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Kitt
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09-05-2000
| Wednesday, January 22, 2025 - 2:37 am 
Lol, that’s one way to do it! 
I took that as a nod to the war dead, who are in unmarked graves on fields of battle. It could be a thing, I didn’t think of that, but not sure why anyone would want to cover up her death, except maybe William, but he was too distraught for it to be him. Or, oh, except a time traveler of course..!
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Wednesday, January 22, 2025 - 8:23 pm
I'm just waiting for one of them to be their own grandparent ;).
I’ll put this in a spoiler because I’m confused by what is shown in the TV show vs. the books though this hasn’t been specifically stated in the books.
There is a lot of speculation that
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But maybe you all knew that. I’m a little out of the loop.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Thursday, January 23, 2025 - 3:17 am
Jimmer, there’s a new spin off of this show (I expect you know) which is about Claire’s parents in WW1. If that’s true in the show, it would definitely make the flashbacks more interesting from the start.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-21-2001
| Sunday, January 26, 2025 - 9:52 pm
The portrait is of Ellen - Brian's wife. I thought it looked like Jane but knowing the books and then the conversation between Brian and Brianna that is happening in 1739, it's Ellen.
Jane is alive some 40 years later (1778 is the Battle of Monmouth) and she died by suicide. Just as presented. The lack of a specific grave was just because she was not allowed to be in a "consecrated" grade as suicide is a mortal sin. She's not a time traveler and it's still pure speculation that she's even related to Claire via Faith.
IMHO - I think Matt B Roberts & Toni Graphia are pulling another one of their "we thought it would be fun"* ideas in order to 1 - create a cliffhanger that even book readers didn't see coming and 2 - create a way to tie the original show in with the new show that is coming - Blood of My Blood - about Jamie's parents and Claire's parents. I'll honestly be really surprised and actually a bit pissed if they create a world where Faith lived. As if it's not bad enough that Jamie and Claire were separated 20 years and Jamie never got to raise ANY of his biological children, having Faith LIVE and be apart from both parents just seems even more cruel.
*These two can be amazing writers together but they sometimes veer out of the books into ridiculousness. Example: MBR's overuse of the black and white reel after Roger was hanged. That entire episode made me nuts. Use it once maybe twice, but it appears EIGHT times in under an hour. SOOOO annoying.
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Kitt
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09-05-2000
| Monday, January 27, 2025 - 3:22 am
It definitely seems like it was meant to be Ellen… but why did they choose to make her look like Jane, during the Jane episodes? Maybe they are just playing with us.
If Faith isn’t the girls’ mother, they will have to find some other reason for the girls (and their mother) knowing the song. So they must have crossed paths at sometime with Claire, or maybe Bree, or Bree’s daughter, or possibly another time traveler…
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Sanfranjoshfan
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09-16-2000
| Monday, January 27, 2025 - 2:07 pm
Could Jane's daughter actually be Faith?
That's not a serious hypothesis, but it does point out, to me at least, that with time travel being a lot more frequent than we suspected, it could be a viable option.
The daughter=Faith notion is a good way for Claire to get back the 20 year experience of raising her and Jamie's daughter that she was deprived of.
Like I said, not a serious option, but that's where my brain went! I'm not going to try and figure this family lineage out anymore...it's too exhausting and there are way too many time loopholes available.
I'll just stick to the "you can't change history" rule. Think about this...what if any changes they've made are actually representing the real history of what happened? Maybe their "changes" are really just a "restoration".
Or more likely, maybe it's not.
It's a complicated character driven show about lovers over time, not a complicated sci-fi puzzle, which is where my head tends to go.
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Thanks for that explanation, Teachmichigan. It all makes logical sense. And my attempt to decipher an unfinished timeline is impossible. I'll just try to remain in the place/time that Jamie and Claire are in. I'm lost on the twists and turns of the journey, but I can accept it's destination, whatever it is. Even if the show ends exactly where it started, it would just mean that J&C took the scenic route through their lives instead of the easier, more boring one. They'll still be together...if the scene of Jamie at the water fountain in Claire's original time is accurate.
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Teachmichigan
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07-21-2001
| Friday, January 31, 2025 - 7:05 pm
SanFran - I agree the time travel can make your head spin, but the one thing that has been true all along is that both time periods are progressing at the same rate, just 202 years apart. With that premise, Frannie is too young to be Faith.
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Sanfranjoshfan
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09-16-2000
| Friday, January 31, 2025 - 9:11 pm
Teachmichigan, I love time travel stories but this show has a bit of wiggle room in their "rules" that I don't want to try and figure it out anymore. I'm fine with just trusting that they're where (and when) they say they are. How they got to a particular time and place doesn't really matter, really. I mean...magic is magic, right?
I guess I'm just more used to a time travel story in a sci-fi context rather than a period love story. I can just enjoy the love story...with some time travel on the side.
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Teachmichigan
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07-21-2001
| Tuesday, February 04, 2025 - 8:11 pm
That's basically how I watch/read it as well. Bit of time travel to get people where they need to be, but the story of Jamie & Claire is the main thing.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Friday, August 08, 2025 - 5:12 pm
The prequel, Blood of my Blood, is immediately intoxicating! Don’t think I’ve been so engrossed in a show premiere for ages.
Anyone else likely to want to chat about it, if so, should we add a new thread?
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-21-2001
| Saturday, August 09, 2025 - 7:52 pm
I watched and will chat, but we can keep it here if you want. Outlander won't be back until BOMB is over, so it shouldn't be too confusing. If more people want to chat, then a new thread is fine as well.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Sunday, August 10, 2025 - 7:21 am
You're the perfect person to ask, actually: was there any hint that Claire's parents were time travellers in the original series?
The other thing that bugged me. Although they didn't explicitly show it, we can deduce Claire's mother went through the stones, and she also lost the gem on the ring. But they didn't show Claire's dad either side of the stone circle really, nor did they show that he had any gem to be taken on the trip. I kept thinking it looks like they're in the same time zone but is this a ruse and we're going to find out they're a few years apart? But from what they've shown they are both in that time.
I am bad at both names and faces, so matching the characters is a bit of a tough one for me. I remembered who Murdaugh was of course, and Dougal, but the rest will take me a while to work out. In the main show, Young Ian's father, the one who recently died, dressed exactly the same as the character Ned in this show. Was Young Ian's father called Ned? I assumed he was Ian (hence why Young Ian had the "Young").
Another question... in the main show, there were two cousins (???) who were really loyal to Jamie. I think they both died in one of the battles. Were they the two boys who were spying on the couple in the bedroom having sex?
Random stuff:
. I don't think I'd seen a jaw quite like Jamie's before so was shocked to see a matching jaw on Brian.
. Claire's mother looked soooo much like her, it really could have been her!
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Yacky
Member
07-06-2005
| Sunday, August 10, 2025 - 2:17 pm
Yes the two spying on the couple in the bedroom having sex are Rupert and Angus.
Claire's mother sounds just like her at times.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, August 11, 2025 - 3:09 am
Thanks, I thought they must be relevant!
She does sound like her! Fantastic casting all round really, even some of the mannerisms matched for both her and for Brian.
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Egbok
Member
07-12-2000
| Wednesday, August 13, 2025 - 4:53 pm
I signed up for Starz and watched the first 2 episodes of BOMB. With the posts you Outlander fans made above, I was enlightened to know who was who in their younger years.
The one point I'd like to make is that Julia (Claire's) mother, is pregnant with Claire's sibling....right?
When Outlander first came out, I didn't subscribe to Starz. I finally was able to watch most of the Outlander series on one of my streaming services, can't recall which one.
I also had read the first seven Outlander novels a few years ago.
I'm happy to back in the thick of things with BOMB.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Thursday, August 14, 2025 - 1:40 am
Yes, Julia is currently pregnant with Claire’s sibling. But Claire doesn’t have a sibling… that she knows of.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-21-2001
| Sunday, August 17, 2025 - 8:55 am
Let's see if I can answer the ones that aren't answered above.
First: Fun trivia fact - The young boys who play Rupert and Angus are actually the SONS of the men who played them (Stephen Walters and Grant O'Rourke).
They have NOT explained how Henry (Claire's dad) time traveled but he did. He's literally a "castle" away! LOL No jewel explanation either.
Ned is Ned Gowan, the old lawyer who goes to the brothel for Claire's wedding gown. Ian is Ian - the man who just died in S7. HIS dad is John Murray who is in BOMB.
The casting is spot on as far as physical looks go, and the young man playing young Colum (of the twisted legs) has Gary Lewis's mannerisms down to a T.
Agree completely that Julia is a dead ringer for Claire! A couple times I looked up expecting to see Caitriona as Hermione sounded JUST like her!
Speculation in the fandom is that the child Julia is carrying might end up being the relative that connects Claire to Fanny - the girl singing in the church in the last ep of S7. Possibly Fanny will be something like a great grand niece.
Finally, yes and no to the hint that Claire's parents could travel in the books. While they're in New Burn in the books, Percy (John's step-brother by marriage and ex-love interest which was all skipped in the show) comes looking for FERGUS - the implication that he is a relative and related to the Comte St Germaine. There is a separate story about the Comte and Raymond traveling, so there is speculation that Claire is somehow related to Fergus and that their bloodline can time travel. It's all been very vague and cryptic in the book, and since Fergus refused to meet with Percy as he has his family and has no interest in finding another from his brothel days, it never really went anywhere. There's a 10th book yet, though, so who knows....
DG has been quite catty about Julia and Henry's story. She's insisted during BOMB promo that "they died" so there was no story to tell. UMMMMM...JAMIE'S parents "died" too, so there is the same lack of story there! She has been driving me nuts any time she opens her mouth- that's nothing new as I unfollowed her a long time ago for her condescension and overall rudeness, but it's ramped up again with the new show's promo.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Sunday, August 17, 2025 - 11:47 am
Thank you! Fun that they used the two sons, and I will have to look out for John Murray.
I also was wondering if Fanny and Jane from Outlander are descendants of Julia (and hence related to Claire that way). If Julia gives birth in 1715, where she is now, and according to wiki Fanny and Jane are born around fifty years later, 1767 and 1762, then likely they would be Claire's sister's grandchildren, if the show wanted to go that way, so yes, grand nieces. Or possibly great grand nieces.
(Although Fanny and Jane's mother was likely born around 1740-1748, and let's not forget Claire and Jamie's daughter Faith was born in 1744, although she supposedly died.)
One thing I have difficulty getting my head around is why the time jump in BOMB is different from the time jump in the original Outlander. Claire jumped back 202 years, but Julia jumps back 209 years. I know they don't have to be the same size jump, but the fact that it's so close but not the same... bugs me. I mean what would have happened if (child) Claire needed in the future to go looking for her parents, would she then jump 209 years, or just the 202? Or if Julia happened to have been carrying Claire at the time she jumped??
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Saturday, August 23, 2025 - 4:21 am
Spoilers for Ep4 (most recent ep):
I think Julia making the laird think it was his baby is a huge mistake! I know it will keep her safe short term, but what if she finds Henry, now she can't go to him, as the laird won't let her go. And if she could persuade the laird she'd lied, and it wasn't his child, then surely she would be badly punished.
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Pschrfhd
Member
05-22-2011
| Sunday, August 24, 2025 - 1:25 pm
My suspicion is that the laird will let her go (or she will get away with Henry), but the laird will keep "his" baby, and that's why Claire never knew she had a sibling.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, August 25, 2025 - 4:13 am
It would be terribly hard though, to leave the baby. Better to leave Henry than that.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Friday, August 29, 2025 - 11:34 am
This episode:  
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-21-2001
| Sunday, September 07, 2025 - 7:56 am
I hear the latest is all kinds of screwed up. If anyone has not watched and wants info, see below (not putting in spoiler blocks as it's already aired).....
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So there are 2 rape scenes with Davina and by the end Henry is so mentally messed up he has sex with one of the brothel ladies.
The birth scene is handmaid's tale weirdness and there are only 30 seconds of Claire's birth flashback to compensate. (literally timed by a fan to see how long it was)
And the baby is a boy but still has no name by the end of the episode.
LOTS of unhappy viewers, so I haven't even bothered to watch it.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Sunday, September 07, 2025 - 10:13 am
It was particularly awful, the birth scene especially (even more so than the rapes imo, they were not too graphic) and then poor Henry.
I hope, given how many women were at the birth and how they are likely to talk, that he might just someday soon bump into someone who speaks about it.
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