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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 12:21 pm 
I agree there is a huge gray area between disgusting behavior and rape. However, over Thanksgiving, as I listened to more then one male relative carry on about the number of women speaking up, it occurred to me that that is why even more women haven't spoken up - because they're conditioned as they grow up to think they should shrug it off. Women are fed up and they are no longer going to shrug it off no matter how light of a gray the action might have been.
I have always loved Piven as an actor, especially his role as Ari on Entourage, so I am saddened to hear of his treatment of women. I was really enjoying this show but am more then okay with it being cancelled. The other actors will hopefully find work after this.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 1:16 pm
Jeremy Piven also took a lie detector test and passed so it all seems strange.
I enjoyed the show. I only hope they give us the killer at the end.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 1:59 pm
Lie detectors are fairly unreliable, but thank you for sharing that. I hadn't heard that before.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 2:18 pm
Probably depends on the question. If you don't think you did anything wrong, you would probably pass a lie detector test.
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 4:03 pm
Most who are accused live in America and I believe they still have the right to due process before being found guilty and punished.
Just because a person claims something happened does not mean it actually did...maybe it did...but to punish someone for the action you need to proof it happen. We should not be convicting and punishing until we have more than just accusations.
If not, this is not the America I want to live in and I strongly believe we will come to regret convicting and punishing without due process. It starts with them....who is next?
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 12:37 am
I don't know. Piven is supposed to be very difficult to work with. Uber diva from the broadway boards. A frequent no show for live performances. very demanding of everyone in a show and not as in demanding they give a good show. Scandal or not, I would think it would be hard to keep a show going with someone so disliked. I am surprised he got the show.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 9:50 am
No one has been convicted. But companies have a right to make business decisions, based on whatever evidence they want to.
There is a difference between *legal* rights (ie, due process, innocent until proven guilty), and business decisions.
So, let's not conflate the two.
FWIW, I do think each case must be looked at carefully and individually. But in most cases, I don't think the women are making shit up.
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 1:07 pm
Women have not been able to come forward for fear of not being believed, losing their jobs, being ridiculed and more. In many cases, the victims of sexual assault have lived their lives in hiding as if they are the perpetrators. I believe the women and I also believe that they have a right to finally speak their truth.
Fine, put the "alleged" sexual abusers through the court system, convict and punish them. But shouldn't we give the women the benefit of believing them rather than convicting and punishing them just when they have finally had the courage to come out of the shadows.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - 5:53 pm
So was that the end, we still don't know who the killer was, and have we heard if the show will continue?
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Spunky
Member
10-07-2001
| Thursday, January 25, 2018 - 1:52 pm
Zippo ! Too bad because I found the show had potential, in this global obsession of communication online (you wouldn't believe what people post about themselves, privacy has no meaning to those million of people who instagram every moment of their life) this coming together to find the culprit while getting some results for the police force was giving a purpose to this global instantaneous communication. Too bad also that the lead actor caused the show to end.
Bad casting can also end a show.
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