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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Saturday, April 22, 2017 - 7:47 pm 
the 2nd hour best ep ever!! I want Kate to win this war!!!!
How sad her backstory is!
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 8:03 pm
I am so glad Zembe is not a bad guy. I just wish Red and Mr. Kaplan could make up and be friends.
Watching the 2nd episode now.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 8:11 pm
My, my, my.....Mr. Kaplan started very young....was Kate her Mom?
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 8:34 pm
Ahhhhh, so that is how she became Mr. Kaplan. This is an excellent episode.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 8:49 pm
I wonder if Katerina is still alive. that is the only way I see Mr Kaplan and Red ever joining forces again
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 8:52 pm
Good grief, that's a lot of bodies.
AND how fabulous were all the songs! I loved how they fit so nicely.
Pamy, I believe you are correct.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 11:30 pm
"I wonder if Katerina is still alive. "
I remember a scene last season (I think, maybe the season before...) of Red visiting a paralyzed woman who seemed to have had a stroke or something and she was in a wheelchair. She was alive but couldn't talk or even move on her own, IIRC. Red sat there and talked to her for awhile about life and places he's been. He seemed to really care for her.
At the time, I think her identity was unexplained...but I do remember that at some point, someone told a man that Red had been visiting a woman in a particular city. I don't know if that was ever explained.
It's all vague to me now but this Mr Kaplan episode reminded me of that scene and now I wonder if he was visiting Katerina.
This show has so many twists and turns that I get really confused and wind up totally lost trying to figure out stuff like....whether <character> is alive or not, or if <different character> was in this scene or that scene, or was this <twist> just a set up, or if that <event> really happened or was it just a conspiracy to misdirect this <different character>....and so on and so on. At one point or another, so many characters have been dead but not really dead or had been known as <this identity> that was really just an alias of <that person> or <that other person> whose existence has been completely disproven but is still alive and well...living under a totally different identity...
I'm drowning in clues and misdirections here! Does anyone else remember that scene with the woman in the wheelchair and, if so, was that woman's identity ever revealed?
(As I was writing this it occurred to me that I may have asked this exact same question before....but if I did, I no longer remember the answer, if one was ever offered.)
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Monday, April 24, 2017 - 10:25 am
LOL, I do remember that scene; and wasn't that the time they regressed to Red being at a house on the beach. I seem to recall that some people came there and he killed them, or the police questioned why he was there and he said he was vacationing and there was a woman there.
I remember at the time it seemed to me like he had rescued her from something and they were hiding out. There were sheets over the furniture and they only used a couple of rooms. I could be making this up in my mind, LOL.
I think she walked into the ocean...it was probably her.
I remember wondering if it was his wife.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, April 24, 2017 - 7:14 pm
I recall it as the beach house ep too
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, April 24, 2017 - 8:41 pm
I decided to do some sleuthing so I checked IMDB.COM and found that the actress who played "Masha's mom" in the most recent episode also played the role of "Katarina Roslova" in the 2016 episode, "Cape May".
Credits for Lotte Verbeek (Masha's mom/Katarina):
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2551311/?ref_=tt_cl_t11
Storyline for Cape May
"Red is despondent over Liz's death that he decides to go to Cape May in New Jersey. He goes to the beach and he sees a woman trying to kill herself. He saves her and breaks into a house to help her. When he asks her why she tried to kill herself, she refuses to say anything until he tells her what's up with him. So he tells her about Liz and what he did."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5182086/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1
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This sounds like the beach house episode, but it also sounds like it took place in the present (last season) so Katarina couldn't have been Liz's mother in that Cape May episode at the beach house.
UNLESS....the beach house episode a flashback episode to when Red first met Katarina! Did the beach house ep actually take place a few years before Kate started working for Masha's mom? Was Masha's mom having sex with Red in the car when Kate walked up the driveway with Masha and saw them? Was Red the American who thought her child was his? If so, that explains the whole mystery of why Red chose Liz when he walked into the FBI to surrender...
Is this all stuff everyone else (except me) already knew?
In any case....I didn't see anything that said Cape Fear ended with Red visiting the invalid woman.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, April 24, 2017 - 8:45 pm
I found a recap of the Cape May episode:
http://tvline.com/2016/04/21/the-blacklist-recap-season-3-episode-19-liz-death-red-reaction/
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Monday, April 24, 2017 - 9:09 pm
I seem to recall the beach house episode was like a flashback dream. So, yes, I think it was Liz's mother. I don't recall how the episode ended however, so have no idea if the mother is still alive.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 2:46 pm
Sorry for the long post but since I brought this up I figured I should at least post the answers I found to my questions! 
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More interweb sleuthing...
Well, the woman in the wheelchair was NOT Katarina after all....her name was Josephine. The actress who played her is Stephanie Szostak and she only played "Josephine" in one episode of Blacklist and as far as I can tell she played no other character...she is not listed as having any other role or alias on The Blacklist according to IMDB.COM:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2741602/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
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Here she is on that particular scene on the show:
Image from this link:
Reddington tells her "It's done, Josephine.
https://imyourplusone.tumblr.com/post/138824667090/josephine-its-done
(It appears that "Josephine" has absolutely nothing to do with Elizabeth Keen's origin story.)
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However there was something else I missed. The grifter that Katarina told Kate to leave Masha with, is the same man who Liz believed to be her real father, Sam, a season or so ago. He was the man that Reddington smothered with a pillow in the hospital bed before Liz could talk to him! I have seen that actor on so many shows that when I saw him on Blacklist in this recent episode it didn't "click" that he'd been on the show before...I did note that they must have cgi-ed his face because it was a LOT smoother than it is in real life! (I always think of him as "Sheriff Valenti" because I first noticed him on the show "Roswell" 1999-2002...and since then he has popped up in show after show after show.)
Anyhow, here's a pic of him in the hospital where Reddington kills him:
ETA: Image is from the link below, same place as the article I quoted.
Here's some of the text about that episode:
"Reddington is talking to Sam about old times and they seem been close at least at some point in their lives; bothers or a friend who was like a brother. Reddington talks about how he finally met Lizzie and how she is stronger than she thinks she is. Reddington talks Sam that he gave Lizzie a gift, by taking her in and treating her like his own. (it is clear that they both know who Lizzie’s birth parents were) Sam admits to Reddington that he’s been giving six weeks to live, but he rather it have been 6 hours, he has no wish to die a slow death. (foreshadowing anyone). Before he dies, Sam wants to tell lizzie the truth, he thinks she deserves it, Reddington says that just can’t happen."
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"While in the car Lizzie gets a call from her dad, no thoroughly worried she calls her dad out about keeping his illness from her. He apologizes and admits that the cancer came back three months ago, and that he didn’t tell her because he was protecting her. Lizzie assures him that everything is going to be fine, and that he will beat it again (I think even she knows this isn’t the case... denial denial) But Sam goes along with the rouse saying of course he will. As they hang up, Reddington assures Sam that he will always be her father, he promises to love and protect Lizzie the same way Sam has. He then grabs a pillow and suffocates Sam with it, and cries as he does."
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LOTS more text about that episode:
http://tv2know.blogspot.com/2013/11/and-sky-came-falling-down-blacklist.html
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...Whew. I need a nap. Sleuthing is hard.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 4:09 pm
LOL, I love your sleuthing!!! Thanks.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 4:27 pm
Good Sluething. Yes, indeed it was her "dad". I recognized him. Had no idea he was a con though! But yes, seems he kept her and raised her.
So, did you figure out anyting more about the beach house ep? I feel like that would be one to seek out. I think it represented the past.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 4:51 pm
Brenda 1966, I did find that recap. I posted the link above but here it is again (below).
It was a flashback that Red had and the woman was Katarina, Masha/Liz's biological mother. That night at the beach house happened in his head (dream or hallucination) when he was grieving aver Liz because he thought Liz had died giving birth. When the flashback was over, he didn't know what happened to Katarina...but a guy that uses a metal detector on that beach sold him a necklace he had found that turned out to be the same one Katarina was wearing when Red met her....so Red (and we) learned that the hallucination was about a real event that had actually happened at some point.
Read the full summary here...it put a lot in perspective for me:
http://tvline.com/2016/04/21/the-blacklist-recap-season-3-episode-19-liz-death-red-reaction/
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Tuesday, April 25, 2017 - 5:46 pm
THANKS! Sorry I didn't click into your link. I guess my memory isn't as bad as I thought. It was a good episode and makes more sense now.
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Happymom
Member
01-20-2003
| Monday, May 01, 2017 - 11:33 am
SFJF, your 4/23 post had me lol! Thanks for sharing your sleuthing.
I love this show. However, I could do without the agent Navabi and Aram storyline which I find annoying. I like as much Red as possible. I'm so glad Mr. Kaplan is back!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, May 01, 2017 - 12:51 pm
Thank you, Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, May 01, 2017 - 6:39 pm
LOL!!
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Tuesday, May 02, 2017 - 7:27 am
I amazed myself that I actually remembered who Sam was on my own
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Abby7
Member
07-17-2002
| Sunday, May 14, 2017 - 4:24 pm
We are now off to watch missed episode.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Sunday, May 14, 2017 - 5:00 pm
I find the Navabi and Aram storyline tedious and annoying as well.
The script writers give Red the best lines. Such clever writing and perfect delivery.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Sunday, May 14, 2017 - 8:20 pm
I loved the twist in the last ep, I didnt see that coming. I also hate what a beyotch they have made Navabi
I was hoping Kate would forgive Red so we can have them working together again
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, May 14, 2017 - 9:27 pm
Ok, who the heck was that who took a shot? I got a little lost on the players and it doesn't make any sense that a sniper with Red in his sights would miss.
Was that one of Red's guys? Setting it up so Red can kill Kate? I really want Kate to work with him too.
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