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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 9:10 am 
Thanks for clarifying that, it was hard to tell from the tape.
However, the point was that so many had died, and there was Howard, going on about how the media didn't vet this guy that made fun of him, and "how cool" the gunmen's outfits were.
He is just mean-spirited and heartless, in all the tape I listened to the day after the shooting.
Then his defense is, he didn't know how bad it was? How can he on one hand, rail at the media for not vetting this source carefully, when he was making cruel jokes about a horrific tragedy without "vetting" it???
Sorry, the man has made a fortune being vile. None of his redeeming qualities, if he does indeed have some, makes up for that.
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:10 am
...the man has made a fortune being vile. None of his redeeming qualities, if he does indeed have some, makes up for that.
ITA Kar. That pretty much sums it all up!
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:32 am
As long as he's not on a show with children, judging children, he can be as heartless and digusting as he wants to be. He's just not PG or possibly even PG 14.
I find it fascinating that reactionary groups are not freaking out about this, while they are unfairly hating on, and boycotting other programs like All American Muslim (which is a benign program and completely inoffensive to date.) But a family show hiring a chauvenistic, porn-purveying X-rated judge flies under their radar?
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 10:47 am
I meant to say: I find it fascinating that reactionary groups PURPORTING FAMILY VALUES... etc etc.
(Stepping down off of my soapbox now.  )
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 11:10 am
There is a large parenting organization that watchdogs TV programming that is protesting. But you are right, other than that, nary a word.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 12:11 pm
Heh. Roger Ebert just tweeted, "America's Got Talent "has brilliantly done the only thing that could possibly get me to watch the show.
I still won't watch, but Mr Stern's presence inches me, however minutely, in the show's direction.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 2:26 pm
Well, Howard is going on record that he is going to "harangue" the parents of any children that go on the show, because he doesn't think kids should be on the show at all. He also says he won't be shy about criticizing the kids.
Nice guy. Family man.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 2:34 pm
That's because he is afraid that the kids may be put under too much scrutiny and pressure to perform.
Yeah that's so awful of him to care about a child's emotional growth.
ETA: He actually compared it John Lennon and talked about how for years Lennon played in clubs and in Germany honing his craft and that if he was pressured to succeed as a child he may not have grown into the artist he was. Growth takes time and that was his point.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 2:47 pm
How many child actors actually ended up being completely screwed up? We've seen it time and time again.
ETA: I know, I know he is still an evil vile pig
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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:03 pm
Why is he judging on a show that supports, in fact encourages, child acts if he feels that strongly about it?
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:04 pm
(Reuters) - Controversial radio host Howard Stern, who was named on Thursday as a new judge on family TV show "America's Got Talent", said he would give honest opinions and warned "feelings are going to be hurt."
That doesn't sound like he cares about their *emotions* to me.
<snip>
here's more of his philosophy on how to treat those kiddos:
He told his radio listeners on Thursday that he would pull no punches with the young contestants, and their mothers.
"I am going to tell you your kiddie has no talent...
That was a nice spin you put on it. But he doesn't sound like he cares about their emotional growth. Instead he plans to tell them they suck, if he thinks they do.
Nice guy.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/15/us-howardstern-gottalent-idUSTRE7BE18Y20111215
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:13 pm
Kitt, that's an excellent point. One that the producers evidently don't give a fiddler's-fart about. 
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:24 pm
I don't like shows that involve judging younger kids. I find that it can be exploitive and I hate seeing them hurt.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:25 pm
OMG he was joking! He was being grandiose and was laughing as he said it. "Under my administration..."
I will find the audio and not an article taking quotes out of context. Howard is a big softy and her would never berate a child.
I listened to the entire show yesterday and he clearly stated why he didn't think kids should be put under this kind of scrutiny.
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Pippin04
Member
10-26-2007
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:34 pm
I thought his point was he was going to tell the parents off not the kids.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0gQmij6dXI
Karuuna Here he is the video of Howard on the Piers Morgan show last night explaining the quote that upset you so much.
It kind gets cut off in the middle of the explanation before the John Lennon part. I will try to find the whole video.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:39 pm
I thought his point was he was going to tell the parents off not the kids.
He is not telling any parent off. Again he was being grandiose.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:43 pm
I don't care if he was joking; in fact people who cloak cruelty in "just joking" (and this is probably why I rarely enjoy adult stand up comedy) are worse in my book because then that give the message that the target of their "comedy" should just suck it up in the tradition of "can't take a Joke?" Goes along with "be a MAN" or "don't be a cry-baby" or any number of other edicts that people should allow themselves or others to be bullied or mocked.
I see in today's paper that it is official, so officially, I'm not watching this show. At least this year I found that when I missed one of the shows it really was okay with me, even though I did enjoy some of the acts.
Does this make me "reactionary"?
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 3:47 pm
Yes
Life is too short not find humor in the human condition.
He was not being cruel. He was not talking to a child. He was talking to his adult audience who pay to listen to him.
ETA: I just don't think you can take a 2 sentence quote out of a 5 hour show and be able to know exactly what was meant. This is EXACTLY why Shirley Sherrod was fired.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 4:05 pm
I saw the clip of him talking to Piers Morgan, it absolutely did NOT sound like joking to me.
YMMV
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Cablejockey
Member
12-27-2001
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 4:24 pm
Wow! Howard is not even on the show yet and he has people talking! It should be interesting, if nothing else.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 4:49 pm
LOL.. well okay, then! Without having met me, I now am labelled for disagreeing and not giving Howard Stern a pass!
I find plenty of humor in many situations, trust me.
I'm not taking a recent quote as the only way to come to a conclusion as to whether I think Howard Stern is "funny", or joking or a person I want to see on my tv or hear at all. I came to that conclusion over a number of years and the answer has long been.. "no, thanks." And the recent reports and quotes don't tempt me to change my mind.
Actually, this just frees up space on my DVR during that season and if there is sone fantastic act I hear about I can check it out on youtube, I'm sure.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 5:49 pm
Frogi, unfortunately, the clip you posted did not change anything I said. Piers asked him if he was going to "harangue" the parents, and Howard quite seriously answered him affirmatively.
I don't know where any joking comes in, but this clip doesn't refute anything I've posted about how he intends to treat the children.
The clip you posted was less than 2 minutes, so by your standard, it can't be used to judge (or refute) anyway.
But he was dead serious in all of it.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 5:58 pm
Life is too short not find humor in the human condition.
Honestly, I think there are some things where humor is disrespectful, and downright cruel. Joking about "how cool" the outfits of teenage killers were would be that kind of thing.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 16, 2011 - 7:04 pm
I now am labelled for disagreeing and not giving Howard Stern a pass!
I didn't try label you anything. You asked if I thought you were reactionary pertaining to your statement. I looked up the word reactionary and the defininition I saw was opposing political or social change. You had wrote in fact people who cloak cruelty in "just joking" (and this is probably why I rarely enjoy adult stand up comedy) I took that to mean you think Howard was purposely trying to be a cruel person, or that you oppose humor that is too left of center. I know that he is not cruel or trying to cause others pain, so by definition I saw your viewpoint as reactionary. Honestly I was not trying to label you, maybe I was answering a rhetorical question.
The clip you posted was less than 2 minutes, so by your standard, it can't be used to judge (or refute) anyway.
I know I said I couldn't find the full clip.
It doesn't matter. I am not trying to change minds. I just know as listener what type of person he is and it's not the cruel, evil, angry, hateful, pervert, or whatever adjective people perceive him to be.
There are celebs I hate too and no matter what anyone would try to say to me I still wouldn't like them. I get that.
Maybe the show will be great and maybe it will fail miserably. We just have to wait and see.
FWIW Also I hate the pervy stuff or when he would have the farting guy, etc., I would simply change the channel. Thankfully that is stuff mostly gone from the show.
Ok done with this thread until the show is actually on. 
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