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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, February 02, 2022 - 10:56 pm 
As a Jewish woman who likes Ms. Goldberg, although I was deeply offended by her initial stance, I feel her 2 week suspension is unjustified. Because she was genuinely contrite and not only admitted to her initial ignorance, her contrition was evident by her interviewing a Jewish author and expert on the subject, to not only educate herself, but her audience. That is commendable, IMHO.
I am a firm believer in letting the punishment fit the crime. There was no 'crime' as her comments didn't come from a place of hate.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 1:26 am
I can't help but think that they took off the air the only black woman on the show for 1/2 of Black History month. Coincidence? Where did they come up with 2 weeks in the first place?
The other thing is, is that it seems that Whoopi meant no harm and was willing to learn from her misunderstanding, but ABC has effectively shut down any discussion of this and swept it under the rug. When you see on the news on tv that 60% of kids today basically don't know anything about the holocaust, and now books are being banned about it, maybe there should be more discussion about it.
Joy Reid had a good segment about it last night. The expert she had on said there's a European conception of race and an American conception.
Here's a link to the segment.
Link
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 3:33 am
Long read about race/ethnicity/whiteness/
https://jwa.org/teach/livingthelegacy/american-jews-race-identity-and-civil-rights-movement
One point from karuuna’s post, scientists have labeled DNA as Jewish….so whatever that means for ethnicity you can’t change your dna. Not the same as Judaism being the religion. I am overwhelmingly Jew per DNA, but don’t fall into the religious definition of Jew per never practicing it nor having a mother who was Jewish. Those in America will think virtually all Jews are also white because we did not get the full history of the world growing up, but per the article, there are Jews of every skin color and country of origin throughout time.
The whole definition of race is a societal issue but that’s a discussion for another day. I do think Grooch made the most important point regarding the micro inequity action of ABC to suspend Whoopie for half of black history month - which in itself is fraught of discriminatory practices (shortest month of year).
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 7:10 am
Good article, Legalboxer. It explains what the expert said in the Joy Reid clip that Whoopi was looking at race in the American context of the word compared to the European context of the word. I have to admit that I have always thought of race in the American context also. I guess I must have thought the Holocaust was more about religion because Hitler didn't like Catholics either, and I don't remember my history teachers talking about race.
The article you posted seems to have started in the middle. Do you have a link to the first half of it? I'd like to read it. I have more questions than answers this morning in my brain. 
And I still think 2 weeks off makes no sense. It leads me to think that something more was going on behind the scenes between the producer and Whoopi and her punishment was for that. It's the only thing that makes sense to me and that's another whole can of worms. And not a good one.
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 7:33 am
So many comments on this thread have been so very thoughtful and forgiving. I agree 100% with the following:
1- I am a firm believer in letting the punishment fit the crime. There was no 'crime' as her comments didn't come from a place of hate.
2- I can't help but think that they took off the air the only black woman on the show for 1/2 of Black History month.
3- I think some grace should have been allowed, esp since she was so contrite.
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 8:11 am
This whole thing is an example of what is wrong with society.
On a show called “The View”, someone expressed their view of the world in an honest and apparently non-malicious way. Other people explained to them how they should see it differently and the person agreed and learned from the experience.
Folks, that is how life should work. Ideally, this is an opportunity for more learning and ongoing discussion about racism and given that it is Black History month, it is even more important that a black woman be a part of that discussion.
Instead, in a typical and dare I say American manner, she is being punished for this. What a wrong way to deal with something like this. There’s a reason that America has the most incarcerated people in the world and that a vastly disproportionate number are black.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 8:48 am
Because Roseanne was fired for less...
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 8:56 am
Maybe someone can remind me. I’m trying to remember what Roseanne did and if and how she apologized and learned from it?
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Scooterrific
Member
07-07-2005
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 9:03 am
Roseanne learned nothing from what she did, and continued to blame others, like Michelle Obama for getting her fired!
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 9:06 am
Jimmer, all your answers are in the first 20 seconds of this video.
Her racist tweet that started it was about one of Obama's senior advisors, Valerie Jarrett. Basically it said if the Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes had a baby, it would be Valerie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2kLHKTn0Nw
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 9:14 am
I forgot about that. I thought it was because of the picture she took of her dressed up as Hitler and taking the Jewish gingerbread men out if the oven.
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 9:31 am
It seems pretty evident that the Whoopi and Roseanne incidents are not comparable.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-07-2005
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 9:34 am
I concur, Jimmer.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 11:03 am
Legal... well said, and thank you!
I likely have more sensitivity/knowledge of the issue since my parents grew up in Europe during WWII. My father, tall, blond and blue-eyed was immediately pulled into the Hitler youth because he fit the Aryan *race* profile... the desirable look. Eventually almost all children in Germany were indoctrinated/became members, but he was held out as special, just because of his appearance.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 12:35 pm
Karuuna, my friend's father was also from Germany, and he also was in the Hitler Youth as a boy. He would never talk about it, which is too bad because it would have been interesting to hear his experiences.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Thursday, February 03, 2022 - 11:22 pm
Thank you, LB and Kar.
Kar, I suspect somewhere I may have your family story stored, and it was simply fascinating, about your parents and how they coped, and the toll it took on them and on their children. This could be a time to re-tell it. Or not. I am crying just thinking about it. And it could have been 15-20 years since you told it, and obviously your perspectives have evolved.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, February 04, 2022 - 9:23 am
Thanks Juju, I may do that, I'm sure I have it saved somewhere. Right now I'm busy writing a bio for a news article on me and FOSTERING!
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Sincebb1
Member
08-22-2005
| Friday, February 04, 2022 - 11:33 am
I also had my own reaction to the whole situation...because my family was born and raised in Italy. My mother and her family made it thru WWII. They experienced both Mussolini and Hitler.
My family along with others, were part of group that helped hide anyone being persecuted and arranged their "escape". I have many amazing stories from their experiences. My mom and my grandmother were quite the spitfires and very courageous.
I agree, it is very important to be aware of history. Not just your own.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Friday, February 04, 2022 - 12:11 pm
Totally concur. My sister bought me the book "Exodus" by Leon Uris (first published in 1958), when I was in my early 20s. It's a fascinating history of the Jewish people from early times all the way up through WWII and the subsequent birth of the Nation of Israel. I've never forgotten it. The Jewish people have been hated, persecuted and blamed for everything bad that has happened for centuries. I highly recommend it, if you want to learn about the Jews. Great read.
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Zeyna
Member
07-15-2001
| Saturday, February 05, 2022 - 2:50 pm
Great book!
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Lurkin
Member
02-15-2002
| Sunday, February 06, 2022 - 9:36 pm
This show should be called One View.
I am non-affiliated. I want to hear both sides. They are just I am right you are wrong. So closed minded.
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Lakecat
Member
10-01-2006
| Sunday, February 13, 2022 - 9:40 am
Sounds familiar,the word “ view” doesn’t always mean everyone’s view.
Liz Wheeler is in talks to replace Megan. I’ve never seen her host.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Sunday, February 13, 2022 - 12:46 pm
A tweet from Liz Wheeler today ~
"Hilary Clinton actually paid a law firm to infiltrate Trump's computer servers at his private apartment to plant 'evidence' he was connected to Russia."
I would put this story right up there with the one about Hillary running a pedophile ring out of the basement of a pizza parlor. The View has no interest in anyone who pushes this kind of Q-anon poop. But it's good for a chuckle.
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Sunday, February 13, 2022 - 12:57 pm
Pretty sure that the View would not be interested in an ONN Qanon conspiracist.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Sunday, February 13, 2022 - 1:26 pm
I just googled her because I never heard of her. She's unvaccinated. That alone will keep her from being hired.
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