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Heckagirl631
Member
09-08-2010
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 1:28 pm 
Okay, here it is. Maybe there will be more comments now.
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Denecee
Member
09-05-2002
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 1:33 pm
thanks, this is where I will post on the show as I am getting confused at where the show is compared to the books
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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 7:48 pm
I look forward to discussions in this thread since I cannot watch the TV series....I don't subscribe to Starz.
I've read all the books a few years back.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 7:53 pm
I'm loving the adaptation. They keep so many lines word for word, but they've realistically transferred Jamie's healing time to France since the Abbey was in Scotland in the show. They did NOT gloss over his rape, and when Jamie and Claire did get through that struggle, the "fortress" speech that sparked their re-connection was almost identical to Jamie's explanation in the book about the effects of BJR's treatment.
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Heckagirl631
Member
09-08-2010
| Sunday, May 22, 2016 - 6:15 pm
I started this thread so we can discuss spoilers from the books, even though I dont remember them all. What a sick ••••••• black jack is.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 6:54 pm
In the book he was even worse....Fergus was branded and THAT was what Claire finally saw. I am all at once loving and dreading their return to Scotland. I can hardly wait for Dougal, et. al. to be in the show again, but the ending of Dragonfly absolutely rips my heart apart! I'm listening to Voyager at the moment, and if they don't make it into S3, there is something seriously wrong!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, May 30, 2016 - 5:04 pm
I don't remember Fergus being branded. He loses his hand to the British soldiers later on. It was Jamie who was branded and Claire cut it off (the brand).
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Monday, May 30, 2016 - 5:38 pm
Fergus is branded in the books as well. That is what causes him to cry out and for Jamie to go feral. Claire finds out when she is at Louise's summer house as she's dealing with depression from losing the baby and Jamie is off on the ship pretending to have smallpox (having NOT seen Claire at all). It's in chapter 28 "The Coming of the Light."
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, May 30, 2016 - 9:56 pm
I thought the fact that nasty Jack Black Randall was raping Fergus was what made him cry out and Jamie to go feral.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, May 31, 2016 - 3:29 pm
In the show, yes. In the book it's more vague. First - I can't imagine BJR branding before raping him and Fergus NOT crying out. However, Fergus does say BJR was big, so he asked if he could take him in his mouth, but BJR said no. Claire tells him to stop; she doesn't need to hear everything, but Fergus has to let it go.
The next actual quote from Fergus is when he tells Claire, “But it’s all my fault, Madame!” he burst out, pulling away. His lip was trembling, and tears welled in his eyes. “I should have kept quiet; I shouldn’t have cried out! But I couldn’t help it, and milord heard me, and…and he burst in…and…oh, Madame, I shouldn’t have, but I was so glad to see him, and I ran to him, and he put me behind him and hit the Englishman in the face."
So....given the brand and the fact that Fergus had been with men before, it was the brand that caused him to cry out. However, the book doesn't actually say exactly what was going when he cried out.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Tuesday, May 31, 2016 - 5:10 pm
I still don't remember anything about Fergus getting branded.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Wednesday, June 01, 2016 - 2:17 pm
Here's the part about the branding from earlier in the same chapter:
"About the size of a halfpenny piece, it was the dark, purplish-red color of a freshly healed burn. Disbelievingly, I touched it, making Fergus start in alarm.
The edges of the mark were incised; whatever had made it had sunk into the flesh. I grabbed the boy by the arm to stop him running away, and bent to examine the mark more closely. At a distance of six inches, the shape of the mark was clear; it was an oval, carrying within it smudged shapes that must have been letters...
I had seen something like it only once before, and that wound freshly inflicted, while this had had some time to heal. But the mark of a brand is unmistakable.
Seeing that I meant it, he quit struggling. He licked his lips, hesitating, but his shoulders slumped, and I knew I had him now.
“It was…an Englishman, milady. With a ring.”
“When?”
“A long time ago, Madame! In May.”
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Heckagirl631
Member
09-08-2010
| Wednesday, June 01, 2016 - 4:54 pm
I read Outlander has been renewed for 2 more seasons on Starz.
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Wednesday, June 01, 2016 - 7:27 pm
Hooray for the renewal! Had not heard, but it deserves it for so many reasons! I am listening to Outlander soundtrack music right now. Did not know until this past week that the title theme is an adaptation of an actual song of the period about the Culloden failed uprising and James escape.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Thursday, June 02, 2016 - 3:35 pm
Bear's music is fantastic, isn't it, Beth? He actually did his PhD on Jacobite music, so this show is perfect for him. He's also done DaVinci's Demons, Black Sails, The Walking Dead, Battlestar Gallactica, Cloverfield Lane, the Boy, and much more. His piano music when Claire returns after Faith's death just completely broke me down. It's the first time in this show he's used just piano, and it literally broke my heart.
Oh - and YAY!!!!!! for two more seasons!!!!
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Sunday, June 05, 2016 - 6:09 pm
And now we've met Lord John (aka "William Grey"-- I wonder why they changed his name?). Culloden is coming and I'm so sad. 
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Sunday, June 05, 2016 - 7:42 pm
His full name is Lord John William Grey in the books. 
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, June 06, 2016 - 10:33 am
All I could remember is that his stepson was named William, so I was confused. I love Lord John!
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Tuesday, June 07, 2016 - 4:30 pm
Me, too! Have you read the side LJG books? There are 3 full-length books (normal length - not Diana length! LOL), and a bunch of short stories/novellas. I thought of the 3 books, each one just got better. More mystery based than anything, but still lots of history in each one.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Wednesday, June 08, 2016 - 4:40 pm
I read the Lord John books. Loved them.
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Beth4freedom
Member
10-24-2003
| Sunday, June 19, 2016 - 7:38 pm
This week's Outlander episode (6/18, I think it was called Act of Vengeance) was written by the book author...how neat! Found this out in a "behind the scenes" brief featurette that played after the episode on demand. They gave it to Diana partly because the episode sticks so closely to the book. She laughed when she commented on one change: they said no church would allow horses inside, so the horses could not hide in the church with the people! Major change was that evidently in the book Rupert dies, but in the tv show he had to live because "a beloved character had already died earlier" (in the battle scene the previous week, sad I can't remember his name...for anyone who knows, was that "beloved character" also in the book and if so what happened to him?)
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Monday, June 20, 2016 - 9:46 am
It was Angus. They killed Angus in the Battle of Prestonpans. Internal bleeding from the concussion of the cannon explosion when he was trying to save his buddy. Sad.
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Heckagirl631
Member
09-08-2010
| Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 12:29 pm
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/22/outlander-brianna-roger-sophie-skelton-richard-rankin
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Mameblanche
Member
08-24-2002
| Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 2:42 pm
It says we got a preview of those characters earlier in the season but I have no recollection of this.
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Heckagirl631
Member
09-08-2010
| Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 8:05 pm
Did you read the comments fussing about the actors' looks?
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