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Jasper
Moderator
09-14-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 9:35 am 
He and Kitt are definitely right. They talked about Luis and Tom growing up together in a prior ep
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 11:43 am
I was annoyed at Madison, reacting so quickly to warn off Celia for putting ideas in Nick's head. She was right to worry (clearly) but being so aggressive about it won't change what Celia does (and might also encourage her) she'd be better off talking to Nick.
Nick's story is such an interesting one, and I hope they do it justice. You do get people who turn to drugs because they just can't cope with what they feel is the pain of personal interactions, and that seems to be where they've put Nick, as someone who is kind and gentle and just opted out. Then he finds this world without rules and with animalistic rather than socialised interactions, and feels he belongs with these spaced out (when they can't smell living people) wanderers. Particularly when real life gets even more painful with all the killing he's simply going to opt back into the closest he has to his drugged up life, and that might well be to just become a mindless walker.
Strand and Thomas... I'm still not sure Strand loved Thomas the way most people would think of love, as permanent and a thing of itself. I think he was attracted to him, then obligated to him, and then committed to him through his obligation, but I still think he's one of those people who loves the one he's with, rather than someone like Thomas, who clearly simply fell in love with his business partner. There's something about the portrayal of the Strand character - and the actor alluded to this on TD the other week - where he commits to the things that he sees as giving him the best future options. Like a business arrangement which he has made work in as many ways as he can, rather than a full on romantic commitment to his partner. He loved him, but that is over, he will fulfill any outstanding obligations he has to him but will then focus on finding the next most advantageous situation for himself.
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Terolyn
Member
05-06-2004
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 1:27 pm
I saw something on Talking dead that Madison or the actress who plays her, wants to be the Nick Grimes of this story. Unfortunately, I don't see that to be the case, she annoys me and I don't like seeing her on the screen. As for the dad, he seems to weak to be anything. Personally, I am hoping Nick steps up and becomes the Rick Grimes.
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 6:33 pm
"Strand and Thomas... I'm still not sure Strand loved Thomas the way most people would think of love, as permanent and a thing of itself."
Not to get too philosophical here, but I don't understand the "way most people would think of love" part of that statement. I think everybody has their own idea of what love is. Personally, I don't believe love is always permanent. Individuals can fall in love with someone but they can also fall out of love, too. That love is still "love" whether they were together for 2 months or 20 years.
Also, Strand and Tom had no business partnership anymore. That was over with the rest of civilization...when the dead rose up. He was there grieving over Tom because he loved him deeply, not because he was losing a useful business partner.
Seeing Strand with Tom as he was dying made their relationship seem a lot more real and deep and personal than what we see between the other relationship in this show. Maddy and Travis just bicker and argue all the time. Their relationship comes across as more of a "survival team" than a loving emotional bond. In fact they seem to have a relationship more like the Strand and Nick duo....a team that is good at helping one another survive in a zombie apocalypse.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 6:41 pm
yes, you all are right. Sorry Lost for the confusion.
I forget these people dont know to cut off a limb to save yourself after a bite. So bummed Mr Abigal didnt survive
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 6:44 pm
Sanfran, yes that was no con. I feel bad for even thinking it, esp watching Strand care for Tom during his final hours. It was heartbreaking.
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 6:52 pm
I agree with almost all of what Sanfran said except that I don't see any love chemistry between Madison and Travis.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 6:59 pm
Yes, I was aware when I said most people think of it as permanent that it was a bit of an overstatement, but I couldn't find the right way of expressing it. I think most people go into love (not necessarily dating) hoping it will be permanent, even if past experiences leads them to have many nagging doubts that it will all go wrong at some point, it's inevitable.
With Strand I didn't get that at all, I got that he found a connection that benefited him in multiple ways, and thought this would be good for him for now, not forever. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs but it just seems like that's how he's programmed to be, he will make good of any situation and not think to the future. Not a con on Thomas because he was obligated to him, had a fulfilling relationship with him and yes loved him, but always, in his mind, a temporary arrangement, even if it lasted years.
Yes, definitely a better love connection that Madison and Travis for sure!
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Sanfranjoshfan
Member
09-17-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 9:51 pm
"I agree with almost all of what Sanfran said except that I don't see any love chemistry between Madison and Travis."
"Except"? I don't see any chemistry with those two either! 
"With Strand I didn't get that at all, I got that he found a connection that benefited him in multiple ways, and thought this would be good for him for now, not forever."
That's probably exactly how it started out...but just because Strand had never known love before meeting Tom, it doesn't mean that he couldn't suddenly find himself truly in love with Tom. (I've probably seen a thousand heterosexual rom-com movies with this exact theme!)
Strand's back story reminded me a lot of guys I've known that came out later in life. They had dated women (or even been married) but still had never experienced a relationship that was fulfilling in the way those around them seemed to be. They just didn't feel that spark, that "certain something"...until they fell in love with another man. Suddenly they realized why their past relationships had always felt perfunctory, or even empty. They had been trying to find that romantic spark with partners of the "wrong" gender (for them) but didn't realize it because they were in denial. To me, that really seemed to fit Strand to a "T". He had never actually been in love until he met Tom. He had learned to base his relationships on mutual obligation because he didn't know anything else. I don't think he was able to learn how to base his relationships on love because he'd never actually been in love. He had to either find an alternate basis to connect with people ("obligation" in his case) or live without relationships at all.
They went out of their way to make Strand a mysterious character....but even a fast talking salesman (or con man) can still suddenly and unexpectedly fall in love....and that was great surprise for a character like Strand! It happens in the movies all the time....only it's usually with straight couples.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, May 16, 2016 - 10:37 pm
can't argue with that
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Tuesday, May 17, 2016 - 7:46 pm
Me neither. Strand seemed to be devoted to Tomas and Tomas toward Strand.
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Vickie
Member
07-16-2004
| Wednesday, May 18, 2016 - 6:29 am
Strand was stunned by what he saw happen and there was great feelings from the character. Thank goodness some sense came to him!
Chris has completely lost it and we'll see where that leads. Travis needs to see his son has gone over the edge. I think Chris would of hurt Madison if he could of gone through with it. That makes the second time he has threatened her.
Madison is such a bossy woman. For some reason she thinks she runs the group. Strand saved her son and she still acts poorly to him. I hope they work on her some more. I don't have to much to say on the rest they seem to be coming along. I like the group and hope this grows as "The walking dead" did.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Wednesday, May 18, 2016 - 8:32 am
I believe Chris went into the room to talk to Alicia to tell her again he froze. He heard the gunshot and went to get the knife for protection at same time they woke up. Chris is getting wrongly convicted by Maddie. I cant stand her
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Thursday, May 19, 2016 - 8:07 pm
Met Yvette Nicole Brown at survivor finale last night. cute as a button! I wanted to tell her lets leave this finale and go outside and go over your notes on WD! LOL
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Rehtse
Member
08-17-2005
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 9:33 am
Just when I accept that I must watch this show with a deep sense of suspended reality, the show jumps over a bigger shark than the previous week. What a bunch of hogwash. Notwithstanding, I will watch when it resumes in August.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 10:21 am
I guess I just go with the flow, nothing stood out to me as that crazy (given we're watching a tv show about the zombie apocalypse).
What the show does do though is miss bits, or maybe it's just me. They're in one situation, next time we see them it seems like they had to cut a chunk and we missed why they were there. The whole blockade thing last week seemed like that, and then this week we didn't get any pay off about Celia being eaten/becoming a walker (I noticed she was in the In Memoriam on TD, so she is gone), we didn't see whether Daniel escaped (although there might be a cliffhanger reason for that), and we didn't see how Strand got back in, although we can guess he'd hidden Thomas' truck outside and used the beeper thing to get back through the gates. I wonder if they thought they'd have the usual 16 shows and had written or filmed for that, then they were told they had to cut it down to 15.
I thought they brought up a lot of good stories. We've been saying Madison and Travis weren't a good couple, and it seems that was played out, even if Chris forced the issue. And it was kind of inevitable that Nick would be more at home with the walkers than the living. I just hope he realises that the blood dries and he might not be so protected.
Hard decision now for Madison, if the yacht is still there it might (or might not, hard to say) be safer on there for Alicia (her top responsibility) but at the same time it would probably take her away from Nick forever. I'm guessing just for story reasons the yacht is now unusable.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 6:50 pm
Last week I thought Strand shot Thomas in the head so he wouldnt turn. This week we see he is a walker. Why didnt Strand just wait for him to die? Was he showing too much discomfort? But why not shoot him in the head to keep him from turning? Even Celia made it seem like she was pissed that Strand shot him so he wouldnt turn..yet there he is a zombie.
Anyone else confused by this?
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 8:31 pm
Thomas wasn't a walker that I saw. Pretty sure Strand did shoot him in the head just to stop that happening.
You're not thinking of Luis?
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 8:46 pm
Strand's partner (i forget names) They did show him as a walker, that was the walker that Nick brought out at the end, right?
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 8:49 pm
I just read the zombie Nick brought was Luis, Celia's real son. ok now more confused...I thouht they killed Luis on the boat..how did he get to the compound?
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 9:11 pm
They left dead-but-not-turned-yet Luis on the yacht, Nick knew where he was (or where he approximately was, he could have wandered off a bit) and because Nick can do the walker blood camouflage thing, he went to get him for Celia.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Monday, May 23, 2016 - 9:16 pm
Strand buried Thomas. They showed everyone throwing stuff into the grave when they were saying goodbye. After that ceremony was when Celia told Strand he had to leave.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 8:16 am
Hmmmmm...
http://www.tmz.com/2016/05/24/frank-dillane-arrested-fear-the-walking-dead/
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 8:22 am
Yeah, I wonder what that was about. I presume as he's a Brit he's here under a visa and you have to be very careful, arrests can disqualify some, not sure about the visa you'd get as an actor though.
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 10:19 am
Two recent articles..
http://tvline.com/2016/05/23/fear-the-walking-dead-season-2-daniel-alive-ruben-blades/#tvline-comments-717055
(this part doesn't say it's a spoiler but is, imo, about the fate/potential fate of Daniel - read at your own risk!)
http://tvline.com/2016/05/24/fear-the-walking-dead-season-2-spoilers-chris-alicia-jack/
(it says spoiler in the title but isn't really, as far as I can see)
Most interesting thing for me is it sounds like they intended it to be that when Chris picks up the knife in Alicia's room he picks it up because he realises they had it for protection from him, which I guess is quite a kick in the pants, but then the gun goes off and holding it just makes it worse. I didn't get that from the scene, but it does give a reason for him picking it up, which I couldn't see before.
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