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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Thursday, September 29, 2016 - 6:41 pm 
interesting!
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Colordeagua
Member
10-24-2003
| Thursday, September 29, 2016 - 10:53 pm
Bad enough that it's Avery and his new fiancee, but Dr. Phil?! I now avoid him like the plague.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, November 17, 2016 - 6:12 pm
The nephew was supposed to be released by this Friday, but the federal court of appeals has blocked his release. He won't be going home.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/us/making-murderer-court-blocks-brendan-dassey-release/index.html
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Friday, December 08, 2017 - 5:20 pm
Well, it looks like the nephew will be spending his life in prison after all.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/court-making-a-murderer-defendant-brendan-dasseys-confession-stands/
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Looky_lou
Member
05-07-2011
| Monday, December 11, 2017 - 11:57 am
That may not be the case. There is a lot going on behind the scenes that may very well lead to Steven's exoneration. I would think it would be hard to keep Brendan in jail if Steven has been exonerated.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Monday, December 11, 2017 - 9:32 pm
Really?! Is there a source, some articles or something we can read? I think Brendan needs a new trial.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-24-2003
| Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 10:20 am
Brendan Link
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 10:34 am
Steven's new attorneys filed for a new trial in June 2017. That motion was denied in October 2017. That's the last update.
http://fox6now.com/2017/10/03/judge-denies-steven-averys-motions-for-new-trial-in-death-of-teresa-halbach/
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 10:08 am
Thanks! I'm interested in seeing season 2. I'm not convinced of Steven's innocence, but I am convinced Brendan was manipulated and needs a new trial.
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Looky_lou
Member
05-07-2011
| Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 2:51 pm
His attorney filed a Notice of Appeal on Nov. 17, 2017.
http://www.nbc15.com/content/news/Judge-denies-Avery-motion-Zellner-says-case-now-in-appeals-court-460574003.html
She has done DNA testing on the items she has been given access to, with interesting results, as well as uncovered several Brady Violations (information kept from the defense that would have helped the defendant)including a voicemail left on the Zipperer's phone, findings on a computer that had deeply disturbing pictures on it including some of the victim, and a page from the victim's day planner that is known to have been in her car when she disappeared, turning up in the hands of the ex-boyfriend. There is also proof that more than one person lied under oath. And that's not even all of it. There is a video of an interview with Teresa's roommate done when she was just considered missing, that seems to show the key lanyard on the kitchen counter days before it was found in Steven's house.
Sorry, I don't mean to ramble, I just feel very passionately that our courts should be held to a very high standard when people's lives are at stake. We are seeing people walk out of prison all the time these days who have been wrongfully convicted.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 4:51 pm
Wow -- I can't wait to see Season 2 for sure!
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 5:54 pm
Yes, she appealed the motion that was already denied by the judge who didn't find any of that stuff you listed to be convincing.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for Steven Avery. I am bothered if someone else committed the murder and they are still free.
But I read all that evidence in the link you posted and wasn't particularly convinced. Several of the things you mentioned weren't in that article, so not sure how credible they are.
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Looky_lou
Member
05-07-2011
| Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 10:43 am
The Brady violations are in the 11/17/17 filing. There are also Brady violations listed in the 10/23/17 filing. It also provides evidence that the ex-boyfriend and Bobby Dassey both lied under oath.
http://www.kathleentzellner.com/steven-avery/
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55203379e4b08b1328203a7d/t/5a0f0111ec212d62c92f3d96/1510932761749/2017.11.17+-+Second+Amended+Supplement+to+Previously+filed+motion+for+reconsideration.pdf
The forensic results of the computer found in Bobby Dassey's bedroom are here, page 9.
Personally I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other of Steven, the person. They have tried to make him out to be some sort of violent sex offender who kills small animals, which just doesn't seem to be the case. He was exonerated of the rape, his cousin retracted her story once she was put under oath that when he tried to run her off the road he exposed himself in a lewd manner. The angry violent letters between Steven and his wife when he was in prison were written by both of them. Not sure I wouldn't be angry too if I found myself in prison for a crime I didn't commit, and receiving angry letters from my wife over being left with a bunch of kids to raise, and telling him she was leaving him, which she did, and married Brendan Dassey's father. The cat in the fire turned out to be a bonfire with a bunch of drunk people that got out of hand. When someone at the bonfire turned him in the next day to police, he admitted it and serve time in jail. He certainly isn't a saint, but I don't see anything that screams cold blooded murderer.
One final note. The story has always been that Steven lured her out to his home by using his sister's phone so she wouldn't know she was going to his house. She had been there on about 6 other occasions, including a visit only 2 weeks earlier. Steven and his sister lived on AVERY Road, which is the road that leads to Avery Salvage. The only people that live on Avery Road, are Avery's.
As for where his appeal stands, it is still moving forward, a notice has been filed with the appellate court which will review the files and make a ruling. This has not happened yet. Brenden's appeal is farther ahead of Steven's as he has had attorneys working on his appeal for a longer period of time.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 10:55 am
Teresa Halbach's recorded message CLEARLY says she doesn't have the address and needs to know where to go for the appointment.
She obviously didn't know it was Steven.
"“Hello this is Teresa with Auto Trader magazine, um the photographer, and just giving you a call to let you know that I can come out there today, um, in the afternoon. It will probably be around 2 o’clock or even a little later. Um, if you can please give me a call back and let me know if it will work for you because I don’t have your address or anything so I can’t stop by without getting a call back from you. And my cell phone is 737-4731. Again it’s Teresa 920-737-4731. Thank you.”"
http://www.twincities.com/2007/02/21/steven-avery-trial-jurors-hear-halbachs-voice-on-phone-message/
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Looky_lou
Member
05-07-2011
| Thursday, December 14, 2017 - 1:59 pm
Can't explain it. It is a fact that she had been there many times, including once to photograph pictures for Barb. The appointments were set up by calling Autotrader. They would fax her the appointments every morning, giving her names, addresses and phone numbers. We know that she had trouble finding the Zipperer's house because JoEllen said as much in her police interview. We know that Teresa left a voicemail on the Zipperers phone, that the police never disclosed to Steven's attorneys and it has since "disappeared". Hum..wonder what she might have said..
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/
This link is to every single document available to the public including trial transcripts, police interviews, photos, evidence etc.
I think we will just have to agree to disagree on all of this. I have followed the case for the last two years and have been appalled by what I have found out. The documentary was just the tip of the iceberg. Despite how it may appear, I am a very strong supporter of law enforcement, having several family members who are police detectives. My family has also been touched by murder, seeing a family member killed and seeing the killer walk free when the jury didn't get it right isn't easy. That's why I am so adamant about juries getting it right, it swings both ways. And I freely admit that I despise this person, having worked with victims of domestic violence.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-da-ken-kratzs-law-license-suspended-in-sexting-scandal/
I am going to leave it at that. I have spent too much time already with this and I have to prepare for a houseful of people coming for the holidays. Enjoy the holidays.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 9:56 am
And here we go again....
Season 2 starts Oct 19.
eta: This is almost 3 years since the first documentary was released, Dec 2015.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 11:05 am
wasnt it decided in the last year they werent letting either one of them out?
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 11:07 am
Yes, the conviction was upheld. For both.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Thursday, October 04, 2018 - 2:02 pm
then Im not watching. I was outraged at the first one and knowing they still didnt get a new trial makes me furious
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Looky_lou
Member
05-07-2011
| Monday, October 15, 2018 - 1:09 pm
You should watch it. It's not anywhere near over. Steven's conviction has been bouncing through different courts and is still very much ongoing. There has been some very significant new evidence found as well as new, more sophisticated DNA tests that have been done. There are also sworn affidavits, prison recorded phone calls, and computer histories that are all pointing at someone else.
I'll just leave it at that. I don't want to get on my soapbox. If you believe he's innocent, you won't be disappointed, and if you think he is guilty you probably aren't going to watch it anyway.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Monday, October 15, 2018 - 6:41 pm
ahhh ty Looky, hoping he gets a new trial!
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 8:20 pm
I think Steven is likely guilty but I'm going to watch it for sure. I think Brendan was railroaded. Can't wait to see part 2 of this.
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Colordeagua
Member
10-24-2003
| Friday, October 19, 2018 - 10:58 pm
I will watch as local attorney is featured.  . Kathleen Zellner's office is only four miles from me.
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Punkin
Member
08-13-2009
| Monday, October 22, 2018 - 3:07 pm
Well, I've watched the new 10 episodes and I'm still firmly of the mind that Steven is guilty as hell! Poor Brendon was dragged into something he barely understood and never would have initiated on his own. I believe Brendon has convinced himself he is innocent. Let him go. But Steven should never get out.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Wednesday, October 31, 2018 - 10:40 am
I finished watching season 2.
I'm not sure what I think of Avery's guilt or innocence, but it seems like there isn't enough evidence to convict and it seems like some of the evidence is conflicting. Things that stuck out to me from this season: the daytimer page, the lack of bone on the bullet and all of the bullet holes in the garage, taking Teresa's toothbrushes out to the Avery property?! The lack of dirt on the car hood is very puzzling - the car was 5 or 6 years old. The spotting of the RAV and that information never being on a police report -- also the detective he told -- that is ALL so suspicious. I really have to wonder if it's a case of the cops "knowing" who did it and doctoring evidence to help prove it because they knew they were lacking enough.
And I find myself so angry when I watch the Dassey interview and how he's being fed the information they want him to parrot back. And then when he guesses wrong and tells them something that doesn't fit their narrative they steer him in another direction. I think his IQ is low enough that if he really was involved in some way, he would have talked about it in prison and I don't think that has happened. I don't think he was involved, but I think his brother might have been!
I find these kind of stories fascinating. I recently listened to podcast episode "The Small Town Murders" at True Crime Garage podcasts. At the risk of spoiling -- they got the wrong guy! Scary stuff.
I eagerly await Making a Murderer season 3 -- which I hope they are filming! I find Avery's new lawyer to be wicked smart. She also reminds me Crulla DeVille from Disney.  I like her.
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Lurkin
Member
02-15-2002
| Thursday, November 01, 2018 - 8:22 pm
Haven’t watched new season yet. Not sure if I will. Being a mother of boys the Brendan stuff upset me terribly. I think it was handled horribly and do not understand why he was denied release/new trial.
I think Avery is guilty too. But what bothered me the most was the lack of blood . And seems like he would have crushed the car or hid in a better way
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Thursday, November 01, 2018 - 10:04 pm
Yes. The lack of blood in the garage or bedroom. Sorry these are not meticulously clean people. Blood leaves traces. Why no trace? It makes no sense.
And yes. As the parent of a teen I’ve told mine that if you are ever questioned by police you simply say “ I want a lawyer” and stop talking.
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