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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 6:35 pm 
http://www.aoltv.com/2011/12/08/michelle-duggar-miscarriage/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing5%7Cdl10%7Csec1_lnk3%7C118723
I guess the only up side is that Josie will get more time being the baby and I think she needs just that.
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Goddessatlaw
Member
07-19-2002
| Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 7:00 pm
I agree, Seamonkey. I do think her parents should have considered that themselves, though.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 10:26 pm
I am sorry for their loss, but sadly, not surprised.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, December 08, 2011 - 11:11 pm
I agree, Gal..
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 2:02 am
It appears from what they are saying happened, she didn't really miscarry. The baby died in utero. They usually have to induce labor and the mom has to deliver the baby. The same thing happened to my sis-in-law, but they saw the baby right after and held him. It's heart-breaking. For my sis-in-law, they called it "unexplained fetal death" since there was nothing they could find that would explain why the baby died. They did have a full-term healthy baby a couple of years later. I'm a bit confused why they have to wait to find out if it was a boy or girl.
I'm sorry they had to go through that and I hope they decide to spend more time with the children they already have, especially Josie and Jordan. I think that is all I will say at this time. 
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 4:34 am
It's possible they couldn't see the gender through ultrasound. They are going to name the baby and give him or her a funeral. I'm a bit torn about how I feel about that, too.
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Sheilaree
Member
07-19-2002
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 4:48 am
Me to I am sorry but not surprised
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 5:33 am
How do I say this somewhat delicately? My point is with a fetus/baby of that size, you see a miniature baby. The staff could have just taken it off if they didn't want to see it, but the staff should have been able to see whether it was a boy or girl by sight, and could tell them. My sis-in-law wanted to see her baby and they wrapped him in a little towel & brought him to her and my brother so they could hold him for a while. It's supposed to help the grieving process. I'm assuming the situation there since they didn't know anything was wrong until the doc couldn't find the heartbeat, so she didn't miscarry at home. I would have assumed the doctor would have taken care of her right then. FWIW
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 5:47 am
The story leaves us not knowing whether she miscarried later after their MD appointment, or weather because there was no heartbeat the fetus was removed. They didn't say that there was no heartbeat OR fetus. I initially thought she miscarried at home and wondered what it was they were holding a funeral for. A few more questions than answers
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Pippin04
Member
10-26-2007
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 6:22 am
That is very sad.
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Hukdonreality
Member
09-29-2003
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 6:48 am
um... let's try "whether" instead of "weather" Huk you dummy
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Conistired
Member
05-08-2011
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 7:00 am
They say they are leaving the number of children to God and this is His way of saying 19 is enough.
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Frogichik
Member
06-11-2002
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 8:18 am
I think the fetus was 20 weeks. I went to an open casket funeral for a 23 week old fetus. Nothing prepares you for that.
Whether it's #1 or #20 it's still sad 
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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 9:13 am
I know that people get very judgmental about the Duggars having so many kids, but this was nothing unusual back in the day before there was birth control. My grandmother was part of a family of 8 where there were also several miscarriages. She said that there were *25* surviving children in one of her friend's families. My grandmother's family did not have any twins, so between the surviving children and the miscarriages, my great grandmother was in Duggar territory with regard to number of pregnancies, with far less in prenatal care.
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Rissa
Member
03-19-2006
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 11:16 am
When Michelle had her first miscarriage (about 20 years ago?) didn't she say that was God's way of telling them to let him decide how many children they will have? But this miscarriage is his way of saying they should stop letting him decide?
I feel bad for them, twenty weeks is well along both physically and emotionally. I feel bad for the children too, especially being in the media, they will have to grieve in a much more exposed way then an average family.
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 1:26 pm
FROM MSNBC.COM:
On her doctor's advice, Michelle said she plans to let the miscarriage happen naturally. Other options would be taking drugs to bring on contractions or having surgery. Michelle told People because of the cut to her uterus during the emergency C-section for her last child, her doctor said letting her body miscarry naturally would be the safest way to go.
."I am resting and I have felt good physically, which is strange," Michelle told People magazine. She said as recently as Nov. 25 her daughter Jill, 20, who is studying to be a midwife, listened to the baby's heartbeat.
On Dec. 3, she said, "I felt a little uncomfortable but I thought it was just something I'd eaten. It could have been the beginning of something going wrong."
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 3:31 pm
It really is a heartbreak to have to deliver a baby like this and of course those really close to term must go through all the labor, knowing the child isn't living.. gut-wrenching, for sure. I'm sure this is one point in time where they'd rather not be under contract and could have been more private about the pregnancy and the sad end to this little one. Too bad this becomes an internet link.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 5:14 pm
Could someone with medical knowledge enlighten me about what happens to the fetus once it dies in the womb? Does the fact that it is still in utero keep it from beginning the biological deterioration which follows death? If the deterioration does begin to occur, how is that not toxic to the mother?
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 5:49 pm
Tntitanfan...it can be very difficult to answer your question because it can vary. A lot of it can depend on why the baby died, and a lot of times there is no answer to that question, even after the baby is delivered. I would normally expect the mother to go into labor within 72 hours at this gestational age, but it also could be sooner or later than that . The mother should be strictly monitored during this time to make sure that there is no sign of infection or leakage of amniotic fluid, and no hemorrhaging and particularly in Michelle's case, no preeclampsia symptoms. You would expect to see some discoloration in the baby, along with some edema, but the amniotic fluid will keep the deterioration from happening.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 7:37 pm
I hope she is staying in very close contact with her doctor, being monitored. Of course the reason she gave for not being induced make sense in terms of her fairly recent C Section, but they certainly don't want to jeapardize Michelle's life or health at this point.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 7:45 pm
very sad indeed - going for that 19th or 20th week visit to find out the gender is so exciting - so to get that news would be heartbreaking to say the least.... the family should not be judged at all...
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Friday, December 09, 2011 - 8:01 pm
My dad's first wife had a baby die in the last trimester. They made her carry the baby to the end. (normal delivery time) This was in 1959 or so.
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 12:57 am
I had questioned my OB why they let the woman continue to carry the baby when it had died. He explained that they would not want to do a C-section for a dead baby and even if they did induce labor, there was no guarantee she would go into labor just because she was pregnant. That's a misconception many have. I just thought it had to be horrible to continue to carry the child when you new it was no longer alive. I'm sure there is protocol for what should follow if this method is not successful. Sheeeesh - i hate just talking about it.
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Tntitanfan
Member
08-03-2001
| Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 6:05 am
Kelldogg - Thank you for your clear and complete explanation! I love the spirit of helpfulness that lives at TVCH!!
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 7:29 am
I second Tnt's post.
Michelle is in my prayers for this to be quickly over for her. Then they can get on with their grieving. May God bless the whole family during this sad time.
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