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Misspoufy
Member
09-30-2004
| Monday, October 20, 2014 - 10:12 am 
Puzzled....wasn't you who said NO preacher would ever be forced to marry a gay couple?? http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/19/idaho-city-to-christian-pastors-preform-same-sex-weddings-or-face-jail/
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Ophiliasgrandma
Member
09-04-2001
| Monday, October 20, 2014 - 11:14 am
I heard about the above on the radio this morning.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Monday, October 20, 2014 - 11:26 am
the city may have told the preachers that, but if they try to enforce it, they will be shut down in a heartbeat. just to give an easy example: the Catholic church will not marry a couple if both partners aren't Catholic: there is nothing the state can do because the church can set its own rules. similarly, the Catholic church won't marry someone who's been divorced (unless he or she have had the marriage annulled by the Church); there is nothing the state can do because the church can set its own rules. other churches stipulate that couples take marriage classes in order to get married; my best friend was raised Orthodox (Jewish) and no Orthodox rabbi would marry her because her husband was a gentile, so she had to find a reform rabbi who would do the ceremony.
simple as that.
who will have to perform them? civil authorities like justices of the peace.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Monday, October 20, 2014 - 12:40 pm
The Hitching Post is a licensed business, not a tax-exempt church. Licensed businesses are forbidden from discriminating by long-standing public accommodation laws that predate the advent of same-sex marriage. Before same-sex marriage was legalized in Idaho, the owners of the Hitching Post declared that they would close before serving gay customers. Only when the Alliance Defending Freedom, a national Christian advocacy group with an annual budget of over $100M, offered to defend them did the Hitching Post owners suddenly change their minds. But the ADF, who has lost 22 consecutive cases in the federal courts, knows that theirs is a doomed cause as the US Supreme Court in June already ruled on this issue when it rejected the appeal of a New Mexico wedding photographers.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 8:10 am
I watch because I find human behaviour fascinating. The Duggars are particularly baffling to me. All that chastity, yet they allow filming of a birth on a toilet, for instance. I don't understand how it's o.k. to limit your children's horizons.
Lilfair is right. The Hitching post is not a church.
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Misspoufy
Member
09-30-2004
| Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 2:06 pm
Puzzled you said, "A priest/minister/pastor/rabbi/imam/whoever can refuse to marry any couple for all kinds of reasons. They've always had that right, so nothing's really changed."
They are pastors, ordained ministers. Whether or not their business is for-profit. I'm just pointing out that what you said has already been proved false and is just the first step in forcing anyone to perform gay marriages. That's all.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 3:57 pm
Outside a church, synagogue, or mosque, priests, rabbis, and.imams have to abide by the same.laws regarding public accommodations as anyone.else. if they perform marriages in a church h, synagogue, or mosque, they have all the protections afforded to every other cleric or religious organization.
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Texannie
Member
07-15-2001
| Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 5:43 pm
thanks, puzzled.
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 8:02 pm
Churches and other organizations have free exercise rights, but for-profit corporations do not. We all learned this in 8 th grade.
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Redpen
Member
07-24-2003
| Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 7:51 am
Why are Duggar girls not allowed to wear pants or blue jeans? Loose pants can be considered modest clothing.
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Reader234
Member
08-13-2000
| Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 9:07 am
Redpen, they get that asked and the way they answer on the tv shows I've seen is that the girls "prefer" dresses, they just feel better in dresses... they do wear pants under dresses if it warrants it (for some of their adventures)
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 10:22 am
Josh's wife always wears dresses too. Amy, the Duggar cousin doesn't. Seems like the females in the Bates family always wear dresses too. They all grow their hair long as well.
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Redpen
Member
07-24-2003
| Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 10:39 am
Guess I just prefer the Brown family's type of modesty. Just seems more practical for doing chores,etc.
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Texannie
Member
07-15-2001
| Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 11:11 am
i read they do it to dress modestly and feminine. saw a really cute picture of Jana and Derrick snowboarding and she was in snow board pants.
Cousin Amy doesn't follow all the way of life choices the Duggars have made
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 5:02 pm
I think I remember the show where Jana & one of the Duggar bros went snow skiing w/Josh, Anna & kids. Jana & Anna both wore snow pants during that show. Anna actually was shown on skis with a skirt on in some of it. The little girls are always dressed so cute & always have their hair fixed. They wear a lot of leggings under their dresses & I see many young girls their age that dress this way. My maternal grandmother was in her late 50s when I was born & I never saw her in anything but dresses. They were not stylish either, but practical shirt waist dresses w/full skirt bottoms that came right below her knee. That was just her style I guess. She always kept her hair chin length dyed dark brown & wavey.
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 7:42 pm
You're just misinformed, Misspoufy. Being ordained does not give you the right to perform legally valid marriages. The ordained minister has to have a license from his/her church. JPs are not ordained, but they can perform marriages as long as their licenses are valid. The Hitching Post is not a church, but a business. Churches/Synagogues/Mosques/Temples can refuse to marry people at will.
If they want to refuse to marry gays, or anyone else, they can stop being a business, become nonprofit and a church.
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Misspoufy
Member
09-30-2004
| Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 7:16 am
You missed the forest for the trees, Puzzled. I was pointing out that you said NO PASTOR, etc., would be forced. These ARE pastors, ordained and licensed and they're going to be forced to perform gay marriages. While I realize their business is a for-profit business I was pointing out the error in what you said. I'm not misinformed, I'm simply standing on what I originally said that the day is looming on the horizon when all churches and places of worship will be forced to perform gay marriages or face lawsuits for discrimination. As the states fall one by one for standing against gay marriage on the basis of belief in God's Word we move ever closer to the day when the doors of our churches will be forced to close because of our beliefs or our churches be forced to perform gay marriages on demand. You can say no, no, no, will never happen all you want but that day IS coming.
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Hskrfan
Member
06-30-2011
| Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 2:20 pm
Again Misspoufy you are making a connection that isn't there. . It is a FOR PROFIT business not a church therefore they are not allowed to discriminate.
The day is not looming where any church will be forced to marry people they don't want to.
If you continue to make the statement that churches will be forced to marry gays please search google and try and find any successful lawsuit where any church was successfully sued to marry ANYONE that did not want to.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 2:29 pm
I always thought that churches/ministers could refuse to marry any couple who they feel is unsuitable (straight or gay).
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Hskrfan
Member
06-30-2011
| Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 2:37 pm
Ministers at a church can refuse to marry for their specific religious reasons
Ministers at a For Profit business cannot refuse to marry individuals based on their religious reasons
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Lilfair
Member
07-09-2003
| Friday, October 24, 2014 - 7:43 pm
They are not pastors, since they don't have a church. Sigh.😁
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Texannie
Member
07-15-2001
| Friday, October 24, 2014 - 9:07 pm
They are ordareained pastors. That is not for debate. The issue is their tax status. They are not tax exempt so therefore they fall under the guidelines of the state and pay taxes. B Because of that they are under the laws of the state. If they were in a tax exempt non profit (different from not for profit) they wouldn't. Be under state rule and gave to follow rules of state
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Texannie
Member
07-15-2001
| Friday, October 24, 2014 - 9:09 pm
Sorry for weird punctuation ...typing on kindle ....hope u can read my post
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Cricket
Member
08-05-2002
| Monday, October 27, 2014 - 7:29 pm
Why has this thread that I used to enjoy reading become a political football.
Isn't the wedding this week? I saw a clip over the weekend and it looks like there may be many attendants. Don't watch the show all the time, but I'm looking forward to the wedding!
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Texannie
Member
07-15-2001
| Monday, October 27, 2014 - 8:21 pm
i think the wedding is this week. i am so silly about how much i am looking forward to it! LOL
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