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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 8:02 am 
I don't think any of us are holding this against him. I agree that it could be devastating for him. I feel very bad for him. I think we are all in agreement about that point.
I just question where he (or the kids he was involved with) learned to do something so racist as actually making and wearing a KKK hood.
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 8:32 am
The amount of what I’d describe as casual racism in parts of America is astonishing (though I’m less astonished by the minute).
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 9:21 am
I agree with Stategist and Jimmer. I dont think anyone is blaming Caleb (at least on this forum) and this can have huge psychological impact on him now...
BUT let's not just push this aside of 12 year olds not knowing about racism or doing things behind parents' backs. Sure some might not understand the significance of a KKK hood... but I was fully aware of racism and the KKK from a least age 5, my son has been talking about racism (and how bad it is) since he was in daycare...
i like Jimmer's reference to "casual racism"... most racism is just that - subtle, casual, microaggressions that can be intentional or unintentional....
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 10:06 am
Casual and systemic racism happens in Canada too. What some people call "benign" is terribly detrimental to those of us who are recipients of it.
Throughout grade school, I was called a racist name I won't repeat. One day, a bunch of kids plastered racist graffiti on my childhood home. Many of my neighbors children banded together and came to my home with buckets of soap and water to scrub off the paint. Clearly, children can be taught to be empathetic, anti-racist, and kind.
Being racist is learned from generation to generation and person to person. I am incredible thankful for my neighbors and people like Legalboxer who have learned better (and taught their children better). Many of you posting have likely done the same, so I'm not trying to disparage anyone with this comment.
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 10:28 am
TOP FOUR (They are all really good)
My guess...
#1 Willie Spence, 21
#2 Casey Bishop, 16
#3 Chayce Beckham, 24
#4 Grace Kinstler, 20
What's yours?
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Egbok
Member
07-13-2000
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 10:38 am
The TOP 4, I think they are all talented above and beyond but someone has to win.
My guess . . .
1. Casey Bishop, 16
2. Willie Spence, 21
3. Chayce Beckham, 24
4. Grace Kinstler, 20
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 11:05 am
I feel bad for Caleb, but I understand why they let him go. It's not really the image AI wants to promote. I agree sometimes little boys participate in things they don't really understand. My younger brother told me that when he was in grade school, he thought Nazis were "cool." He just thought they were some kind of "bad guy" and loved to draw swastikas and Nazi symbolism all over his school binder. It wasn't until he got into middle school that he learned what the Nazis really stood for.
And casual racism still exists in America. I grew up in California, but my parents were both from Arkansas. I remember going back for a visit and my cousins, who were just a couple of years younger than me (I was 17 at the time), told me they were glad they'd moved to their new house, cause if they hadn't moved, they would have had to go to a "n**** school." What?! I was shocked, but didn't say anything I was just so floored. I would now! But didn't have the confidence to speak up at that age.
I'm ashamed to say I grew up hearing my dad use that word occasionally. It was unfortunately part of the culture he grew up in. Happy to say that later on, as he became acquainted with people of color both as co-workers and members of his church, he became more accepting of all people.
We all need to teach our children to love, rather than hate.
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Lakecat
Member
10-01-2006
| Thursday, May 13, 2021 - 5:57 pm
I’m betting Caleb didn’t even know what that white hood represented, only that it was scary. Cancel culture has gotten out of hand and will start to lose its meaning.
Will any of the other singers that were let go take his place?l
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2021 - 2:08 am
I need to point out I said he said itwas NOT a kkk hood but from some horror movie.
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Friday, May 14, 2021 - 4:27 am
Sorry, I misunderstood you Sadiesmom.
I looked up the horror movie, "The Strangers: Prey at Night" and I saw no KKK mask. Although his mother said they were copying them, it was an entirely different mask. No matter. I'm just glad that Caleb now recognizes that what he and his friend did was wrong and he has apologized. I do hope he has a good life.
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Friday, May 14, 2021 - 7:44 am
That could be an incredibly costly mistake for a twelve year old kid to make.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Monday, May 17, 2021 - 8:06 am
man - last night was super hard - all four stepped it up. Casey is just fun to watch her wanting to be a rock star, Grace nailed the Kelley Clarkson song that was Kelley's finale on AI, Willie, well, he is Willie, and Chayce just is the professional already.
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Legalboxer
Member
11-17-2003
| Monday, May 17, 2021 - 8:18 am
wow - i did not see that outcome coming..
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Sadiesmom
Member
03-13-2002
| Monday, May 17, 2021 - 9:14 am
The problem is all shows are so long now while the weeks are so short, I don't care about any of them. I don't see them learn and grow. Voting before they perform annoys me. I tend to flip to other shows because of the long talking parts or other performers and forget to turn back.
It us the short attention span and so much I am not interested in this show no longer works for me.
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Snoopsmom
Member
02-18-2003
| Monday, May 17, 2021 - 9:28 am
I was happy with the outcome. Casey was my least favorite of the final 4.
Hoping the final 2 will be Chayce and Grace. Willie is immensely talented, but sounds the same to me on every song.
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Monday, May 17, 2021 - 10:13 am
I'm okay with the outcome. All four were great.
So I'm good with whatever happens next:
Grace (because she has amazing range and an inspiring message for young girls)
Willie (because I get emotional every darn time I hear him sing)
Chayce (because he is an incredible singer songwriter)
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 11:50 am
We were very disappointed about Casey. She was our favorite. Grace has a beautiful voice, but it takes more than a beautiful voice to have a career. They are all very professional and will probably all have careers.
Good for Chayse for having the #1 song on iTunes! That's a pretty big deal. I hope he's making some money off of it and it's not all going into production's pocket.
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 12:04 pm
Number one on iTunes is temporarily impressive and I do hope for him. But do you all think this is going anywhere? At this point, unless there is an astonishingly amazing person that comes along, I can't see anyone having any significant success from these shows. Which is a shame because the old AI actually gave the winner (or finalists) a fan base to build on and a real chance at major success.
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Naja
Member
06-28-2003
| Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 12:24 pm
I voted for Chayce last show. He's DH's favorite and I like him as well. I think he has a shot at making some hit music. But like I say every year from the start.... I don't vote on their potential. I vote on how much they have entertained me on the show. I can only hope it turns into hit records.
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 12:42 pm
I'm kind of torn on this myself. On the one hand there is a show like "The Voice". When it first came along it was impressively different. Big production values and extremely vocal, famous, talented, entertaining judges who frequently participated in the entertainment. It was flashy with the chair turning and it was fun!
On the other hand we had the original version of AI. A small and simple production, almost like seeing an unknown singer playing in a coffee shop or a small club. Tough judges, at least one of whom was more than willing to be very critical and not just a cheerleader. Sure it wasn't splashy but we got to see what the performers could do pretty much on their own, week after week and we got to see them grow as performers. That was fun too.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-07-2005
| Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 12:59 pm
I was disappointed about Casey, as well. She was my second favorite after Chayse.
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Strategist
Member
07-01-2014
| Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 6:22 pm
I think that Chayce will have an incredible career as a singer-songwriter. The potential for income and prestige within the industry is huge.
Grace will likely have more singing gigs, but I can't see her becoming a superstar. I hope I'm wrong.
I think that Willie will cut a record and a lot of people will buy it. I would!
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Sunday, May 23, 2021 - 5:34 pm
So, it feels like the judges song choices were geared to a Willie Grace top 2.
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Heckagirl631
Member
09-08-2010
| Sunday, May 23, 2021 - 5:46 pm
Finale night and I don't care. Years ago, I would've been so thrilled and excited. It was a different time.
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Snoopsmom
Member
02-18-2003
| Sunday, May 23, 2021 - 6:02 pm
Boy, do I feel old. Grace singing Without You and Katy talking about growing up hearing Celine sing it and that being what pushed her into singing.
I don't even remember Celine singing that song and was recalling the original by Nilsson back in the 70s.
I didn't think Grace sounded as good as the judges did on her 2nd song.
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