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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Monday, June 12, 2017 - 8:56 pm 
And if she is the one who approached him, would he know she was beyond consent?
If the producers have them the "role" of booking up on the show and they accepted the role, it gets sticky.
Mostly I fault producers. I would like to see This wake up production on any number of reality shows that tend to push alcohol and reward those who do hook up on camera.
They need to realize that a long detailed contract doesn't, or shouldn't, absolve production from any consequences.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Tuesday, June 13, 2017 - 3:16 am
This is why I absolutely love UnReal.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Tuesday, June 13, 2017 - 12:01 pm
I think we're entering CYA mode here- now there are rumors the producer who filed the complaint wasn't there when the incident happened, never saw any video of the incident, and got the information about the incident secondhand...
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 1:15 pm
Corrine has released a statement:
http://ew.com/tv/2017/06/14/corinne-olympios-bachelor-paradise-statement/
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 1:38 pm
It's official: no BIP this summer. I was hoping they'd be able to resume filming. We'll see what affect (if any) this incident has on production of the Bach franchise as a whole. Maybe they'll be inclined to back off the alcohol a bit.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 3:41 pm
I'm super disappointed in so many ways. I wanted to see Carly's wedding. This is my summer guilty pleasure. This was...  I'm hoping ABC can reflect on their role in this.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 5:27 pm
I see Corrine's lawyers getting rich while spinning what happened in the pool.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 5:30 pm
Yep, her laywers are going to cash in and what becomes of her?
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 5:37 pm
If the producers were, by their own rules, required to stop the behavior, then both people have a lawsuit.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 5:42 pm
Babyjax- it's probably easier in the normal series because there's only one person of one sex there and he or she is part of just about everything filmed so things can be controlled a lot more. BIP (and earlier, Bachelor Pad) has pretty much even men/women, and not all of them are the focus all the time.
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Babyjaxmom
Member
10-20-2002
| Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - 10:08 pm
No worries, Brenda! The article that I read said that ABC was still committed to filming Carly's wedding. We'll still see it in some form or other (don't think they could make it a stand-alone special).
I hope this was a big wakeup call to the producers that you can't put people in this situation and let them drink unlimited amounts of alcohol without some kind of supervision. Corinne is saying she doesn't even remember much of what happened that day (probably DeMario doesn't either). They're lucky they've never had anyone drown in the pool after all the alcohol.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 6:59 am
So I was just catching up on some articles on RS's site and something caught my attention. He said that Corinne's publicist has now "fired her" and that several of the contestants have now "unfollowed" Corinne on social media (and social media and followers are everything with this franchise).
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 7:00 am
Who was the guy that got thrown out of BiP.
He was so drunk he collapsed on the beach and spent the night there.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 7:18 am
Lexie- that sounds so petty if that's true about the contestants (because it basically implies they're unfollowing her out of spite because she "wrecked everything for everyone else"- she's making a serious claim here)
I read that a 2nd producer has filed a complaint as well...
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 7:32 am
Let's keep in mind that millions of Americans drink and meet members of the opposite sex every night of the week, all without chaperones and adult supervision.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 8:09 am
Agreed Wilson. What makes it even more shitty is that these girls have now unfollowed Corinne "because she wrecked everything" when it turns out that Corinne and five of the other girls that went out there had boyfriends back home. But she ruined their "brand" because they will not be getting their camera time.
But I do wonder why her publicist fired her. That's odd.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 8:42 am
Jimmer, the issue here is that they had signed an agreement that was not enforced. It's a contractual matter as well as one of possible sexual abuse.
I don't know why this should be minimized because other people are out there without that protection?
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 9:32 am
Can you tell me more about the signed agreement that some are saying wasn't enforced? I haven't seen it.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 9:41 am
Well, of course it's not available.. but perhaps the words of a veteran producer will help:
Unequivocally, it is your responsibility as a producer to step in when a cast member is intoxicated beyond the ability to make good and safe choices. We are, in a sense, creating an environment in a house reality show and when you create an environment like that, you have a responsibility to those within it to protect their safety.
and
That, to me, is the smoking gun as to why a franchise worth hundreds of millions of dollars was shut down. There is videotaped evidence of the entire transgression, and they have the ability to go back and watch everything that happened and everything that led up to what happened. If it was totally fine, why would they have shut down the set?
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bachelor-in-paradise-scandal-reality-shows-producer-1202464687/
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 9:52 am
It's odd that the producer making the complaint didn't step in.
The problem is that drunken behavior is rather subjective. I recall many drunken encounters on various reality shows over the years. As long as the participants appear willing, I'm not sure how the producers can decide when they need to step in.
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Lexie_girl
Member
07-30-2004
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 9:52 am
From Kar's article:
"I would describe the paperwork that you have to sign on a show like this, or any reality show where you have to cohabit with people and date them, the release that you need to sign — to say the word “comprehensive” would be an understatement. We’re talking about a document that is thick and weighty, that releases the production company and the network from almost every conceivable possibility. It is encompassing. I can’t even think of enough words to describe how in-depth that release is."
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Many years ago I worked with a girl that applied for Big Brother and she made it very far in the audition process. She actually made it out to CA for the final auditions. This co-worker told me that the paperwork/contracts she signed were about three inches thick.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 10:38 am
As long as the participants appear willing, I'm not sure how the producers can decide when they need to step in.
They step in which abusive behavior occurs. That could be sex without consent, violence, etc. I don't think it's that difficult.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 10:40 am
Lexi, I think there are a lot of disclaimers, and I'm sure the show will try to argue that angle.
But courts have always noted that you can't sign away everything, no matter what you sign. And that includes your right to safety and suing for negligent behavior on the part of the company.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 10:55 am
But we only have Corinne, of the "Platinum Vagine" (her description), that she was blacked out when she suggested to DeMario to get in the pool, then reported was able to straddle his face with said body part..
And I would guess the anger might be at her, who was able to see on film, on tv, what she looked like sloppy drunk.. And maybe modify her behavior?
Ah, but indeed she was enabled, encouraged and rewarded by producers to continue said cringeworthy behavior on a second show.
So, anger at them.
But I am guessing they have anger that they lost airtime, and now a season, while Corinne lawyers up and claims to be innocent.
You can bet that if future episodes of Rachel's Bachelorette season included her best friends, Corinne will be edited out.
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Jimmer
Moderator
08-30-2000
| Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 11:00 am
They step in which abusive behavior occurs. That could be sex without consent, violence, etc. I don't think it's that difficult.
I agree that's obvious. What about when both participants appear willing at the time? Then at a later time one says they weren't aware of what they were doing. That's not as simple.
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