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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Sunday, October 29, 2023 - 1:30 pm 
Sort of, LOL, Bowie thinks she won the Mole and told Jag, I am not sure if Matt was there, that just the other day.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Sunday, October 29, 2023 - 1:56 pm
No, Matt was told by I think Cory and when Jag was bulldozing Matt to get Matt to sanction booting Cirie, Matt probably needed to convince himself, and told Jag that Cirie won Traitors.
So they know. Cirie obviously knows.
Felicia and Bowie may not, so far.
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Kappy
Member
06-28-2002
| Sunday, October 29, 2023 - 5:20 pm
Thank you Seamonkey and Dipo.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Saturday, November 04, 2023 - 12:39 pm
Did Matt ever swear on a bible to Jag that he never discussed with Cirie about cutting Jag out?
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Monday, November 06, 2023 - 5:14 pm
Was BJ really with Matt and Jag since week six? I musta missed that.
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Monday, November 06, 2023 - 5:29 pm
We all did.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Monday, November 06, 2023 - 5:30 pm
😂 she even lies to us.
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Hwest
Member
07-01-2011
| Tuesday, November 07, 2023 - 7:28 am
The Bowie Jag Matt togetherness story was something they all concocted. She was not with them until week 10.
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Sincebb1
Member
08-22-2005
| Tuesday, November 07, 2023 - 11:24 am
Just wondering.... I was only able to vote the first two days for AFP. After that I am blocked from voting because its as if I'm trying to vote same day. It shows the max 10, under the persons photo, and I can't clear it to zero. Any ideas?
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Mysticlady
Member
07-05-2007
| Tuesday, November 07, 2023 - 11:45 am
It is 10 votes per e-mail address. Use an e-mail address, vote ten times, log out, and then log back in with a different e-mail address and vote ten times.
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Sincebb1
Member
08-22-2005
| Tuesday, November 07, 2023 - 12:28 pm
It's 10 votes a day per email address, or 10 votes total per HG?
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 9:07 am
Qn: how did Cameron win favourite player? He seemed to play too hard too soon, was all up in the air with his decisions, and wasn’t good with the social game.
I mean he seemed like a nice guy, but seems weird he’s been elevated post game the way he has. What happened?
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 9:18 am
As a viewer, he stirred things up and made it interesting to watch to see what he'd do next.
To compare:
Blue/Jared and Cory/America spent their time in bed making out.
Cirie laid in bed all day
Bowie - don't even get me started
Meme- Who?
Felicia- She was my favorite and was robbed.
I forget, or most likely blocked out, anyone else I didn't mention.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 9:36 am
I think it was partly because he continued to fight against the odds, since the whole house was against him.
And I also think it was his attitude toward the game. He never held anything against anyone, he saw it as a game...always...and didn't make it personal. Unlike many of the sniping, gossiping ugly other contestants.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 9:40 am
Kitt, I never got it,either. The DADDY stuff was immediately creepy, he treated everyone, especially women, as if only he could possibly know what to do. Kept any allies in the dark, dismissed actual information or claimed to already know and somehow developed a loyal following.
He WAS more compelling (some consider that entertaining) that his fellow misogyny leaning fellow houseguests, including winner and runner up, though) in his manipulation of people.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 9:57 am
He was hardly more compelling, they voted him out... twice! the fact is he was right almost every step of the way... they just didn't believe him.
And did you see Jag's exit speech? Talk about creepy? That guy was scary!
Cameron made the show interesting. After he left, it was completely predictable and boring.
I think by the votes we can see that most of the viewers saw it similarly. That Cam was ganged up on, ignored when he tried to tell others what was going on, and seen as a huge threat. All of which made him a fan favorite.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 10:07 am
I just lost a long post, and yes, Jag's speech did him no favors. I wish Hisam had been allowed to speak, but that was never going to happen. Jag was offputting, not sure he was creepy.
Cam, Jag, Matt, Red, Jared.. Misogyny was like the extra houseguest.
To me Cam was just the creepiest and most demeaning to everyone.
Running off to an appointment....
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 10:45 am
I agree those last couple of weeks of Cam were probably the best in the season. But just seems like he blew up his own game by being so extreme with everything.
Thanks for the answers.
I didn't think Jag was creepy at all. He could have toned down his speech but I imagine he'd been told to "own it," and was pushed even more that way by a couple of the jury questions, and in his nerves and worry that they might be voting for Matt he just went OTT a bit. Can't be easy up there!
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 11:36 am
I think proudly proclaiming I "have all of your blood on my hands" is pretty creepy, but maybe that's just me. 
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Grooch
Member
06-16-2006
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 12:21 pm
I found him scary.
And his demanding that Bowie vote for him was beyond the pale.
Yes, that was creepy.
While I was watching it, I was thinking that I would NEVER do business with him, in the unlikely case the opportunity came up.
Nope. Never. Creepy and scary.
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 12:27 pm
It is pretty shocking that someone voted off so early and with not huge social media following got AFP. I think it speaks volumes about this season. It literally ended when he left, he make it exciting
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Pamy
Member
01-01-2002
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 12:29 pm
I also wonder if they cracked down on many emails from the same IP addy. I know Cirie's fan base is large and they were posting to vote for her. I would love to know how much he beat her by.
She hated being in the house and playing this game, not winning AFP makes me think we probably wont see her on any shows again
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Boberg
Member
10-04-2002
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 12:37 pm
Kitt I agree. I did not find Jag "creepy" at all. It was a little over the top but I attribute that to nervousness and the end of a 100 day season. Jag spoke passionately for himself. The part about "blood on his hands" Wow, how many times have we heard HG hesitant about getting blood on their hands?? Many, many times. We have even posted here..."they don't want to get blood on their hands." Jag was just owning what he had accomplished which was he was a huge part of the reason they were all in the jury house and not in the final 2 chairs.
In one of Jag's interviews I viewed today he spoke about how he had to totally rethink his game after week 4 (Path to Power) cause what he had been doing was not working well (called himself a really bad player for the first part of the season). Jag said he came to grips with not being able to be loyal to everyone, so he decided to be loyal to Matt only. That everyone had signed up to play this GAME and knew that it entailed lies, backstabs, and getting rid of threats and that is how he played from then on.
I for one, am grateful Hisam did not get to speak....right.
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Karuuna
Board Administrator
08-30-2000
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 1:32 pm
Boberg, I think there is a difference between what they normally say "I don't want blood on my hands"... and what Jag said... almost viciously about having their blood on his hands.
Not one word of regret about having to lie to people, or end their games. No humility, just a kind of wild-eyed pride in having their blood on his hands. It was disturbing. IMO.
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Kookliebird
Member
08-04-2005
| Friday, November 10, 2023 - 3:36 pm
I’m with Kar. It felt a bit like bullying to me… like he had done most of the season after Cam left. To me, this was just a forgettable season. The only one I will remember is Cam.
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