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Sincebb1
Member
08-22-2005
| Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - 6:11 pm 
I wish I could tell you when what time or what day it was on the live feeds... But DX slowly.. named off most of the people in the cookout..saying they could possibly be working together... He spoke haltingly and he occasionally inserted one person and took another person out. He wasn't sure if it included Tiff or Hannah...he kind of mentioned that that was possible but he didn't think it was probably.. I don't even know if he was joking about it at the time? I only remember it, because at the time I said well there you go.. figuring he had put it together...almost. and then he never revisited that thought again. I don't know if he just didn't want to go there?
I do totally agree with you about every single one of the non-cookout members. Not a one of them seemed to be influenced by anything other than strategy and gameplay.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Wednesday, September 22, 2021 - 10:25 pm
Hahahahahah, loved the Alyssa jury house clip, especially the end.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 10:47 am
The non-cookouts praising Tiffany for fooling them and getting the cookouts to the final 6.
I don't think I could be that polite.
Especially when Tiffany said how much it hurt her to turn against Claire. Poor little Tiff!
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 11:59 am
Yes, Tiffany. Thank you so very much for letting us be used to get all black people to the final six and for our entire game and chance to win 750000.00 coming down to our lack of blackness. You’re awesome and not at all a racist. Historic.
This season deserves this final three. I hope Derek wins.
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Worldtraveller
Member
06-26-2019
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 12:20 pm
This season deserved Frenchie staying a whole lot longer, I missed his insanity. It was fun then.
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Worldtraveller
Member
06-26-2019
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 12:23 pm
And Britni please simmer down, you're not auditioning for High School Musical.
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Sincebb1
Member
08-22-2005
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 12:27 pm
World ..oh my gosh....she was so annoying! I try to be patient with her...but she would get on my last nerve if I were in that house.
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Marameko
Member
07-14-2002
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 1:04 pm
Poor Britni, she means well but is annoying.
I wonder if jury members have ever laughed when an evicted hg rolls into the jury house ??
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 1:16 pm
I found it so uncomfortable when Tiffany explained how an alliance had been created that was totally based on race. It just so goes against everything I’ve been taught and believed in all my life.
It’s also unfortunate that Tiffany and others gave up their chance of winning for two people who didn’t really believe in the cause, per what was shown on the feeds last night.
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Worldtraveller
Member
06-26-2019
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 1:26 pm
So we have a season of people working together for a "cause", yet the last four standing, three are male. Women not working together AGAIN, escorting men to the end AGAIN.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 2:04 pm
Sharon Tharp
@sharontharp
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3h
Kyland: “The words that I said [to Xavier] aren’t something I regret because objectively they were true. Did I realize that they would also strike a chord? Of course, you got to have some fun on your way out." #bb23
This part also INFURIATES me: "Tiffany made choices that by her own admission were selfish and un-loyal. That, to me, I felt showed an inconsistency that I didn’t want to have in the first Black winner of BB because this is history. And I think that representation matters." #bb23
https://twitter.com/sharontharp/status/
1441459183229054977
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 2:19 pm
Hope everyone still feels like it is racist when a 6 member white team runs the house again, like in 20 or so other seasons.
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K9lover1
Member
07-04-2005
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 2:28 pm
If there was a six member team that was all white in the past, was it a requirement that to be part of that alliance you must be of a certain race. I think that is the objection people have with the cookout. White alliances in the past were a product of the make up of the house guests, more so than a product of race being a criteria.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 2:37 pm
But race was a criteria, no one of color was every invited in, JMO.
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Rosem4243
Member
06-27-2005
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 2:46 pm
I blame BB/casting for creating a situation that brought about The Cookout.
Had there been a more diverse cast over these last TWENTY TWO years, season 15 (plus a few others) and this one, wouldn’t have turned out the way they did.
For so many seasons, their idea of diversity was to have one gay guy lol.
Glad to see this change, finally, hope it continues and it’s not just CBS being performative like Frenchie.
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K9lover1
Member
07-04-2005
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 2:56 pm
My guess is that casting in the future will be different because of the lessons learned this season
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Kitt
Member
09-05-2000
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 3:22 pm
I think Tiffany's cause was righteous and justified. I think calling it based on race - even though it is - both minimises it, making it sound like something trivial, and maximises it, making it sound so different from any other alliance we've seen when really it wasn't.
On the minimises it front: Tiffany's quite clear that her thinking was based on getting a winner who looked like her, after having almost every contestant who looked like her in the past evicted based at least partly on the racial divide/preconceived ideas/subconscious racism in this country.
Yes, there are many outside the house, and many in the house, who don't act on race, but with a group of 16 or so in each house, and particularly it seems with the a-type personalities BB chooses for contestants, there's always someone who helps push a story for a black contestant because of their own biases. Everything from they're "angry" or "drama" or "unpredictable" right through to them "just not fitting in with the group." There have probably been a few exceptions, but not many.
Not to mention that CBS/BB casting hasn't always done the communities of colour much justice.
Tiffany just wanted to change that for this one time, to find a winner of colour to right what she justifiably felt was a wrong. And to give CBS/BB credit, they certainly did have many excellent candidates for that this year.
On the maximises it front: This alliance had true meaning and importance to Tiffany in just the same way that female alliances have had to some of their members. I don't think it's any different to that or an all male alliance, or people wanting an older person to win. It's all just people within or without the game wanting someone who represents them to win so that they and people they care about feel they won too. An alliance based on something shared.
I don't think all the others felt as strongly as Tiffany did. It seems like a couple of them (X, Big D) realised they could use the loyalty to the alliance of a few of the group (Tiffany, Azah), coupled with Tiffany's other friendships and smart play, to get them to the end even if their personal interest in the alliance wasn't solely Tiffany's cause.
And so because people are people regardless of colour, when it came to the final six the men had stronger connections to the other men (and their egos), and/or would have happily taken others to the end if they could work it, and what we see happening now is very similar to what we've seen happen in any other six person alliance near the end.
The alliance didn't help Tiffany get the win, but it did get a person of colour to the end, and that's what she wanted. If she'd teamed up with other women, or found another team, she likely wouldn't have got much further as she was a clear threat.
She played a good game imo. And made history. Bit sad that a black winner in BB is that much of a shock in 2021 in the US, but that's half the point.
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Kminfinity
Member
06-29-2005
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 4:56 pm
Love your post Kitt.
Voting Tiff for AFP.
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Dipo
Member
04-23-2002
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 5:03 pm
Thank you Kitt, so much better than my sentence, LOL.
I totally agree.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 5:58 pm
Same here Jimmer. And to call other alliances in the past racist based on nothing concrete vs this alliance based solely and unapologetically on race is ridiculous IMHO.
This is exactly the kind of thinking that in my view takes us backwards. Now we’re cheering segregation because another race is doing the segregating?
Worst season ever and it had the potential to be the best.
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Chippy
Member
08-16-2007
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 6:06 pm
And I still contend that they were never really tested when it came to choosing the cause over their life in the game. Did Tiffany really chose the cause when she let Claire go or was it her realization that she backed herself into a no win corner because she certainly couldn’t afford for the CO to turn on her in the house or in the jury. X and BD and Azah and even Hannah were always safe. Who knows what they woulda done had they not had such malleable “persons”.
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Fan3
Member
07-07-2005
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 6:07 pm
If they had formed a alliance based on being white I bet they would be quite a few that would be up in arms and mad as hell. They made it to the end because they were really in a alliance of 12. So I give props to tiff for starting it. But I still don’t think she was a favorite player until they turned on her and quite a few people wants to see her get money for her troubles. In my humble opinion
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Jimmer
Board Administrator
08-29-2000
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 9:10 pm
As I’ve said previously, I wanted to see a POC win Big Brother U.S. I just didn’t want to see them have to do this to win it. Getting ahead by excluding people based on their race is going backward rather than forward.
There are lots of examples of POC and white people in alliances in the past. Two all time fan favourite players (Janelle and Kaysar) are examples of that. Kaysar was an extremely popular member of the Sovereign Six alliance and his color was never considered or relevant.
A POC won this year’s BB Canada and he didn’t need a huge dedicated POC alliance to do it. It can be done.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 10:41 pm
Hot damn, Kitt, thanks for saving me all that TIME. Your post was spot on.
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Seamonkey
Moderator
09-07-2000
| Friday, September 24, 2021 - 11:13 pm
Danielle and Jason.
She did not lose because of her race, but because the jury saw her diary room entries and she certainly was not targeted early due to race.
Marcellas basically evicted himself.
But we know there was a particularly uncomfortable season where there were uncomfortable targets and other seasons with winners who made us squirm.
Let's be clear, the alliance got 6 black people to the finale. The other people of color (Derek X, Alyssa), the other people who added diversity to this season (Britini, Claire, SarahBeth), were excluded.
All credit to Tiffany for achieving this goal, and she certainly was the mastermind and the glue that held things together.
Sadly, though, if Azah wins part two and takes Big D, as she planned, we end up with winners who really are in final two ONLY because of their race, not because of good game play on their part.
Xavier is the bet left and, once he got to final six managed to avoid being in danger thanks to Kyland's obsession and then played well. He won't be a legend, but at least a worthy winner.
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