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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 7:14 am 
I KNOW people need to play to win. But anyone else feel that Cliff manipulated Nicole to get rid of Tommy to help his game? Part of the game? Or mean?
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Julieboo
Member
02-05-2002
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 7:15 am
I really really really liked Cliff up until last night’s episode.
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Scooterrific
Member
07-08-2005
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 7:19 am
He's got to play for himself. If he felt it was the right thing for his game, then more power to him.
On the other hand you could say that Nicole ruined Cliff's game by even broaching the subject of keeping Tommy.
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Wilsonatmd
Member
01-23-2001
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 7:30 am
I don't think he manipulated her- he just completely misread the situation.
-He never really trusted Tommy
-He thought that Tommy would never pick him over Nicole (and maybe even Jackson)
-Jackson's lie cemented his mistrust of him
-He thought he could trust Jackson as a possible backup F2 partner so he made the deal with him
-I don't think Jackson was ever going to keep the deal once Holly got saved- if he could cut one of C/N, he would (he knows he has to break up the other pair)
-Cliff played a really decent game, but he didn't make the moves when he could have (he could have gotten Jack out on his HOH- he settled for Bella; he could have gotten Holly out when he and Nicole had control- he settled for Tommy)
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Lakecat
Member
10-01-2006
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 7:38 am
Cliff is playing the game, I’d be more disappointed if he didn’t try.
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Brenda1966
Member
07-02-2002
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 12:42 pm
I'm disappointed that he was gullible enough to believe Jackson! No way should anyone believe Jackson would take Cliff to the end. I think only Nicole would take Cliff to the end.
And yes, I do feel Cliff manipulated Nicole to keep Holly. I understand that is part of the game. I don't like it and I really think he miscalculated his best strategy.
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Govols
Member
07-18-2005
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 1:46 pm
I find Cliff more pompous than Jxn.
I catch his comments and his selective lisp speech drives me nuts. He played more for AFP than anything and that was very annoying.
He knew Jxn was lying, but it benefited him, so he went w/it.
He had fun, also glad he is going.
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Skydiver6
Member
07-21-2006
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 6:30 pm
Totally agree! I hope somehow that Nicole can hang in there but I highly doubt it.
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Keldogg
Member
08-12-2005
| Monday, September 16, 2019 - 6:36 pm
I wasn't happy with him throwing Nicole under the bus. But at the same time, he is playing his own game, and I can't fault him for that. Rather that then somebody basically piggybacking off their showmance. (cough Holly cough)
I am disappointed in some of his pandering for AFP. He will not be getting any votes from me.
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Marameko
Member
07-14-2002
| Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 3:45 am
I am indeed disappointed in Cliff and no longer want him to win AFP . At this point I am not watching the feeds and I am using CBS Access for 2 other shows instead to get some value out of the monthly feed.
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Lostfan
Member
03-10-2010
| Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 3:57 am
I’m disappointed in Nicole AND Cliff for sending Tommy home over Holly!
WTH did she expect would happen? So incredibly tedious
Now at this point she gets what she gets
Can’t stand Jackson and Holly! But Cliff and Nicole handed the win to Jackson
Cliff will never get my vote! Mine goes to Tommy
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Sunnyday
Member
08-07-2014
| Sunday, September 22, 2019 - 1:41 pm
Nope.
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Lazylu
Member
04-09-2010
| Sunday, September 22, 2019 - 1:43 pm
Yes.
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