July 30 Show - Cliffhanger for Finale (Comments - poss. spoiler)
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Gusto

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We learned one thing - Bill isn't the Mole. There is no way the mole would directly insert $100,000 into the pot.

I'm sticking with my original guesses - Bill-Winner, and the Mole is Dorothy.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, last year Kathryn said she was trying to help them win the last game, and she was the mole.

It's clear if Bill isn't, he knows who it is if he has gone with 1 person only the last 2 times.

I'm sticking with Bill as the mole--just about every other game he's been in, he's goofed it up somehow.

Gusto

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah... you've got a point...

(darn you! hehe)

Curlyq

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At the beginning of the episode, Heather explained how she and Dorothy had targeted Bribs and Al. Then she said that now she and Dorothy would be going up against each other, which to me implies that she thinks Bill is the Mole. So either Heather's the Mole and just said that to throw us off, or Bill has to be the Mole since Heather has made it this far and she suspects him. Of course, since they didn't edit that statement out, it probably is just a red herring. Heather's probably the Mole.

Either way I don't really suspect Dorothy anymore.

Lobster

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curly, I don't suspect her either. I think the reason that Dorothy didn't act Moleish in this episode is because she isn't the mole, but knows who the mole is, and wanted that 100,000 added to the pot she's hoping to win.

When I first read the profiles of the players before the show started, my first instinct was to say that Heather was the Mole. For a long time I thought it was Katie, but still suspected Heather. If Bill is the mole, that makes for kinda bad tv in my book. So, therefore, Heather is the mole.

Makeitstop

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Considering the GPS had a very easy to read directional arrow, how in the world did Heather not get any closer to the secret location than when she started? Is it possible she is the mole and thought what would blow the game was one of them not making it?

Firebird05

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would really like for Heather to be the Mole and have voted so many times . BUT now I am thinkning it must be Bill. I just don't see him being in the final three if he is not the Mole.

Dorothy I don't know she spends too much time acting like the mole to be the MOLE.

Muse

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I personally thought Bill's actions indicated that he was the Mole. Like Lancecrossfire mentioned, we know that sometimes the Mole is instructed to try to increase the pot, especially if it's towards the end and the show wants it raised. Plus I felt that Bill *would* look at the dossier if he wasn't the Mole. Dorothy and Heather both seem like smart girls. He might go for any advantage he could get, just to increase his odds against the competition.

Of course, I watch all of the episodes thinking "Bill's the Mole. Oh, look at the Mole. What Mole-y thing is he doing now?". :) So I could probably explain most everything he does in the context of him being the Mole since that's just the way I look at it now...lol.

Also - after watching tonight's episode, I think Dorothy wins. Heather came across as a bit obnoxious. Granted, her meltdown made for good TV (she's the type who gets really emotional and snappy if she's under a lot of stress, huh?), and they had to show that. But there were other moments...like what's with the hairbrush thing? I don't know. I just sort of felt like it was being edited for us to like Dorothy more. I could be wrong. I hope not, since I'm rooting for Dorothy now. :)

Spunky

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've always said it was Bill but Heather made me suspicious with the way she lost her way and really wanted to give up.

However, Bill being the mole had to win this last time to fool the other two, but how could they not know he's the mole after all this time?

I must admit that they have me totally fooled because every time I'm more confused than before.

I was hoping tonight to know the answer but we will have to wait another week!!

Cathie

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My thoughts going into tonight's show were that the mole would try to look and act more like a non-mole for this last contest, and the non-moles might try to look like the mole to throw the competition off track.

Hope that makes sense - like Heather might try to look more suspicious to make Bill/Dorothy (whoever ISN'T the mole) think she is so she would be the only one to answer most of the questions correctly. Just using Heather as an example here, you can sub any of the names there.

Also, the mole might make one last effort to look like he/she is trying really hard to win money and throw both the others off track.

I am still going with Bill as mole and Dorothy as winner, may as well stick with my first impression...

Mygetaway

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd like to think they really fooled us, and either Heather (who I voted for unitl the last 2 votes) or Dorothy was The Mole, but I think it's going to be Bill. I think he gave them the 100,000 because he busted his butt on that last challenge, and because maybe he thinks Heather is going to win. He gave her the extra money to make up for making her feel bad about his comments on her morals...LOL


**edit** I should add about my first statement.. Not that they fooled us, but that it would be better TV if one of the girls was The Mole, because we felt the clues for Bill were so blatant this year.
I was mad because I thought we'd at least get to see who was eliminated tonight.

Tabbyking

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yes, that would be my only reason for hoping bill is NOT the mole--that the clues were blatant...at least in hindsite! lol i am hoping if the mole is bill, they made less 'tangible, provable, readable' clues as to who the mole is for mole 3. (although it may have filmed before someone could read our gripes about the clues!)
if someone else is the mole, that would be great, because it would show how so many of us were led by 'false' clues. although i did try and stick with katie, and we all know what happened there! sticking with bill as mole, dorothy to win, and heather to come in second.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since I have been thinking it was Bill when the bios first came out before they started the show the first time, my reasoning may be a bit biased--but I will go for it anyway.

I think Bill actually has cost them a lot of money. Tonight he let the other person decide what answer to give Anderson if there was any disagreement about the answer--ge didn't fight once to have his answer be the one used.

In the gnome game, he forgot to get his picture taken, costing a lot of time (he is a surgeon--you think a deatil like the picture needing to be done wouldn't be something he'd forget). Then he dropped the gnome while riding the bike up a ramp--going so slow there was no way he could make it.

In the game where he was in the pool, he quit after 8 minutes.

For getting the car into the greenhouse, he was bent on getting the car taken apart--an approach that woudl cost them the game for sure. He didn't want anything to do with any other approach--but others were willing to work on the car as well.

A commonality about all of these was that pretty much he made it tough for them game to succeed, but didn't come right out and lose it for them (gnome the exception) He just made it really hard on the others by not doing his fair share (or expected fair share)

His journal was written in the style of a letter to his wife. Not very efficient for keeping track of possibilities for the mole---yet he's still there. That takes being aware of a lot of things if you aren't the mole.

Riviere

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right on the journal, Lance, I'd nearly forgotten that! Always suspected Bill for various reasons. If he's the Mole and Dorothy & Heather are onto him, wonder how the test times will effect it? Heather had told Dorothy she had faster test times in past quizzes but Dorothy sure saved their bacon in a few games, so both women have played a smart game. Picked Heather to win but I'm happy these are the final 3 in any order.. I really can't wait to see all the clues I missed and what was Mole sabotage or just player error!

Amy

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not only will time come into play but they have to remember all the answers to the 20 questions asked. So even if Heather would answer the questions fastest Dorothy could win if she got more answers correct, or vice versa. So there is a lot of remembering the various events that comes into play with determining the winner.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 11:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That was quite a quiz--20 questions that covered from the day they first met throgh the last game they played. Very detail oriented questions. The person who gets the 600+K is going to have earned it over the 6 week time frame.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else find this show dull? The three of them wandering around alone was just not very interesting or informative. Hard to top last years finale in the hotel but they could have come up with something better.

Bbrother3

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have this crazy idea that just might be true. I think that Bill is the mole and he went into some sort of alliance with Dorothy. That could explain why Dorothy has saved them in so many situations. Part of the plan could be that Dorothy will split the money with Bill. Maybe that's why he hasn't destroyed any missions or anything like that. Maybe he and Dorothy are in an alliance and they are splitting the money. Could be?

Rissa

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been looking at Bill through Mole-coloured glasses every since the telegram news (aren't I the great detective? RFLOL) and he did at least two very suspicious things last night. One during the question game (there was more than one odd answer but this one stood out for me): when asked which of the girls would most likely be alone in ten years. Dorothy said she had TOLD the other players that she likes being independent and is in no rush to marry while Heather IS engaged. I though the whole statistics of divorce reasoning was lame and Bill seemed to squirm even having to give that silly excuse. He had to know that the girls would have answered 'Heather', he absolutely had to know that. The second thing was during one of those *private* interviews... Bill said "I think I know who the mole is" and at the same time he patted his chest. I guess you could take it as *I* know but the hand gesture seemed awkward to me, like it had been planned, just didn't seem like a spontaneous movement to me.

I also thought it was highly molish to take the money and not read the dossier. What does another 100 grand matter if you lose the game? At this point, one quiz left... a non-mole would have devoured those pages for any edge they may provide. Oh wait, fourth thing (I said two to begin with, didn't I? :) ) The scratches on Bill's arm... wouldn't an experienced hiker, or let's face it.. anyone with an average or above IQ NOT walk directly into a bush? Especially since from the camara shot, it was only a ten foot clearly visible detour around that little bunch of thorns? Seemed to me that Bill walked right into it. Not to mention that he HAD to go to the bathroom sometime during all those hours, why did he leave all the blood on his arms and not wash it off? To impress the girls that he had such an arduous hike as well and therefore is NOT the mole?

Fruitbat

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This show is ho hum at this point. Even if Bill were not the mole and all these clues were meant to mislead, there is a let down feeling. Bad idea to insert clues that are fake. Why look for clues at all? So either way............yawn.

I enjoyed watching the show but I will not be left with that WOW! feeling like I was last year.

Tabbyking

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
rissa, i think you mean that bill had to know they would answer 'dorothy'...
anyway, it would be great if bill turned out to not be the mole--or the winner! and they showed us all the obvious clues, but then showed us some things that negated all those clues...things that we all missed after thinking we had the biggies!

Rissa

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby. Yes DOROTHY!! LOL oops. I think it would be great if it isn't Bill as well, but it would also tick me off a bit. After all, we are supposed to be finding the clues not having clues that outright lied to us. There have been two times (that were caught anyway) when the show spellt out *Bill is the Mole*. One (the telegram) could be a huge coincidence (doubtfull) but the screen cap caught last night isn't. I think the *Bill is the Mole* clues are legit, that they underestimated the TIVO viewing public and won't make that mistake next year. :)

Brenda1966

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Fruitbat, that this year wasn't as good as last year and that last nights show was quite boring. Having them split up was not a good idea. I appreciate that the task was difficult, but it would have been more interesting to watch them do something difficult together.

I don't think Bill was a good mole. His flubs were too obvious and I think his lack of effort (not writing anything good in his diary, not really being studious) make him seem too obvious. What I find interesting is that the players in the game seem fooled by him. It will be interesting to see what they all have to say next week.

Dorothy has been shown in a more positive light lately so I'm predicting her as the winner.

Kitt

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ignoring the "clues" that we get to see, and the contestants don't, I think Bill stood out in the beginning as the most likely Mole, but now if I hadn't seen the clues I would be hard pressed to settle on a choice out of the final three. All three made some very dodgy answers to the questions, Bill didn't read the dossier but did increase the finds by $100,000 (those two almost cancel each other out!), and Heather had a little breakdown - again.

I really hope Dorothy wins, after last night I don't think Heather deserves it. Bill is the mole of course.

Kitt

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gusto, my theory about Bill adding $100K to the pot is that he did it out of honour. He is a retired admiral and a father and I think he thought the two young girls (or whichever wins) deserved the extra $100K for coming so far in the game. It was his gift to them. That's jmho anyway .

Ciara

Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Kitt......That Bill is the mole and he added the $100K to the pot because he knew that either Heather or Dorothy could use the extra money...

Timmac10

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 12:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I'm in the minority here, but I feel strongly that the mole is Heather. I started really believing that after the game where they had to ride the bikes up the hill. There were the words "I will beat you" written on the road. The camera showed the words. Then quickly switched to Bribs riding the bike. Right after I saw that I made sure to see who would beat Bribs. For anyone who remembers the episode, Bribs was walking up the stairs holding the bike. Heather was walking beside him. Then Heather reached the top of the stairs right before Bribs did. I think that was a telling clue. Ever since then I've had my sights on her. She has done nothing to change my mind. I think Bill and Dorothy know it too. Remember the episode before last when Al was eliminated, Bill was holding the can of Mole repellent (or whatever it is), and held it up to her leg, everyone laughed when she made the remark "What did you think, I would burst into flames or something?" Almost as if it's known by everyone who the Mole is. Then last week's episode when she made what I read to be a slip of the tongue. During the long hike when she was freaking out, she asked the crew not to film her. She was asking them "as part of the staff/crew". Her panicked words.

Marameko

Monday, August 05, 2002 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Timmac, I think Heather is the MOLE, I am getting excited to see the show Tue.

Whit4you

Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing is - IF Bill is NOT the mole (I am 99.9% sure Heather is)

That last contest was totally unfair to him - the other two knew exactly where their GPS's were - all they told him was it's "THAT WAY" - the others could visually see where their GPS's were - and he could not. Had he NOT gotten their first and he is not the mole then that would be a 500+ grand advantage for his opponent. Ya know?

But the thing is - if he IS not the mole why wouldnt he read the info on the Mole? I mean 500 g's is more then enough money for him...unless he's 101% sure who the mole is - it would not make sense to not read it.

I have a feeling he's completely sure who the mole is ya know? But what if he didn't realize how detailed this questionare would be and didn't think he'd need to read that info .... and loses because he didn't LOL :)

Car54

Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last year Steve and Jim knew early that Kathryn was the Mole and they ran interference for her.

I will be so mad if the producers put all those Bill is the Mole clues out there and he really IS the Mole.

I waited 9 months for this darn show and it better be a surprise or I am gonna be really cranky.

Wink

Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You might be needing this about now Car.123

Donut

Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol wink, but you are gonna need a few more cases of that stuff.....

btw, how much did bill actually sabotage cuz it didnt sound like it added up to much... I think when you factor in the hundred thou, that he actuallly ended up ADDING money to the game! Some mole....