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Mssilhouette

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought I start off being a clue finder I've done the first show listing things that I thought might be a clue.


EPISODE #1

Order of players appearance in show’s intro:
Al
Katie
Ali
Bill
Myra
Dorothy
Bob
Bribs
Darwin
Patrick
Heather
Elavia
Lisa
Rob

First contestants show in seats as camera pans from left to right…
Lisa
Darwin
Ali
Bill

Camera stops. Anderson is shown. Next contestants show:
Heather
Bribs

Then it goes back to the first four shown.
In the shot of all players sitting only 12 are shown (Katie is kinda cut out of the shot and the closest person to Anderson appears to be Dorothy but Anderson is blocking the view of the 1st (Dorothy) and 2nd person seated. 3rd is Al, Bill is 4th from Anderson

Not much to note during the challenges.

During the Swing challenge Anderson is eating a sandwich. Bill and Darwin are behind him: Darwin more on the right side and Bill more on the left. Anderson looks over his left shoulder and says “This looks scary” with his mouth full of food.

During the bag burning challenge Katie looks through the binoculars and the only names on the bags that can be recognized are: Katie and Michael

The order of the players leaning on the rail watching the bag burning challenge as the camera pans from left to right:

On the railing…
Bill
Heather
Lisa
Bribs
Rob
Standing behind left to right:
Darwin
Bob
Myra
Elavia
Al

At the dinner before the first quiz, the seating order from Anderson’s right goes:
Al
Bribs
Darwin
Katie
Rob
Heather
At the other head of the table (still going from the right)
Bill
Patrick
Myra
Bob
Elavia
Lisa
Ali
Dorothy

Everyone at the dinner appeared to be drinking white wine.

The pictures shown just before the elimination were:
Statue of Jesus after being crucified
Painting of Jesus with arrows in body

Bob is the Mole’s first victim.

I would have mentioned the X on the building but my tape didn't catch it since I was pausing out the commericals I might have missed it....BUT
from my memory the X was on the hotel wall at the end of a grouping of 3 windows.
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I'll Clue Hunt the 2nd episode tomorrow!

Wink

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 05:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Going with MsSil's list of the order of appearance in the intro, and using the first letter of the names of the first three players listed followed by the fourth player we get:

The Mole

AKA = Bill

Moondance

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Damn! I saw Hunter's name in the title and got my hopes up!:)

Webkitty

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL!!!
Keep dreaming MsMoon.......

Lancecrossfire

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I'd like to throw out some thoughts about the issue of clues. I think it's going to be close to impossible to know for sure which clue points to the mole with any certainty

Last year there was the mole to be the 4th one shown, and the word "mole" has 4 letters. And the issue of someone paying the price when her last name was Pryce. Or the name of the bag on one of the shows. How concrete are those compared to all the other things you can see in an hour show??

The first Mole had a clue on show of the Mole's name on the license plate of the car used to take the person away at the end of the show. I consider that a good clue! Problem is, in all the things you could see in an hour show, what's the odds a person will catch that?? (or any other clue for that matter)

Heck, the are 7 letters in "The Mole". Think what they could do with that any given show--including the 7th show.

They also don't say if it's a new clue each show, or the same clue. Notice there is a silhouette of a heck/neck of someone at the beginning of each show--could it match one of the players?

Or is Mssilhouette the mole??!! (sorry)

what if they show a red house one of the episodes and the mole has red hair? Would be notice that to be a defining clue? Or what if they have ribs for dinbner one night? Does that make Bribs the mole? (ribs rhymes with Bribs) They can make these clues so obscure that we all suffer a "Grooch" (exploding head).

Through all of that, I still think we will all have fun with it, and in the end, wonder how the heck they call what they consider to be clues, clues at all. lol

Mssilhouette

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Lance..shhhh stop trying to blow my cover. I'll I'm trying to do is keep people from having their heads explode.

Actually in the episodes there's not much that's clue worthy to be honest. I'm just listing some physical stuff as well as placement. Something may be a clue or it MAY NOT be. But it's nice to have a list of stuff to consider. Anyway it's just fun....Now on to my Clue Hunt for Episode 2:
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The Mole
Episode 2

Day 4 Scoul, Switzerland

In opening shot of group, Bill is the only one wearing a green shirt. Katie is wearing a bright blue jacket. Myra is wearing purple/pink. Everyone else is wearing either blues, grays or blacks.

Clothesline Game – Wearing costumes to get to hotel
Fashion Consultants:
Dorothy, Bill, Elavia

Teams & Costumes
Team 1
Myra – Lederhosen with white shirt green suspenders.
Patrick – Blue Speedos

Team 2
Bribs – Pink Negligee
Ali – Peasant with blonde wig (white blouse, red & white skirt)

Team 3
Heather – Yellow dress with green print apron
On apron: Letters FONDUE in different colors; cheese wedge, 2 cows, Man carrying sleigh of cheese, several fondue forks, 2 glasses of beer, 2 glasses of wine.
Darwin - Tan bunny suit

Team 4
Lisa - Green dress with red boa
Rob – Brown & White, cow outfit with bells

Team 5
Al – Nude color bustier with matching panties
Katie – Lederhosen with red & white checked shirt

Fashion Consultants pass on wearing the diaper bib, cap and pacifier. Team 3 passes Anderson eating a sandwich. Anderson says, “Hey Bunny”

Bribs and Ali take a break and go to a bar. The time is 3.52 pm. Lisa with the rest of the group at the train station is the first to ask why they haven’t gone looking for Bribs and Ali.

Lisa and Bill are sent to go find Team 2 they meet team 2 walking towards them. Shot of all 4 at a bar drinking beer. They toast and Bill says “Here’s to making…sure we keep having fun.” 15 minutes until train leaves. Team 2, Lisa and Bill return to train station.

The big joke drama plays out and backfires, other players are upset. Most upset person is Al and Darwin. Out of the 4, Ali Bribs, Lisa and Bill, no one remembers who concocted the idea of playing the joke on the others. But Heather says that Bribs told her that Lisa came up with the idea.

Train travels from Scuol to St. Moritz and arrive at the hotel on time. Group wins the money and bags that were thought to be burned returned to owners.

Heather shows off her bible given to her by her father. Title: The Student Bible
Al shows off a picture of his wife and daughters
Myra’s glad to have clean underwear
Bill and Bribs toast and drink beer…They are roomed together.


High Rollers Game– Group has to pick 4 people to gamble with 20,000.

Gambler - Darwin
Cool Head - Lisa
Good with Numbers - Rob
Selfish Brat - Katie

Game is Blackjack. Bet is 1,000 minimum. Each player has 5,000 in chips.
Stacks are piled 3 green chips on top of 2 black.
Goal: $40,000 to win
Cards are blue and white with a geometric design on them.

Player order from right to left:
Darwin
Lisa
Rob
Katie

First Bet: 1,000
Darwin, Lisa & Rob use Black chips
Katie uses Green chips

Last Bet:
Rob is left with 4,000 and bets it all
Rob draws 3 of heats and 10 of diamonds
Dealer has 7
Rob hits and gets 3 of clubs or spades (hard to tell)
Dealer draws 6, 2 ,2 and wins.

Second Dinner before Quiz

Seating:
Myra Lisa Ali, Rob, Darwin, Katie
A ....................................
N ....................................*B
D ....................................
E .................................... I
R ....................................
S .................................... L
O ....................................
N .................................... L
Patrick, Al Heather, Bribs, Elavia Dorothy

*Bill’s position is assumed because during this dinner is not shown on camera in any of the shots.

Group has wine: red and white
Darwin: red
Lisa: White (at beginning) Red (before dessert was served).
Bribs: Red
Al: White
Eliva: Water
Rob: White
Ali: Red
Myra: Red
Dorothy: Water
Dorothy is wearing a green watch or bracelet later on in her room you can see its a green semi transparent watch with what looks like a calcuator.

Blueberry Game: 14 pieces in a jelly roll cake with sliced strawberries and kiwis in the center and 1 single blueberry atop of each slice of cake, except for 1.

Roomates & Rm. No.
506: Al & Patrick
507: Bill & Bribs
509: Elavia & Ali & Katie
510: Lisa & Dorothy
516: Heather & Myra
518: Darwin & Patrick

From the hidden camera, facing down the hall
There are 3 rooms on one side and 3 on the other.
Darwin exits his room farthest from the camera on the left side
From another hidden camera: Katie exits her room 509 and walks directly across the hall to 510

Drama about the Blueberry game.

Day 6 – Dinner & Quiz

Seating:

Anderson .............................Heather
Elavia, Darwin, Ali, Rob Bribs

Dorothy ..............................Patrick
Bill, Katie, Al, Myra, Lisa

Floor tiles/pictures shown before elimination:
Sun with reaching sunbeams
Woman holding what looks like a lily.
Two Fish

Seating for quiz results:
First row closest to camera:
Ali, Bribs, Patrick, Bill, Myra, Darwin, Heather

Second row:
Elavia, Lisa, Heather, Dorothy, Rob, Al

Ali is the mole's 2nd Victim

Lancecrossfire

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually this is a great idea! BNy listing so many physical things you see, there is a grteater chance of picking up a clue--bold or well hidden.

I agree it's going to be fun sifting through everthing. Heck, there may end up being a pattern to what clues they show this time around--this kind of thing would really help identifying that too.

I can tell you that my head will explode for sure--lol

Azriel

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MsSilouette, this is wonderful. Thank you so much for laying it all out so organized and clear for all of us. It is very much appreciated by this vcr deprived fan.

Bookworm

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks MsSil! It's really interesting to have all the facts laid out for all the clue hunters out there. One thing that may really be great about your lists is looking for patterns in seating (alphabetic, numeric, or otherwise). I know it takes a lot of time to compile these possible clues. Thank you!

Egbok

Friday, May 31, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gosh Mssil, you are fan-tab-u-lous!! Thanks for providing all this STUFF!!
<Egbok's eyes are popping out of her head!>

And Moonie, you are too funny!! Hunter - LOL!!

Mssilhouette

Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Y'all are all welcome! I'm having fun doing it!

Twiggyish

Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watch Lisa tonight. Remember she picks the wrong person for the mole. So her strategy is wrong. A good hint for who isn't the mole.

Julieboo

Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay-I am not sure which thread to put htis question in...

Am I missing something or is guessing who the mole is just about 100% a guess? I mean with Survivor and TAR you can guess based on some solid evidence like who is physically strong or manipulative, etc... but with The Mole, it seems like there is no way to really figure things out. Every time they have the final quiz, I wonder if just randomly guessing answers would be any better or worse than answering them based on a specific person. Know what I mean? Any opinions on this.

Jan

Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to agree with you at this point in the game, Julie. After all if you pick a person as the mole and answer all the questions accordingly but are wrong...you will have all the answers wrong and be gone. On the other hand, if you are random about picking answers, you will probably get some of them right just by chance and so are less likely to get booted, aren't you?

Fruitbat

Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been thinking about this and it makes sense to choose two people on your list one male and one female hoping that another is focusing on only one and gets them all wrong.

Grooch

Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they have to guess on a lot of the questions even if they were correct about who the mole is. There is to much to remember.

One of the questions was what color bootees was the mole wearning in the Little John/Little Jane contest.

What color glass of wine? What seat did the sit 3 nights ago, etc, etc.

So I would try to do 50/50 at this point.

There is just waaaay to much to remember.

Grooch

Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops, meant to add: So even if they are correct as to who the mole is, they can still get executed because those questions are so hard.

Marysafan

Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Grooch...no way can anyone remember ALL those minute details. So even you if have a pretty good idea who the mole is ...or even if you are 100% sure...you are still going to miss some questions.

Llkoolaid

Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, too many details. I don't think I could keep up. I think picking 2 people to focus on might help against someone picking just one at the first but as the game goes on they are going to have to focus on just one person. The questions are too random. It is the hardest game out there.

Mssilhouette

Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 10:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Da motherload of Clue Hunter's details coming Monday :) I'm late but it's been a busy week for me..I gotta do it tomorrow to make room on the tape for the next episodes.

Mygetaway

Monday, June 10, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Mss, you're doing a great job!
Grooch and others have it right. Even if you had the correct Mole, chances are high you could mess up on some of those questions. It's looking like you almost have to have a photographic memory to apply to this game..{LOL} I'm hoping I will be able to relax a little and really watch this next episode closely!

Mssilhouette

Monday, June 10, 2002 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh yeah it's really photographic..you might even say its videographic..*WINK* LOL

Sorry folks...today became intrenched with that nasty thing we call reality! LOL So here I am at night looking through the tapes. I will no doubt have it all finished before the next episodes.

But I have solved one mystery...Katie's painted nails...are red. But only a couple of them...Dadadummm!

Mssilhouette

Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Mole – Episode 3

Order of players appearance in show’s intro:
Al
Heather
Bribs
Elavia
Bill
Katie
Rob
Lisa
Patrick
Myra
Darwin
Dorothy

Day 8 – St. Moritz, Switzerland

At Breakfast – Mole Diary/Switch
On Anderson’s Right: Katie, Bribs, Dorothy, Bill, Patrick, Darwin
On Anderson’s Left: Lisa, Rob, Al, Myra, Heather, Elavia

Dorothy wants to read diary. Reads aloud:
Miscellaneous stuff about past booted players
“Round 3 To Do list:
Sabotage the pot; Pit one against other; Put a chill down spine; Make them beg”

Journals are switched 4 people to the left:
Katie’s journal went to Myra
Bribs’ journal went to Al
Dorothy’s journal went to Rob
Bill’s journal went to Lisa
Patrick’s journal went to Katie
Darwin’s journal went to Bribs
Lisa’s journal went to Heather
Rob’s journal went to Elavia
Al’s journal went to Darwin
Myra’s journal went to Patrick
Heather’s journal went to Bill
Elavia’s journal went to Dorothy
(*Diary numbers are not shown)

Neutralizer Game

Myra is the trustworthy person chosen to retrieve an envelope.
Myra has to chose someone to be neutralized from winning any exemptions. Dorothy is neutralized for the round and 10K is added to the pot.

Diary drama. Katie’s writes about Elavia …

As Katie finally reads Patrick’s journal in the room it can be seen that she has two fingernails on her left hand painted red (3rd and 4th finger)

Little Jane and Little John
Al decides who plays…Those who make it across put money in the pot & during 2nd round can fight for exemption. Booties come in 2 colors: Black and White

Order of players, opponents, outcome and bootie color
1st Lisa vs. Jane; Lisa wins, Booties-Black
2nd Patrick vs. John; Patrick loses, Booties-White
3rd Heather vs. Jane; Heather loses, Booties-White
4th Bill vs. Jane, Bill Wins, Booties-White
5th Dorothy vs. John; Dorothy loses Booties - White
6th Rob vs. Jane, Rob loses – Booties White
7th Myra vs. Jane, Jane Disqualified, Myra wins. Booties-White
8th Bribs vs. Jane, Bribs wins; Booties–White
9th Elavia vs. Jane- Elavia loses- Booties-Black
10th Darwin vs. Jane; Darwin wins, Booties- White
11th Katie vs. John; Katie loses, Booties - Black

$25,000 Added to pot

Exemption Battle
1st Darwin vs. Bribs; Darwin wins
2nd Darwin vs. Bill; Bill wins
3rd Bill vs. Lisa; Bill wins
4th Bill vs. Myra; Bill wins
5th Bill vs. Al;…draw then 2nd round. Al wins

Spa Relaxation: Hotel Europa
In first shot
In Jacuzzi: Elavia & Heather
In pool: Rob, Darwin, Bribs, Al, Katie
Elavia & Heather walk along pool side.
Myra, Dorothy, appear to be standing pool side.

After Anderson tells Al that he can give an exemption to someone
Shown in pool: Rob, Bribs, Darwin, Heather.
Later in Jacuzzi are: Elavia, Al (sitting on edge), Rob, Heather, Patrick, Bribs.

Lunch at Belvedere Hotel
Anderson sits the head of the table. Bribs & Rob sit at opposite end.
On Anderson’s left: Patrick Darwin, Bill, Al, Myra
On Anderson’s right: Heather Patrick, Lisa, Dorothy, Elavia

Greatest Fears:
Bribs – Commitment
Al- Being Nobody Not being remembered
Lisa- Losing

Dinner before exemption:
Anderson’s left: Bill, Elavia, Dorothy, Lisa, Myra
Anderson’s right: Darwin, Katie, Al, Bribs, Rob
Heather(right) & Patrick(left) at head of table opposite Anderson

Katie has a cast on her left arm which is wrapped in a green bandage.

Wine: Red & White
Katie –White
Al- White
Elavia - Red
Bribs – Red
Rob – Red
It’s becoming difficult to see who drinks what wine because sometimes they have two glasses filled with red and white wine, as well as a glass of water.

Seating at Elimination
Farthest from camera
1st Row: Al, Dorothy, Rob, Elavia, Patrick, Lisa
2nd Row: Bribs, Heather, Darwin, Bill, Myra, Katie

Total Pot: $91,000
Lisa is eliminated.

Donut

Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mssil thanks for all this work!!
If you want more work, or if anyone wants to take this up, i would love to see two things:

1}: a review of everyones comments during voting(or at least all the statement of who they are suspicious of) It could help to see who everyone thinks is the mole, so that when they leave we will know who they were wrong about.

2): A list of shots of katies red fingernails
Since a shot of her red nails was shown during a convo with Patrick on his exec. nite, i would like to see if they flash on her nails everynight when she talks to the executee.

btw, wink, i like your AKA Bill theory!!

Mssilhouette

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Oh sure more work! Well since I might have taped over the very first show last night...I'll try and get the comments for show 2-5

Some additional information I forgot to post.

The Mole EPISODE 2:
Order of players appearance in show’s intro:
Al
Heather
Bribs
Elavia
Bill
Katie
Rob
Lisa
Ali
Patrick
Myra
Darwin
Dorothy