Archive through January 23, 2001
The ClubHouse: The Mole: Clues?:
Archive through January 23, 2001
Epi | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 05:22 am  I'm not sure what to make from any of the clues that we have seen in the first show. I didn't tape the show, but I seem to remember Charlie saying that he was going to vote for Wendy? I think. Well if this is what he really did, putting all of his votes on the same person, if who he voted for was not the correct person doesn't that mean he must be the mole? I also don't understand why the producers would want the mole to sabotage any of the challenges, Won't the show be much more exciting if the winner is to receive 100's of thousands of dollars as opposed to 10's of thousands? |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 05:43 am  The mole is the sabateur because that is the game itself. Without that there would be no show, no contest, nothing to figure out. They ALL are trying to confuse each other. They want the other players to get fewer questions correct so they can remain and win the money. Charlie announcing that he will vote for Wendi means nothing. Maybe he did, most likely not. The questions are best answered with more that one player in mind at this point. While the numbers are still high this is possible. That will change as they are eliminated. Anyone familiar how the European show progressed? Any ties in the elimination process. Seems likely. |
Enbwife | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 06:50 pm  Lots of clues tonight... This is what I caught: Jennifer - disappears from the Castle apparently looking for others. Doesn't come back even when they are all calling for her. Shows up after they run out of time. Also, running in maze, does not turn around even after Jim tells her to 3 times!!! Jim - disappears with van, leaving Catherine and Afi stranded for a long time. Kate - has much difficulty getting back up the hill to return to the Cartier watches. Catherine is suspicious of her thinking she was overly huffing and puffing. Steve - tells the chopper crew he can hear the chopper when he is in a totally different city. How could he hear the chopper from that far away? I'm beginning to lean towards Jennifer or Jim being the mole after tonight's episode. |
Egbok77 | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 08:50 pm  I say Jennifer. My boys say Jim. And I hate to see another player get executed!! Poor Afi!! |
Kitt | Tuesday, January 16, 2001 - 09:03 pm  I thought Wendi not being able to hear Afi's voice during the maze was suspicious. |
Scribe | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 03:47 am  Enb - Thanks for the confidence...I think you'll have it though...me I'll just waffle back and forth ... analysing the clues so well that each time i will convince myself someone else is the Mole. I left a long response in the "Episode II" on last nights episode and won't repeate here. But going forward, would like to know from you all if this or the Episode number will be the best place to leave weekly thoughts. Thanks. Good game. I always loved Clue. Now I have live people not plastic playing pieces!  |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 04:52 am  I think the producers will manipulate us each week. When all is said and done every player will have their time in the spotlight to look guilty. We also don't know how much manipulation is going on behind the scenes. Wendi and Jennifers sound may have been purposely cut off to cast doubt in their direction. We heard Wendi saying she could not hear and saw her suspicion of Afi when her headphones cut back in. We didn't see Jen make this claim but it could have been the editing. Jim didn't hear her so they could have cut both their ability to communicate. Charlie was doing his dective work with the production van and his startle, when caugh, looked authentic. He is still not a suspect in my book and this was further confirmation I reserve the right to change my mind every week and I am sure this is the goal of the production company. We are at the mercy of their manipulation. I think the way to figure this is not to look at the sabotage itself, as all players will be set up in some way. But rather watch for signs of stepping out of character. Jens reactions to blowing the challenge was getting defensive. It looked weak. I would guess that any player, inocently screwing up, would feel terrible and respond strongly no matter what the response. |
Twiggyish | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 11:10 am  Couldn't the "detective" work of Charlie be a ploy of some sort? Sort of makes you think...hmmmmmm |
Kitt | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 01:09 pm  Who was the guy who shouted at Charlie not to look in the van? Was it another player or the camera man? |
Enbwife | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 03:56 pm  Scribe - I think this thread is the best place to leave our weekly thoughts on clues, and the Episode # threads is a good place just to chat about the shows. That way all the clues will be in one thread rather than jumping around, and we can come here regularly to sort through any "clues"... Kitt - not sure who yelled at Charlie. Charlie seems too clean to me... Maybe something's up with him? |
Phfffft | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 07:15 pm  The one thing I cannot shake when watching this show is that it can be edited to arouse our suspicions in any way the editor sees fit. For example, during the search, Steve comments that 'he can't hear because of the chopper noise'. Immediately, some assume he is claiming the chopper is near him. They make a big deal out of this. I think he meant that he could not hear the transmission of the contestants IN the chopper trying to talk with him on the phone, because of the chopper background noise. This makes sense and is perfectly logical. I think this was something taken out of context and played-up to create suspense. Any other interpretation means Steve was lying intentionally and must be the mole. Too obvious. I feel manipulated!!! Lets hope the real clues are more subtle. |
Scribe | Wednesday, January 17, 2001 - 08:37 pm  Phfft I thought of that..the chopper sound in the helicopter...but I think, if you look back, that the chopper was not communicating directly with Steven but it was Jim(?) on the ground ...I am just too tired tonight to go back and review the tape..I will tomorrow...and check on this...but I thought of that last night and did look over the tape and I think I ruled that out because the one on the phone with Steven was not in the helicopter itself...anyway my opinion is so wishy washy at this point that anyones guess is more likely better than mine. Enb thanks, I will put the clues here next week (or this week as I continually change my mind....) The one guy I just don't think is the Mole is Charlie...just a total gut reaction... I do think Jen responded oddly when she screwed up the challenge...I agree, I would have been so remorceful...her reaction was inappropriate and sounded fake.... At this point she tops my list of suspects (Fruitbats comments resulted in me removing Stevan from the probably list...)... I agree the editing can plays on the process...and I thik that has to be factored in (what 10 original contestants and the show itself make 11 contestants)... but the show will loose in the end if they manipulate the process to much and make it impossible for the viewers to get at least close to the answer... I think we will be able to figure the thing out before the end ...but perhaps not be sure so we will keep watching ...
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Sandyc | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:39 am  While they were supposedly answering the questions about the mole they showed brief interviews about who some of them believed to be the mole. Granted, these could have been selectively edited too, but the executed one, Henry, thought that Steve was the Mole. Either Steve isn't or Henry answered the questions all wrong. I like this fast paced, challenging show. I find TI totally boring. |
Sandyc | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:42 am  Sorry... Had my names mixed up. Afi was executed - she answered that Henry was the mole. She was wrong. Completely ignore my last post. Too early in the morning... |
Fruitbat | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 02:55 pm  Actually Scribe, I think Jens defense reaction was NOT fake. It is a behavior some exhibit when attacked. I am not sure it would be an acting choice. Remorse, sadness, apology, horror....anyone of those would be better. Just a hunch. Defensiveness is not an attribute that is comfortable to acknowledge in retrospect. The others are feelings we feel comfortable with. They show us as sincere and kind, not insecure, combative and immature. I have ruled out Henry and Charlie so far. Maybe Kathryn. I waffle with the others. I have Wendi in my site today. I think the clues lie in the reactions and emotions of the players, not in the acts of sabotage themselves. Some of those will be real, executed by the mole, others manipulated by the production and others honest mistakes. It will be hard to tell the difference. I am convinced we will see everyone have an equal number "sabotage's". |
Kady99 | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 03:09 pm  Right now I think Wendi is the mole because they seem to show her more on camera. It was suspicious to me how one second she couldn't hear her partner in the maze than as soon as she was caught by the guards she could hear. Also she had become close to Afi and look who had to leave. Of course I may change my mind next week. |
Scribe | Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 06:30 pm  Fruit...I don't disagree about Jen's reaction but there were a few seconds (your reaction theory) when she just appeared back from the heliport that she sort of looked like a dear in the headlights...and I just thought she was oddly "slow" to pick a reaction, whatever that was... remember she came back...stopped a few seconds, didn't seem to react, someone told her it was over, and then she just started to jump at the prison door and say lets ruch or something...it was just odd. Now I am glad that you have ruled out Charlie, henry and maybe even Kathryn. I agree with you. But I seem to be in the minority since other board polls seem to have kathryn as the top candidate for the Mole. I don't have that sense about her right now. I also just don't feel it about Kate either. I have to say that Steven, Wendi and Jen were right in my sight after Tuesdays show. But you or Enb or Lance convinced me that Steven probably isn't the Mole (although Steven lied about the Helicopter I am sure). But Wendi and Jen are pretty strong picks for now. I think we should coin an acronym for "Of course I reserve the right to change my mind twenty times a day!" (ocIrtrtcmmttaday)
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Fruitbat | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 03:37 am  I do remember that deer in the headlights look, now that you mention it. You may be right. And for the very reasons I stated. You can flop that either way. She is not one to grovel, so her choice in acting would be anger because that comes easily. We certainly have seen her testy side. A major clue is in how Afi answered the questions. Her reactions were most likely edited as it would give away someone to eliminate. It may be impossible to figure out the Mole until much further down the line, if at all. We do not see enough. Love the acronym. |
Scribe | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 04:26 am  Thanks Fruit. I agree, no way ABC will let us figure it out too early ... I mean even if we somehow we hit on the right one ... it will be by chance ... they will edit it to be sure to send in enough redhearrings to keep us all guessing. I never authored an acronym before. What do you think? is the "I" capitalized or not . |
Fruitbat | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 04:40 am  I think we could shorten it to.....OY. That would eliminate the "I" dilema. |
Putterboy | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 06:27 pm  hey fruit--where are you at 440 am?/ must have strange work hours or like me sometimes cant sleep to well??? Im still sticking with Henry and Jen and will observe them closely next tues.just checked time of my post and it was 625 am, i dont get it??/ |
Putterboy | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 06:31 pm  no im 630 pm and where I live is 930pm so it is calif time which means Fruit was postint at 130 am edt<,right? |
Fruitbat | Saturday, January 20, 2001 - 04:48 am  Putterboy. I am EST and the board is on California time PST. I was posting at 7:40 am here when the board said 4:40 am. Board time is 3 hours earlier than EST. |
Enbwife | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 06:31 pm  So, a whole new set of clues suddenly appear... Steven and Jim refusing their challenge... Interesting! The forgotten socks... what are you guys thinking now? I was sad to see Wendi get the boot tonight... |
Digilady | Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 06:40 pm  The SOCKS. TOgether with last weeks episode... one person involved with both. Gay chick, what's er name. I really like her as The Mole |
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