Clues?

The ClubHouse: The Mole: Clues?
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Putterboy

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 07:05 pm Click here to edit this post

No woman would shave her head if she was getting married. Jim and Steve are now high on my list as I observed my other top picks, Henry and Jennefer who did nothing suspicious.

Scribe

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 07:34 pm Click here to edit this post

Ok here's the deal. I'm too tired to really think this through tonight. I already wrote my thoughts and then somehow the post didn't go through...my fault..just underscores how tired I am. Nevertheless here are my initial reactions to tonight.

Jen and Steven remain my number one suspects.

Charlie and Henry remain out. ABC probably wouldn't encourage the Mole to get drunk and be really unkind to Kate...fearing mostly that the Mole woould blab something about the game...Charlie remains out. Henry I never really suspected him ever. I have no reason to suspect him now either.

Kate was a good sport looks better with green hair...but taking on all 4 challenegs does not increase or decrease the likelyhood of her being the Mole. Anyway, i didn't suspect her before and won't now.

Kathryn's refusal to have her hair shaved off..was perfectly understandable...she has nice hair, is getting married soon, and doesn't appear to be a Sinaed O'Connor type (sp?)...she's been low on my radar up to now and remains so.

Jim, hmmm, hmm....could be but not one of my top suspects.

Jen's been involved in two challenegs where there was one failure and one almost failure and the "mistakes" have been the type that I would think would be a "sabotage" effort...91) went to the wrong side of the island and then got back to the prison door a nano second after the time had elapsed...(2) this week all the laundry is completed and then suddenly a pair of socks are found...

Frankly, I think Steven is my prime suspect though.

He plain out lied last week about hearing the helicopter...I looked back over the tapes this week and no way the noise of Jen and Charlie's real helicopter could have been heard by Steven...Steven spoke to Jim on the ground by cell phone and Afi was talking to Charlie over the two way radio...And then I thought he took the "abduction" too much in stride.. and he just doesn't seem to be particularly engaged...And then this week..he decides he can't take his clothes off ... give me a break ... for $40,000 and for the team... I think it very suspicious that he wouldn't go through with the challenge.

So Steven is #1 this week

Jen is # 2

Jim a distant # 3.

Did I get them all?

IY, IY, IY!!!!

Jimmer

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 09:18 pm Click here to edit this post

If you go by weak performances in the challenges, I'd agree Steve has to be the number one choice for being the Mole. Refusing to pose nude was really hard to believe.

However, there is always the somewhat unlikely possibility that he is just throwing some of the challenges to fool the others. I'd say that that this is the toughest part in figuring out who the Mole really is. Jen looks like number two based on her disappearance on the second show.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 09:35 pm Click here to edit this post

Scribe, thanks for that run-down! I see Steven's name pooping up more and more. Did you start that charge, or did someone else?

Jimmer, new poster?? Welcome aboard! (no pun intended)

Seamonkey

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 11:27 pm Click here to edit this post

I also thought that Steven was totally lame to not pose nude, cameras or not.. you have to
at least consider him as the MOLE.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 06:23 am Click here to edit this post

Rats...I posted on the other thread about my suspitions. I won't repeat here but....I'll add more

Stevan is looking a tad too obvious for me today. He is on my list but the editing may be creating this. Not in last nights episode but the abduction challenge of last week. Not sure that Stevan did not hear another helicoper. He was next to the landing pad and there had to be at least 2 in the air, on for filming. He could have heard that one. He mentioned that it was so loud that he could not hear well. The production could have just started one already on the ground for the call. We didn't hear it but sound editing could have taken it out so we could hear the voices and create suspition.

It is really hard to know what to lengths they go to create doubt.

Jim refusing the casts? Ridiculous. No big deal, he already jumped out of a plane and fought a bull. Is he going to refuse to eat chocolate cake next week?

Cinnamongirl

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 08:07 am Click here to edit this post

I agree Fruitbat... Refusing the casts!! I couldn't believe it. I could understand Steven not wanting to pose nude (because I know I couldn't) or Kate not shaving her head, but not the 2 casts. That was shocking.

Bigdaddydrool

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 11:21 am Click here to edit this post

After the latest episode, I would have to say Jim is the prime suspect.
I think it would benefit everyone to take a look at what we know so far concerning each contestant and things they’ve done or haven’t done. I apologize for this being so long, but I am trying to lay everything I remember on the table.
I think we can safely rule out Manuel, Afi, and Wendi now. Besides, I felt from the first time I saw her that Wendi was too much of a ditz to be the mole. I’m not trying to be mean, that was just my observation.
I missed the first half of the first show because I had to work late, so I can’t include incidents from that part of the show. However, I did get home in time to catch the second half.
Kathryn looked to be working too hard to make sure the money task was completed. She kept double checking the numbers in the ATM PIN challenge, and caught the error and corrected it. If she were the mole, that would have been the perfect time to strike.
She also didn’t seem to want to blow the watch challenge, wanting to confirm they were correct. I don’t think she was wanting to delay the group, instead, wanting confirmation, much as she did during the first challenge.
I also don’t blame her for not agreeing to shave her head. This is not a reason to suspect her, and I think we can remove her from the list of suspects.
Charlie is nothing more than a crotchety old fart. He spent the first episode pointing the finger around the table at everyone else, almost as if he wanted to draw attention to himself. He also nearly jumped out of his skin when the camera man caught him snooping through the production crew’s vehicles.
I also think the pair of socks just got overlooked. It was something to throw suspicion in his direction. And I don’t think the mole would have allowed himself to get gored by a bull.
The things he said about Kate were downright mean spirited, but since he was in a condition where he was being ‘honest’ I think he might have spilled the beans that he was the mole. I think we can safely knock him off the list.
It has been pretty well established now that Henry and Jennifer don’t like each other. There was the big BCH incident where Jennifer ran away from the helicopter, instead of towards it, but at the same time, Henry did not tell the group to land at the helicopter like he said he would. There was also an argument as to whether or not he offered her the radio.
But Henry came through during the laundry challenge, and he came through during the watch challenge. He seems to love challenges, and loves working through them. I would have to say that the BCH incident was just the two people not communicating with each other, and their dislike coming through. I do think it is funny how these two keep ending up with each other.
That leads us to Jen. Did she run the wrong way intentionally? Did she throw the maze game intentionally? As far as the helicopter goes, I think she honestly believes she saw a shortcut back. I just don’t think she found it. I think she and Henry were both being horse’s pitooties during that game. I also think there was another reason she failed the maze game, which I will get to momentarily.
Jen, along with Henry, did come through on the laundry challenge. They even came through it together, which is kind of surprising. I think because they are learning to work together, both of these people can be taken off the list of suspects. I think the initial animosity got in the way here.
Kate is way too quiet. In addition, during the watch challenge, she kept insisting they double the amount of time to get back up the hill. She could have very easily not said a word, then huffed and puffed her way back up.
The thing that I think eliminates her from contention was last night and the fact that she did all of the challenges herself. She had no idea whether the group failed or not. I think the motivating factor for her was the exemption. If she were the mole, I think she would have declined on doing the tasks, knowing she was exempt anyway. It would have been interesting to see if she would have shaved her head, though.
As far as Steven goes, the first thing people point out is that he lied about the helicopter. The question is, are you sure he lied? He was wearing an iron mask while trying to talk on a cell phone. I imagine the mask made it hard to hear to begin with. When he was on the phone with Jim, he said he couldn’t hear because of the helicopter. He never said there was a helicopter above him or outside, he just couldn’t hear because of it. Consider this, could the sound of the helicopter been coming through the cell phone from Jim’s end, thus drowning Jim out?
If he was the mole, when the helicopter did come, why did he stick the flag out of the window to signal them. He could very easily have not done a thing, and his teammates would have been none the wiser.
As far as the posing nude thing, to some people it is a big deal to be seen naked by other people. Some people are very conscious of their bodies. I know I wouldn’t have done. Then again, I wouldn’t have jumped out of the perfectly good airplane, either.
One of the question in the quiz in episode two asked what the initial mode of transportation was for the mole. I realize Steve was taken away in a van, but the context of the question would seem to suggest that Steve is not the mole. Besides, none of the players knew he was taken away in a van.
Which brings us to Jim. The helicopter pilot. The only one of two people who say he could be the mole.
During the ATM challenge, he led Afi off to the left. I have read several French speaking people say they swear they heard the woman say to go right. Jim led Afi off to the left. Was he trying to throw the challenge? Maybe not. He may have been trying to make it time would be tight, and it would be harder to complete the challenge.
When the challenge was complete, he did suggest the three of them take the money hostage in exchange for an exemption from the execution. On the first two shows, there is no mention of exemptions at all. Until Kate’s challenge this last week. I wonder where he had that idea planted in his head……
During the BCH challenge, Jim disappeared with the van for awhile. Again, was he just trying to delay the group just long enough for them to fail the challenge without being overt about it?
Did Jen fail to respond to Jim’s directions in the maze, or was she not responding because he was giving her directions that didn’t make sense to her? For example, Jim may have been telling her to turn left when there was a wall on her left. The result is, she gets confused, starts running in circles, and they fail the challenge.
Jim also wussed out on the simplest of the “unpleasant” challenges by failing to wear two casts for one day. That, to me would have been no big deal.
The bottom line here is that so far, Jim has disappeared or failed a challenge on each of the three shows that were aired. Much more than any single person on the team. I think that makes him the definite front runner.

Willi

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:38 pm Click here to edit this post

Could it be?
Could I be right?

Jim for the win...Yahoo!

What do I win again?

:)

Willi

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:38 pm Click here to edit this post

<a swift kick in the pants does NOT count>

Deedee

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 07:47 pm Click here to edit this post

I think the mole is Henry. This is why. At the beginning of the first show they defined a mole as establishing a cover before beginning espinoge. So I didn't look for any sabatoge in the first challanges. I did note that Henry was non-commital on staying out in Paris until the others had voiced their opinion and the majority did not want to lose the $10K. Then he became outspoken for not throwing away the $. (perhaps establishing a cover). In the rescue Steven challange, he is the one who told Jim that they were landing the heli. He and Jennifer argued about what she actually said. (Landing would mean no time to get to the correct town). Later, he tells Jennifer that he is cool with her going to meet the others. As soon as the others arrive he starts telling them Jennifer is going to blow this for them. (Note, when he is telling the others to come up and asks if they see him, he does not mention that Jen is heading to meet them.) In the watch chalange he was supportive of Kate taking her time to get up the hill.(letting the clock die the easy way?) In the Bull fight, he volunters to go first. Then tells the other it is difficult. (maybe throwing suspicion to someone else and hoping the difficulty will make someone else not do the chalange throwing suspicion to someone else). In the laundry chalange. If Herny hid the pair of socks, Jen would think Charlie because they were in Charlie's bag. But Charlie would think Jen because of his vocal comments about filing away the information on Jen when she was late at the rescue Steven chalange.
Having finished my mini novel, I can see that using this same info, a case can be made that Jennifer is the mole.

Henry is the Mole (maybe unless it is Jennifer)

Debi4514

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 08:15 pm Click here to edit this post

I wish I taped the last episode, Who did Wendy say she was suspicious of? Who ever that was could not be the mole.

Phfffft

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 10:02 pm Click here to edit this post

More than one player may be trying to throw the challenges.
Consider this: Player A thinks they know the identity of the mole. Player A would want to confuse others, and could do this by throwing suspicion towards himself/herself.
Heck, even if Player A doesn't have a good guess at the identity of the mole, Player A knows that they, personally, are not the mole.
Player A would gain an advantage by convincing others that he/she (Player A) IS the mole. Player A's goal would be to get the others to answer the questionnaire with Player A in mind, increasing Player A's chances of getting the most right.
Do you think any of them has figured this out? Or am I the last one to realize this?

Scribe

Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 04:30 am Click here to edit this post

I agree Phfffft...just another level of analysis needed...

Fruitbat

Thursday, January 25, 2001 - 05:32 am Click here to edit this post

I am sure they realize this. In another thread I talked about personal strategies. Sorry if this is a repeat. The actual act of sabatoge itself means little because of this very fact. Also it is possible the production company is staging somethi ngs to make sure everyone has their time when the spotlight of suspicion is upon them. They could have turned the sound off the mikes in the maze to cast doubt on Wendi and Jennifer, for instance.

Kiari

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 03:11 pm Click here to edit this post

I found a clue or a major oversite on behalf of abc.
I taped last weeks episode and was watching it again today to refresh my memory for tonight and I noticed that in the opening credits of the show where they introduce all the players and their occupations they completely left out Jim.?.?.? Is it because he is the mole as my boyfriend thinks?
Keep an eye on it tonight and see if everyone is in it.

Max

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 03:26 pm Click here to edit this post

maybe, maybe not. could be they are putting out some stuff to fake us out like the original survivor did. only time will tell.

i do sorta like jim for the mole, tho.

Dilligaf

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 05:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Steven is the mole!!!!! He is a major saboteur!!

Twiggyish

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 06:05 pm Click here to edit this post

Dilli, go read my idea on the other thread (Your take on the players) on Steve and let me know what you think.

Scribe

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 06:16 pm Click here to edit this post

East Coast episode 4 is over and I MISSED the FIRST 40 minutes....just got home from work...no rushing would get me there sooner...I will have to depend on the sharp eyes and keen memories of all others. My thanks are given in anticipation. Thanks.

Resortgirl

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 06:29 pm Click here to edit this post

There first challenge was to choose someone to stay behind and do nothing. They chose Kate. She was put in a church and locked to a chair. There mission was to save her. She was told she could gain immunity again if when all of them (that were still "alive, there were snipers after them) made it to the church she had to take them to another building to ring a bell and they would win $30,000??. She could on the other hand take the gun they provided her and shoot the remaining members of the group who came to rescue her and win immunity therefore losing all the money. They were all taken out quickly except for Jennifer and Steven. Jennifer made it to the church first and wanted Kate to tell her how to get to the other building..Kate was pretty cagey about it but finally answered. Jennifer also wanted to know if she could carry the gun to protect them and Kate said no, she had to carry it. They waited for Steven who had told them he would check in every minute and if he wasn't there shortly to consider him dead... At this point it is unclear if Jennifer is really trying to contact him or putting on show or if Steven is purposely not responding. Jenifer and Kate assume he is dead and take off for the other building to ring the bell. Kate does not properly protect Jennifer with the gun which thoroughly pissed Jennifer off. Jennifer is killed right outside the building. They go inside and wait for the others... tempers flair over kate not protecting Jennifer when Steven comes in.. it comes to there attention that he is NOT dead and Kates starts blasting him with the gun. The host has to step in and stop it to explain that they had lost anyway because they didn't wait at the church for all the remaining alive people. Then Kate has to explain that she had a chance to win immunity if she took them all out , forfieting the money.....

Enbwife

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 06:30 pm Click here to edit this post

Scribe - check the weekly summary section. I'll have my post in there within 30 minutes.

Dilli - I'm with you on this one. I'm totally leaning towards Steve tonight. Him not responding in the first challenge was a clear give away for me. I'm still suspicious of Jennifer, but not as much as last week. I'm also not leaning towards Jim anymore.

Clues tonight were Steve not responding. Can't think of any others right of the top of my head.

Resortgirl

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 06:33 pm Click here to edit this post

Of course they were not very happy with her, only Jim defended her asking them what they would do in that situation and to point out the winning the game was after all the goal.... I don't know if I'm very good at this so I will let someone else take over at this point.

Egbok77

Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 09:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Hey Resortgirl, keep sharing your thoughts. We're all in the same boat ~~~ we don't know who the Mole is and were trying to analyze and compare notes. You are indeed doing a good job!

I'm leaning toward Steven but now Kathryn has caught my eye. All in all, this is a fun show to watch and try to guess who The Mole really is.

Scribe

Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 04:48 am Click here to edit this post

Thanks to all. I will of cousre check episode 4 recount...even with only 15 minutes viewing..i am still with Jennifer/Steven as my main choises with them flip flopping week/hour /second by second....

Thanks.

Kiari

Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 07:10 am Click here to edit this post

I think it is more than obvious who is NOT the Mole now..
Katheryn-NOT, or why would she care about the production book
Kate-NOT, or why would she care about exemptions.
Charlie-NOT, or why was he snooping arround the Van

That leaves Jim Jennifer and Steve.
I would be willing to bet it is Jim.

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 06:09 pm Click here to edit this post

They are setting this show so that there are clues all over the place, contradictory ones.

Is Anderson the mole?

Willi

Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 06:14 pm Click here to edit this post

lol Ocean!

My son just said the same thing! :)

Twiggyish

Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 06:15 pm Click here to edit this post

Someone else thought that, too. It is pointing more towards Steve. He just seems smug about everything.

Nancy091158

Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 06:18 pm Click here to edit this post

LOL OI..(nice snow yesterday eh?)...I think its steve....

;-)

Digilady

Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 06:36 pm Click here to edit this post

YOW! Missed the entire episode except for where my #1 pick is out.

That leaves Steven, I suppose. Anything happen on tonight's show that pointed at him?

Enbwife

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 09:35 am Click here to edit this post

I'll be typing a show summary soon... I just got back from my trip. :)

Enbwife

Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 07:26 pm Click here to edit this post

Okay - new clues from tonight:
Jim picked up a book, then put it right back even though there was a ticket to the carriage in there.
Charlie did not follow Kate's directions to shoot the aggressor.
Charlie went to stop # 2 instead of # 3 in "error" and almost lost the challenge.
Kathryn did not shoot the aggressor when he walked right past her, since her safety was still on.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 10:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Also, Steven called out that there were clearly 4 people in the vehicle when one had long ago been dropped off!