Guruchaz | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 07:50 am  Well, some of the names are screwy. Audrey Buckle signs her name as Andie Buckle (I guess that could be a nickname)and then she states that her cousin, Renee Clubek, is designated as the beneficiary. Yet, when her cousin supposedly later writes, the name signed is Irene Clubek. My first question is: Is Renee Clubek and Irene Clubek the same person? |
Newamush | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 07:56 am  My question is: Does the clue have to do with the fact that Renee/Irene supposedly lived in Gibraltar but her letter is sent from Ontario? |
Newamush | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 07:57 am  Nevermind,,,,disregard that question |
Elitist | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:02 am  Hey guys, since we only have 15 questions, maybe we should discuss before we ask. I am assuming that is 15 question total, not per person. |
Newamush | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:04 am  That's what I thought, but since there were no instructions given about that, I think we just got carried away. Instructions????? |
Hostess1 | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:09 am  <oooops> Making you a new folder for your 15 questions that you get, total. Not each! (but nice try) <snark> PS - you get ONE hint! Use wisely, when ready. |
Juju2bigdog | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:17 am  I was just gonna tell gu to hold up too. Howeever, I do think whether Irene and renee clubek are the same person is a good question to ask. I would make the signature on the purported audrey buckle handwriting to be Audie, rather than andie, and a more plausible nickname for audrey, but I don't have a 19" monitor. We have about 32 hours to solve this. Let's get our questions together before we ask them. (did we get charged for the Irene, renee question?) |
Elitist | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:18 am  No we shouldn't have - there is now a folder for our questions. I like Guru's question too, but lets make sure it is the first one we want to ask. |
Juju2bigdog | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:20 am  I'll go look at handwriting to see if any of them write similarly. Good, New. I did not catch the gibraltar Ontario thing. sometimes charting is a good manner of solving puzzles. write everything down in your own logical manner and see what pops out. betcha spam could chart it. |
Spamgirl | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:25 am  Are you sure it's ANDIE and not AUDIE?? might be a nickname... Isn't it kind of weird how long it took the sister (i think she's the sister??) to ask for the money? 7 months in fact... Maybe it has to do with the crossed out "beneficiaries"? A little Freudian slip? Maybe the signatures of Ernie and Audrey were too similar? Maybe his was forged? Maybe it has to do with how she didn't put a beneficiary if they died together - because she knew they wouldn't? I think the Irene/Renee thing is definately weird... maybe she forgot what her name was supposed to be?!? |
Spamgirl | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:27 am  Just a note of the timeline, in case it becomes important: 25-Sep sent letter requesting addition to policy 1-Oct got reply asking for signature 12-Oct reply from audrey 15-Oct changes effective 12-Nov confirmation 25-Jul ernie dead 29-Jul death told to company 18-Mar letter to company from irene 31-Mar new address effective 2-Apr complaint lodged |
Newamush | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:29 am  I'm also wondering if it has something to do with the fact that Audreys body wasn't found Could Audrey and Renee be the same person? Did Ernie really request the additional insurance or did his wife claiming it was him? But then the question arises, what evidence did Christine have to prove that. Also, the letter from "Audie/Andie" is in a type face not a signature. At least that's the way it looks to me. |
Juju2bigdog | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:30 am  Add some years to the dates, Spam. |
Spamgirl | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:31 am  ok ju it was excel - it was sent to not include years... i didn't even notice Here it is: 25-Sep-92 sent letter requesting addition to policy 1-Oct-92 got reply asking for signature 12-Oct-92 reply from audrey 15-Oct-92 changes effective 12-Nov-92 confirmation 25-Jul-93 ernie dead 29-Jul-93 death told to company 18-Mar-94 letter to company from irene 31-Mar-94 new address effective 2-Apr-94 complaint lodged
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Misslibra | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:34 am  Yes I was taken notes, writng down time lines. Like Juju said looking at the handwritings again. Also the fact they never found her body. |
Juju2bigdog | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:35 am  Juju just looking at handwriting and spouse needs to go for walk on beach. arrrggghhh, ain't real life an annyonace? so far only got that christine cooper and Audie buckle are not the same writer. also, note that one of the beaver life letters is signed by Jack somebody for christine. Later, Juju2walkingonbeachdog seriously, Spam, if you could somehow chart it in a way that we could add things to the chart, it might get clearer. Just a suggestion. gotta go for now. |
Misslibra | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:37 am  New your on to something because it seem that the insurance company was doing their communications with him, but It seems the wife was the one doing all the communicating with the company on her own. |
Guruchaz | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:37 am  Let's not confuse ourselves with speculation here. The first obvious thing I noticed was that "Audie" said her cousin's name was Renee, but when the cousin later wrote it was signed Irene. |
Elitist | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:38 am  My guess is that Audrey isn't dead, and that Irene and she are the same - but that is just an assumption - what is the clue that gives it away? Or is that a red herring throwing us off the track of the real criminal? |
Misslibra | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:39 am  I bet the Husband didn't even know this was going on. |
Spamgirl | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:45 am  juju - add things? just tell me, i can add it... |
Spamgirl | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:46 am  I just ASSUMED the wife was the killer... Nod, ML... i don't think he had any idea |
Misslibra | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:51 am  So the names are not right, the fact that they haven't found her body don't help either. I think those are, our two of our major clues. There are a lot of red flags, and I think if the women at the insurance company hadn't reported it, she wouldn't of been doing her job. |
Misslibra | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:53 am  I agree the wife has to be the killer, might of had some help even. |
Elitist | Monday, January 15, 2001 - 08:56 am  I thought maybe the spelling of beneficiary might be a clue, but it doesn't look like it. Can someone double check this? |