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Twiggyish

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 12:45 pm Click here to edit this post

I just read Elitist's Ramblings of a Madman and cannot figure out how he is drawing his conclusions. His statement that those who "support" the Stars threads are somehow part of a faction? ***Moonies****..lol (I just thought of a name)
Personally, I don't align with any group. If I like a thread, such as the Stars thread, it is because it interests me. I think Moon is a nice person and I happen to agree with a lot of her posts. But, she doesn't influence who I support.
As a matter of fact, until I read the Ramblings post, I was not aware of a Moon/Ocean Alliance. Also, there are "Techy" people I like as well. Maybe because I am in a technical business myself..The "Funner" group, might that be Guru? Well Guru is a riot and though I don't agree with him all the time, I think he is someone I could support.
I think Elitist (who I also like) is generalizing too much on this one. As I posted in another thread, I don't have a favorite, yet. Unlike the last game, I am not deciding on anyone. I think there are many undecided people out there.
How would he happen to know who we like or dislike, based on what thread we post under?

Norwican

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 01:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Sounds like he has his Richard (from Survivor) hat on today

Twiggyish

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 01:02 pm Click here to edit this post

lol Oh yeah..shhhhh we have strategies

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 01:19 pm Click here to edit this post

By his definition, funners are people who really don't belong to either of the other two groups and who just go with whomever they happen to like--no "alliances" or friendships used. Funners would go by who they think is playing the best game without regards to personal likes.

So, for Moon to be a funner, she'd have to be willing to vote Ocean off if he wasn't playing as good of a game as the others---and she would have to put aside any friendship in determining that.

I don't think he's completely on target, although I can see how he came up with the idea from what he saw out here all the time he posted and was in chat. After all, that is all there is to go by.

Moondance

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:20 pm Click here to edit this post

How could he come up with that, Lance form Post and Chat...Ocean never goes into my *Star* thread and he rarely posts anything after me, etc. He is in his own league! LOL As far as me supporting Ocean, I think I haven been quite fair in my posts since Game II has started. I definitely have not been easy on him in the Memoirs! Besides, who listens to me and when have I been forthright with who I am supporting? I think Elitist is just blowing smoke! He is good at that. Oh yeah, I apologize Elit...

Moondance

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:22 pm Click here to edit this post

I also think he has insulted the members here ... we are a smart, strong group and all have minds of our own. I don't think anyone has that kind of influence

Wink

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:30 pm Click here to edit this post

Yes what Moon said.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:40 pm Click here to edit this post

Moon, my example was only that--an example of what I thought Elitist was saying what a funner was. Because you and Ocean have met and talked, and seem to have a friendship type connection, I used you. Tell you what, I'll change the example from you and Ocean to me and Maire, had she played (I used you because Ocean is in the game--had Maire been in, I would have used me as the example). I have no idea if anyone else supports Ocean because you get along with him--that is why I didn't go there, although I guess I could have just for example's sake.

I also don't remember saying I thought he was correct in his assessment. Like I said, he sees things posted and in chat, and draws ideas based on reacts he sees.

Adven39

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 06:13 pm Click here to edit this post

I've read his ramble a few times and I'm still not sure what his point is. He seems to believe he is saying something inflammatory, but, basically, all he is saying is that friends are not likely to vote out people they like because they feel some kind of common bond with them. Why would anyone expect them to?
I think by giving them names like "funners" he is hinting that these groups represent cliques or blocks. Either he is suggesting that there is some sort of plan by these groups to target BG's not in that clique, which is insulting to those people and suggests they are lemmings, or he is merely saying these groups exist on the board and the people in them are likely to vote to keep their friends in, which is merely stating the obvious and renders his argument irrelevant.
Frankly, I have no idea, except in vague terms, what he is saying or what he is concerned about.

Maddie

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 06:59 pm Click here to edit this post

Elitist seems to be trying to get a grip on what the dynamics of the game are and what might be going on inside and outside the game -- fair enough. He seems an intelligent and intuitive guy from what I have observed and it makes sense he would try and figure out the logistics in order to play this game well. :o)

Twiggyish

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 07:09 pm Click here to edit this post

Maddie, I think Adven pretty well summed it up, too.

Moondance

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 07:23 pm Click here to edit this post

I find it interesting though that he is busy putting people into categories and labels ...this is a little demeaning... He keeps complaining that he wants to open up and talk about his life, yet instead I am included on all of his rants and theories ... all right already!

Maddie

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:55 am Click here to edit this post

Ahah! finally I have the missing puzzle piece to why Moon has a bias against Elitist.

I am included on all of his rants and theories ... all right already!
Now I see that Moon thinks Elitist is singling her out!

I do not think so... he seems to be relying on the only resources he has available to him at this time while locked away in one area. This leads me to believe that the genius onboard thinks Ocean is his biggest challenger, because Ocean IS a good player AND he has good outside backing...

If this is how Elitist sees it then I can totally understand - Ocean is his competition AND Moon is backing Ocean - fair nuff! :o)

Lancecrossfire

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 01:07 am Click here to edit this post

This is from one of Elitist's RRs. It was in response to Gator asking a hypothetical nomination. I think this inks it that at least at the time, E. thinks Ocean is the man to beat. Elitist strikes me as someone who is going to play to win the entire way--a strong competitor.

2. Ocean Islands - Ocean has also been scarce, which suprises me. He is also, in my estimation, one of the most serious contenders to win the game. He is well-liked outside, has a strong backer who was in Game I, and is an excellent writer. He is vulnerable right now from the inside due to his absence, and hopefully will be vulnerable on the outside for the same reason. This may be the only chance to banish him, especially if he becomes more active in the house.

Lalavoom

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:44 am Click here to edit this post

O Maddie!! You are stirring up some trouble! You go girl!
You do it in such a nice way too.
I like your style.
You have class.
Just got to lub the classy lassy!

Lalavoom

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 04:18 am Click here to edit this post

You are so articulate Lance!
Lighten up for GodDESS sakes!!
...just trying to bug ya..
...but you knew that didn't you wise one?...
cause you are just so damn wise!
your wisdom overrides my intentional sarcasm.
But then, when is sarcasm ever not intentional you ask?
You answer me Mr. Lance Man.
That was a demand. Not a request.

Moondance

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Hmmm... Maddie you are a bit behind but I am glad that you caught up ... never have I been shy about Elit's constant condescending attitude towards me ... now go read some more posts so you can catch up on everything:)

Wink

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 11:37 am Click here to edit this post

Well Moon you're in good company. Elit has now added JuJu and Az to his list.

Moondance

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 12:02 pm Click here to edit this post

What is it with these Men?... I thought they were smart... Guess not!

Wink

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 12:20 pm Click here to edit this post

Well some of them seem to have a rather grandiose opinion of themselves but no worry. We're gonna fix them. And we'll make it painful too.

Wink

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 12:20 pm Click here to edit this post

Einstein was smart too but as I hear tell a Dufuus in the woman department.

Moondance

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 12:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Wink, you are a Smart Woman!

Tukuul

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 07:37 am Click here to edit this post

Sometimes one can play just a little bit too hard to win if that is the only focus. However, I think Elitist wants more open communication and more people revealing themselves. He started an excellent thread and I believe most people have posted in it, but it just sort of stopped there for the time being.

One of the things I've learned about leadership is if you expect responses or actions from people, you must be willing to share the same actions and responses first and then pick up the slack when it starts to wane to get things going again.

I like Elitist and I'm anxious to see how he handles it.

Tukuul

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 09:21 am Click here to edit this post

Ok, just as I said that, I noticed he made another personal post. That theory is sort of out the window.

I think he has a lot on his mind that he wants to share and Game II seems to be the forum to do it in. The posts are excellent reads.

Bamagirl

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 09:56 am Click here to edit this post

Thanks Tuk...just now getting back on..will go read.