Archive through January 19, 2001

The ClubHouse: The Game II - Mysterious Puzzler: Discussions/Challenges: Ramblings of a Madman: Archive through January 19, 2001

Elitist

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 11:02 am Click here to edit this post

Merlin has asked me to expound on my alliance diatribe in chat last night, so I guess I will spell it out here and damn the consequences.

In the outside board, there are definitely groups of people that run together and support each other. Most groups get along with each other, but there is some animosity between some also. For instance the CBs were such a group, and the animosity toward them from some groups/people became so great that they left the board.

In reality, there are a lot of groups out there and people are member of multiple groups. And those groupings have come with us into the house. Heck, we even have lurkers/newbies in here (though actually the population of lurkers should be more like 8 lurkers and 2 oldtimers).

But now with Game II I believe some of those outside groups have polarized into some significant voting factions.

The first faction I call the Mystics, and they are those that align themselves with the Moon/Ocean pair. The name comes from Moon running the *Star* thread on the outside. Ocean has a distinct advantage coming into the Game, not only because he is well liked but because he had a solid backer who was well liked, and a member of Game I. Those in here that align themselves with this faction will have strong allies in the outside world.

The second faction I call the Technics, mainly because they oppose the Mystic faction. I am not certain who makes up this faction, but I believe there are those out there who are in opposition to the Mystics, and will campaign against them. The question is whether they will organize enough to make a significant voting bloc. I consider myself a member of this faction, mostly due to the running joke about apologizing to Moon and the Star/Einstein thread in here.

The third faction I call the Funners. These are those that are watching the game and don't want to get involved in the Mystics/Technics war. They are here just for fun and will likely vote for the Mystics/Technics candidates as they would a Funner person.

The interesting thing about all this is that these factions will have some very vocal posters outside, but the bulk of the people who are watching and probably voting (if they stay interested long enough) will be lurkers. So it is up to the posters to convince the lurkers who to vote for banishment without alienating them, much like we have to be aware of what we do and say in here so that we don't alienate the viewers and get banished.

Lecture is over.

Misslibra

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:26 pm Click here to edit this post

MissLibra gives Elitist a standing ovation. Great lecture !!

BTW you have it just about right.

Guruchaz

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:30 pm Click here to edit this post

I'll answer this, E. Please be patient. I'm trying to catch up on some other things.

Spamgirl

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:32 pm Click here to edit this post

Only thing I have to say is that most of us here are smart people.. and I don't think there is any group mentality, other than as an entire board... I think people vote for their friends, but not for who their friends tell them to...

Gotta give the viewers (and players) a little more credit than that.

Did this all stem from your Moon fiasco and getting nominated? Or am *I* reading into things? :)

Juju2bigdog

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:33 pm Click here to edit this post




Funners, vote Juju!!!!! Remember, Juju is a former lurker (gone bad), just like you!

Spamgirl

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:34 pm Click here to edit this post

I'll be sure to vote for you on sunday then, Juju ;)

Juju2bigdog

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:38 pm Click here to edit this post

Translation for Newamush - CB's are chat b1tches, and I don't know who they are either. I expect most folks in the house with us do know who they are.

Spamgirl

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:39 pm Click here to edit this post

Nikkid, WCV, AnnaGator, Sara, Petunia

Also run http://www.realityrox.com, so I found out when I came across the site the other day :)

Juju2bigdog

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:41 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks for your vote, Spam. I may not vote for you this time. I don't like to be too predictable.

Spamgirl

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 04:52 pm Click here to edit this post

Grin ju! But if you say you won't vote for me, and the you DON'T vote for me, then you will be predictable.

It's just impossible :)

Merlin

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 05:08 pm Click here to edit this post

I think it is natural for the groups to polarize into a voting faction. A group is formed by some item of common bond anyway. It would be expected that the common bond could also show up in a voting block, but not necessarily so.

I must have been in the funners group because I didn’t see what you refer to as being a war between mystics/technics. But then again I am a newbie/lurker and don’t know it’s a war until the caskets come out and someone is no longer here.

The one thing that has caught my attention is the number of new people in the game that were recently lurkers. What I get out of this is, that it is a relatively open group that participates on tvclubhouse. Setting aside the fact that the old-timers were not jumping in to apply, the thing is the lurkers/newbies felt like they could apply and get in the game.

As a former lurker myself during game 1, I wasn’t influenced in my voting by what supporters or distracters had to say about the players in the game. I voted how I saw each player react in the game.

I think the voters will vote their own choice and not listen to any vocal posters who support a particular group. Agreed Elitist, you have gone mad. Stay out of the hot tub.

Azriel

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 05:31 pm Click here to edit this post

But, was it Moon or Ocean that fired the shots from the grassy knoll?

Misslibra

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 05:48 pm Click here to edit this post

Merlin ... LOL Well then I guess I have gone mad with him, and need to stay out of the hot tub too !

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 05:53 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm afraid that diatribe must have taken place after I went to bed at quarter past midnight, Elitist, because I missed the whole thing.

I don't belong to any faction. My experience spans all groups.

As you know, you and I created the All time incredibly best of the best 'Synchronicity' thread. Without the participation of both of us, the thread would never have been what it was. I'm waiting for similar enlightenment on Einstein! >quark<

You may not realize that Spamgirl and I have a history dating back some time now. Spamgirl was the most ardent participant of a thread which I created called "Riddles" . . . and when that incarnation ran its course, Spamgirl created something even greater.

I chatted on ICQ with Spamgirl long, long before I ever chatted with Moondance.

I may have a mystical side but I also have a very technical side; and, as you may or may not know, I work as a public auditor in one of the world's largest professional firms. One doesn't get far by being a mystic in such a domain.

As far as the Funners go, let me quote Guruchaz from Game I, "You can always be counted on, Ocean Islands," in response to my comment, "Yea, where are all tho$e pu$$ie$?" lol

But this is a very interesting, Elitist. Do you really feel there is a war going on, or are you playing strategy this evening? >snark<

Guruchaz

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 06:07 pm Click here to edit this post

http://www.inthe80s.com/cliques.shtml

Elitist

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:04 pm Click here to edit this post

I actually got a response out of you guys!

Do I believe all this? Probably not, but it makes a good theory.

I do believe the basic assumption, that Moon is a staunch and avid support of Ocean, is true, and if you build from there, this is a possible scenario.

More likely there are about 8 (right now) factions outside of Moon's support for Ocean. Is this some sinister plot? No, at least I hope not.

That's entertainment.

Spamgirl

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:52 pm Click here to edit this post

OK, if you were (practically) my boyfriend, I'd support you too...

Azriel

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:54 pm Click here to edit this post

Darn, you made me get out of the warm hot tub and come over here to post. That's exactly what I was thinking Spam DUH Elite!

Spamgirl

Thursday, January 18, 2001 - 09:56 pm Click here to edit this post

That's like saying that Misha is a "staunch and avid supporter of" ME! Of course she is!

Elitist

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 07:26 am Click here to edit this post

Well, duh, yeah of course. I think some people think I thought this was some sinister plot by Moon and Ocean to steal the game. No, but it is the one fact I am pretty certain of. Of course it would be funny if when we get out, Moon is supporting someone else and castigating Ocean to the nines.

Now if you guys would like to tell me who your absolutely solid supporters are, I can come up with an even wilder, more complex theory that would really keep things hopping.

And you can't say Misha, Spam - cause she is my "staunch and avid supporter" :)

Spamgirl

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 09:48 am Click here to edit this post

The real proof of your theory is:

If OI gets banished, who will Moon support?

Guruchaz

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 09:56 am Click here to edit this post

I think forming clique labels for people is offensive. Like cheap clothes, they may not like the labels you choose.
uh huh huh

Elitist

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 11:40 am Click here to edit this post

That is easy Spam - one of the other Mystics :)

I don't know if I answered Ocean before - please don't take the names as to whether it describes you - it is more a faction name - and they are all based on the original assumption. So if you have Mystics, then there has to be an opposite - Technics - and then the others - The Funners.

Ocean_Islands

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 04:04 pm Click here to edit this post

What is this obsession going on, you guys? Of course Moon supports me; she's the only TV Clubhouse member I have actually met.

I'm not at all clear on where this (what feels to be) animosity is coming from. I'm not aware of having offended you, and I know I have not criticized you.

I actually enjoy you, Elitist, very much as a poster outside the game, as I already said.

I'm wondering if you could delve a little bit more on where this is coming from.

What I have noticed in chat sessions that I attended before the Game began was that, in fact, there were a large number of very vocal supporters who were in chat with you.

I have to admit I'm a bit confused.

I'm beginning to be irritated by your insinuation that if I were to win the game it would have been by stealing: "I think some people think I thought this was some sinister plot by Moon and Ocean to steal the game. No, but it is the one fact I am pretty certain of."

"No, but it is the one fact you're pretty certain of?" Huh?

"Of course it would be funny if when we get out, Moon is supporting someone else and castigating Ocean to the nines."

It would be "funny" if someone who I trust is castigating me to the nines?

What's your problem? Do you find it funny when people get hurt?

I take a lot of pride in trying to treat people fairly. I'm not always successful.

But that desire for fairness and respect for others doesn't mean I'm going to sit around and listen to you say this crap.

Guruchaz

Friday, January 19, 2001 - 05:56 pm Click here to edit this post

!wooooooooopp! !woooooooooopp!

<GuruChaz's GSP detects heavy baiting from this thread>