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Archive through January 19, 2001
Leap | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 11:47 am  I hesitate to post on this issue for fear that it will come back and haunt me. But, what the hell, I can always go back to lurking. From what I can see (and I admit, I am not the most thorough observer), Spam really wants to see this board be successful and fun for everyone. She has tried very hard both inside and outside the game to start and respond to topics. She also did that whole puzzle thing which I enjoyed. That was a huge effort on her part. She is also willing to take on extra responsibilities if asked. Yes, she can be short fused, among other things. I can see where some of you might banish her for these reasons. My belief, however, is that Spam's positive contributions to the board far outweigh the negatives. |
Luckygal | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:01 pm  Spam can be a misery. "Youthful tongue" does not excuse rudeness, nor insults. I think you can express yourself honestly without the tantrums. It makes me uncomfortable to read the chats, where she explodes so much. |
Tukuul | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:04 pm  Who's explosions do you like the most: Gu's or Spam's and why? |
Moondance | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:17 pm  Wink said "when it's a one-note pony" ROTFL...thanks for a great laugh Wink! |
Soeur | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:17 pm  Spam is spam. There is a lot of energy there! The feedback and interaction she encounters here is all part of her learning curve. I think she's great. When she steps over the line she meets an healthy dose of the appropriate oppositional force. My guess is that she will read these comments later, take some of them very personally, react (hopefully not slamming those brave enough to be honest) and progress a little further. That is what makes this place stimulating and interesting. I think it is very hurtful and unkind to flame, insult or belittle others. It just closes off the dialogue. The nice thing about this forum is that we can scroll through the stuff we don't want to read and post where we want. I think learning to negotiate in this environment can have a helpful spillover effect in rl - I've learned quite a bit since logging on... |
Moondance | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:19 pm  But I have raised too many boyfriends, Sis... I am tired!
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Soeur | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:25 pm  Moon, I hear ya. Since this is a public form it is good to have a code of conduct enforced. I really changed my mind about the moderated/unmoderated question after seeing how the whole atmosphere could be wrecked by negative energy. We don't come here for that.  |
Wink | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:42 pm  Soeur I can only hope that since Spam does seem to honestly admire you, that with your wisdom, you can provide a few doses of that "healthy oppositional force" to help enhance her learning curve. |
Soeur | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 12:47 pm  If she ever asks, I will. You also should hang in there with your honest opinions.  |
Wink | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 01:00 pm  Back to things we're surprised about. Why aren't the other BGs probing Merlin a little deeper about the email he says he got? |
Soeur | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 01:04 pm  yea, how can someone send email without source information? that's not possible. Is it? |
Tukuul | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 01:05 pm  Probably because he was so open in announcing it. I don't think too many of the players distrust Merlin. |
Norwican | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 01:09 pm  I was wondering about that too Wink. |
Wink | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 01:10 pm  But he seems to want to talk about it and they're not asking. Can't remember exactly what he posted but it seemed to me he was hinting "ask me" |
Wink | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 01:13 pm  Merlin says "and I failed to mention the advice was about the game". A few more posts then Elitist says "was it any good?" then nada. |
Twiggyish | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:00 pm  hmmmm.. Maybe we should fly a banner asking about Merlin's email? |
Wink | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:26 pm  The thread "Never ending personal stories" is quite compelling. It's nice to see some of this personal type of revelation before voting time comes up. It really goes a long way to humanizing the BGs and I hope they all contribute to it. |
Moondance | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:36 pm  Yes Wink.... refreshing! |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:40 pm  Lots of good input on this thread! There are some things I agree with and some I don't--and then there are those shades of gray for a lot of the thoughts. First of all to answer TuKuul. I don't like either of their explosions. The why of that is basic in nature. Making assumptions that end up being in almost every case, untrue. lack of respect for the others you are blowing up at. Lack of addressing the issue, which often means you don't give a rip about the issue, and just want to go off on the other person. Deciding what others are thinking and feeling without checking to see if there is any accuracy what so ever. (a subset of assumptions without checking facts, although related specifically toward a person) Spam has some great qualities that are stated here by a number of people. Smart, energetic, helpful, a good heart. I feel that she does have a high level of integrity once her head clears. She doesn't intentionally lie. I also like that she stands up for what she believes in. Below is where the rub comes with that. She believes in both the facts she looks through to make sure they are facts, and the snap judgements she does of what she sees, and worse, judgements about others. She does jump to conclusions without finding out any facts first--deciding her version is the facts for all. Jumping others based on that is where the damage comes in. I'm not sure how her youth excuses stating that she hate Joni if she comes in, and that all of this is Joni's fault. Hate is a very strong thing to feel towards someone. And if she doesn't really mean it (in case that is the next thing some might say), why would you say it to begin with? To stir the pot? If stirring the pot requires telling everyone you hate a person for joining a game, them we might be in the wrong pot. And she typically indicates that someone is cheating only when one specific thing happens--when someone beats her. So, the only way to beat Spam at a game is to cheat? Yes, I agree she's on a learning curve. She better hope that someone doesn't unload on her like she unloads on others. I don't think she'd be as forgiving as others have been to her...of course I could be wrong. |
Moondance | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:48 pm  I am in aggreement with you Lance in your observations on SpamSpam..... I have been on the recieving end of one of her tyraids ... Hey, I just saw you in chat ... did you go my backward route? |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 02:56 pm  yes Moon--thanks!! I wanted to be in all of them, yet can't download software that isn't authorized. This gives me a way to watch! Wish I could have seen them all. I wasn't avoiding at all...not my style. |
Maire | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 03:15 pm  Yes Moon, thanks for showing Lance the way!!! |
Tukuul | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 03:26 pm  I'm surprised that Elite and Ju are talking in chat about how others think they are in charge when it seems they are thinking they are in charge, or at least in a roundabout way. They seem to be so sure they will be in the final 3 and what's all this talk about an alliance? Also, as I understood Merlin, he said that since it wasn't raining that he had to work today and would be on later this evening. The rain pretty much allowed him to be here during the week. It sounds like 2 or 3 people have a lot of freetime in there and always wonder where everyone else is. That should be obvious to them. Anyway... |
Moondance | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 05:43 pm  Lance... just for you... Guru has GSP/ESP Guruchaz Friday, January 19, 2001 - 05:27 pm Oh, and while the thought has popped into my head, I just thought of someone that I don't really have a problem with but that I baited pretty good during the end and after Game I. That was Roger (Lance). I actually kinda feel bad about that and other things. I haven't seen him around in chat and wonder if he's watching all this mayhem? Optics won and didn't stick around. Lance came close and has stuck around. We'll see after this game who is just here to take the prizes and run. Ahhhhhhhhh! What's happening to me in here? |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, January 19, 2001 - 05:48 pm  Most definitely watching. Wouldn't miss it for the world. Well, ok, for the world, I admit that I'd miss it. |
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