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Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:04 am  Spam's comments |
Bamagirl | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:15 am  I believe Merlin clears that up...in other post (even Juju agreed) that those post were made before the game..check dates as Juju did! Also where Merlin or anyone else goes on the web...should not be anyone's business!!! I do not understand her attitude towards Merlin either. |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:19 am  Yes, and Spamgirl's problem with him is from BEFORE the game. The reason she is mad at him is because of something that happened before the game, and then he assured her IN the game it didn't happen, and now that she found out about that site she knows it DID happen. The reason she was mad at him before is because he told her that he had no contact with the women who created that reality site, and now she knows that is a lie because the dates on his posts are after he told her that he wasn't associating with them anymore. |
Soeur | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:38 am  Shouldn't Merlin be free to associate with whomever he wishes? I went over and visited that site and saw a group of people having a good time - no problem there. Pretty looking site. Hopefully they will also come over here and visit and post - no problem there, right? From what I remember from the logs Spam may have been concerned that Merlin was crosspollinating and sharing things with others that she had told him. The solution to that is to only tell things that you don't mind being passed on - quite the lesson to learn...(Merlin does not seem like a gossip and I don't think he would pass on confidences). Those comments were not good reading. |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:42 am  The problem was that she is sure that he had been taking information from her and passing it on to those women (she believes many things they "had on her" she only told Merlin). He promised her that he wasn't talking to them at all as his only proof that he wasn't doing it. She only trusted him because a friend of hers said that he was an OK guy. I'm sure the situation has many more details than we're seeing here, but the point is he lied to her about the fact of talking to them or not and I can understand how she is deeply hurt by that. |
Soeur | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:49 am  Shouldn't she take that up with Merlin and make sure that what she believes is actually true?. Trust in an environment like this is a pretty fragile commodity. One also can't expect too much from a two dimensional communication experience. Goodwill is the thing to shoot for. |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:50 am  First ... those long URLs are a pain!!!!!! Check out the formatting page... I don't see how it shows that Merlin is leaking info on Spam to the others by going to a site and posting on a message board ... big assumptions ... sorry but after witnessing Spam's assumptions and judgments so much on this board, I am sensitive to it.... I am not fighting a battle for Merlin, I just don't see how it shows he has done nothing but not tell Spam he is posting on a board that Spam does not like ... maybe Merlin is trying not to hurt her feelings... I don't know ... until we talk to him, we are only left to guess! |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 11:57 am  Soeur, she has taken it up with him in there ("Merlin and Spamgirl's Not-So-Secret Room" thread, I believe) and he told her that what she believed was not true. Now she knows that was a second lie, because he was assuring her that everything that he had told her in the past was the truth, which has been proven to be wrong. I'm very sorry Moondance, I didn't realize that they would cause so much trouble. How can I stop the problem from happening again? And what is the formatting page? Thank you. He isn't leaking information there, he is doing it over ICQ. I don't think she's explaining the whole story clearly here. The point is he lied to her, and not how, what, where, when or why. That is all we really know about the situation. |
Wink | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:02 pm  I don't think we know anything about the situation Vitresse. My question to you is How do you know so much? |
Bamagirl | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:06 pm  Leaking things over ICQ?? Makes ya wonder who really is doing this..hmmmm My thoughts only...I just do not see Merlin as the type to do that...again *JMO* |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:09 pm  I knew Spamgirl before we got in the house, we have been friends for a very long time. She told me, when she was upset at first with Merlin, some things about it (although, I admit, not the whole situation). What I've seen her say in The Game II is all I know about what is happening between she and Merlin now, as I haven't talked to her since she entered The Game II (the little note she sent out to all of us on her ICQ list was very threatening! *G*). I am admittedly just trying to meld together the little knowledge I have from before with the few things she has said within The Game II. |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:11 pm  Merlin was NikkiD's "adopted lurker", I believe, and it was the day after those women and Spamgirl fought that Merlin had an interest in talking with Spamgirl. That is what led her to begin to believe that Merlin was betraying her to these women. Again, though, even if he wasn't, he did lie to her. My question is, why did he lie to her about that? It didn't gain him anything! |
Bamagirl | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:24 pm  Vitresse...it is good that you and Spam have been such good friends...standing up for your friend is great! Only thing that bugs me...is from lurking myself here for so long.. Spam does not hide anything when she is upset with someone...she is very open about her feelings. So I guess her talking to you about it *before* the game and *not* bringing it up on the MB is a little shocking to me. |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:27 pm  What do you mean, Bamagirl? Not talking about it on the message board before The Game II? I think the issue was, or so I believe from reading the Merlin and Spamgirl's Not-So-Secret Room thread, that Merlin was away for a week before entering The Game II. That may be why she didn't bring it up on the main message board before entering the house. She also says, in that thread, that she noticed Merlin was gone - that is the most likely reason that she didn't bring it up on the board. Have either of them mentioned whether or not they discussed this via ICQ or email before entering The Game II? Possibly she was trying to keep it in private, but because of the rules of The Game II, she felt that it would not be possible to resolve it via ICQ or email while sticking to the rules? This is just an idea, and I have no idea if it's true or not. |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 12:59 pm  Vit... no problem, looks like it's been fixed ...formatting stuff & clipart info are to the right under the discussion button I understand Spam is hurt and feels deceived ... she has said as much... But what we don't know is why Merlin chose not to tell her about the other board.... was it because he didn't want a Spam blow up? ... you have to admit, they are better avoided or was it because he was trying to keep from hurting her feelings? ... it could be a number of things ... we don't know! All we are doing is assuming and that is not fair until he has a right to speak... I cannot though understand how this shows he is feeding the 'otherside' information and if he was ... what could he do or say to hurt Spam... I don't feel anyone has that kind of power ... again misplacement of power JMO So what does this have to do with anything? ... Personally, I think it's none of our business and it is between Spam and Merlin. |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:05 pm  Discussion button? Moondance, you have thoroughly lost me. By the way, how do you do your little smile? I have never figured that out (I suppose I should pay more attention). This is the issue - Spamgirl confronted Merlin inside the house, and he has stated his opinions and beliefs. If, after that, Spamgirl still feels that Merlin has betrayed her, and she plans on basing her viewpoints on that, it is up to her. The issue I have with this is that people are attacking her for having her own feelings, no matter what they are based on. She may not be perfect, and she may not always act in a situation as we wish she would, but she is being HERSELF, and that is a lot more than many here are doing. How can we attack someone for being honest? Don't we wish everyone could be blunt and honest in this game? So many people are manouvering around honesty where we only wish they would be forthright. About what he is feeding them - all I know is that they reported a false claim to an authority up there which was proven to be false. I have a belief that she thinks Merlin was trying to help them out. This, again, is an assumption and she has not said that directly to me. |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:14 pm  Not sure how to tell you to get to the clipart(smileys) and formatting ... it is in the colum to the left on my screen ... for smileys though just type a colon: and ) together and it will convert to a As far as Spam... I have had my love ins and run ins with her... I will not excuse her behavior anymore because of age and her being 'herself' ... we all have choices and she has chose on more than one occasion to attack, make assumptions and judgments ... only to be wrong and have to apologize ... it just gets old... I am glad to know she has a friend like you to support her ... we all need that! Please, don't fall into the same pattern ... we cannot assume what she is feeling if she has not said or assume we know what Merlin has done without proof ... it only leads to more hurt! |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:16 pm  Oh, do you mean the frameset? Ah! I think I know what you are talking about.
Did that work? I suppose I will see when the post is posted. I am her age, so I would not say that that is the cause of her behaviour either. The only proof I have is him saying what he said, and that site. Otherwise, I do not have an opinion on any of the behaviour that falls outside of that one situation. |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:19 pm  Hey great smile! There is no proof of what he "leaking' or if he is even talking to the otherside so my point I guess is that... let them work it out |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:26 pm  Yes, I agree. |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:27 pm  So what does your Handle mean? |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:35 pm  Good question! I saw something on a menu once about a guinea hen De Vitresse, or something like that, and I've never found out what Vitresse means. I do enjoy the word, though, and it seems to be extremely unique. |
Wink | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:37 pm  I am still pretty confused by this whole situation and Spam's manner of handling it. They were sequestered on Jan 13 and there was absolutely no indication from Spam in any conversation or interaction with Merlin that she had any kind of problem with him that followed them into the game until Jan 17 when she totally went ballistic. You ask how can we attack someone for being honest. Obviously your idea of honest and mine don't coincide. And I'm not nor do I think anyone else is "attacking" Spam. As she does so often herself, I think we are "questioning" her behaviour and her words. They just don't ring true to me and I don't think I'm alone. |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:39 pm  gottcha! Kind of reminds me of a diva wig... don't ask me why all good though! |
Wink | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 01:40 pm  One other little thing that bothers me too Vitresse. You say you are Spam's age yet your profile says you are a 45 yr. old male carpenter from Utah. Why would that be? |
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