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Archive through January 28, 2001
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:01 pm  I'm not trying to form your opinion for you, I'm just making a point or two. |
Wink | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:08 pm  No where are my beliefs cemented Vitresse. I am extremely open minded to the point of being naive sometimes. In fact I believe I stated in one of my early posts that I had no personal animosity towards Spam because she had always been very kind to me on the boards. That does not mean that I am not entitled to state my opinion on some behaviours that to me are extremely destructive both to Spam and those she interacts with. As far as your comment "I don't think her intentions, even if they were good, would sway your opinion" that is the problem for me. It seems from one moment to the next I can't discern exactly what her intentions are!! Perhaps since you know her well you are better able to understand where she is coming from but for the life of me I can't and believe me it's not for lack of trying. If she is feeling misunderstood or hurt by others she needs to look to herself to understand why. Spam says "I've apologized for hurting peoples feelings not for what I've said". Well if one finds oneself constantly apologizing perhaps it's time they take a good look at what they've said. |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:08 pm  Vit...We were talking about one person... I don't by into the manipulation of trying to change the subject or shining the light elsewhere... |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:11 pm  Wow...Great post Wink! Thanks for putting my feelings into words |
Wink | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:22 pm  Thanks Moon. I'm heading out for the evening. I'll check back in when I get home. Hold down the fort. |
Resortgirl | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:38 pm  Hey Moon, I tried to get into chat and was unable to. Things are sure heating up in here. WOW  |
Vitresse | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:38 pm  I don't think she is hurt by others, except for Merlin, and what he did none of us really know the whole story about. And the only appologies I've seen from her are to OI and Elitist (because she felt she had to ask, which I think was the appropriate thing to do, and as Guruchaz or Merlin said something to the tune of "I wish that everyone in here could just be upfront about their feelings, and ask about things"). That isn't constant. As I said in the other thread, I am not here to debate on her behalf. <relurk> |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:46 pm  Resortgirl... sure is... come to chat at 7:30 board time if you can tonight... if you have anyquestions... you have my e-mail |
Wink | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:47 pm  Oh just one more thing Vitresse before you relurk and I head out for the evening. You said you knew Spam before "we" got into the house. Hmmmm another one of those things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmm And please don't tell me it's a typo. |
Bamagirl | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:52 pm  WOW!!! Got me thinking here!! |
Resortgirl | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:53 pm  Moon, we are going out to celebrate a good friends birthday tonight. I will probably not be able to resist checking in later... probably 1am central time. Have a great night all of you. Try to stay calm, take a deep breath, ohmmmmmmmmm..... |
Moondance | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 03:58 pm  Have fun Rgirl!!!!! |
Twiggyish | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 05:35 pm  You know I see your point Wink! Does make me go hmmmmmmmm |
Twiggyish | Saturday, January 27, 2001 - 05:44 pm  One more thing, we should be able to post our opinions without being pointedly corrected by an outside friend of a BG. Part of the game, is our trying to figure out the players. Spam has her own fans who defend her, but Vitresse you seem to be defensive and argumentive. It just seems Vitresse, you seem to know a lot of Spam's responses to our posts inside the game. This leads us to assume you must be talking to her about our posts..which isn't fair to the other players. sorry..just an MY opinion. |
Adven39 | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 09:17 am  For someone who says she is not here to debate on her (Spam's) behalf, Vitresse has spent a great deal of energy doing so. Unfortunately, I suspect Vitresse is a regular poster who supports Spam or has a bone to pick with Merlin, but lacks the courage to post under his or her real handle. The writing style strikes me as familiar and the questions Wink and Moon raised and Vitresse's lame responses have done nothing to suggest otherwise. |
Mishamisha | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 09:50 am  I don't know who Vitresse is either, but I am alarmed at all of your responses. A lurker, who obviously has been following the game, comes forward with some opinions and is attacked. You guys question her motives, her information, her very identity in her profile. You all should be ashamed. I wonder if Neil knows about this. I'm sure he would be less than pleased about the actions some of you have displayed here. I will no longer be following the game discussions. I will read the RRs, and the chat logs, but I refuse to continue to correspond with members here who are so paranoid and abusive. |
Digilady | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 10:03 am  Mish - the matter is being looked at. Please stay around... there could be more to this than meets the eye. Thanks |
Adven39 | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 10:05 am  If Vitresse is just your garden variety lurker with no agenda, then I'm a masked man in blue tights. |
Wink | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 10:12 am  I have a couple of comments which relate directly to what Adven has said above. Soeur said "Trust in an environment like this is a pretty fragile commodity" Vitresse said "Don't we wish everyone could be blunt and honest in this game? So many people are manoeuvering around honesty where we only wish they would be forthright" Well Vitresse Soeur is absofvckinglutely correct and unfortunately I think you need to heed your own words. Whatever game you're playing is doing a disservice to the people inside that game who believe they went in there with a level playing field. As a signed up member of this board you have every right to defend your friend, as do we all who gravitate to certain BGs. But I don't for one minute believe you just signed up or that you're being honest. That is my opinion and I don't state it lightly. I consider myself a pretty decent judge of character so please prove me wrong. And I don't believe all your questions about the formatting crap either. |
Moondance | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 10:51 am  That's funny Misha, I felt Vitress was attacking us and not the other way around... I was nice to her and gave her a chance (taught her how to make smileys) but the more she posted the more suspicious she became and I felt she attacked us ... she knew far too much about the game from the inside ... for example she said Digi was looking into the e-mails Spam was being sent and pointed fingers that it could be one of the members here... etc... So I don't appreciate what you are saying ... to say we were attacking... I think we were asking valid questions and as far as Neil looking into it Digi... I say please do! |
Moondance | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 10:55 am  Oh and as for "there is more he that meets the eye" I think we all have had our fill of 'optics' How about some honesty? |
Bamagirl | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 11:18 am  I guess I missed where Vitress admitted she was female. |
Digilady | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 11:25 am  Moon: It isn't something we can do instanter. We're dancing as fast as we can, and when we have the answers, you all will, as well. Tis never fair to point a finger then retract later, eh? So I could lay out what I think is wrong, whilst investigating. Then, I find out that I was incorrect, and post a retraction. Meanwhile a shitstorm occurs off my bad assumption... you know how that goes! Not hiding anything. Just, before we lay cards on the table, we'd prefer to have our facts straight. Optics?? I resemble that remark. We've nearly gone over the edge to keep the Game, players and watchers as up front as possible. There have been SEVERAL allegations of cheating. Each has been investigated and determined to be unsubstantiated.. Investigation takes time as well you know. This thread is going down a dark path, and the only reason I posted what I did was to let all of you know that we are looking into the matter. Further nastiness and mud-slinging won’t help. Of course, if anyone has any more pertinent information, post away! Here in the old US of A, “Innocent until proved guilty”. I kind of like that one, myself. |
Moondance | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 11:28 am  I above post should have read here and not he... |
Moondance | Sunday, January 28, 2001 - 11:32 am  >>Further nastiness and mud-slinging won't help<< I don't remember doing either ... I appreciate you looking into it ... By your post though it did seem as if you were going to look into things because of what Misha said so it was not clear that you are looking into things because of other stuff... |
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