Are all discussions negative?

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Lancecrossfire

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 10:36 am Click here to edit this post

Tuk, one possibility that E didn't start a conversation up himself was that he was being polite in not cutting in on the middle of what Merlin and Guru were into.

Would you be so forgiving if it was Guru who was being ignored when he had something of substance he wanted to bring up, yet was brushed aside?

As has been pointed out before, Guru's one on ones with others have been superficial. I have no problem saying that it rests with E or Az or anyone he talks to. It also rests with Guru, as these one on ones are communications between two people--and he is one of them.(as is Merlin)

He seemed concerned last night that Az was left out--which might give credibility to her point (might). Merlin seemed to feel it wasn't that big of a deal. Just depends on how you look at it I guess. Just like looking at the issue of noms. IMHO

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 10:53 am Click here to edit this post

Well, I didn't know that they had to play nursemaid to each other. That seems a bit ridiculous.

As for being superficial, what exactly do you mean? If one person isn't opening up it's because they both aren't in one on one chats. What does everyone suggest they talk about? There certainly is info that I wouldn't give out unless I was actually face to face with someone. Yet, I don't see Gu or Merlin complaining about it. It's always Elitist and Azriel that have to complain that they are being ignored or their conversations with the others aren't personally satisfying. Big deal. That's life, so move on. Individuals weren't put on this earth to pair up perfectly with each other. They just needed something extra to gripe about so they could add to their miserable day they created for themselves.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:06 am Click here to edit this post

Very true that everyone can't match up perfectly. Form my perspective they have a right to say they don't like that matches haven't gone as well. Guru certainly has been stating he's happy for the way it's worked out for him. He too could just not say anything and work with how it's working for him. Yet he doesn't.

I think all of them have opened up about how they are--just in different forums and in different ways. At least that has taken place for all of them to a degree. Actually Merlin has said the least about himself. His discussions with Guru have centered around Guru and many of his situations. Not a bad thing--just a point that has occurred.

Much like the perspectives that Az and Merlin had about nominations..different from each other. he views are right or wrong in absolute. Just depends on your perspective of how you look at what nominations are for or about. Who's to say there aren't many valid roads that get one to the same destination.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:17 am Click here to edit this post

Btw, Tukuul et al, I'd like to thank you for your posts that have brought up interesting views and have provided stimulus for looking at things in differing lights.

And Ducky, I neglected to mention your post when I addressed other thoughts above. Yes, I saw the same you did in the 1 on 1 Az and E had. She let us see what she was actually experiencing. Hey, stuff happens.

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:19 am Click here to edit this post

An example would be:

Why would Azriel expect a deep and meaningful conversation with Gu about her ex-husband and her marriage when he's trying to get married for the first time himself? Her and Elitist are wanting blood from a turnip and are complaining when they don't get it.

It's ridiculous.

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:22 am Click here to edit this post

Yes, thanks Ducky for your posts. Don't take my counterpoints personally directed at you. I guess everyone has different conversational interests.

Espen

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:24 am Click here to edit this post

It is interesting to me how these games seem to have a similar mix of people at the end.. In Big brother, Game I and now Game II you seem to have had three "personality types" at the end.. We have the light-hearted, fun-loving personality, with serious undertones (Josh, Dilligaf, Azriel), the calm, rational, analytical type with good advice (Curtis, Lance, Merlin) and then the more unpredictable, controversial, occasionally nasty occasionally compassionate but always facinating type (Eddie, Optics, Guru) which usually seems to win it all. I know Elitist is still in the game, but given the above, he does not quite seem to fit into the "pattern" I have seen in these kind of games so far. He seems to be somewhere between type 2 and 3.. hopefully for him that doesn't mean he is the next to go, but I am not so sure.. Anyone else notice a pattern like this?

Twiggyish

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:27 am Click here to edit this post

Now that you mention it..YEAH. That is true.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:28 am Click here to edit this post

Tuk, in the example you provide, I can give one possible answer (I realize there are others). Just as Guru looks to Merlin for advise based on what Merlin has already been through, it's reasonable that he could pick up things from what Az has already been through (in a specific area Guru will be going). It appears that Guru would have an easy time listening to Merlin if he talked about his past marriages experiences--I feel it has much more to do with the level of connection than any topic picked. Just HMO though.

They may indeed want "blood from a turnip"--a connection where one isn't.

I disagree that Az and E haven't tried--I feel they have. I also feel Guru has tried as well--just hasn't happened. Only speculation that if it hadn't happened for Guru he'd have commented (complained) about it by now as well. Obviously that can only be speculation.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:30 am Click here to edit this post

Excellent points Espen!!

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 11:53 am Click here to edit this post

LOL Tuk. I predict Merlin Az and Guru as the final trilogy based on your analysis.

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 12:04 pm Click here to edit this post

Also, exactly how different is starting a conversation about Elitist's pool any different than Azriel starting a conversation about her ex-husband throwing their cat against the wall?

Yet, they complained about one thing and not the other.

I'd rather talk about the more positive subject.

Ducky

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 12:21 pm Click here to edit this post

One is allot different then the other as in one conversation you are talking about people and there lives and in the other you are taking about material things.
I like to veiw all subjects myself.

Ducky

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 12:36 pm Click here to edit this post

Tukuul it was Gugu who started the conversation about pets.

<GuruChaz> Do you have any pets, M and AZ?

Which lead up to Azriel talking about how her husband threw there cat up against the wall.

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 12:41 pm Click here to edit this post

Ok, and what lead Azriel and Elitist to be the only ones to complain about unsatisfying personal conversation? They should have kept it to themselves like the others. I don't see a positive purpose in it.

When I checked the logs, it looked like Merlin and Guru were having a chat about people's lives.

Ducky

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 12:55 pm Click here to edit this post

Were Azriel and Elitist the only two to complain about unsatisfying personal conversation! HMMMM!
Makes one wonder about that.

And I would personally take about the things that bother me then bottle it up.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 12:56 pm Click here to edit this post

No, I also complained about the lack of unsatisfying personal conversations. Don't like it? So banish me.

Ducky

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 01:06 pm Click here to edit this post

Turkuul thanks for all your points on all the conversations. And I'm not taking any of this personal at all. I like reading everyones conversations and looking at all there veiws.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 01:12 pm Click here to edit this post

Depends on how you look at it. Guru talking about his friend---what his friend was going through is negative in nature. What guru experienced--feeling bad. That is negative in nature.

Trying to be pre-preemptive, I can see where you might say they were trying to do something positive with those negative situations. Ok, I can buy that. Az talking about her ex throwing the cat up against the wall. The positive--how Az realized that her or her daughter might be next and realizing she needed to get out of a bad situation--and did get out. And sharing what happened so others might avoid it from happening to them. Or at least sharing that they over came the problem. Same thing for either case. Taking a negative and trying to put a positive slant to it.

In any event, it comes down to what the watchers want to see from these people. In the end, that determines they voting

Dilligaf

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 01:20 pm Click here to edit this post

Wow Espen...great observation. Although, I would probably have to bug out on being someone labeled with "serious undertones". Not really sure what you mean by that.....

Mishamisha

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 01:25 pm Click here to edit this post

dilli, come back to #gamediscuss, and we can talk if you want

Espen

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 01:34 pm Click here to edit this post

Dilli, no offense meant in the "serious undertones", just saying that all three of you are intelligent individuals that can be serious when necessary.. For the other two in this "group", it might also imply that they have some self-doubt and lack of self-confidence, though in your case this is less true (DQ and the chat cameo in game II are just a few times that come to mind *grin*)

Dilligaf

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 01:49 pm Click here to edit this post

He, he, he.....thanks for not giving me away!! And thanks for clarifying what you meant! I didn't take it in a negative way, just wanted to know what you meant by serious undertones. Again.....great observation of the three remaining players in each game.

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 01:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Oh man, people will put up any defense.

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Espen,

Good summary above but I fail to see where Vykin fits in to the Eddie/Guru stereotype. Vykin's controversy didn't happen until after the game was over.

Also, my estimation is that you can have someone who wants continuous intellectual conversation (which gets universally boring after a while) OR you can have superficial speak which isn't mentally satisfying enough OR you can mix the two, throw in some humor, and get just the right amount everyone wants.

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 02:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Yes, OI, that's why you are out here. Like bad coffee beans, you didn't have the right blend.

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 02:05 pm Click here to edit this post

Tuk, I haven't seen a gamer that has provided the right amount everyone wants. I believe everyone has received some votes to this point.

Espen

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 02:09 pm Click here to edit this post

Tukuul, true.. the controversy surrounding vykin didnt arise until later, but "his" battles with Xenia and some other quite verbose and opinionated posts definately made for a colorful personality.. How else would she have won so convincingly? I must say though, if you hadnt been pulled down by Xenia early on, you too have all the hallmarks of a "type 3 personality" and could well have won the game.. I am sure others here would agree.. (I still think you and guru are the same person, just kidding).. On a related note though, I found it interesting that Guru chose to be George, the person you championed during BB.. small world isnt it.. :)

Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 02:25 pm Click here to edit this post

Twilight Zonish, even.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 02:25 pm Click here to edit this post

Are you saying I was a bitter brew? I'll have to ponder that, let it percolate a bit.

You must be trying to roast me to perfection.

But please be nice. I am, after all, just a human bean.

Well I better get back to work now. What a grind!



Tukuul

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 04:32 pm Click here to edit this post

LOL!

More humor like that in your conversations instead of exploding on everyone would have kept you in there longer. It's hard to recover once you've scalded someone's lap.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 04:43 pm Click here to edit this post

I'll blame Mrs. Olsen for that.

But I do appreciate your posts -- thanks a latte!