Archive through January 24, 2001

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Lancecrossfire

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 09:50 pm Click here to edit this post

Tukuul, not to worry about the friendship issue. Is mine to deal with, and my responsibility for what is said (no matter if I'm right or wrong). I've never wanted to hurt anyone, only present my ideas (and fairness is a big issue for me) and bring up what's happened.

My portion of blowing it out of proportion (how ever much that is) is still mine to bear.

No problem with you trying to throw humor into it--just wasn't going to be humorous for me at the time.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, January 21, 2001 - 10:49 pm Click here to edit this post

Well, I've searched the game I file and gone through a heck of a lot of posts. All I found was the reference Moon mentions about saying it would be nice to see a woman win. I was said by May. That indeed sis completely reasonable.

So, it would seem my concern as well as what I was bothered about in game I must not of happened. Well, that would mean that my basis for my concern is gone. And if Luckygal was indeed just providing some "just funnin'" stuff about Merlin (lala's post was at the same time mine was, so I wouldn't have seen it), then I'm just plain old out to lunch on this.

So, however "even handed" I typically am, this was not a good example if it, and I owe each of you an apology. I'm not even going to go look for the one I thought was on this side this game, as a comment by itself like that should not get me rousted.

With my apology goes a very specific apology to Moon and to May (Dilligaf) for thinking they said something that they didn't say. I ended up being wrong about something I believed to be true. In doing so, I put two very fine people in a bad light. I take the responsibility for that, as well as any consequences that come with it.

For those that agreed with me about things not being ok with the gender comments (Gail and any others), it's apparent that I don't like gender bashing either way, and thought there was some---and you did too. I saw in later posts where it was more clear that some are unhappy with what's going on in the here and now. I used the past to bring that to light. I am forgetting the present and focusing on the things I said about the past--so please don't think I'm trying to leave you hanging. That is not my intent.

A final heart-felt apology to those on the board in general, and to Moon and Dilligaf especially.

Tukuul

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 07:24 am Click here to edit this post

Lance, both you and Moon were very well liked in Game I and are well liked out here. Yes, you both got a raw deal but you are still well liked.

I'm glad you all worked things out. It sounds like it.

Twiggyish

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 08:30 am Click here to edit this post

Tukuul...YES!

Norwican

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 08:56 am Click here to edit this post

I take no offense to what Merlin said and agree with Tukuul... that I find this kinda funny .

Lancecrossfire

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 12:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Another point I will use in voting is the willingness of the players to open up about themselves and their lives.

Enbwife

Monday, January 22, 2001 - 04:48 pm Click here to edit this post

Jeez... I'd better get reading. I've obviously missed something here! :)

Dilligaf

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 08:38 pm Click here to edit this post

Boy, catch a cold and miss a whole thread!

To set the record straight....I did not base my nominations in Game I on gender. Nominating people was very hard each and every time we had to do it. Perhaps I gave gender as a reason for my noms, but deep inside, it was much more than that. I used gender in my red room sessions to skirt the real issues. So I didn't have gender issues, I was just a coward.

I do remember talking to Moon about how nice it would be to have a woman win, fair and square, since both Survivor and BB were won by men.

But I hated the fact that Vykin (shemale)won. Because I still feel it WAS NOT fair and square and in all honesty, I voted for Lance to win it all. I was just proud to be #3. I made it through the entire game, and that was an accomplishment for me. I felt my competition was two-sided. Both men and women alike. I did not discriminate.

Moonie, I'm sorry you were hurt by this. Hang tough sweetie!!

And Lance, I accept your apology. But I do feel there is still a fence to be mended with Moon. Things really got out of hand. I'm actually glad I wasn't around to see it.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, January 23, 2001 - 08:46 pm Click here to edit this post

Dilli, thanks for letting me tell you about it in chat, and thank you for your words. Yes, I have mending to do. And Moon is special enough to make any effort more than worth while--whatever it takes.

Twiggyish

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 07:54 am Click here to edit this post

Dilli, exactly.

Wink

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 02:02 pm Click here to edit this post

Lance I get the feeling that you are trying to be the conscience of everyone on the board, and that you have placed yourself in the position of being the ethical champion for us all. I hope that this experience has opened your eyes to the fact that the women on this board, at least this one, do not appreciate this attitude. I do not assume to speak for all the women nor should you assume to speak for all the men but next time you're tempted to "take the steps you think are best for you" please do your homework.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 02:14 pm Click here to edit this post

Thank you for the feedback Wink.

Moondance

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 02:22 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks Wink...

This has been a tough one... I know we like when there is harmony on the board or at least I know I do ... but I haven't felt very harmonious...

I think the main reason was that not only a person but a friend did something that was surprising and hurtful... That I guess will have to be worked out between me and him ...

Thank you Dilli and Wink for the posts...It means more to me than you will ever know... I promise I will soon work through this and let it go but as you can see a lot of hurt is still left over from Game I...

Willi

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Moon,

I wasn't around for Game 1. I do know from hanging around here for the time I have...You are a very kind, honest, and fair person. I'm sorry you got hurt. I really am.

Bamagirl

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:06 pm Click here to edit this post

I guess I have missed some things here...or not understanding things that really went on during GameI.

I am really sorry your hurting...I hope what ever it is that you can work through and remain friends.

You add so much here...so keep your chin up!!!

Moondance

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:12 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks Bama & Willi

Game hurt, I think is different for each of the players ... we all got hurt somehow ... doesn't mean it wasn't a great experience...

I am in agreement with alot of what Dilli said about Game I and since it is in the past we don't have to get into it:)

It is amazing how in the mist of Game II it did bring out some burried stuff... which is good! Now I can put it to rest...

Bamagirl

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:18 pm Click here to edit this post

I would do the clipart..but I mess it up all the time...so I do it the easy way LOL :o)

Dilligaf

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:27 pm Click here to edit this post

Yeah Moon, I think Tuk is still pissed off at me. He doesn't ever say much and when he does, it's not very flattering.

I wish we could just kiss and make out.

OH, I mean make up. hehehe

Moondance

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:31 pm Click here to edit this post

Dilli!!!!!!:)

Dilligaf

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:38 pm Click here to edit this post

I just didn't flirt enough in Game I. Have to make up for it now....

I'll tell you what....Guru is really turning me on with his new personality. Tonia might have a fight on her hands!! LMAO

Willi

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:41 pm Click here to edit this post

Agreed.

uh huh huh.

:)

Moondance

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:47 pm Click here to edit this post

Take a number ladies (or men)...I have already!

Kady99

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:51 pm Click here to edit this post

Dilli, you are cracking me up. I bet some guys would really like to see you and Tonia go at it, maybe in some mud. I missed seeing his real picture. Does this new personality match his looks???? I am really liking him in the game but I must add a Goooooooooo Az!!!!!!!!! No man will come between me and my friend!!!!

Dilligaf

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 04:56 pm Click here to edit this post

Kady, he's pretty hot! Moonie and I are gonna mud wrestle over him! :)

Wink

Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 05:05 pm Click here to edit this post

I'm proud to say that I was a GuGu doll fan from way back. Because of my sense of dignity however I won't engage in the mud wrestling competition. You two ladies fight it out and I'll explain to GuGu the finer points of "dignified".