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Spamgirl | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 07:33 am  I told you... I would have voted for vykin... want to know why i know how to get around this stuff? I'm a professional web developer, I have to worry about security 8 hours of the day... I've studied this stuff backwards and forwards... so I know all the ins and outs of it... I wish I had been able to cheat, 'cuz then vykin would be coming out right now... vas: the moon was a dare (and i don't like vykin 'cuz i don't like liars... but that's another story for another day ) TVFAN: This is how it works, and how to get around it: These are ALL the requirements a) you need to clear your cookies for each vote b) you need a new IP number for each vote, which is possible for people with NON-DEDICATED lines, such as dialup... you might be ablt to get between 2-6 votes per hours this way, to a maximum of 10-20 c) to get the number of votes we assume are cheating, you'd probably need 2-4 people If you have different computers with different ips, a work computer/home computer, or dialup, you can cheat... (I'd just like to say i have 1 cable connection, no friends with internet that live in toronto, and therefore i can't cheat ) |
Spamgirl | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 07:35 am  TVFAN: what i was saying is on 6305/7467.html> ... and why would i tell my "secrets" if i was cheating?!? I'd save it all for myself... i'm not stupid! |
Vasix | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 07:49 am  You go Spamgirl! So lets see if I got it right: To cheat you need 4 or five web enabled computers. Gee that cuts down the households abit. Then you need four or five sign ons and the ability to have separate dial ups and then you need to find 2-4 people that would spend hours during a workday clearing "cookies" (you're kidding me when they call them cookies, right?) and dialing in and voting. And then you say its only worth 20 votes? There were 131 votes cast in the last hour and half? Who had half of Microsoft HQ voting???? And what are those people doing for a REAL living? I'm going back to what I said two or three weeks ago: One person, one vote. Now I gotta go back, I got bacon on the stove (um sorry Spamgirl its turkey bacon, yeah that's it, its made of turkey and tofu...) |
Adven39 | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 07:59 am  Spammie, I don't think you need to defend yourself. Friends of Zelda/Moon are frustrated and upset and your admission that you have the expertise to cheat if you wanted to, has just made you a target because the real culprits are likely faceless and you aren't. I have seen nothing in your posts or comments that would leave me to believe that you would ever cheat and, unless there is some evidence to suggest you did, I think it is unfair to throw out an accusation in the form of speculation and put you in the position of feeling you need to explain yourself. |
Spamgirl | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 07:59 am  they're called cookies, yes in java, they're breadcrumbs 131 votes... i'd say 50 were real... that's 81 that aren't... 3 minutes to dial up/clear cookies 2 minutes to vote likeliness of new ip - 75% so, 20 times an hour someone can try to vote... but only 15 times they will be able to... that's if they have 1 computer... so that's 15 per computer... so it would take about 6 people to do what was done... that's not a lot of people, and they may not even be related to each other... grin... spamgirl has no reference ot the hormel meat product (dare i call it meat ),... indeeed, i've never even eaten that stuff before... my grandmother says it's good, though
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Spamgirl | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 08:01 am  Thanks... I never thought anyone but Jana was saying I cheated... and even Jana is just mad, and needed someone to blame... I totally dig that Just like to clear it up... incase NEIL has the same dellusion ;)
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Adven39 | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 08:08 am  Agreed, and I have no way of knowing if anyone other than Jana has suspicions. Once the idea takes form, though, there are usually others who will buy into it. That's why it's unfair to you and often best to keep suspicions to yourself until there is something concrete to go on. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 08:12 am  Jana's account needs to be changed, since Moondance has it she now has access to the board but is not banished, since a recount has been demanded. |
Spamgirl | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 08:13 am  Yah... shrug... i don't care if someone's accusing me... yawn... oh well, I think I'm done with this thread now...
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Nadi | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 08:19 am  I also am on a cable modem. However, with a reasonably fast dialup connection 56k a new vote could conceivably be made every 1-2 mins. You could clear your cookies as you wait for your modem to connect. That's between 30-60 votes in an hour. Most dial up ISPs assign random IP numbers. So conceivably 1 or 2 people could seriously rock the vote. Personally I'm glad the Host decided not to go with the vote totals. I hope it p*sses the cheater(s) off knowing they wasted their time for nothing as it turns out. |
Jana | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:15 am  Spam Girl , again, i am truly sorry for the insinuations...i was indeed speaking out of anger and should have held my tongue....i think i was having some nasty hormone surges yesterday You don't have to worry about Moonie, Ocean she did not use my account and she will not use it, i promise you that! |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:21 am  well Jana, will you also promise to cease contact with moonie????? |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:27 am  Maybe Jana you should also change your password. Just to keep things on the up and up. Could you let us know when you have changed your password. |
Jana | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:27 am  I am not talking with Moonie if she is still in the game Nor, and I am sorry that I said that I would cheat....that was out of anger..I did tell her about the vote, but i figured it didn't matter because she was getting booted....I promise that there won't be any cheating going on from this end....that would be pointless after my stance against cheating here....You have my word there...that is the best i can tell you Nor. |
Jana | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:30 am  changed |
Vasix | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:33 am  Jana its nice to know that you can now vouch for Moon's integrity. Stick to vouching for your own. Giving someone you account is just really a silly thing to do. I see you take the convenient cop out "it was a hormonal thing". Next time, if you try to give an apology, don't lay the blame on your homones. It was your brain that failed, not your ovaries. Viva One Person, One Vote!!! (I wonder if Roger will get 31 votes again ROFL!!) |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:33 am  thanks Jana, I feel better now. LOL |
Jana | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:35 am  Vasix i already apologized and did what i dould to repair the situation..lets give it a rest now, there is no point in going on with this. Moon never accessed my account anyways and there is no way she can now because i changed the password. Just give it a rest please! |
Katie | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:37 am  And she would't anyway. She is a very honest person. |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:39 am  Oh come on Jana, lighten up. The problem is the people in this place take this GAME too damn seriously. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:40 am  Vasix, as someone with ovaries I can tell you that they do have a mind of their own at times. My ovaries have gotten me into some serious situations by taking over my brain and making some really questionable decisions. You can medicate the ovary demons but they have a high resistance to drugs and it sometimes takes a herculean effort to knock them out. Beware the ovary demons for the owners have lost control. |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:41 am  THATS IT PEOPLE DONT CHEAT!!!!! OVARIES DO |
Karuuna | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:43 am  Just a note on this cheating thing. In my office alone I have 4 computers, dial up and 28 screen names. Much of this process can be scripted, at least on my apple via Applescript. So you could set a computer to just sitting and dialing up, accessing the poll via direct url, checking the appropriate box, submitting the vote, signing off, and clearing the cookies. Then you set the script up to continually recycle. Not that I did that, of course! I mailed in my vote. Thanks to the hosts, as always, for their ability to handle this amicably and fairly. Kudos! |
Jana | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 09:43 am  "Oh come on Jana, lighten up. The problem is the people in this place take this GAME too damn seriously." i AM lightening up...don't i seem lighter today? ...i will try to not take the game (or the people slamming me with horendous emails) too seriously from here on out |
Vasix | Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 10:06 am  I don't know, if someone had given Vykin access to the boards "in a fit of pique" there would be a thread decicated to it by now and Judge Whit would be organizing a UN Tribunal. Its great how Players can I/M Vykin, Lafatme can send Arreal Posts, Moon can get access to the boards (if she wants to, its a hormonal thing donchaknow) and votes that don't go the "right" way can re-done. Man thank god we had the self appointed Whit on the ethics team. Sure stopped it all. And oh, isn't it lovely that finally someone came up with a reason other that "It has to be Vykin" for the vote to be off. Hmmmm...hackers? Mischief for the fun of it? Someone not even connected to the boards doing it? Now there's a thought. Oops!Nope, easier to blame Vykin and tar all his supporters. How can you take such foolishness seriously. Its the hypocrisy I find interesting. |
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