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Norequerdo | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:46 pm  wc, I dont think I said you said it was in fun. Sara said conversation was in fun. So what is that about credibility. I never said you said you would vote more than once nor did I say sara said that. What I did say is you were in the room and you know what was said. You know who said it and you know that someone said they voted nine times, and one other person said they voted twice once from home and once from work. I don't doubt your honesty, just your memory of events. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:46 pm  What is going on in here? I go for a long drive on a beautiful autumn day with the top down, I get back, and I see all this back and forth crap. So what? Talisker wants to stay. Many don't want her to stay. The voters will decide. I think she posted that message because she came on here, looked at the poll, and saw she was getting the boot. Why aren't you concerned about her lack of taking responsibility for her actions Nor? |
Sara | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:50 pm  Okay. That's it. Everybody duck. Nor, you are the most egotistical, self-centered piece of work I have ever encountered. You make a habit of finding the smallest short-comings in people, and exponentially exploiting those short-comings to your own advantage. You don't care who you hurt, or badly you hurt them. If someone doesn't address each comment you make in a chat room, or your every post on this board, you insist upon commenting about it. The fact that you are merely one of many people involved in this site, absolutely goes way over your head. In addition, you have a habit of taking situations and twisting them around to turn them into your own reality, in order to make yourself come out on top. All of the above, fails to mention your habit of always having to be right, even when you're wrong. You will step on anyone's feelings at any time, on any subject, just so you can consider yourself having won an argument. Please go ahead and give all of your information to Host. Host can compare it with Neil, who was in the chat room with us after you left. We discussed the voting issue with him. He is well aware of the problems that can and may occur. This world and this board do not revolve around you. Learn it and live it. |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:57 pm  I agree the world doesnt revolve around me neither does the board. I started the post, you could have chosen to ignore it. Its easy to say that I pick on any point when little points are thrown at me questioning my credibility. Whether someone witnessed a conversation after I left the room is irrelevant. I was talking about the conversation that took place while I was in the room. I don't think it is meanspirited to tell people that there are people voting more than once. I have no intention of spilling all to the Host, I am sure they have ways of looking up past chats and they can verify for themselves the verasity of my comments. I find it amusing that if I don't agree with you I am bashing or stepping on someone's feelings. I didn't start by turning this into an ugly exchange. Who started with the juvenille comment about the Mirror has two faces. That showed real intelligence. My suggestion to both Sara and Wc, is to block my comments if you can. Just ignore me. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:58 pm  Spin it how you want Nor...you don't have your facts straight. Quote from Nor: Nos, I know what I read. I could be mistaken that it was you that said you had voted numerous times and maybe you were not the one who said that people should just keep voting to keep ArReal in the game. I am sorry if you were not the one who said that. You can't just randomly go around accusing people of dishonesty. Well actually I guess you can, just expect to get called on it. |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:06 pm  I will let you have the last word. |
Sara | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:09 pm  If that was true, you wouldn't have posted anything. |
Vasix | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:28 pm  Okay, thank you for the verification that the chats on this website aren't worth attending. Besides the fact that this game is rife with cheating (yes I think people have discussed and tried to vote multiple times and it seems some of the "chosen" players are either favorites of Neil, friends of Neil's and/or people that worked on this site as moderators), can someone explain to me WHY there is re-vote? I missed that. I try to read everything but I missed the WHY is there a re-vote. Can someone, without TOO much emotion or film titles, tell me WHY Neil restaerted the vote? Thanks. |
Katie | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:35 pm  Because a lot of posters were asking for one. Is that simple enough for you? |
Wcv63 | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:38 pm  From Host: Due to recent events, we have cancelled the poll that has been running since Wednesday. A new poll is being created tonight, and will be available for voting until 3:00 p.m. PST Monday. A live chat with the Players will be held at 7:00 p.m. PST (board time). We will hold a live chat with all of you Monday evening at 7:00 p.m. PST and announce the banished player at that time. The live chat for 9:00 a.m. PST tomorrow morning has been cancelled. From an earlier post above: The discussion in chat was about the unfairness of the first poll because of the new information brought to light and because of the fact that one of the nominated quit. That's it. I'm done. Last post on this thread. |
Sara | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:41 pm  The revelation that Tali was Gail the moderator, and that she had broken the rules by having an outside conversation with other BGs, occurred after many people had already voted. Many of the people wanted to change their vote, so Neil decided to start the vote over so anyone who wanted to change their vote, could do so. Actually, I think you would enjoy the chats in the Member's chat room. They're nothing like this thread. They're humorous, and fun. |
Whit4you | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 05:13 pm  The revote was the RIGHT thing to do - We all voted based on what we read/ saw posted in the only area we thought the BGs to be communicating. Having being made aware of hidden/secret conversations that were not known to us at the TIME we voted makes our vote null and void. We were voting based on what we SAW in the house not KNOWING or aware at that time that one of the BGs was clearly breaking the rules of the game. Had it been ANY other BG I might have believed they just simply did not understand the spirt of the game and what Sequestered really meant - the BG breaking that rule however posted live feeds on BB and knew full well that WE the audience were supposed to know/see everything they said to one another and IF she didn't really understand that this was the case in OUR version - she did at LEAST know that one other BG thought going private was against the rules and he told her he would NOT go private with her and break the rules. AFTER this she convinced two other BGs to go private. This was a clear violation to the implied rules and at least a violation of the rules as one of her other BGs saw it. My original vote was null and void because IT was based on what was transpiring INSIDE the house, not based on unknown facts at the time regarding personal conversations outside the game by players of the game - at least one of whom was fully aware that it was percieved to at least one other BG as cheating. Ironically - I've seen people discussing people cheating to vote out the "cheater" IE making multiple screen names to vote her out. My S/O has listened to me for a week rambling about this game but has become very involved in everything I am going through (as I said I feel like a player here not just a spectator) - he has listened to everything I've said about what's going on and has sat here with me for the last two nights - reading the posts and discussing my posts etc. He's in full agreement with me - and decided to register and vote. Seeing all the paranioa about "new posters voting - being multiple screen names etc" Makes me wonder if they are implying that HE does not have a right to vote here (after dealing with MY endless concerns about this game and lurking here for a few nights) He and I both voted in the BB game. I think he has as much right as I do to vote (is he biased - because of MY feelings? perhaps but he's read enough of the posts to form his OWN decision) I have a feeling a # of lurkers here will register to vote because of all that's gone on. (I guarantee you I would have) I have to wonder how many are going to be accused of being "multiple screen names - imposters" I can tell you this - I'm not GOING there - as far as ANYONE accusing me of cheating because my S/O decided to vote here - be happy to give Neil my # and he can talk to Rex and I directly - long as he's prepared to listen to Rex DEMAND that Neil shut down this site so he can get his Girlfriend back hehe... (We would be happy to call him - to save him a nickel) Bottom line is - there is as much PARANOIA going on out here as there is INSIDE at this point. I can not imagine ANYONE ethically deciding to "cheat to vote out the cheater" - I can potentially see someone cheating to keep her in - if it happens it happens. But don't go thinking or accusing all the lurkers who choose to register because they feel this is important enough to do so. Gawd I am getting such a headache here - I so hope that once Gail is out and fully understands everything that she - accepts responsibility - makes amends whereever needed, and we can all at THAT point welcome her and accept she's human. Bugs me alot that many people may not be willing to wait until she's "out" and aware of all the issues involved and makes an INFORMED decision - till then I am withholding judgement of her AS a person. |
Digilady | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 05:24 pm  Holy shit! This is better than BB. All: HOST was in that phucking chat last night. Think we were for real? Vas: we have a BLAST in that chat! We'd love you to join us. (Just don't bring a drink, they wind up on the keyboard, OFTEN.) Nor: FOAD! (kidding, see you in chat.) Katie: other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did ya like the show? LOL! You go, girl. Nos: Gother back. ALL: Chat is usually 6:00 - 8:00 board time. Wanna have fun? See you there (er, Vas, the language isn't goodie goodie, WARNING! |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 05:31 pm  Wow! I slept through this? Holy macramoli! I do like the way Nor has NOT mentioned being fully involved in the conversation and asking how does one go about cheating, as she is computer illiterate (hense the one vote). My only other thought is DAMMIT - not one beer to be found among all of these posts. Ah well haven't been through all of the threads yet. |
Misslibra | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:34 pm  Wow ... I thought this thread was about Tali speaking out ?? I was in last nights chat to. And thought it was not only fun, but very productive in campaigning to get a re-vote. I do hope everyone is playing the game fair, and for the most part I think everyone is. But if you are voting more then once, or dicussing details of the game with your friends that are playing the game (and I'm not saying anyone is) but if you are ... PLEASE STOP IT !!!! And Tali it will be up to the voters if you stay ... it's out of your hands now. |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:46 pm  Well said Miss Libra! There were many people involved in the chat and only two for multi-voting, two people, one of which was only going to do so after the scandal, does not ruin the integrity of this board - sides, all Neil and Wife need to do is tally votes against members and then start looking at the ISP's. |
Annagator | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 08:48 pm  Norequerdo, This is not the first time that you have taken chat comments out of context, and it is not appreciated by anyone. Maybe now you understand why people are cautious about talking when you are there? Why don't you join us tonight? We can discuss the ballot stuffing issue in real time... |
Digilady | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 08:50 pm  Anna, if she dares. After all, we discussed it =LAST= night, and she put a real neat spin on the whole thing. Stay tuned... |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 08:53 pm  Hmm.. Let's guess what her spin would be? I'm sorry I'm new here _________ (fill in the blank) Really I didn't understand cuz I'm new here and _____ (fill in the blank) So how do you vote more then once - slow down I'm taking notes - tho she did scew up on a couple names. Why are you all ignoring me? <insert some poor patsy here> |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 08:59 pm  I am taking stuff out of context ok. let me see if I can remember what happened. There were many people there, Digi, Petunia, Sara, Noslanna, Nikki, AnnaGabor, Ocean. Lets see.... Noslanna admitted to voting 9 count them 9 times. I didnt respond earlier when she denied it. I even apologized if I was wrong. Noslanna knows she said this. She also admitted to Iming a player that is Ok, I could care less about that and am not sure about the rules on it. The ethics are questionable. Ocean, admitted to voting twice, once from work and once from home. he said it could be done. I admit I played the dummie and said how is that done, I dont know anything about computers. and that got the ball rolling. you delete your cookies, sign on to another isp, which by the way Noslanna admitted to having 3 ISPs. Nobody has to talk to me in chat. The original thread of my post was why are people sitting around talking about Talis dishonesty when they are cheating like crazy. That is all I am going to say about the matter. I dont want to discuss it further but if you want to pursue it fine I will just go back to my notes. |
Digilady | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 09:05 pm  Or come back to chat as someone else? Psst... you weren't the only one taking notes. What =is= this, anyway? Get a life. Host reset the votes. End of story. |
Petunia | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 09:05 pm  Feel better, Nor? Get your daily dose of attention? That is what this entire thread was about, no? |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 09:08 pm  LMAO - sh*t are you threating us with your "notes"? Roflmao - bring em on... We have nothing to hide. Do not discount the rest of us for two players. I beg you - BRING OUT YOUR NOTES!!! But this matter to rest and don't edit it to your good. |
Digilady | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 09:12 pm  Ooooops... Digi was not in chat till late. Could there be an error there? |
Norequerdo | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 09:13 pm  Guys, deny it. OK. Deny that what I saw last night is what happened. Go ahead. You can claim it was jokes or whatever. I made a statement in my first thread, not mentioing any names about people voting more than once and comparing it to posts about Talis honesty. I am not the one who came out and said you are talking about me and then proceeded to DENY that they voted twice. I apologized and said maybe I was mistaken because I ( believe it or not) wanted to avoid a confrontation. The issue WAS the hypocritical posts about Talis dishonesty. That was the purpose of my posts. But you want to turn it on me. Fine. The fact is it is pure hypocracy to go on about talis dishonesty when people are voting more than once. If you will look the title of the folder was Talis in internet chat room. Deal with the issue and stop the smoke screens. What did talis do that was worse than others outside are doing. Give up the false outrage. |
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