Sbw | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:41 am  Vykin/Optics posted this in the general discussions area - 6. I am not Neil, and arreal I am not "Flint" whoever that is, but the name you IMd me early this morning. So who was/is he? Anybody know? |
Katie | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:44 am  He is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. |
Noslonna | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:53 am  Optic is Eric. I heard he escaped across the North Sea. Nasty viking raped and pillaged along the way on his journey across the sea before he found a new land. |
Sbw | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:19 pm  LOL Nos & Katie. I got the impression from his post that he had been a regular here under a different name, maybe I read too much into it. It sounds like Arreal/Kearie figured it out. I was just curious. |
Norequerdo | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:29 pm  So they are allowed to IM each other??? I am confused. |
Lafatme | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:29 pm  i'm curious as to why he invited arreal into an aol chat room? and why did arreal accept? if no one knows optics under any other name why would arreal know it was him in order to accept the invitation? how does vyk know gail? why would she choose to talk to vyk in a private room about her mother? he should have been a stranger to her since optics was never a regular poster. she has to know him as someone else, and i think that someone else is flint. |
Norequerdo | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:38 pm  I guess I am missing something here, what is the significance of all this. I Know I dont know who half the people Lafatme mentions are, but what does it all mean. I know Arreal and Vykin from the game. What does any of this stuff mean about who someone really is and who knows who. Maybe I am just stupid but I truly dont get it. |
Karuuna | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:43 pm  Laf -- according to Tali's internet camera post, she said she didn't know them well, but needed to talk to "someone", so she went to them. At least that's her story. |
Lafatme | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:47 pm  kar, and THEY know her as tali. so how did they know who was inviting them into a chat thru aol? unless talisker is her aol name. i have aol, i guess i could look up profiles. if she didn't know them well, how did she know WHO to invite? where did she get their aol names? i don't think email addresses are available for BGs, so how do you know who they are, outside the boards? |
Sbw | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:49 pm  Nor.. I don't know how the BGs know/knew anybody. I guess that is not such a big deal to me. I had just wondered if Optics/Vykin was a famous/infamous poster before the game - not that it would even have made a difference in the way I voted. I kinda thought it was funny that he would have changed his name right before the game (even thought it had to do with a password) and wondered if it was because voters would hold it again him. The question was totally innocent, it has nothing to do with who should stay in the game or who should go. But since you asked.... The only official rule I can see that was broken was that Gail posted in this area and that is/was against all the rules. It was said that a moderator could not be a BG, but it is not in the rules. The rules specify that the BGs cannot talk on the board chat, it does not mention other means of communication. The only thing I can say about those two issues is that it would be nice if it was cleared up in the official rules. |
Karuuna | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:58 pm  Laf -- I think that's an important question. The original ten applications are listed in the player game area. Clicking on the players' names brings up their profiles. However, neither Kearie nor Vykin has a profile listed, and therefore no Email address/AOL screen name. So how did Tali invite them? I've read most (but not all) the player-posted stuff and I don't see any postings to that effect. Anyone else know? |
Noslonna | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:06 pm  The rules do not say the BGs cannot use other means of communication outside of email and this site's Club Chat. The rule says, "Players may be disqualified for... chatting in the Chat Room when not designated." |
Sbw | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:14 pm  I don't think we could ever figure out who Vykin is... just noted this listed in the challenge questions posted by Roger last night about 4:00 and asked by the host. "Are there two or more people posting a Vykin in this game? Yes" If there is more than one person posting as Vykin, how do they keept it straight. They must be doing a lot of homework. Too funny...... Noslonna I agree with you, the rules do not say that what they did was wrong. Many had assumed it was "so not right" but the rules do not say that. The rules also do not specify that a moderate cannot be a BG. |
Wcv63 | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:35 pm  I guess more than "broken rules" what we are dealing with is ethics. Is it ethical to have outside and private communications? Is it ethical to IM other players where what is being said cannot be seen as part of The Game? What I am basing my perceptions on is that the BB HG's did not have the option of having private conversations anywhere within the compound. All actions and interactions were scrutinized 24/7. The postings and communications in The Game are (IMHO) supposed to follow this similar concept. Who people were or are, who they are presenting themselves as, etc. is of no consequence to me. I am basing all my decisions on who they are presenting themselves as in The Game. |
Noslonna | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:36 pm  Gotta love Vykin. Well maybe you don't gotta but I do. J |
Lafatme | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:46 pm  nos, how can you love vyk-he doesn't exist! |
Katie | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:00 pm  What if Vykin is the moderators over here??? |
Norequerdo | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:03 pm  I just checked out challenges, they deal with who Vykin is. Check out under questions. Vykin is not a moderator. |
Vasix | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:18 pm  Can i believe my eyes, and trust me EVERYTHING is brighter on the outside. We have someone who openly claims to have multiple personalities and no one gives a rats patootie about her. Then this Vykin character comes along and all of the sudden he's everyone from the moderator to the real killer of OJ's ex-wife. What's the deal with that? Do you really think people would team up to play one person in an imaginary game? Whoa. Now that's a selfesteem issue. "Hi, I'd like to play myself in an imaginary game but I need someone to help me..." I'm I hearing it right? Man I miss prison. We at least made sense. |
Princessjill | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 03:31 pm  vasix...LMAO./.....u go boy....YKM...what a statment....i wish to hell u would post more stuff..all anyone does is it seems like...love ya |
Katie | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:37 pm  That it the answer that Admin gave so we have been going by what he said. However he has now posted: Admin Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:29 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Question from Players asking if Vykin is two or more players This question was answered YES in error. The actual answer is NO. Sorry for any confusion. This was not meant as a deliberate attempt to stir trouble, it was a legitimate error on MY part. Please accept my apologies and don't judge the entire game based on this false answer |
Norequerdo | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:37 pm  Them's fighting words Vas when you start talking about ArReal. Trust me, that is not someone you want to raise any questions about in the boards. |
Admin | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:37 pm  RE: Question from Players asking if Vykin is two or more players This question was answered YES in error. The actual answer is NO. Sorry for any confusion. This was not meant as a deliberate attempt to stir trouble, it was a legitimate error on MY part. Please accept my apologies and don't judge the entire game based on this false answer. |
Norequerdo | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:50 pm  So does Vykin get a T shirt and CD Burner and a mistrial is declared????? This sounds like jury tampering to me. |
Lafatme | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 04:51 pm  admin, thanks for the answer. can you also tell us why gail has two club names and why she was allowed on this board after entering the game? please? only you can put this game back on track. telling us EXACTLY what is going on is the only way to do that. please? |
Admin | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:13 pm  Please see the thread called 'Talisker (Moderator) Discussion' for my thoughts on this. |
Vasix | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:14 pm  word of warning: Arreal is not given immunity. If she posts stuff she gets stuff. I'll comment on everybody and everybody's defenders are welcome to post back to me. Claims of mulitple personalities are not sufficient to be treated with kid gloves. I tried that multiple personalites suff myself. Just pissed off the judge and he gave us all the 10 years. Told us it was the group rate and not to fight over who got the top bunk. He called it Justice for All. |
Streetjaie | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:29 pm  YOU GO VASIX!!!!! I totally agree. |
Norequerdo | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 05:56 pm  Vasx you are hysterical. I can see we have some fun people here. |
Noslonna | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:29 pm  Vasix, for some reason that reminds me of a paternity court case (pre dna days) where the guy denied he was father. To raise doubt he brought 10 friends in to testify they had slept with her too. The judge gave his verdict... ALL of them had to pay child support. |
Vasix | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 08:12 pm  Noslonna: wow, you know my dads? Way cool. The postage on Fathers Day was breaking me. |
Lafatme | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:16 pm  vykin supporters, please accept my apology. neil has answered the questions i had and i accept his answers to be true. i guess i really was getting paranoid, as some of you said. again, i'm sorry. |
Kpritch | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:30 pm  Laf, it's ok...just don't do it again. I guess I am just naive about the game playing and I try to take what is said at face value by the players and here in the discussion area. I can't promise to be an when it comes to poster's bashing Vykin, but I'll try to explain the Vykin I know instead of becoming impatient. So, don't worry about being paranoid today. I'll probably have days like that, too. |
Vasix | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 11:58 am  Lafatme: "Vykin supporters"????? Ewwwww! Bad visual. I am not anyone's undergarment: athletic or otherwise. Now I have to go shower. And I won't use fabric softener. |