Archive through October 28, 2000

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Noslonna

Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 03:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Thurs Oct 26

Challenge 9 - Rock the Vote: Team A: Himay, Vykin, and Roger

Vykin
3:04 pm

Okay I'm pissed off should we email the host and tell him to send a warning to Luke and Moon? Its not fair, they are stealing our information!

They are cheating and we should win by default. We try not to have outside contact and they want to make it look like we are! thoughts?

So rog what do you say We put Moondance for question #2? For convenience: I'll post question #3 if we agree on #2 but we will wait your final ok on 2 Roger.

#3 What Player has been the most open about his/herself?

I was wondering, about LUke (on my mind since reading his post earlier today) I have to give him credit he's been quite open about his Gay life. I'm not sure that I would be that open,
HiMay/Roger what are your thoughts?

Roger
3:09 pm

Ok, I'll go with Moon for #2. For number 3, I see 5 pieces of paper saying either Luke or myself.

Vykin
3:11 pm

Rog, Himay For your Eyes Only:
I have forwarded the following email to Host. I could not find you, I assume both of you were on a high level reconnaisance mission. So, I took some drastic measures and wrote the BigH:
To: host@enbcom.com (Host)

On behalf of my teammates, Her Highness HiMay10ns and Mr. Roger RJ, the First, we wish to formally advise that Team B has infiltrated our compound.
This is a serious violation and breach of the code of conduct. We feel, you should give us the win and reward on the challenge. They have tainted and taunted our private discussion. If anything, Moon and Luke should be forced to do another Strip Tease in front of the Internet Cameras!
Please Advise us on this matter
Vykin
3:12 pm

Roger yes I was thinking after the post either Luke or you

Roger
3:19 pm

Well, Vyk, we just need to hear from May when she gets back from her happy 2 hours. Shouldn't Luke have to do a "spider dance"???? hehe

Vykin
3:22 pm

Roger (regor) Agree a big fat ugly hairy spider dance. (i may have to sign off for an hour or two shortly but will be back by 5:30 pm our time)

Noslonna

Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 03:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Thurs Oct 26

Living Room

Moondance
1:37 pm

Just checking in to see if anyone is around?



Himay10ns
2:17 pm

Hi kids!! I'm getting ready to head out the door for happy hour. I'm gonna drink a swirl margarita and I promise to be home by 7 which is 5 your time! Then I'm yours for the rest of the night!!

Hey Lukey....don't forget Will and Grace tonight!! Wooohooooo.......

This is our last night together....<sniff, sniff>



Roger
2:52 pm

Hey there everyone----done playing with all those chemicals today. Didn't blow up myself or anything else. I should be close to my desk for the rest of the day---a "rest of the afternoon" meeting was canceled by my manager.

Hay, have we kicked Moon's and Luke's butts yet on the challenge???



Moondance
3:12 pm

I don't think soooooooo



Vykin
3:15 pm

For the Eyes of sn10yamih and rogor (code names)
proceed to WR for important message



Vykin
3:15 pm

OOPS! That's Regor



Vykin
3:19 pm

Luke, I don't want to you miss your concert either, I can accomodate Saturday morning. That would actually be better for me also. I think host had a certain time limit for saturday am.
But its fine with me.



Roger
3:23 pm

Moon--if not yet, we are about to!! mwahaha

Prepare to go down in defeat---or just prepare to go down! Ok, now THAT was a cheap shot---I admit to being fairly proud of that one!!!

Vyk---provided response in appropriate location



Moondance
3:33 pm

Yeah, well it takes 3 of you to even come close to what Luke and I add up too!

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 03:26 am Click here to edit this post
Thurs Oct 26

Living Room

Roger_Ramjet
3:41 pm
Oh, no--we were givem 3 by the Host... I think each of us individually could take you both down. That would be 3 separate defeats, crushing you beyond hope. Consider yourselves lucky that Host put the 3 of us against you--now you will experience only 1 slaughter, instead of 3 different slaughters!

Luke will slip up, walking into a nest of big hairy spiders. You will see a group of kitties needing help. Do not worry, it will not be us to provide the kitties... now the nest of spiders is another thing all together.

Moondance
4:09 pm
uummmm then stay out of our folder

Roger_Ramjet
4:28 pm
Where is my name in your folder? hummm?? haha

Roger_Ramjet
4:56 pm
Hy, any of you Hosers, out there?

Moondance
5:03 pm
Ain't no hoser... hater!


Roger_Ramjet
5:08 pm
Moon is a mole! A... Hoser-Mole!

How has it been going today? It sounds like banishment is Saturday morning then? Is that the way everyone wants it?

Hey, you stay out of our challenge thread, or I'll strap you to a nuclear warhead--I save a few of them from the Army you know!! Shhh, don't tell them! hehe

Moondance
5:22 pm
Hey... May has been in ours too!

Don't worry, I didn't peak... we are only short a couple of questions anyway so why would we need your help.

Roger_Ramjet
5:34 pm
Bad May--bad May! Sounds like you are closer to being done than we are. I hope we can work on it tonight as we all chat.

I was going to take off shortly to have dinner with the oldest son who is in from out of state--just like him though--didn't hear about it till 1/2 hour ago. Same old kid.

I responded to you about the freezer... take a look. I actually am proud of what I did, although as you will see, would noever want it to be seen I would use it in this game. I take what could be done with that situation very personal

Moondance
5:37 pm
well have a great dinner! I will go check out the thread... I had left you a message also in there

Luke
5:53 pm
(stumbling out of bed) Man, I wish this room would stop moving... STOP MOVING! Ugh... is anyone around? Um... Hello?

Moondance
5:57 pm
Hey there Lukey Luke... hey check out our challenge so far... we are making progress!

Luke
6:03 pm
beatcha to it Moon--already started working... I'm in there right now...

Himay
6:19 pm
Hola! Como Esta? I'm back from Margaritaville! I'm ready to work on the challenge... Regor? Nikyv? You around?

Luke
6:21 pm
Challenge? If you need some help, maybe I can help you three out... hehehehe!

Himay
6:27 pm
BTW, I was in Team "B"orings Room, but I was invisible! hehehe

Himay
7:20 pm
Hey Moon... looks like Lukey left you for a bit... wanna chat til everyone comes back??

Roger_Ramjet
7:24 pm
Hello my fellow BGs! I'm back. It was good to see the oldest.. .don't hear from him ever.

I got your message about not getting the emotion out of it Moon. I don't know that the long version will give you any emotion either--I was pretty much without emotion while going through it. I little intensity was going on though! hehe May, WR alert

Moondance
7:26 pm
Hey guys... BTW May how you would know if Luke left me if you weren't in our folder So whats up with us tonight?

Roger_Ramjet
7:29 pm
Did you see the note from Host asking us when we want banishment? (Fri or Sat). Asked for it ASAP. Do you suppose we should come up with a time we can all agree to and get back to Host?

Luke
7:31 pm
Not to worry moon... even though I'm eating right now, I'm checking in... in more places that one hehehehe!!! Don't be intimidated by their WashRoom talk... I got us covered, sis! :)

Luke
7:32 pm
actually, I've kinda devised a plan so that I am able to go to the concert... is everyone okay with saturday morning? if so, that would be really wonderful (and would also give us one more night together!)

Himay
7:35 pm
Sat morn is fine with me... just decide on a time. I'll be there.

And yes, my little Moondance... I was lurking! hehehe Honestly, not looking at your decisions, just wanting someone to talk to!

Moondance
7:39 pm
LOL May DQ Saturday morning is fine as long as we can be done by 8:45

Luke
7:42 pm
hey since you guys are doing this for me, i'll get up at any time you say... moon, what's most convenient for you?

Roger_Ramjet
7:44 pm
If we do it Saturday, I just need to be able to leave by 10:00 for awhile (till noon board time). I'd hope to get in good byes afterward, etc. Would 8:00 work for everyone here as far as when we start????

Moondance
7:44 pm
Lets say 8:00. What do you guys think?

Luke
7:45 pm
you guys rock... 8:00 it is... thanks eveyrone!!!!

Himay
7:46 pm
8:00 AM is good (that's 10 for me, hehehe)... should I email Host?

Roger_Ramjet
7:47 pm
Moon, if we say 8:00 it will cut you really close on that 8:45. last time on chat Host let us go over. Do you want time to say good bye, then after they leave to grieve for a few minutes?? Or did you want to save that for after your return? How about 7:30 board time?? That will give a little cushion.

Moondance
7:47 pm
Luke do you want to e-mail the Hostess with the mostest

Moondance
7:48 pm
Whatever you guys think... what does the Vykiness say?

Roger_Ramjet
7:51 pm
I wonder if he's got any Canadian Labatt's at his place? May, did you have a good happy hour? See any waiters you'd want to talk to about food? hehe

Luke
7:53 pm
yeah... i was thinking that too... i can do 7:30... that would only be 9:30 for May... If that's okay with Moon, then we just need Vyk to confirm, and then i'll email hostess...

Himay
7:53 pm
No more food sex for me! I've had it with the meanie banners. 7:30 is fine for me, as well.

Roger_Ramjet
8:00 pm
Didn't Affin know it was joking around? Ask him about SMG when you see him... what does "hot" mean? Is he your cabana boy, or is that just board fun? I don't know much about him, and you haven't said much as far as reality in terms of him) And why does Hoser-Mole flirt with him? LOL

Moondance
8:02 pm
I am in love with Mathew Perry. oh I'm sorry we weren't talking about that. hey who you callin' a Hoser-Mole, Hater?

Himay
8:06 pm
Roger, I met Affinity in the chat room about 4 days before we were chosen for the game. He is about 1/2 my age. I was flirting with him and started calling him my little cabana boy.

We carried the flirting into the house and then he sent the proposal banner. We talked about our impending marriage in the chat room. I don't think I ever gave him an answer. All the while, him and Moon have been flirting. I figured the proposal was a hoax.

So then I was dared to have sex with you. I tried to make it funny so that he would know is was just a dare. It certainly wasn't erotic! LOL

Anyway, I was slammed with the meanie banner this morning. If he's seeing Norquerdo, I guess there isn't much I can do. We'll have to chat when I get out of here! But I'm not worried about him. He's a big boy. I just want to stay in the Play WRoom with you guys!!

Luke
8:06 pm
MATTHEW PERRY? DID SOMEONE SAY MATTHEW PERRY? (starting to pant...) Isn't he dreammmmyyyyy?

Himay
8:08 pm
What is SMG?? Matthew Perry... so so! But Matt Lauer! WooHoo!

Roger_Ramjet
8:11 pm
May--half your age?? Ok, that works?? Hey, as long as they aren't jail bait--he's not <18 is he?? Are you a tart??? hehe Did I call someone a Hoser-Mole???? Why, yes I did!! A Moon Hoser-Mole. Or is that Hoser-Moon-Mole???

I saw Hemlet Guy wandering around the discussions--has anyone grabbed him?? HEY, VYK!!! Do you have a RR, or a WR message???

Moondance
8:11 pm
NO matthew Perry is funny and OMG never mind... Rabbit.... BITE ME!

Roger_Ramjet
8:17 pm
You want a rabbit bite??? That would leave teeth marks----what would people say???

Roger_Ramjet
8:21 pm
Affinity
Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 12:27 pm
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Am I too old to be watching this. I just think that SMG is hot!!
Roger_Ramjet
8:24 pm
May, you can win him back!!!! I have seen you turn on the charm!! Get him!

Moondance
8:25 pm
Roger Rabbit... where did you get that post?

Himay
8:26 pm
Moon, are those your initials?? SMG??

Roger_Ramjet
8:27 pm
May!! LOL

Moondance
8:27 pm
No MayDQ... not my Intials

Luke
8:29 pm
Am I witnessing a menage' tois?

Himay
8:31 pm
AH HA! I found that post, too! He was talking about Sarah Michelle Gellar (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)! So he's cheating on ME! AFFINITY! Come clean!

Roger_Ramjet
8:31 pm
Luke, no, although maybe a fight if May gets her hands on SMG--star of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Himay
8:33 pm
VYK! Where are you? It's getting late here in Little Rock. I'm getting soooo sleepy! We need to work on the challenge.

Roger_Ramjet
8:33 pm
May, wow, you don't sit on the side lines do you! Get him!

Himay10ns
8:37 pm
Roger, I'm gonna have to get to bed. You and Vyk can discuss the challenge. I've consolidated our decisions. Looks like you have some different ideas. You might want to post your reasons. We certainly don't have to give our final answer tonight. If you guys can discuss tonight, we can post our answer tomorrow.

Nite Moon... Nite Lukey... Nite WRoger.,, Nite Vyk!

Luke
8:40 pm
Sweet dreams May... See you in the morning!

Roger_Ramjet
8:40 pm
May--have a good night, and I'll check in as best I can tomorrow. Have a great evening! We will have something waiting for you if Vyk shows up.

Moondance
8:41 pm
Good Night May... Sweet Dreams

Vykin
8:45 pm
okay sorry I was pontificating in the new topic discussion then I had phone calls (in my real world)
Luke 7:30 is early but I will have to set alarm
no problem w/me

Luke
8:49 pm
Serious, Vyk? you're awesome... thanks so much... I really appreciate it... I'll start recruiting all my friends for your campaign right now. I'm going to email the host.. 7:30 on saturday morning... kewl?

Roger_Ramjet
8:50 pm
Hey Vyk--I know what you mean by set the alarm! It's worth it to me if we can all be there, plus getting those extra hours to be in here. Hey you will have more time to WRite stuff for the discussions... anyone have an idea of what they'd like to do tonight?

Vykin
8:51 pm
LOL LUke I already said earlier I don't want you to miss your concert, besides it gives us another night in the house

Luke
8:52 pm
Moon--Do you think they actually believe we're as dense as we look? All this WRiting stuff and everything. They should just accept the fact that they're out-smarted. <sigh>

Vykin
8:53 pm
Regor WR short post seems if 2 out of 3 we go with majority? or shud we debate? we have until 3pm our time tomorrow to submit, but... whats your thoughts?

Luke
8:54 pm
Thanks again, Vyk... Because of your kindness, I'll remember not to rub it in too hard when Moon and I kick your a... ahem... behinds on the challenge tomorrow!

Roger_Ramjet
8:55 pm
Hey, Hoser-Spider--watch it! First to answer your question, yes, we do believe that! haha Facts I'll accept--that we are out-smarted I won't accept. Why--because it's not a fact.

Roger_Ramjet
8:58 pm
Vyk--we do have time, and you and May will be around tomorrow. I'm willing to write short explanation as to why for you guys to mull over. Or, I can go te other way and just go majority. Do you want me to put in a few minute's effort? No problem doing so! Luke--settle down! LOL

Luke
9:01 pm
UGH! Hotmail isn't working... what's the host's email address?

Moondance
9:02 pm
So what are we up to tonight

Roger_Ramjet
9:04 pm
Anything you want Moon! Hey, as we do this, I'm working on that freezer story. Vyk, Luke--what sounds goog tonight--I mean for the game here

Vykin
9:07 pm
I kinda liked the one yesterday when we all answered a question. Who of us is here right now ? is moon here also?

Luke
9:08 pm
hey--everyone--I gotta email the host, but it seems my hotmail is down... what's the host's email address?

Roger_Ramjet
9:10 pm
Luke Host [host@enbcom.com]

Luke
9:12 pm
¡Muchísimas gracias, don Rogelio!

Moondance
9:12 pm
I have a question for us. What was the last book you read? How did it affect you?

Luke
9:13 pm
sure, I'm up for that game, vyk... moon-you there?

Roger_Ramjet
9:20 pm
LOL! Men are From Mars, Women are From Venus--read it years ago!! Affected me a lot--gave information that worked, although much of it I can't relate to/understand why it should work.

Moondance
9:23 pm
I thought it was a good question ... then I had to think what I did read last LOL Neale Donald Walsch... 'Relationships... Applications for Living'

I loved his Conversations with God Books 1-3. I think it had a spiritual effect by hitting home the fact that in relationships we are different. We spend so much time trying to change people to be like us that we loose sight of the person in front of us.

Luke
9:23 pm
Elogio de la Insurrección (Elogy of the Insurrection) by Marqués de Sade. I was walking through the Castro (San Francisco's gay district), and walked into my favorite store called "A Different Light". They have a great selection of books on gay/lesbian themes, and a pretty good foreign language section. I picked up this book in Spanish, and the first chapter was a dialogue, written as if it were a script of a play or movie, between a priest and a man about to die.

The priest was trying to convince the man that there is an afterlife, and that he should repent for his sins, and the dying man was responding to the priest using reason and rational thought. It was great, because he was able to totally shut the priest up to the point where the priest gave up. However, it was a great philosophical discourse on the existence of God.

The book is a translation of the original French work La philosophie dans le budoir and continued with other existential topics. In college, I loved existentialism, especially existentialism in regards to religion. I guess in my journey in trying to find some sort of God that is separate from this institutional Catholic church, this book gave me yet another view on life, and how not everything necessarily fits into the nice, clean boxes of explanations that the Holy Mother Church has set up for us.

Roger_Ramjet
9:39 pm
Vyk-- a book?? Luke, a little light reading for you, hey???

Vykin
9:39 pm
Man I read so many books, technically last one was my Websters dictionary (lol) hold on let me go remind myself, Haven't read anything since this game. I just forget the title of the book in septe. I'll check and respond

Moondance
9:41 pm
Roger - Luke do you want to ask a question while we wait on Vy?

Roger_Ramjet
9:44 pm
Luke--go ahead--your book was way better than mine--by impressiveness anyway!! LOL

Luke
9:49 pm
Okay... this is our last night... wait--it's our SECOND to the last night in this house... Well, pretend that it's our last night in the house. What is one thing you have been wanting to say in here, but may have kept hidden because of nervousness about opening up, or for any other reason...

Roger_Ramjet
9:53 pm
I have to say that I can't think of anything I've been holding back that I want to say. I am writing a response to something Moon asked for, although it wasn't something I was holding back fora reason... just a part of my life that I haven't said to most people... it's one of those things you have to get asked--you know, like favorite sex position... you just don't go around saying it to everyone.

I know I've been real up front with everyone--hell look at the number of posts I've made!!! LOL

Luke
9:57 pm
Oooh... so now we know how to answer that question "Which player posts too often..." Thanks, Roger! hehehehe

Vykin
9:58 pm
Okay before I was locked up, I read two books,
One is non-fiction Human Behavior at Work - Organizational Behavior. Its mainly a textbook on the various dynamics that occur in the workplace. How people employees/management/union interact within organizations. Its a reference manual.
Okay I'm gonna post this just to let you know I'm hear and post about my fictional book

Moondance
10:02 pm
I really don't know what more to say about myself... I have tried to open up on everything... to the point I thought it was too much about me. No secrets that I can think of

Vykin
10:04 pm
Moon I've seen yur question and will respond right after this post.

The last fictional book I read, is actually one of my favorites. It is probably the only book I've re-read more than 10 times since the mid80s.
The book is by a french author, Jean-Loup Seltzer
it is called "The Green King". I only have the paperback version, it has become so tattered, I have recently ordered a hard copy. It is really difficult to get.

The book is about a 17yr old boy escaping a Nazi death camp where dead bodies were thrown in a hole and covered with lime. The war is over. The boy survives makes his way to New York, he is mysterious, he sets up hotdog stands, and from there more. Eventually he accumulates a billion dollar empire. He is a complex person, those close to him, with are a minute few privileged people don't even know him. His ultimate goal, is to make enough money to create a country in SouthAmerica. It is one of the most fascinating books I've ever read.

Luke
10:07 pm
I'm kind of buzzing right now anyways... (too much fume blanc)... Roger or Vyk--do you have a ? to ask?

Moondance
10:09 pm
That book sounds great Vy... I may have to get that.
Luke Sounds like a roof... over my head
Seriously, I would be interested in reading it!
Rabbit... I read that one too!

Roger_Ramjet
10:15 pm
I too would be reading Vyks book!! Luke's too if it was in English!!

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 04:04 am Click here to edit this post
Living Room

Vykin
10:16 pm
Any other things we wish to share? Hmmm. I meant to answer lukes, rogers religious discussion. I'll do that.

I am 4th generation Canadian, in 1899 my ancestors immigrated from Russian to Canada. They were being persecuted by the Russian Orthodox Church of that day. They were flogged, hung, etc. Main reason, the Church wanted them to give their money to it.

My ancestors (group involved around 30,000) believed in God, they believed in Christ. However, their beliefs differed as such. They felt "religion" was a "man-made invention. They accepted the Bible as a good resource, but don't use the Bible as a tool for our own prayers.
They believed, that if one believes in God and Christ, one does not need to have Icons to prove that belief. They believed, you do not need a Church, in gilded gold, to pray to God. God hears you at any time you wish to speak with him, and anywhere you may be.

Their only symbols are: Bread, Salt, Water. These are the 3 things a human needs to survive. These are our only symbols. WE believe in Peace - that is our main "goal".

To the extent that, in Russian, in the late 1800's my ancestors came up with 3 fundamental principles of life or goals to work to achieving. They did not believe in killing. They were against war. (To this day, I think we are the only group who are exempt from any military service, we do not get called to go to war).

The other principles are not to eat meat, or take substances which will harm our body. (the last two are issues in the present day many have difficulty with. i.e. I eat meat, I smoke).

We believe that in order to make music, you don't necessarily need instruments. So we are strong into singing accapello. But that doesn't mean you don't use instruments at times. Acapello is our trademark though.

Part II

We believe in helping our fellow man, neighbor, and our children. One of the ingrained things into people is to ensure you can set aside land for your children, especially if you are a son.

So many of our children at least when they grow up and marry, receive some form of land. With the intent that: "take care of the land, the land will take care of you".

We have many prayers, including the Lord's Prayer. We do not believe so much in the religion ways, but in preserving our heritage, our culture, and mostly our "way of life" that is the focus, rather than a Church.

We are a "spiritual" people. We are not a cult, we are assimulated into Canadian society. We are educated people, and contribute in all manners in society. We don't force our religious beliefs onto other people (i.e. like the JW). We aren't "Holy Rollers". Our pray services are quiet and orderly.

However, having said the above, our people have not been without conflict. In the early 1900s in Canada, a fanatic group broke away, they held nude parades, etc.
The conflict continued until actually the early 90s. This particular sect which broke away had "wolves in sheeps clothing" infiltrate them. They were brainwashed, just as like any cults. Finally things are calmer now.

I think I will leave it at that for now. On the spirituality, I think at times in some of my posts, that spirituality is reflected in them. At least I hope it is.

Moondance
10:34 pm
That was awsome Vy!

Roger_Ramjet
10:31 pm
WOW Vyk!!!!! This is amazing!!! I wish I had known about this/you sooner Thank you so very much for sharing this!!!!!!!!!

Luke
10:36 pm
That was really cool, vyk... if I'm ever up there in canada--I'd love to get to know more about your faith--and others that share that same faith.

Moondance
10:39 pm
It goes with all that you have stated in different discussion threads Vy. Every thing falls in to place

Vykin
10:40 pm
Moon our people have close relationships with First Nations people here in Canada. Much more I could say, but we understand what your people have gone through in terms of stigmatism of society. Roger, that book. I have a gut feeling you would really like it when you read it. Check your libraries out.

Moondance
10:22 pm
What did you look like in 5th grade? Describe yourself.
Vykin
10:30 pm
ROFLMAO MOON
This will be short: I looked like hell, had to wear glasses, freckles, lanky. soup-bowl haircut

Roger_Ramjet
10:33 pm
Moon: skinny, short, glasses, nerdy looking, crew cut (thanks to my dad) But at least I had hair!!!

Moondance
10:36 pm
Okay combo of my question and Luke's. I ask these questions without thinking... Ugh this is embarrassing!
I was pretty popular with the boys ... not what you think!

I had 3 upper sets of teeth. My baby set was fine but when I lost them and my second set never grew in ... the Dentist took x-rays. My second set (what is in my mouth now) was up in my gums too far and upside down ... the also found 7 extra teeth which they removed.

In the surgery they turned my teeth right side up ... it took 2 years to finally grow in so I had a plate of 6 false front teeth. The guys would sat ... hey Stace, lets see your teeth and I would blop my plate out... whoo hoo popularity!

By the time I was in 5th grade my permanent teeth were cutting through while I was still wearing the plate then eventually gave it up. I had gaps when most of the kids had their teeth

I had long hair that I wore in braids ... looked like a little toothless Indian! Long skinny chicken legs and I had a really loud laugh.

Okay I answered my grade 5 question. I await the next.

Luke
10:42 pm
Hey everyone, I'm going to get some sleep in hopes that I can put in a full day at work tomorrow. Thanks again, for being flexible with the banishment time. I love you all

I just finished my discussion room post that i've been working on for a while--I was going to do a RedRoom post, but now I'm too tired so the Interrogator will have to wait. Whether it be Saturday morning or Monday, I'm going to miss hanging out in here with you all.

Roger_Ramjet
10:46 pm
Moon, I got that written up about the freezer--it's long as I told you. Let me know if you have any comments---it will be in the challenge where you asked me to tell you about it.

Moondance
10:47 pm
Good night Lukey! Sweet Dreams. You should ask a question Vy

Roger_Ramjet
11:01 pm
Moon, Vyk--it's your turn to ask Vyk??

Vykin
11:07 pm
Okay, let me see, If there was any place in the world that you would like to go and see where is it and why would you want to go there?

Roger_Ramjet
11:13 pm
New Zealand. I understand many feel it's a great place to go. Different look, great climate, a wonderful feel to the place, nice people, and I'd make a scuba diving vacation of it.

Ok, a tie---if I could speak French, I would want to go on a wine taesting vacation to a couple of the wine regions of France...be able to learn so muc about wines, talk to the people who are generations into the business, and relax with some food and a good glass of wine....and have a few cases of some of my finds shipped home to be able to enjoy for years to come.

Vykin
11:16 pm
Roger that is great! When I was in Nice last year on the cruise, I picked up a few bottles of wine there. there are some great winetasting vacations I've read about. I wouldn't worry about the language, many speak english.

There are two places I would like to go. I don't know why but every since I can remember, I always wanted to go to Egypt. I would like to see the pyramids and cruise down the Nile.

The second place is South American down (or up) the Amazon River. I think it would be incredible to go into the jungle and see one of the places on earth with the greatest ecosystem. (of course I would want to make sure the spiders stayed away from me)

Roger_Ramjet
11:23 pm
Vyk, I'm glad I know someone who's done that vacation! I really enjoy wines, although they can take a chunk out of the pocket... well at leats mine, because if I like one, I buy it!

Moondance
11:25 pm
I want to go to the Greek Isles! I want to scuba dive along that wonder reef of theirs! I hear it is beautiful. My best friend went for honeymoon and took some amazing pix... underwater!

Roger_Ramjet
11:28 pm
Moon--good choice for such a vacation!! I've heard about it from a couple of guys that went when we were in Turkey--I had forgotten! Vyk, I have to agree with your idea of going on the Amazon!! What a one place on earth experience!

After hearing some of the things we've shared over the past few days, I'd like to get your take on why you believe humans can do these kinds of things to each other??

Vykin
11:37 pm
Rog I was just in Nice for 1 day (thats how cruiseships are) Moon I was in Greece for honeymoon years ago.
You would love it!

Okay I'm gonna say good night, but before I leave, I just came from the Abuse file. Moon/Luke I left message there for you.

We've all said how the last 5 of us have really melded together, lets stay friends after this game is over. I believe in the past few days, we've all shared some really dynamic stuff. Personal things, funny things.
So with that, I say Good Night my friends, and I am really glad, us "top 5" will have a full night here tomorrow (though Luke will be concerting) he will be here in spirit.

Roger_Ramjet
11:39 pm
Vyk, good night to you! I have enjoyed our conversations tonight, along with the other fine people. I will see you in the morning. Sleep well.

Moondance
11:43 pm
Good Night Vy! Sweet Dreams and thanks for everything!

Roger_Ramjet
11:43 pm
Vyk--the things like abuse--the negative we do. Abuse when one on one, wars and torture in groups, hate crimes, murders, rapes, taking of life's savings, the kinds of things we've expereinced and shared here, or talked about.

The more I try to figure out why it happens, the more I can't grasp it well. Maybe the insights of you guys will help me to find some plasuable reason (there can be no good reason) who this stuff happens

Moondance
11:46 pm
I know Roger... the more it happens... the more I don't why ... then agin, I hope I never do.

Roger_Ramjet
11:51 pm
Moon, I asked the question of you guys as to why you think this type of stuff happens. I hope that we can find out or figure out why someday. For however ugly the reasons are, before there can be any change, we will need to know what are the causes.

Noslonna

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Vykin
Thurs Oct 26 - 11:56 pm
Roger good question. In short, who knows? Its a crazy world. Here's what my opinion is. I said in an earlier post, cud be in serial killers.

That we, humans have the animal instinct. If the scientific theory is correct that we evolved from apes. Though I believe in God, the rational part of me can accept scientific or Darwin's theory too. Animals have a natural instinct to kill. Its their "survival" mechanism.

Therefore, each and every human being on earth has a natural instinct to kill. The difference is - to what level does that instinct rise? Some people are violent from the beginning of their early years.
Some have grown up in violence.

We are lucky in North American, we have not seen the suffering that war torn countries have seen. Example, Bosnia, many African countries etc.

This is just an observation, but those who have been ripped apart by everyday warlike violence - seem to have love in their families. Somehow I don't believe Domestic Abuse is a part of their lives. Is it because they get abuse outside their homes? could be.

Now to get back to us. We have been lucky in the Americas. NO wars, no dictators trying to take over government etc. We aren't refugees, our countries take in refugees.

We subconsciously, as citizens (when i say we, it will refer to canada/usa), receive continuous "subliminal" messages such as "we have the right to...; our govts are the powers in the world...; we are progressive. etc"

I'll post this now and begin part two so you have something to read roger and respond I'm not finished though

Roger
Fri Oct 27 - 12:04 am

Vyk--I'd like to take waht you have written above and what else you will say and cogitate on it. I have some basic thoughts as almost immediate responses, and would like to expand upon them in my mind, and see if I can make some ties. I will either post late tonight or sometime tomorrow. part of my brain is still in work mode since I've been doing work all evening--missed out on 8 hours of what I would do because of spending 8 hours in the lab when I thought it would be only 2! LOL. Some god thoughts you have raised though, and will give me fuel for thought.

Vykin
Fri Oct 27 - 12:06 am

Our egos grow, we lose track of value, morality, etc. and ...we get bored. When we get bored, we want to exert power, we want to "stand up and be counted", the ego grows bigger. Boredom turns to excitement, then fantasy. Then - fantasy begins to weave its way into reality.

We are in a fast paced society - no time to stop and think - that fantasy should not turn into reality. So we strike without thought. First its a slap, then another slap then a third only harder. Man that feels good! The mind thinks, I have control!

Fantasy begins to eat at the rational mind. Next time I'll try hit back harder, after all it wasn't all my fault. Harder hit, this time a fist. (Let me stop here and say it equally applies to woman striking out at men).

Pretty soon the persons' reality thought process has succumbed to the fantasy. Harder blows, no apologies any more. The Abuser turns into a raging animal - a beast! Perhaps the Abuser is stopped - perhaps not. If not, the end result is death to the prey.

That is part on how I rationalize it. Thus the animal instinct in every human. (There is a part 3 but it will be short. Bear with me)

Roger
Fri Oct 27 - 12:09 am

No problem--I don't mind the wait!

Moondance
12:12 am
Great posts so far Vy!

Vykin
12:17 am

In some ways, we in the "freeworld" have corrupted our minds with all the pleasures at our feet. Tv,Music, jobs, homes, list is endless.
I don't want to sound melodramatic but in some ways some in society have become the Caligula
of modern day.

Those who are weak minded, are most succeptible.
Most often they are men, but not always. There are a specific set of characteristics that contribute to the psychological "makeup" of the Abuser. This develops at an early age.

It is said that the lifelong character and personality of a human being will be completed decided by the time they reach the age of six.
Whatever minut thing happens to a child btwn 0-6yrs old will be the foundation of their life.

Abusers can't "help themselves", they don't have the necessary tools that signal them to stop, like most humans do. So they go out of control. It is "pre-decided" long before the victims suffers the ramifications. Almost like being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The victim, for example, moon/luke perhaps doesn't realize it, because most humans don't expect it to happen to them. The abuser at first may appear like the greatest person on earth. and turn out to be their worst nightmare.

It is not their fault they should never feel they are too blame. Moon/Luke are survivors, they found that strength deep in the most bottom part of their souls. They succeeded!

Moondance
12:23 am
Yes vy... that is what I meant when I said that there were red flags everywhere but I choose not to see them... I took the hardest path for that lesson.

Vykin
12:19 am

I just want to say, those are my opinions, or based on anything I know about the subject, thats they way I interpet it.

Good Night Moon (isn't there abook with that name? LOL)
Good Night Roger. I'll be back in the morning to catch up on your conversations for sure!

Roger
12:20 am
Vyk, as mentioned above, I'd like to put otgether all you've said and come up with responses either later tonight or later tomorrow. You bring up many interetseing theories!

Good for me to mold and twist around and see how they bounce back. athsnk for putting that kind of thought into it. I will do the same in my response. Vyk--have a great night!!! See you in the morning, and we will kick ot that challenge!

Moondance
12:20 am
Night Vykiness!

Roger
12:16 am
Hey Moon, you remember that question about how you like to be praised... the one where I said there were 4 groups in respect to what was taught in the class--I don't think I'll post in as a discussion. I have someting "bigger" to post--so I'll ask if you'd be willing to answer hear?

Moondance
12:18 am
I am not sure what you are refering to

Roger
12:22 am
Moon=Hoser-Mole! Moon, you want to to clarify now, or do you need to turn in??

Moondance
12:28 am
I am pretty tired... and I have a bad feeling in my stomach about this banishment. I want to stay so bad! But you know this game has had so many similarities to BB that it makes me wonder if there won't be just the men left... or I am just tired and need to sleep in this wonderful rain we are having here! Good Night sweet man! Love you!

Roger
12:31 am
Moon--if it's any comofort, the women in here are nothing like the women of BB! The three finalists will not be 3 men, take that one to the bank! Have sweet dreams, and we will talk again tomorrow!

Noslonna

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Vykin
6:03 am
Morning HIMays, I have a feeling you're up and ready to roll today! Morning Moon/Roger/Luke when you wake up. I'm up early today so I thought I'd make some coffee and check in.

Roger
8:15 am
Ney there Vyk--I posted the last of the information in the challenge thread. I'm still processing your information along with the subjective smatterings of what I have.

Did you see the banner everyone? That was quite a message from the outside!

Himay
8:17 am
Hi Regor and Nikyv! I'm going to post our final answers now... Muaaahhhhaa! Let's kick some a$$!!

Roger
8:22 am
May, hehe, that sounds great. It is good that we have all developed such great relationships with each other, or it would hurt Luke and Hoser... err sorry, I mean Moon, when we claim the run away victory in this last challenge for all 5 of us.

Himay
8:27 am
I'm going to work on the new discussion topic... I'll be around... Yeah, Rog--WE RULE!

Roger
8:28 am
Way to go May!

Moondance
8:44 am
Good Morning. It rained all night and I slept like a baby! It rarely rains here ... at least as hard as it did. That and my Mom is are the two things I miss about home.

Luke
9:43 am
Hello Hello Hello!!! I don't feel 100% up to normal yet, but I'm getting there... Tylenol and some extra-strength cough drops are hopefully going to get me through the day...

Luke
9:54 am
Yooooo hoooooo!!!! Wow... looks like I'm alone here... hmmm... let me go over to team B's WR--the WINNERS' ROOM!

Roger
10:00 am
Just checking in, and a good thing too!! I feel I owe it to you, Luke and Moon, that WE have the winner's room, so that your fall will be lessened if you sooner realize your room is the 2nd place team room.

Moondance
10:00 am
I am here... I was just waiting for you to catch up on the posts...

Luke
10:36 am
Aaahhhh Moon, the smell of victory is soooo sweet I can almost taste it! Hehehe Good Morning, Roger! I'm pretty sure I'll be able to handle the day at the office. I've been hearing that in order to get to this concert this evening, I may have to allow up to 4 hours for the commute since it's a friday afternoon! Well, I'm leaving 4 hours before the concert starts, so I should be pretty safe.

Moondance
10:52 am
Lukey Luke. What time are you going to be leaving? BTW Hater was not attened to you, sweets. The H knows who I was talking to!

Luke
10:57 am
I will actually leave work at 3:30 today... concert starts at 7:30 in Sacramento... Can you believe it? possibly up to 4 hours in the car! It'll be worth it, though... (hehehe... i told my boss I have a doctor's appointment... don't tell anyone!)

Moondance
11:02 am
your secret is safe with me!

Vykin
11:09 am
Lukor Drive careful! Make sure your vehicle doesn't have Firestone tires!

Roger
11:18 am
Luke, and make sure you stay clear of those California drivers!! Oooooops sorry, I forgot!! haha. Drive carefully though, and hope you have a great time tonight!!


Roger_
12:27 pm
btw, did you guys see the message from Host about "efficiency points"??? You guys had 61 mesages ot decide, which is 30.5 posts per team member. We had 56 posts, at 18.7 posts per team member. That is a difference of 12 posts, which is 12 points.

We posted our answer at 8:24, and yours was posted at 10:32. A point per 15 minute difference gives us an additional 8 points.

We have +20 points for efficiencies---and there is only a 3 point potential for different answers. Even if you get the three right and we don't, we win by 17 points!!!!

So, what do you think of that!!!

Moondance
12:27 pm
Funny I thought you guys agreed more with us!

Roger
12:28 pm
We had them down first, so you had to be agreeing with us! hahahahaaaaaaa See post above for Host's thought on that.

Moondance
12:34 pm


Roger
12:40 pm
neener, neener, boo, boo! (saying that in the msot grown-up voice I can muster) haha

Moondance
12:42 pm
So what is up with you today? How is work?

Roger_Ramjet
12:45 pm
I've been mopping our bay (the plce we store waste), and have much more mopping to do. We are having some visitors here Monday.

Moondance
12:47 pm
That doesn't sound like fun! What kind of visitors?

Vykin
1:11 pm roger sings to no one in particular: "sitting at the dock of the bay....wasting my time...

Moondance
1:13 pm
lol vy... How are you today? You were up early!

Roger
1:21 pm
Vyk--LOL! I may next go for "Strangle Hold" by Nugent

Himay
1:50 pm
Hi Kids! 30 more minutes and I'm headed home for the weekend! This has been a grueling week and today was month end close out. UGH! It's chilly and raining here, I can't wait to get home and put on some sweats and pour a nice glass of Chenin Blanc and curl up with my kitty at the computer! I guess it will just be us 4 tonight! I'm looking forward to it!!

Vykin
1:58 pm
Hey Moon, rog, Himay looks like just Four ON The Floor tonite! yeah moon, my real life decided to interfer with me today. Every time I try to post something another interruption. I haven't had any sleep since 4:30 this morning.

I am wiped I may sign off for a nap for couple hours so I can function this evening. Oh then my computer decided to give me one of those: Fatal Exception errors (I call them Fatal Attraction).

Roger
2:02 pm
Mopping is done. My back is doing well now. Hello May!
Moon, I was able to avoid banishment by reminding him that I am issue oriented in manners of work--always have been always will be...told him I'd banish myself Monday i he could tell me one time I haven't bee issue oriented, and in the case of this project, objective about each issue.....lokks like I'll be there Monday! I like winning!!!!

Vyk/May---are you happy with kicking the stuffing our of Luke and Hoser-Mole tonight with the challenge??

Hey, don't we all have differrent appointments at different times the next few days?????? Don't we need to tell Host the next time we will all be free at the same time is around, oh, Thursday??

Luke
2:03 pm
Oh my gawwwddd... I just went out to lunch with 2 friends of mine, and since it's Friday, and i've been eating chicken soup for the past 3 days, I decided to pig out... on a full slab of barbecue baby-back pork ribs!!! mmmmmm I'm so full i could burst!

Roger
2:06 pm
Luke, bet you will be set up with your laptop in a different location than your bed! May, have a glass of wine for me, will you?

Luke
2:08 pm
Hello everyone! I've only got about an hour left in here till later on tonite... have we heard anything on the Dareing Duo's victory on the challenge yet?

Moondance
2:11 pm
Hey everyone!!!! Hope Vy has a good nap... Roger rests his back and Luke has some tums!

Roger
2:19 pm
Luke---I've heard on your victory---I've heard it didn't happen! Moon, if I could have a good nap, I'd be able to take care of 2 things--my back and being tired! haha I'm hear with friends now, and that makes everything that much better.

Himay
2:21 pm
It's off to face the 5:00 Friday traffic! I'm going to run a few quick errands. I'm picking up some halloween sprinkles so I can bake some cookies this weekend and I need to get some candy for the trick or treaters. I'll see you guys in about an hour!!

Roger
2:29 pm
May, I saw your post on that area...actually it was enlightening. "Sally" sounds like a very "special" person. haha

Moon, have any of your friends tried to drag you away from the computer recently for a night out??

Moondance
2:34 pm
Yes, more than a couple of times but I wanted to devote as much time to it as possible... oh and yes I am a bit addicted

Roger
2:40 pm
Moon--LOL!!!! I'm way more than a bit addicted! I usually don't quit untill the wee hours of the morning, and have to be at work each day as well. Even in leaving so late, I have a very tough time signing off.....

At least we have a few hours more together than if we'd done thsi tonight at 6:00.

btw, what is daylight???????

Luke
2:39 pm
Aaarrggghhh!!! So Roger, I was typing a long post to the "Forgive and Forget" thread... in Notepad, right... just in case my browser were to crash... I had already over 4 paragraphs... and then guess what--my whole system crashes!! %#$%@! (and other expletives!)

Roger
2:43 pm
Luke---that sucks so much!! For me, I get bummed about that happening to me because I know that the second effort won't be quite the same--usually not quite as good. I know what you are experiencing---first hand!

Moondance
2:44 pm
The sun... couldn't tell ya!

Luke
2:46 pm
Yeah... that's something... what about Daylight Savings Time ending? I don't know about you guys, but when the sun starts to set an hour earlier, I get kinda depressed... yuck! Like the days are shorter... seems more dreary... That's this weekend you know! For those who will be staying in the house this weekend, that's an extra hour of LNC!

Moondance
2:50 pm
Lukey!!!! So when do you have to leave? I am sorry about your post... that sucks!!!!!

Luke
2:55 pm
Got about 1/2 hour left here... I've gotten such horror stories about this drive I'm about to take... Without traffic they say it's a 1 1/2 hour drive... but today, they're saying plan 3-4 hours!

Himay
3:04 pm
I'm home! The traffic was horrible so I decided to wait and run my errands tomorrow. There were so many accidents on the roads. We haven't had rain in weeks and I think these Arkansans have forgotten how to drive in the rain!! LOL I have my glass of wine and I'm set! Anybody around?? Drive safe Lukey and enjoy your night out.

Roger
3:12 pm
May--I'm around---earlier I asked if you'd have a glass of wine for me---I hope you're in the mood to get crocked!! Would you one 1 or 2 more after that first one of mine. Of course this would be in addition to what you want for yourself!!!

Luke
3:22 pm
Okay you guys... I'll try and join back up again with you in a few hours! Take care.

Roger
3:23 pm
Luke--have a great concert!!!

Moondance
3:26 pm
Have fun Luke... we will miss you

Luke
3:35 pm
whoops! (i actually ran back in to post this)...

just in case you want to see who I'm driving 4 hours to see tonite, go to http://www.mythicrain.com/

Have a great evening! See you all later!

Noslonna

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Roger
3:28 pm
Moon/May/Vyk, you guys nervous or worried about banishment???

Moondance
3:30 pm
I don't know what to think Rabbit...

Roger
3:31 pm
Why--what's up??

Moondance
3:34 pm
Nothing, I don't know what to think about it... silly. Just that simple. I am not happy that 2 are going but we all feel like that.

Moondance
3:50 pm
Is anyone around... what cha want to do?

Roger
3:56 pm
I want to get in a real hot tub with...never mind the last part! The first part is sure the case!

Moondance
4:00 pm
I could go for one myself but I think you earned it with your chores at work today

Rogert
4:01 pm
Too bad I can't do both!! I'd take this over just about anything!!

Moondance
4:20 pm
It's so quiet in here!

Roger
4:24 pm
I know! Hey, how about you answer the same question you asked me the other day---what is your favorite position--and why!!

Himay
4:26 pm
I'm here Moonie, I was just spending some quality time with my little sick kitty. I was laying on the bed with him. He's so beautiful... but the tumors in his belly just keep getting bigger and bigger. He has like 4 the size of golf balls now. They are located right at his little kitty nipples. One looks like it's about to break through the skin. It's dark purple... it's so sad...

Moondance
4:29 pm
Hi May!!!

Moondance
4:35 pm
Oh.. May, I am so sorry, I just saw your post! My heart goes out to you & Levi I wish I could do something...

Himay
4:35 pm
The vet says that cats tolerate pain well. If they feel pain, they just raise the threshold. He seems fine on the outside, but the tumors tell me his cancer is getting much worse.

Roger
4:38 pm
Sorry that is happening, May

Moondance
4:40 pm
I hate it when the best little souls suffer ... it's not fair. I am so sorry!

Himay
4:38 pm
Moon, in one of your pics on your fansite, there is a big white kitty sitting next to you. What type of cat is he/she? And what is it's name??

Moondance
4:44 pm
That's Sabastian... he is my oldest... 13 He is a chinchilla Persian that didn't have enough gray and was sick so the breeders were going to get rid of him (not sure how) ... and get this, they were nuns that bred this type of cat to raise money! He has been in and out of the Doctors ... lots of operations for urinary stuff.

Moondance
4:46 pm
The other pix of the kitty kissing me... lol... his name is Shilo... he was found in an alley with his brother Sherman.

Himay
4:47 pm
Levi is a full bred bluepoint Himilayan Persian. I got him from a cattery in Del Rio, Texas back in 1987. He's 13, too! He sits right next to me when I'm on the computer, just like Sebastian in that picture. They look like they are just about the same size.

What do you guys think about having to read 7000+ posts when we get out! That's going to be days of reading!

Roger
4:47 pm
I look forward to it! It will take awhile, although it will be worth it as part of the experience. And you??

Himay
4:49 pm
I think it will be very enlightening to read all the posts. I'm probably just gonna start from the beginning and read all the way through. It'll be a HOOT! I'm going to have to get used to typing Dilligaf again.

Moondance
4:52 pm
I love that May. It's Sabastian's place right next to me too... he's the boss. I had to get him a spiked collar so people didn't call him pretty... he didn't like that and beat up the neighbors cat... but after he sports his collar he doesn't need to prove he handsome not pretty! Levi is such a cute name... Go Persians!

Himay
4:54 pm
His registered name is Sir Levi Strauss of Rockytop. He is definitely the boss! He's an indoor cat so I had him declawed and neutered when he was young. He's been the perfect little buddy for 13 years! So what's on the agenda tonight?

Roger
4:52 pm
I'm going to have to kick Moon buns---she keeps calling me Roger Rabbit, and I keep trying to type that as my user name! DAMN! I've even tried my real first name a couple of times late at night!! LOL! I've got to go back to Lancecrossfire... why can't these great cartoon characters have short names?

Moondance
4:58 pm
Rabbit LOL... too funny!

Oh May, declawing is so painful for poor little kitties... I would think about it next time... I have some scary studies on that. I love his reg. name! LOL too cute Saint Sabastian Adonis ... (my last name)

Roger
4:59 pm
not sure---Host hasn't said what the reward will be for winning the challenge....

I'm up for most anything tonight. (geez, I'm easy!) I'll go into town and get a buger or a sandwich and bring back out here a little bit later.

Anyone planning on taking a break at any specific time so I don't mess anything up????

Moondance
4:59 pm
My neighbor's cat would come over... I would watch him (all inside)

Himay10ns
5:06 pm
Moon, I don't know if there will be a next time. I've never dealt with the death of a pet since he's the only one I've ever had. I'm afraid I'm going to take it VERY, VERY hard. I can't see myself getting another cat at this point. I may change my mind down the road... but for now, I want him to be my one and only.

Roger... we could definitely set a time to meet back. I'm just going to read my new Oprah magazine and watch Providence. Set a time and I'll be here... I probably won't be eating much tonight. I had a 2-Tums lunch... LOL

Moondance
5:11 pm
Let me know ... any time is good for me!

Roger
5:11 pm
With my luck, I'd set a time, and two minutes into leaving, Vyk would be back!! That would suck! Moon, are you going to be away for any time in the near future??? I'd much rather you decide...that way it will probably work!

Himay
5:08 pm
Roger, do you think Host will announce the winner of the challenge tonight or tomorrow?? What if Vyk and I get banished... you'll have to celebrate on your own, LOL

Moon, here's a funny one from the "Dirty Minds" game...you should get this one in a flash!!

1. I sometimes get balls caught in my throat.
2. My box smells.
3. I can have a little pVssy.

What am I?

Moondance
5:12 pm
Kiity Cat!

Himay
5:13 pm
Bingo! hehehe

Roger
5:15 pm
I hope Host at laest announces winner and says what reward will be, even if it doesn't happen till tomorrow. Doesn't make sense for Host to provide a reward that any banished person couldn't share in--why have it?

Himay
5:17 pm
True... we need some excitement tonight! Or at least a reason to GLOAT! YeeHaw!

Moondance
5:22 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah

Roger
5:24 pm
Some of those questions last night were pretty cool!

Himay
5:34 pm
Well, it's kinda quiet in here. I think I'm going to run to Michael's and pick up some Halloween sprinkles so I can bake cookies tomorrow. Why don't we meet back at 7? Is that OK with you guys??

Moondance
5:36 pm
I will be here!

Roger
5:38 pm
Sorry, writing my response I promised Vyk last night about my question of why we abuse each other, kill, all that stuff. I'll be back at 7:00 too!!!

Noslonna

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Roger
5:54 pm
Vyk---an answer to your responses last night.

I think you have a good point about a killer instinct mixed with ego. With the exception of only one other animal, the rest of animals kill only for either food or self-defense. We seem to have the ability to kill for virtually any reason, and sometimes with a sick enjoyment of it!

Ego would explain it, or at least in part. Guess it might explain some of the other things humans do short of killing. It is too bad that we must be in control (or at least feel that way) so much that we do some of the things we do. It’s almost like we feel we have a right to take whatever actions we want on living creatures.

Making someone else look bad or feel bad so we look better--to ourselves or someone else. In both business and in personal matters---what a way to go about things.

I sometimes think that there is nothing more fragile that the male ego.

It is affected so easily, and usually in a negative way. Yes, females have egos as well, although it seems the affect on them is much different. Maybe they are as fragile.I’m not sure. Deep down, we seem to know how fragile they are, for look at the way we attack each other if it’s not killing. We go after the ego.we try to destroy it so that we may control the other person.

Look at what happened to Galileo when he said the earth wasn’t the center of everything..he was thrown in prison for the rest of his life, and it’s been only a few years that the church officially said he was correct. Can there be anything more egotistical to not only think we are the center of everything, yet we also take these kinds of actions against someone who would disagree, having proof.

It’s almost like we don’t want to hear the things that show thee may be something more---something that doesn’t fit the mold of humans being the Gods of the universe. Then it just trickles down to individuals..there are so many that feel they have to control someone by some means. The pathetic thing is that it seems the more a human wants to control another or a situation, the less control they seem to have over themselves------almost like they are making up what they can’t succeed in within themselves. Yet they go after someone else instead of attempting to deal with themselves. Much like people seem to be much better at giving advice to others than to themselves.

Where does respect fall into this issue???? I’m trying to see if there is any correlation between respect and such actions. Do people who respect themselves take these kinds of actions against others??? I’m not sure I know the answer to that one. Do people who respect someone else take such actions against that person?? I tend to say no, or at least there would be a lot less chance of it happening.

Could it be a combination of respect for yourself and others along with taking responsibility for yourself--not blaming others for whatever happens??? Let’s see--if a person had respect for themselves, had respect for other living creatures, and felt that whatever happens involving them is their responsibility--would that person act with traits we’ve been talking about??????

My first reaction is to say that no, they wouldn’t, or at least be a lot less likely to do something against another human or even an animal. Can it be as simple as an issue of respect and responsibility??? It doesn’t see likely, for if it were, don’t you think we’d have conquered this type of thing by now??? Or are we so blind to ourselves we can’t overcome the very basics of respect and responsibility??? Shit, now I may be more confuse than before!!

Well, I’m going to pay attention to this now. I’m going to look to the folks that treat others well to see if the have respect and a sense of responsibility. I’m going to look at those that don’t, and see if I can tell if they have them or not, or to what degree if somewhere between. I’m not going to solve the problem--I just need to try and define it for myself for my own piece of mind. To know if someday there is a chance for us.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 05:02 am Click here to edit this post
Friday, October 27

Living Room

Roger
6:30 pm
I'm back early...anyone else around???

Moondance
6:41 pm
I am here

Roger
6:52 pm
Hey there--working on work while waiting for everyone---always lots to do in that world. If I ever get low on it, I go looking for more! haha How are you do so far?? Anything spark your interest tonight?? Haven't heard from Host on our challenge....I'd like to know how it went.

Moondance
6:56 pm
Yeah, everything seems pretty quiet ... go ahead and work... I am working at my desk so if you want to talk, I am here. We can wait to see who shows up.

Himay
6:59 pm
I'm back! Just got back from Michael's and the grocery store. I'm gonna bake some Halloween cookies tomorrow!! I love to cook... While I was at the grocery store, they caught a man shoplifting. I was in the same store two weeks ago and they caught the SAME man shoplifting. I don't understand some people.

Anyone seen Vyk?? He's taking a long nap! We need to call him Rumplestiltskin when he gets back!!

Roger
7:05 pm
Or Rip Van Vinkle!!

So, you have a shoplifter following you into stores?? Don't let him get near your pockets!! LOL

I think Vyk has been doing other things today--such as having a good time--how dare he!!

Moondance
7:06 pm
May... you are kidding??? I don't know where Rumple is? He sounded busy today!

Himay
7:08 pm
So here we are... just the three of us! We've got to give the public some action! Do you think we are boring them to tears??

LOL about Rip Van Winkle, was he the one who slept for 20 years? Can you tell I don't have kids? Gonna have to brush up on my children's stories! LOL

Moondance
7:10 pm
Omg it was Rip that slept... yep, my kids have fur! No stretch marks

Himay
7:12 pm
LOL, too funny! My only child is furry, too! No stretch marks for me either!! And I still have perky breasts...

Moondance
7:14 pm
Gotta love kids with fur!

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 05:29 am Click here to edit this post
Friday, October 27

Living Room

Roger
7:13 pm
Do you want to do one of those 20 question puzzles?? I've got a good one.

Moondance: Go Roger

Roger
7:16 pm
Here is the puzzle: A man is abducted, an arm cut off, and he is released.

btw, you can ask more than 20 if you haven't gotten it by then.

Boys and girls at home (outside folks), feel free to play along. If you already have heard it, please don't spoil it for the others.

Moondance: he cuts his arm off to free himself. I don't understand...shouldn't there be a question with this puzzle

Himay: Is the man tied to a chair during the abduction??

Roger: Sorry, it's just like the others--ask questions which can be answered with a yes or no. Asking questions beyond that will result in a little spanking...err, I mean a penalty

Himay: Did he cut off the arm of the chair he was tied to so he could free himself??

Roger: No

Roger: may, #2--No

Moondance: it isn't like the others Roger... they ended with a question

Roger: Moon/May, the questions: who abducted him and why was his arm cut off (sorry)

Himay: Is he abducted by aliens?

Roger: May--no (alien question)

Himay: OHHHHHHHH, OK!

Moondance: Thank you

Roger: Sorry!

Himay: Is the man alive when he is abducted?

Roger: yes

Moondance: was he kidnapped... and held for ranson

Roger: You asked 2 questions

Moondance: was he kidnapped?

Roger: no---he was abducted

Moondance: Was he held for ransom

Roger: no

Himay: Was he abducted by a criminal?

Did he cut the man's arm off to steal his fingerprints so he could be exhonerated of the crime he committed??

Moondance : host never added to the answer just yes or no, roger!!!!!

Roger: No No

Moondance: good questions May

Roger: Moon, she did once--to a question I asked

Himay: The man was the president of a corporation. Was he abducted by someone trying to steal secrets from this corporation?

Did the abductor cut of his arm because he needed his hand for the hand recognition security system??

Himay: Moon, I'm trying to think of why someone would need another person's severed arm?? Help me out here!!

Moondance: I am sorry guys... I need to take care of some things... I will be back in a few. I really sick to my tummy... I am sorry Maybe for a transplant.

Roger: no no. May, do you want to continue while Moon is gone?? huuuumm?

Vykin
7:57 pm
Okay whats going on, I am still waking up
2 folders to catch up on. Who was abducted by aliens?
(i just fell asleep for 3 hours! can u believe it?

Himay
Was he abducted by a one armed man?? Vykin, you are now Rip Vyk Winkle

Roger
7:59 pm
Vyk--no one...I am doing one of those yes/no puzzles like our challenge...I have a pretty good one, and I am doing it with Moon and May---want to join in after getting caught up??

Moon, I'll take that as a question---no

Himay
8:08 pm
Moon and Luke won the challenge... congrats you two!

Roger
8:09 pm
Challenge is in! Those Hosers won! (damn) Ok, I'm over it now. Looks like the reward is 1 piece of fan mail each for Luke and Moon!!

Moondance
8:10 pm
FYI... TheDareing Duo won! Okay, now I have to go lay down for awhile.

Vykin
8:10 pm
oh okay roger I'll wait till u finish. who said ripvanwinkle? I crashed I thought for an hour and woke up it was 3 hours later!

Roger
8:11 pm
I said it--they wanted to call you rumpelstilskin

Vykin
8:12 pm
WHAT? moon I just went there I didn't see that you guys won! is this another ploy? I'm gonna go check

Himay
8:17 pm
Sorry you aren't feeling good Moonie! Take some Pepto! Roger, you and Vyk are gonna have to carry the convo tonight... I'm a sleepy pup! I'll see you guys at 7:30 AM, bright and early. My suitcase is packed and I've ironed my banishment clothes.

Vykin
8:19 pm
Moonie u not well? I don't feel so hot myself. Himay yeah I repacked my cardboard box suitcase also awhile ago.

Roger
8:20 pm
Moon, hope you feel better... May, good night... you made me sad by saying that I don't want anyone to go for awhile...until I get to know them better. Remember, there are 5 of us up...any one of us could go.

Vykin
8:22 pm
oh Moonie perhaps you aint feeling good cuz I just came back from challenge and see u and Lukor now the Evil Lukor and DarkMoonRising won the challenge. Rog, Himays you saw response from Host, I think we should claim Cheating and bribing the host! THEY COPIED OUR ANSWERS! Its a conspiracies I swear on the cold water in the hot tub~!

Roger
8:23 pm
Vyk--not you too... you guys are making me so sad... everyone should unpack and wait.

Moondance
8:25 pm
I think that is why I have a sick stomach...
Not looking forward to tomorrow

Vykin
8:34 pm
Moon I know the feeling, my gut is knotted I think my Haters in the freeworld probably finally did me in!
Maybe we should all get drunk tonite! Roger is it just you and me left?

Roger
8:25 pm
Yes, until Luke gets back, which won't be for awhile. Damn it, now that's 3 of you who are going on about tomorrow...you guys just want to see me cry, don't you?

You guys, if we were al together, I think that would be a damn good idea....we all have our haters.....

Vykin
8:39 pm
vykin half cut startings singing: there's a tear in my beer and i've had it up to here... LOL I have to prepare my farewell speech to internet cam tonite later. LOL we should compose a Hater Poem for the heck of it

Roger
8:41 pm
Vyk--does that mean you will be preparing it later, or you are going to do it now and you're saying "later" to me?

Vykin
8:43 pm
Hey we should revolt and all walk out together
except I bet lukester wouldn't buy in cuz I read his post he wants to live here forever

Sorry roger I'm gonna do it later. I'm prepared to stay in here and talk if anyone wants to talk

Roger
8:49 pm
LOL about Luke!!!! It looks like it's just you and I unless May or Moon come back from the bed. I'm pretty amazed about wanting to stay a couple more days and getting to talk (notice tonight went quick!)

Oh, well, rules of the game and all that. I want to write to every one of you after the game! Too much going for us to give it up IHMO, anyway

Moondance
8:49 pm
My tummy is not getting any better... I think it is just trying to tell me something... I don't think it will be you Vy.

Roger
8:50 pm
Moon--why do you think it will be you?

Moondance
8:53 pm
I don't know what is going to happen... I just don't feel good about it

Roger
8:55 pm
Huummm... I bet I have more haters than you... let's see. Mr. Rogers? It's funny to me, although demotes there athose who are very much not fans. 2 out of 5 will go... it seems like it could be any one of us.

Roger
9:02 pm
denotes there are those....geez

Vykin
9:07 pm
Roger that is half this house gone

Roger
9:09 pm
No matter which side of the house fense any of us will be on, it's going to feel weird.. weirdest from the other side--I agree.

Banner: IF THIS IS A GAME ... HOW COME WE FEEL LIKE PRISONERS?

Roger
9:42 pm
Anyone there??? See the banner?

Moondance
9:43 pm
Good Night All!
I love you!

Thank you for a wonderful journey.

Roger
9:45 pm
Moon!!!! Wait--did you see the banner?

Roger
10:01 pm
Yo, anyone left here with me......??????

Roger
10:15 pm
Hey, I'm going out for a break and some fresh air--will return. What happened to everyone?

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 05:55 am Click here to edit this post
Roger
12:02 am
I'm back, although it doesn't seem anyone else is??? Have you guys fallen off the earth????

Vyk--Luke???

Luke
12:08 am
Hi! is anyone awake? I'm back!

Roger
12:09 am
Luke!!!!!

Luke
12:11 am
Roger! Oh my god, i have so much to talk about! how has your evening been? is anyone else around?

Luke
12:13 am
Oh, Roger... you wouldn't believe it... I left the office at 3:45 pm, and do you know what time I got to sacramento? 7:00 pm!!! the concert started at 7:30, and ended at 10:30... and I left at 10:45... and got back to the office at 12:00 midnight on the dot!

more than 3 hours going--and 1 hour 15 minutes coming back!!!

I was so excited, I had to come back to the office cuz there's a faster computer here, and I couldn't wait to tell you all... I was thinking about you guys all night long!

Roger
12:14 am
No one is around----it's been so weird...talk to me!!! What ya got for me??????

Luke
12:15 am
First of all, you should have seen the drive... even though it was bumper to bumper traffic, once I got over the hump to California's central valley on Interstate 5, it was sooo beautiful... rolling hills... just a few clouds--those stark white/gray clouds you see after a rainstorm... and the sunset... Oh my god, roger... the sunset was exquisite!

Luke
12:16 am
Then, it was getting close to 7:00 pm, and I followed the directions exactly... and they were pretty good directions. I have not been to Sacramento since I was 7 years old! So I pulled into the parking lot, and I walked inside...

Luke
12:18 am
The person I went to see--her name is Jeanne Cotter... she is a pianist from minnesota... originally started writing contemporary religious stuff, now is trying to jump over into the pop charts... She is such a part of my life story because her music... I went through all my life changes while playing her music. Her style is the style I've always modeled my playing after... I've met her a couple of times when she's given concerts down in Los Angeles (when I used to live there), and each time I see her... I know almost every note of each of her songs by heart...

Roger
12:19 am
Central or northern Cal....what is that area considered??? The reason I ask is that I've seen some very nice areas in northen Cal, although haven't bee to SF or south much.

How was the concert?????

btw, you and Moon won the challange!!!

Luke
12:20 am
I haven't been to one of her concerts since 1994... and oooh, the memories... sometimes when I used to get down, or when I was happy... or when I was in love... I'd sneak out in the middle of the night (in college) and go to the chapel in the middle of campus... the walls were really thick in the chapel and nobody could hear outside... and I'd be playing her music at 3, 4 in the morning! It sent me into another dimension...

Vykin
12:20 am
Luke! Roger man I can't believe whats happened to me tonite! I will post right after this want to let you know I'm here

Luke
12:21 am
(hehehehe! I know! <singing> We are the champions... we are the champions!!!)

I guess it's still called the central valley of california... I filled up with gas right before I left, and from my office to Sacramento, it was 130 miles (one way)...

Roger
12:21 am
sorry keep going

Luke
12:22 am
Vykin! I'm so glad you're here! Are you okay?

Vykin
12:24 am

Okay you can probably see that. OF ALL FREAKIN NIGHTS! I AM SO PISSED OFF! I got some sleep, I signed on to spend whole evening talking, last night and all, and at around 7-730 pm my time my )(*&^&^$%&^*(!!! ISP SERVER CRASHED!!!, I phoned the 800 for a network status update. They have a damn msg that isn't putting us thru normal channels.

I don't know whats happened been frantically trying for past 4 hours. Nothing. I'm panicking thinking chat at 7:30 am. What the H! do I do. Finally about 15 minutes ago, I figured out to access via AOL but I'm paying a heavy surcharge for One hour of use. So, I have to try catch up somewhat in here in the next hour. This is Not My Night!

Luke
12:24 am
(last post on the concert--) Oh Roger, Vyk... thanks... thank you all for letting us move banishments to tomorrow. This concert was so uplifting for me.

I don't think Jeanne Cotter is a world-renowned virtuoso pianist... but she's MY mentor--she's the one whose style I really like the most... her feeling... her emotion that comes out through her playing... god, i wish i could play like that... just hearing those familiar tunes (i have every one of her recordings, and have listened to them so many times even the CD's have scratches!) just watching her make that piano come to life and fill that building with music... god--that kind of high can last me a long, long time...

Vykin
12:29 am
Okay, trying to catch up. Luke that is fantastic, gee it sounds like you had a great time! I'm so glad the host changed the "banishment" to the morning! (as it is I wud have been "screwed" too I am so livid with our network right now, 2nd time its happened, but this time it is really long, usually they have a network status report, but not right now) anyway enough of that.

I was to Sacramento years ago on a would you believe "weekend trip with two other people" to SanFranscisco. We decided literally spur of the moment on a Easter long weekend to go somewhere we'd never been. Took us 21 hours from my home to drive to Sacremento, non-stop.

Luke
12:26 am
Oh No! Vyk--- will you be working by tomorrow morning? Or at least will you be able to connect again through AOL in the morning?

Vykin
12:32 am
Luke thats what I'm gonna have to do if my network isn't fixed by morning. I was already thinking of calling my brother who lives away and has a different access and getting him to email the Host, just in case I couldn't get back on. But hell, I'm not gonna miss chat. I'll just have to pay AOL money to go chat.

Cotter ? that name rings a bell. Yes, Luke keep going, tell us more. Roger how was the evening? Last I heard, Moon, me and HiMays were pretty depressed sounding!

Roger
12:32 am
Vyk---if it's an issue of money, I'll be happy to pay for a few gours of time--I can afford it and it's worth it to me to have you around and get to check up on everything. Luke, I'm so glad you enjoyed your evening so much! Sounds like it was worth way more than the trouble of the drive. You sound so excited about it---nothing wrong with that!! Vyk---I'm really sorry you had your problem at all---I would be so pissed if I were in that boat!!!!

Vykin
12:35 am
LOL Roger no its not that its Just I hate paying Steve Case's wages any more than I have too! LOL

Roger
12:35 am
Vyk--at least you won't have much to catch up on. I think my post to our discussion last night has more text than the rest of the night combined. May was dea tired, and Moon had bad stomach problems--so both headed off really early.

Vykin
12:35 am
Roger thought of u, knew HIMays wud go to sleep early. Was thinking with Luke gone, and Moon feeling down, I felt sorry for you, and not knowing where the heck I disappeared to!

Luke
12:36 am
And you're right, Vykin... I want to live here foreverrrrrrr!!!!

This is her: http:// www.mythicrain.com

Vykin
12:37 am
Roger, so sorry to hear that I'm gonna check ur post while Luke tells us more about his evening! Luke we were all thinking about you buddy!

Roger
12:38 am
Vyk--I want you around all you want to be on line with this...we've had some great convos, laughed, cried, and with everything tomorrow, well, it just wouldn't be the same without you! Luke, as you can probably tell, it was light traffic tonight---I thought I was in the twilight zone!

Luke
12:40 am
The ride back from sacramento seemed like 5 minutes... (well, i was kinda speeding, but not too much!) so I came back here to the office because I knew I'd have itchy fingers to chat with you... And since I had a huge slab of ribs for lunch, I just got a Filet-o-Fish for dinner! Hehehe!

After the concert, I went up to Jeanne--and shook her hand and she gave me a hug--she says, "I remember you! What's your name again" and I said "R... uh... Luke!" and she goes, "yes, back in Los Angeles!"

I'm working on an email to her right now... I feel like such a groopie! Oh, I can't wait to get home... I don't care what time it is--I'm sitting at the piano for at least half an hour!

Luke
12:42 am
But all through the evening... and this is going to sound crazy... I couldn't stop thinking about you! I totally wanted you, all of you, sitting there with me! I was like--Oh my god, I have to get back and tell Roger and Vykin and Moon and May about the concert! They should have been here! We would have had an awesome time together!

I could totally have imagined all of you there with me... I was wishing it! My god, you guys-- you guys are like... like family!

Roger
12:45 am
Well, tonight has certainly had it's twists and turns!! Vyk/Luke, I'll stay around as long as you guys want to chat. Just let me know what you're feeling like....wel, in regards to that, I mean. haha, Luke, did you see your reward for winning the challenge??

Luke
12:49 am
Yeah... and you know what-- I'm feeling better about that too... he (my ex) called me yesterday when I was sick in bed... we talked for like 5 minutes, and that was it... But I realize that each time I talk with him now, I feel a little less and less... less hurt... less "missing him"... just less everything... I feel really lucky that all the people who have tried to communicate with me from the outside through banners or in our chat sessions have been all positive and supportive!!!

Thank you everyone!!! And all you gay guys--the Lukster is SINGLE again!!!! Woo Hoo!!!!

Vykin
12:52 am
Roger don't even bring up the challenge!! We know Lukor and Moonie cheated!!! Lukester, your description of your evening is absolutely infectious!!!! We were all thinking about you. I know how you felt away from the house and thinking of us. Samething happened to me when ISP crashed tonite! I had wanted to spend the whole evening talking, all of us waiting until you came "home" (this home) and gave us your report. I was really hoping you and Roger wud at least be up late as usual. We were there with you Luke in spirit. LOL You DO sound like a giddy teenage groupie!! Hell i'm just glad I'm here at least for a bit longer. (I have to sign off at 1:30 am.)

Luke
12:55 am
NEENER NEENER NEENER!

WE WON AND YOU DIDN'T!

LA DE DA DE DA!!!!!

Heheheh... can you tell i'm in a jovial mood right now?

Roger
12:55 am
Luke, you sound so positive right now---it's greta to hear from you!! You said at the begining that first weekend that maybe the game and your siutaion were bad timing with each other....maybe you couldn't have been more wrong!!!! Way to hang in there, guy!!!! Vyk---I'll go with however you want to work it--you're the one with the busted ass server!

Vykin
12:58 am
ROFLMAO luke, man you are on a high! tonite!

Roger about your response:
You said:
I think you have a good point about a =killer= instinct mixed with ego. With the exception of only one other animal, the rest of animals kill only for either food or self-defense. We seem to have the ability to kill for virtually any reason, and sometimes with a sick enjoyment of it!

Exactly! That is where that human "animal instinct" crosses the line and begins to kill for as u say sick enjoyment - Ego - sense of power. That is where they lose any sense of reasoning.
Like a cat and mouse, the cat will toy, play, taunt the mouse abuse it till it is dead. But not eat it. It's sickening, but glad you understood my "rationalizing" the abuser.

In passing, you mentioned Galileo, absolutely agree. In fact, when I was in Italy I saw his tomb in the church in Florence. Machiavelli's also, Dante's, and right along side of Michelangelo, DaVinci.

Vykin
1:02 am
Yeah Luke as Roger says you are certainly a positive "up" - I think we've all been so quiet and nervous today. I never thought I wud feel it as much as I do. I think every one of us feels the "dark cloud" approaching in the morning. Luke you're lucky you had such a positive distraction tonite.

Lukester, you say one more "Neener" and I swear I'll deck you myself. You and Moon copied us! You better go to the Church confessional tonite before you go to sleep.

Roger
1:04 am
Yes, Luke is a little over the edge for how he usually is---I like it though!! We all need that once in awhile!!!

Vyk--So much we have to learn, yet most of it has been put before us long ago....we just won't use it. History is of no value if we refuse to learn from it!!! We are definitely our own worts enemy---and the worst enemy of everything else on this earth.

Luke
1:06 am
Confess? Hehehehehee!!!! Confess that we may be showing too much PRIDE at our ACHIEVEMENT of using our INTELLIGENCE and our NATURAL TALENT?

Roger
1:10 am
Hosehead is talking smack now!!!!! LMAO! Except for the vote on the last one (who will win), I'd like to see if the outsdie folks voted on all those too---and what they came up with!!

Something to consider is that all along we've never been too concerned about what they have thought---we didn't change how we showed ourselves to make anyine out there happy....we actually pretty much forgot they were watching us while we were having our best converstaions and talking about ourselves and each other....

Luke
1:11 am
You guys, we only have 6 hours left... hmmmmm... I almost don't even feel like sleeping!

You know, if we tried to be anything other than ourselves, it'd be too obvious... I can tell that everyone in here is speaking from their hearts... honestly... we've opened up ourselves honestly in here, and that's what makes us feel close to each other right now... and also what will make tomorrow morning very difficult...

Roger
1:15 am
I know what you mean Luke...I was figuring a late night with all till you got back---well, just as Vyk indicated. It ended up being so much different. I hope May or Moon weren't so bothered about tomorrow that it hurt too much to be together tonight.

Well, you can't get something for nothing! Personally I feel that waht we've gained from each other is a heck of a lot more than the pain we will go through of banishment...after all, only 2 days from that time till everyone steps out.

Then up to us to keep in communications with each other 1 on 1. I will keep that promise!

Luke
1:18 am
Shit! It's almost 1:30! And I still have to go home! Guys, I'm going to try and log on around 7 am... if the alarm works... actually, I'll probably be too nervous, I'll get up without the alarm... But if I do log on before chat, I'll come here to the living room to check if anyone else is up... sounds cool?

Roger
1:20 am
Luke--works great for me! See you in the morning, or are you going to check in once more when you get home??

Luke
1:23 am
I think I'd better just crash... I want to get up before the chat starts... May and Vyk should already be in here cuz they're ahead of us anyways...

Roger and Vyk... have a restful sleep, my brothers... see you in the morning.

(marches out singing "We are the Champions, We are the Champions!!!")

Vykin
1:29 am
roger , luke i went to do my internet cam address, I too will sign on earlier, hell if it takes two hours of aol pay than thats just the way it will be. I'll be back here around 7am also so we can have a coffee together.

Roger
1:32 am
I too have a message to write, although I will write it and leave it hanging here in the LR. It is a message to the 4 of you. If I say or if I go, I will be saying good bye to at leats two of you either way. if you see it, feel free to read it--the message will be to the 4 of you. Sleep well, and I will see you all in the morning.

Roger
2:15 am
Moon, Vyk, May, Luke---I would like to write a good bye note, as tomorrow morning will be hectic, and there won’t be time for something like this. If I leave, I will leave with one of you, saying good bye to 3 of you. If I stay, I will watch 2 of you walk away, and will be saying good bye to those two--so either way I will be saying good bye.

I don’t know what the outside public will say to us. I love games, and play to win unless I put the score book away--then it can be for fun. This is a unique game, for I believe I cannot win it. In being myself, it ends up being all the voters that decides if I win or not. So, while I can be the winner of the game, I can’t take control and determine the outcome--a very different game!!!
On BB they asked why each deserved to win. I will answer that from my perspective, as I feel it’s an important question. One cannot know why they deserve to win till they have won--and even then they may never know unless they are told. That’s because it’s decided by someone else--others pick what is deserving.

I came here with two goals in mind. First and foremost, to be who I really am as a person. I did this because that is my nature---I don’t put a best foot forward, and I don’t pretend to be something or someone I’m not. In doing this, I wanted to be the winner of the game--I wanted to know that the term --nice guys finish last-- could be proven wrong in a reality game (including a virtual reality game).

This last part will take place no matter which 5 of us walks out the winner. All of us have shown who we really are, have been honest, and are nice people. So, at least for this version of BB, someone nice will indeed finish first.

Second, I came in here to get to know everyone as well and as much as I possibly could. I came in knowing I was going to lay it all out there for all of you to see. I had no idea if all of the rest would do the same, or be much more guarded. Well, I got my answer!!

So, I say that for me, this game has been a success. I can’t control winning or not, and wanting a nice person to win--well no matter what, a nice person will win. It matters not if it’s a man or a woman. I’ not concerned with the gender of the winner. I have found new friends---and real friends are always a rich find. That I didn’t expect out of game----I only hoped it could happen.

It is a weird feeling. I will be saying so long to some of you for only 2 days--all of Sunday, and part of Saturday and part of Monday. If I turn my head and look at the calendar on my wall only 6 feet away, it is clear to me that is a short period of time. I feel great about that and feel no sorrow. When I turn my head back to my monitor and put myself back in this virtual house, it no longer feels like it will be just a short time--even though it really is. I actually feel sorrow. That is so weird--and says volumes of either me being an idiot (we can’t rule that one out) or says volumes about how powerful we all made this game--how powerful something can become through thoughts and feelings.

To each of you, I request that you give admin permission to forward your email addresses to me, and I will do the same. I was dead serious about wanting to keep in contact with each and every one of you. Some way, some how, it will be a short good bye between some of us. I consider myself extremely fortunate to have met and gotten to know each and every one of you. Optics, Kino1234, Zelda, Dilligaf--I am your friend Lance Crossfire, or Gregg if you wish. It has been wonderful getting to know you, and hope it is only the beginning of a great journey for each of us.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 06:02 am Click here to edit this post
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Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 01:21 am

Vykin:

approaches the camera, shoulders hunched,
pulls out a Players Light , briefly thinks of print on the wall back home, of James Dean - Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Vyks does not want to make tonites address, but knows its necessary. , in a lowered voice begins the nightly address with a sense of resignation.

People, I came to this house, as an unknown, it was difficult at first. I could see the others knew each other - where I had to "prove" myself. It did not help when trouble erupted. Some left voluntarily, others were voted out, some felt they had to leave. This was a game - that never changed.

Perhaps some of us forgot that; perhaps we didn't expect to show raw emotions. Yet, there are many times of laughter, peacefulness, calm and relaxation. The 5 of us this week have come together in a curious way. We all feel a sense of "closeness", we all shared painful aspects of our real lives. This last round of nominations were the hardest. We had no choice but to vote 3 people. My choices were difficult.

I thank you all especially my four hopefully new friends left in here. You have each taught me something in your own ways. It will enrich my life from this point.

I fully expect to be locked out of this house by 8am this morning. It obvious I have "Haters" out there in the "freeworld". I am sorry if that is so. I tried to be honest. If it wasn't convincing enough for you to view my role in this house objectively, then there isn't much more I can say. The wounds are still raw.

My bags are packed and ready to go, I standing here outside the door... I hate to say goodbye. My friends who are left in here, congratulations, I'll be cheering for you whoever you are.
To the second houseguest who walks with me - let's walk with our shoulders high and with dignity.

Thank you, there will be no Public Service Announcement tonight. I believe my Public Service has concluded.
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Vykin
1:25 am

Yes this is me, I didn't want to include the following in the above message.

If I could fly a web banner it would say: ARREAL - YOU GOT YOUR WAY! - DADDYS COMING HOME!

You must be now!

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 02:51 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

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Himay
6:50 am

Good morning everyone... It's quiet and you can cut the tension with a knife. I just wanted to tell all my supporters thank you! You guys have made this so much easier for me. Two of the "family" will walk this morning and it doesn't really matter which two, we will all feel the brunt of the blow. No matter who leaves, I am requesting that you be KIND to the banished. I'll see you on the outside... whether it's an hour or two days... I love you all! Noslonna, Digilady, Annagator, Ocean Islands, and Affinity--you have all been absolutely fantastic! <cross your fingers!> XOXO Dilligaf

9:02 am
Banner: I LOVE YOU ERDYN KEARIE

Vykin
11:01 am

ARREAL/KEARIE I just saw your banner. I have two banners back to you:

1. There you go again Arreal/Kearie Lying Once Again!

2. says: KEARIE/ARREAL

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 03:01 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Living Room

Himay
6:39 am

<sniff, sniff>

Wow... It's 8:33 here, I guess everyone is still sleeping snug in their beds in Cali, WA and Canada. I didn't sleep well at all! And I'm so nervous right now. I don't want to go! Roger's goodbye was so sweet and sad and the same time. I don't think I really took the time to prepare myself for goodbye. This week was so much fun that we were just reckless... laughing and playing and not thinking about the END. Well, I'm thinking about it NOW! UGH Is anyone else up??

Luke
6:49 am
Good morning May! anyone else up? I just got done reading roger's goodbye. Ugh. I feel like there's a knot in my stomach. How are you doing May?

BRB -- bathroom break (better take care of this now rather than during the chat!)

Himay
6:53 am
Hi Luke! I'm so glad you are here! And I'm so excited about your night last night! I'm glad you went, it sounded like such a renewal for you. I'm a wreck! My stomach is in a total knot, I didn't sleep well and my hands are shaking, amazing what this can do to you!

OH, I'm so glad you are here friend. And I mean that... you have been such a great addition to this game. I wish I could give you a big hug! Promise me you will stay in touch!

Luke
7:00 am
May, I know exactly how you feel... first thing i am going to say in the chat room is that I'm going to tell the host to give you all my email... I want to keep in touch...
God, May... i feel like we're family now... this is weird... i feel like something is about to end that I don't want to end... I don't know how to explain it... thanks for your laughs, thanks for all the drinks... My God, it's like i'm talking as if one of us is about to pass away! Well, it's not like that, but I do feel a feeling of loss!

Himay
7:02 am
It is definitely going to feel like a loss, no matter who goes. Luke, when I get back to the outside, I will continue to use Dilligaf. If you click on that user name, my email is posted in my profile.

Luke
7:04 am
okay... mine too... under kino1234... you know, I originally thought Dilligaf was Xenia! I thought that you were somebody else--I can't remember whom... I think I thought you were originally Moon... hehehe!

Himay
7:05 am
Roger? Vyk? Moon? You guys up yet? I hope Vyk has his computer problems worked out! I thought that was so sweet of Roger to offer to pay for his AOL usage! What a team player. I hope Moon is feeling better. Just hold you to your kitties! Levi can always cheer me up!

Luke
7:06 am
May/Dilligaf... My name is Ray. Raymond, actually, but since the 7th grade I've had people call me Ray. You know, I chose Luke because I've always liked that name, but most of all because it's my favorite Gospel--the gospel of those who are outcast.

Himay
7:06 am
I had you pegged from the start! The only two I had confused were Snave and Tukuul!

Luke...remember in the beginning when I got slammed for quoting scripture in the Homosexuality thread? One of my friends here in town read that thread and he told me to give up, that I could never win the argument going up against one of the apostles!! Too funny.

Luke! You are not an outcast... you are wonderful human being! I love you unconditionally! It wouldn't matter if you were purple, bald and had no teeth. It's what inside the that matters!

Luke
7:11 am
OMG that's hillarious! Apostle I don't think so. hehehehe

Himay
7:13 am
Where is everyone else! We should have had the Host make wakeup calls! It's 7:10. UGH

Luke
7:13 am
Where's Moon? Roger? Vyk? I really hope Vyk doesn't have any computer problems. If Vyk can't make it this morning, I'd rather not even go into chat without him! Prez--where are you?

Vykin
7:18 am
Hi I'm here! Looks like for the moment my ISP is working. If the lines crash during chat, I will come back on thru AOL.
I said goodbye to you all at internet cams last nite. HiMays, Moon so sorry my provider messed up my last night here for me.
Let's walk in the chat and take the hits.

Himay
7:20 am
I'm gonna head in about 7:25, it takes my computer quite a while to load the chat applet. Anyone seen Roger or Moon?

Luke
7:21 am
I'm just glad that it worked out well for you, imagine if we held banishments last night and you couldn't connect. Guess everything worked out for the better anyways, vyk.

Roger
7:22 am
Hello all! It's morning time.

Luke
7:24 am
Roger. Now just moon. I know she's gotta be around here somewhere.

Moondance
7:24 am
Good Morning

Himay
7:24 am
Hi Roger... we're all here except for Moon. I hope she's OK!

Luke
7:25 am
Moon! We're all here. I'm actually going to head over to chat. the applett takes a minute or so anyways to load here at home. see you there. <sniff>

Roger
7:27 am
We are all here now! Moon, how is your stomach? Vyk--too bad they don't make "ISP tape" like they do duct tape. Hi Luke. May it looks like you were the first up.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 03:34 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Living Room

Luke
7:56 am
wow... well we got a couple hours extension... What do you guys think/feel?

Luke
7:57 am
Hehehe. I closed the chat applet window, but I was still in the chat! Hehehe they started to give me glaring looks to get out of there!

Roger
7:58 am
It's nice---although not under the circumstances that were presented---I hate that people did that. And it looked like it was aimed at May and Moon---that really pisses me off!!!!!!!!

Luke
8:00 am
yeah... I don't get that... I'm just glad that there's a fair way to get results... It's cool that the Host is willing to do so much work...

Roger
8:00 am
I'm happy that Host scrapped that vote!!!!!!

Moondance
8:01 am
Actually, I have something to tell you guys... give me a minute.

Luke
8:02 am
Yeah... I think we'll really see a different turnout... if this is just a one day vote, you'll only get the votes from the die-hard board fans... especially since today is a weekend... the results should be much more fair...

Roger
8:02 am
ok--- I'm with you Luke!! I'll take the votes where people have paid attention over people signing up just to vote.

Luke
8:06 am
Moon...? Where is May and Vyk????

Himay
8:10 am
Hi guys, I had to reboot after the chat... that chat just drains my computer! <Heavy sigh> I still don't feel so good about everything. Moon, are you OK? I'm really worried about you!

Roger
8:11 am
Moon is writing us something long, it would seem. Luke, do we still have you here?

Himay
8:13 am
Well guys, we got our wish for more time together! I think we should take advantage of it. {{{{{GAME FAMILY}}}}}

Vykin
8:14 am
Hi I'm right here, had to clear out my cache files and mail cabinet computer was slow on me. I hope the host tracks down the jerk that "looped" into the system.

Luke
8:14 am
yup i'm here.

Roger
8:14 am
Does someone need to send out the hounds for Moon?

Hi Vyk---at 8:01 Moon told us to wait a minute, that she had something to tell us.

Himay
8:16 am
I'm going to have to take a break this afternoon so I can make some cookie dough, but other than that, you have me all day and all night! I was supposed to go to a Halloween party tonight, but I'm going to nix that! Thank you all for agreeing to do the chat tonight. I really didn't want to miss church in the morning.

Vykin
8:16 am
500 voters, I know I don't have that many friends, no where near it! I wonder what happened out there.

Himay
8:17 am
Moonie... please talk to us!! Are you OK?

Roger
8:18 am
May, don't cancel your party if you want to go.

Moondance
8:18 am
Roger, it is not long. I am just a little thrown by everything so it takes me longer to type what I am feeling.

I received an e-mail from Jana last night. I was worried because it looked personal and we have been following the rules. She sends me jokes because I am on her joke list.

So I was aware that something was up. it was right before I signed off last night. Apparently she was suspicious about the polls because it was getting so high and she noticed some inconsistencies. I stopped reading the e-mail because it was too upsetting.

It would have been upsetting to hear this about any of us. I wasn't the only one targeted. The box was stuffed on everyone. Anyway... I just wanted to let you know that I was aware of it last nite. Jana did it so I wouldn't be hurt because she knows how much this game means to all of us.

So I hope you are not mad at me for outside contact. I just wanted to be up front. I have to work this morning but I will be back later around 1ish. I feel bad for the extra work for the Host... she has put as much heart and soul into this as we have.

Moondance
8:21 am
I love each one of you and I don't want anyone hurt. Thank you guys for being all right with the recount. That says something about your character but nothing that I didn't all ready know. I know we all wished this didn't happened.

Himay
8:21 am
The party means nothing to me! I want to be here. I've given this game one month of my life. I'll never have this opportunity again. There will Halloween next year!

Moon, I'm so sorry you have carried this burden alone! We appreciate your honesty and don't worry about the outside contact. It's nice that Jana cares so much about you. Friendship is priceless!

Roger
8:22 am
I'm NOT mad at you in any way Moon!!!!!!!!!! IO'm bothered that peoplew ould do that kind of thing, ruining the whole game that Hostand the true fans (and us) have worked to make so good.

I did mention you were writing a long message, just worried because of how bad you felt last night---sorry

Luke
8:22 am
Moon, not to worry... it's not as if you went out seeking outside info... that's nothing to worry about... we know you have been playing fairly... i think all of us in here have been playing fairly, especially this last week together in here...

Himay
8:24 am
I feel the same way as Moon. You guys are great to agree to a recount. But you have all shown great character throughout the whole game. I know none of you would feel right about winning if there was scandal involved. I love you guys!

Vykin
8:26 am
Moon I'm not mad! It looks like everyone one of our #sses were off! I am just pissed off because I posted before a question to Arreal that one of my friends had emailed me about two weeks ago during conflict, a newbie and said someone was posting instructions on how to get in and vote more than once!

Luke
8:26 am
I gotta get started on the day. I should be back on around mid afternoon... we got some more time in here... so i'll be back later and we can make the most of it. have a wonderful day everyone

Moondance
8:26 am
Yes... Thank you so much you Men of ours

Roger
8:26 am
You will see that even tempered thing go right out the window for shit like this. It's a slap in the face to Host, to the BGs that get high votes when not real! People---go figure! btw, I know that there are plenty out there that have been playing fairly the whole time--and I want to thank them here and now!

Himay
8:30 am
Moon, don't be late for work! And remember to SMILE that beautiful smile today. No worries. Good wins out in the end!

Roger
8:30 am
Later Luke! What times will other people be back?? For me, around moon, although I don't have to leave till 10:00.

May, pk--just didn't want you to mis something you really wanted to do--I remebered how much Luje enjoyed last night

Moon, it's an issue of fair. That sucks so bad that anyone would do that to any one in here.

Luke
8:33 am
Luje... hehehe... I'll be on by 4 or so, but then will be on for the rest of the day after that.

Himay
8:35 am
I'm gonna have some breakfast, probably dry toast because my stomach is so queasy! And then I'll make the cookie dough so it can be chilling. Why don't we try and meet back around noon? Is that OK with everyone?? Host said she would give us a challenge today, so we don't want to miss out on that!

Roger
8:35 am
I admit that it gets really bad when I'm bothered--I don't even see the mistakes when I review.

That sounds good May--Vyk, are you still around?

Moondance
8:37 am
That sounds good... thanks for everything you all! I think I want some of Mays cookies though!

Vykin
9:23 am
Rog hi. I had to grab some breakfast! I'm gonna pop in the shower and then come back in here and chat. its 9:30 am I'll be back on by 10 am

Vykin
10:29 am
I will have to pop out around noon pacific time to collect some money from a job. So I may be about 45 minutes.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 03:35 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Living Room

Roger
11:54 am
Anyone around--it's just before noon, and I'm back now, settled in to do battle with all of you on the challenge, have some good talks, and all around enjoy our time together. Let me know when you get in. Time for me to make some Yerba Mate'.

Roger
12:41 pm
Well everyone, the Interrogator has just sent out a message asking for some input. Anyone back yet?

Roger
1:45 pm
I'm still here. Anyone lurking, waiting for someone else to post first?? I'm just woring on work. haha Let me know when the fun can start. (damn, that's a big echo)

Himay
1:48 pm
I'm here Roger... just finished emailing the Gator. I've been so reluctant to even sign on today... don't you feel like the cheaters have sucked the life and the fun out of the game? Give me another perspective... PLEASE!

Roger
1:54 pm
May, I don't know that I have an answer for you. Seems that up to this point all the folks out there have been playing according to the rules, and I appreciate that (as I noted to Gator). I see it as a 1 time thing, most likely (a guess here) a very few.

Himay
1:54 pm
After the busted banishment this morning, I signed off and went out to get the mail. I picked up my church bulletin from my home church in Alabama. I opened it to find that my ex-fiancé's mother died from brain cancer. I've just been so down all day. I came back inside and layed down for awhile and took a nap.

I've signed back on twice since then and read all the posts but just couldn't bring myself to post anything. Vykin seems pretty upset. I just wish we could go back a few days when we were all having fun and getting along so well. Back to Utopia... how do you stay so optimistic amidst all the crap?

Roger
1:54 pm
While I don't like what that one person or a few did, if I give in, then I've let them win--I 've let them take over and decide how things go. For me, I'm not going to do that. If I continue on going the way I've played, hope that others do the same, and hope that the others out there who are tru fans (that can mean they support me or any of you others--yet play right), then we all can take the game back away from them. That's how I'm looking at it.

Himay
1:55 pm
I like that... TAKE THE GAME BACK! I knew you would give me another way to look at things. But didn't you read the email from the Gator, there is speculation that this isn't the first time the polls have been tampered with?

Roger
2:03 pm
First, sorry to hear about your ex's mother. That is not a nice way to go (well, I guess there aren't a lot of nice ways)

May, I don't know that my way is optimistic---I consider myself a realist, not an optinist. LOL

I feel my apporcah is more of a competitive approach. In a situation like this, someobe is trying to use playing outside the rules to decide the course of this game. I consider that a challenge to "right a wrong". Gets my fight for fair, fight for just, or juts plain fight to stop someone from f&cking me (and us) over. Not right or wrong on my part---just how I approach it.

I can live with getting booted because the higher percenage of real fans want someone else to win (or I can take winning for the same reason). I can't live with a misrepresentation. "Them's fightin' words"!!!!

Yes, Vyk seems mad---I'm mad too. I feel I don't have enough information to know who to be mad at yet. I trust Host, and I trust us. I also trust those folks out there who've put up 8000 posts! They have a stake in this too! I just see it as a battle to win. so much for being even tempered, hey! LOL

Himay
2:08 pm
You know, the more I think about it the madder I get. I was supposed to have a date tonight. He and I had spent two weeks looking for costumes to wear to the largest Halloween party in Little Rock. $1500 at stake for best costume.

He's furious at me... because now, at 11:00 tonight, my a$$ is going to be sitting in front of this computer waiting to hear if I'm truly banished or not. These cheaters have really affected the lives of the BGs and the Host and Admin, too. It really pisses me off!

Roger
2:10 pm
Mya, about your post where there may have been another time--that means there is a possibility there wasn't. Without regard to which is true, it's like Host said---it's a possibility that we have to play within that happening. They can't make it fool proof--people just become better fools.

I see it like a football game--the refs make mistakes with some of their calls---and sometimes those bad calls affect the outcome of the game. Well, it's part of what can happen during a game. Just like refs making honest mistaks and having play in the outcome, sometimes cheating plays in the outcome. All anyone can do is give it their best shot to not contribute to it, and to do everything they can to lessen the affect of any cheating. I think that is being done.

I will not be bothered if you disagree with me. I admit to fighting just about every battle placed in front of me... it actually gets me going all that muc more. If you feel bad about it to that extent, I respect that completely!!!!

Himay
2:12 pm
Vyk's around... he just posted in the challenge area. I guess we could pour ourselves into the challenge and try and forget all the bullsh*t.

Moondance
2:12 pm
Hi guys... I am back. How are you? I am catching up. What is up?

Himay
2:14 pm
Hi Moon! I was griping and Roger has been trying to cheer me up. You guys wanna go to the challenge discussion area??

Roger
2:16 pm
May, about your date... if it's something you want to do, you should be able to do it!!! Arreal's computer kept her from being in a couple of chats, and she had to wait to hear the information. For her, she didn't have a choice. You could ask Host to tell you early, if possible. I trust you to keep it to yourself. I trust you completely. Or you can wait to find out till after you get back. Like you say, there is real life stuff going on out here!! Go out and have a kick ass time!! One thing this has done is make it so there is really only about one day's worth of interaction (figuring work time and sleep, so the time separation from those banished to the winner is even smaller...then we can strt writing each other for real!!! That's what I really looking forward to...continuing geting to know each one of you a whole lot better!!! (that includes you food woman!)

Himay
2:19 pm
Thanks Rog... the judging isn't until 12:45 tonight, so we're still gonna try and go. As I said before, the guy I date is a OB/GYN. I can't tell you the number of times we have had to miss parties and functions because he got called in to do a delivery and I have always been understanding... he'll get over it.

Roger
2:21 pm
Moon!!! Glad to see you! Any thoughts on May's points?? I shared how I'm looking at it, and my thought about her date. I think May's issues could be a challenge for us to cover. We have time for the other one too! I hate losing!

Vykin
2:22 pm
Hi I'm back just caught up reading I may take a bit of rest in a while. Don't know yet. Roger you said you don't have enough information.

Don't think I'm angry in asking my question. But you said that a number of times. How much is enough information for you. I think its pretty obvious that something went on out there by my Haters. I think you've seen enough posts to know exactly whats happening.

Yes your post in the Vykin Haters file you said you didn't know them. The difference was Roger, you had posted on the site even I remembered your user name Lancecrossfire. But because they'd never seen me post, and I've already explain why, they chose to attack me because I stood up for Tali.

And lets not kid ourselves, we all know Arreal has caused all the trouble that has happened. And frankly I friggin tired of defending my self to her and her Cartel of Vykin Haters. My gloves are off.

Sorry Himays, if I'm still angry but I'm fed up with trying to reason with those people out there. By the way, if I have any friends left out there who aren't disgusted by whats been happening, I can assure you they weren't part of an effort to vote you out Himays.

Roger
2:23 pm
May, the way I see it is for you to either go, miss it, or get both in based on what YOU want! Don't let anyone take that choice away from you! (ok, please don't)

Moondance
2:23 pm
Re you guys staying here or the discussion. I will follow you.

Himay
2:27 pm
Vykin... that was nice. I despise what the cheaters have done to us! This is exactly what they wanted... to disrupt our little Utopian society. Freakin haters!

Roger
2:31 pm
Vyk--I'm not bothered at you at all for your concerns. I have no problems you taking off your gloves. You give me too much credit in saying what I know. I too supported Tali in staying once I found out she was a moderator.

I may well have "haters" for that. For me (and I can only speak for myself here), I can live with that! I did what I felt was right and would do it again. If I have 5 that hate me for that, and cast 5 votes, that's cool with me. It's the greater than 5 votes that piss me off-no matter the reason(s) used.

I'm not trying to take the validity of your concerns away at all. That was not the intent of my thougts, I promise!

Vykin
2:31 pm
Exactly HiMays and I am just fed up with it. (give me an hour more I'll calm down) I'm trying to breath slow as I type. LOL Gotta think of another funny kid story to post to refocus myself. I do understand Roger

Roger
2:34 pm
We could work on the challenge as discuss this all at the same time in the challenge area... anyone want to do that????

Personally, I want everyone to be able to air out what they are thinking and feeling. We've done that with each other so far, and it's been working well... I don't see any reason to change that... any other thoughts??? Moon, May, Vyk??

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 03:42 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Discussions: VYKIN HATERS

Vykin
11:13 am

To: Host@enbcom.com

I have just sent the following email to Interrogator. I am sending you a copy, because I want you Host to be aware of it and I hope it isn't pulled and not posted, cuz I'm gonna do the same in the Internet Camera.

I am not mad at you. I am mad at those out there who I think are so deep-seated with their hatred of me. I worked hard at this game and have taken all the abuse I can handle from those people.
I am not mad at you, I can see you've done your best.

Forwarded Message:
Subj: SATURDAY REDROOM
Date: 10/28/00 10:15:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Vykin
To: interrogator

I am damn angry at what has happened!!! I've done many polls in the past, after the chatroom discussion, i had a look at the percentages and can someone was stacking the deck.

First, I have received nothing but damn abuse from Vykin Haters, which I know were organized by Arreal! I have spent the whole damn month having to explain myself! And not one person, except Tali when she was here, really believed me! Last chat before this was evident when I got my 5 minute "Reward", and Haters started once again trying to accuse ME of cheating.

Now what the hell happens?????? This is what I think happened. The Arreal Haters were so obsessed with killing me off, they inadvertently ended up with Moondance as their Sacrificial Lamb! Then I don't get booted and they CRY FOUL????? This is bloody ridiculous!

Furthermore, I am even more angry, because Moondance has posted after chat that last night she received outside mail!!!!!! She didn't tell us last night, but only this morning!!!! AND YOU PEOPLE OUTSIDE ACCUSE ME OF CHEATING?? HOW DARE YOU!!

I played by the rules, and you people chose to attack me because I wasn't part of your former BBFC Clique!!!! I never had a chance from the minute I was chosen!
Roger
12:04 pm

Vyk, I don't know if it matters or not, although I guess you can be the judge of the usefullness of this informtaion....I also was not part of any "BBFC clique". I posted on the topics, although only in so much as to provide a view and a rebuttal to someone. With the exception of a couple messages joking around with Kearie about us having to band together because we are both from eastern WA, that was the extent....and as I've said before, those few message joking with her were just that----joking around.

I've gotta believe we all have "haters"----I know I've got my share of them based on one of the chats. Hey, all we can do is sit back, enjoy the ride and continue as we've been doing...sharing ourselves to each other. And I've gotta say, your chances are pretty good as of now---you're still in the house with 4 pretty darned decent folks.....you make 5.

Just a "for what it's worth" to you big guy....

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 04:11 pm Click here to edit this post
HOST:

Good morning Board Guests - we thought it was a good time for a new Group puzzle challenge. Like the past challenges, please choose a Leader, and work together, to solve the following puzzle. You can discuss this puzzle in the Discussions area, and the Leader must post your group answer in the Final Answer area by 8:00 p.m. PST today. You can ask the Host 15 questions in the Questions area that can be answered with "yes" or "no". Good Luck!

John paid thousands of dollars to build an addition onto his primary residence. Yet, after the construction was completed, he never went into that part of the house again. Why?

Roger
9:08 am

OK, just some thoughts from left field, slightly in foul ball territory.

He had it built for relatives.
He had it built, then sold the house.
He had it built for storage of something.
The addition could not contain any or much air space. (not made to be occupied)
He had it built to hold a dead person.

Vykin
2:07 pm
Hey Roger I'm finally back
Was it a bombshelter
Did he die before he got to use it

Roger
2:19 pm

Vyk--another equally as good possibility!!
Others are around (May, Moon)
We can start formulating questions--they cut us to 15!

Himay
2:22 pm

John paid thousands of dollars to build an addition onto his primary residence. Yet, after the construction was completed, he never went into that part of the house again. Why?

Roger
2:25 pm

Anyone feel we should ask if the addition was a bomb shelter??? I'm game to try it--other thoughts??

Moondance
2:29 pm

Yes, I think he died

Himay
2:30 pm

I would keep it more general, it could have been a tornado shelter. Maybe you should word it to say something like....Was this addition meant to be some sort of shelter (ie. bomb, tornado)? I agree we should ask if John is dead.

What if he knew he was dying so he built a shrine so he could be placed in it when he died?

Moondance
2:35 pm

ohhhh May that is good... a shrine
but wait he never went back in there

Roger
2:35 pm

Only one way to find out any of these...

Himay
2:39 pm

He never went back in on his own... but maybe someone put him there after he died?

Himay
2:40 pm

Roger, you're good at asking the questions, go for it... we don't have time to waste on this one!

Roger
2:41 pm

Hey gusy, something in the wording....it states "after constuction was completed, he never went into that part of the house again."
Again indicates he went in there at leats one time, does it not??? maybe just poor wording of the sentence???

Moondance
2:43 pm
good point May... Roger ask if he is dead
thus why he would not have gone there again

Roger
2:44 pm
I'm asking...

Moondance
2:44 pm
hey who is gusy?

Himay
2:47 pm

LOL, I think he meant guys. Let's hope Host is around to answer our questions.

Roger
2:46 pm

guys, if you want it to be---that's what I was shooting for. lol

Moondance
2:46 pm

the constuction killed him
or
the man that was abducted was him, got his arm torn of from a construction accident and then was released to the morgue
this was dedicated to Rogers challenge last night

Roger
2:47 pm

Thanks Moon! We should finsih that one--I think you guys would like it.

Shit--or finish

Himay
2:49 pm

I think Rip Vyk Winkle is taking a nap... hehehe Luke said he'd be back at 4.

Roger
2:50 pm

Hey, we could answer them if Host doesn't---we have a good solution, even if not the right one. If she isn't here, we can just decide for her!! LOL While waiting, do you want to continue with the one with the guy who got his arm cut off??

Himay
2:50 pm

Rog, are you gonna ask the shelter question?


Roger
2:51 pm

Do we wait to get an answer on htis one, or ask ahead????

Vykin
2:52 pm

John paid thousands of dollars to build an addition onto his primary residence. Yet, after the construction was completed, he never went into that part of the house again. Why?

Okay I needed to post it hate going back to the actually riddle
Roger lol or we could just make up our own answer!

Himay
2:52 pm

We've only got 5 hours. I think we should go ahead with the shelter question, we need to know what the addition was. I think it's vital to the answer

Roger
2:54 pm

Rip Vyk Winkle------LMAO!! That was good May

Himay
2:56 pm

Maybe the new addition was poorly built and was condemned.
OK, Host has answered, John is alive

Vykin
2:58 pm

Sorry himays just saw you posted the riddle didn't mean to repeat.

Yeah he never went in again so not mausoleum
but agree doesn't have to be bombshelter.
Perhaps the addition fell apart poor carpenter
(probably non union labor) lol

Moondance
3:00 pm

Yes, question man ask another one! Hey where is Luke?

Host
2:59 pm

The Host has to go out for 2 hours. I'll be back by 5:30 to answer any questions you may have...

Roger
3:00 pm

Thanks Host!

Himay
3:01 pm

woohoo, Host posted in the room... too funny!

Moondance
3:01 pm

hey there is the HOST! Hi Host!

Himay
3:02 pm

ok, not a shelter either, back to square one

Roger
3:02 pm

Ok, Host is gone till 5:30... which direction do you guys want to head toward??

I had made a request that Host answer, and hang around to answer others since we were trying to take care of it in one time shot. That was nice of Host to tell us her time schedule.

Himay
3:00 pm

Moonie... are you OK today? You seem so quiet and rather lifeless... please don't let this game get to you. We all love you and we are in this together. Cheer up sweetie! You're our little!

Moondance
3:09 pm

Thanks May... that was sweet! I am all right... more worried about all the work for the host.

Roger
3:09 pm

Ok, another idea to go along with what I posted that is now in archives. I is a place for a pet, so he wouldn't go in it.
(I had a number fo others that could work with him living--see if you like any of those)

Moondance
3:11 pm

He sold the house

Roger
3:12 pm

Thief! I already said that one! lol

Vykin
3:15 pm

Moon, Good one!!!!

Vykin
3:09 pm

Host gets to leave for 2 hours? Are we in LockDown Mode? while host is gone? HEY LETS PARTY!

Roger
3:11 pm

What's the theme of the party?

Himay
3:12 pm

Wooohoooo! "Celebrate good times, come on!" Kool and the Gang are here! Moon, I'm glad you're ok! I was worried about you!

I think I'll take a break and come back at 5:30. I can bake my cookies in that time. And then I can decorate them tomorrow! I'll see you guys in 2 hours.

Vykin
3:13 pm

Well if LUke isn't in yet, maybe this is a good time for me to take a bit of a break cuz tonite will be a long night. What about you, himays, moon, rog? (I was gonna suggest moon and Luke could teach the rest of us to striptease but Luke ain't here)

Roger
3:13 pm

Hey, we are losing people ! Anyone hanging around for party or chatting between now and 5:30?

Vykin
3:15 pm

How about if party starts at 5:30 Roger? Moon what do you say?

Roger
3:17 pm

Ok, here's waht happened. John had a hot tub room built, and bothe Luke and Moon did their strips in it. He sealed off the room so no one could enter, much like when a pewrson says they will never wash the hand that some famous star kissed or wrote on.

He was just so amazed at their stripping abilities, he knew no one else could do his hot tub justice.

Moondance
3:20 pm

Wait it was an aquarium... you know the ones they have at Sea World.

That way he could watch me do water aerobics and Luke do synchronize swimming.

Vykin
3:37 pm

Okay I will leave my theory, and then go do some "real life real work" and then come back at 5:30. Here's my Theory:

Moon and Luke one night decided to build an addition to Heaven. They never stepped in it because to that point, they were still alive. But they built it to prepare for when they would die.
Along came HiMay, Roger and Vyks just out for a stroll. When suddenly out of the sky came a big humongous lightening bolt! It struck the door to the addition.

And you know why? Because after Moon and Luke did their strip tease that one night, and said that we made them do it. Well, it was actually the who made them do it! So Big "G" decided they were not welcome in Heaven, cuz they never went to the Church to repent their sins. So they were sent to that Hot firey place that beings with an H. And THAT is why they never used the addition.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 04:24 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Challenge 10 - Group PuzzleS

Roger
3:33 pm

Moon, question for you---Vyk has an idea where this tampering came from. Based on what you know, and what was indicated from last night (if anything that is), do you have any thoughts as to who may have done this, or why??

Also, I'll go ahead and ask becuase it looks like no one else has planned to---why didn't you say anything to us last night? (I don't ask because I think you goofed up or anything---I'm asking because I curious)

Moondance
3:46 pm

Roger... I was on the boards all day and last night. I was not feeling good but before I signed off I recieved the e-mail. I e-mailed the Host that I recieved outside contact, was upset about it and waited to hear back from her. I got a response this morning literaly minutes before the chat. I told you the minute I had a chance. I had a choice Roger, I could have not said anything but I felt it only fair that I did. I do not understand why Vykin & you are questioning it.

Luke
3:49 pm

Hi everyone! let me get caught up and I'll help--gimme 10 minutes!
It's good to be back at this with all of you! hey--where did everyone go?

Vykin
3:58 pm

Moon I just wish you would have said something last nite. If the request for ANOTHER revote came from outside and obviously it happened bwtween polls closing and this morning. Because of short notice for the revote, my haters probably requested knowing legal registered voters may not have the chance to revote today.

In chat this morning, I saw only one name of a friend of mine in there, most of them were known haters of me. Too much has happened for me not to be suspicious of them. I do have a feeling you may have "inadvertently" been drawn into it.

I don't know. I just know. I've had lots of experience will %s and polls and this one smelled. I also remember questioning in a post here, to Arreal, cuz a newbie friend sent me an email asking about whether they are allowed to vote more than once cuz someone in a chatroom was giving instructions on how to "loop" around the system.

Roger
4:01 pm

Moon, not questioning your motives or anything like that. Based on waht was said this morning, I don't think I had a clear picture of what happened at all (nitice when I asked, I included that you may have gotten nothing to indcate something).

I was not asking because I am quetioning your eithics or motives--I asked beacuse I didn't know exactly waht had happened (other than your 1 comment this moring), so I just asked to find out anything at all.

Nothing personal intended!!!! When I said I was not bothered at anything you did, I meant it. I promise

Moondance
4:03 pm

So you recieve outside contact still Vykin? I did not know anything about a revote until you all did. All I knew was that my friend was mad because she said the polls looked screwed with. She didn't have any more info than that. What difference would that information have on anyone in the house. We can not contact anyone but the Host and she was not replying until this morning.

Roger
4:05 pm

Moon, it is not worth trying to find out anything at this time if the price includes not being able to convince you I'm just trying to see what anyone else is thinking based on what they know.

I retract my question if it causes you in any way to think I'm challenging you. I'm not being snotty--I'm serious about letting you know I am NOT concerned you did anything wrong.

Luke
4:07 pm

Hey guys... have we finished the challenge? or is this a banishment/vote tampering conversation?

Roger
4:07 pm

Hi Luke-- we are taking a break till 5:30 when Host will be back to answer our challenge questions.

Moondance
4:08 pm

Thank you Roger... I just want to be perfectly clear on this.

Luke
4:09 pm

Oh okay-thanks Roger. You guys... it seems a little tense in here. is everyone okay? It's our last day together, don't forget. or am i interpreting this wrong?

Rogert
4:14 pm

My fault completely in the way I communicated my question to Moon. Only looking for any additinal thoughts on who, knowing there may be none at all.

I didn't have an understanding of much of anything about information and was just trying to learn. I insulted Moon.

Not where I was trying to go at all. I'll come back later so I don't screw anything else up.

Moondance
4:16 pm

Roger don't go. I want to settle this. I think you should be here. I value your friendship and would feel better if you stayed. I am still waiting to hear back from Vykin.

Vykin
4:20 pm

Moonie no, no. I had no outside contact whatsoever since a few weeks ago! I referred to when host told us about revote this morning.

Moonie, I understand how you feel. For one, I'm not gonna pull an "Arreal" on you. Cuz I know what damage that has caused when Arreal made it seem that IM with Tali was something dirty and devious. So please, I have been honest, I really came to like you. I think Jana, or whoever, is part of Arreal's group, screwed you big time! I don't hold you at fault one bit!

If you go back to the Topic Host had for us yesterday, on Forgive & Forget, you will maybe understand when I said, sooner or later the attacker will do something to one of their friends. This is an example. I hold Arreal Fully and Complete responsible for Everything thats happened which now includes you. Personally I like you. Don't think I'm mad at you.

Roger
4:23 pm

Moon, you settled it by your above answer... you claered it up so I see you couldn't have any idea... which was all I was asking, yet do so in a way that hurt you.

That is no one's fault but my own for how I put the question out there. I value your friendship too, and do not want to make you feel you are under attack from me. I feel so bad because I gave you reason to feel that way. Plain and simple I didn't do a good job in asking you about this. I accept that and feel bad about my mistake. You have nothing to defend....I feel bad, that's all. I choose not to make that mistake again, and take actions to do that.

Vykin
4:24 pm

Moon I hope thats clear, if there's anything you don't understand please ask me again and I will try be more clear.

I don't want to to be "weak" and walk out like arreal did. If anyone of the five of us walks out tonite and two of us will. Then we all make a pact here that we walk out with our heads held high and with integrity and dignity, and knowing, we have 3 good friends left in the house.

Vykin
4:26 pm

MOON OOPS I said" I don't want to to be "weak" I MEANT: I don't want YOU to be "weak". (my fingers are slipping again!!!)

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 04:33 pm Click here to edit this post
Roger
4:30 pm

Luke--not trying to ignore you--just wanting Moon to knwo how bad I feel for bad wording so that she couyld feel that way..wanting to get that cleared up---I take responsibility for my goofs, and wanted to clear all air.

Now she isn't saying anything.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 05:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Luke
4:34 pm

I know... thanks Roger... i'm just trying to understand this all... it's our last night, everyone... it'd be horrible to have to say goodbyes with bad feelings... i'll be here, i might take a 1/2 hour nap, but i'm here... moon, vyk, if you guys need an ear, i'm here... just nudge me a bit and i'll wake up

Roger
4:35 pm

Shit, my words aren't coming out right....I get that way when bothered. sorry. I don't think I could have f&cked things up any worse. It sucks to be me right now. (at least based on the way I feel inside) I hate making mistakes, especially with friends.

Moondance
4:36 pm

Roger, No, I am sorry I was so defensive. Really, all of you are my friends and I want to keep that. This has been a pretty shitty time for all of us and I feel bad about all the trouble. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. It was me that was one of the ones targeted so I feel responsible for the trouble it puts on everyone but I also think it would have been unfair if nothing was done.

Roger
4:38 pm

I have no bad feelings Luke---I suceeded in creating some though...not at all what I was trying to do. Moon are you not going to talk to me anymore??? How bad is the damage I caused, and what can I do to affect any repairs?????????

I would hate for any of us to feel bad for what someone out there tried to do to any of us! It's like getting slapped in a relationship---it's their fault, and their fault only.

We don't owe anyone an apology!!!!!! (except one from me to you) Can I give you a hug??????????

Moondance
4:46 pm

I always like hugs!

Roger
4:48 pm

Moon, please let me know what damage I've done, and what I can do to fix, if anything... that is something that is very important to me to know... {{{{Moon/Zelda}}}}

Moondance
4:56 pm

You owe me nothing Roger. You ask a question and I choose a defensive stance... I am sorry. I explained why I was defensive but it really was no excuse.

It's behind us now. I like working through things until we both are clear then it can be let go. Thats the best part... so if you are clear on what happened with moon-gate then great... if you want to know more... bra size.. cup size then that is some info I can give you... I have told you everything else.

Roger
5:02 pm

No interest in bra or cup size, although am interested in how round your little buns are!! hehe

I guess now our only point is that I feel you had every right to act in defense......my bad, and thank you for the fact you forgive my poor communication to you. Gate closed on Rabbit-Gate

Roger
5:04 pm

{{{Moon}}}

And I did NOT touch her butt

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 05:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Challenge 10 - Group Puzzles

Vykin
4:54 pm

M O O N D A N C E
R E A D M Y P O S T CAREFULLY!

HERE IS WHAT I SAID:
Moonie, no, no I had NO outside contact whatsoever since few weeks ago! I referred to when host told us about revote this morning. No one told me about the revote except Host in chatroom this morning.

You also posted: I think Kearie has better things to do than to target anyone. My Response: than obviously you haven't read the chat transcripts from the last chat. Nor have you read my response to Gators questions. Perhaps you should.

You also posted:
You just got through posting that someone contacted you about voting... that is outside contact. It might have been a mistake opening the e-mail, I don't know that, but I did open an e-mail by mistake and told the host then told you guys as soon as I could.

My Response: Your first sentence. No ONE other than the Host in chatroom. I don't understand why you are defensive Moon, here I am trying to tell you that its not your fault. And it seems once again, you think that I HAD outside contact. Please read what I post carefully. I know you're upset.

I've had two weeks of being battered, you've had the one night. Just trying to say I understand.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 05:22 pm Click here to edit this post
Moondance
5:11 pm

I understand why you are defensive Vykin...

And I did read the about the e-mail, looks like I misunderstood. I am sorry.

I have read the chat transcripts. I have not been to the outside so I cannot say what has happened. You seem to be more sure of that but I will say again... I think you are giving Kearie way too much power. No one has that much power. I do think that a lot of this would have quieted down if you had just played the game. No offense, Vy, you have not let this go. I understand it is hard to do when you are a Scorpio but sometimes things don't die if you are constantly reminding people about it. How do we know if Kearie has been bashing you? We don't if we have not been to the outside boards. We can only speculate.

Roger said it best ... we all have haters. Period.

Calling me defensive that is pretty funny (true but funny)... you have been defending yourself for two weeks... I have not once questioned you though.

Again, Vykin. I like you and want to settle this. I believe what you have told me. Will you accept that?

All I wanted to know is why you said those things about me in your post under General discussions. "Vykin Hater" thread.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 05:52 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Challenge 10 - Group Puzzles

Roger
5:31 pm

hello????? do we go back to challenge?

Moondance
5:38 pm

I guess... who is here?

Roger
5:40 pm

Just me Moon...would you rather do something other than the challenge?? You still bummed because of my foot in my mouth?

Luke
5:40 pm

I am! :)

Vykin
5:41 pm

All Right Moon! I GIVE UP!

I won a reward for a challenge I worked hard on. My reward was 5 minutes of chat with the public. Obviously you don't understand that it was a painful reward - 5 minutes of accusations, not like the Fan mail u got as your reward.

You think it wasn't Painful for me? it was very painful to see that was the reward I got. I am human Moon I have feelings. You want to stick up for Arreal because maybe some of your friends are her friends. Fine I can't change that anymore.

You want me to talk more pain. How about the pain I felt when Not one of you except HiMays believed me. That is another pain I've had.

I felt sorry for you yesterday, because I thought you were feeling sick. I felt sick, cuz I honestly thought, I'm getting booted. But I don't know anymore Moon.

Roger
5:42 pm

Hi Luke!!!!!!!!!! May?? Vyk??

Himay
5:44 pm

I'm here too. I just got off the phone with my aunt. I told you guys about my ex-fiance's mother. My aunt went to the funeral so she was telling me about it. Very sad... I just caught up on the convo. I'm sorry things are still kinda tense.

Let's just enjoy the next four hours together. My bags are still packed. But I don't want to go out of here with my head hanging low. Let's stick together and win this challenge. We will be able to say our proper goodbyes in a few hours. Sound OK to everyone?

Luke
5:44 pm

<gets back under the covers...>

Noslonna

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 06:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Saturday, October 28

Vykin
5:47 pm

I'm going to post in funny folders

Himay
5:47 pm

STOP IT! All of you... don't you see this is what they want? Roger said something earlier that I haven't forgotten. The cheaters and haters tried to steal our fun, but DON'T LET THEM!!! Let's take the game back!!