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Vykin | Thursday, October 26, 2000 - 11:56 pm  Roger good question. In short, who knows? Its a crazy world. Here's what my opinion is. I said in an earlier post, cud be in serial killers. That we, humans have the animal instinct. If the scientific theory is correct that we evolved from apes. Though I believe in God, the rational part of me can accept scientific or Darwin's theory too. Animals have a natural instinct to kill. Its their "survival" mechanism. Therefore, each and every human being on earth has a natural instinct to kill. The difference is - to what level does that instinct rise? Some people are violent from the beginning of their early years. Some have grown up in violence. We are lucky in North American, we have not seen the suffering that war torn countries have seen. Example, Bosnia, many African countries etc. This is just an observation, but those who have been ripped apart by everyday warlike violence - seem to have love in their families. Somehow I don't believe Domestic Abuse is a part of their lives. Is it because they get abuse outside their homes? could be. Now to get back to us. We have been lucky in the Americas. NO wars, no dictators trying to take over government etc. We aren't refugees, our countries take in refugees. We subconsciously, as citizens (when i say we, it will refer to canada/usa), receive continuous "subliminal" messages such as "we have the right to...; our govts are the powers in the world...; we are progressive. etc" I'll post this now and begin part two so you have something to read roger and respond I'm not finished though |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:04 am  Vyk--I'd like to take waht you have written above and what else you will say and cogitate on it. I have some basic thoughts as almost immediate responses, and would like to expand upon them in my mind, and see if I can make some ties. I will either post late tonight or sometime tomorrow. part of my brain is still in work mode since I've been doing work all evening--missed out on 8 hours of what I would do because of spending 8 hours in the lab when I thought it would be only 2! LOL. Some god thoughts you have raised though, and will give me fuel for thought. |
Vykin | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:06 am  Our egos grow, we lose track of value, morality, etc. and ...we get bored. When we get bored, we want to exert power, we want to "stand up and be counted", the ego grows bigger. Boredom turns to excitement, then fantasy. Then - fantasy begins to weave its way into reality. We are in a fast paced society - no time to stop and think - that fantasy should not turn into reality. So we strike without thought. First its a slap, then another slap then a third only harder. Man that feels good! The mind thinks, I have control! Fantasy begins to eat at the rational mind. Next time I'll try hit back harder, after all it wasn't all my fault. Harder hit, this time a fist. (Let me stop here and say it equally applies to woman striking out at men). Pretty soon the persons' reality thought process has succumbed to the fantasy. Harder blows, no apologies any more. The Abuser turns into a raging animal - a beast! Perhaps the Abuser is stopped - perhaps not. If not, the end result is death to the prey. That is part on how I rationalize it. Thus the animal instinct in every human. (There is a part 3 but it will be short) Bear with me |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:09 am  No problem--I don't mind the wait! |
Moondance | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:12 am  I meant that I didn't want to know for fear I could relate to these people who persecute others. I do want to know so we can do something to change the path of their destruction. It is a dark place I choose not to go but if it can help to alter their ways then I am willing... |
Moondance | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:14 am  Great posts so far Vy! |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:16 am  Hey Moon, you remember that question about how you like to be praised..the one where I said there were 4 groups in respect to what was taught in the class--I don't think I'll post in as a discussion. I have someting "bigger" to post--so I'll ask if you'd be willing to answer hear? |
Vykin | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:17 am  In some ways, we in the "freeworld" have corrupted our minds with all the pleasures at our feet. Tv,Music, jobs, homes, list is endless. I don't want to sound melodramatic but in some ways some in society have become the Caligula of modern day. Those who are weak minded, are most succeptible. Most often they are men, but not always. There are a specific set of characteristics that contribute to the psychological "makeup" of the Abuser. This develops at an early age. It is said that the lifelong character and personality of a human being will be completed decided by the time they reach the age of six. Whatever minut thing happens to a child btwn 0-6yrs old will be the foundation of their life. Abusers can't "help themselves", they don't have the necessary tools that signal them to stop, like most humans do. So they go out of control. It is "pre-decided" long before the victims suffers the ramifications. Almost like being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The victim, for example, moon/luke perhaps doesn't realize it, because most humans don't expect it to happen to them. The abuser at first may appear like the greatest person on earth. and turn out to be their worst nightmare. It is not their fault they should never feel they are too blame. Moon/Luke are survivors, they found that strength deep in the most bottom part of their souls. They succeeded! |
Moondance | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:18 am  I am not sure what you are refering to |
Vykin | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:19 am  I just want to say, those are my opinions, or based on anything I know about the subject, thats they way I interpet it. Good Night Moon (isn't there abook with that name? LOL) Good Night Roger I'll be back in the morning to catch up on your conversations for sure! |
Moondance | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:20 am  Night Vykiness! |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:20 am  Vyk, as mentioned above, I'd like to put otgether all you've said and come up with responses either later tonight or later tomorrow. You bring up many interetseing theories! Good for me to mold and twist around and see how they bounce back. athsnk for putting that kind of thought into it. I will do the same in my response. |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:22 am  Vyk--have a great night!!! See you in the morning, and we will kick ot that challenge! Moon=Hoser-Mole! |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:23 am  Moon, you want to to clarify now, or do you need to turn in?? |
Moondance | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:23 am  Yes vy... that is what I meant when I said that there were red flags everywhere but I choose not to see them... I took the hardest path for that lesson... |
Moondance | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:28 am  I am pretty tired... and I have a bad feeling in my stomach about this banishment I want to stay so bad! But you know this game has had so many similarities to BB that it makes me wonder if there won't be just the men left... or I am just tired and need to sleep in this wonderful rain we are having here! Good Night sweet man! Love you! |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 12:31 am  Moon--if it's any comofort, the women in here are nothing like the women of BB!!!!!! The three finalists will not be 3 men....take that one to the bank!! Have sweet dreams, and we will talk again tomorrow! |
Vykin | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 06:03 am  Morning HIMays, I have a feeling you're up and ready to roll today! Morning Moon/Roger/Luke when you wake up. I'm up early today so I thought I'd make some coffee and check in. Moon you're parting comment about you "chose" not to see. Its probably cuz he had already misrepresented himself well enough for it not to be a major issue. You, and Luke for that matter are highly intelligent. It wasn't "you", it was "him". In the end both you and Luke respectively were the stronger people. You left, wounded probably, pained. But you won the war. Moon, there was a case in BC of a police officer abusing his wife. Eventually he killed her. But as you say, that "code of silence" can be so horrible when the people we are led to trust are the police, and your partner works for them. |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 08:15 am  Ney there Vyk--I posted the last of the information in the challenge thread. I'm still processing your information along with the subjective smatterings of what I have. May/Luke/Moon hello to you when you get up. Did you see the banner everyone? That was quite a message from the outside! |
Himay10ns | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 08:17 am  Hi Regor and Nikyv!! I'm going to post our final answers now....Muaaahhhhaa!! Let's kick some a$$!! |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 08:22 am  May, hehe, that sounds great. It is good that we have all developed such great relationships with each other, or it would hurt Luke and Hoser....err sorry, I mean Moon, when we claim the run away victory in this last challenge for all 5 of us. |
Himay10ns | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 08:27 am  I'm going to work on the new discussion topic....I'll be around....Yeah, Rog---WE RULE!!! |
Roger_Ramjet | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 08:28 am  Way to go May! |
Moondance | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 08:44 am  Good Morning It rained all night and I slept like a baby! It rarely rains here ... at least as hard as it did. That and my Mom is are the two things I miss about home. Thanks for the kind words Vykiness! |
Luke | Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:43 am  Hello Hello Hello!!! I don't feel 100% up to normal yet, but I'm getting there... Tylenol and some extra-strength cough drops are hopefully going to get me through the day... I'm going to head over to the challenge area, Moon, if you're around |
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