Archive through October 07, 2000

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Vykin

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:44 pm Click here to edit this post
okay, looks like arreal, moon, I and whoever else want another intellectual discussion. So here goes. Say what you will.

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:46 pm Click here to edit this post
ummm, errr, I don't know...ask away.

Moondance

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:51 pm Click here to edit this post
It was your Idea Vykin ... what's on your mind? ... it's a broad subject!

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:53 pm Click here to edit this post
How you doing tonight Moon.

Vykin

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:53 pm Click here to edit this post
arreal in livingroom you said you've had some experiences with homosexuality, would you mind sharing with us?

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:55 pm Click here to edit this post
What do you want to know. I don't have much experience, but I might be able to answer a few questions that you have about it.

Moondance

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:59 pm Click here to edit this post
Hi Arreal!

Vykin

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:00 pm Click here to edit this post
It seems arreal you are "dancing around the internet camera pole". You said you had some experience, are you gay?

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:00 pm Click here to edit this post
How are you Moon. (((Moon))

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:05 pm Click here to edit this post
No I am not. Only men are gay, homosexual women are called lesbians.

Vykin

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:13 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay, I can't believe, you have all crawled back into the closet on this issue. So I'm just going to go ahead and speak my mind.

(note to myself: God of all the 9 other people in the world you had to put me with timid mice that scurry away at the sight of controversial topics!,
God, especially Arreal, looks like when you issued brains she chose the homophobic trains and headed for only God knows where!!)
I believe persons who deem themselves to be homosexual do so because they were born that way and not because its a "learned thing"

Moondance

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:14 pm Click here to edit this post
We are being shy ... was there a topic or ? you wanted to cover Vykin?

Vykin

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Arreal: for your information Webster says the following:

Homosexual: Sexual attraction toward those of the same sex.

That applies to any sex not just men

Moondance

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:17 pm Click here to edit this post
I agree... who would ever choose to have a difficult time with the haters

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:18 pm Click here to edit this post
lol...I am most certainly not homophobic. Funny you should think that.

Anyway. My ex-husband told me, (I drug it out of him) that he was having affairs with two other men. This was 5 months into the marriage.

So I have a few opinions on the subject.

Moondance

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:18 pm Click here to edit this post
I agree with being born that way

my computer is slow tonite

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:20 pm Click here to edit this post
The individual I was married to would disagree with that actually. He would say it was learned behavior and was societal influence.

Moondance

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:23 pm Click here to edit this post
Then he would not be a homosexual just someone who dabled?

Vykin

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:25 pm Click here to edit this post
Arreal, how did he see it as a learned behavior and societal influence? Or was he trying to cover it up in that manner?

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:26 pm Click here to edit this post
After we were divorced he called himself gay and found himself a male partner. They 'got married'

He married me because it was what his family expected him to do. It was the right thing.

Moondance

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:29 pm Click here to edit this post
I really would love Luke to be here and hear his opinions!

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:31 pm Click here to edit this post
boy, you're asking for a whole lot of history here.

He was born into a family with four older sisters and one younger brother. He always liked hanging out with his mother and sisters. He grew up loving cooking, sewing, gardening and things that are often seen as 'womens' interests.

His father was an electrician by the week and a stern, Pentacostal Preacher week-ends. His father often told them that he didn't get out of the kitchen and away from the girls he would end up gay. more.....

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:35 pm Click here to edit this post
Sex education was taught to him, by his father pointing to rabbits going at it and saying that was sex. His dad also warned Eddie (honest, that is his real name) that if he ever allowed a girl to sit on his lap that he would get her pregnant.

Talk about a parent making an impression on a young boy. He was scared to death of girls.

Eddie was a virgin until we were engaged. He was the second man I was with.

Vykin

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:36 pm Click here to edit this post
I think it is sad when the self-righteous society, shuns gay people. Personally, it does not matter to me what an individual's sexual preference is. It unnerves me when groups try to ban gay people from living a normal life.
Some hetrosexuals, assume that our lifestyles are "normal" by definition, it seems judgemental to then think the lifestyle of a homosexual is "abnormal".
Arreal in your case, perhaps if your ex-husband had not been brought up with the expectations of his parents to marry a female, he would have been a happier person at a younger age, and you wouldn't feel you were betrayed.

Arreal

Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:40 pm Click here to edit this post
He would never tell a soul that he was afraid of women, but it was a major issue for him growing up. He married me to do what he was supposed to do, but a part of him was horrified by it.

We got married in December and by the following May he told me about his numerous deeds of infidelity. Actually, he wrote me a letter.

Gosh this is going to make me cry. I can just picture the pain on his face as he handed me that letter. He was so ashamed and so scared.