The role of "Ethics and Values" now being played by: (position available)

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Whit4you

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:04 pm Click here to edit this post
I'd like to thank Neil for creating this game and for the experiences I've gotten here. It has been an intense experience.

I'm not sorry for anyone who's been irritated or who feels their time was wasted by my posts - I was doing what I felt was right. But I am done wasting your time.

I've enjoyed many aspects of this game - and can not believe sometimes how convoluted it has become - based on a few simple oversites - that created a slipper slope that is gettign steeper.
I somehow ended up feeling like a player in this game and not just a viewer and that is very interesting. But because of my inability to just look the other way - when I see an injustice - I don't feel that I fit in to THIS beta version anymore.

Before I take my leave however there is one thing I want to make a little more clear - not that it matters to most here obviously but at least it's said.

The 2nd reason for my endless pursuit of feedback on the current vote (trying to get a small sampling of who really wanted this revote)
was that do to the fact that it's become very clear that the host - a few of the players and obvously at least 38 of the viewers here feel that cheating is ok in this version of this game. So there is no reason whatsoever they would have a problem with cheating themselves in determinine the outcome OF this vote.

I am not being paraniod the fact that Gail was not asked to resign after breaking the rules and was flown a banner making it clear that this was much ado about nothing - says that those running this game do not have a major problem with cheating. Tbe 38 + people now voting for ArReal apparently don't feel cheating is that wrong either. Why - if they have NO problem with Gail cheating - would they have a problem with cheating to keep her in?

By posting the thread that I posted - anyone who thinks cheating is ok (that Gail should not be banished - ArReal should) would have to think twice about making 15 names and voting - because it might look a little strange if there are 60 votes for ArReal and only a 17 who claim to have voted for her. It was my way of trying to keep that to a minimum - without implying anyone WAS actually cheating. (the reason posted on the threads was obvoiusly the most important to me)

It mattered to me, because ArReal is a real person with real feelings, but I was obviously spinning my wheels here.

I was trying to force feed my own values and ethics into this game and they were not wanted. I don't regret the choices I made but it's apparent that the issue I was trying to raise here just is NOT that important to the majority of people here - people want peace and to just get this overwith and move on - regardless of the ethics involved in ArReal getting banished.

I hope that enough gets worked out in this game that there is a game II. Because I believe with some very clear rules this game has ALOT to offer. Perhaps by then I can fit in here - but for now - me trying to force feed some ethics into this game is just not what anyone here is needing or looking for.

I suggest you do not find a replacement for the bit part I somehow ended up playing here - do to unforseen circumstances that part simply can not WORK in this beta test of the game.

I wish EVERYONE here the best - I'll be back for for Roger's Winners celebration!!!!

Whitney

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Is this the final curtain? >>sob<<

Adven39

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Actually, I would have loved to be the new caretaker of ethics and values, but those shoes would just be impossible to fill.

Misslibra

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Whitney girl, where are you going ??? Come on this is only a game. I'm not tired of reading your post. I like your post, sometimes I agree sometimes I disagree.

Some people also think that Arreal was cheating, because she had some friends on the outside she talk to a lot. And even though she may or may not have been discussing the game with them, it just didn't look right to some.

And as some people have pointed out in other threads they found her irritating. Don't know exactly why ? But that is just how they feel about her.

I posted a thread long ago about them getting outside info. And I must say all you have to do is read some of their conversation to come to that conclusion.

which might be the reason why some people are not just looking at Tali as breaking the rules but also at Arreal breaking them to. Which is a awful feeling to be accused of something if your innocent of it.

I think some of Arreal's friends shouldn't have talked about them talking to her so much. Not blaming anyone. Just giving my take on what I have read from other posters ... that's it.

In their afforts to help their friend they might have hurt her to. I remember there for a minute you couldn't even say anything about Arreal, without being accused of bashing her. I had ask long ago if we were going to have to walk on eggshells with her. I was told she is a tuff girl, and can take care of herself. And I agree she can take care of herself.

I think these are some of the real reasons you see the vote going the way it's going. This is just my opinion on everything I have seen, and read so far ... I could be wrong ! :)

I hope you will stay, you seem like a nice person, one I have enjoyed talking to, and reading your posts ! :)

Lafatme

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 09:25 pm Click here to edit this post
whit, there are people who would vote for nixon if he was alive and running!

Sbw

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 07:24 am Click here to edit this post
Obviously all voters are not basing their choice of who is going to get the boot based on ethics and values as far as the one incident is concerned. There are 26 votes not for either one of them. Xenia, I know she wants out, hey if I had enough votes to go around I would have given her one. :) But the other two have not asked to be banished and that I can think of off hand have not done anything noteworthy against the spirit of the game and they have still received votes.

Laf: Obviously there are people that would vote for Nixon, a lot of people voted for Clinton while his ethics and values were/are in question.

Wcv63

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 10:03 am Click here to edit this post
Since we seem to be speculating here, maybe some people are voting strategically to eliminate the biggest competition for their favorites. Since Talisker has already said she cannot win the prize anyway, perhaps her not being a threat competitively is a factor in people using their votes elsewhere.

Norequerdo

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 12:48 pm Click here to edit this post
I can see the logic of not tossing talis out. She cant win anyway. If it is down to the last two and talis is one of them, the other guy wins.

Ocean_Islands

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 12:50 pm Click here to edit this post
But that's a pretty dumb way to play a game.

Wcv63

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 01:13 pm Click here to edit this post
OI, I agree. I voted Talis because, and I know I sound like a freaking broken record, she will not accept any responsibility for Tali-gate. She wants to place "blame" on others.

Katie

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 01:15 pm Click here to edit this post
Tali-gate? That is pretty good!

Ocean_Islands

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 01:27 pm Click here to edit this post
Your needle is skipping.

Wcv63

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 01:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Katie...but I don't think I claim the credit. I read it somewhere here on the board.

Annagator

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 02:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Hey, wc, you shouldn't plaigerize other people's comments like that.

Back to ethics and values - I haven't voted yet, still time to accept any bribes that may come my way... <kidding!>

Katie

Monday, October 16, 2000 - 02:21 pm Click here to edit this post
I have suggestion for you Anna. Don't even think of voting Roger. LOL