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Guruchaz

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 08:35 am Click here to edit this post
But how many people are already getting bored with this whole thing? I can't imagine how much time this consumes for the HGs let alone for the people out here. It's just not the same intensity as when Big Brother was viewable over the internet and people would rush here to discuss it.

I understand that the board should have support from the users. But, unless the conversations are initiated from Discussion Topics or through Challenges, the HGs are just talking about a whole lot of nothing. Is it just me or does anyone else think this experience is lacking?

Streetjaie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 08:43 am Click here to edit this post
Guru, I hafta kinda agree with you there. Although I do find some of this interesting, it does get a little stale from time to time. I think that those who put this thing together could have done a better job, but for now, I'm gonna stick around and see how it goes.:)

Ocean_Islands

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 08:45 am Click here to edit this post
What is it you are looking for, exactly?

Obviously it's not as intense as BB because we're not watching live video action and there's no tv show. So of course it's going to be different.

I think the feeling is quite different. I think we get involved in a different way. It does take more attention than the tv show did, that's true.

Noslonna

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 09:52 am Click here to edit this post
We are Beta testers. Report bugs.

Digilady

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:52 am Click here to edit this post
Not bugs, but:

1) Make the Rules very clear on communication. Can they communicate privately outside the game? And, I thought they were originally denied access to whole board?

2) Be clear on WHO can be in any Game. Moderators or not.

3) Allow, say 2 new discussions a day from the players. Which they choose as a group.

4) Limit the house to 3 areas only. No need for a church, bedroom, bathroom, etc. This ain't real life. Living room, Hot Tub, and something else.

5) add a Real-time chat which can be logged by volunteers. I notice constant confusion by players as to who is where, and why not, considering time zones?

JMO

Cat

Noslonna

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:19 am Click here to edit this post
I agree with you again! Especially about starting new discussions. They are all over the place. (couldn't they just post a link to a joke site instead of "The Improv?")

Replace "The Confusing Virtual House" with one play area such as a Virtual Lovebed or Lovetub for the RPG type interaction. The pore cams were not that interesting even in BB. They don't really use the bedrooms or kitchen except to give us recipes (again just link us to recipe.com}.

They deserve their own IRC too. Maybe one just for the BGs such as we have for private member chats. except members could view the logs.

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:43 am Click here to edit this post
I thought that when the game was announced, we were told that moderators couldn't play. Now one is so doesn't that mean the rules were changed during the decision process and we weren't even told about it. That is what bothers me. If they were going to change the rule and put a moderator in why were't we told that?

Wcv63

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:56 am Click here to edit this post
Well like BB the rules can be changed randomly. That's the whole thing with BB....they changed the rules continually in an effort to jumpstart more interest. I'm not saying that this is what happened, just that the all powerful OZ holds all the cards. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:02 pm Click here to edit this post
But we should be told that the rule had been changed. I would have no problem with her being in the game if we hadn't been told that moderators couldn't play and then one was put secretly in the game and if it were't for the fact that Gail has been on this side of the board. That is very clearly cheating if she has access to this.

Lafatme

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:05 pm Click here to edit this post
katie, i agree. change the rules all you want, i don't care. but...those of us OUTSIDE the game have a right to know what is going on. we are not playing and don't want to be played with by the host/admin.

host can play with the minds of the BGs, they signed on for it, those of us watching just want to know WHAT we are watching.

if the rules change we should know-it is not supposed to be us that are kept in the dark.

Noslonna

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:12 pm Click here to edit this post
Laf don't be getting all serious now. What rule said the Outsiders would be told about rule changes? What rule said it was okay to "play with the minds of the BGs" and not with the BOs?

Vasix

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:06 am Click here to edit this post
I think the one thing that has caused an imbalance in the game (versus BB) is that the HG's have so many ties to the most of the heavy posters on the boards. I know only current TVCLUB members could be chosen but it seems that a certain proportion of the players are really well knowns whereas in BB they were all unknowns. That has caused a lot of churn as first everyone went on a who's who task and that was tiring. Maybe next time just announce: And now playing as XXXXXXX, our TVCLUB friend previously known as YYYYYYYY. That would get all the alliances and prior history out in the open.

And the outside contact is harder in a virtual game. Its obvious anyone who would play is a net-phreak and outside contact is too hard to police.

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:12 am Click here to edit this post
When applicants are selected for the game, the list of players should be kept secret.

Applicants should be informed privately and instructed to tell know one.

New pseudonyms will be given to the applicants.

That way, we won't even know who is playing and it will be much more interesting.

Vasix

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:18 am Click here to edit this post
Geez Ocean, a nice wave back at you. Right on!

Karuuna

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:51 am Click here to edit this post
Ocean -- I don't know that we "won't know" who's playing, it will only make it a little more difficult to figure it out. Certain folks who are frequent posters will turn up to be missing in action from the regular boards. For example, if you were chosen, we'd all be wondering why you weren't posting, and then of course we would know you were in the game. I don't know any way around that, do you? Perhaps that's why Gail made her posts, to throw folks off? I agree that making it more difficult and not announcing who was chosen is a good idea, just think there will be some who will continue to be identified, unless the only folks who are chosen are those who mostly lurk.

Vasix

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:12 am Click here to edit this post
Okay Karuuna is right, by the absence of posts, they would quickly figure out it was Ocean playing. Therefore Ocean we are going to have to make a request of you for the next beta test:

1) please submit tissue for cloning. And don't lop off any body part you will be needing because cloning takes a while. We suggest you send in your appendix, noone knows what the hell that is good for anyways. And all cloning grafts become the property of TVCH.

or

2) we're gonna have to fake your untimely demise (and the untimely demise of the other 9 chosen) which may entail more theatrics than we can muster.

Whit4you

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:24 am Click here to edit this post
Or all of us OUTSIDE could get new identities the same day - then by the time we all figure out who WE are - to figure out who's MISSING, the game would be half over. LOL :)

Adven39

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:41 am Click here to edit this post
My problem with all this is that no matter who the ten selected are, some are going to have advantages that others don't - the ability to get outside information, a prior history with many on the outside who do the voting and a relationship with admin that could create a conflict of interest or the appearance of a conflict. The issue to me is not whether we know the identity of the participants, but how do we level the playing field and diminish the possibility that we on the outside are being manipulated. I'd suggest the following:
1. Have the 10 participants selected by a vote. This lessens the possibility of there being plants or moles. This does turn it into a popularity contest, I know, but we would be getting the participants the majority of us want and eliminate any suspicion that admin might be basing his selections on some criteria other than merit.
2. Let the BG's view our discussion area, but not post there. I realize the disadvantages of this, but if the possibility exists that a BG may have access to outside information due to a pre-existing relationship with someone on the outside, it is not fair to penalize those BG's who play honestly or do not have such a person available to gather information from. Allowing access to our discussion area would help to insure that all players have the same information.
3. That admin not contact any player individually prior to or during the game, and, conversely, that no player contact admin. If such a message becomes necessary, then the contents of that message should be made available to the other players and posted on the outside. This would help eliminate any suspicion that an individual player is being privately coached to behave in a specific way in order to create interest and drama.

Digilady

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 12:59 pm Click here to edit this post
I disagree with letting them see the Discussion Area, for a myriad of reasons.

Not the least, it would limit what was said there. It's different knowing they will see it after the Game or being banished!

Also, they'd probably have converstions about US watching THEM. That borders on the silly.

Wcv63

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 01:07 pm Click here to edit this post
ROTFLMAO Digi!! I was already switching threads when the hilarity of post truly sunk in. It would be hamsters all around. More like survivor with two feuding tribes. Hamters/Inside vs Hamsters/Outside

Jana

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:30 pm Click here to edit this post
These are hard questions....I don't know how you could really work it out to be anonymous and them not getting outside info....

I do not mind the whole Gail/moderator thing at all....as I understand it (the way it was on tv AND in this game AND the general concept of a Big Brother altogether) is that Big Brother can change the rules and do whatever they want because they have all power over game and guests.

I think there probably really isn't any way to not let them get leaked information.....we are a close-knit group of regulars here and people ARE going to know who is who and there WILL be people who cheat and help them.....

I have racked my brain,,,,just can't think of any solution.....

Nikkid

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:41 pm Click here to edit this post
OMG!! The GAME II!!!

A survivor BB!! Two tribes - no outside contact! Oh I would help administer!!! OH YES OH YES PLEASE!!!

Nikkid

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:43 pm Click here to edit this post
I will post more on this later - Am inspired! Totally inspired.

Wcv63

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:45 pm Click here to edit this post
LOL...the HI's (hamsters/inside) vs the HO's (hamsters/outside)

I think I'd rather be HI than be a HO

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:46 pm Click here to edit this post
I just saw that in their "ten minutes" the Beegees are going to try to cut and paste as much stuff as they possibly can, and then post it into their little world!

Wcv63

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:49 pm Click here to edit this post
Have they dispensed with Roger as being the most qualified and are now going for someone more technolgically gifted? Who's got the biggest and fastest computer? We know Arreal is definitely out!

Whit4you

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:52 pm Click here to edit this post
So tell me the truth - How many hours a day do they let you out of your padded cells into the computer lab to type?? And what is the medical term for this new treatment?


Whitney

Wcv63

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 03:17 pm Click here to edit this post
We have computers in the cells with us! Treatment is called, "Non Intensive Therapy for the Wonderfully Hypnotic, Intelligent and Gifted" or N.I.T. W.H.I.T.

Misslibra

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 04:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Nikkid, sounds like a good concept for Game II. Now if we could just mold it into something. Or are you just kidding, never know with you ... LOL

Digilady

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 05:45 pm Click here to edit this post
WBAHAHAHHAHAH Wsnot... I just spewed coffee on the keyboad.

Sandyc

Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:22 pm Click here to edit this post
How about if we all play the game and get weekly?? awards for Most fun, most caring, most informative, most entertaining, etc. or get banished for a day or a week or sometime for being the most obnoxious, most angry, most stupid or something along those lines. We could vote each other for banishment, etc. What do you think? This stems from Digilady's comment about them watching us and us watching them. Also - one or two people could be organized to be a certain way and if they get found out they get booted. If one of us guesses wrong we get booted. Neil could lock us out for a day or two.
just an idea. Expand people.

Admin

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:54 am Click here to edit this post
Once again, this is all part of the game! who can survive the boredom! :)

We are slowly but surely building up other areas of the website for your enjoyment as well, so if the Game is not something you want to take part in, I hope you find something else interesting.

If there's anything you want to see, we're open to suggestions....in fact this whole site was built on that! Let your ideas rip! The site is for you....it can be customized for you, so let's hear what you want. Thanks.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 02:15 am Click here to edit this post
Admin, could we have the Neil & Lisa Live talk radio show? You build it, we will cum (or at least breath heavy.)