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Nikkid

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 02:34 pm Click here to edit this post
:) serious, I'm curious as hell to your reasoning now.

Guruchaz

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 02:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Vykin has become a serious whiney-ass in there. He used to be funny and now he's a little titty baby.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 02:43 pm Click here to edit this post
my reasoning. All I did was question Arreal's motives. She pretty much satisfied me with her last post. She expressed honest emotions of anger and a desire for vindication, that is fine. As far as Vykin is concerned, I haven't made a secret of it I like the guy. I think Vykin will be banished in the next go round and I hope that we can see a thread where the two of them hash it out. I would like to see the two of them confront each other and get it all out.

Let's see what happens.

Nikkid

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 02:53 pm Click here to edit this post
But my question is:
Why aren't you questioning Vykins motives??

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 02:54 pm Click here to edit this post
Why should I???? Vykin's motives for what??? Questioning whether her computer was broken??? They all have the same damn motives. They want to win the game. its not that hard to figure out

Wcv63

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 03:01 pm Click here to edit this post
Nor because you like Vykin it means he can do no wrong? Because you like Vykin any action and motivation on his part in an effort to win is completely understandable and beyond reproach?


Okay, now I understand.

Nikkid

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 03:02 pm Click here to edit this post
Nor are you deliberatly being dense? Your whole stance was distrusting Arreal of not playing fair. Yet Vykin started out in the shadow of not playing fair - and it's "OK"

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 03:18 pm Click here to edit this post
O.K. are we talking about my earlier posts or the post on ArReal quit??? I never said ArReal didnt play fair. I said whats the big deal they are all cheating inside and outside. As far as who started out not playing fair, I don't know whether that has been answered yet. Frankly, at this point I don't really care much right now. Now it is down to five players so I am watching them. ArReal is no longer a player and doesnt impact what is going on in the game at this point on. I just want to watch what happens now.

Katie

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Is it because now you are on the losing end of the argument? That you are being shown to be hypocritcal in your support for Vykin and attacking ArReal?

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:10 pm Click here to edit this post
I am not on the losing end of the argument. I am pragmatic. I know Vykin is going to lose. What idiot thinks thinks that Vykin is going to win this game.
Please point out where I have been hypocritical

Whit4you

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Um one thing I can say for Nor, is he has admitted openly when he felt he was in the wrong, which is more then most people ever do. That I admire, and it's also why I suggested his "motivation" here. Because I think if he really stops to think about it he will realize he's being hypocritical, and while insisting we "go back to the game" ourselves, HE is playing the "other side" of this game, the one outside.

I also think he's willing to admit to being a hypocrit and admitting that's his "role" here, by Gail not resigning or being asked to resign from the game for "cheating" that says to those of us watching one thing only, that for this version of the game do to some initial oversites - cheating's deemed ok. So why should Nor have any problem with Vykin cheating ya know? His problem is instead with someone "outting" him for it.

Trying to put our own preconcieved notions of how "wrong" cheating is aside for this game - has made the entire game a bit confusing. This game wasn't designed that way - it only turned out that way for one reason, a game for a Tshirt - turned out to be a game some folks wanted to really WIN for the CD prize. Before then - rules really didn't matter.

The rules for entering a prize for a free Tshirt are always written differently then the rules for a $200 prize.

Kearie, I hope you are having fun out here. At least your starting to understand why we have 4000+ posts out here. LOL!

Whitney

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:24 pm Click here to edit this post
whit but when you think of it all this intrigue over $200 bucks, I dont understnd that part. I have to say I am enjoying all the intrigue.

I dont understand what you mean by my motivation and why I am hypocritical. I am truly intersted in your views. We haven't agreed in the past but I don't think we have reduced ourselves to name calling. So let me know what you think and I will try and respond.

Adven39

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Whit, the only reason Nor is good at admitting when she's wrong is because she's had a lot of practice. I don't see any indication that she's learned from the experience.

Katie

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Because you have repeatedly called Areal on receiving information from outside sources and not once have you found fault with Vykin doing the same thing. Vykin has publicly posted that he received outside information concerning ArReal cheating. You picked up on the part that she was cheating and ignored the part where he said how he knew this. They both received outside information according to this so why is only ArReal receiving your condemnation? Either they are both guilty or both innocent.

Nikkid

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Actually I have reduced myself to name-calling a couple times. :P But you have been hypocritical through out this game.
1. You came to chat and got some of our info and opinions on a player - You then used it against that player.
2. You then came into chat again and 2 people out about 10 admitted to more then one vote - you then came out and said we were all cheaters and how could we care about it in the game.
3. Then you got weird... Started lying low and supporting vykin
4. Back to questioning Arreal and her comp/cheating - whatever else you had ammo for.
5. But not once did you question Vykin as you did Arreal - you were hypocritical to the max!! You support Gail (ms. no responsiblity for her actions) and Vykin (mr. outside info central), but only after Arreal quits and you can no longer bash at her do you accept her statements and say, it's just a game - they are all cheating.

I SO DONT GET YOU. If you supported Rog/Luk/Moon/Zeb/Xen - I could understand. I've no suspicians, nor have I ever. I believe they played it clean.

Whit4you

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:44 pm Click here to edit this post
Nor, I'd love to explain to you but folks here (you included I think?) have a distate for long winded posts - LOL.

As far as the prize I agree, and enjoy and appreciate Neil enough if I had been in a position to do so, I woulda just offered em all the CD player personally - and had the Grand Prize being the T-shirt again. But am not at a point where I have an extra 2,000 to spend - lol.

And your right, we do seem to be able to disagree without getting nasty with each other. At least so far, perhaps because we are both right - just for different reasons. <grin>

Whitney

Whit4you

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Kearie, a question for you. Did you have any idea that anyone outside even cared about this Tali/ArReal/ Vykin situation, other then perhaps knowing there was a REVOTE in progress after the host posting over there regarding the who Tali was?

I also wonder what your take on Tali's red room reports?

I also would love to know what you'd say to those INSIDE, a "goodbye note" of sorts to Roger, Moon et al., since you didn't write one inside.

I have at least 100 more questions lemme know when you tire of them. Zeb's semi-MIA, Gail, Snave, and Wendy are as well. So your it.

Whit

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:58 pm Click here to edit this post
O.K. Katie first -- I have not criticized Arreal for receiving outside information. I have always said whats the big deal they are all cheating. That is a fact. My recent criticism of Arreal was on her motives for posting the resignation letter. I QUESTIONED MOTIVES!!!!!


Niddid - I have no idea what you are talking about on information ona player but I am sure you will enlighten me.

yes I came into chat and two people admitted to cheating and I said whats the big deal about Talis there is cheating going on inside and outside. Never mind that one of the cheaters actually denied it when I brought it up. Remember that, I apologized to them saying maybe it wasnt them. I also did not name who in the chat said they were cheating, They themselves decided for whatever reason to identify themselves.

O.K. I started lying low??? what the heck does that mean. Maybe I didn't have any comment to make. That is a crime now, not saying anything????

As for supporting Gail, I said to Tali and I stand by it. Much ado about nothing. This righteous indignation about not following the rule of law is a joke considering what I read in the chat room.

As far as the statement that only after Arreal quits and I can no longer bash her do I accept her statements. Read the damn posts. I questioned Arreal as soon as she left and posted the resignation letter. It was only after she admitted her anger and her desire for vengeance did I accept her statements. I can understand those emotions and I accept them. I dont hold those emotions against her.

I dont particularly care whether you understand or have suspicions. I have said what I have said. Do what you want with it. It seems to me you are spending a lot of energy on me and I am not even a player.

And whit, as always, I have no argument with you. We agree to disagree but I do like your intelligent posts.

Muzzy

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 04:59 pm Click here to edit this post
THIS IS GETTIN TOOOOOOO UGLY, LETS PUT THE GAME BACK INTO THE GAME, NOW WHILE ADMIN WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO ME IN TIME OF MUZZY-FAKER- aLOT OF THIS BICKERING WOULD END IF GREATER CHALLENGES-FUN CHALLENGES WERE GIVEN BY ADMIN, ALOT HAS BEEN HEAVY, ABOUT DEATH, AND CHEATIN MATES, WHERE U CAN ONLY STATE OPINION.
I'D LIKE TO CHALLENGE ADMIN, TO GIVER PLAYERS SOME FUN TOPICS AND FUN CHALLENGES. AND TO FANS, DO NOT GET UGLY, IT IS PITIFUL HOW EMPTY BANNER AREA IS, COME ON IF YOU ARE A FAN MAKE A BANNER OFFER A SUBJECT, THIS IS A GAME. BRING ON THE FUN!!

Shelia

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 05:03 pm Click here to edit this post
Arreal is gone, so why keep fighting over her. Vykin just posted in the Redroom and I just read his post and I think we should all wait till the story is out. Obviously, there is more than we all know. Let the game continue with the players that are still in as we do not know what the real story is and Vykin does not have any way of defending what is being said about him, so it is unfair to judge by what one person is saying without the other person to defend himself. If Arreal had anything to say she should have stayed in the game and discussed it with Vykin instead of quitting and saying it where he can not defend himself. So with that said---Let the game continue and be fair.

Katie

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 05:08 pm Click here to edit this post
As I said before she tried to discuss it with him. She has even said that was the reason for the IM to him and he has refused. Now as far as her talking about it out here.. I see no reason for it to wait. He can and is talking about his problems with ArReal in the house where ArReal can no longer post. She can't defend herself in there. Sounds pretty equal to me. I see nothing unfair about us discussing a situation that bothers us. I also don't see ArReal posting in this thread. Just the outsiders.

Nikkid

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 05:11 pm Click here to edit this post
Nor - I started this thread to hear your views - Of course I'm spending alot of time on you! :) I've been rooting for you to be a player if there is a game II even.
The cheating - your posts blew it out of proportion and it's agreed it's moot now - I've read the other threads as well.
The lying low part was when you got quiet after you started all the quabbelings.
As for the rest of your comment to me - you shoulda said that in the beginning, it was obvious I was going to question you.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 05:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Me be a player???? Never happen. NEVER NEVER NEVER.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 05:17 pm Click here to edit this post
Katie, please explain where Vykin has talked about Arreal since she left. Only thread I see is in red room and the House guests cant read it.

Nikkid

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 05:22 pm Click here to edit this post
Ah come on Nor - The website has already been started. :)