Archive through October 13, 2000

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Wcv63

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:29 am Click here to edit this post
So let me get this straight. The only ones in The Game who have played by the rules thus far are May, Luke, Roger, Zeb, Xenia and Moondance. Did anyone see anywhere Tali asking Vykin and Arreal to chat? I feel like I'm looking for a needle in a haystack.

Whit4you

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:29 am Click here to edit this post
Katie if you see the posts with her trying to get Roger to go private, you'll see she doesn't give up easy. She may have claimed to have information from an email from The Host that she couldn't post to the room (this is what she was saying to Roger)

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:33 am Click here to edit this post
Yes that was the impression I got to and so it would be natural to follow her if they thought it was part of the game.

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:37 am Click here to edit this post
Read the new challenge for the players!

Lafatme

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:52 am Click here to edit this post
evidentally, the private chat took place on aol. the BGs screenames on aol would not be the game names they are using so vyk and arreal probably thought they were being invited by someone they knew from the board but NOT a game player.

they would not have received a message from "talisker" to go to a private chat room, it would have come from tali's aol screename.

in the RR tali admits emailing arreal before the game so arreal would have recognized the name as gail and could have entered the chatroom not knowing it was tali. same with vykin.

that brings up the vyk question again. how did gail know vykin's screename when he didn't exist (as optics) until a few days before the game?

Whit4you

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:55 am Click here to edit this post
That is a darn good question! How DID gail know vykings aol screen name period? Regardless of if he was Vykings or Optics or anyone else. Even if there was someone on AOL with one of those two names that would not in anyway indicate it was the vyking from THIS game. There are 5 million people on AOL and if you do a search under vkykings or Optics you'll come up with 100's of choices.

Hmmmm.....

(as I just mentioned in another thread I'm seriously feeling like one of the players now, not just the audience. LOL)

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:59 am Click here to edit this post
All very good points!

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:04 pm Click here to edit this post
Another interesting thing is that Gail has been posting some here on this side of the game. This means she had access to what has been going on here. That is very clearly cheating.

Nikkid

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:27 pm Click here to edit this post
I'm sorry the more I read the more I see lot's of IM's going on, even arreal who seems to be trying not to cheat - BUT SHE IS.
1. the initial chat
2. Talis said to vykin "Lets go somewhere to be alone" and they both said goodnight to the board.
3. In the Vykin suspician folder he states that Arreal IM'd him.
Also, I think the discussion is bunk - why just focus on Talisker? I like Luke and Zebs input.

Ocean_Islands

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:32 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't think that ArReal and Vyk should be punished for trusting Talisker. They did wrong by following her to a chat room, but Talisker did wrong by enticing them. You would expect much more from someone who is one of moderators of the board. Maybe she felt immune to the rules because of her moderating relationship.

Noslonna

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Lafatme: "vyk is sending cryptic messages on the net cam. in one he mentions "xisav," who i think is vasix backward. vasix USED to post here too but seems to be mysteriously gone for the game."

Is spelling your name backwards a crime? It's even allowed on AOL. Send cryptic messages to noslonna@aol.com

Affinity

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:34 pm Click here to edit this post
funny Ann

Wink

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Seems like we're all being "played". This is Big Brother after all!

Karuuna

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:40 pm Click here to edit this post
I'm thinking there are two possibilities here, maybe those of you that have been part of the board longer and know all these folks better can help me evaluate them?
One: Gail was a "plant" and the host knew all along, thus gave Gail the necessary info to contact Vykins and Arreal via IM. Perhaps her "secret" (that she was Gail) revealed to them in the chat was part of the game, and the point was to see who would go chat with her and how they would deal with the secret?
OR
The host didn't know Gail was going into the game under the name Ryder, is that possible? Then Gail has violated the rules by posting outside the game area, and "may" be disqualified?

Petunia

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Thank you for pointing out the thread, Ocean. Nikkid, thanks for answering me -I feel so stupid- I totally missed Nor's question.

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:53 pm Click here to edit this post
I think the host knew about Gail and she was a plant. Maybe to stir things up in the game if things got boring.

Lafatme

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:03 pm Click here to edit this post
spelling a name backwards is not a crime. my question is why did he do it? was it just to be funny, or was it supposed to be unnoticed? i don't know, but i want to know.

i don't care if gail is a plant. i do think we should have been told though. host can play with the BGs, that's the game. but host shouldn't be playing with the board members. we should know the rules and know what intrigues are being instigated by the host. that way we can watch and know what it is we're watching.

Whit4you

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Well I don't think it matters if Gail was a moderator of this board or not. The only thing the Moderators of this board did was to take hours and hours of their own time (for free) to delete "nasty" posts. That should have no bearing on her being in the game.

However, she spent dozens of hours writing the live feeds for BB, she KNOWS why the houseguests had to keep their microphones on. She knows clearly the whole "no privacy" concept. She was fully aware at least prior to her inviting those two into a private chat, that they were against the rules based on a conversation she'd had with Roger.

I read her Red Room discussion. I totally understand why she'd want to go in "incognito" (more incognito then the rest who were ALSO incognito) BUT that does NOT excuse her breaking the rules - it also doesn't excuse her making ArReal out to be the badguy here for exposing this entire thing. IF she had not went out of her way to break the rules there would be no "secret" to have been revealed. She's acting betrayed because ArReal "told" her secret. She needs to stop and THINK, if she wanted to play this game and remain incognito, going behind everyone else's back and telling her "secret" - was going to backfire on her. There is NO way she could have known based on the information she recieved IN the game, those two others AOL IM names. Not from anything I've read and I've read every post (and profile) of all the players there.
There's no indication anywhere as to what the AOL NAME they were currently under while posting was.

She's trying to make herself look like the victim here, and I'll admit I do feel a little sorry for her, I am not IN the game so I can't know what it's like. I don't think she's a horrible person, I just think she was not THINKING things through. Not thinking about the ramifications of her having private convo's with the other BGs - but she should have known. She was a live feed poster. I can imagine her reaction had the houseguests been having a bunch of conversations that SHE couldn't hear. I think she should be disqualified, but won't hold this against her as a person if she stops to realize what she did and apologizes for it (and to ArReal for putting her in the position she did)

Whit

Katie

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:20 pm Click here to edit this post
But the rules that were stated said no moderators. If they wanted to put one in they should have told us they put one in and made a challenge out of finding out who it was and not this way. It would have been better to have had an all moderator game after this game. That I would have loved to have seen.

Lafatme

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:35 pm Click here to edit this post
whit, i agree. i don't care that gail is there. i do care that she deceived the board members, as opposed to the players.

now i see that vyk is more than one person! what kind of game is this? are we the ones being played? this info really angers me.

i'm getting tired of this BS from the people who planned this game. i don't know what i'm watching anymore and i'm becoming disgusted with the deception taking place.

somebody owes us an apology.

Petunia

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Unless I misunderstood Arreal's last post, it looks like the "Technical" matters discussed on IM were that of alliances and nominations. They clearly violated the rules.

Digilady

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Just a thought:

What is a game, when the rules may be arbitrarily changed? When "cheating" goes unpunished?

Ocean_Islands

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:11 pm Click here to edit this post
It's clearly wrong.

However, you may not realize that the people running the game have no experience running a game. Let's hope they learn fast.

It was also wrong to change the prize. Obviously it's great to have a real prize -- but this was another change that you have to chalk up to lack of experience.

Rules cannot be changed after the game has started. What if we were playing Monopoly and half-way through decided that the rules were different?

Lafatme

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:19 pm Click here to edit this post
ocean, i agree. the organizers made some mistakes, it's understandable and i don't hold it against them, if they were mistakes and not intentional manipulation of board members. i think it's time for them to take action to correct those mistakes. if no attempt to right the wrongs are made it would seem safe to assume they were done intentionally.

the ball is now in their court, so to speak.

Ocean_Islands

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:22 pm Click here to edit this post
Host has finally admitted that they knew who Talisker/Ryder/Gail was before players were chosen to participate in the game. See this post from The Game posted by HOST:

Topic #5 - What do you think about Talisker?
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The ClubHouse: The Game - Play Room: General Discussions: Topic #5 - What do you think about Talisker?
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Players, you have realized that Talisker(Ryder) is actually Gail, a TVClub Moderator. Discuss what you would like to do about it if anything. After you have discussed this issue, a poll will be conducted over the weekend to decide if you would like Talisker booted out of the Game. Majority Rules in this respect.
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Host
Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:41 pm
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There are 2 issues at hand here:
1. Talisker being a moderator, and
2. Players receiving outside information.
The Host can not prevent issue #2. We specifically asked that you be sequestered to the Play Room, and to not address any E-mail messages being sent to you from the outside... Since this is an online game, we have no control whether you chat on other programs, or send or receive E-mail from your friends... If you are breaking the rules, and we don't know about it, there's nothing we can do.
Regarding the first issue, I will respond to your questions.
Big Host was aware of Talisker's situation prior to choosing her to play the Game.
Talisker has no special privileges as a Player of the Game and is treated just as the 8 of you are. All rules apply to her, just as they do to you.