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Archive through November 01, 2000
Optics | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 01:31 pm  Reference Letter for Nor: I have known Nor for 7 years as one of my oldest online friends. I believe Nor is a strong individual who is secure enough in her self-esteem to handle any mudslinging anyone on this board wishes to indulge in. I also state, without qualifier (an ultimate approval of an individuals ability to do the job), that I have notified Nor to respond in any manner she sees fit. Having said this. I must now return to my Trial which has begun a short time ago. You will have to wait until the court has begun. But I believe we are all intelligent people who can read, so look for: OPTICS ON TRIAL - COURT IS NOW IN SESSION folder coming to a website near you shortly. I ask that people refraining from further directing me to fight the fires. I have charges against me and I've just been called to the witness stand. |
Karuuna | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 02:28 pm  Long thread, good points. I'm done with it for now tho, y'all can fight quite nicely amongst yourselves. Now, here's food for thought. If Vykin is truly female, but we thought s/he was male when s/he won, would Vykin have won if we knew s/he was female? Figure that out. <attempting distraction, works with my 6 year old> |
Bijoux | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 03:59 pm  Maybe one person is playing everyone for a fool? Just a thought. It does seem that someone has been trying to disrupt things (example - someone impersonating Muzzy in one of the live chats - something that was cleared up by Neil and Lisa.) Seems strange to me that someone would post the information to a person they don't know instead of bringing it to the boards themselves. For what purpose? Other than that I think that Adven39 could list the specific examples as they pertain to the allegations he has posted that served to convince him of the truth. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:03 pm  I can't believe how much fun this game is, even when it's over. I haven't been to court yet but will do that thread next. A couple things: First, I always wondered why "Optics" and "It's all Optics." I've always taken that to mean that there is some illusion involved. When Vyk said he was going to reveal himself a couple of days ago, I thought we'd know something. He posted his email -- who knows for what reason. Secondly, Vykin does not sound like a female. If Vykin is a female then she must not be your typical female because I don't find the writing at all feminine. |
Lafatme | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:15 pm  it is all optics, ...to optics. in the court thread he feels attacked because members (equals) of this clubhouse chose to use it. to him that thread is all optic's (possessive) |
Jana | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:17 pm  Wowwwww, i just found this thread...well just to play the Nancy Drew game here: i find it interesting that Optics only has ONE post prior to the game..... and where has Ryn been lately????? |
Lafatme | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:23 pm  jana, i asked that same question when the game began and was accused of "attacking" vyk. shhh, better be quiet about it. otherwise we'll hear about it from his "army" until time immemorial! shhhh. |
Zelda | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:25 pm  Laf... don't be posting on your membership board... did you get permission to post in this thread? |
Kearie | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:31 pm  At risk of sounding like a big whiner, I have a few things to say. I would be horribly upset and hurt to find that anyone involved with the administration of this board was involved with this Vykin stuff. Whether it be a moderator, an admin, or a relative of them. I realize that prior to the game it was stated that we play at our own risks and admin would not be responsible for hurt feelings. However, I feel I was very much attacked by Vykin and Norq in these threads. I was targetted even after my apologies and withdrawing from the game. I would hope that admin would be more fair in dealing with posters and people of this board. I would hope that the 'bashing' would have been spread around more fairly. In any event, this game caused real emotions and real hurt...for me as well as others. It stopped being fun...and that is truly a shame. |
Lafatme | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:32 pm  no zelda, my apologies to optics because it truly is all optic's. |
Zelda | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:41 pm  lol Laf! Kearie, you have some good points! |
Optics | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:42 pm  Optics walks in alone, only the Gator in the court room. Optics informs the Judge, that this trial has truly become a "cesspool of contamination", Optics has dropped the dreamteam because its evident there is no dream, only nightmares. He sits across from the Judge and Prepares to answer questions and tells the whole truth for the last time. Judge: When did you learn of this site and why did you apply for The Game? I learned about it through BigBrother2000 it was one of the first links that appeared. I clicked the link and found it to be an excellent site for transcripts of BB. I was "stationed in the AOL chatrooms for BigBrother, where I met many BB fans. Every chance I got, I told people in the chatrooms (at times over 2000 people chatting) to go directly to this site, because it was the best. I myself came to the site at least 10-20 times per day. Initially I never registered, but one day I saw a notice that registration was free. I immediately registered. Things were "moving" on live feeds, I was busy watching on realplayer and chatting with many new found friends. I did not have time to post on this site, because believe it or not, I also have a real life! Eventually BB was winding down. I spotted a notice for TheGame. I read the particulars and thought great! I am a loyal supporter of the site, I forwarded hundreds of people here, I would like to apply. When I went to apply I had forgot my password. I tried and tried, (I believe whoever keeps track of these issues could verify it). I was getting worried, the deadline for applications was approaching. Finally, I emailed the Host or someone called Ryn, I can't recall. We finally fixed my dilema. Great, I sent in my application. I kept checking back to see the other applications. I spotted very many familiar names that I had seen doing the transcribing. i.e. lancecrossfire, snave, tukuul, kearie, dilligaf. I wondered whether I'd be picked, because I had not posted on the boards because of my lost password. I felt I didn't have a chance because my User name had not been seen on the boards before. When the deadline past, I nervously went to see who had been chosen. I also saw a list of the rules for TheGame, which I immediately printed off and have kept at my computer for the past month. I reread the rules every chance I got. Regardless, I looked at the chosen. 5 Ladies 5 Gentleman. I left the site, I did not see my name. Something made me come back for some reason. I looked at the whole list this time, curious about who was picked and interested in rereading their applications. I was prepared to be an active outside participant. To my surprise and shock I saw Optics, under gentleman. My first reaction:. I laughed out loud. The second, I saw two of my friends online, we went to a private chat set up for BB watchers. I said THEY PICKED ME I can't believe it. (In those days i was ecstatic.) I also said but, they have me down as a man. My friends laughed and for the following reason. Every since I've been online, people in chats have an automatic assumption by looking at my screen name that I am a man. Vykin = must mean viking (warrior), Erdyn - not known gender neutral, Optics - unsure perhaps refers to eye glasses. This stigmatism has followed me from day one. A long time ago it became advantage for me as I realized the need for full privacy protection from stalkers, perverts etc. online. All my online friends know this, if any of you people feel again you need your friggin evidence you can request it via the Host, I have no intention of giving out any more access to my online friends or myself after this full account. I have also found my privacy which I opened a door on in TheGame has been completely shattered. So I will also be finding a new screen identity. Because as it stands, two of my friends have suddenly had their online access passwords stolen, and I as well have encountered a similar problem. I told my friends at the time, I need to email the Host and tell that I am not a man. I was told to read the rules and see what they said. There was nothing about gender balance. I was ALSO told, Erdyn , you don't know who the other people are: i.e there was a psychic/sex phone operator, etc. You also don't know erdyn whether those listed are woman as they say or men as they say. This is a Game - don't ever forget or lose sight of that. They too may have a hidden cover. THAT PERHAPS IS THE MISTAKE I MADE AND THE ONLY MISTAKE I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE. If I had known where this would get me 30 days later. I never would have ever put my application forward. NEVER SUFFERED THE MALICIOUS ABUSE I HAVE RECEIVED. So, I did not tell the HOST, only my friends knew I was a woman. I also said many times to my online friends, I cannot and will not lie in that game. That is where I will draw the line! (It's All Optics is my favorite quote, and I've used it long before the inkling of a reality show was more than a fleeting idea). Having been used to protecting myself in chatrooms as being a woman for years. It was not too difficult to have a conversation in the House and not make reference to my gender. I entered TheGame, more excited than I've been for a long time. In fact I had emailed a few of the players who listed their email addresses as an opener to myself wishing us all good luck! (little did I know this attempt wud later become one of the issues of suspicion of me). I really felt I could contribute alot, I have a sense of humor, I am intelligent, I've had fortunate experience, I have faith and spirituality. All the elements that I have shared in the house. I knew the outside viewers would not be bored. I was still so honored by the reality of being picked as a player. I was also, an unknown entity, I knew I had to "prove myself" to my fellow housemates, because I knew they would wonder about me, having never posted on the boards. I made every effort, but kept running into brick walls. I had seen that Arreal and Ryder were aol members, I had put them on my BuddyList, one day I IMd Arreal as I was posting. I was trying to figure out how to use the clipart. Arreal responded with something else discussion about the players. Like a fool, I Imd back and forth with her, because I was up late many nights, she was, and it helped to pass time while one of my posts would load up. (Optics takes a deep breath, Judge Gator takes a bigger one) Judge, there is more, please let me continue Judge Gator, Continue, this is your day in court. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:46 pm  Perhaps when Optics is through masturbating on his thread then he might offer some information. I don't think Ryn is involved. And ArReal, ArReal ArReal....You've got to get a little emotional distance from the board. You should know by now that after the Talisker caper that all bets were off. Don't go stomp the same dancing ground again if it's hurting you. Can you imagine if you were on Big Brother? Just remember that you all played characters on The Game. Maybe they were characters based on real life or maybe pretend, but it WAS a game show, not a life show. By the same token, we all play characters on the board also by using pseudonyms. |
Bijoux | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:48 pm  Kaerie, If admin/Gail had anything to do with bashing/targeting players then you would have every reason to be angry and would not be whining. Personally, I would like it if the person who sent Adven the e-mail would step forward. Unless she/he steps forward I am having difficulty determing whether it was Vykin and friends purposely disrupting the Game or that person following their own agenda to disrupt the Game. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 04:55 pm  Well, it makes more sense then. Optics still doesn't sound like a woman... but I won't try to analyze that one. We've been watching a cat fight without even realizing it. I thought it was strange that a grown man would care so much about what ArReal was doing. I just pegged it to immaturity on Vyk's part; I guess now it can be seen as just some kind of female competition for . . . . well, who knows what. We all know what a female vykin is: Brunhilde. |
Lafatme | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:07 pm  i agree oc, i never could understand what kind of man would keep bashing a woman like that. you thought immature, i thought arrogant and self centered. at least now that part is understandable. that's a start. |
Optics | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:08 pm  Judge Gator takes a washroom break and re-enters the Court Room. Optics takes the witness stand and continues: Judge Gator: Optics - what happened between you, Arreal and Talisker? Judge, one evening, my Canadian Thanksgiving, I was posting a lot. By this point, Arreal was almost becoming a pest. She constantly IMd me, while I was posting. It was slowing down my posts. I was polite and courteous to her. She would talk about her illnesses, frankly I wasn't interested. I began encouraging her to go post in a particular topic folder, or create a new folder. Anything to get her off my back. Unfortunately, I had a new upgrade of AOL and new computer, I did not know I could go to my buddylist and BLOCK someone from IMing me. I talked to Talisker may once or twice before, briefly asking some direction on posting whether I had to click the button twice or not. Short sweet to the point. On Thanksgiving, Ryder IMd me, she asked if I knew Rogers email address. She explained she was trying to get a hold of him with an important message. I replied, I did not have it (she said she asked me cuz she had received an email before the game from me - the good luck to us all one -.) At that point, Arreal IMd me, she was going on about something, I asked her if she could again explain how to use clipart, she didn't respond, I think we were close to nominations and she was asking me who I was nominating. I did not indicate who, while she did. Meantime I respond back to Tali, "Arreal is on IM with me right now, maybe she knows". Ims went back and forth, it was crazy I was really getting annoyed. I wanted to post to the boards. Talisker suggested we 3 go to a private chat room - ONLY BECAUSE IT IS EASIER to converse rather than thru IMs. I went though hesitant. Gator, as soon as we entered the room, Tali began talking with Arreal, initially just chat that showed me they had a former "connection" via BBFC. I thought they both had been moderators. If I recall correctly, Tali first asked Arreal for Rogers email, then Tali expressed her frustration with not being able to get a hold of Roger because the Host was trying to email him. Arreal said she didn't know. Then Tali asked if we could keep something in confidence. My red flags went up. But if someone asks me to keep a confidence, I do, as long as it is not something lifethreatening to someone else. I promised I would. Arreal started babbling what what what tali?. I am now thinking - what the hell have I stepped into. Tali then revealed her role in the game. I told her I don't know the people at this site, I don't know the HOST, i'm not going to question their decisions. I said, it does not influence, the way I play the game, and I would comply. I made excuses and got the hell out of the room. I thought (Oh man what have I gotten into). Judge Gator, I would like to take a brief break and submit to you a transcript of the private chat log which Arreal apparently logged and emailed to me. I saved it, for my own protection if anything. I submit the "evidence" to you as a verification, that everything Tali said when Arreal outted her is absolutely true. Tali/Gail with whom I've communicated since after I left the house, has given me her permission. Judge, after I post the Log, I will further continue explaining my side to you. Judge Gator takes a deep breath and looks at his watch, he looks at Optics and says: "This is a long explanation, but this is your day in court and it is your right and fiduciary responsibility to explain the whole truth and nothing but the truth" Optics replies, Thank you Judge. and prepares to continue once the Judge reviews the chat log |
Tukuul | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:10 pm  Exposed?! Give the man some clothes then. Hey Vyk! |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:15 pm  Vyk is Broomhilda now. |
Optics | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:18 pm  Judge Gator: I submit to you the following evidence. ubj: our IM conversation... Date: 10/9/00 12:35:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: Alyssum4u To: Erdyn RyderTVCH: Where did you go?? Alyssum4u: I thot you had to get back? RyderTVCH: NO, that was Erdyn that had to leave. I am just hanging out. . RyderTVCH: Neil really threw me when he made us get new names. Took me a week to get used to Ryder - the whole sleezy personal and then he made me get a new identity. Still not used to the new name Alyssum4u: I feel like this whole thing was some sort of trap for me and Vyk RyderTVCH: NO, don't think that. I was really wanting to chat with some of the players tonight as a player. When Vyk invited you, just couldn't help fessing up. Alyssum4u: It isn't making sense to me is all. RyderTVCH: None ot the others know. In fact, only Neil and Lisa know Alyssum4u: You could have spoke to us w/o revealing that you are Gail. RyderTVCH: None of the moderators know the real idenities of the game players. They wanted to play the game to. RyderTVCH: I'm sorry . . I am playing the game just like you are, really, I am. I am only a moderator right now for taking care of the user accounts - very behind the scenes. Alyssum4u: I would like to see you talk to Neil and let him know that you told us...me and Vyk. Then have him e-mail me saying things are okay. RyderTVCH: If I do that, neil will have me out of the game. I am not sure I understand why you are upset at me. I am feeling really terrible. I was feeling left out of things and when I started talking to erdyn felt like I was having a friend. RyderTVCH: Was happy wehn he invited you because I like you on the board and all the teasing . . RyderTVCH: My Ryder account is disabled just like your Kearie accoutn is disabled. I can't even email Roger to tell him his email doesn't work. Can't find anyway to talk to him - just like the other players. Alyssum4u: Then can we move forward and forget this. ??? RyderTVCH: yes I would like to forget this. Please?? RyderTVCH: I can tell you honestly, I have no inside information Alyssum4u: okay....Roger is Lance though I thought you like someone else. RyderTVCH: I know Roger is Lance - I do like someone else. :o) Alyssum4u: but Gail can go out there and read the discussion boards on the house cant she? RyderTVCH: Thought Roger was nice guy wanted ot talk to him. I can but I don't. No point in reading the board.s Don't have time. RyderTVCH: I think anyone who really wanted to could read boards. Alyssum4u: I certainly wouldn't. RyderTVCH: I am logged on all the time as talisker so I don't see anything else that comes up. Alyssum4u: huh? RyderTVCH: I can't see any of the board as talisker - just the game area. Alyssum4u: but you vcan use Gail to see anything. correct? RyderTVCH: I can but I don't Alyssum4u: okay. :-) RyderTVCH: I am only using "Gail " to fix passwords and approve accounts. RyderTVCH: REally!! Alyssum4u: okay, I believe you. RyderTVCH: I do go to the moderator area to make suggestions. Like there were so many rooms Firday night, we were getting lost. I asked for cleanup RyderTVCH: Trust me, I am playing the same as everyone else. I was terrified Friday night! Was scary for me too RyderTVCH: Neil and Lisa needed someone inside to let them get a feel for what it is like. Judge Gator: Thank you Optics, please continue. |
Optics | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:29 pm  Optics continues: Well Judge after this point, I consider the situation, not mine to deal with, I made a promise to keep a confidence, I wasn't going to betray it. However, I got one more IM from Tali, while Arreal kept bombarding me with IMs about her obsession with Tali's role, I consistently and clearly told Arreal, it does not influence my playing the game, I am NOT GOING TO QUESTION THE HOSTS MOTIVES. End of STory. Arreal kept badgering me, she said she is nominating Tali because the Host is not listening to her (Arreal has posted in one of the house folders the email exchange she had with Host). Tali only IMd me once more after that chat, it seemed the HOST had contacted Tali angry with what she had told us. Tali asked me to email the Host and express my point of view in confidence. I complied. I did not share the contents of my email to the HOST, but Judge Gator, as further evidence to corroborate my explaination, I submit to you a copy of the email I sent to the HOST - you can verify it with him. Subj: Talis/Arreal - Confidential Date: 10/9/00 To: neil@enbcom.com gonna keep this short and sweet: somehow i was dragged into this conflict. My opinion, let it play it self out naturally, I'm treating everyone as a game player on equal footing. Don't pull anyone for the wrong reasons. People are really loving the game, it would most likely reflect badly on you. AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB! Just let things develop naturally. Remember you are the Big H, you can do whatever you please, and if u put tali in, I'm not gonna question that. So, on liter note, take a valium on this one. I don't think arreal would want to see the game ended because of talis exposure cuz it seems to me she's enjoying the posts. Now I will not communicate in isolation on any matters again. I'm here to play the game. Judge this was the email I sent the Host, I believe I sent one more which said, I do not wish the host to respond back to me, its not my issue to resolve. Judge, I would like a quick bathroom visit and then if you allow me, I will continue. Judge Gator responds permission granted. |
Lafatme | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:32 pm  i'd like to point out there was no "goodbyes" at the end of the im record. where's the rest? |
Lafatme | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:38 pm  also, optics swore to "tell the whole truth" why is this "evidence" only AFTER erdyn left? has erdyn's part been mysteriously "lost"? |
Kearie | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:45 pm  Optics....if you have the TIME you sent that letter to Host I would greatly appreciate knowing what time it was. It is sounding a lot like Host knew what I was talking about when I sent him the letters question Gail/and the mole theory. My letters are all in the discussion archives under Tali Speaks Out. The time would be great to know. I would really like to know if HOST knew what I was talking about when they sent me this letter.ubj: Re: mole Date: 10/9/00 1:54:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: host@enbcom.com (Host) To: Fantasia4Me@aol.com Kearie, The idea of you being a 'Mole' in the game was thrown out a while ago. We emailed you about it. We don't know what you are talking about now. What secret? Are you logging into the discussion board under another name and reading all the stuff? If you are, that is against the rules and you could disqualified. If you are, there was a misunderstanding, please refrain from that activity or we'll kick you out of the game! I thought it was clear that the 'mole' idea was not going to be pursued. Whatever secret you have, maybe it outta stay as a secret. I don't know. |
Dilligaf | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:55 pm  Vykin you are a woman? Do you realize you are accepting the $200 grand prize for being a fraud? If Host knew you were a woman from the start, you might not have been chosen as one of the 5 women in the first place. None of these revelations change the game but it has certainly changed my opinion of you. I trusted you...and you have betrayed that trust. I for one have nothing else to say to you. Enjoy your CD burner....hope you sleep well at night. |
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