Archive through October 11, 2000

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Nikkid

Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 08:13 pm Click here to edit this post
What part of "no talking about the game" do you guys not understand? We all know that there is supposed to be no outside contact. But nooooo... everybody had to feed them.

Norquamada(whatever) what the hell were you doing? Does it make you proud to pick on the most defensless one there? WTF was that all about? I bet you go around kicking puppies too. You are the only person I have gone on to attack personally, but my god you deserve it!

Sara

Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 08:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Nikkid, you are so right about everything you said. The rules beforehand were so clear. I don't get how this all happened. It was like everyone gave out information on purpose or something.

Norequerdo, there was no call for what you did. First of all, you should have left, and re-signed in as yourself, instead of staying as Guest for an hour. With 35 people in a chat room, there's no way anyone could remember who you are.

As far as going after one particular BG, why? Did it make you feel better to try and "nail" someone for being honest and open? That was pure mean.

You've really surprized me. From my past interactions with you, I never would have thought you would do something like that.

Sbw

Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 08:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Nikkid I think you said it all and the name was "norquerdo" to be correct AKA Guest in the chat.

Streetjaie

Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 08:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Nikkid, you are so right. You said it ALL!!! Many of us feel the same way!! :)

Digilady

Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 09:51 pm Click here to edit this post
You go, Nik. ArReal is well-loved. We just wish she was back here with us!

MOST of us are caring people, out here.

Some simply take up space... Norquerdo, Torqemada, whatever your name is.

Wcv63

Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 09:57 pm Click here to edit this post
What happened? Could someone take a minute to just hit the highlights?

Riviere76

Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 10:08 pm Click here to edit this post
I didn't make the chat, knowing it'd be crowded & boggy but still msgs whizzing by too fast to keep up. Gather someone was spilling outside info to the GPs?? Just read their Hot Tub post chat talk, and nobody mentioned much about it. Arreal ref'd that watchers called them 'not real' but it didn't seem to bother the GPs enough to get into. Actually, they missed a lot due to the crowd, and someone (Talisker?) wished only the GPs could chat & hang out together. Whatever was said, it doesn't seem to have made an impression on them, not a bad one anyway. Just like the BB players, the GPs have learned to not worry, take outside news with a grain of salt.

Digilady

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 12:19 am Click here to edit this post
WC: what we are objecting to was a NASTY crack by Torquemada. Well-known that ArReal has multiple personality disorder, and is attempting to work at an old folk's home. Which is more than MOST damn folks do.

Torquemada said something to the effect: "I wouldn't want MY grandmother cared for by you."

A sh1t thing to say to someone.

Lafatme

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 01:18 am Click here to edit this post
i had a rehearsal tonite and couldn't make the chat. i'm really sorry to hear about the incident you've described here, it's uncalled for.

this person, who is evedentally new to the board, seems to have come over from BBblows or some other such "bashing" board. i've read a few of the post made by the unpronouncible name and it saddens me that people like that have come here.

arreal is a sweet person who i have recently come to know and admire a lot. she never has a bad word for others and treats everyone with respect. it's possible to disagree with a person's opinion, or actions, without slamming the person. in short, it's not cool. nuff said.

Norequerdo

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 03:38 am Click here to edit this post
first of all I did sign out and sign back in as norequerdo if you had paid attention. And what did I do that was so bad???? All I did was ask questions. I asked whether she too would have reservations about someone who had multiple disorders taking care of her grandmother. I asked about her other personalities (one of which is an angry teenager) which may have contributed to her termination. I also told her that she should have been offered an administrative position and suggested that she take action under the ADA. She asked me what the ADA is and I told her. S he then told me that her doctor wanted her to stop working so it wasn't all bad. So if someone could explain what I said that was so unfeeling. You all can sit and post what you want about people on these boards, at least I dont have a problem asking my questions to someone's face instead of slinking about behind their backs. Give me one example of how I was cruel. As I recall someone was logging the chat so please post my cruel questions.

Riviere76

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 04:20 am Click here to edit this post
The more I read, the more I feel sorry for all of us in ways. Immaturity never ends, but sometimes people grow up.? Sometimes without help we needed but we got there alone. My motto is, never trust anyone under 30, and turns out right for me. You can do as your life tells you paths to follow & guess what, your decisions make the person you are. Someday everybody grows up, becoming more Cassandra than Jordan so to speak, that's life..

Norequerdo

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 04:25 am Click here to edit this post
Furthermore, I admit I am new to all of this and if this was a closed club it should have been mentioned that only people with nice sympathetic viewpoints are acceptable.

The fact is I raised the question in the boards about Areal stating that she was fired for missing ten days of work due to depression. I wanted to find out more. For all of you to sit here and tell me that if your grandmother was in a nursing home and you found out that her caregiver had a multiple personality disorder, one of which was an angry teenager; you would all be happy with that. None of you would question the adminstration of the nursing home. That is a bunch of crap. half of you would probably be suing the nursing home.

I believe, and I could be mistaken, that what I did was to say to Areal that wouldn't she have a problem if it was her grandmother in a nursing home given the same situation. And as I recall she said yes she understood. I was not being mean but merely following up on her post about her being fired.

I think it is a lot worse for all of you to say to her oh you poor victim, you are so right, rather than say hey, think about the situation. Any responsible nursing home would have done the same thing.

Adven39

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 04:39 am Click here to edit this post
Norequerdo, I wasn't in the chat room when this incident happened, but I have read your other posts and everything about you suggests a need to draw attention to yourself at the expense of others. You have made your feelings about Arreal quite clear, so I have no doubt you went into the chat room to be nasty and confrontational. If someone like Arreal does have a personality or emotional disorder, it's possible that she is in a fairly vulnerable state right now. Why don't you grab yourself firmly by the shoulders, pull your head out of your ass and try and see the larger picture.

Misslibra

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 05:33 am Click here to edit this post
Well since you guys brought up her personality disorder, I'm curious is it true that she has this disorder in real life, or is it just that her character ARreal has this disorder. I'm still trying to figure out, what is real and what is role playing ... anyone know ?
I don't know ARreal but she seems like a sweet person, and I like her. But are we going to have to walk on eggshells with her ? If this is the case should she be playing the game ? Neil did remind everyone feeling might get hurt.(but her feelings did not appear to be hurt)
I'm not taking anyones side here. But after reading what the Board Guess said after the chat, no one seemed upset by anything anyone said.
I haven't read any of Noreq postings so maybe I'm missing something ??
We are all here to enjoy the game, lets try to do that without getting so upset PLEASE !! It's no fun if everyone starts flaming everyone because you disagree with something someone saids. Noreq if your new to the club welcome ! :) But I hope your a friend to the club, and not a trouble. maker.

Adven39

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 06:21 am Click here to edit this post
Misslibra, I wasn't there, as I mentioned, but the first five posters on this thread were and they all have the same take on the incident. Norequerdo went into the chat room to be juvenile and is now trying to put a more acceptable spin on his intentions.
I don't see any reason to walk on egg shells in regard to Arreal. She can take care of herself, I'm sure. On the other hand, her openness about her history leaves her vulnerable to disparaging or ignorant questions and comments. Why anyone would feel the need to take advantage of that opportunity is difficult to understand. She has many friends on this board and they are going to react when someone is mean or disrespectful, particularly on something so sensitive as her personality and emotional problems.

Ocean_Islands

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 06:39 am Click here to edit this post
One of the problems is that a person with a multiple personality disorder should not have been selected to play the game.

They demand too much attention and require above and beyond what other people do. They are not conducive, on the average, to groups.

If you notice, with all due respect to ArReal, that she talks almost exclusively about her difficulties and her diagnosis.

I would like to see her be more involved with other people and be less the center of attention. This is the challenge that multiples face.

In case you're wondering, I've had interactions with multiple personalities before, in person, so I'm not just speaking off the cuff.

Adven39

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 07:00 am Click here to edit this post
I agree with much of what you said, Ocean. Someone that open about such a sensitive aspect of her personal history should not have been selected for a game like this. Unfortunately, she was and how we, collectively, react to this openness will say a lot about us as people.

Wcv63

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 07:36 am Click here to edit this post
I won't even pretend to understand the difficulties and challenges someone with multiple personalities faces. I don't know enough about the disorder to speak intelligently about the subject. However, I'm sure that since Arreal has lived with this disorder for a long time she is capable of making informed decisions regarding her participation in certain events i.e. The Game. There is more to Arreal than just her emotional and mental problems . And I believe that I can learn from her.

I wasn't in the chat and therefore will not make any comment about what happened there. Does anyone know if someone captured the chat for posting purposes?

Jenhavins

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 08:14 am Click here to edit this post
The chat was captured and will be posted I believe later on. When I left, chat that had been captured was at least 54 pages plus. Chat was going so fast, that I couldn't read all of it! I think I only brought up 2 questions, and I am now sorry that I did. But I thought they were harmless. One was if they were keeping it real (as far as personalities go), and the other was just a general reference...just the setup of the virtual house was difficult to get into every nook and cranny.

Other than that, I was enjoying the yapping and Ocean popping in and out as George and Cass! That, for me was the best entertainment (wish all the hg's would have visited).

Azriel1104

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 08:54 am Click here to edit this post
I wasn't at the chat, but I think you are being a little harsh with Nor. Arreal has openly discussed her illness on the board. I think you all worry too much about her being fragile. She would probably laugh at you all for getting so upset with Nor.

It doesn't sound like she took offense to Nor's questions. Maybe Nor, told her something that she hadn't thought about and actually helped her.

Nor is new to the board, but I've read her posts on the board and I've talked to her in member chat. She is not some rude troll.

Wcv63

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 09:48 am Click here to edit this post
Upon reading the GP discussion (Virtual House, Outside) about the chat it seems Arreal didn't take offense to Nor's questions (or at least she didn't mention it). Seems to me that the only thing bothering Arreal about the chat was that people (She specifically mentions a poster named Muzzy and says she doesn't recall any prior interaction with Muzzy) regarding whether they were being "real"; whether her illness was real, whether role playing was involved.

Therefore it seems to me that Arreal welcomes questions about her illness and takes no offense as she considers it a chance to educate. IMHO

Digilady

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 10:55 am Click here to edit this post
More educated minds have their eye on the A. issue. Concensus was that being in the game isn't a great idea, gawwd love her.

Yes she can handle herself - to an extent. As any of us would, she could have a bad reaction to gratuitous insults - taking care of the grandmother thing.

If you =know= it's down, why the f*ck kick it? Nor was fully aware. She was in chat when we discussed this in DETAIL. And still tossed that remark out there.

Sometimes, "letting it all hang out" and "welcoming questions about illness" are not healthful signs, we have learned. As would anyone else who went to the trouble to inform themselves on a professional level.

Please, people, be careful. We're playing with fire.

Feel free to email me for details, =IF= you really want to help. For a clue:

http://www.geocities.com/arrealwemissyou/

NOTE: This is not a Banish ArReal site at all. We just miss her and wish she would take herself out of the game.

HOST: feel free to delete this post (possibly whole thread) before ArReal comes out. Would be best.

Wcv63

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 11:12 am Click here to edit this post
I bow to your take your take on the situation Digilady. And you're right, I didn't take the time to educate myself on the professional level. I was simply pointing out my own observations based on the limited bit of knowledge I have available to me. I agree that kicking people when they are down is (or kicking people at all for that matter) is unacceptable.

Norequerdo

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 11:58 am Click here to edit this post
I have read all the posts and will not comment further as I think it has been pretty much beaten to death. My final comment is that people have attributed my comments to meanspiritedness and that was not the intention. I would ask all of you who were in the chat room last night, why nobody, absolutely nobody at the time inside or outside the game took exception in the chatroom to what I said. If anyone had told me I was out of line I would have apologized since it was not my intent to offend or insult Areal. I am more than willing to state in a Banner that I apologize if I in anyway offended her. But the big question is why did nobody stand when I had the exchange with Areal. She was extremely pleasant with me and gracious. And that is about it. As an aside, she is probably the last person I would vote to banish and I think she has every right to be in the game and dont see anything inappropriate with her being in the game. I think she would take more offense at people making comments in boards about her suitability to be in the game than what I actually said and said to her face. Anyway if people feel I should apologize in an banner let me know and I will be happy to do it .

Norequerdo

Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 12:02 pm Click here to edit this post
I have read all the posts and offer my final comments as followed. People have attributed my comments to meanspiritedness and that was not the intention. I would ask all of you who were in the chat room last night, why nobody, absolutely nobody at the time inside or outside the game took exception at the time to what I said. If anyone had told me I was out of line I would have apologized since it was not my intent to offend or insult Areal. I am more than willing to state in a Banner that I apologize if I in anyway offended her. But the big question is why did nobody stand when I had the exchange with Areal. She was extremely pleasant with me and gracious.

As an aside, she is probably the last person I would vote to banish and I think she has every right to be in the game and dont see anything inappropriate with her being in the game. I think she adds value and I find her posts interesting. I think she would take more offense at people making comments in boards about her suitability to be in the game than what I actually said and said to her face. Anyway if people feel I should apologize in an banner let me know and I will be happy to do it .