Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:44 pm  okay, looks like arreal, moon, I and whoever else want another intellectual discussion. So here goes. Say what you will. |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:46 pm  ummm, errr, I don't know...ask away. |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:51 pm  It was your Idea Vykin ... what's on your mind? ... it's a broad subject! |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:53 pm  How you doing tonight Moon. |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:53 pm  arreal in livingroom you said you've had some experiences with homosexuality, would you mind sharing with us? |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:55 pm  What do you want to know. I don't have much experience, but I might be able to answer a few questions that you have about it. |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:59 pm  Hi Arreal! |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:00 pm  It seems arreal you are "dancing around the internet camera pole". You said you had some experience, are you gay? |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:00 pm  How are you Moon. (((Moon)) |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:05 pm  No I am not. Only men are gay, homosexual women are called lesbians. |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:13 pm  Okay, I can't believe, you have all crawled back into the closet on this issue. So I'm just going to go ahead and speak my mind. (note to myself: God of all the 9 other people in the world you had to put me with timid mice that scurry away at the sight of controversial topics!, God, especially Arreal, looks like when you issued brains she chose the homophobic trains and headed for only God knows where!!) I believe persons who deem themselves to be homosexual do so because they were born that way and not because its a "learned thing" |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:14 pm  We are being shy ... was there a topic or ? you wanted to cover Vykin? |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:16 pm  Arreal: for your information Webster says the following: Homosexual: Sexual attraction toward those of the same sex. That applies to any sex not just men |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:17 pm  I agree... who would ever choose to have a difficult time with the haters |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:18 pm  lol...I am most certainly not homophobic. Funny you should think that. Anyway. My ex-husband told me, (I drug it out of him) that he was having affairs with two other men. This was 5 months into the marriage. So I have a few opinions on the subject. |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:18 pm  I agree with being born that way my computer is slow tonite |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:20 pm  The individual I was married to would disagree with that actually. He would say it was learned behavior and was societal influence. |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:23 pm  Then he would not be a homosexual just someone who dabled? |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:25 pm  Arreal, how did he see it as a learned behavior and societal influence? Or was he trying to cover it up in that manner? |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:26 pm  After we were divorced he called himself gay and found himself a male partner. They 'got married' He married me because it was what his family expected him to do. It was the right thing. |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:29 pm  I really would love Luke to be here and hear his opinions! |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:31 pm  boy, you're asking for a whole lot of history here. He was born into a family with four older sisters and one younger brother. He always liked hanging out with his mother and sisters. He grew up loving cooking, sewing, gardening and things that are often seen as 'womens' interests. His father was an electrician by the week and a stern, Pentacostal Preacher week-ends. His father often told them that he didn't get out of the kitchen and away from the girls he would end up gay. more..... |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:35 pm  Sex education was taught to him, by his father pointing to rabbits going at it and saying that was sex. His dad also warned Eddie (honest, that is his real name) that if he ever allowed a girl to sit on his lap that he would get her pregnant. Talk about a parent making an impression on a young boy. He was scared to death of girls. Eddie was a virgin until we were engaged. He was the second man I was with. |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:36 pm  I think it is sad when the self-righteous society, shuns gay people. Personally, it does not matter to me what an individual's sexual preference is. It unnerves me when groups try to ban gay people from living a normal life. Some hetrosexuals, assume that our lifestyles are "normal" by definition, it seems judgemental to then think the lifestyle of a homosexual is "abnormal". Arreal in your case, perhaps if your ex-husband had not been brought up with the expectations of his parents to marry a female, he would have been a happier person at a younger age, and you wouldn't feel you were betrayed. |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:40 pm  He would never tell a soul that he was afraid of women, but it was a major issue for him growing up. He married me to do what he was supposed to do, but a part of him was horrified by it. We got married in December and by the following May he told me about his numerous deeds of infidelity. Actually, he wrote me a letter. Gosh this is going to make me cry. I can just picture the pain on his face as he handed me that letter. He was so ashamed and so scared. |