Archive through October 30, 2000

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Vykin

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:29 pm Click here to edit this post
Roger, honestly, in so many ways, I was glad today was quiet, calm. I think the last banishment votes hit all of us hard once the voting started. Banners flying etc. Friday turned into "hellday" or "hellnight". I think we were all nervous, I know I was. Of course then the chat is put off till the morning. We know the polls have closed. Luke was missing on our last night. Then Saturday morning at 7:30am finding out there is a re-vote and voting irregularities, was just another delay which turned into conflict for the rest of the day.
Then late night banishment. Its been stressful.

I felt hurt, when I tried to tell Moon that I didn't hold her responsible, when she told about the email. But for some reason, she seemed angry at me. I left the challenge, because I thought, this converse wud continue, and I didn't need anymore of it. It was better for me to leave and relax myself by going and just posting funny stuff. To try settle my brain and stomach down.

Roger_Ramjet

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:34 pm Click here to edit this post
Sounds good Vyk--I'll keep going. Thanks for the information about yourself. It is interesting to be able to put the way a person looks to what they say. I would have answered that question sooner if anyone would have asked!

I think you did a good job of indicating how to recognize you if I were to see you.

Vykin

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:35 pm Click here to edit this post
sorry rog i know i didn't answer ur question. I shud explain how my mind works. When asked a question I take in "mentally" the culminating days prior to tomorrow, to put into perspective for myself how I really feel about tomorrow.

I look forward to tomorrow, with some anticipation that this will be over. But excited about reading all the outside posts. Even the bad ones about me or any of us. I think tomorrow will be a bit quiet also. I may attack the folders because its the "last chance cafe". Not in terms of proving myself. But the actual act of posting while restricted. Almost as an inadvertent "GoodBye" to this "house". I imagine I will post some "reflective" thoughts on the past month.
When it approaches the Final Hour, I think I will be nervous, my heart will pound or race or do both at the same time! Its that final Moment we will be waiting for - and then Just like that! it will be over.
How about you Roger??

Vykin

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Roger I meant it when I said, I would continue to enjoy having chats with you after this is over. I think we've all made some great friends. I did want to clarify something in the other post. At the end I said: "I left the challenge, because I thought, this converse wud continue, and I didn't need anymore of it." I should have also added: and I didn't think you and himays needed to see it continue. Moon and I wud just have gone back and forth. It was better for u guys to be stress free, also.

Roger_Ramjet

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:42 pm Click here to edit this post
I agree today was quite compared to how it has been lately. As many stresses as I've been throgh over the past month, I have to say that last challenge out did them all for me!! LOL

I tried to pat attention to the ups and downs--I didn'y see any real pattern, other than they did all happen a few times---for me a lot more good minutes than sad minutes.

It's different when you aren't dealling with someone face to face....I think being able to do that would make things easier--at least for me.

Vykin

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:48 pm Click here to edit this post
Well Himays may be sorry she asked us the questions!!! LOL she'll be spending all day reading our responses!

I just want to say a quick thing about my humor/serious posts. I try to "balance" myself in my real life and on here. Its probably viewed different in this virtual world sometimes. Thus the earlier speculations that I may be "two people". I find that I almost "take turns" if something serious happens in my life, I need to have some humor go with it. Otherwise too much serious or too much humor, would not be healthy.
Some people balance themselves by reading jokes. i.e. look at all the posts at Improv. I associate humor to the wonderful funny people I've met in life. We all have done that. Why I run into people with silly life stories? I have no idea! So I share them. Sometimes people laugh, sometimes they don't. One thing I didn't mention here in the past month is. I can write well. (In here its been hard cuz ur trying to type quick enough to post something so I'm not being very grammmatical). I love writing, one of the things I do write and have lots of is poetry.
I have probably over 300 poems I've written in my life.

Roger_Ramjet

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:51 pm Click here to edit this post
I will be like you Vyk--reflective between now and 6:00. I was usually reflective of something most every day--my normal mode for myself--go figure.

Today I've been reflective of the whole process and everyone involved. Today, for the first time. I've though of the people outside for a longer period than just a fleeting moment. Not because of the voting they will do though...because of the part they have ion this..wondering if they got into it at all, if they had thoughts one way or another. If they gad any clear favorites, and of so why.

Thought a lot about Neil and Lisa. How Neil took a hobby and turned it into something thousands he's let share this thing with BB, us, and now other shows.

Yep, I've felt VERY reflective. Also felt very special in the fact that I've gotten to know some awesome people in here!!!!

Vyk, you can count on me wanting to continue our chats!!!!!! I'll be writing you, looking forward to excellent dialogues, not monlogues. I think we will have many great conversations.

Vykin

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:52 pm Click here to edit this post
yes, rog regarding face to face, it would be so much easier. In here we have to take our thoughts, and translate them into words on a message board. Much more difficult. I knew it would be time-consuming. And it was twice that!
But agree, I think this has been one of the best experiences I've had. It certainly has made me stop and think about many things! I surprised myself when I would post really serious things from my life. I realized I've nevered shared some of them in written form. They were always thoughts in my head. i.e. my father passing away etc.. the discussion u, Luke and I had about religious beliefs

Roger_Ramjet

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:57 pm Click here to edit this post
Vyk, I can tell that you write well. There isn't any question about that, especially in the serious and reflectinve posts you have.

300 poems! Wow, that is amazing. I am in awe of people who are creative in any way. I see it as a special thing to have. When not at work, I write what my mind comes up with...without relation to gammar--well, a little. It helps me to get my thoughts out. Realizing I sometimes cause confusion, although over all it ends up being worth it.

I thin most of the people that were in here had a big creative streak---you, Luke, May, Moon, Xenia, Mantsatic, Arreal. I don't know about Gail or Zeb--didn't get far enough with them or the right direction to be able to tell.

Vykin

Sunday, October 29, 2000 - 11:58 pm Click here to edit this post
I recall when this site first began - discovering it thru a link. Then how it became such a popular site, more for BB transcripts. NO other site compared to this. At that time I sent an email to Ryn saying what a great site it is.
Who thought 4 months later, we'd be here doing what we're doing.
I wonder too about the outside viewers, when I come in our area, I see they are posting cuz of the numbers. So someone must be posting out there. I also wonder what they are doing today, what they may have been expecting from the 3 of us in here. Then I think after Friday and yesterday, they must be as tired as we are with the revoting, etc. especially if it was done the way the BBFC voting polls used to be. You know - you log in, you vote, get results etc. Is it as quiet out there today as it was in here?

But Roger in the beginning I posted somewhere, If the numbers continue in postings TheGame will surpass the posts during BigBrother. and its close to 20,000 posts if you add the outside board and our playroom board posts together

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:02 am Click here to edit this post
ROFLMAO did you see that Roger? We've just been Archived!!! We filled up a whole folder for Himays to read and this one is filling up fast too!

Actually roger, i do have a creative mind, and I have absolutely no idea why!!! I surprise myself more often than I surprise others! My mind works at such a fast pace at times. I can literally be thinking about 7 or 8 different things at the same time. I'd be scared if it stopped - cuz then I'd know the guys in the white jackets would be coming for me!

Roger was there perhaps some other things you wanted to talk about?

Roger_Ramjet

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:04 am Click here to edit this post
You bring up the point about being suprised at what you found yourself sharing....I was hoping for that coming in, knowing I would show all that was asked, and probably more than people wanted. LOL

I wonder what it was that allowed people to feel it was ok?? Was it being in a "room" all by ourselves (at least in our mind). Was it the way people responded to what we had to say? Was it that people really did care? Was it that we wanted to share to some degree, realized how well it worked, and it just snow-balled?? Or was it that we took one hell of a chance on 9 other people, going for broke, and we hit the jackpot??
Or some of all of it???? Who knows, as the answer might be a bit different for each of us!! lol

Here's that reflective thing going on!!

Roger_Ramjet

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:13 am Click here to edit this post
I'll address your last post in reverse order---not sure if I dd have anything specific to take about. I admit to being funny that way. I frequently go with the flow of things. The ltaer night chats were like that. Sometimes there was a topic that came up earlier that was covered--usually not though. Even when there was, it frequently moved to a different topic..kind of like the trickles of a stream.

You and I do the same thing---have a number of different topics in our mind at once. You are right about the guys with the white jackets...I think they are there right around the corner, waiting for me to stop processing things.


I like having information come in like that--to hear a few differnt things, think about them all at the same time, respond to them one rigt after the other....and then the neatest thing for me----to see if they can inner-relate in any way. To try and tie them together to make something bigger than the smaller components. Doesn't happen often with more than a couple, akthough when it does, I really love it!!!!

Do you ever have that happen?? I would guess that you do.

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:14 am Click here to edit this post
Roger : going for broke, and we hit the jackpot?

I think this was a way bigger jackpot than the real BigBrother. Whoever made the selections of the applicants - did a good job. They picked seemingly different personalities. I think one thing is certain - I DON'T THINK WE BORED THEM OUT THERE! No matter if there are only 5 people on the outside watching (which I doubt) For whatever reasons, I think this Game has been a success for the Host! It was a "first" online as far as I know. look at the hits on the site
82,777 That is in one month! That is not bad!

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:21 am Click here to edit this post
Yes Roger agree the little things, different things, I process in my mind into the overall big thing.
If I look at this game, the past month, all the minut things that have happned, which we may have currently forgot. I know they are there imbedded somewhere in my brain. They all contribute to the bigger picture of life. The game is a little thing - however, without doubt it is now part of the Bigger Picture of my overall Life. I said, before there are lessons to be learned in everything - I try to absorb it all - because in the end - it is part of what Makes Me! I know the greatest aspect of this game experience is that it has ENRICHED my life now and for future years to come.

Roger question: What will you do after this is over? What do you normally do online? Go to discussion forums, chat, etc.?

Roger_Ramjet

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:22 am Click here to edit this post
Vyk, you are so right about the numbers!!

I agree with you about the comparison to the real BB. I'd like to have seen the 10 of us put into the real BB setting!! I realize there are differences...although it is the people that make the show. I know I would have done late night conversations till the carted me off. Our group would have made BB a kick-butt show. We came up with our own things to talk about--we didn't have ask for a challenge to interact with each other.

And as you say, there are lots of posts outside--they've kept up with us. I noticed that the furthest we were ahead of them got to be about 1,200 hundred. They are now ahead of us by what, 900 hundered?? Lower number of people has affected our numbers, although they have kept a steady pace, it would seem?

I hope Neil and Lisa are feeling on tp of the world right now....this has been truly amazing!

Roger_Ramjet

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:29 am Click here to edit this post
Vyk, you asked about what I will do now and what I have normally done.

Well......up until BB, I never posted on anything. I lurked on a survivor board and another BB board, until finding this one. I immediately signedup, fell in love with the way things were done, and threw in my thoughts on BB. I didn't start watching Survivor till after they merged--did that by design. Just didn't interest me untill then. Of course it's a game, so, hook is fully set. That way with BB, although in a big part because of the human factor. No information that I was aware of for those conditions.

Next, I'll stay with TVClubHouse and read about 10,000 posts. I want to write back and ofrth with all of the BGs, and will interact with as many of the oustide folks that havea genuine interest in what happened. Looking forward to BB2 as well!

And you?????

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:37 am Click here to edit this post
Roger you hit it on the head when you said:
"We came up with our own things to talk about--we didn't have ask for a challenge to interact with each other."

That was the difference between us in this game and the BigBrother players. The one thing that aggravated me to no end was - THEY WERE ALL BRAINDEAD!!!, I could not believe 10 people locked in a house couldn't find anything interesting to talk about! Britt vascillated about her virginity and straddled the guys! Jamie lived in a fantasy world. But NEVER did they have an intelligent, intellectual or philosophical discussion - unless BigBrother gave them a topic. There are so many things they could have discussed, debated disagreed with, and NOTHING! The most boring group of people I ever watched.
And no arguments (with exception of Mega in the beginning). Look what happened here, and it certainly wasn't for show! The Arreal/Tali Vykin arguments. They were all Real! Regardless of the "mudslinging", we were human! Not tiptoeing around the issues. We fought like "cats and dogs". I'm not saying I enjoy that type of conflict because I don't! and I am sure Arreal probably feels the same - I don't think either one of us hasn't felt bad. But at the end of the day at least we were human! Arreal and me arguing I would take any day over "pretending to be goody goodies and being phoney".

In the end the Real World was able to cross the lines of the Virtual World and show there are humans sitting in front of computers at the other end and not Robots.

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:40 am Click here to edit this post
Funny I just had Survivor flash through my mind, if you watched it when Sue said those awful things to Kelly. I just want to say, that no matter how angry I got with Arreal or vice versa,
I have enough integrity that if Arreal was "dying in a desert from thirst and whatever, that I would not pass her by, I would stop and help her"
That for me is the difference between anger and hatred.

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:45 am Click here to edit this post
Definitely read all the posts as I've done on this side of the "house". Definitely continue to participate in some way on this site. I think u know by now I'm opinionated enough, that I'll find some post on here to respond to.

My real life I'm usually more busier in the early spring summer months. So I guess catch up with some friends, son will begin basketball shortly in school that keeps me busy 2-3 evenings a week. Its his graduation year, so there are many activities for the Grads the school has the parents involved in. Then Christmas will be here.
Of course I never disappear offline! lol

Roger_Ramjet

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:47 am Click here to edit this post
Vyk, I have to wonder how much the "system" set up BB for what they got instead of getting us.

I've aid it before in terms of me, although this analogy will be a stretch. For me it wasn't the important thing was to win the T-shirt--the important thing was the win.

BB gave 500K!! That was why people went on. Sure maybe they wanted the experience, although based on the way Cass and Jamie acted, what we saw was them, although by far not all of them!

They were there for the money. We went into it becuase we thought it would be a great game to play. I looked back at what our applications said, and what we put down was who we were in here!! Look at what George and Cass had in their interview tapes, then look what they gave us!!

No comparison!!

Can't say enough about them not being able to discuss anything on their own...they even asked ofr challenges....we supplied our own as well as what host provided.

No wonder so many folks were unhappy with BB. And as you so accurately said "at least we were human" how right you are!!!!!!!

I sure hope we get feedback when we go out--even if it's not good news in every case...good honest objective feedback.

Roger_Ramjet

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:55 am Click here to edit this post
Vyk---my take on Susan---pure greed/jealousy. All the things she said Kelly did---she did them as well along every part of the game. I have to wonder if Susan had been up there as 1 of 2 for 1M, and she had the chance to say anything she wanted to Kelly, do you think she would have even thought those things????

The things that Susan said she held important--a good work ethic--Kelly worked hard as well, and worked her bit off in challenges--work hard enough to win the last 5 straight immunity challenges. Another Susan ethic--honesty. Well, they both shot themselves somewhat by denying the UHA when asked straight out....although it was within the rules....I would have adnitted to it though. I would have taken "out play", out wit", and "out last" with the same approach as I've done in here.

If it wouldn't have worked, I wouldn't feel bad enough to blast someone like Susan did.

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:56 am Click here to edit this post
Yeah Host would give us Discussion Topics and then LOL we'd go off and set up 10 more!!!!

Vykin

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 01:00 am Click here to edit this post
Sue crossed the line when she said that. Personally I didn't care for Kelly either, but Sue lost all her credibility as a person by saying what she said.

Roger_Ramjet

Monday, October 30, 2000 - 01:02 am Click here to edit this post
set up 10 more----LOL!! And the great thing is that all of them got some level of attention. And all this with us having real lives to deal with. Geez, if we'd been in BB house, think of all the things we would have said you our discussin areas, plus probably making more!!

I wonder if they went with camera presence as the biggest factor with those folks?? A you said, they didn't show a lot of their brains...Curtis problably the most. I think Karen and Goerge could have offered a lot just from what they had been through. Karen had her agenda though, and George had his of trying to covince someone he should be hired for commercials. And he tried to make it all fun...not much attempt to be serious and contribute in that respect IMHO