Archive through October 13, 2000

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Vykin

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:46 am Click here to edit this post
Okay, late last night Arreal made reference to "secrets" etc. This escalated into 7 folders full of discussions and speculations about me. Rather than do a back and forth, I will clarify a few things in this folder so all could see.

1. Roger said: Arreal--I have huge respect for someone who can keep a secret--it should not matter who's it is. If you keep hers, I know you would keep mine, if I had one to share.
then u will understand that I don't
reveal confidences people have told
me especially if it doesn't influence
my opinion of them one way or the other.
If u scroll through the 7 folders u will
see arreal has chosen to share something
with everyone that she herself referred to
as a "secret". I'm not going to get into
a war in this game about arreal. I can
only speak for myself.

2. Arreal later said: I know Optics and Vykin are the same person....but on the outside, before the game...did we know either of them? How would Vyking/Optics get all our e-mail addresses? I mean how did Vyk have your e-mail address when no one else did????

Read My Lips People: I have been a constant
visitor to the BBFC because I got addicted
to BB just like everyone else. I discovered
Neil's? website early during those days, and
thought it was great for transcripts. I told
many people to access this site.

At one point I registered as a member, under
the name of Optics. I was glad to do so
because I wanted to post my opinions on BB
and possibly contribute to the transcripts.
(I have a fast typing, transcribing speed).
Unfortunately, AND THIS IS THE TRUTH, I
forgot my password. I tried at least 4
times to change it, but didn't have any
luck. By now BB was almost coming to
its last show. Finally I emailed Neil
and explained the problem, and it was
resolved. I was finally able to post.
I then sent in my application for this
Game, because it seemed interesting and
I had some free time. I was surprised
and excited to see when I was selected
to play. (if anyone wishes to confirm
my problem of accessing and posting on
site prior to this game, I'm sure the
website owner can confirm this) I am
not lying about that. (or anything in
this post). Now Arreal speculates how
i knew the email addresses prior to
entering the "playroom" and yes I sent
emails wishing us all good luck, but
not to everyone. The answer is simple.
I doubleclicked on the posters name
and some had email addresses and thats
how I knew the emails.

3. I AM NOT NEIL, Look, I know most of
the people in this game, are peeps who
were regular posters to BBFC. I know
you folks probably established some
friendships. My friendships come from
people I chatted w/about BigBrother in
the AOL chats, (I am a member of aol)

4. If I have an advantage, its because I
never knew any of you people before.
I am here to play the game fairly, and
believe I am doing so. Some of you it
seems, know the Host on a regular basis.
That is not the case with me.

5. Do I have supporters? You bet I do, just
like the rest of you in here do.
Am I canadian? Yes I am. If arreal
wants to know the general area I live
in its approx. 3 hours north of spokane
where she lives. It doesn't take a
brain surgeon to figure out the area.
I am NEVER specific in where I actually
live, because I'm from a small town
and I am not a person who enjoys a rash
of "stalkers" pinpointing who I am and
where I live. I protect my real identity
in that manner.

6. I am not Neil, and arreal I am not
"Flint" whoever that is, but the name
you IMd me early this morning.

7. If the outside viewers don't like me I am
sure they are intelligent enough to vote
me out. They are the one's who decide
not me.

8. regarding thePrez, this is a nickname
my other online friends have tagged me
with, it really has nothing to do with
secrecy, I have online friends with
whom I chat on a variety of issues -
other than BigBrother. It is their
petname for me.

9. Regarding tali, arrreal I do not make
it my business to "out" people when I
myself don't know if they are just
pulling my leg, or not. You chose
to share tali's comments. I don't
know what Neil's decisions are based
on and it doesn't matter, as I've said
to you NUMEROUS times, if tali is
this "gail" person, it doesn't influence
me one way or the other. This is
NEIL's GAME, NEIL's SITE, I'm not
in a position to tell him how to run it.

10. Final: I am playing the game fairly and
within the rules. Some of you folks
are suspicious and paranoid about me, and
personally I think its a waste of your
time. It amazes me, that because u
didn't see me post before, and you don't
know me that you would think the things
you do about me and be so interested that
you would fill up over 7 folders in the
Livingroom Folder speculating about me.

Himay10ns

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:58 am Click here to edit this post
Vyk, I think that pretty much clears things up. There's one thing I don't understand. Several of you have made reference to AOL Instant Messages during the game. Are you guys actually communicating with each other outside of the board??

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:51 am Click here to edit this post
Yes May....Vyk and I did talk through Instant messages as I said in the living room. It was also Vyk who invited me to a private chat with him and Talisker.

Yes, the three of us spoke outside THE GAME area.

Luke

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:53 am Click here to edit this post
That's not fair--talking outside the boards.

The rules state:

* During the length of time in The Game, the Players posting privileges to the rest of the Board will be suspended. Players will be sequestered and can only post within The Game Play Room area, with their new alter-ego. Players will have access to READ the other areas of the board, but not the Game - Discussions area or Members Area.

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:58 am Click here to edit this post
Very well could be unfair Luke. If it is, I have no problem with being disqualified.

It does specify posting messages to the message board though. AOL instant messages are not posts, rather they are private conversations.

BUT---either way I will gladly follow the decision of the Host.

Himay10ns

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:00 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, ArReal, I appreciate your honesty and I would have to agree with you....let's follow the decision of the Host.

Luke

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:01 pm Click here to edit this post
But you see, Arreal, you guys chatted about stuff that you viewers wouldn't have had access to, and we, the other houseguests, wouldn't have had access to that conversation either. It also isn't fair for those of us who have stayed inside this house, and not made any attempts to contact anyone else. If i wanted to, I could easily contact Mantastic--he probably only lives within 1/2 hour driving distance from me!

I need to rethink things...

Vykin

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:09 pm Click here to edit this post
Instant Messages on aol are like ICQ for those who don't belong to AOL. If you read the rules that the Host provided they say:
chatting in the Chat Room when not designated.
I have not been to the chat room except when the Host arranged for all of us to be there.
Have arreal and I communicated in Instant Messages? Yes, I'm sure if you check with Arreal, wouldn't surprise me if she even logged the conversation. When I've chatted with arreal, its been while I've been posting to the site boards, mainly about, she telling me where she is going to post, etc. technical stuff. I have never been to the outside boards. If there is a problem, as I said earlier, the Host has every opportunity to pull me. Frankly I think Arreal has taken this issue and made a mountain out of a molehill.
The Question I would have back to Arreal would be: She was one of the First people to have a webpage that people cud go to and see more info on her, also I'm aware the rest of you have "fanclub" sites, etc. If I recall arreal had a link to send her emails.? I wonder how that plays into this game?
I currently have a fansite being developed also, but it is someone else and any mail to that site will go to an outside person, and I won't see it till I leave here.

Arreal, don't under estimate my intelligence.

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 12:21 pm Click here to edit this post
Vyk, who questioned your intelligence? I didn't so why the defensiveness about it? Perhpas this is going to escalate your anger to the point of constant bashing and name calling as it did in Xenia's case.

The Web sight which has my e-mail addy on it,
renegadered66, I never use nor do I sign on to.
People who have sent mail to that address, who are on AOL, can check the status of the mail and they will see plainly that it willsay, "NOT YET READ". It's as simple as that.

I have been honest and have had NOT read any e-mails from fans.


I would rather not go back and forth with you on this Vyk.

Roger_Ramjet

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Hey folks, can I say something??? Now that I've asked, let's face it, I'm going to say something anyway! LOL

As a person who has not been in any chats, and as a person who realizes, IT'S JUST A GAME, I'd like to add my perspective. Without regard to what was said before the game (about moderators being allowed or not, or anyone else for that matter), there are a list of written rules. As far as I can remember about contacts (I consider our written rules a contract), if it isn't in there, it's fair game!!!!! Can the Host and Interrogator screw with us?? YOU BET! Is that what part of the game is all about?? YOU BET! Is it ok to question the true identity of a player?? YOU BET! Are we allowed to ask whoever we want within the rules?? YES!! why in the heck would I ask a BG their identity if I think they are trying to hide it?? If it's within the rules to ask on a question borad, why npt give it a try?? Host may or may not answer--a risk you take.

Now this stuff about talking to each other on AOL. In looking at the rules, I don't see where it says BGs can't to that---now it would be against the rules to go into our chat room--that wasn't done!! Did anyone converse with outside poeple?? Not based on what anyone has said so far!!

I'm willing to play like this. Franky, that's what it's all about!! Survivor put up signs on the beach:
OUT PLAY
OUT WIT
OUT LAST

Our rules said to approach the game any way you ant--suck up, be a jerk--whatever. They are all allowed strategies. Some may work better than others--the risk for using any given challenge.

Arreal was most bothered at the concern of someone lieing to her---so, what's the problem with her being concerned? I don't want people doing that to me--in a game or in life--although in this game it happens to be legal---it just doesn't feel any better.

Vyk--when you quoted Arreal, you didn't include the entire converstaion, so much of the meaning was left out--just ot clear that up. You were suspicious of me switching our contacts even after you said you have soft lenses and I have hard lenses--and I took one out and showed you. Did you come to me?? Yes! thanks--did you still say I was doing it, even after the proof--yes, you did once. So, if you want to push facts down the throats of others, be ready for a meal yourself! LOL

This is what makes this game so nique--wondering, laghing, fearing, mistrusting, trusting--it's part of the total entertainment package, so to speak. Was I bothered last night?? Sure I was!! Did I vent more than I should have?? Yes, I did, and said so as well--although I still did it. Is there a chance somone one is being less than upfront with all of us?? Sure seems likely!!

Tali/Vyk--are you pissed that Arreal finked about the AOL thing, or botered that she told another BG?? I'm curious--why would you want that kept a secret????? (If indeed you did--and so far that has not been denied) Lots of questions for us all to answer?? Maybe, although, based on our rules, none worth hanving to leave for.

Technically, when someone speaks aways from you, there isn't any way you could hear it in real like--why not play the game that way?? See, there are lots of little things that have ranges by which to play the game with. Vyk--you could be Clinton or Optics for all I care. I'm still playing the game the same way. What I will go by is how you treat me anc act toward me.

Well, I've said my piece---almost. All BG; I'd like to continue playing the game. If figure before it's over, we will have all cried, laughed, gotten pissed, been happy, or something along those lines. Personally, I still like all of you--reagrdless of who you are--so that that!!

Roger_Ramjet

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:17 pm Click here to edit this post
Damn---should be "so take that!!

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:23 pm Click here to edit this post
Hi Roger...did you get that chemical thing taken care of?

Did you get any sleep last night?

Luke

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:26 pm Click here to edit this post
There you are, Roger... I was waiting for you to join today... Glad to see you here... and glad to read your opinions.

Roger_Ramjet

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:30 pm Click here to edit this post
Arreal--didn't go to bed--went home, got ready for work and came back. That one chemical is Tuesday, althoug found one in worse shape today. Don't know yet when I';; deal with that one! lol

Luke--thanks--I herad Vyk mention something about the questions from last night getting answered--I hadn't seen them yet--going to jump over and look, then come back. Wow, I'm surprised the way I went off that anyone woul want to hear my opinion--well, I know a couple of folks that I think still will listen to mny words--

Luke

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:34 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, you seem pretty level-headed here... I wanted to hear your take on things...

So then... Here's a question for everyone... Who is willing to put up their AOL screen names or ICQ #'s on here? Would that change the dynamics of the game if outside chatting isn't allowed? What about Yahoo Messenger ID's, or MSN messenger ID's? I don't know anyone's so far... and I have numerous ones on each service... Would that change the dynamics of the game?

Vykin

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Roger, check the questions u asked the host in the challenges, it looks like they've been answered. Rog I also think you know the "contact lens" issue and this is totally different.

I'm glad you had the time to fill 7+ folders with arreal last nite. Arreal "invented" the idea that I was lying all on her own. I've read every post, etc. If you want to comfort her, fine, I don't have a problem with that. But it became obvious as I read through the nite, that the focus became on me and who I am, to the point that you guys actually did "word searches" to see if I'd posted. Come on now! Where is the suspicion and paranoia? I've certainly never done that. Finally, roger, regarding the aol, if you read my responses carefully, you will see I am not pissed, and have nothing to hide. Frankly Arreal could post any conversation she may have logged with me. I really don't give a damn at this point. I'm off to talk about other topics, rather than this continuous ongoing verbal diahhrea thats perculating. I thank the Host for answering your questions. go check them out.

I'm playing with a full deck of cards here, if others aren't I can't help them.

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:44 pm Click here to edit this post
I think as far as how the game was played it would allow more privacy...like Jamie and Britt creating an alliance in the bedroom. No one else could here the discussion of the alliance. It would change the dynamics of the game and how everyone played it. It would create advantages and disadvantages for everyone depending on various factors.

Would I give out my ICQ ... Yes...but I would want to send it to Host to send to each of us individual so that people outside the game players wouldn't have access to it.

Himay10ns

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:48 pm Click here to edit this post
I think I took the word "sequestered" literally....imagine that!

Xenia

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:54 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, the bottom line here Giblets is that no matter who you are or how many people are posting under your name or whether or not you're a liar (which I have no doubt you are), the fact still remains: you're still a total imbecile.

Xenia

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Hey Himay!!! I didn't see you around much yesterday!!! It's nice to see you back. :)

Himay10ns

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 01:58 pm Click here to edit this post
Hi Xenia, am I glad you're here. Can you believe all this sh*t? It's worse than pathetic!

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:00 pm Click here to edit this post
Two or more people are posting under the name Vykin....it was answered in the Challenge questions for challenge #4

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Roger---

One of the questions you posted was "Is ONE of the moderators posting as Vyk?" answer was NO

Yet we now know Vyk is more than one person.
The 20th question/answer shows a little more personable Host than what we have seen. And it was not a yes or no answer. Heck was it even a question?

I still want to know who the people are who are playing the roll of Vyk. Two moderators or more?
Neil and Lisa? Neil and Flint?

I still swear I recognized that final post from "Vyk" in the hot tub area. I want the mystery solved. Am I the only one?

Xenia

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Oh man, I feel bad for you guys...

I get to leave tomorrow but you have to put up with this crap for the rest of the game.

Arreal

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 02:43 pm Click here to edit this post
LOL Xenia....we don't know for sure.

I have been acting Crazy in here the last 24 hours. We never know how we will be taken on the outside. I do hope you get to stay. I hope I get to also. :)