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Archive through November 01, 2000
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:08 am  Az wrote: "Nor, was the first to point a finger at Roger, saying that he profited most from the vote being tampered with." Nor, is it true that you pointed some finger at me for cheating???????? Hey, I'm asking, not accusing--I wasn't out here. Although if true, you should stick around long enough to address such an issue with me. |
Twiggyish | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:10 am  SBW, I think we know now who "Guest" was in some of the chats. (Just kidding) "If the allegations are true, do you really think those involved are going to suddenly get a conscious and admit their wrongdoing?" Absolutely true!! |
Vasix | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:26 am  Lance! I saw those posts. It was JOKING! There was this big thing about how Blessed Being Roger (my name for you from all you positive-posts)was untouchable and saintly. Then Roger, the tongue and cheek posts got started that it was Blessed Being Roger. Then others said it could be Roger fans doing it. And it just rock and rolled from there. The only serious accusation that you ever got was that you were "overly" agreeable. And you were called Mr. Rogers. And it was also accurate that you did benefit from the vote tampering fiasco because it took all the focus away from you. At one time 130 votes slammed into the polls in 90 minutes. Of those, you got 1. ONE! ROFL everyone else got dozens and you got one. I was going to start calling you Teflon Roger but things on the boards got too toxic. |
Misslibra | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:31 am  Roger, I sent you guys a banner warning you to stay inside, do you remember ? I think you commented it was funny but you didn't quite understand it. LOL |
Kearie | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:35 am  Thanks Nor....I appreciate that. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:50 am  Vasix---Thanks for the information. I completely agree that it's accurate by definition that if I get the lowest votes due to someone else's actions, I do indeed benefit. For me that is a spearate issue than me cheating. As far as what you refer to as the only serious accusation was me being overly agreeable, I end up having a different opinion. I saw Guruchaz's posts and Affinitie's posts follwoing each time saying he agreed. So, they had more thoughts about my role than just being too agreeable. Their opinions to such things are more than their rights to have. I may choose to disagree, although I would need to bring that up with them. In any event, for what it's worth, I would not want to win based on bogus numbers...EVER! Misslibra--I wanted to stay in!! They wouldn't let us!! LOL Nor---I saw your post under my name in a different thread. I much perfer dealing with someone face to face. Less chance for additional porblems, and provides a chance to come to an understanding. I wish you were willing to do that with me. I have no problem with those who root for other people at all!! I feel it's what helps make the game interesting. It's the cheatint (IF it's happening) and the bashing after it's all said and done (bashing of ANYONE) thaty takes away from the game, IMHO. PS--Notice I ASKED about what you said---I didn't try to tell you that you did it. |
Azriel1104 | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:55 am  No, Vasix it was not joking when she said this =========================================== Why was Moon voted out? Who voted for her? Friday, October 27, 2000 I agree vote count high, what was wierd was that high for all except Roger, hmmmmm, maybe Roger isnt so noble after all =========================================== =========================================== Still say it's a study...lol Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 10:38 am I will admit I have a bias for Vyk. no problem there. I also have a bias against arreal/kearie/ katie. No problem admitting that either. What I have a problem is all these holier than thou people posting about cheating and the outrage. Come on folks, where did the 100+ votes against Vyk come from. you people got outcheated that is all. Dont know who did it but am happy they did. Tonights vote hopefully will be a good vote and we see who is out. Just stop pontificating about who was cheating, because obviously there were a lot of people cheating. And as I said before Roger benefitted the most. LOL ================================================== There are other posts and I don't feel like cutting and pasting them all. Lance, she pointed the finger at you and I think it was not jokingly. I think it was calculated to make Roger look bad. |
Wink | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:06 am  Just to echo Norwican's words " I was and am a Vykin supporter". I too had never heard of Vykin/Optics prior to the game. In fact I had never posted on BB boards prior to the game even though I had followed the internet feeds and enjoyed reading the various threads as the TVBB progressed. I was dismayed when Mantastic left the game and then Zeb because along with Vykin I had enjoyed their "writing style" moreso than the others. And if Vykin is female all the more power to him/her!!! One other matter that rankles me a bit is the fact that so many seem upset that Vykin had outside fans from other boards who came here and voted for him. According to the rules as long as they registered they were allowed to vote. Granted they may or may not have been responsible for earlier voting irregularities but in the final vote my understanding is that everything was aboveboard. Also there were no rules that required any lurkers to post or participate in chats in order to be able to vote. All the above is not to say that I am not disappointed about the turn this board has taken. But I guess that is all part of the learning process when you embark on the unknown. I am pretty slow on the uptake when it comes to internet savvy but I am not naive enuff to think that people playing a virtual game didn't have some kind of outside feedback at one time or another during the course of the game. But they didn't get the final vote. We did. |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:13 am  Az--I hope to find out directly from the source. I'd want to do that with anyone about anything said. These boards present a unique challenge. It's sometimes hard to know for sure what is really meant. A person can write a serious message, as word it so that it sounds joking in nature--or they can add something to make it sound like joking, yet they are very serious. Two points we must remember if we really care at all about what we say to others....if you are serious, make it that way. If you aren't sure about what someone means, ask, don't assume. If we don't do that we will have a mess--IMHO |
Azriel1104 | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:18 am  Well, Lance she carried a joke a little far Here are a couple of more posts to prove my point ================================================== Don't forget to vote! : Archive through October 27, 2000 Friday, October 27, 2000 - 02:53 pm Must be Roger pumping up the votes!!!! Hasnt anyone told him he is fine ================================================== Don't forget to vote! : Archive through October 27, 2000 Friday, October 27, 2000 - 03:27 pm but who benefitted from the cheating, it sure likes it was pretty close overall to me Everyone except roger got over 100 votes. ================================================== |
Thoughtpolice | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:47 am  Message posted by Nor to Roger in his fanmail folder. ------------------------------------------------ Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 10:18 am -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger, Vykin posted her email on an earlier board. I have sent her my response to your post. if you like you can email her and she will forward it to you. ------------------------------------------------ So is Nor just trying to feed the paranoia or is Vykin really a female? I guess I don't care if he is a she - except Vykin gave Roger a really hard time for thinking that he (Vykin) was two people. If Vykin is a she, it's no wonder that Roger felt there was a dual personality at work. |
Vasix | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:55 am  Azriel I think she just carried the joke on, but not too far. Even in one of your prior cut and pastes she ends it with a LOL. Remember, you're dealing with a NYer. Their brand of humor is far more aggressive than say, us dirt farming Virginians. And whether she was joking or not, she can say whatever she wanted, "anything goes" is the title on the site. Anyone and their brother felt free to impugn Vyk's motives, integrity, grasp of reality, moral worth,multiple identities etc and that was part of the game. I say anyone that got one vote when five others got 130 votes could safely be the target of and jive, jest or jab. And why the big deal at Roger getting any grief, I'd match Roger's grief against any other players grief and say he came out okay. If you're tired of beating on Vyk cause Vyk won in a fair vote, it looks like the next thing is to go after norq. If Roger wants to talk to Norq he can make the request, if Norq wants to talk back, Norq can do that. Norq was one voice in a cacaphony of many. If Norq's words are going to be given such weight, you'll be here a long time disecting everyone's posts. And if this is a moral crusade to stand up to any injury Roger received, go find all the moral cursaders' quotes when Xenia was ripping into Giblets about the death of Gib's father or any of her other rants and threats. Xenia said much more hurtful things and most of the players and most of the boards just said, "okay, game on!" Its one thing to say something in jest, its another to remain silent in the face of tyranny. Doesn't matter, Roger and Norq can either talk about or take Lafatme's impassioned plea to "give it a rest". Its up to them. My two cents, Roger had it easy. Played a great game. Got some great posts in and has some great fans (who by the way aren't being hectored to publish allegiance oaths or being told to be completely accurate and fair in all their posts). Norq was hell on wheels in the posts. Took on everyone and anyone. No quarter given, non asked. Even apologized when the heat of battle produced harsh words. I'd fight by Norq or for Norq anyday of the week. I'm done here, I'm going back to my Kumbaya thread and hope Roger finds the answers he seeks. You played a great game Roger. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:55 am  I have been informed that since I broke my original vow of peace I am unable to re-don the robes (I guess it's a little bit like virginity, once gone you can never get it back.) I have stated that I have no problem with anyone having fans/supporters. Where these fans/supporters originate from is of no consequence to me. The concern I have had throughout the course of this game is that some of Vykin's fans/supporters seemed to take on the role of righteous watchdogs of morals and ethics and castigating any and all who held a different point of view. I don't find it honorable to "spy" on chats and use the information to defame and/or disparage others. I don't find it honorable to lie about motives and to utilize shady tactics to insinuate transgressions against ethics and decency. In my opinion these supporters/fans have not afforded anyone who disagreed with their opinions respect and tolerance. Once again I state, I am not stereotyping ALL Vykin's fans in the same category. I have come to know and enjoy many of them on these boards. Viva la difference! |
Optics | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:59 am  First thanx people, I believe my challenge to break 20,000 posts will be met, In the meantime I'm sure Advent39 wouldn't mind sharing his application for TheGame, which only Host could say why it was refused: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 - 06:12 pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm a 39 year old psychologist from NS, Canada. I'm male, unless you've got enough males, in which case I'm female. If you've got enough females, I'll be Pugita. If Pugita's taken, I'll be Bob and if Bob's taken, I'll be Beth. And if Beth is taken, I'll be that tv they wheeled out once in a while. I won't be Julie. I don't particularly want the T-shirt or the experience. I've got enough of those. I guess it's mostly to see if I can get a book deal out of it. I'm banking on America wanting to know whether Keari, Jana or Zelda and I really did get it on in cyberspace or whether we plan to hook up afterwards. I don't take rejection well, so I'll probably walk before the first nomination. If I don't, I'll likely go postal the first time I'm nominated - although, every time I'm not banished, I promise to do the Richard from "Survivor" victory dance. If I don't like the discussion questions, I'll pretend I'm asleep in the love bed. If I like the discussion questions, my responses will only be in the form of clipart icons. Let's see, I'll try to form alliances if anyone's crazy enough to trust me. Oh yeah, I'm going to be away for a few days at my brother's wedding, so maybe we could work out some sort of "Curtis goes to the Emmy Awards" thing and I could pretend my brother was Rudy and I'd come back and tell you all about meeting him. And, just to demoralize the competition, I only have one leg. |
Thoughtpolice | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 11:59 am  Of course, in support of Vykin - did he/she ever state what gender he/she was? Remember his/her remarks in his/her profile: ------------------------------------------------ When I first checked to see if I was chosen, I didn't see myself, but then... things and people aren't always what they seem and are perceived as. ----------------------------------------------- Maybe Vykin was looking under the list of chosen ladies and didn't see her name - maybe he/she thought it was amusing that we assumed he/she was male. (It's all Optics) |
Digilady | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:02 pm  Adven: Regarding your original post in this thread, I for one am glad you came forth with this information. You have always seemed straight up to me, and I cannot imagine why you would ever invent such a tale. So, taking the post as the truth, I'd like to add a few comments: You simply cannot post partial information such as this without muddying waters which are already filthy in these parts. I understand your loyalty to the individual who emailed you. You have, though, already posted enough information to have "blown" any chance of total secrecy. Instead, folks are possibly looking at things in a MUCH worse light than what actually went down, do you see? " Also, Gail, primarily because of animosity toward Kearie, was involved in this conspiracy, as well. " OK. Now people could imagine she did all sorts of things. She's a moderator. She has full access to this board. She could have, single-handedly, affected everything including vote outcomes and much more. This is what people could well think after reading that post. This is a BAD THING. The other two individuals involved are meaningless. (Cheaters always are, in my book.) Even so, he/she has supporters here who have been loyal and who deserve more than the information received. Do as you think best, of course! And no, the CEO-CB doesn't find much funny in this. Ole CB has a real thing about honesty, and I've seen a distinct lack of such over the last few weeks here. Forget the silly CD burner. Forget the Game, for that matter. What is really important is the trust that has been broken, and IMHO anyway, those TVCH posters who were taken in by this. The situation needs brought to light, then promptly buried. Which it will not be, unless people feel they understand what has happened. |
Guruchaz | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:03 pm  Oh no! What's that? It's PAT! |
Vasix | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:08 pm  Optics: DARN IT! I knew I liked Adven. He's hysterical. What a great application. He wrote an entire screenplay in one page. The guy can write great fiction! Next game: in to the stewpot goes Adven. |
Adven39 | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:15 pm  My original intention was not to continue posting here after starting the thread. I felt people would come forward and either refute or confirm the allegations. I also did not want to appear to have an ax to grind in this matter. I do believe what Nadi said near the top of this thread to be true, however, that it is unfair to make an allegation and then walk away from it. So, I will continue to post here for as long as it seems reasonable to do so. Kar - I agree with your comments regarding fact versus speculation and second hand information. Nothing is certain beyond death and taxes.I can tell you that I only posted what I believed to be true beyond a reasonable doubt and did not take posting it lightly. With what the writer of the e-mail provided me, I was able to go back over the pertinent parts of the written record and the dominoes fell into place convincingly. Unless I have been the victim of an extremely elaborate hoax dating back to the beginning of the Game, I stand by the allegations. I would point out, too, that there are other allegations that I believe to be true that I have not posted either because they remain too clearly within the realm of speculation or might further compromise the writer of the e-mail. I do understand that there is no reason to believe what I say simply because I say it is true. Even without the information I have been given, though, if you have the time or the inclination to look, the circumstantial evidence is significant. It is my hope, unlikely as it is, that the writer of the e-mail will come forward and fill in the blanks. It is my belief, and this is speculation on my part, that Vykin and his/her friends parachuted into the TVCH clubhouse simply to play the Game and to subvert the process for their own amusement and entertainment. Not only were they underhanded and dishonest in how they presented themselves, but their concern for those of us who enjoy the TVCH for it's own sake, was minimal. If I gather any satisfaction from all this, it is in the irony of knowing that the Vykin gang now have a mole within their midst to contend with. |
Vasix | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:23 pm  Adven: what do moles eat? Will it need an exercise wheel? Does in burrow under carpets? Can it be trained to fetch the newspaper? Sorry, didn't see the "No Trespassing" sign next to the "Anything Goes" sign. Maybe those darn vandals and hooligan outsiders who parachuted in took it. Lets get 'em! |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:28 pm  Vasix--I hope that no one feels the need to defend me...that is my job. It appreciate those who feel any attacks aren't warranted. Not agreeing with actaul facts about how I played the game---hey, no problem with me. I got ripped less than most--yes, I agree with that! Az, et al I have talked to Norq. I appreciated the chance to take care of that one-on-one. The only person that can turly know what they meant by their message is the one that wrote it. I look to have some good posts with all of you guys. |
Optics | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:47 pm  ThoughtPolice: Idon't know who you are but I always have respect for the police. I've had too many speeding tickets not to have anything but respect. I have read your post. Your comments are thoughtful, and if I was a betting person, I would bet that your thoughts are right on the money! Now then anyone in here up for some Kraft Macaroni and Cheese? My son discovered it while I was in the State Maximum Security Prison for the past month. |
Adven39 | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:47 pm  Vas - I thought you were observing a 48 hour moratorium on this stuff? |
Lafatme | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 01:13 pm  NOR, thank you for apologizing to kearie. let me assure you she is not behind this, nor involved in it, in any way. she would prefer it go away. i, on the other hand, have felt "in the dark" since the game started. it has always felt "fishy" to me. i'm not blaming it on vyk or anyone else, it just never felt right.if there is a "story" here, i'd like to know it. however, the game is over and i just don't see how it matters any more. more than one person (kearie) made mistakes but somehow she seems to be blamed for everything while the others are not. she is a sweet, lovely woman and truly doesn't deserve all the bashing she's received. vasix, i had a funny post about nor but it was mean so i decided not to post it-sorry. adven, thanks for your post. i'll be watching to see if there is any factual information, as opposed to speculation, forthcoming. |
Katie | Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 01:21 pm  Yes, Kearie is a very sweet lady. She hasn't done anything to deserve all of the bashing she has received. |
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