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Vykin | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:37 pm  Moondance and Arreal suggested the above as a topic of discussion. Since I'm up late and they also appear to be, I'm up for discussion. I'm just gonna go round them up (if i can) via post to tell them its set up |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:41 pm  Short, sweet and simple. I think it is wrong to execute people. The risk of putting innocent people to death is too big of a chance to take. <looking to camera> was that short enough? |
Moondance | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:43 pm  Okay for the record, I suggested that you bring up a topic... I didn't pick this one but I will try to put my feelings about it into words ... I will be back |
Vykin | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:46 pm  In Canada the Death Penalty was abolished a few decades ago. In recent years, various groups have attempted to bring it back. Especially when a child is murdered in a heinous way. I don't believe in the DP, not so much because its not used here, but rather, based on my upbringing. I am a part of an ethnic group who migrated to Canada in the late 1800's. Our beliefs are entrenched in pacifism. Our ancestors, burned their guns and weapons on the principle that we do not kill. This belief stemmed mainly from issues of War. One of our fundamental beliefs is that: The welfare of the world is not worth the loss of one child. That is the way I was brought up and that is the way my child has been brought up. |
Zebulon | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:46 pm  It's definitely for cons. Pros shouldn't be put to death because of their entertainment value in sporting events. |
Vykin | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:47 pm  Recognition give to Moondance, ***whisper to moon*** sorry, its been a hectic day, got a bit confused |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:48 pm  I have a question, off topic What if we find that in here with our alter egos we don't like people we used to like? |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:53 pm  I just recently saw something on Oprah, I know! I know! But a Supreme court Judge said that in the last 10? or 20? year the state of Illinois put to death 13 people and in those same years freed 12 people who were found innocent. All were on death row. Freaky. Doesn't sound like good enough odds for anyone. |
Moondance | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:53 pm  So many layers to this question ... No, I don't believe in the death penalty but I do believe in just punishment. Umm... What ever happen to: do unto others…? With so much DNA resources available to the system now... I hope this exposes and aids in the prosecution of criminals and also proves the case of the innocence. |
Vykin | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:55 pm  LOL Arreal, I'm not sure I understand, you mean people from the outside world that you liked, that you don't now like in here? Perhaps we should set up a discussion folder called: Backstabbers |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:58 pm  No, you got that all wrong. I wasn't talking about back stabbers. I'm talking about coming to realize everyone in the house is cool so far. Wonder if everyone is on their best behavior. |
Vykin | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:59 pm  I agree Moon, there should be punishment for crimes committed. One of the difficulties is the cumbersome laws that exist. |
Vykin | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:00 pm  Arreal lol hard to tell , thanx for clarification also. Don't forget seven of our roomates are asleep right now. |
Moondance | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:00 pm  I saw the same show, Arreal ... scary! I hope this made some people really think twice about it! |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:03 pm  cumbersome laws, ain't dat der da truth. Best case is OJ getting let off and found innocent. The jury had no choice but to find him innocent if they followed the LAW. I say if the investigators had not screwed up and the lawyers did their jobs, OJ would be sitting his tight ass in prison. |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:05 pm  You saw it too Moon? It made me think about Bush a lot. How about you? To me, that was very spooky |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:19 pm  Moon, Vyk? I'm going to go talk on the camera you guys, most people are asleep and you two seem pre occupied. I will be right back |
Arreal | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:25 pm  We tryed Vyk. |
Moondance | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:34 pm  I must turn in soon... sorry guys ... this is an important topic so we can come back to it tomorrow if you want ... |
Zebulon | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:42 pm  <sleepwalks in and joins discussion> Operating a prison requires a great deal of money, with a majority of the cost being obtained from the taxpayers. We are being forced to pay the costs of feeding and keeping alive repeat murderers, rapists, and drug lords. Only a few of these offenders can be successfully rehabilitated with the rest just taking up space. With our contributions, these offenders spend years on death row living the easy life where everything is provided for them. This money could be saved and spent on more important things, such as the improvement of local school systems or health care. Until we stop pampering death row convicts and begin to refocus our attention on more important issues, our society will continue to deteriorate and honest taxpayers will be footing the bill. Overcrowding is another issue when dealing with the topic of capital punishment. Prisons are constructed to hold a certain number of inmates and when the maximum capacity has been exceeded, the risks in security for prison officials and lesser offenders are greatly increased. Yet, state and national governments continue to overlook this ongoing problem and leave the decisions to the local judges. Because of overcrowding, convicted murderers are repeatedly given more lenient sentences that usually lead to an early release. By quickly carrying out the sentence on death row criminals, space could be made for incoming convicts and overcrowding in prisons could be abolished. The only real punishment for purposefully taking a life is death and is what convicted murderers deserve. Some people argue that it is inhumane and defies all religious beliefs, but even religious countries have strong methods for controlling crime. Iran, Saudi Arabia, and even Russia have much lower crime rates because of strict punishment procedures. The beheading and castration of individuals convicted of murder or rape is not uncommon and firing squads are still widely utilized. In America, with the administration of the death penalty, family and friends of victims can rest assured that equal justice has been served and that the offenders will not be released to kill again. According to the CIA, America's crime rate is four times worse than Australia's, which has the second highest crime rate in the world. One of the main factors in this statistic is the lenient sentences that are placed on violent criminals in the U.S., therefore reducing the chances of deterring criminal behavior. By coddling death row criminals who continuously fail to be rehabilitated, we are throwing tax dollars away that could otherwise prove to be economically valuable to the well-being of our society. We cannot expect politicians and public officials to change our justice and prison systems without some form of conviction from all Americans. That's why I say capital punishment must be supported if violent crime is to be controlled. <sleepwalks out and goes back to bed> |
Zebulon | Friday, October 06, 2000 - 11:53 pm  <gets up out of bed and sleepwalks back in again> Some people argue about the remote chance of putting to death an innocent individual. Not to intentionally paraphrase an old cliche, but I say that the safety of the many greatly outweigh the mistakes of the few. <sleepwalks out and stubs toe on bedpost> OW! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... |
Xenia | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:02 am  I totally think we should have the death penalty. Does the name Charles Ng, ring a bell? This psychopath tortured, raped and then murdered 11 people incuding two small children in the 80's. He finally got a death sentence in 1998. And now he is sitting on death row, the 528th person in line to be put to death in California--a state that was only executed 17 people in the last decade. He deserves to fry so that the families of the victims can get some sort of peace of mind. Yes, there is the risk of an innocent person being put to death. But then again, it's not like you get a death sentence for minor crimes. You have to be accused of something serious and I have enough faith that, for the most part, the judicial system will convict the guilty and not the innocent the majority of the time. Also, I believe in karma. I think if someone ended up on death row whether they did the crime or not, they had to have taken a very winding road to get there and maybe that's something that was pre-destined...or a place they chose to be for whatever reason. |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:15 am  Zeb u said: "In America, with the administration of the death penalty, family and friends of victims can rest assured that equal justice has been served and that the offenders will not be released to kill again." Seems to me there are family members far and few between, who feel "elated" cuz a murderer has been executed. You make some valid points, however, it rings of a Machiavelian approach to dealing with humans. |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:21 am  Does the name Charles Ng, ring a bell? - it does with me Xenia, Ng hid in Canada for years before he was finally deported |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:22 am  Please go up and read this post again Friday, October 06, 2000 - 10:53 pm and you still say a 50/50 chance is good. What exactly is the death penalty to do? Get revenge? Act as a deterrant? Neither achieve the desired effect. I also believe it takes a huge sum of money for people on death row to hire lawyers and seek appeals and stays of execution. I also seem to recall that family honor has more to do with crime rates than cushy jails, in countries with lower crime rates. Over-crowding, use DNA and set all the innocent people free. Then throw the convicted killers in general populations...let them all duke it out. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. |
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