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Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:17 am Click here to edit this post
I have kept away from the Welcome Kearie thread as that is the place to have the love fest for kearie. I believe it would be inapproprite for me to post anything negative on that and I wouldn't.

This thread was started as a means to perpetuate the whole issue of Vykin and Arreal not to let it go. If Arreal wanted it to be let go she wouldnt have arranged to have the letter posted then followed up with another post. As far as I am concerned any post on a thread is fair game. Now if you want everyone not to criticize certain posts maybe you should put those in guidelines.

Digilady

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:20 am Click here to edit this post
Ain't all this GREAT though?

What a GAME! Think about it.

How real it is, both for the BGs and for us, as outsiders.

2 walk-outs!! Nary a one in the REAL BB. Holy shit. Tis an experiment I, personally, never thought would go this far.

The spies, the moles, the cheating, the b1tching on the outside - this beats a soap opera by 1,000,000 miles!

Kearie, again, welcome back. You'll find =this= side equally as interesting as the other!

Karuuna

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:20 am Click here to edit this post
I really don't see Kearie/ArReal playing the victim here. I do see her accepting some responsibility for not having abided by all the rules, she even says she didn't deserve to win.

While some of the concerns about Kearie's behavior in the game are certainly valid, I am impressed by her humility, that's a rather rare attribute nowadays, and it's nice to see.

I do think the whole computer thing got blown out of proportion, but that's no surprise on message boards like these where paranoia often reigns. In a small way, this was inevitable, since Kearie did break some of the rules. Once trust is broken in one way, people seem to see all kinds of other reasons for not trusting -- that's probably what fueled much of the distrust about the computer problems.

It does take a while for trust to be restored. Some folks are not as forgiving as others, seems like they forget about all the times they've been less than perfect and in need of forgiveness and understanding. I for one am well aware of how flawed I am, so I like to give *lots* of leeway to other imperfect humanoids!

Welcome back, Kearie. I'll bet things haven't changed much since you left, it probably just feels more intense since you're at the focus of some of the discussions now.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:25 am Click here to edit this post
That is a good post Karuuna and I am the first one to say I am a flawed human being.

Digilady

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:32 am Click here to edit this post
All of ya, go read ArReal's last RR Visit.

Wow.

Now "that's a little interesting!"

Maddie

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:34 am Click here to edit this post
Seems to me that Host set up this area to announce that ArReal quit the game so that we as a group could discuss it. There is a Welcome Back Kearie thread where her friends can welcome her back. There were also Welcome Back threads for the other guests as well to hopefully meet with well wishers.

Arreal has said that people accused her of cheating. I believe that Vykin questioned why her computer was not working during chat times. Most of the people that were heavily questioning Arreal's computer problems and how she was playing the game were on the outside of the game where she could not read what was being said, right?

And then there is the matter of Arreal's final redroom post. She has thrown out accusations in a way that the person she is talking about can not defend themselves. It would have been better to confront Vykin head on in the house to get it all out in the open. Or, at least say it to the net cams. She made some pretty serious accusations to Vykin that will go unanswered because he is unaware of them.

There needs to be someplace to discuss or speculate about what happened. What more opportune time is there going to be? Next week? Maybe the week after?

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:40 am Click here to edit this post
Agree Maddie. Him also said something in red room about Arreal's computer if memory serves me right. I agree that Arreal posted a lot of accusations outside the boards that Vykin cant read or know about. I do think Arreal should have stuck around and fought it out with him but she chose not to.

I too think there should be a follow up a week later or so for all the players to read the posts and invite them all back to the house perhaps the living room to talk it all out. Giving arreal the benefit of the doubt that her computer is having chat problems, perhaps a chat is not the correct forum.

It just seems to me that Arreals posts outside the house does not make it a level playing field for Vykin to defend himself.

Adven39

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:40 am Click here to edit this post
Welcome aboard, Soeur. I knew you could do it!

Nor, if you read anyone's posts other than your own, you would realize that Sara is one of the most insightful and mature posters on this board. As for Arreal engaging in dialogue in IM, you are taking a minor indiscretion that any of us might be capable of if we didn't give it much thought and drawing thinly-veiled inferences about her character based on it. This is mountain out of a molehill stuff. The sheer volume of your posts on Arreal on this thread and others leads me to believe that, instead of examining the facts and drawing conclusions, you are drawing conclusions and trying to make the facts fit them. You have been relentless and repetitive in your discussions on Arreal, and instead of offering insight, you are giving the impression that this is a vendetta.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:51 am Click here to edit this post
As I said I question Arreal's motives. I cannot give insight into her behavior. I am not trying to make the facts fit. All I am saying is I question her motives and I am entitled to my opinion just as you are all entitled to yours.

Do I think ArReal has a vendetta, I don't know. I have no idea what went on with Vykin and ArReal other than what I read on the boards inside the house. Do any of us know the extent of their conversations and why each one would feel betrayed by the other. We wont know till this is all over. I have responded on this thread frequently yes, because posts were directed at me in response to my commetn regarding Arreal posting her resignation letter. I think I am entitled to respond and will continue to respond. The best way to make me stop is as I said before, follow the original guidelines of who to ignore and ignore me.

Muzzy

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:52 am Click here to edit this post
If Arreal quits as gameplayer and is happier, good for her. However, this is a game and no need to accuse Vykin and others of being the cause of your distress or quitting. It is a game - people all walks of life, all kinds, all kind of opinions and interpretation of rules. Arreal in you accuasations you state things that were ileagal in game happening to you, well you do not have to accept Im if against rule, Katie has posted about your chats during game.So now you are back on board, strange you on board with inside scoop and bad feelings. This is a game, just a game, no one out to do anything but win, no need to blame others for you jumpin out of fryin pan!!I hope you can truly be a good board member, supportive and helpful, without blaming others. You chose to be in gamee- you chose to get out. You were not without blame in game, what comes around goes around. Be a good board member.

Kearie

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:53 am Click here to edit this post
My IM's with Katie-- Katie and I met during the BB discussion threads, more specifically, the Josh depression thread. We began talking about personal issues. Some of this talking continued the first week of the game. Personal, real life doesn't end because of a game. Freindship and support shouldn't either.

My IM's with Vykin--I don't recall who began the IMs. It might have been me, I can't be certain. Did I ask him to stop giving me info-No. I should have. I don't believe I am attacking Vyk, nor blaming him. I am telling the truth. I don't believe I am bashing him either. The IM I sent him later in the game simply said, "Why are you pissed at me?" When he didn't respond I said, "Am I on ignore?" That is all I said. And it was the last time I IM'd him.

Tali/Gail and I never IM'd each other. The only outside contact I had with her was in the private AOL chatroom. Vyk sent me the link to go to the chat room with them, saying Tali was upset about Roger and wanted to talk. I joined them.

Am I a victim? Of what? My own poor choices is all. I played the game in a fashion that I'm not proud of. I am no longer in the game, by my own choice. I am not trying to place blame on anyone of us. The three of us screwed up, and I am willing to owe up to it. I mentioned Vykin above because you all seem to want to know how I got my 'outside info'. I told you now. If my response included Vykin, that is because that is my explaination as to where the information came. Take it or leave it, for it is the truth. If the truth makes Vykin look bad...well, perhpas he should.

I have no knowledge of anyone making another screen name and coming to read the boards. I certainly didn't. I never went into the chatrooms either. Vykin never said he did either of the above so I can only assume he didn't either.

"There is no such thing as darkness, only a failure to see."

Wcv63

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:55 am Click here to edit this post
I will add one more comment on this topic and then will take a backseat and observe. Arreal did try discussing with Vykin her concerns and "accusations". He wanted no part of the discussions and ultimately used those attempts to impugn her motives and character.

And to quote Forrest Gump: "That's all I have to say about that."

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:58 am Click here to edit this post
and my last comment is SO WHO WAS MUZZY??? Just kidding folks. honestly.

Maddie

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:59 am Click here to edit this post
Maybe Nor is just voicing what a few others might be thinking. I am not saying that I agree with Noreqerdo . . nor am I saying I agree or disagree with anyone else here. I want to hear more discussions from both sides. That seems fair.

Someone earlier in this thread mentioned the NY Times article. When I first saw it, I believed it. I did not know it was a hoax until somebody else told me. I can see how that could have been sent around to various people via email. If you check the thread, people where going to the NY Times trying to find the read thing.

Soeur

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 11:33 am Click here to edit this post
hmmm... the thread is 'Arreal has quit'. She has posted her reasons (good for her). Everyone else can read, ask further questions and develop the thread. Some of these posts (guess which ones) sound like they are written by a dog who is chewing on his tail and going in cirles for exercise. From what I am reading about this vykin guy, I'm wondering how determined he is to win a cd burner...

Whit4you

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 11:38 am Click here to edit this post
Well Muzzy I don't see her "falsely" accusing Vyking of anything, not only has he been getting outside information, he's openly posted outside information on their boards. So how can it be called a false accusation? It seems to be the motive of a few here, to try and protect Vyking by blaming Kearie for telling the truth. You say she's being vindictive but he's the one who's went out of his way to make her look bad (Like when he said "Stop IMing me Kearie" -and "I have outside information that your friends are cheating" and so on and so forth. I liked Vyking and appreciated him trying to entertain US, but to make HER look like the bad guy because she's admitting, taking responsibility and owning up to her mistakes makes no sense to me.

Lets say you have two kids, they both steal from you - one of them admits that THEY were doing it, the other kid takes NO responsibility for his actions. What sort of lessons would you be teaching them, if you convince the kid who didn't take responsibility that the one who did was the bad guy "for making the other one look bad" - gimme a break here.

Whit

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 11:47 am Click here to edit this post
Whit as a parent of two children, I would sit the two children down TOGETHER and flush out the whole story. Thats the problem here. One person is tell a story when the other cant respond back

Whit4you

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 11:51 am Click here to edit this post
Nor? He had a week to "respond" back all he did instead was blame ArReal, he never took any responsibility for his actions in there. Anytime she brought it up to discuss it with him in there he tried to make her look bad for doing so. "It was all just technical chat" etc.

As far as him being able to "defend" himself - he doesn't seem to think he's done anything wrong, so why would he feel the need to defend himself for it? LOL

Nor you really should examine your motives here, I don't think you are being genuine at all. And I've seen that you can be, so think about it.

Whit

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 11:52 am Click here to edit this post
Whit I am referring to todays redroom post. I am being genuine.

Wcv63

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 11:59 am Click here to edit this post
Damn! I always say that I have one last comment and then it turns out I have more. However, to be true to myself I will resist the urge to post.

Wcv63

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 12:03 pm Click here to edit this post
Actually I guess I should say I will resist the urge to post my thoughts since it's obvious that I did not resist the urge to post!

Whit4you

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 12:10 pm Click here to edit this post
Nor? Red Room post? Hmmm haven't read it yet but if your problem with her posting stuff in her Red Room that Vyking can't defend himself on, I sure hope I can find similiar complaints on here regarding all of Gails posts against ArReal in which ArReal couldn't defend her self from, otherwise I'll have to concider you a total hypocrit. I won't assume though. I am sure I can find plenty of your posts regarding everything, everyone else said in their red room reports that others couldn't defend - correct - otherwise it would look like you are just singling out one poster because of an agenda. LOL

Whitney

Soeur

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 12:11 pm Click here to edit this post
wcv, scrupulosity is a true virtue

Lafatme

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 12:17 pm Click here to edit this post
nor, i have a few questions. how can you support vykin when he was involved in the same actions you bash arreal for?

seems like a double standard to me.

you say we need to hear both sides but why?, your mind is already made up.

and what is this "benefit of the doubt" regarding her computer? what doubt? yours? you have a lot of gall to come on here and insinuate that someone is lying when you have ABSOLUTELY NO FACTS to support your accusations.

your posts have been one-sided and vindictive without the slightest attempt at fairness. you are quick to accuse and assume facts "not in evidence" as well as ignoring those indiscretions of vyk's in order to continue your nonsensical, biased, and inappropriate ramblings.

do the right thing, nor, leave voluntarily. hold the door for muzzy while you're at it.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 12:17 pm Click here to edit this post
well wc, I guess my view is the redroom post was done with full knowledge that she was leaving. There are some accusations that she raised in there that she could have raised in the house. She made accusations that Vykin cannot defend since he doesnt know about them.