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Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:12 pm  Okay here's how I did it: First I went back to original folders I guess thats why the arreal thing ate at me cuz I reread some earlier posts) anyways, I knew they had to be secrets. So the spider thing was out. I knew Moon talked about an Aunt, so i put two and two together, plus moon had said she was a tomboy in younger years. Luke, seemed logical never talked about well known movies. I got mixed up between Himay and Roger. I had you switched originally cuz in kitchen roger referred to Spices for prime rib. Then bingo, I read bathroom threads, realize roger made an odd comment about his toes. So there it was |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:12 pm  No Moon--It was vyk's turn last night, and I'll answer whatever his questions are....my question for DQ wasn't a truth or dare thing--just a question. |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:14 pm  Vyk--wow, that was great!! excellent job!! |
Moondance | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:15 pm  You are brilliant! that is great Vy oh wait we are suppose to spice it up... that sux |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:16 pm  Yep I"m here roger, was checking the emails from interrogator, I got two of them. The second one is lengthy. Okay roger, further, the Russian issue, when I first saw that I thought wow, I knew I had said I spoke fluent russian and that wasn't my secret, and I figured thats you because 2 years ago a group of rotary students came from Kemchatka to my area, and they had (they were a dance troupe) just come from performing in cities around where you live. I figured there may be (took a chance) a russian speaking population there. |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:19 pm  OKay my turn last correct? Roger i told you I was gonna ask you about your possible belief in god or whatever, (LOl then in old threads I saw something else I wanted to ask you, But now forgot) so I will ask you : What are your religious beliefs, or spiritual values and do they play a significant role in your life. |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:20 pm  There are a couple of Russian speaking folks in the community, although they are scientists here at work! haha Hey, it worked out for you! You said you had questions to ask me??? DQ--calling DQ!!! |
Moondance | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:22 pm  Good question |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:24 pm  Sorry about the above!! First, yes, my beliefs are important to me...as are everyone else's. I prepared an answer last night, so can copy it over and not take too long as not much to change based on what you just asked. I would like to say 1) it's long--a conversation is included as part of what I want to say, 2) it may cause some problems beacuse it's a bit out of te norm from waht you folks haves said about your beliefs (they wanted me to be more controversial!), and well, do you still want the answer knowing these things--especially the long post part????? |
Moondance | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:30 pm  Of course |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:30 pm  Guys, look at above post--are you sure you want the answer??? It takes up a lot of space. |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:31 pm  Ok, wait just a moment..... |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:33 pm  Well, you raise a heck of a question. To answer it though…no, I don't believe in God. I don't believe there is a supreme being out there watching over us. So, you might ask, what do I believe in?? A fair question! I believe in me!!! I mentioned awhile back that I put myself through this self acceptance exercise quite sometime ago. Out of that I came to be a person who decided to believe in himself…and what comes with that. Include with that is being responsible for what I do and how it affects everyone and everything. I go to bed with that each night. Now, before you become worried what I might try and do to your kids and friends, let me explain a couple of things…very important things. First, my views are for me ONLY! I do not put them on anyone else. I don't go preaching my way of living being right for anyone else. If asked in a genuine way, I will share, as I'm doing with you now. I look to the person to see what I feel about them. Their religion is less important to me than if they live it. I respect someone who follows whatever set of rules they believe in. That is why I step into the church here…because of the messages…not who's name they are in. I will not burn if I say God or Jesus. For me, God is my own mind…and so is the Devil. I am good and evil-or the potential for each. I have a story to relate as an example of how I'm looked at for my beliefs…this is by far not the worst I've been treated, although it does provide an insight into how many view me. This is close to the very quotes of that night-it's been awhile, although firmly etched in my mind and heart. When going to school, I worked full time in a local grocery store. This was a family owned store, small in comparison to what you are probably used to. Anyway, this family was Catholic. One of the sons managed, and the mother/father owned it and worked the check stand or stocked once in awhile. Jack, the owner, was doing stock with us one night, and we were on the same isle. He asked what religion I believed in and I told him I an am atheist. He just stopped dead in his track, put his case of stock down, and came over to me. He said to me, "Wow I never new that about you. I've got to ask…why is it that you don't back your car up in the middle of the night, use your key to get in, open the safe, take all the money, and all the food you can fit in your car, and drive off?" I said, "Huh??" He said, "well if you don't believe in God you don't believe in heaven or hell either, right??" I said, "no, I don't believe in either of those." He then said, "well how is it you avoid doing these things, since you have no incentive to do the right things in life so you can get to heaven??" I asked him, "So, what you do in your life is for the purpose of getting to heaven??" He said, "Well of course-that's where all people who believe in God want to go! If you don't believe in God, where do you think you go after you die?" I answered, "I believe that when I die that will be it-I'm a big electrical cell-my body is electrically run. When I die, I'm basically a discharged capacitor, or a drained battery. My energy will just dissipate-become random like so much of the energy is around us." He looked so worried, as he said, "Well now I really don't understand how it is you don't back up to my store and do all the things I said and worse. You have nothing to get to that requires good behavior in life." I said, Well, have you seen me do anything wrong yet?" "No" he said…"and why is that!!!!???" Well, I said, "It's really pretty easy. I have a set of rules for myself just like you do, or like any person of another religion. After all, that's what a religion really is…a set of rules by which to live life by. I do the right things because I believe they are right. I take responsibility for the rules I set for myself-and hold no one else at fault for them or what I do in terms of them. It's all on me for the rules I made for myself." He said, "so you can do nice things and do them believing you can't go to heaven?" "Yes" I said. He reply, "I just don't understand how anyone can do the right things without a reward for doing them…it just doesn't make sense." I said, "No problem Jack, I don't expect anyone to understand or believe what I believe in. I just hope that I am judged by people by my words and my actions during the course of my life---for I feel that is what's important while we are alive." He says, "Well what if by chance you are wrong and my God does exist? What will you say when you die?" I told him, "Well, it's also possible that if I'm wrong, it could be one of the other religions are correct about who/what God is. In any event I would let my actions speak for who I am, and take full responsibility for them. After that, IF there is a God, that God will decide what is to happen to me, and I will accept that. In the mean time, I'm still going to believe the way I do, and I'm going to treat you with respect, honesty and fairness, just because it's in my rules that I do so." He walked away, shaking his head, saying, "You can't be human…no human can take that on themselves." I worked silently the rest of the night, thinking I would be fired. He never did fire me. I hope that my beliefs in this area have not caused you to think less of me. I hope that you can still respect me and believe that I am a good person. I hope it is the person I am that if you must judge, you use as a measure. Here is the essence of who I am as far as how I approach everyday life. This is what I try and live by. It is not my "religion", as it were, although these stem from my beliefs. Remember that I do not push these upon anyone else, as with the rest of my beliefs-they were made for me, by me. Note that this would be me talking to myself. ·Be true with yourself and others ·Be consistent ·Act with integrity ·Look at the whole picture ·Ask questions ·Listen carefully ·Take responsibility for your actions and choices, only you can make them ·Don't blame-be part of the solutions ·Define the problem before attempting to solve it ·Know the rules-if you don't know then find out what they are-follow them ·Don't compromise your principles ·Don't expect others to be you-only you are ·Be fair ·Develop a team ego, not just an individual ego ·At any given moment do the very best you can do ·Know your limitations, work within them, yet try to increase them as opportunity allows ·Don't believe you can do it all ·Strive to improve; help others to do the same whenever possible ·The easiest way will often not be the best way; be willing to take the harder road ·Conflict should result in improvement and should be dealt with in a no or low risk environment ·Be true to yourself and others This is the truth you asked about. |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:36 pm  Roger, screw the outsiders, I am honestly interested in hearing. I await your response. |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:40 pm  See above! Actually my concern is you folks in here..and not because of voting coming up. Just so many people have seen me as a horrible monster for my beliefs...... |
Moondance | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:47 pm  Thanks for sharing Roger... I hope this is a lesson to some who might judge you... This is what know about you You always have a loving response to anyone's opinions and posts. Even when you disagree, you are first to recognize it is your opinion and they have theirs ... and always done with respect. You are a caring soul (forgive me ... but I am using my vocabulary). You are unselfish with your time & energy You have always been open to information You are excepting of all I may call that spiritual ... some would say, it is of God ... you may say it is you as long as the point of goodness is not overshadowed with judgment Thank you for being so open! |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:47 pm  Roger, thanx a million, I read your post, re read it and then wanted to copy it to show a friend> I have friends who are atheists and friends who are catholics. Your statements are very similar to the beliefs of my ethnic heritage. I don't find them disturbing one bit~! Though I believe in God, I did A Course in Miracles (it doesn't refer to god but applies to anyones "higher source" what ever it may be. Xenia referred to it. it talks of the same things as u referr to. |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:49 pm  Okay Rogerramjetmrrodgerslethargic YOu're next! Its your turn to ask |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:54 pm  Is May here??? |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:57 pm  Is it just you and me Vyk?? Anyone here besides me and Vyk????? |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 09:00 pm  LOL Roger The Ghosts of Xenias Padded Cell |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 09:00 pm  No, May-- Vyk-truth or dare |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 09:01 pm  Did LukesterLobster say he'd be back tonite? |
Roger_Ramjet | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 09:02 pm  Sorry--I saw Moon here, and didn't include her---sorry Moon!!! |
Vykin | Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 09:02 pm  oh damit ramjit okay hell with this I'll take a Dare |
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