Archive through November 03, 2000

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Noslonna

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 10:49 pm Click here to edit this post
yup -- a lot of courage to gossip

Zelda

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 11:09 pm Click here to edit this post
Nos... ironically it was not gossip. Most of it has come to light. If you have something to say... say it. Adven made a choice to come forward, he has his reasons, you have your reasons to support Vykin... that still confuses me after everythinig that has happened but you have a right to your opinions. This has caused a major rift in the board and it is very unfortunate. But just running around following Adven with just a comment or jab isn't the way to work through this to put it to rest IMO.

Max

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 11:36 pm Click here to edit this post
For the record, I'd just like to say that I agree with Flint 110%. I've stopped reading most of the stuff on this board and only check in occasionally because I have been one of Neil's helpers along the way. My involvement with the game was limited almost exclusively to observations and creating challenges and discussion topics for the BGs.

Seeing what kinds of juvenile interactions continue to transpire "outside the house", I'm simply reminded of why I stopped reading newsgroups a long time ago. Given the combined factors of relative anonymity and the impersonal nature of communication via keyboard instead of voice or face-to-face, people seem to inevitably sink to the lowest levels of behavior.

Adven: Apparently, you were given some sort of information from someone that leads you to believe there was "cheating" in a GAME where one of the premises was "ANYTHING GOES". By your own admission, you were given this information in confidence and the person who provided the information asked that it be kept confidential. Could you grant that simple request? No. You seem to feel that you are serving some greater good by making statements without providing facts to substantiate them. That's not a noble act. That's an act of cowardice. If this is what you consider to be ethical and noble behaviour in relation to something as unimportant as a GAME, then I can only wonder what kind of betrayals you commit in real life under the guise of being "noble". I know you think you are justified in what you've done because you feel that others acted unethically. Ever heard the old saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? I think it applies here.

I really don't give two hoots who won the game. I was glad Vykin did simply because of all the crap that had been spewed on the boards about the alleged "cheating". I found it ironic that the object of such wrath actually ended up being the winner.

You can slam me all you want, I really don't give a hoot. I'll stay hanging around to help Neil and Lisa out as I can. Don't bother telling me to not read threads that I disagree with. Part of helping out around here is to keep somewhat in touch with what's going on. I'm sure not as in touch as I once was, though. A handful of you have spoiled the fun of that.

In closing, let me just refer you to Whatwillidonow's post earlier in this thread. GET A GRIP PEOPLE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT IN THIS LIFE! When it all comes down to the final bell, do you really think you'll be lying on your deathbed saying, "I wish I'd had more time to post accusations on the TVCH boards about the way the GAME was played"?

Now, go read a book for a while, would ya? Come back when you can play nice.

Digilady

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 11:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Zelda:

No, what Adven posted is NOT. Repeat NOT. BS at all. As he gently puts it, there are more serious issues at stake. Folks might not believe me either: so be it.

Adven passed on a slight part of a larger picture. He hoped the involved parties would respond: hasn't happened. End of story.

Don't shoot the messenger.

ohhhh Flint... other than THAT, Mr. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show? LOL!

BTW, =others= here have received threatening phone calls. Get it?

Tukuul

Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 11:52 pm Click here to edit this post
What I don't understand is what makes this particular area any worse then the BB area as far as people b1tching? I certainly didn't see many people leave during the BB flame wars. Why so thin-skinned now? Just curious to whoever wants to answer that.

Noslonna

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 01:10 am Click here to edit this post
2 cool... cause sometimes us human beans truly care about each other, gives us thin skins. We can not always run away or hide.

Do you not ever feel the need to defend someone? Do you not ever feel the need to stand and fight?

Do not look the other way when someone is being unfairly attacked. Who is being slandered here... and why?

Because she is a woman and you assumed she was a guy? Because she was not the one you wanted to win? Because you didn't know her before the game started? Because she had a lot of friends supporting her? Because her kid gets a cd burner? Why?

Twiggyish

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 05:41 am Click here to edit this post
<==Nos (just kidding)

Affinity

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 06:03 am Click here to edit this post
Nos is constantly constipated

Sandyc

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 06:26 am Click here to edit this post
Flint -- well said. Don't go away for too long. Some of us would really miss you.

Spamgirl

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:12 am Click here to edit this post
trying... not... to... post... must... hold... back....

UNFAIRLY ATTACKED? Adven is being unfairly attacked - he was just trying to discuss something.... vyk isn't - vyk went into the game knowing that she would be scrutinized on the outside... she chose not to disclose information (and to do many other things I won't bring up here) and that not disclosing it, and it coming out later, would be hell... people would flip shit on her... she's not stupid - she knew these things... she can't say that she doesn't... she made her bed and it's time to lie down...

And it isn't slander if it's the truth, it's public, and it's been admitted by the person it's being spoken about.

i need a constapated pig for the end of this message ;)

Soeur

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:21 am Click here to edit this post
+ = constipated pig

Soeur

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:33 am Click here to edit this post
see? I'm good at math as well...

One thing for sure, each person who posts with intensity is seeing a version of the 'truth' that they are committed to. A more reliable truth will emerge when there is a more sedate and well meant examination of whatever facts can be panned from all the sludgy muck Wash that ole glop away, and then see what emerges and remember to be grateful that others care enough to particpate in the process. What I have seen is a lot of communication and sharing (even if some of it was said through gritted teeth or with fist pounding on the table). I feel sorry for that sad little face (unfairly labelled 'crap' in the clipart file). How can we help her despairing mood?

Spamgirl

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 07:33 am Click here to edit this post
rofl OK then :)

Optics

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 08:06 am Click here to edit this post
Response to SBW:
1. I did not know what my friends were posting on the outside. Unlike Moondance who was given Jana's password, I never did that.

2. I shared that info as soon as I got it.
Refer to my question to Arreal under Internet Cam folder. (no different than moondance sharing her email) Only she held off till she was satisfied the Host would do a Revote, before she told us.

3. NYTimes Article was before Neil clarified his wishes.

4. I quoted directly from Neil's email- if you chose to read the part where I said I understood Neil's initial response. For the Record, you don't know what correspondence I've had between the Host and myself these past 4 days. Don't write cheques that your ass can't cash.

5. Is a Lie, I joined in August, if you want factual proof - do your homework first.

6. Mistreat Gator? - Have you asked Gator this?
I have absolutely no problem in Gator posting the email he sent me yesterday, and furthermore, I have no problem with posting my responses - if Gator aka Flint agrees. Once again, you are writing cheques that your ass can't cash. Another one and you might as well be a fraud.

7. Yes, I am sorry - I am sorry for the warped and distorted minds of some people on this board, who create fantasies in their heads - Xanax must be rampant and on sale this week at the drugstore.

And yes, I have been flooded with requests not to leave the site. The decision whether I do or don't is none of your business!

Wcv63

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 08:44 am Click here to edit this post

Sbw

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:00 am Click here to edit this post
Optics - reread my post carefully.

1. I very plainly stated that you didn't post those things, your friends did. I am sorry you feel responsible for THEIR actions. I do not hold one adult responsible for the actions of another adult.

2, 3. Where did I place any blame on you? I didn't. Others by their own admission are just as guilty of these as you are, if there is guilt to be placed.

4. I have seen Neil's post as well as yours. I see a very different connotation posted by the two of you. I simply said if Neil posted exactly what he said, I can see that if you were hurting you may have made it worse than I read it. (BTW, this is NOT a challenge to see the emails, that is between the two of you.)

5. I don't need to do any homework. I said I didn't care, that it didn't matter to me one way or the other. Others found fault with it, I was saying even if their worst scenario were true I didn't care. I do NOT think you would have done anything wrong if you just joined that day.

6. As far as mistreating Gator or anyone else -- when people have put hard work into a game and one person or a group of persons makes it a sham by cheating it is a shame. The people who did the hard work behind the scenes are the ones who are wronged by a tainted game and by those who make light of a semi-serious situation. (As serious as you can be on a message board.)

I never asked you to leave. I don't care if you leave. Did it ever occur to you in the reference to leaving maybe, just MAYBE I was referring to myself? Wonderful thing about these boards we can avoid reading posts by a particular person if we so choose. (But FWIW I liked a lot of your Vyk posts.)

I was not referring to your feeling sorry for the actions of others. I am the one who needs to be responsible for MY actions and be SORRY for my inappropriate comments. (BTW, my Xanax prescription has not just run out. I don't have one. I never offered to mail/fax any drugs. But I think some others did and I thought the vision of faxing some pills/capsules was rather humorous and could not see how they could be serious.)

I will state again my one statement to you which I do not see answered -- you say that you were keeping up with the vote totals and knew something was wrong? How did you do that? I saw percentages discussed in chat but never any numbers, I have repeatedly made that statement and have received no response to it from anyone.

I would love to discuss this with you further. I am not the enemy. Unfortunately (and I can see why) you have made it you against the masses. Don't forget you received the most votes to win, obviously you are not in the minority.

Zelda

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:07 am Click here to edit this post
Digilady... I was agreeing with Adven and his choice... did I make it seem like I was feeling any other way? I am sorry if I did....by your post it sounds as if you are defending him and you don't have to here.... I am in complete agreement.

Zelda

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:19 am Click here to edit this post
Optics ... please do not try to validate what you have done by using me as an example.
I waited to tell everyone about the e-mail from Jana until I heard that the host had gotten my letter. I had no idea what her decision would be. I also have said that I did not use her password... I was too upset from the letter, why make it worse. BTW according to some posts I have read since, she changed her password immediately afterwards.

Don't bring me into your mess...I have come clean, taken responsibility, made an apology and can sleep at night. You have chosen to do things in theatrics to fog over the truth. All we wanted was your explanation and an apology.

Affinity

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:26 am Click here to edit this post
Hey people, can we get along here? I thought we were all mature adults. Optics did something wrong everyone says. Optics admits some of these things wrong. We continue to chastise wanting her to admit more. This is also wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. I believe both sides owe apologies. And I'm sorry if anyone alienates me due to my opinion. But I am only 20, I have an excuse to be immature.

Affinity

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:27 am Click here to edit this post
and thats my final answer!

Norwican

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:30 am Click here to edit this post
Optics, I did not know any of the players on any level (other than reading BB live feeds) at all when this started and I am very glad of that.

It seems that the majority of flaming posts have come from people that have lost control of their objectivity because personal friends of theirs were involved. It is one of my priorities to strive to remain objective even when I am close to something or someone (I, of course, do not always succeed).. but apparently some people just cannot do that.

I personally hope you do not feel the need to keep defending yourself... you have explained more than enough... and you deserve some peace (all the players do). If they don't believe you now, nothing you say will change that at this point.

Zelda

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:34 am Click here to edit this post
Norc:)
How can I have peace as a player if Optics continues to bring me into her mess and I am left with defending myself?

I have stated my apology... I have not heard hers... If I have missed it, please tell me where I can read it and I will be the first to let it go.

Thoughtpolice

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:42 am Click here to edit this post
Moon - I have to agree with you. I've tried to let it go as others have wished (I wasn't even a BG - I can't imagine how you guys feel). But everytime Vykin posts, I keep thinking of the old phrase " people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Her comments toward you and Kearie seem just as hurtful as the numerous comments towards her.

I'm not trying to chase her away - she made me laugh a number of times. This year has been bad for me so I've enjoyed the humor in her posts. I need all the chuckles I can get.

I miss you BGs - I really enjoyed everyone's posts.

Guruchaz

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:44 am Click here to edit this post
This whole thing is stupid. Everyone needs to sedate themselves, wake up, and start over again.

Zelda

Friday, November 03, 2000 - 09:53 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks ThoughtPolice... I like your handle BTW

This whole thing is hurtful for everyone and I want it put to rest as do everyone else. I am so tired of this. I understand why some chose to leave the board... it's getting real close for me to just leave and that makes me sad,