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Zebulon

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 09:32 am Click here to edit this post
I have to admit that I've never been involved in a false accusation of abuse of someone until Xenia made the insinuation two days ago after mangling a post I made about a recent long term relationship. I find it hard to believe that any "sane" individual would even consider doing that to a person. Not much gets to me, but this has truly upset me and has caused me to bring up this discussion. It's not solely about Xenia, but about people (male or female) who make similar false immoral pleas of abuse everyday and get innocent people arrested or change people's views towards them.

Do you think men and women have equal power or do you think one side has an advantage over the other when it comes to these types of accusations? What are your thoughts on this issue?

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 10:18 am Click here to edit this post
Well, Zeb, first I'd like to clarify: I began to question whether or not you are an abusive man before the post about your ex-gf. It started after I read your posts in the domestic violence thread.

I am so glad you started this thread because it raises an issue I wrote about in my visit to the RR last night.

First, I have a confession:

(I wasn't going to reveal this at all and just leave you to find out on your own, but since I'm leaving tonight, what the the hell, I'll spill the beans now...)

During a RR visit I wrote:

HAHAHAHAHA!!! Over the last few days, Zeb has proven to be the biggest source of entertainment for me since I've been in this game!!! Watching him have a MELTDOWN over the things I've been writing is HYSTERICAL!!! And the really funny thing is, I truly do not have an opinion about him. Nothing I have written about him is genuine. I don't even know the guy! But just watching him react cracks me up! He actually BELIEVES everything I am writing and doesn't seem to be even remotely considering it's all about me f-cking with his mind! I LOVE IT!!!

Sorry, Zeb. I couldn't resist. You kept on reacting and I couldn't stop egging you on.

What truly appauls me is that no one came to your defense. I wrote this in a late-night RR visit:

I just came from the board and saw that, even though he said "I'm so over you", Zeb is still foaming at the mouth. LOL!!!

But it got me to thinking...

Here I am posting the most outrageous, most insulting, most unnecessarily dramatic comments about Zeb and NOT ONE PERSON is defending him!!!

This is what I DESPISE about these kinds of situations. I can't blame this particular group of people because I think in most situations the average person would also sit back and say nothing.

But, Christ, if someone else was speculating about Zeb the way I am, I would be all over their ass, telling them to shut the hell up because they cannot prove their assumptions, telling them to seek therapy, pointing out that their assumptions are wrong based on the info Zeb has offered. Is anyone challenging me? NO!!!

They all just ignore the whole issue. How truly pathetic. Especially when they must have an opinion and want to say something. I really can't understand not wanting to "get caught in the middle". I think if you believe in something, believe someone is wrong and being unjust then you should say something!!!


Go ahead and spew in anger. I probably deserve it. And I know I'm going to hell for this one. :) But damn it, I was bored and it was fun.

Zebulon

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 10:47 am Click here to edit this post
Oh, I'm sure it was fun for everyone.


What made you come clean now? So people wouldn't think of you as the toad you are? You have some serious self-esteem issues you need to iron out girl. I can't even believe you would make up something like that.

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 10:52 am Click here to edit this post
You continue to make me laugh, Zeb!!!

I came clean now because I'm leaving today. I have nothing to lose/nothing to gain.

I forgot to add to the above post: Thank you for making this week more bearable, Zeb. Thank you.

Roger_Ramjet

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:16 am Click here to edit this post
Xenia, regarding you post above, I thought I answered your questions (in terms of me) about when I say something and when I don't...the answers still hold. At the time I gave them, you didn't mention that as being pathetic, yet now you do. So, you had an opinion then, yet didn't say anything????

My opinion on it was of not consequence, and that is why I didn't say it---there they go again going at each other...I don't know where they get some of their ideas--well, let them battle it out--they are both capable of holding their own.

That is the same thing I told you when you asked me about not going to the defense of someone. So, I did state my opinion when you asked.

I wonder how much amusement I've been for you--right now I have no idea. I hope that I provided something positve to you--even if only that.

I don't know if you will leave or not--I didn't look at the votes.....many like the conflicts that go on in here, many do not. You were not voted out last time...until we hear the results, we can't really know for sure.

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:28 am Click here to edit this post
Roger, as you will see with my RR visits, you were not a source of amusement for me during the last two weeks. Zeb and Giblets were.

Yes, you did explain to me why you do not get involved and I respected your response. But remember the one time when you did? The time when I made the remark about Gail's family? You obviously felt that I had crossed a line then. Don't you think accusing someone of abuse is also crossing the line?

But it's really here nor there. I had my fun with Zeb and torture time for him is over.

Don't forget people, we are merely playing "The Game".

(And a special note to you Zeb: Remember when you told me I was being "fake"? Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?)

Moondance

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:30 am Click here to edit this post
Xenia
I felt from the beginning you choose to do this to Zeb 1) for attention 2) for a reaction... I choose not to participate because I believe there are bigger issues in life to be concerned with then to feed someone's ego by reacting to their selfish motivations.

As you pointed out numerous times, I am older so I hope you will take some unsolicited advice. Please take domestic abuse seriously, it happens everyday to many people and I am sure they would be offended to what you have called entertainment. To 'make' your entertainment out of someone else's misfortune, character and/or feelings is not acceptable. If you feel that hostility is the only way to get a reaction or a discussion going then you have more to learn than I thought.

As far as Zeb ... I enjoy him here and he has 'handled' himself & you pretty well so please do not pimp the others for a defense.

Zebulon

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:32 am Click here to edit this post
I think everyone needs to scroll up to where all this began and see who actually DID start it. It's over as far as I'm concerned.

Sparing the issue with Xenia, does anyone have any general views on this topic?

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:40 am Click here to edit this post
Moon: You really put me in my place!

I only mentioned ONCE that you were older than I was (Internet Cam thread yesterday).

Do you seriously think Zeb handled me well? You need to go back and look all his posts.

Zebulon

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:45 am Click here to edit this post
The truth hurts your ego doesn't it, Xenia? An inflated mental ego will destroy you everytime.

Buh Bye

Moondance

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:46 am Click here to edit this post
Actullay you have mentioned it more than once... in the livingroom thread also but that is not the issue...

Zeb gave you what you wanted... a reaction. He seems to be all right about things now, so yes, considering what you were accusing him of... he did handle you well.

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:52 am Click here to edit this post
"He seems to be all right about things now"

Are you serious? He's still fuming!!

Yeah, I wanted a reaction. Brownie points to you for figuring that out. Too bad you didn't give Zeb a heads-up about it before. It would have saved him some stress.

And I have to stay, I appreciate that you set aside the fluff to express what you are honestly thinking. It's refreshing.

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:54 am Click here to edit this post
Zeb: "The truth hurts your ego doesn't it, Xenia?"

No.

I knew I wanted a reaction from you and that's why I did what I did. Moon doesn't have some great insight into me that I am not aware of.

You're the only one who couldn't figure "the truth" out.

Himay10ns

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:55 am Click here to edit this post
Pathetic....not quite. Bored and nauseated... ABSOLUTELY!!! I chose not to get involved because I thought the whole accusation was absurd. Remember Xenia, I've been on the opposite end of your rage once before. Read my RR convos when you get out. After the initial rise, I chose not to react to you anymore. I equated you to Charlie Brown's teacher...."wah, wah, wah, wah, wah". Zeb didn't need any defense, he held his own...I'm just glad the whole damn thing is finished! It was overkill....

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 11:58 am Click here to edit this post
NOW THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!

Man, you people are so two-faced!!!

Moondance

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 12:05 pm Click here to edit this post
I will repeat myself...

I choose not to participate because I believe there are bigger issues in life to be concerned with then to feed someone's ego by reacting to their selfish motivations.

Arreal

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 12:10 pm Click here to edit this post
The thing that I find unsettling about false accusations of abuse is that it causes the real accusations of abuse to be questioned.

Perhpas I'm naive, but I tend to believe if accusations are false, the truth will come out. I find the real accusations more disturbing.

I never saw any validity in Xenia's accusations. I took them as merely speculations. Why jump to defend something that isn't true? I believe all of us on the boards just saw it as a "Xenia rant"
and I find it doubtful that it will harm Zeb in real life.

As far as real abuse issues I think men have a much more difficult time revealing abuse when they are truly abused, by other men or women. I think it's wrong that society has a difficult time accepting that men can be victims also. I think it's sad that men struggle to admit that they were victimized.

I've known men who have been victims of domestic violence and they just don't feel at liberty to discuss it.

I think because of this, women are much more likely to make false accusations of abuse than men.

Luke

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 12:11 pm Click here to edit this post
I chose not to defend why I did not get involved. We are all grown adults in here, and I don't think it's asking too much to expect adult behavior from each of us.

Moondance

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 12:19 pm Click here to edit this post
Luke... ditto

Arreal... you brought up some good points about it being a two way street. Men are victims also and the forum for them is limited!

As far as false accusations... what goes around comes around! Laws of Karma:)

Vykin

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 01:11 pm Click here to edit this post
False Accusations? Abuse? Hmm, well where do I start? I had read every single post in this Room, some of them twice if not 3 times. Did nobody in here read my post on Domestic Violence, and my reference to a family member who is in an abusive situation, but family turns their cheek?
Verbal Abuse and Physical.

Xenia, you've said, you have a BA in Psychology, it appears to have been wasted on you. You just don't get it! If you look back you will know, that since I saw you start "beating" on Zeb this past week, I knew he was in for a ride with you. In fact, I posted, Zeb buckle yourself in, Xenias after you this week. Verbal Abuse Xenia can be abusive whether your a man or a woman. I have "followed" Zeb around the boards, and you will note, I have left messages after his and your exchanges. I hope I have tried to help him, but I also know Zeb could see the idiot in you.

Xenia, it is one thing to post messages and "toy" with people. But let me tell you, I think I have shown I can take a lot of crap in here! You are a part of the crap. But when you post messages like you did last week, about giving people like me a Dry F*&k with a 12 inch Dildo, then it doesn't show your intelligence, but rather, your need to shock people for vindictive self-satisfaction. I will tell you, at that time I emailed the HOST, and told him, if I wanted to go to a porn site, I would do that and I told the Host, you were on the extreme side of vulgarity. There are young people most likely registered on this site, and if you continued, I would consider withdrawing. Now I don't know if the Host emailed you in private to ask you to clean up your language but for some reason, you stopped.

Zeb handled himself very well with you. I followed your attacks on him, and if you "broke" him (which you didn't) I would have been on your ass quicker than an electric cattle prod. And I'm sure you know that I would have.

The others, I can't speak for, except to say, when I was being attacked, zeb was the one who "stood by me".

You say, you did it for fun, then you said, Zeb isn't an abuser, you just lied about that. Well Xenia, you are perhaps the only one in here that has lied to an extreme, and the only purpose its served is that you have made an ass of yourself.

I believe, and I speak only for myself, that when I've seen people in here attacked, unnecessarily, I have stuck up for them.

Xenia, you have some real life issues that you aren't facing about yourself. Rather you are exploiting and promoting them online, to feed your ego. If you do leave tonite, then perhaps its best. Personally, I too have credentials in psychology, and its easy to pick up "the real person" in online posts. You should know that.
I don't agree with your lifestyle, if its truthful in terms of the jobs you hold. That is my opinion. There is enough evidence in the world of psychology to indicate, that people with your lifestyle are troubled people, and you are one of them.

Even, if everything you've said here is "play acting", that in itself is an indicator.

Zebulon

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 01:36 pm Click here to edit this post
I'm cool with all this. It just proves what I said to Xenia when she first stuck her nose in a conversation last week.

She's just proved how BIG her ass is by showing it to the public and she's also proved what a FAKE she truly is. Her mental ego got massaged a little bit and she probably needed it.

I would say there's nothing more I could do to her that she hasn't already done to herself, but the day is still young and her mouth so BIG. It matches her ass.

Moondance

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 01:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Zeb... I was constantly leaving you messages on the board to hang in there, support, etc... I just thought it would be an insult to you if I butted in. You handled yourself well and if it was too much for you, I would have stepped up to the plate. Again, hang in there, I love ya!

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 01:53 pm Click here to edit this post
You keep on mentioning my ass in your posts, Zeb. Do you have some sort of anal fixation?

What you guys think of me really doesn't matter.

Of course I care what you all think, but then again what you all think is merely a perception.

After all, Zeb did say I was "fake"...

Look at the way you have all treated me over the last two weeks. Then look at what each one of you wrote (with the exception of Roger...he is the only out of all of you who has any integrity). Look at how you all lied--treated me cordially, complimenting me--but all the while you were judging me.

Himay: all of the kind exchanges were all lies apparently. How sad. I thought you were being genuine.

And I guess Moon isn't the compassionate saint she would like everyone to believe she is.

I hope you have all learned something about yourselves.

Now please, continue insulting me...

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 01:56 pm Click here to edit this post
You would you stop portraying Zeb as being a f-cking victim, Moon? He isn't one.

Also, you forgot to give him a hug.

You are a total hypocrite.

Xenia

Friday, October 20, 2000 - 01:58 pm Click here to edit this post
Oh excuse me, I meant:

You are a total "aging" hyporcrite.