Archive through November 02, 2000
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Archive through November 02, 2000
Flint | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 05:21 pm  I have been away for a bit letting my arm heal some. For the last 2 weeks or so it has been very painful. So, Today I wanted check up on things, and see what I have missed. I gotta say I am very disappointed and disgusted. With the "people" who come here, and not with the Admin, Host, and Mods. Vykin won the game and should get the burner. Even though she said she didn't want it, I think she should be re-contacted and encouraged to accept it. Barring that, it should either go to Lisa or be returned. Everyone assumed she was a he, and you know what they say about assuming too much. It makes an A$$ out of U and ME. Most of the BS going on over this seems to be based on a few reasons. Sour grapes at "their" player not winning the game, or vindictiveness at not winning the game. A FEW people are probably honestly ticked off over the "gender lie" but that would be few and far between in my opinion. Then there are those who complain because they think Optics JUST joined, and isn't really a "member of our community". Oh yeah, and then after being told Optics had been around for a while they changed it to having a problem with his friends and family joining and voting, or some such nonsense. To put it the way one of them did: "those who became "members" but never really became a part of this community." You did know, the point of The Game was to give us something to do AND to attract NEW people to the site? Not just to promote some form of internet inbreeding. Also, people tend NOT to participate when anything and everything people are saying is being attacked. They tend to either stay silent, or leave and not come back. Now they are trying to drag Gail into the fray and slag her. This is being done based on supposition and unsubstantiated suspicions. Sort of like the stuff Adven39 posted to start off a lengthy round of recrimination and hate. I liked the part where he said: "Although I have no connection to anyone playing in the Game, I do receive e-mail from a variety of posters and lurkers. One such individual has sent me an e-mail that is disturbing and, I believe, true. This individual asked me not to disclose this information and, for doing so, I apologize. " F*ck apologizing to "the individual". You should apologize to Gail, and Neil, and everyone else. If you don't have PROOF, and the person doesn't have the testicular fortitude to speak up for themselves, then you should keep it to yourself. I could post ANYTHING about ANYONE and make a claim like Adven39 made. Hell, maybe I should. Why bother having to substantiate anything, just make accusations. It worked for the Salem Witch Hunt. Maybe I should post my suspicions without proof. or better yet, Gail should respond with supposition, or not waste her time on you at all. (Yes, you can be happy with yourself that a PART of the supposition was true. Vykin is really a woman. Oooooh, that is such a nasty secret. I suppose you can use that little bit of truth to vindicate yourself. Congrats.) Hell, some of these people currently on the warpath cheated themselves. When they get called on it they say that they had good intentions, They seem to feel that absolves them of any wrongdoing. HELLO!!! Everyone thinks they had the best of intentions, and the road to hell is paved with them. It isn't an excuse, and it is a piss poor reason in this case. There are times, and this is one of them, when I have no idea why Neil is running this place. He does it for free, using his own time, and in some cases his own money. Why? To make a place he has fun managing and people enjoy coming to. What happens when it stops being fun for him? Speaking for myself, at times I think I am dealing with children on here. Actually, that gives children a bad name. I had stopped reading just about anything to do with The Game, except for the Synchronicity and Tree thread. I spent my time in the members area, and I checked out the other areas from time to time. However, I even stopped doing that. The way things have been going I expect them to deteriorate too. Then we have the voting for the game. Some morons just can't handle seeing people enjoy themselves so they have to find a way to f*ck things up. It is almost impossible to escape from that type of person. There is usually a way if you REALLY want to prove what an a$$hole you are. Mind you there are then those on the other end of the spectrum. Some arschelockes can't just wait for the Admin to check into things and try to deal with it. God no. Instead they b*tch and whine to the admin on the board, in their email, and some wonderful a$$wipe even calls him at home to whine. They whine about having a re-vote, about the software being used, about whatever things they come up with in their little minds. If there is nothing real to go off on, they will make it up. In the end they just create more BS than was there before. Of course there is no way people could simply wait, see what is done, and then see what is going to be done and what there is to complain about. He!l no, that might actually make some f*cking sense. Yeah, I would REALLY feel happy about running a place with that BS going on, and the level of maturity exhibited by people. Neil can't even start areas promoting other reality shows/games without this BS going on. It is one thing to not like something and to state why. Instead you get idiots like Guruwhatever spewing out crap. Then again, if we don't need proof to make accusations what is the matter with doing that? Silly me. Or people starting to whine that the TVCH shouldn't be promoting the Voyeur Challenge. Why should Neil bother? One of the reasons why I didn't want anyone to know I was helping out with the Red Room stuff is because I didn't want to have to deal with any of that sh!t. So, I decide to help with the game in a small way. Since I am off work with an injury that allows me to do a very limited amount of computer work I have free time. Working on the RR stuff would give me a way to contribute, keep in touch with the site, and even maintain a small bit of my key board function. All i really wanted out of it was anonymity. I used to be an admin on an LPMud and I also know how people can act when you are, or they even think you are, an admin. That should have been easy enough. So, I get a chance to go away for a long weekend to visit a friend in the US. After being cooped up since June because of my arm, I really looked forward to the break. I even looked forward to "The Game" when I returned. UNTIL I returned. What happened while I was gone? All of a sudden Neil HAD to tell everyone that I was doing the RR stuff because of this mole crap. "Gee Flint isn't posting much, and hasn't been around for a while. He must be a mole!" Well, if you ACTUALLY knew me, or took the god damn time to ASK you would have known about my injury (which had a hell of a lot more to do with me not posting) and my trip. But of course, no one thought to try ASKING me first. Instead, Neil had to deal with a bunch of whining nerds because Gail was foolish enough to trust someone with her role in "The Game" (and based on how seriously some of you take it I use that term game very f*cking loosely). That led to her "outing". So to try and calm down what was really just a load of stupidity, Neil had to let people know what I was doing vis-a-vis The Game. C'est la vie, it really shouldn't be THAT big a deal. However, it seems to be symptomatic of the type of childishness that goes on. I get a kick out of people who wonder why I would want anonymity. Gee, lets see, so I don't have MORONS contacting me about crap on a frigging GAME and discussion board in real life. Like the person calling Neil at home. Or the numerous shitwits who email to complain about the game, or the board, or anything else. Someone asked me in the chat what would they complain about the RR posts. ANYTHING they can create in their warped little heads! I have had complaints about several things, such as the posts being biased against those I don't like. I haven't even mentioned who I would have liked to see win because I know some stupid piece of shit would seize on that for something to whine about. Why would I want anonymity? Why WOULDN'T I???? I had fun doing the Red Room reports, and being "Interrogator". It was amusing, entertaining, and a way for me to give back to a site that HAD given me so much enjoyment. Part of what kept it fun was not having to put up with the contact with morons that Neil has. Based on all the BS that has gone on, I will not be doing it again. I asked the question What happens when it stops being fun for Neil? That can also apply towards the regular posters. What happens? Well, they close things down, or leave, or a myriad of things. I know I would think twice about EVER holding The Game again, or doing anything else. Personally, I have had about all of this crap I can take. Right now I find myself wondering if I really want to be here anymore. The board has stopped being fun, and I have to figure out what I am going to do next. All I know for sure is that I won't be in The Game section of the board again. I am going to be letting my arm rest some more, watch my digital cable and see what happens from there. Quelle dommage. This has just been my frustration, disgust, and as always ... My 2 cents. |
Nikkid | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 05:38 pm  Flint - never focus on just the negatives... there has been alot of laughter around as well. I also have addressed the reason I'm "dragging" Gail into it. I have questions. Because you play your games with indifference and throw out the rule book, does not mean I wish to do so. But if that's the only option - FINE - it's not my call. But, I want to know! If I'm playing a game where I'm an active participant, and I'm spending my time (which I hardly have enough of as it is) involving myself in. I want to know the rules - If my participation does not matter - WHY THE HELL SHOULD I PLAY?! I can just as easily hang out in the members room as others did that did not play the game or participate. My 2 cents to yours = 4, think we can buy some bubblegum? |
Enbwife | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 05:45 pm  Do you feel better now Flint?  |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 05:47 pm  I think it can stop being fun if you take it too seriously or let other people who take it too seriously drag you down to their level. I try not to let that happen. |
Sbw | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 06:00 pm  Hey, if I add my 2 cents, here we will have over a nickel. From Vykin/Optics post yesterday - "Next Morning, at 7:30am, we were prepared. Host announced there is to be a ReVote. Host explained the reasons 500 voters and the number breakdown. My red flags went up. I had kept track of the voting through out the game. I checked the previous numbers. It didn't add up. It appeared that for whatever reason, there had been some occurance that had to do between her results and my results. Based on previous data, I did some more calcs. Then I was LIVID! " Flint/Interrogator - I am not ganging up on anyone. 1. I have said multiple times and I repeat here, so what if she was female. She didn't lie about it - her friends out here did. They did specifically use he/guy, etc. I really find that funny. 2. She had previously admitted to receiving info regarding repeated voting and stated it was accidental - hey it happened to others on the board, I can handle that. 3. She stated that she received accidental email about Ocean's NY Post article. I believed her. 4. She very inapprorpiately misstated Neil's email. (I don't like that. I hope she was hurting and read more into it than was there.) 5. Furthermore, I don't care if she joined the day she put in her application. I didn't see any limitations on that. However....she is the one that posted the above. IMO she has admitted to cheating. I don't like that. Maybe you are right, maybe it is time for some of us to move on. Personally I don't like the way she treated the other BGs or Host/Interrogator. You gave your time and energy to a project in good faith. It would have been nice if that faith had been repaid if by nothing else than a simple "I am sorry" rather than a skit to make a mockery of the situation. I am sorry she is hurt. She played a great game. She is probably one fantastic person - after all she had plenty of followers who took their time to cheer her on. I can commend her for that. |
Whatwillidonow | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 06:03 pm  Flint, I didn't post very often on this board. I became "hooked" during the BB days. I loved coming here and reading the posts and updates. I looked forward to "the game." I, too, had to take a break from reading the boards for awhile recently. A very wonderful woman and friend died of cancer. Cancer. Dead. These things are important. Life changing. Life-ending. When I came back here for some diversion, I was heartsick. The "things" people find important floor me. I am rambling on but all I really wanted to do was to thank you Flint for saying what I was thinking. By the way, I hope your arm feels better soon. Take good care. |
Azriel1104 | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 06:17 pm  Flint, you've worked hard to make this a great place to be. I'm sorry you are so upset by what you see on the board. I think most of us came here because we were intrigued by the interaction of human beings and we wanted to comment on their behavior and how we felt about it. With BB we all had widely different views about the HGs behavior and most of us were vocal with our viewpoint. We reacted differently to things that occured in the house. Some people viewed everything lightly and others were deeply affected by things and most of us were in the middle. I thought this place was great because it was a place for all of us. I found this great group of people that could disagree in one thread and laugh together in another. I think there is still room for people that feel different about what happened in The Game. I don't see how anyone is hurting the board if they feel differently or more deeply about this subject than I do. I'm about ready to find something new to comment on too, but I don't care if someone is still talking about this months from now. If they feel more deeply than I do about the subject or they don't want to move on, it doesn't bother me. If it's something I don't want to comment on anymore, then I'll just ignore the comment or thread and move on my merry way. |
Misslibra | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 06:20 pm  Flint, I think you make some excellent points. Some of the behavior that went on yesterday was enough to run some people away from these boards. And some of what you said had me laughing so hard my side is hurting now. Internet inbreeding never heard of it before but I love it ! Hey, isn't that against the law ?? |
Lafatme | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 07:07 pm  flint, you did a great job as interrogator. i enjoyed your role in the game greatly. i'm sorry you feel as you do now, but you have a right to your opinions, as do i. regarding your post, the poster you referred to was me. i posted "she never was part of this community" and i object to it's being taken out of context. there was a point i was trying to make, perhaps you missed it. further, your post goes on to complain about other things, none of which apply to me. i never emailed neil, lisa, or anyone else running this board. i never cared what gender anyone is. i think the burner should go to vyk too. i only disliked one person here, and she is now gone-i have a right to dislike someone. this person brought it on herself with her arrogance, she didn't apologize, neither will i. i am not a child, nor am i acting like one. in fact, your post seems rather childish in itself, especially the language. i can live with it if you can. it was just a game, i don't care who won, what they won, who they are, how they won, or why they won-got it? I DON'T CARE i do care that so many of us put our hearts into this thing and were treated with disrespect-PERIOD!!! i think you can understand that, flint. just don't go referring to me as if i'm to blame. i will take any responsibility for anything i did, but not for things i didn't do. today, for what it's worth, i can honestly say i don't dislike ANYONE here. as a result of the game there a quite a few people who i genuinely do like. i am grateful for that. on a personal note flint, i hope you and i can be okay, you've actually been one of my favorites on this board. |
Notbored | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 07:14 pm  Flint, very well said. I agree with all of your points. And I think that your post is worth much more than two cents. I have been amazed at the anger expressed within the posts in this group. I hope that the posters who have shown so much anger can handle things in their "real" lives with a little more tact than they have here. Hopefully, posters here who know and respect you will appreciate what you have pointed out and move on. Hope your arm heals quickly. |
Noslonna | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 07:54 pm  Right on. Your words are worth far more than  |
Guruchaz | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 08:10 pm  Speaking of supporting the site, you didn't even support The Game 100%. Nice touch hypocrite. I guess there goes Flint to slink off in the nothingness. I know I'll miss him. Shhhhhh. Here's a secret Flint: The site isn't going to close down just because you have a temper tantrum and leave. Seek sympathy elsewhere.  |
Adven39 | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 08:26 pm  Flint, I understand your anger toward me and the "Expose Vykin" thread I started. Like many of us here, I appreciate the time and commitment you have put into the board. I have also enjoyed your posts - with the exception of the one above, which is not my favorite. I did not say I could not substantiate the allegations I made. I said I would not. I did find myself behind a rock and a hard place with the information I was given. It was thorough and complete. I considered keeping it to myself, as you suggested I should, for the reasons you suggested I should. I knew, however, that Vykin and some of her supporters had lied, cheated, attacked those who did not support her, manipulated the vote, showed little respect for this site or the other posters on it, etc.... I did not suspect this. I knew it. I posted those allegations because I, too, enjoy this site and the people on it and I was not prepared to sit on this information for my own convenience, realizing what had taken place. I was aware that it would open up a can of warms and lead to anger and recrimination, but that is often the residue of an unpleasant truth. As for the "testicular fortitude" of the writer of the e-mail I received, that person remains in contact with me, and provided that information knowing that I might post all or part of it. He/She has done so at considerable risk to his/her own relationship with his/her acquaintances, as well. You might ask yourself why Optics, whose character has already been shown to be questionable, didn't simply lie last night and refute everything I had alleged. To me, it was simply because she knew what information might be floating around out there and couldn't without running the risk of being proven a liar. Her only option was to put her own spin on it or ignore it - and she is too narcissistic to do that. Instead of coming clean, apologizing and playing a role in bringing some harmony back to the board, she chose to put on a self-indulgent side show designed to keep her in the spotlight. As for the proof you require, you aren't going to get it. There are larger issues for the writer of the e-mail than an internet game. I would suggest, however, that most of what was alleged has already been shown to be true. You can make up your own mind, based on that, if the rest of it is. I am no happier than you are, Flint, with what has taken place. In this instance, however, I think you're shooting the messenger. |
Noslonna | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 08:44 pm   |
Adven39 | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 08:47 pm  You again!! |
Noslonna | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 08:53 pm  You noticed? ! |
Adven39 | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 08:58 pm  How could I not? I've been running into that bewildered little guy all day. |
Noslonna | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 09:18 pm  funny how the lil (crap) guy follows you around. |
Adven39 | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 09:23 pm  It's been a lifelong thing, actually - crap following me around, that is. I did like him better when I thought he was bewildered, but, that too, has followed me around most of my life. |
Noslonna | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 09:26 pm  Perhaps you need a dude license to practice human psychology. |
Adven39 | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 09:32 pm  I've got one of those and it's only made the crap and bewilderment worse. |
Guruchaz | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 10:01 pm  Like last night? |
Noslonna | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 10:02 pm  You know what they say aboot shrinks --  |
Guruchaz | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 10:08 pm  uh huh huh huh I lie it aloh. You roh.  |
Lafatme | Thursday, November 02, 2000 - 10:24 pm  thanks once again adven. at least i now know i wasn't nuts. i'm glad you posted what you did, it took courage. |
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