Archive through October 23, 2000
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Archive through October 23, 2000
Digilady | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:18 pm  So, Wendy lost a friend over this Game? For "acting" and playing as she saw fit? That's a sad statement. Wendy, you made several more (not that that helps, but tis true.) |
Lafatme | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:23 pm  wendy typed words on a keyboard, period. she didn't hit anyone, kill anyone, hurt anyone, etc. words, in and of themselves, are not vulgar. they're just words. the meaning one attaches to words may be vulgar but the intention of the speaker must be taken into consideration. i don't believe for a second that wendy had any bad intentions. she was just trying to be interesting, and she was. |
Jana | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:36 pm  so....you can say whatever you want, no matter how hurtful, but it is ok if it is "acting" or "just playing a game" so...just typing on the keyboard can't be hurtful so....words are not vulgar in and among themselves.... well, i'll give her interesting....i mean, O.J. Simpson is "interesting" , Heidi Fleiss is "interesting"..... i guess you guys just have thicker skins than i do.....hope the players do as well.... hmmmmm dry fvcking someone with a dildo....thats not vulgar because it is just words....ok....gotcha...i'm sure she meant it in a "nice" way |
Gail | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:37 pm  I would sure hope that people here don't hold things against Wendy for the way she played the game. Sure . . I had a nightmare or two about that 12 inch strap on dildo but that was in the game . . not out here. Xenia got some thought very provoking posts out of several of the players. She even said in her application she was going to try to cause trouble. Sure, she might have stepped over the line here and there but that's just the way she has always been on the board. I didn't really like the way she made insinuations against Zeb but once I saw her motivation, I understood a little better. She just wanted to see if anyone was going to defend him. On the gameboard though, it is difficult to get any passionate emotions because of the time between posts. You have too much time to think and too many areas to wonder around to. But, it is when someone defends you that you find out who your friends are - as I discovered when I was saying my goodbyes. She took a lot bites out of Vykin's ass but he actually enjoyed it. She made him laugh. To be honest, much of what she said made me laugh. Vive la difference. If nobody on this board caused a little trouble, it would be boring. Can't have that now, can we? Welcome back!! |
Jana | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:38 pm  oh and....hmmm accusing someone of abuse....well, if she SAID it, now that would be wrong, but just typing it on a keyboard....just words...well and it was just in the spirit of the game after all...maybe this just isn't the right "game" for me to be involved in then..... |
Jana | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:43 pm  ok, Gail, I KNOW that you cheated throughout the whole game (not really, just want to see who will defend you) what fun! |
Lafatme | Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:55 pm  jana, i don't know that i have a thicker skin than you. maybe i do. i'm also sorry that you found xenia's words offensive. it's my personal opinion that too many people in this country are far too offended by far too many things.not a day goes by that some group is offended by something somebody said. i find it to be ridiculous. it's time for americans to get a tougher skin and stop being so wimpy over evry little statement they find "offensive" my mother taught me that "sticks and stones may break my bones but WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME" it's still true today. there are REAL grievances which need our attention and we spend too much time being distracted by words. this post is not meant to be a slam on you jana, you are entitled to your opinion and i truly sympathize if you were really hurt by what wendy said. i am not advocating that type of behaviour, just saying it's time for us to stop ALLOWING it to hurt us. let's be hurt over child and elderly abuse, homelessness, gun violence, etc. these are really hurtful to mankind. wendy is not. |
Nadi | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 05:23 am  Jana, I have to say that I agree with you. I found the posts regarding abuse and the ones about the d*ldo offensive and not the least bit funny. Furthermore had a male game player made those same remarks about raping a female member it would be a whole different story. Its funny that some of the same people who are so critical of Vykin and question his integrity are so quick to excuse and defend Wendy. Its ok to slam Vykin or post negative things about him but if you are offended by Wendy's posts in the house you are wimpy and ridiculous! Lmao it surprises me that people buy the excuse that she only posted charges of abuse to see who would come to his defense. She obviously doesn't like the guy, she's been bickering with him and then boom out of the goodness of her heart she decides to post all the posts about him being an abuser to see who would come to his defense? |
Vasix | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 07:49 am  I agree with Jana. I also say that forgiveness is important and I think Wendy/Xenia should benefit from forgiveness. I do not, and will not, accept that "words are only words" and playing is just playing. I understand that people live by that motto but I do not. Jana you are not the only one disappointed by such puerile nonsense as spewed out in the name of the game as Xenia did. We may be in the minority here on the boards but since words don't hurt anyone let me say this: Wendy/Xenia The world is what you make it, your words as a writer will out live you. Lack of respect for yourself is no excuse to act recklessly towards others. And if one of the male players threatened a FEMALE player with such graphic violence we would have all been rightfully outraged. It makes no difference that Xenia was female or acting. She was wrong. And her "game" of accusing Zeb was inherently vile. Too much of her talent is wasted on poor judgements and foolish choices. But she need not rest uneasy because she has friends that will patiently and lovingly wait for her to heal and mature. Best of luck Wendy, I hope you find tranquility. |
Norwican | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 08:04 am  I totally agree with Jana and Vasix... I am now sorry that I wasn't around over the weekend to share in the posts with Jana. |
Echo | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 08:23 am  I too Jana and Vasix agree with you. As a person who at one time had to deal with abuse, the things that were said for "fun" was very hurtful. And as alot of people know mental abuse is alot worse than physical because it just keeps going and don't stop. |
Twiggyish | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 09:04 am  If words were as harmful as stated, then I would be offended by Guru's statement. I am no sucker. This forum is for opinions and I stated mine. There are some good points stated here from both sides. I still feel Wendy owes no apologies. |
Vasix | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 09:30 am  Twiggy: I believe Wendy has apologized for overstepping the line and earlier in the game she also apologized for being in error. So that shows to me that Wendy is aware of the power of her words even when she was playacting as Xenia. And I don't waste any energy on the apologies I am "owed", I'd prefer to focus my energy on making ammends to those I have hurt. I'm ready to let the Xostile Thing to go quietly into the night. And yes Guru does have an impulsive way of speaking and he would be much more funny if his opening sputterings didn't assault the senses of decorom and respect. He still cracks me up but you are right, he needn't call us names. Guru has just got to be in the next game and Nor and Nos and Lafatme. I would not be able to stop laughing! It would be like a 24/7 riot! And if we threw in a few of the ChatB's we'd have a great mix. |
Lafatme | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 10:24 am  vas, excuse me? you said xenia threatened a player with violence? vas, it's a virtual game! no violence can take place, the players are not really together in a house! IT CAN'T HAPPEN. when ralph kramden said "to da moon alice" did anyone really believe he had any intention, or the ability, to knock her all the way to the moon? a threat is not a threat if the power to perform it doesn't exist. in "search for the holy grail" the black knight threatened to "bite your kneecaps off" after having his arms and legs chopped off in a fight, was it gross? perhaps, was it funny, YES! was archie bunker offensive? to most people. was he funny? YES! this is no different, it isn't REAL, it's fiction. it is not threatening, it's fiction. george carlin once used the word c*cks*cker onstage and the audience groaned, carlin said "don't get mad at me for SAYING IT, half of you will be going home and DOING IT tonight" just SAYING something is not offensive, DOING it is. that is what i mean when i say it's just words. some people are taking this WAY too seriously. |
Vasix | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 10:36 am  Lafatme: it was the tone and violence of the threat that made it different than Ralph Cramden's obviously humorous and improbable "To the Moon, Alice" although your point is taken that that was "acceptable" back then. I think Xenia's posts crossed the line and if you didn't thats okay. I believe you have stated you have spent some time in comedy clubs and I'm sure you tolerances are higher than mine. Like I said, I'm older and more conservative and I think threatening rape, attacking someone's family, and posting false charges of abuse ("for a laugh") crossed my line. I'll respectfully wave to you at your position on the other side of that line. Now back to grins and giggles. |
Karuuna | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 10:51 am  The pain of a broken limb is gone when the limb heals. But the knowledge that someone broke that arm in anger, that they willfully acted to hurt you, is a pain that takes much longer to heal and may in fact, never heal. Words have power. They cause us to admire some people and fear others. They can cause us to doubt ourselves, or to feel loved and important. They bring resolution to problems, and they create them. They make us laugh and they make us cry. I don't know why Wendy chose to "play" the game the way she did. My best guess is that she has carried a great deal of pain in her life, and allowed that to come out in this game. I don't think anyone is capable of "acting" some way that they haven't had experience with. I don't think what she did was appropriate, but I'm not willing to condemn her for it, since she herself admits she's not proud of her behavior. Like Vasix, I do hope for her own sake that she finds a way to find some peace within herself. |
Digilady | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 12:25 pm  Has it occurred that she played the way she did, because she considered it a "Playing a Game"? Perhaps not the way some of you consider playing, which is your right. However, this =is= a "Welcome Back Wendy" thread, not one for bashing. Start your own for that, or better yet: give it a rest. All that has been said here has been repeated ad nauseum. Yes, someone got hurt out of this. Someone you don't see posting anymore. Give it a =rest=! (Please) |
Vasix | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 02:00 pm  Digi Didn't know you joined the Thread Police. Lots of the threads wander, this one did too. Sorry if we sullied Wendy's welcome back thread. |
Ocean_Islands | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 02:05 pm  Speaking of Wendy, where is the lil' darlin'? |
Adven39 | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 02:32 pm  Sharpening her Red Rocket and buying a belt strap for when Vykin comes out. |
Digilady | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 02:39 pm  Thread police? ROFLMAO! MOI?? Oc: from what I heard, she's not a happy camper. Give her a while, she'll be back. Vas: that kinda answer your quesion too? LOL Adven! |
Noslonna | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 02:51 pm  Wendy is the someone that "got hurt out of this." Xenia is not a real person. Wendy is. She does not deserve to be bashed in her Welcome Back messages. Try to seperate the game player from the real person. I agree with Laf about words can never hurt you (physically as sticks and stones) but they can hurt her feelings. |
Jana | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 02:58 pm  I'm glad to see that some of you had the guts to stand beside me and speak your mind. I hear people say you should have a thicker skin...get used to it...and then the next time a boundary is pushed you will also be expected to.....sad I hear people say it wasn't a real threat because the threat wasn't feasible...however i found the words stated vulgar in an of themselves , threat or not.... It's just a game, true......should that excuse one from making false allegations purely for entertainment value? then i suppose if i was playing a "game" with you Digilady, it would be ok, if i announced to everyone that I heard that you had just had an abortion....i mean its not really true..its just words typed on a board, and then should i take it further and chastise the other players when they do not come to your defense? ridiculous....everyone is entitled to their own opinions...but the line of what is and is not acceptable is being pushed a little further every day and i fear the kind of world i will have to bring my children up in when people start accepting lewd and malicious behavior...simply stating that it was all in fun and that those who were offended must learn to "toughen up" and get used to this kind of behavior IMHO |
Jana | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 03:01 pm  oh please Noslonna....she's allowed to dish it and dish it, but she sure doesn't like to take it does she? I will not separate Xenia from Wendy because HELLO, ITS THE SAME PERSON! Perhaps now she will learn to treat others as she would like to be treated herself. |
Norwican | Monday, October 23, 2000 - 03:09 pm  You go Jana... That's the bottom line. Don't dish it out of you can't take it (don't write checks your a$$ can't cash.. ala Eddy). You reap what you sow... so if she's unhappy... maybe next time she'll think about what she's planting out there. Sorry about all the "cliches"... I got a little carried away  |
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