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Snave | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:30 am  Because it stopped being fun. Because the urge to create/communicate/narrate that kept me posting live feeds dried up w/r/t The Game. Because I don't enjoy being cruel, even in self-defense, and if I remained, I would've had to have started hitting a lot harder than I already did. I tend to hit back twice as hard once I'm attacked. Finally, the 'Real Life' factor keeps rearing its ugly head--in the form of a new work-deal that will require all my attention, writing, and some travel--and I simply don't have the time or inclination to play anymore. Notwithstanding the weak and jealous criticism of spineless, grab-asstic chumps like Guruchaz, who haven't the brainpower or facility with language to read a post longer than seven words, there you have the reasons, in all their un-dramatic glory. Not exactly an epic tale of love and betrayal, but it'll have to do. It's been fun, but this will be the last time I'll be logging on. Best wishes to everyone (even my detractors!) on the board. I sincerely enjoyed the community that emerged out of the BB experience--it was a privilege to be a part of that. Perhaps we'll meet again if there's a live-feed section for BB2. Bye. /snave |
Noslonna | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:41 am  Snave I was sorry to see you go but I agree. It doesn't seem like much fun. Would you consider doing some Live Feeds for The Game? You could make it sound fun or at least make me laugh! |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:43 am  So you quit because of criticism on the site? You must have been lurking and breaking the rules, then. I'm sorry your feelings were hurt. Your "never going to log on again" threat is suspect and I wonder why you left this message at all. I'm also puzzled as to why you didn't wish your fellow game players goodbye, or did I simply not see that message? |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 09:46 am  Let me add also that you squandered an opportunity to play the game and be featured as a game player -- which was an opportunity that many of us -- all who applied -- would have liked very much to have. |
Whit4you | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 10:02 am  Take this from someone who's been online for many years (have met over 120 of my online friends live) Anyone who cares enough about a group of people to come in and make a melodromatic speach about "never coming back to this room/board/newsgroup" isn't really "gone-for-good" at that point. So rest assured he will at least be reading this thread. Most eventually break down and start communicating again (face the "gee thought you were leaving" comments they will then hear) Some change names and just take it from there. Sounds like he's got alot of RT duties that will keep him busy but I have a feeling he will be back when something here catches his attention again. Based on what little I do know about him I don't think it'll be under a new identity, think he can take a few "gee thought you left us" comments. I do think he whimp'd out here. If RL was taking up too much of his time, all he would have had to have said is, I can only do the minimum requirements here and will take being banished like a gentleman. Rather then critize the players and the game itself for not fitting his needs. Bugs me too - because I would really have enjoyed being in his shoes. I am very verbose and could definately have done my part to make sure the house wasn't "boring" LOL The thing bugging me though is - in an attempt to not be "boring" I think they are all being a little too serious, I think that's what they think WE want. But the best parts of BB to me were things like Curtis trying to catch Josh rigging the clock. I would like to see a few of them lighten up - joke around - play a few tricks on the others. Write a script for a comedy, or have a holloween party where they each come in incog (with the host knowing who's really who) and all try and guess each others identities. Or have a pre chrismas party - where they give each other some symbolic gift - based on what they know of each others personality and what they might each need/want. FUN STUFF Whit |
Sandyc | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 10:06 am  Host. Can we put Ocean Islands in the game and see how long he'll last? Some of us here will miss you Snave. Your posts are always interesting and usually fun (even your angry ones) and, I for one, can't blame you for getting angry. Just reading this board takes a lot of time, let alone having to post too. So good luck with your new work and hope to see you soon. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 10:14 am  I believe there is no dishonor in quitting a GAME that has ceased being fun and has brought out a side of someone's personality that distresses them. Face it, the level of obligation and commitment to a game do not compare with the level of obligation and commitment to oneself and real life. "To thine own self be true." |
Adven39 | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 12:41 pm  I don't particularly blame Snave/Mantastic for wanting to leave the game - it has mutated into something that is a little toxic. I do have three criticisms, though. First, if you agree to start something, I think there is some obligation to see it through to the end. He could have kept his contributions to a minimum while awaiting banishment. Second, although the reasons he has given may have played a role in his decision to quit, I think petulance played an equal role. Third, his comments to Xenia and Arreal in particular, were not the normal put downs you see elsewhere on the board. He used his considerable vocabulary and superior writing skill to come up with the most personal and insulting comments he could muster. Those weren't "in the heat of the moment" retorts. He took his time crafting those. |
Noslonna | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 12:58 pm  Eddie said he would walk out of Big Brother if he thought it would change him. I admired him for that. Fortunately he got his thinking together again before he lost his uniqueness. However, he was playing for something very important to him, his family. The Game is really only for our amusement and even with the great new prize it is not worth losing self respect over. Snave admitted that he would be "hitting a lot harder" if he remained and stated he did not like to be cruel. I respect him for backing out when he knew it was not worth his self respect to remain. |
Digilady | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 01:20 pm  Your third point, Adven, is well-taken. Perhaps that is what Snave refers to in his note above: he knew he crossed the line. I agree that once you up for something, you stick to it. Kinda like giving your word. |
Wcv63 | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 01:46 pm  Okay, let's try to put all this into perspective. Yes giving your word to participate does obligate you to a certain extent however, what are the consequences if you back out? Will the remaining players suffer for it? Does it somehow cheat the viewers? Okay maybe someone who was not picked could have an opportunity to participate but in the scheme of things is that really all that important? Snave stated he did like to be cruel and find himself being that way. Is it a sign of weakness that he removed himself to protect himself and his fellow gameplayers from this side of personality? I think it was a sign of strength that he recognized and acted on this. He also stated RL obligations that should certainly take precedence over a game. Okay, one last thing. I don't know Snave and only know the facts as they have been posted on this board. I am presenting my beliefs and my own opinions on the subject. I allow that others may feel differently and certainly that is your right. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 02:04 pm  It would have been more respectable and deserving of respect if he had stayed in the game, admitted his regret, and found a way to make up for it. Running away from it doesn't inspire anything in us the spectators, and I can't imagine it inspires anything in Snave. That's why I don't totally buy what he is saying. I believe he went onto the discussion site, saw that some people didn't love his writing and expanded postings, and got his feelings hurt. Then he didn't want to play anymore. |
Sbw | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 02:44 pm  There are three ways if a participant wants to leave the game that I can see - 1. Quit. 2. Participate in a way that you know you will be nominated and banished. 3. Ask people to nominate and vote for you regardless of your actions. Why is quitting the least "honorable" way out or is it the most honorable? |
Guruchaz | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:28 pm  Oh, I imagine Snave Lametastic is awaiting my post before he communicates again. Obviously, he had already planned to use "work" as an excuse and saw my postings. I can understand someone not posting as much because the game is no longer fun to them, but not all out quitting. As for the verbage I use in my posts, at least I have a plotline people can understand. You, Snave, are a pu$$y with very weak character. You are a QUITTER. If you never show your lame ass here again, it'll be too soon. I hope all spelling and punctuation was to your satisfaction. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:33 pm  The insult 'quitter' is extremely lame. He does have a right to quit, doesn't he? Yes. |
Guruchaz | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:33 pm  Wcv63, I understand how you have chosen someone in the game to stand up for, but you are pretty much standing up for a quitter, a guaranteed loser, somone who cracks at the sign of pressure. Sad. |
Guruchaz | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:36 pm  Eddie still has a lot to learn. What's wrong with a little change? He treats it like a disease. Eddie had strong character, but he didn't know sh1t about some things either. |
Guruchaz | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:41 pm  OI, Everyone has the right to quit, but the more you quit then the easier it is when rough things happen to you in life. Snave is a QUITTER and this just weakens his already weak character even more. He shouldn't have signed up in the first place and now he's screwed other applicants out of it. |
Echo | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:43 pm  We will miss you very much Snave!!! Get a life Guruchaz. Snave has been very contributing to this board and shouldn't have to listen to the insults that you are throwing. People do have feelings. |
Guruchaz | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:50 pm  I agree. We on the outside have feelings about people who quit. They Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Period. He screwed someone else's chance to get in the game. |
Lafatme | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:14 pm  a few thoughts: i have no ill feelings about snave. he had a choice to make and he made it. i, too, wanted to be in the game. i am a comedian and i think i would have added some humor to it, but i rescinded my app because i realized that i would not be available more than a few hours on some days. i thought more was required. overall, i'm enjoying watching the others but i too think they should "above all, have fun" snave, it's okay out here. we'd like you to stick around. |
Katie | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:23 pm  Yeah Snave stick around as time permits! |
Wcv63 | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:34 pm  Guru...I was looking at the bigger picture. Are you? Put a little perspective on things and try to maintain an open mind. If you still disagree then fine. We can agree to disagree. Being diplomatic does require a little more mental energy than attacking. What happened to the kinder, gentler Guru you promised in the Suggestions thread? Too much work? |
Wink | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:44 pm  Ahh Guru back to your Tukuul fugue are we? You had us all worried there for about 5 seconds. |
Adven39 | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:53 pm  Guruchaz, some might think that your posting 5 times in the space of 22 minutes, on the same topic, might indicate that Snave isn't the only one who, to use your words, "cracks at the sign of pressure." |
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