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Whit4you | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:07 pm  Neil, I want to thank you for the time you've taken to put this game together. It's been a major learning experience. I for one feel totally a part of the game, not just a watcher. It's surreal as I've mentioned. There's a few things I'd like to say - first I think it's awesome that you went so far out of your way to make sure we all knew asap that you made a mistake in answering Yes to the Vykin question (re him being more then one person) Your human you make mistakes it's all ok with us. But I hope you think to apologize to Vykin personally - and please let him know you posted it to every thread over here so that ALL the viewers found out as soon as you realized your mistake. 2nd - as far as Gail is concerned, I think she had every right to play the game and TOTALLY understand why she did so incog. However by bending (breaking in my opinion) the rules by outside contact with another guest, I believe she should apologize for her remarks about ArReal, publicly. I think it's important that with the outside information that ArReal recived from Gail and the position it put her in that she know ASAP that many (or the majority if I might speculate) feel that she was put in a bad position and admire her for "coming clean" - This is just a game yes, but she IS a real person, with real feelings and I can totally imagine how she's been feeling the last few days. Since a breach was made once with outside contact, I think another breach is in order - in letting her know that some (many?) of those on the outside were just as shocked by the position she was put in. Ok? I think you are awesome, and I really really appreciate the time you've put into this. I feel this all is PART of the game as it is developing, and anyone who judges YOU for anything regarding any difficulties in this need to find another playground to play in instead of the one you've built for those who CHOOSE to participate in it. I know you are very busy and I am sorry this is so wordy but I feel like my input to you is important. I think personally that you should tell the BGs in a email that you are only human and from day one this game was an experiment, and that for some reason not everyone understood the no-outside contact rule, apologize perhaps for the oversite of not making it blatantly clear (It was to most of us I thought). See what I am saying? Real people with REAL feelings are involved here and there is now way you could forsee every possible outcome but it now appears an oversite in the "rules" caused some hurt feelings. I think it would really help soothe them if you take some responsibility for that. Would make ArReal realize she wasn't the bad guy here, would make Gail realize that while she broke the rules here - we acknowledge the possiblilty that it was do to the rules not being clear enough. Neil I hope you are not regretting making this game. It is all totally fascinating for those of us involved. Not sure about the others but I totally feel a PART of the game, the OUTSIDE is as much a "game" as the inside. Please don't regret the decision to make this game - no matter what happens. I do think however - that we are in unchartered territory here however, and unless things calm down VERY quickly a "Curtis" type night out should be in order. Find 3 or 4 "outsiders" who like/care about each houseguest, and you join them for a chat with that guest. Give them some encouragement - make sure they really are "ok" and so on and so forth. I have avoided outright saying this - but I think it needs to be said - read between these lines ok? If you can't then please contact me. the lines --> Do you remember the huge news story that took place when Survivor first started? About a contestant playing the survivor game in another country, and his actions after the game ended? Ok hopefully you understand where I am coming from on that. I've alluded to this on another thread and a few others agreed with me that we are in unknown territory and seem to agree with my concerns. I am NOT trying to scare you or imply this could happen here in ANY way. There's 2 differences here 1) These guys are not truely isolated - and are not facing national humiliation and 2) These BGs are not being watched by professionals to ensure they really ARE ok. So why am I saying all this? Taking up so much of your time? I think it's important to do so. I think unless things calm down a bit (at least for a little while...3 days to a week so that they can get some perspective) Then I think since non of us are professionals a GROUP of us should spend some one-on-one time with each guest to make sure they are *OK* I believe they all are OK now but - I really don't know how far we can take this game if it continues to get nasty before making sure everyone really IS ok. I am sure many people here are thinking (if they read between those lines and understand what I mean) That I'm totally blowing this out of proportion. Well I've said my peice. Neil I thank you again for all you've done here. Whit |
Nikkid | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:11 pm  Geeze Whit - I enjoy your posts but... WHERE IS THE MENTION OF HER POSTING OVER HERE? Check the Outside information thread. I'm feeling cheated and manipulated. |
Whit4you | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:16 pm  Well, I personally don't think her one post over here when the game first started is as much of an ethical issue (defiantely more of a RULE breaking issue however) So I'm not dealing with it personally. My concern is that Neil understand we appreciate him, and anyone involved KNEW it was not a tested/ and tried, that we are ALL guinea pigs willingly in this. But more then that my concern is that a few of these REAL live people may end up having some REAL live anger/depression/emotional issues - if things don't LIGHTEN up for a while ASAP. I am local to ArReal and unless these things do happen asap I'm going to send an Email requesting that he give her MY phone # (NOT to discuss this game in ANY way - but just to let her know that she's not alone, that she's not IN the wrong here and that she does have support etc) Whit |
Ocean_Islands | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:19 pm  Whit, we all want to see the game continue, and so do Webmaster & Co. They are having a blast, I assure you. So this is no time for brown nosing. |
Nikkid | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:23 pm  Miss mod in question brought up the issue of ethics herself while completely bashing Arreal. I have nothing but admiration for Neil if he does what's right and addresses this situation. If it continues in this vein, I believe the winner is already picked out, and there is not reason for myself to continue participating. |
Whit4you | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:25 pm  Well I believe that unless Gail is able to believe that she was in the wrong for putting Arreal in this position and publicly apologize and then leaves it up to THOSE in the house (2 others at least who have broken the rule) should be allowed to then vote for her to stay or not (totally anonymously) If she's not willing to understand the position the put ArReal in and apologize then I think she should be asked to resign, then forced to if she refuses. Whit |
Admin | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:40 pm  I've been struggling to read everything on the board about all this. I've been reading and posting for the last 3.5 hours. The only thing I regret is breaking everyone's trust. This 'community' has become important to me, and I don't want to jeopardize your trust. By allowing Gail to create a second ID called Ryder, we broke the rules, a very important one that I strongly frown upon when someone else tries to break it. But in the same breath I feel we had our reasons. In hindsight they don't seem to valid, but at the time they did. Gail is a very important part of the TV ClubHouse and the Big Brother Fan Club. Without her this place would have crumbled. Her disclosures of the hours she's spent are true, I've been here more than her and know when she's here. In the height of BB we were getting over 100 new users a day, I was getting over 120 emails a day and the board was getting thousands of posts a day. They were not all nice, and amidst all this we had to move the whole website a few times and were learning about discussion boards, and this discussion board in particular! It was totally nuts for a while there! I appreciate your positive support, but I will admit one thing is bothering me with all of my apologies and explanations. Gail did post in the live feeds after the game started and I have not addressed this issue. Why? Because I'm not sure what to do just yet. |
Lafatme | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:43 pm  whit, i think your post is intelligent. this game can be fun, but people's minds are involved. i don't really care that gail posted out here ONCE, but i care that she COULD. she also had a chance to read what we're posting. i think bygones should be bygones and the game should continue. but i want to hear that lessons have been learned from this and efforts have been, or are being, made to assure it won't repeat itself. i think a clarification of all rules is in order for the BGs as well as the viewers. i also think consequences for breaking the rules should be made crystal clear and implemented quickly if it becomes necessary again. in other words, a warning this time, banishment from the game next time. |
Misslibra | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:54 pm  How about if he let them nominated again, and then letting us vote again ?? Wouldn't that be fair ? What do you guys think ? |
Wcv63 | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:54 pm  Lafatme and Whit I agree with you. Admin I empathize with you. |
Nikkid | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 07:55 pm  No way Lafatme - I generally agree with your posts %100. She of all people should have had higher standards. I will refrain with the rest of what I think. Neil - thank you for answering, this really is bothering some of us. |
Katie | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 08:15 pm  I appreciate all Gail and all of the other moderator time and work. I have moderated a board myself and because of that I am sure that it was a lot for them. However something just doesn't feel right about this. I think we should start the nomination and voting over. That would clear the field and leave everyone equal. That would totally leave it up the the BG of if they think it is important and then the fans. |
Nikkid | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 08:32 pm  I agree Katie - I'm with you on the moderation. It's a thankless job, and you are accused of everything under the sun. But not only does this feel wrong - It's posted wrong. Talis posted some hateful stuff and supposedly came clean with the WG's - wrong! She said nothing about coming out here and posting. |
Host | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:08 pm  The voting poll has been re-set to zero and will be open for voting until 3:00 p.m. PST Monday. A live chat with the Players will be held at 7:00 p.m. PST on Monday night, at which time the one banished Player will be announced to the Players. Please vote. |
Guruchaz | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:13 pm  Man, I can't tell if the SNAFU is in the game or outside the game. WTF? Xenia's bitching must be contagious. |
Lafatme | Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:25 pm  katie, neil explained elsewhere that gail, originally as the mole, was to have access to this board. that is why she was able to post here. after that post she informed neil she wanted to play by the same rules as the others, and i believe her access no longer exists. i can understand that. okay, they tried something, decided it wasn't a good idea, and have now corrected it. everyone makes mistakes. owning up to them and correcting them should be respected. give them another chance, i don't think it will happen again. |
Riviere76 | Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:35 am  Shoot, I spend an eve away and look at all this.. Can't explain why, but I voted Wed. and Talisker was one, something just off with her posts and being a manchaser or some boring Jordan crap, she didn't even 'fit' the bio she gave. So she's a mole. Not surprised hearing no Game 2 is planned anymore. Neil et al have worked hard on this to keep us amused, as well as providing all our best bonds to BB, but hearing the Game was skewed this way is a disappointment. My app. was honest and I've always said I'd never play under an assumed name, if I can't be me in real life much less win a silly game as myself, why bother? Maybe nobody working here had faith the members would do fine alone, who knows why this was planned & agreed to have a moderator play. All I can say is I liked Gail better as herself, and I didn't much care for the Talisker act & things as they've gone. Yeah, I'll try to play along, but I'm not changing any of my votes, apparently I had good intuition the first time around. |
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