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Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:43 pm  I remember going to him after I read the letter. He looked at me and said "How can you stand to look at me. I am so digusting." Then he burried his head in his hands and bawled. I put my arms around him, told him I loved him and held him while he cried. |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:47 pm  I was more upset at him for lying to me all those nights away from home. I didn't really ever feeled betrayed. I felt very confused. It was a tough timefor both of us. We remained married for another 8 months. I flew home to visit my family and never went back. I loved him the day I left him as I do now. One of the best men I ever knew. |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:50 pm  I am about to cry ... a beautiful but hard story... I am too, so sorry for him feeling ashame of who he was and I am sad that you were hurt. |
Xenia | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:52 pm  Here are my thoughts about homosexuality & gay issues: I am not gay nor am I bi. I don't have any problem with people who aren't heterosexual. But there a few things things that perplex me. Why is that so many heterosexual men get so turned on by seeing two women together, yet many of them are extremely homophobic? And why is that many heterosexual men really want to be with another man or have their female lover use a strap-on dildo, but yet they condom homosexuality? I understand the fear thing, but it's the hypocrisy that irritates me. From my experiences, gay men really dislike heterosexual women? What's up with that? As far as gay issues: I believe that in our present society, our rights should reflect our survival needs and less about our fulfilling our moral needs. (As individuls, we need to take responsibility for our moral needs on our own.) The reality is that the gay community is huge and plays a significant role in society. They should have access to rights that help make their lives more livable. Granted, we have to draw the line when it comes to re-defining rights or else we'd have total chaos. But I think we need to adapt to a changing world. |
Luke | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:56 pm  Okay... It's me, Luke... I haven't been quite talkative yet, but these past 24 hours have been insane... and they just so happen to be the first 24 hours of this game. I just logged on now, and I see this topic at the top of the list... I'm going to take some time and read through the posts... and then dive in HEAD FIRST into this discussion... hehehe! |
Luke | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:58 pm  And yes, I'm GAY. (But I'm still getting caught up on the rest of the posts...) |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:58 pm  Wow Xenia ... That was so well put! ... Thank you! So many important questions you posed! |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:59 pm  I guess there were two very difficult issue for me that came out of the whole marriage. First, for two years after our marriage ended, I questioned if I MADE him turn gay. That was a big struggle for me. The second was finding a way to help him. We remained friends through all of this. :-) But during his harder times when he was a slef-proclaimed gay man with a 'partner', his father finally had to be told. His father, the high and mighty, prayed to God on the phone with Eddie. Eddie's father begged God to take his disgusting son of the face of the earth. That hurt. |
Xenia | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:59 pm  Thanks. |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:00 pm  yeah luke is here Hi Luke!!!!!!!! |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:02 pm  Well Arreal (((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))) That certainly I think I'm almost at a loss for words. It seems to me, you handled it in the most honorable way a person could do so. You have impressed me with the way you've shared your experience. I only hope for the best for Eddie, and am glad he is finally being himself. There is never any shame, in a human being, being honest with themselves. Arreal, if I had access to a flower shop, I would send you many. |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:04 pm  Moon, I get a completely different impression from gay men about their attitude towards heterosexual women. I've had gay friends, men and women. They have been close friends on either side. No sexual conflicts, just mental connections. I've never even thought that gay men might dislike hetero women. Wonder why we get completely different views |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:07 pm  Thanks Vyk--- There is a happy ending if you want to hear it. |
Luke | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:11 pm  I'm still reading through all the posts and the emails... but I have seen that more posts are being added to this topic, so I'd thought i'd check back in... first of all, to get everyone updated, this week i just broke up with my boyfriend... We've been together for about a year. I don't really want to dwell on that right now, but I've been on the phone a lot today, and have not been logging on. As far as one comment that I saw that stands out--regarding how gay men view women-- hehehe... It just doesn't make sense to me, considering that my best friends are female. Some of them are even proud to call themselves my " hag!" More on this later--there's an interesting email that I need to read... Be right back --and Hello to everyone! Man... we've been in here together for only 32 hours, and I feel like I've missed out on a year's worth of experiences already! gotta get caught up.... |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:14 pm  LUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!! So glad you made it bud! We were really worried about you!!! However, I saved a Molson Canadian Beer, just for you, grab a seat and jump right into the conversation. We value your insights |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:22 pm  Arreal...Well, I didn't agree with everything Xenia said ... a lot of it but not all... I did think she posed some interesting questions. As far as how Homosexual men perceive and treat heterosexual woman... I have experience both ... but I think that is just someone's character not sexual preference. JMO You handled your situation with love, compassion, courage and integrity ... my hat is off to you! |
Arreal | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:28 pm  Thanks Moon, I still do adore Eddie. We share the same birthday. lol Every year we talk on this day. He is married to a wonderful gal who knows all about his past. I've talke to her also. He is the wonderful father of twin girls now...almost 4 years old. Meagan and Maddy. My hat is off to him for being the wonderful man he is and working things out with his father. |
Luke | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:34 pm  Hey Vykin! Woo hoo! This place is awesome! I've been checking around... getting acquainted with the surroundings... and boy, could I use a beer right now! That hits just the spot! Hey Moondance--good observation... A lot does depend on each person's individual personality, which is why it's not always wise to characterize collectively "all gay people" or "all straight people". I have some gay friends who would rather not hang around too many women. I've also got gay friends who will only hang around women--unless they get horney. One thing for sure is that gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgendered people come in all shapes, sizes and colors. That's one of the cool things I like about our (rainbow) flag--it appropriately signifies diversity--and harmony within diversity... (BRB...I want to slip into a t-shirt and some sweat pants...) |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:39 pm  I want to hug you Luke!!!! {{{{{Luke}}}}}} Sounds like you have had a hell of a weekend! I wish I had the right words so I could help but I am so glad you are here! |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:42 pm  Xenia, first, I agree with your last 3 paragraphs. Now, regarding the questions that perplex you. At some point it's all optics. For example: if I see a male gay couple, and I'm a female hetrosexual, I may "think" they don't like me, but, unless I engage in a conversation with them, and actually find out they don't hate hetrosexual females. I as the observer will never know. I will only know what my eyes and mind perceived them to be. So, the point I make, we as humans tend to think what we see is real, in fact its what we perceive. We should ask more questions of others, rather than making assumptions. |
Luke | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:47 pm  Thanks Moon... I really needed that right now... ***hugs right back*** I'm glad that we started this topic early on in the game. I was surprised that in Big Brother, the gay topic wasn't discussed more with all that sexual energy that was going on in that house... Off topic for a sec... I'm trying to find info on the RedRoom. Where do we post? Do I gotta have one posted for today? |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:48 pm  LOL Luke, there's a few extra beers, really glad you made it! (Private to Luke: I did a late nite visit to the "Interrogator" Redroom and asked him not to banish you considering your crisis today) Moondance, Arreal, Xenia, I'm getting another glass of wine, can I get you anything from the kitchen? |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:51 pm  Luke, check your email for email from interrogator01 or something, redroom discussions are via email |
Moondance | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:52 pm  Grab me two Vykin!  |
Vykin | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:57 pm  You bet Moon do you want the coronas or another Canadian Molson? |
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