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Digilady

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 09:55 pm Click here to edit this post
10/12 1:13 AM Living Room Archive
(Synopsis to date, no quoting)

[ed: More piercing discussion. Since I’m trying to bring us up to date on the important stuff, I will omit details on the small talk.]

Luke gets tired, Rog also has to deal with chemicals in the AM, but wants to remain and talk to Ar. Rog admits he’s not at ALL relaxed at the moment.

Ar is also wide awake. Worries she’ll bore Rog, who reassures her [ed: h*ll we’re ALL riveted at this point!]

Rog doesn’t know what to make of the past evening. Ar adds that she held Tal’s head under water, responding to something in the tub.

Rog asks for an explanation. Ar says because he had said everything was going fine until… and she feels responsible for him being upset. Is empathetic.


Rog says it’s his lack of understanding since he doesn’t have all the pieces. There seems to be someone who cannot be trusted, which could affect him. He doesn’t know what to do, wither as a person in the game or as himself, since they are the same people. It seems to him that someone is watching out for them and talking of things (he has no idea of when Tal told Ar the secret, or how she did it without posting). He says that it’s not up to anyone to watch his back, it’s just that he might be at a disadvantage now; he thinks that maybe this is the way it should be.

Digilady

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:37 pm Click here to edit this post
10/12 1:50 AM Living Room Archive
(Synopsis to date, no quoting)

{ED: this one is complex. I separate out by convos between people._

X enters. Asks Rog if he wants to ask her personal questions. He says yes, if she will allow it.

Ar, who obviously saw none of this, continues her past convo. She feels like a sitting duck. She worries that after all this is over and she is out, she won’t be allowed back on the board if she tells the secret. She has many friends onboard also.

But she opened the can of worms. She wonders if she should have kept her mouth shut. Then again, maybe telling her the secret was their way of stirring up trouble in house. They knew she might tell, she wonders?

Tal was upset that Rog wouldn’t talk to her in the empty chat room. [Ed: !!!] Tal was in IM with Vyk, as was she herself. Tal had created an empty AOL chat room and Vyk invited Ar into it. She went. It was the 3 of them in a room with the name of Talisker?? They told Ar to save the room so maybe they could chat there later. [ED: ???]

X (responding to Rog’s earlier question) says sure. And tells Ar not to fall asleep, and asks Ar if Giblets was giving her a hard time earlier.

Ar continues her “confession”, saying that Tal was upset and had a secret to tell them. Tal then told Ar that “She would die when she found out who she really was”. Tal kept calling Ar “Kearie Dearie” and said was only person in BBFC who called her that. Then Ar says that all this happened after Tal had asked she and Vyk to keep the secret. They had promised, and Tal had given it up.

It really bothered Ar, so she left the room, deleted it and emailed the Host about it. She then got confirmation as to what Tal had said, after a couple of days going round and round [ed: Ar is upset here, and lost track of time, methinks.]

Then Ar is certain that she’ll be thrown off the BBFC and says how nice it was to meet all of them. And apologizes to Roger.

Roger is so lost. Doesn’t get the issue of non-trust. Doesn’t understand the use of “Talisker” as name for the room, he wasn’t there, and what part does the name have in it? He says that he told Tal the reason he didn’t go into the Chat clubroom is because it is “against the rules”, and that he always plays by the rules. He doesn’t know if they should even talk to each other outside the house [ed: I am paraphrasing here]. To him, it’s not about the Game to the effect that it would affect the outcome. He figures it’s happening because people know each other in real life, and he himself knows no-one. Perhaps he’s too trusting, he adds. He asks for a response, as he has more to say about promises.

Ar tells him that he now has the truth, minus the name. She’s sorry it upsets him and that she got drug into it in the first place, but now it’s on the board for all to see.


[Xenia’s conversation – she posts so much she misses what Roger & Ar are posting, here.]

Roger addresses X and tells her that by playing the game correctly, he sees that she is very upset. It seems she wants to leave the house?

X, addressing Ar, tells her not to worry. Tal is not there often enough to have a presence. And that ‘Giblets” is an idiot. That these people can’t affect Ar’s reputation. That Ar has fans and supporters who will see that these people were trying to mind f*ck Ar and make sure the two of them leave.

X now says she does want to leave (responding to Roger’s previous question). She says she didn’t think of the time commitment and what the game would be like before it started. Admits to PMS and how badly she feels and that she’d rather be lying down. Then discusses the Moon thing, and how she was embarrassed about the way she had treated her and how nowm being so embarrassed, she (X) just wants to split. Then the Man comments happened. She was hurt by how he insulted her looks. One thing to insult actions, but looks… by sending a photo she opened herself more by taking the chance that she would be judged on the way she looks.

X continues by saying she has taken the risk of sharing her personal self with that image and profile, and having someone attack her because of the way she looks makes her want to leave. As for Giblets, his comments on her appearance also disturbed her. She gives Man credit because of the creativity of his insult. Giblet’s angered her more than hurt, she said.

She believes she will be banished. She wonders who else outsiders have to vote for. It’s human nature to want to get rid of the force that makes you uncomfortable.

Then she asks Roger why he thinks he is playing the game “correctly”? And if that implies she herself is playing in incorrectly? She then says that playing incorrectly implies breaking rules, and do they think she has?

Ar reassures X that Roger was referring to something else, not her at all.


[Ar and Roger, about the ‘secret’]

Ar, who was posting at same time, asks X if she still is there, and if Roger now understands.

Rog also posted at same time, responds to Ar wondering why she should feel she’d have to leave the game. She deleted the room, contacted the Host, and they are the only ones who could cut her off. Obviously they haven’t, so why now? He then reminds her he didn’t want her to tell the promises. He just wanted her to know how he felt. He wasn’t trying to drag info out of her, just venting about not sure who he could trust. Then reassures AR that he can trust her. Then asks her if she read this dense post and tells her he wishes to continue before she says anything other than OK. Then he wonders if X is still there.

Ar wants to know if either of them understand what she is saying about Tal not being who she says she is. Tal is NOT Ryder… she is not a sewage pumper. She is not who she said she was at all. Then Ar says she is shutting up.

Rog asks Ar if he can write something to her without her saying anything more? She agrees.

Rog then says he phrased his request badly. Then goes on to say that Host gave names of 5 women and 5 men. They were allowed to try and match them up as the names you see here, or not bother. As long is Host is truthful (and he assumes she was), if he can’t get them right, it’s his bad. As Host said at the start, a player is allowed to approach the game any way they want, and he accepts that. He doesn’t want Ar to think he’s walking away… he says his post will continue.

Ar responds (to a question by ROGER) “would you accept a Moderator playing in the game?

X wonders if Ar is asking her or Roger.

Digilady

Friday, October 13, 2000 - 11:16 pm Click here to edit this post
10/12 2:22 AM Living Room Archive
(Synopsis to date, RARE quoting)

Rog says that there are 1000 ways to approach game. That they should be ready for any of them including lying. He says he will play it as him. And that his concerns are 1) Being unaware, which could affect what happends and 2) wondering what Ar was talking about… altho it doesn’t bother him she didn’t tell him, now that he knows it isn’t because of a lack of trust.

He tells her he never wants her to say anything she doesn’t want to. As long as she trusts him, this is highest compliment she could give him.

Ar says that they were told moderators can’t play this round but at a later date they’d have their own game. She then says that Tal told her and Vyk that she is GAIL and took name Ryder because moderators couldn’t play. She couldn’t be any plainer.

X wonders if she answered Roger’s question.

Roger said that he didn’t communicate well with her… good question. He meant game played correctly by HIM. All along he’s not let the posts he doesn’t see affect how he plays game, and explains how in real house he can’t hear convos when asleep or in another room, so he can’t go by what X has been writing unless he goes against his own rules.
This is why he asked her, based on what he’s supposed to be aware of.
Then he asks her why she hasn’t walked out, but then says he thinks he knows the answer. He didn’t want to assume, and figures he should ask her stright up. So he’s asking. Then he wants her to wait once she responds so he can say a few things, or would she rather he left it where it is?

X responds that he can comment how he wishes. Why didn’t she walk out? Firstly because she knew she’d be here a week and could handle it that long. And that she has learned things about herself in the house. Namely that she is a control freak, but being in house with 10 people makes her feel like she has less control and bothers her. It is a big issue for her and she freaks.

She feels the need to look at that more closely, as well as herself. Also she thinks it deals with ego. No matter how bad things get, she doesn’t want to quit a competition.

ArReal Screams in Red: ROGER, XENIA… Tali told me and Vyk she is really the Moderator named Gail! LISA confirmed it.

Roger bursts out that that was plain! And that he didn’t care. He’d play if Neil was in there or anyone. He figured that Host would be nice and put screws to them, both.
Then he says that the great thing is (and here, he’d like to refer to what X said because it is so right on) that no one can ruin his rep or who he is, only he can do that. If he gets booted on Sat as playing who he really is, he’s done better than if he played as someone else and won – but this is only for him. Others play differently, and that’s what makes the game so amazing to him.
Then he says that if anything happened to Ar, he would be crushed because she was being a true friend to him and was concerned about how he felt. He’s amazed she’d do that. “It takes a special person to lay things on the line for someone they don’t even know… about what a real friend is all about!!!!! <<wipes tears away fro eyes so I can see>>> Once it slows down in a bit, I still need to talk to you--is that ok???”

Ar apologizes for shouting and her spelling. She says that if she gets banished (from board), they can feel free to email her from address on her fan site.

Roger tells her to hang in, he wants to say things to both her and X.

Xenia wonders why a moderator is included, and why they need one? If something inappropriate is said, just delete post like they would on the board. And if it was supposed to be such a big deal, why tell Ar?
She thinks that if this was a way to stir up excitement, they need to be more creative and that the game is f*cked. Then she laughs that poor Rog has been hit on by a moderator.

Ar says that she doesn’t know, but feels very used.

Rog to X: he thinks that she is such a strong competitor that she’d not quit. He had not understood the other stuff. Also if she gets banished, he’d like to shake her hand – (goes into an I like you but not your approach speech.) Says that self realization is good. Preaches a bit.

X goes out of her way to hug A, tells her not to be upset, that they wanted to stir things up because as Snave’s banner said, game isn’t fun anymore.

Ar thinks it’s to see how if would affect her Vyk and rest if the beans were spilled. Thanks X for the hug.

Rog has now read all. Wants feedback, and wants to know if X wants to say anything else.

X thanks him for his kindness which meant a lot. Wishes him luck: says tight race. Her, then Giblets then Zeb gone. Realizes that if Tali is moderator, she can’t win. And that it will be up to Rog, Ar, Moon and May – four likeable folks.

Ar wonders about Optics. Tells X to look him up on the board Sat. if she gets banished. And wonders why Lisa is host of whole game.

X says that she isn’t totally against higs, just that they mean more when done at appropriate time. Like swearing.

Rog asks X if she’ll stay, if not banished. Then adds that if Tali is moderator he’ll beat her anyway as she isn’t there that much. He doesn’t think a title has the upper hand.

Ar wonders that both Tali and Vyk are unknown, and he covers for her. She doesn’t want X banished.

X tells Ar that Optics was name Vyk going to use while in house. And that he had emailed that to a bunch of people. And that on nomination list, person missing is Vyk and one who shouldn’t be there is Optics, and that they are same person.

Ar says that not an upper hand (about title) but that she was still lied to and used as a pawn. And she didn’t appreciate it.

[ed: note: start in LR at Oct 13, 3:04AM for next segment]

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 01:33 am Click here to edit this post
Digi you have been so busy! Great job!

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 02:02 pm Click here to edit this post
Oct. 12/13 6:30 PM - 1:30 AM

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Xenia:
First to Moondance: Please don't feel bad about me being uncomfortable! I wasn't worried that you would spill details about me, I felt I had lost a sense of control. That's my issue, not yours. It's not your fault that I got defensive and reactionary. I apologize for being such a total b-tch and being so harsh. You didn't do anything to provoke me or make me feel uncomfortable. It was a mindset I chose on my own. Don't feel responsible for that. Cheer up!

Xenia:
Now to address Vykin: Yo Giblets! YOU F-CKING PIECE OF SHIT! One more f-cking lame-ass post out of you before I get banished, and I will rip you to shreds and make you cry or go clinically insane. I don't like stupid people and you have proven to be one of them.

I have PMS and I am so pissed off. This would be a PERFECT time to spar with me. If you have even one f-cking brain cell, Giblets, you'll ignore me for the next 24 hours until I get banished.

And once I do get banished, I am going to remind those on the outside every chance I get of what a total jackass you have proven yourself to be.


Vykin:
Xenia, sometimes it is better to say less and be thought a fool than say lots and actually be seen as one. I make no apologies for what I say, I am who I am, You are who You are. By your posts above, I will leave it to the people to decide. By the way, I must say I love it when you call me "Giblets"


Xenia:
Let me leave you with a final thought, Giblets. I'm fantasizing about putting on a 12-inch black strap-on dildo, bending you over and dry f-cking your ass. Maybe that would finally shut you up.


Moondance:
Xenia I hope things are good between us. Thank you for your response. You are a strong, intelligent woman and I respect that! Now, you can ask me anything. I will be share any or all.


Vykin:
I can't say today has been a good day! I'm not sure what went wrong but the tone has changed. I don't know if its cuz its close to banishment but the level of paranoia has escalated. Everyone is suspicious of everyone. Wouldn't surprise me if someone led a revolt to walk. I'm not gonna walk. I feel I was quite clear on my reasons when I walked in here and my reasons haven't changed.

When one of the players uses vulgar verbal graphics to express themselves that is where I draw the line. I want it on the record that its unacceptable to me. People can be graphically expressive without using terms like "dry f*&$".

On a "liter" note: I am excited about my new website, I hope tomorrow it can be accessed as a place to drop by and get an insight into myself and my family. That's it for tonite.


Moondance:
Good Night Guys. Hope all is well: Jana, Katie, Ras, Digilady, Nos, MissLibra, Catbowl, Ocean, Affin, Adven. I am sorry if I am leaving anyone out!

I'm spent. Can't explain what it feels like on this side of the Game. Learning a lot about myself & everyone here! Still having fun! Sweet Dreams


Xenia:
On a "LITER" note? You are undoubtedly the biggest moron ever, Giblets. Rather than indulging in "porn" would you rather me stick to death father comments? I've got a few that are just dying to come out. If I see you harassing Arreal and upsetting here anymore the gloves come off. She has done nothing to you. Leave her alone. Zeb, go get your diaper changed. It's stinking up the whole house.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 02:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Friday, October 13. 3:00 AM - 3:45 AM

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Roger_Ramjet
Based on what I've seen in Vykin's posts, he has two different syles/people. If it was Neil, would you play the game any differently? I was looking at the rules and there is nothing to preclude them from doing that! Do you want to try and find out who it may be or do you want to play the game based on what they present?

Arreal is still sane and always will be! I'm going to play the game the same no matter who it is! That doesn't mean I don't like a good puzzle!


Arreal
I want to find out who Vyk is. I believe that Gail told me the truth and she is in fact Tali. I also recall Nos, prior to the game telling me there were things about Optics and to be careful. (ed. huh?) If Optics/Vyk only posted on the BBFC boards 2 times prior to coming into the house who are his FANS that he addresses out there and why is he called PREZ? Why does his writing change so drastically and why did it immediately remind me of E-mails from Neil, concerning the book I hope to write? It was a "gut wrentching" recognition. If it was Neil, I wouldn't play the game differently but I would be HURT that I was used as a pawn in this way. Very hurt. I would not be likely to trust him or Gail in the future.

Roger_Ramjet
There is a poster that goes by Prez or the president, I immediately thought of Vyk! Wow! The drastic change in writing styles of the posts could be to send a clear message that he is playing the game as a character and in postings on discussions, answers as himelf, a very passionate, and compassionate person. I think he is trying to give it away like he did using "optics" in his posts to me, going out of his way to do so when he could have used other words each time! Part of the game or just the person they put in playing it differently?

Arreal
Do you think there is a possibility about Neil?

Roger_Ramjet
I found a poster called Thepresident. A bunch of posts! I guess that means yes! If he did I think it would be in fun and not to be mean. If Tali is really Gail she could be playing a lot worse as far as causing problems!

Arreal
Probably taken so Neil had to use something else, he refers to himself as ThePrez or Big Kahuna and talks to his staff. Too weird when an Optics never posted prior to the game. If it is someone called ThePrsident, that's bad too because Vyk would have 3 names. Who is to say ThePresident isn't using both boards and names in the game?

Roger_Ramjet
Want to ask 10 questions on the challenge board?

Arreal
I know we have ten left, worth a try.

Roger_Ramjet
10 questions, what would you ask?

Arreal
arghh... I'm getting pooped. I would ask if Neil was a board guest under an alias.

Roger_Ramjet
Your first paragraph is more likely, that Gail told you the truth and she is in fact Talisker. Your latter that ThePresident could be using both boards and names in the game would seem to be detectable by Host. She knows who we are because she has email addresses and could match them up. Optics, as in sees all? Or optical illusion? Just throwing things out like we do for the group challenges! It's late enough I figure I could throw snot out there and get credit for an effort LOL!

Arreal
GROSS!

Roger_Ramjet
Keep going, I'll post them after you leave. Just let me know what you want to find out and I'll figure out a question that can be answered with a yes or no.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 03:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Friday, October 13. 3:45 AM - 4:15 AM

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Arreal
I have 5 different e-mail addresses. They only know three of them. Roger, you could ask if Tali is ryder is Gail.

Xenia
I just came back for a sec. Arreal, I would be surprised if Neil was Giblets. Giblet has proven to be a twit. I never saw that quality with Neil. Who in their right mind would pretend to be as moronic as Giblet has? There were so many people who applied to be in here. It would so unfair if two of the ten were planted and not real game players. Unfair and un-fun as well. If you are right, and Giblets is Neil, I will be thoroughly disgusted with these people.

Arreal
I would be too Xenia. I hope it is not true, but it seems likely that it is he or another moderator.

Roger_Ramjet
But could you apply for the game and then send messages during the game? Couldn't they cross check to see if anyone was screwing with them? Just asking, I admit I don't know.

Arreal
I have no Idea. I haven't tried to sign up with two names. I just know that AOL gives you the option of up to 7 screen names and you can switch names in about a minute without losing an instant message or ICQ.

Xenia
Arreal, I don't know if trying to sign up using another e-mail address is a good idea. This is just a guess, but I would suspect they can figure out who we are by the ISP information they may have access to. I know on my own site, I can see the ISP and tons of info about every person who visits it. So even if you used a different e-mail, they may still figure out who you are.

Roger_Ramjet
Remember the message at the bottom of the rules, that if you feel like you are punished by the game to request a new user name. Does that mean in order to change names he has to approve it?

Roger_Ramjet
Xenia, anything you want asked?

Arreal
Ask if Vykin is eligble to win the prize? Ask if ArReal has lost her mind. LOL. I got to go to bed.

Roger_Ramjet
Good night! I'll post some stuff. Xenia, if you're still reading, good night as well!

Xenia
Arreal, I feel so bad that this has you so upset. I want to do some serious ass-kicking because of this. Good night Roger. Good night Arreal.

Roger_Ramjet
Arreal, for whatever trouble I caused you. I'd like to apologize. It seems you feel really bad about this. Please take care and know that there are people in here who care about you in a positive way.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 04:21 pm Click here to edit this post
Questions posted by Roger and Arreal and Answers by Host:

Roger_Ramjet
Is Talisker actually Gail?
Yes, See Discussion topic #5 in Discussions area

Is Talisker actually Ryder?
Yes, See discussion topic #5 in Discussions area

Is Vykin actually enb/admin?
NO!

Is Vykin actually one of the moderators?
No

If Vykin wins, would he be eligible for the prizes?
Yes

Are there two or more people posting as Vykin in this game?
NO! This was answered earlier as a YES in error

Is there more than one BBFC angel (actual, not honorary) within this house?
No

Could a person (outside board name) sign up and already be a member, AND get approved to post under both names?
No

Arreal
Are both Flint and Gail playing The Game as alias' Vykin and Talisker?
No

Responses by Vykin and Admin:

Vykin
Oh my god! Help me Jesus! (ed. I think Vykin may have said this before the error was corrected.)
No, you're beyond help my son!

Admin
RE: Question from Players asking if Vykin is two or more players

This question was answered YES in error. The actual answer is NO. Sorry for any confusion. This was not meant as a deliberate attempt to stir trouble, it was a legitimate error on MY part.

Please accept my apologies and don't judge the entire game based on this false answer. This is the only time I will be posting in here.


Friday, October 13. 10:00 AM - 4:20 PM

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Himay10ns
Wow, I'm going to have to stop going to bed so early. I miss all the good stuff! But I have one question for Roger, ArReal and Xenia. Does it really matter WHO we are playing with and WHAT their identities are on the outside? Does knowing those things change the way you would have played the game.

I don't see it affecting me one way or the other. No one likes to be deceived, but then again, we really won't know the truth until we are on the outside. As for me, I'm just going to be myself.

I've had ZERO outside contact other than that in the chat room. No one has emailed me and I don't have any friends here in Little Rock that are members of the board. Knowing stuff on the outside only takes away from the true experience. I encourage each of you to stay true to yourself and the experience.

Xenia, I'm sorry things have been so tough on you. I DIDN'T nominate you, even after our little tiff. I think you have a hard outer shell but I can see a big heart on the inside. I have learned about myself in here too. I admire you for being so passionate. In the past 5 days I have been attacked, berated, criticized and shot down for basically having my own opinion and for sharing bits of my soul. I see a great difference in the two attacks. Xenia was simply expressing her views. Her delivery of the attacks could have been more tactful and less vulgar. I respect her opinion but I don't respect her conveyance. In the end we agreed to disagree and gained a little respect for each other's views. There are no grudges held and we have moved on.

Luke
G'Mornin everyone! Roger, saw all your questions. Is there any way someone can fill me in on what's been going on? Hmmmm, seems I'm alone in here right now. Ahhhh look at the time these people were up till! Whoa, these late night convo's can get pretty intense!

Himay10ns
Dang, it's quiet in here today. Where is everyone? BigHost, give us a challenge or something!

Luke
Hey May, looks like we're the only two lurking around here. It seems that everyone else was up really late. I'm getting an eerie feeling around here, a lot of suspicion going on. I KNOW! I KNOW! IT'S THE BUTLER! THE BUTLER DID IT I TELL YOU!

Himay10ns
I think it was Professor Plum in the Billiard Room with the wrench.

Luke
Whoa, talk about a PERFECT setting inside this house for a Friday the 13th!

Vykin
ROFLMAO LUKE

Roger_Ramjet
I think it was Professor Wrench in the Plum room by Billiard! To fill you in Luke: Questions were written by me based on what others wanted to know. May, if you go to the discussion area, I address your question plus more. It doesn't matter who to me, just matters how you do it.

Luke
You still haning around Vyk? What's up dude? Guess we've been playing internet-post tag for a while. How have you been?

Xenia
Himay, I don't care who is who, with the exception of Gail being a moderator, that pisses me off. It implies she has access to information the rest of us don't. But it was upsetting Arreal so much I wanted to try and help her figure things out. At one point she thought she'd be booted from the entire website because of what has transpired. I wanted to help her find answers so she would feel better.

Thank you for your warm sentiments. I do have passion but sometimes it comes out in an unconstructive manner. If I hurt you, I do apologize and I also have to admit I regret getting into a tiff with you.

I already gave out one hug, so I can't do that again. So here, have a...

((((((COOKIE)))))

...instead. :)

Himay10ns
OK, here I go with my tangent of the day:

Is anyone else amazed at how REAL this all is. I know the internet fans think this is just a game and we're all in here just bullsh*tting, but this is real to me. I've laughed and cried. I've learned more about myself and human nature in the past week than I have in the past 15 years. People's reputations and feelings are at stake. It's not just T-shirt or CD Burner that we are gaining but a lesson in life.

Maybe that's a stretch, but this has gone beyond a GAME for me. There is more emotion in these 9 people than I EVER saw in the BB house. I can't express how privileged I feel to be a part of this experience. I have to admit, after all the crap last weekend, I was having the same feelings as Snave, the game wasn't fun anymore. But you know what? Life isn't always fun either. Do you walk away? HELL NO! You suck it up and deal and we all become better people because of it.

Ok, I'm spent. That was better than an 8" Red Rocket.

Moondance
May, well put! I am not sure if anything other than the real thing is better than 8" Red rocket... well maybe if it is the infamous "Rabbit"....

Xenia
HiMay, Arreal and I have talked about that a fair amount in the late night chats. How real is this? It's pretty intense for me because I put all of myself into Roger.

Vykin
Hey Xenia, This is Giblets. Must feel nice to have attention diverted for you today? I have one beer left. Here, you can have it, no strings attached. It's kinda tough being in this house when all the women PMS at the same time.

Luke
Hey everyone. These boards have given me one royal headache. I'm gonna sit right here in the living room to get off these other house topics. Would anyone like to join me for some wine and converation?

Roger_Ramjet
Luke, in another thread I offered to buy the wine. I have a GREAT merlot for you! Vyk, did I hear that right?

Xenia
Sorry guys, I don't drink. Giblets, kinda tough being in this house when you have to exist with a moronic lush.

Luke
If a fight breaks out in here I'm off to the Hot Tub or somewhere else where I can talk in peace.

Xenia
Luke, not to worry. No fighting. I'm not sticking around. Have a fun night though. One other thing I want to say to you Luke. Right from your first few posts I really liked you. I wrote about it in my RR visits. I'm sorry that because of my reactions to other people that you have a such negative opinion of me but it is understandable. I'm sorry we never got to know each other better.

Luke
Xenia, thanks. I truly appreciate your words and I do feel they are sincere. Thanks.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 05:25 pm Click here to edit this post
Friday, October 13. 4:35 PM - 5:45 PM

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Arreal
Hello everyone. Mind if I sit down? I'm feeling pretty much very alone right now. I agree with May, the feelings here are all too real. They are intense in a way I never expected. I would like to say one thing to all of you and then I will let it all drop. Sorry

Roger_Ramjet
Arreal, I am saddened that you feel all alone. I thought by now you would realize that the friendship we have established would allow you not to feel alone. Made me think of something:
"The philosopher's ideal is that of a rational being coexisting with other rational beings. He wants to doubt, he thirsts for objections, and attacks, he strives to become capable of playing his part in the dialog of ever-deepening communications, which is the prerequisite of all truth and without which there is no truth." ~ Karl Jaspers, Way To Wisdom
Sound like any house you can think of?

Luke
Karl Jasper, I haven't heard that name since college! Do you like philosophy, Roger? I was big into Existentialism a few years ago.

Roger_Ramjet
I love philosophy! I don't get too much into the books as I enjoy going out and watching people. Then I make up my own philosophies. I'm a scientist that loves looking at human nature and the human condition. It's amazing what we have done to ourselves!

Luke
What was your favorite movie, Arreal? I'd have to say mine is The Joy Luck Club. Being an American born Asian, I really related, especially those typical Asian mothers! If you guys ever want to watch a good movie dealing with gay issues, I recommend The Wedding Banquet.

Arreal
My favorite movie is The Never Ending Story. The meaning of the place, "Fantasia" is what life is all about. The wolf explains that Fantasia is the hopes and dreams af all the people in the world. The movie shows how important it is to face oneself and accept who you are. It is the biggest challenge in life.

Luke
Exactly, watching this house is amazing enough and I'd go so far as to say that there's enough info within these posts and archives to write a book on the human condition!

Moondance
Hi Like!! Arreal! Roger the man! Sorry I wasn't around much for the discussion about Tali but I am still in a fog about the whole thing. I don't want you to feel like you are alone here Arreal. I cannot wait to see 'Pay it Forward. It it looks great.

Arreal
I'm trying to figure out where everyone went. Funny. I ask to join and suddenly everyone leaves. How funny, strange.

Roger_Ramjet
Arreal, I was going to ask about a cold shoulder. I made a comment a couple posts back about you being alone and you never responded. Is there something I'm not aware of and should be? I feel like this whole thing has caused some sort of rift that you aren't speakng of? Just left over anxiety on my part?

Luke
I'm still here. How are you Moon? TGIF! Hey Arr! What are we gonna do for some fun tonite, girlfriends?

Arreal
I have no idea. (((Moon))) (((Luke))) Any ideas?

Moondance
After some of these threads... I say DRINK!

Roger_Ramjet
Hi Moon. Luke, more wine?

Luke
You mean you need to ask Roger? Fill me up mister!

Vykin
Hi Roger, glad I caught you. I just saw a post from the Host regarding that one confusing question you asked. I think it's in the Tali Speaks Out Folder.

Roger_Ramjet
Vyk, He posted it all over the place! Go check out your general discussion folder about the confusion surrounding you.

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Friday, October 13. 5:45 PM - 6:45 PM

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Arreal
(((Roger))) Don't mean to give you any cold shoulder just many mixed emotions going on right now in me.

Moondance
Do you want to talk about it Arreal?

Arreal
I have been thinking a lot about all that has transpired in the last few days. All the negativity and what not. My part in the questions surrounding Vykin. The fact that I was in IM's with Vykin and in a chat room with Tali also. I am ashamed of my part in this entire mess. I am hurt by the fact that some individuals have seen me as dishonest and malicious.

Roger_Ramjet
They seem to have affected your interactions with me to some degree, in a less than positive light. Causes me to wonder if you question some things you didn't question before.

Arreal
It's pretty sad when I came into this game feeling so excited and ready to go for it and get to know people. Prior to coming in I was continually called an "ass kisser" by many people. Hell, I was simply being silly with Neil. Not to increase my chances of getting into the game, just because that is me. He was playing back. (ed. smile)

There was verbal sparring on the outside between Gail, Jana, Tukuul and others. This occured before and after the contestants were chosen. I was honest about many things out there. My honesty in here was no different. Out there I never called anyone names, nor did I bash them or set out to hurt them in any way. It is not in my nature to be mean like that.


Roger_Ramjet
My apologies, I meant like, I am part of the problem all this blew up or that you feel I've let you down somehow or am not supportive of you, or abandoned you or... so you are backing away in what you say. Ever get vibes?

Arreal
Honestly Roger, nothing about you. Honest. Please believe that. Since my third day in here, my trust has been shaken badly. The letters I posted in the thread about Tali, I posted to show that I had real concerns and real issues of trust about Gail and about ADMIN. I didn't post them to be further accused of breaking more rules by contancting Host during the game, thank you Vyk for pointing that out.


The best part about being in her has been my late night conversations with Roger. I felt we connected mentally and formed a friendship I could trust. I still believe that. I have also gotten to know Xenia and I have changed my opinion about her so much. I truly admire her strength in standing up for herself. I am glad that I have gotten the opportunity to get to know Moon better. She is an absolutely wonderful, sweet person.

I got to see a different side of Tuk in here. I was shocked we had similar views on so many things. Funny how I gave him "The Most Obnoxious Award" out there. I'm glad I got to know Luke, charming guy, honest and loads of humor. I admire him also. It takes alot of strength and fortitude to be different and be proud. I didn't get much of a chance to know May in here and for that I do regret.

As we speak, I am waiting for a response from the Admin on a voluntary walk out. The feelings in here are SO real and it plain and simply hurts to be here.

Luke
Whoa. I need some more wine. Don't go, Arreal. I mean it.

Arreal
Me walking out DOES NOT show me to be weak or fragile in anyway. I simply know enough about myself to know when to call it quits. I will walk with my dignity, knowing I was honest, never intentionally mean and giving this experience my all every day I was here. I wish you guys luck and look forward to seeing you on the outside. Thanks to you who supported me and cared.

Moondance
Arreal, PLEASE don't go. I really think you are great and you add to the house with your open heart. This has been a messy day. Let it settle. I am not good in these situations. I feel loyality towards you but I like Gail. I am not cool with all of this because it has been one misunderstanding after another. I felt if I said anymore, I would just add to the chaos and I wanted it to calm down so we could all come back to it and discuss it. I hope you did not take it as a betrayal to you.

Roger_Ramjet
Arreal, would you re-consider sending your note and consider what positives you will get? It will come with down portions too yet it feels so good sometimes! The reality we are suprised to experience is what is so neat. Remember your thoughts to Xenia?

Arreal, I never said (nor did anyone else that I can think of) that you walking causes you to be weak or fragile. Will you give it a day? One more late night chat and see what happens?

Zebulon
Whoa. What's going on? Everyone seems to be wanting out for one reason or another. It's not THAT bad in here is it? Give it another day, Arreal. You may feel better about it tomorrow and won't do something you might regret later. Just sleep on it.

Roger_Ramjet
Zeb, welcome to our world! Some very nice comments about you! Want some wine? I think Luke and I are on a third bottle. Bad is such a relative term in here!

Luke
Hey Zeb. Pull up a chair and join the House of Dysfunction <<hiccup>>. Hy mi name is Luke and I'm a BB-aholic.

Zebulon
LOL Luke! Hi Everyone. My name is Zeb and I never know what I'm going to do next. I scare myself.

Arreal
Right now I want to take about 3 Ativan and curl up in a ball and just go to sleep for a couple of days. I hurt you guys. Please understand this.
Please. You scare me as well Zeb...

Moondance
Hi. My Name is Moondance and... where am I?

Luke
Well, hate to spoil this rolling party but I'll be back in here later. Hope we're all still here. I'll join a late nite convo if anyone is still around. Hey guys let's stick together. I'll see you all in a bit okay? Ciao for now.

Roger_Ramjet
Luke et al, I will be here tonight! I haven't missed a night yet and don't plan to start now! Hell, I just went straight thru last night and didn't sleep!

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:24 pm Click here to edit this post
Friday, October 13. 6:50 PM - 7:20 PM

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Zebulon tells a joke about Bill Gates phoning the Brussel's police department.

Roger_Ramjet
Zeb good one! Everyone seems to think you are so much different in here than you were outside. I don't see that much difference. Am I way out in left field with that one?

Xenia
Oh look at this, Arreal is talking about walking out and rather than addressing it maturely, Zeb chooses to be childish.

Arreal, Don't walk out over this. You've let this whole thing eat at you. You have nothing to be sorry about. Gail should not have been in the game but because she is, she should not have told you who she was.

Of course you were upset and felt like your trust was broken. I think any one of us would have felt the same and with having so little information we all would have been wondering just like you were.

As far as you IMing. Think about it. You found out two other people were doing it. If they were doing it, why shouldn't you have joined in. I find it ironic that Gail wanted to play the game fairly yet she was IMing Giblets. You got pulled into a murky situation. It happens. You add such an interesting element to this group of people. If you go that will be lost and I would suspect it would put a dark cloud over the experience of everyone who will continue to be here.

Don't go!

Digilady

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 06:57 pm Click here to edit this post
<nos - get in chat!>

Noslonna

Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 07:51 pm Click here to edit this post
Friday, Oct. 13 7:55 PM - Saturday, Oct. 14: 2:30 AM


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7:55 PM
Moondance
Where is everybody? Anybody wanna play?

9:20 PM
Roger_Ramjet
Hi Moon! Anyone else around? Xenia, are you around too?

Moondance
Hi Roger! I haven't seen anyone around. Vy posted a couple of times in the discussion folder but that is all. Everything all right with you?

Roger_Ramjet
Not everything. Don't like the issue of Arreal walking out without giving it a day. It's her choice though. I was thinking about posting on the general discussion borad although my focus is Arreal. I don't want her to walk before the process takes care of us. What have you been up to?

Moondance
I took a shower. I'm bothered by the day too. I love a good game and a challenge. That is why I wanted to do this. I only had a minute idea what it would feel like. What an experience. Hard to explain. I wish Arreal would stick around too!

9:45 PM
Himay10ns
Hi everyone! I was tired of being time zone challenged and missing out on all the late night conversations so I went to bed at 8:00 and now I'm back up. It sounds like ArReal is asking to leave?

Message to Arreal:
ArReal, you mentioned that you haven't gotten to know me. It's OK! It's the time zone thing. You've added so much to the game and I really want you to stay. Just let the dust settle. Things will be better tomorrow. I notice that Tali hasn't been around since she posted the thread earlier. Why is she hiding? It's time for her to face the music. If anyone should be thinking about walking out, it should be her! You haven't done anything wrong! You have been perfectly honest this past week and whether you feel like you know me or not, I know you and I'm sorry you are hurting. Hang tough... we're behind you.

Moondance
May, I think Tali is sleeping herself. She said she would be back tonight to talk.

Himay10ns
Wow, did everyone see the new Admin thread? Now there's a new post on the Message Board. Apparently, the voting has been cancelled and a new poll is going up. We won't know the results until Monday! Oh, this is REALLY going to piss Xenia off!

10:05 PM
Roger_Ramjet
Good to see you May! That time zone thing has to suck! As Arreal said, the best parts have been the late night talks. It's how I relax enough to go to sleep. Wow, what a dynamic group we have become! I admit to loving this!

Himay10ns
I'm enjoying it too! But I'm getting tired of people raining on the parade. My only beef with BigHost is that he first said Gail was sequestered, but in his last post he said that she DID have access to the entire board. I don't know who to trust at this point.

Roger_Ramjet
Admin posted some Q/A. Man, things are getting negative everywhere! Well for him I think it's bit negative. No BG2? What the hell? Man, he can't know what we are going to do. How we will act or how much we will get into it! It says wonders about the job they did when it's so easy to slide in each night and have it be so real... feelings, emotions. Just what I was hoping for! How can a game be run that has humans in it and not have problems? I don't think Gail should walk. It wasn't her idea alone to come in as a mole! Besides, there is a certain twist to the game a mole would provide.

Moondance
I have to agree Roger, nothing and nobody is perfect! I don't know how much right we have to complain. Neil, Lisa and the moderators do this all for free and we knew that we were the "hamsters". This is the first Game so Neil is learningas he goes along.

Himay10ns
At least on the Mole show, people are informed there would be a Mole up front. They can stay guarded and be prepared. Just like on BB during the Saboteur challenge. They knew there was a saboteur. We were pretty much caught with our pants down! My trust has been violated. I don't know how you all feel. I would REALLY like to talk to Tali. I wish she were here. I'm not asking Tali to leave, nor am I blaming her. If she is truly sequestered and truly playing the game then let her stay. I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

Roger_Ramjet
Tali addressed that in her message on the message board. She made it clear she only did moderator duties. I can tell you who I trust... me! I also trust that no one is trying to screw the game up and make it unplayable. I don't really want to have any information about what they think of me out there. Not because I'm not interested--hell, I'm very interested!

Himay10ns
Roger, Admin posted this in his latest thread: "How and why did Gail post in the live feeds area? Her account was not restricted like the other players because we need her as a moderator! As a 'Mole' she was supposed to know what was going on in here, but when she decided to play like everyone else she should have ceased."

So it sounds like to me, she was posting in the Discussion area, too. Am I the only one that thinks that? If that is the case, I have to question the validity of her status as a Game Player.

Roger_Ramjet
I saw that. It confirms to me that she was acting as a moderator and not just sitting there reading what everyone says and posting her thoughts. I'm not trying to say things went perfect. My issue was knowing what they are thinking out there and change to fit what everyone else wants. I think knowing what they are saying is a distraction while playing. Once out I will read every single message and they are in the thousands already. Whatever we are doing it's providing something to comment on. That shows some level of success in what we do.

10:20 PM
Vykin
Himay10ns trust yourself. Don't worry about the rest. I'm done with "that" discussion. I'm moving on with other topics. If you want a laugh check Zebulon's Limerick Folder. If you want a creepy story check Creepy Crawlers and if you want a good discussion check out Moondance's Media Folder which everyone has ignored for two days. Thats the direction I'm heading. I will no longer make any reference to "that other" discussion. I think we've all said enough.

Himay10ns
Vyk, I'm going back to bed. I have to get up at 5 AM and run in the "Race For The Cure". I need my rest. You guys have a good night. I'll be back tomorrow around noon and I hope the dust has settled. I agree with Vyk, I'm ready to get on with The game.

Moondance
Sweet Dreams May! Good Luck tomorrow!

Roger_Ramjet
May, have a great day, and we will see you when you get back!

Roger_Ramjet
Vyk, we both said the same thing, trust yourself! Well, I actually said I trust myself. Same idea though! I have more jokes to submit, a hard choice to write about and a long post about passion. I just hate missing so much when I do those! I know, you can't get something for nothing! Unless you're the Dire Straits, then you can get your money for nothing and your chicks for free!

Vykin
LOl Roger. Yes chicks come at a high price these days. I'm off to bed. Sorry can't keep eyes open tonight.

Moondance
Sweet dreams to you too Vykin!

Roger_Ramjet
Vyk, how are the discussion areas doing?
Xenia, you may be in here... la la la la la
Vyk, I won't have any words with you about that "other discussion". I can handle that.

Vykin
Roger ON A FINAL HOPEFULLY good night, to answer your question, the discussion areas are discussing. Finally, have a good nite you all.

10:55 PM
Roger_Ramjet
Ok, who's around for tonight later? Moon, Zeb, Xenia, Luke, Tali, Arreal. We also have a new group challenge we can work on instead, should you not want to chat.

12:40 AM
Roger_Ramjet
Well, no one has posted for awhile after Vyk and Moon went to bed. I'll take off as well and be back tomorrow. Nite all!

Saturday, October 14 - 1:35 AM
Luke
Looks like everyone has already gone to bed. I just got back and I'll check through the posts and then if nobody shows up I'm off to bed too.

Saturday, October 14 - 02:00 AM
Luke

AARRGGHH! This is killing me! I told them i'd be back later tonite for a late night convo! and everyone is asleep! I feel like I'm the only one that's not included in this web of suspicion and double identities and emotions and accusations and apologies and everything else under the sun. But wait - is that a good thing or a bad thing? I dunno. All I know is that I graduated from merlots to vodka and tonics and I'm only going to wait around for so long before I hit the sack so... Anyone there? Ally-Ally-Outs in Free!

Saturday, October 14 - 02:30 AM
Luke
Everyone's asleep. Hmmmph. Guess that means I'll be hitting the sack too. Chat with you in the morning!

Noslonna

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 03:00 am Click here to edit this post
Digi, digi, digi... *sigh* I almost caught up to Live feeds til you forced me into chat. It is obvious that "Live" is now an honorary title. You have to bring us into Sunday. Okay, you don't HAVE to but PLEEZZ?

Digilady

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:16 am Click here to edit this post
aw sheeeit!

Tis my fault... SO...

Digilady

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:25 am Click here to edit this post
The Internet Camera 10/14 11:42 -> 10/15 1:36AM
Xenia
Hey Giblets! I just had a wonderful insight!

Gail said she wanted to play the game for the "experience", right? Well, look at the "experience" she has found! You and Gail are SOULMATES and this game and this "experience" brought the two of you together!!!!

I am so happy for you, Giblets. Please, don't procreate, ok?

Vykin
Hi late nite viewers, I'm gonna do my nitely internet cam address in the morning. I can barely keep my eyes open. Have a good sleep.

Nightly Public Service Announcement (PBS):
If you know of someone who is a victim of Domestic Abuse, don't turn your head. Reach Out try help them. Chances are they are under the control of the abuser and not thinking clearly.
Be they female, male or children. Don't sit and ignore it till its too late. Sometimes the victims are too afraid to ask for help. Do what you can. It is always too late when you are standing at a cemetary lowering the casket of the
victim six feet into the ground, thinking, "I wish I had done something".
Xenia, FYI, I saw ur post after mine just now.
READ MY LIPS AGAIN! I never knew any of you before I came in here that includes Gail or Talis or the Host. If you folks want to form alliances, thats your choice, but please don't refer to me and tali/gail as "soulmates". I am not interested in the "tiffs" any of you may have had prior to this Game. Certainly not interested in those "tiffs" being continued in here. Just because I feel there could have been a better way to handle yesterday's outbreak, doesn't mean I'm a jerk! I wasn't the one who opened the "can of worms" and made false assumptions about myself.
If anyone should be mad or suspicious, perhaps it should be me, cuz it seems, I'm the ONLY one in this game that never had a previous "in" on this site. Think about it Xenia, for even a second...how do you think I feel, knowing that everyone of you were selected because you previously posted or moderated on this site! Perhaps it should have been me who should have asked the Host to Boot all of you and get random players in. As far as I concerned I still would have loved to see KetchupLover in here whoever he/she is. SO LAY OFF XENIA

ArReal
Vyk....

I have not had any contact with my fans or anyone other than you house guests at all since yesterday evening. I know you doubt my trust and I can understand that, however, I have no idea what is happening on the outside.

My computer is giving me enough trouble today.

Vykin
Arreal thanx for clarification. A friend emailed me who is new to this site and asked when they vote how often they could vote cause someone in a chatroom or on boards, ( i dn't know didn't ask), said they were voting against talisker more than once. I responded I didn't know, have no clue how the voting polls are set up and can't access them.

Xenia
Geez Giblet, don't get your shorts in a knot.

I know you had said you had not known anyone in here from before the game. That's why you and Gail meeting and discovering you are SOULMATES is so special. Here you were, two total strangers just coming into a game for the "experience" and you both ended up finding a person who has so many similar personality traits.

That just...chokes me up.

Sandyc

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:43 am Click here to edit this post
Dililady -- Hi I'm here for a few hours. Will pick up where you've left off.

Sandyc

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 08:44 am Click here to edit this post
Spelled your name wrong -- sorry!

Sandyc

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 09:18 am Click here to edit this post
CHALLENGE 5 --
Mr. Jones drives a hundred miles to the nearest book store. He pays $20.00 of his hard-earned money to purchase a first edition of a new book. After many hours of reading, he concludes that the book is poorly written, boring and inaccurate. Rather than be upset, Mr. Jones is instead greatly pleased with his purchase. Why would this be?

QUESTIONS ASKED --
Is Mr. Jones a book collector? NO

Is Mr. Jones a farmer? NO

Is the book in some way about Mr. Jones? NO

The "many hours of reading" mentioned that Mr. Jones does---was he reading the book (referenced in the puzzle) during that time? - YES

Was there something of value inside the book that he might have found?

CURRENT CHALLENGE DISCUSSION --
ARREAL: "If the book has inaccurate information, it has to be a non-fiction book. To know it is inaccurate, Mr. Jones needs to be "tops" a a particular feild of study or the book needs to be old information.

ROGER: "He wouldn't have ot be tops in a field--he might be, although he would not have to be. He could just be fortunate to have knowledge in the area(s) that the book covers--and the incorrect informtaion could be common knowledge also.
A question of the money still seems to be lloming for people. A question like:
Is increased monetary value (either current or future) of the book an important factor in why he is pleased with his purchase?

ARREAL: "
The only problem I see with that, is no author's first edition of any book is known to be worth great value at the time of the first printing. The author is usually dead before people start saying it is worth money. Nothing is worth money unless it is not readily available AND there is a big demand for it.
That's why I think the book has to be old.
Maybe Mr. Jones went out and bought the first edition of Guy's Astronomy book. hehehe
It is a very boring book, and very inaccurate.

ROGER: " LOL!! maybe it's the one about women, and he like s it for the crazy things the say about problems women have (and the "cures")!!!

XENIA enters.

ARREAL: "Do you ever read what other people say in the live cams?

ROGER AND ARREAL leave to go to living room for awhile

XENIA: "Well, this just sucks...
Man, I thought the answer to this puzzle was obvious!!
I was SO wrong.
And then with the delay in getting the answers...
Are we going to be able to solve this?

ROGER RETURNS: " YES! I plan on it anyway!!
I just saw something we haven't considered yet, and am going to burn a question. When you see it, you will know what I mean (ok, maybe you will see what I mean


NOW SUNDAY MORNING

TALISKER - 5:43 AM: " Also, something else I am wondering is : Is the topic/subject of the book significant?
If it is, then we know we have to figure that part out, if not, then we can ignore it.
Can we ask if the book is fiction??
That will eliminate a world of questions.

AN ASIDE TO ANSWER ARREAL'S QUESTION -- "Hmmm . . no ArRealPrincess, I don't read what others say to the net cams. . . but, it wouldn't surprise me if others here read what I say and save it to use against me later.

ZEB: "Hey all,
I just looked at the answers to the questions and read over the whole scenario again. Apparrantly, Mr. Jones didn't like what was written in the book but he was still happy with his purchase. Maybe he found something inside the book. It's just a thought. I stuck the question out there to be answered.
Maybe he found a twenty dollar bill in it and only wasted a 100 mile drive. Maybe he found more. <shrug>
Of course, maybe I'm way off track. We'll see.

Digilady

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 09:20 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks Sandy - got to WORK today :(

Noslonna

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 09:45 am Click here to edit this post
:)

Sandyc

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 09:50 am Click here to edit this post
NEW DISCUSSION TOPIC POSTED BY HOST -- 8:30 AM.

Recently, in an Ottawa newspaper, an article was written about domestic abuse. A 35 year old stay-at-home Dad woke up one morning, and chased his 35 year old wife out of the house and down the street, stabbing her continuously while she screamed for help. When she reached a neighbor's house, her husband stabbed the elderly couple who tried to assist the woman. When neighbors were interviewed, they said the man was known for his kindness and attention to his son. The woman was a well known community speaker, who spoke on violence against women.

We hear these stories more and more. Please discuss your feelings about this issue, and what we as a society can do to prevent this from occuring in the future.

ZEB STARTS: "
I think this is more of a story of mental illness than domestic violence. It doesn't sound like this type of behavior was a repeating occurrance.
Let me think about this some more.

ZEB AND MAY HAVE POSTED LINKS TO THEIR FAVORITE WEBSITES IN THE FAVORITE WEBSITE DISCUSSION AREA.

VYKIN ADDS A COMMENT TO XENIA AT THE INTERNET CAMERA -- 9:07 AM: "Xenia, if you'd quit trying to hang yourself on the tree, you wouldn't choke up as much

ROGER AND VYKIN EXPRESS APPRECIATION FOR MAY'S NEW JOKE IN THE IMPROV. (ed note: great reading in there.. funny!!)

VYKIN GOES TO FAV. WEBSITE AREA and claims that he has no idea hwo created the site on May's list. He then lists a site for him created by a friend.

Sandyc

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 10:28 am Click here to edit this post
RECAP OF SATURDAY'S LIVING ROOM INTERACTION --
SATURDAY -- 9:01 AM.

MAY STARTS OFF:
"Wow, what an incredible morning I've had. Just got back from the Race for the Cure. 27,000 women walking and running to cure breast cancer. It was absolutely overwhelming!!! All along the race they had 3 miles of men cheering the women on, telling us how strong and beautiful we were. There were radio stations and high school bands, church choirs. Unbelievable!! And not to mention all the cancer survivors that were there. Really helps put things in perspective. I feel rejuventated...I wish you could have all been there with me.

11:33 AM --
ARREAL posts that her computer went wonkers. She slept while her husband work on it. (Ed - Nice guy). Because of that she posts "I'm really lost. Please fill in in if you can.

ROGER: - 11:59 am -- Not seeing that Arreal is there too. "<<<Talking to myself if no one is here, or talking to whomever I can't see in the living room. The mental image of the latter causes a smirk>>>" and proceeds with a long post about ArReal, Xenia and Tali, how he would miss them, that he thinks they should stay and his views on nomination and banishment.

ROGER AND MOON joke about thinking they area the only ones in the room.

MAY ASKS "
"There is a lot more outside contact filtering down to some of the board guests then you are aware of"??

ROGER, MOON AND POSSIBLY MAY discuss discussing the newest puzzle challenge. They decide to go to the challenge area.

ARREAL pops back in: "

I feel alot better this morning. I think my darn computer took away all my frustration towards the situation here and it was directed at the puter itself.

I'm still in a fog about what has happened. They switch the banishment date until monday? There will NOT be another THE GAME, as in a number 2? I think that is a big mistake.

You guys have no clue how bad I wanted to get back on last night. My husband drug me to bed kicking and screaming saying he would stay up to try to fix the computer. It was a nightmare....I am now superstitious. lol

I am feeling better and I want to thank you all for the support and encouragement to sleep on it.
I am still waiting to hear from Neil...they to some degree told me to sleep onit also and weren't going to count that as my official walk out notice. Other than that, I'm kind of lost.

I know that I offended Tali and Vyk, hurting both their trusts in me. I ask that they forgive me.
I hope they can understand why I was also hurt and upset about the entire situation. I tried to explain myself, but purhaps I hurt them too deeply for them to move on. (((Tali))) I really am sorry, please forgive me. I was wrong to doubt you and I was further wrong to break your confidense in me.

I want to put it in the past also, at least until Monday.

(((Moon, Xenia, Roger, Luke, Zeb, May)))
Hand shake for Vyk and another hug for Tali."

MOON: "
I am so glad that your computer hit the skids! Things happen for a reason!
I am so glad that you are here... now come over to the challenge!

ROGER WELCOMES HER TOO.

VYKIN - 01:58 pm: "Arreal, and anyone else:
you have already apologized and I have already said lets move on. If you are truly contrite then lets drop the subject. Nobody inside or outside wants a rerun of Friday the 13th.
This is my final answer."

ROGER: "If Arreal has something to say about it, I'm willing to listen. If she doesn't that's ok too. Anyone can choose to not read a post--and I'm sure do so even now. Back to puzzle--answer provided, Vyk's question up next--Vyk-if you're around, hit it!"

ARREAL still talks about her need to catch up.
ROGER AND MOON tell her not to worry and they'll talk later. Talk turns to puzzle challenge stuff and chit chat between roger, moon, and arreal. Vyking pops in to say he's going out for a hamburger.

Sandyc

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 11:22 am Click here to edit this post
SATURDAY RECAP CONTINUED 5:00PM

ROGER: "I'm not wanting to be away for less than an hour---how pathetic is that!!! I really do love this game. Host should rum this thing a few times if they feel that the time it takes is worth 10 people getting one hell of a ride nad experience. I have no idea how much the outside folks get into it (other than seeing the sheer number of messages). I want on BB2 so bad I can taste it!! And I'd do that one just for the win (and what happens while getting there)

ARREAL: 6:13PM " I had left to try to upgrade AOL to 4.0. That took 3 hours, but now it runs a bit faster and looks a little more familiar. Maybe later I will go for the 5.0.
Have a great time tonight Moon. (ED: Moon is going out with friends)
"Roger, I am doing much better, thank. I do like to talk about things though and that may not be an option here. I like to find closure and for me, that happens when I can express myself. I am thankful for your ear later. ((Roger)) ((Moon))

ROGER agrees to a convo later.

ZEB, MAY, AND TALI ARRIVE. They talk about their day. Everyone expressed a nice time.

MAY says "I'm excited about the way the game is going. We are really bonding now!! I still feel so priviledged to be a part of this! Woooohoooo! OK, I'm a little tipsy, but who cares. This is a blast!!" And she goes to puzzle area.

ZEB says " May, I'm sure I'll express an opinion that will piss someone off soon. LOL! Where's Xenia?"

ROGER AND ARREAL come back. Chat about discussion threads.

ARREAL: " I'm here now. I just spent the last hour in the red room. That dam interrogator gave me the third and forth degree.
Moon, you still here or did those women drag you off already?
You're hanging around tonight Zeb? May?
I liked that discussion thread for the favorite posession. That was cool, but how do you decide on just one?"

ROGER: "May--"sick" joke--loved it!!!!!! Hell I may have to post my mental image joke before the game is over!"

ROGER, VYKIN, ARREAL continue to chat about computers, the puzzle, booze, websites, and body noises. They have a pleasant time all evening.

VYKIN goes to bed about midnight and roger and arreal continue:

ARREAL: -- 2:00AM
"Did you ever get my question as to whether or not you read other people's posts in the live cam room?"

ROGER: "Yes, I saw that. I've never gone and spoken to the Internet camera. (I talk out load all the time, so I figure that works out to doing the same) I talk outload in here because in real life , when I'm alone I also do that.

So, I can't use any of the information given to that camera (yes, I read them, yet don't include the information in my interactions).

If someone were to tell me what they said or overheard, I can respond to that!

MOONDANCE RETURNS: "Hi you two... I just got home a little bit ago... caught up... it doesn't look like I missed much.... did I?

ARREAL: "I really don't have much specific to talk about, I want to let sleeping dogs lie. It's just hard with some of the live cam posts I saw today.
It did p*ss me off seeing the..."I'll never feel sorry for ArReal again" comment.

Grrrrr. I don't want anyone to feel sorry for me for anything. It gravels me that people think I want it or give it to me. (Gravel is my mom's word) I can look back on all my mistakes and poor choices that I've made and say "that is why I am who I am today." I like me, I like my 'friends inside' and I like the person I am.

I have so much love and forgiveness in my body that I have nothing to feel sorry for myself for. I don't want others to feel sorry for me either. I'm where I'm at because of good and bad choices that I've made along the way.

I guess I have a little frustration because I hear it's over...move on, then I see posts like those in there and wonder...is it?

Ya know what really works to get out of a downer mood. ...lol... (this probably will qualify me as certifiable looney)...go out side, (night time works best) and ••••-a-doodle-do as loud as you can as many times as you can....I promise, you won't keep a straight face through it.
ROFLMNAO"

ROGER: "Not too much Moon! 2 more no answers--I've suggested a few questions based on Arreal's idea about narrowing down which information in the puzzle if of importance and which isn't

Server or some type of problems recently--it was just mean to me again--although not as mean

Did you have a good night out?? Did you miss all of us??

Did you see the discussion board Vyk started to put everyone's sites up?? A couple there already.

Arreal, you there????? Anyone else besides, Moon and Arreal??

Arreal, I thought you 2 made up--at lest to the point of no more stabs??? Is that not the case?? Based on what I am supposed to be able to see, it appeared that way?? What have I missed that you've seen (and if Tali was here, I'd be aksing the same thing)!!!

What the heck is the history with you 2??

MOONDANCE: "Arreal... I spin... like when we were kids... spin around and around until yo get real dizzy... that's a great stress release and sometimes you fall!

ROGER, MOON, AND ARREAL continue on with hugs all around. Talking about the need to release stress.

ARREAL SAYS "Flirting and being silly is really the only contact we had out there and it really didn't until about a week or so prior to the start of the game. I was being a nut and flirting with Neil...and I think she (ed: not clear here who 'she' is, maybe Tali) was flirting with someone else. When the game came up people thot I was flirting to get into the game. I was just in a weird mood.

I DON'T KNOW!!!!

I never saw resolution between Tali and I. I tried to apologize in a discussion thread. Other than that...I don't know what's up. I also want to let it go. I have apologized to both and asked their forgiveness...that is all I can do. It's just, it's just, with the barbs, I want to talk it out. GRRRRR....

Errr-er-er-er-errrrrrrrrr I done!

ROGER ASKS "
Did you come to any resolution with Vyk??

I remember about the flirting/jousting thing. I was accused of it too, and I know 100% for sure that it had nothing to do with getting into the game for me!!

I don't know what to do--nothing I guess unless I witness something myself--then I'll provide my opinion, maybe make a request--I don't know. Depends on what it would be.

You're done???? For the night, or the issue??

MOON AND ARREAL LEAVE

ROGER, Responding to Moon's comment that her 'dry spell is breaking her record':

"I have a feeling you have nothing to be unhappy about compared to my dry spell. You think you are breaking a record!!?? Not even--well maybe yours, although you can't touch my record! (not that all that happy about my record!! lol)

Well folks, I haven't seen anyone come by yet..it's past 3:30, and looks like good time to call it a night/morning.

There's the challenge tomorrow--if anyonecomes in soon, go take a look. The other two questions were answered late tonight.

AND IT'S 3:00 AM SUNDAY MORNING.

Sandyc

Sunday, October 15, 2000 - 11:26 am Click here to edit this post
CHURCH -- SATURDAY, OCT 14. 6:34 AM

VYKIN: " Happy Saturday Big G, as you know the dark clouds of darkness descended upon our house yesterday. But the winds of change eventually rolled over the mountains and tweaked us all back on track. Yes, big G once again, the train is moving, slowly but its moving.

ZEB: "<confesses his sins for the week so he does not burn in hell>
(No offense intended...really.)
What exactly is this room for?

VYKIN: "zeb this room is for whatever you want it to be
if you want to meditate, go ahead, if you want to confess sins go ahead, if you want to throw coins into the fountain, thats fine too
its a sanctuary from the other rooms>"