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Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:15 am Click here to edit this post
XENIA'S PADDED CELL

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awesome E.H site:
http://www.timelesshemingway.com/

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:04 am
Ten DELICIOUS words to snack on while I stare up at the ceiling and think:

didactic \dye-DAK-tik\ (adjective)
1 a : designed or intended to teach b : intended to convey instruction and information as well as pleasure and entertainment
*2 : making moral observations

calumny \KA-lum-nee\ (noun)
*1 : a misrepresentation intended to blacken another's reputation
2 : the act of uttering false charges or misrepresentations maliciously calculated to damage another's reputation

tourbillion \tur-BILL-yuhn\ (noun)
1 : whirlwind
*2 : a vortex especially of a whirlwind or whirlpool

metier \MEH-tyay\ (noun)
: vocation, trade; also : an area of activity in which one excels
: forte

senescence \sih-NEH-sehns\ (noun)
*1 : the state of being old : the process of becoming old
2 : the growth phase in a plant or plant part (as a leaf)from full maturity to death

adventitious \ad-ven-TIH-shuhs\ (adjective)
*1 : coming from another source and not inherent or innate
2 : arising or occurring sporadically or in other than the usual location

fulgent \FUL-jint\ (adjective)
: dazzlingly bright : radiant

lavation \lay-VAY-shun\ (noun)
: the act or an instance of washing or cleansing

hypnagogic \hip-nuh-GAH-jik or
hip-nuh-GOH jik\ (adjective)
: of, relating to, or associated with the drowsiness preceding sleep

And my favorite word in the English language:

Main Entry: glaze
Pronunciation: 'glAz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): glazed; glaz·ing
Etymology: Middle English glasen, from glas glass
Date: 14th century
transitive senses
1 : to furnish or fit with glass
2 a : to coat with or as if with a glaze <the storm glazed trees with ice> b : to apply a glaze to <glaze doughnuts>
3 : to give a smooth glossy surface to
intransitive senses
1 : to become glazed or glassy <my eyes glazed over>
2 : to form a glaze
- glaz·er noun

The first nine words are courtesy of the Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day Mailing List.

Info for the word "glaze" courtesy of:
http://www.m-w.com/

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:25 am
(vykin pops in see's Xenia fallen asleep, face down in one of her many dictionaries around her computer, tip toes quietly, leaves a bowl of Wheaties, brown toast with 2 pats of butter, milk, and fresh squeezed orange juice)
Thinks to self: hmm looks like the Xenster had a late nite, grabs a blanket and throws it over her, seeing as the padded cells have poor heat circulation. Vyks picks up timelesshemingway for some reading.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:31 am Click here to edit this post
DEATH --
GENERAL DISCUSSION TOPIC STARTED BY LUKE

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:11 am
"Tuesdays With Morrie", put many things into perspective about facing death. Elizabeth-Kubler Ross has some good books on death and dying. In my life for some reason, I've seen or experienced many funerals. As a child, I was not kept away from funerals of someone known to the family. So I am relatively comfortable will facing it. There are times when I said eulogies at some funerals or memorials, as early as the age of 25. My first sad memory of a young relative was when a favorite 16 yr old cousin from Spokane died of leukemia - whereas, I recall vividly being in Grade 2 and a neighboring friend being killed while crossing the road by an oncoming vehicle. I'm going to leave it at this and post a separate post about a more recent tragic death.

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:12 am
In 1996, the husband, of my best friend and co-associate, who is a female, died tragically. A small plane had gone missing in rough mountainous terrain in my area. "Tom" (not his real name for privacy protection of my friend), was also a very good friend of mine. "Tom" was a small plane pilot himself. He was involved in search & rescues. The plane which went missing had a 26yr old experienced pilot taking a 12 year old girl & 9 year old boy for a fly. Search & Rescue did a major search for 2 days. "Tom" was asked to search on 2nd day. His wife, "Pam" usually didn't participate with the pilots association, who wud organize meals for the searching pilots etc. On this particular day for an unknown reason "Pam" chose to go help out. "Tom" flew in for a refuel. She got to see him, he walked back to his plane after a quick sandwich, and telling "Pam" how glad he was to see her help out. He went back out to search.

Initially the search/rescue headquarters was based in a neighboring town. Shortly, before noon, they moved the base to my town, which has a bigger airport. "Pam" came out to my town. Still no sight of the missing plane. At one point, "Pam" did everything there was to be done and the ground supervisor, told her she could leave. This was at the point when the worried parents of the kids in the missing plane arrived.

"Pam" telephoned me, we usually talked on a daily basis about business, and other things. For busy schedules we had not seen each other for 2 weeks. She said was done with her help, asked if I was free for her to stop by for a glass of wine and catch up. I was pleased, said come on over. She left for a short 5 minute drive to my home. At that time, my friend Jim from Yemen was down for the weekend (the one who told about camel spiders). He had always heard about "Pam" and "Tom", but never met either of them. Pam arrives, I introduce the 2, and Jim, says: "Pam, I am sorry to hear your husband is missing". Pam laughed, corrected Jim, and said, "NO, no my husband is part of search & rescue, he's not missing!". We all laughed, Jim felt stupid.

The day was warm, mid summer, a perfect day! We spent the day outside talking, having a glass of wine. Around 2pm a Hercules aircraft flew over. (IT's a big recovery plane). Pam said, "They must have found the missing airplane, because its not landing in the airport here but going directly toward my town". We were all pleased with this seemingly breakthrough. Shortly after, Pam left my place, Jim had other business, I went for a short nap. Within 45 minutes my phone rang, It was Pam, sobbing, "Vykin, Tom is dead!" I said, "What???", Pam responds, "Tom's plane went down in the search & rescue, he's dead". I am shocked, (3 ppl in the plane, Tom the pilot, a navigator and a spotter). I jump in my car and drive to Pam's place.

Now then, I know this is long, but Luke I think it addresses issues of "life after death", "spirits among us".

Tom's plane had indeed crashed that day. Flew too low into a "box canyon" and downdraft took the plane down. Though Tom and I were great friends, he knew how close a friendship his wife and I had,
(IT WAS PLATONIC NOTHING ELSE).

Here is what we put together:
Unbeknownst to Pam, literally 2 minutes after she left the airport base to come to my house, word started filtering in that Tom's plane had gone down. The ground people were panicking, didn't know whats going on, knowing Pam had left to my place (ground crew pple knew of me and my close relationship w/Pam). Scared before official verification, that Pam will return to the airport.

Meantime, Pam has left for her home, she is just coming into her town, has the radio on. The announcer who knew myself really well because of school board related business, and many interviews with me, also knew Pam, who was on the school board in her own district. Anyways, announcer comes on radio "We are reporting the missing plane has been found, but sadly we are reporting with mixed feelings - we have word one of the search/rescue planes has also crashed".
Pam knew instantly it was her Tom.

At the risk, of really dragging this out, cuz there are many weird things that happened in the subsequent days to follow. Here's what we accessed.
Coincidence?or "Something Else?"
1. Pam volunteered first time on ground base, the day her husband died.
2. Pam's last sight of Tom was big smile on his
face as he waved goodbye to her before his
last flight.
3. Word of his crash, came only after she had
left the ground base to my home.
4. Unfolding events took place while she was
"safe" at my home, unknowing what was to come
5. The Hercules plane which we spotted flying
over my home, was in fact rerouted to Pams
hometown airport because of word of Tom's
crash.
6. Sean, the radio reporter, never worked
weekends, but had been called in emergently.
Seans, voice over the radio when Pam knew
something was wrong, was comforting to her.
7. Within 2 minutes after Pam called to inform
me of the tragedy, the RCMP called my home.
they and the pilots assoc. were frantically
trying to locate Pam via my home (number is
unlisted, was hard for them) to warn what
happened and to try get Pam back home without
telling her yet, what was happening cuz they
still needed to confirm death.

FINALLY, Upon many conversations with Pam after the death of her husband, we concluded that: At the time of Tom's death, his Spirit rose out of his body, plucked Pam and put her at my home for 2 hours to Protect her from what was soon to be a very public tragedy for her and her two
children. Tom always knew in real life, that Pam was always safe with me, he trusted me. There are many many other odd things that happened that day, but this story is long enough. In the end, I do believe there are spirits, and reincarnations that occur in life ( I know catholics don't believe in reincarnation, but notwithstanding).
I will be at peace when I die, and only hope when it happens that I have enjoyed the life we have here to its fullest.
As the song goes: "I Believe in something good in every thing I see..."

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:16 am
By the way, the original missing plane: The pilot survived, the 9yr old boy died, the 12yr old girl survived but in hospital for months.
She lost her father less than a year later in a car accident, aside from the 9 yr old cousin.
Tragedy all around.

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Himay10ns
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:51 am
I was wondering if any of you have ever been PRESENT and watched someone die? About 5 years ago, my grandfather suffered a stroke. I was living about 2 hours away and I immediately got in my car and drove to the hospital. My mother was there along with my uncle. He was on life support but awake. He was struggling with the ventilator and we knew we had to make a decision. He wanted the vent taken out and we had to explain to him that once they took it out, it was for good and that he would probably not be able to breathe on his own for very long. He didn't care, he wanted it out. So they took the vent out at about 3:30 in the afternoon. He was awake and able to talk to us for a few hours and then slowly drifted off to sleep. About 7:30 that evening, his blood pressure began dropping and his heart rate decreased. He just slipped away...it was the most peaceful experience of my life. I was so happy that I got to say goodbye and tell him how much I loved him. He wasn't in any pain. He was just a little angel laying there in the hospital bed. I love and miss him so much. Death doesn't scare me. My lack of fear comes from my faith. I can only hope and pray that I go as peacefully as he did.

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Zebulon
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 12:04 pm
No, I've never been present at anyone's death and the only dramatic story I had to tell was the one I shared in another discussion area last week.

I know it would be very hard for me to see someone pass away right before my eyes, but I feel more brave towards my own passing. It's not something I'm overly concerned about anymore.

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 12:18 pm
I'll make this brief as long posts are hard to read:

I'm not afraid of death because I whole-heartedly believe in reincarnation.

It's how I die that freaks me out. I would rather not have to go through a long-term illness or be shot to death or something just as torturous. A nice peaceful death in my sleep would be ideal.

My dramatic death story: Ten years ago I was housesitting for a friend and I found his next door neighbor/best friend's dead body. She had been dead for days. She had over-medicated herself. The hardest part of that was having to be the one to tell my friend and the dead woman's family and co-workers (who had been calling to try and find her) that she had passed away. The dreams I had afterward were unsettling too.

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 01:18 pm
No, I've never seen a person die in front of my eyes.

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 01:31 pm
That would have definitely been traumatic Xenia

I have experienced many deaths in my life and I do not want to any more!
That said, I know I cannot avoid it. My first and major death experience was when I lost my Father. I had written about this in Lessons Learned thread but I was 12 and he was only 34. He died of Lung cancer; a very painful way to die....

The day before he died, he was different, God gave him a gift that he was able to sit up in bed and talk ... he had requested to die at home so My Mom being the Angel that she is, arranged for Daddy to have his wish. He wanted to enjoy his kids, family & friends before he passed and he did so for a couple of weeks. He insisted that life go on as normal as possible. He degenerated fast though and was unable to walk or talk much... it was painful and he went from 230 lbs to under a 100 lbs. June 6th he gathered me and my two brothers in his room and said he was to go to heaven that night but not to worry he would always be with us ... I made a list of things that I promised not to do ... smoke, drugs, get married (I am not trying to hold to this ... but it has worked out this way so far). It was very surreal ... even thinking about it seems like a dream ... it was a loving & peaceful feeling. I slept in the next room that night and at 5:45 in the morning I woke up and literally felt my Dad's soul lift from the house ... hard to explain but I knew he was gone. Later my Mom told me he had slipped his wedding band onto her finger and said good-bye before he died at 5:45am.

I have never experienced such pain of loss in my life up until then or even now. But I feel privileged to say he was my Dad and his spirit is always with me. Yes, I was and always be Daddy's girl.

Death is hardest for those left behind in life...
It is also part of an amazing cycle that we can welcome the new. My heart goes out to everyone who has experienced loss... My prayers are with May & Levi

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 01:51 pm
I cannot begin to imagine the pain and sorrow the death of your father caused you, Moon. Death is hard at any stage in life, but having to experience it while you were on the verge of adolescence must have made it even more difficult.

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 01:57 pm
Thanks Xenia... that means a lot. Very difficult and I am sure most of my struggles in relationships stem from abandonment issues... We all have issues to deal with ... this was my biggest.

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:02 pm
Moon what a moving story, and what a wonderful "gift" your father gave you all in the way he passed away. I am moved!

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 02:26 pm
Thanks Vykin... It was such a blessed gift and I am so fortunate to have received it.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:10 am
Moon, that was a very nice post--thanks for sharing your situation.

Vyk, I also enjoyed your story!

May, yes, I have seen quite a few people die!! Some very pieceful, some very violent. Stabbings, car accidents, a ultra-light plane crash where by the time we were trying to get him out, we realized a couple of things. He was still alive, although it ended up not being for long, and 2) just about every bone in his body was broken. Moving him was like trying to move a long tube of jello--a very strange feeling as humans go.

I was always able to have a certain mental approach to going on medic calls---doing CPR, on about a dozen different occasions, had someone puke in my mouth while giving ventilations. You have to be able to go one--you can't mess up the rhythm of CPR. So, you have to just spit it out, clear there airway and be on with it--no time to puke yourself!! Nothing like acid burns in your mouth and on your lips. For me, worth the effort of attempting to save a life.

There were 3 instances of death that I was not able to keep that "mental approach" toward, and the haunt me ot this day. Imagine if you will, being an averae person just trying to help your community by becoming an EMT. Then imagine being called not once in a seven year period but 3 different times to a house in the middle of the night with words you just don't want to hear as part of the call--INFANT

3 different times having a baby die in my arms from SIDS deaths. The parents are standing around you, looking to you for hope that you can do something for their young infant till the trip to the emergency room can get a doctor's help. 3 times I had to look into their eyes holding their dead child...dead from SIDS. These have been the 3 most helpless times in my life. Yes, I've seen a lot of people die.

My own death...I've never been afraid of it. Don't know why, as my belief system doesn't go beyond death. I guess I see it as part of the package I call life. A year ago, as I mentioned before, I shold have been killed in a work related accident with another worker. The details may or may not be something you want to know..I won't include them here. Using a knife with tools, a decent use of my brain, never quitting even though it seemed like there was no way out, and keeping my cool (how funny for being locked in a freezer)I was able ot get us out. There was no excitement on my part--I was happy I had cheated death, and happy I got the other guy out--with a wife and kids. I immediately thought of those 3 infants that died in my arms so many years ago. I would have gladly stayed in there to have any one of them back.

Yes, it is a long post (sorry Xenia), and I have yet another thought to share about death. The biggest mistake made is not saying things to those who are alive. They die and you don't share whatever you wanted to with them. I saidi the last verse of a song about this...Vyk knows of this song. It say volumes about what happens if you don't say "those things" to someone before they die or you die.

Too many events together not to say something. Thanks to a co-worker, I was listening to an older song by Mike and the Mechanics (ok, so I'm older than dirt). There have been illnesses and accidents that many people have been affected by recently.

For myself, I am coming up on the 6 year anniversary of having to choose between pulling the plug or letting my youngest son fight what was at that time a losing battle with spinal meningitis--he could have ended up dead or your basic vegetable--I banked on neither happening (luckily he hates to lose as much as I do). He's fine, and I got to say the things I could have missed out on. I still have lots to say to many people. I'll start here. Many times we have things to get through with another or others that we just kind of let slide. Should we continue that course, or should we make an effort to change things?????? For you to decide!

(Ed: And he posts all the words to The Living Years)

I know death very well. Talk to the ones you love, and the ones you have unfinished business with.

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:18 am
I'm at a loss for words. Thank you, thank you for your post, Roger.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:21 am
Luke, I thought you were gone...

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:45 am
good post roger. Thanx for posting the words to the song meant to ask u if u had them the other day.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:34 am Click here to edit this post
DOMESTIC ABUSE
DISCUSSION TOPIC STARTED BY HOST

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 03:10 pm
You know, Zeb, I find your responses in this thread quite intriguing.

You seem to have a very passive/aggressive temperament. You remind me of the kind of guy who would take his girlfriend/wife to a party and be the most charming man there.

If you heard your mate say something inappropriate, you'd give her a stern look, one that said, "just wait until we get home". Then you'd go back to being charming to the others.

And then when you got home, you'd slap (or even worse) your girlfriend/wife and insistently verbally abuse her.

I'm not being sarcastic about my observation or saying this to provoke a reaction. I'm genuinely stating that I believe you are that kind of a guy.

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:37 am
Zeb, I noticed in other areas of the house references to your post about abuse. Wondered if I missed something. Came back to reread your post, and still don't understand what all the anger is about. I thought it was accurate.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:37 am Click here to edit this post
ENTHUSIASM --
DISCUSSION TOPIC STARTED BY ZEB

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:18 pm
ROFLMAO, what makes me jump out of bed? Well truthfully, I don't usually jump out of bed! I'm not a good "morning person". Notwithstanding, I meet the day with anticipation. The main reason is I'm thankful the Big Guy let me live another day on earth and I didn't die in my sleep! (lol though that wud be the way I'd want to go). The other is, my son. I've referred to him numerous times in here. I commit myself to giving him what ever guidance he needs, teaching him about what lessons I've learned. And just the great feeling of seeing a young person, so full of life and jest for the future.

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:21 pm
Missed the last question. What wud I do to change the day if nothing excited me? I'm a news addict. I'd probably turn on CNN and see whats happening in the world. Or I'd grab an old favorite book and maybe re-read it. Usually something like The Fires Of Spring, by James A. Michener. I'd call a friend and arrange to do something.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:37 am
Well, this is an interesting topic. Like Vyk, I'm not a morning person as far as hitting the floor full speed. I do, however, get up with a sense of purpose, and a certain anticipation of the upcoming day. Since I like my job so well, that one is obvious to me---I look forward to getting to participate in the various things I do in order to help my company manage waste. Pretty non- glorious, although a challenge; requires brain work, and having a firm grip of what the big picture is all about really helps.

I look forward to the energy others can bring to life...some positive, some of it is negative. Yet we all must learn to handle both, so I welcome both. I like the idea of gaining wisdom whenever possible, which requires the use of all of my senses, my brain and my heart, all workng together.

I am enthusiastic about the concept that "Success is a journey, not a destination". I really like being on that journey!!

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:41 am Click here to edit this post
WHAT IF YOUR PARTNER CHEATED ON YOU? --
DISCUSSION TOPIC STARTED BY XENIA

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:41 am
I talked to a woman, 39, a few nights ago who had two strokes at age 28. She was sure they were brought on by her husband's ongoing physical abuse.

She said this to me: “I would rather have a baseball bat, a tire iron or anything else taken to my body than have my man cheat on me. I can handle the physical pain, but I couldn't handle the mental pain. My husband used to beat me, but he never ran around on me.”

Have you been with someone who cheated on you?

What would you do if you found out someone you were with was cheating?

It seems to be a huge fear for many people.

I haven't been through this experience, thank God. I used to think I'd probably kill a guy if he cheated, but the notion of spending years in jail doesn't appeal to me.

Instead, I would make his life a living hell in subtle ways until that got old. Then I'd probably go on a shopping binge and then seek out a therapist.

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:49 am
<here come my guts>

Let's see, this thread takes me back to 1992 when I met a wonderful man named "Tom". <name has been changed to protect the guilty>

Tom and I had a wonderful two year relationship and I was just sure it would lead to marriage. We worked together, played together, went to church together. I loved his family and he loved mine. It was PERFECT.....or so I thought. In November of 1994, he began acting strange. He would take trips home on the weekend and he wouldn't invite me to come with him. Occasionally, I would notice a strange car in his driveway. When I questioned him on these incidences, he would just tap dance around the issue. He kept telling me he needed time alone to think about "our" future. He said that he had been visiting with his pastor on the weekends he went home without me. Said he was discussing our relationship and where we were headed. Well, I didn't have any reason to suspect he was seeing someone else, so I assumed he was discussing our future and marriage. One Sunday night, we had tickets to see Envogue and Luther Vandross in concert. He was supposed to pick me up at 6:30 and we were driving to Birmingham for the concert. He had been "home" over the weekend but assured me he would be back in time and we would go to the concert. Well, he never showed. I was distraught. I finally reached him by telephone around midnight and he just said that something had come up at home and he was sorry we missed the concert. Well, by then, I suspected there was another woman back home. So, I got in my car the next morning and drove to his home town to meet with his pastor (I had met him on a number of occasions before, so he knew me). I told him that I knew "Tom" had been meeting with him and that I knew he could not talk about the things that they had discussed but that I wanted to know what I could be doing to help our relationship move to the next level. He let me go on for about an hour and finally looked at me and said, "I haven't seen "Tom" in months". I was devastated. He had been lying to me the entire time. I drove to his mother's office and told her what had happened. We were both sobbing. We went to dinner and had a few glasses of wine. She wouldn't let me drive back home because I was so upset and I'd been drinking so I spent the night in "Tom's" room at his mother's house. The next day, I got up early and drove home and confronted "Tom". I slid his pastor's business card across my desk and told him that I had been to see him. He still wouldn't confess. Told me "that was his story and he was sticking to it." <bad country song>

Anyway, to wrap this up. I soon discovered he was seeing "Sally". I was crazed. I lost 40 pounds in 4 months and was on sleeping pills, anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medication. I was SICK! Had it not been for my friends, my family and my faith, I would have never made it through.

He is now married to "Sally" and they have two children. He was my one true love and it took me over two years to get beyond the devastation. I still love him and think about him often. We have since become friends again, but we never discuss the past and he does not talk about his wife and children to me. I think he still feels guilty about what happened.

Sorry about the long story. It brings tears to my eyes to revisit this part of my life. But alas, it's made me who I am today. Much stronger and more aware of how much I "give" in a relationship. I'm not so quick to put all my cards on the table. There is a barrier to my heart and it's going to take a very special man to break down that wall. Hence the reason I am 36 and never married. I pray that one day, I will be blessed with an honest man that loves me unconditionally. Thank you for allowing me the time to share this story.

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:16 am
And thank you for sharing it.

It is truly amazing how you got through that mess.

I'm sitting here shaking my head for two reasons, first because I can't imagine how much strength you had to muster up to get passed this situation to the point of becoming friends with this guy again. The second reason is because it is just ODD how destiny has a way of twisting things to create what is meant to be. And what seems like was meant to be was "Tom" and "Sally" bringing children into the world and you getting the opportunity to find someone much better for you.

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:22 am
Xenia...you are so right. And the tears flow again...

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:54 am Click here to edit this post
CHALLENGE 7 - THEME SONG --
POSTED BY HOST

We need a theme song!

Your viewers have been stumbling through their time away from the monitor longing for a way to feel connected. Several have taken to humming a little tune that reminds them of their beloved BGs, but no one knows the words!

We aren't sure exactly what the melody is, but from the bits and pieces we've heard, it sounds a lot like the Bee Gees singing "Stayin' Alive."

Your task is to write lyrics for this tune, describing your experience in The Game. We realize this is an old song, so here are a couple of links to help you out.

The complete lyrics can be viewed at this site:
www.eddy.mv.ru/bee/song.dir/sa.html

A clip to remind you how this classic tune sounds can be heard here:
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000001F2F001005/002-6008595-8270466

Please discuss how to proceed, then post your song in the Final Song area by 7:00 p.m. PST Friday.
Get those hips and keyboards movin' folks! Saturday Night Fever needs updating!
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DISCUSSION FOR CHALLENGE 7

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 06:53 pm
Disco! Well, for the record (no pun intended as far as you know), I'd like to state that disco sucks! That set aside, I will also say at least she didn't pick "Disco Duck" by Rick Dees and His Cast of Idiots". A song I remembel all too well when it camer out in 1973 (I was in Turkey).

Hey all you talented, imaginative, musically inclined folks (Luke, you listening--hehe) just to let you know, I'll be doing some coat tail riding this time around!!

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:00 pm
This sounds like fun... I can dance but I don't know what I can do with lyrics... I will help if I can!

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:03 pm
Here is the Lyrics

Stayin' Alive

Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a woman's man: no time to talk.
Music loud and women warm, I've been kicked around
since I was born.
And now it's all right. It's OK.
And you may look the other way.
We can try to understand
the New York Times' effect on man.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
you're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Well now, I get low and I get high,
and if I can't get either, I really try.
Got the wings of heaven on my shoes.
I'm a dancin' man and I just can't lose.
You know it's all right. It's OK.
I'll live to see another day.
We can try to understand
the New York Times' effect on man.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
you're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah. Stayin' alive.

Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I'm a woman's man: no time to talk.
Music loud and women warm,
I've been kicked around since I was born.
And now it's all right. It's OK.
And you may look the other way.
We can try to understand
the New York Times' effect on man.

Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
you're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
I'm stayin' alive.

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:05 pm
Well, I can change most any lyrics so they are in the gutter....one of my few "talents". LOL

Although I'm betting that isn't where we want to go with this.......how appropriate that the BGs will be covering a some by the BGs...."Board Guests cover song by Brother's Gibb"...film at 11:00

Maybe Disco Duck isn't sounding all that bad???

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:10 pm
KC and The Sunshine Band....."Do a litle dance..make a little love..get down tonight, get down tonight.."

Shit, I am so freakin old!!! ROFLMAO!!

I was around when all of these came out..and I wasn't a little kid!

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:21 pm
I was around too! I am sorry to date myself here....

I loved KC and the Sunshine Boys... Commadors ... Earth Wind & Fire

OMG The Bay City Rollers,, somebody stop me!

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:32 pm
Stayin' Alive

Well, you can tell by the way he post,
He is a woman's man: known as Roger Ram to most.
Challenges here and discussions there,
He keeps his cool and his temperment fair

First Verse ... I am trying

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:48 pm
We met in the hot tub ...It's OK.
You may look the other way.
We can try to break the seal
But how 'bout 'New York Times' effect on Neil.

?second verse

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:50 pm
Whether it's Xenia, Arreal, HiMay or Vykin
We're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Work thru the tension - unity is the mission
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:53 pm
4th versre...?

5th verse
Whether it's Moondance, Luke, Roger or Zebulon
We're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
The rules a breakin'? and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 07:54 pm
On man! It's been ages since I wrote lyrics. Where is that person who used to do BB song parodies on the BB board? Why isn't he here NOW?

I'll have to ponder this one...

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:02 pm
I'm gonna work on a verse or two and post them back here.

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:38 pm
THE BAY CITY ROLLERS!!!! I LOVED THEM!!!

I was around 6-8 when the disco thing hit and I remember all of it.

My favorite song from the SNF soundtrack has to be "Jive Talkin'". Love that song!

Back to brainstorming...

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:48 pm
Xenia... I love that you remeber them ... Yeah somebody else did!

Vykin ... how was the doctor?... are you feeling better?

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:49 pm
I think Moon has a good start. Let's use her suggestion for the 1st Chorus:

Whether it's Xenia, Arreal, HiMay or Vykin
We're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Work thru the tension - unity is the mission
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

And then her suggestion for the 2nd chorus:

Whether it's Moondance, Luke, Roger or Zebulon
We're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
The rules a breakin'? and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

During the 3rd chorus we need to merge everyone to bring it full circle.

That would leave us with the 3 verses (the verses start with "Well.." in the original song.) And then the bridge (the "life's goin' nowhere..." part). I think the bridge will be the hardest to write.

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:53 pm
You know the more I look at this song (the original) the more I realize what how much this song sucks. Sometimes it's just better not to know the words and to just hum them or make them up as you go along...

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:01 pm
Xenia LOL... better not to know the words!

Very funny... I just saw a commercial on Tv for Mercedes and they were using Stayin alive as the theme song to their crash test...

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:02 pm
Thats what we are ... a crash test!

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:17 pm
Hey Moon, are you going to be around later? We should chat in the living room. Everyone has spilled details about who they are, but we really don't know much about you.

And not to worry, I have no self-serving motives.

I just think it's fair that you have your time in the spotlight.

I know, I'll interview you!!!

Will you be around?

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:23 pm
I can be around for at least another hour... is that long enough?... just let me know when... I guess I owe you a couple questions to be directed at me
Here I thought I was talking too much about myself!

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:50 pm
I'm going to finish watching "Angel" and then we'll meet in the living room in about 15 minutes?

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:52 pm
Hey is it ok if I join in?? Or would you like it a private conversation??

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 09:55 pm
Please ... the more the merrier... I hope

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:39 pm
how about "trying to survive" instead of staying alive?

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:41 pm
Vyk--we are in the living room...AND I've wanted to ask all day about your rtip to the doc--are you ok guy????????

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:55 pm
How about:
We're heading nowhere, brains turned to mush
We are beyond help, yeah!
No banners flying, Skies have been hushed
WE are beyond help, yeah! Tryin' to survive

instead of:

Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah. Stayin' alive.

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Luke
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:32 pm
Hello everyone! Wow... we're singing now! Hehehehe

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:24 am
I like your idea Giblets.

So we've got Chorus 1 and 2 done and the bridge (which is then repeated at the end).

We have the 3 verses and the last chorus to write.

I'm going to try and take a stab at a verse.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:37 am
Xenia, you are a pretty impressive person...good night.

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:30 am
Great progress on the theme song! I'm going to wait until I get to work and download the music and print out what you have so far. I'll give my thoughts in a few hours. I guess we have to pull this together pretty quick today! So much going on today...Is someone planning on putting Roger down as our final choice for the reward? Nominations are due by 3 and the song lyrics too! Whew!

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:30 am
HiMays I think the song lyrics are due on Friday aren't they?
I still think the song (the real one sucks!) Could it be our Host is in a time warp?

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:27 am
Ahh, Vyk, you are correct sir! I don't know about the time warp. It's obvious he/she picked the song because of the title, "Stayin Alive", LOL. Brings back lots of memories from high school. I'll work on some lyrics this morning and post them....I don't claim to be good at this but I want to contribute as much as I can.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:06 am Click here to edit this post
STILL PLAYING CATCH UP:

VIRTUAL HOUSE -- LIVING ROOM -- XENIA'S INTERVIEW OF MOONDANCE -- PART 1

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:03 pm
Moon? Roger? Are you here?

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:05 pm
Here!

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:06 pm
I'm here

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:08 pm
OK!!! It's cool if you're here Roger! You can ask questions too.

First things first, You must tell us about your acting. Tell us how you decided that acting was what you wanted to pursue? What has been the best acting gig you've had so far?

(I'm not going to proofread these posts so that this can go faster...)

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:15 pm
sorry had a computer freeze!

I knew I wanted to be an actress when I was six!... I love to perform... my first was a tap dance program when I was 4....

I went to school for a Theater/Dance major....

My favorite gig was a Musical I did "Godspell" Is that what you meant by best...

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:20 pm
Everyone says how cut-throat the whole LA acting scene is. Have you found this to be true? How have you stayed grounded while working in an industry that promotes and rewards a certain degree of shallowness. How have you not lost yourself?

Or, do you think the general public has the wrong idea of what goes on in LA? Is there a sense of community anoungst actors?

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:29 pm
First, as far as the community goes... I think that is a persons responsibility to surround one's self with the quality people who share the same goals... I am lucky because I have a small group of friends I can rely on.

Yes, it does have it's shallowness to it but it is all what you buy into ... you were talking about age and I truly believe as a society we have put so many 'age' limits on ourselves...LA is head of the pack... I find myself getting down sometimes because I am getting older but I try to remind myself not to buy into it. I love Deepak Chopra BTW ... he has a great take on the age thing.

All in all I try to be true to myself but it is challenging in an industry like I am in

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:30 pm
What do you think is the best way you express yourself? Is it through your acting or some other medium?

Roger, jump in at any time!

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:37 pm
Why? Xenia's asking some great questions. I don't believe in screwing up a good thing. I am interested in learning something new as well...

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:37 pm
I have so many venues that I like to express myself ... sometimes I feel if I focused more on one I would excel to an another level... Acting, dancing, I love to make things ... give me power tools!

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:38 pm
What is the biggest thing missing from your life right now?

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:41 pm
Good health...

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:42 pm
Do you want to elaborat?

Crap...I meant "elaborate"... But then you guys knew that...

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:50 pm
It's getting better but this year has been a test... I was diagnosed with pre-cervical cancer... It was at a med - low stage but it still screwed with my hormones! Among other things. I had a couple of surgeries & suffered from sever depression to a point of not wanting to be here but I was blessed with my Mom and a few good friends who were there for me. I had a good check up last month and things seem to be getting back to normal... if normal is good

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 10:53 pm
That's wonderful!! (That things are getting better, that is. ) Sometimes extreme health scares really help to put things into perspective.

Ok, next question...

Judging from your photo, you're very beautiful. How has the way you look affected your life? Has it brought you more opportunites (that you are consciously aware of) or caused any minor problems (say jealousy from guys you were dating)?

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:04 pm
just popping in to say I'm taking an early nite, i posted possible verse in themesong.
roger saw ur question. Goin to hospital for few hrs of tests, scans. Dr. as usually vague, until they run some blood tests, and scan, keep getting extremely painful and sharp pains upper back neck.
Nite all, should be done by afternoon, but may check in here at 6am. I rise at 5am.
By the way, Moon was it u who said, when u hear the song you realize how much you hate it?
i echo that.

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:04 pm
Can I just say first that we all have adversities (my illness) and the blessing is the strength that we use to over come them ... you are a testament to this, Xenia. You are legally blind but that hasn't stopped you from blind a fabulous writer.

My looks... uumm. Thank you for saying I am beautiful... I would rather be considered beautiful on the inside ... it lasts longer!

This is uncomfortable for me to tell you the truth ... let me think first ... hold on

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:05 pm
I think that was Xenia...
Hope all is well Vy... please take care! Sweet Dreams!

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:07 pm
You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

I have a million other questions we can move on to.

Good night Giblets...

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:07 pm
Vyk--hope all goes well. Take the helmet for luck...of course I don't hold much stock in luck. Be well---I can buy into that. Good night Vykin.

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:08 pm
In fact, let's move on to the next one and if you feel comfortable later, you can answer the beauty question...

Where does your passion for helping animals stem from?

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:11 pm
I consider myself average but I do think I have my good days... You are beautiful, Xenia so I think you could put this into words better.

I have only had a couple of jealous boyfriends but I think that is an issue with in themselves ... really nothing to do with me

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:19 pm
No..no...Moon. You're beautiful. I'd say I'm "cute". You radiate that essence of beauty (either that or the photographer who took the that b&w was a genius. )

My photos were self-portraits and I don't think I captured my essence. Of course having a remote shutter release would have HELPED. It sucks to have to push the self-timer then run in front of the camera and compose yourself within 10 seconds...

BY THE WAY...

Roger, our conversation last night inspired me to buy a new (used) camera on eBay today! Thanks, Rog (I think...)

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:19 pm
I can talk about animals!... The have such a capacity for unconditional love ... it blows me away. I fight for souls who can't defend themselves... For some reason they find me. One of my cats ... in fact Zelda was thrown out of a moving car right in front of me. She was only a kitten. They threw her like a piece of trash!

I have brought home every animal under the sun home to save since I was 3... according to my Mom.

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:20 pm
Is your life considerably different now then you thought it would have been ten years ago?

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:23 pm
Very cool about your camera Xen... Amazing how you express yourself

I think you are beautiful...it was kind of how I pictured you.

Aren't you bored of me yet?

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:14 am Click here to edit this post
LIVING ROOM -- XENIA'S INTERVIEW OF MOONDANCE -- PART 2

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:24 pm
No...no...a few more questions. I know you said you weren't sticking around long. Four more?

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:30 pm
I try not to live with expectations ... "egos biggest disappointment"

I am not sure what I thought I would be doing... I am working as an actor and a private trainer... I love my jobs... Plans for the next 10 years... I have done a lot of work and I am ready for a healthy relationship ... if it doesn't happen ... it doesn't happen I will still do what I love ...

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:33 pm
Move over Oprah... Xenias' in the house

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Luke
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:33 pm
Hey everyone! Is this where the action is?

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:33 pm
What kind of guys do you generally attract into your life? Are you aware of any patterns in personality traits they possess?

Are you looking for someone who is unlike anyone you have ever been with?

I have three more left to copy and paste.

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Roger_Ramjet
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:36 pm
Luke--Take a quick read of Xenia's interview of Moon--great questions/great answers--and info of Vyk trown in. Settle in my friend for Xenia's Corner!

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Luke
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:39 pm
You're right... cool interview... continue, everyone!

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:43 pm
Xenia ... do you want to be voted out or do you want to stay now?

Guys, I am usually are attracted to ... ones that were not capable of commitment. Also I find the men I have been with are not emotional available ... ironically though I have mirrored this... I was not ready then but I think I am getting close. I had some issues I needed to put to rest ... some to do with my Dad... The guys I had in my life were always going to 'leave' thus the abandonment issue rearing it's ugly head! We pull into our life what we are ready for ... and I was ready to learn that lesson for the 10th and final time Next time I will be with someone who might leave or might not... it won't matter... I will be there for the love and nothing else (other than maybe good sex)!

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:44 pm
Heya Luke, We're almost done. Then you can keep Roger company. I think Moon has to go. And I know I have to get some work done.

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:44 pm
Hi Luke!!!!

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:46 pm
Are you a very sexual person?

I'll answer your question as soon as I post this one.

I am not going to reveal the answer to that question. If I say no I don't want to be here, I would be being redundant and boring. If I say yes, that would be admitting defeat.

Let's just say, I have chilled out considerably...but not COMPLETELY.

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Moondance
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:54 pm
I think I am very sexual... I was not comfortable with my sexuality though until about seven years ago. I was acquaintance raped and it changed my life. It was a blessing...
I was forced to face a lot of things about myself and realized I had things tha had to be worked through.

Good answer X

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Xenia
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 11:58 pm
Moon: I should comment on your post about me rising above my lack of eye sight. Don't kid yourself, I've also used my "visual imparement" to manipulate and scam people into giving me whatever I needed/wanted at various times. It has also helped me get out of trouble. People have this predisposed notion that "disabled" people are stupid and have low expectations. I have f-cked over so many people because of I recognized their narrow-mindedness and took advantage of it.

Believe me, I am no poster girl for overcoming strife.

Next:

You seem to be a really understanding and compassionate person who would inspire people to be open with you.

Do you think of yourself as being an open person yourself or do you gaurd a side of yourself--habor secrets from your past--that no one else is exposed to?

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:03 am
didn't think you were a poster girl you can put a negitive spin on it but I still have respect for you doing what you love (writing) without it stopping you!

I think I am pretty open and if I am not comfortable about an area or subject… I am honest about it.

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:08 am
Second last question...

(I slipped in the sexual one spontaneously...)

What is it that you hope to bring into the lives of people who come into your life?

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:25 am Click here to edit this post
LIVING ROOM -- XENIA'S INTERVIEW OF MOONDANCE -- PART 3

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:14 am
Compassion... I had a problem of giving too much ... it really comes from just wanting what you are giving (hope this makes sense … getting tired) ... so I try to give what I want to give ... no strings attached and I feel I can give compassion without strings.

One Scorpio Moon to another... there has to be a sexual question thrown in

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:16 am
LOL!

Final question:

Intuitively, I'd say, you probably have a natural gift for teaching. Do you feel drawn to teaching or helping to bring out the best in people? If not, have you figured out what your life purpose is or come close to figuring it out?

Luke? Roger?
Still here?

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:17 am
Yup... still here

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:18 am
here! Being attentive listener/learner

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:29 am
Sorry lost my connection uurrggh

Life purpose... I haven't had that ahah moment about this but I do know what I love and fills my life ... the smile, emotion or empathy for a person I can do for an audience. An amazing feeling to be able to move or effect someone's life... A wonderful selfish gift.

I love to inspire a client to better themselves...nothing like getting healthy to make a person happy. I love to help and am learning to be the helper without any other motivation than to help. I love to be needed but want to learn to be wanted.

I learn to teach and teach to learn... My Mom has been my inspiration for this

PS
I love my animals and would want to eventualy open a rescue ranch

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:31 am
This has been fun!!!
Thanks for revealing yourself, Moon.
Speaking for myself, I've learned a lot.

I wanted to briefly elaborate on why I wanted to do this. I personally despise it when people have exchanges where one person asks a question and the other person answers but then doesn't recipricate by asking the first person a question in return. (I witnessed it a lot while watching BB...and I hated it.)

You have always been encouraging of others openning up and you have been supportive of whatever information each of us has revealed. Like I had said, it was time that you had your turn in the spotlight.

Ok...I'm outta here.

Luke, Roger...it's your turn now.

Have a good night everyone.

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:32 am
Hmmm that was quite interesting... who's left in here?

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:33 am
Xenia, can I ask a question about something you said a bit ago, or would you prefer to wait till tomorrow?

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:35 am
Thank you Xenia... you ask some tough questions... it will give me something to think about... I thank you for that.

I am sorry guys.. I have to get up in 4 hours to be the princess of pain to my clients...
lets talk tomorrow Luke & Roger! Sweet Dreams!

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:37 am
Have a VERY good night Moon, and thank you for sharing all those things about yourself. It was gretaly appreciated and enjoyed.

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:39 am
Good nite to the both of you--Mooon and Xenia...

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INTERVIEW OVER -- LIVING ROOM DISCUSSION CONTINUES

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:39 am
Is it just us left, Roger?

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:41 am
It would seem so Luke! How are things going, and how did you like that?

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:44 am
I think it was a great insight into Moondance... Moon is a great person... and I love getting to know her more...
I kinda wish we could do that with more of us in here though... Xenia's a pretty good interviewer!

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:47 am
I concur with you on both accounts!! I think it's great that Xenia is letting more of her abilities show to us. I saw glimpses of what she has going for her earlier on.

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:49 am
How was your day? I just got back to the office... yup, the office... I'm here printing out a pamphlet for the memorial service... it was a good evening...

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:54 am
I'm here at work too of course. Day sucked pretty much, and the night provided some bad news as well...at least I think it is. I'll find out tomorrow no later than 3:30.

Hey, Luke, since we are allowed to look at the BB USA site, I go there once in awhile to see whta's up. You should go there, pick general, and look at a thread that is now next to top called "Brit-Curtis come here first" Or something like that. There is 2 posts on it. Check out the second post.!

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:54 am
hmmm... going now...

Roger--they're talking about us! what do you think they meant when they said: "would love to have you in there as a guest" or something like that?

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:02 am
Ya know, I dodn't know what the heck that meant!! I saw that the second post referred to us, and thought you might enjoy seeing a perspective that someone has. They must be kicking people off for psoting there about the game or something, because it sure doesn't happen. I thought that was an interesting tidbit. Something to think about if anyone else joins us.

What do you think of the song challenge????

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:05 am
Don't like the song too much... hehehe but it gives us a chance to get somewhat creative! See, Roger... here's your chance to be musical without having to sing out loud!

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:10 am
Yes, if I had any musical skills. Unfortunately my thoughts about our experience don't shuffle out to verses of a song. Wish I could though, as I think it looks fun. About the only thing worse is giving me a pipe wrench to fix piping goofed up just a little. In that area, I could screw up a wet dream!!!

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:13 am
I'll probalby give a shot at it tomorrow in the morning...

I was thinking I would be able to stay up a bit and chat... but I'm not looking forward to tomorrow--I'll be leaving work early tomorrow and will be off all day Thursday... should make the week fly by quickly!

But before I go... so tell me Roger... what are some things you'd like to see--or are curious about--on the outside bulletin boards during your 10 minutes tomorrow?

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:16 am
Given we have only 10 minutes, a general take on a few subjects--what do they think of the game in general, what do they think of our RRs, what might be the most common high point (and low point) about us/the game, and maybe a general impression on each of us as BGs in the house.

And you???

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:18 am
I'd like to know what kind of topics they'd like is to be discussing... They have a pretty good idea of our personalities by now... I think they could come up with some topics that could really get us goin...

Oh no, Roger... my eyes are closing... and I still have to head home... Tomorrow night I might be able to stay a bit longer... but I think I'm gonna need to turn in...

What time do you usually get to bed?

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:22 am
Bed time is depenent upon any BG that wants ot chat, and the pace I've taken with work after hours...with the first affecting that the most. Usually between 2:00 and 4:00.

I'll let you get going, and I'll make a couple of posts to dicussions that I have given some thought toward. Again, sorry to hear of your loss, and hope things go as well as can be expected. We shall talk more tomorrow! Good-night Luke.

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:24 am
Definitely... there were about 8 of us over at the house... we ate, talked about memories of her brother... and planned the service... we even got out the electronic keyboard and started singing a bit... It was a good evening, and she was really cheered up by all of us being there...

I'll look forward to reading your posts in the morning... You always seem to have a fresh outlook on the discussion topics!

Have a good night yourself, my friend.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:28 am Click here to edit this post
I THINK WE'RE CAUGHT UP NOW
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LIVING ROOM

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:19 am
Wow Xenia....Oprah has nothing on you! I hope I can sit next to you on the couch one night. I have a hard time just spilling my life, but maybe you can pry me open and get some stuff out! When is your next talk show?? We ought to open a new thread....<thinking of titles>

Xenia (instead of Oprah )
X Magazine
The Couch

hehehe, can you tell I'm still a little sleepy? Anyway, I really enjoyed reading your interview with Moon. Wonderful insight! Thanks for opening up Moon. Sorry I missed it live!

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Xenia
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:31 am
You are so sweet, Himay!!! Your "X Magazine" idea the idea wheels in my head begin to turn...

I'll catch you later...

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:16 am
Roflmao, morning luke, roger, moon, xenia, himays I see ur up early too. Well there is nothing like starting a morning with the roar of jet plans overhead flying a new banner.
Does anyone in here know who Curtis and Brit are????
Anywhose I'm just popping in on my way to get prodded and probed by some unknown persons who claim they may be doctors. (You never know, those degrees they hang on their office walls are always in fine print. I'll be back in the afternoon. So I have an hour to catch up on the Late Night Converse in here.
Gonna do that and see u later.

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:52 am
Hmmm... doesn't look like anyone has been in here for a while... If your in here, and just being quiet, Good Morning to you! I'm going to be working on some important posts to the discussion topics that I really have been stalling on for the past couple of days... But I'm here if anyone else is around...

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:37 am Click here to edit this post
LIVING ROOM

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:57 am
Luke, it would appear timing was good in seeing you here. Your note this morning on my death post...did I say something that bothered you??

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:03 am
Good Morning!!!
Going to check around...

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:06 am
Morning Roger! Morning Moon!

Roger---on the contrary-- I came home last night, forgot that I hadn't done my RedRoom Update, and I just read your post before turning in...
Your comments really moved me a lot... and I continue to be amazed how well I relate to you and share in the way you think and feel...
I logged on again this morning and saw that you immediately read my response and I thought to myself... "Oooh! I'd better tell him I crashed within seconds after that last post!" hehehe

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:10 am
I'm working on some thought-out responses for the discussion board that I've been putting off for a while... and today is going to be a short workday for me... so I want to dedicate most of my time to posting in here...

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:11 am
Hi Luke!

How is your day so far? How is your friend doing?

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:16 am
Good Morning, Moon! Last night there were about 8 of us at her house... When I arrived everyone was chatting at the dinner table... It was good to be able to talk about her memories of her brother. Apparently they were really close, and she is his only close surviving relative. After eating, we practiced the songs we'll be singing for the memorial service (all of my friends just happen to be choir members along with me), and then I came back to the office to work on the booklet we'll be handing out at the funeral. It'll be a beautiful service, and I'm feeling really good that I can be of support to her.

When I got back to the office, Xenia was busily interviewing you. How did you like being the interviewee? I wish we could do that with more of us in here... It was nice to get to know you more through that chat last nite...

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:18 am
Moon!! Nice to see you! Great information from you last night!

Luke--thanks for clarifying. I know my posts get long in most cases--last night's was long even for me. Ended up saying some pretty striaght forward things--not everyone can connect with any one message. Glad you got something of worth out of it, and thanks for saying so.

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:23 am
How's your wokday looking, Roger? Gonna hang out in here? Or are you up to your knees in chemicals?

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:25 am
Hi Luke, Moon and Roger! I'm getting ready to do my RR for the day. Nominations....UGH!!! I am clueless about who to nominate. Thank goodness there aren't any dice around, hehehe!

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:28 am
Himay--Good morning! You can always use Sean's technique (from Survivor) and go alphabetically!

(IMO that was soooo dumb! I'd expect more from a doctor!)

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DISCUSSION TOPIC -- DEATH

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 09:48 am
I'm not afraid of my own death for I know that heaven's pearly gates are wide open for me. I will be with my Savior and my God upon my physical death.

I am afraid of other things relating to dying. I'm afriad of alzheimers, incontinence and bed sores. I'm afraid of bolis feedings and IV hydration to support my life. I'm afraid of losing the ability to have meaningful conversations with loved ones. I'm afraid of pain associated with certain illnesses that result in death. I'm afraid of dying in an unnatural, enexpected, terror filled event. I'm afraid of dying alone.


I have also witnessed a death of a patient in a nursing home. The man had cancer and had been unconcious for about four days. His family had decided to let him die peacefully and to not force feed or give hydration. I was in his room with him, rubbing lotion on his body, which always seemed to make him relax. He passed away while I was tending him. This was the first death that I had ever seen.

I helped the mortician move him from the bed to the gurny and watched him zip up the black bag.

Soon his daughters came and we hugged and talked.
It was liberating for his family because it was a long and painful illness. They were sad at the loss, but they were at peace because they knew he was at peace.

My grandmother died in a similar way, at home. She died in her sleep after many years of pain and weakness from osteoporosis. Our family grieved for OUR loss, but we were relieved her pain and suffering was finally over.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 11:14 am Click here to edit this post
CHALLENGE 7 THEME SONG -- DISCUSSION AREA

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:27 am
Fun challenge! Xenia and Moon you're doing great.
Wish I could help, but I couldn't even write limericks.

I'll be here to bring the beer and coffee and pizza for all you hard working disco junkies.

BTW, you old peeps, you recall the song Kung Fu Fighting? lol I had to bring up another bad memory since you were talking about it earlier.
Evil me.

For Moon and Xenia:

you write the songs that make the whole board sing
you write the songs of posts and parody
you write the songs that help us remember Gail
you change the songs, you change the songs.

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:35 am
stay on the topic folks please

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:51 am
Well, you can tell by the way we write our posts
that we're desperate guests, tryin to win,
Topics sad and topics glad-
we've been posting so much since we've been here.
Now it's alright, it's okay
Two board guests gone, eight remain.
We can try to understand
two more will fall and six will stay

CHORUS

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:53 am
Arreal---a "Barely a Manalow" song? Kung Fu Fighting?? What next, "Chevy Van"?? LOL

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 11:03 am
Arreal LOL hey BTW... I miss you...


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PARTNER CHEATING TOPIC

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:24 am
I love girl bonding

It helps when we share like this because I think we can see a little part of ourselves in each other and can be inspired by others strengths... Thanks May for opening up on this and of course Thank you Xenia for asking another important question

I will post on this soon!

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:38 am
My partner would never do it

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:42 am
Vykin... I don't think anyone... not even someone who's been married monogomously for over 50 years could ever say that his/her partner would never do it. I only say this because the friends that I have who swear that their partners are 100% faithful are the same friends who crash and burn the worst once they find out that they were wrong.
But for the sake of the discussion... do you know what you would do if HYPOTHETICALLY your partner were to be unfaithful?
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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:42 am
Luke--lots going on. The waste handling will be less intense today--just verification testing of the waste brought in to the facility today.

May--LOL about the dice.

Sean's method! That was funny...it seemed to be personal for him..the nominations I mean. He didn't want to pick someone based on any criteria

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:53 am
Alphabetically, LOL. Vyk, Xenia and Zeb would sure be safe.....

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:54 am
So Roger, is there any way all those chemicals could have a long-term adverse effect on your health? Like they're not toxic, are they?

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 10:55 am
Hey May... can I borrow your dice... this sucks!!!!!

Luke... I am sure that was great for her to sit around and share her memories. I am so glad she has a support group within her firends, I cannot imagine what it woulf be like ti have no ther living realitives... makes me grateful for what I have....

The truth about the interview... Xenia knows how to asks questions and extract info
Funny because I have felt I have been talking to much about myself anyway (before teh interview)... I want to know more about everyone here... I think May had a great Idea... X Magizine thread and each one of us gets to be interviewed by Xenia... She is gooood!

Hi Roger Rabbit! I am concerned about what you said about your job... is everything better?

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:02 pm Click here to edit this post
THEME SONG DISCUSSION --

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 11:14 am
What we have so far?

1st Chorus
Whether it's Xenia, Arreal, HiMay or Vykin
We're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Work thru the tension - unity is the mission
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

2nd Chorus
Whether it's Moondance, Luke, Roger or Zebulon
We're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
The rules a breakin'? and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Bridge
We're heading nowhere, brains turned to mush
We are beyond help, yeah!
No banners flying, Skies have been hushed
WE are beyond help, yeah! Tryin' to survive

Vykin... I feel like a little puppy dog following you around asking how you are but you still haven't told me about your Doctors appt and how you are feeling... I knew you would come back to here so... wanted to let you know I was thinking about you....

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:04 pm
HEY ROG!!!
I LIKE Barry so pttttttllll
Kung Fu, okay that was a stretch.

Any thots on the verse I wrote above? Should I keep trying or just give it up already.

Moon, I miss you too. I miss my late night chats and being able to participate in ANY conversation.
Kind of hard to be in one when it takes 10 minutes to respond to each thing tho. 2 more days.....

I do like Vyk's version of "Trying to survive"
a tad bit more than Stayin alive. I think it says more so that this is a game and everyone wants to win and survive banishment. ???

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:11 pm
Arreal... everybody been kung fu fightn'

I liked your verse... keep it up.. I didn't see it when I posted the others but yeah... keep goin'

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 12:36 pm
Okay... How long do we have left for this song?

We got the first verse down and the choruses... Lemme try and work on the second verse...

Boy, the original version of this song sucks!

Okay... how is this for the second verse:

Well now we get low and we get high
We’ll win the challenge, or at least we’ll try
And we’ll try to respect each other’s views
We’re all teammates now and we just can’t lose.
Now it's alright, it's okay
We’re learning from each other’s ways
We can try to understand
that we are not the best singing band!

SECOND CHORUS

The original lyrics repeat the first verse, the first chorus, and the bridge...

Are we allowed to repeat our first verse, first chorus, and our bridge? If so, we're done....

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:05 pm
I think we should not repeat....

the 1 & 2 chorus are fine ... but the 3rd chorus should combine the two .... I am talking about the names
Check it out Luke... ket me know Music man

BTW ... Great 2nd verse

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:43 pm
I loved the second Verse....wtg Luke Awesome, I could even sing it.

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CHALLENGE REWARD DISCUSSION

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Luke
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 03:58 pm
Go Roger! Go Roger! Go Roger!

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Zebulon
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 05:31 pm
Roger it is.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:23 pm
Hey everyone, if I am the one to go, I'd like to make sure I look at what evreyone is most interested in knowing about. Please list by priority, the top, say, 4 things that interest you. We can look to see the commone ones, and th ones that aren't all common to come up with priority list for me to work from.

10 minutes isn't a lot, especially if there are 500 posts for a single subject. Also, dicsuss the level of detail you'd like to see. Let's make this as rewarding as possible for as many of us as possible!!!

PLEASE provide your thoughts today or tomorrow before the visit. As far as I know, that time hasn't been esptablished, and by the note, Host indicates reading is what's allowed!!

Thanks for your confidence in my abilities and in my fairness. I look forward to bringing back an accurate account of what they think and feel.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:08 pm Click here to edit this post
ZEBSCUSSION TOPIC -- BANKRUPTCY...

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Zebulon
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 06:25 pm
While the employment rate seems to say more people have jobs and are working now, many people are "underemployed". Too many large companies have down-sized and the people who were laid off have had to take jobs at a pay rate lower than when they incurred most of their debt. I agree with everyone above that the economy is being driven by out of control spending. People spend more than they decide to save for themselves. Credit card balances have increased at a much higher rate than the increase in the pay scale.

What upsets me more is the fact that credit card companies are giving people credit cards who can literally not afford anymore debt. When those same people file for bankruptcy, these same companies are the first ones to complain. Remember that they charge as much as 24% because of the risk. It's a prime investment for the lender while the borrower's financial life slowly crumbles apart.

The best way out of this situation is to consolodate revolving debt into a fixed loan with a fixed interest rate. There is a BIG difference between revolving interest (credit cards) and fixed interest (bank loans, car loan, mortgage). In some instances, a home equity loan is the best solution as long as you are smart about it and don't let the lender trick you into adding more debt.

You see...money doesn't come with any type of manual and they certainly don't teach how to properly save and spend money in school. Kids should be learning a few basic principles in elementary school.

Most people, especially around age 35 and 40 (when they actually get around to thinking about saving for retirement), can't fathom accumulating a million dollars or more. It seems out of reach...mainly because they have no money to save. It all goes towards debt payments. The fact is they could do it with a little bit of proper financial knowledge.

I'm very thankful for the principles my friend and mentor taught to me. I never knew these things and certainly didn't think about retirement when I was in my 20s. Most people don't even think about it in their 30s. Albert Einstein said that Compound Interest is the most powerful force in the universe. There's a common financial principle called the Rule of 72. It basically states that if you take the interest rate you're getting on your money and divide it into 72, it tells you how many years it takes a one lump sum deposit to double. How many doubling periods do you have in your life and are you getting the best rate of return? Do you think the banks know the Rule of 72 when they make you a loan or dish out a 14-24% credit card? You bet they do. That's why they make them so easy to obtain. Don't fall for it.

I'll just end there and I know this may not be a comfortable topic for discussion by some. However, it's important to know what's going on around us and how we can overcome or avoid the pitfalls. I'm anxious to hear other points of view on this.

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Vykin
Tuesday, October 17, 2000 - 08:12 pm
Zeb interesting Rule of 72, I never heard of it before. Goes to show a person can learn something new in here everday.

,You said: "money doesn't come with any type of manual and they certainly don't teach how to properly save and spend money in school. Kids should be learning a few basic principles in elementary school". Absolutely agree, you know what really bothers me is the credit card companies are setting up booths in colleges and universities and literally handing out cards to young students, like candy!
Also, my son will go to university next year, and I registered with a legitimate site, for scholarship searches for him. Guess what the first item was? You Got it. A lovely advertisement saying something to effect of:

Please click here to obtain your Mastercard automatically! We know as a student you don't want to have any financial worries.

Pissed me rite off! (That's why we're searching for scholarships, so he wouldn't have any worries, but to offer a credit card? Give me a break!

Regardless, I found your topic quite interesting Zeb. Don't know about the others, but interesting for me.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:17 pm
I'm glad I reached you in some way, Vykin. It's tough to reach everyone because financial matters is not something people want to deal with until it's too late. Getting out of a financial pitfall can't happen overnight. It takes a well rounded plan and patience. It takes a while to get into debt and will take a little while to get out. The speed of that is determined by the plan.

Of course, the best course of action is to educate everyone in hopes they can avoid the pitfalls. I understand your anger about the credit cards being handed out to students. Look at the extraordinarily high interest rates. Did you know credit cards have over 60 ways of calculating interest? The companies make them sound so great and easy to use, but it's poisoned candy for most people...ESPECIALLY college teens. I know. I was one of them. With a little bit of patience and use of the Rule of 72, paying for things on a cash basis could quickly become a reality.

Savings accounts in banks give such a poor rate of return. You're lucky to get 3%, if that. 72 / 3 = your money doubling every 24 years. ouch! The bank uses your money to get a 12%+ rate of return. They like to call that profit. I call that a sham. I'm not trying to bash banks, but just show everyone there are ways to do better by investing directly into the global economy than relying on a bank as a middleman.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:26 pm
You'd also be surprised how many people save money in insurance policies. That's probably one of the WORST ways to save money, yet they are so heavily pushed that 80% of the population trust in those things. I'm not saying people shouldn't be protected, but there is a better way of doing that. When you try to combine protection and savings together, the cost to maintain that each month shoots skyhigh for such a poor rate of return. Just more FYI.

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:56 pm
Zeb interest you'd mention the insurance policies. I paid into a police since 1987, for a few years I paid with the "cash value" accumulation. Then I needed money, only had about 1000 bucks in the cash value. I notified the insurance co. and said, "look, I only want to pay the premium for if I die, don't want to accumulate". That was fine my premiums dropped from around $60/mth to $40/mth. So I pay for years rite up to this year. Now about a year ago to now, I get a letter from the company saying they are making many changes. One is their insurance agents will be let go. They will be hiring and training "Advisors". They said, they are making big restructuring changes and gonna offer us about 8 or nine different options and ways to "save" additional money. I phone and 800 number they had. Its unclear to me I want to find out who my local rep is and have a face to face discussion with them. I'm told for British Columbia there are still in the restructure process, but someone will call me within two months. (This was October last year when I called). Come, January, February 2000. NOT A WORD. Mean time btwn Jan and March I've recented get this 3 increases to my premium after 13 years of the same premium. I am mad as hell, call the Insurance Co. again, say, look, I called 4 mths ago, and no one has called me to set up an interview. Response, we're sorry, we should get to hiring advisers for BC soon. We will make a note and have someone call you.

I am not a happy camper. Months go by , in July I get this big thick fat package of choices of how to pay my premium. I open it look at it and file it into oblivion. By now I figure they want my $53/mth but don't call me. Whats wrong with this picture.

At the end of Augst, I get a call from some idiot, who claims to be an advisor in ONtario, with out notice, late at nite. He says, you wished to speak to someone?
(I'm thinkin no I wish to kill someone - LOL).
I told him, its been a year, What The Hell is going on. He rambles as though reading off a prepared speeech. I say, look I don't want to talk on the phone I want face to face with who ever my new "adivser" is. He says, well vyk, your closest adviser will be in Vancouver or Victoria (my insurance agent had been within a half hours drive before). I said, Oh and whats the plan, no one in my area? The "Adviser" responds, "Well, you know we find it just isn't worth our while to put an advisor in your area.
(and then he goes on to try push these savings options in my face over the phone).
I was so damn mad, I responded, "Well, Wayne, I have been reviewing my policy and I don't find it WORTH MY WHILE to continue my coverage with you people.
The guy starts backpeddaling, said, he will give me time to look at my policy (Well why the hell didn't he give me heads up to begin with)
I told him not to waste my time anyfurther, and cancelled my policy.

Sorry got a bit off track, but so agree about the B.S. "cash value" people don't even realize its not extra money they are earning, but their own the company is keeping, and playing virtually nothing for interest.

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:57 pm
Zeb I have to pop out for an hour or so, but will come back and re-read other parts of your last response and vent some more with you if thats okay bud.

(Ed: Ahhh! Vykin and Zeb are bonding)

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:19 pm Click here to edit this post
CHEATING PARTNER DISCUSSION

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:31 pm
Luke I know mine hasn't and wouldn't

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:35 pm
I've never cheated or been cheated on, but who would really know anyway...unless it was a repetitive occurrance?

As for how I would handle it, I don't speculate on things like that. If it was to happen, I know I wouldn't pull a gun out or start beating the girl. That's stupid. We would need to get together and communicate and find out what the honest problem is and go from there.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:36 pm
The question I want to know is:

What keeps two people together when one or the other continuously physically abuses them?


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The ClubHouse: The Game - Play Room: General Discussions: Just for fun---Trivia
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STARTED BY

Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:34 pm
What the heck, see if you can answer all ten of these.

In the book HANNIBLE, who was breeding wild pigs to eat Mr. Lector alive?

What kind of alien is Jar-Jar Binks?

Who was the first person legally hung in America?
(He was a passenger on the mayflower)

What makes a polar bear's fur unique?

What makes allegators mean, according to 'Mama' in the movie WATER BOY?

What artist helped Jodi Foster's character in the movie EVER AFTER?

What is Joe Montana's birthday?

Who invented the cotton gin? (easy one)

What importance did DesCartes phrase "cogito ergo sum" have in the MEDITATIONS?

Who sang these lyrics and what was the name of the song?
'Looks like it's over
you knew there'ld come a day
when we'ld have to say good-bye...

...try to remember the magic that we shared,
in time, your broken heart will mend.
I never used you, you knew I really cared.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:46 pm
Hmmm...

Haven't read it.
Gungan
John Holmes I
You can wear it after Labor Day
They can't brush their teeth
Never saw it
ouch...don't know
Eli Whitney

It sounded better than "Meccalecca Hi Mecca Hiney Ho"

Eddie McGee; lost final lyric from their BB theme song

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:32 pm Click here to edit this post
ARREAL AT THE INTERNET CAMERA

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:13 pm
Hello everyone!!! <waving>

I miss you all. (((Gail))) How is life on the other side? Is the editing okay? Will we be international Web Stars when we get out? Will the NY Times on-line want to interview us all? hehehe

Wow, nominations again. I got on my best orange, green and purple dress suit. I must say I be lookin dayum good. "Can't touch this" <rolling my own eyes at me>

I'm obviously still little frustrated at my puter situation. I wish I could participate more in discussions and hope that doesn't go against me come this nomination and banishment round.

What? FINE! I will just shuddup and quit bit*hin about it. THERE! Happy now?

<composure, get my composure>

I'm liking the challenge this time. I think it's great fun and allows us to show off a little bit of our creativity. Funny how that challenge caused little snippets of songs to go through my head. Now I want to play 'Name That Tune' in the discussion area.

Let's talk about sex baby. Let's talk about you and me.

You and me baby ain't nothin but mammels,so lets do it like they do on the discovery channel.

The Roof! The Roof! The roof is on fire. We don't need no water let the mother ____ burn. hehehe

Then I go into the mushy love songs and the oldies. Where does it end?

I'm having a great time in here over all. It's neat to see different aspects of each personality come out more and more. Do we each play a role in here to make this mini-society work? No chicken poop to clean up...so we don't have to fill that hole when one of us leaves.

I want to be silly. I want to play and have FUN in hear. I want to throw cherry pie filling at Zeb and hit him in the face. I wonder if he would retaliate or cuss or just roll his eyes and get back to serious discussions.

The world may never know.

(((Hugs))) for all my friends and the folks cheering me on.

Life is Good, so smile and be nice.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Gotta go to the store. Be back soon.

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:39 pm Click here to edit this post
JUST FOR FUN - TRIVIA DISCUSSION

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:25 pm
Hey Zeb

<picking up a spoon full of cherry pie filling...flick... giggle! Hits Zeb right in the face>

Gotcha!!!

3 out of 10 ain't bad.

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:58 pm
Moon...
You're right about Drew Barimore. Me so bad.
and please explain more about the polar bears fur and cogito ergo sum.

2 right
2 1/2 right
1 xtra credit for fixing my mistake.

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:25 pm
I didn't know we were being scored

I knew some of Zebs but didn't list them because he did... me bad, thought it was a group thing...

It was a guess about the polar bears

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:36 pm
cogito ergo sum ... I think there for I am ... existance

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:50 pm
I'm glad some people here are sane today. LOL

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:52 pm
Moon, ya got all that right, but now how was that important in Descartes' Meditations?

I know, I'm being persnickity here. lol

Ya'll is guessing at the easy ones...sheesh.

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:07 pm

uurrrggg
It was his connection to God
the existence of God and the reality of the physical world to make it as one...
The mind and the outside world to be connected only by God

This is point in which he choose to be elevated to in his meditations

Joe Montana ... June 11, 1956


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CHALLENGE REWARD DISCUSSION

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:16 pm
Roger, here's an idea but I'm not sure it's legal. If you have a printer, it's real easy to click on a thread, right click your mouse and "Select All" then right click again and click "Print". You can print entire threads and then go back and read them all and summarize for us. Just my (two cents)

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:47 pm Click here to edit this post
THE INTERNET CAMERA

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:20 pm
I can see where nominations sucked for the HGs on BB. When there really isn't any reason to nominate someone, you have to pull names out of your a$$. I came up with three and my reasons are pretty lame. I don't take the noms personally, I hope everyone feels the same way. Hope you are doing well. Here's a little suggestion since Roger gets to visit your world soon....why don't you create a thread for him and tell us everything you want us to know. Might make it a little easier for him! hehehe I guess I'll see you guys during the live show on Friday night! Take care....

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 11:49 am
Wow... posts are going slow this morning... I'd better get my comments up on the discussion boards...

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:23 pm
Hi, passing through as I go from one task to the next. More on your questions later--wait, I can take care of Moon's quickly.

Things are actually getting worse!! LOL (what else can I do but laugh)

I'm developing some very issue oriented, tough options to present when I explain that things are 1) still as bad as previous times, and 2)seem ot be getting worse in psecific areas. If I'm going to say things aren't good, I sould be able to provide vialble options to make them better. Tried once today, and got shot down (curses Red Baron!)

Luke--yours later!

May, how are nominations going??

Vyk, how you feeling?

Arreal, you seemto be having fun with th song! Love to see you smile. btw, Barely a Manalow still sucks!! LOL!!

Zeb, I still owe you a response on the money discussion--that was a good topic!!

Xenia--how are you doing today??? I still have that question for you last night, and wanted to ay great job interviewing Moon!!!

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:09 pm
Ugh....nominations are done! Sucks...I waited until the very last minute.

I just poured myself a nice bourbon and diet coke and I'm here for the night. I need to get busy on the challenge! See ya over there...

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:20 pm
May, I don't know how much you are willing to say about it....I was wondering fo you developed criteria for nominations? Or if you are into the experience with everyone so much you feel you can't judge based on something?? (something could be participatiosn, how much someone riles everyone up, meanness, sucking up, etc)

We seem to be like the BB HGs--some don't take it personal, and some feel it very much. Not a judgemet on either as being right or wrong--just noticing it's similar between us and BB people.

Again, only what you are comfortable saying please

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:24 pm
Roger, I just said the exact same thing to the internet camera! The past two days have really been quite nice in here. No one has given me any reason to nominate them and I really can't get a good sense of who is "competition" for me, so I have to leave it up to my instinct right now. I guess BigHost will post our decisions and reasons. You'll see what I mean when you read mine. I certainly don't take nominations personally. This is me...like me or leave me! And if I'm nominated again, I'll just deal with it! I don't hold grudges...

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Luke
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:58 pm
(i'm capital letter-challenged today)

may--last minute? i think my email may have been time stamped at 3:05 p.m. pdt!!

i didn't like nominations either. (my feeling side coming out...) i don't like the thought of being nominated, nor do i like the thought of nominating another person... much less any of you. even though it's a game, there is something personal about it--and i guess that's what makes it difficult, at least for me.

i'll be having a busy evening tonite with this vigil service that i'll be attending, but i have my trusty laptop with me... and even though i won't be spending the night at home, i'll log on from wherever i'm at and hopefully join in some lnc until my eyes give out on me.

kudos to everyone for the challenge song--i think that the gibb brothers may even be impressed, if i do say so myself i'll see everyone later this evening...

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:14 pm
Luke, LOL. And I thought I was last minute!!

So how and when will we know who is nominated? I guess BigHost will post it in the nominations folder.

Hey Roger, I posted an idea for you in the challenge reward thread. Just a suggestion!

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:27 pm
Hi May & Roger

Luke ... Luck & Love to you for tonight...

Roger... sounds like a stressful day... I am sorry. If you want to talk about it I am here now.

May...Nominations did suck so bad... I want everyone here to stay!

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NEW DISCUSSION TOPIC -- IF
STARTED BY

Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:07 pm
Last year, I purchased three small books titled "If", "If2" and "If3". They are written by Evelyn McFarlane and James Saywell and they are simply questions that begin with "If". These books are great to use in groups to get discussions going and they are perfect for deep one-on-one conversations. I highly recommend these three books and I thought I would jot down some of the questions so we can learn a few things about each other that are a bit bizarre. I realize it's hard to get to all the topics in here, so just answer these at your leisure.

1. If you were granted one wish, what would it be?

2. If you could, in retrospect, change one thing about your childhood, what would it be?

3. If you could have chosen your first name, other than your current one, what would it be?

4. If you were going to initiate a new charity, what would be its mission and who would it benefit?

5. If you could "unknow" one thing you know, what would it be?

6. If you could foresee a single day of your future in its entirety, what date would you select?

7. If you had to be someone's body part, what would you be, and on whose body?

8. If you had to name your single worst fear, what would it be?

9. If you had to eliminate one odor from the earth, which one would you get rid of?

10. If you could be on the cover of any magazine next month, which magazine would you want it to be, and what would the caption say?

11. If you had to recall the worst date you've ever been on, which one was it?

12. If you had to sacrifice your own life for one thing, what would it be?

13. If you were given a yacht today, what would you name it?

14. If you could eliminate one habit you have, what would you stop doing?

15. If you had to name the dumbest purchase you've ever made, which would it be?

16. If you were cremated, where would you want your ashes scattered?

Ok, I'll stop. Have fun!

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:50 pm Click here to edit this post
CHEATING PARTNER DISCUSSION

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:13 pm
Zeb, I have to hand it to you. Nice to know you've been spared the hurt and devastation. You're lucky!

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:28 pm
Zebulon weakness not wanting to admit failure. (They don't realize they aren't failures, but their minds don't think clearly) A false hope and dream that, "this will pass, things will change, things will get better"
False illusions

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:36 pm
Zeb, I can give you my point of view as a woman. From what I've seen in the last 15 years of my experience in healthcare...many women have a strong desire to PLEASE their man and they will do that at any expense. Women tend to blame themselves when things aren't going right in a relationship....somehow feeling as if it is their fault. So they think they deserve the abuse. They also believe that they can make it right and that the abuse will eventually stop. As Vyk said, false illusions!

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:39 pm
I mentioned in a different thread that my husband had cheated on me. I forgave him almost immediately. The trust took much longer to build. We communicated about it a great deal in those first few weeks after I found out. I think had the circumstances differred, and he had cheated on me with a woman, things would have been very different.

I haven't mentioned that I'm on my third marraige, but I am. My second marriage ended in an annulment, even after 5 years of marriage. Although it didn't end because of another woman, I still felt as though he was having an affair of the heart.

His affair did involve staying away from home, drinking and hanging out with his buddies from work. We quit talking and communicating. We existed like this for almost 2 years. It was one of the most painful times in my life.

I am willing to explain more if anyone wants, and thinks it fits with the topic.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:46 pm
I'm very sorry about your past, Arreal. What's important is to look to the future. The past is the past. All one can do is learn from it.

I'm sure we'd all love to hear more if you are willing to share more and feel good about doing so. I welcome any learning experiences.

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:50 pm
I have learned never to say never

Hard to say what I would do because I have never been in that situation, knowingly.
If I was & were to find out hopefully I would be able to forgive...It would take some soul searching and it depends on the circumstances but for my own sake I would hope that forgiveness would be a must ... carrying around that toxic energy hurts yourself more than the other person involved!

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:57 pm Click here to edit this post
THEME SONG DISCUSSION

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:14 pm
Cool challenge! Let me grab the lyrics and see how much I can mangle them. LOL! Be back later...

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:30 pm
GO Zeb! We were waiting for your 2 cents!

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:42 pm
Ok, submission #1. Yes / No? Too negative? I'll keep working.

Well now, we get low and we get high
We're all getting fat on humble pie.
Sitting here typing on our screen.
We're a freaked out bunch, drinking Valvoline.
You know it's all right, it's ok.
If we don't live to see another day.
Please don't try to understand.
We know our skills are in high demand!

Whether you're a writer or whether you're a fighter,
You're typin' the jive, typin' the jive.

Feel the keyboard shakin' and everything a breakin'
while we're typin' the jive, typin' the jive

Uh, huh, huh, huh...typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh huh huh...typin' the jive.

(I tweaked a line)

Well now, we get low and we get high
We're all getting fat on humble pie.
Sitting here typing on our screen.
We're a freaked out bunch, drinking Valvoline.
You know it's all right, it's ok.
We're having fun and get no pay.
Please don't try to understand.
We know our skills are in high demand!

Whether you're a writer or whether you're a fighter,
You're typin' the jive, typin' the jive.
Feel the keyboard shakin' and everything a breakin'
While we're typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh, huh, huh...typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh huh huh...typin' the jive.

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:13 pm
I LOVE IT!!!! Zeb.
typin the jive....hehehe
I say it's a keeper.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:21 pm
Now, you can tell by the way we use our head
We're sharp and crazy, but not brain dead.
Some are loud and some are warm,
In a discussion or challenge, we're like a swarm.
Is it all hype? Is it ok?
Some of you may think this gay.
We can try to understand
Just don't fill our underwear with sand!

Whether you're a writer or whether you're a fighter,
You're typin' the jive, typin' the jive.
Feel the keyboard shakin' and everything a breakin'
While we're typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh, huh, huh...typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh huh huh...typin' the jive.

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:23 pm
Looks like we got us a song ppls
Moon saw ur question will leave post in lr later

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Himay10ns
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:31 pm
Wow, Zeb, you've found your calling! I can't believe what a great job you've all done! I'd take a swing at a verse but I KNOW I can't do any better than what's been written so far. Hey Moon, why don't you type out the total song in the correct order and we can tweak some of the lyrics a bit. Otherwise, the content is great! Kudos....

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:32 pm
Final stanza:
You learn about us. We're your entertainment.
You got to love us. Yeah!

You learn about us. We're your entertainment, yeah!

Typin' the jive!

Thanks all! I just go with the flow.

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:34 pm
Zeb you are on a ROLL!
GO GO GO GO GO

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:55 pm Click here to edit this post
CHALLENGE REWARD DISCUSSION

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:50 pm
May, I have thought of printing things out! lol

While I would love it if that could be done, I just didn't want to do it if against Host's rule.

One excellent point about that is that IF printing is allowed, my printer (HP laser 6L) will heat up after about 15 pages and spit out black pieces of paper. If I print a page at a time it won't. So, we should find out from Host what her rule will be on that. Another person may well be a better choice based on printer capabilies!!!! LOL


ROGER goes to request area and asks host for permission to print for 10 minutes.

He also asks for a 'nice' banner for Moon as she hasn't had one yet.

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NEW DISCUSSION TOPIC -- Network Marketing: Good or Evil? Why?
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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:50 pm

Just pulled it out of thin air...

I've noticed a lot of big Fortune 500 companies are creating network marketing divisions like AT&T, CitiGroup, and so forth. Pretend that you found an awesome company to represent that is highly credible, but the Free Enterprise System is placed directly in your hands. Remember, you would truly have a chance of making more money than working an hourly or salary paid position. Let's also say you have an option of starting part time or full time. Let's even go one step further and say that you would be doing something totally different from what you are doing now. How would you react? What influences (past or present) would determine your reaction?

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LIVING ROOM

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:04 pm
Hi everyone--just back from a "fun" meeting in the...er.....supply room! yes, that's the ticket--in the supply room. Had to put away our groceries.

May, I saw your post about the threads--I responded, and would really appreciate it if other people wold take a look and comment. I want us to get as much information as we can--although information WE are interested in.

Luke, hope all goes well--take care please.

Moon, all the days of the past two weeks have been that way! lol

Part of what makes the job nice---challenges to over come. What sometimes changes is how I handle them!!

Hey, anyone else around??!!! Hot tub party?????

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:26 pm
Hey Roger ... you do a nice job of hiding your stress for us... I hope it gets easier...

I think I will be happy with any info on anything! Really, it doesn't matter it will just be fun hearing it!

LUKE! You got a banner! Congrats! I hope you see it soon...

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:37 pm
I hope I didn't hide it!!! My approach to that issue-----when I walk away from work, I walk away from whatever the issues are as well. So when I go home, I put my concerns and whatever else it feels like, on my desk and pick it up the next day.

As this house is equal to me going home from work, then I shold do the same!!!! This house for me helps with that--just as my place would. I can leave it behind, and not let it affect me.

For me, a tool I use to keep the various aspects of life in perspective!!! LOL

Does that make sense????

I indicated how things were because someone asked---I wouldn't dump on anyone, except under VERY extreme situations--they aren't even close yet!! (since it was asked, and I didn't consider it all that personal, so I was/am more than willing to share)

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CURT & BRIT LEARNED ABOUT GAME ON RADIO SHOW!!

HANG IN THERE LUKE - WE (love) YOU!

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TRIVIA DISCUSSION

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Arreal
Moon, lol

Okay, I give up...you get credit for it.
I was thinking along the lines that he was doubting everything possible...radical doubt. Cogito ergo sum was the first thing he could not doubt and from that premise he built his theory that God exists. From there he built that we could trust our senses and our reality was real.

I was looking for an essay answer...lol hehehe
Good one on the Joe too.

Zeb--who is John Holmes? and wipe the cherry stuff off your face. You look rediculous.

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IF DISCUSSION TOPIC

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:18 pm
May ... always a subject to make ya think

"If 'ifs' were dollars we would all be rich"

Here is part of my list... I 'll do it in parts

4. If you were going to initiate a new charity, what would be its mission and who would it benefit?
I want to start a Rescue Ranch ... It would be a sanctuary for abandoned and abused animals ... it would also be a camp throughout the year for inner city/under-previledged children. They come to the Ranch for 2 weeks through out the year ... they would learn to care for animals and just have fun! My Mom (a special Ed/2nd grade teacher) and I have made the plans - even named the buildings ... we don't have the funds or location yet but we wanted to but it into motion ... you never know!

5. If you could "unknow" one thing you know, what would it be? Judgments

9. If you had to eliminate one odor from the earth, which one would you get rid of? The perfume Poison ... can't explain it but I really don't like it!

11. If you had to recall the worst date you've ever been on, which one was it?
I don't know ... he never showed up!

14. If you could eliminate one habit you have, what would you stop doing?
Computer discussion boards j/k... I don't drink enough water.

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:45 pm
#2 I would have liked to have been a healthy child. One without severe asthma.

#3 My name would be Kearie

#4 I would be Moon's partner.

#6 I would want to see my daughter's wedding.

#9 dog farts

#14 smoking

#15 buying a boyfriend a car on my credit card.
(really dumb.)

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:19 pm Click here to edit this post
BANKRUPTSY ZEBSCUSSION

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 01:57 pm
Zeb I have to pop out for an hour or so, but will come back and re-read other parts of your last response and vent some more with you if thats okay bud.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 02:06 pm
No wonder everyone is negative when it comes to dealing with insurance. It's those situations that sours people.

Good for you! They were giving you a major runaround...it's what they're best at. Look into a solid term life policy (no savings plan) that has a guaranteed premium for 20 years. They are out there. A good rule of thumb is 7-10 times your annual income. No more (unless you can afford it and that's what you want), no less, no built in savings.

Income protection is the solid foundation for an overall financial plan, especially if you are married and/or have kids.

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:54 pm
Zeb after I canceled my insurance policy, been two months now, I have $103 dollars in my savings account.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:04 pm
Ouch! Do you mean in your actual savings account or the savings portion you got back when you cancelled your policy? I'm not an insurance person, but those cash value agents love to do a number on people. It's big commission for them.

I'm sorry you were subjected to it. There ARE respectable companies out there. My mentor and friend used to deal a lot with a company called Primerica and another one called Kemper, I believe. You might check their websites.

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:51 pm

Gee Arreal, its weird that your computer at 14,400K is so sporadic since it seems you can post sometimes and yet not other times. I myself have a laptop at 14,400K on standby in case my main puter crashes and had my son check how it works on the site and he had absolutely no problem getting to the tvclubhouse chatroom. He couldn't post anything because its on the same ISP for my puter. So I thought I'd let you know. I'm glad to see you were able to get in and do your nominations at least

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:25 pm Click here to edit this post
THE LIVING ROOM

Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:49 pm

I hope you realized I was giving you a compliment when I said you hide your stress well... you are always present with us and willing to jump into everything no matter what you had going on that day!

BTW I was the one who ask because I really cared

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:53 pm
I know what you meant---I just wanted to clear that up so others wouldn't think I was hiding the real me

Yep, both you and Luke asked specific questions about the work situations, and I know it was out of caring. That is most appreciated...the caring I mean. Asking or not asking is ok either way! lol

Hey Moon, of all the times you have performed on a stage, has there ever been a time you didn't get butterflies???

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 05:59 pm
NEVER... but you know right when I start the performance they go away!

Do you get butterflies about meetings or presentations?... did you see Luke's banner?

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:12 pm
First, Luke's banner--yes!! Isn't that great!! I hope it gives him a lift! That was very nice of folks on the outside! COOL

I don't get butterflies for meetings or presentations. I did when I played competitive sports---especially football. That first collision and they were gone!

I've never gotten them when starting out working with explosives, ractives, or chemicals that have been comtaminated so that they have an additional hazard. I develop a very unique mental approach in those cases. My world is usually about a 3 foot circle, and nothing exists ouside of it..nothing and no one! And everything that is inside is known to me 100%.

There was one time I got butterflies in the middle if treating a chemical. I opened it up, and found huge crystals growing all over it it. Not suipposed to be that way, and not a good sign. The butterflies went away after my next operation, because if I was going to gtet blown to pieces, it would have been then. Just took me by surpise is all.

If you could work with any actor or performer for 1 week, who would you pick??

Hey, I saw nominations---way to go!!!! You are in for at least one more week!! Congratulations!!!!! You should be

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:26 pm
Football I love football! ... What position did you play?

Funny but the way you described you chemical 3 foot circle... I do that to a certain extent in acting ... nothing but the connection I am having with the other actor/actors ... it's our own little world!

I cannot imagine how scary that is! Opening a container to the unknown! Wow, the mindset you must have to go into those type of situations!

I would want Lucille Ball! But of course I can't pick her but she is with me in spirit ... the other would be Carrol Burnett. Drama is amazing but to have comical timing is a gift! I am in awe when I watch these two ladies at work!

Woohoo we nominated each other
I don't think you have anything to worry about! When I was trying to pick noms it was sooo hard... I didn't want to pick Xenia because we are starting to have fun but I truly see her coasting through this time and Zeb... you gotta love his talent for writing. I love his opinions and posts ... he also had a low percentage of votes last time... I thought I was nominating safe ones... I don't know ... wish I didn't have too!

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:42 pm
Is anyone still here? I was reading through some of the previous posts and noticed a really good discussion about being lonely or alone. I don't think I've shared much in a while so I'll put a part of myself in print.

While I currently have a lot of good things going on in my life, like my business, my home, my friends and such...I've recently began to feel that "ache" that Roger and Moon were discussing. It's very important to me to find not only a friend, but a "soulmate". I guess I've been lucky in the sense that all of my previous relationships were long term, but my last relationship really blindsided me. I guess because I felt everything was coming together.

Suzanne was 29 and a student at TCU majoring in accounting. We were seeing each other for a little over a year. Everything seemed perfect. In fact we started some of the idle talk about marriage and such. One day towards the end of her last semester, while we were spending some nice quiet time alone, she told me how she wasn't sure if she really wants to have children. We discussed her sudden feelings and it seemed as the days went by, the more certain she sounded. It was a shock, because she always seemed great around kids. Of course, I love kids and want to have children but I kept the disappointment inside. She knew that too. I could eventually tell. I just decided that things were going so great that I wasn't going to let that one issue get to me. I felt we had a really strong relationship with each other.

When she graduated, I knew her next step would be to enroll in a CPA school. In another discussion, she asked me if I would consider moving with her to Illinois so she could go to school there and be close to her family and friends. Of course, I had my business and my clients down here in Texas. To make a long story short, our relationship turned into a long distance relationship...my first ever. We both made numerous trips back and forth and, again, I felt our relationship was strong enough to handle this. The more time we spent apart from each other, even though we talked on the phone, emailed, and flew to see each other...the more we seemed to spread apart. Eventually, we started rationalizing. She knew I was upset about her not wanting kids. I knew she was upset about us being spread apart 1000 miles. We eventually decided mutually that it wasn't going to work out. This all happened this past April.

I started working more to keep myself busy and was skeptical about going out...unless it was with friends. I bought my new townhouse which was a high point in my life. But like I said earlier, that "ache" to find that special someone has creeped up on me again. It's almost uncomfortable for me to admit. Some people find the person they belong with very soon in life. For others, it seems like they have to go through a lot. I always try my best to look towards the future...but it still doesn't mask the "ache".

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:45 pm
I was an offensive guard and on all special teams. In high school I was 5' 10" (went to 5" 11" at the age of 21) annd weighed 155. I usuall went against people who weighed quite a bit more than me. I was very fast for a lineman so the battles were always good!! I had good technique, so I hit hard for my size. Of course I got beat up pretty good by all the bugger folks, although I loved it!! By the time the game was over, I usully one most of the blocking battles. My intensity drove me to do much more thanmost expected. My absolute love of the game didn't hurt either!

That is great that you go into another world...after you saying it, that makes perfect sense!!

Di you ever meet Ms. Ball??? I understand from many that she was an amazing person. Oh, and I agree that comic timing must be a gift---seen so many funny people who didn't have it. I have to wonder if it's as important as the materail itself??

I don't take it as bad at all that I had votes. just part of the game. I'm not worried about banishment---and not because I think I'm safe! Banishment is all part of it too!! I went into it to try and win...the risk of leaving is part of the package. I completely accept it. Of course I want to stay--want the win, and love playing the game/being in here with everyone!!!! It's just so cool getting to be a part of it....no matter how many they run, we get to say we were the first,and set the stage for all others. Not a bad thing to have gotten to experience!

I remember you posting something about liking the challenge of the challenges...you seem fairly competitive?? I respect that in a person. The desire to want to be the best--to be a winner, to be successful. That is one of those traits of a woman I would look for that you asked about yesterday. I find it a turn on--the strength, the swagger, the confidence. Someone who will beat me up if I do it wrong....no wait, that's something different---never mind!! haha

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:49 pm
Hi Roger. Hi Moon.

I think you all probably popped in while I was typing my emotional novel. LOL!

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:51 pm
Zeb--that is very unfortunate that the matc didn't work out for you--sorry to hear that news.

On the flip side, I think you did great (along with her) to discuss things, to see what would happen with time..yet to not force things. I applaud you for that (and her too). Much less pain than the option of what could happen way down the road if you had tried a force-fit. I admire your strength and your approach to issues. I like your competitive nature as well...nothing like a worthy oppenent---in life they usually make the best friends as well. (IMHO)

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:57 pm
Thanks, Roger. I appreciate that.

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 06:58 pm
I love to hear about football... I have always loved it! They didn't let me play in school so I settled for cheerleading! I did play boys baseball when I was 11...lol

I never was blessed to meet Ms Ball but I feel like I know her ... she helped me get through some of the toughest times of my life! I would plop right down on my yellow bean bag chair and get lost in her show ... to this day... I can hear her say a line and I can tell you which episode! Ohhh I am going to start an idiot savant thread!

Comic timing can make or break a scene ... you can learn it but it is not the same! Comedy is so much harder than drama...

LOL about the competition ... no we would beat her up if she beat you up... uumm a different Oprah! I do love a good game! I think I am competitive growing up with two brothers! Never can rest!

Zeb… I want to respond to your post hold on

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:09 pm
Wow … thanks for sharing... Can I just say that I never had a run in with the Tukuul but I respect and like so much the Zebmister! Stopping short of hitting on you I find you smart, funny and I am sorry you don't live closer!

Okay that said... It stinks when you have invested your heart and soul only to find out that there are a couple of main factors that aren't right. I am sorry you were hurt...
But you have so much going for you... I am sure it will not be long until you are scooped up.... This amazes me... Roger & you are sensitive, caring ... funny and intelligent and it blows my mind that you are both available...Blows my mind that I nominated you both ... but see my brothers would be proud... you are my biggest competition!

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:15 pm
Zeb...It does sound like to me though you have enough of integrity to be alone by choice and not lonely ... there is such a big difference ... as per Roger & my convo yesterday!

Sandyc

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Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:23 pm

Roger, as promised, below is a BB site that includes a site map for The Game to assist you in your 10 minute venture on Thursday evening. The link is at the bottom of the page.

http://www.geocities.com/kristiii33

In response to your request regarding printing information, this will not be allowed. You have been provided the site map for assistance, and can only read what you see in the Game - Discussion area.

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NEW DISCUSSION TOPIC -- IDIOT SAVANT
STARTED BY

Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:35 pm
Weird talents ... what is yours?

Me?...I Love Lucy ... This is my favorite television show/reruns. If I hear her say a line... I can tell you the episode. It's weird!...

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ZEBSCUSSION -- NETWORK MARKETING

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Vykin
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:00 pm
Zeb, Network Marketing - A "Weasel Word" for Pyramid Schemes. I'm gonna think some on this and respond hopefully in a bit. I like your idea.

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:15 pm

Well, I admit that I felt the same way you do because people I know always told me what a failure they are and what a rip-off they were. Yet, the reason I guess I posed the question is that a lot of people who live in the area I live in are doing very well in network marketing. I just bought a new townhouse on the lake (got a miracle deal) and my next door neighbor is 25 years old and makes $120,000 a year. He showed me his income tax statement. I almost sh1t. He's a great guy too. Another guy I met while fishing with friends lives across the lake and he's in network marketing and lives in a $300,000 home. I look at them and wonder if all those people who told me what they told me were telling the truth or full of it? They told me what they do and no pressure whatsoever.

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THE LIVING ROOM

Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:34 pm
Oh, being nominated doesn't bother me.

It IS easier to express myself in person than through typing, but it truly is almost a comical twist of fate that I'm still single...and I don't mean that in an egotistical way. Sometimes, I stop and wonder what is going on?

I appreciate your words, Moon and I'm glad you and Roger had that conversation yesterday.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:54 pm
Moon/Zeb, still there??? I had a call from my boss---sorry. I'm back now. What did I miss?

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Arreal
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:55 pm
Zeb-

When the right person comes along it will be worth the wait. And like Robert said, it is a whole lot easier to find out things just weren't meant to be before marraige. You made some tough decisions with that relationship, but I trust someone will fill the ache before you know it. I do wish you the best.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 07:57 pm

Hi Arreal!!!

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:02 pm
Hey Arreal & Roger!
My cats are staying on the other side of the room!... so I think I have to take a shower! Hope you guys will be here when I get back!

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:05 pm
I'm here for the long haul--anyone else around right now??

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:13 pm
Thanks Arreal, I appreciate that.

Hey everyone, I'm still around. I just popped over to post a full version of the song I came up with. Let me know what you think. We can always alter it.

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:25 pm
Zeb!!!!!! I just posted over at the challenge thread!! What can I say??!! Got to get that in small print on second generation T-shirts

Hey, btw, that was nice of you to share that situations with your ex GF.

So, do you think the game is getting better??

And who is Robert????? (Arreal's post)

Hey Moon, why does it blow your mind that you nominated me and Zeb??? You are plyaing to win, and if you think we are competition, isn't it foolish not to vote for us?? I can respect that!

Zeb--"competition" (in your nomination) that was good! I'll take it as a compliment! LOL

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THEME SONG CHALLENGE

Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 04:58 pm
I like all the suggestions!! My thoughts are subjective though, as I tend to enjoy a bit of an "attitude" in such things. Zeb has always done well in his approah to things--always with a bit of a bite--an attitude. So I find his work nice. Although the others impart a very clear message that works too.

A conflict for me, since they all are worthwhile to chose from!! Lizza is on me, since I'm about as creative as a rock. I can remember old songs though! It's almost Halloween, and an old song to go with that woudl be "Monster Mash"!!

Now we could have had some fun with that!! Well, you could have--I suck at this!

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Zebulon
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:10 pm
Ok, everyone. I pieced together a few previous ideas into this full song. What does everyone think about it?

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Well, you can tell by the way we write our posts,
That we're special guests, not tryin' to boast.
Topics sad and topics glad, we've been posting so much
Since we're the fad.
Now it's alright. It's otay.
Some of us may tend to stray.
We hope you try to understand
When some of us can't be on hand.

Whether we're a writer or whether we're a fighter,
We're typin' the jive, typin' the jive.
Feel the keyboard shakin' and everybody quakin'
While we're typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh, huh, huh...typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh huh huh...typin' the jive.

Well now, we get low and we get high
We're all getting fat on humble pie.
Sitting here typing on our screen.
We're a freaked out bunch, drinking Valvoline.
You know it's all right, it's otay.
We're having fun and get no pay.
Please don't try to understand.
We know our skills are in high demand!

Whether we're a writer or whether we're a fighter,
We're typin' the jive, typin' the jive.
Feel the keyboard shakin' and everybody quakin'
While we're typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh, huh, huh...typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh huh huh...typin' the jive.

You learn about us. We're your entertainment.
You got to love us. Yeah!
You learn about us. We're your entertainment, yeah!
Typin' the jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

Now, you can tell by the way we use our head
We're sharp and crazy, but not brain dead.
Some are loud and some are warm,
In a discussion or challenge, we're like a swarm.
Is it all hype? Is it ok?
Some of you may think it's gay.
We can try to understand
Just don't fill our underwear with sand!

Whether we're a writer or whether we're a fighter,
We're typin' the jive, typin' the jive.
Feel the keyboard shakin' and everybody quakin'
While we're typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh, huh, huh...typin' the jive, typin' the jive
Uh, huh huh huh...typin' the jive.

You learn about us. We're your entertainment.
You got to love us. Yeah!
You learn about us. We're your entertainment, yeah!
Typin' the jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

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Roger_Ramjet
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:17 pm
clap, clap, clap, clap!!!! You guys are so freakin funny!!! I think you guys kicked BB version into next week.

Ok, have to find a way to get this printed on the back of BBFC or TVClubHouse T-shirts!!

I'd buy a bunch!!

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Moondance
Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 08:23 pm
That is GREAT Zeb... thanks so much for your work and then organizing it all... I vote for it... might even buy it too