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Host

Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 09:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Arreal has decided to leave the game. Her regular user account has been re-instated and her ability to post in the Game Play Area has been removed.

We have decided not to replace her (or anyone else for that matter) with a new player. Basically, last person standing gets the prize!

We will vote for 2 people on Friday instead of 3 as orginally planned.

Digilady

Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 11:08 pm Click here to edit this post
(Kearie is having computer/mouse issues. She has asked me to post this for her, here. Post follows)
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People on the inside, HG's believe I am cheating, Vykin especially. They are questioning me at every turn. He's questiPeople on the inside have insinuated in numerous oned my honesty when suggesting Jana be the one to
come in, he is questioning my computer problems.

I still am not in contact with anyone on the outside.

As for sleeping on it. I don't need to nor do I want to. I have not been to the boards since I wrote you my leter expressing my desire to quit.

I was recieving information from the outside. When I was talking to Vykin by instant messages the first week of the game, he told me about the New York Times article mentioned as our reward. This was the first week of the game.

The following day, he told me that the whole thing was a hoax written by Ocean Islands. I did get outside information like that.

I do not deserve to win. I do not want to win. I want to walk out of the game. Please respect this.

Kearie
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Kearie

Saturday, October 21, 2000 - 11:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Digi for posting that for me. I appreciate it.

I didn't like the speculation that I was lying about my computer as Vykin so often mentioned. I didn't like all the speculation about me. I got tired of defending myself and my honesty.

I have admitted to recieving information and IM's with Vyk and Tali. I also mentioned the chat that the three of us held. I was wrong in there. I failed to follow the rules of the game in that situation.

I knew about Ocean Islands artical, Vyk told me.
I got outside information that way. During our alliance he spoke to his "doctors" or "therapists" as he coded them and told me about the artical and later about Ocean writing it.

The day that I brought up Tali and her 'secret' Vyk told me in IM that he would back me up saying he also knew her secret. He didn't.

I am quitting because winning is not that important to me. Cheating doesn't make winners.
The rules of the game were broken by me and I don't deserve to win. I don't want to.

I am going to buy one of those t-shirts, and if the song is on it, heck I will buy more.

I have no clue what I would do with a CD Burner. That certainly made no difference to me, nor did it sweeten the pot.

Just so you understand, I had my reasons for wanting out. I am very happy to be out.

Sorry if I let anyone who was supporting me down,
but I am happy now. :)

Tukuul

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 01:55 am Click here to edit this post
CD Burner? You mean I could have won a CD Burner?

That's actually a costly prize...and a nice one.

Welcome back Kearie. I've been gone most of the day so I need to catch up on everything today, especially everything that led you to be out here.

Kearie

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 02:07 am Click here to edit this post
(((TUK)))

I didn't say a word about anything in there. No one knew I was quitting. I was tired of being accused of cheating. If it wasn't about my computer it was speculations about me suggesting Jana to come in. All nutso.

I missed you in there. You made it fun.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 06:04 am Click here to edit this post
Having read Arreal's letter she appears to blame Vykin for all her troubles. She should read the Red Room post by Himay who also said she didn't know whether she believed the computer problems. Arreal seemed to be able to post sporadically and towards the end was hardly on the boards.

I can understand how she would feel upset that people questioned her honesty but I can't say I blame Vykin for her hostility towards Arreal. It was Arreal who started the whole mess where everyone was questioning Vykin's integrity and honesty. There were posts inside and outside the boards for days about Vykin.

This is all a game and I think arreal did the right thing because it comes down to one thing
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Spamgirl

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 06:30 am Click here to edit this post
ArReal - if only for the computer problems, I understand you leaving. I just want to say I support you - a mistake is forgiven if you fix it... and you've fixed it, and done the most honourable thing you could. Good for you!


But what about Vykin? Now that we have someone "testifying" against him, what kind of punishment will he get?

Ocean_Islands

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 06:33 am Click here to edit this post
Vykin, ArReal and Talisker all should have been ejected from the game when the cheating was discovered during the first week.

ArReal I'm glad you left the game if you felt you couldn't continue. Let's hope that if there is any cheating by anyone, it has stopped now.

Spamgirl

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 06:43 am Click here to edit this post
OI - I agree... and they should have been replaced.. it was early enough in the game it wouldn't have made that much difference...

It's a shame that it had to come down to one person being voted out, one having to quit (who wanted to quit at the time, but was discouraged - don't forget that) and one still getting to play... but I think Vyk has it coming to him...

Cheating is one thing, but being so OBVIOUS about it is pure stupidity...

(And I doubt the cheating has stopped... i'm sure it's almost addictive - being able to go out and see what people are writing about you... you can't just stop yourself, once it's done it's done... he's "broken the seal" :) )

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 07:07 am Click here to edit this post
Arreal doesnt explain why she Im'ed Vykin in her above post. As for her not being in contact with anyone in the outside, well its her word against whose??? Katie by her own admission said she had Im'ed Arreal in an earlier post.

As far as I can tell once again its Arreal playing the victim. I agree that Vykin will not win this but ArReal could take a page out of Zeb's and Talis book by putting the game behind her and not using this forum for carrying her fight on outside on the boards. She also has to be ready to be able to withstand disagreements on the outside boards when she takes a position that others may disagree with.


As far as Vykin having it coming to him why??? ArReal started this whole thing and it blew up in her face. That is what happened. I still think it was much ado about nothing and Talis never should have been booted.

Jana

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 07:31 am Click here to edit this post
Wow, I am sorry to hear you left Arreal...I was just starting to like you (kinda) :) and how the hell did i get dragged into this mess?

Spamgirl

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 07:41 am Click here to edit this post
She said why she IMed Vyk the last time, anyways - becuase he was whining about being nominted and he wouldn't talk to her on the boards...

And SURE, katie IMed her... they're not required to cut off all human contact, this isn't the REAL big brother :) but it's up to them - their morals and beliefs - to not listen to anything people tell them about this board; to not come onto this board with a different name; and to not contact other BG's outside of the game.

How did ArReal start this? Wasn't it TALI who instigated the IMing?? It was wrong for ArReal to accept, but it was awfully shady dealing on Gail's part...

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 08:11 am Click here to edit this post
I agree they are not required to have no human contact but she said in her letter that "I am not in contact with anyone on the outside". All I am saying is that she is giving us information that she wants us to have.

Which player came onto this board with a different name. That is a new accusation I haven't heard before. I have heard nothing about players going and reading outside boards. That is a new one. I could be wrong and I missed it. If you let me know the thread I will look it up.

Whit4you

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 08:23 am Click here to edit this post
Nor, I find it funny that you suggest ArReal not use this "forum" for carring on her fight, yet your using HER thread in this forum to slam her. LOL talk about being a hypocrit. She will find out soon enough I am sure my take on their cheating in there, I have nothing to hide, so don't bother bringing that up in defense of yourself. You think Gail hasn't defended herself out here because she's being nobel?? LOL. She hasn't defended herself out here because if you read her last RR report she doesn't think she did anything wrong - that's her story and she's sticking too it, she would much rather leave things with ArReal taking all the blame. I for one am happy to see that she is no longer taking all the blame for the three of them.

ArReal can you please clear up for us what everyone here wants to know? How did Vyking get your AOL name to be IMing you in the first place? How did Gail get his and so on???

Also Gail had already been told by Roger that going private to chat was against the rules, did she point this out to you or Vyking? Did you and Vyking discuss prior to the 13th that private IMs might be concidered cheating? If not - then how come there was no mention at all of IMs being done until all this "came out"

Ok one final question - you said Vyking was sharing with you "outside" info - re the ny times article etc, did you ask him to stop sharing that info or did you encourage him to get more outside info or??

Whit

Spamgirl

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 08:35 am Click here to edit this post
It's not an accusation! I just was saying things they shouldn't do :) (Although I have my suspicions :)

Any of them could do it, though - I signed up for 2 because my email was down for a few days, and I didn't think the mail would go through when it was down... i can't remember the user name, though... which sucks :) ohwell...

Instead of recieving info from a friend, it would be smarter to just get another user name - then you'd have "no witnesses" to fess up... and you could read what and when you want... but I think that's total BS and if you want to be in the game, you should be true to the experience...

Soeur

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 08:39 am Click here to edit this post
Whatever has happened regarding Arreal's participation in the game is in the past tense. Being a new observer I can't comment in depth about a situation that a number of people have strong opinions about. It certainly sounds like some lively exchanges have resulted from this soup. The concerns seem to be basically about honesty and fair play and her admission of crossing some boundaries to the wrong side. Her determination to accept the consequences speak well for her integrity. Being sneaky and cheatin' spoil things for those who are determined to get by on merit (let's hope that the cream rises to the top). Hey you guys...tell me who to vote for next Friday (being a newbie I need all the advice I can get)...only kidding, I'll read and make up my own mind (more fun that way). Good luck Kearie.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:24 am Click here to edit this post
Maybe it seems like I am using this thread to slam Arreal. My only comment is I am using this thread just as she used it to post her resignation letter and follow up. So who is using who.

I happen to like Vykin, no question about it. And I do feel compelled to make a comment about all this since Arreal is doing what she can to pollute things from the outside.

I will continue to argue the case just as she has. Am I slamming her? Is she slamming Vykin? What was all that about publishing her resignation letter.

She gets no sympathy from me. She engaged in dialogue in IM. She also continued to IM Vykin after the whole mess. Suddenly she has found the right path??? Why? As I said, if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Sandyc

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:25 am Click here to edit this post
Right on Soeur!

Wcv63

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:40 am Click here to edit this post
Well, IMO, it seems as if Arreal is the ONLY one to have (1) admitted that IM's and chats were taking place (2) admitted and owned up to her part in the whole scenario (3) expressed regret and apologized for her participation in IM's, chats and other acts of ethically questionable behavior.

Tali has never apologized and/or owned up to her ethically questionable behavior. Vykin seems to be getting a steady influx of outside information and only expresses outrage that Arreal IMs him. I guess it's okay for anyone but Arreal to IM or discuss outside information with Vykin as Arreal has proven that she can't keep quiet.

Although I was losing patience with ARreal, she is the one that I believe has handled this thing with the most integrity.

Okay, I'm ready to be slammed.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:50 am Click here to edit this post
No no slamming Wc. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I was just expressing mine. I have also posted about other players, too nice Roger and dont think I was accused of slamming someone. It seems to me that everyone goes out of their way to defend Arreal more than any other player. Nobody seems to take too much offense when criticisms are made of other players. I certainly dont consider your comments about Vykin slamming him. I understand where many of you are coming from with your views.

Sara

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:53 am Click here to edit this post
Norequerdo - this was Arreal's/Kearie's opportunity to make the amends and explanations she felt it was necessary to make, upon leaving the game.

While I do not agree with the actions Kearie took during the game, Kearie has now taken responsibility for everything she did during the game, and behaved responsibly by leaving the game.

So, um, like, please stop sticking your nose into things that don't concern you and lambasting everyone with your negativity.

You, alone, bring down the beneficial spiritual essence of the board.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 09:57 am Click here to edit this post
exactly my point, I dare to say anythng against Arreal and you tell me not to stick my nose into it. Give me a breat this is a game. I am not lambasting anyone. Who did I lambast and say that they brought down the beneficial spiritual essence of the board. Scroll back!!!!!. All I did was question one of the players motives. But what is the story here, nobody is allowed to question Arreal's motives. Why dont you just follow the guidelines of who to ignore and ignore my posts. I would also suggest that you show a little maturity.

Wcv63

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:03 am Click here to edit this post
I am the type of person who always tries to extend people the benefit of the doubt. I don't know why, this philosphy has not been an overwhelming success in my life but it is part of who I am.

Therefore, although I may question motives and actions, and even give my opinion regarding those motives and actions, I always with-hold my final judgement until all have spoken.

Norequerdo

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:07 am Click here to edit this post
or Wc until all have voted. The hosts should have one final chat after its all over and put everyone in chat room and outsiders can observe. I would like to see them all back together after they have read all information inside and outside.

Sara

Sunday, October 22, 2000 - 10:11 am Click here to edit this post
Norequerdo - Why do you think that everything on this board has to revolve around you?

My point was that this thread was, for this one moment in time, Kearie's place to say what she wanted to say.

Instead of letting this moment go, and letting Kearie have her say, you had to go and ick up the thread.

This doesn't have to do with maturity. It has to do with common sense, tolerance and compassion.

Please leave this issue be, until there is a more opportune time time to discuss it. Sheesh!