Archive through November 01, 2000

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Kearie

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:22 pm Click here to edit this post
SNORE-Q Once again you are jumping into the middle of something making assumptions and you look like an a$$ doing so. I spoke about QUITTING and CHEATING only because of the post by GURU, right above mine. I think you ought to just shut the he11 up and give your bashing a rest. Thanks.

Norequerdo

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:27 pm Click here to edit this post
I will quit my bashing if you will

Shelia

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:27 pm Click here to edit this post
Affinity I agree with you...cheaters don't win and winners don't cheat.
Nor I agree with you...Katie/Kearie you can't concede defeat graciously and I also think you are pathetic. (You should have stayed in the game instead of crying out here on the boards.)
Guruchaz I agree with you...People who quit especially something not life threatening should really take a look at themselves and get straightened out.
Winners have the heart to endure to the end.

Kearie

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:29 pm Click here to edit this post
ROFLMAO@ you both.

Dillusions

Zelda

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:48 pm Click here to edit this post
I think it takes couarage to quit and courage not to; depending on the situation.... Enough already ... it has different meanings for different people. It's all in perception and works for you.

Vasix

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:51 pm Click here to edit this post
Dillusions? I don't think its delusional to say what you think. Kearie, you said your peace. You left the game because you didn't want to be in it anymore. You think Vykin is a cheater. You think Vykin shouldn't have won. Well that's what you think and its not delusional. Its your reality.

The Host, whom you adore did NOT think that. The registered, legal voters who voted did not think that. Vykin does not think that. Most the players who played the game do not think that.

Now you decide Kearie: Are all those people who are "delusional" doing it to as some sort of mass hysteria or is it JUST QUITE POSSIBLE, they have a viewpoint quite different than yours, that is not delusional. And mind you I'm not saying, because you have a different viewpoint you are delusional. I'm saying its delusional to think everyone who disagrees with you is de facto delusional. Votes came in. The majority thought Vyk should win. Accept it, hate it, ignore it, whatever. But give peace a chance. If they bug you, ignore them. That's the advice you keep trying to give Vykin. Its good advice.

Tukuul

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:52 pm Click here to edit this post
Wow! What exploded in here?

I'm not directing this at any one person but I absolutely agree with the fact that people set themselves up for failure by repetitive quitting...and I'm not talking about smoking, picking your nose, or whatever else would enhance your health or your popularity with others.

There is a fine line between using some personal responsibility and just quitting because you don't like something while leaving others hanging. In reference to The Game, 3 people quit and 1 wanted to quit and a few others probably thought about quitting something that is nowhere near as stressful as real life...a message board. That's almost a 40% quit rate. Exactly what good does that do aside from making the person who quit feel better (questionable) and others feel slighted?

Again, it's not directed at any one person but recent events serve as a prime example.

Vasix

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 05:54 pm Click here to edit this post
Zelda: right on sweet Moon. Its all in perception and what works for you. As Vykin says, "its all optics".

Karuuna

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:03 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't think anyone can say for another person whether quitting was the right or wrong thing to do. Especially for someone whom you know only very one dimensionally thru message boards. I've had times in my life when I quit when I shouldn't have, and other times when I've hung in a lot longer than was prudent.

This was after all, *just* a game, a game set up for recreational reasons. It's not the same as making a decision to quit around more important life issues.

At the end of the day, the question is, can u live with what you did, and what did you learn from it. At the end of my day today, I refuse to answer!

Vasix

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:23 pm Click here to edit this post
Tukuul once again, you provoke thought. Good post. Just for argument lets drop the Q-word and replace it with "Choice". Mantastic chose to do something else with his time. Arreal chose to do something else with their time. And as you point out, some if not all gave SERIOUS consideration to doing something else with their time while in the game. That in itself is very interesting. The game, with all its artifices and constraints, forced players and posters to look at themselves and others and make choices. Maybe this isn't a game of quitting or winning or cheating or honor. Maybe it was an excercise in showing us the power of choice. The sense of control we have on our lives, our time, our feelings and our outcomes.

Zelda

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:27 pm Click here to edit this post
Vasix... did I read somewhere on the board that you were our First Nations people ... either way, here is a big Native American Hug to you!

Gail

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Hey Tukuul! :) Hi!

Whoa! Did I miss something? Only two people quit, not three! I went out kicking and fighting and if you look close, those are my the imprints of my hand on the living room door frame were the host drug me out of the game.

Tukuul

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Yes, but was it the responsible thing to do? Is it really fair if I "choose" to quit just because I think I've found something better to do with my time after making a commitment?

Would it have been fair if The Hosts said they found something better to do with their time rather than carry out this game after promoting it? How would that have made everyone feel?

There's more to the decision than just the seemingly self-fulfilling purpose it serves. That's all I really have to add.

Vasix

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Zelda: no first nation peoples would claim me by any law. The Irish, German, French, Dutch and whatever other blood has overwhelmed any hope. But thanks for the hug.

Kearie

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:42 pm Click here to edit this post
I adore the HOST??? or NEIL??? since when?

Tukuul

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Oops, sorry Gail. You are right, but I wasn't directing what I had to say at anyone in particular.

Zelda

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:48 pm Click here to edit this post
Gail, LOL... so that is why you needed hand surgery!

Karuuna

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 06:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Tuk -- well, no it isn't fair, but not much about life is. I don't think anyone "wanted" to quit, I think everyone went in with good intent, and the intent to stay. But sometimes, as much as we think we've thought things thru, we realize when we get into them that they're aren't what we thought. Or they have an adverse effect on some other part of our lives that's more important. Life is a constant weighing and balancing of all our competing interests. Sometimes u can't keep all the promises you make, no matter how much you'd like to. All you can do then is admit it's not right for you, with apologies all around.

Tukuul

Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 07:00 pm Click here to edit this post
People either make excuses or execute responsibility.

Lafatme

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:19 am Click here to edit this post
to norequerdo,

the game is over, your "man" won, it's time to stop the kearie bashing.

what you are doing is no longer productive, it is irrelevant, and most importantly, is causing REAL LIFE pain to kearie.

if your posts were in fun then you should realize the"FUN" STOPPED MONDAY AT 6PM!

there is no point to your continued snipes at her other than to cause hurt to another human being, if that is your intention then it says more about your faults than hers.

it's over. you won. now stop it or you will be showing yourself to be nothing more than a hurtful bully who enjoys causing pain to others.

enough, it's over.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:28 am Click here to edit this post
Without regrad to any names either direction, or at any point, I can sure respect that thought Lafatme.

Lafatme

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:36 am Click here to edit this post
thanks lance.

let's just get back to having fun again.
btw, nice job in the game. good to have you back.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:44 am Click here to edit this post
ya know, I don't know if it was a nice job or not. You guys collectively decide that for the game! I didn't play sides--just myself--htat could be good or bad for others...it's te only thing thta works for me.

I'm going to enjoy posting on this board...I can tell that already. Of course it can't be anything too deep or that I might not agree with....or anything to controversial..we couldn't have that now.

Thanks for your thoughts though--they are truly appreciated.

Affinity

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 03:59 am Click here to edit this post
Let me add a small opinion that I just thought of

Even IF everyone cheated, it didn't help them get further in the game. Their posts did.
When you cheat on a card game, you hold a card under the table or something so you can use it when you need it. Talking to people on IM wasn't going to help any of the BGs with the game. That was the good thing about it.

Vasix

Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 05:32 am Click here to edit this post
Affy yes the cheating by talking is overrated in regards to how it AFFECTED the outcome. I think we have surely shown that people sense what they feel about other people and if a player had "outside information" it still wouldn't change the player's aura as perceived by the posters on the outside (who were the voters). To make the game work next time we have to just get a confirmed, documented, communicated secure voting system. And we'll be fine. Oh, and we need to have all the great posters we've had out here. Yes Roger, sometimes two or more folks get engaged in an argument longer than it needs to but inertia of emotion is hard to stop!

I also Roger am curious in what you think were your "small" mistakes. Your posting of perfection being your goal and the inherent imperfection of humans being your biggest disappointment interested me. I'd like you juxtapose those beliefs against your atheistic statements. Are you of the school of Humanism that believes in the perfected Self? Its an entirely different thread but before I fade away I want to hear your thoughts on that. Thanks Roger.