Luke | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:17 pm  Nah Moon, I don't think you're a downer at all... I mean I think being able to talk about things like this with people I haven't known for very long is one of the biggest things that attracted me to playing this game... I know some people who are incapable of talking about issues like this with people they've known for years! I totally relate w/ ya, Moon |
Vykin | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:20 pm  Okay I'm back, bottle of wine, help yourselves. Arreal, yes it was mostly from the day before. If Xenia is upset arreal, then she should come and talk to me face to face. She and I are obviously two different people, I think she is probably a decent person. I just get annoyed with sexual overloads. |
Moondance | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:23 pm  It's weird Like but I feel like I have known you for a long time ... you remind me of a good friend of mine ... I adore him (he is still looking for Mr. Right too) |
Arreal | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:23 pm  I know in my case I have subconsciously chosen to be in bad relationships. For me they are like a comfort zone. I know how it is to be treated badly. I deserve to be treated badly, and I can emotional accept it. It is what I have always known so it is comfortable. I never did this consciously. When a good thing came my way I could quickly turn it into a bad thing, not by conscious choice, but because who I am as a person, my experiences and expectations. Through introspection, and trying to discover my subconscious reasons for the cycle of bad relationships, I was able to break free of them. But I still had to face the fear of the unknown. Fear of a good relations. I had to learn to trust others, see my self as worthy and deserving of love. I had to be willing to step forward into a good relationship and hope I could handle the uncomfortable feelings and newness of it. I think often we have to push ourselves to be ready in some ways. So in this, I don't think it is an issue of picking non-committal types when we aren't ready. I think it's willingness to take a risk. |
Luke | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:26 pm  I know what you mean, Moon... I've sensed that too... (you did mean Luke, right, not Like... hehehe) Well girlfriend--don't just sit there talking to me about this friend of yours--HOOK ME UP! Hehehehehehehehehehe  |
Arreal | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:28 pm  Vyk, I haven't spoken to Xenia about it at all. I was frustrated by it and I wanted to understand. I felt like Man got out of hand in the room and you jumped on the band-wagon. I wanted to understand why you joined in on it. Now that you've told me it was still frustration from the previous day, I can understand better. No offense intended by my question. |
Arreal | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:29 pm  LOL you two, how silly you be. And I love that "BLAH" clipart. |
Roger_Ramjet | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:35 pm  <<looks like I'm back and able to jump in most any time--the work day is slowing down. My litle task will take place next week, as some conditions must be net before I can proceed. Advantages and disadvantages of being the person in the company that can deal with explosives and chemicals that can become explosive if the wrong things happen. Enough non-game babble |
Moondance | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:36 pm  I think it is a combination of both of our outlooks Arreal ... you are right about the comfort zone ... when you do not know any better, kind of hard to make a choice that is unfamiliar... Yes, ... if we learn to take the risk... this is what I was talking about with choice I think we are on the same page on this. Hi Vykin I am partly responsible for her feeling uncomfortable so I can understand why she has been defensive... I am sorry You are in SanFran right Like Luke I mean like ... if you are ever in the LA area I am hooking you two up! |
Moondance | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:37 pm  Welcome Back Roger!!!!! |
Roger_Ramjet | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:40 pm  Hey Moon, Vyk, Luke and Arreal, what am in walking in on?? Is it a private convo, or did you want more company?? |
Moondance | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:44 pm  the more the merrier! |
Arreal | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:44 pm  Roger!!! Howdy. Private conversation? ROFLMnAO lol sorry that was hysterical to me considering where we are. I think we maybe moon. I hope I didn't make Vyk mad.  |
Luke | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:48 pm  Woo hoo! Roger's back! I posted the final answer to the challenge, Roger... but no response yet... Today was a pretty laid back day for me too, thank goodness... Ready for some wine? |
Moondance | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:50 pm  LOL Arreal ... you are pretty confrontational!... Not I love that wavey guy!!!  |
Roger_Ramjet | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:52 pm  I see you are talking about Xenia, amoung other topics--anyone heard from her today?? Ooh, Arreal, you hit upon a very important insight that people have a tough time with--well, many people anyway. |
Vykin | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:52 pm  nope not mad give me a sec here I'm still in the room . |
Arreal | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:54 pm  I love the smiley guy too. He is soooo cute. Not a word from Xenia. What point was that Roger? |
Roger_Ramjet | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:55 pm  Luke--I saw your final answer--and I look forward to Host saying we have it right...that thing about winning coming out again... If you're offering wine Luke, I'll take a glass--unless you've got a drip IV set up ready to go..wait, make that wide open set up!! LOL |
Roger_Ramjet | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 03:58 pm  Your point about doing things that are comfortable. Moon indicated that we do that when we don't know any better. I believe that humans (In general) choose what's comfortable--what they are used to---over what is better for them---even when they know the "comfortable" way is bad for them. |
Luke | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:00 pm  Aarrggghhh! Nature calls... be right back... |
Arreal | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:03 pm  I don't think it is always a conscious choice though. When a person gets into ANOTHER abusive situation, I believe they are still hoping this one will be different. I think subconsciously they choose comfort. |
Moondance | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:05 pm  Read a little farther up on the thread Roger and tell me what you think ... kind of what you mentioned... it was one of the takes I thought too... We have choices |
Roger_Ramjet | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:16 pm  Moon, yes, I neglected to mention that you had said that and it's a very true situation---choices. It seems by nature we are not cretaures of change! lol There are many people that seem to not like making choices. I have a few opinions on that issue too. Gee, seems like I have lots of opinions!! LOL I'll leave them out of this for now. You guys are headed on a great track, and I don't want ot derail it! Arreal--I agree with you on that one! Many times we don't see it. That's probably how it happens the most. I was talking about extreme cases such as spousal abuse where the person knows they are in a situation that is bad, yet they can't leave. I realize there are other things going on as well, although I've been aware of situatiosn where it being what they were used to played a role. Think of why abused become abusers many times. They hated being abused, yet it was what they are familiar with-- |
Arreal | Thursday, October 12, 2000 - 04:20 pm  Very true and very sad. A cycle of comfort and familiarity. Lots of tough choices in life. |