Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 07:01 am  The players have been discussing the death penalty. Who has the best take on this? Will you decide who to vote for based on this topic? |
Azriel1104 | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 07:16 am  I won't decide who to vote for on the side one takes in one discussion. I'm sure I probably don't believe in everything that Eddie believes in politically, but I voted for him to win. I can disagree with a person's political or religious beliefs and still like and respect that person. It will take me awhile to decide who I fully support. I want to see the whole package. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 07:34 am  I think the sides one takes on the death penalty issue reveals whether you have a bad heart or a good heart. Those who support the death penalty usually have bad hearts. Those who do not support the death penalty usually have good hearts. |
Sugarlover | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 07:54 am  So are you saying that I don't have a good heart cuz I happen to be a death penalty supporter? Just making sure I read you right. I know you said "usually" but still you seem to be insinuating that DP supporters probably have bad hearts. I beg to differ here. I have a very good heart and I want to see those with bad hearts who took a life get what they deserve ONLY if it's a SURE thing they are guilty. Like DNA or confession or SEVERAL eyewitnesses with the SAME story. Not just one eyewitness, not enough for me. I'm not attacking you Ocean, I just want you to clarify what you really mean by that statement. This makes for good discussion. Anyone else have a problem with Ocean's statement? |
Guruchaz | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 08:16 am  Ocean Islands, That is so false. You can't judge a person's heart by the stance they take on issues like that. You have a lot to learn in life. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 08:19 am  You support the death penalty? Then you want to see someone die. I have a hard time believing that someone who wants to see another person die has a good heart. |
Guruchaz | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 08:27 am  Ocean Islands, Understand that I'm not in a big rush to run down to my local prison and watch someone fry or get injected and then throw a party afterwards. That's what you make it sound like. Like I said, you have a lot to learn about judging people. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 08:31 am  I'm not judging anyone. I'm simply talking about human nature. On the other hand, you are making direct statements about me. It sounds like you know quite a bit about judging other people, perhaps from a lot of practice. |
Catbowl | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 08:38 am  hummm...I don't know if someone who supports the DP has a bad heart or not but I am really confused when I know of someone who is anti-abortion and is pro-death penalty. So they save the fetus and it grows up to kill someone then they in turn are put to death. Don't make no sense to me. But I have heard that it is cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to have them on death row. If anybody else has heard this could you please explain why this is? Could it be the higher security and legal stuff? |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 08:43 am  Because usually the entire time they are on death row, they are in a court battle trying to over turn it on appeal, and so forth. So it clogs up the courts and costs a lot of money that taxpayers have to foot the bill for. There is no delay for people on death row. They are usually supposed to be put to death pretty much immediately. The only reason people stay on death row for years and years and years is because of the court processes involved, which are extremely expensive. |
Azriel1104 | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:05 am  Ocean, good heart/bad heart...that is a very narrow minded statement and not worth debating. Catbowl, let me enlighten you...the difference here is that the fetus is an innocent human being. They didn't murder anyone in their mother's womb. You can't pronounce someone guilty till after they commit a crime. |
Catbowl | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:09 am  How can they cut down on these processes? I think that would also help with the over-population of the prisons. It sounds like the lawyers are trying to line their pockets with this. How many appeals does it take? Dang. You would think one good appeal would be enough, especially in this day and age of DNA. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:10 am  Az, I disagree completely. One houseguest just won half a million dollars because he had a "good heart". Not worth debating? On the contrary! |
Catbowl | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:22 am  Azriel, and how many innocent people have been put to death? OK. Let me spell it out for you. I am pro life all the way thru. I would rather see the most heinious criminal spend the rest of his days rotting in jail then my tax dollars spent on death. Parole needs to be abolished. Send them off to an island somewhere and duke it out amongst themselves with the snakes and rats. hummm..where have I heard that before? There was only one time in my life that I contemplated murdering someone. It scared the crap out of me. I know that anger. I know that passion. Its no excuse. I suppose thats why I don't believe in the DP. Its because anyone of us could be pushed to murder if the circumstances where right. |
Catbowl | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 09:44 am  Arreal just said it very eloquently in the game room. I am with her. She will never get my vote for banishment. She was outside at the time. |
Wcv63 | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 10:25 am  If I heave a sigh of relief to know that evil has finally been taken from the world that makes me "bad hearted"? Have you ever suffered the heartbreak of having a loved one taken from you, brutally tortured and killed? Have you ever looked into that killer's eyes to see triumph, scorn and contempt? No it's not revenge talking. It's fear of geniune evil. |
Sara | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:24 am  Ocean, I tend to side with Wcv. There are some people on this earth who are so dangerous, that the chance that they can escape from jail, and kill again, has to be eliminated. Ted Bundy killed 6 people after he escaped from jail in Wyoming. Just a thot. |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 11:26 am  Ocean - as much as I enjoy your posts, I disagree as well. My heart is still good and I'm pro DP. I would, that it didn't HAVE to exist, but as it does and how technically advanced we are, I don't believe that there will continue to be "innocent" mistakes. If we are sitting on a jury and death is an option, I'm sure that in this climate of distrust for the authorities, etc. We will surely be looking for DNA, and more then one witness |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:05 pm  Sorry gotta double post - it that any relation to double dipping? Anyhoo... the WG-BG take yer pick, are now talking deterrent. In my stance on the subject, deterrent is not a factor. We are all innocent until proven guilty and murderers are not murderers until they in fact MURDER. With the DP they will not murder again, and that is fine with me. Do you not think if Richard Ramerez got out he would have any problem with murdering again? How about Ted Bundy who *did* get another chance? I am not a heartless person, I've been known to cry at those stupid GTE commercials during the holiday season. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:12 pm  Who said anything about letting them go free for goodness sake. |
Digilady | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:43 pm  Oc, ever heard of "parole?" That is letting them go. As the prison system gets more and more crowded, more inmates are paroled. For me, an eye for an eye. Dahmer? Let him fry. Bundy? The same. Me pay taxes so they can live, breathe and watch TV in prison? No thank you. They took lives. Give them life? I think not. If anything, I believe the DP should be extended.. to rapists, for example. 3 times and you're dead type of thing. When 4 out of 5 women have been raped... but I digress, as usual. The DP is a damn good deterrant. You kill someone in Texas, you die. Common logic indicates a killer in =that= state would think twice. JMO |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:46 pm  It's been known to happen, as with the Ted Bundy escape. How many lives were lost to that one? It's just my opinion and as few and far in between escapes are, they do happen and lives could have been spared. |
Ocean_Islands | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 12:48 pm  I have to admit I'm getting a bit shocked here. Maybe people are posting without really thinking. An eye for an eye? Do you realize what this means? Dahmer would be cannibalized and raped and murdered. Bundy would also be raped and murdered. "3 times and you're dead?" Have you always thought that team sports rules were an appropriate base for criminal justice? |
Nikkid | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 01:03 pm  How dare you imply we are not thinking. Yes, it would be nice if there was no need for the death penelty, hey, it would be nice if we had world peace as well, but we don't. And with the rising statistics of crime and murder, should we all have prison states and increasing taxes to support these people? Have you had anyone who died in a violent crime? There is no parole or escape for the ones left behind. As for your take on the Dahmer and Bundy's demise in the eye for an eye senario, I have zero problems with that. I can only imagine the suffering their victims went through, why should they fare better? |
Katie | Saturday, October 07, 2000 - 01:25 pm  I don't believe in the death penalty and I don't believe in parole. I think that someone who is found guilt of a crime like that should be sentenced to prison for life with any chance of getting out.I have read people saying it is a deterrent but when people are murdering they aren't thinking. Just acting. Very often it is done in a fit of anger so it won't and doesn't work as a deterrent. I think they shouldn't be living a comfortable life style either. They should have to do some honest work for their own support. Good behavior would earn privileges not time off. If someone is sentenced for 20 years it should be 20 years and none of this 20 years to life. It should just be life. If someone is charged with murder they should try to get some DNA evidence before trial and if found guilty it should be life without parole everytime. No chance of ever getting out. |