Himay Disses Luke
The ClubHouse: The Game - Discussion Room: General :
General - Archives:
Oct. 6-16:
Himay Disses Luke
Ocean_Islands | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 11:09 am  Himay has started quoting biblical passages against homosexuality. Luke is gay. She says she is pro-choice, which she may be. But why would she throw bible verses at him? |
Norequerdo | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 11:23 am  She would throw bible verses at him because that is what those folks do. And the fact that she is pro-choice reminds me of a lot of people, the bible is thrown out there when it supports their view and they ignore those parts of the bible that don't meet with their own personal needs. Think of how many pro-lifers support the death penalty. Me personally, I am pro choice, could care less what someone's sexual preferences are, am against the death penalty. I am one of those liberals that everyone use to hate a few years ago. |
Lafatme | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 12:14 pm  nor, i, too am one of those liberals! nice to meet another. also, the bible never mentions abortion. |
Katie | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 12:18 pm  Seems wishy washy to me. Like 'I don't think it is right but then again maybe it is 'kind of thinking. |
Ocean_Islands | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 12:22 pm  OMG they're getting religious on us now; Kearie/Arreal has joined in. I can't believe this! At least this little experiment is making them show their true colors. |
Digilady | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 12:39 pm  I agree with the wishy-washy statement - except it's really appearance-saving. Quote the bible, then say "OH but it's each to his own, I'm all for choices." ding ding ding |
Noslonna | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 12:52 pm  Xenia just attacked Zebulon and Himay and Christianity in general. She summed it up: "F-ck this. I could go on forever about how the whole f-cking Christianity crap causes more harm than good and creates more prejudice than understanding and acceptance, but I'll just stop because I am really angry right now." |
Wcv63 | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 12:56 pm  I find myself disagreeing with a lot of Xenia's beliefs and views. Thing is, if she wasn't in the game would it be half as interesting? Where is Mantastic? I have been awaiting his views and participation because he seemed like such an interesting character. He doesn't seem to be contributing very much. Doesn't he know he doesn't get to have a life??!!! At least not during "The Game"! |
Azriel1104 | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 01:15 pm  Think of how many pro-lifers support the death penalty. Me personally, I am pro choice, could care less what someone's sexual preferences are, am against the death penalty. It seems to me that if you were anti-DP because you were against the taking of all life that you would have to be pro-life. We use the lack of measurable brain waves to signify death, so it would follow that the presence of measurable brain waves would signify life. By as early as the 40th day after conception, measurable brain waves can be detected in a fetus. |
Digilady | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 02:43 pm  Yeah, Az. Exactly. That had me confused. Pro-choice and anti DP? "Killing" is OK sometimes? (pro-choice, pro-DP here.) Death is death, eh? BTW Xenia has interesting views. And stands up for them. Glad to see that, not so glad to see quoting of the bible then back-pedaling. If you're gonna stand up for a thing, stand up. |
Pluckypanda | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:12 pm  Are you saying that supporting laws that give a woman a right to choose is the same as supporting lethal injection? Pro-choice doesn't represent death all the time you know... |
Lafatme | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:32 pm  i guess i'll try to draw a distinction between abortion and the death penalty. personally, i am against killing, in both cases. however most "pro-lifers" want this to be a political decision, not a moral one. there is no law saying a woman must have an abortion, or that a jury can decide that a woman must have an abortion. there is a law that allows a jury to decide that someone must be put to death. most pro-lifers want a law "outlawing" abortion and i disagree with this. i would like women to "choose feely" not to have one, but the choice is theirs. all life has value, even if we don't see it. this should have nothing to do with the laws of a country but rather, with what is right. there used to be a commercial for hebrew national hot dogs saying that the government "allows" them to put fillers into their meat but they "answer to a higher authority" which won't allow it. i think that's a good way to live. just because the "law" allows something doesn't mean it's right, just not subject to criminal penalties. there are also laws against things which are not "wrong", just illegal. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE! |
Digilady | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:34 pm  And what is the woman choosing? Death by D&C? This is better/worse than death by lethal injection? "Pro-choice doesn't represent death all the time"? Maybe I'm having a brain fart, but =when= does it not? |
Digilady | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:40 pm  Laf, both abortion and the DP are legal. And I thought most pro-lifers were rabid against killing. Even flinging fetuses about. (Of course, shooting a gyno doesn't count here.) |
Nikkid | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:43 pm  Amen digi. |
Kimber1011 | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:44 pm  I'm finding May a little hard to comprehend myself. With one breath she says she didn't say gay people are unnatural, but that in her opinion two people of the same sex engaging in sex is unnatural. Huh? Then complains about being bashed for saying she accept all people. So I guess she accepts that they do it, but thinks it is unnatural. As for Arreal - she likens homosexuality to having a disease or illness or being a murderer. God loves everyone - diabetic, cancer patients, murderers and gays. After all gays can't help being gay - it's just a obstacle that God has given them to overcome. I wonder why he didn't curse Job with that one? Arreals seems to think it is okay to be gay as long as you don't act on it. Like diabetics not eating. Free-will means choosing not to eat that chocolate pie or have "unnatural" (May) relations with someone of the same sex. And no I'm not gay. But the only prejudice I have is again small-minded people. |
Pluckypanda | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:53 pm  Pro-choice doesn't represent death when a woman CHOOSES to have the baby, either for herself or to put it up for adoption. That's what choice means to me, that legally you have other options besides having the baby. Everyone seems to focus on the idea that pro-choice automatically means having an abortion, and I think that is an unfair generalization of intelligent women everywhere who are perfectly capable of making that distinction without meddling from clueless male lawmakers...I may be a clueless male but at least I'm not a lawmaker... |
Digilady | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 03:57 pm  Well said, Pluck!! I knew I was missing something. Twas indeed a brain fart on my part. Of course you're right. A woman can choose to have the baby as well. LOL about the lawmaker part! |
Lafatme | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 04:00 pm  dig, maybe i'm confused but "pro-choice" allows a woman to "choose" to have the baby. in this case it would have nothing to do with death at all. the point is that the government doesn't "choose" either way, as it does in the death penalty. i believe people have to live with, and answer for, their choices. i don't like the government forcing a certain decision. what my neighbor does it not my business, what the government does is my business. i hope this explains why the death penalty bothers me but a woman's choice to have an abortion (although i personally disagree) is her business, not mine. this is a useless argument anyway and no one's mind will change because of it. so i'm done with it. |
Digilady | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 04:20 pm  (we posted at same time!) Are we not the govt? Are we not the "jury of our peers"? Therefore =we= make the DP decision as well. (Ack! You're leaving! Excellent debate, tho, and I for one enjoyed it.) No debate is ever useless, minds can always be opened. (One hopes!) Sadder yet are those who read us, Laf, and feel strongly yet don't post. |
Wcv63 | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 04:39 pm  Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't America supposed to epitomize tolerance? I know that as of now it is an ideal and not yet realized but the ideal is there nonetheless. The ideal is that many different races, religions, lifestyles, cultures and viewpoints can co-exist without fear of reprisal. And it's one of the reasons I get so angry that lawmakers feel like they have the right to decide who and if a person can marry legally. Intolerance begats ignorance. Because to be intolerant is to be closeminded. |
Norequerdo | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 05:14 pm  Pro choice and being against the death penalty are two different issues. I believe in choice and I don't think government should interfere in a woman's private decision. As for the death penalty, that is government sanctioned killing of a fully formed adult human being. The death penalty is also disproportionately applied to mintorities. There is also the chance that an innocent person could be killed. Even if one person who is innocent is put to death by the government that should be enough to validate the outlawing of the death penalty. |
Azriel1104 | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 05:34 pm  Okay, I'm still confused here. A woman's right to choose? I have a woman next door to me that chooses to kill her husband because she doesn't like the way he looks at her. Hey, it's her choice, why should he government interfere. Right? No, our laws protect human life. It sucks that nature works this way. Women HAVE to carry the human offspring inside their bodies. This is not an extension of their body. It is a totally seperate entity. The only thing it needs from it's mother is nourishment and a safe enviroment - the womb - to grow in. It makes me insane that people always spout the same rhetoric on this subject. Hey, use YOUR brain. Is the fetus a human life? You can't sit on a fence here. Do brain waves measure human life or not? If they do in one case than they should in another. This has nothing to do with the Bible thumping rhetoric. This has everything to do with human rights and protecting those who can't protect themselves. Get your heads out of the sand. |
Norequerdo | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 05:46 pm  Get my head out of the sand???? you are telling me that an organism with two cells is the same as a human being?????? A woman with four children who is poor finds herself pregnant again. Is it worse to terminate the pregnancy at six weeks or to carry the baby to full term to a life of degradation and misery for all. Is it worse for a crack addict to terminate a pregnancy at 6 weeks than to give birth to an addicted baby who is retarded. Is it worse for a woman to terminate a pregnancy after her amniocentesis shows that her fetus has no brain and will die after it is born??? Terminating a pregnancy is not an easy thing but it does not equate to killing an adult human being. |
Azriel1104 | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 06:00 pm  Norequerdo, I just want people to think about what human life is, instead of spouting the same old crap. It sounds like you HAVE thought it through. You've just drawn a different line in the sand than I have. If you are going to support abortion rights then KNOW what is being aborted. Think about what your definition of life is and if you can really be comfortable with this instead of sitting on the fence with the ever popular phrase ' well I wouldn't do it but...' spouting out of your mouth. If you support abortion rights, then why the hell wouldn't you do it yourself if you found yourself in the circumstances that you think would support the decision. |
Norequerdo | Sunday, October 08, 2000 - 06:06 pm  Actually, I did have an abortion over twenty years ago when I was a 19 year old student in college. So I know whereof I speak. I have no guilty feelings about it at all. As soon as I found out i was pregnant which was at six weeks, I terminated the pregnancy and it was the right thing to do. |
|