Archive through October 28, 2000

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Whit4you

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:19 pm Click here to edit this post
Some of us are stressing a bit I think because we think folks cheated in this game. Well the RULES say "ANYTHING GOES" I really don't see anywhere in the game where it says "ACCEPT CHEATING" correct? Now I guess most of us just thought that no cheating was a given. However that's NOT what the rules say, the rules say "ANYTHING GOES" - granted at the times they agreed to those rules the prize was only for a Tshirt, HOWEVER the rules did say ANYTHING GOES, and that would include adding an additional prize.

Most of us were watching BB - hoping for the "car wreck" - the same goes I think for many of us when we watch bull riding, or car racing etc. I personally was very upset over the fact that a major corporation played GOD in a man's life for ratings (possibly costing a family 500,000) ok? The rules said apparently "that big brother could change the rules at any time....." they agreed to that going in.. basically the same thing as ANYTHING GOES.

Personally I felt it was one of the worst things I'd ever seen a corporation do to one individual.
But it was apparently ok because they agreed to those rules.

Well this was a beta test, the RULES said ANYTHING GOES, it's an absolute, and I think *EVERYONE* know how much problems those pesky absolutes are.

From day one this game has been a group of people walking into unchartered territory. We all knew that there hadn't been any pre-test THIS is the pre-test. They hadn't tried and tested every issue and aspect that might arise, that's what THIS game was for. He hadn't had experience with how a game over a tshirt might turn out if he didn't spend hours and hours making up the "rules" making sure that he covered every possible unforseen event.

I think we've all gained from being here or we wouldn't STILL be here.

Jana

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:34 pm Click here to edit this post
tell the people players that have spent so much of their time on this game, pouring their hearts out that is it JUST a beta test....

thats ok, i am happy that i get to talk to Moonie again now.....oh, and guess what I CHEATED and told her what happened.....oh, and guess what....i gave her my password just a minute ago so she could read all this...i mean....it doesn't matter if we cheat since there are no repercussions right?

poor moonie is crying her eyes out...i hope you cheaters are happy

Whit4you

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Jana - one thing you are forgetting - they all entered the game for a tshirt / and the experience - so what she's losing out on that she wanted walking in the door - is the last week "in the game" - but trust me she'll have much MORE fun out here... I think. I think the experience out here is much more interesting then the one they will have the next week "in there"

I definately say her cheating and reading the posts here now shouldn't bother ANYONE of us :)
After all what can they do at this point - disqualify her LOL

Spamgirl

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:43 pm Click here to edit this post
"poor moonie is crying her eyes out...i hope you cheaters are happy"

Oh please... there's a possibility of getting banished for everyone in the godamned game... EVERYONE knew that going in... for all we know NO ONE cheated... this is SPECULATION... she shouldn't be crying... she's not losing out on anything but a cd burner and a tshirt, and if that's why she's upset, she's materialistic

if she's crying 'cuz cheaters voted her out, she's got the wrong emotion going... she should be pissed off... not crying...

I'm sorry, but pulling that kind of guilt trip won't work... we're all in control of our own lives and our own emotions... if she doesn't want to be sad, she doesn't have to be.

If anything, she should be raising bloody hell...

Jana

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:48 pm Click here to edit this post
well spammie: (and thank you SO much for taking the Lord's name in vain to press your point) the point wasn't that she didn't think that she would get banished...it was that she got banished unfairly...

and she IS not upset about the prize....she is upset about the countless hours that she spent here working so hard and that she will miss out on the rest of the experience....

you don't even know her spamgirl...yeah, sure for all you know nobody was cheating, what an interesting thing to say from the person that first mentioned that she knew how to cheat....

why don't you try to be a little LESS compassionate...she just found out about this and she is a better person than me, she won't raise bloody hell

Spamgirl

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:53 pm Click here to edit this post
Banished unfairly? who says tali didn't? arreal was pretty close in the polls... and maybe zeb was too? who knows... I do know that there was cheating going on in the past, but you never rose hell 'til it was one of your friends who was the butt of it...

the rest of the experience? 2 days... no loss... as you said, at least you get to talk to her now...

Oh please... yeah, I've been cheating... I HAVE A CABLE MODEM, I CAN'T CHEAT... besides, i wouldn't vote moon out... I'd vote vykin, the person everyone here knows I hate with a passion, out... I'm still pissed HE didn't get out... too bad he and moon can't trade places

I don't know her... I'm just saying that if anyone i knew was crying about it, i'd think it was the wrong thing to be doing... if it upsets her, she should do something about it... nothing can change if everyone just sits back and cries in the face of adversity...

Jana

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 09:56 pm Click here to edit this post
"I do know that there was cheating going on in the past, but you never rose hell 'til it was one of your friends who was the butt of it..."

really? how did you know there was cheating in the past? i didn't! if there was it wasn't as blatant, there werent almost 500 votes.

"nothing can change if everyone just sits back and cries in the face of adversity... "

why the hell do you think i am risking my membership here to make my point? for the exact reason that is in your quote above!

Whit4you

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:01 pm Click here to edit this post
spam - there are only 660 active users to the TVCLUBHOUSE message board, apparently 120 of them happened to be here AND voting in just the last hour - pretty impressive wouldn't you say? LOL


lets see there were supposed to be 3 hours left in that poll....already 246 folks had voted, almost half of them in one hour a few hour before the polls was going to close. At a rate of 120 in the last hour how many votes do you think we would have had the next hour or the next?

Hmmmmm....

Jana

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:02 pm Click here to edit this post
whit, i respect you for being able to be truly objective about this situation! most of us cannot say the same...i know i sure as hell can't!

Spamgirl

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:07 pm Click here to edit this post
People admitted voting multiple times in the past... just read old messages...

Sure, raise hell... I just think it can be done with a little more decorum... instead of whining on the boards...

whit: yeah, i'm not saying they DIDN'T cheat... I'm just saying a) it's not the first time and b) we don't have concrete proof and c) sucks, but it's too late...

Well, I think most people wanted to vote late... but that is nuts ;) I'm just surprised people were hanging up their modems so quickly... that's quite a feat! must have been quite a few people on dialup doing it... 120 in an hour? that's 2 a minute... dialup takes about 2 minutes, 3 minutes to vote... that's 5 minutes each... so that's 20 votes an hour... so 6 people were in on it, or more... now that's what i call organized crime!

Whit4you

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:20 pm Click here to edit this post
"120 in an hour? that's 2 a minute... dialup takes about 2 minutes, 3 minutes to vote... that's 5 minutes each... so that's 20 votes an hour... so 6 people were in on it, or more... now that's what i call organized crime"

Well first thing you'd need to do is count out the % that you think were legit votes.. lets say 80 of them were legit votes... ? that would leave 40 "cheating" votes... and no it don't think they were signing off and back on to vote personally. I'd have to guess they were deleting the cookie which said they'd already voted. That's my take on it, but I don't know.

Spamgirl

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:20 pm Click here to edit this post
OK jana... nuff said, I'm going to regret fighting tomorrow... so this is where i'm at:

Thank you for standing up against cheating... in the beginning, it sounded like you just were upset for moon... but if you are going to fight the cheating, do something about it - good for you...

sorry i took the lords name in vain (although its your lord, not necessarily mine :) )... let's just all get along peacably... and if you need my help in raising some hell, just ask...

down with cheaters... up with calmness and clarity...

Spamgirl

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:24 pm Click here to edit this post
80 of them? in one hour? no way... maybe 20 of them were legit votes in 1 hour...

oh, and cookies don't cut it - this has IP number blocking on it... so you'd have to cut your connection and relog for every vote... clearing cookies doesn't count...

So... 122 people alltogether voted... i thought you meant it was all in the last hour :) that could be done by 2 or 3 people (1 isp typically will recycle the ip numbers ot the point you could only get maybe 5 or 6 votes per hour up to 20 votes max... but that's more than enough for 2 people to go it)

Sick... i don't care how they did it, YOU CHEATERS ARE FOUL LITTLE ....

Jana

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:31 pm Click here to edit this post
" People admitted voting multiple times in the past... just read old messages... "

people? really i thought i just remember one, you.

"Sure, raise hell... I just think it can be done with a little more decorum... instead of whining on the boards..."

and where do you suggest i whine then? i have already emailed the host ad nauseum

i am sorry, but i still hold true to my original suspicions.....spammie sorry but methinks you protest too much....you sure have a lot of info on how to get around and NOT get around the system, yet you seem to portray innocence around the particulars of the whole thing and want everyone to brush it off....

i am sorry if i am wrong, and like you i am sure i will regret posting some of this tomorrow...

as adven said, i am a little Texas Tornado, and i'm an F5 on the Fujita scale right now

Affinity

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:33 pm Click here to edit this post
hey lets stop fighting, the Host made his decision to keep things the way they are
i am upset that moonie was banished but we have to get over it now, serious
don't fight over this, especially when you arent to blame at what happened

Jana

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:36 pm Click here to edit this post
night all....i am going to bed before i become the most destructive tornado ever....i am usually only a little dust devil or water spout....but for some reason tonight i have intensified....hopefully tomorrow will turn out to be a bright sun-shiny day......

Affinity

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:38 pm Click here to edit this post
get a good night's rest Jana, don't be upset over zelda's banishment, she played her best
lets not think about the cheating anymore even though it still lurks in the back of our minds

Whit4you

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Jana, I sent you an email regarding my personal take on "who was cheating and why" if you didn't recieve it please send me an email WhitInWa@aol.com

I undestand your frustration here (I think many of us are) but I think your off base in thinking spamgirl may be cheating here because of her current comments. She really had no reason to 'cheat' she has no real passion for any one person to win. The only reason she made luke a page was cause she felt bad that he didn't have one (she made one for zeb as well) - anyone who would cheat in this game would have a good reason to do so. It would have to be important to them. I don't think there is any real reason for her to care who wins this game. See?

I also think Spam is a pretty resonable person and will understand why you have said what you've said here today.

(spam seriously - Jana's a good person she's just frustrated and lashing out - once she calms down I do not think she will for a minute think you might have been involved in cheating)

Anbis

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:54 pm Click here to edit this post
I find this fascinating. I have read the many posts on this board over the past couple of days and I want everyone to think about this:

The Board Guests were criticized for not having conflict and ignoring the tension and 'cheating' with Vykin. But the first big conflict out on the "outside" we are trying to just go on with the game.

Affinity has asked everyone "lets not think about the cheating anymore even though it still lurks in the back of our minds." I think this is what the Board Guests were doing also to just get along.

I am not wanting conflict to happen in there or out here but I found it interesting. We should think about it before we judge others. We are also obligated to fix the wrongs. There are real people involved, game or not.

The host should let the five stay in and continue the e-mail vote for first, second and third place. Just my opinion.

Vasix

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Everybody is willing to accuse everybody of cheating which I think is worse than any cheating. What is this? A game. And the board says anything goes. Apparently anything did go and it got people more riled than they thought they'd get. Its enough to lose a game but we needn't lose our self respect and the respect for others. Moon put a lot into the game she can cry if she wants to. Some people get mad, some get sad. Doesn't matter, the emotion's valid. I'm sorry she's crying. Don't know her from Eve but I'm sorry she is upset. And just cause Spamgirl has the intelligence to cheat doesn't mean that she did cheat or would cheat. Spamgirl deserves the same amount of respect as any other poster and she shouldn't be accused of cheating just because she knows alot. She can't help it if Bill Gates has six guys watching her night and day. She know alot about computers, that doesn't make her a cheater. Spamgirl, I can't for the life of me undestand why you aren't madly in love with Vykin (respecting of course any commited relationship you are in in the REAL world), but I still will not be silent while someone tars you with the cheating label. And this to a woman that mooned me. And might I add, I was horrified. :) I don't even know why I'm trying to defend you Spammie, you seem perfectly capable of doing that yourself. I better get out of here before I get shredded. And Jana, when Moon feels better, tell her this: Everyone assumed it was between her and Roger for first place. No one picked anyone else. And if Moon doubts that, have her come read all the boards. She was cream of the crop. She can be sad she's out but she can't be sad about the performance she turned in. Bravo, Moon

Tvfan

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 10:59 pm Click here to edit this post
Spamgirl, I have a couple of questions. The last round of voting was questionable also and you and, I believe, Aroy posted how you could go around the normal way of voting. Do you know if those posts are still on here from then? Could someone that works in an area with multiple computers keep voting off the pollit site? I know when it was posted the last time, I attempted to vote again (after the poll was closed) and I was able to. I wasn't around today when the poll numbers went up, however, I was surprised that Luke, Moon and Vykin's numbers had doubled. One more thing, I do know a lurker on here who told me they were able to place their 2 allotted votes for one person. They voted once and went back later and voted their second vote for the same person. So, it is possible that people were voting twice for one person.

BTW, I do not believe that you had anything to do with the multiple voting, if there was multiple voting. I thought it was great that you let everyone know the last time that the votes could be skewed and brought it out into the open when it was driving people nuts. IMO, you wouldn't have told us if you did it.

Anyway, I'm tired and I probably asked dumb questions, but this voting thing has bothered me since Zeb was booted.

Digilady

Friday, October 27, 2000 - 11:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Poor Spamster!!!!

Never let a good deed go unpunished, eh? Do a little explaining and it's yo arse they go after!

LOL

See ya in chat in a few.

Misslibra

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 12:33 am Click here to edit this post
After reading the turn of events the voting took, against Moon. Someone by the name of Brittany comes to mind.

Ocean_Islands

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 04:31 am Click here to edit this post
Jana, what is wrong with you?

Ocean_Islands

Saturday, October 28, 2000 - 04:36 am Click here to edit this post
Yes there is cheating all over the place.

But give it a rest you guys wouldja? Big Brother was FULL of cheating -- aren't you used to it by now? Nobody can do anything about it so stop the hysteria.

I DO NOT think it is a valid reason to sabotage the game in any way. You are just doing further damage.