Holy cow!!!
The ClubHouse: Temptation Island 2 : Holy cow!!!
Joan | Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 07:26 pm   I am so glad they added that text at the end or I would have had no idea what the hell the Catherine/Edmundo decision was. She really is needy. Who would stay with a guy who had just said he wanted to date around AND be with you? Was she even listening? She hugs and kisses on him even though he was saying, in the most wussy way mind you, that he didn't want her anymore (or didn't want only her anyway). Sounds like there was some bickering between Shannon and Mark that we didn't see. I loved how he pointed out the fact that she is SO controlling that she couldn't even let John make his own decisions on the island. Damn! Mark hit the nail on the head there! Too bad they stayed together. Poor John. Tommy and Nikkole. Well, as soon as she walked in I knew what was going to happen there. I am surprised Tommy decided to leave her. I am wondering if he was originally planning on basing his decision on hers and that's why he wanted to go last. I also loved the way he said she needed to explain Tommy NY to him and she said "I don't have to explain anything to you!" I am really surprised that she went back to him though. I am shocked. She seemed so strong. She is a cynic like me though it seems so she probably figured what the hell, there's not much better anyway. If it hadn't been for the post about the commercial, Mark and Kelly would have been a shock. Her reasoning still is kind of a mystery to me though. I am guessing there were issues about staying their staying in that one town that were not really touched on in the show. FOX generally does give away too much in its previews I have noticed. If the principal's daughter dies on Boston Public this next Monday, I will know for sure that they don't care about spoiling the show. That or maybe they think we are a lot dimmer than we think. At least CBS is meticulous about never giving anything away. |
Ark | Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 07:46 pm   I was so disappointed in Cathrine at bonfire but was thrilled when I saw that they split later. I wanted to cheer when Nikole made her decision and yes, I think Tommy wanted her to go first and base his decision on what she said. I loved it when they started bickering when they were walking away. I was really bummed when I saw that they got back together. I was shocked by Kelly's decision. I didn't really pay a lot of attention to this couple for some reason and I just figured they'd stay together. It sounded more like she objected to the town he chose to live in more than she objected to him though. I found the ending of this Temptation Island more satisfying than the first. Part of it was that some of the people were confident enough to split and part of it was their letting us know what happened after the show. |
Joan | Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 08:31 pm   Yes, this ending was better. I am thinking it is because they spend longer apart. Two weeks is not really enough to end a 3-5 year relationship IMO. They did let us know what happened after the show last time too in the same way btw. |
Ark | Thursday, February 14, 2002 - 09:19 pm   I guess I was just so ticked off that they all stayed together last time that my rage blinded me and I didn't see the stuff at the end. |
Max | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 12:17 am   Yes to all you guys have said! I was yelling at Catherine. First she tells Edmundo she's not the naive little girl he thinks she is and that she's learned she deserves and needs to be cherished. Then in the next breath, she tells this JERK who just told her he wants her and his honey on the side, too, that she loves him and wants to stay with him. Hmmmm... I'm thinking she's definitely not the naive little girl he thought she was. SHE'S STUPID and CO-DEPENDENT!!! Meanwhile, idiotic Edmundo was sitting there like a deer caught in the headlights. He figures he's just blown her off but made it look like it was her decision and now she's ruined his whole gig! He tried to hedge his bets, reaffirming that it would be okay with her if he "explores" this other relationship and she still looks at him adoringly. I was SO glad to see they broke up. Maybe she really intended to dump him and give him a good verbal lashing but just didn't want to do it on camera. Yeah, I'm gonna go with that 'cause I just can't bring myself to believe she's really so stupid that she'd want to go along with that jerk's plan. As for Kelly and Mark... Where does that guy get off? He tells her that "despite some of the qualities she lacks" he still wants to be with her???? Does he really think compliments (heavy sarcasm inserted here) like that win a girl's heart? Geez! How much of a dishrag would she be to stay with him?! Shannon and John...I figured they would stay together. I think John is really devoted to her. She's a total control freak (Mark did a good job of pointing that out without being mean) and John has gotten used to going along with it. Hopefully, they both learned something and moved to a better level in the relationship. I think John gained confidence and Shannon learned to let go a little. Nikkole and Tommy -- Dysfunction doesn't begin to describe these two, IMHO. I think he was right on when he said they are both good people, but maybe they don't bring out the best in each other. Who knows? Maybe while they were apart, they grew a bit. Maybe they just missed being in an adversarial relationship that they were accustomed to. Beats me. Here's the thing, though. Before the show, she wanted to be married to him and pressured him for that. She now says she was wrong to do that. I disagree. If marriage and a family are important to her, she should say so. Her mistake lay in giving ultimatums and not following through. Her mistake was expecting HIM to move to HER position about marriage instead of accepting that what he wanted was different. Not better or worse, just different. If marriage was her priority and not even on his list, then she needed to move on and find someone who was like-minded. Maybe after the TI2 experience and their time apart, their relationship goals were on the same track. Who knows? In any case, this season's ending seemed more realistic to me. I wish all the participants the best. |
Carolinakisses | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 06:39 am   Great summaries everyone. I totally agree. One thing I wanted to add was Mark could not "Take it like a man" when Kelly broke up with him. He threw a piece of paper or something in her lap and walked off. He basically put her down to her face and when she had her say he walks off. I say GOOD RIDDANCE KELLY!!!!!! |
Muse | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 11:49 am   Some people in the Chicago area apparently saw a news segment yesterday in which Tommy and Nikkole said that they weren't together, but merely roommates. They say that they are able to communicate better when they're not a couple, and that while they currently don't have any plans to get back together someday, that "anything is possible". Oh, and Nikkole said that she hasn't seen Tommy NY at all, and that she thinks of the relationship as a sort of a camp romance. You know, like you go off to camp, meet someone who just seems perfect, but also know that it probably wouldn't work in the real world (and thus don't ever talk to them again after that summer). Anyway...I really hope that Nikkole and Tommy decide to just stay friends. While they honestly seem to care about each other, their relationship as a couple is just too unhealthy. Edmundo is disgusting. And Catherine? Your speech about being so independent and strong would have been a lot more effective if you had followed it up by deciding to be...well, independent. Well, at least she finally dumped him after she realized that he was pretty intent on having an open relationship (and had pretty much acted on that while on the island). I would've felt bad for Mark if he hadn't have told Kelly that he was basically willing to settle for her (despite what she was "lacking"). What a jerk. What makes him feel like he's so superior to her? So good for her for breaking things off with him. It was kind of nice to hear that they managed to stay friends, though. Poor John. Ah well. At least Shannon's 100% devoted to him now. She still may be a little controlling and a bit on the emotionally unstable side, but hopefully she learned some limits. |
Resortgirl | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 12:09 pm   I kind of doubt that it was Catherine who did the dumping after the show. I think Edmundo basically was dumping her in a nice way on camera but was pretty sure that she was going to dump him (so he covered his butt either way). When she said (after her "I'm independent and not naive speech) that she wanted to work on their relationship and stay together I thought he was going to faint. He didn't reach out to her or try to kiss her or smile. He was speechless... and then when he finally thought of something to say he reiterated that he wasn't going to be able to forget his relationship with the girl he met on the island... Catherine really let me down.. I thought she was going to be strong and dump the big Creepo!! It's so fun watching other peoples miserable lives...LOL! J/K! |
Lurkin | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 12:10 pm   I had read with people saying Shannon was pyscho but I had never seen it until last night. The look of her eyes and face. sort of scary . When they showed John with the tear rolling down his face , now that was the money shot. He is a hottie. I loved they showed the discussion with Nik & Tommy after they walked away from bonfire. I was shocked when Catherine said she keep him. I thought after she saw the Hilary bathroom thing it would be over anyway. She seemed to enjoy all the attention from all the guys. p.s. this is my first post been lurking a while so be gentle with me. |
Resortgirl | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 12:12 pm   I forgot to mention that Edmundo probably told Catherine after the show about his "sexual encounter" with Hillary... hoping that THEN she would dump him... she probably said "that's in the past honey, I won't hold it against you." *gag* |
Karuuna | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 12:32 pm   Lurkin - glad to see you posting! Now don't be shy, and post some more! |
Resortgirl | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 12:45 pm   Yeah Lurkin!!!! It's great to see you post! Say, do you have a folder in the members area? Go make yourself one so we can put pretty pictures in there!! |
Lurkin | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:08 pm   Gee thanks you people are nice. I tried another board and they were nasty. I look forwared to talking with you. I'll check the members area |
Realfan | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:31 pm   <<As for Kelly and Mark... Where does that guy get off? He tells her that "despite some of the qualities she lacks" he still wants to be with her???? Does he really think compliments (heavy sarcasm inserted here) like that win a girl's heart? Geez! How much of a dishrag would she be to stay with him?! >> That annoyed me most of all! That and Catherine taking Edmundo back--even for an hour. Geez!! Well, it's been fun, guys. There may not be another TI, unfortunately, since the ratings were 1/3 of the first one. Survivor 4 starts soon, so I'll probably see you guys on that board. |
Joan | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 01:37 pm   Folders? Huh? Anyhow, I just kept thinking how dumb Edmundo was compared to everyone else. He really isn't very eloquent, assertive or bright, is he? His skepticism after they hugged should have tipped Catherine off. I was just in awe of her hugging on him when he had pretty much dumped her. I didn't think Mark was unmanly by walking off. If he had stayed and hugged on her like Catherine, then he would have been. I think there were issues with that couple that we just didn't see over the course of the show. She referred a lot to not wanting to stay in their town so I am guessing there were arguments over where they wanted their futures to go. |
Resortgirl | Friday, February 15, 2002 - 03:11 pm   Funny you should say that Joan. My husband commented last night, wondering if the show helped them with their final speech because he thought everyone was quite eloquent and articulate.... then Edmundo's speech came on and we looked at each other and laughed... "Maybe NOT"!!! |
Sallycat | Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 04:03 pm   Why do you all think that shannon and John are together? My TV said that they spent 5 passionate nights together in Shannon's house AND THE NEXT DAY JOHN MOVED OUT!!!!! |
Joan | Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 05:14 pm   No, John moved IN. |
Moondance | Saturday, February 16, 2002 - 05:44 pm   what Joan said |
Grooch | Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 07:58 am   Temptation, devastation, reconciliation They flirt on Temptation Island. Then she dumps him. Can they find a happy ending? By MATTHEW WAITE, Times Staff Writer © St. Petersburg Times published February 16, 2002 Mark Detrio spent Valentine's Day at home. Alone. Watching television. It was a tough day for someone who described himself on a Web site as a man who's "got it all. A good job, great family and an awesome sense of humor. I also have a great body and a lot of sex appeal." It was particularly tough because Detrio was watching himself get dumped on national TV. Detrio, a Tampa police officer and Wesley Chapel resident, was one of the unfortunate souls to go on Fox's Temptation Island 2 with a girlfriend and leave without one. His words about having it all were part of his audition, a boast to get on the show. Don't feel sorry for Detrio. Being on the show was his idea. And while the rest of the world was watching Detrio's heart break Thursday night, he's had the five months between the taping and the airing of the show to heal. During that time, he and Kelley Sutphin -- the remorseful dumper -- have been working at getting back together, with the help of Fox-sponsored counseling. "Right now we're getting along better than when we went on the show," Detrio, 31, said. "There's real good hope." Said Sutphin, 29: "We're best friends. We're trying really, really hard. We get along better now than before." The climax of the show is called the final bonfire. Basically, the couples are put together after weeks of temptation from other scantily clad singles in an island paradise and given a choice: Stay together, or go another way. At their final bonfire, Detrio wanted to stay together; Sutphin didn't. Four hours later, all that changed when the couple met with counselors. Sutphin liked what Detrio had to say and began to think that she had made a mistake. Soon after, they were on a plane headed for home, and reconciliation. It all began about this time last year when Detrio signed the couple up for Temptation Island. For 18 days on a Costa Rican island, they were separated and surrounded by cameras, beaches, resort living and members of the opposite sex in swimsuits. "I thought it was going to be more of a party," Detrio said. Not so. During the weeks they were separated, the producers would give the couple videotapes of what the other was doing -- kissing other people, cavorting on the beach, and so forth. Detrio and Sutphin recalled the fear, anger, jealousy and anxiety that started to creep in shortly after they got to the island. The videotapes iced it. "That's when it hits home," Detrio said. "I'm there. There's nothing you can do about it." Fox began airing Temptation Island 2 in the fall, each week showing how each of four couples were behaving on the island. Detrio got a healthy dose of ribbing from his Tampa police colleagues. "I get it every day," he said. The show brought the couple some celebrity. They frequently were recognized by strangers when they went out. Before the season finale, people would see them together and say, "I guess we know how it ends." The couple would just tell them to keep watching. With the last episode airing on Valentine's Day, the couple said they expect the celebrity to fade. Both watched the last episode -- Sutphin called Detrio afterward to talk -- and both said it was difficult. "It was a tearjerker," Sutphin said. Detrio said he "didn't want to relive the emotions. ... That was the worst moment I've been through in a long time." But both say the show was worth the heartache. Sutphin said she has been transformed. Before the show, she said she wouldn't leave Tampa, her home and her family to chase her dreams. She has always wanted to be a makeup artist and is now in Orlando taking classes. "It changed my life," she said. Detrio said he learned more about himself on the island than any other time in his life. It was worth it, "even though I got dumped on national TV," he said. "On Valentine's Day. "I can take it. It's not the end of the world." |
Joan | Thursday, February 21, 2002 - 07:57 pm   Thanks! It is interesting to know they have counselors on hand for afterward. Perhaps that is how Catherine and Edmundo came to their decision. |
Grooch | Friday, February 22, 2002 - 06:01 am   The sad thing is that she is better off without him. It pisses me off the counselors are trying to get them to stay together. I still cannot believe he said that line to her about how she lacks certain qualities, but he'll still keep her.  |
Sunshinemiss | Friday, February 22, 2002 - 04:27 pm   Loved every minute of this sleazy show. It stands as a shining example for a lot of women as to the need to value themselves both in and out of a relationship. Most of these women (IMO) sold themselves short. The problem lies in sticking with a relationship past the point where you know it is not good for you and to GIVE UP the notion of changing your man, or , worse yet, hanging around in the vague hope that he will change all by himself. (Advice I would have liked to have taken in the past BTW). I did hear the rating stunk on this one BUT if they will air that horrid show I flipped past last night (The Gluttony Bowl) perhaps there is hope yet. |
Enbwife | Sunday, February 24, 2002 - 07:10 am   Ditto to everything said here! I was disgusted with Catherine, but not surprised. I could tell she was really needy right from the beginning and would stay with the jerk, no matter what. I also agree it was him that dumped her off camera because he didn't have the guts on tape! I hope Nicole & Tommy are split. They really are disfunctional - it's so sad to watch them together. They deserve better. I loved Marks's talk to Shannon about control. Good one! |
Alaskagal | Monday, February 25, 2002 - 12:23 pm   It's funny because everyone had extreme dislike for Genevieve, because she was very secure and in control of her life. Exactly why she didn't fit in on the show. Not that I was a fan of hers, but I have been reading the post for awhile (this is my first post) and I have agreed so much with alot of it. Watching insecure females makes me sick, because it portrays our whole sex that way. |
Joan | Monday, February 25, 2002 - 02:20 pm   There is a fine line between being confident and in control and being controlling. Shannon and Genevieve were the latter. I'd venture to say that controlling women actually ARE insecure. |
Kitt | Monday, February 25, 2002 - 04:16 pm   I'd agree with Joan, I'm not sure Genevieve was secure at all! Quite the opposite in fact because she just couldn't let the guy make his own decisions for fear of what they might be. I agree about the part about insecure women though! |
Neko | Monday, March 18, 2002 - 03:05 pm   Uuuuhhh...so...who won? |
Sunshinemiss | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 09:27 am   Lol Neko, all losers, no winners. Maybe Kelly for actually losing her 180 lbs of excess baggage, aka Mark. |
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