Daaaaamn! Survivor? What's that?

The ClubHouse: Temptation Island 2 : Daaaaamn! Survivor? What's that?

Joan

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:47 pm Click here to edit this post
I must say, I am a die-hard Survivor fan but TI2 is taking the cake right now!

My hat's off to Grooch for being the one to guess correctly about Genevieve! :)

All I have to say is, Shannon needs a big hard kick in the teeth from Catherine. She has ZERO sensitivity! Here Catherine is, obviously upset and Shannon is grinning through Edmundo's who video and then tells Catherine as she is crying "Well, you did say it was ok..." What a •••••! Then to hide her own video and even make Nikkole back further away once she had already moved was even colder! I can understand that she wanted to form her own opinion about the video but that could have been accomplished by asking the other girls not to comment on it or something more tactful. Watching her laugh it up and say how great John was while Catherine was devastated was too cruel. Then she has to add insult to injury and tell the 2 girls whose bf's did do something bad that they were lucky they got to see what they saw. Yeah, easy for her to say while her bf is doing practically nothing! GRRRR! Genevieve is gone and now I hate Shannon! The only thing I liked was her comment to Mark that she didn't believe him when he said he didn't know more than he was saying.

John rocks though. He seems like a decent guy. I had to laugh at Edmundo and Tommy being worried about what their gf's saw. Hell, you should be worried you...you...you male sluts! Didn't Edmundo look guilty in his video to Catherine? I am glad she picked up on it. He said "look into my eyes" and I did and I saw just what she did, NOTHING! Watching Tommy fret over the massage thing was also amusing. I'd be asking "Is that the worst you've got?" If that's all they have to show about Nikkole, he's doing well!

Tony, Tony, Tony. Poor guy. First she drags him to the island, then she proposes to him, then she drags him off the island. Who's wearing the pants here? lol Anyone else notice that he didn't even look at her until the very end? I am guessing he didn't want to screw up what he was going to say or give her a chance to interrupt him. I am surprised they stayed together after she turned down his proposal. And the Vatican? Is he some kind of devout Catholic or were they just sightseeing? I wonder. That wouldn't mesh well with her being "fixed."

I can't wait until next week. Wow. If Catherine stays with Edmundo, she has no self respect at all but I think she does. I liked her comment about how the single girls were not "classy." She is growing on me big time. :)

Sawheel17

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:13 pm Click here to edit this post
You got it Joan. Shannon seems so smarmy.I think she'a a Genivieve wanta be. I wish John could through alittle twistin there. Edmundo and Tommy make me sick. I hope the girls dump them. Catherine and Nikkole both can do better.

Muse

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 10:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Shannon's smiling at bonfire didn't really bother me. It seemed like she was shocked, and wasn't sure how to react. She's smiled at other inappropriate times (like when she's nervous), so I don't think she meant to be mean. I did, however, think her "you can't watch my video" stuff was stupid (hello - it's going to be aired on TV, so it's not like it's that personal, and they're going to be sitting and watching your reaction anyway). And her trying to justify Edmundo and Tommy's behavior to the other girls seemed like an honest attempt to make them feel better...but she obviously just made it worse. I don't think has any idea how to relate to those two. But for some reason she seems to LOVE Genevieve, which is just scary. :)

Anyway - I'll be really disappointed in Catherine if she doesn't dump Edmundo at the end of the show. He's just disgusting. "Innocent fun"? Is that what it is?? And I'm thinking that Nikkole has already mentally dumped Tommy, so I'm hoping that he decides he wants to stay with her, and that she turns him down.

Genevieve - blech. I don't like her. Her proposal seemed really awkward, and pretty inappropriate. And I don't think that she ever doubted that Tony wouldn't say yes - she controls him 100%. It's pretty sad (especially considering the fact that her personality was apparently such a turn-off to the single men - Tony should be able to do better), but whatever. He's so passive that maybe he needs someone like her to help him in life.

Anyone here ever watch Love Cruise? If so, did you know that Nikkole is good friends with Toni (bug-eyed screaming girl)? I found that interesting. I HATED Toni, but Nikkole seems pretty nice.

Kizz

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 04:43 am Click here to edit this post
I thought it was pretty stupid that they were calling the single girls prostitutes, excuse me, that's TEMPTRESSES to you. They are doing what they were put on the show to do!! And it was your idea to come here...its not the girls fault that Tommy and Edmundo have no self control. "Innocent fun"...I love listening to men trying to rationalize their bad behavior!!

Fruitbat

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 04:46 am Click here to edit this post
It is clear to me that they rehearsed (seperately) the final scene with Gen and Tony. And they do this with all the others at the end, as well.

Gen and Tony were missing most of the day.

There is a format. Serious, ambiguous talking about feelings and insights first THEN proclaim your love for your partner. They want the tension and create the 'possibility' that there will be a shocker.

The only player I like is Nikkole. She is strong, bright and sincere. I would love to see her with someone else. Not necessarily from the show but in her life down the line.

Katherine and Edmundo are doomed. She will know he slept with Hilary, I assume. But I still wonder if we will see a break up at the final bonfire. Just seems to me that the couples will want to talk more after the show ends. We could see Edmundo saying that he came to explore other possibilities, did it, and now see that Kathrine is the one for him.

Resortgirl

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 06:22 am Click here to edit this post
For some reason they put NBA basketball on the channel that carries Temptation Island here so I missed it! ARG! Can anyone do a recap for me? I would sooooo appreciate it! Thanks!

Moondance

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 07:00 am Click here to edit this post
Bat... Tony wasn't missing during the day... just Gen... so that tape was done then is what I suspect... her original one was prop just her saying she wanted to leave... the show said nope not unless you can give us some ratings so she taped the proposal tape during the day.

Realfan

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:01 am Click here to edit this post
Kizz, I think of the girls who were giving the lap dances as not much better than prostitutes, too--or at least strippers. The singles are probably PAID to be on that island, and if not in cash, they're certainly paid in a free vacation and publicity being on TV. I completely agree with Catherine and Nikkole's assessments of those particular girls lacking class with their skank behavior. Besides, girls can be tempting without acting like professional strippers/whores. Look at Edmundo--the girl he finally has sex with ISN'T the one who was giving him the lap dance (in fact she was upset by it.)

ITA it's not JUST the girls' faults, but C and N weren't just blaming the girls, either. They were blaming their men just as much. I don't think Catherine had any idea Edmundo would behave with so little consideration toward her (knowing this would be on TV!). Clearly she was deeply shocked.

I really felt for Catherine (and Nikkole, too). This almost makes me glad, though, if it results in her dumping Edmundo. She needed to see his real stripes before they became any more committed to each other.

Carigsby

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 11:20 am Click here to edit this post
Realfan - "Besides, girls can be tempting without acting like professional strippers/whores."

The single that all of the guys were crazy about last year was the girl-next-door type.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:17 pm Click here to edit this post
Lst year, the girls really seem to enjoy the dancing/stripping the single guys did on the beach. I don't remember too many (ok, any) comments last year saying that was not appropriate.

Grooch

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Lance, I don't remember any of the girls getting lap dances from the single guys.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:40 pm Click here to edit this post
No, they didn't get in their laps, although most removed ALL clothing. I think that qualifies as the "stripper" issue mentioned above?

Grooch

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:50 pm Click here to edit this post
I'm really not sure what the issue is.

All I know is if I was stupid enough to go on the show in the first place, I couldn't get upset if the girls stripped. But getting lapdances is a total nother story.

On TI, I would have to think looking is allowed, but no touching.

But I would never go on TI.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:04 pm Click here to edit this post
The women are upset this year. I didn't see last season but they were different people so there is that, too.

The necking and lap dance is different than stripping. I think the physical contact has them worried. Seems too intimate for them.

I have no idea how I would react. Going on this show is on the bottom of my list right above dying.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:09 pm Click here to edit this post
Bat wrote:

<I have no idea how I would react. Going on this show is on the bottom of my list right above dying.>

That about says it all!

Britchick

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:23 pm Click here to edit this post
Yep, I'll co-sign that Fruitbat!

Madelane

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Man, do I love this show. It is SO funny. I really had to crack up when Shannon laughed at Bonfire, because I was laughing too. Then she and I both realized at the same time how insensitive it was and felt bad. It wasn't funny but at the same time it was hilarious. Catherine MUST dump Edmundo, he is being such a sleaze. I loved the preview for next week, with Tommy tiptoeing out of the room like that.

When Tony was watching the proposal, I was like, "Run!"

Do you think they'll show Catherine Edmundo having sex?

Also, does it drive you crazy how long they drag everything out? WIth the slo-mo and the drama music? Everything that took place in last night's episode could have been done in 20 minutes.

Dahli

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 03:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Madelane - you are soo0000 right, that slo-mo music deal is so annoying, I yelled at the TV - 'allright allready enough!'

I'ts as though they are trying to do the old soap opera cliffhanger commercial break thing too, very very cheezy...

Resortgirl

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 03:12 pm Click here to edit this post
C'mon someone fill me in!!!! Pretty please??

Britchick

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 03:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay, this is a really brief overview Resortgirl - maybe someone else will remember more and write a more detailed one.
Basically the whole episode was about the videos - first of all they had all had the chance to make a one minute video message for their partners so they went up one by one to see if they had a message. John and Shannon sent nice messages to each other, Tommy didn't send one to Nikkole (which bothered her) but she sent a nice one to him and after watching it he said "I'm sure she knows I love her" but she didn't seem to be so sure. Genevieve sent a loving message to Eduardo about missing him etc but he sent her a message that was a bit disturbing for her. He said "look into my eyes and you'll see how I feel" or something and then "te amo" at the end, but she felt that when she looked into his eyes he looked sad [have to agree that he was particularly wooden and unconvincing so I'm not surprised she's worried]. She said it really disturbed and upset her.
Then when John went to get his message they told him "due to the nature of the content" he couldn't see it until later and when Genevieve went to get her's, Mark was there and said "you've requested a meeting so come on, you've got what you asked for". She disappeared with him all day and the girls were wondering where she was and what was going on. Shannon was particularly worried as they have bonded so well and she doesn't know how it would be without Genevieve.
Right, I'll post this then write the next half... Hoping someone will help me out here!

Kitt

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 03:51 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok Resortgirl...

They got to view the tapes the others sent them at the end of the last bonfire.

Edmundo's said Catherine should look in his eyes and see how he really feels, to Catherine (and me) he looked sad. Catherine's message to him said she loved him etc.

Shannon and John both said they loved and missed each other.

Nikkole left Tommy a message saying she loved and missed him, Tommy did not leave Nikkole one, she worried why.

"Due to the nature" of Genevieve's message to Tony he couldn't see hers until a more appropriate time. He wsn't told any more details than that and spent the rest of the day worrying what it meant. When Genevieve went to see Tony's tape the host grabbed her and they went to a meeting (which we didn't see). She didn't return to the other girls.

Not much from day's activities (or if there was, I don't remember it).

Bonfire time... The three women were told they'd find out about Genevieve at a later time. Catherine chose to see highlights of Edmundo's day. They showed him having the lapdance from the ermmm...biker chick one. She was upset, said he looked a fool, it wasn't like him, etc. She was really hurt. Shannon remarked that she'd given permission, Catherine said she did NOT give him permission to kiss another girl's breasts.

Shannon saw John dancing in a silly way, nothing going on. She was happy. She didn't let the others see her tape.

Nikkole saw Tommy having the lap dance from another girl, the same girl who had said she liked him in the previous tape. She was not amused, said she knew it was going to be bad and was only going to get worse.

Men: Tommy saw Nikkole being massaged, said he didn't like it (such a hypocrit imho after what she'd have to see him do!). Ditto with Edmundo and Catherine, although Edmundo did remark that he was more nervous about what she'd get to see.

John chose not to see the tape of Shannon, he said if something had happened he'd rather she tell him than he see it out of context.

Tony was told to stay behind, the others left. He was allowed to see Genevieve's tape. She said something like when he'd proposed to her, marriage seemed such a final thing she couldn't cope with the idea. Then when the chance appeared to come on the show she took it. It only took her a few days to realise that she'd been a fool, and that she had taken Tony for granted. She said she'd never take him for granted again, and would he marry her. He asked to see her in person to reply... he said that he'd also realised that he wanted his relationship with her to be his number one priority. After hearing what she said in her tape he felt even more certain they were meant to be together, and yes, he'd marry her. Awww. It was actually quite sweet (even though I don't like Genevieve). They leave the show.

Clips from next week: A new couple arrive, looks like they get a lot of attention from the singles immediately. That girl who likes Edmundo comes into his room, asks what he's doing in the bathroom... he says "brushing his teeth naked", she enters the bathroom! Tommy comes into the bedroom part of their hut... looks through the hold in the bathroom door, looks shocked and runs out!

Britchick

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 03:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay, so there was some stuff of John looking really concerned about the mysterious message and talking about it with the other guys (and single girls). He looked very worried and said he was worried for Genevieve's well-being and just couldn't understand what was going on.

Bonfire: the girls were first. Genevieve still wasn't there but Mark didn't explain why. They could see videos that would show them some of what life was like in the men's resort. Their choice wouldn't affect the guys' choices, they were free agents. All the girls said they wanted to see the video.
Catherine went first and this is the video everyone has been talking about in this thread. It was the lap-dancing that we saw a bit of last week but with a bit more detail - Edmundo kissing the girl all over then Hilary coming over and kissing him on the neck and mouth with the first girl still on his lap. Very unpleasant to watch - and he wasn't even my boyfriend! Catherine was understandably upset and angry. She said it wasn't her Edmundo, that he didn't behave that way, it wasn't the man she knew, she couldn't believe the way the girls were behaving. Shannon said something about "you said kissing was okay right" and Catherine said "no, I did not say that". Very upset.
Shannon went next, saying "there's reality and context and they are two different things" or something to try and make Catherine feel better. Then she said she didn't want to let the other 2 see her video and asked Nikkole to move away. In fact, John's video was tame in comparison. Just him dancing with a load of girls, putting on groovy shades. Shannon was laughing and said it was fine, just Johnny being Johnny, he was a rock star and that's what he was doing.
Then, Nikkole who was saying that her's would definitely be the worst. It was the same lap-dancing scene as before but the girl on Tommy's lap had her legs over his shoulders (sorry to be a bit graphic but the tapes were more graphic than I am being here!) and Nikkole spotted right away that it was the same girl that he had been on a date with. She was also very upset and angry. She (and Catherine I think) referred to the girls as prostitutes. There was more talk along these lines (Nikkole looked resigned to the fact that Tommy is a waste of space but that's just my opinion). She said something about him never having appreciated her and their relationship. On the way back from bonfire you could hear Shannon going for the Miss Sensitivity 2001 award, saying if you go to any club in Vegas you'll see exactly the same thing but Nikkole and Catherine replied that in Vegas, the guys aren't living in a tropical resort with the strippers or something along those lines.

Phew, getting tired again. Basically, the boys' bonfire was dull. John chose not to see the video. Tommy and Edmundo (who I think I have been also callingn Eduardo for some reason!) saw the same evening: when the single men made a kind of oriental massage parlour for the girls and they were sitting there getting their hands/feet/necks massaged. Nothing very serious at all though Tommy acted very outraged: "they are touching my woman, that's hard to watch" or something. Hm. He should put himself in his girlfriend's shoes. [Sorry, I'm getting more and more opinionated here!]. Then Eduardo, the same thing though he admitted that he was more worried about what Catherine was going to see.
Oops, forgot that at the beginning there was a bit with Edmundo and Hilary doing individual interviews to camera saying how much they like each other. It showed them waking up together in the morning - it looked like they had slept facing each other (fully clothed) all night.
Then the other guys had to leave while Tony stayed behind to view Genevieve's video.
Posting this and be back shortly with the final installment!

Britchick

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 04:00 pm Click here to edit this post
Oh, great! Kitt has helped me out so I don't have to do the whole Tony/Genevieve proposal thing. The clips from next week looked good - the new couple are being hyped up as super sexy and all the singles are apparently excited about them. Shannon is sad about Genevieve going while Nikkole goes out to all the guys and says "Genevieve and Tony are officially gone" and they all whoop and cheer, lol!
The scene with Edmundo and Hilary is pretty unambiguous - from the sounds they are having sex. The voiceover says something about them taking it "to another level" or something. Poor Catherine.

Britchick

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 04:01 pm Click here to edit this post
Ha! Just laughing at myself after re-reading my comment at the very beginning "this will just be a brief overview". Ha ha!

Kitt

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 04:10 pm Click here to edit this post
I think the three couples that are left are going to get jealous over the attention given to the new couple, could be some interesting dynamics.

P.S. OK I admit it, I said I wasn't going to watch this show as I didn't like the idea of it... but I'm hooked!

Madelane

Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 07:35 pm Click here to edit this post
Where is everybody today? You can't have already recovered from the last episode. I need to talk more about Genevieve's crazy eyes.

Moondance

Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 10:04 pm Click here to edit this post
LOL... they are a bit intense!

Muse

Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 01:48 am Click here to edit this post
Her eyes scared me. And that girl has some jaw, too.

I bet the new couple is attractive, but not as sexy as the previews are making them out to be...I'm thinking that the singles are just excited to see fresh meat.

Grooch

Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 09:33 am Click here to edit this post
I agree. They all looked pretty happy when Nikkole told them Gen left. They were like, now we can have some fun!

Joan

Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 10:23 pm Click here to edit this post
Did anyone see that Genevieve won a Hawaiian Tropic Bikini contest in '99?? Tony talks about it on the TI2 site at Fox.com

Mssilhouette

Monday, December 10, 2001 - 01:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay I finally watched the last episode of TI2. It was the first one I've watched since TI2 came on. I did watch the TI1.

First off, I must say ENOUGH WITH THE DRAMA ALREADY. If that was the most annoying factor with the freaking videos and perfectly timed commercial breaks. I thought she was going to tell him that she was having a baby.

Remember I know nothing about these 4 couples as this was my first time watching a TI2 show.

The girl who's boyfriend had the Temptress humping his leg on the video and who motioned foir said Temptress to straddle his NECK was the most painful moment ever show on TV.

Wow you could almost feel the pain through the screen. But she had a feeling about what he was going to do but she was still extremely hurt but she's a strong woman.


The girl who's boyfriend was lapping on another Temptress's breasts...I thought she was really trying unsuccessfully to show that it didn't effect her. Which of course had the opposite effect.

Personal clue to her: If you take your man on a show with other women who are going to throw themselves at him then DO NOT condem the temptress. YOU brought him there.

The annoying blonde girl who did not just smile at Proud girl's pain she LAUGHED. Proably won't get any just desserts because she and her boyfriend aren't really that solid of a couple. They seem more like friends who came on TV to have a good time. Not to test the relationship.


As for the girl who took the cowards way out....C'mon now. Who votes for that marriage to last. I'm all for people being in love and wanting to stay together.

But if that didn't look like the most SET UP, PHONEY, 2BIT DRAMA CLUB scene then pigs can fly.
I'm sorry but his whole speech seemed contrived and over practiced. As did the whole set up.

I didn't buy it...It seemed like both of them were reading a scene for an audition. He was trying to give us the old 'You Complete Me" speech. And she was giving us the girl version of the same thing.

I'm sorry but if my boyfriend had that serious look of on his face after I asked him to marry me that would have stopped me from grinning like an idiot while he was talking.

I don't know if I'll watch to see what new crap they introduce but as for right now it seems like I'm looking at the waiting room at a talent agency.

Realfan

Monday, December 10, 2001 - 01:44 pm Click here to edit this post
<<The scene with Edmundo and Hilary is pretty unambiguous - from the sounds they are having sex. The voiceover says something about them taking it "to another level" or something. Poor Catherine. >>

It was even worse. The announcer said something like, "their carnal lust is unleashed." Owee!

Neko

Friday, January 18, 2002 - 05:44 pm Click here to edit this post
No offense to you guys, but I think every single one of those couples are crazy to go on that show. Obviously they thought they could do better than what they already had or they didn't even LOVE the person they were with.

If I had a boyfriend, I sure as hell wouldn't take him onto this show to find out weither him and I are meant to be, so the nation could see.I know the point of it is to see if you can be faithful to your partner but would you be surround by 16 guys(?) for a month(?) in real life. Nope. I just don't understand it..

Whooops?!I think I got a bit carried away. I watchd the first TI1 and laughed the whole way through it and I watched the first episode of TI2 and realized that it would be just as funny to me so....
Sorry if I pissed you off, but there wasn't any other place to do it

Joan

Friday, January 18, 2002 - 06:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Why would be pissed off? Most of us totally agree! hehe