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Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 03:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Haven't got my magical spinning dart board up yet, so I'm still relying on spoilers right now (LOL).

Quite a discussion overnight on the web about where the Bungee jump takes place. "It is an Esprit, and there are only 5 of them...blah, blah, blah". "The meters are this high, and that high, and so high"......a bunch of stuff I can't remember.......and a few shots of the places. But, it all narrows down to this statement:

"Yep, most definitely, it's the Danube Tower in Vienna, Austria."

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 04:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
asthma

Here is the picture of Millie having her asthma attack. You see Chuck to her right assisting her. You see Josh (of Josh/Steve) and Al (of Al/Jon) watching with concern.

"they find solace when another Team opts to help them rather than continue on." My guess is that it is Josh/Steve that stay to help the couple out since they are in an alliance.......but then I've been wrong before........many, many, many times before (LOL).

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 04:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Duh ... The next picture tells a different story. I've captured underneath the picture what the person said who furnished the picture.
asthma2
4. Same location. Millie has removed her sweatshirt. Al is still there, but it seems Josh is missing.
The clowns are the team that stays behind to make sure she's OK.

Now.......I have to agree that it does look that way at first glance from this picture, but who is not to say that Josh hasn't just stepped out of the picture to talk with his Dad Steve about staying and helping and catching a later train with Millie/Chuck. We know from the promo write-up that Millie/Chuck have to take a later train.
"Millie's asthma attack puts her and Chuck a train behind."

I still think it is Josh and Steve.....and that this picture is a mislead by CBS .... but don't let me influence you (hehehehehe).

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 04:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay..........here we go regarding the Millie/Chip incident.

mc1
Millie and Chip race to pull the tag off a horse-drawn carriage. Notice there is another carriage on the right. Since the two of them are alone, this could be a roadblock.???

mc2
Chip muscles Millie out of the way.

mc3
Chip pulls the tag on the door.

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Millie declares Chip a jerk. Notice this is a different carriage.

mc5
Chip's bloody nose.

Chip
Poor, Poor Chip!!!

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 05:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last of my pictures: Bungee Jumping

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This is a shot of the place they do the jumping from. Has been identified as Esprit in Vienna, Astria on another website. I haven't a clue, so I'll go along with that.

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Tian jumping with what appears to be a camera pack on her back.
Also, comes to mind........does everybody jump, or is this a roadblock? If this is a roadblock, how come Chuck and Reichen weren't around during the confrontation with Millie and Chip? My question, can you have moe than one roadblock in an Episode???

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Tian screaming her lungs out (LOL)

Cjr

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great pictures Alaginger! Especially the one of poor, poor Chip LOL!

Thanks for everything you are doing on TAR this year!

A big cheer for ALAGINGER! pic

Not1worry

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it makes sense that the Millie/Chip incident is a roadblock. R & C are in 2nd place, and I think their confidence is strong. It would have to be some really bad traveling to make them need to do a FF. M & C are 8th, so they may be more likely to do a FF, but I think everyone hit the mat so close together that the standings don't mean as much next week.

I wonder if Millie's asthma attack comes after the run-in with Chip at the roadblock. At that point the opportunity for the FF would already be pretty far past, although not impossible.

I want to continue to think the worst of Josh, till he proves me otherwise (although I still kinda like him for that), so I'm feeling that Jon/Al help Millie with the asthma. They haven't shown the keep-racing-at-all-costs-so-what-if-the-other-team-is-dying attitude as many others have.

Just my meager thoughts on all that.

Hippyt

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great job,just what I wanted to see! and,no only one road block per episode.

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for all the kind words guys. It does take a little while to find this stuff, download it and rework it (sometimes) to fit this board.....but I really enjoy doing it. The good news is that I'm going to be on vacation 6/21 through 6/28 (my sister and I are going to go do a girls-at-the-beach-shopping-eating-scrapbooking-reading-talking-thing). The bad news is, I will not be here to capture pictures......but there are a lot of other "Good Buddies" out there, and I think somebody will step in!!!

Not1worry The promo write-up reads this way --- Millie's asthma attack puts her and Chuck a train behind. But she isn't about to be pushed around by Chip. This makes me believe that the asthma attack is first, the train ride is second with M/C behind everybody else by one train, and the carriage incident is later.

Also, if the Millie/Chip incident is the roadblock, that means everybody will have to do the Bungee Jumping except the team that took the FF ........ or some alternate challenge they choose, right? I'm assuming the alternate challenge usually takes longer and that is the negative for taking the alternate???

Hippyt

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 12:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right. The alternate challenge is always longer,but not as scary.

Hippyt

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL,I was just thinking maybe Chip will learn a lesson about blocking doors this week!

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read something on another thread that absolutely made me laugh out loud. It said something about Reichen and Chip blocking the doors to a closed train station, where once the train station opened everybody was going to get on the train anyway.........so I thought that was quite comical. Such a wasted effort and all they really managed to do was further alienate themselves from the rest of the group.

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay......I need a little help here. Over at the CBS Website, in the write-up about that previous episode, there are always little links to small video segments that were either seen on the show or happened during the show but weren't telecast. That's where I found the one where the alliance of 5 teams were committing to each other during the first Episode.

Yesterday and today there are some links from last weeks show, and two of them caught my eye as possibley having something in it that we would like to know. One is entitled "Alliances" and the other is entitled "Teams Beg For Money".

For some reason I have been blocked out both days from viewing these and both come up with the same message.....file is outdated, or technical difficulty, or something like that. I do not have a membership to REAL Player, but usually watch these through the CBS website to pick up on clues. If anybody here has a membership to REAL Player, see if you can get in there and see what that is all about.

Draheid

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alaginger: I am having the same results with all 3 videos, the two you mention plus the 'Amand & Chris Parting Words' video. The videos for Episode 1 are playing fine though. It's possible CBS and/or Real have not loaded the files onto the server or maybe they named them differently accidentally?

Sorry I wasn't able to help more.

Alaginger

Saturday, June 07, 2003 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But you did help Draheid. You let me know that if isn't just me. Once those are working (if ever), I will be curious to see if it gives us any more insight into alliances or money$$$$, that we don't already know.

Also, Draheid....I remember your name from Big Brother.......and I put a really neat item in a Jason Guy thread today.

Alaginger

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 06:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Magic_Star at another site, revisited all the episodes he/she has tapes of from TAR2 to TAR4 to do an analysis of how many times the eliminated team was actually shown in the video promo. The article is lengthy, so I'll just post the results here and at the bottom give you the link if you want to go see the whole thing. This person does not count the first episode of each show nor any episode where there were "No Eliminations". And, also didn't count the shows where every team left standing was shown in the video promo.

TAR 2 --- the results were 5 to 1 that the eliminated team WAS shown in the video promo.
TAR 3 --- results were 5 to 2 --- WAS
TAR 4 --- results were 1 to 0 --- WAS
Chris/Amanda were shown on snowraft.

End result is 11 to 3 ... favors eliminated is shown in video promo (whether in a negative or a positive way). And if you count the ones where everybody is shown in the video promo, that even increases the odds that the eliminated is shown.

http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID37/513.shtml

Juju2bigdog

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alaginger, I am really enjoying all your hard work and brilliant analysis.

Tess

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger, you are amazing as always. Thank you so much for all of your sleuthing, not just for TAR but for the other shows you've done as well.

Alaginger

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys are very welcomed!!! I just wish I could make all the right picks myself, but TAR is very, very, very hard to spoil due to the "nature of the beast".....

Pamy

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alaginger, you truly are making this years race more fun!!! Thanks!!!!

Alaginger

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 05:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay........been gone this afternoon to a fish-fry, came home and here is some more stuff I've found over at TheAmericanRaceSucks.com.

bus3
This is a picture of a Vienna street car (strassenbahn):

bus4
Looks pretty close to this picture:

Info on Viennese horse drawn carriages:
Vienna's Fiakers, or horse-drawn carriages, have transported people around the Inner City for some 300 years. You can clip-clop along for about 30 minutes at a cost of 45€, 70€ for 1 hour. Exact prices and the length of the ride must be negotiated in advance. In the 1st District, you'll find a Fiaker for hire on the north side of St. Stephan's, on Heldenplatz near the Hofburg, and in front of the Albertina on Augustinerstrasse.

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Note the white trim on the doors which is identical to that on the TARS carriages.
This sounds like the kind of local tradition stuff that the show likes to feature.
They are definitely in Vienna for the bungee jumping and the carriages.

Ginger: This tells me that Millie had her attack before getting to Vienna, and she and Chuck were a train behind the others getting there. Somehow they caught up with Reichein and Chip and here's picture from the New York Times today showing them racing in Vienna (fora the coveted prize???).
mc6

Since the picture shows all 4 of them, this is not the Roadblock........so the Bungee Jumping is probably the Roadblock.

So, my question is....if the coveted prize is the FF, why would Chip and Reichen need it at this point unless something happened to put them way behind. Or maybe, CBS, is calling the envelope with directions a coveted prize or the carriage to get them where they are going a coveted prize. Some of the puzzle is solved, but not all of it........veeerrryyyy interestinkkkk!!!

Hippyt

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well,that is weird. They are obviously talking about this part of the race,with the carriages.'Coveted prize' is a weird way to describe the FF,though. And why would Millie get in the carriage after Chip grabs the flag?Ya know,as lame as some of their promos are,it wouldn't surprise me that they are refering to the money at the END of the race!

Not1worry

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There's 4 possible activies in each episode, right? FF, detour (only one person can do this) and roadblock with 2 choices (both teammates do).

Just trying to think of all the possibilites of what these parts we've seen are.

The carriage can't be a detour, since we see both teammates. That leaves FF or roadblock.

The bungee jumping may be any of these.

This isn't really helping me figure anything out, now I see why I got a D in Basic Reasoning 101 in college.

Alaginger

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay guys.......I'm a novice, but I think I see something in both responses to address:

Hippy .... Somewhere up above, earlier on this page in another post, there is a picture of Millie in a carriage, but the picture-taker said it was a different carriage than the one Chip is grabbing the envelope from. So, I think that means Chip got the envelope and he and Reichen got that carriage and Chuck and Millie had to catch another carriage (oh, and there was another one close by in that picture up above).

Not1worry ... I think you have detour and roadblock backwards. In the last Episode the Masquerade was a roadblock and only one member of each team could play. Go over in the General Discussion thread and look at the Glossary I uploaded from CBS and see if that helps you keep straight. I'm going over there right now, because I can't keep it straight either. (LOL)

Alaginger

Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Episode 3 Commercial Previews"
LAST EDITED ON 06-08-03 AT 10:20 PM (EST)
There are two commercial previews and a special golf preview.

First the short one...


Commercial One
Announcer: "Some Amazing Race teams fight for position...

Picture of Reichen/Chip and Millie/Chuck running on the streets. Chip grabs the clue from the carriage.

...but the Models fight with each other."

Jaree to Tian: "Do me a favor and shut up."
They're on a train with Kelly/Jon. Jaree sits by Kelly, Tian sits by Jon.

*Possible Miami Alliance?, I think this is the new one that's going to form, mentioned in the press release.*

Jon/Al: Singing

Male in light blue shirt, tan pants doing bungee jump.

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Next, the long one...


Commercial Two
Announcer: "The Amazing Race is on."
Picture of Reichen/Chip and Millie/Chuck running to a clue box.
*This was most likely before the carriage run*

Announcer: "As the teams jockey for position, Millie/Chuck fight for their place...

Picture of Chip grabbing clue from carriage.
Millie says, "I wasn't even going to touch you until you slammed my head back," to Chip.
*There's the title quote, It's Millie!.*

...Announcer continued: While the Models fight with each other."
*Same thing as the last preview, Jaree tells Tian to shut up, they're sitting with Jon/Kelly.*

Announcer: "Bungee jumping could stop some teams in their tracks."
Jon(the one with Kelly) does the bungee jump backwards.
*This was the special way, jumping backwards*
Tian jumps.

Announcer: "Which NFL Wife will take the leap of faith?"
*Bungee jumping is the Roadblock!*
One of them is on the tower, she says "Was one thing I didn't want to do."

Announcer: "The Air-Traffic Controllers are losing their way."
Steve/Dave: "We got off at the wrong train station.

Announcer: "Why are the Circus Clowns singing?"
Jon/Al: Singing


And finally, the golf preview...


Golf Preview
Announcer: "For most teams, bungee jumping is a terrifying challenge...

Either Monica/Sheree with scared face on tower.

Jon jumps down backwards.

Millie coughing in the bungee tower.
*Maybe throwing up? Maybe having another asthma attack? I don't know why Chuck didn't do it.*

...Announcer: But for the Circus Clowns in the competition, they're kind of used to being blasted out of a cannon, it's just another day at the office."

Picture of Jon or Al doing bungee jump.

Millie/Chuck and Reichen/Chip run towards clue box.
Tian/Jaree and Kelly/Jon in train.
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That is all.