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Kappy

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ugh ~ Is anyone else besides me really sick of Kelly's need to put down other teams for no reason? It probably means she is going to win the whole race simply because I think she's a catty self-centered brat, lol! I can't wait until she and Jon end up at the back of the line again just to put her in her place.

And if Chuck was protective of Millie at the reunion party (as someone was said to have heard somewhere), I can understand why. I could just see Kelly seeking Millie out just to torment her. Kelly reminds me of an 11 year old bully on the playground. Millie and Chuck might have issues but in real life, I'd much rather be around them then Kelly.

Muse

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 12:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ITA, Kappy. Even if Millie wasn't super friendly to Kelly, Kelly has far exceeded anything offensive Millie might have done by being so insulting and rude. I noticed that she's resorted to insulting the way Millie and Chuck look. Pretty immature. And if that's her primary complaint now, her bitterness is hardly justified. I also think Millie and Chuck are both better looking than Kelly and Jon, but whatever. By the way -- does it annoy anyone else how Kelly constantly screams things? Whether she's annoyed or excited, she screams. Without the "we're the wives of professional athletes" to bug me (yay -- the Supremes stopped saying that!), I found myself getting annoyed by Kelly's shrieking this week. I don't think she's even that upset most of the time when she does it. It's strange.

Anyway, Millie and Chuck are reminding me vaguely of Flo and Zach lately. Chuck seems rather passive, and Millie needs to ease up a bit. Chuck's not as good of a racer as Zach and Millie's not nearly as annoying as Flo, however. So I'm hoping they'll both change and compromise, because I still like them. Kind of. :)

I'm just really rooting for Jon and Al right now. Some of the other teams are okay, but they're the only ones I really like. Of course, liking only one team makes my chances of being disappointed by the ultimate winners fairly good. *sigh*

Kappy

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's amazing how my allegiances change from week to week. And I need to remind myself that alot of that could be due to editing. I couldn't stand Millie and Chuck in the beginning but now, watching them try to work things out together has made me a little more sympathetic towards them. Actually, I think it was from being so irritated with Kelly's behavior that made me sympathetic. But as I said, I need to remember that editing has alot to do with what we see and how we perceive them.

And yes, Al and Jon are great! I'm even liking David and Jeff (WHO?) more, lol.

Not1worry

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kappy, I had the same thought this week. The teams I really liked a few weeks ago are irritating me. I hated Monica and Sheree the first 2 weeks and now I can tolerate them. My thoughts on Tian and Jaree change from one scene to the next. One minute I'm cheering them on and the next I wish they'd just disappear.

Only Jon/Al and David/Jeff haven't changed my opinion. Still adore the clowns, still could care less about the other 2.

Csnog

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From Fans of Reality web site.

This afternoon, I had the great pleasure of speaking with the two funniest guys on The Amazing Race 4 (yes, funnier than Jon & Al), Steve & Dave, air traffic controllers from Chicago, and the latest victims of having BOTH been eliminated from the race. Here's what they had to say:

What's the story with the knee?

Dave: It's still attached. I should probably go have it looked at, but I'm afraid of what the doctor's going to say. It's fine. Well, it's not fine - it sucks.

Steve: He never really recovered.

Was it hurt in the first leg, or is it an old injury?

Dave: I actually had torn the cartilage in the knee several years ago, and didn't think it was that bad. But when we came down that mountain, I put my foot down into someone else's tracks, and went right through the snow and ended up sitting on my knee. It was not pretty, I could hardly walk after that. I did it 3 or 4 times coming down that hill. Thankfully, Steve dug the trenches in the snow on the way after that.

Steve: He was a hair's breadth away from calling it quits because he was in such pain. They didn't show the wincing and crying because of the pain.

Dave: Crying? That wasn't pain, I missed my wife.

Steve: Search and rescue was right next to us the whole time, and at one point, Dave said he needed to quit, but in the next breath he said "no, I'm not letting my partner down." But it was pretty bad. He never had a chance to recover.

Dave: It wasn't feeling too bad, but coming back up the hill after that rappel, it screwed it all up again.

Steve: Yeah, they didn't show what a brutal climb that was. There were places with ropes you had to pull yourself back up. It took us about an hour and half to get up that hill.

You seemed to have some pretty bad luck - wrong trains, traffic jams, etc. How big a part do you think luck plays in the race?

Dave: I think there's a lot of luck involved, and I say that just by the nature of the way the race is set up. There's a lot of bunching, and choosing the train as opposed to the cab can make the difference. If we had been able to find a faster means of transportation frmo Orley to DeGaulle, we would still be in the race.

Steve: I think the wrong train in Venice, though - we left Venice to get away from the teams. We knew there was no way to get Vienna in time to do the task that night. So we just wanted to leave Venice to avoid being part of the bunching.

Dave: When we arrived at the train station, it was closed. There were no ticket windows open, and the only people around were itinerants. Steve found a guy who he thought spoke English, but to this day I say he couldn't. The guy told him that he thought he'd seen trains leaving from Padua to Vienna, so we took the train. When we got there, we realized that it was a mistake, and that trains were lucky if they even blew their whistle as they ran through Padua.

Who came up with "Big Fat Guys", and did it bother you?

Steve: I'm shocked to hear that. We thought it meant "Big Friendly Guys". We knew it didn't mean "Big Fast Guys".

Dave: We thought it might mean "Big Funny Guys", because if it didn't, we were just going to sit on them. I think Kelly came up with that one, though. But it didn't bother us.

Steve: And damn her for that, because it realy got picked up at work.

Dave: Yeah, that's all I've heard for a week at work.

Steve: At the least, they could call us "Mister BFG".

You went with the cheese instead of the manure. Was that the fatal mistake?

Dave: No, what did us in was that we got to the airport in Marseilles, and we were 2.5 hours back at that point. The guy said we had to take a cab to change airports, but we had almost 2 hours for a 35 minute cab ride. So, we had plenty of time. Then we sat as our pilot decided he needed to de-ice the plane. Now, Steve and I are air traffic controllers, we KNOW when a plane needs to be de-iced, and this plane barely had frost on the wings.

Steve: Here's the sweet irony - Steve and Dave lost the Amazing Race due to an airplane delay.

Dave: Even then, when we got to Amsterdam, we were ahead of Dave and Jeff, did the cheese thing, and got stuck in another traffic jam. So, 2 traffic jams and a de-icing delay that day - everything we tried that day to gain ground backfired on us.

Steve: We were flabbergasted how many people dug through crap.

Dave: For us, it was never even a question. We were stunned when we found out that every team but two did the manure task.

You line-jumped in LAX in the first leg with no problem...

Steve: It was our idea. We're going to take the heat off Steve & Josh, we approached them.

Dave: The reason behind that is, we stood in line at the Swissair flight, and Chip & Reichen were counting the number of tickets left, and standing off to the side asking if they could be put on a list, or get tickets. Then the ticket clerk said "everyone will get tickets but you", pointing to us. But they'd mis-counted, and it was our intention only to screw over Chip & Reichen, but we ended up accidentally shafting Monica & Sheree.

Steve: They were very cool about it, by the way. They just approached us later and said "we wish you'd have told us what you were doing, so we could have gotten to KLM sooner." It just backfired on them, but what can you do?

Having jumped in line...

Steve: Wait, how do we get from "a clever move", to "you line-jumping ••••••••"?

Okay, having made a clever move, let's jump to Marseilles on the dock, and talk about the infamous line that didn't win you any fans.

Dave: I'm going to use a word that gets overused quite a bit: editing. There were two things that were said there, and I'm not going to say they were taken out of context, because we can't deny Steve said them. But at that point, we thought we were third in line, and C&R and T&J pulled up. Monica and Sheree asked us what should be done, and we all had a confab to decide what we were going to do about it. It all started politely, but it got blown up out of proportion really quickly. We didn't know about the guy telling them to park there at the time. Chip & Reichen moved to the back of the line, and we give them props for that, but with the information we had at the time, we didn't know they'd been there already and left, and it just got out of hand.

Steve: We'd been driving all night, everyone was suffering from lack of sleep. Those were true emotions, but it had escalated before what you saw.

Should we be afraid of air traffic controllers whose signature move is the "near-miss high five?"

Dave: You'd better, by god.

Steve: We were just screwing around until Amsterdam, where the hashish is really cheap, so we really tried to meet up on top that time.

Dave: That's just something Steve and I have done for years.

Steve: Yeah, we tried the chest bumping for a while, until I knocked Dave unconscious that one time, and when he woke up a week later, we tried to think of something less damaging.

Dave, you were involved with Survivor Sucks. Now that you're on the receiving end, has it changed your perspective? And is it better to participate, or discuss it?

Dave: You know, I've had a real revelation. I used to be as bad as some of the people you see on some of these sites, thinking "what were they thinking, those morons!" It's really kind of opened my eyes. During the race, we didn't get along with C&R or T&J, but after the fact, we've stayed in contact with them, and they're very nice people. During the stress of the race, for a million dollars, and they do and say things they might not otherwise say and do. From that aspect, I realize that some of my actions on the web site might have been wrong. I would rather be a part of reality TV than talk about it, but the bottom line is, I probably owe a lot of people from Survivor and TAR a big apology for some of the things I've said about them.

Steve: Ah, screw 'em, they don't know who you are.

So, is it "all about the editing" after all?

Dave: No, it's not, because those things really happened that you see. But you've got 12 teams filing 24 hours a day, and they distill it down to what you see.

Steve: But what about all those times we actually sprinted?

Dave: That's true. There was that time we set the record for the 100-yard dash. But really, editing plays a big part of it.

Speaking of sprinting, is it a good idea to be seen walking around with your hands in your pockets during a "race"?

Steve: Well, Dave missed his wife. Didn't you notice there was movement? That was true emotion, too.

Dave: Haven't you ever heard of pocket pool? No, we were shown that way, but Steve and I are not the most physical guys in the race, that's obvious. We knew that the only way we were going to get through the race was on intellect rather than brawn - and unfortunately my partner let us down in that department. No really, brawn just won out at the end. What can you do?

How did you prepare for the race?

Dave: Lots of chocolate donuts.

Steve: No, Dave quit smoking, and he was smoking 2 and a half packs a day. We didn't want to go and completely embarass ourselves - just partially embarass ourseles.

Dave: Steve lost quite a bit of weight. You can't tell of course, but he did. I quit smoking, and we did quite a lot of walking.

Steve: I did the treadmill a lot, but after I got home, I realized that there's a frickin' ON button! When you press that, the sucker moves!

If you could have packed one thing that you didn't, what would it have been?

Steve: We had everything we needed - if anything, we took too much. We'd have taken about 10 pounds less of stuff.

Then going the other way, what was something you packed that you shouldn't have?

Steve: Shorts. We brought lots of shorts, and we never needed those.

Dave: Too many clothes. I should have cut way back on clothes I brought.

What one piece of advice would you give the next set of racers?

Steve: Pack lighter than you need to.

Dave: And try to keep the perspective that it's just a game. I know you're playing for a million dollars, but it's still just a game.

Steve: The money wasn't a motivating factor for us, but other teams went in with dollar signs in their eyes. And I don't think they enjoyed it as much as we did.

Dave: And another thing that goes hand in hand with that, Steve and I tried to be polite to everyone we met. Be polite, because the locals can help you more than you think they can. You're in their country. Enjoy what you're seeing.

Steve: And this magazine. That's all I need. And this phone. And this dog. And that's all I need.

That's all I have, guys.

Steve: Okay, then it's our turn to interview you. What's up with that CaliGirl? She was a big fan of ours, until we made that snarky comment on Pier 4.

I think a lot of people were turned off by that comment.

Steve: I don't get it - everyone was making bad comments, and that one little line - we never even mentioned slashing. But you know, it worked. We had no idea that they were going to let all the cars on, we thought they might let us in 2 or 3 at a time, and we'd have been screwed. We were last at LeMans, and we managed to be third in line, and we were protective of what we thought was our place.

Dave: And really, if we were in their position, I think we'd have gone right to the back of the line to begin with. I don't think I'd have even gone to the gate in the first place.

I think a lot of the reason is that you were the favorite until that point, and it showed a little "snarkiness" that they hadn't seen before.

Dave: I'm going to write some of that off to weariness. Steve is 6' 5", and I'm 6' 3", and we were REALLY uncomfortable sleeping in the car. And we weren't alone. Even the ones that went to a hotel didn't get a whole lot of sleep. You get a lot of tired people in a stressful situation, and emotions come out.

Seamonkey

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I already commented on this interview over in their thread..

I had this great insight tho..

All the Steves are gone
and the sky is gray
Better to be Jon
on the Amazing Race

(sung drunkenly to the tune of California Dreamin')

Lslb

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Seamonkey! :)

Csnog

Monday, July 07, 2003 - 04:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
An interview from Fans of Reality.

This afternoon, I finally got the chance to speak to Monica & Sheree, the latest victims of Philimination on the Amazing Race (darn holiday weekends, anyway!). Here's what they had to say:

Why did you want to do the Amazing Race?

Monica: Sheree and I had both been big fans of the show. I was on a website, and saw the casting call for the show, and called Sheree. We'd both talked about doing something for ourselves, not related to football, just something of our own. We thought we could do well, because we know each other well, and thought we could get along. And the physical part of it, we knew we could handle that, too. That was a big thing for me. We were really inspired with AR3, seeing the people who made it to the finals, and the things they went through. It seemed to be a memorable experience.

How close were you to not being eliminated?

Sheree: I think we may have been a good 30 to 40 minutes behind. We never got a chance to find out, but by the time we got to the wash place, there was no one there. And we spent a good 30 or 40 minutes there trying to find the clue, and there was no one in sight, so we had to be that far behind.

After a discussion with Chip & Reichen, you decided to stick with the direct flight, even though it arrived later. Why?

Monica: Sheree and I had both talked about going out on our own, and using gut instinct. The flight was only 40 minutes or so earlier. Sheree and I both thought it was riskier to have to connect versus having a direct flight, with 3 or 4 other teams. And with the teams that were taking a direct flight, we felt we had a better chance to staying in the race. And in the end, it worked out, because we all ended up together spending the night anyway.

You seemed to have trouble finding your way to the train station. What happened?

Monica: There were a lot of people who sent us the wrong way. When we started on that leg, we were with everyone but Chip & Reichen. The rest of the teams, the guys took the girls' backpacks, and they were able to get some separation from us. After that, we kept going in the direction everyone was running, and the clowns were right by us. But we ended up passing the clowns, because people were telling us "go this way." We constantly stopped to ask people where to go. But what really got us was when we got on the bus, and the bus driver told us he'd take us to Dobi Gat and tell us when to get off - and he didn't. I really don't think the guy spoke English. We found out from someone who spoke English that we'd missed our stop, so we had to backtrack to the train station.

Sheree: I think it was a luck thing. Some teams were able to get good directions from people who spoke English. The people who were giving us directions, it was frustrating, because they didn't understand us, but they just kept saying "go that way." Especially when a police officer and the bus driver told us where to go, we thought we were headed the right direction.

Did you experience the same "groping" problems some of the other teams did on the train?

Monica: We got lucky, because when Sheree and I finally got on the train, after our third try, we got in the very last car, and there were 4 or 5 seats up against a wall. An older gentleman had gotten up just before we got on, so we were able to get those seats. You really had to shove your way in. We spent a lot of time in line to buy tickets, and we ended up not needing them, because they never came around to check for them. It was just a mad push.

It looks like everyone was getting in on the nicknaming craze. What did you think of "The Supremes"?

Sheree: I think that was given to us early on, by the BFG's, the air traffic controllers. They started calling us that because we were dressed nice before we were even able to talk to each other, and our hair was always done. It was one of their favorite groups, so they just started calling us The Supremes. Then everyone started calling us that, so we'd sing a little "Baby Love" to them.

You seemed very comfortable asking locals for help. Was that a conscious strategy?

Monica: I think that was just our personality. We didn't go in with a strategy, because it seemed like teams that did, it didn't work. The first few legs, we stayed up all night with the other teams planning out how to get out - trains, cabs, or whatever. But it never ended up going the way we expected. We're the type of people who will just ask, no matter what we think. Even if we had confirmation, we'd ask 3 other people just to see. That was a big disappointment in India, because we asked and asked, and we just got all the wrong directions. There's nothing you can do about that, unless you can keep up with the guys, which we couldn't because of our bags.

You talked about separation, and do you think it's better to separate from the pack, or stick with them and beat them at the end?

Sheree: I think for us, we thought we were going in the right direction, so we'd try for separation. There were so many times where we got grouped back up again, and we never knew when or if it was going to happen. So we fought it out to get separation. And Monica and I did pretty good, we came in 2nd or 3rd almost every leg. For us, we just wanted to get ahead, because if it came to a footrace or carrying something heavy, we wanted to keep the advantage.

Monica: In India, I wanted to stick with the group, but when they started pulling away from us, there wasn't much we could do.

What was your favorite destination?

Sheree: I liked Milan. It was really beautiful.

Monica: Paris, and Le Mans.

What would you have done different, given the chance?

Monica: In India, I would have followed my instincts, which were for Sheree and I to go back to Gate #1, which was where the busses were. But we didn't, because every team but Chip & Reichen went the other way, and we followed them instead.

What did you pack that you didn't need?

Monica: I can't think of anything right off hand, but I'm thinking of the things we should have brought that we didn't.

And what would that be?

Monica: Well, for example, before we left, Sheree and I took our rain ponchos out to make space. And that was the dumbest thing we ever did. Our jackets were water repellent, but it rained so much, we both got sick.

What one piece of advice would you give to the next group of racers?

Sheree: Make sure you're physically in shape before you take off. Even though a lot of it is mental, you have to be strong, and be able to endure and keep going. And make sure you and your partner get along well. The bickering will take a toll on you. That was one thing about Monica and I, we didn't bicker and we got along well with each other.

Monica: I would just say it's not as easy as it looks. When we were watching the show, we only see 45 minutes or so of a 2 or 3 day span. Just like when I'm sitting in the bleachers watching my husband, I can see what he's doing wrong out there on the field. Just know that it's not that easy. You're making decisions under fatigue and stress. You have to be a strong-willed person, and hopefully luck will be on your site.

You both seem like you're in excellent physical shape. How did you have to prepare for the race?

Monica: Sheree and I were in pretty good shape before the race, but she and I would go to Stone Mountain, and try to climb the mountain just to get some training we don't normally do. Sheree and I can go forever on the tennis courts, but the trails and rock climbing was different for us. But nothing was really hard for us.

Thank you both for taking the time to talk to us today, and good luck with everything.

Monica: Thank you. John, can I make one more comment? I do read a lot of the web sites out there, including your site, and I see a lot of comments about how Sheree and I have a lot of money, and shouldn't be in the race. I just want to say that the race is for anyone - it's not for a certain income. It's not "The Amazing Charity". Sheree's and my family both do a ton of charity work, and people are saying it's horrible that we're on there because we have money. I just want to remind people that just because our husbands salaries are in the paper for everyone to see, doesn't mean that other people in the race don't also make a lot of money. So keep that in mind.

Texannie

Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't watched this show this year, but is there really a couple being billed as "dating 12 year, VIRGINS"?????????????? That just totally cracks me up!

Kappy

Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 09:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog ~ Just saw all these interviews from Fans of Reality. Thanks for bringing them over to share.

Csnog

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 08:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From Fans of Reality site

India didn't look very enjoyable for you.

Jaree: No, it was fun. You're the first person to say that, because it's where we "brightened up".

You did start working well together, but it looked like you ran into some trouble. Was the ending close enough so that forgetting the bundles on the elephant made the difference?

Jaree: No, that only took one minute. The bulls, when the rope broke on Tian's grip and other teams got in front of us.

Tian: And they didn't show it, but we also had to stop 10 minutes for gas. And then the elephant thing was a matter of seconds. But it was a close race, and we did the best we could.

Describe what happened with the "groping incident" on the train.

Jaree: We went out to the train, and we couldn't get in the women's section because we had our camera guy with us, so we had to get in the men's section of the train. And when we jumped on the train, I had like 4 guys humping me at one time, and I had guys grabbing my boobs. It was crazy, I had hands everywhere. And I couldn't even move, it was insane.

So there was a separate men's and women's section on the train?

Jaree: Yes, but we couldn't get into the women's section because of the camera guy.

Things got heated on the pier in France, but you stuck to your guns. Why did you finally give in and let the other teams go through?

Jaree: We never planned to go first. We only parked out front because they told us to park like that. We had already told everyone "don't worry, we're just parking here, we're going to let you go first" but they thought we were lying, even though we'd never lied before. We wanted to win the race fair and square.

Tian: It didn't matter anyway, it was only about 45 seconds, everyone going into the same place anyway. So, we handled the situation very well, and everyone else was freaking out for no reason.

You both fought quite a bit in the beginning of the race, but seemed to pull it together the last couple of legs. How is your relationship post-race?

Tian: I disagree with that. They showed 1% of the race, and the other 98% of the time we weren't fighting, they just wanted to show it. We just decided not to fight any more later in the race. It's hard to be chipper when you're freezing your butt off with a wind chill of 25 degrees in a metal boat. So when we got to India, we had a rest, and decided we weren't going to fight any more. I wasn't going to give Jaree sh*t any more. And we pretty much came together. And we kind of wished we'd kept on fighting, because when we were fighting, we were winning. As soon as we stopped fighting, we got eliminated!

Jaree, have you kept your promise not to smoke again?

Jaree: Ah....They probably didn't show last night, when we were eliminated, one of the first things I said was "gimme a damn cigarette!"

Tian, you performed every single roadblock. Was that planned?

Tian: Jaree wasn't feeling well, and she's also a vegetarian, so whenever something came up that sounded like it could be eating, I did the roadblock because she wouldn't eat it.

Jaree: The first couple of weeks of the race, I had the flu, and they didn't show that either. They actually wanted to pull me from the race because I had such a high fever and was so sick. But I wasn't going to quit the race, so I went against doctor's orders and kept on racing. The one roadblock I wish I would have done was the bulls. I could do everything Tian did, but it was just better for her to do them. Thank god she did the bungee, though. I don't know if I'd have done that. With the eels, I thought it was gonna have to eat it, and I wasn't going to eat it.

What did you do with the picture you received from your Fast Forward?

Tian: I don't know. They said they were going to send it to us, and they never did. It's funny that you recognized that, though.

A few of our members wanted to make sure I asked you about it.

Jaree: People kept the cheese, too, I think. Dave and Steve, right?

Tian: I'm glad you reminded me of that, because I need to ask about that painting.

Jaree, did you ever get to buy your fabrics in India?

Jaree: Yes I did. It was about 7 US dollars per bolt.

I have no idea if that's a good deal or not.

Jaree: That's a great deal. If you try to buy it on-line, it's about $75. But I didn't have a lot of money, so we were just using the little bit of money we had left. I only got two, but I'm going to make something pretty with it.

What was your favorite task?

Jaree: When we went down the mountain on that raft. That was really fun.

Tian: Yeah, definitely.

How did you prepare for the race?

Jaree: I quit smoking, and started running. Tian, did you run too?

Tian: I don't remember.

Jaree: I can't remember either. I mainly just stopped smoking. Half the racers were smokers, they didn't focus on it, but there was a lot of smoking going on. They just focused on me, and I was like "why are they doing that to me?"

You've both traveled extensively. Do you think that helped you in the race?

Jaree: I don't think anything helps you in the race. You just have to be focused go for it.

Tian: Foreign languages help out quite a bit, but pointing and running worked pretty well for us. I've been to Europe many times, but Milan and Cortina, I'd never been to. It didn't really help me out.

What one piece of advice would you give the next group of racers?

Jaree: Take your time.

Tian: Yeah, take your time, and have a balanced partner. Read the clues very clearly.

Jaree: You don't have to run for everything. Everyone thinks you have to run all the time - you don't.

Tian: It doesn't really matter. You'll see the difference when you're running the race, because it's really different from what you see on TV. You have to slow down for the cameramen, too. Our cameramen were great, but they're carrying 150 pounds, too.

Thank you both for your time, and for the great interview!

Tian: I promised my producer I'd try to get this in. I'm doing a film right now called "Dark Queen". It's going to be on the Sci-Fi channel. I'm playing a nerdy scientist who changes her DNA and turns into a superhero.

I'll add that on, in the "shameless plug" section of our site.

Tian: It's a B movie, but it's just kind of fun, and it's pretty cool.

Snee

Friday, July 11, 2003 - 10:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks for posting those interviews, csnog. interesting.

on another note, i'm soooo tired of kelly and her meanness (and jon wasn't nice either). they need to get over millie's mole! GET OVER IT!

Riviere

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 03:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Always loved those clowns best, second the guys Dave and Jeff! Kelly got on my last nerve when I heard they nicknamed "Mole and Werewolf" and I'd love to see them lose.. He has zero sense of direction and she can't read a map, so how has team Kelly-Jon stayed in the Race this far? It must be insecurity driving them.. My boys Jon and Al have always been polite, helpful, even if it cost them time! I was so thrilled when they passed Kelly-Jon that I did a happy dance!!! Can't offer an opinion on the Millie-Chuck team, that's just too strange to try and figure out why they seem more like brother & sister..

Lumbele

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
None of the teams making fun of the mole/werewolf thing or laughing when others did, made their mothers proud. These people are claiming to be adults? No need for the others to hit them over the head with their disapproval, subtle non-reaction would get the point across just as well. On second thought, we are talking about Kelli and Jon, so maybe only blunt (instruments) reactions will get through.
The goosing incident however, did give me a good chuckle. Missy finally got a taste of what it's like to be on the other end of the prod, so to speak. And it was done in good humour, not out of meanness.
Sorry to see no all girls teams left, the models were finally growing on me a little.

Snee

Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah, i'm sorry the models are out. they were interesting and growing on me too.

Hummingbird

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang! I was hoping Jon and Kelly were eliminated tonight! They are the seriously annoying team this season. They seem to be cruel, insensitive people.

Seamonkey

Friday, July 18, 2003 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Millie and Chuck last night.. besides the reaction to Reichen and Chip and the knee-jerk reaction to the grandmother's blessing but probably more disturbing to me were the comments Millie was making in her interviews about Chuck's fragile ego, how she was worried when he kept failing in the last set of challenges.. it just seemed like she thought of him as incompetent, yet we just saw her flubbing things with the fish more than once, including dumping many of the fish back in the drink.. I really think these two aren't helping each other grow, in any sense of the word.

Kelly and Jon weren't shown being so mean, except the gratuitous smirking about living in sin after Chuck and Millie revealed their status.. It was funny, but I thought after Chip and Reichen opened up, Chuck and Millie, even though they had trouble with their reaction to that, DID take it as this being a place where they also could reveal their story and Kelly took that trust and once again twisted it. Oh well. Sensitive Kelly is not (except when she is the one under attack).

Seamonkey

Friday, July 18, 2003 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh and just a little editorial.. so often people think ONLY of sex when a gay couple is the subject, but last night, Chip and Reichen were talking about being a couple, how supportive one was of the other and the sentiment of an anniversary.. and first Millie and Chuck turned that into their history/longevity and then sex (absence of, in their case) and then Kelly had to smirk about living in sin and Jon capped it off with not just sex but how quickly they sealed that deal..

Oh well.

Bobbie_552001

Friday, July 18, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was annoyed the entire show last night with Millie...no matter what Chuck did I felt as though he was under attack. But I also looked at Reichen and Chip differently after the above conversation...I like them, my favorite?? I just don't know...lol

Guinevere

Friday, July 18, 2003 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was touched by Reichen (especially) and Chip last night, as well. I've liked them all along, though at times they've acted obnoxious.

I know Kelly and Jon are bad, but I still find them funny and charming at times.

I resisted the Clown Love for a while (jeez, that sounds sort of dirty, doesn't it?), but they really are nice guys, aren't they?

Millie and Chuck mostly just seem pathetic to me - like two really unhappy uptight people. I didn't really like Chuck's reaction shots during Reichen's speech, but I suppose it's to be expected, given his obviously conservative views on sexuality. I was even more put off by Millie's ignorant behavior during the blessing, especially her reference to "voodoo" (uh, sweetie, they don't practice voodoo in Malaysia! I bet they all look alike to her, as well...)

I still harbor a pretty strong dislike of David and Jeff - and a corresponding fear that they are the winners. They just turn me off - it's something in the way that they come off, though when I remind myself that one or the other was a breast-implant salesman and same one or the other one preached his admiration for George Bush in his original bio, my disdain is clearer.

Calamity

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope that if there is an AR5, they will balance out the number of male & female teams again. IIRC, AR1 had three teams each (plus 5 mixed couples) but since then every Race has had more guy teams than girl teams. I was a bit surprised by last season's 4/2 ratio but AR4 has a 5/2 ratio!

Weren't there any other female teams who applied? Or is it that those who did were even less qualified than Steve/Dave or Steve/Josh?

(BTW, this post isn't "anti-guy teams". I just want a return to even numbers.)

Not1worry

Monday, July 21, 2003 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Calamity, and the girl teams are usually more interesting - even if you hate them! Anyone know if there's an AR5 being talked of?

Spear

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 12:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Unfortunately, I saw this column referenced on alt.tv.amazing-race: link

9:53 am Moonves casts the future of The Amazing Race franchise in doubt when he says a fifth edition is not a certainty. "I would be lying to you if I didn't say that [it] deserved better ratings," he says.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw something similar in our paper today, that a fifth race was in doubt.

WAAAAAHHHHH!

Chicaloca453

Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 01:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<Anyway, Millie and Chuck are reminding me vaguely of Flo and Zach lately. Chuck seems rather passive, and Millie needs to ease up a bit. Chuck's not as good of a racer as Zach and Millie's not nearly as annoying as Flo, however. So I'm hoping they'll both change and compromise, because I still like them. Kind of. >>

Really? Kelly & what's his name remind me more of Flo and Zack. She's as annoying as Flo. Just like Flo & Zack in AR III when they finished last in the non-elimination round, I really wish that last week had been an elimination round. Then, we'd be rid of that loud rude b*tch.

Despite who's left, I still think it will come down between Reichen & Chip and Steve & Jeff. Both are very strong.