Episode 7 show spoilers 10/172003 ***
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Episode 7 show spoilers 10/172003 ***
Hermione69 | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:24 pm     Well, I need to go pack for a weekend trip. Have a great night everyone! |
Seamonkey | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:25 pm     I was brought up Christian and never heard a thing about worrying about other blessings.. I was blessed by a Russian or Greek orthodox priest once at a friend's home and it was very different (than the methodist church where they take communion with grape juice, lol) but even as a kid I didn't fear it would send me to hell or anything. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:26 pm     Have a great time, Hermi!! |
Hermione69 | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:27 pm     I did test that just for you, Seamonkey. Crap (see!), I really gotta go now! Buh bye! |
Mak1 | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:27 pm     Have a great weekend Hermi! |
Seamonkey | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:28 pm     I really don't mind if the ceremony bothered them but think they could have just stood there and blocked it out, say a prayer under their breath or something.. and not talk about it.. seems more gracious. |
Corriecat | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:30 pm     I was brought up Christian and I did hear the things Becca wrote about. It all depends on your specific church. M/C are not my favorites but in fairness to Millie I'm not sure that was the best clip to put on the show. It makes her look unkind when she may have just expressed herself badly. |
Corriecat | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:32 pm     Well it has been fun but I am out of here for now. I am going to actually go out of the house, away from the computer and take my husband to a movie. Between work and BB we're turning into strangers. I'll check back later for Jee's noms and see you all here next week. |
Becca | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:32 pm     Yes but that was a Christian blessing, guys. Huge difference there. I would have no problem being blessed by an Orthodox Catholic priest, even though I'm Pentecostal, because its Christian. I'd feel a bit uncomfortable by the Princess because she might be some form of other religion perhaps witch doctor? Even if it was a blessing, I'd do it but I wouldn't feel comfortable with it. Because The Christian Bible informs Christians that they are to have nothing to do with any sort of witch craft. |
Mak1 | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:32 pm     Near the beginning of the ceremony, she said she was feeling a little scared because she didn't know what they were going to do and what they were saying. |
Not1worry | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:32 pm     I didn't notice Millie being overtly rude...I thought she just stood there uncomfortably. No worse than Jon of Kelly/Jon looking at his watch. Millie may have been more concerned at what she didn't know might happen. Sure, they started with a palm branch and chanting, but she had no idea what to expect, unlike other teams that got to watch. She's high-strung anyway and this made her nervous. I didn't necessarily think it was a cultural insult. I agree, say a prayer to Who you believe in and cancel out whatever is being waved over you! |
Seamonkey | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:34 pm     Well that's true but if she didn't give them the words, they couldn't broadcast them.. But I would think that voodoo (if it was voodoo) couldn't have power over one who didn't believe in voodoo, right? So being fearful or upset only gives it power over you.. |
Becca | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:35 pm     If you actually read the new testament and the Old Testament, its very clear that Christians are to stay away from every form of witchcraft or magic. The reason being becasue we actually believe there is a power behind it but not a good one. (Even if the people doing it are well meaning.) The New Testament is quite clear about it. NOw whether or not I'd condemn Harry Potter (which is not really witchcraft is something I"d disagree with some of my brothers and sisters in Christ over. But, when it comes to actually witchcraft the New Testament is clear. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:39 pm     But voodoo isn't witchcraft and I won't see the show til 8pm so can't really have a well-rounded opinion. As for being christian or not, these peole kissed the priest's ring and that definitely wasn't something that was a good thing in my church.. but no problem, he just patted me on the head, no kiss required. And later their church choir (a noted a capella choir, led by my friend's father, was a featured guest at the all city methodist choir christmas messaiah singalong so they seemed to be ok .. So.. later.. looking forward to seeing this episode. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:43 pm     Voodoo isn't witchcraft tho.. and witchcraft isn't the same as wicca for that matter and where they were, isn't the usual spot for either one.. http://www.religioustolerance.org/voodoo.htm What is called "voodoo" is over 6000 years old and stems from Yoruba.. anwyay.. I'm out.. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:46 pm     I can't believe I haven't gone away yet. Yes, the Bible does say to stay away from things like that, but I try to live by the larger message of the Bible, which is love and forgiveness. If you pick the Bible apart verse by verse, there is a whole lot of stuff in there Christian are not supposed to do that is accepted in society today... including, for example, women should not wear jewelry and makeup! I think someone (Seamonkey?) mentioned WWJD and I think He would have been nothing but gracious. I agree, however, that Millie could have just been expressing herself badly when she talked about it later. She just rubbed me wrong way most of the episode so my perception was colored by that. Really must run now. Have a lot to do for my little trip.... Thanks for the well wishes. It will be fun. I'm going up to the mountains for a family reunion. |
Becca | Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:04 pm     the large message is that anything that relies on a magical power is not okay in Christianity. As for the Orthodox church that has something to do with icons, something completley different from the issue at hand. So any form of magic, is repeadly denounced in the Bible. More than once. ITs not a cultural thing. Its because people are relying on a force other than God. That being said in a subject for a race, I'd put up with it. |
Seamonkey | Friday, July 18, 2003 - 08:53 pm     But a grandmother's blessing isn't necessarily magic. Malaysia is heavily Muslim, but I didn't get the idea that the Grandma was practicing anything that I could identify.. whatever.. And part of the problem was Millie grabbing the "voodoo" label out whole cloth.. and ignorance about that part of the world. |
Squaredsc | Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 06:07 am     fyi for anyone interested in what voodoo is.... Vodun is sometimes called Voodoo, Vodoun, Vodou. Religions related to Vodun are: Candomble, Lucumi, Macumba, and Yoruba) General background: Vodun (a.k.a. Vodoun, Voudou, Voodoo, Sevi Lwa) is commonly called Voodoo by the public. The name is traceable to an African word for "spirit". Vodun's can be directly traced to the West African Yoruba people who lived in 18th and 19th century Dahomey. Its roots may go back 6,000 years in Africa. That country occupied parts of today's Togo, Benin and Nigeria. Slaves brought their religion with them when they were forcibly shipped to Haiti and other islands in the West Indies. Vodun was actively suppressed during colonial times. "Many Priests were either killed or imprisoned, and their shrines destroyed, because of the threat they posed to Euro-Christian/Muslim dominion. This forced some of the Dahomeans to form Vodou Orders and to create underground societies, in order to continue the veneration of their ancestors, and the worship of their powerful gods." 1 Vodun was again suppressed during the Marxist regime. However, it has been freely practiced in Benin since a democratic government was installed there in 1989. Vodun was formally recognized as Benin's official religion in 1996-FEB. It is also followed by most of the adults in Haiti. It can be found in many of the large cities in North America, particularly in the American South. Today over 60 million people practice Vodun worldwide. Religions similar to Vodun can be found in South America where they are called Umbanda, Quimbanda or Candomble. Today, there are two virtually unrelated forms of the religion: --the actual religion, Vodun practiced in Benin, Dominican Republic, Ghana, Haiti, Togo and various centers in the US - largely where Haitian refuges have settled. --an evil, imaginary religion, which we will call Voodoo. It has been created for Hollywood movies, complete with "voodoo dolls", violence, bizarre rituals, etc. It does not exist in reality, except in the minds of most non-Voduns. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 07:39 pm     Shukran! Squared.. that sounds pretty much like that site I cited further up.. |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 04:13 pm     oh well hell i didn't see it sea, sorry bout that. i wouldn't have posted that if i knew you already did. lol. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 11:06 pm     Hey, that's alright.. besides it was nice to see that they agreed |
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