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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: The Amazing Race IV (ARCHIVE): The Racers: Reichen & Chip: Archive through June 06, 2003

Ryn

Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
reichenchip

"Married"

BIO

Twenty-eight-year-old Reichen is a pilot and manages a flight school in Los Angeles. A former Air Force pilot, he is married to his teammate Chip. He loves skiing and flying and is very into being physically fit. He describes himself as "detail-oriented, caring and thrill-seeking." He speaks French and has traveled internationally quite a bit. Chip is disappointed that his partner is insecure about his "very liberal sexual views." He enjoys flirting with other guys, but that makes Chip upset. He likens himself to Ben Affleck--"intense"--and says Chip is like Bruce Willis: "steady and true." Reichen says he never procrastinates; he gets things done NOW.

Chip is 36 years old and is the president of a media company that mainly produces music-related projects. He attended Yale and Harvard Business School. He loves hiking in the mountains and participating in triathlons." He describes himself as "determined, free thinking and mindful." He says he is like Winston Churchill: "steady…never say no; anything is possible." Chip lived in Hong Kong for three years, in Paris for six months and in London for two years. He is in great physical shape.

Jasper

Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What did he mean in the Q&A to show a different type of gay relationship? A relationship is a relationship. If he means a little flamboyant I say bring back Danny and Oswald they made TAR2 so enjoyable! They were so much fun.

Crazydog

Monday, May 05, 2003 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I'm wondering what they mean by different gay relationship as well. You had the Guidos, who did not seem overtly gay in the least, and then you had Danny and Oswald, who were extremely flamboyant and diva-ish. On TAR3, I wouldn't have known Aaron and Ken were gay if they didn't tell us. Only Andrew was flamboyant.

So I don't know what he means by that. I suppose he might be referring to his "married" status. Is this the couple that got "married" in Vermont? But the Guidos seemed like a committed couple as well.

Tabbyking

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
reichen and chip sounds like a ben and jerry's flavor of ice cream. they are married but the one guy likes to flirt with other guys and is very 'liberal' in his sexual views. sounds like he is married but acting single.
if they don't steal my heart away from the start as team cha cha cha...i will see them as the guidos and want them gone. wait! watching the flirter do his stuff on foreign men and the hissy fits from the partner could make for great entertainment!
i'll give them a chance....

Tabbyking

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
'chi-chi-chi-chip and reichin, rescue rangers, chi-chi-chi-chip and rechin, rescue rangers....'
i do hope these guys are entertaining...
maybe we can just call them the 'chipendales' (chip and dale?) lol
take your pic on cartoon characters or male dancers.....

Julieboo

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aaron & Ken? Who were they? Can someone refresh my memory?

Tabbyking

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 05:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
aaron was with arianne and ken was with someone......can't think who.

Monkeyboy

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gerard was with Ken.

Seamonkey

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They certainly have the travel experience.

Ken was with his brother Gerard, who is straight.

Oswald and Danny (one of my all time favorite teams) were not a "couple".

Squaredsc

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sea, i thought it later came out that danny and oswald were a couple? correct me if im wrong. i loved them.

Seamonkey

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squared.. something may have come out recently, but while the show was still on the air and before the week they were "booted", they were vacationing in Key West and my best friends met them and at that time they were not a couple and were not always hanging out together, but each would check on the other and were very close, per my friends.. also just really really nice, funny, handsome and good dancers.. if they did end up as a couple, that would be cool.

Yeah, they were such a fun team. See? We both loved them and they didn't win!! ACK!!

Tabbyking

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wow, i always thought danny and oswald were a couple, too. i guess that's because they described themselves as 'partners'......'partners in crime'!!

Monkeyboy

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 01:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I cant stand these two.

Llkoolaid

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really like these two, I hope they go far. They were really nice to share their room with Debra and Steve.

Seamonkey

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also like them. The room share was especially nice, since it would be a rare chance to let their hair down in private. And lovely that Debra and Steve didn't have to spend their only night on the street.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 12:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like them, too....

Finally! A gay couple that doesn't embody the stereotypes that seem to be the most popular on TV (a lá Jack McFarland on "Will & Grace"). These guys are a lot more like the *majority* of gay people that I personally know.

Many str8 folks that don't have (or don't *realize* they have) gay friends simply don't know that being effeminate and bitchy is *not* typical of most gay people. (This is not a condemnation or anything on my part....I just wanted to point out that people without any experience and familiarity of the gay community do not realize this.)

I thought that "Team Cha-Cha" was hilarious....and I could not stand the "Guidos"....and who knows, I may come to dislike the newest gay team...but so far, I like 'em fine and I'm happy that they finally put a not-so-stereotypical gay team on the show!

Oh yeah.....I read a comment earlier in this thread asking if the married men were the ones that were "married in Vermont". Actually, gay people can be married in ANY state! Believe it or not, there are some bonafide Christian churches that do perform (and bless) same sex marriage ceremonies. The issue is that the government *refuses to recognize them* and *refuses to allow them the same benefits that married str8 people have*. But they CAN actually "get married" in their church in the eyes of God....it just isn't "legally certified" in the eyes of our prejudiced government.

Llkoolaid

Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 05:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sanfranjoshfan, funny how I thought it would be the other way around. I guess it is something that I haven't really thought about but I would assume that the church would be the narrow minded one. Wow, I didn't realize that it was still illegal by the government, guess I better go check that date at the top of my calendar, I was sure it said 2003.

Sanfranjoshfan

Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Llkoolaid - That's the contradiction of the whole "no gay marriage" issue. The fight against equal rights for gay people is fueled by religious beliefs that are interjected into legislation.....but it's only religious institutions that will bless these unions!

In any case, the bottom line is that there actually IS "gay marriage"....but by disallowing a legal marriage *certificate* to gay married couples, the government is able to enforce this discrimination....and maintain the "special right" of marriage for str8s only, which comes with many fringe benefits such as tax breaks, survivor benefits, easier adoption, etc...

Monkeyboy

Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL i posted in the wrong thread...i really dont have an opinion of these guys yet.

Llkoolaid

Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How do they get away with that. Are straight couples that are not married but live together getting those rights. I think they do in Canada. hmmmmmmmmmmm,I must check this out.

Sanfranjoshfan

Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Llkoolaid - In the US, if a str8 couple lives together for a certain amount of time but never have a marriage certificate or a marriage ceremony, they can still be considered married by "common law" in certain instances. I am not sure if partners in a str8 "common law marriage" can get all the tax and survivor benefits as those in a traditonal, "certified" marriage. I am also not sure which states recognize common law marriages.

In California where gay marriage is currently disallowed, non-married partners (couples) have the option to register as "domestic partners"....this applies to both gay and str8 couples, so it is NOT a "special right for gay couples". Domestic Partner registration provides some benefits that are covered by other bits of legislation....such as some visitaion rights in hospitals, some medical insurance coverage, etc....but it does NOT allow gay couples the same tax benefits (either state or federal) that governement sanctioned str8 marriages receive.

Marriage is a "special right" reserved for str8 people.

I applaud CBS for listing Reichen and Chip as "Married" whenever their names are flashed on the screen. There are str8 couples that have benefits of marriage simply for cohabitating.....but in many states in the US, gay couples can have a blessed marriage ceremony in their church, register as domestic partners, get spousal medical coverage through domestic partner registration.....but can still have their relationship used as a "reason" to disallow adoption and as a "reason" to deny custody rights, and they cannot get the same tax breaks as str8s.

Lycanthrope

Friday, June 06, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Reichen is a competitor, but at the same time he's kind of a jerk. This is an interesting team, so I hope they stay in the race a while.

Not1worry

Friday, June 06, 2003 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't really impressed with his reasoning on why they were now going to play "dirty" or whatever his words were. Yes, they got jacked over at the airport on the last leg. But I don't like that they decided their moral actions were going to be based on others action. Either you have a certain level of ethics in your competing, or you don't.

I don't have a problem with those who are willing to do whatever it takes, such as Jon telling the shuttle bus to leave without Monica and Sheree. Might not be nice, but that's the way he's playing.

R & C seem to say, well, we were going play an honest game, but now we aren't because no one else is.

I'm not saying this very well. It bothers me for some reason though. Maybe they just seemed like picked on 2nd graders in this episode.

Sanfranjoshfan

Friday, June 06, 2003 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was really disappoined in the whole "not letting go of the door thing" thing....that was so lame! And it did absolutely nothing to further them in the game, but did plenty to turn some of the others against them.

Oh well, I hope they play the rest of the game a little less childishly...

I do kind of understand the idea behind changing tactics to be more cutthroat to keep up, if that's what it takes, especially if those are the kinds of tactics the others are using. But that still doesn't excuse either of them for being obnoxious and doing stuff like holding the door because "were bigger". In this game I don't think that old saying "might makes right" will work. That kind of bullying could simply galvanize all the rest to become allies in a bid to sabotage them!

Guinevere

Friday, June 06, 2003 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I like them, and so I'm predisposed to defend them (though I'm a little wary about the run-in with Millie next week...we'll have to see).

My take on it was that 1) they felt, from what they'd heard, that other teams were gunning for them (presumably because they are two young fit guys, ala D&D last season). That would make me a lot less inclined to play nice, too - if I knew that other teams SPECIFICALLY wanted to see my team fail and might band together to accomplish it. Also 2) I thought Reichen's (I think it was him, but it might've been Chip) point talking to the air traffic controller guy was that he specifically didn't want any lectures from him on fairness, since that guy had benefited from unfairness on the previous leg. I agreed with him there.

Reichen did admit in the interview that holding the doors was childish. I don't think two wrongs make a right IRL, but I can understand it much more in the context of the game - if others are going to play dirty, you have to do the same to keep up.