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TV ClubHouse: ARCHIVES: The Amazing Race IV (ARCHIVE): General Discussions: Premiere-May 29 (90 MINUTE EPISODE): Archive through May 21, 2003

Wilsonatmd

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 05:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The TV Guide description:

Amazing Race 4
Cheaters Never Win --- And They Cheated!
90 min.
The fourth edition of the race around the world for $1 million begins at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, where the 12 teams of two learn their first destination: Milan, Italy. From there, the pairs travel to the Cinque Torri area of the Alps and must choose between searching for an object hidden in the snow or walking across a rope bridge and then riding a zip line between two high peaks. Phil Keoghan is the host.

Squaredsc

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks wilson, woo hoo 90 mins.

Crazydog

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cool, I've been to Milan. Wonder if they're going to spend any time there or if they're just going to go straight to the Alps.

Tabbyking

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
whoooo boy, fasten your snee belts, this is going to be fun! the only reason i am glad we had to wait for this to come on, is that if we had started seeing it in february it would be over! lol

c'mon team papajosh! c'mon team bozo! c'mon deb and steve--team 'stevra' since there are so many steves!!

Crazydog

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really hope that now that there is nothing left to watch, and that it is on Thursdays, that ratings will be better.

Tabbyking

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe they are hoping to get the thursday night crowd usually watching survivor? if they pull this mid-stream, i am driving to new york to picket in front of the ABC building!
i can't wait until we can see their application videos...

Kitt

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What's the "Cheaters never win" part about?? Are the first couple disqualified because they cheat? What fun :) :).

Lyra

Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 02:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah! 90 minutes. 11 days to go!

Cba79

Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 08:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kitt---I was wondering the same thing. "Cheaters never win...and they cheated?" This could be a very interesting start for the Race!

I just love troublemakers!

Tabbyking

Sunday, May 18, 2003 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well, maybe the second to last in get sent home rather than the last in. sounds like when the legally blondes didn't realize 'walk to' meant,like uh, really? walk? wow, who knew...

i love teasers like this. i can't wait for this show to start!

wait...maybe they have to race a cheetah and the cheetah doesn't win. LOL

Missy2

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 05:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
hello, i've never watched this show....

i realize its a race, but what is about? i'm thinking about tuning in.

Tabbyking

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oh my heck! you will love it.
so many teams start out together from one location. they are given a clue and so much money to get through a day. (air fare is covered, nothing else is. they have to get by on whatever the producers give them each day for food, ground transportation, etc. some of the contestants use it as 'bribe' money, too!)
the teams have to make their way to wherever the clue says and pick up another clue. they have to do challenges (usually there is a choice, i.e., rappeling down a mountain cliff or hiking a trail, etc.), a 'road block', which is a challenge only one team member does (they have to choose in advance which member will do the road block,not knowing exactly what the challenge might be), and every other day they end up at an elimination point, where the last team in is booted. during the course, there are usually 3 days that are non-elimination, but they don't know in advance. they travel 25,000 miles or more in the month it takes to complete the race.
there are cameramen with each team. they show the difficulties in booking flights, how women might be ignored in some countries, the teams trying to communicate in foreign countries, the alliances and sneakiness between teams.
it is so much fun!
do tune in. do play the media game. there is a topic for that game here, too.
i think you will really like it.
there were grannies on it once and they actually made it to round 3 or something! there was a mom and daughter duo that everyone loved; funny frat guys, idiot female harvard law graduates --neither could drive a stick and they had to drive through narrow streets. i felt bad for the cameraman when they hit a pole!
you have to follow the rules, or you can get penalties. if the penalties add up to enough minutes, you can actually be eliminated even if you came in hours ahead of the 'last team'.
an example of a penalty would be: taking a cab when you were specifically told 'to walk' somewhere...

Tabbyking

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
p.s. when a team reaches the 'rest area' where the last team in gets eliminated, they have a mandatory 12 hour stay. so if a team gets in at 4:04 in the afternoon, they cannot leave until 4:04 in the morning. they may be an hour ahead of the next team to come in, so they have that hour 'head start' when they depart again.
however!!!! let's say the first challenge they have to do involves going into a park and the park doesn't open until 8:00 a.m...even though the team may have left an hour before the next team they will all bunch up again because the first team can't enter the park until a certain time! (we call this 'leveling the playing field' and it happened a lot the last game with everyone catching up several times.)
or a team might get a flight somewhere and another team might get an earlier flight or a non-stop flight.
there are also 'fast forwards' but a team can only use it one time. they need to consider whether/when to take advantage of it. only one team can take it each week, too...so if 2 or 3 teams decide to go for it, only one team can get it. then the other teams would have to hustle back to the other assigned challenges and they may be behind, because the teams who didn't go for the fast forward that day have already started the challenges.
i am sure i am confusing you, but tune in once, and it will become pretty clear for you!

Alaginger

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabbyking ........ thanks so much for that explanation. Now I have more of an idea what in the heck is going on. Yep......it sure sounds like fun! I can't believe I didn't watch this before.

Are there any other games on the Internet for AR4 other than Mediawhore? Does CBS have a Fantasy Game for this like they do Survivor?

Tabbyking

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think in the past i have only seen the media game...there may be others to come along this year. if anyone discovers any other games, please share!

Crazydog

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the title means there is going to be a disqualification. I think one of the teams is going to "think outside the box" or cut the corners and another team is going to view that as cheating. That other team is just saying, it doesn't matter they are ahead for now, they cheated and cheaters never win.

It all sounds very grade schoolish to me. Like in Amazing Race 2 when Gary told Wil that he was a cheater.

Tabbyking

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
when he should have just told wil he was a worm!

i do love this show, but yeah, there are some immature moments!

Alaginger

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw on another website that somebody was speculating that cheaters never win could mean that somebody cheats in the First Episode but that they do not wind up being the ultimate winner of AR4. Just another thought on it!

Tabbyking

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe they just don't win a particular elimination, or challenge on the first episode ...i don't think someone would give out already that a team that 'cheats' on the first leg doesn't win the whole game at the end of the month...
i would certainly hope we don't have the spoilers "survivor" has had. i really could have done without knowing jenna was final 2 two months in advance! that was my main reason for being upset that she won--i really haven't wanted the person who won to be the winner for most of the survivor shows--but i wanted her not to be so that the spoilers would be wrong. it really is more fun for me not to have a spoiler for the 'ending' from the get-go. a spoiler as each episode comes might be different, but when all was said and done with this last survivor, i felt as if i could have just skipped the whole thing. i really didn't want whoever the spoiler was to be spoiling the entire 11 episodes before we even saw the first episode! LOL
i know we'll be hearing them more and more on here. "so and so was in hawaii" (which we have already seen somewhere) "and said a group came through"; or: "a cousin of my aunt's dog groomer (who charges way too much, by the way) overheard a man on the subway saying his uncle, who is a monk, was on a retreat in the alps and saw two americans riding a bike with a goat on the handlebars, and they looked to be a gay couple, and this would have been about the time they filmed TAR, so....it stands to reason 'chipendale' make it to that point...."
okay, so i made that stuff up, but just let tabby be surprised this game!!

Alaginger

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Found a site that gives a lot of information about the Cinque Torri area of the Alps where this first episode is highlighted. Pictures of summer and winter scenes, just by clicking ...

http://www.dolomiti.org/dengl/cortina/5torri/index.html

Hippyt

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Crazydog,sounds like a team is whining,and accusing another team of being cheaters. Sounds like a fun start!

Egbok

Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 10:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone know when AR4 will be ending? July? August? Thanks.

Crazydog

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Egbok, it is supposed to run 15 weeks, with presumably 2 pre-emptions as the previous seasons have been 13 hours long. I think going by that schedule the final episode is supposed to air in early September.

Egbok

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the info Crazydog.

Neetka

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, it's time to stop lurking. I just discovered AR last year and absolutely loved it, even though it killed me when Flo won. I've really enjoyed reading these boards; I feel like I know some of you after reading your comments for so long. Since I can rarely resist getting my 2 cents in, I finally broke down and got an account so this year I can participate as well as read. I can't wait for AR4 to start!