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Tabbyking

Friday, June 13, 2003 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
bobbie, i'm with you!! i'll be 49 in august and i think they look much older than me! of course, i sometimes catch a glimpse of myself in a store window or something and think, "middle age woman" LOL and then realize it's me, dammit!

Fanny

Friday, June 13, 2003 - 05:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll be 49 in aw screw it I just turned 48 and I cannot BELIEVE these guys are younger than me. They're AT LEAST 10 years older than I am. If I were looking for guys to date they'd be much too old for me. Good god.

Where is the damned chocolate. I am almost unconsolable.

Tabbyking

Friday, June 13, 2003 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, fanny. i'm going for the espresso and biscotti ice cream from thrifty!

Bobbie_552001

Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 06:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We need guys that are able to keep up with us girls....now don't we?? My mother, yes the one that thinks her daughter will be single forever...and will never be able to "deal with it" would even tell me that they were too old for me.....

PS...my lovely children...said "Mom you look great for being 47 and Steve looks older than grandpa!" I love them!!!!

Fanny

Saturday, June 14, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great idea, Tabby. Bobbie, you are raising your kids right. :)

Sadiesmom

Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can't believe it myself. I am decades older and these guys look in worse shape than I do! Where did they find them? I know the desk job I have has taken a toll on my body, but I am tryingto walk each lunch and get fresh air and move. I can't run (never could either, don't know why) but I can walk faster than some people run and keep it up longer.

Maybe I will try out. If they take people with asthma and others that are just plain out of shape (me), do you think they would take people with other chronic problems? Maybe I am not so old, especially if I can get them to include sailing as part of the race, I could whip them with that skill!

Beachcomber88

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Another team where I don't know who's who.

Anyway, the white haired guy who made the tires comment and gave the leery look...yech. So very juvenile, especially coming from the oldest and supposedly most mature guy left in the race.

Seamonkey

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 12:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree.. I didn't care for it and besides, it was unwarranted.. they all piled on a team that followed directions.

Crazydog

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What utter jerks. I am from Chicago and so are these two. I was so eager to support them, because Chicago seems very underrepresented when it comes to reality shows, but I just don't care for them at all. I can't stand the whiter haired one. The "check your tires" comment was despicable. The look Tian (or Jaree) gave in response was very funny.

Calamity

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fair or not, I've had a slight grudge against this team since the ticket situation from epi 1. And while I think anyone who goes on TAR deserves some respect, the white-haired one (Steve?) really irritates me.

People keep wishing for more reality show contestants that look like "regular people". Well, here we have middle-aged, overweight, out-of-shape Steve. That's about as average American as you can get. Just goes to show it isn't only the "beautiful people" who can act like jerks.

(Ordinarily I wouldn't post such a negative comment but that "check your tires" warning was over the line.)

Lumbele

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Until last night these two had my support. They seemed to genuinely care about each other, looking out for each other and not bickering (big plus point in my book). But "Whitey" let the air out of my enthusiasm when he threatened the models.

Hermione69

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't like that threat either. In "real life" if someone had said that to me, I would have reported it.

Guinevere

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really wish they would get a time penalty for the threat. That is not cool. I haven't liked these two from the beginning, and will be happy to see them gone (hopefully soon).

Beachcomber88

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That whole tire threat still sickens me. After all, didn't these guys cut in front of people themselves at the airport when asked to by Steve and Josh? How quickly they forget. I guess White haired guy's memory is fading as fast as his partner's knees.

Crazydog

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Beach, they are so hypocritical. When they were given the last seats on the early plane in the first episode, Monica and Sheree complained and they essentially said, so sad too bad, it's a race and you take the breaks when you can get them. How was this situation any different? It's still a race and you luck out sometimes and get a break. Just like how in New Zealand in TAR2 one of them (I think Wil) drove his RV to the front of the line and cut in front of the others.

Beachcomber88

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. Monica and Sheree did make some comment that it would come back to bite them. What's fair is fair. Guess they thought things were different when they were on the short end of the stick. What jerks.

On a side note, I am amazed at how good your recollection is of all the past TARs! I can't even keep them all straight anymore. I remember the winners, but that's about all.

Wendo

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, I'm with everyone else, these two definitely lost me when white haired guy made the tire threat. Up until then, while they weren't my favs, I was ok with them. Plus, what pissed me off was the fact that Tia and Jaree were TOLD to park where they did. Sheesh. Hope when he saw the show he realized what an <sd> he was.

Tabbyking

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree that the comment was totally unwarranted and stupid, but i was annoyed when the one gal wouldn't just say, "we are just parked here because we were told to; you certainly can get in line in the order you are parked and we will fall in behind you once the gates open." i think she asked for the others to be angry with her, but not to threaten her. i believe her partner talked her into doing the right thing and letting the others go in the order they had lined up, and we weren't shown that conversation.
i don't care for one of the tian/jaree gals (why is this amazing race so hard to tell who is who as far as names go!?), but steve and dave went way to the bottom of the tabby like-list this last week.

Wendo

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 10:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
IIRC, she did tell the other racers she was told to park there.

Crazydog

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good riddance. When I saw the interview clip of them obviously at the pit stop and they were all cheerful I was afraid that they had made it. The continual tortoise references were annoying.

Marysafan

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wanted to like these guys, but there was just something about them that was "off-putting". I knew they were in trouble when the selected the cheese deal instead of the manure. If you are that far behind...you HAVE to take the faster activity. You can't rely on "luck" to pull you through EVERY week.

Crazydog

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 08:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mary, that's the thing, they just didn't care. I thought their attitude was really poor. They didn't seem to be competitive at all. Their whole attitude was, "we are just going to plod along and do our thing and hope someone else screws up". It's The Amazing RACE, not The Amazing Let Someone Else Screw Up. Pathetic.

Marysafan

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
(Personally...I think they are a tad on the lazy side)

Seamonkey

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well the good thing is now we see if ZULU DOG starts posting again on whatever board he posts on.. since that is opined to be one of these guys.

I'm not sad.. they had a good run and the sealed the deal for me (of not liking them) with that threat about the tires.

Csnog

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is from the Fans Of Reality site

This afternoon, I had the great pleasure of speaking with the two funniest guys on The Amazing Race 4 (yes, funnier than Jon & Al), Steve & Dave, air traffic controllers from Chicago, and the latest victims of having BOTH been eliminated from the race. Here's what they had to say:

What's the story with the knee?

Dave: It's still attached. I should probably go have it looked at, but I'm afraid of what the doctor's going to say. It's fine. Well, it's not fine - it sucks.

Steve: He never really recovered.

Was it hurt in the first leg, or is it an old injury?

Dave: I actually had torn the cartilage in the knee several years ago, and didn't think it was that bad. But when we came down that mountain, I put my foot down into someone else's tracks, and went right through the snow and ended up sitting on my knee. It was not pretty, I could hardly walk after that. I did it 3 or 4 times coming down that hill. Thankfully, Steve dug the trenches in the snow on the way after that.

Steve: He was a hair's breadth away from calling it quits because he was in such pain. They didn't show the wincing and crying because of the pain.

Dave: Crying? That wasn't pain, I missed my wife.

Steve: Search and rescue was right next to us the whole time, and at one point, Dave said he needed to quit, but in the next breath he said "no, I'm not letting my partner down." But it was pretty bad. He never had a chance to recover.

Dave: It wasn't feeling too bad, but coming back up the hill after that rappel, it screwed it all up again.

Steve: Yeah, they didn't show what a brutal climb that was. There were places with ropes you had to pull yourself back up. It took us about an hour and half to get up that hill.

You seemed to have some pretty bad luck - wrong trains, traffic jams, etc. How big a part do you think luck plays in the race?

Dave: I think there's a lot of luck involved, and I say that just by the nature of the way the race is set up. There's a lot of bunching, and choosing the train as opposed to the cab can make the difference. If we had been able to find a faster means of transportation frmo Orley to DeGaulle, we would still be in the race.

Steve: I think the wrong train in Venice, though - we left Venice to get away from the teams. We knew there was no way to get Vienna in time to do the task that night. So we just wanted to leave Venice to avoid being part of the bunching.

Dave: When we arrived at the train station, it was closed. There were no ticket windows open, and the only people around were itinerants. Steve found a guy who he thought spoke English, but to this day I say he couldn't. The guy told him that he thought he'd seen trains leaving from Padua to Vienna, so we took the train. When we got there, we realized that it was a mistake, and that trains were lucky if they even blew their whistle as they ran through Padua.

Who came up with "Big Fat Guys", and did it bother you?

Steve: I'm shocked to hear that. We thought it meant "Big Friendly Guys". We knew it didn't mean "Big Fast Guys".

Dave: We thought it might mean "Big Funny Guys", because if it didn't, we were just going to sit on them. I think Kelly came up with that one, though. But it didn't bother us.

Steve: And damn her for that, because it realy got picked up at work.

Dave: Yeah, that's all I've heard for a week at work.

Steve: At the least, they could call us "Mister BFG".

You went with the cheese instead of the manure. Was that the fatal mistake?

Dave: No, what did us in was that we got to the airport in Marseilles, and we were 2.5 hours back at that point. The guy said we had to take a cab to change airports, but we had almost 2 hours for a 35 minute cab ride. So, we had plenty of time. Then we sat as our pilot decided he needed to de-ice the plane. Now, Steve and I are air traffic controllers, we KNOW when a plane needs to be de-iced, and this plane barely had frost on the wings.

Steve: Here's the sweet irony - Steve and Dave lost the Amazing Race due to an airplane delay.

Dave: Even then, when we got to Amsterdam, we were ahead of Dave and Jeff, did the cheese thing, and got stuck in another traffic jam. So, 2 traffic jams and a de-icing delay that day - everything we tried that day to gain ground backfired on us.

Steve: We were flabbergasted how many people dug through crap.

Dave: For us, it was never even a question. We were stunned when we found out that every team but two did the manure task.

You line-jumped in LAX in the first leg with no problem...

Steve: It was our idea. We're going to take the heat off Steve & Josh, we approached them.

Dave: The reason behind that is, we stood in line at the Swissair flight, and Chip & Reichen were counting the number of tickets left, and standing off to the side asking if they could be put on a list, or get tickets. Then the ticket clerk said "everyone will get tickets but you", pointing to us. But they'd mis-counted, and it was our intention only to screw over Chip & Reichen, but we ended up accidentally shafting Monica & Sheree.

Steve: They were very cool about it, by the way. They just approached us later and said "we wish you'd have told us what you were doing, so we could have gotten to KLM sooner." It just backfired on them, but what can you do?

Having jumped in line...

Steve: Wait, how do we get from "a clever move", to "you line-jumping ••••••••"?

Okay, having made a clever move, let's jump to Marseilles on the dock, and talk about the infamous line that didn't win you any fans.

Dave: I'm going to use a word that gets overused quite a bit: editing. There were two things that were said there, and I'm not going to say they were taken out of context, because we can't deny Steve said them. But at that point, we thought we were third in line, and C&R and T&J pulled up. Monica and Sheree asked us what should be done, and we all had a confab to decide what we were going to do about it. It all started politely, but it got blown up out of proportion really quickly. We didn't know about the guy telling them to park there at the time. Chip & Reichen moved to the back of the line, and we give them props for that, but with the information we had at the time, we didn't know they'd been there already and left, and it just got out of hand.

Steve: We'd been driving all night, everyone was suffering from lack of sleep. Those were true emotions, but it had escalated before what you saw.

Should we be afraid of air traffic controllers whose signature move is the "near-miss high five?"

Dave: You'd better, by god.

Steve: We were just screwing around until Amsterdam, where the hashish is really cheap, so we really tried to meet up on top that time.

Dave: That's just something Steve and I have done for years.

Steve: Yeah, we tried the chest bumping for a while, until I knocked Dave unconscious that one time, and when he woke up a week later, we tried to think of something less damaging.

Dave, you were involved with Survivor Sucks. Now that you're on the receiving end, has it changed your perspective? And is it better to participate, or discuss it?

Dave: You know, I've had a real revelation. I used to be as bad as some of the people you see on some of these sites, thinking "what were they thinking, those morons!" It's really kind of opened my eyes. During the race, we didn't get along with C&R or T&J, but after the fact, we've stayed in contact with them, and they're very nice people. During the stress of the race, for a million dollars, and they do and say things they might not otherwise say and do. From that aspect, I realize that some of my actions on the web site might have been wrong. I would rather be a part of reality TV than talk about it, but the bottom line is, I probably owe a lot of people from Survivor and TAR a big apology for some of the things I've said about them.

Steve: Ah, screw 'em, they don't know who you are.

So, is it "all about the editing" after all?

Dave: No, it's not, because those things really happened that you see. But you've got 12 teams filing 24 hours a day, and they distill it down to what you see.

Steve: But what about all those times we actually sprinted?

Dave: That's true. There was that time we set the record for the 100-yard dash. But really, editing plays a big part of it.

Speaking of sprinting, is it a good idea to be seen walking around with your hands in your pockets during a "race"?

Steve: Well, Dave missed his wife. Didn't you notice there was movement? That was true emotion, too.

Dave: Haven't you ever heard of pocket pool? No, we were shown that way, but Steve and I are not the most physical guys in the race, that's obvious. We knew that the only way we were going to get through the race was on intellect rather than brawn - and unfortunately my partner let us down in that department. No really, brawn just won out at the end. What can you do?

How did you prepare for the race?

Dave: Lots of chocolate donuts.

Steve: No, Dave quit smoking, and he was smoking 2 and a half packs a day. We didn't want to go and completely embarass ourselves - just partially embarass ourseles.

Dave: Steve lost quite a bit of weight. You can't tell of course, but he did. I quit smoking, and we did quite a lot of walking.

Steve: I did the treadmill a lot, but after I got home, I realized that there's a frickin' ON button! When you press that, the sucker moves!

If you could have packed one thing that you didn't, what would it have been?

Steve: We had everything we needed - if anything, we took too much. We'd have taken about 10 pounds less of stuff.

Then going the other way, what was something you packed that you shouldn't have?

Steve: Shorts. We brought lots of shorts, and we never needed those.

Dave: Too many clothes. I should have cut way back on clothes I brought.

What one piece of advice would you give the next set of racers?

Steve: Pack lighter than you need to.

Dave: And try to keep the perspective that it's just a game. I know you're playing for a million dollars, but it's still just a game.

Steve: The money wasn't a motivating factor for us, but other teams went in with dollar signs in their eyes. And I don't think they enjoyed it as much as we did.

Dave: And another thing that goes hand in hand with that, Steve and I tried to be polite to everyone we met. Be polite, because the locals can help you more than you think they can. You're in their country. Enjoy what you're seeing.

Steve: And this magazine. That's all I need. And this phone. And this dog. And that's all I need.

That's all I have, guys.

Steve: Okay, then it's our turn to interview you. What's up with that CaliGirl? She was a big fan of ours, until we made that snarky comment on Pier 4.

I think a lot of people were turned off by that comment.

Steve: I don't get it - everyone was making bad comments, and that one little line - we never even mentioned slashing. But you know, it worked. We had no idea that they were going to let all the cars on, we thought they might let us in 2 or 3 at a time, and we'd have been screwed. We were last at LeMans, and we managed to be third in line, and we were protective of what we thought was our place.

Dave: And really, if we were in their position, I think we'd have gone right to the back of the line to begin with. I don't think I'd have even gone to the gate in the first place.

I think a lot of the reason is that you were the favorite until that point, and it showed a little "snarkiness" that they hadn't seen before.

Dave: I'm going to write some of that off to weariness. Steve is 6' 5", and I'm 6' 3", and we were REALLY uncomfortable sleeping in the car. And we weren't alone. Even the ones that went to a hotel didn't get a whole lot of sleep. You get a lot of tired people in a stressful situation, and emotions come out.

Beachcomber88

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Still don't like them. Crazy, the "plodding" description is a good one. I also like "lumbering". They didn't deserve to win or advance further. I still think they knew what BFGs meant.

I think it's funny how they don't seem to see just how awful the tires comment was. They could have had a lot of fans - how can you not cheer for two old, out-of-shape, fat guys against all the youngins? Not after that incident...

Seamonkey

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Beach.. but it is a good interview and I have to like how they like each other..

Not1worry

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ewwww, they don't come off so great in that interview. An image of Dave playing pocket pool is somewhat traumatizing.

Tishala

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG not1, I didn't notice that until you said it! How awful! And they actually go ON about it too!

beginning to think they were even worse than i thought

Seamonkey

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I read that and I guess I didn't want to hear it, so I glossed over it..

Pamy

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone know where Caligirl posts? That's the site they must go to.

Csnog

Friday, June 27, 2003 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One of them, I don't know if it's Dave or Steve is a poster on Survivor Sucks. He loves Survivor.

Calamity

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't know what "BFGs" stood for either. And I feel bad for saying this, but I wasn't disappointed to see this team eliminated and that interview only reinforced my opinion.