Tonight's Show 10/23
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Mystery | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:52 am     "Lawyers are scary people. For them, rules aren't absolute... they're only as good as how well you can argue around them." Goodness knows I'm glad to see Heather and Eve go but I can't let this statement go by without qualifying it a little bit (and yes I am a lawyer, so there's a bias). Although I don't think that the rule in the race had any ambiguity about it, and I don't think that Heather and Eve THOUGHT there was any ambiguity, plenty of laws ARE ambiguous, especially when they're not written by lawyers. (Here in California, voters are constantly voting on issues that the legislature hasn't been able to resolve, and however it's written in the ballot is how it ends up as law, and then we go to court to interpret the intent... it's a mess!) And even laws written by legislatures have to be interpreted. For instance, when laws were first enacted requiring all motor vehicles to have headlights and taillights, there were problems with Amish people using horse-drawn wagons. Did the wagons qualify as motor vehicles? If not, should the wagons be subject to the same law as motor vehicles anyway, since they're operating on the same roads? That question requires looking into what safety issues were meant to be addressed by the law. And can you require someone to electrify a wagon, when they don't believe in the use of electricity? If not, what kind of reflective devices would address the safety issues even if the devices don't qualify as a headlight or taillight? These are the kind of issues you "argue around" in law school and that tendency doesn't endear lawyers to anyone, I know. I don't think that Heather and Eve were under any misconception about the rule, but I also didn't want to let that statement go by without comment. |
Fanny | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:16 am     . |
Pottedplant | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:30 am     while I was not sad to see them go, I was a tad disappointed that AA stayed. (& it would be nice to keep political references out of threads...) |
Squaredsc | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:51 am     thanks to lumble(sp) and wargod with the chat transcript. i really appreciate it 'cause we were too busy karioking(sp) and dancing and i know my d.h. didn't tape it for me. darn it sounds like it was a great show. of course now i have to go to the suck thread but im glad the lawyer ladies are gone. |
Micknrc | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:57 am     sheesh, here we go again.... |
Calamity | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 12:19 pm     This was definately one of the more suspenseful episodes that I can remember. I guessed the lawyers would get a penalty but didn't know if it would affect the outcome. Wonder how close (in time) all the teams are now? |
Micknrc | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 12:33 pm     They must all be within a half hour of each other according to the fact that Heave were eliminated with a 37 min penalty. |
Calamity | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 12:51 pm     Yeah, that's right. The lawyers got to the Pit Stop first. Thanks! |
Realtvfan | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:56 pm     I just wish someone would take the Fast Forward, each show because I always want to see what it is. I'm thrilled the lawyers are gone, but why only a 30 + 7 minute penalty. Technically if the lawyers had gone back it would have taken them about 30 minutes to walk/skip/hop the distance. 30 minutes is not much of a penalty for missing that. Lawyers know about Triple damages. Next time, 90 minute penalties for any "ethical" lawyers in AR4. The "ethical" statement floored me. Let's start with the bad driving in the first show a month ago. Was that "ethical"? I could go on. Team Momily, in AR1, received a 24 hour penalty for using that private cab. Phil seems to be getting soft. |
Wilsonatmd | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:22 pm     Realtvfan, the Momily situation was different...In that case they delibrately skipped a Detour, which they had to do. Heather/Eve misread directions, and there's a difference. Several times in AR2 there were time penalties for not following directions correctly (teams drove on roads too fast, and got penalized the time gained plus 30 min)...but not as severe as 24 hours. Andre/Damon in leg 1 got penalized for not following the donkey cart route correctly, they got penalized the time advantage plus 30 minutes. I think this is considered a "minor" penalty, as opposed to skipping a Detour or Roadblock entirely, which is probably classified as a "major" penalty. |
Sadiesmom | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:30 pm     OK, I agree that the big mistake in this game was picking Eve as a partner. She was the whiney one. It was good that she got to jump, but even so, she did not have any enthusiasm. I really am starting to think that Heather let the Walk comment go by because she was tired of running with a partner who asks her to shoulder her own packed goods. I have friends that are lawyers and soe that are not. Some are smart and others, I swear cannot read. In other words Lawyers make a crosssection of our society. When I was divorced my lawyer was dumb and I should have had her brought up on ethics charges since she did not fullfill her contractual obligations, more work for me. All she had to do is have papers typed up (wrong several times) and sit next to me in court as I did the negotiation and the detailed research, but bitterness aside, on with the show. Heather knew she had to go back. I said that they could walk it because they would have been back before the last couple finished and they KNEW the way from the cab ride. |
Sadiesmom | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:43 pm     realtvfan, I think it would not have taken them more than 20 minutes, it was a mile and 1/2 not more. But it may have taken much longer for being tired. Remember that they came in 31 minutes before the others. So they probably had the time. |
Djgirl5235 | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 09:56 am     Sadie: The total time between the first place team and A&A was 31 minutes. Since they were penalized 37 minutes for taking the taxi they were eliminated, however, I know that it would have taken them max 20 minutes to walk a mile & a half to the pit stop since I do that every day and it usually takes me about 10 minutes for a mile, so 15 minutes, and that's at a leisurely pace... |
Sadiesmom | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 06:35 pm     So, Djgirl5235, you agree with me, that if they had gone back, they might have made it before last place. I am still going o the theory that Heather ha it with whiney Eve and could not listen to the carry my pack routine again. |
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