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Ginger

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 05:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Essence, I agree with you completely! I started out thinking these two would be cool, but the problem is they think they are just too cool. What on earth do they possibly have against the "brothers teams"? I hate watching people be mean and it seems that all they talk about is how much they dislike these four men who appear to be nothing but decent.

I was glad at the very end of last night's show that AA expressed some sympathy towards Heather and Eve, but did you see the looks on their faces while they were being told that indeed H/E were to be eliminated instead of them? Arianne was nodding her head and smirking, practically unable to keep from breaking into a big smile. I understand they were happy with the outcome, but where is their humility? Grace? Kindness? And if they have none of those things, manners?

I'm not fans of Heather and Eve, but I was sad to see AA stay.

Jane_Bond

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Grace and kindness when you have a chance to win $1M ? You've got to be kidding! I would'be done the T&T happy dance! There is nothing like being pulled from the brink when you can smell $1M in the air, even at the expense of others.

Wiseolowl

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whether it's a hundred or a million you're competing for ,there's nothing wrong with being being a graceful winner and sympathetic to the loser - it'a question of character and values. One more thing about these two - I'm getting more and more the impression that it's Arianne who's the lightening rod for the twin thing , the negativity and suspect Aaron is one of those people who follows along. On his own think he would be an okay guy.

Ginger

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 07:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not saying they shouldn't do the happy dance later. Of course they would be overjoyed at having a second chance based on an error of another team. But in the moment, when they saw that indeed they were going to get to stay and another team was going to be booted, they could have mustered some grace. Just my opinion of course!

Bastable

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Come on, folks! When did "character and values" enter into this? That's so unfair! All AA did was smile when they were told they weren't elminated after all! You'd smile, too.

No need to get moralistic over that. They smiled when they realized they were still in the game, and they said they didn't want to win "this way." What more do you want from them? If Aaron were to fall on his knees, gnash his teeth, and beg for H&H to stay in the game, would you be satisfied then?

Besides, how do we know what sort of grace they might have mustered--but the show's editors left on the cutting room floor? We all saw about 30 seconds of what was surely an hour-long event of high drama. Let's watch our TVs in context, and understand how it's put together!

Bastable

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
By the way, may I also give Aaron 10 points for at least making the effort to speak Portuguese in Portugal? Most of the other teams (with the sensitive exception of Ken and Gerard--the other half-gay team, it's interesting to note) just barked Spanish at those poor people.

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree, bastable.
plus, from what i saw on my edited program, A and
A smiled, as would any team, and then aaron got right up and hugged the gals.
usually, the other teams have moved off to wherever it is they go once they reach a pit stop. it isn't often one team watches another be eliminated, so how would we know what a 'normal' reaction is--especially if another team going gave you a 'stay'?
i would imagine fear, relief, compassion, elation and surprise would all be in there, in a jumble of thoughts.
it's not as if any team 'took' something from the law gals; they lost on their own.

Brenda1966

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Arianne had a smug/smirk on her face, not just a smile of joy at not being eliminated. She has an air of superiority about her that makes her unlikable, IMO.

I'm curious as to why she did the soccer thing. IT makes sense to me to put the larger, stronger man in there. Is he unable to see at all w/out his glasses?

I think she may bring out the worst in him. He seems like he could be fun away from her.

Ginger

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bastable, I usually agree with you, but not on this one. Part of it is that I just do not like the behavior/attitude of Arianne in particular. Like Brenda1966 said, she just seems to have an air of superiority about her. Plus she's so obsessed with the twins. (Admittedly, I'd probably forgive the smirky smile in other players though.) I was hoping the AA team would go last night. But it's just a game! Nice that we can spare about all this in such good humor here.

Jane_Bond

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't interpret that as smug - she seemed to be bursting to celebrate their turn of luck after knowing they had been eliminated, but Phil was talking so slowly as to draw out the drama. If a person thought that they wouldn't squirm and giggle the second they realised they had just gotten a $1M reprieve, well, a person would be deluding themselves to think that.

I think Arianne is far easier to take than Flo. Or Ian. I get the feeling that Arianne is a little rattled under the pressure and the whole twin bitching is her outlet. Let her have it, let her use that as her focus. At least she isn't degrading her partner the way Flo and Ian are.

I, too was surprised that Arianne did the goalie thing. It probably was the glasses factor. She must have been pretty damn tired that late at night, because she looked really frustrated and at the end of her rope.

Perhaps I forgive her more because she reminds me of me a little bit in her coping strategies, but I just think she is a typical young big city girl and despite her unpolished snark (she is not this year's Gary & Dave) she seems to have her head in the game.

Editted to add "more sense to have the bigger stronger man"? WTF? Sure, Aaron is marginally larger than Arianne, but there is no indication whatsoever to assume that Arianne isn't strong or accomplished in sports. In fact, when she went in the net, I just figured Aaron of the the long arms and slightly doughy figure was probably less sporty than Arianne.

Brenda1966

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As politically incorrect as it may be, it makes more sense to me to have the "bigger and stronger man" do the soccer thing. Arianne may be athletic, but she certainly wasn't showing the confidence of an athlete when she kept whining about how she couldn't do it. She looked ready to give up and walk away.

Maybe Aaron is a total clutz or maybe he's afraid of the ball, like I am, and wouldn't have been good at that at all. I just wish they'd explain to us some of these strategies that seem odd, like when Ian had Teri doing that pole throwing thing. Maybe Ian has a bad back or something. Also, when the one laywer was trying to drive the stick shift -- didn't the other one know how to drive one?

Still not liking A&A, although if he's afraid of the soccer ball I can sympathize. :)

Spear

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The teams have to choose the person to do the Roadblock before they find out what they're supposed to do. They do get a hint ("long arms") and I guess they could have seen what the other teams were doing on the field.

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
at our house, it would be myself or my daughter who would do the soccer thing. just more agile than the guys...although my husband would have a beer and great home-cooked meal waiting for me when i finished up. LOL

i still don't see arianne's look as 'smug' or a 'smirk'. i would like to see how any of us would have taken it, as the host sloooooowly led us around to what he was going to end with. maybe A and A thought they would all 4 be out, maybe they thought they would find out they were the ones out after all, by mere seconds...and then the dawning realization that it's the other group out. i'd be smiling, too.
and the main twin comments i heard last night were from flo's team, weren't they?
i don't see any team guidos or wil and tara's out there so far... but i see frank and margarita (sp?) in ian and teri.

for myself, i think i will sit back and see what happens when they are down to 4 or 5 teams. right now i am making decisions and totally turning them around from episode to episode! i love a team one week and hate them the next?! i didn't care for the lawyer gals from the start, and ian is pretty consistent, but i think i need to give everyone else a chance. when i think of being on the show, all the stresses that can't possibly be cut down to 44 minutes each week for the tv viewing public, people who would hate me because of my age, or body or accent or because of one statement i made...it's kind of scary!!

Calamity

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I admit that I'm not feeling any love for A&A but it was nice that Aaron didn't turn on Arianne. With all the ugly things we've heard other teams (past & present) bark at each other, that was refreshing. I just wish they'd let up on the snarky remarks about the twins and brothers.

I heard at least one team speaking Spanish to a cab driver, too. Wrong country, but at least they attempted something besides talking very loud in English :).

I played soccer as kid/teen and while being tall with long limbs certainly can be an advantage for a goalie, it's even more important to be quick on your feet. You can usually tell by how the kicker approaches the ball where it's going to go. Arianne's problem wasn't so much that she was short, she just looked too tired and tense to move quick enough.

Jane_Bond

Monday, October 28, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Calamity, you said it.

Actually, I'm surprised they weren't allowed gloves like the fellows in the "real" footie games get! Those big paws would've helped!

Now, in my family, the husband is a former footie and hockey goalie, so the choice, once we got onto a football field, would be obvious. But, if they'd had to go to Dodger Stadium and whack a couple of balls around a baseball diamond, well, my bigger, stronger hubby would be at a distinct disadvantage, because while he has a nice stroke up the third base line, I have a stronger, farther hit, with actual placement ability than his.

My point as supported by Calamity and TabbyKing is that "bigger stronger man" is a grossly naiive assumption for games of physical skill.

Brenda1966

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Jane for pointing out how "grossly naiive" I am about soccer. For the game of football, being "bigger and stronger" is a benefit, and if someone were trying to block in football, the bigger player would probably be chosen over the petite one. I think your point is that this isn't true in soccer, that it's more important to be quick or agile? Point taken.

Is it the fact I said "man" what's bothering you? If it had been a two woman team and I had questioned why the "bigger stronger woman" wasn't doing the task would this have bothered you as much?

Just as you say there's no evidence to show that Arianne isn't athletic, I failed to see the evidence to show that she was. I think my question, as to why she was doing the event and he wasn't, is still valid. Hopefully they'll be last this week so they can come here and answer for themselves. :)

Djgirl5235

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can I just say that after seeing one of the twins get bonked in the face, that I wouldn't have done the challenge because I wear glasses and can't see a darn thing without them - perhaps that's the case for Aaron?

Fanny

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whew! For a minute there I thought I'd wandered into the BB3 area!

Tabbyking

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 05:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i thought their video showed arianne was the more athletic of the two. also, i didn't read it as jane meaning anything personal about brenda; the comeback was pretty strong, however! i had to duck!

Hummingbird

Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Editing or no, I just don't care for that girl.
You can be competitive without being downright obnoxious.

Brenda1966

Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 05:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Tabby, she keeps quoting me over and over and then called me grossly naive. Seemed to be aimed squarely at me.

Anyway, I thought we were here to bash on the players, not each other. :) Guess it's an "agree to disagree" kind of situation.

I'm with you Hummingbird.

Kitt

Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else see the latest ad for tonight's show? A&A are definitely one of the four groups who put unleaded fuel in their diesel car (the other groups were Michael & Kathy, Flo & Zach, and Teri & Ian). Unless there's something that equalises the teams they are going to be so far behind the others. A friend put diesel in her unleaded car once and they had to have the entire fuel system cleaned out in a special area because the petrol/diesel mix is so combustible, it took HOURS. I hope the producers don't give them an easy option that catches them up to the other teams.

Bastable

Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No one better make fun of Aaron for crying. It was a perfectly human reaction. I probably would have, too. He thought the game was lost, and he was stranded in the middle of the night, in the dark, in a foreign country, with a car he thought he totalled.

Not1worry

Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aaron did more crying tonight than Peach did the whole race last time. Not that I blame him. I'm glad they didn't give up, even though I don't like them. Did anyone figure out how many hours behind they were?

Tabbyking

Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i am not here to bash players or posters. i just think you overreacted, that's all. it may have seemed to be aimed squarely at you, but i really don't think jane meant it 'personally'. i'm sorry you took it that way!