Archive through December 16, 2002
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Archive through December 16, 2002
Brenda1966 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:38 am     Wiseowl, I can see why some men would find her seductive and attractive. She can turn the sex appeal on when she wants. It sickens me that men fall for this, but that's another rant for another day. I loved it when she said "I'm tired of having to scream!" Okay, then stop! Hasn't she figured out that screaming at Zach isn't helping? She yells at him to hurry up, then when he takes the lead and walks away first, she yells at him for leaving her behind. She can't make up her mind. She's a very immature girl. Everything is Zach's fault. When he does something she doesn't like she then pouts about it and keeps whining about it ad nauseam. Zach's little stunt of not switching to her line would have ticked me off too, but I can't blame Zach for countering with this to get some power and to punish her. A person can only take so much until they try to fight back. It's amazing they have gone this far because they're not working together at all now. Flo is not the sharpest tool in the shed. When she saw the brothers trying to get on the boat without a bike she then tells them to go get a bike because she doesn't want them on her boat? Duh?! If she had let them get on the boat they would have been stuck there and then forced to go back and get a bike. They think she helped them on purpose, but she did it inadvertantly. |
Car54 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:53 am     I think Zack just wants her to shut up and let him go home. The fair thing would to have either let both brother teams get on the boat and let Phil send both back...or tell them both and let them race back to get their bikes. That is what I am mad about. Flo is a <>. She better not win. |
Essence | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 09:03 am     Car, did Flo see the twins while they (Flo & Zach) were on the boat? I thought they only saw Ken & Gerard. That's why I didn't think she was favoring one team over the other. If she had seen the twins before they got on the boat with no bike, I'm sure she would have told them just as she did the brothers. She did tell them once she saw them at the pit stop. |
Car54 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 09:40 am     ok, I am done with TAR for this race. That is it. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 09:55 am     The twins on the early show explained that we didn't see the TIME involved in that last leg; the twins and the brothers were lost looking for the box for a couple of hours. Since the twins had arrived there way ahead of Flo and Zach but where their taxi stopped was at a place where they couldn't see the box and they had the address in Vietnamese and all the helpful locals were sending them the wrong way.. So the twins say that Flo thought that the baldbrothers were the last ones and that often when someone was definitely going to be last, others would help them because otherwise there would be problems (he didn't explain that but maybe they all have to wait at times for the last to come in). Anyway the twins are convinced that Flo was just trying to get the leg finished by helping the brothers and that she would have thought the twins were far ahead of her. In fact the twins said that if Flo hadn't told the brothers to get the bikes that the twins figure they could still be wandering around in Vietnam I said WAY back that at times Flo is correct in her criticisms of Zack, but that she's so continually strident that the world stops listening.. if you spew negativity (or in her case 90% negative then being the happiest girl in the world) all the time .. when you are right, it falls on deaf ears. Actually Flo could have gone to look for a cab instead of just fuming. |
Guinevere | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 10:04 am     As loathsome as I find Flo's constant whining, I could almost be more sympathetic to her if that was the only problem I had with her - the race is stressful, to be sure, and I'm not sure I wouldn't be the basket case she seems to be most of the time. What really bugs me about Flo is her whining combined with her absolute stone-around-Zach's-neck uselessness. She's done what, one roadblock? She has the attitude of a girl who thinks she's hot and expects to be waited on hand and foot. She gives girls and women a bad name. In contrast to kickass Jill, her helpless little girl routine is even more disgusting. I really can't stand her. As for Zach being passive-aggressive, I don't know. He may be part of the dynamic, but I think Flo is the one that gets it rolling and keeps it rolling. I don't know that there is necessarily a better way to deal with her. I don't blame him for shutting down. I didn't like him much at first, but I do think now that he has the patience of a saint for not hauling off and smacking her (as I have wanted to do SO MANY times these past few weeks). I would hate for her to win anything, but I think he deserves something for what she's put him through. I suspect he hadn't seen this side of her before, and had no idea what he was getting into when he signed up for the race. |
Bastable | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 10:53 am     Flo did the right thing in tipping Ken and Gerard off about the cyclos. Funny thing was, she did it before she had time to think about it. She just blurted out the key to the challenge. She may be neurotic, but that proved that deep down, when she doesn't have time to edit or overthink everything she does, she's a decent person. Doesn't make her any less annoying, of course. But I appreciated the hint of her essential nature that shone through last night. It was a giving thing to do. |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:44 am     I politely disagree Bastable. When Flo told them to go get the bikes, it was not to be decent, it was to get rid of them and make sure they weren't on "her boat". She wasn't trying to give them a hint or help, she was trying to ditch them. Her essential nature seems to be "me, me, me". Hopefully it's just immaturity and she'll grow out of it. |
Bastable | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:27 pm     Brenda, that doesn't make sense to me. If Flo really wanted to screw over K&G, she would have ENCOURAGED them get on the boat, since they didn't have their cyclos and they'd have to return, thereby probably losing. |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:07 pm     It doesn't make sense because you're thinking. Flo isn't that bright. No, I don't think she wanted to "screw" them over. (I don't think that's her nature -- she's too worried about "me, me, me".) She just wanted to make sure they didn't get on the same boat as her. She wasn't thinking enough to realize that if they got on the boat they couldn't beat her anyway because they didn't have their bike yet. |
Lumbele | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:16 pm     Zach would try my patience, too. He is in a race presumably to win, but takes no initiative. Curtesy *can* be combined with a little 'elbow'. What has Flo done however to win this race? Aside from that!(I could here your answer all the way up here.LOL) Most of the "work" (roadblocks) was done by Zach (however leisurely). The fact that the twins didn't see her -itchy side during the race doesn't surprise me. When she wants to I am sure she can turn on the charm faucet and have poor souls like Owl et al swoon at her stompin' feet. Unfortunately for Zach, she feels too comfortable and familiar with him to see the need to be 'nice'. Whoever said Zach deserves some damages for pain and suffering is right (paid by Flo, not CBS), but I don't think he deserves to win this race. |
Whoami | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:22 pm     One phrase popped into my head last night as I was watching Flo's traditional outbursts. I was thinking at the same time, "how can Drew be attracted to this?" Then a phrase came into mind...."Drew and the Shrew" see them next on the Early Show... . Hope that doesn't get moderated. Calling her a shrew isn't all that bad. Here's my American Heritage Dictionary definition of the word. shrew (shr›) n. 1. Any of various small, chiefly insectivorous mammals of the family Soricidae, resembling a mouse but having a long, pointed snout and small eyes and ears. Also called shrewmouse. 2. A woman with a violent, scolding, or nagging temperament; a scold. [Middle English shrewe, villian, from Old English scr¶awa, shrewmouse.] If Flo isn't "a woman with a violent, scolding, or nagging temperament" I don't know what she is! |
Lumbele | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:26 pm     Whoami, now all she needs is the right fella to tame her. Somehow I don't think Drew fits the bill.LOL |
Fruitbat | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 03:47 pm     I think some of you are not seeing the entire picture. I will defend Flo until the end. My take is archived now and no need to repeat. She is OK. There is a dynamic here to consider. Zach is NOT a prize. |
Max | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 04:21 pm     I don't think either of them are a prize. I just think continuing to harp on Zach and whine and complain and cry goes on way too long with her. It's done. Get over it. Move on. Hope for another "equalizer" in the game or a misstep by one of the other teams. Concentrate on what you CAN control ahead of you instead of what you CAN'T control behind you. It just irritates me how she goes on and on. Of course, maybe she's a victim of the editing, in which case, I place my irritation at the feet of the production company/editors.  |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 04:22 pm     Fruit, I don't recall Zach doing any passive aggressive stunts like the refusing to switch lines in the early weeks of TAR, but maybe I just wasn't noticing it. Zach has been supportive of her when she was scared to do the stunts. Whereas, whenever anything has gone wrong Flo has blamed Zach and yelled at him over and over. She also acted like a 4 year old when she thought they were going to lose and threw off her bike helmet and refused to hurry up, get in the boat, and peddle. Zach isn't perfect, but Flo takes the cake on bad behavior. I think Zach's acting up is a response to her poor behavior after he's put up with all he can take and can't ignore it anymore. I do agree that he's not aggressive enough or competitive enough for this race and paired with another probably would have been eliminated long ago. |
Kitt | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 04:29 pm     I think Zach rubs Flo the wrong way, by his nature, not by intent. Lately he does seem to be getting more passive aggressive though, but really who can blame him, like he said, if he "loses it" (I think that was his phrase) the race would be over for them. I think he's just had enough, and looking forward (again, like he said) to not having Flo shout at him ever again! Like Ian, Flo does NOT act well under pressure, I don't think there's any getting around that fact. It doesn't make her a bad person, but she really does need to grow up and not act the helpless child all the time. Either that or not put herself into such situations!! |
Tabbyking | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:00 pm     remember, they have only ever taken one 24-hour trip to boston from new york. (which kind of confused me, as boston is only 250 miles from new york city, so they must have meant from somewhere in the state of new york other than the city itself? or maybe being with flo made the 4 hours seem like 24?) at any rate, hardly enough time traveling together to see how things would be for a long journey, and a race, no less. they seem totally mismatched as a boyfriend-girlfriend couple, but she could just dig in and get through the race as his 'friend' or partner and see if they could win some money. i think that's what has me stumped: why they don't just work hard together for the end result? if flo put as much energy into the race as she does screaming at zach, they may do better and would certainly feel better about working together. i think they are doing well, even with flo not doing some of the quicker (scarier) things over the many days of the race. he was very fair to her and did not tease her or scream at her to 'just do it for God's sake!'...he took the slower, easier (but longer) routes for her...i just don't know why she isn't appreciative at all... i think if zach had been with a partner who wasn't as nervous about the tasks as flo is, they might be way ahead of the whole game. zach would probably have bungee jumped and would definitely have rappeled that cliff. hard to say for sure, though, as there seemed to be so many 'leveling' fields due to times places opened, etc. |
Wargod | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:41 pm     I hate to say it, but race or no race, if she was my partner, I would have asked the cab driver to pull over while she was yelling at me and left her sitting there. Hubby remarked tonight that it was amazing to him Zach didn't just start yelling back at her. Said Zach was doing a great job keeping his calm, LOL. They probably would be a little bit further ahead if she would focus her energy in a more positive way. |
Jane_Bond | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:08 pm     You know that Flo face: the look of anger and terror all at once that makes her look like she has a congential mental deficiency? My SIL has that look and I HATE her! High strung, nothing's her fault, -itches and moans when there is a "roadblock" in life as if she were entitled to have the world handed to her, waiting on other people to fix life for her, constantly making screeching noises (whether it's talk or complaint, but mostly its complaint). Anyway, when I am around her it takes aobut 5 minutes for my skin to start crawling and then I spend the rest of the time with her feeling violent anger and having the urge to choke her while screaming "Shut-up! Shut-up" over and over like a maniac. (Extreme, I know, but it's the truth) That's how Flo makes me feel. It's really hard to watch her scenes. |
Tabbyking | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 05:35 pm     jane, my SIL was an only child...so how did we end up with same one? |
Bastable | Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 06:34 pm     Remember how Tara pretty much threw the race last season in order to spite Wil? How she just lost juice and gave up at the home stretch, probably to punish him for his miserable behavior? I think Zach has that in him. Zach may just give up during the home stretch, to spite Flo. Teri has the possibility of doing this, too, although I think she may perk up when she smells the money. |
Ladytex | Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 07:46 pm     I can see Zach doing this, but I cannot see Teri doing it. I think she gives as good as she gets. |
Crossfire | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:39 pm     I am curious, has the Flo and Zack team had the misfortune of winning a cruise after the show yet? Can you just imagine...it would like being punished for doing something right. |
Crazydog | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:47 pm     No they haven't. The only time they finished first was in Germany when they took the Surfer fast forward. They won those crappy digital cameras for their efforts. I think the teams that have won cruises are Ken/Gerard (first episode), John Vito/Jill (second Switzerland leg), Derek/Drew (Singapore) and Teri/Ian (Vietnam). |
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