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Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well...the first episode shouldn't be indicitive of what will happen, as baseball messed the ratings up, especially in NY and California.

As expected, Bachelor 2 hurt the show somewhat...AR3 got a 5.8/9, which was 4th for the timeslot. West Wing was first w/ a 10.9/17, Bachelor 2 got 7.6/12 and baseball got 6.8/11....5.8 was about what the show was doing last March....

Next week, the ratings might be slightly better, depending on what teams make it to the second round of the playoffs (The game will either be Game 1 of the NLCS or Game 2 of the ALCS)....A key point might be 2 weeks from now. If the ALCS doesn't go to the max 7 games, Fox will be airing reruns of their shows in the Wednesday night timeslots then. Even after baseball,Fox's show in the 9pm slot ("Fastlane") was averaging only about a 5.5 rating, so I figure the ratings should go up after the World Series.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I was wrong.....AR3 actually got worse, a 5.3, which made if fifth for the timeslot. Bachelor got 8.5. The killer was actually the WB, of all things. Birds of Prey got a 6.4 in their 70-minute premiere; that should go down. Fox had baseball, again; that should go down, because if the Twins/Angels don't go 7, Fox will have reruns next week.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
another update...rumors are that CBS is considering switching timeslots between 60 Minutes 2 and AR3, if the ratings stay like this.(which if it happened, would put AR3 Wednesdays at 8 Eastern) No danger of being pulled from the sched so far, however, and I think an 8PM slot might be better.

(I think the ratings will stabilize after the Series, and Birds of Prey got a big look in because of the hype of the longer than normal ep. Next week should be better.)

Lancecrossfire

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think anything up against West Wing is going to have problems. The fan base is too well establsihed and nothing will pull them away.

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well, for myself, i have never seen one minute of west wing, and never missed more than 10 minutes of an A.R. episode--and that's only when i had to run out and pick up my son from his college class because he wasn't old enough to drive yet last year! it was like, 'get in the car, hang on, shut up, buckle up and let's go!'

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's not WW that's hurting the show, its Bachelor 2 mainly. Bach2 is taking viewers away from both AR3 and WW; both shows are down about 10% More importantly, Bach2 is winning the 18-49's the crucial demo.

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
gosh, i have no desire to see bachelor2. i managed to survive not seeing a minute of bachelor1! that would be the one i taped if i had to watch both it and amazing race.
i wonder about their nielsen reports sometimes. i never knew anyone who was called or kept a schedule of what they watched for them...they can't be that accurate...can they?!

Meggieprice

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did watch Bachelor 1 but feel like it has been done....and it was no contest for me- I tape West Wing, which I do love, and watch AR... We have 3 VCRs,LOL!

Lumbele

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my neck of the woods, the Canadian channel shows WW one hour before TAR, so I get to watch both. Lucking out for a change.LOL

Sunriverose

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And I am sooooo happy that tho I'm in California, our CBS station does a wierd thing and shows what should be 8:00 shows at 7:00, so I get to watch AR, then Bachelor. I just moved to this area and really can't figure out what's with this central/mountain time zone thing in Sacramento. But I'm really happy. I do think that moving AR to the 8:00 slot and moving 60 min II to 9:00 would be a very smart move. However, I don't know what it would be against at 8:00.

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wow, i am only 110 miles south of you and i don't get my shows at 7:00. you are so lucky!

Crazydog

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't believe that the Bachelor is outdrawing TAR. I hope they move TAR to a better timeslot. If Big Brother can do well in the slot (albeit against West Wing re-runs) then surely TAR, a vastly superior show, deserves a better chance. Also I believe the Bachelor is only 7 episodes right? What goes in its place after it is over?

Ryn

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hey now.....

Careful with the BB bashing ;)

I too have been recording one and watching the other (or both and watching them later).

They would be smart to change times so they are not competing for the same market).

West Wing has nothing interesting for me. Bachelor hasn't been THAT great (how much drama can one guy watch??).

Wilsonatmd

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ryn, it's not the guys that are watching, it's the gals. Bach2 has a huge percentage of women 18-34.

Crazydog, If they don't do any recap shows, but have a show with the rejected women, Bach2 will end last week of November. AR3 will go to the end of December.

There's an interesting article that says Wednesdays at 9 is the most competitive timeslot this season so far. The biggest winner? AOL/Time Warner, as they own most of the shows in the timeslot

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Slightly better news for week 3....AR3 got a 5.9, bringing it up to third for the timeslot. Birds of Prey went down as expected, and Fox had a rerun of Fastlane on. Bach2 got a 9.5, so I think this is about what were looking at the rest of the way, barring a timeslot switch. However, next weeks ep goes against game 4 of the World Series, so there might be more problems then.

Bastable

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's interesting to note that The West Wing's (NBC) ratings are down 25% for their first three episodes this season. There seems to be some kind of shake-up going on. It bodes well for TAR.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well no matter how the shows spin it, Bach2 is taking viewers away from all the shows, especially women 18-34, a key demographic. WW has a lot of older and more affluent viewers, and AR3 seems to be doing OK in 18-49's, the ones who spend the money. Bach 2 has been gaining viewers every episode, and it looks like it's at WW's expense, at least for now.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well it looks to be same old, same old.....AR3 got third place for the timeslot with a 5.7. B2 got 10.2, WW got 12.7. An encouraging thing is the 18-49's...it went up from a 3.0 to a 3.4 in the 2nd half-hour and beat Fox in that area. (WW stayed the same and amazingly, B2 went from a 6.9 to a 7.8 between half hours...) The show seems to be holding pretty much at the same levels all season so far no improvement, but no erosion, which is good because of B2....

No ep next week because of the CMA Awards. AR3 might be able to make some ground up in 2 weeks, as B2 has the "rejects return to talk special" that week (no new action, but who knows), and the finale on the 20th (so that week might be bad)...the AR3 has their last eps to themselves until their 2-hour finale 12/18 (and I suspect the ep on the 27th might be 2 hours because if I have it figured right, that would be in a non-elimination time frame followed by an elimination, and its the night before a holiday)

Cute1073

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wierd, I just tape them all, then I see them all! More people should have two vcrs like me he he

Sbw

Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tonight will be interesting. AR won't be on opposite the Bachelor. I think it will do better in the earlier time slot. (But I guess it really doesn't matter as long we have another AR.)

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The two hourshow did OK...not great but OK. 1st hour place third, behind ABC's Whitney Houston interview and West Wing, 2nd hour placed 2nd, behind Law and Order. the ratings improved every half-hour, and so did the 18-49 ratings.

Wilsonatmd

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
rumors are abound that AR4 will be in a different timeslot in the spring...CBS doesn't want to go against Bachelor 3 and Bachelorette, which is smart. But instead of staring it at 8PM, which I think is a good idea, they are considering going to 10PM, because the 2nd half of the two hour show did so well. I don't know about this....I think Amazing Race is Family-Friendly, and it's perfect for an 8PM time slot....but CBS doesn't have a good 10PM show right now, and ABC is tanking there....They know they can't beat Law and Order, but they might have a strong 2nd place show....we'll see...

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wilson, I agree that it's a great show for the 8 pm slot. Nothing too extreme for prime time, and as you say, lends well to family-friendly. Fridays wouldn't work at all, as proven by The Mole. Seems like folks who like such shows have things they'd rather do on weekend nights.

I'd like to see them air it right befor Big Brother. I think that would boost the numbers wtaching both shows--especially since folks wouldn't have to commit two different nights for the two shows.

Tabbyking

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
my kids would be really upset if it went to a 10:00 p.m. slot. it is hard enough to get up for school the next morning when they watch the show at 9:00. i think 8:00 would be great! it definitely is a great 'family' watching show. we all have our favorites and it is fun to watch together.
i am totally amazed that anyone would watch bachelor or bachelorette or whatever rather than TAR. i saw about 20 minutes of the 'bachelorettes in alaska' and i was so ashamed of the entire premise that i not only didn't like it, but would be embarrassed to say i watched it! how degrading to put both women and men out there like hunks of meat. sheesh! i had to brush my teeth twice to get the bad taste out of my mouth!