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Tntitanfan

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am genuinely not a physically agressive person, and I am SURE I could slap Flo silly - or perhaps sillier!

Webkitty

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Her parents must be mortified.
I expect to see some real tension between Zach and Flo tonight.
How uncomfortable for Zach to have to put up with the Drew thing.
If Flo and Drew are still "together" and Flo and Zach win this thing, I imagine it would be so unconfortable for poor Zach to make the rounds of post show interviews and have to interact with her. ack!

Wiseolowl

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Haven't posted for a long time on any TVC boards - I think it's a guy thing - most of the posters these days are female - having a hard time identifying - but just a comment - Flo to me is not just unlikeable - she is terrifying - why ? believe it or not she is terribly SEXY. She is like a moth drawing a male to a fire. When she wants to lure somebody she is irresistible - and that's scary. Can't recall the twin she is seducing - but if I were in his shoes I think I would get sucked in!!!

Tabbyking

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i would just hope zach shows up with some woman on his arm who is attentive, loving, kind--and who has perfected the 'smirk' which flo so 'bichly' deserves.

and another thing, for drew to think on...flo came on to him while she was with someone else. how long before drew has to deal with her being onto the next guy right in front of him?

years ago, a nurse i worked with had an affair with a prominent physician. he always said he would leave his wife, she didn't understand him, he had to wait until the kids were grown, etc. he paid this nurse's rent, bought her a car with vanity plates (can't put it here, but suffice it to be the equivalent of 'love of my life') and showered her with jewels and trips. after about 8 years, he DID divorce the wife and then proposed to the nurse. she told him, "not on your life. if i was the other woman, how could i ever believe there was not going to be an 'other woman' in our marriage." lol

Car54

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wiseowl, I am scared for you.

Wiseolowl

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Car I'm scared for myself!! But thanks for car54ing!!

Car54

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wiseowl, you need to hang with the girls on this board more...we will wise you up about girls like Flo.

Halfunit

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr. Owl, I see your point - and it wouldn't be a bad thing, if Zach weren't in the picture.

I agree with Car - hang with us! We'll learn ya!!

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Wiseolowl

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For you theologians out there - does Bible prophesy state that 666 has to be necessarily a male?

Ozarktracy

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 08:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I sincerely hope that for Whiney Girl's sake that she's seeing herself on tv, with open eyes, and is mortified. Unless, of course, they win, in which case, she'll probably take all the credit, and will probably be saying crap like if she hadn't "pushed" Zach, they never would have won. But, even if she is giggling/shoving people out of her way to the bank to cash in her winnings, I hope she does some soul searching and works on her temper/personality.

Meanwhile, I'm crossing my fingers that SHE doesn't win!! I know this means that Zach also wouldn't win, but I think he'll be ok. I'm sure there will be a lot of females who will want to show him that not all women are <> like his teammate. <>

I can't stand Ian and Terri but at this point I prefer them over FLO. And the brothers aren't that awful to have in the final three. Maybe they can win this thing!

Seattlemom

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my gosh I hope she watches these episodes and sees How winney she comes across I wouldnt be surprised if he never sees her again after this LOL I agree wwith Ozarktracy Please I hope the brothers win!

Allietex

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think tonight's show probably showed Ian as he really is. Remember, they can edit these shows to make any team look good or bad so people will choose favorites. Maybe even John Vito and Jill had bad moments that were not shown and until tonight they never showed Ian and Terri in anything but a bad light. Doesn't mean there weren't good things about them.

Tonight, Ian appeared to be a goodhearted and thoughtful man. He had returned to a place where he had a horrible experience and still liked the place, the people, and the culture. He was polite and interacted with the locals in a more mature way that any of the other groups have done in any of the other countries.

I am rooting for them, and not just because they are better than the other teams left, but because they have done what they have to do in a focused and no nonsense fashion.

Jimmer

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Allietex, I couldn't agree more. I'd type something further but I'd just be repeating what you said.

Sadiesmom

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I could not believe it when Flo took credit for them getting so far, like Zack was a dead weight, just because he did not cut in the line. I did see that ans passive aggressive like everyone else, but possibly, he just did not want to stand by her for one more minute than he had to. Didn't he do almost every roadblock for this team?

Azlen

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a male and I don't find Flo at all sexy. She's got an okay body but not much after that.
Then when she opens her mouth any thought of sexiness goes right out the window. What makes it even worse for her is that she was on the same show as Jill, who is sexy in every way that Flo is not.

Max

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I'm sick to death of Flo. The girl needs to get OVER it! Geez, EVERY leg of the race has places where you get equalized. None of them ever seem to remember that. Whining and whining and whining about what she perceives as a mistep by Zack sure won't get her there faster.

I have to wonder what she thinks of her behaviour as she's watching the episodes on TV. EEK!

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 04:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Her behavior is poor, to be sure. But Zack is no pillar of virture either. He is passive in a game that requires action at every turn. Not wanting to take cuts was curious. Flo *asked* to cut in. If I were in line and saw a TV crew following a couple I would let them in. If you are going to sign up, play hard.

The more passive he becomes the wilder she acts. They are polarizing each other. Zack is part of this dynamic. Flo is not acting out in a vacuum. This is not uncommon behavior. Passive aggression is insidious.

Djgirl5235

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 04:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat - I have to agree with you. I'm going to be the other side of the coin here for a minute.

Last night as my sweet boyfriend and I were watching, Flo started screeching in the cab, and just generally pouting, and I looked at my sweetie and said "I could never go on this show because I would be just like her." He grinned at me and agreed. I'm a fairly even-tempered girl most of the time, however, when I'm in a stressful situation, and I've planned things out one way and they go another, I tend to lose it pretty quickly. I have a lack of patience for passive agressive people, and I am proud to know myself so well, to admit that I have the tendencies to be just as much a <> as she has been...

That being said, I would NEVER pick up someone else and forsake my teammate...that is behaviour that I cannot condone, but the rest of her behaviour I can definitely relate to (unfortunately for me!)

Webkitty

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, I agree with everything you said. The more she screeches, the more he pulls back, its his way of control.

One thing that stuck out at me last night, was when she was fussing about him refusing to make any move to help them move along in line.

He came back with the comment that she had refused to repel or bungee jump or sky dive, etc.
She did make a good point that these things had real physical dangers.
Politely asking to be allowed to move up in line with his racing partner didn't involve physical danger and had no comparison.
Yes, passive agressive jumped to my mind also.

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also think they have made it this far because of Flo. Had Zach teamed with someone as passive as he they would have been out weeks ago.

I think Flo's frustration with Zack has played a part in her reaching out toward Drew. She is feeling pretty lonely at this point in the game. She and Zach are not communicating well. :)

There are psychology books written about the dynamic they are illustrating. It is very common.

Essence

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that the more Flo rants, and rants, and rants, and rants...the more Zach pulls back. I don't know if it's a way to control, or a rebellion thing. It's like that's his way of tuning her off or something. It could be that he's passive, or he's just pissed. I agree sometimes he pulls back at the wrong time, but I don't see Flo's yelling helping the situation any. It certainly doesn't make him move any faster or do anything different, as evidenced last night when he didn't jump line. Zach does things when Zach wants to.

This couple reminds me so much of Lenny & Karen from the 1st Amazing Race. It's the same kind of dynamics. The only difference is we didn't have to listen to Karen's screeching "Lennnnnny" as long as we have to put up with Flo whining. Although Zach's bulb does seem to be a little bit brighter than Lenny's.

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Zack is in control here and acting the victim to her emotional outbursts. Unless they get a chance to understand what is going on between them Flo will remain the "bad" guy and their friendship will suffer.

Unfortunatley Flo will be viewed as the <> and Zach the poor unfortunate nice guy.

Wiseolowl

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azlen - I know what you mean and I agree- but I'm looking at her through Drew's eyes - not as we really know her. He doesn't see the witchiness of this woman. She is pretty, has a seductive voice, and the way she comes across to Drew is sexy and seductive... Just looking at the situation objectively - and she is dangerrrrooous!

Car54

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wiseowl, you are gonna need to change that nickname if you keep this up.

Seductive voice? Ew....

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hold onto your stance Wise! Be strong. She has a Julia Roberts look about her too. I was struck with that last night.

Drew is a different person, maybe he will communicate with her better and not leave her confused and frustrated. She has not a clue that Zack is as angry as she and just showing it differently.

If she and Drew were partners in this race, I bet he would have taken cuts with her.