Are Lenny and Karen on the Early show this a/m?

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Sunshinemiss

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:14 am Click here to edit this post
Howdy east coasters, were Lennnny and Karen on the Early show this a/m? I have been keeping half an eye on the show and have not seen them yet, now I am getting nervous that I have missed them.. are they on and if so, approx. how far into the show? Thanks!

Judy

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:23 am Click here to edit this post
Yes they were on @ 8:30 AM
I only caught the last minute of the interview-it is usually up on the Early SHow website by the end of the day.

Sunshinemiss

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:24 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks Judy, appreciate it.

Crazydog

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:43 am Click here to edit this post
Yes they were. I think others have posted some snippets about what they said, but here's a recap of the whole thing.

Jane first asked if they were still together. They said no. Jane looked surprised. They both said that it was not the show that split them apart, but that there were bigger issues. Karyn admitted that they had their share of problems in the race, mainly because she's very competitive. She had been out of the country before, Lenny had not so he was always enjoying the scenery. Lenny said he thought that they were unfairly edited. Karyn said there were times when she would yell at Lenny but they both knew it was a joke, and what was edited about was KAryn laughing about it. She also said that Lenny yelled back, which was not shown. [I suppose that's why Lenny always looked so meek.]

As for the Guido incident at the airport, Lenny thinks the Guidos go too far and that they overstep boundaries. When Karyn confronted them at the Hoof monument, she had spoken with Nancy before and knew that the Guidos would lie about it, so she took a camera crew with her to make sure it got documented on tape. [good for you Karyn]

In India, at the road block, Karyn was the first to reach that man, but he didn't open the box to show her the Taj Mahal, he just gave her the piece of paper. If she had seen the Taj Mahal she would have known to go to Agra. Lenny said it was horrible seeing kids who were blind, maimed, etc. and felt really bad.

Karyn is apparently not working right now, so she has been very active with the Red Cross [remember they are from the NYC area - they showed clips of her answering phones, etc.] She is on the Board of Directors for the REd Cross of metropolitan New Jersey. She has been volunteering 12-14 hours a week for fundraising. She said that what is going on right now is much more important than a race for $1 million.

The interview ended with Jane telling them to stay friends, at which Karyn said they are still friends.

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I know a lot of posters here didn't like Karyn from the beginning, but I always liked her. She knew what she wanted and was consistently held back by Lenny. When Lenny got them lost on the Eiffel Tower/ Notre Dame fiasco, if it were me I probably would have slugged him. He deserved the berating he got for not being honest with her and telling her he didn't see anything. Good for her for not letting that cab driver take advantage of her - it disgusts me when locals in other countries try to take advantage of visitors - what kind of message does this send other than avoid that country? Last night, when Karyn screamed that she had to do everything, it was certainly true. She had to do everything on the show, and probably in their relationship as well. When she told host guy that their relationship was not going to work, my first reaction was a Janice-style O.M.G. But I wasn't surprised. She was very frank and honest, and you have to respect her for not being influenced by the presence of cameras and speaking her mind.

Sallycat

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 09:30 am Click here to edit this post
Well he wasn't a blind date....SHE picked him!
She gives the impression (and I mean this morning) that she has an exaggerated sense of self worth. A real lady would have kept her knees together on national tv. I think her defenses of her behavior, show that she learned nothing by looking at her self on the show. I hope Lenny can move on, and perhaps look at his attraction for difficult women.

Car54

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 10:04 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks for posting this. Without discussing Karyn, I felt really bad for Lenny last night. I have had a feeling that he had been "cast" as the "dumb guy" and edited accordingly, and it appears that that is true. Without trying to judge their relationship, I was sort of disappointed in the show for showing the post elimination interview. No one deserves to get dumped before millions-even if they are a dumb guy. I guess it was just "good TV".
Sounds like they both have moved on tho, and I am glad they are still friends.

Crazydog

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 11:59 am Click here to edit this post
Car54, I have to respectfully disagree. There's only so much editing that can be done. Someone before was saying that the Guidos were edited to be the bad guy. Was Lenny edited to be the dumb guy? I don't think you can be edited to look a certain way unless you actually did those things. You have to admit that the Eiffel Tower thing was pretty dumb. Now, were there moments when Lenny was actually smart? We don't know, because we haven't seen them. Somehow I doubt it. But even if he had done things that made him look smart, he still did things that were dumb. I recognize that people make mistakes, but when you make them repeatedly and have a puzzled, confused, "remember to breathe" expression on your face the rest of the time, forgive me for saying he's dumb.

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:04 pm Click here to edit this post
I am with you Crazydog. "remember to breathe expression" Ohhhhhh, that is priceless.

Car54

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:09 pm Click here to edit this post
Crazydog, I see your point, and I don't know how dumb he actually IS...I guess it doesn't really matter to me, I just don't want to see anybody, even dumb guys humiliated.

I know he signed up for it, but being the dumb optimist I can be sometimes, I have really liked this show because it focusses on the teamwork and the game, and it hasn't seemed personal (we have seen good and bad stuff from almost all of the players).
The camera doesn't lie...he did some dumb stuff, but I bet all of them have done dumb stuff on the trip.
Anyway, I hope they are both happy, and I still like the show-I was just kind of disappointed with that ending.

Realfan

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:35 pm Click here to edit this post
<<In India, at the road block, Karyn was the first to reach that man, but he didn't open the box to show her the Taj Mahal, he just gave her the piece of paper. If she had seen the Taj Mahal she would have known to go to Agra. >>

Well, THAT sucks. It seemed to me there was some magic phrase they were supposed to say. Still, that's a raw deal.

It also seemed the mom had no idea that the little Taj Mahal model had any meaning. I never heard her say it, and she seemed to think the hotel was in New Delhi (as most of them seemed to.)

Car54

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 01:10 pm Click here to edit this post
Last night I checked out the AR chatroom and they were all abuzz about that Realfan. I am always so het up at the end, I miss things.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 07:19 pm Click here to edit this post
That was very dumb of Karyn not to have asked the guy in India for more information.

Karyn also told Lenny to slow down when they were on the bicycles. Who was not giving 100% then?

I thought Karyn's behavior was shameful and a poor excuse for teamwork.

A good team member does not blame the other team member for the team's failure.

Karyn obviously cared more for the money than she did about the relationship with Lenny. That is sad.

Karyn was abrasive, rude, and selfish.

Crazydog

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 08:08 am Click here to edit this post
Well I suppose I will have to give my point of view here, since I am a Karyn supporter. Ocean, I disagree with you that Karyn was dumb by not asking for more information. I didn't catch the fact that the man did not open the box for Karyn and that he had just given her a piece of paper. I see no reason why she should have known there was something else to look at. COnsider that in many of the other checkpoints, the local contact has never given more information - remember in Zambia (?) when all they were shown was the Eiffel Tower - we have never seen them helping them out by giving more information. What I thought was dumb was that all the other teams saw the Taj Mahal and yet all still thought the hotel was in town. If it were me I would have gotten in a cab and said Taj Mahal and figured it out from there.

Karyn told Lenny to slow down not because she wanted to go slow and take it easy, but because Lenny was going too fast. You have to assume that Lenny would be faster on the bike than Karyn, and she was having a hard time keeping up. I don't know how you can interpret that to mean that she wasn't giving it 100%. If she wasn't doing the best she could to keep up she wouldn't have told him to slow down.

As far as caring more about money than her relationship, that's a bold thing to say. Obviously we never saw her saying she'd rather win the money than stay with Lenny. I suppose you are inferring this from her actions. It's all about interpretation. I saw a competitive, bright and driven woman who wanted to do as well as she could. In Lenny I saw a slow and resentful man who didn't really seem like he wanted to be there. Sure, Karyn probably shouldn't have blamed Lenny for everything the way she did, but I really didn't see Lenny contributing to their team much.

Wink

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 08:31 am Click here to edit this post
Poor Lenny. He just wanted to stop and smell the roses.

Mindyrama

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 09:18 am Click here to edit this post
Hmmmm...I have this episode on tape. I'm going to watch it again....

Trinity

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 01:29 pm Click here to edit this post
How did Karyn and Lenny meet anyway? Didn't someone introduce them? All during the show I kept thinking how mismatched they werel I couldn't figure out why in the world they ever started dating, but hey, what do I know? I'm single!

Ocean_Islands

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 04:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Karyn was extremely selfish and self-centered.

She thought only about winning.

If Lenny was not as smart as she was, a real team player would try to make up for that weakness, and be encouraging. Instead, Karyn was loud and abrasive.

When Lenny was sick and vomiting, all she said was, 'can't you keep going and make it to the finish line.' A horrible person. She didn't show a single caring feeling about someone who was in pain and hurting.

Fred

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 07:40 pm Click here to edit this post
I absolutely loved when lenny was way ahead of karen on the bike and karen was yelling for him to wait. I was cheering, "keep going lenny!...run for your life!" He just seemed so focused at that time i bet he wishes now that he had just rode right off into the sunset!