Surprise Ending - a little spoilerish

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Muse

Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 11:42 pm Click here to edit this post
I was going to post my thoughts about the 11/14 "surprise ending" in the other thead set up for it, but I have a few comments that might be a little spoiler-ish. I think they've been mentioned before, but I don't want to ruin anything for anyone. :)

Okay, I assume that the surprise ending is referring to who's eliminated. So running through the list of possibilities...

Frank & Margarita - There's a clip of Frank swimming in an area with snow and ice in the show's introduction, so I don't think they'll be the ones to go. I'm almost positive on this one.

Kevin & Drew - The previews seems to suggest that they might be the ones to go, so that makes me think they won't (although there have been a few exceptions to that rule - the previews before the episodes where Lenny & Karyn and Paul & Amie were elimated showed both teams fighting and having problems). And plus there's the jumping off the boat scene in the show's introduction. They're obviously in a warm climate in the 11/14 episode, but I didn't see any water scenes in the preview.

Rob & Brennan - Also shown when Phil said something about a team making a series of mistakes, so I also doubt that they're the ones eliminated. Plus Brennan was shown jumping off the boat in a preview that was aired before The Amazing Race even started.

Team Guido - I would think they'd be the ones to win the FF. They're quicker than Emily & Nancy, and plus they do have a tiny lead (not much, but it looks like every second counts). But if they don't win the FF, I don't think it'd be a "surprise ending" to see them go, since they're so far behind the other teams. A "happy ending", maybe. But not a "surprise". Oh, and there's also the picture of a Guido rock climbing somewhere...I didn't see any rock climbing in the preview. (Btw - the picture I saw at www.theamazingracesucks.com is pretty hard to make out - does anyone else think it *might* be Brennan? People said it was Joe, but I really couldn't tell!)

Emily & Nancy - REALLY don't think them leaving would make for a surprise ending. They're usually one of the last teams, and if they lose the FF, viewers would almost be counting on them being out.

So I'm really not sure. I think the best explanation would be what some people have already suggested - that the team that wins the Fast Forward is actually the team eliminated for some strange reason. Or I suppose that maybe a team is disqualified or given a massive time penalty for doing something wrong, or someone gets injured to the point that they can't go on (and is thus removed from the race). I doubt that, though, since they do say "series of mistakes".

So I think it'd have to be Emily & Nancy or Team Guido to go (whichever wins the FF), barring some unlikely freak occurance (serious injury, disqualification, time penalty). The only way it could be one of the other teams (the lawyers or frat brothers) is if we see a roadblock or something involving snorkling during the course of the episode. Since I'm a big fan of both teams, I'll be crossing my fingers and hoping that we *don't* see that happen. (And please don't tell me that it's the most likely of my scenarios to happen - I won't listen - *covers ears and hums* :))

Car54

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 03:50 am Click here to edit this post
Muse, I saw the pics too... the pics of the Rob and the Drew diving seem to be in the same place... could that happen this week?

It seems to me that the teams in the pic are safe til we see that scene.
If they dive in the next episode, then they could be losers. And N&E are not in any of the pics..
so they could go at any time.
Am I thinking right about this?

Micknrc

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 05:42 am Click here to edit this post
I'm confused--how is it we think that a team could get the FF AND be eliminated in one episode--seems impossible--n'est-ce pas?
Although that certainly would qualify as a surprise ending...

On a related note: between "surprise ending!" and "twist!" promotions,it would seem CBS is trying extra hard to keep the reality boat afloat...

Crazydog

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 07:47 am Click here to edit this post
Mick, I posted a similar disbelief on the 11/14 thread. I've since thought about it some more... getting the FF does not guarantee you to be in 1st place, it just gives you the right to get there. Maybe they take a flight and the connecting flight gets cancelled and there's no flight until the next day. Maybe someone gets injured and has to delay while getting treated. Who can tell....

Something also tells me that we may be reading too much this. The previews suggest that F/M, R/B or K/D make mistakes and are eliminated. This leads me to believe that they will not be eliminated.

I am beginning to think that the "unexpected twist" is not that someone gets the FF and gets eliminated. I think CBS severely underestimates the intelligence level of many of their viewers, and I'm sure that most viewers except those of us dweebs on the net do not sit and analyze in detail every single inflection, video feed, etc. Heck, I bet most people don't even get TV Guide and think nothing of the title. The "unexpected twist" has to be the team that we thought was always safe and had nothing to worry about getting eliminated. I think the titles are part of the entire story - i.e. if I was watching a DVD and go to chapter 9, the "Unexpected Twist", it wouldn't be a twist from episode 8 to 9, it would be a twist in the context of the whole show. (Does any of this make sense?) Therefore, it will be so long to the GUIDOS. Buenos noches, arrividerci, bon voyage, dobre noche, joy geen, sayonara.

Malica

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 08:14 am Click here to edit this post
I was thinking that the Guidos will be gone because of a money problem. They seemed to be worried about money this week. So maybe they do get the fast forward but run out of money some how. Just a thought. Or maybe wishful thinking!!! HaHa

Kep421

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 08:34 am Click here to edit this post
I'm thinking that both Team Guido and N&E both race for the FF. N&E will appear to be ahead of Team Guido and a shoo in for the FF, but due to some mistakes or wrong turns, the Guidos just barely get there before N&E. This will ultimately result in N&E coming in last and end up being elimated.

The twist I'm hoping for will be that after achieving the FF, Team Guido, due to not having enough money or through the cancellation of flights, will come in next to last at the final destination point.

Micknrc

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:05 am Click here to edit this post
Crazypup-- I mean yeah, you're right, but I thought the FF meant the production crew whisks you away to the pit stop--by whatever means--guaranteed that you will be there before other teams--otherwise what's the point of having an FF? (not arguing with ya--just thinking out loud--the smell of wood burning is very strong here)

I never considered that you still have to have the luck of flights, connections, etc. to get there.
I'm liking the money idea, though...
As we discussed before (on the Money? thread??)all of these questions have to do with the way these realitytvproducers don't seem to find it necessary to let the audience in on all the rules...

cf. survivor discussions right now...
rotflmao that I care so much...
GO KEVIN AND DREW!
boo hiss guido

Tvduck

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 01:25 pm Click here to edit this post
Micknrc, FF only tells you where the pit stop is, it doesn't guarantee the team to get the 1st place. I remember when the working moms got their FF and they still ran into the hassle of catching a flight to Paris. The production crew won't help in any way whatsoever.

The place where we see the racers jumping off the boat is, I'm 90% sure, a famous vacation spot in Thailand. Now the preview said "a series of mistakes lead to a surprise ending" really makes me worry about DKNY because 1) we see Frank in icy cold water so he's for sure not eliminated in Thailand 2) Guido or Momily, whoever don't get the FF, is already at the last position so it won't be a surprise if this team lost. So, what left, and will be a surprise to me, is 1) the team who got FF and still got eliminated in the end, or 2) the leading team, DKNY, got eliminated due to "a series of mistakes."

Scary scary scary... and I have to wait 12 more days for that!!!!!!

At this point I like every team except for Guido. So as long as it's not Guido I don't care who wins. But I really want to see Guido eliminated before any team.

Crazydog

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 01:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Tvduck, I assume "DKNY" is Drew Kevin New York, although I haven't seen them referred to in this way. I still submit that the "twist" has to be viewed in the context of the entire show, and that twist is the supremely overconfident Guidos ("we've always been at the front,1st 2nd or 4th") unexpectedly going out. Even though they're close to last, I still think it would be unexpected for them to go out. Those of us who have been watching all along, my first reaction would be, oh but they're resourceful and conniving, I'm sure they'll pull it out.

How about the "series of mistakes" being something like this: Guido decides to go for the FF, Guido loses the FF and has to go to Thailand, Guido thinks they should fly out of Bombay instead of Delhi because it's bigger, Guido has to take a train to Bombay because they have no money for a cab, Guido is delayed because the train has problems, Guido's flight gets cancelled, Guido decides to fly to Singapore first, Guido's connecting flight in Singapore gets cancelled, Guido gets to Thailand but is hours behind. Guido is E-L-I-M-I-N-A-T-E-D. Oh, I can't wait for that constipated "we're not in first" look from Blonde Guido!

Kep421

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 02:02 pm Click here to edit this post
LOL Crazydog!!!

Tvduck

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 02:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Yeah Crazydog that could happen because they've been to Bombay like 5 years ago. And yeah they'll go to Singapore because they lived there for like 2 years. hee...

Oh yes, DKNY is Drew Kevin New York. GO DKNY!!!

Car54

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 02:58 pm Click here to edit this post
Hey did anyone else see when Frank & Margarita opened their packet at the beginning of the show this week and Frank remarked on the fact that there was NO MONEY..."Oh, that may be a problem".
I think they have been getting money in small amounts every leg...have been hiring cabs, etc, and this week for some reason didn't get any..maybe they got money at the beginning of the first week in India, and since this week was in the same country, didn't get it?

I remember they got money at the very beginning in NYC too... I don't think they spend their own.

P.S.- I don't want the Guidos to go yet... the longer they last, the more painful it will be when they lose!!! I want them to make it to the last episode and go down baddddd! Much more satisfying to watch. Let them go all the way to the end...and then lose to somebody they feel superior too! Justice.

Roe325

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 03:12 pm Click here to edit this post
I was thinking, maybe on the race for the fast forward Emily and Nancy get to it right before Bert and Ernie, Ernie pushes the mom out of the way grabs the fast forward and runs with it. mom cries, and daughter runs after them and gets hold of the dark haired one and beats the chip off his shoulder, the blond one is screaming at him "get up and lets get going you idiot!" and hmmm, then neither of them can use the fast forward because they didn't play nice.

oh and yes, go DKNY!!

Micknrc

Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 03:27 pm Click here to edit this post
CRAZY--CAR--
Donna Karan New York??
Yeah, I have an awesome pair of navy slacks from her...lol
GO KEVIN AND DREW!!!!

Car54

Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 03:52 pm Click here to edit this post
NO, DREW /KEVIN /NEW YORK, silly, and they never wear slacks, always baggy shorts. But Drew has nice blue eyes, I'm sure he looks lovely in navy.

Smileeys

Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 07:28 pm Click here to edit this post
Most of the previews are so misleading that I am not reading too much into this. Remember last week they made it look like N/E could not buy tickets and needed help from Guido's. Who would have thought N/E are just having such a hard time in India that the Guido's would actually be a welcome sight and even get a hug! Right now, a surprise ending to me would be anybody but N/E being eliminated.

Kep421

Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 08:13 pm Click here to edit this post
"Let them go all the way to the end...and then lose to somebody they feel superior too! Justice."

I agree Car, have them go all the way to the last final destination point only to find out they have been eliminated. That would definately be the best ever...but since the Guido's feel superior to all the other teams, it really doesn't matter who they end up losing to, just so long as they lose!!!

Muse

Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 12:04 am Click here to edit this post
For those who haven't heard yet, it appears that the rock climber is definitely one of the Guidos (probably Bill). He seems to be wearing one of their Team Guido logo t-shirts (yes, they have matching Team Guido logo t-shirts that they often wear under their matching Team Guido polo shirts - nauseating, I know :)). I can't guarantee this 100%, but the evidence seems convincing.

So I really hate to say this, but I don't think the Guidos are out this episode. My reasoning? Well, there's one of two things that happen:

1) They win the FF. In this case, the rock climbing must be from a future episode. After all, once you win the FF, you just need to work on travel arrangements and finding the pit stop, right? There's probably no rock climbing.

2) They don't win the FF. They might do the rock climbing instead in this episode (I think there's a good chance that this is done in Thailand, at least), but being eliminated from the game would not constitute a "surprise ending" in this case. Viewers would expect the team that lost the FF to be gone. I know some people say that Team Guido leaving regardless (winning or losing the FF) would be a surprise since they're such a strong team, but I don't think so...Team Guido is trailing the three leading teams in a big way these days, and they're desperate for the FF for a reason. Viewers will see that.

So...I think it's either Rob & Brennan or Kevin & Drew. Oh, and I guess a small outside chance of it being Emily & Nancy, if they win the FF and manage to make so many travel arragement mistakes that they're eliminated anyway. It's not Frank & Margarita since they go on to a cold climate.

Kep421

Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 05:51 am Click here to edit this post
You know Muse, they might have to do the rock climbing to get the FF. I remember someone else, the Moms maybe?, having to take a ride down some rapids on a river raft to get the FF.

Was anyone else rock climbing?

Muse

Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 11:23 am Click here to edit this post
Kep, I thought the same thing for a minute, but then remembered that they showed Emily & Nancy and the Guidos in the temple (?), competing for the Fast Forward. I thought that rock climbing would be a good Fast Forward task, but I doubt the Guidos would have to do two things to get it.

Amajay

Monday, November 05, 2001 - 09:18 am Click here to edit this post
Maybe N/E get the fast forward before the Guidos thus making them have to go to the rock climbing challenge after all of the other racers are done with it.

Just a thought.

Crazydog

Monday, November 05, 2001 - 09:59 am Click here to edit this post
Amajay, yes that is what I am hoping and if enough of us keep thinking it maybe it will come true!

Aussiecoppin

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 08:13 am Click here to edit this post
Well i showed my hubby the pics of the rock climber and he seems to think its Rob not one of the Guidos..Not bad for someone who wasnt into the reality shows like me..and now is hooked on them too...he loves the AR and Survivor3..couldnt get him into BB2 though...but it sure is funny now to see him getting excited about them...I normally work thurs nite so he has to tape S3 and previous it was like "i taped it honey"..now its like.."wow u should see what happened..quick here is the tape"..and then he sits down and watches it again...

Crazydog

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 08:37 am Click here to edit this post
Aussie, it cannot be Rob. Rob would not pass up the chance to wear that white tank top to show off his huge arms. I am still hoping that it is one of the Guidos and that it means they lost the Fast Forward. 9 more days to wait!

Tribefan

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 08:50 am Click here to edit this post
It's definitely not Rob. It's either Brennan or a Guido and, after many slow-motion replays, I'm still not sure who it is! I'm leaning towards a Guido (Joe without glasses), but it could still be Brennan.

Kitt

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 01:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Can anyone tell me where you find this rock climbing picture?? Thanks.

Crazydog

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 03:34 pm Click here to edit this post
It's somewhere on a site called amazingracesucks.com, I think. I've seen it and it's really hard to make out.

Muse

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 09:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Here ya go, Kitt.

Egbok

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 - 10:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Muse! My first impression was Joe Guido without his glasses as Tribefan suggested above.

Realtvfan

Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 08:06 am Click here to edit this post
Given the speculation that the rock climbing pictures could be Drew, Rob, Brennan, or Joe; after seeing the pictures, my guess for the picture is anyone but Joe Guido.

I'm not looking at the face but the size of the left arm. I do not remember seeing Joe with a left arm that large.

It could still easily be a picture of any one of the other three, but I do not think it is Joe Guido.

Kep421

Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 09:33 am Click here to edit this post
I don't think it's either Guido. I think it is Brennan's.

I'm basing my guess on the person's face, which appears lean and long. Bill's face shape is more triangular, with a wider forehead and narrow chin. Joe's face is almost octagonal.

I put the rock climbing pictures in one window and brought up the CBS site in another window and compared the faces. The rock climber's face shape most resembles Brennan's, but that could be misleading because of the angle of the shot

Try bringing up the two sites in separate windows side by side and see what you think.

Kitt

Wednesday, November 07, 2001 - 02:35 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks for the pic, Muse. That's no Guido! I don't think it's Drew either. It could be either lawyer, but I think it's Brennan's.

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 08, 2001 - 04:45 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks Muse. Absolutely not a Guido. I am not ruling out Drew though. The nose looks right and the angle could obscure his bulk. The lawyers are very slim.

C1mag

Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 01:58 pm Click here to edit this post
I was around for the "black Gretchen photo" durring survivor one and this one is pretty much as debatable. I've got to be honest it doesn't look like Brennan to me. I hope that it is but it just doesn't look like him it's so freakin fuzzy!