Archive through December 07, 2001

The ClubHouse: Archives: Frank Is Acting Like An A**: Archive through December 07, 2001

Squaredsc

Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 06:28 pm Click here to edit this post
ok, it is with great regret that i revise my opinion of Frank. (sniff) i am cursing him out up one side and down another. even my husband who is an arrogant son of a b----h says he is acting like an arrogant son of a b----h. if i was margarita i would be calling him every name but a child of God. oh well, hopefully he will mellow out later? i still say:
GO MARGARITA & FRANK

as of this moment he is a jacka**

Realtvfan

Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 06:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Frank is tired and saddly for Marg., Frank's true colors are showing.

He is unable to work as a team with anyone who has a different skill set from him. He just has not lived long enough to understand the strength of diversity.

Muse

Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 07:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Yep, he sure did show his true colors again. Frank just REALLY doesn't handle stress well. I was cringing at most of the F/M conversations in this episode since they were bickering so much. I thought Margarita was making some silly mistakes (like thinking the steep way up the Great Wall was in the other direction - reminded me of Songwe Museum), but Frank was just being a brat. First he was (probably) deliberately trailing behind up the Wall...then he was lagging behind when they came down. I'm tired of Margarita saying they need to work together. Obviously their teamwork skills fall apart under pressure, and they haven't been able to fix that.

Anyway...my hope is that Frank maybe learned a lesson by watching all these episodes, and hearing fans' opinions. Margarita might not be as driven/competitive/aggressive as he is, but he needs to learn how to deal.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 11:01 pm Click here to edit this post
I think that another thing that doesn't help is that F/M are not as well matched as the other two. R/B seem to keep focused, not get too upset, have fun at it, and don't get too much into working on their friendship in the middle of the contest.

Same for B/J--they stay focused, don't bicker too much, and know the ropes of traveling. I think F/M have times when their highs of dealing with their relationship are a positive, but they also experience lows because of them. I do agree that Frank seems to be the worst of the 6 left at handling pressure. He takes it out on his partner--something I think is usually a bad move.

That said, they are the 3 teams left--they did something right along the way, or at least not as wrong as someone else has.

Resortgirl

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 05:38 am Click here to edit this post
I have to agree again...Frank is being a jerk! Just nit picks about everything. M has made some errors but she stays fairly calm, even when F is degrading her... she is one tough cookie!

I am starting to hope the cute boys win R/B!!

Crazydog

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 07:27 am Click here to edit this post
I have always liked Frank, but I'll have to agree with you Lance. I was very disappointed with him especially on the Great Wall, he was acting like a big baby in how far he trailed behind her. That said, they seem really happy in the previews for the final episode. I am still pulling for Rob and Brennan - the way the previews make it seem like Rob and Brennan have no chance ("we can't beat Frank and Margarita"), Frank's chest thumping, a supposedly celebratory kiss, leads me to believe that we are being edited to think Frank and Margarita win. Therefore, ROB AND BRENNAN are the winners!

Mindyrama

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 08:26 am Click here to edit this post
I really started pulling for R/B last night. They just seemed so at ease that they were fun to watch. It was just painful to watch F/M. I guess when you see a team working together so well you can help but root for them. F/M have worked so well together in the past that it was also great to watched them (in previous legs). Last night was not a good leg for them. They'll shine in their hometown of NYC though. I'll be happy as long as the Guidos don't win! I wanted to scream when Joe said, 'people love to root for the underdogs'..I'm sorry, but other than being in last place how are they underdogs??? Along with their travelling skills they've gotten VERY lucky! Underdogs my butt!

Crazydog

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 08:39 am Click here to edit this post
Mindy I agree completely. The Guidos have never been the underdogs. They were leaders all throughout the race and now they are in last so they are viewing themselves as underdogs? Nancy and Emily were underdogs. It'd be like Duke basketball's team playing Southeast Middle Guam State, building up a HUGE lead, blowing it all and trailing by a lot in the final minutes and then the announcers talking about rooting for Duke because they are the underdogs. Preposterous.

Car54

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 08:50 am Click here to edit this post
Hey - they were both being pretty jerky last night- not just Frank (and I am no Frank fan). At the beginning, every time he said anything to her she got defensive- and then he would escalate it. I think they are at the end of their energy and getting really testy- I was glad they calmed down when they got to Alaska.

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:13 am Click here to edit this post
Crazy....I agree with your logic. The lawyers will win.

Frank and Margarita are OK. The lawyers are friends, not lovers. Very diffenent when it comes to traveling dynamics.

If any of us were on this race with a friend vs spouse you would notice different behavior. Couples trigger each other. That is a fact.

Both F and M are hard wired to be the way they are and that will not change dramatically. Recognizing poor behavior, apologizing and taking responsibility for it is half the battle and Frank has done that. Maybe not often enough, but I am willing to bet that seeing himself on film will be a positive experience for him, ultimately.

Karuuna

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:21 am Click here to edit this post
I think Frank's behavior is often aggressive and unkind. But I also think Margarita can be annoying as well. When I watched Frank struggle up that ice wall, and Margarita was yelling instructions on how to do it, and telling him to try harder, I was reminded of all the parents I see at my son's athletic events. I didn't think the comments were helpful or encouraging, but rather discouraging. So I think both of them need to own some responsibility about how they really view each other; and how like it or not, that comes out in their sometimes obnoxious behavior toward each other.

Crazydog

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 09:55 am Click here to edit this post
Karuuna, I tend to agree. As much as I love Margarita (she's so sweet... and I'm sure other guys can agree that we liked seeing her racing down the Great Wall steps LOL), she got on my nerves a little bit last night. But this is the first time I think we've really seen her become unglued. However, she does recognize that they need to pull together to win. Whether they finish first or second, I think their relationship has been through a lot and I am hoping they will stay together.

In defense of her at the ice wall, it was no different than what Frank did at the rock climbing in Thailand or the restaurant in Beijing or the bungee line in Zambia. I thought it was great how cute and excited she was when he reached the top.

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 10:35 am Click here to edit this post
Yes Karuuna, Margarita has a part, of course. And her part may be larger than we realize. She is pretty contained.

Squaredsc

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:00 am Click here to edit this post
ok, just another thought,(it took me till this morning to think of this) but it seems that when the show ended last week f&m were doing so well and when this episode started they were fighting and i thought i had missed something. also they argued most of the show then next thing i knew she was saying that they need to work together, etc and then she had her arm around him. so i am now wondering if these fights are being staged? or is it the editing? do the producers want to show some kind of conflict to make it interesting? thinking back on this i just don't know anymore. but i still hope they win, won't be upset if the lawyers win, will kick in the tv if the guidos win. 'nuff said.

Crazydog

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:09 am Click here to edit this post
I don't think the fights are staged... F&M, especially MArgarita, seem too "real" to do something like that. I think perhaps they are trying to show the unglueing of Frank and Margarita to build up the story for the consistently calm and competitive lawyers winning. I would be happy with either team winning at this point, they have both proved themselves. If the Guidos somehow win I think there will be a long line at Best Buy to replace smashed TVs!

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:37 am Click here to edit this post
Frank and Margarita snap for a bit then move on. They are not fighting continually. No way is that staged. We have seen good times too.

The lawyers may have issues with each other that they discuss behind closed doors as well. In fact I'd put money on it. They are not the type to allow friction to show on camera. I caught a glimpse when Rob was stessed and said to Brennan...'you know that is how I am on the first leg'. This is clearly something they had talked about before and it may have been an issue for Brennan.

I like the Guido's too.

Car54

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:50 am Click here to edit this post
I thought that the beginning of this week's show was on top of last week which was a pretty hairy, competitive leg, and that they were just ragged and tired. After the flight from China, they seemed to get rested and calmed down.

I agree the lawyers are showing their game face. Probably of all the reality show contestants I can remember, they have done the best job of presenting themselves consistantly throughout the show. No tempers, no disagreements, good sportsmanship....(also not too exciting)
Ya know, I like the Guidos some too. We have really seen a different side to them the past 3 weeks, so whatever happens, as long as the race is competitive on the last leg, I won't care.

Mindyrama

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 11:57 am Click here to edit this post
Ya know, I just haven't seen this 'sweet' side to the Guidos they ya'll seem to be seeing....

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:06 pm Click here to edit this post
I am not sure I would call them sweet. I have liked them from the beginning. They have a very cool dog. It is just like my dog. :)

Car54

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:07 pm Click here to edit this post
But Mindy, think about when they were rock climbing- they didn't snap at each other, they kept encouraging and supporting each other.
Same with the icky food.
A lot of the couple teams have really snapped or gotten ragged under pressure. Once the Guidos messed up and got behind, they stopped being so paranoid about the other teams, and just focussed on the race and on each other, and since then I have really liked how they treat each other. I felt the same way about the grandparents. The pressure brought out the best in them as a team.

Tntitanfan

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 01:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Fruitbat and I and - I think - one other have supported the Guidos all along. To be the second oldest team in the race and be among the final three is pretty darn good! Traveling at such a fast pace - even without the stress of competition and tasks - would wear out most younger folks!! IMO

Abbynormal

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 02:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Maybe its just me, but I thought F/M should have gotten some kind of time penalty because Frank did not go all the way to the top of the wall. Everyone else did, and if that was not a requirement then it should have been a roadblock. Isn't that the one where they pick just one to do it? I guess I am just nitpicking because I think Frank is just a big ole hemmoroid!!!

Gottaluvit

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 02:50 pm Click here to edit this post
Go Bert & Ernie !!

Crazydog

Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 02:58 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, we can't be certain that he didn't climb all the way.... certainly the way it was edited makes it look like Margarita got the clue and he just simply turned around and went down. He may have made it all the way up, we just didn't see it. But then again, it was the same thing with the snorkeling, Margarita didn't go in. I guess the instructions probably don't specify "both of you must..." it's probably understood but I've never really thought it mattered that much in the detours as long as the team got the clue, the details were unnecessary. I always thought of the roadblocks as a way to PREVENT one member from helping the other, not as a way to let them choose.

Mindyrama

Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:00 am Click here to edit this post
The Guidos could give each other flowers and make love in the sand (or snow) and I still wouldn't see them as 'sweet' , I'm sorry. I don't deny that they are good at this game, but just because they get along with each other, doesn't make me warm up to them. The fact they they see themselves as 'underdogs' kills me. When you hear them talk they are still arrogant and cocky. They sooo need to lose so they can fall down off that high horse they've been on. IMHO