Racing Relationships
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Judy | Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 05:02 pm   I thought we saw much more of the dynamics between the Paul/Amie & Lenny/Karen & Emily/Nancy teams this week and I liked what I saw. I was glad to see Amie laughing and Paul being more of a player. I was glad to see Karyn go into the sewer instead of hearing her screech LENNY! for the 2 blocks-if you want something done right (aka YOUR WAY) do it yourself! Lenny also admitted being normally competitive but for some reason is only operating at 50%-hope he turns it on next week. I also think that the Mother/Daughter relationship is very close and touching-I loved the exchange of 'I love yous" before Emily went into the sewer - cute |
Sallycat | Thursday, September 27, 2001 - 07:49 pm   In the episode summary, it stated that the teams in the detour had to decide which person would go BEFORE they knew it would be into the sewer run. I thought that was why there were some choices that might have been different had they known in advance. |
Jewels | Friday, September 28, 2001 - 01:01 pm   I was happy that we finally got to see Amie and Paul actually get along! I was beginning to feel bad for them, everything shown up until last night was them always fighting! Actually from the previews it looks like Amie is in tears again next week already....oy vay... I started thinking the other night when I was watching...Is this "adventure" actually a good test of a relationship? Yeah, it shows teamwork, trust, faith, etc...but, isn't it a little extreme? Do you think the players should use this as a guage of their compatibility? It just seems a little extreme to me. What do you all think? |
Fflur | Friday, September 28, 2001 - 04:34 pm   Jewels, I have to agree. Frank and Margarita decided that this was the way to "save" their marriage, I hope it works for them. But I this not how I would go about trying to save my marriage..I would find it far too stressful. If you had already built a good foundation of trust and faith (like the grandparents) this would be a kick in the pants...but for a couple like Frank & Margarita who have alot of issues I dont think this a good to bond. I do give her kudos for putting up with him. Just my 2cents. |
Corriecat | Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 10:09 am   I wonder if Lenny is having trouble adjusting to travel. The time differences alone can take a lot out of you. Different food, lack of sleep and stress are probably taking their toll earlier on him than the others. |
Trinity | Monday, October 01, 2001 - 07:23 am   I think Rob & Brennan get along well too, but then again I'm not looking at them to see how they get along...I'm just looking at Rob but hey I'm from the shallow end of the pool. |
Judy | Monday, October 01, 2001 - 07:55 am   I agree that Rob & Brennon must get along well- because they get very little air time! If they were having conflict or sniping at each other - we would see alot more of them |
Trinity | Monday, October 01, 2001 - 09:25 am   Judy, you're right about that. Rob & Brennan must get along, they're best friends, roommates and work at the same law firm. That's a lot of togetherness. |
Enbwife | Monday, October 01, 2001 - 05:53 pm   I feel sorry for Frank & Margarita. He is too competitive and very hard on her. I wonder how they're raising their child when he says things like "second place isn't good enough - you have to be first". Karyn & Lenny need to do some work on their relationship. She's such a nag! I can't stand it when she whines at him. The mother/daughter team are fun. The daughter keeps yelling at her mom to hurry up. I think she's doing well. I really like the older couple (married 40 years). They are so sweet together. The gay couple are annoying. They are soooo competitive and couldn't believe that anyone could possibly beat the mighty old them! Puke! I was sorry to see the "mommies" go. I liked them both. The NY frat brothers are hillarious, the way they tell each other off (ha ha). I love this show. I can't wait to see who wins. |
Starshine | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 12:01 pm   I love this show too! Don't forget, we're seeing edited versions of their interactions and of course, we'll see the more argumentative interactions. It has to be very stressful for these couples, especially since some teams are so close in time to others. You literally see where another team is at times. I have thought what if my hubby and I were doing this. He and I are both very competitive. I could see us yelling at each other during some of the travelling times. It would never interfer in our love and relationship though. We'd yell then it would be over but no doubt, the editing would only show the yelling. We go about accomplishing things in very different manners. Sometimes I cringe thinking about it, other times I'd just love to do this with him. |
Kitt | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 02:07 pm   I was thinking the same Starshine, I bet I'd be shouting at my husband if I got stressed, I always do, no matter how much I try and be patient. It doesn't mean we don't get on really well 99% of the time, but as you say, I know what I'd look like in front of the cameras! |
Zed | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 07:22 pm   I was glad to see Karyn & Lenny make the cut-his self confidence soared when he managed to find the sword on his own. Also nice to see the frat dudes working in alliance with the mother daughter team. |
Boston_Honey | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 08:03 pm   Zed, I agree; I loved to see the frat brother helping Emily out. Whether or not they win the big prize, that speaks volumes about their personal characteristics to me. Hoping they win it all! |
Tillie | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 08:06 pm   Paul has to be a saint or a moron to live with crying Aime. I just can't take her continuously crying and berating the guy. I found it interesting that Lenny and Paul both said that their relationships were worth more than the million bucks. I wish they would have said that to them and not only to the camera people. Sorry to see the 'grandparents' go. |
Fflur | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 09:31 pm   What I thought was funny this was...Frank (this guy really bugs me). Last week in the taxi he said that all alliances were "off" and he wouldnt help anyone..yet this week when Rob and Brennan's taxi was waiting at the end of the hill, first he was going to just help himself to it then when that didnt work when Rob and Brennan showed up and wanted their taxi he didnt understand why the alliance wasnt still on? Frank I think they have your number!  |
Fflur | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 09:41 pm   One relationship I really like week was the Nancy/Emily & Drew/Kevin relationship. It was nice to see two teams really help each other out, and genuinely routing for each other. I know this most likely wont last for the long run, but for one epi it was nice. Its nice to have something to balance out Paul/Amie, Frank/Margarita & Lenny/Karen. And those Guido's I cant believe they are in 1st place I can only hope that Karma will catch up with them. |
Smileeys | Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 10:04 pm   I was happy for Lenny but was sad to see the grandparents go. They seemed to have the best relationship! I hope I will have a relationship like theirs when I am their age (hell, right now would be nice I thought the frat brothers helping Em and M out was nice, too, even though at one time one of them said it was strategic. I think that was prob in answer to a leading question and was edited. As far as the Paul and Amie relationship go, I think they are both messed up. He agreed to do this for her but not really b/c he isn't doing it wholeheartedly. He is kicking and screaming every step of the way - very passive agressive behavior from him. He says he hates to see her cry but he makes her cry more. If something doesn't go his way, his answer is he is going to quit. He needs to grow up. I am not totally fond of Lenny but know I couldn't live with hearing that nagging voice of his girlfriend calling my name. Marguerite and that guy are both not very nice people at all and in some ways fit perfectly together but I hope she doesn't stay with him b/c he seems to be prone to violence and she doesn't deserve that and neither does the baby. When they were trying to find the cafe, he was talking so rude to those men and I was hoping they would lead them on a wild goose chase That would have been great to see plus they would have been out. Don't like team Guido. Like Brendan and Rob the best so far - now that gp are gone. They really did honor their alliances they made until the others broke it and I respect that plus they are pretty good looking, too Okay, stick a fork in me. I am done. |
Badgercubs | Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 12:38 am   smileeys: I wholeheartedly agree with your analysis of paul and amie. He wouldn't be yelling and wanting to quit if she weren't crying all the time. She wouldn't be crying all the time if he wasn't yelling and wanting to quit. It's a vicious cycle, and I really can't believe they're still in the game at this point. Lenny and Karen are much the same. If he figured things out quicker, she wouldn't get so frustrated. But at the same time, I think her frustration puts so much pressure on him that he can't think to figure stuff out. The grandparents were just a great example for them all right to the end. The hug and kiss after they were eliminated and a good sportsman-like speech. I loved how everyone applauded and Frank was yelling that they had his respect. I thought Frank was a complete jerk through the previous episodes, but maybe he has a heart after all. |
Trinity | Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 05:14 am   How many times do you think Frank says "yes" when somebody asks him, "are you Vin Diesel?" |
Allaboutme | Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 10:14 am   I thought Frank really showed another side this episode. He gave Margarita a great pep talk in the cab and cheered the grandparents. |
Guinevere | Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 03:25 pm   Yeah, Allaboutme, but he and Margarita also indulged in a little festival of bitterness over Rob and Brendan. I had to agree with R&B on that one; so far it appeared that they had shown a lot more loyalty to the alliance than F&M had. I like: Paul & Amie (so shoot me; I see them as underdogs) Drew & Kevin On the fence: I like Emily but not the Mom I like Lenny but not Karyn so much I am semi-indifferent to Rob & Brendan; they can be annoying yuppies but they have mostly behaved decently Don't like: Frank & Margarita Team Guido |
Denimore | Thursday, October 04, 2001 - 05:41 pm   I like how Drew and Kevin are helping mom and daughter..cause they really don't consider them to be competition..lol |
Judy | Friday, October 05, 2001 - 06:34 am   So glad I am not alone in liking Paul & Amie, Guinevere... I think they are fun to watch- I could not believe they opted for the massage! It was evidently on the instructions that you would have to get a 2o minute massage...and they did it anyway. Amie definately needed one and Paul coulda used one too- oops- didn't exactly get one did he? LOL what the heck were they doing to that poor man? did anyone see the masseur's face? Maybe Will Mega finally found gainful employment! |
Judy | Friday, October 05, 2001 - 08:07 am   LOL You have to check out the FUJI Clip of the Week on the Amazing Race Official Site! It shows more of Pauls "massage". Anfd the masseuse is not, I repeat NOT Mega...but he definately went to the Mega School Of Massage! |
Judy | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:12 am   Maybe it's just the editing...but does anyone else think that Frank & Margarita are getting along much better than at the beginning? I am inclined to think that if they were bickering - they would show it- and there hasn't been much of that On last nights show when they were getting the fast pass- she confronted him about blaming her for things - when they are a team - and he made no irritated comeback- but just seemed to listen. I for one hope they can get back together. Divorce is so hard on kids no matter what age - 3 or 30! ~~~~ And Emily & Nancy have sure done some bonding during this race. Even with the stress and frustration they are going through- they seem to be closer now than at the beginning. ~~~~~ What can you say about Lenny & Karyn? I like them both- they just are not a match. NO more Leeeneeee for him or US! ~~~~~~~~ The lawyer dudes hmmm you never really see much into their relationship with each other. In fact - not much dialog between them at all. Just very compatible buddies I guess ~~~~~~ The frat dudes have a very special relationship that comes across from the 1st minute they were on screen. I love those big lugs They bicker like real brothers to me- always with the firm knowledge that they can get irritated with each other and it's ok. I really hope they win. They are very honorable players and great representatives of USA. |
Muse | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:51 pm   Frank and Margarita - They work well together when they're ahead of the other teams. I think the strain in their relationship emerges when they're under more stress/pressure, like at the beginning of the race. They'll do fine as long as they don't fall too far behind. I like to think that Frank has changed during the course of the race, but it might just be the editing. Emily and Nancy - I agree with Judy in that they really seem to be bonding. I do think that Nancy's worn out, though. Hopefully the 12 hour break will give her time to revitalize and get the competitive juices flowing again. Emily obviously needs some time to decompress from the marketplace scene, too. She didn't handle it too well. Anyway, I don't see these two going too much further, but they should be really proud of the fact that they made it over halfway, and that they really got to know each other along the way. The frat brothers - Yep, great friends. They listen to each other, they work well together, even when they're busy calling each other names. They don't take themselves too seriously, and they're competitive without being cutthroat. They also seem to try to explore all the different options when they're told to do something, which helps them and the other teams. For example - they were the ones who suggested checking to see if flying from Milan to Delhi was a possibility. The lawyers - You barely see Brennan (seriously, he says about three things in each episode), and often they just show Rob commenting on some part of the race. So we don't see a lot of the dynamics of this team. But from what we do see, they seem to work well together. They stay cool and collected, even when they think they're about to be eliminated. I think that's really helped them. I hear that they're funny, intelligent, and clever - but the editing doesn't really give us a chance to see that. Team Guido - Everyone talks about how they work well together, but I don't really think so. I think it's just that both are really driven, familiar with travel and different cultures (and speak both French and Italian, albeit not very well!), and move quickly. Their bickering when they feel stressed seems to slow them down, but not much. They could probably work just as well alone. |
Rissa | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 01:16 pm   When the show started I had some sentimental favorites... Frank/Marg. a separated couple willing to spend a concentrated amount of time together under high levels of stress. The Guido's.. a long term committed relationship between two intelligent people who seemed to have a great sense of humour. The old married couple (too lazy to check names) for the exact same reason. I also had a few that I just did NOT like at first look. The two frat brothers.. loud, crude and bullies, that was my first impression. Karyn/Lenny.. did she come out of the womb scapegoating her mother? Did he lose his tongue in a terrible childhood mishap? Now that the show is half over.... Frank/Marg. still high on my list. Guido's are at the absolute bottom, self-centered, rude, sore losers and even worse winners. Two frat brothers... LOVE'EM, just love them. The rest of the teams fall somewhere in between. IMHO which is worth exactly what you all are paying to read it (namely.. nothing) I really believe the Guido's are out in the next couple weeks. Despite how well they have done so far. My reasoning is simple. This show is done, they have all gone home and we are watching an edited version of events. Since those editors KNEW who won before they began their cut and paste it would be in the shows benefit not to show up what absolute creeps their winners were. I think if the Guido's HAD won that the show would be presenting a better picture of their behavior. Remember survivor? Some players have commented on squabbles that occurred involving the top 3 that we didn't get to see... wouldn't look good to have a million dollar cheque over to someone America hated. I am going to continue believing this until the last because the thought of those two winning makes me ill. {G} |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 01:39 pm   I agree Rissa and Muse mentioned this in another thread. That being, good guys are going to win. That means that The NY guys and Frank and Margarita are probably #1 and #2. Hard to read the lawyers place in this. They are good guys but we are not seeing enough of them to make me believe they take the money. I wish they would. My favorites at the onset were Guido, NY guys and the lawyers. Guido have fallen but the other 2 remain strong. I never felt drawn to the mother and daughter and I will be dissapointed if they win. They are still in the game due to the kindness of others. Not winning material. I always liked Karen but took an instant dislike to Lenny which remained. Frank and Margarita....eh. He is a bully and she allows it. I doubt they can make a go of their marriage again. They may leave the game thinking they can but I anticipate it will fall apart again, once home. |
Crazydog | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 01:39 pm   Rissa, I am praying that you are correct about the Guidos. However, as someone pointed out on another thread, the great majority of people hated Richard Hatch and yet he still won. They never showed us his nice side because he didn't have one. He made great entertainment, though, which is what I'm afraid the Guidos are doing. |
Rissa | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 01:52 pm   Crazy. I see a difference though. Perhaps it is because I picked Richard to win on the first show, so I could be biased. LOL Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that Richard never DID anything to be hated, it was more that his personality just rubbed some people the wrong way. Would you agree? Like I said, I am one who DID like him so I can't really judge. Whereas the Guido's have (over and over again) shown by their actions to be total zeros. |
Crazydog | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 02:14 pm   Rissa I see your point, but it was that very personality that made me hate him! He was very superior and condescending. His comments about how he would catch fish and provide and his negativity when the girls caught a fish made me hate him. The fact that he used nudity as a strategy, as he says, was not only revolting but completely insensitive of the other players. It was so long ago that I can't recall more specifics, just the fact that the overall package was very unappealing. In fact, I remember clearly disliking him from Day One when he took his fat body and sat in a free whining that no one was talking about "the process". I kept waiting for him to get voted out because no one liked him, but alas, it never happened. If the same thing happens with the Guidos I will swear off CBS forever! |
Rissa | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 02:32 pm   Ewww Crazy, you almost had me. {grin} I have heard reports from several other players that ALL the team was naked on more than one occasion and that in fact, it was not even Richard who began that custom, he just took advantage of it more then the others. LOL |
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