Archive through November 29, 2001
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Archive through November 29, 2001
Crazydog | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 08:28 am   In the beginning, I really liked Margarita because she was willing to tolerate the explosive, demanding and aggressive Frank. I know Frank was getting torched around here early on, and Margarita for being a doormat. Doesn't everyone have a friend that treats you not very nicely sometimes, but you put up with it because you value their friendship and want to show that by tolerating them? I sure do. Lately, Frank has toned down a lot. I know that Margarita and he had the relationship talk, and that seems to have settled him down a bit. I also like seeing Margarita be more forceful. There was a time a few weeks ago, when she said, there's no reason to yell. And last night when she said that he always blamed her and he didn't retort back. BTW, was Frank speaking Italian last night?! or was it Spanish, I know they are fairly similar. I was impressed with him. This plus hiring the cab last week and following it to the square. My opinion of him has definitely risen lately. Frank and Margarita trying to use a rowboat with each of them using one paddle - LOL! and they were wondering why it was hard to go anywhere. Good call for them to use the fast forward and skip all of the India confusion. Although of the teams left, I worry now that the Guidos will use their fast forward to win. Since Rob/Brennan and KEvin/Drew have already used one, the only eligible team left is Nancy/Emily, and I would say Nancy/Emily's chances of winning are miniscule. |
Misslibra | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 09:29 am   The boat scene was funny, and yes Frank has toned it down alot compared to how he was in the begining, and so have the frat brother's. They seemed loud and three stooges type in their behavoir. But they have mellowed out. I like both teams. |
Jewels | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 10:37 am   I think Frank and Margarita have toned it down only because they have been in the lead the last two episodes. They both seem very competitive and if they fall behind again, I think we will see that side of them again, especially Frank. |
Demented_Freak | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 11:43 am   Does anybody know how many hours they are ahead? I was wondering if they are even a day ahead of the others now? I agree they are more likable when they are quieter |
Muse | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:21 pm   I'm still not a big fan of Frank and Margarita's (well, actually, just Frank - I've actually always liked Margarita) since I remember how nasty he was during the first couple legs of the race. Jewels is probably right. If they felt they were falling behind, Frank could probably become pretty obnoxious again. But I'm glad that we're not seeing it as much now. Considering the editing, I wonder if Frank and Margarita might be the ultimate winners. They have a healthy lead that should help them place in the final few teams, barring any huge mistakes they make. And they seem to become more likable in each episode, with fewer fights (serious ones, at least) and yelling. Seems like the show might edit the winners that way...a couple that overcomes their problems (both relationship and personality-wise) to win. Frank did speak Italian in last week's episode. He seems to be more fluent than Team Guido, too. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 12:33 pm   Muse, good point about editing the winners to be good guys. I think I heard someone mention they are 12 hours ahead. |
Rissa | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 01:04 pm   I don't think their time advantage will hold out. Every once in awhile they are thrown a challenge that gets everyone back to an even keel. Like waiting for museums to open and the like. I am really enjoying this show and would be happy if anyone wins except the Guido's. LOL I like to think that any seperated couple who goes to these lengths to work on their relationship has the endurance and integrity to put in the work necessary. Whether they do end up divorcing or not, I am sure this experience has helped them deal with each other in a better, more compromising manner that will benefit their child. I love that I haven't heard them once say something like "SEE, SEE this is the reason I left you.". They have a maturity about them that is very appealing. |
Badgercubs | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 02:43 pm   I think using the FF in this leg will really help them in the next one. With the exception of the Guidos, the India leg took a real emotional toll on the teams. Every one of them was surprised to finish where they did. If I were Nancy and Emily, I think I'd go for the FF on the next one. The odds of them beating the other four the normal way aren't too high. The Guidos haven't shown any inclination to try for the FF yet. I think they think they can beat everyone without it. Nancy and Emily really need an easy leg. |
Crazydog | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 03:38 pm   Rissa, I agree about the FF being evened out so it doesn't matter as much. I am hoping this is true as it would be nightmarish for Guidos to use FF at the last episode and win. I would highly doubt the producers would make FFs so valuable especially towards the end because it will be uninteresting to watch. I think the purpose of FFs should be to avoid elimination in the near future, not to make you win. Badger, your comment about the emotional toll was too true. Lenny and Karyn lost and split up. Nancy has lost the will to keep going, it seems, especially with what happens next week with the tickets on top of last night. |
Mssilhouette | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 09:43 am   Good thing I spotted this thread before I made another one. I didn't see a lot of folks commenting on this couple so I snatched some facts from the CBS website. ------------------- When Frank and Margarita were teenagers, a mutual friend introduced them, and they hit it off right away. They've had fun traveling together before, because they both enjoy learning about people and experiencing other cultures. They auditioned for THE AMAZING RACE because their combined talents make them a strong Team: Frank is intelligent, level-headed and physically strong; Margarita is patient, intelligent and has a keen intuition. Although they've been separated for a year, they're considering getting back together, and see THE AMAZING RACE as an opportunity to find out how well they can work together. FRANK I'd most like to receive a letter from: My daughter (if she could write!) Comfort item from home I'll miss the most: Bed with lots of pillows Hobby or activity I'll miss the most: Working out with free weights I'd most like to receive a phone call from: My daughter Sunday paper I read most often: New York Times Favorite TV show: Lonely Planet Favorite Movie: Scarface Favorite Actor: Al Pacino Favorite Actress: Hillary Swank Favorite Music: Hip Hop MARGARITA I'd most like to receive a letter from: My old best friend in California Comfort item from home I'll miss the most: My daughter Hobby or activity I'll miss the most: Playing with my daughter I'd most like to receive a phone call from: Any of my close friends or family Sunday paper I read most often: New York Times Favorite TV show: Seinfeld Favorite Movie: Cast Away Favorite Actor: Javier Bardem Favorite Actress: Juliette Binoche Favorite Music: Hip Hop; R&B; Salsa ------------------------ Now while I admit to missing some TAR shows I did catch the last and last night's. I'll have to say that these two do work great together but I think that Frank has some issues to work out. He needs to learn that Margarita is his partner and not one of his male buddies. She's a strong woman but as she said last night, he didn't need to talk to her that way. Overall that's what bugs me about him the most. But since they've known each other from teenage years, I think I understand why she's so patient with him. She knows this is how he's always been. Seems like she's waiting for him to grow up emotionally a bit more than he has. At least she knows when he's being sincere, and saw through that sorry ass apology. She laughed it off at the end, which is good. I think they will wind up getting back together after Frank sees how he acted on the show. I also think someone will take him aside. Overall they do work well together and have mellowed out a bit since that first showing where he was yelling at her. I've always rooted for them and am happy to see them in first place. |
Max | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 09:57 am   I WANT THEM TO WIN!!! Then, I want them to get back together and build a happy home for their daughter. They have grown so much as a couple during this experience. Last night's tiff and Frank's subsequent apology were wonerful. I think that even if they don't win the money (which I hope they do), they've won by rediscovering each other and gaining new respect along the way. |
Evilnurse | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 10:07 am   Me too Max! Me too! I'm concerned tho that this leg looks like it gets pretty physical. Plus there is snow and cold. Snow and cold would do me in. Three cheers for Margarita and Frank!! |
Car54 | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 10:20 am   And they threw away a bunch of their luggage- hope they still have some warm clothes! |
Guinevere | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 11:33 am   It took me quite a while to warm up to Frank - in the early episodes his aggressiveness made me uncomfortable. Lately, though, it seems that even when he's a bit of jerk, he has a smile and his energy seems less angry, more laid-back. He's really cute when he smiles! Actually, last night, when Margarita thought he was being a jerk, I thought she was being a bit passive-aggressive and indecisive about who would do the challenge. I wouldn't like being called a moron either, but in this case I really didn't think he meant anything by it. Still, I think it's good that she lets him know what is acceptable with her and what isn't. They seem like such opposites that I think for their relationship to work, there has to be a lot of communication. |
Resortgirl | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 11:56 am   I think Frank is a big bully! Yes, I am sure he has redeeming qualities, or Margarite wouldn't be with him but calling someone a "moron" for any reason is unacceptable. There are ways to motivate someone without being so abrasive and for both their sakes I hope he figures out how. Someone else said that maybe after he watches this he will realize just how awful it sounds to talk to Margarite the way he does. Unfortunately I was married to a bully many years ago and as far as I know, he still is one. So I don't hold out much hope for Frank. That said, I hope they win for her sake. Then she can have a good life with or without him and won't have to depend on his financial support. |
Mssilhouette | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 01:31 pm   Resort I don't think she depends on him for financial support. After all they've been seperated for a year. They were hoping to see if they could work together and possibily get together again. I think that Frank simply needs to learn how to communicate with Margarita as a woman and a wife not as just one of the boys. I like the couple I just don't like how Frank talks to her or ignores her feelings when their in a crunch. He does need to know how to motivate without degrading or being a bully. As well as get over his need to be #1 all the time. This need serves him for this game but it won't help him in his relationship....as we can see. You can't always been #1 in a relationship which I think is part of the problem. He wants everything to go as he says and how he wants it to be. When it doesn't then its the wrong way or someone is a moron or stupid. I know I wanted to smack him upside his head when he called her a Moron. I also noticed how he kinda slunk in his seat when they were in the cab going to the ping pong game and he hadn't read the rest of the instructions about getting 5 points. He should have noticed that his partner didn't berate him for that mistake. She just took it in stride. Then after that we get the treat of hearing the "moron" comment. On the way to the place I would have called him on it and mentioned how I didn't berate him for not reading the rest of the instructions. Then said "Pay attention to how I treat you and do the same" that would have been the end of the discussion. But that's me LOL Of course we don't know what happens when they're in the hotel. She probably tears him a new one. But that doesn't matter because his crap is on camera and it shows a lack of respect. Okay I'm done talking about the bad parts of these two. The good parts are that clearly they love each other and work well together or they wouldn't have gotten this far. Sooooo.... GO MARGARITA & FRANK!!! |
Car54 | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 01:53 pm   Does anyone know what their professions are? It doesn't say in their bio at CBS. I seem to remember reading that Frank was a trainer or coach. Margarita seems very well educated- just wondered what they do for a living. |
Kep421 | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 01:54 pm   But Resortgirl, the Frat Bros were calling each other "moron" all the time, and neither took offense. For them, it was appropriate to call each other moron because they understand the context of its intent. It really is in how you take the comment. I think Frank meant the moron comment in a way similar to the way the Frat Bros mean it, a sort of weird kind of term of endearment, but obviously, Margarita did not take that way. I was heartened to see that Frank recognized that she did not appreicate his comment however it was meant, and was big enough to apologize. |
Resortgirl | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 02:25 pm   Kep and Mss, It isn't just the "moron" comment that I base my feelings on... just the most recent comment. I didn't mean to imply that she has relyed on Franks financial support in the recent past, but rather she will NEVER have to rely on it if they win. And yes the frat boys talk to each other the same way and I don't particularly care for that either, but they don't ever ask the other to stop. Margarita has asked Frank not to talk to her that way. I know there are alot of things we don't have the chance to observe in the way they interact and I hope she does "tear him a new One" when they are alone. It's just uncomfortable for me to watch a man who supposedly loves a woman talk to her in that manner. Uncalled for! But that's JMO... |
Mssilhouette | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 02:50 pm   Resortgirl -- I know you based your feelings on watching the show. For the most part we agree on several points. Kep, I know what you mean about the Frat Bros calling each other names and they don't have a problem with it. But their relationship is a bit different and is more of a life long friendship. They related to each other with name calling and know its all in fun. While Margarita does not relate to Frank that way so she doesn't appreciate him calling her names. No matter how much he says he's joking. If she bothered by it or it hurts her then Frank needs to stop...Period. Let's just say Frank was acting like a little child and lashed out at Margerita when things didn't go his way. That apology seemed to be more pushed by the producers of the show than by himself. He was being filmed off to the side when he admitted he may need to apologize. And Margarita knew the apology was half hearted and false. I could see that from the way he was grinning. At least she could laugh about it and move on. Well I still hope they win. Even if I wanna slap Frank sometimes. Margarita makes up for that in how she handles everything. So once again... GO MARGARITA & FRANK!!! |
Kep421 | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:07 pm   Oh hey, I never meant to say it was ok for Frank to call Margarita names, I don't like it either. I just meant to say that it is ok to do name calling as long as both parties understand the context. My husband and I call each other unflattering names, but we understand the intent of each other and do not take offense. It is never acceptable to engage in name calling, I don't care how close you are, unless both parties are ok with it. Margarita does not appreciate name calling, no matter what the context and Frank should respect that... Sorry to mislead anyone... |
Misslibra | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:08 pm   I hope Frank & Margarita wins to. GO FRANK & MARGARITA !! |
Squaredsc | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 03:37 pm   (GO FRANK & MARGARITA...GO MARGARITA & FRANK) i love this couple too and i don't think he called her a moron to be mean, it's not always what you say, but how you say it. and she was being a little moronic after argueing with him about doing the food thing and then regretting it when any idiot could see that they would have to eat what they bought. personally i wouldn't have a problem with the chicken feet or squid(with catsup) but i don't know about the bugs, i would have to swallow them down whole with some bread or something. |
Hippyt | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 08:21 pm   I hope they win too!! They have been by far the smartest players. I think they really care for each other and want to make their relationship work. As for the "moron" comment,I'm married and while we don't bicker often,everyonce in awhile,I(and I'm the wife) may say "idiot" or "moron." I've known my husband for 16 years,but have only been married to him for 5. We know each other very well,so we're used to dealing with each other. I think all the talk about Frank being abusive is just ridiculous. He's a little abrasive,but calling someone a moron doesn't mean your an abuser,physical or mental. I hope they win,they want to use some of the money to send their daughter to college. The Guidos don't need it,and neither do Rob and Brennan. |
Awareinva | Thursday, November 29, 2001 - 09:16 pm   I think the name calling thing can depend on your upbringing too. My husband and I have known each other 21 years- married 15, so we have a long history like Margurita and Frank. I have siblings close in age and my husband is effectively an only child. If I would say things like "Way to go dummy" or "That was stupid", he would think I mean it literally. But that is the kind of thing you say to a sibling all the time growing up (or at least I did)and you learn to not take it seriously if you are exposed to it alot. My husband knows I don't really think he's stupid, but because he didn't experience that kind of name calling as a child - part of him would still feel like I was calling him stupid. I have become aware of my husband's inability to deal with what is petty namecalling, so I don't do it (haven't for years). I don't think Frank literally meant he thought she was a moron, but just said it like he would to a brother or close guy friend. She for whatever reason wouldn't tolerate that and called him on it (and I say good for her- more people need to speak up for themselves). Seems like Frank never learned that lesson on what was acceptable or not to her, but there is a lot of understanding between them. Made me smile when she called his apology the crap it was, but still they both knew that she had accepted the gesture. I like this team and her comment about eating the bugs and thinking this was her daughter's college was wonderful!! What a mom! |
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