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Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 1:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I often make the argument that people (players and viewers) pass off poor actions displayed on the reality shows with the "just a game" excuse.

I often say that if you are good at lying and betraying on the show, you must have had a great deal of practice at it in real life.

I offer this excerpt from an interview with Lex after he got the boot:

When Rob told Lex that he was cutting him loose, Lex said he was devastated. "I was more than anything else heartbroken that somebody would do that to me, a friend would do that to me. And, you know, that's the thing that I still have to live with now."

The most important question of all: "Are you and Boston Rob still going to be friends?"

Lex's response: "I wish I could say we were still friends... The short answer to that is no. We are probably not going to be good friends. It's funny, because I got a 10- and 11-year-old son. Both of them, watching the episode, they understood it in such pure and simple terms. It was: A deal is a deal, a promise is a promise. When someone breaks that, they're not your friend.

"I have good friends in my life. There's no reason to have somebody like Rob in my life who is not really a good friend and does not treat me like a good friend would."

When Harry suggested that they just had been playing a game, and Lex had lost sight of that, Lex said, "Wow. I guess you could say I did. I did. And the thing of it is…it's so easy to say, 'It's just a game.' … That phrase is thrown around so casually: 'It's just a game.' It might be a game for everybody watching from their living room. It's not a game to us. Even the people playing it, (when) they say it's a game, they're lying. For us, it's life. For those 27 days out there, it was life."



#1- So isn't that exactly what Lex did to Ethan?

#2- Finally we hear it! It is not a game to them!

#3- I actually like Rob, so I'm not on his case. I'm just offering this info to add to the data of my on-going discussion of the "Game? Not a game" issue. This just adds to the "Not a Game" side of the argument.


Thanks for reading.




Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 1:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lex has been trying to make a name for himself ever since he was on Survivor Africa. There is no doubt that he is feeling foolish at his own behaviour on Allstar Survivor.
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It is interesting that Lex has no concern for his boys watching the episodes where their dad told Jerri she was safe and they were "going to the end" watching each others backs.
What lessons was Lex teaching his sons when he went to Ethan and told him that Ethan was to be voted out. Oh well...still friends eh?
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The trouble with any of these "Reality" games is that people's real feelings get caught up in the game. BUT!!!!!!! It's still JUST a GAME! In My Opinion

1kid4us
Member

07-30-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 6:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
outwit, outplay, outlast... Hmmmm... That mantra has been the ultimate players guide for how many seasons now? love him or hate him.. Rob is doing what everybody else in all the other games are doing.
When lex got the ax he started to act like a spoiled brat, because he didn't follow the mantra he's where he is. he knew what he should of done, but instead he is blaming kathy. they are both adults he could of done what he wanted and kept jerri. So who's really to blame?

somewhere I hope Ethan is toasting a glass of wine to rob and saying, way to go man, it's about time he got a taste of the bitter beer.

SO in short..(LOL) Follow the Mantra.. Outwit outplay, outlast....

Tobor7
Member

07-19-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Outwit outplay, outlast is a slogan written by a bunch of producers that they stuck on a logo. Nothing more. The actual "rules" of the game are probably in some 100+ page legal document.

But that is not what I am talking about here.

How are the people playing the game and is it any different than how they play their game of life or their game of job or their game of love. Just because you call it a game, does not suspend rules of life.

How you live your life... how you play a game... how you live a game... how you play your life. Is it the same thing?

I wonder if a clever NUN could play as good. Would she lie and use the excuse, "it is just a game?" Would others feel uncomfortable lying to a NUN?

If the POPE played Survivor could he win? (Assuming a younger Pope of course. LOL)

I just think the players use the talents they learn well in life to their advantage.

The game is not a valid excuse for poor actions. I think what someone does in the game, they would do in their real life.

I didn't like what Lex did to Ethan. (And I'm no Ethan fan.) It was unnecessary. I thought what Rob did to Lex was nice payback... only Rob didn't know what Lex did to Ethan. Deep down Rob must have known that Lex would turn on him so he just did it first. I hope Lex never talks to him again, and I hope Ethan never talks to Lex again. But of course it is not in their interest to do that. Then will smile it up for the cameras when the time is right, and leap-frog to the next media op.

It did make for good TV and I thought the last show was one of the best so far. But take a read of Lex's lines again. To him, it wasn't a game and he used it as an excuse to turn on Ethan.

I would rather see a bunch of people playing the thing as if it were real life. There would be MORE at stake then. Even a choice between a friend and a million dollars. These decisions are made every day in the work place. Most of the time money wins out.

Just because they call it a game does not mean it is not real life.


Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 8:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tobor, your thread comes down to the potential philosophy of what I've wondered since the beginning of all of these shows--do people play these games the same way they conduct themselves in real life??

As I've said before, the "reality" of reality TV is the way things are done, and what behaviors get rewarded.

I look at Lil as a great example--she tried to play the way she lives life--with honesty and her emotions on her sleeve for everyone to see--and everyone to toy with. Toward the end she tried playing it with lies, and with manipulation--she said she was going to switch to it and she did.

I have to say she wasn't very good at it--she is a horrible liar. And on top of that she took as much or more flack from the general public than anyone so far--including Richard, Rob, and others who treated people like a piece of meat.

She took more crap because she was out of character toward the end--she wasn't what she showed herself to be--someone good, someone caring. So beware to anyone who starts out good and tries to play the game like most of the winners have played.

I agree that those who lie really well in the games and who stab someone in the back and laugh about it seem much more likely to me to have had a lot of practice at this before the cameras started rolling.

I look at what works in real life--what gets rewarded. In the work place all too often managers like "yes" people. They like the brown nosers, the people who bow down and follow like sheep. In the long run it's easier to deal with--no conflict--and your ego gets stroked. People often make themselves look good by making others look bad, instead of trying to improve what they themselves do.

There is only one reason to keep doing it--because it works!

Look at what gets rewarded in games such as Survivor--many times the people who vote give their votes not to the honest people--hell, they are already on the jury or out even before that--they give their votes to those who acted consistently--even if consistently bad, to those who "stuck it to them" and dared to say they did, and to those who manipulated well.

I'll sue Richard Hatch as the prime example. He was the start of it all.

Now onto the Lex/Ethan/Rob thing. Friends and competition--it happens in real life all the time. I've played sports against my best of friends--including football, where it's not just a contact sport--it's a collision sport. You can play a game against your best friend and still walk away best friends. You both have to understand a couple of things.

You have to buy into the idea you can compete against a friend and while it's happening, the two are separate issues. Second, you have to buy into the idea that while playing, you will both respect each other as competitors. Third, you have to understand that when you play, you don't make it personal.

The NBA is rampant with trash talkers. Yet none of them cross the line by saying things about family, wives, sex lives, etc. They trash talk about the game and being better.

So, we pull people off the streets who haven't practiced this thing called competition with your best friend--especially when the competition is as much or more about people and interaction as it is about the physical things.

Lex has shown twice not he can dish it out, but not take it as well. He's shown twice where when he's doing it, it's just a game, but when it's done to him he takes it personally.

Ethan defies the mold cast so far--at first glance. But dig deeper. He's the nice guy who won. He stayed true to the alliance he first go into--Lex and Tom in Africa. He has been as honest or more honest than just about any player to date. But I don't think Ethan really defies what goes on--because he is a professional athlete--someone who knows to respect the game and your opponents. Someone who is practiced at playing against a friend.

Ethan has said he would play Survivor as many times as allowed--even if the prize was a single piece of pizza. He plays to win--for the sake of the win--and the sake of playing the game.

Colby has come the closest after that--most people say he would have won hands down against Keith in the final 2. Yet he took Tina, knowing he might lose. For Colby beating someone that isn't who he thinks is the best is an empty victory. Hatch was openly critical of that choice.

Well, I believe if Richard Hatch had to pick between a 6 year old who just started playing table tennis and an 18 year old who was pretty good at it, Hatch would choose the 6 year old, and say he was the best at table tennis after winning because he came in first. Colby would never take that route.

I think Survivor is made to parallel life--not too many rules in actuality in the way you treat people, more times than not, those acting with what I would call "while within the rules, still slimy" behavior will win more times than not--because it's what's rewarded more times than not.

Is it "just a game". It is if you play it that way. Most people can't play Survivor that way--Brian did. He took all emotion out of it and walked away experiencing nothing like others have gotten from it. He was machine-like in his approach. He didn't get distracted, he didn't see anyone as a human. He saw them as game players.

For the rest, it hasn't been "just a game". If you get something life changing out of a game, it's never "just a game".

Tobor, if I didn't address your points in all this, smack me and say which ones I didn't address.


Caycaye
Member

09-14-2001

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 10:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lancecrossfire....I TOTALLY agree with your opinions....ALL of them.....I agree 100%....my whole family are known as FIERCE competitors...(My brother and father both played college football as All-Americans, and my dad has always been a very successful football coach.) I am a 48 yr. old woman who has learned all of the rules of "fair competition" my whole life...and everything you say about respecting your opponents and the game is soooo true.

I never thought of Survivor in those terms until I read your previous post....but you put into words exactly why I always had a problem with people that ridiculed Colby's well-thought-out decision, and never appreciated the strength of character it took for Colby to choose Tina. (I am really not a Colby fan because I think he is a bit of a chauvinist...but I truly admired his character when he chose the one who deserved to go with him even if he lost in the process) Also, I never could put into the right words WHY I detested the behavior of TOTAL liars and sneaks like Brian, Boston Rob, Richard, and yes...now even Lex and Amber.

To have no respect what-so-ever for your opponents and your own word is despicable to me...and not worth all of the money and "wins" in the world. It is the "slimy" way to win...and meaningless to people with character and morals and the true "spirit of the competition".

Landi
Member

07-29-2002

Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
lance, i have never heard it spoken as well as you did tonight. it is why i loved colby, hated brian, loved ethan, hated richard. it is why i also hated johnny fairplay and loved sandra. i could never play the game of survivor as a liar and a cheat. i'm too honest, too forthright.

the one thing of all stars that is the most difficult, they knew each other, they believed that they could be "brians" and play "the game", even ethan couldn't do it. their friendships WOULD carry over, feelings will be hurt. i'm sure when we see the "after the show" segment after the final tribal council it will be just like the "rich and sue" early show interview. for publicity purposes and that everloving paycheck they'll suck things up and make pretty. no matter what their feelings are.

i can understand the closeness that we didn't know about between lex and rob. from what has been said it was closer than any relationship he may have had with any previous survivor. when a friend like that asks for a favor, you do it. if they promise to take care of you also, you expect it. that knife went pretty dang deep.

lex admitted as such on the early show that he truly lived the "i told you so" from jerri. he was saying it himself. i only can hope that the other surviving survivors will learn from his mistake. i could only hope that rupert/jenna/shiiann/kathy/alicia/tom do a "sandra" and spy on rob and amber and their gloating and learn before they get pagonged outta the game!


Crossfire
Member

08-07-2001

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 12:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Landi, you brought up something that I always consider when these topic comes up, and I think it is an important point.

The point you made that I would like to expand on a bit is this:
when a friend like that asks for a favor...
In terms of honest game playing, I question if it is even fair to make such a request?

By doing so, you place a burden on your good friend. It adds to the mix of presumably fair and equitable game rules, a social boundry which they must also juggle.

Tobor7
Member

07-19-2002

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 2:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nice post Lance. You covered a lot of ground.

And nice additions Landi and Crossfire. Your points were well though out.


Lance, the key to your post for me is when you stated:

"I agree that those who lie really well in the games and who stab someone in the back and laugh about it seem much more likely to me to have had a lot of practice at this before the cameras started rolling."


That is the key. We are basically seeing what kind of person each one of them are by their specific actions within the context of their being good or bad at it. The good or bad at it implying that they had a lot of practice in real life with those specific actions. It is the "tell" of their personalities.

And when they try to explain it away by saying "it is just a game," that is just a feeble attempt to cloak their true personality fault and rationalize the behavior.

If Lex and Ethan were both up for a part on a sit-com and Lex had the chance to sabotage Ethan's chances by lying about him to the producers so he could get the job, would he do it and then rationalize it away by saying, "it was business, not personal?" Based on what I have seen on the show I would say YES. (That isn't to say he might grow from the experience.)

At what point does the, "..it is just a game or just business (or fill in the blank) run out? Can they use that excuse forever? Can we, the viewers keep using that excuse to explain their actions?


People are what they are and the producers cast them for what they are in order to make the TV show interesting for the viewers.

And I hold to my theory that we are seeing the true fundamental person on most of these shows. Of course there are a few exceptions, but for the most part... they are what they are, and with a little observation we can see that and make a calculated odds-on judgment call on the kind of person they are MOST of the time. The more you see it, the better you are at spotting it the next time.


Remember the old western Cowboy and Indian movies? Just remember that the Indians were rooting for the Indians and the next time you start rooting for someone doing anything... just remember those old western Cowboy and Indian movies-- and are you the Cowboy or the Indian?




Azriel
Member

08-01-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 3:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What I find hard to take about Lex's response to Rob's betrayal is that Lex says that if left to him he would have kept Jerri. He said that it was Kathy's decision to vote out Jerri and keep Amber and that he had to go along with it because he didn't have Kathy and Shi Ann's support to keep Jerri.

I just can't see how he can work up so much self-righteous anger when he knows that he kept Amber and voted out Jerri not as a favor to Rob, but because he had no other choice.

Had Kathy gone along with him, he would have told Rob, 'Sorry I voted off Amber, but this isn't about friendship, it's about business.'

It's like Lex is talking out of two sides of his mouth saying, 'I did this wonderful thing for Rob and he betrayed me, but I didn't do it for Rob. Kathy made me do it.'

Lex said in interviews that Rob would never be his friend again and talked about the lessons this was teaching Lex's sons. I don't blame him at all for being hurt that a friend voted him out - (ETHAN, JERRI). But, if Rob ever was truly Lex's friend and this wasn't a game to him and it is their lives, then he should look at himself and what he did in the game and find some forgiveness for Rob. That is the best lesson he could give to his sons.

Cassie
Member

07-15-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 6:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Great post, Azriel. I don't get where Lex is coming from either. He broke his word to 2 "friends" -- what room does he have to complain now. I think he and Kathy really screwed up their whole tribes chance on this game due to their crazy "leadership". I hope she goes next.

Luckyryan
Member

03-19-2004

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 9:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lex had to save his butt. He had to put hat speech in. If I was in that game I would also put that speech in. I hate Rob. But Lex should have been smart and kept Jerri. About the kid's thing. Every person on the show Survivor has a family. There whole family is watching them as Lex family is watching him

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 1:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
CayCaye, I am thinking you lived in a very interesting household! What you said, then Landi and then Crossfire fit together really well.

Having to do with how you approach "the game"--whatever the game may be.

It is expected that you take advantage of another players weakness--such as a hurt ankle, or a sore shoulder. That is part of the game--and it is a part that isn't personal.

The issue of asking for a "friend favor" within a game. That is very important to consider when answering Tobor's question--can it just be a game.

We've talked about those how react in such manners as to show it isn't just a game. But when someone puts you in a place to begin with that has to do with a friendship--well, then it makes it hard for anyone to keep it in game context when responding.

One you would never see in pro football--two bothers who play for different teams playing against each other (and this has actually happened). One says to the other, "hey, would you let me score a touchdown, and later I'll let you intercept a pass and run it back."

That is the last thing anyone would expect to even hear, let alone happen.

First off, no one would disrespect another player enough to bring that aspect into the game--to make a friend even have to respond to it.

Part of it has to do with the way the game is set up though--it's an individual game, yet to win you have to make alliances. In the first place, I hate that premise. 3 people against one isn't a game--it's a mis-match.

There is another thing I'd like to throw out about it not being "just a game". I'll use Robb (the one that throttled Clay) as my example. What I saw of him for most of his time there was behavior that I would describe as acting like a punk. (how I think of a punk--I'm 48) At some point, he "got it"--got what the game can show you about yourself and about life. Survivor is set up to provide people that--and by it being that way, it isn't really meant to be "just a game".

Robb at the camp fire that one night before getting voted off showed as much wisdom and anyone has shown on that show. When it happened, Probst has a great comment--paraphrasing he said that Robb finally got it--that he finally is being a decent person--and you voted him off for it.

Robb ended up having a relationship with his father he never had before. That isn't "just a game". That is life in the grandest of ways. Keith, Mike Skupin--both walked away with their views of life and their approach to life changed forever. So did Lex and Ethan.

Az, you mentioned forgiveness on Lex's part toward Rob. The way it happened--the backstabbing, the lies, the way Rob used the friendship and laughed about it--you are right--it would be a good lesson for Lex's sons. It would be hard for Lex to do--it would be hard for me to do. As far as we were shown, Lex never did take joy in what he did to Ethan--and while he still did it, I think the biggest factor that Lex's sons can take away from this is how you feel about your actions, as well as the actions themselves.

Rob loved that he could get a friend to give him something, knowing full well Rob was going to stab him for it. That one crosses more than the line of punishing a friend--it crosses the line of enjoying doing it.

If ever there was a moment that shows Survivor is more than just a game, Rob enjoying what he got Lex to do and what he did in return would be it. Rob did more than lie. He did more than backstab. He did more than using someone. He revelled in all of it.

I believe it is that which will prevent Lex from being friends with Rob. It is that action by Rob that will not allow Lex to trust Rob again.

Tobor, I don't know how long "it's just a game will be a good excuse". At times, I agree when it's said. In Africa when it game down to Lex, Ethan, and Tom, they agreed that when and if it got to that point, they would have to do what they could for themselves--they bought into that right off the bat--they accepted the premise of the game. And I think that to get from 3 to 2 was done with respect for each other--it wasn't backstabbing. They each knew it was going to come down to that.

Other times though--it wears thin instantly. I see posts where people want good entertainment first and the outcome of the game isn't as important--they just don't want a boring show every week. I think for those folks, "it's just a game" can work for a long time.

For me, I like a good game, and excitement is minor. Two football teams battling it out with a tough ground game and smash mouth action on the line and in tackling is probably boring to most--but tome it's pure game.

I'm like Ethan and Colby--no flying under the radar--let's have a Survivor where everyone goes full tilt all the way though, you play tough, you play fair, you respect the game and you respect your opponents. And in the end, the sole survivor will be the best person--not the one who could get rid of all the good ones at the beginning and take on a lesser player, and call it a win.

Sadly, I'll most likely never see that Survivor.

Mocha
Member

08-12-2001

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think friendship should stay out of the game. They are there to win the money not to make friends. If they do make friends that's fine but they also have to realize it is a game to outwit, outlast, and outplay using whichever strategy they think works for them. Lex has hopefully learned from this and realizes Rob did to him what he did to others. Some people want to play the game using a moral compass. Fine for them. Some don't and I say fine for them too. I look on this as a game because that's what it is. To me no more no less. But I do not like when players look down on others about how they play the game because they chose to play it their way and not how someone thinks they should play it.

Cassie
Member

07-15-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 3:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lancecrossfire: <As far as we were shown, Lex never did take joy in what he did to Ethan--and while he still did it, I think the biggest factor that Lex's sons can take away from this is how you feel about your actions>

Whilst he may not have taken "joy" from it, I found his very cold and sarcastic parting words spoken directly to Ethan as he cast his vote for him to leave, to be taunting and almost cruel. He said something along the lines "It's easy to win with grace and charm, let's see how you take losing." What kind of "friend" would feel the need to say that? (And now he's shown us all how much grace and charm he has when he loses, LOL.) BTW, Ethan was the epitome of a graceful loser. Can Lex's sons say that about their father?

Hippyt
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09-10-2001

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 4:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here here Mocha! I totally agree with you. If you wanna lie and decieve your way through the game,and you win. You still win. If you are honest and nice and win. You win. Makes no difference to me how you did it. And,it makes good tv.

Azriel
Member

08-01-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 6:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Cassie, I think Lex was cruel with that remark, too. I think that was an uglier remark than anything that Rob has said during the game. Rob's remarks are about people IN the game and about the game and gameplay. Lex's remark to Ethan was a taunting, personal remark that had nothing to do with the game.

I personally don't like how Rob is playing the game, but he is playing the game exactly like he played it before. Lex chose to be his friend after seeing how he played the first game. It's like Lex is saying, 'It's okay for you to treat other people in a game like that, but not ME.'

Ketchuplover
Member

08-30-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lancecrossfire is a moderator?????????????

Yuhuru
Member

09-27-2001

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 6:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This doesn't really answer your question, but I really think that Lex has a distorted view of friendship. Why would you give up a friendship after one negative experience/incedent? If the person is your friend, why wouldn't you want to patch things up? I think his kids could benefit from a lesson in forgiveness, if he willing to teach them.

Cassie
Member

07-15-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 7:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<Lancecrossfire is a moderator?????????????>

Yup.



Knightpatti
Member

12-06-2001

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 8:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Great posts and great insights from all of you. Alot to think about from everything you all have said. Thanks for sharing!

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 10:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
KL--been one for awhile and always admitted it.

Cassie, I agree with you completely about Lex's comment to Ethan about winning with grace and losing with grace. Sour grapes left over from Africa, and totally uncalled for.

If he doesn't know by know if Ethan can lose with grace or not, I wouldn't think they were that good of friends. I would think that is something you'd know about your true friends.

Goes back to Tobor's original issue--that Survivor isn't "just a game".

Mocha, I agree that either way it's a win--yet still the way you (not you personally--the generic you) goes about doing it counts a lot.

Heck, juts look at this board. Some people take things personally, some mean them personally ,and some don't--and it isn't even set up ot be a competition.

Yuhuru--I think different people have different lines that a friend can cross before they aren't a friend any more. Not saying what is the right line or wrong line--just that it happens that way.

One thing I have learned about such games--that until you play them, it's tough to judge what will bother you and what will not. At the risk of being struck down by Neil, playing Game I taught me this.

If you let yourself go in such a game as Survivor or BB, you get wrapped up in it. If you let yourself do anything other than what Brian did, it is more than just a game. By the very nature of why it's created, it is meant to be more than just a game.

Tobor7
Member

07-19-2002

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Then go one more step and ask if ANYTHING is really a "game."

It is still real life and real people, just with a different name slapped on it. You bring to the situation your life experience, and you do what has worked for you in the past--- and if you are smart, you do what you do best. You play your "A" game. And if you are a liar, you continue being a liar since you are so freaking good at it.

No matter what you do or where you do it, your actions go in the official record of your life.

If you do something (anything) and then rationalize that something with the, "it is just a game" or "it is just work" or "it is just (fill in the blank)" then...


...then...


Well, you know the rest of that sentence. I don't need to tell you the difference between what is right and what is wrong.


(Remember. The Indians root for the Indians.)


Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:15 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So many thoughtful comments in this thread.

Colby.. I think he made comments this season that it was going to be different this season, and that's why he wanted Ethan and Jerri where he could "control" what happened to them.. of course Lex outwitted him and Colby was out of there. I think Colby INTENDED to play differently, no more "mr nice guy" this season, but perhaps he simply couldn't pull it off. We'll never know. He wasn't at all sorry that Tina was gone early, and he was fully intending that all the first place winners were to go, so he wasn't caring about the other "nice" guys or gals.

Lex pledged to ally with Kathy, Shii Ann and Jerri, yet Rob was able to turn him to dump Jerri and keep Amber. Lex may say that is different, but only because he defines it differently.

I don't like Rob and hate his comments but he actually was more "loyal" to his alliances than Amber this week.. Amber was ready to dump Rupert and Jenna ASAP.

Rob isn't acting any differently this season, and I have to think his friends led him to believe that he played a great game. I'm sure Lex was among that group. So why does Lex think that just for him, Rob would be different?

Tobor7
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07-19-2002

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rob is playing with The Power of Jee. <tpoj>