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Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 3:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ce soir is Frech for 'tonight' Teach.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 3:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
lol....French ;)

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 6:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh that's right! I saw it in TV Guide where they talked about the Survivor dating pool. The article had a lot about Ethan, but Rob and Amber where the main story.

Jimmer
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08-30-2000

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 11:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In the previous Survivor he was on, Rob seemed to give the impression that he was a macho kind of guy who would use a relationship on the show to manipulate and get his way and then drop things after that. What I truly find astonishing about this season his how hard Rob appears to have fallen for Amber. I get the impression that Amber is in control of that relationship and in control of her emotions, where Rob simply appears to have lost it. Amazing.

Cpmfinster
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12-01-2003

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 1:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Let's suppose for a second that it wasn't Boston Robs decision to boot Lex

With that in mind, he was delivering the news that he couldn't stick to his "Take care of Amber & I'll take care of you" statement. Boston Rob later clarified his promise to Lex, after they were together, saying that when the time came, he would do what he could to save Lex.

Did Boston Rob do what he could? We'll never know. We weren't privy to the conversation(s) that sealed Lex' fate.

I got the impression it wasn't BRs decision. We didn't get to see who actually made the call to boot Lex. We only saw he and Amber discuss it. When BR was talking to Lex he mentioned at least 4 or 5 people that were voting for Lex (IIRC).

In that type of situation if BR was to go against the group and lobby to save Lex, it would only make everyone suspicious of him and put even more of a target on his back.

Anyway, what I would've liked to hear from BR but didn't is: Hey Lex, sorry man, but, I tried.


Teachmichigan
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07-22-2001

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 9:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Rupertbear. :-) Hablo espanol...pero no se el frances!

Spear
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08-06-2001

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 10:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think it's pretty obvious that Rob had no intention of sticking to his deal with Lex. He quickly discouraged Amber from thinking about booting Rupert or Jenna. In his confessional, he even mocked Lex for taking him seriously. He could have easily let Lex win immunity without being too obvious and still booted out Shii-Ann, all the while claiming that he agreed to take care of Lex only. (Of course, Amber would have then taken the heat for breaking her promise with Lex/Kathy/Shii-Ann.)

Saying "I'll take care of you" and then changing it to "I'll do what I can" is not "clarifying" -- it's reneging. Since he didn't actually do what he could, it was also lying. Nothing wrong with that, of course -- it's not against the rules to lie. There's also nothing wrong with Rob trying to spin this however way he wants -- he still has to (or had to) play to the jury. However, we viewers don't have to believe his BS.


Azriel
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08-01-2000

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Spear, I don't dispute that Rob went back on his word. Rob tried to play semantics with his words, but he sent a pretty clear message to Lex.

I have trouble with using that as a justification for the extent of Lex's anger, though. By Lex's own words he stated that he kept Amber as a strategic move. Kathy wanted to vote out Jerri and to strengthen his alliance bonds with Kathy, he went along with her and voted Jerri out. He did not keep Amber as a favor to Rob and a tribute to their friendship.

Lex presents it to Rob as if friendship was his motivation and waits to reap the rewards for his non-favor. Rob, then 'betrays' Lex. Surprise, surprise! Lex finds out that Rob is playing the game exactly like he is -

1.Use prior friendship and establish bonds of trust.

2. Sit your friend down and with calm and reason state that this is business and shouldn't affect your friendship.

3. Insert knife firmly in friend's back and twist.

4. As your friend's torch is snuffed out, ask for your knife back, because there are other lambs waiting in the sacrifice line.


Spear
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08-06-2001

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 2:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, I agree that it was silly for Lex (and Kathy) to get so worked up about it (at least until he saw that clip of Rob mocking him). It was as silly as the time he went nuts after finding out that someone voted against him in Africa. It was as silly a reaction as when Ethan shook his fists and whined about how he "deserved" to stay in Panama more than Jerri.

Although we don't know exactly what Lex promised Jerri, I can agree that what happened to Lex was as bad as what happened to Jerri -- even Lex admits that. However, the difference between Rob and Lex is that Rob never intended to honor his deal with Lex, while Lex didn't intend to deceive Jerri -- he changed his mind and seemed to be genuinely sorry about it. Rob, on the other hand, laughed about his ability to deceive his "friend".

As for Ethan, I agree that Lex's parting comment was uncalled for but I don't see that he used Ethan in any way. Lex didn't ask Ethan for any favors. If anything, it was Ethan who was asking for a favor as a friend (just like Rob did), as if he assumed he had an automatic seat in Lex's alliance. I don't think refusing to grant a favor is abusing a friendship.

Again, I'm not saying that Rob did anything illegal. I just don't see that what he did and what Lex did are completely equivalent.


Roxip
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01-29-2004

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 11:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nobody knows who wins yet...could be Rob and Amber are staying together "strategically" until they find out who wins the $1 million...LOL!

Okay, so I'm feeling cynical today.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
According to People magazine Rob and Amber are still "together" and visiting each other. I heard a second hand report a couple days ago that the two of them were spotted recently in in a shopping mall north of Pittsburgh. Amber is from Pittsburgh. Maybe one or both of them is in the final 2.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Or maybe they really do like each other.....

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You're welcome, Teach...it's all Latin to me

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I love Roxip's spin on it! lol

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 12:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i would hate to think that they were staying together to see who wins the money, however, lets be truthful THIS SEASON HAS BEEN KINDA BORING! The Rob Amber romance has been seriously played up in editing....I would think that it would be in their best interests (and the show's) to appear that they were still "an item".
Yeah yeah yeah, I'm a cynic too.