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Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 5:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
like I posted earlier:

water

Catfat
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02-27-2002

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 5:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think if a person goes from drinking sanitized city water, straight to a back country water hole (in any country), he is more likely to become ill from microbes. If a person has grown up ingesting odds and ends that live in water, he will have built up a tolerance of sorts. I grew up in the desert of Arizona, even the city water was questionable. My family has travelled to lots of not-so-clean places and we have had far fewer intestinal upsets than anyone I know.
I think Sue and Rudy are right, the water is probably OK to drink, and is better than severe dehydration and having your kidneys, brain and other organs shut down.


Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 6:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Heck, its like Sue says....If you have drunk Canadian lake water you can handle anything.

Jami
Member

10-08-2003

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 6:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I also thought the water must have been treated to be clean and then "dirtied" up to appear contaminated. I can't believe they would put the people in that real danger.

Twiggyish
Member

08-14-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 7:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It looks like a buried tank of water. Each tribe has the same tank. It's obviously not a well.

Glennk
Member

12-19-2003

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I like Richard's (& Sue's)strategy. He knows he's a target and he'll have to do things differently this time. Being lazy and obnoxious (and naked) every chance you get may get you voted out early in regular Survivor competition, but others might see the value of keeping him around for these very reasons, and look for more obvious threats to their winning.

Vsmart
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02-10-2003

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 7:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You don't have to go to a 3rd world country. Everyone on my block got sick from Giardia when we lived in Marin County (other side of Golden Gate Bridge). Even tho the water co did not admit to a break, the next week the water tasted alot more chlorinated than usual. Would not wish to ever go thru that again-lost 6 lbs in 2 days from the runs. And the medicine has side effects.

Azriel
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Even if they treated the water when they first put it in there, it wouldn't stay uncontaminated for long.

When Lex got back from Africa, he was seriously ill with parasites and bacteria in his blood stream. (Remember the Africa elephant dung water?) At one point in the game he was peeing blood and they still didn't take him out of the game. I've heard several other Survivors that had parasites when they came home. Daniel from S2, Heidi and I'm sure there are others.

I don't think they have treated the water. I think they are serious when they have people sign contracts and they warn them of the dangers. If they drink the water after being warned - TOUGH. It's part of the show and you take your risks. They aren't going to interfere in the game to keep someone from getting parasites if they are dumb enough to drink the water without boiling it properly first.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sandra reported parasites as well - and she was in the Pearl Islands.

If I was really stranded I would choose to drink the water before I passed out from dehydration. These guys have a tougher decision. It isn't life or death. It's stay in the game or not. Be resposible for many thousands in medical bills or not. BTW - I have drank water out of the back-country without boiling it and had NO side effects - but it's a risky thing to do...

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In a college biology class I had a prof who was really facinated by parasites etc and discussed them at length. (After these lectures I will NEVER eat undercooked pork or beef ever again.) The U.S., Canada, Europe are less affected than some places (Africa, Central Am, etc) for the simple reason we live in a temperate climate. Temperate climates have the fewest parasite problems - but we still have them and they are serious.

The other thing he said is each person becomes accustomed and resistent to parasite strains and types common in their area. So, anyone who travels anywhere new and unfamiliar may have problems. Basically he said someone from Mexico coming to the States and drinking our water can get jut as sick as we do going there.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 8:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with Catfat- it has to do with building up immunity. When we purified water drinkers go to places like Mexico, we can't (or aren't really supposed to) drink the water. Meanwhile, those who grew up there bathe in it and drink it and they're just fine. They're adjusted to it.

It kind of reminds me of the whole thing with parents freaking out about their babies getting any germs whatsoever on them- basically sanitizing their children- and their kids are the ones who are sick most often once they're in school.

Would I drink it? Ummm...hard to say. I would try pretty hard to not get that desperate. The rainwater I would do, like they were doing at TC soaking it on their buffs and collecting it in their hands. The stagnant water- I don't honestly know. I've drinken river water in Wisconsin, Oregon, and Arizona as well as Lake Superior water. When I was in high school I lived by Lake Michigan and swam in Lake Michigan (way dirtier than Lake Superior, especially where I lived near Milwaukee). I didn't drink it on purpose, but I was in it a lot and I'm sure I ingested plenty. Well, I did drink some once but that's a long story in itself. I was always fine. I kind of think our bodies can handle a lot more than we think they can. So I suppose with the Survivor stagnant water I would probably sip a little if I really needed to and see what happened. Or I would watch Sue and see what happens to her. :-)

Azriel
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You know it grossed me out when they were squeezing the water from their buffs into their mouth. Where the hell had those buff been? It was probably worse to drink the buff water than the well water!

I think they face more risks from eating with their dirty hands, too. Lord knows what has crawled up under their fingernails.

Azriel
Member

08-01-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 9:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gina, my mom drummed into us to cook the pork thoroughly. You can't get juicy pork chops at my house. Mine are cooked till they are tough as leather. You want moist pork chops? Then pass the gravy!

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 9:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'd taste small amounts of the water and see what happened. I wouldn't drink water from any other source, though.

Magicjet
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09-25-2003

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 12:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have often thought that some day someone will die on this show. I know they must have medical staff standing by but they are still too far to get immediate help if a poisonous snake struck, ect. I was most worried about the Africa show. The players looked near death at times and very dehydrated. Then there was the old guy on Marcases(sp) who had to get medical treatment 'cause he passed out. Ruddy worries me. I wouldn't want anything to happen to him, even though I know he is strong, he is 75. I think the producers should at least furnish water and vitamins. Just some thoughts.

Dogdoc
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09-29-2001

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 5:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have a feeling that the water is not as bad as it looks. About making a fire, after the rain at tribal council, I don't think any fire would have survived.They need a cave. Now that everything is wet I doubt they will find dry vegetation to use. I am wondering if the goggles they gave them for the immunity challenge might be something to focus light to start a fire.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 1:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ooohhhh...very good thinking, Dogdoc!

They must cut them some slack though...wet wood, wet everthing...

No fire, no water, no food...won't be much of a show with 17 dead corpses on their hands...

Spunky
Member

10-08-2001

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 1:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder if they get all sorts of immunization shots before going there. Did Rudy and Sue get really sick?? They didn't show that very well..

Why didn't they make them earn fire with the challenges?

As for Richard, he was more likeable the first time, now I can see added arrogance, and uses his nudity to annoy the others... and me for that matters, not the nudity, but the white spot, that gives poor Richar not a very 'manly' look... like he's missing something vital!!!

I agree that I wouldn't have a previous winner win again... Go Rupert Go!!

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 3:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Originally I also thought it wouldn't be fair for a previous winner to win again. But Ethan's comment at tribal council made me reconsider.

What if all the Superbowl non-winning teams decided that previous winners couldn't compete? Would football fans think it was fair to exclude their favorite teams because they had won before? Of course not, that would be silly. So why is it so wrong to allow previous winners to compete in survivor? Is it any less a contest or game? I feel if they can compete and go the distance, they should have just as much right to win as any previous non-winner. Anyone who puts themselves out there and goes through that kind of crap deserves to win.

I agree with Tina's boot...I just don't agree with the reasoning behind it.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 3:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with Ethan completely--in a sport you don't get rid of the other team just because they won.

The problem with that analogy though, is that in other sports, the way you play isn't about removing the other team from a chance to win.

In sports what does happen is that everyone goes after the champion during the regular season--be it football, basketball, baseball, etc. In Survivor, the "regular season" consists of removing people till you get to the playoffs--which is the final two.

In survivor, often times the best person doesn't win, because they get rid of the strongest players in the middle of the game. So for the people playing survivor, the only way they can go after the champion in "regular season" play is to boot them during that time. Not saying I agree it should or shouldn't be done--just wanted to point out there is a difference in most sports seasons from that of Survivor.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kep, great to see you posting again! Hope you are enjoying Survivor!

Reiki
Member

08-12-2000

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 4:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I did think Ethan was smart to suggest to Jenna L that taking a former winner to final 2 was a good way to guarantee a win. Too bad she didn't take the bait.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 4:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Point taken LC...I understand the difference, and maybe it is good strategy to go after previous winners based on their "champion" status. It was just the thought that a previous winner winning again would be considered "unfair" that made it sound like the only reason they were being targeted was because they didn't deserve to win again.

Thanks LC...its great to be back!! Hope all is well with you and congrats on your Moderator status...I know for a fact it was well earned!!

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 4:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kep, as far as the thing about voting off just because you got the money once, I agree that is a goofy approach. I've always considered that not to be a valid reason--if it was, then they should only have people play who are very poor, as then all would be equally deserving.

Jenna L. is indeed using that way of thinking--personally, I don't agree. But if you think a champion is likely to win, then it makes sense to vote them off, in the context of the game. Rupert and Rudy were more along my way of thinking--hey, if you are good enough, then no problem winning the big money twice.

Kep, it's also good to know you are feeling better--that's the most important one!

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 4:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I would take any approach to vote anyone else off and if it sticks great. Jenna used that approach to deflect people from voting her off the island and it worked. Now if it comes to the jury and you have two people up there and one has won before and one has not, it wouldnt make a bit of difference to me. I would go with who played the best to get to the end game.

Upstate
Member

01-16-2004

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 5:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
the idea must of voting off previous winners must of ran through tina's mind. she said there would be a big target on all the winners from past survivor. as far as ethan. i think it serves him to say what he did as it did jenna to say what she was thinking. lets face it more then 1 winner over the survivor years were practically given to them. there could of been choices made by the immunity winner that would of put another one in the f2 that would of changed the outcome of who the winner was. tina being one and sandy from last survivor being another.
i saw kathy wore eye glasses. couldnt they use them to start the fire? as far as the goggles they are plastic so dont know if that would work.

i'm hoping jerri wins. just because i think it will make so many ticked off. lol love it!

Texasdeb
Member

05-23-2003

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 6:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What about the Neleh/Vecepia F2 - if they wouldn't have made the "deal" in the final challenge to be F2 & either would have taken Kathy I think Kathy would have won. Matt should have won against Jenna M. I believe even Rob C. should have won against Jenna. Kim would have had a better chance against Lex in F2 Africa but took Ethan instead. Clearly Coby should have won Sur2. Richard/Kelly Sur1 was a toss up - Kelly would have had my vote. I was so glad Lil took Sandra to F2 because I would have puked over a Lil or Johnny Fairplay win. The only Survivor IMO that the overall clear winner won was the one with Brian porn guy. He clearly did outsmart,outplay, & outlast all of the others. That means IMO only one prev. winner without a shadow of doubt earned their win.

Pascalle
Member

09-25-2003

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 - 8:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Speaking of Matt from the Amazon, he was one of the greatest survivors I've ever seen. Why isn't he in this show? Then again, why did Jenna win Amazon?