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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, April 16, 2004 - 7:25 pm
His sad puppy dog eyes were "working it" with his fellow Survivors this last episode. As a goodwill offering Rob gives up his right to see his Brother's video in exchange for ALL of the letters to be given out. The teams have merged and things are going to get more paranoid fast. Will Rob's grandiose effort to make amends take him farther in the game? He seemed less cocky and controlling this episode. Will we see a sweeter kinder Rob or is it an act?
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Hamsterlady
Member
07-03-2003
| Friday, April 16, 2004 - 7:53 pm
It's an act. He admitted that it was a strategic move on his part giving up his video so that everyone could read their letters.
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Elle
Member
08-29-2000
| Friday, April 16, 2004 - 9:43 pm
it was part an act and part just the right thing to do. i've always thought rob had a big sweet side, his cockiness is for show - a guy thing. it was stratigicly (sp?) right for boston rob's allince group to vote off lex when they did and if lex would come down off his 'high horse' he'd admit it. lex, imo, is a sore loser. rob all the way...
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 1:10 pm
I can't really say if Rob knowingly gave up his video for strategy or just out of the kindness of his heart. I like to believe that ALL people have some good in them, annd there is the possibility (however remote) that Rob did have a soft moment for his tribe mates. But based on his former actions, I have a bit of difficulty believing that to be his sole motivation for his "kind" act. I believe that Rob was a tad shaken by the open plotting against him. He was at a point where he absolutely believed NO ONE would cross him openly, and here was Kathy and Shi-ann, trying to take him down. And not even trying to hide it!! The gall of these women...to cross the Robfather!! I don't think Rob was worried it would work or anything (his statement about deciding who and when people get voted off proves that), but I do think he was trying to change his image a tad, just in case any of the remaining members started to dwell on what Kathy said about Rob. But whatever his motives... I was really glad that everyone got to read their letters. And as far as I'm concerned...everything else is secondary to that fact
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Magicjet
Member
09-25-2003
| Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 9:45 pm
If you watched the show, Rob clearly stated it was a little of both. In my mind he can't be faulted for playing the game. That is the problem I have with BB and Survivor. I always want the one who played the hardest to win. A lot of people always root for the nice players but to me it is a game and in the end game, you can't spare players. You have to cut people to win. The way you cut them cannot or should not be the main issue if you are really serious about the money. The best way is to manage to cut people without pissing them off but that is almost impossible as the game progresses. I would think this would be self evident to everyone. I wish people would remember this before BB and Amazing Race starts this July.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 10:14 pm
I was actually impressed with Rob’s “confessional” with respect to giving up the video reward so that the others could read their letters. He started out talking about feelings and then went on to state that he also did it for strategic reasons. He showed that he wasn’t trying to pass it off as something it wasn’t (at least he’s not deluding himself or the viewers by pretending to be something he isn’t). As far as strategy goes it was a very good one in my opinion. It gave the others something that they badly wanted at little cost to himself and most importantly, it prevented a potentially embarrassing and possibly destructive viewing of a video that Rob had no control over making. It was a very smart move on his part.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 10:23 pm
Personally, I think Rob's strategy is terrible when it comes to getting the votes to win Sole Survivor. Already, two members of the jury have left the island with distaste and anger toward Rob. If he continues to betray people (which I think he will), he won't get any votes to win. This part of Survivor isn't just about winning. It's also about being a politician. Voting out people smoothly so that they still give you the vote in the end. IMO, he hasn't done that so far. And, if the letters were an attempt to do so, well...
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 10:36 pm
Rob seems totally fixated on taking Amber to the end (or her taking him) and his “strategy” if you can call it that reflects that goal. It appears that he will do anything and sacrifice anything to try to accomplish that including making ridiculous promises to Lex and Kathy that he was unable to keep. It was an impossible no win situation. Offend Lex and Kathy or switch sides and potentially lose all the votes from his other tribe members. Rob is locked into the Amber strategy – I seriously doubt at this point that either of them could defeat anyone else in a final two at the end. However, if they both get to the end then the jury has no choice.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 6:16 am
Ding ding ding... we have a winnah!! Wendo's post said almost exactly what I was gonna say. Rob needs to remember that those who he've been instrumental in getting voted off are the very same ones who will vote for him (or not) to win the game. I'm hoping the previews for next week foretell a change on that island. Because this is just too predictable (and boring) as it is. And if Rob and Amber *do* make it all the way to F2, this actually may be the last Survivor I watch. (Then again, if that happens, this may be the last All Stars Survivor that airs! <grin>)
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 9:31 am
...and most importantly, it prevented a potentially embarrassing and possibly destructive viewing of a video that Rob had no control over making. Jimmer...what does that mean? Do you think his brother would have done something on tape to embarrass Rob? Just curious. I thought Rob's tape was a bit unusual, and his brother a bit obnoxious, but it was clear his brother loved him a lot. How would the tape be destructive? Also, I don't have a problem with the way Rob is playing the game. Its necessary to make alliances and then break them, others as well as Rob have found it necessary to backstab and lie in the course of the game. When you think about it, that is the way this game is set up to be played. Its nearly impossible to play this game without lying, backstabbing...etc. I take exception to the way Rob ridicules and belittles his tribmates. That isn't the way the game is played, nor does it advance him or provide him a better chance of winning. That type of behaviour is done out of pure spite and meaness, qualities that do not make a good game player. Playing hard or not, someone who is nasty and mean doesn't deserve to win. jmho
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Starfire
Member
02-12-2003
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:26 am
I think the above post was refering to Brian's post how his wife showed he had alot of stuff. That would of bad for him if he wasn't up against Clay. Yes Rob is playing the game but I think he <acts like--LC> a punk. You don't have to be nasty about your tribmates. What goes around comes around. I'm waiting for him to get it.
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Texasdeb
Member
05-23-2003
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 1:12 pm
I'm so waiting for the others to all open their eyes & out the Robfather at their 1st chance. If not for his lying then for the fact that he has proven himself to be the biggest threat to win at the challenges. In the individual part of this show shouldn't that be where you look when time to evict? I think they all kind of feel this way but don't have trust in any of the others to be the one to bring this up. Especially considering the fact that all but Shi-Ann have been on his team and might be a threat to take any plotting they hear about him back to him to better their self in the Robfather's eyes. It's a huge risk & all but Shi-Ann must be considering themselves safe at least through the next elimation. I see Shi-Ann being the only one to try to stir thing up but hopefully the others will listen to her (as I hope they listened to Kathy) & use the insight these 2 women give them to get this guy out of the drivers seat. If not - then they don't deserve to whine as he takes them down 1 at a time until he & Amber are sitting cozy as F2.
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 3:50 pm
I'm not sure why, but I've always liked Rob. They are definately editing in some of his nicer side now. If he goes to F2 and wins, we'd all be dumbfounded because they've mostly edited in negative stuff about him. They've got to show both sides. BTW - Reguarding not seeing the video. In previous seasons some of the longer family videos have raised questions amongst the fellow survivor's. In S2, Greg's sister acted sorta odd, almost like a girlfriend, not sister. In Thailand Brian's 'hot wife' shook her booty for the camera and then preceded to take the camera on a tour of their large house and garage - filled with high end cars. So, while we may love our families, even with all their faults, they may not be something to show off to folks who could use 'oddities' against you. I don't know, because I didn't see it, but some guy dressed up as Don King might very well be offensive to some.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 9:43 pm
I look at it this way when it comes to Rob not playing the "politician". (And yes, I understand that Survivor also includes lying and deceit.) But, how one accomplishes this helps to determine whether they'll get that all important vote from the jury members. And, as I said, as of now, I don't see him getting Kathy or Lex's vote. He traded on friendship to save Amber, yet wasn't able to follow through for Lex (or didn't want to.) But, Lex is one po'd jury member right now. (Kathy too, to an extent. Though, I could possibly see Kathy voting for Rob over Amber.) However, if things go according to "plan" for Rob, he's going to potentially betray, at least, more people. Alicia, whom he promised never to write her name down (as did she, which could include the final vote.) Tom, who he's promised final three with he and Amber; if Tom gets booted before then he may hold it against Rob. That's four jury members right there. (And, if it's an Amber/Rob final, I see Jenna voting for Amber to win over Rob.) Frankly, the only way I see Rob winning the million if he's in the final two is, one, he's with Amber (I think he'd lose against anyone else) and two, he gives a kick @ss Q&A and final statement to the jury. If not, it's goodbye 900 grand. Of course, JMO...I could be wrong...LOL!
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:09 pm
Wendo - Once again you've written what I've been thinking! Rob may have played a good game up until now, but he's not winning any friends on the jury and he won't if he continues. Then again, we never thought that Jenna would win over Matt and look what happened there?!!!! arrrgh!!! 
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Watching2
Member
07-07-2001
| Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 10:10 pm
Oh yeah, did anyone else see the cover or People magazine which has a line about Rob and Amber still being in love? I just caught a quick glimpse of it when I was rushing to cash out.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, April 19, 2004 - 1:08 am
SO far Rob has stayed "loyal" to his tribe. If he starts to keep his MOUTH shut before the votes Rob may have a chance. If he mouths off and alienates everyone Rob will not win at the end even if he makes it. I'd say they all are basically playing 'everyone for themselves' at this point. So who really knows? I still havent broken down and read the SPOILER board. I keep hoping that I will become inspired and start rooting for someone...but right now, I dont care WHO wins! I was rooting for Kathy when this season started but her edited behaviour turned me completely off.
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Jimmer
Member
08-30-2000
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 11:57 am
Yes … Starfire and Gina were absolutely right about what I was referring to with respect to Rob and the video. The one thing that the Survivors can’t control is how their family and friends act. I can think of a few examples where this has potentially hurt a Survivor’s chances (as Gina and Starfire mentioned). Brian and his hot wife, many cars and large house, Greg’s wacky sister, Rupert having a very attractive wife and child who adore him, etc. If Rob’s brother were to act like an idiot in the video (I’m not saying he was), that could hurt Rob’s chances. Even if his brother were simply to act goofy, it might anger some other contestants who sincerely were desperate to see their loved ones. The only reason that Rob tried to win that challenge was for immunity – it just happened to be a combined challenge. With respect to Rob winning if he reaches the final two with Amber (as he seems to be planning with his strategy), I think he has a very good chance of winning against Amber as long as the jurors feel he “deserves” it more than she does based on his game playing. The thing that I like the most about Rob is that he doesn’t appear to be putting on an act (at least to the viewers anyway). More than anything, I can’t stand hypocrisy in this game and so far Rob hasn’t shown any sign of that.
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Elle
Member
08-29-2000
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 1:08 pm
jimmer - you took the words right out of my mouth. ditto
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 1:08 pm
I agree with Jimmer on Rob being himself. I believe the Rob we see is the "real" Rob.
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Sasha
Member
03-06-2004
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 8:22 pm
I agree with Jimmer as well. Love him or hate him ....Rob is being Rob. I don't know if the viewers are getting a realistic taste of Rupert, Kathy or Lex.
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Kmjm
Member
05-19-2002
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 9:36 pm
Watching2- I looked at that in the check-out line too (always a sucker for a romance as you know!). It was a brief story that just said that they really are an item since the end of taping and are supposedly in love- not living in the same city but getting together regularly. I find this new romantic Rob rather incongruous- I always thought he pretty much acted like he was a big sexist jerk, but then so much is in the editing!
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 10:43 pm
I think people can be in love with someone and still feel the other person should be making their sandwiches and fetching beers. Just a different definition of love than what I have. Not saying Rob is like that. I don't know for sure outside the game--just saying you can be a sexist and still feel what you would call love.
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Wendo
Member
08-07-2000
| Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 3:45 am
Rob doesn't have to open his mouth from here on out to still lose the money if he makes final two. He already opened his mouth to get in trouble. One, Alicia and two, Tom. If Amber and Rob are final four with Rupert and Jenna, then he betrays Tom and Alicia after PROMISING them things. Rob would maybe keep Rupert and Jenna's vote but what about the others? I guess we'll see as the show continues. LOL!
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Sbw
Member
08-09-2000
| Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 5:59 am
I think "some" people can "not even like" someone and still feel the other person should be making their sandwiches and fetching beers. "Some people just feel as if everyone else owes them everything."
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