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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Saturday, February 07, 2004 - 1:43 am
Picking may be hard, but scoring the result is easy. If there is no immunity challenge because someone has quit, then there will be no correct answer for immunity winner and the person who quit will be the correct voted off answer. If there is an immunity challenge, then the correct immunity answer will be the team(s) that win the immunity challenge. If someone then quits from a team that has immunity, the immunity challenge results will still stand and the quitter will be the correct voted off answer. So, basically, you need to look at the immunity and the voted off pick as separate picks and allow for the possibility that someone with immunity can quit or be disqualified from the game. If someone is then voted off, there would be 2 correct vote off answers that week. To take it to the extreme, after the merge into one tribe, it would be possible for an individual to win immunity and choose to quit the game. In that case they would be the correct answer for both the immunity and the voted off pick. I know it sounds a little silly and could be handled 100 different ways, but with all the possible twists EMB could throw in, it really is hard to anticipate everything ahead of time. By looking at everything separately, the scoring should hopefully be straight forward. Hope this helps.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Monday, February 09, 2004 - 4:40 pm
Less than 6 hours left for 80 point bonus. The following 46 players have not posted their Deadpool picks for Week 3
...... | Alaginger | ...... | Gidget | ...... | Koutisha | ...... | Scootersmom | ...... | Bakerygirl | ...... | Grannyg | ...... | Ladytex | ...... | Star291999 | ...... | Bob2112 | ...... | Halfunit | ...... | Lauram | ...... | Strawberry | ...... | Brenda1966 | ...... | Hamsterlady | ...... | Lobster | ...... | Sunrvrose | ...... | Caroline | ...... | Hippyt | ...... | Maryk | ...... | Tabbyking | ...... | Cjr | ...... | Indigospy | ...... | Melfie1222 | ...... | Tatyana | ...... | Cooki | ...... | Jbean | ...... | Meli456 | ...... | Urgrace | ...... | Cricket | ...... | Jeep | ...... | Mocha | ...... | Webkitty | ...... | Dipo | ...... | Jefe | ...... | Nimtu | ...... | Wendo | ...... | Donut | ...... | Jenhavins | ...... | Polypody | ...... | Whoami | ...... | Ducky | ...... | Kady | ...... | Puttergirl | ...... | Emt911 | ...... | Kealoha | ...... | Redstar | |
Pick Before 9:00 PM PST on Monday | 80 points | Pick Before 9:00 PM PST on Tuesday | 40 points | Pick Before 9:00 PM PST on Wednesday | 0 points | Pick Before Start of Show on Thursday | -40 points | Forget To Pick | -80 points |
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 8:26 pm
i see that bob2112 and theowl and some others haven't been playing the fantasy game and our stats are really low! http://www.fantasysurvivor8.com/
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 12:33 pm
Just Under 6 Hours Left For Picks The following player has not posted their Deadpool picks for Week 3 Bakerygirl
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 7:48 pm
Week 3 Results have been posted. Week 4 Voting is now open. For week 3, I counted both Chapera and Mogo Mogo as a correct pick for the Reward Challenge since they both received a reward. Also, since there was no Immunity Challenge this week, no points were earned for that category.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 8:09 pm
This has also been posted in the Rules Thread. Rule Update #1: Since Survivor has been getting more creative with its twists, the potential exists for no person or team to be the correct answer to any of the questions. To allow Deadpool players to be more aggressive with their picks, you are allowed to specify Nobody for any of your picks. If you pick Nobody and there is a correct answer, you will be get -10 points.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 8:11 pm
Bob, nice addition to your rule about being able to pick no body, and the results. Very fair, can allow for aggressive voting. Thanks for thinking that one up.
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Maryk
Member
01-30-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:01 am
Just a question for clarification. The RC challenge scoring - you gave it both to Chapera and Mogo Mogo. I (and possibly others) picked Chapera under the impression that the team who technically won the challenge is the RC winner. Now it turns out people who picked Mogo Mogo (who placed 2nd) actually get a higher bonus than those who picked Chapera. Just an observation - Bob... Your doing a great job at the game. Thank you very much!
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Jeep
Member
10-17-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:40 am
So, that's it. I couldn't figure out why some scores were higher than mine, when I picked the RC winner that got first prize. Good observation Maryk. Not sure I agree with it, but at least I know why. Still love the game Bob!
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:16 pm
The points are always determined by how many other players picked each correct answer. This week, 66.670% picked Chapera for reward, so their bonus was only 6.666 points. Mogo Mogo was picked by only 18.390% of the players, so their bonus was 16.322 points. This is actually how it is designed to work. Many people feel Chapera is a dominant team, so they are a safer pick to win challenges. Mogo Mogo is a riskier pick, since they would not have earned any points if only one team had received the reward through the competition. Now, deciding which answers are correct is really what people are asking about. In Puttergirl's game, she decided that Chapera was the only correct answer for the team that won the reward. In the Deadpool Rules there is a paragraph describing how I determine the correct answers for each of the 4 categories. Here's what it says about determining the Reward Winner:Pre-merge: The correct answer will be the team that actually wins the reward. If more than one team can win the reward, then there will be multiple correct answers. If the winning team is allowed to share or give away the reward, the correct answer will only be the original team or teams that won the reward. Since the first 2 teams won a reward, they are both considered correct answers. In general, I have tried to lean towards more answers being correct, so that the bonus points will have a greater impact on how people pick. Mogo Mogo was the better pick in week 3, but would have earned you 0 points if the reward was only for one team (like in week 2). Week 2 is a good example of Saboga being the correct reward pick, even though they chose to share the reward with all 3 teams. Glad people are still enjoying the game, even with the complicated scoring system.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Monday, February 16, 2004 - 10:35 pm
The following 10 players have not posted their Deadpool picks for Week 4
...... | Bakerygirl | ...... | Indigospy | ...... | Maryk | ...... | Tatyana | ...... | Donut | ...... | Koutisha | ...... | Nimtu | ...... | Emt911 | ...... | Lobster | ...... | Padivius | |
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Lobster
Member
04-13-2001
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 5:09 pm
Dear Bob, I really and truly meant to post my pics by 9pm board time last nite. Unfortunately, I was caught up in watching Angel Season 3 on dvd. I just couldn't tear myself away. I was wondering if maybe you could make an exception and give me the extra points? Love, Your most loyal servant Lobster
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 5:49 pm
Lobster: If we vote on your question I think you would probably get Maryk and Nimtu to agree with you, but I think that would still leave you just a few votes shy. Points are divied by 10 this week, so you only lose out on 4 points. 
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Twiggyish
Member
08-14-2000
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 6:21 pm
I'll vote to give Lobster extra points!
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Tess
Member
04-13-2001
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 6:32 pm
Twigs, that's so nice of you to give Lobster 4 of your points.
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Lobster
Member
04-13-2001
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 7:49 pm
Thanks anyway, Bob. I just had to try ya know? LOL Twigs, thank you for your support!! We Peanuts got to stick together!!
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Puttergirl
Member
08-11-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:15 pm
OMG!!! I've never even been close to the top individually in the deadpool, and I'm in first!!! I'm sure it won't last, so I will enjoy it immensely this week!!!
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:18 pm
LOL Puttergirl!!!!!! Great job!
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:19 pm
Congrats to you Puttergirl--way to go! Heck, you could stay--you just never know till next week.
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Ddr
Member
08-19-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:19 pm
Congratulations Puttergirl!
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:14 pm
Voting is now open for the Week 5 show that will air on Thursday, February 26th. NOTE: Starting this week and continuing until after the tribes are merged into a single tribe, I am asking that you specify both a tribe and an individual for both the Reward Challenge and the Immunity Challenge. Please use the following format when posting your picks:Tribal Reward Winner: Individual Reward Winner: Tribal Immunity Winner: Individual Immunity Winner: Vote Off: Stay On: If you change the order, I will likely enter your data incorrectly. If you see someone posted in the wrong order, leave a note here so I don't mess up. Thanks.
Bonus Point Deadlines
Pick Before 9:00 PM PST on Monday | 80 points | Pick Before 9:00 PM PST on Tuesday | 40 points | Pick Before 9:00 PM PST on Wednesday | 0 points | Pick Before Start of Show on Thursday | -40 points | Forget To Pick | -80 points |
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Tess
Member
04-13-2001
| Friday, February 20, 2004 - 3:38 am
So let me see if I'm finally understanding this. Even though Chapera is the team that clearly won reward, because Saboga came in second and got a clue for their key (but didn't win reward), they are also counted as a correct answer for the reward challenge? eh? So you get fewer points for getting the answer correct than for guessing that maybe the second place team might get a key to their box even though they really didn't win. Now this week we pick a team, an individual and then there really might be a secondary winner when the other teams get their final clues.....or not? Every time I think I finally get it, I realize I don't. Sorry Bob. I guess I'm dense at 4am.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Friday, February 20, 2004 - 11:21 am
Sounds like you got it right, Tess. There may even be multiple reward winners when it's at the individual level and the first place finisher may not be worth as many points. IMO, in many weeks there should be fewer points for getting the winner of the Reward Challenge correct, since the winner is often easier to guess based on the previews. This week there were previews that all but showed Rob M and Amber using soap or shampoo. The difficult part is guessing if there will be any reward for second place and who that second place tribe will be. 7 people gave up the almost sure 6.28 points for picking Chapera for a chance to score 18.372 points with Saboga. They took the risk and were rewarded. If they were wrong, they would have received 0 points.
The reason we are now picking both a tribe and an individual is because the show is advertising a twist, which opens up the possibility of merging into one tribe and making all the challenges individual. Who knows? Reward could be tribal and then a merge could make Immunity individual. Some of your picks will likely not be used, but I get to enter them all anyway, so I'm hoping for a merge sooner than later. Funny thing is, nobody is making the same argument for the tribe that comes in second in the Immunity challenge. That tribe is also clearly not the winner of the Immunity Challenge, but since they also get immunity, I count it as a correct answer. That second place tribe often earns you more points than the tribe that come in first place. I guess the simplest thing is for me to stop using the term winner. I tried to explain that there would be multiple correct answers, both initially in the rules and a few times in this thread over the last few weeks. Here's my last attempt at explaining how the correct answers will be determinded for Reward and Immunity. I will also add this to the Rules thread, so it may be referenced as needed.
Correct Answers For Tribal Reward When the Reward Challenge is between tribes, the correct answers will include all teams that earn a reward based on the challenge, even if these rewards are not of equal value. Tribes that are given a reward after the challenge is over (like the sharing of the fire making supplies in episode 1) will not be considered a correct answer. Sometimes there will be a reward for second place and other times there will not. Since Chapera has already received their 3 clues, it may be possible that they do not receive a reward if they come in second place, but any of the other 2 tribes might receive another clue as reward if htey come in second. Correct Answers For Individual Reward When the Reward Challenge is between individuals, the correct answers will include all individuals that earn a reward based on the challenge, even if these rewards are not of equal value. Individuals that are given a reward after the challenge is over (like when Jeff says pick someone to come along) will not be considered a correct answer. Sometimes there is no Reward Challenge when the tribes merge into one tribe, but they may get food to celebrate. If there is no challenge, then the correct answer for that week will be Nobody. Correct Answers For Tribal Immunity If there is no Immunity Challenge, then the correct answer is Nobody. If there is an Immunity Challenge, then the correct answer will be all tribes that earn a piece of the immunity idol. If someone decides to quit the game after the Immunity Challenge has take place, the results of the Immunity Challenge will still stand, even if there is no tribal council. Correct Answers For Individual Immunity If there is no Immunity Challenge, then the correct answer is Nobody. If there is an Immunity Challenge, then the correct answer will be the player that earn immunity. If they decide to give out more than one immunity, then there could be multiple correct answers. A person receiving immunity as a gift will not be considered a correct answer. If there is no tribal council because a player quits, but the Immunity Challenge has already take place, then the results of the Immunity Challenge will stand.
OK, I typed these off the top of my head and they sound as stupid as they did when I first tried to do this in the rules thread. Look at the statistics post in the Results thread for the last 4 weeks and you can see how much difference there can be by not just following the pack or the spoilers. On a side note, rumor has it that the main spoiler that people have been using for the first 4 weeks may have run it's course and will not be accurate for the upcoming weeks. If this is true, there will be some big points for pplayers that correctly pick against the pack for this weeks boot.
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Webkitty
Member
07-24-2001
| Friday, February 20, 2004 - 12:28 pm
CONGRATULATIONS PUTTERGIRL! 
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Tess
Member
04-13-2001
| Friday, February 20, 2004 - 3:04 pm
There ya go! It 's the "even if the rewards are not of equal value" that clicks on my lightbulb. I haven't read anything about twists so I'm back to clueless on that one which is just fine with me. Oh, and I get the nobody thing, too. Perhaps there's hope for me after all. 
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