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Csnog
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07-18-2002

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 6:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Question: Can you not say •••••••. We can't print it in the paper. Is it fair to say that the people left are going to get big prizes, like 6 figures?
Jeff Probst: The money did go up. I don't have the exact numbers. I think it was a million for the winner, $250,000 for the runner up then $175,000 and then maybe 115, then maybe dropped into 85. I'll have those numbers on the Live Show. You started hearing people saying at Tribal Council or in interviews that there is a significant amount of money. It made a big difference in the end. The end is pretty personal. Probably the most honest and emotional Final Tribal that we've had since the very first season. Because they were friends and there's a lot of hurt feelings when this thing is over.

The pay went up for this show because some of the "stars" had agents and would not return until they agreed to pay them more.

I look for it to return to the $100,000 for 2nd place next season.

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 7:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My heart went out to Jerri. The booing threw her off and she did not finish articulating the valid point that this show is meant to be entertainment and the rancor is out of place. Bascially, lighten up everyone, we are real people with real feelings and this is a game.

TC was painful to watch. I certainly hope Lex and Tom regret their actions. They were both over the top and it made them look small. Again Hatch was able to make good points, my favorite being they kept Amber for several reasons, not JUST to honor Rob's request.

Jenna M's comment that her relationship with Ethan was deeper because it did not begin on ASS was rude and disrespectful.

Shi Ann emerged as a level headed and smart young woman. I was glad she made the point that she had conversations with Tom about booting Rob. Tom would have been stupid not to have entertained the thought and he refuses to admit this because it does not support his position of rightous indignation. Very childish.



Csnog
Member

07-18-2002

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 7:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ethan has had relationships with almost every decent looking girl that has been on Survivor. I don't see him staying with Jenna M very long.

Ethan is not looking for long term and is known to have a roving eye.

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
All I can say is....Thank God it is over.

I am so tired of this edition of Survivor.

I'm ready for BB to start now and speaking of which....the All-Stars equates with bringing the exs back last year in BB...a BIG dud.

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 7:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
jerri was given more of a chance to say her part this morning on the Early Show...with no booing. She basically said the same thing, but she was given the resoect to have the chance to say it. I do think that maybe she should stop doing reality shows if that's how she feels though.

Jenna also spoke briefly about her mom. Same basic thing- she'll be fine, she has a great support network and he mom is still "here" with her.

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This one was too vicious. Jeff stated in an interview that this game was best played by strangers. He is not enjoy this one either.

Yuhuru
Member

09-27-2001

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 8:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with you Fruit on every point.

In addition, I was really disappointed with Tom, Lex, Kathy, and Alicia, and impressed with Jenna, Rupert, and Shii Ann regarding they're attitudes about the game. I'm glad Richard made the points that he did at the reunion. I believe that those with hurt feelings are really only hurt because they are self-centered, and the game didn't go their way. I say no more all star survivors.

Also, I think Rob deserved the million. I voted for him. It doesn't matter to me that they've already won the money and cars.

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jerri seems to think we 'buy' the idea that she was 'scripted' as a villainess.

I believe the players true character emerges during the show. Even as Cruzlvr said with regard to Rob, the game is over and he is still talking nasty and is not in the least repentant about what he did, basically saying they are all acted like morons.

His girlfriend won the mil and he still cannot find it in himself to act graciously. He seems to want to grind people into the dust.

Jerry went on this second show to try and amend her 'tarnished' image but I found her no different from Australian Outback and she wonders why people dislike her?

Rudy, Colby and Rupert are universally loved and admired...and you know why? Because the all have integrity and moral standards.

Colby could have broken his word to Tina, taken Keith to final two instead and won a million bucks but his one value system, his own honesty and sense of fair play, his own code of honour (and I know many thought he was a idiot) wouldn't allow him to use and walk over other people, using and discarding to justify the end, which was only money.

I say 'only' money because some people don't put money ahead of everything else in life. And those are the ones who play with a modicum of honesty and respect for their fellow players.

I was heartened last night to hear the audiences warm reception for Rudy, Colby and Rupert because as far as I am concerned THEY are what real men are. I think Rob Mariano has a long, long way to go still.



Calamity
Member

10-18-2001

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 9:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I got home late from Mother's Day festivities and so didn't see the whole show (they were starting the final three IC by the time I turned it on). Thanks to the posters who spoil the show action for the board so I could read what I missed.

Congratulations to Amber & Rob. They deserved to be the final two - not that that's saying much considering their competition. And that's also not an endorsement of their obnoxious behavior during and after the game. But I wish them well.

It was painful to watch the jury during the final TC. And the reunion was downright unpleasant - right down to the jeering crowd. I hope Lex, Kathy, Tom, etc. are able to make peace with Rob & Amber and with their own actions as well. I agreed with Richard but am afraid his words just seemed to make a tense situation even worse. Between the arguing, eye-rolling, sulking, grandstanding, etc. it just wasn't any fun to watch. So I kept switching over to Harry Potter :-) . And looking forward to TAR!

I wish Rob C. could have been around longer. His quick wit and self-deprecating humor would have been a welcome distraction from the overall nastiness this season. I wish there had been some more competitive female contestants to challenge the others. I wish Lex had come up with a more brilliant plan than vote out the players who could have helped him while keeping one who was an obvious threat to his side.

No way can I vote for Rupert so I hope Colby wins the second-chance million. He didn't whine like Ethan, and was gracious both when he was kicked off and at the reunion.

Happymom
Member

01-20-2003

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It is so interesting that we all watched the same show and have such different opinions!

I was disappointed that Rob C didn't get a chance to talk at all. I know Alicia didn't either, but we saw a lot more of her on ASS than we did of Rob C.

When Jeff said "Amber gets the million either way" before he announced her as the winner, I thought Jeff had really slipped! He does look at the votes prior to the reveal every time to arrange them in a certain order...so...before that statement, he already knew that Amber had won. Does anyone else think Jeff slipped up?

Dram
Member

09-10-2003

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I also felt bad for Jerri. I know, I know, she brought a lot of it on herself during her first Survivor stint. Still, having thousands of people booing is tough. Also, anyone else notice that some of the men acted just as mean as Jerri did and they never got booed like her. I guess it's easy to be a tough/mean guy ala Johnny Fairplay or Boston Rob to name just two. The guys are never held to the same standards.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think he was saying she gets the million if she wins or if Rob wins. He could have said Rob instead of Amber and the statement would be true.

I'm sure he had seen the votes though, as they were arranged to have a 3/3 tie. His statement could be said if he hadn't seen the votes.

Cricket
Member

08-05-2002

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I enjoyed the show last night. I was curious why Rob C. didn't say anything.

I agree with other posters about Lex and Tom. They were over the top and rude.

When Alicia and Shii Ann were on their orginal survivors, I didn't like them much. However, this season, I liked them both a lot.

If Rob M. doesn't get the extra million, I'd like to see Alicia get it. She played the best game she could with the circumstances of which tribe she got on, etc. She kept her cool under trying conditions.

It was nice of Amber to give the car to Shii Ann. Good reasoning. I laughed when she automatically conferred with Rob as to who to choose. It was cute.

Karuuna
Member

08-31-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
On the early show, Harry called on Rob C and said that he knew Rob was angry 'cause Jeff didn't call on him at all....

So, if Rob C didn't say anything, it was due to Jeff P. Whether he didn't have enough time, or forgot, or whatever, I have no clue.

Tishala
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08-01-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 11:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was really impressed with Richard last night, as some of the other posters have said. He is proof of the Freudian point that progeny need to kill the father--symbolically, at least. He was the wisest, smartest, and most reasonable voice on the show and the other players last night showed great deference to him, even as those who disagreed with him wanted to minimize what he was saying.

And that gets us to the post-Freudian account of things; namely, the perspective of Jacques Lacan, the French psychoanalyst who famously said we have a choice between "Le pere ou pire." For a while, Lex tried to be the worse father, but he too was destroyed, so we have ended up with the father manque--Rob (the Rob Father). And the drama from Totem and Taboo has drawn to a close.

Cassie
Member

07-15-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 11:25 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL, Tish.

Ketchuplover
Member

08-30-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 11:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
freudian slip-when you say one thing and mean your mother

ps. I stole that :-)

Jhezzie
Member

07-05-2001

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 1:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMO, Jerri got booed because every time she emerges from yet another reality venue, she has the same complaint: "I'm not a pain in the ass. I'm just edited that way." Jerri, get a job away from the cameras, maybe?

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I was disappointed in last night's reunion show once it turned into the Rob and Amber show.

Usually we get to hear from all the contestants about one thing or another, but when Rob proposed, that seemed to be the only other thing Jeff wanted to discuss after the hurt feelings were aired.

I want so much to see Thursday's show but am afraid its gonna turn into another Rob/Amber fest...

Jhezzie
Member

07-05-2001

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tom took up way too much time, too. Hopefully, Jeff will keep control of the show this time, lol.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 2:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kep, I agree with you--it was a Rob/Amber hour as far as time distribution.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 2:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I truly think the proposal flustered Jeff. I get the impression that he thought that it was just for the game and one or both of them were manipulating the other.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Once the proposal happened, Jeff should have mentioned the Mike/Krista fiasco and asked them if they thought things would be any different.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow. I really liked the proposal and I was really happy for both Rob and Amber. It was a pretty ring, too. I think asking questions about an impending "fiasco" would have been inappropriate and would have made Jeff look quite small. When people get engaged, it is only appropriate to wish them the best of luck and/or to congratulate them.

Realbiz
Member

10-24-2002

Monday, May 10, 2004 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Romber are so much in love, the proposal seemed a lot real than all the "Bachelor" proposals (expect Ryan's to Trista). I'm happy for them, what a great team, they look very happy together. I love great endings!