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Kitt
Member
09-06-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 3:20 pm
I suspect (obviously don't know for sure) that Kathy's "cancer" comment was said before she found out about Jenna's mother. In one of the earlier shots she said she didn't know why Jenna was so upset, and she probably said that comment then, to try to buck Jenna up. I can't see any other explanation, it's not like the word would slip out of her mouth when she's just been told something as terrible as that. I'm sure Jenna had told the production crew, and Jeff knew she wanted to go home ahead of time. The boat was already there.
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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 5:41 pm
Kitt, I wondered about the boat being there too. Then I thought that maybe it is always there in case it is needed right away to take someone off the island in case of injury during a challenge. I was also bothered about Kathy's cancer comment. Did she know then that Jenna mother had cancer?
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:20 pm
Yes I must agree that there were some comments that could be construed as insensitive last night but comments that are made 'off the cuff' or 'in the heat of the moment' often are. I can see why Alicia's first reaction would be what it was. As Hippy pointed out there were many, many people who didn't get an opportunity for a second try. She had won a million, had been paid by Playboy to take her clothes off & she came back, knowing full well that her mother's failing health would be a big possibility. Someone mentioned to me today that they felt she'd 'had enough' and used her mother as an excuse to bow out. I'm not saying they are right...just their take on it. While I sympathize that her mother lost her battle with cancer, who here has not lost a dear one from it or something else? Personally, I lost my Mother at the same age Jenna is at right now, so I can see what she is going throught but I don't think she really thought through her decision to appear on the show or to leave abruptly. Many Survivor players we enumerated on the Raw Deal thread might think she still has some growing up to do as it seems it's still all about Jenna, Jenna, Jenna.
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Neko
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:16 pm
Jenna was close to her mother. They say people who are close feel something "wrong" when something's about to happen to each other when they're that close. Maybe Jenna felt something was going wrong, so she left. And it was good she did since I read that only 8 days after she got home, her mother lost her battle. It wouldn't matter to me what the heck I was doing, I would throw it all down if I felt or knew something what wrong with my mom. Besides, if someone close to both Jenna and her mom contacted Mark B. telling him that Jenna's mom was getting worse or something, i doubt he wouldn't tell her. I'm probably wrong on all of my information since I didn't get to watch this episode, but I felt I had to say my opinion, whether the facts where there or not.....
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Peachie
Member
08-09-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:20 pm
On the survivor insider I believe it was Jenna L that said Survivor was Jenna M's moms favorite show and that may be the reason she decided to go back believing it would really make her mom happy. I watched the whole scene on survivor insider again today and again I bawled like a baby. I really try not to judge these people because we do only see an edited version, nothing like Big Brother where we can watch it 24/7 but then I dont really judge them either cause I dont know how I would act being put into them situations. I just enjoy the heck out of watching these shows, it is something to look forward to. ;o)
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Gidget
Member
07-28-2002
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:35 pm
It is just nuts to be so emotionally wrapped up in a game on TV that we become so invested in the contestants. But we do. My reaction to Jenna last night was not at all charitable. Frankly she played the sick mom card all the way to a million dollars the first time around. And as someone in a previous post said it's all about Jenna all the time. But many of the other posts were equally thought provoking. Although someone missed a second chance at a million bucks because of Jenna, I am glad that she did somehow manage to leave at the right time and be there for her mom. Jenna is still young. Hopefully she will mature in time. But it was tasteless of MB to show the interrogation on the beach. They have hours of film and they choose what we see. I fail to see the point of asking opinions of the other Survivors like that. Some of them knew Jenna's circumstances. Some of them didn't. Either way the entire scene was in hideously poor taste in my opinion. Cheap shot at tears. This A.S.S. is very disappointing. Next week they will try to suck us all in on the premise that two good looking young people get it on on TV on a beach without a bath in the last two weeks. Oooohhh I just can't wait. Not!!!!
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 8:19 pm
I also agree that the 'passing judgment' session on the beach seemed inappropriate. I understand that Jenna's decision to go was a 'game move' but still... Probst seemed quite unhappy with the effect it had on Mogo Mogo (which I sense is his fave tribe, isn't he pally with Colby?) His interrogation seemed to be a way of venting to say 'you thought it was ok to come out here & you haven't gotten any new info... somewhere in here there's a bad decision that's going to hurt others.' Maybe he suspected that she was using her mom as an excuse like someone suggested. I think Mogo Mogo should get a free immunity or some type of exemption when they next lose. Or the producers should bring a replacement on board. It wasn't a team decision or failure at all - it had nothing to do with them, and there was nothing they probably could have done to get her to stay. I think in situations where someone walks, there should be some type of vote as to whether a team should shoulder the loss (in this case it seems very unfair, I could see others quite being different). But alas that's not how the rules work 
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Upstate
Member
01-16-2004
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 8:52 pm
i dont think they can give out a freebie to the team because of jenna leaving. when the guy fell in the fire and had to leave they didn't get an exemption of any kind and the was medical related.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:05 pm
I'm not saying they can, I was just suggesting that maybe they should. I'm sure some will disagree... just my mho 
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 12:55 am
just where did nudist richard hide his cell phone and matches? oh. never mind.......
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 2:47 pm
Jenna signed up because she thought as a previous winner that she would be voted out the first week. Then she find herself on the strongest team & realizes that she will be stuck there for a long time. Knowing that previous winners really have no chance of going all the way, she quits.
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Vsmart
Member
02-10-2003
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 2:49 pm
Better question is if MB will let this team die so the other two will continue, reshuffle the teams, or merge soon?
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Spunky
Member
10-08-2001
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 7:20 pm
her mother died ten days after she left, so I think she was wise in quitting when she did. That shark was so tiny and they made it look like it was deadly... it was well staged anyway.. but that white blot bugs me still...
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Puzzled
Member
08-27-2001
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 9:50 pm
Jenna made a very bad decision in deciding to go on Survivor again, but she realised it, and did what she needed to do. Haven't we all made very bad decisions we regretted? OTOH, Probst and the producers knew about her mother, and shouldn't have been all that surprised. I agree with the others that the interrogation on the beach was extremely out of order.
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Sunrvrose
Member
08-13-2001
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 10:34 pm
The interrogation was particularly in poor taste because it is likely that most of the other players didn't know the gravity of Jenna's Mom's situation. Sure lots of people's family members have/have had cancer, but from what I gathered, Jenna's Mom was in Hospice at that time, unable to speak and obviously failing. I doubt that each member of each team was aware of that. The fact that Jenna had no business being there in the first place, IMHO, has nothing to do with her Mom's illness. It has to do with the fact that Jenna contributed absolutely nothing on her first appearance. All I can remember of her on her original show was her being curled up in a ball and begging to go home from the get-go. That is till the teams merged, and a bunch of men showed up, then she sure perked up. I cannot imagine how that show came down the way it did, to her winning. I'd say pretty much the same about Vecepia's win, but at least Vecepia sat on her A** on the beach rather than in the shelter, and Vee wasn't begging to be sent home every week. Somehow Survivor has to change things so that the weakest and most useless people don't keep winning. The way is has been the past two seasons, it is like Big Brother on the Beach.
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Kaili
Member
08-31-2000
| Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 7:29 am
I wouldn't say "weakest and most useless". Keep in mind the editing. They're masters at making us love/hate who they want. They do a great job of creating crtain personalities for each person...and it works.
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Cr8ofdata
Member
01-13-2004
| Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 8:40 am
Sun - That was not Jenna that was curled up in a ball begging to go home until the men arrived. That was the red head - can't remember her name. She was the big cry baby.
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Peachie
Member
08-09-2001
| Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 10:55 am
It was shawna that livened up when the men came over
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 12:06 pm
Actually, Shawna was in the worse shape (crying that she wanted to quit or be voted out), but Heidi and Jenna were both acting whiny and pitiful, too. Denna was amazed that all three of them had a miraculous change of attitude after the men came over. I remember her quote was something like, 'It's amazing what a little testosterone can do' I thought that was hilarious.
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Peachie
Member
08-09-2001
| Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 5:28 pm
Actually Heidi had went to the other tribe and wasnt at that particular camp when the men came over.
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Webkitty
Member
07-24-2001
| Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 6:24 pm
Peachie is right, Heidi had been traded over to the other tribe by then. Jenna didn't whine at all. Instead, she and Deena got together and decided to bring Alex and Rob C. into their alliance, since it was obvious that SHAWNA had to go due to her lack of intestinal fortitude. When the tribes merged, Jenna brought Heidi back into the alliance. So then, it was, Jenna, Heidi, Denna, Alex and Rob. They brought in Matt and Christy to boot Roger. Butch and Dave were blindsided, and Dave was next out after Roger. Want me to go on? lol Hope this helps.
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Csnog
Member
07-18-2002
| Sunday, February 15, 2004 - 7:05 pm
Jeffie said at one time that Jenna was going to be edited as the sweetheart and when she was final two they went back and did some different editing to hide her position. This just shows how the show is manipulated when it comes to editing. There is a lot that we do not get to see.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, February 16, 2004 - 8:30 pm
Interesting episode and many good comments made here! ** The first thing I did was consider HOW LONG they had been there playing the game....Two people had been voted out.....so it was NINE days into the game. I think it was Kathy who said that Jenna had confided that her mom was sick with cancer and had been put into a Cancer Treatment Centre just before Jenna left for Survivor. (I wish I had it on tape so I could rewatch this episode!!). What this comment meant to me is that Jenna KNEW her mom had a bad relapse and was in dire straits yet CHOSE to go to ALLSTARS anyways. I am with Alicia.......she shouldnt have even come onto the show. Rupert was harsh and rude with his comment of being 'a quitter'. Rupert surely had watched previous seasons of Survivor. As Gidget said earlier in a post, Jenna used the 'sick mom' stance to benefit herself in the previous game. ** It is unfortunate that Jenna took someone else's chance to be in the Game away.
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Monday, February 16, 2004 - 9:57 pm
It is even more unfortunate that her mother died.
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Upstate
Member
01-16-2004
| Monday, February 16, 2004 - 10:17 pm
well said maris.
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