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Alisons
Member
01-10-2003
| Monday, May 10, 2004 - 7:39 pm
I never liked Lex even in the Africa days, and he has done nothing to improve my impression of him. What about his famous backstab to Lindsay because his "gut" told him that she voted against him? Goodbye Lex, your 15 minutes are over. Good job Rob, you shoulda won.
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Pascalle
Member
09-25-2003
| Monday, May 10, 2004 - 8:51 pm
Ty Sasha- good post Alisons.
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Tobor7
Member
07-19-2002
| Monday, May 10, 2004 - 10:02 pm
Other than Rudy, if I ever had any business dealings with any one of them I would certainly make sure I had a better lawyer than they did. Yeah, you trust everyone, but you always cut the cards. With most of those people, you better count the cards as well. That is my observation of their behavior as presented on the show. For the record, I like Rob and wanted him to win. If I wanted to waste a little more time on this I would go to the CBS site and vote for HIM to get the additional million.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Monday, May 10, 2004 - 11:01 pm
Also, AMBER begged on bended knee for Kathy and the girls to save her. Lex seems to think that he 'controlled' the vote to save Amber. In my opinion, he is fooling himself. ** It was just plain 'sour grapes' at TC and my family was pleased to see Shi Ann 'tell it like it is' once again. Straight shooter that she is. ** We loved LEX being booed by the live audience...and felt sorry for Jerri. It is kinda not her fault that her general personality has been edited to seem so bad on TV. I'm sure she isnt THAT bad in real life. ***** All I hope is that Lex gets over his perceived perception that he was 'promised' or guaranteed NOT to be voted out. If I can, If I can was a really obvious backdoor out for Rob.
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Pascalle
Member
09-25-2003
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 2:13 am
It is a shame because all through Survivor Africa I rooted for Lex even after his little fit. I was so happy seeing him again in this show but his behavior at the Finale show was just too much. I never liked Alicia so her behavior towards Shiann's immunity was no surprise. Off topic, I know Sue had work done but I swear she looks the same to me. I'm a fan of Sue's, I guess one of the few.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 5:01 am
I agree Divinesara and welcome to posting. 
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Meridian
Member
09-23-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 5:39 am
Is this another case of "the pot calling the kettle black?"
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 7:39 am
In Africa, Lex talked about his "uber gut". I've always wondered what that meant. I'm thinking it's Dutch (?)and would translate to "intuition." Anybody know?
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:11 am
uber is german...it means 'over'
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:14 am
so what would over gut mean? remember, he always said he trusted his uber gut.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:15 am
With very few exceptions (Ethan) this entire season was miserable because everyone was lying and backstabbing. I'm not sure there was any solid alliance in the entire game beyond Rob and Amber-and even they admitted they didn't totally trust each other. If these folks are being truthful, they would realize that Rob didn't do anything they didn't do. He might have done more of it, and certainly was more open and honest about it instead of doing it in whispers like them, but the fact is they all betrayed each other. Do I think this is right? In real life of course not. But this is a GAME and sadly this is how this one was played. The only person who I think has a real gripe is Kathy because she viewed Rob as a true friend and I believe really felt the friedship was betrayed. And just like I predicted, she stayed true to her friendship and voted for him. I hope privately he apologizes to her and they talk it out. I think friends either needed to go in w/an alliance or an agreement to put friendships aside and play the game. Personally I found Amber far worse than Rob. Did you see when folks where pouring their hearts out she kept rolling her eyes in a derogatory way? Rob sat there, listened and took it like a man. Amber was rude and dismissive IMHO. She let someone else do all her dirty work and skipped off with him and the mil. Why is no one all over her for her actions? Also, I thought Richard hit the nail on the head. Lex did everything Rob did, except take him out first. And he even admitted that there were strategic reasons, beyond helping Rob, that they kept Amber. It's just sour grapes that it backfired on him. I too have never cared for him. I find him meanspirited and scary. Again MHO. Sara, love your posts glad you delurked I think you made a great point...I wonder how Rob would have done if he had better communication skills and packed his actions better to the jury. All he needed was one vote more. Too bad he didn't do a better job at it.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:20 am
Well, I think it means 'super' or 'above' as in very sensitive.
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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 8:54 am
Sara, I too feel that Rob did a bad job on final tribal council but I think it was because Lex did such a number on him, followed by Kathy, then next up was Alicia. I was waiting for them to bring out a whip next and scourge him! I can't think of many young people (in their 20's) who could handle that intense blame very well. I thought it was plain ridiculous but by the time Tom finished his rehearsed tirade, I was just plain pissed. When he laid into Rob and insulted him in that vulgar way, comparing his relationship with Amber to the way the goats on his farm chased the nannys and how he, Tom, castrated them when they chased the females (i.e. Rob should be castrated for drooling over Amber). Then came the trick handshake and "Are you stupid, stupid?" When he later asked "Tell me why I should give YOU the million" I would have told him to just do what he wanted and then hurry back to his goats and nannies (What a <LC> he is.) Rob took TOO much dodo from those four <LC>. They went over the line, IMO. Even Jenna told them when she voted, "You two need to step up and embrace your win. You earned it so enjoy it!" I'm glad they're doing it now.
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Kaili
Member
08-31-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 9:41 am
I also thought Amber was rude during all her eye-rolling- and her eye-rolling continued from the final TC way up months later to the reunion show where she continued to roll her eyes. I had liked her- not at first but she later grew on me a little. After watching her on Sunday she went waaaay down in my book.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 9:46 am
One thing hit me in reading your post Cassie (besides some very good points lol). When you mentioned Tom's rehearsed tirade you made me realize how the jury all had plenty of prep time, rest, good food and and each other to talk it over with. Rob and Amber were still out there in the pouring rain, really couldn't discuss tribal council strategy with each other, and certainly weren't at their sharpest. Rob took the brunt of the hits and hard questions while Amber, as usual IMHO, rode his coat tails. I thought Rob did MUCH better on making his case at the reunion show...and now it makes sense. He had plenty of time to think about it, be well rested and fed, and it showed. Of course that is just another part of the game, so I'm just reflecting on it.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 11:04 am
I'm not sure which thread to post this in, but found this in Rupert's chat transcript and found it very interesting, esp considering it seems like the Rupert folks and the Rob folks are bashing heads the most here. So go figure; Breezy: Rupert, is there any one person from the game that you would most like to keep in touch with? Rupert: Rudy and I will always keep in touch. I have a good friend in Rudy. The other unlikely character in the group that I do enjoy company with is Boston Rob. I feel like he and I will be friends for many years to come. Ironic huh?! . Anyone know where the other chats are? I haven't really hunted, but really need to get off the computer LOL.
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Sbw
Member
08-09-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 11:14 am
Lurk, Jenna's is in the same place.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 11:29 am
LOL thanks but no real interest in hers...I'm looking for Rob's 
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Sbw
Member
08-09-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 11:32 am
I would check there later today or tomorrow... Amber/Rob chats were today so they are just now getting underway! (That is the only place I have seen them posted.) (Apparently Jenna is taking credit for starting the Rob/Tom fight.)
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 11:39 am
They are? I thought I saw them advertised for yesterday. Oh dear, here I was seriously thinking of unplugging the puter so I could get some much needed stuff done.
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Sbw
Member
08-09-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 11:46 am
Sorry Lurk! I think they are at 2 and 3 but I am sure they are today. If so 1 is about over and another to start. Maybe you could get there in time! 
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 12:49 pm
LOL I'm there...now I'm dying to copy something he said that goes along with a point I've been trying to make about his play for days. (But you can't cut and paste their chat so I'll have to wait for the transcript to go up). I just can't believe how little I got done today. Gonna have to kick it in high gear for a few hours SOON! Usually I'm only this bad during BB season lol
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Tobor7
Member
07-19-2002
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 7:15 pm
<Yawn> I'll take a sip of my iced tea and try to get this thread back on track. Many people have posted in this thread with observed evidence from the show to bolster my theory. I've yet to read an opposite opinion with some observed evidence from the show. I was watching Idol and was amazed at the icy stare and fake smile the princess singers have when they are being hammered in a negative way by the judges. A regular human being would drop that smile and let their disappointment show. It was evident to me that I know NOTHING about them. The show hasn't revealed a thing about their true personality. They just keep their fake smiles on their faces as they keep dreaming about the wads and wads of money they will be making. It is not even a true competition. It is a popularity contest. A true competition has people doing the same thing on the same field. They should have to sing the same songs. (But I digress.) Not so in Survivor. And this season has been even more tell-tale. Most of the people on the show already had established relationships and this made the "Not a Game" even more evident. Their friendships melted like ice cubes in a pot of boiling water, and there were a lot of hard feelings as a result. I don't think people are making up those feelings. I'm not really into judging what Lex's behavior says about him as a person... just THAT is says something. And that something is valid and can be observed. The "it is just a game" excuse has worn thin in this context. The "it is just a game" excuse is just that. An excuse. Does the Olympic athlete use that excuse when they lose? Do they use that excuse when they use drugs to improve their performance. (If they have, I haven't heard it.) I think Lance observed that Amber and Rob were able to strike a romance that was real and beyond the context of the show. They HAD to be their REAL SELVES to be able to do that. And we were able to see that. Even if Rob got up at the reunion show and said it was all an act in order for him to win, that still wouldn't make it any more of a game or even insulate him from an even more telling aspect of his personality. Another comment was "Do I think this is right? In real life of course not. But this is a GAME and sadly this is how this one was played." How is this not real life? Did fake people play? Were they playing for wads and wads of fake money on a fake island? No. Just because they call it a game doesn't make it so. For the people on that island it WAS real life. And they have told us as much. That is my evidence. Now the ice in my tea has melted leaving a water puddle around the base of the glass. I shall get some more.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Tuesday, May 11, 2004 - 10:51 pm
As much as Jeff tried to direct folks to see it's "just a game" he also states that it's a game of human interaction--of relationships. I'd like to go one step further and call it relationship management. So many have said it's about adapting to change as well--being able to change based on what someone does or says. So many folks have compared Survivor to chess--I submit that it's a bad analogy/comparison. Chess is moving a piece of non-living material from one place to another. In front of your opponent. You don't call him/her any names, you don't make disparaging comments about their family and you don't tell them their strategy sucks. In Survivor you manipulate living people (the dead ones can't play well) by any means except for physical contact (unwanted contact). You use emotions, you use sex, you use whatever you can. Also as pointed out by so many, including the players themselves, being friends/knowing each other before hand made it tougher. If it was only a game, this wouldn't matter. I think some can do better at not taking it personally for long--notice even those that say it's just a game get upset. Rob throw his would when he ran out of matches--he said he lost because of sour grapes (seems he didn't take responsibility for having a part in them taking place to begin with). There can be many paths to the same destination. Richard and a couple others didn't take it very personal--most others have to some degree. Just like BB, Survivor is a game that is not good for some folks. I've played chess since I was 6. I've watched Survivor since the beginning season. They have common efforts--moving along during the game, trying out out-guess your opponent. For the most part though, they are indeed different "games". It's easier to screw over a stranger than a friend--or should I say it's less personal to screw over a friend than a stranger (for most folks anyway). It's one thing to feel used--it's another to feel dirty and used. I think Survivor should be played and taken more like Richard has done--although it takes someone practiced in that trait--it's learned. Yet, as much as Jeff promotes it should be played like a game only, they get people who will include the "drama" in it--for as Jerri correctly stated, it is a TV show for the purpose of entertaining others. "Drama" is part of what many want for that entertainment value. Just look at how many on the board have said it would be boring without Johnny, without Rob, without Richard, without the folks who provoke much of the drama. Without them, Survivor would be a football game of the teams running up the middle every play. A great game to some--a boring time for many. Just a "game"? Never--MB wouldn't allow it. Games are a dime a dozen. Survivor mirrors lfe--many rods to take to get to a point we want to get to. Things and people to over come. Rewards to be had, and in the end, the winner is decided by the behaviors the rest of the players accept or don't accept. The funny thing is, more often than not, it's the behaviors we wouldn't want done to us that usually get rewarded. Ironic--just like life. Tobor, I hope your new glass of iced tea was refreshing.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 7:19 am
Ok..this can be summed up in one concise thought...Survivor is real people PLAYING A GAME. Jeff is clear on this concept, and since he hosts the show I would think he knows what the scoop is. Simple. In college I lived on a football floor for 3 years. I always found it ironic that some of the hardest hitting, meanest seeming players were the sweetest, kindest guys in real life. But THEY WERE JUST PLAYING A GAME on the field...it was NOT who they were in real life. JMO
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