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Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the difference this year with Rupert is that he is with a group of over achievers and he cannot take the lead position in his group. He had just come from a survivor game where he was the star of his group and there was nobody to compete with. He is with some very strong people this time around and they will not sit back and let him take charge.

I think he is floundering right now and he saw this as his opportunity to shine. As far as others not disagreeing with him, he should know enough about the game that the smart player is not going to make enemies and will wait for the opportunity to strike.

Ethan wasn't going to argue with Rupert and neither was Jenna but they all know that Jerri was right. Rupert is not a good strategist. I think we also may not be seeing everything and I am betting that Jerri took the opportunity to get into it with Rupert because his other teammates may be getting tired of his ego.

Pagal
Member

08-16-2001

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wasn't there a rumor out that Richard was able to sneak a cellphone onto the island with him? Maybe this is the way Jenna found out that her mom had taken a turn for the worse? Anyone else remember this?

It was very sad to see Jenna leave under such circumstances - my heart goes out to her and her family.



Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
EASTCoasters...is she on the early show today?

Ducky
Member

08-27-2000

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes Pamy! Just heard that Jenna will be on the early show.

Scootersmom
Member

08-10-2002

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hiya Pamy & Ducky :-) I just heard the same thing too!

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Ducky, can you post what time she will be on, so I will know when to tune in on westcoast, I am going to work now, but have access to tv radio at wk, just don't like to keep it on all morning...Thanks!

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The only rumor I've heard about Richard is that he snuck matches out there with him. The rumor goes he started a fire with them, but it was put out (by the producers? Or by fellow tribe members accusing him a cheating?). Hopefully once some folks from his tribe leave the game, we'll find out the truth. I think rumors about Rich are great internet fodder, but I'm not sure how much stock to put in them.

Ducky
Member

08-27-2000

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pamy it came on at 8:00 central here.
Morning Scooter!

Webkitty
Member

07-24-2001

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hermione, that was a thoughtful post.
Thank you.
I just saw Jenna on the Early Show and wish I could transcript it. Very good interview. She explained everything in more detail than I thought she would.
My late mil battled long and hard from ALS so I understand the cycle of rallying and sinking again and again.

On another note, a reminder to anyone who just watches the show that it is HEAVILY edited at Mark Burnetts whim. He is first a storyteller and can make any contestant seem anyway. What you see every Thursday night is only what he wants you to see.
Reading or watching the Insider, (which is now free at CBS I think, used to be the Yahoo Platinum Insider) is a good way to gain a better understanding of why the contestants do or say certain things. It won't give away what will happen in the future (if this is a concern) but will shed some understanding of what HAS happened. Hope this helps


Immunity_man
Member

09-26-2003

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I really felt good for Jenna, and I'm glad she got to her mother's bedside in time. I don't judge her for going out there. Good parents never want to hold their children back from exceeding and achieving so I'm sure that's why she went in the first place. Kudos to her for being intuitive enough and allowing God to speak to her heart to let her know she needed to be with her mom in her last days.

I am really upset with Alicia for the way she attacked Jenna. Maybe she didn't mean to attack her, but she certainly was harsh in her tone stating how she would have never come in the first place. Come on, Alicia. This is not a time for you to show how you could out do someone in caring for an ill parent. Everything IS NOT a competition. I liked her alot, but now I'm starting to feel indifferent towards her.

Rupert made a huge mistake last night! That was the first time I've ever seen him make a really dumb mistake. Even Jeri knew it. That was just pitiful. Rupe might be slippin'. Too much jungle back to back is affecting him I think.

Well, it's obvious what kind of man Amber goes for. She obviously likes bad boys. They don't get any worse than the Robfather. Actually, they might compliment each other. Jeff Probst said that there are 2 people on the island who actually fall in love (or should I say like) on Ryan Seacrest's "On Air" show.

Peace Out

Cancunkid
Member

10-01-2003

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hate to say but I seem to be a much bigger fan of the guys than the girls. I have loved Lex since Africa and was glad he came back and even my 78 year old Mom was like that Colby sure is cute. Richard cracks me up he is so snarky yet it works for him and hey what's a little shark biting! Boston Rob didn't win me over but hey I would have rather he won than Jenna because I felt he played better. Besides I am with Amber he did look pretty good being in his element last night.

Pantageas
Member

02-05-2003

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
1) I don't think Alicia was attacking Jenna. Alicia is a passionate person who was passionately explaining why she herself would not have left in the first place.

2) I think Tom's comment was taken wrong by many. All he really said was that with HIS personality, HE wouldn't want to go early; but Jenna needed to make her own decision. What's wrong with that?

3)The Robbfather is really being impressive this go-around. He's not lazy; in fact he's industrious. He's not abrasive; in fact, he's tactful. Strategy-wise, he's pretty much the same, but he's playing his cards closer to his chest.

4) Rupert. Starting down the same path again. I like him because he seems a nice enough guy. But he is a terrible Survival player. If this is the best he can do, I hope he goes soon.

5) I think it's wrong to question Jenna's motives for joining A.S.S. or her reasons for leaving. We don't know what was going on in her mind and with her mom when she entered the game. Likewise for the time she chose to leave. It's not the same thing as quitter Osten at all. Osten volunteered for Survivor and left the game because of what the game involved. That is nonsense. Jenna left the game because she had an uneasy feeling that her mom might pass away while she was in another part of the world.

Who. Can. Fault. That?


Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think what was wrong with all of the comments about Jenna M are along the lines of "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" and "don't rub salt in someone's wounds". Here was a time to keep one's mouth shut and let Jenna make Jenna's decisions for herself.

She was hurting, her decision was made, why put her through something like that so Survivor can get better ratings? Definate Ick factor to me.

Puttergirl
Member

08-11-2000

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Agree. In the end this is just a game- not real life. A million dollars is just money- it can't make up for living the rest of your life feeling like you made a big mistake.

March
Member

10-02-2003

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Alicia's or Tom's or Rupert's comments were mean or attacking. If they were only fed the same information we were shown last night, than it really was a typical reaction.
You have to remember most people from these boards that watched the show knew ahead of time about Jenna's mom, the Survivor members didn't. All they are seeing is someone that wants to quit because she suddenly feels guilty for leaving when her mom was so sick, or at least that is the way it could have looked to them. They were not on her tribe and didn't know the whole story.
If JP had come out and said that they had received a phone call and had news that Jenna's mom was worse and Jenna decided to leave than I think the reaction would have been different.
Even with what was said you could tell it affected them all in one way or another and they did feel for Jenna. I am sure they all went back to their camps and sent time thinking about their loved ones at home.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:41 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Saw most of Jenna on the Early Show. She said most of them reacted very well to her leaving and her tribe was very supportive. Julie brought up Alicia and Jenna just said it was hard for anyone to really understand what she was going through.

She said she got there and her mom wasn't communicating but when Jenna told her she was there, she sighed.. so they believe mom was holding on for Jenna.

Jenna also said she'd do another Survivor in a heartbeat.

Said if she stayed she'd probably ally with Kathy, Shii Ann and Lex. That it was moving in that direction. Said she and Shii Ann had alot in common and that Kathy was like a mom and very supportive.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:52 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
March I would disagree with you only because Richard in an off camera moment discussed how she was letting the team down and how she should stay for the immunity. When they were asked by Jeff about Jennas departure Richard kept his feelings to himself. I think Alicia and Rupert should have kept their feelings to themselves. By far the worst comment to me was Kathy's comment to Jenna that she was a "cancer to the group". That was just insensitive.

There was nothing to be gained by making Jenna feel badly.

Seamonkey
Member

09-07-2000

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jenna has a new hairstyle (well, she has bangs) and she's at peace with all of her decisions.

She said that the horrible storm pushed her over the edge that is wasn't worth it and she needed to get back to her mom NOW.

Oh she was asked about Richard Hatch being naked and she smiled and said in wasn't her place to criticize that, considering her past actions.. and said Colby said it best that it was scary that they were all getting used to it.

She was asked by a caller about her talk about being the pretty girls.. she said she's matured since then but won't rewrite what is already past.

Basically, she handled her interview with serenity and class.

I think I missed the beginning of it.

Hermione69
Member

07-24-2002

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 12:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That sounds like it was a really nice interview. I never see the day after interviews, so I appreciate hearing about them. I wish her the best. God bless her and her dad.

March
Member

10-02-2003

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, Oop's I totally missed Richard's comments.
But too he and others from that tribe did have a chance to comment about Jenna in confessional the others were caught off guard by all this and you know people will speak before thinking.
Happens all the time here at work.
They all did look sad for Jenna even though their first reaction was probably "than what are you doing here?"


Pantageas
Member

02-05-2003

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 12:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris: "By far the worst comment to me was Kathy's comment to Jenna that she was a 'cancer to the group'. That was just insensitive."

I heard that too, and my jaw just dropped! I turned to my wife and said "Do you think she even realizes she says that Jenna's mentality is a 'cancer'?!?"


Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The cancer comment was just awful. Talk about inappropriate. I know I've accidentally said things like that before...not just like that but a figure of speech that may not be in the right moment. Anyway, that was bad. But they chose to air it, and I'm sure they did for a reason.

I'm so skeptical about these shows. I mean, they are TV shows, right? Do we really notthink Jeff knew she was planning on leaving ahead of time, before they got to the IC? Did he not purposely ask how things were going "emotionally", asking Jenna's tribe last?

No- the others didn't know what was going on, and her own tribe didn't at first. Some of the comments...Richards for example, were said before she told them about her mom. She was just alone a lot, vacant, not eating, and miserable. they thought she was wanting to quit because she couldn't take it. That's what I believe Richard thought when he said that. They showed him saying that before they showed Jenna telling them he full story of what was going on with her.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm sure Jeff knew there was a problem before he asked what was going on. I believe he gets to see previews of what the camera men shoot on a daily basis. That's how Jeff knows to ask those really pointed questions at TC.

Personally, I think Jeff knew she was thinking of going home, but I don't think he knew she would leave right then and there. He seemed prepared to have her voted out automatically at Tribal Council, but also a tad surprised that she couldn't wait that long.

Hippyt
Member

09-10-2001

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I missed the Kathy comment. I bet she cringed when she saw it on the tv last night,I don't think she would ever intentionally say something like that.
Last night when I watched the show,I thought Aicia,Tom and Rupert were cold and well,just downright rude.
But,I thought about this,this is the All-Stars there were like 120 people available for 18 spots.They were hand picked for this show,and a lot of former Survivors wanted to be on the show,and didn't make the cut. If I was one who did make it and then suddenly I'm told someone wants to go home because they have a sick family member,I think I might react the way Alicia did.
She didn't now how serious it was.She's thinking well,this is a big deal,you accepted,now you're bailing?
And,I don't believe for a minute that if a member of Tom's family died he would stay on for the rest of the game.
In the end,Jenna did the right thing. I'm just glad she made it home in time.

Mocha
Member

08-12-2001

Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The whole thing was staged to make for good tv and to fill up time. Jeff knew there wasn't going to be an IC or tribal council ahead of time. He just threw out questions to get reactions to make the show worth watching imo.