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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 10:59 pm
I think it was because Tom and Lex were in Africa together, and Tom is the only one left out of the Africa group--and in Africa they were in an alliance. I would have liked to have seen Kathy give him immunity and him take it--only for the reason that who to vote for after Lex would have been uncoordinated, and it's possible a number of people would have been voted for instead of all of the votes going to Lex. Rob wouldn't have had a way to signal for anyone else--so who would have Alicia and Tom voted for, and how would they have decided?
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:01 pm
Didn't Tom overhear the whispered deal between Rob & Lex when Rob asked Lex to take care of his girl, etc.? If Tom overheard them whispering and then saw Rob break his word to Lex, will Tom put it together enough to rouse the troops and eliminate Rob?
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:02 pm
Possibly (and interesting which is always a GOOD thing) but I bet they would have come up with a plan b. In other words, I doubt they would have been shocked if Cathy had decided to give up the immunity to Lex and would have just voted her out instead. But back to what Lex said, I see what you're saying, I just know it wasn't Big Tom there crying to Rob going "but he loves you! He'd give you his spleen!" and pleading Lex's case like Cathy did. Oh but wouldn't it have been funny if it was!!! ha ha!
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Starshine40
Member
07-30-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:06 pm
I agree with what many of you have expressed on here in particular curlyq, Cr8ofdata, Dee and Karuuna, who said, "Ya know, I think Lex had an awful lot of nerve ranting at Rob about friendship, when Lex gave his friend Ethan the old heave ho, and said the game had nothing to do with friendship.... can you say karma?" I also agree with Cliotheleo who said, " And I don't know what was worse (read: "more fun to watch") Lex's irony or Cathy's "he would have given his life for you Rob, he's like a brother to you, he was going to name his next son after you, blah, blah, blah...." Lex participated in the ouster of Richard, was the brains behind the ouster of Colby and then Ethan (why oh why did those girls just go along with Lex???? it just made their tribe keep losing the challenges, IMO). I think Lex deserved what he got and Kathy shouldn't expect anything less for him.
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:06 pm
But even if he did hear it I get the vibe (from what I don't know) that Tom didn't put much stock in it. Who is dumb enough to trust Rob? I don't even know the boy and I knew not to believe him. Or maybe he will ............. guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:12 pm
The problem is, that with Tom, it might be the classic train of thought - 'He's lying to THEM, but not to ME' I hope Tom is savvy enough to play Rob instead of having Rob play him, but I'm not counting on it.
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:16 pm
One of the funniest moments tonight was when Rob and "Ambuh" were reunited and he was telling her how happy he was to see her and how good she looked and she just had this look on her face like "you are full of it!" She, even Amber doesn't trust him (at least I hope not.) On an interesting side note, Shi-Ann voted against Lex thereby breaking the alliance (I assume) she still had with Lex and Cathy. Not a HUGE surprise considering the grand scheme of things, but I'll be interested to see her reasoning.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:23 pm
I think Tom is smarter than what people think. That good ol' country boy act goes a long way in keeping under the radar. I'm thinking Tom & Rupert have had some long conversations when they go fishing together and that the two of them are keeping quiet about their alliance. Also, I think Rupert has an alliance with Jenna from when they were on Saboga together and another very hush-hush alliance with Shi-Ann from when they paired up together for the picnic. I think Kathy will be on Rupert's side, too, remember how he welcomed her when she visited their tribe? She sure will not be on Rob's side now.
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:28 pm
Y'all have seriously got to check out the Insider. Lex is KILLING me!!! ......... new mohawk, interesting .......... but if I may paraphrase what he's saying .......... he knew his friendships might play a part in this game because he is friends with so many of the others. (Apparently he is SO popular amongst the Survivor alumn he actually thought he might be voted out the first week!) When it came to voting out Ethan and Cobly, nope, not a problem at all. Just business, didn't take it personally. However Rob has "fallen from grace." ...... Shocking (ha ha) And now I see why he's not rooting for Cathy. Apparently (according to Lex) the decision to keep Amber and get rid of Jerri was her fault. He WANTED to do the opposite but she talked him into keeping Amber. And then he made comparisons between Survivor and punk rock and he totally lost me. But the mohawk does look nice.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:29 pm
I think the women went along with Lex in voting off the strong men because they could see the obvious merge coming up eventually and it was in their best interest to get rid of the men if possible. As soon as they could, Kathy and Shi Ann turned on him. Kathy pretended to cry and plead for Lex, knowing he would be on the jury and wanted to stay in his good graces. Kathy is a shrewd player and I think all that misery over Lex was just an act.
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:37 pm
Ha ha!!! And if they showed this on the show I missed it .......... after writing Lex's name on the ballot Rob said "thanks for keeping Amber around" ...... LOL! Gotta love the kid.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:37 pm
Great emotional show tonight. I really like Cathy, I have to say. Rob was brilliant as always.
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:39 pm
I hope that's what she was doing Cat, otherwise that little show she put on was just ........... WEIRD!
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:40 pm
I've lost the link to Insider--can anyone help and post it? Thanks
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:43 pm
It was weird, wasn't it, Clio? She looked like she had been through some serious emotional battering. Is she that good an actor?
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:49 pm
Try this ....... http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor8/insider/episode10/chapter_nav.php
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:52 pm
And can someone who's watching the Insider PLEASE explain to me what in the heck Tom is talking about? So far all I can get is that Tom DOES think that he and Rob have a strong alliance. Sheeesh, I would have hoped he was smarter than that.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:47 am
Clio, Didn't Tom seem almost happy at the prospect of Amber being off? I'm afraid after seeing that video that Tom really is being bamboozled by Rob. He really thinks it's him and Rob to the end.
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Demeter
Member
08-05-2001
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:55 am
I had the impression that Lex went to Tribal Council believing that Kathy would give him the immunity. He looked dazed and started looking anxious and started with the angry glaring when Kathy said she decided to keep it. She did not write his name down, but I think she knew what she was doing.
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Sunshyne4u
Member
06-17-2003
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:03 am
What was with the merge this week! I guess the producers realized that the 'one person' switch last week was boring LOL. I loved watching Lex get a dose of his OWN medicine....He seemed so pompous when Ethan and Jerri were told BYE BYE I've decided you should go! Jerri and Lex had a deal, Lex can TRY to blame Kathy for changing his mind but that is a copout. ** My fear now is that Rob has put a huge target on his own back. Why and HOW did Rob end up going to Kathy and Lex 'on his own' when it was a tribe decision to get rid of Lex. Rob did NOT guarantee anything to Lex. On another point I feel that Kathy is doing a great acting job this season. Lex was going to be JURY...she knew that! The offer to give him the immunity necklace was revolked at the TC. I LOVED that....the look on Lex's face! BUT, if push comes to shove and Kathy makes it to Final Two, BET Lex will vote for Kathy above anyone else! By seeming so 'bonded' to Lex, even when Kathy KNEW he was going, she has guaranteed herself a vote. In my opinion!
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 1:32 am
Some random thoughts from my fried mind.. I'd love it at the end if Rob was F2 and Alicia smiled and said.. "I said I'd NEVER write down your name, so I'm voting for <other F2> smile.. And Tom.. didn't he seem to be playing dirty tonight? He kicked Kathy in the head, then he wrenched a pot away from Amber and later he tried to grab something out of yet another person's hands.. didn't seem like anyone else was playing that way. Oh and after seeing the show I agree that it looked like Ambuh let Kathy win immunity.. perhaps she didn't want to draw attention to the pair of them or she didn't want to have immunity and perhaps be expected to give it to someone.. Kathy.. I thought she was playing to Lex on the jury, but Lex did have an odd look when she said she was keeping immunity, so I'd say she blew her chance there. I'm glad Rupert finally got to enjoy a reward.. I know he is childlike at times, but he was just relishing how his daughter would see Dad on tv being so strong..
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 6:44 am
Tom had me LOL when he was talking about Rob/amber and a calf when it is weened! I wish Kat would have given it to Lex, her days are numbered anyway
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Cliotheleo
Member
03-13-2002
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 7:05 am
I know Azriel, I had to watch the clip again because, initially, I was getting the impression that Tom was saying he and Rob were just using Amber (he was saying something like "Amber, me and Rob but it's really just me and Rob" meaning they were the only two she was loyal to.) But I think you're right. Sure are a lot of folks thinking Rob's taking them over everyone else. Demeter, I think Lex's reaction may have been convieniently edited to make us think that way. In reality, he could have been making that face about ANYTHING. When she initially mentioned the idea to him at camp, we never saw him agree to accept it, only saw him saying "no, no, you can't do that...." (paraphrasing) and trying to discourage her from doing it. That's why I think they agreed not to do it beforehand. Sunshyne, you think maybe Lex and Cathy pulled Rob asided and confronted him? You know how they were saying just before "he hasn't made any effort to make us feel comfortable, he's just messing with us." I don't think Tom was playing dirty. I don't think he MEANT to kick Cathy in the head and as far as taking the pot away from Amber, that was kind of the object of the game. 
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Zules
Member
08-21-2000
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 8:40 am
I just heard Lex on a local radio program this morning. I didn't hear the whole thing but the two things I did hear were that Kathy was the one who decided to boot Jerri instead of Amber and that the look on his face at TC after Kathy didn't give up immunity was due to editing. He was reacting to something about Rob. He and Kathy had discussed it beforehand and they decided she would keep it. I know so many of you here love Rob but I just can't stand the guy. Those snarky looks of his and that cheshire cat grin make me want to bash my t.v. in. I hope anyone but him wins. Call me naive but I just hate it when the bad guy wins. And I could just spew to think how utterly stupid it was of Kathy and Lex to believe a single word he said. That's all......I'm off to take some deep breaths and do some yoga now....
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, April 09, 2004 - 9:53 am
Watching Tom's tape...he was reiterating that they had a 'plan' to save Amber...I suppose they were going to try to throw the challenge but unfortunately for them, they answered more questions correctly! lol So they won immunity. I agree he seems to believe it was the three of them in an alliance but he & Rob are the F2 in his own mind. And...all the business about learning about handling a situation....jump in the water or think of frogs...brother...sounded to me he was giving Rob advice about a little more than just 'missing' Amber! ;)
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