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Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 9:27 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The only thing I didn't care about Alicia's comment, and what I think made her sound like a bully, was the "... you still have to live with us" part. It really sounded like a threat, like if you get too cocky, we can make life miserable for you, make you sorry you won immunity.

I'm sure it was a defensive reaction tho. Alicia isn't a graceful loser, but that doesn't make her a bad person. I personally was whooping and hollering right along with Shi-ann. Since all the rest of the tribe was so "in your face" with their statements that she was going and there was nothing Shi-ann could say to change that, I think Shi-ann was a bit justified in her response to winning. I know I would NOT have been a graceful winner in that circumstance!! It really felt good to see the smug faces fall. *walks away tee heeing*

Zipsdaddy
Member

09-17-2002

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 9:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think they are finally understanding what Cathy meant last week when she told them it's a whole different game when you get down to 7. Hello.... 4-3??? This was their chance to kick Rob out. Did Rubert AND Tom AND Jenna AND Alici AND Amber all think they will be in the final 3????

Wake up and count your days..... they are numbered!!

I am surprized that Rubert and or Tom didn't go to Shi Ann and make a new alliance.....

Jimmer
Member

08-30-2000

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I enjoyed everything about Shi Ann winning the immunity challenge – her courage, her determination and her victory celebration, which was well deserved. What did Alicia think Shi Ann should do – just politely give up?

Speaking of alliances, I also greatly enjoyed the irony that when Shi Ann approached Alicia earlier to discuss things, Alicia rather nastily told her to get lost – that everything was already decided and she wasn’t interested in talking or hearing what Shi Ann had to offer. Alicia was just a tiny bit wrong about that, wasn’t she? How sweet!

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think how she said it was worse than what she met. Survivor over time has shown that you are more likely to move forward by sticking with your original alliance. People seem to have a tougher time with someone who bounces around.

I know there have been exceptions, but for the majority of the situations, the loyalty approach has paid off better than the jumping ship approach.

What Shii Ann could have done was to talk to a couple of people at one time, so people wouldn't think changing over would be a futile effort. (Alicia changing her mind would be of no use with just Shii Ann) Alicia had no reason to feel a change in that situation would be of any benefit, no matter who she felt.

Auntiemike
Member

09-17-2001

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 10:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm under the impression that the two supports for Shii Ann (Kathy and Lex) were already gone and she was high and dry when it came to fitting in with another group of players. Everyone feels pretty tight to their perceived alliance. Alecia also indicated that Shii Ann had the pattern of flitting from person to person and shaking things up with her "gossipy" comments. No one was willing to let her in and join their alliance.

The next few days will be very difficult for Shii Ann, I believe, unless someone else begins to irritate people more. Looks like there are a few others (in the previews) that may fill the bill.


Chief1
Member

08-18-2003

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Calamity, I agree with you about the producers needing to kiss Shii Ann's feet. The show really was getting kind of boring, and she brought on the good TV!

Thanks for your comment, Essence. Alicia really isn't a bully, IMHO.... She just doesn't like putting up with mess!

Jimmer, on The Early Show, Alicia gave a pretty convincing reason as to why she didn't try to pair with Shii Ann. According to Alicia, Shii Ann was going to everyone with reports of who's voting for whom, who said something about whom, and what group said what, etc. Shii Ann is definitely holding her own now, and that's great! But if I were Alicia, I wouldn't fall for that, either.

Here's part of this morning's post for Alicia's appearance on The Early Show, concerning this. I tried to recall the rest of the interview, and posted under The CBS Morning Show thread:

She was then asked about Shii Ann, and how she felt Shii Ann was playing the game, since Shii Ann came to her several times during the game. Alicia's response was that she couldn't accept what Shii Ann was doing. She said that she would have considered joining forces with Shii Ann if she thought it was genuine. Rather, she said that Shii Ann would just go from one person to another to give "reports" on what she had heard, or who was talking about whom, etc., and she couldn't respect that.

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 2:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunshyne4u, I went back and watched the last scene again. Alicia actually shot a look back behind Shi-Ann (in Rob's direction), and said "Somebody turned. I better not find out who it is." It wasn't a hint for Shi-Ann's benefit but a warning/threat for Rob. Then they zoomed in on Rob's face. Her closing comments further suggest that she was putting Rob on notice for when the jury has their say. I guess she had taken his handshake quite seriously. She should've learned from Lex's experience what Rob's deals are worth.

It's interesting how different players develop an idea of how the game is supposed to be played, as if there's a rule book. Shii-Ann's comments are interesting. She sees it as a chess game rather than being about alliances. I think the time has come for players to realize the alliance strategy is no longer viable. It just locks you in and limits your options, and all you have is their word that they won't vote you out. That makes it too easy for someone like Rob to pretend to be allies with everyone. Plus you could end up like Rupert, stuck with someone who drives you nuts. Maybe in future games the alliance will become a thing of the past and people will play for themselves.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 2:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Curlyq, I'd pay money to see that. I hate alliances for an individual game. All it shows is that you can pick a partner better than the next person. I don't think that should be what survivor is all about.

Crossfire
Member

08-07-2001

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'd like to co-sign that as well.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 2:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've been saying since S2 that the alliances took over the game of survivor. The tribes created to begin with lead to loyalties of sorts--that is why Pagonging takes place. Picking who you start with to be a group of 3 or 4 though can break or make you, from the very beginning. S2 proved that perfectly--Lex, Ethan and Tom created an alliance that never was questioned between the 3 of them, and they were all strong competitors.

That is great for a team game, but Survivor should be about "the sole survivor". I'd like to see if it can be an exciting game with 16 individuals playing as just that from day 1. Put them all on the same tribe, so Pagonging can't take place from original tribe loyalties too.

I think in many cases, the voting results could be the same--only you wouldn't have it x number of votes to zero. I think it would create a more complicated game, actually.

Magicjet
Member

09-25-2003

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well when I used the word "bully" it was deleted but since everyone else is using it, I'll say it again- Alicia <acted like> a schoolyard BULLY!Good ridence!

it's not ok to say what someone is--it is ok to say how someone acted. <LC>

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's funny when you think about how Richard Hatch was hated by America for making the game predictable with his alliance strategy, and then every contestant after that went and did the same thing.

If they got rid of the alliance factor the game would probably look more like the one Pagong was playing. It would probably become more about surviving the elements, and who was contributing the most to the tribe.

I don't even really mind them voting together in a single round, but when they make deals for the whole game it makes it all so predictable. Then you get complaints from Colby and the like about players riding coattails. Well, if you want to play an alliance game, at one time or another you're going to be carrying somebody in exchange for their vote.

At least they can't accuse Shii-Ann of riding coattails anymore. Win or lose, she's in the game now by sheer willpower.

Magicjet
Member

09-25-2003

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 3:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That's right Shiann was amazing. The look on Alicia's face made it all worth while. Bah-bye!

Cassie
Member

07-15-2000

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 4:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<Alicia <acted like> a schoolyard BULLY!Good ridence!>

Yes, and LEX acted like a middle-aged fool, sitting there with that ridiculous mohawk, giggling like a schoolgirl coz Shiann won immunity. Guess it was better than his sullen, p.o'd look of last week. I think it's pathetic though when a man his age with two children "acts like" a total idiot. Makes you want to question his mental health, :-)


Pascalle
Member

09-25-2003

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 4:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nothing could make me unhappy today. Even if Shiann goes in 3 days, it was all worth it. For the whole season- priceless.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 6:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL Cassie. Lex and his mowhawk. Maybe he's determined to start up the style again because the shaved head mowhawk has been OUT for a looooong time!

THX to CurlyQ for the deciphering of Alicia's mutterings as she was leaving her seat after votes counted. I guess Rob can cross another name of the List of people who MAY vote for him at the end LOL.

Puzzled
Member

08-27-2001

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 6:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good point, Lancecf--the Pagonging has really made Survivor too predictable.

Wendo
Member

08-07-2000

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 7:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think Lance suggest a good idea, having a Survivor season where it's save yourself from day one; no separate teams. I think that would be interesting to watch, mainly because it would be different from what's playing now. LOL!

They could even do what they did this season and have two immunities available early on.

Lance, send that along to MB and CBS!

Magicjet
Member

09-25-2003

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 7:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Terrific idea. I always wanted this.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 8:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I still can't believe they thought ALicia was not deserving to be onASS!!! WHy not??? There is only ONE person that falls into that category and that person is AMBER!!!!

Maybe they missspelled AMBER..they both start with an A!!!

Kappy
Member

06-29-2002

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 8:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Absolutely agree, Pamy with your assessment on who deserved to be on All-Stars and who didn't. But then we're looking at it as viewers who couldn't even remember who Amber was before this Survivor started. And if Amber hadn't hooked up with Rob this time, I feel she would have again blended into the background.

I just wonder how Tom is feeling since up until now, he had assumed he was in the final three with Rob & Amber. At what point will he figure out that it's not Rupert's fault but rather Rob who's been playing him all along or will he figure it out at all?

I think they were all in a foul mood over ShiiAnn winning immunity, not just Alisha, except perhaps for Rupert. The look on all their faces when she won is the first thing I've enjoyed about this Survivor since it began.

Curlyq
Member

07-10-2002

Friday, April 23, 2004 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kappy, you brought up an interesting point. Didn't it seem like Rupert was almost wanting Shii-Ann to win? I'd have to watch again, but I seem to recall both of them encouraging each other to beat Rob. I know he likes to compete and I understand why he'd feel like he needed to beat Rob for his own security, but when Rob lost it kind of seemed like Rupert was only hanging in there at the end for Jenna's sake. Makes me wonder if Rupert hadn't been hoping to vote out Rob.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 4:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I like Lance's idea of one tribe of 16. I also think it would shake up alliances..and keep the contestants off balance... if tribe members were exchanged on a regular basis, (assuming there are two/three tribes). I liked the pulling of the colored buffs out of the jar, even tho it didn't work like everyone was hoping it would.

I think some kind of weekly random shuffling of tribemembers would prevent the making of such strong alliances. Or have a challenge, and the first two winners would have to switch tribes... then at the next challenge the last two would have to switch...then at the next challenge have some kind of random drawing...

ANYTHING but what's going on now...

Cousin_jake
Member

07-04-2002

Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think I'd like to see a Survivor where all 16 start off together. At the reward and immunity challenges, they'd be divided randomly into two groups to compete. Since they'd never know who else would be on their team when they compete for immunity, they'd have to be very careful about all relationships.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 11:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I forgot to mention that along with my suggestion of one tribe to begin with, all reward and immunity challenges would be individual.

That way they have to work together to get along and have shelter, food, etc, but every competition is everyone for themselves--and no sharing of a reward--no two or three people getting to go off together. That wat there can't be any small pockets of people together away from the rest.