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06-30-2002
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 8:48 am
The above two articles were relocated here from the General Discussion area due to the 'Spoiler' information contained in them. Mod (22)
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Kep421
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08-11-2001
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:18 am
I believe the unwanted touching of anyone by another's genitals should be treated seriously. Maybe not a huge overblown dramatic episode, but there should be some kind of repercussion. It may have been good strategy to make others think twice about confronting him, but Richard did not have to PURPOSELY try to touch people with his genitals. I think Richard was way out of line with this behavior. I also think the production staff should have called him on it immediately and made it perfectly clear that such behavior would not be tolerated. I'm wondering if the production crew was just hoping the entire thing would die down now that Rich was gone, and they tried to placate Sue with statements like "Aw..come on...its just Rich...", or perhaps make light of the situation with little jokes. Its pure speculation on my part, but I think minimizing what happened would make Sue more angry and upset than the actual offense.
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Adven
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02-06-2001
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:24 am
Although I think Richard's behavior was offensive ( it's pretty hard to condone being naked and brushing up against a woman in public even in the context of this show), I think it will end up being a lot of flash with little substance. His behavior may even end up being technically illegal, but I doubt any court will want to devote the time and money needed to try a matter so trivial - and, by this, I'm not referring to his member.
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Marameko
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07-15-2002
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:25 am
Sue has the type of personality to instigate drama. Richard was dead wrong, Sue made a conscious decision to walk down that plank. Since she knows full well neither she or Richard are interested in the other I am thinking that gurlfriend wants to rub up some dust in general.
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Ddr
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08-19-2001
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:28 am
Personally, I think CBS should have edited out the whole affair.
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Magicjet
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09-25-2003
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:52 am
It might also be Tom now that I think about it. Didn't his tribe get another big bottle of wiskey? Men, why do they have to act like pigs?
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Kep421
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08-11-2001
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:55 am
It could be a combination of both her treatment by Rich, then having to put up with drunken Tom. Tom has been very critical of Sue behind the scenes...maybe the whiskey makes him more public in his statements? Having to endure Rich's unwanted touching and then having to deal with Tom just might push Sue past her limit.
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Maris
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03-28-2002
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:55 am
Maybe Toms problem is that he was acting like a Ram and not a pig. Heck, the guy spends his life around goats. Seems to me Sue and Tom are ready for a big blow up and I cant wait!!!!!! Sue doesn't strike me as the type to get overly offended. She did say something like Come On to Rich and she was pissed at what he did. I dont see her going after Jeff over it.
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Earthmother
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07-14-2002
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:42 am
Sue didn't seem upset at all by the Richard incident..Sue of all people would have screamed loudly if it had bothered her this much, and I don't think she would give Hatch credit for upsetting her even if he did. I do think however, she has had enough of Big Tom. She made reference to how Big Tom talks to and about the women more than once. I have a feeling her ire has more to do with Tom than with Richard..
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Auntiemike
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09-17-2001
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:52 am
I posted this in another section also: If Sue sees Rich's behavior as sexual harrassment then Tom's remarks should also have equal footing, I believe. He is very obnoxious with his sexual innuendos and I had the same opinion of him last time too. Sue just seems to have a problem with anyone who doesn't talk/behave the way she wants them to. It's a reflection of Sue more than anyone else, I think. I feel sad for her.
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Spitfire
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07-18-2002
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:28 pm
Thinking about Sue's blowup and reading the posts above make me think it may be Tom to. The preview showed the others as shocked with the OMG expression on their faces. I would think that if it was about Rich they would have a grin and be snickering about it because he is gone and they don't have to be shocked about what she may be saying. With Tom being there, they would have to react in a way that would be expected. Their shocked expressions could be showing us that they cannot believe that she would draw this much attention to herself. Does this make any sense? 
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Pamy
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01-02-2002
| Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:58 pm
Sure does Spitfire! I think your right
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Reader234
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08-13-2000
| Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 12:03 pm
All righty then.. oops forgot to watch seinfeld Spoiler surfing... The vidcaps arent out there for 2 challenges. The reference is (from voice overs already posted) that Sue goes off on Jeff, now I've read that editing could give us misdirection (yeah, like that never happens!! ) So I'm just posting MORE speculation... from Weezie at ss (she went to Panama)
quote:About the Rich issue, from what I've heard, Rich pulls that act all the time. It's his sense of humor... or intimidation, to be more accurate. He did it more than once and on different people during his time on the island and during the challenge. Apparently, a lot more happened that CBS didn't show, including the fact that the tribes were yelling at Jeff to make Rich put his pants back on. Watch for the contestants to side with Sue next week.... and for Probst to get criticized openly and forcefully by his best buddy Colby
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Urgrace
Member
08-19-2000
| Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 5:06 pm
It felt like we didn't see all that happened. I was wondering if that might be the case.
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Hippyt
Member
09-10-2001
| Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 5:23 pm
Yes,I think it was heavily edited. I can say this though,we won't be seeing anymore naked challenges on Survivor!
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Starshine40
Member
07-30-2002
| Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 9:52 pm
I went back and rewatched the tape on this. I must say that in my opinion this whole incident could have been avoided by either Rich or Kathy. There was a small platform area where the 3 boards came together. Sue was waiting (IMO)not to confront Richard but for him to come on across so she could go on that board. Kathy was coming across behind Sue but Sue was only watching Richard and I'm not sure she even knew Kathy was right there. Just as Richard got up to Sue (he would have seen Kathy and could have waited for her to get past Sue) Kathy went to go behind Sue and Richard bumped into Sue in the front and Kathy was right behind her (it put Kathy off balance when Sue bumped Kathy). Kathy could also have gotten Sue's attention and they could have gotten around each other on the small platform then Sue could have gotten back over where Richard could have gone onto the platform. Sue could then have gone over the board Richard had been on. As it was Richard and Kathy had Sue boxed in with no place to go and Richard bumped into her, apparently on purpose, since he could have waited. In my opinion I think they should NEVER have let Richard go naked on even Survivor 1, certainly not during a challenge where contact was likely.
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Puttergirl
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08-11-2000
| Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 8:52 am
I agree, Starshine40. Nudity has no place in the game. He totally used it to intimidate and win the game. Even though this game is about doing what it takes to win, there needs to be limits!!!
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Maris
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03-28-2002
| Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 10:56 am
Nudity has always had a place in Survivor. Wasn't it Jenna who took her bathingsuit top off to win a challenge? The reason apparently that people seem to take offense in this case is that it is a forty year old guy taking his clothes off versus a twenty something girl. Now I wonder if it was Colby who was prancing naked down the planks, who would be humiliated?
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 11:03 am
Jenna and Heidi took off tops and bottoms too lose a challenge and get some peanut butter and chocolate that they would have got just by jumping off the poles. They were not too bright. But Survivor has never said anything against nudity up to this point, so until they do, it is certainly fair game. I would also guess that there may be some restriction placed on voluntary nudity during the competitions in the future. The limits will always be tested and they will always be adjusted, usually after someone has successfully pushed a limit too far.
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Bandit
Member
07-29-2001
| Monday, March 01, 2004 - 10:41 am
I wouldn't be offended at all by Colby doing ANYTHING in the nude. In fact, bring it on!!!! 
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Monday, March 01, 2004 - 10:52 am
Yep Bandit, all the women would be racing down the plank. lol.
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Monday, March 01, 2004 - 1:30 pm
CBS could have edited out the whole scene plus Sue's reaction. It was left in to create interest, to get people talking about the show, to get everyone discussing it on the internet. Well, duh, it worked, and here we are!!!! Nudity has always been a part of Survivor and has always been highly promoted and then blurred out. I'm not offended by the nudity, but I am so grossed out, not only by what Richard apparently did but the fact that CBS chose to put it so "in your face" (HeeHee - you all know what I mean). Rubbing your genitals on someone is reprehensible, & Sue had every right to make an issue of it, even though she and Richard had been making sex jokes just a few minutes earlier. The most offensive nudity, to me, was when Jenna and Heidi stripped for what was really no good reason except to show off their bodies on television. Those bony ribcages with phony melons attached to the front were far and away more unattractive than than anything else on Survivor and will stick in my mind for a long time, along with Kimmi's big blue mouth. I hope I don't get modded for this, I am only telling the truth as I remember it.
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Starshine40
Member
07-30-2002
| Monday, March 01, 2004 - 8:33 pm
Catfat said, "CBS could have edited out the whole scene plus Sue's reaction. " I disagree. If Sue quits this week as is being talked about, how would they explain her not being in the show if they don't show the confrontation between her and Jeff? At the end of that confrontation is when Sue supposedly QUITS the game. In order to explain her absence from the game they NEED to show her quitting. Therefore they needed to show (an edited version of) what happened with Rich and Sue.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Monday, March 01, 2004 - 8:56 pm
I agree Star, I just posted something like that in spoiler thread
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Catfat
Member
02-27-2002
| Monday, March 01, 2004 - 10:51 pm
Oh, you're right Star, I forgot about that. But do we know for sure that Sue quits?
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