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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 1:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
as I work in the medical field I might look at things a little different. Cancer treatments are often a gamble. I agree her MOTHER's Death is unfortunate. As was my grandmother's, grandfather's and father's. People will develop cancer and die of it each and every day.
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Nowhere in my post did I say that her mother's death wasnt unfortunate to Jenna and her family.
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Surely I can simply agree with previous posters that Jenna should not have been there and state my opinion without being slammed by other posters? or is it that I am not considered a "regular" after coming here since BigBrother1? Maybe I am being oversensitive but how bout someone who HAS the episode taped check to see what kathy said. That would be a constructive post.

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 3:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes it IS unfortunate her Mom passed but to me it just underscores even more everything that Sunshyne had just said.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 5:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I recall the episode and Kathy did say that Jennas mother had a relapse and was getting treatment. I disagree with your assessment that Jenna "used the 'sick mom stance'". It seems insensitive to me especially in light of the fact that her mother did die.

Jenna's mother encouraged her to go to all-stars because she was a huge survivor fan. She did not anticipate backing out of the competition and I think it is unfair for people, Rupert and Alicia to be so harsh and cruel to her. It was unnecessary and I thought it was in poor taste.

Richard thought she should have stayed at least until after the immunity competition but he didnt criticize her at the group meeting even though her withdrawing was going to hurt his team. I have more respect for Richard than I do for Alicia and Rupert, people who were not even on her team and people who would not be impacted by her withdrawing from the competition.



Kep421
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08-11-2001

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 6:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It may have been only nine days into the game, but I'm sure Jenna had made the committment to appear much earlier than that. At the time she committed herself to doing ASS, her mom may have indeed been feeling well enough to tell her daughter to go. I believe her mom encouraged her to do ASS and at one time Jenna became convinced she could do it, despite any feelings of misgiving. I'm sure the feeling that she made a mistake was growing within her from the moment that her mom relapsed, and finally culminated into an unbearable urge to leave 9 days into the show.

We can speculate all we want. None of us know for sure what transpired between Jenna and her mom just before Jenna left for ASS. But Jenna said it best when she stated she made a bad judgment call. Jenna now admits that she made a mistake, and she apologized for it.

We all are human. ALL humans make bad judgments at one time or another in their lives. When someone comes to me and says "I'm sorry. I made a mistake." I hope I could be as forgiving and understanding as I would wants others to be towards me when I screw up. JMHO.

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 7:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
We also don't know (or do we?) how long the survivors are gone from their homs before the show starts. Do they fly them out there early (before taping), or do they fly them out the day before dropping them off?

Should she have been there? In hindsight, no- obviously she shouldn't have gone. She would have had a few extra days with her mom. I've gotten myself into things before that I regretted and wanted to back out of. I see no fault with her for doing so.

Totally different but the same idea- a few years back I was in Colorado with my family skiing. My cousin and I started to go down a black diamond. A little way down, we decided it wasn't a good idea. We walked a bit back up the mountain carrying our skis to go down the moderate one next to it. No regrets. We weren't sure of how bad of an idea it was until we were already there.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 8:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think from interviews I know the general time line. Many, many months before every participant ever (112 people) got a phone call asking them if they'd be interested. From there they started making a list which was slowly whittled down. Over last summer quite a few went through the immunizations - several months before films started. The final group was finalized (I think with a few alternates) about 3 weeks before filming began. I believe the three week mark is when they were supposed to stop communicating with fellow survivors. JennaM in her pre-game interview on the CBS website, pretty much said she ignored that ban. I think the three week mark is also when they pretty much were committed to doing the show. I'm sure by this point MB already knew probable tribal break downs.

About 3 to 5 days before filming started they were flown to Panama. Pre-show in Panama, each contestant was housed with the 5 others that were going to be on their tribe - but they weren't told that until right before the game began. They were supposed to be unaware of who the other 12 players were. During this time there was lots of press interviews. I don't know if they were allowed to speak to one another during this time period - but I get a feeling they did. Reporters have said stuff like Coby and Rich had breakfest togeher (Rich and Lex?) at the hotel. I don't know if the contestants were allowed to communicate with their family during this time or not.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jenna showing up to do the show was insensitive in my opinion.
Her mother was ill (but what's she going to tell her kid...stay here & watch me die?), she had already won a million and whatever amount Playboy paid her.
The ONLY reason she was on the All Stars is she was a former winner, which I believe was ONLY by some quirk of fate.
As I said earlier....there were quite a few others, such as Michael Skupin, who lost the chance for another try because she decided to show up.
She KNEW there was a possibility her mother would take a turn for the worst. She also knew that someone else was being denied the chance for a shot at the prize but she went anyway.
She contributed nothing to All Stars or the Amazon show.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Michael who?

Mocha
Member

08-12-2001

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Michael Skupin was in Survivor Australia, the one who was burned in the fire.

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The guy with the fire- smoke or burns or whatever. I remember him as the pig slaughter guy.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As I remember him, he seemed kind of obnoxious and he wasn't well liked till he fell in the fire. Every year, regardless of the reality show, there are always people that feel the person didn't deserve to win. Tina, Jenna, Lisa, etc., but my view is if they last that long and get the votes, they deserved the bucks. They may not have been interesting, they may have even rode someone's coattails till the end but they did it. I have never been a fan of the flying under the radar strategy because if you had sixteen people all trying to fly under the radar, we would be bored senseless.

To say that Jenna robbed someone more deserving seems silly to me. It is a game and Jenna's leaving is just another component of the game itself. That her leaving impacted the game is a definite. I just see it as another twist in the game.

Gina8642
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06-01-2001

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
No male was kept off the game by JennaM's decision. The cast is equally divided by gender. She would have been replaced by a female, not Mike Skupin.

Hindsight is 20/20. Sure, it would have been nice if someone else got to play in her place. But I don't think she made the wrong decision. She went with the information she had at the time.

March
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10-02-2003

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 10:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Where was Jenna's family in all this? Were they just going to tell Jenna after the show was over that her mother had passed away while she was gone?? Jenna and her mother were very close, so why didn't someone from the family contact MB and tell them that her mother was not going to make it to the end of the show. Jenna said that her mother never woke up in the eight days before she died. If that is not a sign that someone has gone from bad to worse I don't know what is. So why didn't someone contact the show and get them to tell Jenna?
I don't care if Survivor is her mother's favorite show, if something had happened and she took a turn for the worst and it didn't look like she was going to make it to the end of the taping I would be calling the show and telling them to get that girl home.


Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 1:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
IMO they were kind of dragging the bottom of the barrel anyway to get enough women - I mean Shi Ann didn't even make her show's jury.

Serate
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08-21-2001

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 6:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunshyne4u I totally agree with you.

Reader234
Member

08-13-2000

Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 7:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
btw I read somewhere in the black hole of the internet (so rumor or not, you be the judge)

Mike Skupin was asked to join the ASS, but he felt it wasnt in his families best interest, that he has moved on, and I remember the information stating he was in the ministry also...maybe I'll google again!! :-)

Having been close to friends from the age of 18 to family members in their 60's that passed away, it is unfair to sit behind my computer and judge what ifs, I think I could think of a scenario that would have me going out there, and I commend Jenna for following her heart and running back home, that had to be a hard decision, I'm sure she watched what happened to Osten... but again, PURE speculation...

Hah wrong info...

From the Detroit Free Press >>>


quote:

Mike Skupin of White Lake, Michigan’s other highly famous “Survivor” contestant, apparently also was approached for “Survivor: All-Stars,” which will get a rousing send-off from CBS after the Super Bowl on Feb. 1.

To be precise, says his sister, he was told he’d be on the show. Then at the last minute, he was gonged, and he’s less than happy about it.




Michigan Survivors


Also on his website

Mike Skupin

it talks about his Christian faith in detail...


Serate
Member

08-21-2001

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 12:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jenna was on LivingItUp! with Ali & Jack this morning. She made a comment that I can relate to, and has actually helped me in my situation. She said that if she stayed at home since she knew her mom had cancer she'd have never gone anywhere for 12 years. When she left for ASS her mom had a broken ankle but was doing ok. Her mom wanted her to do ASS, told her to do ASS.

I still agree w/Sunshyne4u. She and others should be able to post their feelings, agree w/others, and not get slammed.


Neko
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08-03-2001

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder, since this episode (Feb 19th) was only 3 days after Jenna's leaving, and the next will be 3 days after that..

Did CBS and MB know of Jenna's mother's passing when it happened?? And did they tell the Survivors that were left??

Gina8642
Member

06-01-2001

Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 8:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jenna has stated in her interviews that she kept in touch with the production people about her mother's condition - after her mom passed MB called her personally. So, yes MB and CBS knew.

Will they tell the Survivors? I don't know - but I would think they wouldn't share non-game information with them - especically when it isn't any of their families affected. That said - I really don't know...

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Friday, February 20, 2004 - 7:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
They probably found out as they were voted out. Not that it would really affect anything in the game, but why would they bother telling them? Then again, I bet they tell them a lot and they do a lot of editing to hide it.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 10:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
MARIS my quote said "As GIDGET said earlier in a post, Jenna used the 'sick mom' stance to benefit herself in the previous game."

I agreed with someone else's bold opinion. Please dont slam me for voicing my agreement with it.

Slamming me is starting to be a TVclubhouse tradition with some season to season. Good thing I dont get angry about stuff.
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Perspective is everything. Truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. All we can do is remain respectful of others opinions and RIGHT to post their perspectives(even if it seems incorrect to some) It is one of the reasons I use direct quotes...that way there is less misreading meaning-which I have done myself in other threads :-((




Maris
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03-28-2002

Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 11:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Why bring something up that I said four days ago is puzzling. Reading back on my post, I disagree that I was slamming you but you are entitled to your opinion.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 11:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just find the use of ASS to be amusing. :-)

Bob2112
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06-12-2002

Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 11:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

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Ketchuplover Saturday, February 21, 2004 - 9:54 pm
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I just find the use of ASS to be amusing.