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Mocha
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08-12-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think that if this was a big issue to Sue regarding Rich then she would've went totally off during the challenge not a day later at the next one. She also chose the path that would force her to brush up against Rich instead of taking the other one. So I think it is possible that she is going off on a different issue.

Happymom
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01-20-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think it's possible (and probable) that it's a different issue too. But, if Jeff brings it up, especially if he jokes about it, she'll probably blow her top. It'll be very interesting to see what happens next week!

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I dont think it was about Sue and Rich. However, Rich did more than just brush past Sue and it wasnt about them sharing the plank and having to get past each other. Rich, as I recall, held his hands up and was deliberately bumping her and didnt stop until Jeff told him to cut it out. It wasnt merely bodies touching, it was Rich's deliberate attempt to put Sue off balance by shoving his wee willie winkie at her. Now is that against the rules? Got me. I dont think though that it would be something that Sue would get hysterical about.

Hippyt
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09-10-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think you have a good point Happymom. I could see her getting mad if Jeff joked about it. Otherwise,not so much.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with Kep--I would have been really steamed at being told to "get over it."

While what Rich did was crude and disgusting, what Probst said was dismissive and condescending. She had every right to be angry and not blown off.

Surfgirl
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10-11-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think she's upset over Richard.. "rubbing her the wrong way".. and maybe a combination of Jeff trying to make it no big deal and.. I like Tom.. but you know he couldn't resist teasing her about it!
I can just imagine what he would come up with to torture her ..LOL
Sorry maybe it isn't funny to some.. I am not a big Sue fan.. And I agree if it would of been a younger prettier girl.. there might of been more concern from others. I sure the heck wouldnt want Richard grinding me!!
Guess Sue's snake comment from Survivor 1.. came back and bit her in the butt!!( Sorry couldn't resist..)

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good point Happymom, hadn't thought about that!!

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 8:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
How can we tell that Richard was pushing his genitals against Sue?

There wasa good sized blur obscuring things. I think many are 'surmising' that he must have touched Sue with his penis because she is now 'outraged'.

Several people have said that Rich is NOT well endowed. My guess is...none of what he possesses even touched her. Just the 'dancing movement' he made suggests he was kidding around, not trying to touch or intimidate or gross her out.

I believe if he had been trying to grind on her, she would have indeed knocked him in the drink or Jeff would have intervened. Probst treated it as Richard acting silly & childish, not sexually oppressive.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Playing devils advocate here, you are exactly right Rupertbear. "Probst treated it as Richard acting silly and childish, not sexually oppressive". The thing is, it isnt about how Probst saw it but rather how Susan saw it.

I still think Sue's outburst is about something else.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes...I see what you are saying Maris but I believe Sue is an opportunist. If she had been truly offended, I think she would have reacted on the spot.

For a woman, who announces to the world that she is relieving her bladder, in front of them all...well, if that is her normal mode of behaviour...to suddenly have an epiphany days later and decide she is outraged & offended....um, I just find it hard to swallow.

But as you say...it could be Tom who has set her off, not the incident with Hatch.

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 6:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Due to spoilers, we knew something was going to 'happen' during the show. What amazed me was the calmness of the players after the incident, suggesting to me that there must have been some film on the cutting floor due to heavy editing. We did not see everything, even what we saw was blurred.

Maybe there are other things happening which cause her to be emotional, and Jeff just sets her off with a casual comment. Richard's aggravation, Tom's name calling, and Jeff's "get over it" would cause me to blow up.

Sue is an attention getter. It may be nothing more than seeking that attention.



Maris
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03-28-2002

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 6:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think sue is very out there and an extremely strong competitor, witness she was the only one (at least from what we saw of the edited challenge) who got the bright idea to jump off the plank and her whole team followed her off the plank to let Robert compete and bring them to victory. When it comes time for a competition, she is a very hard player and I could see her getting really pissed if something screwed her up in the competitions. What is very telling is her statement to Jeff that "she was spent" I have thought about this and here is my speculation.

Sue says something to Jeff about Richard giving her the bump, Jeff then says something to her like she chose to go to that plank and she knew Richard was naked. jeff might even go so far as to say Hey Sue, you were going in one direction and changed your mind to go on the plank with Richard. At this point Sue blows up and tells him that she wasnt thinking clearly because she was "Spent" from the competition. So Jeff may have put it on Sue that she chose to go the plank with Richard and Sue was screaming at Jeff that she was exhausted.

Hippyt
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09-10-2001

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That makes more sense than anything I've thought of,lol. I've been trying to figure out the "spent" all day! Jeff didn't take it seriously when it happened,ya have to figure he isn't going to be anymore serious later. And,that could get to her.
As for the possibility that Tom has something to do with it,I don't think so. If you look at the vidcaps,she is standing out from the tribe,focused on Jeff. Tom is standing in the backgroun,an obvious observer. If Sue was mad at Tom,she would be focused on him. And,if she said anything to Tom,he would be all in the middle of it.
Appears to me,Sue is mad AT Jeff for his part in the incident. Or should I say,his lack of involvement in the incident.

Caycaye
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09-14-2001

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 9:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Makes sense Maris, but I thought you felt that Sue was upset by some OTHER incident....

I cannot believe that Sue was THAT mad, the day after, about what Richard did, OR Jeff's reaction to it.

It HAS to be something else....

or not....LOL

Urgrace
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08-19-2000

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 9:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, you think good. Hippy, you too.

Now consider this, why is everyone but Tom looking down at the ground in some of the pictures, and why are some of them smiling in others?



Maris
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03-28-2002

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 9:42 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Scroll back Caycaye, I said I still think it is about something else. I am just speculating how it might have all come down if it was about Richard.

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 10:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In the video preview on CBS Sue is shown saying, "I was humiliated and dehumanized." The sentence may have concluded with "and I'm EMOTIONALLY spent". We'll have to wait till next Thursday to see how it plays out. Look for lots of fireworks in this scene though!

Curlyq
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07-10-2002

Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 11:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Isn't it possible that instead of yelling at Tom or at Jeff, Sue might be yelling at someone on Mogo Mogo? The preview says that the thing with Richard leads to a "showdown," and the two tribes are shown coming together (presumably for a challenge). Then they cut away to Sue in a confessional saying "We see nothing wrong with what he did." I can only assume she was relaying what someone else said.

Maybe Mogo Mogo complained again about Chapera jumping off the platform to let Rob go ahead, and then Sue pointed out what Rich did and it starts an argument.

What Richard did to her was inexcusable, but I sure wish Sue hadn't made that comment in the previous episode about Richard's bony eels and not having one for her. That may have been what led him to think she would take this as a joke, although he should've known better.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 2:33 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am just as puzzled as you guys as to what actually makes Sue pop. She sure looks like she is going to have a stroke!
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In the preview Sue says she is spent...in my family this means exhausted, tired, at the end of your rope. I feel sorry for her having someone in her tribe like Tom who picks at her. Oh well, next episode will answer all our questions. :-)



Azriel
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08-01-2000

Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 2:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sunshyne4u, what I thought was that Sue is using spent to mean that she was used. She felt humiliated, dehumanized and totally spent(used).

I can't wait for the next episode. The suspense is already killing me! :-)

Pamy
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01-02-2002

Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 4:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good vidcaps of the incident at SS plus some interesting discussion.

Note: The following link may contain spoilers. Click at your own risk:
http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=17430.topic

ModIL

Azriel
Member

08-01-2000

Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 5:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pamy, the moderators might want to move your post to Spoilers. It is a great thread, but it does contain a few spoilers in it from Wezzie.

Added warning to the link ~ModIL

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Sunday, February 29, 2004 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Mod and AZ, I thought I was in a spoiler thread when I posted it, thanks for the heads up!

Cillysue2
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05-02-2003

Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I swear I have never laughed so hard, I am crying. My GAWD, If Richard had done that to me I would have snatched them right off of him. LOLOLOLOLOL
EWEWEWEWEWWWWWWWWWWWWe
Then I would forever have the feel of his eel burned on my butt. GROSSSSSSSSSS!!!! LOLOLOLOL

Happymom
Member

01-20-2003

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 3:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Did anyone see a recent commercial for tonight's show? I think I saw one last night, it showed Sue yelling about being upset, but this commercial seemed to show more than the previous commercials I've seen, and more than the previews for tonight's show that were shown at the end of last week's show. I could be wrong. I wasn't paying close attention. But, I thought I heard something that maybe confirmed that Sue is upset about the whole Richard thing from the challenge last week.