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Essence
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01-11-2003

Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 11:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Saboga Staying Under Radar

PEARL ISLANDS, Jan. 29, 2004

(CBS) Staying away from tribal council is definitely the name of the game and with two past champions on the Saboga tribe, the torch-snuffing targets are pretty easy to spot. The Early Show Correspondent Tracy Smith has the inside scoop.

Ethan Zohn says, “It's amazing. Every aspect of the game is coming back. You got the jerk; you got the mom; you got the nice guy; you got the snake; you got the hot chick. We're all coming back to play the game and battle."

The “Survivor: Africa” champion is prepared to do battle with the best, beginning with another winner who has taken a more enlightened perspective.

Tina Wesson says, "It's not about walking away with the million dollars. It's about getting up today, being in Panama, for heaven sakes, in this incredible, gorgeous place.

But don’t let that fool you. Aske dif she's willing to offer her first million back in a double-or-nothing type of deal, she says, “"Oh now, wait a minute. Now you're hitting a little too close to home."

To the four non-winners of Tina and Ethan's Saboga tribe, being the “Survivor: All Star” champ is what this game is all about.

Rudy Boesch says, "I did make the statement before that I'm going to keep doing this till I win."

Boesch has yet to let go of the mistake that may have cost him Survivor's first championship nearly four years ago.

He explains, "What happened is, I was standing there and I started dozing, which I never thought I could fall asleep standing up."

Not all of the Saboga tribe; however, were as close to the prize as Rudy. Jenna Lewis and Jerri Manthey barely made their juries. But both had a significant impact on the show: Manthey as the show's first femme fatale and Lewis as a single mother away from her children for the first time.

Lewis became reality TV's cover girl on Time magazine, while Manthey landed in the pages of Playboy.

But having been seen in such an intimate way is not a problem for Manthey. She says, “Playboy was like almost two years ago now, and it's not part of my everyday life. I don't even think about it anymore. To me it was just a job. It's done. It's over. I don't necessarily know if anybody else is bringing their visual remembrances of my Playboy layout with them."

As far as strategy goes, Lewis points out, “I'm not out here competing for the cover of Playboy. I'm competing for a million dollars.”

Was that a little dig?

"Not at all,” Lewis says, “It wasn't. I respect Jerri's decision. I should have done it the first time around."

When "Survivor: All Stars" was cast, fame had not yet settled on last season's favorite pirate, Rupert Boneham.

He says, "All these All Stars have been coddled and treated like All Stars for the last few years. Throw them back in the jungle where the bugs and - where everything hurts you. Then we'll see who they are."

Survivor usually starts with a group of strangers getting dumped on a beach in some exotic location, but this time a lot of them already know each other, which Zohn says it is not necessarily good.

He says, "Coming to this game, there's so much baggage. I am friends with a lot of people outside the game."

And Lewis notes, "I know their family, I've met them at appearances, at charity events."

But Boneham sees it another way. He says, "That is the thing I am worried about the most, really, is I'm looked at as the new guy, the one on the outs, the one that's not been in the group yet."

But Rupert Boneham does know the location. He's fished these same waters during “Survivor: Pearl Islands.”

He says, “The home field advantage, I got. I will always find food. I will always find shelter. I will always feel comfortable. You know, this is my element.”

Ethan Zohn isn't sure whether it's his element or not. One of the rules of “Survivor: Africa” was stay out of the water. Now, it's a whole new game.

“The rain is going to be horrible,” Zohn says, “Not looking forward to that.”

But then again, it might be interesting to watch for the viewers.

“Yes, could be exciting, a wet Ethan,” he says.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/28/earlyshow/series/survivor/main596466.shtml

Maris
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03-27-2003

Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 11:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    



I have to say I am tempted to just yell at Rupert "Get over it" all he ever talks about is being the odd one out, never belonging, victim victim, victim. I know I am in the minority here but I hope he goes early.

Padivius
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01-08-2004

Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 3:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree wholeheartedly, Maris!

Faerygdds
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08-29-2000

Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 4:03 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris,

Normally I would agree with you, but in this case I see his point. The other Survivors (and the longer in the game, the better) have all known each other for a long time. The have gone to charity events together, they have been on game shows together, done the lecture circuit together -- they even had a Survivor team on Eco-Challenge. Some of them have dated, etc. He came from the very last show and has not had the opportunity to do these things yet. Not to mention that half of the castaways were from the first 2 shows -- that's a lot of lecturing alone!

If you look at the video he was pretty obviously asked if he was worried about it. I'm sure he's thought about it -- he'd be an IDIOT not to! And it looked like he answered that indeed he was worried about that.

I didn't see it as playing the victim. I thought it was a very clear reality in this case.

Maris
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03-27-2003

Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 4:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
All last season though, Rupert went on and on about being the outsider and not being accepted. It is just getting pretty stale for me.

Saggkl
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12-27-2002

Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 7:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Does anyone know what happened to the pictures that were posted of the three teams before they changed things?

Faerygdds
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08-29-2000

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 8:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris... All I can say is that for some people it's really hard being the outsider. Esp if you have felt that way your whole life. I understand that you're tired of hearing it... imagine what it would be like to feel it!

I get what you are saying and it's not wrong. He says it a lot, but I feel a lot of empathy for the guy.

Maris
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03-27-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 9:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I do know what it is like Faerygdds. In fact my son goes through it every day at school, being teased because he is considered a nerd versus one of the cool people. He has his books taken, they play pranks on him and it certainly isn't fun. The one thing he does not do is wallow in self pity. He has fun without the insiders and has decided his life is better off without them. He is confident in himself and doesnt go around whining that people are mean to him and he isnt accpted. So when I look at Rupert I think get over it. If my 12 year old can handle it he sure should be able to.

Kimmykm
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11-20-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 1:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, you know what it's like as one looking in but not the actual person who has to take the teasing. Your son may be like some children who put up a fasad and appear to the picture of confidentiality and laugh at himself and go on and pretend there's nothing wrong...but it's just a cover. Some parents tell their children to ignore the teasing but some kids are teased so bad, it's unavoidable. That being said, parents need to not always assume that their children are handling the bullying/teasing as well they think.

Maris
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03-27-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 1:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My son does not laugh at himself and he is more than able to handle these kids. Instead of pettiness my son uses his brain and intellect to fight back. I have never told my son to ignore it. I have told him to capitalize on their stupidity. There is a reason they are D students and he is an A student. I have told him he has my total support as long as he never raises a hand. Because he has never hit back, I have had one little jerk suspended for a week and another put on detention. I take action in a meaningful way that also sends a message to these kids parents. Instead of sitting around feeling sorry for himself, my son confronts a situation, handles himself very well and more importantly, he is very comfortable with who he is. He knows he has support if he needs it.

Faerygdds
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08-29-2000

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 2:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And that's great maris. I'm happy he can handle it and I think a key to that is your obvious support. However... I would feel remiss if I didn't say that many kids (and perhaps Rupert is one of them) do not have that kind of support. How do you think your son would be if instead of you supporting him you either:
A) didn't care,
B) said something to the effect of "Why shouldn't they pick on you", or
C) Just scoffed and said, "Get over it"

Do you think he might behave differently??? I'm not saying that you're wrong. In fact I think you are incredibly right and your son is very lucky to have such a fantastic Mother. But I don't think you can measure every other picked on person next to your exemplary son either! :-)

Kimmykm
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11-20-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 2:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Most bullies don't tease self assured, confident children to pick on, they tend to tease the meek and quieter type. I don't believe you can compare your situation to normal bullied children due to the exellent job you have done in supporting your son to stand up to these harrassers and instilled great esteem in him as well.
Just try to keep in mind that not all parents offer support to their children who are being abused and harrassed in school....it's not a black and white area....i see this way too often as a social worker

Maris
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03-27-2003

Friday, January 30, 2004 - 2:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I know what you are saying but Rupert isnt some little kid. He also had plenty of support on his last foray with Survivor. He had the support of all the women and as I recall there were only two men who made jokes about him (forget who but they were gone early). Rupert seems to turn everything into him being a victim. When people actually tried to stay on the island versus letting him win or they wanted to go out and fish he acted like a bully himself. I just think his victim spiel is all an act and it gets tiresome. For a loser, he has twice been picked out of how many people to go on survivor, he has done very well and been very popular amongst the viewers and the competitors. I dont see a victim there.

Faerygdds
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08-29-2000

Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 9:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK... First of all... They shot ASS while PI was being aired, so the public attention probably didn't have time to really sink in before he got shipped off...

Second of all, my grown DH still has issues concerning when he was a child. Scars of an emotional nature that are received as a child take a very long time and often do not go away. I have to often tell him, "But that's not who you are now"

Third, often times even though we have the support of a person or two, the haunting words of childhood and all the insecurities come back when you are attacked with the same insults hurled at you in your youth. Even if you don't outwardly show it, it can often eat at you. Often one bad statement can erase tens or even hundreds of good ones. It's a sad thing, but for many people it's easier to believe the bad than the good especially when it's all you heard as a child.

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 11:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In a way I think Rupert is using it to his advantage now with the tv, he is appealing to a wide group of tv viewers who feel as if he does, of course this means I would be reading Ruperts mind...

I have to add Maris KUDOS to you and your ds!! My son has ups and downs, he is hard of hearing, and when it comes to survival, he does his best, but unfortunately he "thinks" he hears something, and responds, and often it is so off the wall, that it adds fuel to the fire. So he has learned to ignore it. He lives a very lonely existance, or did in high school. He was severely abused, imho. I never found out the extent until it was over (change of schools) he stood up to the bullies himself, but no child should have to have lit matches thrown at him, his property thrown out windows, have bodily harm (thrown in garbage cans, food thrown at him etc) on a daily basis. It must wear down even the most self assured kid.

The one thing I pray is he learned something to make him a better teacher, adult. He's in college now, and his self confidence seems strong he loves school. But his history is his history, and I dont know how he got thru it. It breaks my heart that I wasnt there to help, that no adults were there for him.

When those same kids began picking on another 'one of their own' as is inevivatlbe with bullies - HE DEFENDED the poor kid!! It shook up one of the kids on the fringe so bad, he came forward and asked me why my ds would help the kid - I had to smile, doesnt that say something to 'character'? and maybe if it help you to question, maybe ds made a difference and changed you, and helped you...

We can never know...

Jami
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10-08-2003

Monday, February 02, 2004 - 5:12 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Also we have to remember that what we see Rupert talk about has been because he was asked about it by the camera man, or whoever does the interviewing. And whoever decides on these things is playing up the "I don't fit in" angle. In real life, or if not asked about it, Rupert may rarely bring this up.

Caycaye
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09-14-2001

Monday, February 02, 2004 - 6:31 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Faerygdds...I TOTALLY agree with everything you are saying. I feel total empathy toward Rupert, and find him much more positive this time around, and a lot more confident. He seems to have learned a lot from the last Survivor and is taking a much more calm approach to this game. However, he cannot help but state the obvious when questioned. YES, he is the outsider and the newcomer, and YES that will be his hurdle to over come. No whining....just facts.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Monday, February 02, 2004 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rupert has a different kind of personality. Either you love him or hate him. From what we've been shown on the show Rupert is being very quiet. Jenna seems to have taken to him as has Rudy. At this stage of the game the team needs strong men with endurance...Rupert will last longer than the weaker contestants. Rudy looks like he may need a pity voteoff...he seems so frail looking (but it could be an act to throw others off balance and underestimate him)
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I am so glad I am not having to sit thru another "Rupert Show". I got soooooooo tired of that last season ;-((

Pantageas
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02-05-2003

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 2:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris - I'm with you. Kids lack the maturity and emotional development to deal with their "isolation". Rupert, on the other hand, is a grown-man with a lovely wife/family and a rewarding job. But he constantly mopes that he's not one of the "cool kids". Get over yourself!

Don't get me wrong. I like Rupert. But just like we all have the friend who is always complaining about being too fat, too thin, too ugly, too rich, too poor, etc. who needs a good kick in the pants sometimes, Rupert is another that needs to be added to that list.

That being said, am I the only one who LOVES that they are starting with 3 tribes? Guess what people...no 'Pagonging'!!

Faerygdds
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08-29-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 3:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That just means we have to learn a whole new term at the merger.... wonder what they'll call it THIS time???

Landi
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07-29-2002

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 5:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i relate to rupert. maybe it's why i love him like i do, and am rooting for him to win.

i was one of those kids that was picked on and picked on (they would even follow me home from school taunting me), not because i was fat or ugly, but because i was too smart, and i developed before other girls, and all sorts of things. and still to this day i feel unliked about so many things. i worried about meeting my very first tvch'er just for that fact. i was wondering "would they hate my hair? or my skin? or think i was too fat? or that i talked too much" if someone doesn't like me i always wonder if it was because of how i was dressed or if i said something wrong. thank you juju so much for making me feel very, very comfortable around you.

i'm glad that we have so many positive people here, but i know what it's like when you aren't so positive in your life. i try every day to have the glass half full, not half empty. but i still remember what it was like not to be a "cool kid", and to be the loner.


Seamonkey
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09-07-2000

Tuesday, February 03, 2004 - 11:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I thnk I hear more whining ABOUT Rupert than FROM Rupert...

Kimmykm
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08-26-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I couldn't agree more, Seamonkey!

Spunky
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10-08-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Someone should tell Rupert : "It's you the reason we have an All Star Survivor..."

that should make him feel better...and it's true.

Fruitbat
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08-07-2000

Sunday, February 08, 2004 - 8:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jami, I agree. Their diary talks are in response to questions. Rupert is doing very well. And Seamonkey, good point.