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Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 10:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
At this late stage of the season, I think we all USUALLY sit with bated breath waiting to see who is going and who is staying.

This ALLSTAR season is different. Everything seems so predictable. At this time Rupert, Jenna, Rob, Amber and Big Tom all seem to be battling for final four. It strikes me though.......WHO has EARNED a chance at the final prize? WHO has truly played the game?




Magicjet
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09-25-2003

Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 11:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rob has truly played the game. He understands it is "SURVIVOR" Interesting word, no? Rupert deserves it too but not as much because he cannot apparently grasp the idea that Rob needs to go. This is Tom's problem also. Jenna does not deserve it because of her snarky attitude toward Shiann and others- go sit by Aicia, jenna. Amber as far as I know, has done nothing but keep Rob happy. This is kind of a time honored Bunny Ranch approach used for centuries by women but it may work in the end, she still does not deserve it.

Elle
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08-29-2000

Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 11:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i believe boston rob has TRULY played the game and has earned the $$$. but if rob is in the f2 i believe lex, being the sore loser he is, will poison the jury pool (if the outcasts are all staying in the same place) against rob.

BUT, if there's a BIG TWIST in the end of the show and all the ASS kicked off the island get to vote - then if rob is in the f2, imo, he should win. i hope, i hope, i hope!!!


Magicjet
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09-25-2003

Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 11:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
PS the differance between Rob and Jenna is that Jenna is petty in her snarking and usually reserving her jabs for just the women like Shiann. Rob came in the game more or less warning he would take no prisoners and could not be trusted too far, much like Will in BB 2. Jenna was just petty for no reason. Imo

Jami
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10-08-2003

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 4:36 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't like Rob, but he has really played the game. So I guess I'd have to say that he deserves to win.

I am still wanting to see Rupert pull put all the stops and show what he can do and win. I don't understand at all why someone,,, anyone hasn't turned on Rob. Makes no sense to me.

I really really don't want to see Jenna or Amber win. In my opinion they haven't done anything to deserve it.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 4:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
well...if I HAVE to choose between Rawb or AMbuh I'd have to choose ....AMbuh....and believe it or not, my reasons have nothing to do with Rob's immature behavior.

1. Rob played the game, but he played by making alliances with just about EVERYONE, and now has to backstab just about EVERYONE to get to the final two. He ruled the camp but wasn't careful to do it covertly. He doesn't seem to grasp that the people in the jury have to either like him or dislike the person he's going against more than they dislike him. Rob is not playing a smart game.

2. On the other hand, Amber made one solid alliance and then allowed Rob to take the heat for the decision making. Riding coat tails or strategic thinking? I think Shi-An was right, Amber is the smart one in that alliance. I don't think she just rode coat tails because she has actively been keeping Rob as her "shield", which has allowed her to advance in the game. She promoted Rob's role as leader, knowing that when things get dirty its usually the leaders who carry the blame. Even when she made a so called alliance with Lex and Kathy...she made it sound like Rob had the final say. This helped to make Rob responsible when the alliance went south. She has made no enemies... nor has she broken any promises or alliances. I think Amber understands that the object of the game is to get to the final two with the least amount of enemies on the jury.

The only thing the two of them have in common is the fact that the only reason they are still here is because everyone else is too doggone lazy to actually play this game. But of the Rob and Amber alliance, I think Amber has played a "smarter" game.


Crossfire
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08-07-2001

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 5:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If it were up to me to award as an outsider, I'd give it to either Rob or Amber based on the fact that they have somehow bamboozled the others into letting them sit around as an obvious power of two all allow.

This is just my personal bias, but I'd do more than is apparent by the minimal amount of material being show to us each week to break that up, so I see the others as not playing intelligently.

This isn't completely fair (again, because it could all be editing) but I'm not thrilled with Jenna at the moment.

Rupert is somewhat worthy, but he has made his own share of mistakes this time around, but seems powerless.

Big tom I feel sorry for at the moment.

I don't know, glad it's not my decision to make. Just sitting back studying the relationships. Wish I had more to work with.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 6:01 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't care for Rob, but I think he should win just based on the ridiculous gameplay of everyone else around him. He should have been gone a long time ago, and now he's just about in that Will Kirby catbird seat of everyone WANTING him in the final two because he's the only one they can be 'sure' of beating. Get rid of Rob and it's anyone's game, but I don't see that happening. And he WILL take Amber to the final 2 because she's almost as despised as he is. I don't want to see her win because she had the best set of funbags and was able to parlay them into a coattail-ride to the top.

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 6:32 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't know if Amber is despised. No one seems to have a problem with her. Then, they don't seem to have any problem with Rob until they're gone either. It's amazing that not one person has tried to stand up against the Rob/Amber alliance. Not one. Not really anyway. Any suggestion that's made seems to be a fleeting thought. Hopefully now that it's just the remaining alliance left, they might start realizing things as they have to vote each other now.

When Shii-Ann pointed out that there's the Rob/Amber alliance and the Rupert/Jenna alliance i had to kind of laugh because I don't see Rupert and Jenna as a really strong allaince. I see them more as an alliance of circumstance/convienience since they came to the tribe together. Jenna would turn on him in a second and I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same to her in favor of rob at this point in the game.

Cassie
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07-15-2000

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 6:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Elle Good post and I totally agree with you about Lex doing his utmost to poison the jury against Rob. Wow, what a bad loser he is. First, he comes on the jury the first two weeks looking like the really bad guy from "The Last of the Mohicans." His scowling face and body language spoke volumes about his emotional state and ego. Then last week, when ShiiAnn won immunity, he was just downright gleeful--literally grinning from ear to ear and just about slapping his knee in joy. You better believe that this guy will do his utmost to poison the jury against Rob. He has to. It'll be the only way, albeit limp, that he can try to save some face. After all, the whole country saw how he played the most stupid and worst game of Survivor ever. He has been the worst loser in the history of the game as well (remember Africa when he learned someone had cast ONE vote for him--he had a total coniption fit). So what's left for someone like Lex except to exact some revenge. I must say though, his entrance with the jury has become the highlight of the show for us. We just crack up laughing, he acts (and looks) so absurd.

Starshine40
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07-30-2002

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with pretty much all that has been said. Rob and Amber have both been "playing" the game, just in different ways as was pointed out. Rupert, Jenna and Tom all expect Rob to take them along to the final 3....but that's all they seem to be expecting. How do any of them think they will go on to be the winner from that point on? So, my bet is on Rob and Amber for final 2 and I think Amber will win based on having made less enemies.

Needmylifeback
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08-14-2000

Friday, April 30, 2004 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I deserve the million...I watched it week to week! LOL!

Azriel
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08-01-2000

Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't want Amber to win. I think all she's done is ride the gravy train to the top. Anyone, but Amber, and I'll be happy with my ASS experience.

Sunshyne4u
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06-17-2003

Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 11:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It strikes me that in other seasons there has been a number of strong players 'of the game' not just ONE.

Lex kinda played, sorta. His downfall, like so many others in this season, was related to knowing these people BEFORE the game started.

Other than Lex, Robfather seems to be the only other Powerplayer in this season.

Amber is playing the powerplayer so that is not direct 'power' simply secondarily obtained. If Rob was gone the third week Amber would have been following shortly, no doubt in my mind.
*****
Seems to me that once again we should all blame CASTING! They threw a bunch of sheep in with two wolves (metaphorically speaking) Crafty sheep, vocal sheep but sheep ne'er the less ;-(


Pamy
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01-02-2002

Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 12:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree, anyone but Amber can win and I will be happy...I love Rupert but don't feel he played the game as well as Rob..although I think his editing isn't as good as it was last time.

Starfire
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02-12-2003

Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 3:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't care for Rob but he deserves to win.

Kappy
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06-29-2002

Saturday, May 01, 2004 - 7:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have to disagree that if Rob loses, it will only be because of poor loser Lex and his mind meld on the others. Rob cooked his own goose by lying to too many people and then stabbing them in the back. Look at how Big Tom took it at the when he first realized that Rob had made the same deal with Rupert that he made with him. Lex doesn't have to say a word for these people to see Rob for what he is.

Rob is going to lose because of Rob. I suggest he marry Amber ahead of time and without a prenup because that's the only way he's going to see any of the million.

Costacat
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07-15-2000

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 8:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think ANYONE "deserves" to win. On a purely moral basis, I think Rob deserves to win LEAST because of the lies and backstabbing and completely unnecessary snarky comments. I don't like the totally uncalled for comments he makes (the way he completely disrespected Rupert still rankles). Amber is right up there as a no win... she's not done anything but cling to Rob this entire time. Jenna just annoys the hell out of me (could she be any more critical? and uh, hon? people in glass houses and all that...). Tom... I don't know if Tom is playing the game or not. I can't understand a word he says. But I think he thinks that Rob is gonna take him to the end, and I think that's NOT playing the game at all. Rupert? I like him the best, but I'm not sure he's playing the game either. I said this way back in the beginning... I think he's at a disadvantage because of the short amount of time he had between Panamanian visits. I also think he's at a disadvantage since he hasn't partied as much with these folks as some of them have (you know, the charity party circuit where they all hang out together?). He was only a Survivor castmate for what? Three months? Not enough time to really set bonds with anyone on any other show.

Personally, this has been a boring season. I watch the show, desultorily because I think I should, but not because I enjoy it. I don't like the "one man show" going on with Rob, and I don't think the fact these folks were all chummy helped the show any. There's a serious bully factor that I think Rob is working (can you say intimidation?), and I think that smacks of poor sportsmanship. Winning at any cost is just not winning, and the end game doesn't always justify the means.

And considering these are supposed to be all stars, the fact that people just bailed out of the game is disappointing.

I guess really no one on this edition was anyone I was really rooting for. I think the casting sucked (and I do know they'd asked people to appear and were declined). There were plenty of personalities and players from which to choose, but they chose the "hot chicks". I mean, Amber and Jerri were all stars? I think not. I also think that including previous winners was stupid... they should've either all be winners and first runners up, or none.

ETA: I think the jury is not allowed to fraternize, so that there is no way Lex could "poison" the pool. However, if he somehow is able to do so, and Rob doesn't win that million bux, I'd say that Lex totally outsmarted and outwitted Rob. Deservedly so!

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, I think for those of us who are watching, only out of a sense of duty now because any joy went out of the game weeks and weeks ago...it just goes to prove...you CAN'T go home again.

Yes, we enjoyed many of the players, the first time around in their own seasons but putting them together was not a good idea. I believe including the million dollar winners was a waste of spots for others...surely they realized they'd be the first voted off?

Rob...I dunno...on the one hand the guy is talented...he built their home for them and ran the beams like a monkey but hey, that's his forté...construction.

He's strong in challenges too but...I too would hate to see someone who lied to and backstabbed other players to win.

At times he seems fairly likeable...if he'd only used his powers for good instead of evil! lol ;) If he'd played a straight game...no underhandedness, I might have been pleased to see him win but not now.

Rupert is the only other player besides Rob who I think is actually playing the game. He's a provider but he's trying to remain in the background, not rocking the boat, so others will be voted off first. If he can hit a run of IC wins, as did Colby in Australia, it might see him through.

Tom, Jenna & Amber...I've racked my brains and other than just staying in Rob's good graces...why aren't they gone?

(Yeah, I know..Amber is Rob's blankie)

Shewho
Member

10-06-2003

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rupertbear: Good points about not being able to go home again.

No past winners should have been in this game. Personally I would have enjoyed the almost winners, like second place folks and the survivors who made it to the final three or four
to be the teams in an ASS.

Either the rules should be that there are no holds barred on honesty, dirty tricks etc. or
that each person is on their own...no allianaces
and compete by their own wits and win using their own skills. The sixty four thousand dollar question is could this ever happen?

As much as I have enjoyed the Survivor Games, it seems time for some type of radical change in how the game is played. The format has remained constant among the contestants in making one or more alliances immediately and then just flying below the radar for as long as they could.

Wouldn't it be refreshing to see some real competition and the game played in a good sportsmanlike manner. Playing it that way might be a cliff hanger.

Guess I am pretty old fashioned, but it does disturb me to see all these programs where dirty tricks help a person win, and sportsmanship is something unknown or not cared about.

The best thing about this ASS game is being able to converse with the folks who particpate regularly on Survivor board. I really do enjoy your ideas and it helps this conservative person to think outside the box.

I hope we can all gather again in the fall for the next Survivor game.

Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 1:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree that no past winners should have been asked back - but Survivor All Stars would have needed to have been renamed Survivor 2nd Chance or something like that. I would like to see a Survivor 2nd Chance show & have CBS do a pre survey on the internet that lists all past participants & have fans vote in order their idea of the 16 or 18 fav's & ask those folks to participate (surely all of the "top" 16 or 18 wouldn't accept so they could just start asking other prev. contestants in order of how they came out in the pole). Some of the current All Stars would not have gotten this chance IMO this time had CBS done something like this.

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<<Wouldn't it be refreshing to see some real competition and the game played in a good sportsmanlike manner. Playing it that way might be a cliff hanger.>>

Yes, Shewho...I agree completely. I think that's why this go-'round of Survivor has turned out to be such a bore.

That would be a great idea Deb...assembling the players according to fan input and there are sop many stalwart fans on the internet.

Then, we'd have no-one but ourselves to blame if the line up sucked! lol ;)




Texasdeb
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05-23-2003

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 3:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yep Rupertbear, then we could all cast blame on each other for "putting" people in there undeserving. I ?'d why some got there this time: Shi Anne - well, the drama she could cause (of course). Jerri & Jenna - lookers with mouths. BostonRob - A$$hole the 1st time but of all the pre A22holes, prob. the best choice. Rupert/Tom - good ole boys. Amber - Pretty & doesn't seem to have her own game plan (yes, they prob. felt at least one of these were needed). Alicia - bring on the athletic female! Lex/Kathy - "robbed" past contestants scourned! I see how/why the producers came up with this cast. I would just like a different approach if they do a "bring back" show again.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 4:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes...maybe let people nominate 2-3 players from each season and see what they come up with OR the top players as you mentioned would be good also.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 6:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
let's do a survivor with the first 2 voted out of each of the 'regular' seasons. none of them really got to play the game very long. it might make for an interesting 'new' game.

i really don't care for rob at all, but if the others are stupid enough to let him win, i guess he should win.
the only winner i really ever thought 'deserved to win' was sandra. otherwise, i've been pretty disappointed with the winners! i still can't figure out how jenna m won over hardworking matt!