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Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 4:36 am
Are we sure that there will be a final 2 and not a final 3 this time. Maybe that is the big finale surprise.The jury has 3 people to choose from. It would only work if there is no chance of a tie.
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Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 4:45 am
....or all 4 compete for F2. No winner chooses his competition.
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Chief1
Member
08-18-2003
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 4:55 am
Pam, Cay, Sun ... Add my John Hancock, too. If this were a petition to get Rob kicked off the show, the list would be a mile long right now. In the past season, I never saw what was so great about Rupert. This season, I've been paying more attention. Of the final 4, I would rather see Rupert win over the others. Although Rob has played well, he really appears to be extremely arrogant and self-absorbed. Once his goal is attained to get someone out, he hasn't been able to keep himself from gloating and twisting the knife even further! Cay said it best about Rob enjoying being mean-spirited! Let's hope this "surprise" is something the majority of fans would appreciate (and not something stupid, like Sue getting a makeover)!
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Ketchuplover
Member
08-30-2000
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 4:56 am
hmmmmmmm
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 6:35 am
I had said a long time ago that since they started with more players that the jury would vote a winner out of the final 4...but I really thought JP said in the last interview the 'surprise' or 'reveal' as he put it, happens at the reunion If I had to vote for a winner out of the final 4, I love Rupert but would prolly vote for Rob, even though he has been mean, he really played the best..plus I think he is so sexy
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 6:43 am
Ok question for the Rob haters. (Qualified by saying yes I enjoy him, would like him to win, but don't like his lies). Of all of them left, who hasn't lied? Who hasn't betrayed others. I will ask AGAIN why is no one mentioning the fact that Big Tom FIRST went to stab Rob in the back. He just happened to overhear it and come up with a strategy to diffuse it. Rupert, who I adored last Survivor and thought would be a fav of mine here has been nothing but grumpy and dour to watch this round. Dunno what happened to fun Rupert, but I haven't enjoyed this version one bit. He and Jenna do little but complain about others, yet just cruise along. He built that stupid underground shelter and bossed folks like they were peons, while Rob worked like a dog and built his team a castle (AND a swing lol). Amber has worked hard at the challenges but her stragegy is to fly under Rob's wing and bank on the mil coming from folks rather her having it then her. Now if the 3 rules of the game are to Outplay, Outwit, and Outlast everyone else, who has honestly met the criteria? IMHO it's Rob by far. So he's arrogant...I still attribute that to both game face and youthful bravado. He's been fun to watch. I wish he played with more integrity, but heck he did that once and lost. I was thinking about why this Survivor has been SO damn mean accross the board and I think it comes from folks who think they played nicer and better than others in the past and lost and want to do it differently this time. So I hope somehow Rob takes it all. I really think he has played the best and hardest and deserves it more than the others. I then hope he sees the show and takes a long, hard look at some of his actions, specifically with Kathy and Lex, and learns and grows from the experience.
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Elle
Member
08-29-2000
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 6:45 am
Caycaye, I just saw BT on the early show and they showed the clip of Rob putting down BT's son. It made me sick. I truely hate that part of Rob. I'm sure if Rob is in the F2 the jury will have lots to say to Rob about his lack of respect of people and even more so at the reunion show. But I believe there is a good side to Rob or probably I'm a sucker for a good looking guy.... I'm having a hard time finding a reason for why Rob and Ambuh voted BT out???
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 6:45 am
PS you Final 3 or 4 believers might be on to something cause I thought I remember reading a number recently that was different from final 2...think it might have been from Jeff Probst. Caught my eye, but was in a rush and didn't save it.
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Lurknomore
Member
07-07-2001
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 6:52 am
Elle I didn't get it last nite at all either...but I think they saw him as the one they would have the hardest time going up against at the end (think that is more true about Rupert, but I think their perception is that BT is loved by all). Where I think Rob dropped the game playing ball is by not saying things like last nite to BT like, "you were with us all the way till I overheard you betraying me. Now I don't know what to believe". I don't think he did that because he didn't want to make Amber more vulnerable, but it would have been smarter. I tell ya ShiiAnne was the only one sharp enough to see what was going on. Too bad she wasn't smart enough to play the game better and make some better alliances.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 8:18 am
i am so surprised that rupert and tom didn't get down to it and ask, "is this something rob told you about me? because he told me THIS about YOU....." and figure out it was rob who was the 'bad guy' in this. rob gloating in the background made me...well, can't say it, but i wasn't pleased with him. i just wish the guys had thought to confront rob and blame him for the confrontation.
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Cillysue2
Member
05-02-2003
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 9:07 am
Has anyone read the book or seen the movie by Stephen King - "NEEDFUL THINGS"? Rob reminds me of this book. I vote for Rupert and Jenna. Even though Jenna has been mouthy. I would put up with mouthy before mean spirits. I feel that Amber is just floating along in the Rob's wake. Everyone in the game lies, that is part of the game. But to say mean and cruel things about the way people talk or about their family is mean. Has Rob ever listened to himself speak? Shame on Rob and for this he should not win.
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Luvmyjrt
Member
09-18-2003
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 9:26 am
I think the vote against BT was actually pretty smart by Jenna and Rupert. My guess is that two alliances of two will lead to a F2 of one from each alliance; if that's the case, whoever from the Rupert/Jenna alliance in the F2 would win the million. JMHO
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 9:28 am
Lurk...We "Rob haters" as it were are not condeming Rob for lying or playing the game. Its his petty mean pot shots he takes at the other tribe members that we don't care for. I can't for the life of me, see how making fun of Rupert to Tom or ridiculing Tom's son behind his back is "playing the game". I also believe its an insult to today's youth to attribute Rob's mean spiritedness to "youthful bravado", and if I were a youth of today I would be highly offended. Rob is a grown man, not a child. I believe most young adults would be appalled by Rob's behavior.
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Tabbyking
Member
03-11-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 9:41 am
if rob just were playing a good game it would be one thing; but he gloats and smirks and puts other people down when he doesn't need to. smart is one thing, smart-ass is totally different, IMO. i don't 'hate' rob, i just don't think he is showing us a very nice person. you can be competitive without being mean-spirited. can rob do well in challenges? you bet. but he sure seems to lie around and stuff his belly to get strong for those challenges. his work habits are just like his last go-round on survivor--basically he is lazy. if i were voting at the end, i would look at all-around helpfulness and attitude more than someone who just won a majority of the challenges. can't wait to see what happens sunday! oh yeah, what was with amber and rob splitting the candy 5 ways when they just stuffed their guts? it put me in mind of the infamous "neleh and the halfsucked mint"....LOL
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Mybbusername
Member
08-22-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 9:58 am
Cillysue- it is way too weird that you should say that about Needful Things. I started thinking that a few weeks ago and last weekend even started re-reading the book just because of how much Robs strategy reminded me of the book... Turn everyone against each and they will destroy one another while you stand by and watch. I might have to post about this in the weird story thread...
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 9:58 am
Actually I think Rob and Amber were worse than Neleh. She didn't have a choice about bringing food back--it wasn't allowed that particular reward challenge. Rob and Amber could bring back food to share, and while they did bring it back, they still kept part of it after stuffing their faces. That's pretty pathetic. I agree about Rob and looking at not how he plays the game, but the way he acts on topics outside of the game. Calling Tom's son stupid has nothing to do with the game. All of his condescending comments about the others and the name calling have nothing to do with the game. If the others treated him the way he's being toward them, he'd have a shit-fit. I don't agree that you have to lie to play the game--I do agree it's allowed. I think what bothers me the most is that truth and honesty don't typically win the games. Lying wins.
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Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:04 am
*giggles at Lance's use of the s-word....tries to muster up indignant look...fails miserably...collapses into laughter*
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:07 am
Rob may have built a hut for them and done a much better job than Rupert but then again, that is his forté. Other than that accomplishment, I have never seen any evidence of him gathering firewood, water, food, fish, cooking and the list goes on & on. Same for Amber. The two of them appear to lounge around, conserving strength for the challenges, quite content to watch others handle the mundane chores. Rob & Amber are mid-20s, Rupert is 40. No he doesn't have the agility or fleetness of foot they do but if the challenge was a strength one, he'd kick their heineys back to Boston. I don't see Rupert as grumpy. Many of the players have spoken quite well of him, post game. He has acquitted himself admirably in this game considering he played two almost back to back. To me, lying, backstabbing, discarding people when they are of no further use to you in the game, when you made a promise...I cannot get past that aspect of Rob's so-called brilliant game playing. We all have our own criteria of what constitutes a good player and Rob is everything one should not be. To me, going as low as you can, JUST to win a game is not commendable and should not be rewarded. And I think many overlook all of this because of his 'good looks'. I don't see them myself but nasty character traits are often over looked or forgiven in people deemed attractive. I also see Rob as extremely mean-spirited and Amber is an opportunist. They each have won a vehicle now. I hope it is ALL they win.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:25 am
Rupertbaer, I think you make a point about Rupert that may explain at least to some degree why he hasn't been as much of a force as in his first effort. They were indeed virtually back to back. I challenge anyone of them to do that and be as tough in the second one as the first. About Rob and being mean-spirited--the others don't see it, since he does it for the cameras. He did it in the first one he was in though--they should be aware that is the way he is. Rob seems to think that anyone left in the game is only there because he allowed it. That takes away from anything the other person has actually done in the game. He's good, but he's not that good.
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Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:36 am
Yes, Lance...you're right Rob does consider this 'his' game and he is pulling all the strings but he has forgotten, there comes a time when the puppetmaster will have to pay the piper. Judging from the jury's reaction last night...even if he is F2, there's not much of a chance he'll win, anyway. I call that "just desserts". p.s I like the way you spelt 'baer', very cool like Max Baer, lol.
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Niceguy
Member
03-16-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 10:49 am
Pamy, Tom got what he deserved. He's a galoot, I'm sorry but he almost begs people to exploit him. Rupert has a soft heart but he wary of the Robfathers of this world, and for good reason.
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Guinevere
Member
03-15-2001
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 11:42 am
>Everyone in the game lies, that is part of the game. But to say mean and cruel things about the way people talk or about their family is mean. Has Rob ever listened to himself speak? Shame on Rob and for this he should not win.< But the point of the game is "Outwit, Outlast, Outplay", not "Be nice". I understand not WANTING someone to win because you find them unlikable - I felt that way about Jenna Morasca (I also didn't think much of her gameplay), among others. But to say someone doesn't DESERVE to win because they are mean - I don't get that. The only level on which I can agree is that if you have alienated jurors by your meanness, then it doesn't matter if you played well in other ways. Rob may have alienated the jury with his lying, but most people here seem to agree that lying is okay, if not admirable, in the context of the game. Most, if not all of Rob's mean comments have been in interviews, and since the jury votes before leaving the island, that shouldn't effect their votes. So I can't agree that Rob doesn't deserve to win based on his nasty comments. If the jury votes against him, it will be most likely be sour grapes from people who were badly outplayed.
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Way2prissy
Member
07-21-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 11:55 am
Why was Big Tom voted out? Because he asserted himself as the "swing vote" and I'm sure Rob and Amber felt they could not trust him once he said that. Also, I think Rupert has been laying low this game. It looked like he intentionally lost the truck challenge last night. Rupert hasn't let on that he is a huge physical threat to Rob. I think letting Rob win some of the challenges has made him arrogant and weak! I hope Rupert brings him down in the finale--Rupert appeared pretty quiet at the last Survivor Finale. Like he had a secret... <nd>
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Jkm
Member
07-10-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 12:30 pm
Wow - I forgot about that -- He came right from All-Stars to the finale show for Peal Islands -- Was All Stars done filming yet or did he come back for the day then back to All Stars?? Was he around at the after parties?? That must have been a truely weird experience -- play two rounds of survivor --THEN go to the finale show for the first round - keeping the second round completely quiet..... Must have been hard on him.
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Landi
Member
07-29-2002
| Friday, May 07, 2004 - 12:50 pm
all stars was over just 2 days from the finale of Pearl Islands. also, rupert did something to his teeth in allstars. remember this??? so i have a feeling, rupert is FINAL 2! rupert was at the PI after parties, and has been home since.
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