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Cassie
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 9:06 pm
Chieko I feel the same as you do about Jenna being there in the first place. I don't think it's a nasty attitude--you're just saying what you think. I can't imagine why she wanted to go in the first place when her mother was so ill. 
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Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 9:23 pm
Jenna's mom has been seriously ill for 10 years. Anyone here who has known someone who's seriously sick knows sometimes things are better, and sometimes they are worse. Sometimes things will get suddenly worse very quickly and unexpectedly after things seem to be going fairly well. This stuff isn't all that predictable. Jenna is 22 years old. If she lived by the rules some have laid out for her she would have never once left her home town for any length of time for 10 years. I don't think that's a reasonable expectation of any person. Her responsibility is to know and understand what is going on in her own family and make her own decisions. No one but her and her immediate family gets to make those decisions. If I was terribly sick for 10 years, I would feel terrible if my child never took any opportunities to challange themselves, make money for themselves, educate themselves, or experience life for themselves for ten straight years because they never went more than a few hours or days from my side. Even if that meant there was a chance they wouldn't be at my bedside when I died. I would feel horribly selfish to ask that of someone, especially my child. Jenna actually did an amazing job making those decisions. Going and staying in the Amazon was correct - her mom was fine while she was gone. Going home mid-way throuh All-Stars was also correct. She was there for her mom's passing. I hope everyone here is this lucky in their decisions on these sorts of matters. They can eat at your gut for a lifetime.
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Webkitty
Member
07-24-2001
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 9:24 pm
The show is over here and I'm still teary. I think I was Jenna's only supporter on this board during the Amazon season. Chillone said in his book that when he finally got to meet her she teased him that Mark Burnett had to change his original editing to hide her win. It has been rumored that MB originally meant to edit her as America's sweetheart winner. I thought everyone who spouted off at the IC should have kept their opinions of what THEY would do to themselves and supported her. Especially Alicia. It was inappropriate for that moment in time. I was most impressed with Amber and it showed she had empathy and a kind heart. (Amber is another one who gets unfair bashing around the internet imo.) I also thought it was thoughtless of Kathy to try and get Jenna to stay earlier 'for the team'. Anyway, it was an emotional end to a great episode. I enjoyed the easy going interaction between Lex and Colby and I hope they stick around for awhile. I loved the whole Richard and the shark thing. I was hooked on Survivor the very first episode of the first season and imo, Survivor would not have taken off like it did without Richard. Yes, his blury body parts are distracting but he still gives some soundbite gems. And he caught a shark with his bare hands! And when it bit him, he BIT IT BACK! Lol, only Richard....... I would say Rupert is not getting good editing this time around, but he really brought that whole fiasco on himself. One last comment. Could the closeups have BEEN any closer this episode? Anyone else notice that? What was up with that? lol.
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Upstate
Member
01-16-2004
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 9:39 pm
i can not judge jenna on her decision to go compete in the all star survivor nor will i judge her decision to leave. for me a family illness and the death of a family member is very personal. i feel jenna's decisions are between herself, her family and her god.
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Costacat
Member
07-15-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 9:58 pm
Remember that MB actually asked a couple of others to appear, and THEY DECLINED!!!! So I have no pity for Jenna having to leave mid-game. She played the pity card several times during her first stint on Survivor. If she was that concerned, she had no business flying halfway around the world (or however far it was), playing half a game with her tribe (to their detriment), and then bailing. I'm glad she made it home in time... that's all.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:22 pm
Chieko, I'm with you. And I don't think it's fair to judge the others as to how they reacted considering that they were blindsided by the news to begin with and then put on the spot by JP. Even Kathy had the same immediate reaction as Alisha when she first found out. That doesn't mean they didn't feel sympathy for her or want to offer comfort. They were just honestly wondering why someone who had already won a million dollars would think it was worth it to leave her mother yet again. I think Tom was actually quite emotional and what he was trying to express just did not quite come out the right way. But again, not everyone expresses themselves well when they're blindsided like that.
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Kappy
Member
06-29-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:26 pm
Also want to add that I loved the shark bite fight! I loved seeing Lex again and am not surprised that he and Colby are getting along so well.
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Magicjet
Member
09-25-2003
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:33 pm
Just a few thoughts on your thoughts. Chi, I think you raised some valid points, ones that I was not aware of before. Gina, you raised valid points about the women too. However Gina, i think it was more how Jenna Lewis expressed her feelings than what she was actually saying. I agreed with her about the winners, I just didn't care for her snarky behavior the same way I don't like Alica's snarky behavior. Also to the poster who said he/she would not judge Jenna M, I commend you. It's just a hard call and one I hope none of us has to make anytime soon and to those of you who have, my condolences
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:34 pm
Won a million AND another huge hunk of money from Playboy.. I don't question her second thoughts shown tonight.. They all have a right to have an opinion and they were asked for their opinions. And of course she will be judged.. just as some are judging people daring to have an opinion here. ETA.. Richard and the shark.. charming and quite entertaining Rob certainly came through building the house. Good for him!
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Dee
Member
08-08-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:36 pm
Well, the show just ended here on the West Coast and I'm bawling like a baby. I think the music is what put me over the top... it kind of reminded me of some of the music in "Titanic". Very eerie, haunting music. My heart goes out for Jenna. Whether she was "right" or "wrong" for participating in Survivor, the important thing is she was able to make it back before her Mom died.
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Pamy
Member
01-02-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 10:40 pm
Will she be on the early show in the morning? I am glad Jenna was able to get home and spend the last days with her mom, tomarrow would have been my Mom's bday, she died in 1998 and I still miss her so much. I was never a big Jenna fan but my heart goes out to her
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Upstate
Member
01-16-2004
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:00 pm
i feel as though i should clarify myself. i am not judging the posters here. everyone has lived their own lives and have their own experiences dealing with life and death. i am coming from where my life has been. my husband is retired military. and everyday military families have to deal with leaving their own family to go be with a family member or not be able to go. that is why i just can not judge jenna's situation. our family and friends of ours faced these decisions over the years. they were not easy ones. some made decisions i would have done differently but they were their own to be made. even i made decisions along this line that i regret and would of done differently. i guess i just don't want to project my own regrets onto jenna. i wasn't trying to be superior for not judging jenna. i was just reflecting on my own life and decisions.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:04 pm
Well, I remembered tonight why I used to love Richard. He's amazing. And I love Shii-Ann--she and he make a great team. Tonight was also a good demonstration of why I dislike Rupert. He gets an idea in his head and he refuses to let it go. I pity the poor folks who have to sleep in that half-buried thing with him. But he's SUCH a provider with his itty bitty fish.... Both Robs were great and very funny. And Alicia is...so Alicia! I love her. I wanna see more of Colby, but Tom joins Ropert on my "must leave" list.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:15 pm
I just saw Gina's 7.32 post and I have to say I gree with almost all of it.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:26 pm
Well, Tom stuck to his idea and it worked great--Rupert stuck to his idea and it was wrong. That makes Jerri right, and Sue wrong. Tish, not sure why you want Tom to go if you want Rupert out because he went with his idea no matter what anyone said--and it was wrong. I don't fault anyone for saying their peace on the beach--Jeff asked them to do so. Since they pick alpha people, one would expect to hear what they would do. The only person who actually put their answer in terms of Jenna was Alicia. In the end though, Jenna has to make a choice, and use her priorities--which is exactly what she did. She said she made a mistake by going out there this time around--point to her for taking that on and not making any excuses or trying to blame anyone else for that choice. Ok, she made the choice to play, decided it was a mistake, and now made a choice to go. Of course that choice is going to impact the game--heck, every choice made by everyone out there impacts the game--some in minor ways, some in major ways. She ended up making the right choice for herself and I'm guessing her mom if she got to spend the last 8 days with her mom. I was never a Jenna M fan, although I greatly respect her for being up front, taking the responsibility on, and sticking with her guns.
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Teachmichigan
Member
07-22-2001
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:26 pm
Dee...my DH said the exact same thing...Sounded like "Titanic" music. This one had me in tears. Even though I knew from other sites that Jenna's mom had died, seeing the sequence and goodbye was heartbreaking. I didn't agree with those who used their words to judge Jenna (and say "I'd never quit"), but I'm betting most of them felt just a tad shallow when they heard that Jenna's mom had passed away. LOVED Richard and the Shark. Can you imagine the Rob w/ skateboard if HE had been bitten like that? Can you say crying and whining? (Let me just say, I am SOOO glad he is not on SAS!) Rich handled it like "no big deal" and that made me laugh. Tonight is one of the first times I really didn't like Rupert. He was much too stubborn and unwilling to listen. (Unfortunately, I think he's making me cringe because I see these traits in myself sometimes!!) Quite honestly, I'm surprised Jerri didn't say "I told you so!" (and that also changed my opinion of her slightly!) WHEW>>> between Survivor and ER, it's been a kleenex filled night!
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:34 pm
Lance, I just don't "get" Tom. That's all. But then, I didn't during Survivor Africa either. You know how you just form a "block" against certain people? I feel that way with him and anything he does--like get TV time--provikes me. Heehee On edit: I have to say Jerri was really cool tonight because she could have been as inflexible as I am used to (imagining) her being, but she was like a normal person. Who'd a thunk it?
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:46 pm
It was just so heart wrenching. It's amazing how that sixth sense sets in when you know you need to be with a loved one. When my father went into the hospital to die, I heard him call my name right before I got the call that we needed to go to the hospital to be with him. I understand that they all get to the game but sometimes they can be so harsh. I too was glad to see Jerri being cool tonight. Alicia upset me but that's her.
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Lancecrossfire
Moderator
07-13-2000
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:50 pm
I was surprised to see Jerri not do the I told you so thing--or at least if she did, they didn't show us. In this game, it seems you live and die by the sword if you go for the gusto--if you don't, them you get the "Amber who" thing. Jerri lost big time with her last approach, and it seems like she has decided to try something different. (not having a clue what she is really like away from the game). I thought Tom was decent for not giving Sue the I told you so treatment. I one the things I've come ot realize is that at the next turn a person can make a mistake--and giving the I told you so treatment only opens you up further for getting it later--because being human means making mistakes tomorrow if you didn't make one today. And in Survivor, I'm thinking everything is remembered by everyone.
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Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:58 pm
This is my first committed Survivor season, and as I said earlier, I'm rooting for Richard (& Lex & Colby).... it's nice to see that a few here are getting a bang out of Richard as well It's hard for me to understand why people (supposedly) don't enjoy watching him. And Lex seems so thoughtful... I think all of his comments are great... can't understand what's not to like. Both of them were so good too about Jenna leaving even though it will hurt them. I think they both exemplify traits of true survivors (eg, figuring out how to best cope with bug bites, biting the shark back, drinking the rainwater off the leaves etc). I love the fabulous sense of humor, spirit, and resourcefulness they bring to the game. Rupert on the other hand has always given me the willies. He strikes me as someone who would steal your shirt if you weren't looking then cry like he's the victim if he were caught. The more I watch, the more I get the impression that he is impulsive, emotionally manipulative & childish. Jerri seems a lot more sensible to me and I'm still trying to figure out why Rupert is so dramatically more popular... I will keep watching & reading!
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Caycaye
Member
09-14-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 12:50 am
OH MY GOSH!!!! Rupert actually has given his detractors some ammunition!!!! Well..Rupert is not PERFECT!! Yes, he was wrong tonight. My husband is in construction, and we both CRINGED when Rupert and Jerri starting arguing, because we KNEW Rupert was all wrong. But in all fairness to Rupert, he believes in himself and is willing to "step up to the plate" when the need arises. So does Jerri.....More power to her...But WHY did Ethan and Jenna not atleast state their agreement or disagreement with one or the other??? It's not like Rupert MADE everyone do it his way. Jerri gave in first (to her credit) and the other two never said a word. Atleast Rupert worked his rear off, and THOUGHT he was doing well...and when he realized the error of his ways...he IMMEDIATELY apologized to the group and said, "It was all my fault". Yes, he can obviously be a little bossy and impulsive. But, I still think he is a great person. His comments to Jeff about Jenna's decision, kind of disappointed me, but then I remembered, that Rupert probably had no knowledge of how sick Jenna's mom was, and also, he hadn't been privy to what we all have, by watching how miserable and vacant Jenna had been. He also had JUST been through the first Survivor where anyone ever QUIT (Osten), and Jeff and the producers made a BIG deal out of that....so Rupert's seeming hardline to Jenna was understandable. I am sure Rupert will be bending over backwards to be amenable from now on, because he is VERY hard on himself, and is probably feeling very foolish right about now. Cut him some slack...Rupert-haters...HE never said he was perfect....WE all did...
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Seamonkey
Member
09-07-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 1:40 am
Not only did Rupert probably not know Jenna M all that well, or her story, and had gone through the Osten quitting, but he also was there for the Johnny Fairplay Dead Gramma scam.. well not there but certainly heard about it from each person who joined him on the jury. Yeah, he is human. Ethan and Jenna L were happy as clams to let Jerri hang out to dry because they have no backbone and Ethan of course fears he is next to go on his tribe. I don't liken going on Survivor and being away from home for that time to someone being away from home doing their job. Maybe I'm twisted to feel that way (well I'm twisted, for sure) but it just isn't the same as being sent to Iraq or someone who cannot get a job near home and has to be away. Time will tell if Rupert learned something from being bull-headed and losing.. hopefully he will.
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Azriel
Member
08-01-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 2:05 am
Caycaye, you thought exactly as I did. WHY didn't Ethan and Jenna speak up? Rupert thought that only Jerri was opposed to his plan. If the other two hadn't been so chicken$*/! and spoken up too then I'm sure Rupert would have listened and reconsidered. Yes, he sounded like he was being overbearing, but if I had a plan and the only one that openly opposed it was Jerri, then I would have thought that the other two agreed with me and I would have said screw Jerri, too. I still remember in Africa when she insisted on building their shelter in the place where it eventually washed away. I certainly wouldn't take her 'expert' opinion on a shelter. As far as Jenna goes, noone came to her and said that her mother's condition had worsened. Although we know that in fact her mother's condition had worsened, they didn't know that. She decided all on her own that she wanted to go back and I think in that situation I would have been thinking the same thing - Why the rush to get back if she was well enough that you decided to come in the first place? I'm really glad that some inner voice told Jenna she needed to leave, but I'm not going to fault the others for not knowing that things were really as dire as they were and for wondering why the hell she ever came out there in the first place.
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Hermione69
Member
07-24-2002
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:09 am
I judged Jenna harshly enough last season, largely because as a Deaf person myself, Christy had 100% of my support and my symapthy, and we all know that things were not cool between Christy and the "pretty girl" camp. I'm not going to judge Jenna like that this time around. With that wonderful thing called hindsight, it is easier for me to see that Christy played a role herself in that relationship and that Jenna was not all at fault. I actually admired Jenna enough that last episode of S6 and wished I had seen more of that side of her during the rest of the season. Then her winning would not have been so hard for me to take. I was hoping to see that Jenna this time around. By the way, it's interesting that MB had planned to edit her as the sweetheart during S6 until Chill One "spoiled" the season, and shows how snookered we can all be by editing. I am so glad that Jenna made it home to be with her mom, and I also found it eerie how she seemed to know things were not okay. She made the right decision. As for going there in the first place, who knows what discussions, thoughts, and prayers went on before making that decision? As others have pointed out, individuals with terminal illness can linger and linger and linger. They can get inexplicably better and then take sudden turns for the worse. There is often no predicting their course. Jenna has had the shadow of her mother's cancer hanging over her for the majority of her young life. It is hardly fair to think she should hang around by her mother's bed and wait and wait and wait and wait. Her mother would not want that life for Jenna either. I didn't like JP's Q & A session on the beach either, but I think he was just trying to solicit feedback to give Jenna just to make sure that she herself was 100% certain that leaving was what she wanted to do. We all know now that her mom did die, but at the time, there was nothing to indicate her death was so imminent. I'm sure JP was thinking, what if Jenna leaves, gets back to the states and her mom is okay? Then Jenna could have ended up regretting leaving. JP had to consider that side of it as well. In the end, obviously, her decision to leave was the right one. So eerie how she seemed to know... I cried last night and I don't fault her for either the decision of coming in the first place, or going suddenly. She and her father were in my prayers last night. And as someone posted above, true Survivors roll with whatever comes along. That's part of it. Her tribe needs to handle this just as Mike Skupin's tribe in S2 needed to handle what happened to him. I think Rupert really screwed up last night, but I actually found myself feeling sorry for him instead of rushing to condemn him. He does get on my nerves, but when I saw his face after his building lost, it was like all his demons came to the surface and were visible in his eyes. I felt so bad for him. I love the whole interaction of the Mogo Mogo tribe. Chapera was awesome in the challenge. Boston Rob knew what he was doing! As soon as Sue sat back and said she wanted to see them fail, I knew she was going to be the one chagrinned because I knew Boston Rob had that construction experience. He did a great job, and I loved what Alicia did with the rocks and shells to decorate it.
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Cr8ofdata
Member
01-13-2004
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:09 am
One thing that I have noticed that no one else has said is this... Maybe Mark Burnett had something to do with Jenna being there. I am sure that Jenna signed on to be on ASS when her mother was doing better. Maybe when it got closer to going to the island she was not doing well at all and MB and his staff talked her into it. I mean - what great TV is that. Jenna is very young and could have been talked into going, then had second thoughts. I will admit that when I was reading the spoilers, I thought this whole time that is was the other Jenna - so when Jenna started talking about her mom last night - I went OH NO! I don't know what I was thinking all along! I too cried, I am an only child and have a business with my mother and can not imagine what I would do in Jenna's shoes. I wish her all the best. I am loving Lex and Colby! I really never cared for Boston Rob last time, but he has really stepped it up this season.
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