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Maris
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03-28-2002

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 4:33 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes Happy I saw that commercial a few days ago. They definitely said it was about Richard.

Bastable
Member

07-09-2002

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 7:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think poor Sue had some sexual abuse in her past and this incident just sent her over the edge in terms of revisiting it. It would bring some pretty awful memories up if that was true, and it would account for how she just shut down.

I think that Richard didn't mean for it to go as far as he did--he wanted to annoy her, maybe rattle her, but not to shatter her.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
what bastable said

Teachmichigan
Member

07-22-2001

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 8:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Gotta' agree w/ Bastable on this one, too. Even though I don't think ANY man ANY time has "permission" to act lewdly toward any woman, I really don't think Rich was purposely trying to harrass Sue...just rattle her.

I sat there tonight with my jaw on my knees....there must be something in Sue's background to cause her reaction. She has always come across as one tough lady...who won't give in for anything! Add to that they've "only" been on the island 16 days...and I wouldn't expect her to give up so easily.

However, maybe she felt as if she had to deal with the legal aspects ASAP...so she couldn't be accused of not taking the action seriously until after the show was over.

Poor Jeff...his all stars are dropping out left and right! Definitely been an unusual season!

Twiggyish
Member

08-14-2000

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 8:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with you Bastable, but it doesn't excuse Richard's behavior. He went over the line. She felt humiliated and NO ONE has the right to make anyone feel that way.

Puzzled
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08-27-2001

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 8:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Bastable, that would make sense. I've been sitting here scratching my head wondering why
she quit the game--it's so unlike her.

It was weird, too, how Jeff made no attempt to talk to her, or calm her down, and everyone on the teams just seemed to be acting as though they were on another planet.





Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 9:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree it wasnt Richard's intention. I am sure he saw Sue and thought about their past relationship and how she gave him the win. He thought he was funny, but and I mean BUT it is a classic case of men not getting it. He thinks he is being funny, he doesnt mean anything by rubbing his jewels against her. It wasn't about what he thinks it is about HER. It was unwanted and he stepped over the line, unintentionally but he stepped over the line nonetheless.

They minimized, except for Alicia, what Sue was feeling and I looked at it and wondered whether they would have treated Amber the same way. What if Richard had done it to Amber? How would Rob M and Tom have reacted.

A side item, Did anyone else besides me think they needed to do subtitles for Tom? I couldnt understand half of what that guy was saying.

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 10:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Rich meant to be offensive either- I think he was having fun and goofing around. And he wasn't there at the time Sue reacted to be able to say his part or anything, so I think that's too bad. But she has every right to feel as she does. She wasn't acting and whatever her reasons, it meant something to her. That's all that should matter. Rich wasn't (I don't think) being malicious, but that's kinda irrevelant.

And yeah, Tom definitly needs subtitles. :-)

Justalittlebean
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08-15-2003

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 10:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Rich meant to be offensive either but todays world, you just can't joke around like that. I think he used poor judgement.

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 10:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just watched it and I have to say my heart goes out to Sue.

When she started talking about what happened, he voice changed and the words she chose sounded like a child telling of a bad person sexually abusing her.

I think Sue might have been abused by a close friend or family member when she was a child.

Tonites show left a bad taste in my mouth. I did not like how they celebrated her leaving. I feel sorry for Sue having to watch the show tonite.

I am really looking forward to hearing what she has to say on the Early show

I also thought they really didn't make it that dramatic about her leaving.

Nurdreams
Member

07-23-2001

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 11:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Article from New York Post Online Edition:

HE WAS ROBBED

By MICHAEL STARR

March 4, 2004 -- WHOOPS!
Jeff Probst, the host of "Survivor: All-Stars," says he realizes now that he goofed on last week's all-important immunity challenge - and chose the wrong "winner."

"I blew another one," Probst told The Post yesterday. "Part of the rules and the contract [the contestants] sign is that during the challenges I'm the sole arbiter and final call.

"They're often judgment calls," Probst said. "This is one I just blew."

On last week's immunity challenge, members of the Mogo Mogo and Chapera tribes had to run across a long balance beam to retrieve their tribe-colored flags, tangling with each other to get to the flags.

Since this is "Survivor," where everything is more difficult, the balance beam was perched over a pool of water. The first person from either team to fall off and hit the water was the loser.

In the end, it boiled down to the Chapera tribe's Rob Mariano facing off against Mogo Mogo tribe's Colby Donaldson.



Rob and Colby grappled for their flags and tumbled into the water together in a big blur. With the naked eye, it appeared that Colby hit the water first.

Probst, perched on a judging seat several feet away, ruled in Rob's favor.

But a frame-by-frame analysis reveals that Rob's foot actually hit the water a split second before Colby's arm.

"I remember Rob looking up at me on that one [in disbelief]," Probst said. "I hate water challenges like that because when you're watching it, and a guy's body hits the water and makes a huge splash with the other guy right behind him, you can't see it without six angles," Probst said.

"I might be influenced if they didn't moan about every single call and look at me like I blew it every time.

"The next time I play poker with [Colby] Donaldson he needs to be reminded to ease up a bit," Probst joked.

But maybe, despite the gaffe, Probst actually did some fans of "Survivor" a huge favor.

With Chapera winning the immunity challenge, that meant that big, naked Richard Hatch from the Mogo Mogo tribe was voted off the island - and none-too-soon for some viewers tired of seeing him parade around in the buff.

This "All-Stars" edition, which took place in Panama, features stars from past "Survivor" shows and has averaged a robust 22.7 million viewers for CBS.

The show's live finale, followed by a live reunion show, will air Sunday, May 9 from Madison Square Garden (8-10 p.m./Ch. 2).


NY Post Online Article


Mods please fix link (done <el>)





Earthmother
Member

07-14-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 9:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Intended or not, the man needs to learn acceptable behavior. I don't know what to think of Sue's reaction to what some of us would not have considered earth shaking.

Personally I would have made sure he publicly apologized and humiliated him, but we don't know anything about Sue. Could she have been raped in the past or molested and this incident brought up feelings she couldn't control? What some see as over-reaction may indeed be some issue she has been wrestling with for years. She is not the quitter type, so there is more here than meets the eye.

Lorry
Member

07-27-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 9:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with you Earthmother. I too wondered why Sue gave up the game. I can see her being angry and even humiliated, but she gave up her game, and the money she would have gotten had she been voted out...right? Or do I have that wrong?

She might be over reacting, but maybe like you said, there is a past reason.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 9:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She had no food, she hated rice, she was miserable and was being harrassed by Tom day in and Day out. The incident with Richard happened, and we should not forget her speech which helped Richard win the million bucks. I think it is a stretch to say her behavior could be due to past abuse. The nights are long, you have nothing to do but think. So she dwelled on what Richard had done to her and she might also have been thinking about all she had done FOR him. I think she also felt betrayed by Jeff that he didnt call Richard out and seemed to minimize what Richard had done.

I think she just had enough and didnt want to compete anymore.

Mocha
Member

08-12-2001

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I read somewhere else that Sue was very reluctant to participate in the All Stars so maybe she was looking for a way out.

Naja
Member

06-28-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sorry if this is already in another thread, but they were together this morning on the CBS Early Show. It was pretty interesting. CBS put some of their appearance on their site. The link to the videos is above their pic. I think this page changes every day, so I apologize if it's not there by the time somebody gets to it.


CBS site

Buggles
Member

09-07-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sue was an outcast in her tribe and surely she was aware that her days were numbered & she wasn't going to win the million. In fact I think I can even remember her saying early on that she expected to be the first one voted out. I agree with Maris that she looked miserable & ready to leave anyway. And seeing that she admitted having considered a lawsuit at that time, I suspect she the main reason she left was to enhance her chances of winning the suit... evidence of emotional trauma, loss of the potential million dollars, etc.

Just my opinion

Sbw
Member

08-09-2000

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:29 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think the fact that Jeff brought up the incident makes it obvious that SEG thought the incident was a BIG deal. I am sure all players by this point are emotionally spent. Susan puts up a great "tough" front. I think play between Richard and Susan escalated to a point that did upset Susan. I feel the long, dark night without emotional support from a loved one made it even more difficult for her.

Jeff's actions toward Susan gave me the feeling that he understood her position. (They may have wanted her to continue but I am sure she and Jeff have had enough contact that he didn't want to see her hurt in this way.) I am happy that Richard and Susan have worked things out between them. I am sure that will give Susan more emotional support than any lawsuit could ever hope to give.

Boberg
Member

10-04-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 11:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This is just a thought but feel free to attack at will...
By playing out Survivor, Sue has a very small chance of winning the million dollars. But if she leaves now complaining about what happened to her (could she and Richard had planned something like this knowing they each had a slim to none chance of winning this Survivor?) and sues Jeff &/or CBS, &/or Survivor she has a greater chance of getting some real money, maybe even more than the winner of survivor. Maybe there is an agreement with Richard and he will secretly recieve some of Sue's judgement..

Anyone else think this could have been planned in advance (looking for an opportunity to cause and claim sexual harrassment)by Richard and Sue...
The chances of getting money are much greater for Sue now.

This is all just a thought I am pondering and I have absolutely no proof it is true.

Buggles
Member

09-07-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bo, I don't see how Richard could trust that Sue after winning a personal judgment against him would return the money (he's a millionaire more or less right) & split any winnings from CBS/Survivor... plus the time & others risks involved, damage to his reputation, etc.

It just dawned on me how much Sue enjoyed delivering those harsh words in Survivor I with the world watching, the media attention etc... somehow it doesn't surprise me that she handled the Richard thing with similar drama. I suspect there's a part of her that REALLY enjoyed having a platform to spew her venom at someone & have zillions of shows & newspapers covering it

In fact, I just saw her being interviewed on it on Good Day Live now. Have to say, she carried herself very well & looked kind of attractive (surprisingly!) Many of them look suprisingly better to me off the island, like Tina. Though I think Richard looks better with the beard. Anyway, I digress...

Boberg
Member

10-04-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Buggles, like I said just a thought, but I truly don't think Richard worries about his reputation, not in the least. He originally won l million..that could easily be almost gone by now, and last but not least we don't know what kind of relationship Sue and Richard may have in private, I do know that Sue has appeared on several other reality shows.
As far as trust goes...if Sue doesn't pay up to Richard as agreed..he just tells everyone the truth about their plan and Sue loses everything.

Again, this is just my conspiracy theory mind at work.

Catfat
Member

02-27-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
As far as Sue being hungry on the island, Harry Smith mentioned that this morning and she stated emphatically that they had plenty to eat and that things were better for her this time than last time.

Buggles
Member

09-07-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 3:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Bo, I didn't mean to sound harsh (if I did) I was just 'thinking back' to you :-) I don't know if Richard still works as a corporate consultant but for that reason I didn't think he would create a sexual harrassment lawsuit intentionally. And if Richard revealed a plot to swindle the network out of millions I'm sure he would be subject to a countersuit... the idea seems to have a lot of potential dangers, but you're right, Richard seems to enjoy danger & controversy, especially in the pursuit of financial gain

Shewho
Member

10-06-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 7:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Richard seemed really concerned about causing Sue so much emotional pain. This was said on the Morning show on Friday.
He also commented that he never realized that inside of Sue's tough exterior was an easily hurt woman.

The intensity of Sue's body language and controlled (almost voice) this morning to me definitely cancels any remote chance that the two of them had any kind of deal.

Hootyhoot
Member

12-18-2001

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 9:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Besides the million he won on Survivor I, Richard has made hundreds of thousands more on appearances and his book and other fringe benefits. And I'll bet he seriously thought he could win this one.