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Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 7:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah, Tabs...Matt was awesome! I think the others were mad, feeling that he'd played them somehow, so they gave it to the 'other' coat-tail rider of Survivorland.

Lol...some of those that were booted first...like the one in Australia, was it?...she was really devastated...be interesting to see if they'd all be fence-sitters, so as not to get voted.

Elle
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08-29-2000

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 8:27 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i thought Matt was a shoe-in to win too!

and i also like the idea,Tab, of bringing back the first 2 booted

i'm a boston rob fan but if he doesn't make it i hope rupert does.


Moondance
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07-30-2000

Sunday, May 02, 2004 - 8:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What Tabby said!

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 2:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Of Rob and Amber, I say Amber. She's played both games well. The first game of advancing and the second game of eliminating people so that they don't dislike you.

Survivor is more than just being the physically most deserving or most "open" player. It's political too. He's played the political game horribly.

Csnog
Member

07-18-2002

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 9:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kathy. (sigh)

Brain- Robfather
Heart- Rupert
Gut- Amber

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 10:17 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Since the jury generally lives in the same house (given how many pix we've seen come out in the past) I would think it impossible that they haven't compared notes, which could be a huge problem for Rob.

And the reason I would definately choose Rob over Amber is that Amber has hidden under his coattails--hehe, in every way--while he played the game and did all the dirty work. Therefore I find him more deserving.

One thing I find ironic is how folks are saying how wrong he was for lying etc (and I've chimed in my on that already), but then they are saying he shouldn't have been straight up with anyone. So which is worse? The only thing I really fault him for was his direct lie to Lex. That was wrong. And at the very least HE should have voted for someone else and acted like he tried to save him. But hey, if he did that folks would be saying how awful he was for playing it that way.

What I don't get is why some Survivor's like Richard were hailed genuises for lying and manipulating, but Rob is getting vilified. Don't get it. Weird game...weird reactions.



Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 10:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, personally the fact that Rob made alliances and lied about things to people's faces like Alicia & Lex.

To me that's just too low down & dirty.

I don't remember Richard backstabbing anyone.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
For me it isn't that Rob has lied any more than some of the others like Hatch. It's his name calling, putting people down, making fun of their accent (he's one to talk) and his general lack of respect for anyone.

Those things have nothing to do with the game.

Cousin_jake
Member

07-04-2002

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And as many, many others have said over and over again .... managing to stay in the game to the final two is part of the game ... getting to the final two with at least four people on the jury wanting to give you their vote is just as important and in doing this, Amber has played the better game by riding someone's coat tails and letting them be the heavy.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 11:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Again, I agree with Lance and its something I've been saying from Rob's very first put down.

As far as how the game is played tho with respect to strategy styles, I'm surprised that it is considered appropriate game play to lie and backstab... while not lying or backstabbing is considered NOT playing the game.

I agree and believe that the ultimate goal is to get to the final two making as few enemies as possible, by any means necessary. I think the strategy of playing someone else to take all the heat while positioning yourself behind them, allowing them to effectively shield you all the way to the final two is just as valid a strategy, and appropriate gameplay, as making and subsequently breaking alliances.

What I don't consider valid gameplay is making an alliance to get to the final four, then doing nothing further in trying to better your position. To me that's not gameplay, that's giving up.

JMHO

Lurknomore
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07-07-2001

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 4:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh don't get me wrong on 2 fronts. First I do NOT respect Rob's lies. But I just don't think he has done it much more than others in the game who weren't as put down for it. And maybe it's just cause I know his type so well, but I guess I haven't been as offended by his put downs as much as I might have been by others doing the same thing because with Rob I truly believe it's his youthful bravado and how he is convincing himself he can pull it off. Unless I'm wrong, I think watching the tapes will be a big wake up call for him. He's shown a genuinely sweet and caring side, and I think he has some lessons to learn and win or lose I hope he gets his lessons out of this.

Plus, removing game strategy, I think Rob and Rupert have been the 2 hardest workers out there who have done the most. I don't think that should be overlooked either. Jenna made a big deal about how she gathers plantains. WOOHOO how does she handle the labor of that. ROFLMAO.

2nd, I don't disagree that flying under the radar and letting others do your dirty work IS most definately a strategy. However, in my opinion, it shouldn't be a winning one. I don't respect it. To me it's like a former friend who would go out to expensive bars she could never afford, dressed to kill and use her looks and charm to never pay a dime, them blow every guy off. I lost all respect for her cause of it. I just don't like folks using others to get what they want. Never have, not in real life and not on allegedly real (hehehe) tv.

Pantageas
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02-05-2003

Monday, May 03, 2004 - 5:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Right now I say - NOone.

I didn't watch the Africa season, but an the other seasons I DID watch, there was a player who's skill at manipulation, athletic prowess, alliance building, etc was almost 'admirable'. Even on the season that Brian won, you had to admire his skill in playing out each 'alliance' until that player was removed.

Most of these people all playing WITHOUT common sense, and WITHOUT being able to see the handwriting on the wall. I had just about given up on this show before the 'comeuppance' of the Rotu 4. That made me start watching the show again because at least people were playing like they WEREN'T satisfied for 4th, 5th, or 6th place.

From the time that Jerri was dismissed, almost every other tribemate to be dismissed will only have themselves to blame for not being in the Final 2. The lone exception being Shii Ann, who couldn't overcome numbers.

Alicia should have KNOWN she needed to manuever to stay in the game, but she couldn't bring herself to talk to Shii Ann.

Now you're left with Tom, who is going to HAVE to take a stand with one twosome, or risk being sent home himself. Yet whatever twosome he selects will be looking to ditch him at Final 3.

Rupert & Jenna freely dismissed Shii Ann when it was obvious that they were the two members absorbed from ANOTHER tribe, and that Tom and Rob(and therefore Amber) are 'in bed' together. They now are willingly facing the same numbers Shii Ann faced.

Rob and Amber are at risk for being an OBVIOUS twosome, yet they decided to wait one more week to split the OTHER obvious twosome.

Shii Ann would have grasped at whatever straws anyone gave her. No one did. IMHO this "All-Stars" is actually the most boring season of Survivor yet. It's like they all went out to sleepwalk through the whole thing. Very disappointing.

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 1:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can you imagine how bored they were out there?? If the TV episodes are considered the 'exciting parts' that have edited out of their day to day living... Holy Moley! they must have been bored OUT OF THEIR SKULLS!!
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At least with strangers there is a certain amount of 'getting to know each other'. These guys all basically knew each other. It must have been rough.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 2:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pantageas,
Great assessment. ITA with you.

Realbiz
Member

10-24-2002

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Jeff is pulling for Rob:

http://www.survivorfever.net/jp_all_stars_conference.html

Brenda1966
Member

07-03-2002

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 3:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for posting that Realbiz -- interesting!

Gidget
Member

07-28-2002

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 4:35 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The reason this season has been a bore is because we got all the fame hounds. In a regular season mix you get some fame hounds, some competitors and some money grubbers. And they combine in most interesting ways. The game is obviously tough. Being dirty and hungry is no fun. But the first time around it is an adventure. You don't really appreciate how hard it is going to be. And even those who don't last too long get a nice pay day out of it and probably at least some local celebrity if that is what they want.

These people did not come back for the million dollars. If they had we would have seen more typical survivor play. They were clearly back for the face time and to boost their post Survivor marketability.

With two exceptions. Rob and Amber came back for the million and they have been playing for it from day one. Had they been up against a typical Survivor mix their tired power of two game would have been toast. But sadly to say it was the best game played out there this time.

For crying out loud we had two people quit and please don't bore me with all the good reasons they had for quitting. Truth be told they were both so kicking themselves in the ass for even thinking of doing this again they couldn't wait to get out of there.

I think Jenna and Sue should split the million for being the only two players to show any guts this season. Took real balls to walk out on CBS and Burnett.


Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Tuesday, May 04, 2004 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
An interesting article:

http://www.elitestv.com/NewsPub/2004/May/ETV4096886dbf521.html

Sunshyne4u
Member

06-17-2003

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 12:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Realbiz. That interview with Jeff was interesting.

I read with disbelief the part of the article about it being 'impossible' to light fire without help there because of the wet wood.

A number of the contestants had glasses which could have been used in the sun with some grasses or cloth.

As for the problem of wet wood, I live on the West Coast rainforest. Anyone who is an outdoors person here knows how to start a fire using available natural supplies (even in the pouring rain) Once again I question the credibility of this game. Not ONE of the contestants did any preparations for their ALLSTAR season?? Even if they didnt know which location they were going to, I would think that they would be prepared for anything.

I think I agree with the concept that this show was about FACE TIME not truly playing the game.

Just my opinion




Elle
Member

08-29-2000

Wednesday, May 05, 2004 - 9:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Realbiz and Rupertbear, thanks for web address's. great articles. i'm a Boston Rob fan from day 1!

Danzdol
Member

04-21-2001

Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 11:47 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
GO ROB!

Texasdeb
Member

05-23-2003

Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 4:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Who I want to win: Rupert. Who prob. deserves the win: Amber (she's "played" the Robfather violin the whole way & has gotten away with it - a total dif. stratagy than what we've seen anyone play in the past.)