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Sheilaree
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07-19-2002

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 8:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Will Sue sue Richard for Sexual Harrassment when this is over, and will there be a Survivor 8?

Misspoufy
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02-14-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sue is nothing but a bag of hot air anyway....remember her tirade at the last TC on Survivor 1???? She'll blow off at Jeff next week and things will be hunkey dory.

Padivius
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08-21-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe I missed something, but I didn't really see what was done that was so bad! I didn't really get what the big deal was! They passed each other on the boards and on boards that thin, you need to squeeze by each-other like they did. That's all... If Sue reacts (which we've seen that she does) it will be, without a doubt, an unnessecary over-reaction...

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 9:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think this will impact the possibility of future shows, but I do think the production company will no longer allow anyone to be naked during the challenges.

Sue is a very vocal person, and she does get overly emotional. I've re-watched the tape several times and there is no doubt in my mind Richard PURPOSELY touched her with his genitals. He even asked her if she wanted some. So I'm not entirely convinced Sue doesn't have reason to be vocal in this case. Is what he did traumatizing and will scar Sue for the rest of her life? Certainly not, but it was unwanted and entirely inappropriate.

It is probably editing, but I didn't think anyone thought what Rich did was a big deal or anything more than "disgusting". I do think that someone should have called Richard on his behavior immediately and required him to re-don his shorts. I also believe like others that if Richard had acted this way towards Amber, he would have been.

I think Sue might be more upset over the way everyone seemed to be minimizing what Rich did more than anything else. But like everyone else, I'll just have to wait and see.

Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I rewatched the tape and what I don't understand is this....Sue was heading towards us, the viewing audience, if you will. She glanced right and saw Richard coming on another plank, so she BACKED UP, to the cross beam and WAITED for him to come to where she was standing.

Now granted, he seemed to thrust his pelvis forward but it did not seem to me that he touched her with his genitals.

If she was so offended, why wait for him to come to her AND why wait three days, til she saw Probst again, to cause a ruckus? Why didn't she say something IMMEDIATELY after the game, while Hatch was still on the spot?

Lori
Member

04-18-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I couldn't agree more. Had it been Amber, immediate steps would have been taken.

There should be a rule - Survivors must be clothed during challenges. Geez that was disgusting!

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think Sue backed up and switched planks so she could confront Richard, I think she realized she was on a plank that would take her further from where she needed to be. She even waits for Richard to get off the plank before she starts. She has her back to Richard as he is "accosting" her. I don't think she wanted to confront him, she was just trying to get to where she needed to be quickly.

Reflections
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02-10-2004

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:14 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Richard was inappropriate period. There are no excuses for him at all in my book. He strips on purpose to intimidate. That's his strategy. And he is so smug he doesn't give a rip about his actions.

Sue shouldn't have to take a different route not to have someone's genitals thrust at her. It was disgusting.

I am with you all, if nudity is going to cause an issue -- then they shouldn't allow it.

Richard was disgusting anyhow. I am glad he's gone.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:19 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
http://www.uploadit.org/ivoryfair/Survivor1.rm

Here is a shortcut to the video... I hope it works!!

March
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10-02-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:46 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't think CBS showed us everything that happened. From what I saw I can't see Sue getting as upset as we see her next week, so there had to be more to this whole incident than what was shown last night.
That is not to say that what Richard did was alright but Sue being the tough cookie that she is, I feel that there must have been more to it for her to get sooo upset.


Auntiemike
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09-17-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If Sue sees Rich's behavior as sexual harrassment then Tom's remarks should also have equal footing, I believe. He is very obnoxious with his sexual innuendos and I had the same opinion of him last time too. Sue just seems to have a problem with anyone who doesn't talk/behave the way she wants them to. It's a reflection of Sue more than anyone else, I think. I feel sad for her.

Kep421
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08-11-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Speculation amongst posters is that Tom might become a bit more public in his critisisms of Sue and it creates a confrontation.

I personally think it might be a combination of the two different things. Tom on top of dealing with Richard...could put anyone over the edge..

Trinity63
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07-21-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:06 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This poses good questions. What is CBS responsible for regarding Survivor? Besides being responsible for the well being of the contestants, does that translate into making sure they are not offended by naked people, or sexual innuendos?

I would think if someone from the staff were inappropriate to a contestant they would be either terminated or reprimanded.

Does the same go in regards to how contestants treat one another? I would think that if a contestant physically harmed another contestant they would be removed.

But where are the lines drawn I guess I am asking.

Ark
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07-10-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 11:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What I saw was Sue step first to the plank that Hatch was on. She saw him coming and switched to another plank. Then she stepped back and decided to wait for him to come across and take the shorter route. Kathy had also arrived at the juncture that Sue was waiting by that time and it made it a tight squeeze for Hatch to get around. Once he got on the platform, Kathy took off and Hatch should have been heading in the opposite direction from Sue. Instead he turned to face the same direction as Sue was going and put Little Rich against Sue's butt. JP then told him to knock it off.

I don't think they should have allowed Hatch to strip down for this competition. Since they did and he took advantage of the situation. If it's OK for Hatch to use his wanger to send a message to Sue, I would have liked to have seen her send a message to him by grabbing his jewels and squeezing. They were in a no contact zone when this all took place so if nothing else, Hatch should have been eliminated for unnecessary contact.

Puttergirl
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08-11-2000

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think it was completely inappropriate and should never have been allowed. Some things I noticed:

1. Richard didn't remove his shorts until he had lost a showdown. Then he purposely wisked them off. It seemed obvious he planned to use it to intimidate people into not doing the challenges against him. He should have been told to put them back on right then!

2. I watched closely, and Sue didn't notice Richard was nude until he was almost to her. When she backed up, she only glanced his way but didn't see he was nude. You can tell by the surprised bellow she gave when she saw him nude just before he got to her.

3. When he purposely rubbed against her, that should have been grounds for elimination. I was very disappointed in Jeff for downplaying it and saying we are all adults here. Just like a man to not care!!

4. Sue did mention it on the way back to camp. She was angry but not real heated yet. I imagine it really stewed in her mind for a couple of days until she blows her stack at Jeff the next time they're together. I don't blame her! Jeff allowed Richard to use his nudity as a tool (no pun intended) in the game and thats not fair as well as being morally wrong!

Adven
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02-06-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm beginning to think Sue's blow up next week is directed at Tom, and not Richard, too. Initially, I assumed it was Rich she was angry with. After reading the posts above and others, I'm less inclined to think it's Richard.

As for MB and CBS being in trouble, I doubt it. My guess is the contract the contestants sign covers almost any possible contingency and leaves no room for CBS to be culpable. Richard might be a target for legal action, but from what I've seen, his behavior may have been crude and offensive, but any lawsuit would be considered frivolous and not get very far. I think we need to remember that there is a major difference between inappropriate behavior and an act that could land someone in jail.

Sheilaree
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07-19-2002

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with you puttergirl Something should have been said right there, and to put his shorts back on

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Heck Puttergirl, Sue could have used her nudity too. I am betting if she peeled off her bikini they would have all voluntarily jumped off the planks.

Beachcomber
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08-26-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 12:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was disgusting and should never be allowed again. Rich was on CBS Morning show and they asked him about it, but he gave a blow-off (no pun intended) answer like it was not intentional and no big deal. He said that after he fell in the water, his teammates encouraged him to strip in order to intimidate the other team, so he did.

Spitfire
Member

07-18-2002

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Posting this here as well as Ep.6 - Outraged

Thinking about Sue's blowup and reading the posts above make me think it may be Tom to. The preview showed the others as shocked with the OMG expression on their faces. I would think that if it was about Rich they would have a grin and be snickering about it because he is gone and they don't have to be shocked about what she may be saying. With Tom being there, they would have to react in a way that would be expected. Their shocked expressions could be showing us that they cannot believe that she would draw this much attention to herself. Does this make any sense? :-)

Bcandscott
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08-21-2002

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 1:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maybe I'm missing something....but Sue still had her butt covered, right. So even if Richard had been wearing his shorts, it would have only been one more layer of clothing between them, one more thin piece of cloth and whatever was "rubbing" or "thrust" at Sue would have probably felt no different had he been wearing his shorts. The real question about the thing, IMHO, is whether or not he actually "rubbed", "thrusted", or in some other way pressed a body part against Sue in a way that was deliberate rather than the normal necessary contact of any two people clothed or unclothed passing each other in that challenge. Or am I completely confused here?

Had, for example, Sue's face been the point of contact, well, I suspect she would have removed the offending parts in short order. She doesn't strike me as a shrinking violet type.


Seaworthy
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01-29-2004

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 2:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The game is called Survivor, NOT "get naked & see how many people will be offended". IMO nudity is totally uncalled for & CBS should be taken to task for allowing these kind of incidents . JMO.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I find it amazing how Sue's behavior and personality is being explored when it comes to the penis incident.

If someone walked up behind me and purposely rubbed his bare genital area against my butt, (without my express invitation to do so) it would not matter to me how many articles of clothing I was wearing, nor do I think the number of penises I've seen in my lifetime would make a difference to me either.

I also do not think my emotional or non-emotional history would make what he did more acceptable. Whether or not I was outspoken or quietly reserved could never change the inappropriatness of this guy's act.

Sue is not the one who acted inappropriately here. Sue was simply trying to complete her challenge and Richard could have kept walking past her and continued with his. Instead he purposefully acted rudely and cudely towards Sue, and discussing Sue's personality traits doesn't change that fact.

Why is it when a man acts inappropriately towards a woman, somehow it should be excused by something she did or didn't do? Although I realize everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions, I am simply astonished by some of the statements in this and other threads.

I am not a big fan of Sue's, and maybe Richard may not have intended anything inappropriate, and was just using his nudity as a strategy, but he went to far. And from what I hear about his statements after the fact, he is way to arrogant to realize the inappropriatness of his actions, and views his actions as "no big deal".


Rupertbear
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09-19-2003

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Granted, Richard should not have listened to his teammates and should have kept his shorts on for the challenge BUT...could Sue NOT forsee thirty seconds ahead of her...that she would have to squeeze past Kathy and Richard's naked butt? You don't go down a dark alley when you see a stranger coming in the opposite direction...prudence dictates an alternate route.

I don't see this as making excuses for Richard...I see it as Sue also making an unwise choice. She backed up and WAITED to use that plank....while she was waiting, she could have been halfway home on the original plank she was on.


Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I hope Sue decks Richard at the reunion.