Author |
Message |
Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 11:45 am
I'm really glad to hear that Jeff's remarks to Rob C were more in fun than anything. I didn't know about their off screen friendship, and I guess I was totally surprised by what I percieved as "un-Jeff" like behavior. As for Jerri, I'm not so sure that Jeff should have done that on air. Once Jerri responded in a postitive manner, Jeff could have moved on and taken issue with her privately over anything else. It just seemed to me that once he got her to express herself positively, he shot her down. I understand the need to send a message, but it still seemed a tad harsh at the time. But then I could be reacting from my own feelings and not really Jeff's or Jerri's.
|
Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 11:46 am
Aw Gina what you said is very true. I didn't see Jerri in Australia, only in All-Stars, and couldn't see *at all* why people hate her. It's interesting to at least learn that she started out with a lie. But it's strange to me that Rupert's stealing is embraced & Jerri's lying is hated When they were planning the construction of their shelter I thought Jerri was so sensible & Rupert was pig-headed and really hurt their group. I'm not trying to be combative here & don't want to attack Rupert... but just express how complex human nature can be. I can sympathize with Jerri from what I've seen. It doesn't seem logical why Rupert is at one end of the likeability spectrum & she's at the other. Whatever their personality differences, the hatred seems totally unwarranted. Again though, I did not see her in Australia. She seemed fine to me in All-Stars though.
|
Sbw
Member
08-09-2000
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 11:52 am
I saw Jeff wanting all the "senationalism" to be on the CBS show and not in TV Guide. But maybe I am too naive. Why snark at each other to benefit someone else - TV Guide in this example. Why not battle it out on their own show and them reap the "news" benefits.
|
Amchess
Member
08-27-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 11:52 am
You are right, Bug. Rupert was a dunderhead about the shelter. He owned up to it and felt terrible.
|
Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 12:06 pm
Buggles: The stealing of shoes was a part of the game that benefited Rupert's tribe and fell in line with the pirate theme. Rupert wasn't trying to hurt anyone, he was simply "pillaging" as a good pirate should. This pillaging gave Rupert's tribe more money to purchase things in town and didn't really hurt the other tribe as the shoes were the dress shoes they were dropped off in. The other tribe still had tennis shoes/sneakers that were given them by Jeff. Jerri's lie during the Outback episode hurt Kel and ended up getting him voted off the show. She convinced the other tribe members that he was hoarding jerky in his knapsack...so much so that some of them even rifled through Kel's personal belongings while he was away (which was what I found most distasteful about the entire incident). I think the difference between the two "transgressions" is that one seemed more of a personal attack than just part of the game play.
|
Lauram
Member
07-13-2000
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 12:40 pm
"so much so that some of them even rifled through Kel's personal belongings " I think it was actually Tina Wesson who riffled through Kel's knapsack. . . . I can't believe she ended up winning.
|
Kep421
Member
08-11-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 12:45 pm
Thanks Lauram, I couldn't remember who actually did the rifiling. I remember several were standing around watching to see what Tina found, and I thought that was just as bad.
|
Hobbs
Member
08-05-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 1:14 pm
I like Jeff doing the reunion shows. I always questioned why he "tallied the votes" and then slipped off stage into obscurity in the beginning years. I thought MB might be trying to keep this mysterious edge to Jeff. It might have been CBS thinking they knew how to do it better. Who knows. But I hated the Gumble guy doing it. He had no clue what had happened during the show. The Rosie one in Central park was better, but that was more of an "event" than a reunion. Did somebody else do one after Rosie and before Jeff started? I really don't remember. But Jeff is my host. He seems to enjoy the show, enjoy the people, and enjoy the job. I enjoyed last night's show and didn't take anything he was doing as nothing more than honest questions to allow Jerri et al explain themselves.
|
Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 1:25 pm
Jerri's whole attitude has been a negative one, since her first stint in Australia. She seemed no different on All Stars. I recall she decided to be the archer for her team in the one challenge and was unable to get a single arrow in. I think she should have let one of the men represent them. He would have had the upper body strength to use the bow & arrow properly. And, no disrespect whatsoever but I DO NOT believe that criticizing someone causes them to commit suicide. If this occurs, then that person had way deeper problems, stemming much further back than someone's negative comment to them. Saying some people don't have the 'social skills' to be liked...um...not quite sure what that means but if they see that many people are perceiving them in a negative manner, a red flag should go up and tell them it's time to get some help, to learn how to interact with others in a more positive manner.
|
Madelane
Member
08-20-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 1:51 pm
And p.s., it's actually "reap what you SOW," as in farming, not "sew" as in clothesmaking. I thought that was a cute malapropism and I'm only correcting it to lighten the mood, not to make fun of anyone's spelling or grammar. There are a lot of those where I/we start to forget where they came from. Like I have always wondered whether it's "to the manner born" or "to the manor born", both of which could make sense. Anyway carry on.
|
Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 1:59 pm
Isn't it manor born? You are right, either would make sense and does anybody say that anymore?
|
Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 2:11 pm
Oh....lmao...thanks Madelane...guess I was so intent on my point I made the mistake twice but I had this vague feeling something wasn't right. And the saying is, 'to the manor born', as Mamie said.
|
Reiki
Member
08-12-2000
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 3:16 pm
I had no problem with Jeff the other night and feel that Jerri opened herself up to his questions with her TV Guide interview. She involved Jeff in what happened on the finale show in a public forum. He responded in one. Not one of the eighteen contestants were forced to be on Survivor. They all knew what they were getting themselves into. There have always been live audiences for the finale and contestants have always been met with the audience reactions - both negative and positive.
|
Dogdoc
Member
09-29-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 4:14 pm
I agree with what Reiki said. I was just about to post the same thoughts.
|
Moondance
Member
07-30-2000
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 4:17 pm
What Reiki said!
|
Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 4:31 pm
quote:And, no disrespect whatsoever but I DO NOT believe that criticizing someone causes them to commit suicide. If this occurs, then that person had way deeper problems, stemming much further back than someone's negative comment to them.
This is percisely my point. I really don't think Jerri was up to this. The first Survivor experience was really, really rough on her. Basically all this critisism of her is kicking someone when they are down. <nd> Imagine that odd kid in elementary school who did not fit in. Instead of being kind to him, everyone just bullies him because he doesn't fit in and doesn't know how to interact with others. Everyone booing at Jerri is the same thing as bullying a kid who doesn't fit in. It's just plain cruel. I already said this, Jerri tried as hard as she knew how to be kind people during All-stars, yet she still failed. Instead of recognizing that she tried really hard, everyone just keeps kicking her when she's down. Jerri had zero negative intentions toward anyone. Study everything she said, unlike the others, she never even trashed talked. She just has a tendancy to grate of people's nerves and put her foot in her mouth. Nothing she says is mean spirited. 5,000 booing her is mean spirited beyond measure. Some people can handle it and would shrug it off. She isn't one of them. I don't think they should have cast her a second time. I find it just terrible and upsetting that folks judge folks who don't fit their mold and bully them.
|
Fruitbat
Member
08-07-2000
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:00 pm
Jeff does an excellent job, superior. Best host ever. Love the guy. AND beautiful with dimples too! ahhhhhhhhhh I like Jerri as well and was saddened that she got a zinger both nights. I don't fault Jeff for what he said but I felt very maternal toward her. I never had a problem with her. There is something about Jerri that makes me want to protect and defend her. I realize many don't share this and I understand why. I see the vulnerability behind her edges. She can't get out of her own way.
|
Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:10 pm
Not true Gina...as I previously mentioned...she gloated about the fact she got Colby booted before herself. She wasn't very complimentary about Shii Ann either. Hey, think what you will of her. We seem to be watching two different people. I'm not beating up anyone who's bloody on the ground. Just giving my opinion on her in the show. As far as I know, she does not read at this site, so my opinion of her shall go no further than this board.
|
Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:14 pm
Kep, thanks for the explanation Wish I could have seen these myself... guess I'll have to wait for dvd!! Rupertbear, I don't think Jerri single-handedly decided to be the archer for the team. Because she had experience with archery, everyone seemed to agree that she was their best shot. No one seemed blame her for losing this very tough challenge except herself. As I recall Boston Rob only barely got one arrow in, so who knows if anyone other than Jerri would have been able to match this. Are you suggesting she should be hated for trying & losing? My gosh, all of them have been in key positions in challenges & lost. I admired her for having the guts to try, and I sensed her 'tribemates' actually did too. As for having the 'social skills' to be liked... I think it goes beyond what is 'appropriate' behavior. Two people can behave fundamentally the same but be received totally differently because of subtle quirks or sometimes even immutable characteristics. For example, if Jerri stole the shoes EXACTLY as Rupert did, would it have been considered 'the best moment in Survivor history?' Somehow don't think so What if she had taken Rupert's stubborn position on building a low-lying shelter, but felt terrible about it afterward (as she did with losing the archery comp). Would people have forgiven her & give her a million dollars? Somehow I even bet if Rupert did Jerri's 'jerky hoarding lie'.... just hypothetically ..... he still could have won the million. I can see people writing it off the way they wrote off his willingness to break his alliances to Rob, Amber, and Jenna (all prematurely, as they had a F4 pact.. Jenna was discussed with Shii Ann). But because Rupert wasn't as effective as persuasion as Boston Rob, he somehow got tagged as 'honorable' in keeping his alliances But getting back to the main topic... ITA with Reiki on Jeff/Jerri. Jerri opened herself up to it, and Jeff responded fairly in kind I thought. I think Jerri will be okay. Regarding Gina's point, I did know a kid who was picked on mercilessly in junior high school, and committed suicide sadly. I think it happens all too often, or worse - like with the Columbine shootings. I guess I differ with Gina in that I'm not worried about Jerri (though ya never know)... I know it looked bad that she walked out, but I'm amazed at how she's managed to hold herself up since. Again though, I don't have the benefit of 'knowing' her from Australia. Congrats Rupertbear btw on Rupert winning the million Believe it or not, I'm STILL happy for him (and you)!!
|
Gina8642
Member
06-01-2001
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:26 pm
I'm not saying Jerri is going to commit suicide, but she is being deeply hurt by the negativity aimed at her. I too knew someone growing up who never fit in and committed suicide in highschool. People said stuff about him that sounds percisely like what folks are saying here about Jerri. Things like "He brought it on himself, because of the way he acts, etc". He got what he deserved when folks bully him because he is so annoying in class. He tried to make friends, but never suceeded because of his quirks. His self-hate became so great, he killed himself. Until the moment people found out he was dead, they said all their unkind comments were totally justified and that he should just realize that he was annoying and magically change. He couldn't. That just wasn't the person he was. Instead of accepting him, people rediculed him. I see a lot of parallels and the way people redicule Jerri. I don't think Jerri's psychie is that damaged, but it isn't as strong as it should have been for someone going on a show like this. The survivor casting staff should be more careful. BTW - Jerri has always insisted that Kel really did have jerky, just as Kel always insisted he didn't. During the show, I mostly believed Kel. After the granola bar made it into the Amazon, I had to wonder if Jerri was telling the truth. Whether it was a lie or not, is really still in debate.
|
Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:30 pm
Buggles...I am certainly NOT suggesting any one 'hate' Jerri, for any reason. <nd> I am trying to say that I do not agree with those who would like to portray her as some kind of "poor victim". I still believe she is the author of her own misfortune. I guess I felt that she did so poorly in the archery challenge, I was a little skeptical if she'd ever done it before. Rupert did make a mistake with the shack, that is an undeniable fact. He did stay true to his primary alliance to the very end. Jerri is the type of person, like Trish from the current Bachelor we're watching who comes off in a very negative manner to a lot of people, then blames everyone else for their perceptions.
|
Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:37 pm
True, Gina... Jerri is being deeply hurt, and it's sad Bizarre, too, considering she's not your stereotypical 'geek' though people almost seem to be treating her that way. Her Playboy issue was the year's best-seller!! I had wondered if the 'lie' was confirmed... thanks for the info.
|
Buggles
Member
09-07-2002
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 5:57 pm
Okay Rupertbear ... like I said, I really honestly believe that Rupert wasn't 'true' to his primary alliance (which I would consider the F4) as he was trying to break them, just as Rob did, behind their backs. Rupert just wasn't successful. Rob DID stay true to that same F4, which I consider the 'primary alliance'.... which is why Rupert & Jenna voted for him, and Amber is marrying him As I see it, Rob broke his word to more people than Rupert for three reasons: (1) he was more effective as persuading people, (2) more people tried to align with him, and (3) he had more friends going in. If everyone wanted to align with Rupert the way they did with Rob, approached him to make little side-deals, I doubt Rupert would've said, 'Sorry! but I'd be overextending myself.' Does anyone actually ever say that?? Now as for the Trish comparison... gack Totally see that Trish orchestrated her own eschewing, but I really, honestly don't see it with Jerri. Trish glorified 'bad behavior'... haven't seen this with Jerri. Seemed more like people were annoyed by her personality quirks or subtle (nonoffensive - to me) intonations or whatever.
|
Rupertbear
Member
09-19-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 6:17 pm
Ah well, just as Lurk and I were having our on going debates about Rupert and Rob...we all look at things in our own unique way. I think Robs primary alliance was to Amber and Rupert's was to Jenna. Towards the end, Rupert realized it would be R & A F2 if he didn't try to break them up and oust one. I see Jerri just as publicity seeking and attention grabbing as Trish. That is how I view her actions in and out of both games and on the reunion shows. I also remember at the final TC for the Australian vote, between Colby and Tina...basically Jerri was telling Colby if he apologized to her, she'd give him her vote. And the Playboy issue...well I've seen those pictures and my goodness...if my upper body looked the same as Jerri's I would not have posed, if I had been her.
|
Pascalle
Member
09-25-2003
| Friday, May 14, 2004 - 6:20 pm
Gina, you make very valid points. <nd> I've often also realized that women game players are stupidly held to a differant standard than the men. I'm not a big fan of Jeff and his favoritism(sp) or his snarkiness. All of these people made Survivor the hit show that it is, whether they were preceived as the good guys or the bad. As a matter of fact it is the "bad" guys who keep the ubber yuppie type viewers tuning in. They want to see their little "Ethan" types win over supposed evil. lol. The producers are well aware of this and should give the "bad' guys an extra bonus for taking on the unpopular role in my opinion.
|
|
|
|