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Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 8:22 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Every single season the finalists say how hard it is to ask someone they voted for to leave to vote for them to win. They know this. They know that the jury is a big part of the end game. If they ignore this, then the only thing I can think of it that they're crossing their fingers that people will in the end respect that they did what they were able to do to get there. Rob did not adjust his game to play to the jury. So...Rob lost in the end.

Besides- he's marrying the winner. What can he possibly have to whine about? Because he didn't win it himself? Like that final immunity that he insisted on fighting for? Time for him to make a mental shift and think of Amber as his partner, not his competition.

Lancecrossfire
Moderator

07-13-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 9:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
March, you are right on--as Rob got to take full advantage of the rules while playing the game, the jury played within the rules while voting.

There is nothing in the rules indicating what criteria you have to vote by. Greg in S1 used the "pick a number" approach--pure luck. If you want to vote with emotions, you are allowed.

Interesting that Rob would have any problems with people playing within the rules.

Oh wait--they didn't play in a manner that allowed him to win. Ok, now I see why Rob isn't happy with those folks. They didn't hand him the win.

Lurknomore
Member

07-07-2001

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This is so crystal clear to me. Rob, never one NOT to speak his mind (maybe that's why I like him we share that quality lol), truly feels he played the best game and should have won. It's just his opinion and how he feels. In all the interviews I've seen him in, he's never just complained. He's been asked some question about if he thinks he should have won, and his comments were in response to that.

I don't think it has a thing to do with the money or marrying Amber...he feels since he played the best game and did the dirty work, when asked he gave his honest feelings that he should have won it. Forget debating if we agree or disagree...I'm just saying this is where I think he is coming from.

Lancecrossfire
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07-13-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That is what makes Survivor tough--everyone has a different idea of what "playing the best game" means.

Rudy's idea could be completely different than Rob's idea. Since Rudy wasn't on the jury, his idea deosn't play into the final outcome. Now, when the jury has a different idea what "the best played game" means, then things won't look good. As Jeff says, during the F2 situation, power changes over to the jury.

Getting to F2 is 1/2 the battle--getting there in a way the jury can accept is the other 1/2.

I have no problem with Rob feeling he played the best game. It's an opinion he is entitled to.

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wonder if that will be or even if it is kind of a point of contention between Rob and Amber. I'm sure she feels that she deserved to win. It's a tough call- I do think Rob played a better game and did more of the dirty work- but she won the jury and that's what it comes down to.

Demeter
Member

08-05-2001

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
During the game, I thought maybe Amber was playing well and we were just not seeing it due to editing. After watching and listening to her in the after-interviews, I'm not so sure.

In Australia, she essentially was a non-entity and I remember at that time all the talk about her riding on Jeri's coat-tails. That didn't get her far.

She chose someone else this time and it worked for her. Beyond that, she seems like a follower and that she is probably rather deferential to others. Whether or not she earned her spot as winner, she will probably never know that. She is already deferring to Rob in her comments. I hope that is not the case, but she is looking to be someone that can fall into the door-mat role fairly easily.

Kep421
Member

08-11-2001

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 12:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
*takes out her Unofficial Survivor Strategy Notebook, pencils in doormat role...workable strategy??**

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 12:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LMAO!!! Keppy! Ya too funny, kiddo! :-)

Pascalle
Member

09-25-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 2:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Amber got a pass as far as I'm concerned but she won the money so it belongs to her. Emotional people should not be allowed to play this game of strategy. In fact they should change the name of the show to "stradegy Survivor" so the players don't get confused and go all whifty at final TC. As a matter of fact, there ought to be a law that emotional people will not be allowed to even watch the show, as I have said before. I was really disgusted with Lex who I always liked before and disgusted with Tom,Kathy, and Alicia's behavior throughout the game. ShiAnn managed to be adult and realize the game for what it is but then her IQ is probably higher then the others, just a guess.

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 3:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If that's the case Pascalle...Survivor would plummet in the ratings and be taken off the air.

Because I believe there are more so-called emotional people who watch this game than robots.

Caycaye
Member

09-14-2001

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL...so TRUE, Rupertbear!!

Although...I certainly see Pascalle's point!

Fruitbat
Member

08-07-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 4:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pascalle, LOL! and some good points too. Love whifty.

Pascalle
Member

09-25-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 4:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Ty Fruit. I stand by my statements

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 4:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Me too :-)

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 5:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Pascalle, I think you are right for sure about Shii Ann (and Richard) being adults about the game and understanding that it's part of the strategy...and that Shii and Richard certainly *seem* a bit wiser than some of their fellow competitors, at the very least, even if they may not be.

In fact, what I found so entertaining about Shii and Richard was that they were able to analyze the situations and to use their analytical skills in the game in engaging ways. Rob and Amber, to their credit, did this, but to a lesser degree. I suppose some people prefer homo sentimentalis, though, and I guess that's also fine. It's not my cup of tea, though.

Pascalle
Member

09-25-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 5:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Exactly Tish. Heaven forbid we should bring reason into the game.lol

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 5:28 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh come on...you guys know there's room for everything in the show.

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 5:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
RB, did you actually read my last two sentences, where I say exactly the same thing? Sheesh.

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 5:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Sheesh...yes I did...not your cuppa... uh huh..

Tishala
Member

08-01-2000

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 5:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good. So you know that I said there is room for everything on the show. Uh huh..

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 5:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yes and I suppose because I didn't use any type of a 'smiley' you assumed I was being snarky, when the opposite intent was true..uh huh..

Pamy
Member

01-02-2002

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 6:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
that's the way I like it, uh huh, un huh!

Thanks!! now I can't get that song outta my head! lol

Rupertbear
Member

09-19-2003

Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 6:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Roflmao! Hilarious, Pamy (hug)