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Puzzled

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked the twist. It was new and fun.

JP said they'd been on meagre diets, too, and I bet there was plenty of manipulating and negotiating, since only two of them are going to go back to the tribes and they have to be voted in by their fellow castaways.

As for those being planked now--for all we know, they will come back, too.

Wilsonatmd

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sugar:

The Lex settlement had to do with the fallen comrades challenge at the final four in Survivor Africa...One of the questions turned out to be faulty (the question had to do with what female player had no piercings, including her ears...they thought the one person who was given as the answer didn't have any, but she had pierced ears. Thus, there was no correct answer.) They didn't realize this until after everyone went home and they couldn't change the result, so Lex (3rd place) and Tom (4th place) got more money than they would have orginally ended up getting (they both allegedly got 2nd place money in the end)

Sugar

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Wilsonatmd.

I didn't realize the Survivors were given a stipend like Big Brother, however, I've read several comments about it for those booted and brought back.

Wilsonatmd

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah...first one booted gets $2,500, and the money increases steadily until they get to the runnerup, who gets $100,000. (we don't know the exact amounts in between, but we hear 3rd gets about $75,000, and 4th gets $60,000.) What they're probably going to do is the four outcasts who don't get back in will be ranked according to when they were booted for money purposes....Shawn and Osten will probably be given the same amount of money since they were booted the same night, and they'll go back to their normal schedule from there.

Kappy

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When I heard of the twist, I thought it was great and really looked forward to watching it. But I have to admit that as it played out last night, I honestly felt sickened for Morgan and Drake. They will now enter the merge and have to compete for individual immunity against two people who have obviously had their fish caught for them, been provided showers, and most importantly, have slept without bugs biting them for awhile. But the worst part was listening to Jeff trying to play up the sympathy angle for the hurt feelings of the Outkasts. All I could think of was Jenna and "here we go again".

Squaredsc

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i actually liked this twist. it adds the element of surprise to the game that is needed, imo. like in thailand when jeff pulled that fake merge thing. keeps the show from being boring.

Sunshyne4u

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am completely agreed with Kappy. I was really looking forward to this twist. But when I saw the clean looking(but unshaven, etc) ex- contestants show up LOOKING wellrested and PREPARED for a fight...my stomach flipped. This wasnt fair......the OUTKAST team were 'ready to go' and Morgan/ Drake looked like they were in shock.
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As I said in another thread, the only way this would have been a fair comp, IMHO, is if the Outkast team were brought to the comp area under false pretenses and they, TOO , were unprepared.
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There is no way that the Outkast tribe were eating as poorly as Morgan.....and frankly, even Drake contestants are starting to look a little less plump from their small food portions. Nicole, the very first voted off, looked just the same as 18 days earlier...............there is no way that they were eating LIMITED portions.
That also made this an unfair comp.

Enigma2

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I'm in the minority that think that the 'twist' and Thursday's comp. was 'fair.' (Now if only I can explain this with some degree of lucidity...):

The way I see this game is in that each time a team votes out a member; that member should be the one who is weakest at competitions and in keeping-the-camp. In theory, the 'outcasts' should have been the 'weakest.' (Ryan S. –a nice guy– is perhaps the only one who truly belongs with the 'outcasts.') (The strategy of voting out
stong players should have been started later...)

But both the Morganites and the Drakettes have voted out people who were of considerable value to their teams. The votes –on-a-hole– have not been 'logical' choices, but rather 'emotional' ones. And generally based on some perceived offense some one has made within the 24 hrs. preceeding the vote. And this emotional basis of decisions has now come back to bite them in the butts.

In theory, the 'outcasts' should be a group of the weakest players. Instead it consists of some of the strongest –or, potentially strongest– players from both teams. If the comp. can be considered 'unfair' by either the Morganittes or the Drakettes, it was really of their own doing; their own mistakes...

(This was hard: is it clear; lucid?)

Stingerman

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Very good twist and I enjoyed watching it.

Llkoolaid

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like people coming back after they were voted out but it does add a lot of interest.

Think of the things that could happen if they merge. You have the two outcasts, Jon and whoever thinks they could be next to go on Morgan, (Tijauna didn't seem too certain when Andrew was saying his speech about the outcast getting sent home at he first possible chance).

That is 4 votes.The 2 out casts are safe and I can't see any players from either Morgan or Drake voting off one of their own, so you are going to get Rupert, Sandra and Christa voting out a player from Morgan and you are going to get Andrew, Ryan and Darrah voting off a member of Drake. That is 3 votes each as opposed to the 4 votes that could be had if an alliance is formed by the outcast, Jon and a member from Morgan.

If I were Rupert or Andrew I would be very worried if there is a merge.

The stratagizing is going to be crazy this week, I can't wait to see how this plays out.

Webkitty

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like the twist. There are some things that shouldn't be messed with, and this is one of them.
Since the very first TC, fire has meant life. Once your torch in out, so are you.
This concept caught America's fancy, and held it for 7 seasons. Twists and turns are fine, but undermining the very concept of ones own creation is bizzare.
He took the game away from the contestants and inserted himself in one of the cruelest ways possible. He took the concept of adaptability too far. I guess he felt the need to remind everyone who the REAL puppetmaster is.

I'll keep watching and spoiling, but I hope to never see this twist again.
The upcoming all star season is another matter. For 2 million and the advantages they got out of the first one, they deserve EPMB twisted mind. Plus, they should all know enough to expect ANYTHING.
After this ~heartbreak of defeat~ stunt he pulled on this cast, I don't want to see ANY quarter given to the all stars.
(suffer you all stars! lol)

Catfat

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who says that Morgan and Drake must share their food with the returning Outcast tribemembers? If I were on either D or M I would be so tempted to tell them to go catch their own fish, you're not getting any of my share. I agree with Andrew, I would do what I could to keep the tribe tight and vote off the Outcast at the first opportunity. After a few days of being starved and ostracized, maybe the Outcasts won't be strutting quite so fine. That should even the playing field.

Enigma2

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For me, Thursday's show left us with a cliff-hanger: the Outcast voting.

Left to their own devices, each of the outcasts will vote for themselves to remain. (No successful vote there....)

Are they discussing between themselves which two to send back. (Want to hear that discussion...)

Do the outcasts get to decide which team each of the two selected will join. (Their success or failure depends a lot on who goes where...)

Any info? Any thoughts?

Lorry

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really like the twist. It's so off the wall, and soooo devious. Yep, it might be a tad unfair... but who said things had to be fair in this game? The idea is to deal with whatever happens... to make the best of it... to come out ahead. If you can't, you lose... If you can, you just might win.

There should never be firm rules about this game. This is not the survivors against nature, but the survivors against MB and Company, and doing so while dealing with what Mother Nature throws in their paths.

I like the twist, hope there are more twists. I have not been bored even once since this season has begun. Now that's entertainment...lol

Ric_Munoz

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This reminds me of the just-concluded and outrageously ridiculous Ex-Factor on BB4.

BB was perfectly fine before they ruined it with that doofus idea of bringing the exes into the house.

I hope that buffoonery was a one-shot (failed) idea--I would rank this putrid outcast drivel that Burnett has gassed us with right down there alongside the Ex-Factor.

Reader234

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I'll agree that I like the twists, for many of the reasons others have already stated. Plus it gives a chance for some of the "nice" players to come back, and maybe break alliance of the "not so nice" players!! (*eg)

Ric, dont get me started on BB's problems, part of that stupid exfactor that I hated was the others were in the house already, and the other part is BB never choses from people who apply, they seem to be so set on typecasting actorwannnabees... wait, I said dont get me started!! lol

Amchess

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like the twist too. I love Thursday nights! I tape it for my grandson since his dad doesn't watch it, lol. He catches the school bus at my house and he makes sure he comes over early enough Friday morning to watch it. He's as hooked as I am.

Sia

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd have had different feelings about the twist had different people been involved. Personally, I despise Jon and if HE'd been voted out and slipped back into the game I'd have been madder'n a wet hen. Of course, I'm distraught that that <el> hasn't already been disposed of, but that's another story.

I like Burton and think he certainly deserves another chance at the big money. I agree withe post-er up-thread who said that both tribes started awfully early voting off the stronger members instead of the weak, non-playing tribemates. Osten, for example, should have been voted out long ago. Yes, he's strong in terms of brute strength but he hasn't been WILLING to pull his weight in terms of chores, etc. and he's been a whiny baby for too long.

I heard one of the CBS morning show hosts say that the two most recent Survivor rejects would be interviewed, meaning Osten and Shawn. That says to me that those two members are out of the game PERMANENTLY, or they wouldn't be available for interview. Maybe this means that there may be future competitions with the Ghost tribe/Outcasts and others of them may be voted back into the game later. Any thoughts on this?

Sunshyne4u

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sia- all of the previously evicted Contestants had their interviews after their "pretend" eviction from the tribe.
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I would imagine anything could happen this season. Please let it not be anything silly like a third member from Outkast be Guaranteed a spot in the final three, no matter what. It could happen...

Catfat

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe this twist is MBs way of trying to prevent the under-the-radar players from slipping through to win, ala Jenna, Tina, Veceptia.
I don't know why it makes me so mad, that is to see people who do nothing but sit quietly staying in the game while more productive, game-winning players get booted. I want to see action, head-to-head competition, with the people who win the competitions lasting the longest, not being booted because they are the best.
They do that on Weakest Link, with the result that the players who build the most money are voted off by the ones who are afraid of a little competition.
If this twist means that some stronger players get to come back in and prove their worth, I'm all for it.
I think.

Sia

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Me too, Catfat!! Well said.

Sunshyne, I think I've missed all the early-morning interviews with the previously-tossed Survivors because I am sleeping when the show is on! I think I saw someone interviewed on "Letterman," though he was just at Rupert Gee's Hello Deli and not in the actual CBS studio. I have no memory any more!!

Surfgirl

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 10:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I love the twist:)!! I hate the twist:(!! LOL
Love because it was such a shocker.. one of them OH MY GOD!!Moments!
But I have been a die hard Survior fan from season one..To me the twist is kinda like playing Monopoly, and all of a sudden you can buy Boardwalk for 5 bucks!
Instant rush then you think about it.. you just turned Boardwalk into.. well ..Sunset Blvd!!LOL Come away from it feeling good but a little seedy!

I do agree goes against the once your torch is out..and to a point, the outwit, outplay, outlast, guess a new out should be added on logo.. outkast..

But then again you have someone like Osten who should of never been allowed to stay as long as he did, and he never wanted to be there in the first place.. Outkast deserve a chance over him!
Pesonally I liked skinny Ryan from the beginning I would rofl if he won ! SO I love it, I hate it!!
hey I am a Gemini.. 2 sided lol

Surfgirl

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OH Yeah forgot to add.. I would agree with twist more if Outkast would of had exact same living conditions as remaining Surviors.. might of had similar diets but not stress and ect.. as others have posted

Surfgirl

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK.. all forgive me.. I havent posted in a week in babbling mode.. lol. Just one more thing to add!

I am dying to see how Outkast voteing turns out!Bet you there will be some snarky arguments there lol!
My predection.. Burton will Bully his way in, and Lil will give her vote to skinny Ryan and he will be in!

If that really was the case.. would love to see skinny Ryan go to Drake and him and Rupert hook up as alliance!

Enigma2

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 02:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Surfgirl: babble on. It's good stuff.

In my mind, I had seen Ryan S. supporting Lil?

But then, the mental image you have given me of Ryan S and Jon on the same team is -well- priceless. (I was recalling Jon ruddering that boat off toward the Panama Canal, combined with Ryan S. who, despite the fact that he's a nice guy, is almost totally incompetent...)