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Squaredsc

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kool an envoy. finally they give away something decent. as pamy said, you're right cruz. can't remember how many were left though.

Ladytex

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with what Adven said up the page. If we ignore him, he will disappear back under the rock he came from. He was a wrestler, and he seems to have decided to play the "villian" role in this. If anyone has watched wrasslin' you see characters like this all the time.

Seamonkey

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 10:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MsBat, I agree that they put the others on a different island so they could get footage of Jon and his buddy..

I just hope the promos about Jon's lie still affecting people this week doesn't mean they let him win the SUV.

Wilsonatmd

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 12:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it's not this week with the car, it's next week....Traditionally, the last RC is for a car, and it's at F5. The RC this week for final 6 is a night at a nearby spa/hotel, with massages, food, and air conditioning...they say the two people who win it (it's either teams of 2 or winner takes a guest, probably winner takes a guest) keep the air conditioning on full blast the entire night.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok folks, while Jon has done something that many consider way over the line and a bit sick, I need to ask folks to not post that they want to kill him, string him up, etc. No violence against others please.

Also, a reminder of no name calling. We can address actions all we want (someone can make a done mistake) but out of that we can't know they are dumb. That is a judgment about the person, not their actions. Attack the behavior, not the person.

thanks

Lisad

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 12:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance - Are you an official moderator here?

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 12:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lisad--yes, I am. I just post using my name instead of using the moderator name.

Fruitbat

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 04:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sea, Jeff said the lie did not effect the game. I take this to mean he did not benefit in any way. One can ascertain that he does not win either. I do think he is the bearded man in F3 however.

Again, I don't care about the lie. Anything goes in this game and it is only a game. It has hurt no one. He didn't even get a meal or shower out of the deal, thanks to their poor acting skills. "You didn't get the letter?" I still chuckle at that one.

Konamouse

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i was very surprised that they didn't offer the chance to "give it away" (as they have with other RC's this year), nor did they give any of them a meal (as they have done with other Family Visit RCs). i agree that the separation of the tribe was to get more stuff on camera about the "lie", and i think they kept Jeff in the dark about it (so it would not come out at Tribal Council). didn't Jeff say in recent interviews that there was a whopper of a lie but "it didn't affect the outcome of the game" and that he didn't know about it until after the show started to air????

'squeek'

Brenda1966

Monday, December 01, 2003 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I recall correctly, when Kathy won the "family" challenge there wasn't any reward other than her son coming back to camp with them. Anyone with a better memory recall?

I was surprised that the others were sent to suffer on another island. That couldn't have been thrown together on the fly because no one knew about the lie until Jon confessed to it to the camera, so the other island had to have been planned all along.

I'm still amazed that some people are so upset over this lie. I guess that just shows what a dark sense of humor I have. Jon amuses me.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 05:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Brenda, I don't think Kathy's son got anything more than a visit with the tribe either.

I think Jeff knew it was a lie immediately or at least strongly suspected. If moving the tribe to another location was part of the original plan I believe he would have mentioned it at the challenge. What would be the point not to? It would certainly give more incentive to win, if nothing else. It really smacked of a last minute change to me.

They wanted some footage of Jon and his friend together talking about the lie and hopefully more about Jons strategy.

Jon amuses me too.

Kaili

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Colby won the family visit one with his mom, he got a car but, if I remember correctly, he and his mom camped out together in the car away from the tribe.

Did you notice also that the tribe was taken to the other beach in the boat that they use for rewards transportation (and looting)? I wuld have thought if it was planned they would have gone back to camp and rowed themselves off to where ever. Seemed thrown together to me too.

Cruzlvr

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 06:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My memories are fuzzy but didn't Matt win a similar challenge and he and his mom were separated from the rest of the tribe? Like I said memories are fuzzy but I seem to recall this happening before where either the ones who didn't get the reward were sent somewhere else or the one who got it was. Anyone have better recall on this than me?
:)

Kaili

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 06:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I always thought it had been the winner and the family being away...having food, etc. Except in the years they had them spend the day with the tribe (whose son was it that just couldn't stand the whole camping thing?). Either way, when the family person comes, they still had private time. Helen and her husband took off together- I remember her talking about how badly she needed to talk with him about what she should do. The rest of the tribe even gave them a private area to sleep together.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 06:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The challenge has varied. Kathy's son and Helens husband got private time because they took a walk. They both got to visit with the tribe. Only Jon has been isolated.

Mack

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was an interesting "twist" that the rest of the tribe was sent out without much. Obviously the producers were trying to make them "suffer" and possibly brew some resentment. It's an old trick in group dynamics....have to wait to see how it works or doesn't work.

Brenda1966

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I'm in the minority again, but I don't think sending the others to suffer on the other island was a last minute thing. The interviews that Probts gave about the lie suggested he didn't know it was a lie until he saw the footage of Jon talking about it. The camera people always talk to the contestants in private confessionals -- they don't need to send the others away to do this. Also, they were given a map of the island, a machette and matches, does Jeff always carry these things in his pocket? Did they make everyone stand there for an hour while a props guy drew a map for them? :)

I agree Mack, this was a set up to see if those that suffer would resent the winner of the reward. Maybe in the future they won't be so ready give up a reward if they may get a punishment for losing.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good points both of you. I have now changed my mind.

Karuuna

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Was it Sean that got a trip on a yacht with his dad?

I think Brenda makes a good point, that if the tribe has to suffer, they aren't so likely to 'give up' on reward challenges.

Brenda1966

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Karuuna! :) We all know that some of them "throw" challenges to appear weaker than they are. I think many people have suggested long ago that there be penalties for losing. This was a penalty of sorts.

Yes, Sean did get a yacht trip with his dad and it was a total surprise that his dad was there. He won the challenge and then didn't go on the trip until the next day, after they had time to fly dad over there. I guess since the show is a success they have enough money to fly all the family members out there now. Were all the family members there in season 2? I don't remember.

Mack

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 01:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely Brenda....next time the members will think a little harder about being the "nice person" and throwing the challenge....especially knowing that this year it was at least partially thrown based on a lie. Jon has set a new standard for future survivors and if he wins the whole thing we'll probably see a string of Jon want-to-be's like with BB and Dr. Will.

Bob2112

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry this got a bit long, but I started looking at the old luxury challenges that either involved a family member or large prize, and this is what I ended up with. Not sure if it helps the discussion, but it was a nice trip down memory lane.

Unless I missed it, Survivor 3 (Africa) has been the only survivor that did not include at least one family member (or friend) visiting.

Survivor 1: Episode 9: Out on a Limb

Description: Castaways navigate a ropes course set up in the jungle canopy. First castaway to collect 16 medallions - one for each segment of the course - wins

Winning Castaway Gets: Barbecue dinner, letters from home.

Winning Castaway: Colleen Haskell, who took Jenna Lewis

Colleen's first prize was a barbecue dinner for two, as well as the receipt of letters from family back home. As winner she was given the right to choose her companion, who would also receive a packet of letters. "Jenna," Colleen stated without hesitation, given that Jenna did not get to see a tape of her family in the previous week's challenge.


Survivor 1: Episode 11: Survivor Quiz Show

Description: Castaways answer a variety of questions about island living.

Winning Castaway Gets: A night on the Sipadan Princess.

Winning Castaway: Sean Kenniff (dinner with dad, takes Richard Hatch for breakfast)

Survivor's ultimate reward challenge went to Sean, when he won a night aboard a luxury yacht. Competitors were asked simple survival questions concerning life in Borneo. Several were about snakes, fresh water, leeches. In the end, Sean beat out Richard for the prize.
Not only did Sean eagerly board the yacht, but he was soon stunned to be greeted by his father. The two men enjoyed a leisurely dinner together, then spent the night drinking. Rich joined them for breakfast in the morning.

Survivor 2: Episode 12: SURVIVOR.COM

Description: The Survivors communicate with their loved ones via the Internet. They will each ask their loved ones a series of survival-based questions. The Survivor whose loved ones answer the most questions correctly wins.

Winner Gets: 30-minute private chat with family and a $500 Internet shopping spree courtesy of VISA to buy gifts from afar for the loved ones.

Winner: Tina Wesson

One wouldn't think that in the middle of the Australian Outback it would be possible to chat online with loved ones from home. But thanks to technology, that's exactly what the Survivors were able to do at the Outback Internet Café. Host Jeff Probst explained that each Survivor would be able to say a quick hello to their families; then, their loved ones would play a game in which they would answer questions online. The Survivor whose family answered the most questions correctly would win a 30-minute online chat with the family and a $500.00 Internet shopping spree with which to buy gifts, using a VISA card, in order to send their love back home.

One by one, each Survivor tearfully greeted their loved ones. Rodger pointed out that the men were crying most of all. Then, they played the game, and it was Tina Wesson whose family answered the most questions correctly.

Before Tina began her 30-minute chat with her family, the Survivors were given one more opportunity to say goodbye, and in a surprise to all, Keith Famie proposed marriage to his girlfriend back home in Michigan. "I can only think of one important question that came to me as a shooting star shot across the sky at the late hours of the night," he typed. "Will you marry me?" Everyone waited for the answer, and then it appeared: "Yes!" And a newly engaged Survivor and chef walked off into the sunset with the others.

Survivor 2: Episode 13: SURVIVOR PENTATHLON

Description: The Survivors must race through a multi-stage course comprising several key elements from past challenges, including being blindfolded and shackled, walking on a beam, solving a puzzle, and starting a fire.

Winner Gets: A hot meal, a warm shower, and a new car: a Pontiac Aztek, to sleep in overnight, and to take home to the United States

Winner: Colby Donaldson

The Survivors met host Jeff Probst for their final reward challenge, "Survivor Pentathlon," a course comprising several key elements from past challenges, including being blindfolded and shackled, walking on a beam, solving a puzzle, and starting a fire. The prize was the biggest yet: a hot meal, a warm shower, and a new car, a Pontiac Aztek, not just to sleep in for the night, but to own back in the United States.
Upon arriving at his reward, Colby was brought to his new car, which, due to its special design, had already been converted into a tent for sleeping purposes. "How wild is this thing? This is unbelievable; I won a new car!" Little did the Cowboy know that the car wasn't the biggest reward he was to receive. When host Jeff Probst called for Colby's dinner to be brought out to him, Colby was shocked to see who was delivering his food: It was the Colbster's mom! Picking her up and hugging her in disbelief, Colby exclaimed, "What are you doing here? I am so happy to see you!" Colby and his mother enjoyed their meal as they caught up on Colby's experiences.

The next morning, Colby found himself enjoying one more luxury, a hot shower. "By far the most refreshing shower I have ever had. I had no idea that having a hot shower would feel so good!"

Survivor 3: Episode 12: Swahili Scramble

Description: The Survivors search for words among a jumble of letters on a giant board. The words intersect and share letters. Once all the words have been found, the intersecting letters unscramble to form a winning word. First Survivor to decipher the winning word wins.

Winner Gets: A new Chevy Avalanche, and the opportunity to drive the new vehicle, stocked with a year's worth of medical supplies, to a nearby AIDS hospital.

Winner: Lex van den Berghe

Gathering in front of five large boards covered with rows of letters, host Jeff Probst explained the rules. Working from a list, Survivors had to find Swahili words hidden in letters on their boards. Each word intersected with another, sharing a letter. When all 9 words were circled, the group had to unscramble the 9 intersecting letters and discover the answer to a given clue. First one to do so would be the winner of an as-yet-to-be revealed prize. Perhaps inspired by the letters from home, Lex clinched the Reward Challenge and won a brand new Chevy Avalanche. The second part of his reward was the opportunity to drive the new vehicle, stocked with a year's worth of medical supplies, to a nearby AIDS hospital.

Survivor 4: Episode 11: Turtle Roll

Description: The Survivors' loved ones take their places on a large turtle-shaped game board. Taking turns, they move from one piece to the next, flipping over the piece they previously stood on, revealing the color green. Once a person cannot step anywhere but on a green piece, they are out of the game. The last person remaining on a non-green piece wins.

Winner Gets: To stay overnight at Soliantu Beach

Winner: Patrick (Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien 's son)

As the game progressed, one by one, each Survivor was allowed to hug their loved one good bye as they left the game. Finally, after a close finish, it was Kathy's son Patrick who won the game. Jeff informed the tribe and a highly emotional Kathy that her son would be joining the tribe for an overnight stay at Soliantu Beach.

Survivor 4: Episode 12: Second Chance

Description: Competing in elements from past challenges, the Survivors must race to complete the following: Gather pieces of a tiki and correctly rebuild it; crack open coconuts and drain the juice into a hollow tube; untie stilts from a tree high above the ground; walk ten feet on the stilts without falling; find a coconut containing a key that opens a chest containing a slingshot; use the slingshot to launch a rock at an hourglass-shaped structure with a tiki underneath it; break the panel releasing enough sand to completely cover their own tiki. The first person to cover their tiki with sand wins.

Winner Gets: Saturn VUE

Winner: Sean Rector

Despite the physical and mental fatigue he displayed earlier in the day, Sean proved that, given a second chance, he wouldn't make the same mistakes twice. He breezed through the course with little competition at all, gaining speed, momentum and finally victory. "I can do all things through Christ," Sean shouted.

Survivor 5: Episode 11: Thai Menu

Description: In this Challenge, the Survivors' loved ones test their ability to stomach ancient Thai delicacies. If a loved one cannot finish, or chooses not to eat, they are eliminated. The final round consists of an eating race: first person to completely swallow both a boiled tarantula and a scorpion wins.

Winner Gets: 24 hours with a loved on from home

Winner: Helen Glover's husband Jim

After arriving at the Chuay Jai camp, Helen's husband Jim received the full tour of what would be his home for the next 24 hours. "I was surprised at how proud they were at what they had done with their camp. This is not the Helen that I know," explained Helen's shocked husband Jim. As the couple slept together under the mosquito net for the first time in over a month, Helen explained her emotions; "You have no idea that not having family out here with us is actually physically painful. You just don't know it until you get out here just how huge family is."

Survivor 5: Episode 12: Letter Hunt

Description: Racing to gather letters, the Survivors must collect eight letters from various stations along the way. Once they have collected all the letters, the must unscramble them to form the word "Road Trip." First person to successfully collect and unscramble the letter to form the word "Road Trip" wins a new truck and a day at the spa with a companion of their choice.

Winner Gets: A new Chevy Trailblazer, a full Thai dinner, a shower, and massage

Winner: Ted Rogers, who shared his Reward with Helen

The Challenge began as the five competitors raced frantically to gather the appropriate letters. Clay took an early lead, finding a correct letter in a bin of Thai letters, and arrived at the second, word-solving, phase in the lead pack with Brian. Helen and Ted, however, were right behind them, and soon arrived to try and unscramble the words. Having figured out the puzzle, Brian raced to place his letters in the correct order, but misspelled the phrase "Road Trip" and yelled it out aloud, giving Ted the correct answer. Ted capitalized on Brian's error and in a flash had the phrase spelled correctly. He had won the new truck and chose Helen to join him for a night at the spa.

Survivor 6: Episode 11: PADDLE

Description: The Survivors race while paddling in local fishing boats to a floating station where they must answer certain survival questions. Once a Survivor paddles out in the river to their station and answers their question correctly, they must paddle back to assemble a puzzle. First person to answer the question correctly and solve the puzzle wins.

Winner Gets: Visit from a loved one

Winner: Matthew Von Ertfelda and mother

As the Challenge began, Heidi and Butch Lockley, the 50-year-old middle school principal from Olney, Illinois were immediately eliminated because they couldn't find the paddles. Matthew Von Ertfelda, the 33-year-old restaurant designer from Washington, DC, used his command of the canoe to his advantage as he took an early lead while the others struggled. Rob soon retrieved the correct bag of puzzle pieces, raced back to shore and competed against Matthew to complete the puzzle. However, Matthew's early lead gave him the time advantage he needed to solve the puzzle first and win the Reward Challenge.

In a yet another twist to the game, host Jeff Probst offered Matthew a proposition: "If you are willing to give up your visit from your mother, I will make sure that your five other tribemates will all get a visit from their loved ones." In an apparently selfless act, Matthew sacrificed the good of the individual for the good of the group and allowed his tribe to embrace their loved ones as they came running out from around the corner. After allowing the friends and family members a chance to talk with the teary-eyed Survivors, they were soon sent away. However, not wanting Matthew's noble act to go unrewarded, Jeff surprised the group again when Matthew's mother arrived on her own boat. "You and your mom will have a night together at an Amazonian tribal village," Jeff explained.

Survivor 6: Episode 12: TRY AGAIN

Description: Using elements of past and future Challenges, the Survivors compete in a five-stage race.
Stage 1: Untie knots to open the door of a three-sided cage
Stage 2: Solve a flip-out puzzle
Stage 3: Swing on a rope across a riverbed
Stage 4: Solve a decoder puzzle to retrieve a key to unlock the flying fox
Stage 5: Fly down the flying fox pulley and retrieve the keys to the car
First person to successfully complete the five stages and retrieve the car keys wins.

Winner Gets: A new Saturn ION™ and barbeque for two.

Winner: Matthew Von Ertfelda

As the Challenge began, Butch, Rob and Matthew Von Ertfelda, the 33-year-old restaurant designer from Washington, D.C., all forged an early lead as they escaped the cage. The decoder puzzle proved to be the defining point of the Challenge when Matthew took the lead and never looked back, flinging himself down the flying fox line to retrieve his keys and win the new Saturn ION.

Survivor 7: Episode 11: Loved Ones Overboard

Description: In this Q&A, each Survivor's Loved One starts at the end of his/her plank. Each Survivor that answers a question correctly can send a tribemate's Loved One one step backward on their plank. Four steps backward and they are in the drink. The last Survivor with a Loved One still remaining on their plank wins.

Winner Gets: To live at the Balboa camp with his or her loved one for 24 hours.

Winner: Jon Dalton

The first loved one sent jumping into the ocean was Sandra's husband, followed by Christa's fiancé, then Darrah's boyfriend, followed by Burton's mother and Tijuana's friend. With only Lillian's husband and Jon's friend left, it was up to Burton Roberts, the 31-year-old marketing executive from San Francisco, California, to decide which one would get to stay for the night. Considering Jon's unfortunate situation, Burton chose Lillian's husband, who became to the final loved one to jump from the plank into the ocean.

As Jon hugged his best friend, he learned that they would share the camp on their own. The rest of the Balboa tribe would not get any more time with their loved ones and would be banished to a separate remote island for the night with nothing but matches and a machete.

Whoami

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 11:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Awesome compilation Spongie! Thanks for reviving my memory!

Serate

Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe sending the "losers" to the other island to suffer wasn't planned out in advance but also wasn't a last minute thought when the producers figured out that Jon lied. Maybe whoever won would take his family member back to camp with the others, then as soon as the producers saw that the game was going to be thrown so Jon would win they came up with the idea of punishing the "losers" for not trying. They had the time it took to play out the game to get the matches and machete to give to Jeff. And as far as the map I'm sure all islands nearby that could possibly be used in the game already had maps made for them.

Just a thought, because to me it really looked like it was an unplanned change to seperate the winner and his friend from the losers.

Kep421

Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Serate...It looked totally unplanned to me.

And I think the reward would have been very different if one of the others had won. Since quite a few returned loved ones were fiances and lovers, I think they planned to have the winner and loved one secluded in a little love nest somewhere.

They couldn't send Jon and friend to the island with NOTHING, as that would be a clear signal to the others that something wasn't right. So they had no choice but to do what they did.

Just my thought on it...

Zgoodgirl

Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Kep. We don't know how long the time frame was between Jon winning and Jon knowing the reward. Usually they get a dinner or something, or are swept away to another location, such as Matt (his name?) last year with his mother, giving up his win for the other tribe mates to spend time with their loved ones, in return, getting a better reward in the end (dinner with his mom). The ending of this reward looked like a last minute effort to make it not as great as it would have been if it was won by a more deserving member in a more deserving way...

Just like on that same show, Burton's immunity was stripped away, but amazingly, another puzzle was set up for D, L, and S to try again. What seemed like minutes for us viewers, could have possibly been hours. Just a thought.