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Ophiliasgrandma

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute.

I believe he has had health problems with chronic pneumonia and it scares him witless to think he might get it again. I don't blame him one bit. From personal experience I know first-hand how terrifying it can be to think you are dying and there is nothing that can be done about it...wondering if your next breath is going to be the last because of pneumonia.

Realfan

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it was strategy at all. He really wanted to leave. If he hadn't been so obviously strong, it would be a death knell to utter such words.

And why try to bamboozle Ryan? Ryan knew he was vulnerable. So what if he knew ahead of time that he was targeted? Very poor, if it was intentional strategy, to needlessly put yourself at risk by saying you want to go. He didn't know that Ryan wouldn't be able to garner support to boot him to the curb.

Also, common sense and training in economics are not the same thing. (ITA, Lil, I've known very "dumb" people with a lot of letters behind their names!).

Grooch

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OG, I had been thinking about that also. (If he had been really sick one time before.)

10 years ago I came down with a very bad case of bronchitis, and for a few years later, I would always come down with it again around the same time. (Never had a problem before.) Thankfully, it has finally gone away, but I am always very careful around that time of year to not do anything that might make me sick again.

So I can definitely understand if that is the case.

Happymom

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's too hard to tell what Osten's mental capapcity is. From what I gather from Grooch's post, Osten's father is the one who grad. Magna Cum Laude. That is very impressive, but isn't that his father?

There are some highly intelligent people who never went to college. There are many people of very average intelligence who have college degrees. Most anyone can work really hard and be a college grad.

Grooch, you may be right, maybe that is Osten's strategy, but I agree with Lori, if that was his strategy, he took a huge risk.

Having said all that, I think it's very hard to really tell much about anything because it is so highly edited.

Denecee

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What I don't get is that if Osten really wanted to be booted off, why would he vote Skinny Ryan off? He knew the others might vote Ryan off, so he should have voted somebody else. BTW, can a survivor vote themselves off?

Grooch

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, it was his father who graduated Magna Cum Laude, but Osten inherited his father's brains, I bet you!

He wasn't trying to bamboozle Ryan. He is trying to bamboozle the entire team to make them believe he is not a threat!

Btw, the rumors are that Osten makes it very far in the game, so his strategy must be working. :)

Happymom

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not 100% sure, but I don't think they are allowed to vote themselves off.

Well, the apple doesn't usually fall too far from the tree, I do agree with that.

I do think it was better to keep Osten over Ryan S. at this point. A whiner with a bad attitude and good physical shape is more of an asset than someone who just can't keep it going physically in this game. Ryan S. even said he thought he was giving it 120% during the challenge last week with the canon pulling.

Lorry

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was soooo disappointed in Osten, until I read Gooch's post. Makes a lot of sense! I'm hoping Gooch is right, as I really liked Osten (oh ok.. I really really admired his body... especially his nice behind.

I'm going to keep the idea that it was all strategy... (thanks Gooch)

Kep421

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Osten is feeling the effects of their environment more than the others, BECAUSE of his buffness. He is used to workouts and a high protein diet. The fact that he has no or very little fat stores to draw from means his body is pulling energy from his muscles instead. This can make you feel worse and if your level of maturity isn't up to par, these bad feelings can show up in your attitude. JMHO...

Lorry

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My real concern is that IF Osten really wants to leave, he might sabotage the next challenge just so he gets voted off. That would be awful for the Morgan team, and their moral would dwindle even more then it has.

Grooch

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yay, Lorry! :)

Texannie

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was a total ruse by him.

Grooch

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yay, Texannie! :)

I've got 2 on the bandwagon with me, now. I better be right.

Squaredsc

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Grooch

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoo! Hoo! It's party time now!

Though Rupert is my main man. :)

Lori

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It did sound as though Osten (I love that name BTW) had had pneumonia in the past. If he is prone to pneumonia, why in the world would he sign up for Survivor?

Curious...do you have to be 100% health wise to be on Survivor? I have never seen a Survivor take any meds...not even an inhaler for asthma.

Tishala

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to second Lorry's opinion about Osten's butt. DAMN!

I think Osten is funny, smart, and is a good manipulator--in a good sense. I'm shouting from the rooftops: GO OSTEN!

Lumbele

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can't make up my mind on what his real reason was for wanting or saying he wanted to leave, but I think it left a very sour taste in his team's mouths.
It's his physique that saved his butt, pardon the pun, and I am glad for Square's sake, otherwise I'd say get rid of the bum.
If his reason was because of a prior health issue, why did he apply? He must have known that things can get pretty hairy on Survivor at times.
ed. I need to refresh before posting. Didn't mean to repeat Lori's thought.

Enigma2

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 12:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope that I'm not being unfair here, but I simply think that Osten is a 'wimp'. By being on Survivor, he has found that he has bit off a bit more than he cares to chew.

(Unlike Drake, Morgan is not feasting on an abundance of fish. They are hungry. And Osten wants to go home to a good steak.}

Also, Survivor seems to keep a doctor on staff. If Osten had any serious health problems, the producers would be too afraid of a law suit to ignore him.

Not1worry

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with Enigma. The past has proven you don't have to be a master strategist to get far in the game, sometimes you just get lucky.

Kizz

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel like I say this every season now! I have HAD IT with these idiots who start crying about their bodies "giving out" on Day 3! We are now up to Survivor 7! Why are there still people coming on the show who don't make the least little effort to prepare themselves physically, don't practice making fire, don't know how to SWIM!?! Guess it makes more interesting TV, more drama and conflict. And Grooch, I had the same thought last night, that Osten was gambling on his ability to cause a diversion from his physical strength. Wouldn't his chronic pneumonia have come up on the pre-screening physical and eliminated him from consideration? I always understood potential contestants were screened like crazy medically. That's why I think he's full of BS. Or maybe Christa's right and he's just a big puss.

Hermione69

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to cast my vote with those that he think he was just being a sore loser/cry-baby because he didn't like losing 4 times in a row. It didn't strike me as strategy at all. I bet once Morgan finally gets that first RC or IC win he will start singing a different tune.

If it is strategy, I am not impressed. Like I mentioned in another post, I like it when people show pluck. Who was it on Morgan that was saying, "Yeah, man this is the way it goes, this is the game!" with this really great attitude after Sandra took their tarp? Wasn't that Andrew? That's what I like to see. I thought most of Morgan was being the sorriest bunch of sore losers when Sandra came over. What did they expect her to do? Take a seashell?

Hermione69

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But I also have to say that I love reading your theories, Grooch! I will never forget our evil immunity idol debate!

Hermione69

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh!My!Heck! You still have it in your profile! I just checked! ROFLMAO!

Dkstar2162

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 05:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
if Osten has been sick before why would he even attempt to be a survivor. If HE is giving clues to a sickness he had why did CBS take a risk with him? I think he could be the one with the big lie unless somebody else here knows otherwise. I remember when mike? i think thats his name fell asleep by the fire they did have a medvac unit come in and whisk him away. So why would he even make such a big deal then knowing that there are medics there? I think there is much more to him but then again i can be sooooo wrong. Its just my theory from the episode. Can't wait for next Thursday :)