Does Lil really believe everyone loves her?
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Cassie

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are those his pins in the middle? LOLOL

Teachmichigan

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO>>>>mental pause indeed!! I've got to remember that! It'll explain a LOT of my behavior to others! (and I'm too young yet to use the menopause excuse...how handy to have a backup!) Thanks Fanny! :)

Alegria

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guess which ones are Lil's. :)

Warrenn

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think one thing that made people dislike Lil was how she was opportunistic with the whole Boy Scout thing. If she wanted to show that she was good, she would talk about being involved with the Scouts. But then when people bring up the issues with lying, she says that she's not representing the Scouts in the game. So she wants the benefits from being involved with the Scouts without the responsibility.

Eliz87

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just can't figure Lil out.

During the questioning last night, I felt really bad for her because they were picking at her so hard about the Scouts thing. I mean, she was only wearing her uniform because she didn't know they were going to go straight to the game right? I'm sure Andrew (was it Andrew?) wouldn't have worn his Armani suit and Rupert wouldn't have worn his thick black jeans had they known they were going to be "shipwrecked" that day, so I didn't think it was fair for them to be all over Lil for the darn Boy Scouts suit.

HOWEVER...Why oh WHY did she have to wear it to the finale and reunion???

Nonconformist

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz,

I was thinking the same thing. She went on and on about how she wouldn't have worn the uniform if she had it to do over again. But she chose to wear it to the finale. Weird.

Spygirl

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They had to wear the same thing for the finale that they were wearing on the island - it has been that way ever since they started the live results part of the show. Didn't you guys notice that Sandra was wearing another orange suit? Didn't you guys notice what everyone else was wearing??? LOL That's why she was wearing her scouts suit.

Denecee

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like what Lil said in the finale. IMO, she redeemed herself.

Marameko

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am glad Lil got as far as she did, but happier that Sandra won.

Crossfire

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lil is free to make her decisions however she chooses, but I am not happy with how she selected her final opponent.

It is my preference that needs, wants, or lifestyle not be part of the decision making process.

For her to eliminate Jon on account of his lifestyle seems out of bounds to me, and I am not at all unhappy that she paid for it in the end.

Nearly all of her reasons seemed not to be game related, she picked because he was single without offspring, because he drank (did she not get loopy one episode?), because she felt Sandra needed the money etc...

Glad I was not on the show. Who knows, maybe she does not like internet addicts either.

Meh!

Amchess

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She shouldn't have gone into detail, she should have just left it at "I didn't think the jury would vote for an outcast so I chose who I thought most deserved the money." She didn't need to trash Jon, lol.

Lancecrossfire

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon needs trashing at any opprotunity--lol.

Woodpecke®

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Outplay, Outwit, Outlast. She played poorly, she's a <LC>, and she lasted long enough to hand all the money to someone else. Very selfish woman. And she repeatedly refers to herself in the third person. "That's just Lil being Lil."

Lancecrossfire

Monday, December 15, 2003 - 01:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wood wrote:

"and she lasted long enough to hand all the money to someone else. Very selfish woman."

Sounds like a contradiction.

If she played poorly, the others played even worse--she lasted longer than the rest.

Beruthiel

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 03:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Lill had said, "That's just me being me," rather than using the third person so often, would it have made a difference? Maybe not, but since so many of us found it weird, perhaps we need someone with psychiatric knowledge to tell us what it reveals about her as a person.
I'm sure she's a kind and giving woman, but she's definitely odd in some indefinable way which made me look askance at her after she returned to the game. She seemed to be not quite all there, as we Brits say.
The only time I admired her was for her attitude to Jon during the final days - that showed she was normal!

Cassie

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Beruthiel. So true about her finally looking "normal." About the use of the third person when referring to oneself...I used to work with a woman who constantly did that...it creeped me out. She was also a very unlikeable, Miss Goody-Two Shoes personality type who just happened to think that her sh*t didn't stink! I'd love to know what the head-shrinkers make of it.

Cricket

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL @ Beruthiel's post. You're right...she finally seemed to wake up when she saw Jon as the person he was. When she first came back, Jon got ahold of her and she helped get Rupert out.

There definitely was something 'ODD' about her when she came back in the game. I'm curious also about her using the third person. What does that mean?

Lori

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL...I know a man who constantly refers to himself in the third person. I think it is very weird and it does creep me out. I wonder what a psychiatrist would say about it!

Happymom

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bob Dole referred to himself in the 3rd person often.

I'm not sure what that says about him or about Lil, but I just thought I'd add it!

I really liked Sandra, she also referred to herself as "Sandra", although, maybe she only did this after listening to Lill call herself "Lill."

Beruthiel! Welcome back! You really hit the nail on the head (not a Brit. term I'm sure!) when you said Lill is odd in some indefinable way. ITA.

Starshine40

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I felt that Sandra really felt that everyone "loved" Lil and would vote for Lil if she was in F2. Remember when she made that statement a few tribal councils back? Burton also commented when he and Jon voted for Lil that he didn't want to be up against her as F2. Then Darrah apparently also believed that Lil was unbeatable in F2 and that's why she ended up getting voted out at F4.... I honestly believe that Lil did not have the friends on the jury that she thought she had and only had a chance of winning in the end against Jon (if then). Glad Lil did end up being a "nice" person and took Sandra to F2. I honestly believed Sandra deserved the prize... she played the game to win.

Allietex

Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 08:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There was a question I kept wanting someone to ask Lil when she kept pressuring other people to say if they would take her to the finals. Not one of them turned it around on her and asked "Lil, if you win the last immunity challege will you take me to the final two?"

It would have been interesting for example for Darrah to ask her that in front of Jon and Sandra and see if she would commit herself. I guess no one even considered that she might win the final challenge. If they watched the show at all, they probably knew the final challenge was always a stamina thing and just figured she had no chance.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Allietex. I didn't think of that either!

This is not original, someone else said it and I have not read the entire thread, so it may be here.

Lil probably would not have won had she taken Jon and that was confirmed on the radio this morning with Howard Stern. Jon and Sandra were guests and they said that only Sandra and Rupert would have voted for Lil. The show of hands at the reunion was not acurate.

The other non original thought was that Lil really did think she would win no matter who she took and she just wanted Sandra to have the second place money.