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Neko

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 05:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think Osten's "fraility" is The BIG LIE...
Because it did start Episode 2 and it was a major thing.
Plus it's been on going since then...

The only thing that showed any strength, was when he was against Rupert.
And he did MUCH better than I would ever had.
LOL

Texannie

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 05:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But, if Osten consistantly shows himself to be a weak link, doesn't he risk being voted off just for that reason?

Gen

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten appears to be pulling a Shawna (Amazon). Begging to leave, but knowing that they won't vote him out because they need him. I agree with those who think he is throwing challenges. Standing up and sinking his own boat; losing the challenge with Rupert just as Rupert was starting to fail are just two more examples. If he plays his cards right, picking and choosing which challenges to win after the merge, he can cover his tracks and go a long way.

Missy2

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't get it....why would you keep someone who is clearly such a stinker. I don't buy that he is faking this weakness...but I'm dying to find out what the lie is...


ack!

Weinermr

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember when Osten was running around without his pants? Maybe the Big Lie is.....

prosthetics

Lorry

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMBO@Weinermr!!! Too clever.

Why do I get the feeling that the big lie is that there is no big lie? Do you suppose that once again it's the producers that are behind it? It would just be so typical that they are blowing up some little incident in order to produce all this drama. lol

Jeep

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right Lorry. I hope this isn't a big let down, like "the tribal council not to be missed". I didn't think it was anything special, I've seen better ones.

Jane_Bond

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that Osten is sabataging things.

- he sabatages challenges so that Drake can see that he's not much of a threat but he is just manly enough to his tribe to be thought of as someone who will be good in the right situation. So Morgan keeps him on for his potential, he is thought to be not a threat to the Drake tribe and post-merger he can defy his frailty and win ICs.

- his talks about MLK being his role model make me think that he has more fortitude than he's displaying so far in the game.

- my spidey senses are tingling and they are usually right - something is off about Osten

Enigma2

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know. I'm sort-or against the Osten-as-the-big-lie theory. Maybe it's just that Osten is already so low in my personal opinion poll, that I'm starting to have pity for him.

I'm tending to think of the Rupert who stole from the Morgan raft; the Rupert who stated that he was catching fish so that people would be obligated to him. Rupert could be thinking of safe-guarding himself after the merge. He is in a perfect position as 'house-guest' at the villa da Morgan to start dissensions. He could lie to -say- Osten and say that Shawn thinks that Osten is a wuss, and that Shawn has said that he would want to get rid of Osten as soon as possible after a merge. Rupert could lie to Andrew and tell him that –say– Michelle thinks that Andrew is an old man, and wants to get rid of him as soon as possible after a merge. This would be a series of lies which would ultimately protect Rupert, while pre-conditioning the Morganites to voting out the people whom Rupert already dislikes. Yes, it is brutal. But this is a game to be won...

And I think that the above would qualify for all of Probst's interview remarks...And, of course, it's all conjecture...

Azlen

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Osten's frailty is the big lie at all. Acting weak in the beginning is the surest way of getting voted out. If the Drakes hadn't thrown the immunity challenge than Osten would have been odds on favorite to be booted out. There is no brillance in acting weak early on and it surely wouldn't rank up there in the greatest lies ever told on Survivor.

Texasdeb

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the lie teller is Osten, Rupert, or Jon for any of the reasons that have been mentioned. I don't think it's a female. I just hope whoever & whatever it is doesn't have a negative effect on Rupert staying until the end.

Kitt

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The way Jeff P talks about this, it's as if it's an ongoing thing, as if it was something like Lil not actually being a scoutmaster, or like last year, the girl who was deaf was actually pretending... something that potentially affects how the others treat them. But I can't think of anything like that going on at the moment.

Intriguing :).

Neko

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

or like last year, the girl who was deaf was actually pretending




What?

Tess

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 05:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Neko, that was just an example of what would be a "big lie". I'm sure Kitt's not saying that Christie isn't really deaf. TVCH members have met her in person so we know for certain she's really deaf and very, very cool.

Texasdeb

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Neko, Kristi from Sur.6 was deaf - Kitt was just using this as a scenerio.IMO I think this "lie" has to be something as remarkable as IF that would have happened. Gosh, I can't figure out what it will be.

Auntiemike

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't get the observation that someone made about Osten out of my mind. This was when he was "drowning". I, too, thought that he was not really in distress. Underwater he seemed to be able to keep his head above water the entire time and was kicking his legs. He just didn't seem like he was in such a bad state as "near drowning". Even his "recovery" on the beach could have been faked. It's easy enough to act distressed and heave a lot, as if you are exhausted and frightened.

I think he is the BIG LIE and that he is fooling everyone. He is buff enough that people think he will be strong but he has whimped out of quite a few challenges.

The big lie may be revealed as they merge (I assume he will make it that far) and then he really "recovers" quickly to save his butt enough times to get pretty far in the game. I would hate to see him win but wonder about him.

I guess that I'm just puzzled enough by him to think this would also throw Jeff off. He may have Jeff's sympathy now and when Jeff finds out what Osten is up to may, in fact feel snookered enough to say "M-------f", and then show admiration for the "game playing."

My two cents worth. And don't forget, pennies are worth much these days! :-)

Texasdeb

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm pretty much leaning w/you, Auntie. I'm thinking Osten's faking is THE LIE.

Cinbins

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting concept... and observation.

Hmmmmmm...

Pamy

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Osten is the big lie he is taking a huge risk. Unless he wins all IC after the merge Drake will pagong him. I just don't see him faking weakness as the lie. I also agree with some that we are proly gonna be disappointed when we find out what it is.

Sunshyne4u

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 01:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I am still wondering who is the "token" gay person they usually cast. Could this be the big LIE?? Is someone transgender?? Ryan O has such a slim build, delicate face and those BIG EYES with long lashes! maybe he was born a woman. (Just a theory!)

Missy2

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 05:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We probably will be disappointed because Jeff thought that Jenna was a great winner and she was a HUGE disappointment for me! Rob would have been the best winner...oh well.

Grooch

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 06:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Jeff say that the players don't know about the big lie yet, but when it comes out, they will all be really pissed?

Maris

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe someone applied using a friends biography. So Rupert may not be a counsellor and may in fact be an ex con who is using someone elses biography.

Lorry

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm surprised that the "Smoking Gun" has not revealed the big lie... which leads me to believe, there is really not a big lie. lol

Lorry

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I need to clarify my post above.

For instance, if Osten is faking swimming.. the gun would surely reveal that he was on the swim team in college, or high school... get the idea?

If like Maris suggests, Rupert, or one of the others faked their application or their identity, surely the gun would reveal that also.

I just have this feeling that the big lie is a little white lie... a fib.. and the real "big lie" is the fact that Jeff is the one that lied..lol