Archive through October 13, 2003
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Archive through October 13, 2003
Lorry | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 08:53 am     OK... I'm sure everyone has heard that one of the survivors has concocted a whopper of a fib... so big, and bad, that it even had Jeff fooled.. and then he fell on the ground.. both laughing and cursing at the same time. The questions arise. Who told the Big Lie? What was the Big Lie? Any speculation???? |
Gen | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 09:34 am     Lorry, I tend to agree with the speculation that Osten is the Big Lier. The Big Lie is that he is not a physical threat. He can't swim. He almost drowned. He is so tired. He might catch pneumonia. He is so weak from lack of food. Me thinks that the pecs, biceps, and thighs say differently. This guy is playing with the competitors heads. |
Woofy | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 10:01 am     I'd read somewhere (Lord knows where) that it was Jon who concocted "da big lie." Sheesh |
Lorry | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 10:05 am     Gen, I too thought Osten was full of it.. just faking all that ineptness... but after reading so many other points of view... I'm not sure now. I'm wondering if the big lie is something concocted by Jon. He's sooooo cocky, I just have to think he has something up his sleeve. (that is IF he had a sleeve) hehe You know, no one is really paying much attention to the girls... wonder if one of them is involved? Michelle maybe? She's mighty quiet... Darrah? |
Lorry | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 10:06 am     Come on Woofy.... you can break it to us...lol In what way was Jon involved? What do YOU think his lie would be??? I'm determined that we solve this mystery...hehe |
Niceguy | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 12:37 pm     I still harbor that Osten is playing everyone too, Gen. It's mighty risky. With Rupert in the Morgan camp we'll see what new dynamics are going to be introduced. |
Enigma2 | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 12:46 pm     I tend to agree with Woofy and Lorry. Jon seems to be the most likely person to lie. And I do seem to recall reading somewhere of a Jon lie, but it doesn't seem dramatic enough to warrant Probst's comments. Jon listed his occupationa as "art consultant." I gather that there is not a bit of truth in this. A lie: yes. Worthy of even being mentioned: no. |
Pamy | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 12:55 pm     What shocked me the most about this lie story is that JP called the person a M. F-er when he found out then went on to say that it was genius. I still can't picture JP saying those words but if he did I can see him calling Jon that but not Osten. |
Enigma2 | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 01:14 pm     I also recall reading a link (somewhere in this room) that four of the Survivors have police records (am not going to mention who 'cause that would be a spoiler. Right?) I could see that an elaboration of one of these might get Probst to use foul language –but not a designation of 'genius.' Nope, I'm going back to my original theory: Rupert is really a woman. |
Teachmichigan | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 08:00 pm     Ok...with school, building a house, children, pets, English papers to grade, etc. I have NOT heard about this "big lie." Will someone point me in the direction of a linkie that will have a tad bit more info than is being referred to here? Thanks. |
Azriel | Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 08:10 pm     Teach, I can't find the link to the article but here is a copy of it. LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - After six turns as the host of "Survivor," Jeff Probst pretty much knows his job cold. Every now and then, though, something on the show catches him by surprise. That happened during his stint off the coast of Panama for "Survivor: Pearl Islands," the seventh edition of the game, which premieres at 8 p.m. ET Thursday (Sept. 18) on CBS. For a time, he says he fell for "the greatest lie ever told on 'Survivor.' " "It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me," says Probst, who, naturally, won't divulge who told the lie or what its ramifications were. "My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,' and then my second reaction was 'Wow, that's amazing.' " |
Enigma2 | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 01:31 am     Azriel: Thanks. Your post 'inspired' me to search further. Here is a bit more of the same article: (Quote)To make sure of that, though, the show's producers will keep coming up with new wrinkles. Probst promises more than just a grandiose lie by one of the players this time around. "There's ... a very, very regrettable event that happens, and the person to whom it happens is going to regret it ... more than they have any idea right now," he says. "I couldn't believe it when it happened, and I can't wait for it to play out. "There's also a huge twist to come that this time next year we'll be talking about, and you'll have an opinion on whether you loved or hated it." (end of quote) Well, I'm intrigued... The word 'brutal' in the part of the article posted by Azriel seems to rule out anything that I can think of... (Also in the article: Probst describes the Morganites as "idiots" in reference to their first show shopping.) (He also seems to have taken an instant dislike of Jon...but implies that this opinion somewhat changes as the game goes on...) Any thoughts??? |
Pagal | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 04:27 am     Argh! Why can't they just tell us the answers! It would make things so much easier! LOL So, could this 'regrettable' event be that Rupert was taken by Morgan and, after teaching them survival skills and returning to his own tribe, the things he taught them comes back to bite him (and his tribe) in the arse when Morgan starts winning everything? Or, and I hate to say this, could it be that Drake no longer trusts Rupert and votes him out the first chance they get? |
Enigma2 | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 05:50 am     I'm one of those people who find that within seconds of waking-up, I seem to either get rare flashes of lucidity or solve some problems. (I also do some of my best thinking while shaving, showering, et al...) The following is a list of such (undocumented) gray cell activity: In any interview, Probst's job would be to 'hype' the show. Perhaps 'the big lie' is not as big as we are assuming... At the last tribal council, Probst seemed fairly disgusted with Jon's behavior. If Probst stated that he alters his opinion of Jon, it seems to indicate –at least– that Jon will be-around for a while... At the last immunity challenge, the 'bonus' prize was only announced after Morgan had won. Would the contents of that little scroll been the same if Drake had won??? Could Rupert (while amongst the Morganites) be the one to be guilty of 'the big lie' –the same Rupert who stole from that Mogan raft on the first day?... Also, in my attempt to search the net for 'evidence,' the concensus seems to be that Jon is the guilty party (and there are some truly outrageous ideas as to the form of the lie). The one comment that seemed to make sense: Probst would not have used the term 'm----f----' to describe a woman. |
Lorry | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 06:17 am     You all have me convinced! Yep, each post convinces me, until I read the next post. hehe Of course we all know that this is hyped to the max. Pagal has me worried to death about my poor Rupert... but you know, both Enigma and Pagal seem to make sense.... Rupert teaching the Morganites, out of the goodness of his heart, just could back fire... to his detriment. Which is breaking my heart just to think of it....lol I love the Big Ru... I keep thinking it has to involve Jon.. but isn't that just what the producers want us to think??? So if we reverse the hype.... and exclude Jon.. then we have to look at the other men. Andrew??? He's an attorney for Jerry Springer's show... Now you know he has the ability to lie, commit treachery... and as we already know, he loves to showboat... could he be the creator of the Big Lie??? Shawn??? He sure didn't hesitate to vote out his best buddy Burton. For some reason I don't see him as the Liar... but then again... hmmmmm Osten??? I don't believe half of Osten's cries of wolf... never did. I think he would fake an accident, fake drowning... just plain fake anything for some R and R at the island hospice.. then come back all rested. Is that possible? Would he be able to come back??? Remember the guy who fell into the fire.... he wasn't able to come back to the game. OK... someone else jump in and give us their thoughts on the other men...lol My pain meds just kicked in and I can't think of their names... rofl |
Lorry | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 06:19 am     Thanks to Azriel and Enigma for the research on that article... I appreciate it so much, as we all do. |
Pagal | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 06:51 am     Sorry Lorry! I love my Rupert too and don't want to think he would go down because of his kind and caring ways. Enigma! I was thinking the same thing about the scroll after the challenge. Did Jeffie have a second scroll in his pocket that would have had a different 'bonus' for Drake if they had won? I just can't see MB 'taking' a tribe member from Morgan when there are already so few of them! Argh! |
Pamy | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 10:03 am     Dont forget that last year JP said 'We are going to like this years winner!' and Jenna won!!! I will never understand why he thought we would all like her. |
Pamy | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 10:05 am     I am worried that the 'regret' thing is that Drake votes out Rupert because they think he crossed them or something. |
Teachmichigan | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 02:12 pm     Aagggghhhhh!!! Now ya'll have me worried! I can live with the "big lie" being told by anyone, as long as it doesn't threaten Rupert. I'd hate to see Rupert gone because of a challenge he didn't want to throw...and the rest of his tribe did. I'd like to think Sandra, Christa and Trish will protect his back, but we'll have to wait and see. I think we'll already be talking about this Survivor much longer than the previous years' shows! The twists have been better, the characters are better (albeit annoying in some cases...but isn't that just like "real" life?!), and the pirate-themed games have been interesting and fun to watch. If "the big lie" isn't brought out in the open at the reunion, I certainly hope Zapit writes the "tell-all" article at the end! |
Whoami | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 03:44 pm     After reading several of Bcandscott's Yahoo clip summaries, I have to say maybe the big lie is Morgan's overall stupidity. How, oh how in the world can the stupidest, most inept people to ever play Survivor have all ended up on the same show, and the same tribe? They're playing us....yup, that has to be it. Morgan is really brilliant, and all the stupid things they do is stuff they dream up when the cameras aren't looking. |
Jane_Bond | Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 10:27 pm     Could the big lie be Osten's "frailty"? Someone in another thread said that the big lie is supposed to have been started in Ep 2. This is when Osten started whining constantly about being cold, being scared of getting pneumonia... Then he "nearly drowns". Perhaps the lies of his frailty are an oppourtunity for him to ensure that he gets rid of many of his tribe or to weaken them on purpose - a kind of way for him to control the vote, in his mind (because I don't think he would have any more or less control if he didn't "throw" competitions). |
Tasia | Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:30 am     Jane, you read my mind, that's exactly what I was thinking. That Osten is purposely throwing challenges/not giving it his all. While also "pretending" to drown therefore causing his members to fall behind. I think when Lillian voted for him to go, he lobbied behind the scenes to get rid of her because he sure didn't want anyone to vote for him next time. I think the big lie definitely is his "so called weakness" and as the team dwindles down, all he has to do is wait for the merge then start claiming immunities for himself. I would almost bet money that is exactly what he is doing. |
Starshine40 | Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:34 am     Jane, I also remember reading somewhere that the "big lie" started in episode 2, so tonight I watched the tape of it to see if I could find ANYTHING that could conceivably be a big lie...the only things I could spot were: 1. was Osten's "frailty" and wanting to quit 2. Shawn lost the head of the spear and lied about how he lost it, he was actually dragging the head of the spear on the bottom of the ocean among rocks 3. At tribal council Jeff confronted Andrew about the complaints of lack of sleep, etc and the shelter and Jeff asked Andrew when they were going to "take care of it". Andrew's reply was "tomorrow". Which we know they have NOT done! (If Rupert doesn't convince them to move it it will probably be washed away this next episode <grin>) I threw this one in just for laughs! |
Whoami | Monday, October 13, 2003 - 12:41 am     Didn't they say the Big Lie wasn't revealed until the show aired? If Osten is faking frailty to make it to the merge, then come on like gangbusters in the individual IC's wouldn't the lie have been revealed once he started winning challenges? |
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