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Willsfan

Thursday, September 25, 2003 - 10:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my, a good leader would not have sent Ryan out first on their reward challenge, but it was a decision that got some of the members what they wanted...Ryan voted off. Phooey. I liked the guy.

(Drake) I like Rupert, Sandra and the girl that gave Rupert part of her dress to wear. I can't think of her name right now but I think she will emerge as a strong player too. The three of them would make a nice alliance.
So far the only one I don't really like is Jon, the blond haired guy who thinks he is a comedian. And that's because when they were pulling that cannon (last week) across the rough terrian it didn't look like he was putting as much effort into as some of the women were.

Charvie

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 01:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Welp, I am a Morgan fan. It is the band of misfits. I love it. They remind me of the pirate stories I heard and read, where the pirates where never really good at working together, ended up shooting and fighting each other over the booty, and how they'd go out as a team of 100 and come back as a team of 2. So, I am rooting for them. I know it won't make me any money, but it is great entertainment.

Spear

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For all their supposed incompetence, Morgan didn't lose by much in the two immunity challenges. They could have easily been up 8-6.

Whoami

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can't say I feel sorry for them.

The "leader" can only point fingers. A true leader would take responsibility and work to enhance everyone's strengths.

Andrew decided from day one that Ryan S was useless. Ryan S was NOT the only one on Morgan who did poorly on the IC. The next swimmer out couldn't get the chest open either. I saw how Andrew took on the posture and body language to show just how disgusted he was in Ryan's performance. I've had that "you're so useless head-shake/hands-on-hips" gesture directed towards me enough times to recognize it.

Now that Ryan is gone, who is he going to blame? JP had it right when he pointed out that "you are the appointed leader. What do you have to do to change things around?" I can only hope that Morgan loses another one, just to prove to Andrew it wasn't all Ryan's fault.

I also wonder...in the confessional, Tijuana is complaining about how cold it is at night. She's wearing a shirt that looked like it had sleeves. If it didn't have sleeves, at least it had more material than the skimpy thing she was wearing at night when she was sitting by the fire shivering and miserable.

What they should have done was use leaves to roof the shelter, and the tarp to use as a blanket. If it was nearer their bodies, it would have trapped body heat in better. Not to mention they could have huddled together for body heat as well.

Friktion

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 05:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have only one comment to make: What the heck did Osten think he was signing up for? OK, two, and then I'm done: perhaps all of his well-defined muscles come from weightlifting and protein shakes - those muscles might start melting away REAL fast without a steady diet of protein supplements.

Queenfish

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Feel sorry for Morgan? Heck no, they made their own bed and now they gotta lay in it.

Drake is better organized, better fed, and just down right smarter from the get go. I would love to see a morganless merger. That would be a Survivor first especially being that it is so down right unlikely.

If Morgan could possibly go back to camp, lick their wounds then come up with a real game plan and stick to it then they might have a fighting chance. However , as long as they keep on like they are doing now, it'll never happen.

I do wish that Sandra would've taken their knife after Tijuana was such a witch about letting her use it to finish taking down the tarp.

Drake did have an advantage in the village with Sandra speaking the language, but Morgan didn't even give it a good go. They got on their boat with money still in hand that could've been spent. They got no water jug, they purchased no extra food. They were just unorganized and flighty while drake kept their cool and got the job done.

Feeling sorry for Morgan , I just can't do. They are grown people acting like children and I can't feel sorry for that. And did any of you catch one of the Morgan girls calling Drake wusses or something like that, after sandra looted their camp. Excuse me, dose she not know that Drake has been beating the crap outta morgan?

Lori

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I always feel sorry for the underdog...but it's hard to waste sympathy on this disorganized tribe. I think they should fire Andrew as leader and choose a new head of tribe.

That shelter of theirs is pitiful. I think my two young sons could have built a better one. What have they been doing all this time?

Surreal_Badger

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i did feel a wee bit sorry for morgan, but most of that was directed at lillian and ryan s -- not at the tribe as a whole.

not sure i agree with sandra's decision to take the tarp. doesn't seem to bode well with her future status -- particularly once the tribes merge. it's something people'll definitely hold a grudge about.

i think i'd have followed rupert's advice and taken something less central to their survival. like, oh say, that damn suit jacket their "leader" wears to tribal council.

NOT an andrew fan.

Beruthiel

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why on earth did Morgan elect a lawyer as leader when they had a woman with experience right there? And what a sm*rt*ss he is too, so no, apart from Lil and Ryan S. I've no sympathy for them.
I just had a look at the CBS site and it turns out that Ryan O was making the girl who was voted off first, Nicole?, uncomfortable with his overtures towards her, so it looks as though the menfolk in Morgan include several not so nice specimens.

Bcandscott

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Regarding water jugs...and the main reason I can't feel sorry for Morgan. I noted last week that the Drake tribe had what appeared to be TWO big red cans for water. When Morgan finally decided to go after water, they took a big bowl....and their empty bottles where they had purchased bottled water. I noticed them drinking bottled water that first day and thought, well, maybe that was smart, having water on hand right away, but I never dreamed they had bought bottled water and had neglected to get a closed container for water from the island well.

Osten...oh Osten. Pretty man, no backbone. One thing I think I've learned from watching Survivor (and to a lesser degree Big Brother where the body builders become hysterical at the prospect of only PB&J for a few days) is that beautiful bodies are very high maintenance. When you bring a guy who is perfectly formed with no body fat, they are the equivalent of "skinny Ryan" in that they have NO reserves to live off of and become pathetic whiney babies when they don't have regular meals with loads of protein and an hour of free weights every day. You take a guy like Rupert out there and he will 1) lose weight because of the high protein, low carb availability of food and the work of surviving and 2) they will FIND food and won't expect it to come in a can with a picture of a body builder on it saying "mix with water and a couple of raw eggs."

I tried to feel sorry for Morgan, I really did. I just can't. I MIGHT have some sympathy for them if they fire Andrew, put Lil in charge and start earning merit badges instead of playing pass the coconut and complaining all the time about things like cold and sleeplessness, both of which they have the power to cure.

It was interesting to hear the Morgan tribes' assessments of "what is wrong here", and I couldn't help but notice that the one person who actually said outloud what the real problem is was voted off immediately after. Lil knows, she's just not saying because she realizes that would put her up in Andrew's radar range. I read earlier someone mentioning that head shaking, hands on hips stance that Andrew adopted where Ryan was concerned. I believe that is the mental stance that Lil has had from day one, but she's keeping it to herself...and wisely. There is nothing whiney babies hate worse than someone who knows them for what they are.

Here's what I'm waiting to see....when and if the Morgan's win a luxury challenge and get to raid the Drake camp, will they swipe a water jug or will they take back there tarp and say "nyah nyah nyah". If they take the water jug, I might believe they were learning. If they go for the tarp, I'll figure they are still lost in whiney land.

Csnog

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 07:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Andrews the leader. They just said he was. The true leader is Tij as we saw in her ouster of Nicole. Andrew was all for planking Ryan S but didn't get his way.

The secretaries are doing the thinking and sticking together while the lawyer thinks its all his leadership.

I still think Morgan will win soon based on MB"s past editing.

The strong team becomes a little too cocky.

Enigma2

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still supporting Morgan. They need 'support'. They are so pitiful and inept. But they do have the more diverse group of people:
— Andrew (the lawyer/leader, who took the summer off from defending Jerry Springer to run naked on a beach)
— Big Lill (the scout leader who did not think to look at a map to locate water}
—Darrah (the 22 yr. old mortician; that's cool, and great job security)
— Osten (strong of body; weak of resolution) (the man who has not figured out how to hide his rear cleavage by fabricating some sort of belt)

As I said: this group needs 'support'

Enigma2

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Also:

Note to whoami: good point about Tijuana (The colder it gets; the less she wears)

Note to Queenfish: (re Sandra and knife) This was a pillaging; if you are being pillaged, you do not give aid to the enemy.

Note to surreal: if not mistaken, it was decided by all of Drake that if Sandra found a tarp, she should take it (since Drake needed one)

Enigma2

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A last item:

i'm starting my own one-man fan club for Trish (in Drake) She's a sleeper. If you do not recall: During the canon comp. she was the first one out front removing rocks from the road.

According to her bio: Trish is 41 and married (knows how to compromise); she has 9yr old twins (knows how to deal with pain and patience); she is described as a good swimmer; rock-climbs and has been in 24 marathons (good survival skills and the needed stamina)

'Here's to Trish' (of the dark hair and pale blue eyes)

Prisonerno6

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"What have they been doing all this time?"

And this is why I don't feel sorry for them.

That shelter of theirs would have blown apart in a good stiff wind. They just set the palm fronds against the sides of the shelter without trying to lash them in place. You're in a frellin' jungle -- go find some vines to use as rope. You have a machete, start stripping bamboo and weaving it through the sides to sturdy your shelter. Take the leaves from the palm frond and weave some coverings. And did any of them ask Sandra to please not take the tarp? To cut them a little bit of a break, offer something else? No, they just sat around and bitched at her.

Oh, and leader Andrew, rip the lining out of your suit jacket and give it someone else for a little warmth at night.

Nope, don't feel sorry for them. They aren't doing a whole lot to help themselves.

Lorry

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I kind of feel sorry for the Morgan team. Mostly because I really like Lil and the Mortician lady.

I felt sorry for Ryan Shoulders and really hated his being called "Skinny Ryan" when Ryan S would have sufficed, but then for some reason I think it was more telling about those that called him that, then about him personally.

I hope that next time Drake gets to raid the Morgan camp, they take Lil with them... She would truely round out the DRake team... Plus I think she needs a chance to show her abilities.

Kalekona

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If lil needs a chance to show her abilities why isn't she? They clearly need it.

I do feel for Morgan, while i like Rubert and Trish I really don't like anyone else on Drake.

I do like Andrew and Osten a leader may get the blame but he can't lead if the others don't follow.

As for the tarp when Jon suggested it Rupert said No they didn't need to Hurt the other team. Sandra took it for spite because she thought they hide the water can. She did not need to go on about how much they got from the village (very poor winner) and she sould never have expected Help taking down the tarp. In her in ability to empathise with Morgan she set herself up as a fall guy (exactly why Drake sent her in the first place) I'm from Seattle area and I still can't stand her.

I just want to see a Morgan win and see what it does for their resolve...We've seen it turn a tribe around to just win that first time. If they still remain inept then i'll just hope for a switch that brings Rupert and Trish to Morgan and sends Ryan O and Darrha to Drake.

Sherbear

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't feel sorry for Morgan. I think they treated the townspeople horribly and did poor planning. I also thought they had a poor attitude against Saundra. If they had been smart they would have helped her to take the tarp down so their structure would be more intact. Instead they decided to make her "pay" and got pissed it got messed up. I thought she could have done a lot of damage.

My favorite is Hagrid...oops Rupert. I love him.

Not1worry

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's a good idea Sher, they would have retained more dignity if they'd said "You know what, if that's what you have to have, we'll take it down for you." Instead of sitting there pouting. But I commend Tijuana for not letting her use the knife. I probably would have been trying to stick my leg out and trip Sandra. Sandra started out okay, but got progressively more spiteful the longer she stayed.

Her little sing-song "I like being a piiiiiirate" at the immunity challenge didn't help her out either. No one is going to be happy about being looted, but there are better ways to do it.

Pantageas

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't blame Sandra for getting irritated at Morgan's treatment of her. She didn't make the rules of the game, she's following them. She looked around their camp for something worth taking - is it her fault that Morgan had nothing worth taking but the tarp? They decided not to help her because they were "pouting" that their tarp was going away. A *GOOD SPORT* would have helped take it down.

The refusal to let her use their knife was simply more bad sportsmanship - just because they could. If Morgan had had a water jug for her to take, they probably would have peed in it first!

If it had been me, after being denied help and the use of a knife, I would have made a big production of throwing these flimsy fronds as far as possible off of the new "Drake" tarp...! :)

Whoami

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I came up with a pretty mean mind game. If Morgan ever wins the right to pillage, then they should have the tarp folded up, tossed aside and apparently un-used when Morgan shows up to reclaim it!

Hawaiiandew

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if they will do the "Swap Tribe Members" thing about the 3rd or 4th vote in again. If so, I feel sorry for the Drake people that get stuck with the very little that Morgan has to offer now. Sandra for one would be very P.O.'d

Not1worry

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sandra needs to remember that some of those from Morgan could end up on the jury. That incident could be all it takes to lose the vote.

Muse

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually do feel sorry for Morgan. When I watched the first episode and saw the part where they were divided into tribes, I thought it seemed like Drake had the more athletic/strong/healthy people, right off the bat. Morgan had people like Ryan S. (pitifully skinny -- not cut out for Survivor), Lillian (older woman -- physically not an asset), and Osten (poor swimmer). They also appear to have people who were bound to cause disharmony (Nicole the schemer, Tij the blunt loudmouth, Osten the quitter, etc). I don't think any of them are as bad as Jon (except Osten -- he bugs me), but it's just such an odd group of people. I could tell they would be the underdogs right away, and that's not good.

As for their attitude -- I don't blame them for being low. They've really struggled. But I agree that the disorganization is their own fault, and they let it happen when Osten and others started rushing people through the village. That's what they need to work on.

Of course, now that they're losing members, I think it will strengthen them. But it might be too little, too late, since they might go into a merge with fewer members. Even if there's a switch, that's hard to overcome.

I'm surprised that so many people like Drake, by the way. I feel like we know very little about them, with the exception of Rupert, Sandra, and Jon. I'm guessing that I'll probably like them better than Morgan, but I still don't know yet.

Squidward

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 02:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No, I do not feel sorry for Morgan in the least. Especially with the way they treated Ryan. I heard what all he said today in interviews and I hope Morgan continues to fail. Andrew is one of the biggest <LC> to ever grace my television screen and I cannot wait until he is booted. I cannot stand the guy.