Lorry | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 02:32 pm     This is not a bash the Morganites thread... no way... In fact, let's discuss what the problem is, when it started, how it started, and how can they fix their problems. The obvious problems are 1. Not working as a team. 2. Lack of planning ahead. 3. Lack of Ambition. Those are my ideas for what the problems are.. but please feel free to add your own. Also, what are the hidden problems? What is missing??? I'm at a loss as to what they can do to fix the problems, since they don't seem to really fully accept that they have these problems. They know something is wrong... but seem to not care. Of course, these are only my own thoughts... would love to hear your thoughts.... and remember, disagreeing is not bashing.... and bashing is never a remedy for anything. |
Kitt | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 04:10 pm     I think they all seem to have different ideas for the team but seem to be happy pretending it will fix itself. The leader guy (I still can't remember most of their names) seems to theorise about things but not actually do anything. Osten is all muscle but seems to be a little lacking in the mental part of the game, both emotionally and that he didn't realise standing on the end of the boat would sink it! Ryan O seems a bit like the leader guy, he thinks they should work together but doesn't take any steps to organise things. I can't even remember seeing Darrah before yesterday, but she seems to be being portrayed as the lazy one of the tribe. The other girl seems ok, but again we haven't seen much of her. I think it's a combination of all the things you've mentioned above. And I don't think it's fixable by anyone left in that tribe. Sorry Morgan, you just better hope for a tribe merge. |
Auntiemike | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 04:14 pm     They need to talk - about what each can contribute to the tribe (what are the individual strengths) and then they need to set goals for their group and make a plan of action toward achieving their goals. This can be done daily. They also need to evaluate, on a daily basis, how they have accomplished this. This is called teamwork or working together and they will bond in the process. If Andrew is not up to getting this going there is nothing stopping any of the other tribe members from trying. Seems like they need to develop their survival skills before they even begin thinking about playing the game! |
Enigma2 | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 04:25 pm     Lorry: If I recall correctly, in past Survivors, at some point the teams exchange members. At this point I feel that that is the only salvation for the Morganites –as individuals. They do not seem to be able to work as a team. There has been a pervasive aura of ennui at the Morgan camp. And I think that the only solution would be 'fresh blood" and a new start. After a 'switch,' the individual Morganites would be exposed to a new –for them– Drakette-like energy and work-ethic. And with luck, each of the Morganites might experience a sea-change for the better. Well, it's just a thought. |
Needmylifeback | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 04:52 pm     I think they have run out of options...unless they stop complaining and suck it up! (And then do what Auntiemike said!) |
Monalisahi | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 05:13 pm     It's all a lack of focus, of course, who wouldn't lose focus in their position. I know I'd have a hard time focusing if my pants were falling down......or if I were watching somebody's pants fall down. They don't seem to have the drive needed to win. They will accept a win if it happens, but they don't have anybody on the team who can get them pumped up and excited. |
Texasdeb | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 05:24 pm     I like Drake better as a tribe because they work together. Drake has Rupert & this one thing in itself is Morgan's biggest disadvantage. Andrew is NO leader & IMO Andrew is just keeping himself safe from eviction by playing leader. Lil should never have gone. I think the other Morgans felt Lil would be most likely to switch loyalty at any type of merge & that was what Andrew was referring to in his vote. I'm so not ready for a twist (re-group of the teams). I predict that it will happen if not next show than the following. CBS surely will not just sit back & let Morgan self distruct. |
Bastable | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 06:26 pm     I think they need to plank their "leader." He plays favorites and he's clearly not inspiring anyone to do anything. |
Azriel | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 07:01 pm     I can't get over the fact that noone has tried to make their sleeping platform more comfortable. Pile some palm fronds on it or whittle down the knots that are sticking up. Do something!! They have to be a bunch of lazy people. |
Twiggyish | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:01 pm     1. Organize team member duties. 2. Strategize as a team..work out strategies to win the competitions. 3. Bond as a team by sharing parts of their lives and have more group discussions. 4. Stop their moaning and groaning and do something positive! They're stuck in a rut of negativity. |
Sunshyne4u | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 04:05 pm     One of the problems at the Morgan camp has nothing to do with any of the contestants. The beach is much bigger than Drakes. The fishing is way more tough in this situation. Drakes have it easy. **** AZRIEL you are correct. I am thinking none of this tribe has ever watched Swiss Family Robinson LOL |
Flamingo | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 05:21 pm     they're lazy people who did little to no research coming into the game about how to survive and live off the land. They appointed probably the laziest person as their leader (have we ever seen Andrew fish or work on anything on his own?). They also spent so little of their money at the village, which left them with significantly less comfort, shelter and food. The Drakes are having good luck fishing because a)they bought a spear and 2) they are fishing. |
Meridian | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 05:12 am     Twiggyish has some great suggestions, however, I don't see the Morganites ever organising or strategising as a team. They are far too absorbed in their own self-interest to comprehend their plight. Their blase attitude at last Tribal Council clearly indicates how low they value bonding for survival. It would seem their only common thread is complaining. Gnashing teeth about their lack of adequate shelter neither fixes it nor rebuilds it. |
Enigma2 | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 05:28 am     Christa made the comment at the last 'pillaging' that the Drakettes did not have a 'leader.' The decision to have a leader (and that leader being Andrew) may be indicative of the problems at Morganland. |
Meridian | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 08:03 am     No leader is better than an ineffective one. |
Lorry | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 08:15 am     I agree that having chosen a leader, the Morganites thought it would make them a tighter group... a group with direction. However, their chosen leader has not been able to fulfill the needs of his tribe. He seems very centered on himself, rather than the team. I think that is why the others are either just following his example of doing nothing... afraid to speak out against the "leader". The Drake Tribe has no "leader"... each member leads in the area they are best at. Or so it appears to me. |
Kitt | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 02:08 pm     Great way for Morgan to recover - win the next game and pillage RUPERT from the other tribe. |
Enigma2 | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 03:08 pm     I have been perplexed by Andrew's behavior. He is definitely not of the 'dim' pesruasion, yet his decisions (or lack of them) seem to be directed toward the defeat of the Morganites. I have speculated several times about Andrew's "stategy," and here is the next effort: Could Andrew have decided that his team does not have-a-change against the Drakettes? Has he given-up on them? Is he now thinking only about his personal survival? Is he only looking forward to the 'swap' or 'merge' –and by taking the least valulable team-mates with him, he will be assured of looking 'valuable' by comparison? |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 03:58 pm     I think you're on to something Enigma2, I have also been thinking that Andrew seems a little self serving. Morgan might just get a freebie tomorrow night. Drake members seem about ready to rid themselves of Jon & might just "throw" the imunity challenge to do this. |
Lorry | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 04:22 pm     Honestly I don't think Andrew is a free thinker. He is used to working within the confines of the justice system... Working for Jerry Springer he simply has to follow the dictates of legal contracts... Here on the island he has no dictates to follow.. he has to (as the leader) create the dictates.. and I just don't see him as someone who is able to not only come up with the ideas, but get the others to follow them. He seems to just take it as face value that the others would be in awe of him and do as he does.. except that he is doing nothing... and so they are doing nothing as well.... Duh... did that make sense to anyone other than me??? hehe I don't see him as a dim bulb, but rather someone that cannot look past the obvious. IOWs he has nothing to follow, nothing to determine his next step. He has no imagination. He is waiting for something to happen so that he can react. |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 04:45 pm     Oh again Lorry, you are so on target. Morgan is playing "follow the leader". Wrong leader! |
Enigma2 | Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 05:36 am     Anything you say makes sense, Lorry. But, you cannot make an omelet without eggs (And there isn't an egg left among the Morganites.) Also: Birds of a feather gather no moss... |
Bcandscott | Friday, October 10, 2003 - 08:21 am     One of the HUGE problems at Morgan at the moment is that their shelter is built too close to the tide line. They are likely to take a large wave one night and will have to find and drag Osten out of the water to save him from a watery grave in the middle of the night. They need to move the shelter. I was watching them with their "sand wall" and logs, meant to hold back the ocean and I had a flashback to Ozzy at the beach building a bonfire for Sharon and trying to hold back the ocean. It was pretty funny when Ozzy did it, but he had a nice house to go sleep in after the ocean wiped out his fire. Where are the survivors going to go when their camp is underwater? |
Lorry | Friday, October 10, 2003 - 10:01 am     BCandScott: I loved watching Ozzy building his fire... what a sweet thing... but I laughed at his attempt to fish with those huge waves...hehe I keep thinking about their shelter being swept away also... right now, what they showed last night.. it is almost touching the shelter now.. and the big waves hadn't even hit yet... Hopefully Rupert will help them build a more secure shelter out of the way of the water and the bugs. It seems their island is not as people friendly as the Drake Island... but then again, we didn't get to see much of the landscape. |
Auntiemike | Friday, October 10, 2003 - 10:10 am     Maybe having Rupert there for a few days (and saving their shelter, feeding them, teaching them how to take care of themselves!) will put the illustrious "leader" Andrew in a different light to the teammates. Just a thought...hmmmmmmm |