Archive through December 15, 2003
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Archive through December 15, 2003
Allietex | Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:21 pm     I kinda hope Jon is in the All Stars. I think he would not have as easy a time fooling some of the other people that have been there. He might have a hard time with Rupert. I would be interested to see how he and Rupert got along. And can you imagine him, Richard Hatch, and Brian ? in the same game? I might even pull for him against Brian. At least Jon realizes he is a jerk and does not take himself seriously. It is people like Tina and Vee, that although they won I would find boring watching again. Even Sandra, I don't think I would care to see again. For the all star show, I want excitement! I want drama! I want controversy! I want confrontations! I want a whole group of alpha males and females. Give me Sue and Cathy. Give me the two obnoxious Robs. Leave the plain vanilla players at home. Only have the interesting ones. Make this a killer show. |
Dee | Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:24 pm     Ohgod, PLEASE say Jon is NOT in the ASS! |
Allietex | Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 10:53 pm     LOL wouldn't you like to see him try to manipulate someone like Richard Hatch, Brian Hedidik, or Robb (the one who thought he was a mafia don)? I think he would get eaten alive. And if Rupert was there, he would be able to blackmail little Jon by threatening to tell the others what a snake he is. And what about the other alpha males? They would make short work of him. I have a feeling that the All Star version might not be made up of the "nice" people. One person I would love to see again would be Jake Billingsly. I thought he was super. Of course, I will be pulling for Rupert. He better be there! |
Seamonkey | Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 11:18 pm     No, I could easily handle never seeing Jon ever again. I'd like to see Rupert and Kathy on a team. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 11:30 pm     The LA news had a very short bit at the wrap party tonight, said they were the only crew there. They featured Sandra, Lill, Rupert, Jon, Darrah.. (and a lot of anonymous camera hogs in the background). Anyway They had changed clothes (except Rupert). Sandra, in a long black dress.. said she credits her time in the Army for being able to tolerate all the grit and mud and such. Lill, ok she still had the Scout garb on, with her hat on the back of her head and she repeated that she didn't regret choosing Sandra to go with her. Darrah did a little catwalk and kept saying thank you to the interviewer.. who joked about from the morgue to the catwalk.. sigh. Rupert did his roar and roared "Drake!" and said he just loved it. Jon was wearing a gangster style pinstripe suit and showed the label that apparently said it was custom made for Jonny Fairplay.. and he said the reason Lill didn't take him to F2 was she didn't want him spending a million on "sex, drugs and rock n roll". The interviewer asked him what he would spend it on and he bared his teeth and said "you". |
Pattie555 | Sunday, December 14, 2003 - 11:41 pm     anyone know who will be on ASS ? |
Tobor7 | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 01:40 am     Hate can bring you down. Hate brought Lil down. She hated Jon so much, that she couldn't see past it. She was so intent on him NOT getting anything that she blew $900,000! (As we saw when Jeff took the alternate scenario poll.) Had she taken Jon... she would have won... but she stopped playing the game. She didn't owe Sandra anything. They made no pact, in fact... Sandra really thought she was going home. Lil could not understand Jon's lifestyle, and could not accept it. Just because she could identify with Sandra was not a good enough reason-- she did not think it through. It was a huge mistake on Lil's part. Let's say it was a mental error due to the fatigue. The final comp was a bit feeble, and I would have liked to see something that would have lasted well into 12+ hours. Something that was a little more about mental desire and focus, and less about physical conditioning anyway. Lil seemed so angry with many of her answers at the final Q&A that I think she turned some people off. (BTW- The final Q&A was boring... in fact, nothing can top the final Q&A from the first season as far as I am concerned. That was great stuff.) The reunion show was pretty good. Jeff is a good host for it. He really makes no attempt to hide his true feelings, which is refreshing. |
Pamy | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 04:38 am     What was up with Andrew's hair?..he looked like Alfalfa! To me Rupert looked the same last nite as he did at TC, except his eyes and face looked rested...didnt he have about 5 mo in between the 2 shows to bulk up?? I hope he at least makes the merge but I doubt he wins |
Pamy | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 04:53 am     I can't believe Darrah is serious about modeling, to me Christa or Nicole would have a better shot. I also thought Sandra looked so pretty the last few days on the island. I didnt like her hair last nite, it seemed to drag her face down. I wanted to see what her DH looked like, we just saw his back |
Leafsgirl | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 05:01 am     I thought it looked like Rupert was missing a few teeth, needless to say his mouth looked like it got hit by a truck. Maybe something happened in ASS and prevented him from finishing? I hope not. |
Ddr1135 | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 05:42 am     Leaf, I thought Rupert's mouth was swollen on one side too. |
Mack | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 06:49 am     What I want to know is if they just got out of ASS in the past week or so how come they looked so good? Maybe I'm confused, which would be my normal state, but somehow I had the idea that ASS ended filming within the last week or so and neither Jon or Rupert looked any worse for the wear nor did any of the others for that matter. Jon seemed to slip and mention ASS as though he had been part of it but JP kind of let it drop and may have even kind of glared at Jon but that could have been my imagination. All in all I was a little disappointed in the 3 hours of show. Maybe it was just a little anticlimatic because I really didn't care who won once they got rid of Darrah and eventually Jon. I was happy that Sandra won though clearly Lil let her opinion of Jon cost her the win...unless the jury just wasn't going to vote one of the returnees as the winner. PS - I thought the "questioning" by the jury was sugar coated, especially after their little bits about how demanding and hard they were going to be. |
Fruitbat | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:12 am     It has been said the Rupert was swimming with whales and got between a mother and her calf. Mom threw Rupert up in the air and he may have hurt his face when he hit the water. I dont think Jon is on ASS, at least that is not what the spoilers say. They have the castaways and teams in the ASS thread as they have been reported from another board. I loved this show, despite it's length, because Sandra was my choice to win once Rupert was booted. I was thrilled and loved every minute. |
Niceguy | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:41 am     I can't believe I actually forgot to tune in. Way to go Sandra. Lill's delusions did her in, it appears, from reading most of this. Anybody wonder how the after party went with Jon? |
Dee | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:50 am     Brian H. writes a column in the "Star" magazine. He mentioned "ASS" but he said he didn't participate. "One Survivor was enough for me" is what he wrote. Something else - after Lil voted Jon out, the next time there was a TC, he had a thick mustache. How did THAT happen? It was only 3 days later! Or was it a fake? |
Ariasmum | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:50 am     I wish during the reunion show Jeff would have addressed the blatant woman bashing John and Burton were doing. I would have liked to see their reaction to that since the 3 'stupid, non- strategizing' women beat out Burton and 2 placed better than the 'superior' John. |
Tabbyking | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:21 am     where do they get their negative attitudes toward women? is it any wonder neither seems to have a woman in their life? how sad and despicable. |
Mack | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:39 am     Totally agree Tabby. DW and I love the way the ladies keep winning Survivor and BB. You'd think these guys would wise up. |
Brenda1966 | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:56 am     Ariasmum -- I think they were both asked about the women bashing on the Early show. If I remember right Burton stated he didn't have any trouble getting dates. And Jon made some unfunny comment about loving women 3 or 4 at a time. Basically neither one showed any remorse. Dee, Jon's mustache came from shaving off his beard only. He looked very 70's with the beard gone and the thich mustache. I rewatched the reunion and Jon said "maybe All-stars my GrandPA will die" not Grandma. I agree that Probst didn't seem happy at him mentioning All-stars. I don't think Jon is on all-stars, but I'd be happy to see him there. I was SO glad to see Sandra win. Finally another season where someone I wanted to win won! |
Happymom | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 01:36 pm     Great outcome, great show! And Jeff did a great job at the reunion! I only wish it was a bit longer, with the beginning going to the vote and then all the commercials, there's not enough time left to ask everything. I would've liked to learn more, but everything Jeff asked was on my mind. I actually think Lill was very shocked and taken aback during the last TC when the jurors somewhat slammed her. I think she really thought she was the most well liked. Before the jury questions (which she was very unprepared for, I think), I think she she weighed many things carefully. She knew that deceptive manipulative playing by hated players (Jon) is often rewarded in the final vote. The final two never know for sure who the jury will vote for, what criteria they look for, will they vote for who they like best, who played the best, for someone who never voted them out, etc. There were pros and cons to keeping each one and I think Lill probably couldn't decide who she had the best shot against. Sandra had some almost for sure votes in Rup and Christa. Lill knew the outcast thing may work against her no matter who she took. Also, Jon may have been rewarded for his deceptive behavior by those who think it's brilliant game playing. In the end, she may have thought it was a toss up between the two. So, maybe she took Sandra just because she'd be more pleasant to spend the last night at camp with. I think had she not been an outcast and had really felt that she could beat Jon, that she wouldn't have chosen Sandra to stay with her in the final 2. Jmo. As much as Lill grated on my nerves for being so whiny, I think it was unfair how some of the jury members held her to a higher standard of honesty. But, this show is highly editted, maybe she really was being holier than thou with the scout thing and we didn't see it. I never got the impression that she was on the parts that were shown. My hubby did mention that she should've turned her shirt inside out and/or taken off the patches etc. My 13 yr. old then said she and Sandra would've been dressed the same! So true! Lill and Jon really got on my nerves, Jon more than Lill. But Andrew got on my nerves more than anyone on this show. Pompous arrogant ___ right to end! Geez, I hope Jon isn't on all stars! |
Happymom | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 01:40 pm     One more thing, I think if Lill had been a young pretty 20 yr. old and behaved emotionally exactly like she did on the show, it wouldn't have counted against her so much as it did, especially with the guys. |
Curlyq | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 02:03 pm     Interesting point, Happymom. I'm so proud of Lill for picking Sandra over Jon. Some may not like it, but if a player is given the chance to hand a large sum of money to another player I think it's perfectly understandable that she'll pass over the guy who'd been nasty to her for the past two days and would probably blow it on drugs and booze in favor of an equally good player who has the opportunity to invest in her family. I was also glad that Lill took the opportunity to remind Darrah that she turned on her alliance because they had targeted Darrah. She took a licking during that Q&A session, but at least she didn't let that one go by. Jon's question to Sandra made me cringe. She handled it with grace, but had it been me I would've asked him how he felt he represented caucasians. Can't a person play on their own behalf instead of having to serve as a representation of their ethnic group? It's as silly as expecting Lill's actions to represent the scouts. And what's with the double-standard? Lill is criticized for lying when she's a scout leader, but the teen mentor is admired for how skillfully he stole personal property from the others. It's not like those shoes were issued by the producers as part of the game. They were bought and paid for by the players out of their own money. Where was the big outcry over that? Why weren't they willing to laugh off Lill's actions the way they did Rupert's? |
Realbiz | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 02:11 pm     Lill was once a very pretty girl actually - I saw her pic in "In Touch" mag when she was 18. They had all the final 5's earlier pics in them. |
Guinevere | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 02:26 pm     >One more thing, I think if Lill had been a young pretty 20 yr. old and behaved emotionally exactly like she did on the show, it wouldn't have counted against her so much as it did, especially with the guys.< That may be true. Pouting, whining and acting like a helpless baby isn't really attractive in any adult, but I think it becomes more unattractive the older one gets. That may not be fair, but I think it's the case. Lill is just way too old for her girlish, poor-little-me routine, and it turned a lot of people off - me included. |
Jasonfan | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 04:03 pm     Had she admitted she whined, etc, I think she would have done well. Lill lost this game b/c of her warped view of herself. She said at tc that she "didn't break down" over the letters from the family. She also ironically accused Sandra of never thinking for herself, always asking her alliance how to vote. She obviously doesn't see herself the way others do. One reason I could respect Jenna last year (although Matt should have won is that she recognized she was immature. Lill just doesn't get it and I think that's what bothered the others. |
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