Awesome Challenges
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Awesome Challenges
Lorry | Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 09:57 pm     I loved both of the challenges. They were so exciting... IMO The editing was soooo great. All the atmosphere, the drama... lol It was like watching a game show. I think the show has gotten soooo much better in every aspect. |
Jagger | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 10:33 am     I liked the first challenge, but the immunity challenge I was not to fond of. I like the challenges that a person has a choice on their final disposition. The darts and last week the coconuts did not give everyone a fighting chance, even if they would have gotten every question or shot right it still did not guarantee them a win. |
Lorry | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 12:00 pm     Jagger, right after I posted this topic, I had a serious change of heart. I'm allowed to change my mind... I am Woman, hear me roar...hahahaha Seriously, you are sooooo right. This last Immunity Challenge was set up for Rupert to lose. For those players without the breath needed for distance and accuracy... Rupert being on the very bottom of the wheel, led to his being an easier hit, or even an accidental hit, just by virtue of the lack of breath to push the dart up higher. That wheel should have been spun each and every time a player had a turn. JMO The coconut challenge was a challenge created to show where the loyalties lay. It was a challenge designed to force the players to show their hand. At any rate... I'm upset with the unfairness of this last challenge. |
Pantageas | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:52 pm     I think the challenge was fair - who could have predicted how badly everyone would STINK at it? Let me guess, Lorry...you're a Rupert fan? |
Texasdeb | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:19 pm     I'm a die hard Rupert fan too. I agree with Lorry that the game couldn't have been called unfair, for the breath reason, if the wheel would have been spun every so often. |
Seamonkey | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:46 pm     Since the producers test the games, I suspect it was VERY predictable that many of them would lack the breath to accurately send the darts and that, yes, the darts would more likely hit at the bottom of the target. |
Lorry | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 07:52 am     Let me guess Pantageas, you are NOT a Rupert fan. hehe, just kidding around. You are correct, but not completely. I am indeed a Rupert fan, but moreso, I'm a Survivor fan. I am quite capable of stepping outside my own sphere of reality and acknowledging other's perspectives. I just call them as I see them, and always have much respect for those who see things differently. The most important function of these boards is to allow for diverse opinions to be discussed/debated in a civil manner. I respect your perspective, but have to disagree. |
Bob2112 | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 10:01 am     I just rewatched the immunity challenge and took some notes are who hit where on the wheel and how the postions were determined. The positions of the players on the wheel was determined by a random number draw. Rupert was not placed on the bottom by the producers. He drew the 5th position, which placed him down on the bottom next to Jon. Here's the order they drew: Lillian, Tijuana, Darrah, Jon, Rupert, Burton, Sandra, Christa Lillian was placed on the wheel at 1 o'clock and the other followed in a clockwise pattern. When Jeff begins explaining the challenge, you can see there are no name tags on the wheel and he then says, "We'll draw numbers to pick your spot." Did you know they actually showed every shot taken in order? I didn't think they did when watching it live, but when I tracked the hits I see they showed every shot. Burton was going to win this challenge regardless of the placement. He never missed a shot and hit 3x on Rupert, Sandra and Jon, and 2x on Tijuana, and also had single hits on Lillian, Tijuana and Sandra. He never missed who he was aiming for. Rupert was not as accurate and was only able to hit Darrah twice in the larger 1x area. Every shot by Lillian went below her area and she got lower with each shot. She first hit Tijuana who was below her, then the next 3 hit on or near Darrah (who was below Ti) and then she hit Jon who was below Darrah. Tijuana was similar as most of her shots hit or where close to Darrah. Darrah had only 2 shots and both went under the board just below her area. She might have hit Jon's area if she was a little higher. In slow motion, Jon's shots where not as bad as they seemed in full speed. Several shots hit the wood frame and bounced off at weird angles. I thought he missed them by a mile when I was them the first time. Only his first 2 shots were good, so maybe he ran out of breath. He hit himself and then got the 3x on Christa (not surprising). After that he seemed to be going for Sandra/Burton but falling short of them. After Sandra was out he tried for Lillian but hit far below by Darrah (on the wood frame). Sandra is the perfect example that the problem for most of them was in aiming and not with the blowing. When she aimed for her area, she came up short and hit Burton's area below hers. Then (after hitting her space) she aimed at Burton's space twice and both shots hit low (the first took out Rupert and the second hit the wood frame just below Rupert's area). I don't think she was trying to hit Rupert on purpose. Christa only had 2 shots. Her first came up short and hit Sandra. The second was way off and hit Jon. She seemed to jerk the blow gun as she blew and had the worst aim of all 8 of them. Anyway, I don't think there was anything more unfair about this competition than any other. All players seemed to be able to hit the target without too much difficulty. Most just didn't seem to aim correctly to allow for the arc of the dart. The left/right aim seemed to be better. You would think after a few low shots they would have started aiming higher. Burton was the only one whose dart didn't seem to arc much, which is likely why he was able to be the most accurate. |
Dogdoc | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 10:11 am     Did anybody else watch the Olsen twins movie that had the Survivor theme? They had good challenges. They had the endurance one where they stood for a long time on posts in the water. In the Olsen movie they had to balance on one leg, turn around etc. I forget the others but there were some good ones. A cute movie for Survivor fans. |
Pantageas | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 12:12 pm     Actually, Lorry, I'm a fan of the SHOW. I think that an "unfairness" in the contests would make the show less fun to watch also, but I also think the "conspiracy theories" make the show less fun to talk about(for me at least). In most cases, it seems that the CT(conspiracy theorists) for reality shows spring up from having their favorites removed/lose (see the American Idol CTs on Clay/Tamyra/Vanessa/Christina or the various BB CTs). Some people have LOTS of fun with CTs. Sometimes I agree with them,and I say why when I do. When I disagree, i do the same. This particular contest seemed VERY randomized - like Bob2112 said - and (IMHO)fair. I'm just wondering if the people who think the challenge was unfair might be sliiiiightly biased turned a cetain bushy-faced buccaneer... |
Grannyg | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 12:30 pm     Bob, thanks for taking the time to help me understand that challenge. I didn't think Sandra did it on purpose but watching it live and not having it taped, I was just going on hope. You are a great spongie!! |
Kappy | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 01:22 pm     Good points, Bob, as to how it was set up, because I admit that I missed that part and I was wondering how some ended up on the bottom which I considered the easiest targets. That said, I also felt it very obvious that 'wind capacity' in the lungs was a big factor in the IC and it didn't long to realize that a marathon runner like Burton was having no problem in that area compared to the other competitors. So even without the placement factor on the wheel, Burton was going to easily win this challenge by taking out whoever he wanted. And yes, I'm still still miffed about MB rigging the entire outcome of this Survivor. Sorry to Burton and his fans. He seems like a great guy. It just ruins Survivor for me. |
Kappy | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 01:30 pm     Pantageas . . . Just wanted to say that I fully expected my fave (Rup) to be taken out as soon as the others could manage it because they would be fools not to. Rooting for Rup to win and actually expecting him to win are two very different things. I've watched every Survivor and never bought into the 'conspiracy' stuff before but this time I just feel it's too obvious. So while I understand that some of us saying these things will ruin some threads for you ~ please understand how much this blantant favortism toward one Survivor is ruining the entire show for some of us who have been watching since the very first one. |
Pamy | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 01:51 pm     Good job Bob! The look on Sandra's face and her saying 'oh shit!' seemed real to me. Thanks for confirming it! |
Catfat | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 03:13 pm     I am still convinced that Jon threw the competition with the rigging and puzzle. I don't have the tapes to review it, but at the time, I said "Jon is going to purposfully blow this in order that Rupert loses." and I was right. Or can anyone clarify for me? |
Gina8642 | Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 06:55 pm     I was very happy to see Rupert go. He had hit his last straw with me by this last episode. That said - I think the contest was quite unfair. I believe the placement on the target may have been random, but whomever ended up at the bottom was at a huge disadvantage - that's not fair in my opinion, even if they ended up there by random draw. A spin of the target before each blow would have been a good way to even things up. On another note - I am a bit sick of IC where no matter how good a player is, he/she has zero chance of winning it - if the others don't want him/her to win. This was two in a row (coconuts, darts). I'd like to see them shake things up a bit. I really liked the obstacle course (RC). Fun, adventourous, etc. I liked that the final round had an added element - the puzzle. |
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