Trish's Chess Move (not a bad one)
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Immunity_Man

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 06:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know that everyone loves the Rupe. Hey, I like him too. He's an asset to any team and a great survivor. But I have to credit Trish for trying to trump the Rupert Campaign. Unfortunately, she didn't have the right players (or the smartest players) in her corner. But IMO trying to oust Rupert was not such a bad idea. I have to credit her for making a gutsy move like that.

Sandra betrayed Trish. Because just think about it...Trish would not have felt comfortable discussing voting out Rupert with Jon and Sandra if the 2 of them had not made mention of it prior to TC. It was great strategy on her part and I just hope Rupert doesn't hold it against her. After all, it is about winning the $1M and the object of the game is to eliminate your stiffest competition. And in this case the checkmate goes to da Rupe!

Maris

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 06:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From the very first show I thought that Christa, Sandra and Rupert had an alliance. It was just a sense I got from the show and Trish made a major mistake and misjudged what her tribe was willing to do. it was a dumb move to try and get rid of Rupert before the merge. He is no threat till then and Shawn was just sitting there waiting to be booted.

Ego is what did Trish in. It is what does them all in and will do Rupert in as well. I look for Sandra or Christa to win this thing.

Csnog

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 06:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Trish had a solid alliance with Rupert, Sandra and Christa. She made her move and Sandra could see that Trish could "not" be trusted.

Trish was behind the booting of Burton because she thought he was a threat to her leadership.

This led to their tribe losing more challenges.

Did Rupert try to grab power from Trish after that dumb move? No! Rupert stayed loyal to his alliance.

Trish was in a perfect place with Rupert as her protecter and should have realized that after the merge others would have voted Rupert off for the same reasons she expressed.

Sweetpea1994

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Sandra betrayed Trish. Trish tried to make her move too soon. She should have kept her mouth shut and let Shawn go and wait for the right moment to try and oust Rupert.

Squaredsc

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it was a bold move but too soon. she should've waited till after the merge then as soon as he loses ic then give him the boot. cause i wouldn't want to go up against him in a f2.

March

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Trish definately tried to get of Rupert too soon.
As Sandra said, they still need him around until the merge at least.
She was OK with them not eating anymore fish if they got rid of Rupert.I guess the rest of them are not ready to starve for the next 18 days as Trish suggested.

Teachmichigan

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In addition to the "no fish" for 18 days...my DH and I both thought losing Rupert now could GREATLY impede Drake's chances of winning more challenges. Based on last night...Shawn is not as helpful at physical challenges as Christa is!! (Side note...LOVED that she "outdid" Osten as well! LOL).

Given that the merge has NOT occured (and appears to be in question altogether...not that THEY know that), and the fact that they might need Rupert to WIN those challenges, we agree..Trish made her move too early and it came back to bite her.

And may I just say...YEAH! One more week of the Rupert Entertainment Center. (and Trish...LEARN to spell his name!!!!)

Lorry

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I definitely give Trish credit for good thinking, but she just moved a little too soon... and somehow, I'd never trust Jon.

I LOVE LOVE me some Rupert and hope he wins, but this season, I don't dislike a single one of them. Not really. I'd like to see Rupert win, but if someone else does, at least it was the best season, IMO, so far.

I hope Trish comes back in the game.

Kaili

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a big part of Trish's mistake could also have been lying at Tribal Council, saying she had no idea Rupert felt that they wanted him gone. Obviously they all knew she was lying and I wonder if that possibly was the difference between a tie and her being sent off. I have no idea how definite Shawn was about his vote- I believe Sandra and Christa were with Rupert regardless.

Lori

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What was she thinking?

Kaili

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's just it- there was no advantage to be gained by lying. If she just came out and said it was true, or even somehow blew off the question...say Rupert went. What good did the lie do? None, cause he's gone and not on the jury anyway. Other scenario- she goes. The lie doesn't matter because she's gone anyway. Did she still think Rupert was voting for Shawn to go?

Fluff

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 12:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was a dumb move myself.

Puttergirl

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She was caught like a deer in headlights. She had no clue that Rupert knew and didn't know what to say when asked that question. I think she went with the first instinct that popped into her head- when in doubt, lie!

Mack

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The lying was kind of dumb but moving too soon against Rupert was the really big mistake. As obvious as it is to us now it had to be equally obvious to both tribes then that Rupert was a strong player...maybe the best ever. Trish knew it and moved to get him out but much too early. Eventually the weaker players will have no choice and, I'm afraid, Rupert will be toast.

Gina8642

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching every season, I've never seen anything said in tribal council affect the vote. They always make up their mind before showing up, so Trish lying was completely for our entertainment. I don't think she really lied either, because she didn't know they tribe was divided over Rupert, she thought she'd sewn up the vote. She just sort of made confused ramblings. She was clearly not comprehending what was up. She was blind-sided. I didn't really enjoy her blind-siding as much as I did Jon's. It was really fun seeing his cockly attitude just deflate. LOL

All that said - yes, she made her move a little early. In another cast, this move would have worked, so I can't say is was 'bad' per se. I'm never sure if the folks whose 'big moves' work out are excellent players, or just lucky. We saw JoAnna (strong player) go last year in a similar move - that one worked.

I've noticed this year, they've really cast people willing to gamble. Burton, Trish, and Jon have made big risky moves that could easily get them booted. Jon's is the only one that's paid off so far (playing both sides in the Burton boot).

Teachmichigan

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
On Yahoo Insider, they have "vote cam" that shows all the votes and what everyone says. Shawn was VERY definite in his vote against Trish. He said..."I'm in control of this game now"....HAHAHAHA

Texasdeb

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Trish screwed up by not riding Rupert's coat tail a little longer. I honestly think she hurt the big guy's feelings & his speach @ tc reflected this. If any of the other 3 who voted to boot Trish were debating what to do - this probably clinched a Trish boot for them.

Neko

Friday, October 24, 2003 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was just way to early to try and get rid of Rupert.
Though, this would be the time where they *used* ti merge way back when (I believe)
So maybe Trish was following the old standards??

Either way, it was too early.
She could have easily planted seeds of doubt with Morgan and Drake when they merged and got Rupert out post-merge.

Enigma2

Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 05:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Immunity_Man, I really appreciated your comments at the beginning of this thread. Trish was my second favorite survivor (after Rupert) and I was really feeling bad that she is gone. (I didn't post for a whole day: in mourning...)

I only wish that Rupert had 'gotten past' his sense of Trish's betrayal, and had gone and talked to her. They had seemed to get along so well before Trish made-her-move. He has lost a much better asset to Drake than Jon, or even Shawn.

And while Christa rocks, Sandra has now gone way down in my estimation.

Teachmichigan

Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Enigma...Sandra's gone down in your opinion for what reason? Because she told Christa and Rupert of Trish's plan?

Webkitty

Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I agree that in general, they all have their minds made up before TC and what is said there does not effect the vote.
The only time I can think of, was Susan's snake/rat speech to Kelly W. at the final TC. It changed Gervaces's mind and he voted for Kelly instead of Rich. Rich won anyway, but if anyone else had changed their mind, well, you know......

Catfat

Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of chess moves, when I play, I patiently pick off my opponent's men, one by one, not making any move against the strong pieces such as the king or queen. I just sort of putter around, quietly picking off a piece here and there, all the while keeping up a strong defense; pretty soon my opponent has no one left to defend the king, then I move in like a tiger.
Now, if Trish has played with this in mind, and stuck by Rupert for awhile until some of his sidekicks were gone, she might have advanced herself in the game.
I don't always win at chess, but I win many more games than I lose.

Enigma2

Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
teachmichigan: It was Sandra's comments to the effect that she did not trust Trish from the first day, etc. To me, it came off as really phoney. She just seemed to be jumping onto a safe band-wagon; with just a little too much energy.

Golly! Remind me never to play chess with Catfat. She's reminding me of the chess game in the first Harry Potter movie...

Catfat

Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Enigma, I haven't seen the Harry Potter movies. Did he win the chess game with that strategy?

Teachmichigan

Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for reminding me Enigma...I remember that comment and wondered at it, too. I don't recall her saying anything negative up until now. Editing or jumping on the new bandwagon?

Lori

Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Trish was a negative force up until her wanting Rupert gone, they certainly did not show it. She really seemed under the radar. Had she waited on this Rupert thing, she would still be there. I have absolutely no idea what Sandra was referring to.

Enigma2

Monday, October 27, 2003 - 01:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Catfat: The chess game in Harry Potter was 'brutal' and the description of your chess game seems similar. I really want to reccomend this series of books, even if you don't have kids. As far as I'm concerned, they are really books for adults, and it's just nice that kids like them too. (And the character Hagrid 'is' Rupert.)

It looks like it is a fatal mistake to try to make a strategic move against someone just before a tribal council. The focus of attention leaves anyone who has been ineffectual or obnoxious, and deserves to be booted, and turns against the person who 'dared' to play the game. (This started on the first show with Nicole.)