Did anyone else see Jon's fingers during the tribal council tonight?
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Gemma120in2002

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He kept displaying the V or # 2 with both hands all through the tribal council meeting. Did anyone else see that and figure out what he was trying to say?

I have to admit, Jon surprised me tonight. I was expecting him to vote out Christa not Burton.

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 10:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i thought they were nixon peace signs. LOL

Sunshyne4u

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon was soooo drunk and cocky I thought he was doing the classic comedy pose.........Nixon saying "I am NOT a Liar"

OF course, He lied to Burton and sitting there in that position should have made it clear to everyone WHAT he did and that he was proud of it.....at least when he was DRUNK he was proud of it! HA HA

Jon may just have made himself next on the LIST to go.

Willsfan

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon went up a half a notch on my list...for entertainment purposes.
He certainly made the tribal council voting a lot more interesting. LOL I almost yelled with delight when JP read off Burton's name.

Tishala

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was a pseudo hip, neo-hip hop "sign" he was trying to make, the way rappers from West LA make the W sign with their hands, I think. There is a name for gentlemen like him, but I don't repeat them.

Azlen

Thursday, October 09, 2003 - 11:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a lot more to Jon than meets the eye. I doubt he was even drunk.

Pamy

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 05:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What I noticed was how LONG his fingers were!!

I am really starting to like him.

Luvmom

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When I watch Jon,I tend to watch him as his wrestling character,Johnny Fairplay.I think alot of what he does is acting.He is so used to having to act in front of the camera,that it becomes second nature.It's fun to watch.I hope he sticks around for awhile.I liked his Randy"The Macho Man" Savage impersonation.

Enigma2

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Luvmom: I cannot imagine Jon winning any wrestling match. (Just look at that –lack of– body.) (He was the only male easily knocked off the plank by a woman in the immunity challenge.)

Also: It must have taken a great deal of will-power for Trish, Sandra and Christa to have voted against Burton, while drunken Jon was available for departure.

Bcandscott

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Suppose for a moment that Burton didn't get voted off last night, but that JON had voted for him. Is it possible being "drunk" or at least pretending to be wasted, was Jon's little insurance policy.

Burton: You voted for me buddy, and now next time we go to tribal council you are OUT OF HERE!

Jon: Dude, I was so wasted, I got confused. I swear, I thought it was vote for who you like best, for the person you thought should win this game, man. I don't know...I was just so drunk....


Now, I realize this is a stretch, but it COULD make a little bit of sense. Otherwise, I have to conclude that Jon is just completely out of touch with all forms of reality and completely devoid of respect for the whole survivor thing.

Sunshyne4u

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting theory Bcandscott....!!

You could be correct.
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I was hoping that the others, tired of Jon's cocky behaviour, would turn at the last minute and vote HIM out! Now THAT would have been drama!!

Ophiliasgrandma

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought he was probably signaling his mom or someone that he was thinking about them. It was a prearranged signal.

Lorry

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BCandScott: Very very interesting theory... I can see Jon working the idea over in his mind...

As for the wrestling Enigma... don't forget, most of that type of "show" wrestling is just that, for show... and knowing how to make the most of every move, knowing how to fall, land, slam yourself or your opponent without injury... Jon just might be more than a clown... I doubt it...lol.. but time will tell.

BTW, earlier it was mentioned that Jon was a Boogie clone... Maybe Jon is a Belly regular and all that hip hop and fingers he stole from Boogie...roflmbo

Enigma2

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bcandscott: I'm going with your last paragraph.

I think that Jon has been 'buzzed' ever since they found booze in the treasure chest.

Regarding 'respect': I'm recalling Jon's camera-monologue when he said that he was having 'wet dreams' anticipating the contents of the treasure chest, but that they got a 'ghetto Chrismas'

Kitt

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was hoping that too Sunshyne!

I got the impression Jon wanted everyone to know he had double crossed Burton & co. They could probably have worked it out pretty easily anyway, but if you watched the votes reveal at the end of the show (while Burton is saying his goodbyes) Jon's vote card had a lot of other writing on it. I couldn't see what it said, but if Jeff had actually shown that card it would have been clear it was Jon's, and he'd have to have known that. Maybe he was too loaded to care.

As it turns out, he can still hide what happened (if he wants to) because one of the other guys also voted for Burton to go.

Lycanthrope

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I noticed the 2 fingers from the beginning of the Tribal Council. I first dismissed them, but figured the dude might be communicating something to the viewing audience...like maybe who was going...Rupert is obviously the Alpha Male, and strongest of the tribe, but Burton was viewed as 2nd strongest, so I figured "2" might mean Burton. Crazy, but I was right....watch that <el> to see what he signs from now on and you may get a clue as to what's really gonna happen, eh?

Teacuppy

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hummmm.... Did you all see the very end when he was voting and had all four fingers up as he held the card four means something. I tried to zoom and read the rest of his sign but no luck anyone else figure it out?

Talon

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could mean that they person he was voting for would be the fourth pereson voted off the islands.

Seamonkey

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tish!! So if Jon is half a rapper, or perhaps an ape, that is why he makes the half a W sign??

Personally I try not to dwell upon ANY portion of Jon's anatomy.. and my salute for him involves only ONE finger.

Pannie

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Teacuppy: Jon's card said Bert and Ernie

There was also some other very tiny writing or a picture.

LOL @ Seamonkey. You mean you're not dwelling on Jon's nekkid white 'heinee'? Me neither. It was funny, tho', that he jumped upon Burton and B yelled "May Day, May Day, May Day".

Freckledgrl

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just wanted to add another possible sign explanation. First let me admit...yes, I love pro 'rasslin

One of the 'rasslers he was imitating earlier was Ric Flair. In Flair's prime he was leader of the Four Horsemen and they always flashed 4 fingers as their sign. Just a thought.

Freckles

Pannie

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Freckledgrl- thanks for help in breaking the code. Did they 'rasslers flash 2+2 or four on one hand. I noticed that Jon did both. Would Jon know Ric or the 4 Horsemen?

Cinbins

Friday, October 10, 2003 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was something to someone at home. Had to be.

Enigma2

Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, here's another possibility:

Jon has a (paying) deal with a bookie &/or someone who is placing bets on who is being evicted. Jon is giving signals of the vote outcome several minutes before it is announced...

(sorry: but this isn't any worse than some of the other ideas, so give me a break...)

Lorry

Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Enigma... you really think Jon is that clever? hehe

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought he might be signaling his IQ.

Freckledgrl

Saturday, October 11, 2003 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pannie, to answer the Four Horsemen questions... yes, he definitely would know who they were and probably grew up idolizing them. And the signs changed over the years from 4 fingers on one hand to two fingers on each hand and every combination in between.

I kinda favor the IQ idea

Freckles

Chance

Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I read on Sucks that the 4 finger deal was a salute to the 4 horseman. Jon was (maybe still is) in the wresling game as a manager and or [promoter.

Ginlei

Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon is being Jon and that is not saying much. Wondering what will he do when the brooze runs out!

Pannie

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance & Freckle: ROFL at the IQ level = 4.

With the 4 horsemen signal, Jon also signaled about 5 more wrestling references last week (his beach-side skit, hand signals, note on vote card, phrases). WOW! I bet that made MB & Jeff mad, "This show is Survivor, not WWF."

Lancecrossfire

Monday, October 13, 2003 - 10:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was giving him 22 for an IQ. Did I over estimate??

Heyltslori

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep.

Allietex

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not a fan of Jon's. His antics on the beach that had everyone laughing seemed just silly to me. I wonder how many of the others were laughing because everyone else was but inwardly were annoyed? I am, however, glad it was not him that went, because I am a big Rupert fan and I believe if the alliance between Shawn, Burton, and the girl (goes to show how much of an impresion she has made on me) was allowed to stand, Rupert was soon going to be gone.

I think Jon is smarter than he has shown up to now. He almost has to be. He has to know that he was going to be number four in the Shawn alliance. He would have been a fool to vote the other way.

I do think he has gotten a little cocky because he had the swing vote last week. Once he is not so important, he will be vunerable. I wonder if he realizes he will also be number four in the other alliance? Once the merge takes place however, he might win immunity and save himself enough that he becomes important again. It has happened to others that we all thought were going to be gone early.