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TV ClubHouse: Archive: General Discussions: The Twist - The Lie - The Regret--spoiler information: Archive through November 28, 2003

Adven

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the worst thing anyone can do to Jon is ignore him. My guess is he hopes to extend his 15 minutes of fame by adopting his obnoxious "Johnny Fairplay" persona and hoping to shock and amaze us all into wanting to see more of him, good or bad.
Being obnoxious is about the only card he has to play. To me, he's just an inconsequential, skinny kid hoping to be noticed. Getting outraged by his behavior is exactly what he wants. He will fade back into the woodwork like most other Survivor competitors unless we all "tsk tsk" him to the point that someone with some clout decides he should get his own show. Ignore him. He'll hate you for it.

Pamy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not as disgusted as most about Jon's lie, maybe cuz we were kinda 'warned' about it for weeks. He also said his gramma would laugh when she found out. Maybe he and gramma talked about this before the show, we don't know what kind of relationship he has with her.

To me he is doing whatever it takes to outwit outlast outplay which is the name of the game.

The things some of the BB players said were far worse than Jon's lie.

Brenda1966

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Pamy. When Jeri accused Kel of the beef jerky that was cruel. When they all ganged up on Christa last night and accused her of tossing the fish, that was cruel. What Jon did was in bad taste, but it wasn't directly cruel to anyone. OK, so they did get suckered into giving him the "family reward", but only one person could win anyway.

Seamonkey

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you go to the cbs site/fantasy survivor game and listen to the clip, Jon's buddy felt worse about it than Jon, who said "well my great gramma is dead".. then snickered that when people asked what had been wrong with Gramma, he'd forgotten to make something up in advance.

I think it was directly cruel to the legitimate family members who travelled to Panama, and to those who actually wanted to see their own loved ones.

But, I cannot imagine that Jon would regret it UNLESS he was F2 and someone called him on trying to use Gramma..

Zipsdaddy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else notice this: After Burton had "won" the immunity challenge, and they were all walking away.... didn't they show Jon walking by Burtons word board, turn his head and look down at it, ... cut... snip.... edit.... Jeff is calling everyone back.....
Did Jon see the board and rat out Burton????
If you taped it... please watch it again......

Seamonkey

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pamy, Jon doesn't seem to feel much at all..

Time to bring in Who and pancake ..

Lauram

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
just a short questioon: Hasn't every other family visit entitled the castaway and family to a special meal together before they joined the tribe (except in Survivor 1 the Doc. and his dad just went on a yacht boat together)

Here there was no meal!!

Pamy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also didn't understand the point of putting all the others on different island for just 1 day, they didnt even show much footage of it.

i thought they put them on other island and would have to start new camp but it was just so Jon and Bud could be alone, that whole thing looked very edited and choppy

Kaili

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree- we didn't even see much of the rest of the tribes night or what they talked about. We saw them get there and we saw Burton with a machete like they were going to start on a shelter. There was hardly any talking time. Basically, we saw the lie discussion while Jon and his friend walked, then it more or les cut to the reward challenge. Weird. I'm surprised the rest didn't even get food. Jeff generally rewards genorosity and jon was generously given the reward.

And wow- the whole thing looked so fake with the conversation as they hugged. Not good acting. Jon looked too happy after hearing the news and his friend looked like he forgot he was supposed to say anything. Jon had to prod him to say it.

Saggkl

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All of this still does not explain why Sandra did not vote Burton out. She surely knows that Jon is a liar and not to be trusted. At best The three girls against Burton, Jon, and Lil. That is if Darrah is even with them it is a tie. It just did not make any sense no matter how you cut it.

Pamy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a lot of stuff with T wasn't shown. On the insider when they voted they were saying how rude, demanding, a what a B$#%@ T was. T did not come across as any of those things.

Kep421

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I know is that Jon has added a another dimension to this game...

Outwit, Outlast, Outplay, Outsurvive, Outsleaze...

Denecee

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think what Jon did to win the reward challenge not only was the sickest thing any survivior or BB player has ever done to "win", but also was the stupidist. What did he win? Time alone with his buddy, whoo hoo! He brings new meaning to the word sleaze.
Sandra lost points with me last night, but her lie was not sick in nature.
A person should never lie about the death of a love one, it's just sick.

Cousin_Jake

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He already gained an advantage for his alliance with Burton by saving Burton - he "Swore on his Grandmother" that he wasn't telling a lie to Sandra and Christie about taking them to the final 4. For the rest of the game he'll probably pull that one.

Pascalle

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well finally a thread of reason. I as well don't think Jon has been the serial killer that some people make him out to be. Through the years I have seen much worse behavior in former survivors. The treatment of Christy in the Amazon and Jenna's win was horrible to me. Also this reoccuring theme that Mark and Jeff seem to get off on, that of editing one person to look like Satan himself.(Robb in Tailand, Jeri in Australia, ect. Ok maybe Jeri-lol)

Whoami

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm wondering if Jon was hoping for a car in that challenge. Wasn't up until last season's Survivor that a car, and some other treat were in store for the "Family Visit" challenge? Or, at lease I'm fairly certain a car was part of some late reward challenge up until the previous season.

Jami

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 04:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems to me that the family reward always included something,,,even if it was just a nice meal. So I was glad to see that if Jon won that with his lie he didn't really benefit.

Starfire

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe some way JP or Burnet figured it was a lie and just let foreplay and buddy be just alone and nothing else.(I hope)

March

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 08:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
zipsdaddy,
I noticed that also with Jon. He seemed to be looking at the words on the board as he walked by and when JP called them back he wasn't even standing by the board.

Fruitbat

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Adven, I agree.

Whoami, yes, Colby won a car when his mother visted. I dont think that has happened since.

Something seemed arranged. Punishing the others was out of character for this game, especially with no mention of the consequences should they lose. Made no sense. This is why I think Jeff and other production people instantly knew it was a lie.

"Didn't you get the letter?" confirmed it to the staff. They all know that there is a phone number to convey messages to the castaways in cast of emergency and probably no address at all!

Squaredsc

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think when it gets to 5 the rc is a car but i could be wrong.

Fruitbat

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think so too. They have changed things as this game progresses. It seemed odd that Colby got a visit AND a car in the same RC. In Marquesas they had a trecherous challenge to win it.

I also meant to add that I think the reason to seperate Jon from the tribe was specifically to get footage of Jon discussing this lie with his friend and hopefully more dirt on his strategy.

Pamy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I read an article in this weeks TVGuide and it says they are giving away an ENVOY SUV, so maybe this weeks reward is the car

which sucks cuz Lil and Burton have a chance to win it, unlike the ones voted off after the outkast fiasco!

I hope MB never does that twist again, it is soooo unfair

Cruzlvr

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't it last year when I think either Matt or Rob won a car? Can't remember the challenge but didn't they win a "tailgate" party with a hamburgers, steak and hotdogs. One of them won it with the car and took the other along.
Can someone help me out here if they remember it better than I do? Thanks :)

Pamy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right Cruz, I think Matt won and took Rob