Csnog | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 06:09 pm     I believe Jon is leading him on. Sandra and Jon know they have to rid themselves of Burton but not right now. They are hiding behind him just as they hid behind Rupert and he is feeding them now that Rupert is gone. I suspect that Darrah and Burton will be their main target and if Darrah wins IC Christa or Burton may be gone. If this happens then we know that Sandra and Jon have a hidden alliance. |
Azriel | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 06:24 pm     Csnog, I told Kady weeks ago that I thought Sandra and Jon had an alliance. They have just tried too hard to look like they hate each other, but when it comes down to it, they never try to target and get rid of each other. It just seems awful fishy to me. I think it's going to get down and dirty in the end though because I do think that Jon would rather go up against Burton or Lil in the end than Sandra. Also, in a video at cbs.com they have Jon saying that if he can't win the game he would like to go down as the dirtiest playing survivor ever. What would be dirtier than trying to stab Sandra in the back after she stayed in a secret alliance and worked to keep him in the game this long? |
Twiggyish | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 06:35 pm     ohhhhhhhh sooo that's how Sandra knew when to spy, too...and Jon knew she was listening, soo he tricked Burton into talking. geez..this is getting tricky! |
Pascalle | Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 02:29 am     Jon doesn't need defending. He is playing a game, his way, not ours and doing rather well I might add. If he goes he goes but he and Rupert were the two who entertained me the most this season and of course Mark B is well aware of that fact. Nobody is going to tune in week after week to see 16 squeaky clean pc'ers do their thing. It's called ratings. |
Pascalle | Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 04:45 am     I might add that I just read a recent interview given by JP in which he says Jon was well aware of the villian role he was to play and never onced complained about it and knew he was to play this role going into the game. Apparently at least some of the cast are given certain roles to play- Ethan, the boy next door - Richard H and Robb C- villians- Rubert and Ruddy- crusty old men, Jenna and Heidi- eye candy ect. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 05:10 am     Pascalle I agree with both you and Csnog. I have been convinced for awhile that Sandra and Jon have an alliance. Her irritation with him has always seemed manufactured. During their interviews they are asked what their strategy will be and how they intend to present themselves. It is part of the selection process. Jon was not asigned a role. He chose it, they liked it and selected him for this mix. I will add, again, that I don't think Jon's lie was that big a deal and I am sure his grandmother got a kick out of it just like he said she would. He most likely told her he was going to do it too. Lying is part of this game. How dull would this game be if everyone told the truth?! |
Serate | Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 04:49 pm     T was on Livin It Up with Ali & Jack this morning. They asked her about Jon's lie and she was like oh well. That it wasn't something she could herself but that Jon had come in saying he was going to lie and cheat and do whatever he had to do to win the money, so he was just living up to what he said he was going to do. |
Allietex | Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 06:27 pm     The only reason I doubt a secret alliance between Jon and Sandra are her comments to the camera when no one else is listening. She still blasts Jon. I would think she would be a little more forthcoming if they had an alliance. If they do have one, they are the craftest pair I have ever seen on a reality show. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 03:59 am     Allietex, yes and that is a good argument for this not to be true. On the other hand, they are asked questions by a producer during the diary talks. They are then edited to fit the story they are choosing to highlight. Tina and Colby's alliance was hidden and I would not be surprized to hear that the diary talks that exposed this were edited out. I can go either way with this one. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 04:34 pm     This is an excerp from TJs CBS chat in the General Discussion area. Jack_Black: Tijuana, when did you finally discover the alliance between Jon and Sandra?? Tijuana: I did not realize that Jon and Sandra had an alliance until I actually saw that episode. My impression was that Sandra and Christa had an alliance and would never support Jon. So, in the end, I realized I was wrong. |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 05:14 pm     Sandra's a fav of mine so if there's any truth in a Jon/Sandra secret alliance, Jon moves up a tad at least for me. I can't wait to see how he dbl crossed Burton. Oh yes! Bring it on. |
Sunshyne4u | Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 05:45 pm     |
Sunshyne4u | Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 05:46 pm     WOW! You know you guys are right. Now that I think about it Sandra and Jon did seem to be arguing in a very theatrical manner. Points to an alliance between the two, IMHO. ** On topic...I think that Mark B. KNEW about this lie and HELPED set up the situation for Jon. His buddy was LAST out to greet him....all the others were bawling, emotional and somewhat distressed after seeing their loved ones. They werent noticing the "blank look" on Jon's buddy's face when asked Hows Grandma? They were too excited at having their family & fiance present and this lead to their feeling guilty that Jon didnt have "his family" there. (IMHO) If Jon's buddy had come out FIRST, I think this whole lie would have fallen flat. * I am really surprised that they seemed to Throw the comp so Jon could win. |
Chy | Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 08:17 pm     Sun...4u, that's a great observation. You're right, Dan's being last one out was the only way Jon's trick could work. Would MB ever reveal his parts in these things? I'm so tired I can't think of it now. |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 08:16 am     Was Jon's buddy really the last one out or was it just edited that way for us? Good points Pascalle -- Survivor always needs a good villian and Jon is playing it perfectly. |
Mydogbuffy | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 03:24 pm     JON SUCKS AND THAT IS ALL THERE IS TO IT. I believe he better be watching his back even when he gets home because he has talked bad about those folks too. I hate that sh__ eating grin and would love to have sand kicked into them. If the girls had any sense they would have gotten rid of Burton last week and Jon at the next chance and then the competitions would be more even - females against females. I still wanted Rupert to win and think he is the best man there. |
Ryn | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:06 pm     So... let me get this straight - you don't like Jon right? ;) I too liked Rupert but I think the odds of him winning are slim ;) By the way - having not read this entire thread - I think Jon is A LOT like Will from BB2. But unlike when Will contemplated the "terminal illness" lie which was stopped by a banner, the folks on the Island have no one to tell them of his sneaky ways ;) Oh thats right - they have been off the island for months and the show is long in the can and we only get to see what Mark wants us too. |
Csnog | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 07:05 pm     Darrah won IC and they still need Burton to feed them so Christa was expendable. Sandra makes a habit of not voting for the one person she knows is going to be gone. Sandra and Jon are thick as thieves. The others are along for the ride as long as they need them. |
Cricket | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:40 pm     I agree with MydogBuffy. I was shocked when the women didn't get rid of Jon. There must be some kind of alliance between Sandra and Jon, but she's the fool because he will probably stick with Burton. The only reason I see him sticking with Sandra is that she is a woman and he may be able to beat her in the comps. His grin disgusts me and he should have been removed from the game for the lie about his grandmother. <el> |
Texasdeb | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 05:10 pm     Jon's "true" alliance is hard to figure out: 1) He's agreed on camera to take both Lil & Darrah to final 3 (I think on the RC he even told Darrah F2). 2) He's talked often w/Burton about the 2 of them being F2. 3) NO communication between Jon & Sandra to suggest an alliance has been shown. IMO Jon/Sandra do have a secret alliance but I believe Jon in only dragging her along because he feels she would be no threat to win the F3 IC and he believes no matter what he'll go to F2. |
Allietex | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:48 pm     One way Jon gets away with it is that he does not try to hide what he promises them; he just tells each one that he had to lie to the others to get them to go along. Each one believes him because they want to believe he is being honest with THEM. Very strange. I hope the women all wake up this week and boot Jon, but even if they gang up they will probably go after Burton thinking he is the biggest danger. Dumb, dumber, and dumbest if they do. |