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TV ClubHouse: Archive: General Discussions: The Twist - The Lie - The Regret--spoiler information: Archive through November 27, 2003

Pamy

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
just click chat at top of this page, it takes you right to the room..there is just one...you came there when you were posting pics for first time. i think

Kep421

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 04:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok...I saw on the commercials yesterday that someone wins and then has immunity taken away from them..

This has got to fit into the lie somehow...

Maybe the contest is to answer questions about each other's personal life, and someone has lied which causes someone else to lose?

Any other possibilities??

Maris

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 05:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they cheated on the immunity challenge, i.e. missed a post or something. So while the person may have been first and thought they won the challenge, it will be ruled a forfeit and the second place winner gets immunity. That is my guess.

Midji

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The lie can't be part of the Immunity Challenge. That would mean that everybody would find out about the lie right away. Jeff said nobody would find out about it until they all saw the show on tv.

Texasdeb

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hope rumors aren't correct that Jon pulls off the "family death" lie. That would be just too crude for me to deal with & take my beloved Survivor show to a low.

Kellirippa

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 05:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think there have been enough hints about the lie, that it is definately Jon lying about the death of his grandmother... don't despair TDeb, it doesn't sink the show to a low...just this contestant....

Schoolmarm

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, thought I should update y'all...distraught-and-missing student's grandma did die. She's not that good of an actress and has some corroboration.

I was glad to be there to console her 5 minutes after she got the news. I hope that she got someone else to drive her home, as she wasn't very stable.

I forget how distressing it is for the college-aged students who haven't been around death much.

I'm still betting that Jon's distressing news is the real or planned death of a relative. The reaction on the preview was very similar to the reation I saw on my student today.

I'm really curious about the immunity being stripped...any other thoughts about this?

Pamy

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The CBS eyemail I just got pretty much confirms the Jon lie

Caycaye

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well...I tell you what??? I just got BOOTED out of the Jon Fan Club Thread for good!!! LOL.....I just posted ONE SHORT post that I had FINALLY made up my mind on Jon...(because previously in that thread I had stated that I couldn't figure out my feelings toward him...one minute he was making me laugh and the next I wanted to "KILL" him)....Anyway...I posted that after last week and Jon SMIRKING at Rupert (very uncalled for) at Tribal Council, and what I ASSUME is his "grandmother" of a lie this week... I have made up my mind...I HATE Jon....There...I said it...

And LOL, I was asked to kindly say it elsewhere...so HERE I AM...

I HATE JON...he is DESPICABLE.....If he tells the other survivors that a family member died...he is almost as bad as Alison in BB4 and that is BAD!!!

Kep421

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 04:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the immunity will go to the second place winner because Jeff is saying in the promo that the immunity idol is up for grabs again...

The promo leads you to think that the contestants have to compete a second time for the idol. It could be just the way MB does the promos....

Lorry

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 06:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL at that Caycaye... hehe

You have to understand, that particular thread is supposed to be for fans of Jon... I post in that thread also, as I do, so far, enjoy Jon's trouble maker antics... but, if the lie is about a relative, suggesting death... well... then that is about where I have to pull back and consider his antics not so amusing.

Sheilaree

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Caycaye, the should have gotten rid of that <>, along time ago. I hope he doesn't win, if he does I am not watching it again. I can't belive he would do that. You don't lye about that.

Niceguy

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whooop, there it is!!

Kristylovesbb

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let it be Jon! I want Jon GONE!

Kep421

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the biggest regret is for MB Productions...for picking Jon as a contestant...

Zipsdaddy

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We all know now the lie is Jon's. It is obvious by Jeff's remark that the persons lie will be regretted for the rest of their lives, and since the survivors won't find out about this lie until the finale, after the votes are cast, and the winner revealed...that Jon must win, and then they all have a chance to curse him out. Outwit, Outlast??? At all costs?? A million dollar winner, but a loser in everyones eye's. It all makes sense now. Trust me, Jon wins, and his life will be a life a regret once his horrible lie is revealed on the finale.

Zipsdaddy

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I figured this out as soon as I saw Sandra had voted out Tijuana instead of Burton. As long as Burton is there, Jon is safe. Didn't she even drag T. into the bushes to let her know she wasn't safe with Jon and T.?? What the F#$#%#??????? Why didn't Sandra vote out Burton instead???
Who's side is she really on??
Like I said, Jon will win, otherwise, there would be no need for Jeff's remarks about <il> telling such a huge lie. If Jon gets voted out the next two or three shows, it would not have made a difference and he wouldn't be bitchin'g about it........

Kappy

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Who side is she really on?" I too was flabbergasted. But then as Burton said 'you can completely hate someone and yet realize that it is to your advantage to align with them'. And Sandra was nodding her head in agreement.

And JP was right . . that was one M-F-er of a lie that Jon told. Outwit and outplay yes but there are certain boundaries that you just don't cross with other people's emotions and he definitely crossed over that line. I am still so hoping that the jury finds out BEFORE the final vote!

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 03:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I did not read that the person who told the lie was the one with the big regret. Anyone have a link to that? In the interviews Jeff states these as two different facts and does not link the them. It is ambiguous anyway. It may be true but I have not read it.

He said the lie does not affect the game. How could it? They were back into the business at hand immediately. Jon gained nothing with this lie. I think he thought they would get to go eat and shower and have a few beers.

If he does regret this for the rest of his life, it implies his grandmother actually does die. I doubt that.

I am in the dark as to why they voted T as well. The editing is not great this year. No fun in watching TC if you have not a clue as to the new strategy. AND MB gave this lie away. No fun.

Puzzled

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The lie, besides being really over the edge, was just plain stupid.

What did it gain him? Did he really think, when he was planning this, that the rest would roll over because his grandmother died, and give him the million dollars?

I doubt that he will have any regrets. The kind of person who would come up with a stunt like that just has no conscience.

Badabing

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Found this at Survivor news.net

"It's brilliant. It's brutal and it's brilliant and it totally suckered me," said Probst, who in hosting and helping produce 'Survivor' watches all of the dailies (the raw footage) while the series is being filmed to prepare for the Tribal Council meetings and to keep tabs on the tribal politics. "My first reaction was 'Motherf----r,' and then my second reaction was 'Wow, that's amazing.' "

Probst went on to tell other media sources that the lie leads to some serious regret on the part of the deceiver and that the other players won't even realize the truth of what happened until the episode airs.

http://survivornews.net/

Ninja_157

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon's lie was definitely a low down, dirty thing to do to his tribemates but I think it's going to help him in the game. I think he probably got the idea from watching Jenna M. Everyone felt sorry for her because her mother was sick. She ended up getting a letter from home during one reward challenge even though Christy was the only one who won. And she ended up winning the whole thing.

The meeting between Jon and his friend was SO phony. "Thunder D" looked like he was going to bust out laughing when Jon asked about Grandma. It's a awful lie but it will make the other survivors more sympathetic towards him.

Pamy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder how Jon feels now, after knowing Jenna's Mom just died.

Mamie316

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I found it just disgusting. I could not believe that someone would sink so low. It totally turned me off of Survivor.

Gemma120in2002

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I doubt that Jon feels anything knowing Jenna's mom just died. If someone told him, he probably said "Jenna who? Oh, the chick in Playboy!"

He is probably one of those sorts of people who is waiting around a relative's death bed waiting to grab off the jewelry before anyone else gets to it. Then while the whole family is mourning the loss, he high tails it over to the dead person's home and ransacks the closets and then grabs all the high ticket items and puts them in his car. Then when the will is read, he'd be the one feeling sorry for himself that he didn't get a big enough inheritance.