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Alaginger

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, Pamy, I guess I sure can't see anything brilliant about that. It didn't really get anybody on her side to vote her back in, and I don't think it would have carried much weight on the votes for or against her once she was back in....but I do find it very interesting that each one of those two characters has a different version of what happened!

Pamy

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 05:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
that's cuz one is a lawyer!, not that there's anything wrong with that!

Ark

Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the lie has anything to do with alliances, voting or anything else directly related to game play. I think it's a personal lie because Jeff was so blown away by it. I found this in a salon.com article about Jeff's movie.

Quote:

There are guys out in the island right now in Marquesas that audience members hate because of the way they are playing. And we tell them that's OK. There are no rules: If you are a lawyer and you come on "Survivor" you can tell people you are a truck driver, or that you have been married 12 times and have had tough times with relationships. But no one has done that yet: No one has come out and played a total lie. People give it up too soon.




This is the only kind of lie that I think would impress Jeff. Everyone expects the players to lie about game stuff but they don't expect someone to invent a home life that isn't true.

Hobbs

Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember the porn star that said he was a used car salesman. And then we saw video of his home during a challenge and there was his Cadillac and his white grand piano in a beautiful house. That was a total lie.

BTW, Did he win?

Dreamweaver

Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hobbs - yes he did

Brenda1966

Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hobbs, Yes, Brian did win and he did say he was a used car salesman, and he WAS a used car salesman! A good salesman can make a lot of money. So it wasn't a total lie. He may have forgotten to tell them he made some money in the "movie" business, but saying he was a car salesman was true.

Zgoodgirl

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted on General Discussion thread also, since there are 2 threads with the same name.

I don't know if this means anything, or if someone already mentioned it. But on my excite homepage, I keep my favorite tv shows up, and they show up to two weeks in advance.

The 10th episode (I'm thinking it's the 10th) which shows on the 26th (Day before Thanksgiving thank goodness!) is titled "The Great Lie:"
Hmmmmm.

Alaginger

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, thanks Zgood..........that clears that up, doesn't it. At least now we know when the lie airs........thanks goodness!!!

Spikefan

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 04:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What if the Big Lie had something to do with the family member being brought back? I can't get out of my head that something could happen like Rupert comes back as Sandra's husband :) Now THERE would be a big lie :)

Seamonkey

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And a big surprise to Rupert's wife ..

But "Great Lie" not "Big Lie".. other than a golf term, wonder what subtle difference there is??

Redstar

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm... actually, the idea that two of the contestants might be related is an intriguing one, especially if they are in a romantic relationship. It would make for a powerful alliance dedicated to advancing at least one of the two to the finals. It would be extremely difficult to hide the relationship, though. If they were successful at it, it would certainly have the potential for JP to say MF.

And remember, while we viewers may well recognize/realize/be told the lie, according to JP the contestants won't know until it's revealed on the TV program. So Rupert will not be reappearing as Sandra's hubby. LOL

Seamonkey

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon is the misbegotten love child of Brian and Tina?

Pamy

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Sea

Brenda1966

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can a golfer explain the difference btw "great" lie and big lie?

Also, during the breakfast with Lil and Burton, when Burton held up his fingers, made a pledge, and said something about being a boy scout -- my thought was "there's our big lie". Maybe Burton lies to Lil about being a former scout so that she'll like him. Yeah, I know it's lame, but these "great" surprises that Jeffy always talks about are usually a let down.

Maybe this was already covered, but does anyone know if Burton was a scout? I don't recall any boy scouts at my school being that good looking. :)

Maris

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My money is on Rupert telling the big lie. Rupert is the overwhelming favorite and the survivor that nobody would expect to be deceptive or lie. That is why Jeff is shocked and impressed.

Grannyg

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good thinking, Maris. I agree that it has to be big for Jeff to be shocked.

Seamonkey

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was sort of joking, but even tho I'm not a golfer, most of my family loved or loves golf.


Quote:

lie - 1. the quality, manner, style, way, or position of a ball on the ground (e.g., good lie, bad lie, downhill lie, uphill lie, sidehill lie, fluffy lie, etc.) 2. can also refer to the number of strokes taken up to the current moment on a given hole when the ball is at rest. Example: "My drive went into the rough but I had a pretty good lie and got onto the green without any trouble". 2. "I was lying 3 and hitting four after I dropped out of the hazard."

lie angle - the angle between the sole of the club and the shaft from the face view (looking at the face of the club straight on). Example: I had my lie angles adjusted because my divots were too deep in the toe.




I also thought that when Burton did the eagle scout pledge that it could have been the lie... considering that the pledge would be significant to Lill. Yes, Burton was an Eagle Scout.

Tabbyking

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 10:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe one contestant has two spouses show up!

Pannie

Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
one of the spouses might be Neheh!

Alaginger

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, My Heck!!!

Jeep

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 06:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And I bet she'll have a mint in her mouth to share!

Fruitbat

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
and that damned tattoo





just beating Square to the punch

Ginger1218

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My sister said, maybe one of them is not the gender that we think they are LOL, something to think about.

Bidasea

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone think Darrah is a little young to be a Mortician?? And Jon does not look like any kind of a Wrestler to me..You could blow him over LOL

Danzdol

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They don't show much of Darrah talking. WE have hardly seen anything about her. She is as quiet as a mouse, at least in the edited version. Maybe it has something to do with her.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We didn't see much of Vee either and she won. My theory is that editing means little in terms of plot. They choose the most interesting footage and if you are not interesting you just don't get air time. Entertainment is first on the list.

The lie is told by a man. The word 'his' and 'he' has been used in the promos. Burton or Jon.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
turtletattooooooo! we are cluelesssss!

Seamonkey

Wednesday, November 19, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But the regret... the word "regret" is used in reference to Lill this week...

Cinder

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The TIVO description for next week says the lie is from a "he" Most likely Jon after watching the previews.

Cinder

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just read the thread for Episode 10. The description is in there.

Miggles

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 10:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could the lie be that Jon and Sandra are actually happily married?

Rabernet

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cinder, I agree with you. I think the preview where he's really upset and everyone looks shocked is Jon telling the lie and pulling them into whatever story he's told them.

Crazydog

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think next week will be the family reward challenge. I think Jon and whoever comes to see him is going to cook up a lie that a family member has cancer, and that they need to raise $500,000 to cover the cost of the treatment. I think people will feel sorry for him and keep him around longer than he deserves.

Starshine40

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
from Survivor Fever and Survivor News (both) an audio of the Haber and Erin show 11/24 with Jeff Probst. (an excerpt)

There was some talk of Osten/Jeff's relationship and also Jon/Jeff's relationship. Jeff said, "For the finale show I would bet Jon won't have any problems with me cause Jon is playing this game and he knows I'm helping him play the game by picking on him. That's the role he took."

Haber then brought up the subject of the big lie and said his prediction is "Last year everybody got mail from home. We saw (in the promos) Jon being very upset. My prediction is that Jon is going to get mail from home saying that somebody died. He's going to tell his tribemates to get sympathy."

Jeff then laughed and said, "I hope to hell that happens. It is hilarious in a dark way. It starts the second the episode starts, the sparks start flying."