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Hermione69 | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:21 am     Although, the use of the word "Grandmother" does point to someone using their grandmother for the lie, because isn't the term usually "Granddaddy of all lies"? So maybe it is Jon and a fake death. Urgh. I like liking him. I hope he doesn't stoop that low. |
Alaginger | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:44 am     Chill Out Hermie.......it's only a game. You'll be alright (LOL). I really wish you could hear the sound on the CBS website 12-point video clip of the week. It is all 100% Jon on the fishing boat he and Lil went on last week. He definitely is playing a part, the part of Johnny Fairplay ..... and he wants to be cast as the "Bad Guy". It's too much for me to try to copy for you right now with me leaving tomorrow.......sorry!!! Thanks for doing the pictures while I'm gone. That's a big help at TVCH. You are right about Grandmother vs. Granddaddy....and I can't help but wonder since the news seems to come during the Reward Challenge, if it wasn't something Jon already had lined up ahead of time with his wrestling buddy that is coming, in case Jon was still there for "Family Reward". I sure hate that I am going to miss this episode!!! |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:58 am     Maybe, like most people are thinking, Jon claims his grandmother has died, which is false, and someone else wins the reward, such as Lill or Burton and gives it to Jon because of the "death." To get such an important reward out of a lie would be pretty huge. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:59 am     P.S. Have fun in Disney World! |
Alaginger | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 08:25 am     Oh, Yeah........I can see that happening!!! Thanks.......We will have lots of fun!!! |
Alaginger | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:01 pm     Voice Over: VO> "Wednesday on a special night...before the hour is over...." Tijuana> "It's not a good situation" VO> "One of these castaways will commit the single worst act of deception..." Sandra> "I never trusted you from day one, and you can't be trusted..." VO> "...In Survivor history" Burton> "You're lying, and you have no reason to lie!" VO> "Who is it?" Christa> "I just wanna go home" VO> "And for the first time....a survivor wins Immunity, only to have it stripped away" Sandra> "Oh man this is crazy" VO> "Why?" JP> "Immunity is back up for grabs" VO> "Find out on an all new Survivor, on a special night, CBS Wednesday" Reward Challenge --- Must be family members appearing, because the facial expressions are priceless!!!
And where is Jon???
Immunity Challenge
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Kaili | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:08 pm     Looks like a good one! I think I'm looking forward to this episode more than any other so far. Sandra sure has a weird look on her face compared to the rest of the group. |
Auntiemike | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:58 pm     So how can one win immunity and then have it stripped away????!!!??? I don't understand. The facial expressions show so much emotion that it could only mean "loved ones" appearing. And, you're right, Kaili, Sandra's face doesn't fit the rest of emotions expressed. Plus: Where IS Jon??? |
Kaili | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:02 pm     Maybe it's one of those things where someone wins, but it turns out they cheated or didn't have the puzzle right after all. Jon has to be somewhere. I think anyway. |
Hippyt | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:06 pm     Maybe Sandra is already out of the game. Notice how Ti is still holding her chalkboard,but Sandra doesn't have hers and Burton's is sitting next to him. They don't win? |
Hippyt | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:54 pm     Here's Johnny Fairplay!
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Hermione69 | Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:13 pm     Hey, I told Ginger I would post vidcaps from the Sunday promos since she is on vacation. Just to let you guys know I haven't forgotten. I will do it tomorrow morning from work. I have an ethernet connection there and it is faster. Hope everyone had a good weekend. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 11:32 pm     Thanks, Hermi!! You are such a super-spoiler!! |
Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 06:38 am     There really weren't too many more vidcaps that are different from what we already have. Here are a couple of Sandra that TDT thinks indicates she is the one that wins immunity and then gets it stripped away:
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Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 06:39 am     her celebration above is followed by:
and a "this is crazy" comment. |
Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 06:41 am     Also the words
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Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 06:42 am     are followed by this vidcap
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Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 06:44 am     this seems to be the show if them walking away from RC:
Neither Jon nor Christa can be seen. And I think this is interesting imagery of Burton, but I don't know what the accompanying voiceover is.
And more interesting imagery, this time of Sandra: First the words:
followed by Sandra in the moonlight
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Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 07:00 am     TDT says that Christa is ahead of Lill in the IC and they have tentatively picked her to be the one that wins it after Sandra (they think) gets stripped of it. Since Christa is the favorite to go next, and Sandra is believed to make it to the F4 or F3, that could shake things up.
The voiceovers continue to emphasize the lie: CBS PRESS RELEASE - November 17, 2003 ONE TRIBE MEMBER TELLS THE GRANDMOTHER OF ALL LIES, ON A SPECIAL WEDNESDAY BROADCAST OF "SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS" "The Great Lie" -- One tribe member dupes his fellow castaways with one of the most shocking lies ever told on SURVIVOR, on a special original broadcast of SURVIVOR: PEARL ISLANDS, Wednesday, Nov. 26 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. A heated argument among tribe members ends with one castaway claiming another to be their sworn enemy for life. Meanwhile, another castaway is accused of sabotaging the tribe’s food supply, but is it a false accusation? Despite the tension of competition, a touching gesture of compassion marks the Reward Challenge. Despite the gesture, no one is safe as conspiracies and overheard conversations fuel the insecurities of every castaway left on the island. And, another tribe member is voted out of their tribe. PROMO - November 20, 2003 Wednesday, on a special night of Survivor... ... Jon is stunned with some devastating news. Lillian: Love you, Jonny! Jon: I love you guys. While a member of the tribe does the unthinkable. Burton: "We can't sabotage the tribe!" Christa crying softly : "I didn't do it. Ugh." Jon: "That was the most idiotic thing that I've seen since this game has begun." Jon: "I have nothing to say to either one of you." Sandra: "Well, f*ck you too." WEB PROMO - November 21, 2003 :: View Here Wednesday, on a special night... ... before the hour is over... Tijuana: "It's just not a good situation." ... one of these castaways will commit the single worst act of deception. Sandra: I never trusted you from day one and you can't be trusted. It's Survivor History! Burton: You're lying and you have no reason to lie. Jon (off camera): You're lying. Who is it? Christa: I just want to go home. And for the first time, a Survivor wins Immunity, only to have it stripped away. Sandra: "Oh man this is crazy!" Why? Jeff (in game): Immunity. Back up for grabs. Find out in an all new Survivor, on a special night, Wednesday. CBS TV AD - SHORT PROMO 1 - November 22, 2003 One of these castaways will commit the single worst act of deception. Sandra: I never trusted you from day one and you can't be trusted. It's Survivor History! All new Survivor, on a special night, Wednesday. CBS TV AD - SHORT PROMO 2 - November 22, 2003 It's the biggest deception in Survivor History. An all new episode, on a special night, Wednesday. CBS TV AD - FOOTBALL PROMO 1 - November 22, 2003 Wednesday, on a special night for Survivor... One castaway will commit the worst case of deception in the game's history. I kid you not! And for the first time ever, a player wins immunity only to have it stripped away. |
Seamonkey | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 11:08 am     Hermi, I hesitate to even ask,not being much of a spoiler, but looking at your caps of Sandra posted at 6:43 and 6:44.. and I don't think they are part of the same series or competition.. look at her buff; in the first one it isn't down on her forehead but back in her hair.. Also I know one spoiler at SurvivorNew.net mentions that one of the clips of Sandra saying "this is crazy" was lifted from an earlier episode. Not that it changes anything.. |
Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 12:28 pm     Actually, Seamonkey, I caught that too and I am glad you mentioned it. I didn't earlier because everytime I see what I think is a discrepancy in a vidcap, I end up being wrong! Maybe one of them is from the answer cube challenge? And the "this is crazy," I remember that from an earlier episode also, but can't remember the specific event. Hmmm. How DARE they mess with our minds that way? LOL! I don't know... I still think Christa is safe, because, like I said, it just seems too much like misdirection. What I am puzzling over is Sandra... why do they not focus on her as a boot? Why do both TDT and Snewser think it is more likely to be Burton? Sandra and Jon HATE each other, unless they really do have a top, top, TOP secret alliance like some people are speculating. I mean, if they end up being aligned, it is going to be the best kept secret alliance in Survivor history! So how does Sandra save herself? If she and Jon really hate each other that much, why does Jon not lead the move to get her out? Or maybe he does? Are we being fooled by inaccurate spoilers? Is Sandra next? Think about it... If Sandra is safe and Christa is toast, wouldn't they play up Sandra's argument with Jon or whoever it is for misdirection purposes? The big focus this week is definitely on Christa/Burton as opposed to Sandra/whoever. If it weren't for TDT and Snewser, I would SWEAR that if Christa wins IC, then Sandra is the boot. I'm talking myself out of Burton and back into Christa or Sandra. Somebody stop me! Christa For boot Next on T/J/D/B/L's list to go. Accused of sabotaging food supply. Thumbs down fron Snewser. Against boot Seen saying she wants to go home a la Jenna and Shawna of last season, neither of whom went home during the episode where they wanted to go home. TDT thinks she wins IC. Sandra For boot Last alliance member is Christa who may win the IC. Seems to be real animosity between her and Jon, and he is in the dominant alliance. Against boot Tip to TDT that she lasts to F4/F3. Thumbs up from Snewser. Burton For boot Huge IC threat. Ghost tribe member. Accuses Christa of sabotaging food... Could backfire on him? Thumbs down from Snewser. Against boot Seems to be firmly in the dominant alliance. Why shake that up now? Occam's razor... simplest answer is usually right... would indicate it be either Sandra or Christa. Crud. I am really thinking Sandra now. I don't know that I buy that tip to the TDT and they don't seem as confident with it either. Thoughts? |
Seamonkey | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 01:15 pm     I'm still thinking Christa.. but what do I know?? I think that Jon would want to keep Burton and Lill longer or even longest BECAUSE of the ghost tribe factor.. that others might not want the returnees to win.. and that might just be Jon's chance. As for Christa saying she just wants to go home... for the average viewer, what she says is virtually unintelligible, so mostly those of us seeking out spoilers and those of you who use closed-captioning, will know she said that, but so far, not the gen. pub. And it might be a double cross.. like we've gotten used to not believing the obvious, so now, give them the obvious? Not sure. |
Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 01:23 pm     Maybe the misdirection is that Sandra appears to be the one who gets stripped of immunity... maybe instead she is actually the one who wins it. If that vidcap where her buff is different and the "this is crazy" voiceover are both clipped out of context from previous episodes, they could just be trying to mislead us about Sandra to take our focus off who we all know is the obvious boot-- Christa. I think I voted too soon! I need to think about this some more. |
Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 01:34 pm     P.S. I think you are right-- at this point, people should be trying to keep the ghost tribe members in the game because if one of them makes it to the F2, it would be a good argument for the other person for winning the million. Seamonkey, you are a better spoiler than you give yourself credit for! |
Hermione69 | Monday, November 24, 2003 - 01:58 pm     Okay, I just went back to Phoenix and TDT, and I was misled by TDT's juxtaposition of the vidcaps of Sandra. The vidcap of Sandra looking pensive does NOT follow the one of her with her arms in the air. As Seamonkey noticed, her buff looks very different in the two vidcaps, and Phoenix has them in different places in the promos. I do not think they are from the same challenge. I do, however, think that Sandra is either the original winner who gets her immunity stripped or the ultimate winner who wins next. That clip of her throwing her arms up in the air very likely signifies her as one or the other, but which is pure guesswork. |
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