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Catfat

Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the lie has already happened. The lie was "fire is life, when your torch is out, you are gone", and then they turned around and brought the bootees back and returned two of them to "life" and relit their torches. Lil and Burton obviously lied in their interviews after their first ejection, especially when Lil was questioned about whether her torch's refusal to go out was a sign of something.

Surfgirl

Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heres a thought on what the "lie" might be...

Seems theres a good chance that Burton Roberts is also John Burton.. from Eco-challenge/Fuji

I would just be repeating whats been said in Kappy's post"Is Burton Roberts really John Burton?"

SO if you want to know more its in this same thread..general discussions!

Ilovethecoach

Monday, November 10, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could the lie possibly be that Lil is not a scout master at all - that she pretended to be so that others would think that she had the skills necessary to help her tribe survive in the wild???

Kellirippa

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, now I see a bunch of you are jumping on the LIE/Lil idea... you'll see all you nay-sayers...

That uniform looks like a costume, and wasn't there internet people who tried to track down whatever scout pack (pack?) number she said she was the leader of, and it didn't exist? And everybody else was wearing evening clothes when they were ship wrecked (ok, so Rupert was in jeans, but he did say they were his "new, fancy" jeans!), and Lil was wearing her scout costume....kinda makes ya say hmmmmm now don't it?

Azriel

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kellirippa and others that think Lil being a Boy Scout leader is a lie. It's been confirmed by too many sources that she is actually a leader. Just look at this write-up in the Cincinnati Post, her hometown newspaper.

Warren County Scoutmaster pitches camp with 'Survivor'

Meme9

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I get the Cincinnat news on TV, they talked about her being a scout leader when survivor started. I really didn't watch it, but hear it with one ear...I was working at the time.

Gen

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel, I found another article that confirms the Lil really is a scout leader. The following is a quote from the Cincinnati Post article.

"The Dan Beard Boy Scout Council is proudly aware of Morris, who is the leader of a long-time troop of some 80 boys that covers the Kings Mill, Landen and Deerfield Township areas.

"There have been a lot Eagle scouts from her troop. It's very active and the parents really love her," said Andy Swallow. a spokesman for the Dan Beard Council. "She has been a scoutmaster for a National Jamboree contingent, been to Philmont (in New Mexico). Her troop is very active in high adventure. They do at least one outing a year whether it's hiking the Appalachian Trail or extended canoeing and camping. She is definitely an outdoor's person."

Link to the complete article:

http://www.cincypost.com/2003/08/29/surv082903.html

Lorry

Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG... I had no idea how physically fit she was. I am so glad she has another chance to use her skills. No wonder she was so hurt when she was booted... that woman came prepared...lol

Survivorcat

Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 11:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lil is a Boy Scout Troup Leader. "There have been a lot of Eagle Scouts from her troup." Burton was an eagle scout. This sounds far-fetched, but ... is there any chance they knew each other previously??

To me, this would be one heck of a "lie" ...

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 02:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My hunch is that Burton tells the lie.

It is definately a man. Jeff would not have said, "mother f****r" about a woman. I think he shares some personal information with Rupert to gain his trust and cement the bond that seems to have been formed. Maybe lies about being a chubby kid too. Jeffs reaction appears to imply that it is sleazy or manipulates someone emotionally.

One thing I do know, for sure, is that when it finally comes out, we will all be saying...............huh? THAT was the biggest lie ever told? We will never believe any hype again because of the REGRET.

Missy2

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 03:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
hahah. Kind of like we would all like last seasons whiner, I mean winner - Jenna.

Naptown

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 05:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the big lie could be that Rupert was not made fun of as a kid. He might have just said that to manipulate the others. He and his brother were both on the high school swim team. Also, I'm wondering if Balboa really died. In an article from The Indianapolis Star, dated Oct. 23, it says (from memory) "few people know about the boa constrictor that Rupert has in his house, and the 20 rats he has to feed it." Since this is the season of ghosts that come back, maybe Rupert's pet will make an appearance at the finale.

Mack

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say is that I'm ready to be disappointed in the "lie". Been there, done that with these shows. Fruitbat and I agree so often I'm beginning to think we're "twins". :-)

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That has crossed my mind too Mack. Was your mother a tiny blonde with a quick wit?

Efilon

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought the lie was Savage telling Lill he would get back to her before the tribal council vote when she was booted. The twist: her coming back and giving him the same treatment he had given her.
The regret? If he had been more honest with her she might not have booted him when she came back. He lost his chance at the million. I think he will regret that for a long long time.

Texasdeb

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The lie: don't think it's known yet
The twist: outcast tribe
The regret: could be Savage's treatment/misjudgement of Lil.

Gina8642

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the lie very well might be Lil saying Andrew didn't tell her. The thing is, I don't think Lil was lying as much as she was just mistaken. There really isn't any benefit to this lie except for the entertainment of viewers. I don't see how it would help Lil or Andrew or any of them. Generally when people lie, they do it due to some benefit they think they will receive. Sometimes one says things that aren't true, but don't realize it. She may have forgotten about him saying something to her, or didn't preceive what he said as 'getting back to her'. Andrew has an extrodinarily condescending attitude. I'm not sure if he could quite lower himself down to the level of just telling her something straight out. I'm sure there was so much spin (like "you know how much we love you Lil") that it wasn't a very clear telling of facts. More of a cop out (at least in Lil's eyes).

However - this circumstance does fit what JP said. JP said he didn't know it was a lie until he got back. Apparently this bit of knowlege was missed by the survivor crew - or else JP probably would have questioned about it at tribal council. Seeing Andrew and Lil hug and Lil telling Andrew there's wood for you tomorrow probably didn't seem like a "getting back to you" meeting.

Missy2

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The lie is that they all actors except for Rupert. He is the only reality in the show. The regret was when they all get naked during that first challege. And the twist is Survivor has turned into the next version of Joe Schmo / Ecco Challenge.

Texasdeb

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The "lie" could be that Burton or Lil is a "plant" that even Jeff didn't know about.

The regret could be that now MB wishes he wouldn't have done this to such a hit because now he has created "Survivor Mole". hehehehe

Wisgal

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The regret was said tonight...in the next week promo's..Lil talking to Jon on the beach,she's crying...that she hopes she won't regret this..

I think Lil is the one with the BIG regret...she turns on BURTON...a person she promised to stand with till the end!!!!!!!!!

Fruitbat

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 03:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
.........or Rupert. He took her into the fold.

Mybbusername

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 04:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As I watched the show last night, I thought that perhaps the lie would be Burtons use of "Scouts Honor" to make a promise to the Boy Scout Leader...

Mack

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Fruitbat my mother was a tall, for her time, brunette but had the quick wit. Used to drive my father nuts since he was kind of a stoic German type with not exactly the best sense of humor. Maybe it would be better just to say "great minds think alike". :-)

Fruitbat

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK deal, but did she make ketchup faces on your scrambled eggs?

Mack

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My mother couldn't cook. On their honeymoon she asked my father how many bubbles came up before water was boiled....he cooked from then on. :-)

But she did ask my girlfriends if I was any good in bed. Hmmm....maybe I should have said strange wit instead of quick wit.