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Surreal_Badger

Saturday, October 25, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i'm thinking the "monumental decision" might just get to be a ghostie deciding who s/he will replace.

i think the osten quitting thing is misdirection. it just seemed a little TOO obvious in the promos.

but who knows. . .

Caycaye

Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ARRRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!! I can't wait until Thursday!!!! I am going to get a RASH!!!!!!!

Grannyg

Sunday, October 26, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There a some really great ideas floating around over at Survivor blows. I had a blast reading them. Below are some that I thought were just to good now to speculate on.

G/D/M/ Challenge

Survivor Blows
How about this? - This challenge is for reward - and the ghost tribe wins. Their reward is that they get to pick who they each individually challenge - So then whoever they pick has to beat them to keep them out of returning - some are successful and some aren't. Way out on a limb
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How about this.
This could be a challenge designed to reveal AND break down alliances.
Tribes start off in the cage. Drake frees Drake, Morgan frees Morgan, Ghosts frees Ghost.
As each tribe is freed they sprint to an INDIVIDUAL challenge, maybe build a fire to snap a rope. This would allow for a shuffling of players regardless of what order they came out of the jail.
After the individual challenge, maybe it's a 3 person challenge to dig a treasure chest out of the sand, but you can't start digging until you have 3 people FROM ANY TRIBE to help you. So, the first 3 people to this challenge could be Rupert, RyanO, Michelle.
So these 3 would have a choice, Form a 3 person team and start digging, or wait for more Drake/Morgan/Ghosts join you.
The 1st few people might wait for more Drake/Morgan/Ghosties, but tribal alliances would quickly break down as people get desperate to start digging and would form improve 3 person digging teams.
After you dig up the "treasure chest" inside could be 3 coins, each person on the digging team takes a coin and sprints to the finish line.
At the finish line could be 5 pieces of wood, each piece of wood could have 2 notches cut. Place your coin in a notch, when another player puts their coin in the ajoining notch you both make the merge.
First 10 players with their coin in a notch make the merge, the last 6 players are out of the game. This would allow MB to make the comment that "we don't bring anyone back" (MB/JP didn't bring anyone back - The Players Brought them back By who they decided to pair up with). It would be random enough that atleast a couple Ghosties would get back into the game. It would throw into question alliances - Christa might question her alliance with Rupert if Rupert didn't wait for her and instead formed an alliance of convenience with RyanO and Michelle to start digging.
It leaves us with 10 players - the right number for the Merge.
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Intriguing idea, mavsfan, yeah. I think you're right that there's a major element of alliance-busting to this challenge rather than it obviously being the point at which Ghost is competing to reinsert booted players. I think the cage challenge is the primer for a reinsertion challenge -- it's MB's opportunity to expose existing alliances *before* the addition of potentially disruptive returning players, meaning the choice of who comes back is more strategically significant.
I was pondering yesterday that Jon is really in an untenable position on Drake now, and would need more brains and savvy to negotiate his way out of it than he actually has, and therefore he needs help to avoid being the obvious next bootee next time Drake votes. Since MB's primary goal in life is to avoid obviousness, the necessary help in situations like this is usually given in the form of an alliance-buster like chopping away other people's three ropes or blowgunning their clay mask, so that the clearly isolated people can have a chance to approach other "less preferred" tribe members to see if a new alliance can be formed against those who have just demonstrated that they consider themselves the front runners. It seems to work every time.
One spoiler we've heard is that Ryan O. gets the boot as a direct result of one twist. Perhaps it is he who ends up -- using your example -- without his gold doubloon in a slot with someone else's, on account of waiting for a buddy to join him and then being beaten to the pairing at the last moment.
Another thing that supports this being some kind of alliance-buster is the fact that people are tied up differently so they have individualized challenges within the larger team challenge. We see Christa heavily roped at the wrists, tied to a pole in the middle of the cell, here:

But we see Rupert tied less heavily to a crossbar:

And Osten apparently tied similarly to Rupert:

Neither Osten nor Rupert appears to be struggling to free himself, so presumably they must wait to be freed by someone else. However, Christa appears likely to have freed herself, as she is seen helping to dig Shawn into the cell while Rupert, still tied up, looks on; if either of Jon or Sandra were free at this point, presumably they'd be helping her dig Shawn in. So there's additional support for your theory that there's a more complex series of events in this challenge than just a regular jailbreak -- there are clearly individual cells in the cages, and there must be some choosing as to who gets helped next, thereby exposing (or underlining, as the case may be) existing alliances for the purposes of letting underdogs have a chance to view that they are underdogs and therefore unite against the alliance at a later TC.

Surreal_Badger

Monday, October 27, 2003 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i just posted this in the episode 7 thread, but i'll post it here too since this thread seems to get a lot of traffic.

from survivor phoenix:

TDT and Survivor Phoenix have learned that the Ghost Tribe will only get one chance to bring players back into the game.

As we reported earlier (see All Booted Players on Ghost Tribe), all of the players previously voted out of Survivor Pearl Islands will return to compete against the Drake and Morgan tribes for a chance to get back in the hunt for the $1 million bounty.

Read more...

As initially reported (see Ghost Tribe Competes), should the Ghost Tribe win, Drake and Morgan will have to vote out a player each. Since we have various spoilers of returning players, it is most likely that we will indeed see a Ghost Tribe win on Thursday.

We have also learned that if it wins the mega challenge, the Ghost Tribe will then vote 2 people back in to replace the newly booted players and that individual players cannot vote for themselves. With the Ghost Tribe comprised of an equal number of ex-Drakes and ex-Morgans, it is probable that the returning players will feature one from each tribe. Descriptions by various spoilers of returning players were said to fit best Lillian and Burton.

Thursday's 3 tribe mega-challenge features an escape-type challenge, as initially reported by Griffe in a post at Sucks. The challenge involves a race to free tribe mates from a series of enclosures, in a challenge reminiscent both of Thailand and Amazon. Run, dig under, crawl, untie, pull, dig, reach for key, unchain, win.

The previews for Episode 7 feature Jeff Probst calmly addressing Drake and Morgan players with a simple "Your past is come back to haunt you." Cue to the booted players emerging from the jungle under a purple tribal flag and sporting purple bandanas adorned with a skull & cross-bones logo. Clearly a jaw-dropping moment for the audience, not to mention for the players still in the game. For once, Mark Burnett's pre-season hyperbole does not disappoint.


On another note, good news for Rupertmania. We have reason to believe that Rupert should be around a bit longer. Still developing...

http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=827&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Alaginger

Monday, October 27, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A thread going on over at Sucks!!! Mr.411 has this posted:

I have confirmed that Laura Boneham (Ginger insert: that's Rupert's wife) flew to Panama from LA on the early Saturday morning the 19th of July, arriving in Panama the same day. However, she flew out of Panama the next day at 19:15 to LA. I would imagine that CBS would send 8 loved ones to the RC because the TC the night before that RC someone would get booted but they wouldn't know who that person is. So my statement is this. They take 8 loved ones to the island. The night before the RC Rupert gets booted, and they fly Laura out of the island the next day because she wouldn't participate in the RC. I know this because a few confirmed loved ones, Peter Waydo(husband) and Deborah Roberts(Burton's mom), flew out of Panama on the afternoon of the 21st. So Rupert gets the boot in the TC before the loved ones RC...

A few posts down on the page Mr.411 adds this:
The flight reservations for Roberts, Waydo (hubby - don't know whose hubby, maybe Lillians?), Boneham and Bradley Williams (Darrah's boyfriend?)were all made for the same dates coming and going. The only person that had a flight change was Laura and that ticket was purchased that day, so I doubt that it was a previous engagement, otherwise they would have booked the flight originally for that day, instead of for the 21st of July.

Grannyg

Monday, October 27, 2003 - 04:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ACK!!!!!!!!! I don't like the sound of this!!

Ninja_157

Monday, October 27, 2003 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Doesn't sound good for our Rupert...maybe the "bearded man" who makes it far into the game is none other than Rhino? I just noticed this week that his beard is getting pretty thick. He is the only one whose facial hair comes anything close to Rupert's.

Alaginger

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 05:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Plus, Burton, is he gets back into the game has a thick beard growing.......

March

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As much As I want Rupert to win, there is a somewhat upside to this info.
1. That means that Rupert is safe for a few more weeks at least.
2. Rupert will make the jury, so we would still see him every week.

Alaginger

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen to that March!!!

Not1worry

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was figuring that MB would do everything possible to make sure Rupert made it to the jury. This week's immunity challenge - Who Has the Longest Beard?

Alaginger

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 05:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ryan O. and Burton both have pretty healty dark beards growing......but, of course, Rupert has the longest beard.

Surreal_Badger

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 06:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
and what about jon's beard?! i'm thinkin' he's not a natural blond.

Pengoh

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Beard colour doesn't really go with hair colour :) My dad has black hair and a red beard, my boyfriend has blond hair and a dark brown beard.

Marej

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In the Nov. 1-7 TV Guide, for Survivor, on page 184, it says one tribe hosts a wedding.

Chance03

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 05:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok ,this is my first post in this thread so forgive please if it has already been said ,or if this could be way over the top.
I just saw a commercial and what if the ghost tribe wins and sends either the Drake or Morgan tribe home in place of them.In the commerial it shows Jeff telling them they could go home.Just a thought

Webkitty

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't want to start a new thread for this, so I'm sticking it in here....

On the eve of this historic Survivor, I thought I would view my tapes and make some random observations:

Opening imagery:

Jon gets a surfacing whale, but it doesn't break the water. So does Trish.
Darrah gets a whale jumping out of the water in a dramatic fashion. Osten gets a lizzard. Lil gets a skull and crossbones. Ti gets a big, booming cannon shot at the very end.

While on the boat to the drop off site, before they had to jump ship, they all looked pensive and serious, except for Osten and Christa, who were looking around at the others with smirks.

Sandra had the first confessional. She said oh, sh!t.

Christa had the second confessional. She said Rupert is a big ole hippy.

Jon had the third confessional. He said he goes by the moniker of Jonny Fairplay.....I don't play fair.

Osten complains for the first time. (about the water)

The difference between how Drake and Morgan handled the market was even more striking watching it a second time.
Drake couldn't have dealt with the situation better, Morgan couldn't have handled it worse.
Biggest idots, Ryan O. raced down to the boats without any money or a map of where they were going (lol)
Osten told the girls to get topless for supplies.
Sandra and Drake delt with the woman shopkeeper as smooth as silk. Morgan's interaction in that shop was beyond chaotic.
Last two confessionals as they left:
Jon: Sandra was sooooo amazing!
Osten: people are saying we are leaving without what we need....only time will tell......(uh huh..)

At camp:

Shawn was the one with the Armani suit. He cut off the trousers to make shorts.
Osten confessional: the sunrise is going down quickly......(lol)
NICHOLE brought up the whole thing about Andrew being their leader. As soon as she said it, the others immediately jumped on the idea and pleaded with him to take the position. (poor Andrew, if he only knew...)

First IC: Jon,Burton and Trish kicked butt!
Ryan S. DID look kind of wimpy (but I still like him)
When Jeff told Morgan someone would be going home, he looked right at Lil.

Andrew gave a "buck up" speech when they got back to camp. Lil pouted. Ryan S. kept telling her not to give, up; ...this game changes EVERY day!!!....
Andrew says that Lil came to him about Nichole, and he trusts what Lil says 100%. He can trust her. Darrah scowls.

TC: Jeff says: Fire represents life, on the Island and in this game. When your fire is gone, so are you. (right...)

They talk about Andrew being elected the leader, Darrah scowls, they vote.
AFter Nichole leaves, Jeff says: ....you are not out of this game until your torch is snuffed, keep that in your head the next 36 days. You can ALWAYS save yourself. (ummmmm, REALLY?!)

episode 2.......after a refresing pause for webkitty

Gen

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, thanks for the summary. Looking back is interesting - 20/20 hindsight. Keep up the good work!

BTW, does anyone know what is going on the Acme Brain Trust? Went to the site earlier and it is no longer there. It currently is some kind of ad site for domains. Their track record this year hasn't be very good, did they give up?

Jeep

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't know Gen, I got the same thing.

Webkitty

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Episode 2....

(I have to say, I forget in the episode 1 summary to put in Rupert pillaging Morgans shoes at the Market, one of the best moments!)

Here we go....

Morgan at night, Ti is shivering in her skimpy buff (what happened to your blouse Ti?)
Ti confessional: its so cold at night!
Osten confessional: ...its only a matter of time before pneumonia sets in...
Andrew: has sleep deprivation
Osten: Skinny Ryan on his best day, doesn't equate to what I can do on my worst day. I'm not knocking him, just physically doesn't have anything to offer. Just doesn't have what it takes to get it done. (no comment)

At Drake: jaunty pirate music plays....

Rupert: I'm in paradise! What more do I want? I have beautiful souls around me. I love being in the middle of a giant fish tank. (awwww)
Then, Shawn loses the spearhead. Rupert is upset and confronts Shawn. Trish runs up to get a ringside seat. There is discussion among the tribe on who should go fishing.
Rupert won't give up until he finds the spearhead. He lets out a huge bellow of triumph!

Cut to Morgan......
Ryan S.: There may not be more pressure for any Survivor in the history of Survivor to do well at a challenge than me. (you said that right)

RC: We are treated (not) to a shot of Lil's big white panties as she makes a valiant effort for her team.
Ryan S. failed miserably the second time I watched it too.
Christa was an Amazon in this challenge!
Drake wins.

Drake elects Sandra to go pillage. Jon wanted to hurt them by taking their tarp, Rupert said there was no need to do that.
Sandra shows up at Morgan and takes their tarp anyway. Darrah lurks and scowls. She gave a bleeped out confessional. Note: this may come back to haunt Sandra (ya think?)

Now, Osten wants to quit. "I'm gonna get sick!"
Ti has a heart to heart talk with him. She says: "you would be a loss, not only for us, but for me, we're in this together" (ummmmm)

IC: Jeff asks about how the looting went. Sandra said...it was fun to be a pirate!....then Jeff said, just remember, payback can be painful...and the camera zoomed to Lil..........

The IC starts. Andrew kicks butt and Morgan has a huge lead until RyanO can't get the co-ordinates open. I noticed Jon kicked butt in this challenge too. Morgan loses.

Back at Morgan, Osten has had enough, and asks RyanS to vote him off. We see Osten throwning "ball" with someone on the beach, and Lil makes the observation that there is nothing wrong with Osten, he just has given up.
Darrah scowls.

TC: Andrew accuses RyanS of not pulling his weight. Jeff puts the screws to Lil but she's not talking. RyanS says he was asked by someone to be voted off, but won't say who.
RyanS gets his torch snuffed, but not for long.......

Jeep

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Snewser just posted his picks. Here they are:

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Boot: Shawn & Osten (and both are checked)

Redstar

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gosh, webkitty, I didn't realize what a sourpuss Darrah was until I read "Darrah scowls" for the third time. That would make a good bonus question for the poll, wouldn't it - How many times will Darrah be shown scowling? A. 0, B. 1-3, C. 4-6, D. 156

Webkitty

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Episode 3

Moral is low at Morgan. Lil prays. Osten tries his hand at fishing.

Drake looks for treasure.

Treemail for the RC: Morgan wants those blankets BAD. At Drake, Jon and Sandra get into it over who will sit out the challege.
Jon gives a confessional:
We have bigger threats to get rid of first, but she's not one of the final 4. And I have a mil that says she won't be the final one. (we'll see)

RC: its sink the other team's boats. Darrah is a bulldog, so is Rupert. Osten steers his boat off to the corner and then sinks it. Jon and Michelle cheer Drake on. (Jon should try out for the Nationals)

Back at Morgan: Andrew gives Lil a pep talk, he gives everyone a pep talk.
Confessional: Osten doesn't have the confidence. Drake has Rupert.
Lil says she's going fishing in the morning.
She looses the hook. Ryno says he's pissed. If she would have waited a few minutes, he would have gone with her.

Back at Drake: Christa is choosen to pillage. Many different opinions on what to take. Christa has reservations about taking Morgan's pot. She doesn't want them to starve. Rupert has reservations too, but says that what pirates do.

At Morgan, Ryano decides to try and make a dragnet. "I have to become McGuiver out here to survive, I guess (laughs)

Christa arrives to loot. She gives hugs all around and says she feels bad about looting. Morgan tries to get info out of her but she's not talking.
Osten doesn't buy her act. He says she's lying, just think about it, the girl's trying to crash(?) us, she aint as dumb a dork as she's trying to play off, her big bird type personality she's trying to play off is a farce, she's a phoney.

Andrew: (ominous music plays) They (Drake) have this euphoria, the adreneline that naturally results from winning, and that's HUGE out here. We haven't had that yet, so I can't wait for Drake to suffer some defetes and see if they just crumble.
(more ominus music)

Treemail for IC: select your smallest and your strongest. Morgan picks Darrah, and Andrew asks Osten if he can do it. Andrew: not to put any pressure on you, so, but the entire fate is on your shoulders. Osten waves him off and says don't say it.

IC: Drake wins.

Back at Morgan, Andrew gives Osten a pep talk.
There is a discussion if its Darrah or Lil to get the boot. Ti talks to Darrah. She reports back to Andrew that she couldn't get a read on Darrah, she doesn't say anything.
Lil makes a pitch to Andrew to stay, but its obvious Lil is going. Lil says thanks at least for talking to me.

TC: Jeff says, as of now, your the losingest tribe in ever. You may set a record that will never be broken. (geesh)

Morgan says they will get it together. They just need one win to energize them. They are just in a slump. Jeff is incredulous.
Andrew says he predicts the next challenge we will be onthetope. we will be on the winning side.

Vote: Lil is out. Jeff, the tribe has spoken. Her torch won't go out. Jeff says, lets try that again, they don't want you to leave. Lil says, yea right.
Note: this was so much fun to watch. The look on Jeff's face was priceless. He has got to have one of the best jobs in the world!

Webkitty

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Darrah scowls a lot, Redstar. I left them out of ep3 cause I didn't want to seem impartial, but yea, she's a scowler alright! lol

I have to go get ready for a party, so I have to stop here. Maybe I can finish up tomorrow. Later!

PS: so Snews says its Shawn and Osten. ummmmmmm

Gen

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, TDT also has their picks up on the Survivometer.

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They say that Shawn and Osten are "Toast".