Andrew's Attitude
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Andrew's Attitude
Puzzled | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 08:30 am     I think Andrew has grit and integrity, but his judgements as a leader were just so off. Last night, he shot himself in the foot when he was talking to Lil. She was venting and he practically turned his back to her and he didn't make much of an effort to win her over. He should have let her have her rant--she was treated badly from the beginning--and then made a deal with her. Burton was smart enough to listen to Rupert's rant and then make apologies. |
Jami | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 08:36 am     Andre on the Morning Show this morning said that although it wasn't aired that he did tell Lil that she would be leaving. If I remember correctly he said, "Lil I am sorry about what is going to happen at TC. It is nothing personal,,,just the game". Something like that and that they hugged and that Lil pointed out some extra wood she had gathered and said "There is the wood,,,I know I won't be here to gather any for you tomorrow." I had always thought less of Andrew because he had said that he would let Lil know before hand,,,and it seemed like he didn't. But if that is true it bothers me that we were misled like that. |
March | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 08:41 am     Jkm, Apparently Rupert did offer Andrew some sort of deal and Andrew turned him down. Tried to take Rupert up on the deal again minutes before going to TC but it was too late by then. |
Needmylifeback | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:00 am     And Lill did say in Thursday's episode that Andrew DID NOT tell her before tribal that she was going. So maybe Andrew thinks he told her....but in last nights episode when she confronted him...it sure didn't look like his lips moved when she said ..."but, you didn't tell me".... So somebody may be lying...Hmmmmm.... Scoutmaster...vs....Lawyer..... (And I can say this with a straight face because I was a Den Leader and my Brother is a Lawyer...and at times we both are pretty good at lying! LOL!) |
Skypilot | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:32 am     I thought it was INCREDIBLY stupid for Savage to stand right in Lillian's face the morning after her return and talk to her about the fact that they couldn't vote her off at the next tribal council. It really came off as though he were trying to figure out when they COULD vote her off again. It was like he was plotting against her right to her face. |
Lilfair | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:33 am     There is a difference between telling Lil I'm sorry about TC, as they were walking up there, as opposed to before they began the trek. I find Andrew's attitude toward both Lil and Skinny to be foolish stereotyping and look what it got him.... NOTHING! Andrew treated Lil poorly the first time around and last night, too. As per usual…"I was edited poorly'…I’ve heard that excuse before. He was a poor leader because he only took only one aspect of his tribe members into consideration…how physically strong is this person…we all know brute strength alone will not win the game. Andrew coddled Osten all the way through, even when Osten said I’m DONE, Andrew still wanted him on HIS tribe…duh. Osten brought everyone down mentally with his constant whining, moaning, groaning and Andrew went along with it…stupid move! His only consideration for voting at TC was his perceived physical strength of the individual tribe mates. |
Lorry | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:34 am     I liked Andrew. I still like him. I'm sorry he's gone. However, the game is just a game, and he made some crucial mistakes. It happens. Andrew's goodbye was very well done. He will be remembered fondly. |
Pantageas | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:34 pm     Andrew didn't seem to be too bad of a PLAYER, but if you want to be a player-slash-LEADER, you've got to BE a leader. As a LEADER, he should have been a unifing factor among his tribe - he seemed to be the most divisive. He should have been realistic in determining their strengths - we know he did the opposite. He should have kept the tribe focused and directed - we know he didn't. The only thing he really accomplished was guaranteeing himself total safety until the merge by deflecting the vote toward others. He did that well. And upon the merge, he had the bullseye on HIS back for being such a strong PLAYER... |
Amchess | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:43 pm     I believe Lil in that Andrew did not tell her she was going before TC. And because of that I loved her answer back to him when he asked if she would get back to him before TC with her decision. He had no reply for her and walked off. Rupert loved it too! |
Squaredsc | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:52 pm     wonder if that's the big lie and lill's the one telling it? |
Tabbyking | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 01:32 pm     doesn't seem like that would be the big lie, because there are lies like that all the time on every survivor and in most episodes. but it could be, because all the reality shows say, 'big this', and 'most dramatic ever' and 'huge twist' and we are expecting big, dramatic and huge and often don't get it! |
Woofy | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 04:29 pm     Face it ... when it came to being the leader, "Savage" had delusions of adequacy! |
Rupertbear | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 04:45 pm     Hilarious, Woofy! |
Texasdeb | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 04:51 pm     His treatment of Lil was his downfall & I think all the other Morgans realize this. Stupid, stupid, stupid - IMO he got what he deserved. At least when Rupert crossed with someone he cleared the air so to speak b/4 it became a grudge the other person carried against him. |
Whoami | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:09 pm     My biggest gripe against Andrew is his apparant tendency to assess a person's value within the first half a second. Ryan S touched on that, when he mentioned in his post-boot interview that even on the ship, before they jumped overboard, Andrew had already written him off and refused to listen to his suggestions. I've run into many an Andrew in my life, especially when interviewing for a job. I would NOT want Andrew sitting across the table from me in an interview. I'd be rejected before I was even seated in my chair to begin the interview. |
Caycaye | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:25 pm     TRUE Texasdeb and Whoami...IF Andrew could learn ONE lesson from his time on Survivor...it should be to learn "to walk a mile in someone's shoes"...and not JUDGE people right off the bat. He is NOT a great judge of character at first impressions, as he so aptly showed us this season. I wonder if he will ever read this kind of chat board, and LEARN something about himself. It sure would help his law practice. My sister is a district judge, and I was thinking how differnt she is than Andrew as far as being open-minded about people at first glance. God help him if he becomes a judge before learning this life-lesson! |
Catfat | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 12:38 pm     Andrew's arrogant dismissal of people he considered inferior by reason of their looks alone was his downfall. Ryan S. because he was thin and lanky, Lil because she was an older female. It is an unfortunate fact of life that there are a lot of people like Andrew out there running things; they recognize each other and gravitate toward each other, and eliminate everyone else from their power circle. The good part of this is that there are more of us than there are of them, and we can form our own cirle and never have contact with people like that again. |
Texasdeb | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 02:28 pm     Catfat - You tell 'em! The only positive I got from Andrew was his win in the sand bag challenge. His total arrogant "way" just urked me from the start. I am sososososo glad he is GONE & not even on thy jury. This hi-profile attorney couldn't even make the jury! hahahaha... |
Lorry | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 03:22 pm     I'm soooo in agreement with you Catfat... I liked the way you made your point. I enjoy reading your posts. |
Catfat | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 03:37 pm     Thank you Lorry and Texasdeb. I'm a mouthy old broad with a big vocabulary. |
Surfgirl | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 09:42 pm     Catfat : You hit the nail right on the head! Ryan S. had great ideas from the beginning..Enter the Village as a team.. Money left to spend at Village.. Dont sell all your clothes and live in boxers for 2 months.. oops last idea was mine sry..lol Andrew just blew him off from the very beginnig. Well look at where hanging on to the "Pretty People" got him! You know it just has to be killing him that Lil had his fate in her hands! With the way Ruperts been picked on and with the return of Lil.. and Pretty boy Osten being such a wuss you almost wanna label this survivor "Revenge of the Nerds". and I mean that in a good way! |
Caycaye | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 03:25 am     DITTO! Surfgirl!! |
Csnog | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 05:36 am     Andrew better hire a jury consultant in the future. He had some good qualities but reading people is the least of them. |
Puttergirl | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 07:08 am     Surfgirl, I love that!!! Being a nerd myself, I love your labeling of this survivor as "Revenge of the Nerds". I hope Lil goes all the way!!! I always root for the underdog. |
Catfat | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 10:27 pm     Does anyone have a link to Andrew's after-boot chat? Thanks |
Spear | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 12:18 am     Transcript of Andrew's chat. It will also show up on the official CBS web site some time next week. |
Enigma2 | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 12:47 am     Thanks for the link, Spear. Interesting reading. Your guys are reminding me about the 'silent' prejudices that we endure &/or enjoy –based on how we 'look.' (eg recent studies were showing that, in the same starting job position, a man over 6 feet would be making 5K more per year than a man under 6 feet....) |
Bcandscott | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 06:27 am     Having read Andrew's post boot interview, what little respect I tried to conjure up for him is gone. Sore loser, poor sport, and way too bitter against those people he treated badly and then expected THEM to be completely loyal. He's still singing the praise of the almighty Osten. This guy will NEVER have a clue. |
Catfat | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 10:17 am     Thanks for the link, Spear, this is great. |
Caycaye | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 10:36 am     Bcandscott.....what a sad thought. I was hoping that Andrew would have learned the lesson "right before his eyes" that Survivor wanted to teach him. At least some of us, "got it". Anyway...I kind of admired Andrew, but to think he is that closed-minded to improving himself....just plain sad. |
Bcandscott | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 11:56 am     Caycaye, that's just what I thought. He could have learned so much and instead he continues to talk about 1) he wouldn't change a thing because LIL was just going to do what she wanted anyway (as if it was ALL her fault) and 2) The other tribe had it so much better than us. I'm sorry, but the part about how "OUR lagoon" didn't have any fish and "THEIR lagoon" was full of fish was just plain goofy. He can't possibly believe that, can he? |
Puzzled | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 02:25 pm     Thanks for the link, Spear. Very sad--he's always right, so he's learned nothing. |
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