Ep 10 title:What Could It Mean?
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Alaginger

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay......the next show is entitled "The Great Lie", so obviously this is the show where the great lie happens. (Of course, I'm still trying to figure out when Lil had a slight anxiety attack last night.....didn't see that at all!) The promo also says "He" and there are only 2 "He's" left. So there is a 50% chance that Jon tells the lie just from that standpoint. So if it is not about a grandmother...........here's another scenario I thought of from what little bit of previews we were given.

Suppose.......Sandra and Christa approach Darrah and Tijuana and point out that the best they can do with Burton/Jon/Lil is 4th/5th because of the numbers unless one of them goes on a II streak at the end. But, they point out that if DT join SC, they will have the numbers against BJL and they will increase their finishing to 3rd/4th...plus it would be easier to compete at the end against each other than against Burton and company. Jon or Burton get wind of this and one of them tells the big lie about the food being tampered with by Christa as revenge for losing Rupert, so they can discredit her in the eyes of DT to keep DT in line by appealing to their tummies! How's that? JP could be suckered into believing it for a short time, and it comes out in a confessional that it was a lie but nobody knows about the lie until they view the show next week.

Fruitbat

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you have it with Jon's grandmother "dying".

Pamy

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jon wins reward and gives it away.
I think Ginger is on to something also...good catch on the Grandmother thing! I bet you are right on the money!! Maybe Jon put down he would like Gramma to visit if he made that far but secretly told a family member to say gramma had died if Survivor called! I could see JP saying MF-er and brillant to that!

Alaginger

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Episode 10
CBS Website Teasers

One of the most heated Survivor arguments ever ends with one castaway declaring the other a sworn enemy.

Christa is accused of sabotaging the food supply. But is it a false accusation?

Despite the tension of competition, a touching gesture of compassion marks the Reward Challenge.

No one is safe as conspiracies and overheard conversations fuel the insecurities of every castaway prior toTribal Council. Who will be next to go?

Fruitbat

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Castaways declare sworn enemies willy nilly.

The sabotaging hoopla will be brief and resolved soon after.

Touching gesture. The word gesture does not sound like a procured reward is given away. That is much more than a gesture and they would hype that. Maybe Burton is winning but holds back so John can take it to give him time with his family since his grandmother died? No, he already gave a reward to Jon. This has Lil written all over it.

Since I am feeling chatty this morning I shall continue. Sandra is the smartest player right now and working on her next alliance. It would be to her benefit to give someting to TJ or Darrah.

Gen

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the lie is about a death, more likely an illness. Remember when Tanya's father died during the Thailand filming. The family notified Survivor who then let Tanya know. I would think if a family member of Jon's died, the same thing would happen.

Kaili

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But wasn't she already voted off by the time that happened?

Wilsonatmd

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you're right Kaili....She was voted off very early on, before the jury, and her father died just before filming ended. Since she didn't have to participate in the final vote, they let her go home early.

Hippyt

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes,she was already at loser's lodge when her father died,so it didn't interfere with the show. I'm so confused,if his Grandmother really did die,I'd think they would give him the choice to stay or go. He decided to stay,and it kicks him in the butt later?

Hippyt

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok,Maybe he tells the lie,and instead of it working to his advantage,they sympathy vote him out,so he can attend her funeral. Only,she isn't really dead! HAHAHAHAHAAHA

Now,I don't dislike Jon but,that would be pretty funny.

Grannyg

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hippy i love that idea!!

Wilsonatmd

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
there's a potential wildcard here....According to a promo, Immunity gets stripped from someone supposedly....the rumor is, it's a puzzle solving race, and someone wins, but gets DQ'd for some reason so they have to redo the IC...

Dkstar2162

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hippyt
Thats the best scenario by far the most hilarious!!! HAHAHAHAHA

Pamy

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Love it Hip

Kappy

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What sweet justice, Hippy! Love it!

Seamonkey

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 11:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The promo tonight showed Sandra saying she had never trusted <someone> from day one.. which would have to be Burton or Jon..

Shows Burton yelling at someone?

Then shows Christa looking upset and saying she wants to go home (but it is hard hard hard to understand her.

It mentions the biggest lie ever

And it shows Christa and Lill? working on puzzles on tables, then talks about immunity stripped, shows Jon's face, then Sandra making a comment..

That is from memory, but that's the gist of it.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 05:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The immunity being striped is curious. One assumes it would be retaped and edited not to show a glitch. Must be more than that.

Hermione69

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
FWIW, Snewser has his thumbs down icon by Burton and Christa. His list currently goes like this:

Burton (thumbs down)
Christa (thumbs down)
Tijuana (thumbs up)
Sandra (thumbs up)
Jon (thumbs up)
Lillian (thumbs up)
Darrah (thumbs up)

TDT thinks Christa may win immunity, which would definitely throw a wrench in the plans of getting her out next. The more I think about it, the more that makes sense. She is featured very heavily in the promos as a victim and wanting to go home. Which could well be classic misdirection. She wins immunity and stays. So who is next? Sandra is the only one left of the Rupert gang, but spoilers have her lasting until F4 if not F3 or F2. And Snewser has her with a thumbs up. Maybe that 5 person alliance turns on B because he is such an IC threat and, additionally, created all that drama with Christa which apparently did not go over well with anyone.

I'm actually leaning towards a Burton or Sandra boot and since the big guys (Snewser and TDT) seem to think Sandra is safe, I'm going with Burton right now. I don't think anyone left has any real loyalty to anyone else! I don't think T, D, J and L will have a problem turning on Burton, especially the women who will probably think he was way too harsh on Christa.

TDT also has Jon as a possibility, but I think he is safe. I think he will be the F3 man. Remember when he and Lill were on the boat for the RC? One of them made a comment about being in the F3 together and I think that was foreshadowing because it fits with what we already know.

Hippyt

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm thinking I agree with you Hermi. They should take the first opportunity to get Burton out,he's too strong. I think they will.

Seamonkey

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that they should boot Burton.. anytime they can.

Oh and Jeff is seen holding the sword and saying "Immunity is up for grabs again". So I have to rethink some answers I made about how the stripping of Immunity is handled..

Hmm, I still have Christa to go, but I'd much rather see Burton go.. or Tijuana or Darrah or Lill or Jon ..

I know the show is a day early, but still, isn't this early for Snewser, Hermi??

Starshine40

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 12:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
from Survivor Fever and Survivor News (both) an audio of the Haber and Erin show 11/24 with Jeff Probst. (an excerpt)

There was some talk of Osten/Jeff's relationship and also Jon/Jeff's relationship. Jeff said, "For the finale show I would bet Jon won't have any problems with me cause Jon is playing this game and he knows I'm helping him play the game by picking on him. That's the role he took."

Haber then brought up the subject of the big lie and said his prediction is "Last year everybody got mail from home. We saw (in the promos) Jon being very upset. My prediction is that Jon is going to get mail from home saying that somebody died. He's going to tell his tribemates to get sympathy."

Jeff then laughed and said, "I hope to hell that happens. It is hilarious in a dark way. It starts the second the episode starts, the sparks start flying."

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From Charlie the Big Dog at Sucks-- (this may be from the same interview as above; I'm not sure)

"Here's a few highlights from an interview done with CBS Radio Affiliate in Seattle Washington KIRO 710

-The "Big Lie" is going to unfold during the next two weeks.
-He called this season's contestants' strategies "flakey" and noted how everyone keeps flip flopping, and how we'll see a lot more flip flopping before the season ends.
-Said that being indecisive is one of the most common reasons why someone gets booted (WTF?), points at Christy Smith as an example, and says it will cost someone this season.
-Noted that the whole "big regret" thing was taken out of context. But the big lie is real.

That's pretty much it as far as the spoilers go. He did also mention that he doesn't plan on giving Osten the satisfaction of getting into an argument with him during the reunion. He noted that there will be no problem with him and Jon because Jon "gets it" regarding Jeff's job, and Osten doesn't. He said so far people are really going to dig Survivor All-Star, calling it 'the most drama heavy stuff I've been involved with"."


Interesting that he said the Big Lie would unfold over the next TWO weeks.

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This comment by Badger at Blows really turned a light bulb on for me-- "and remember, ol' burton was a real sour-puss about christa in his interviews when he was booted the first time. how hilarious if she survives him again."

May explain why he was so negative about her when he got voted out the first time! He wants her gone and she outlasts him not once, but twice! Oh, the irony! I'm still leaning toward a Burton boot. Especially with JPs comment above about flipflopping alliances.

Pannie

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 08:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like your thinking Hermi. Time for another flip-flop. Go Burton, go! And I mean (ex)it. LOL!

Caycaye

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 10:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! Pannie!! So TRUE!!! I HOPE Burton EXITS!!!!

Fruitbat

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 04:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If it takes two weeks for the lie to unfold it makes me think Jon lies tonight and next week they find out, somehow.

Glad to hear that Jeff is playing along with Jon in a role he, himself set in motion. Makes sense.

I, too, think Jon is the F2 man. All the castaways are looking to boot both Lil and Burton. The fact they are back is a major irritation. This is a very big deal to all of them.

It would not surprize me if Jon and Sandra have an alliance they are hiding. MB has not hidden anything like the Tina/ Colby relationship since. Sandra's outburst at Jon in the last TC did not ring true for me. It came out of the blue. We have not seen them at odds with each other in any other footage. When she reported Jon and Burton's private conversation to Rupert, she edited it.

I think Burton goes tonight. Lil next week.