Andrew Savage (Team Morgan)
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Andrew Savage (Team Morgan)
Bastable | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 08:25 am     There are plenty of steroids that are legal, though. Some are prescribed to clear up inflammations, some are for pain relief. I think only certain types are illegal. |
Tishala | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 08:37 am     Who takes nasal steroids to build up muscles?! Or bronchial steroids? Come on now. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 09:02 pm     well, andrew, it didn't work this time! his entire reign as leader has never been to fish, carry water, tend the fire...but only to ask, "who will we go after this time?" and he would ask it early enough to make sure he wasn't one under consideration. sure enough, as soon as they had pigged out as a merged tribe, andrew started with his, "who shall we vote out" spiel, trying to make sure the attention was away from him. buh bye, andrew. it so didn't work this time! but we live in savage times. |
Webkitty | Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:14 pm     Andrew got screwed I wish people would remember that he did not ask for the leadership role. He is getting blamed for everything that went wrong at Morgan and I feel the need to defend him. Look, Morgan lost the game for themselves at the market. Osten, not Andrew was mostly responsible for that. He was in a rush to get to camp, and urged the others to leave before they were fully stocked and prepared. Everything went downhill from there. They started running out of supplies on day 2. Nichole was a trouble maker. RyanS. sucked at challenges. Lil pouted and moped because she was used to taking charge and the others wanted Andrew for a leader. She resented this. Osten kept everyone up at night with his hystronics. Osten sucked at challenges They had no food Just because NICHOLE suggested Andrew be named leader, and the rest jumped on the idea, he is getting blamed for everything. MB put him on a bad tribe. Then threw the most unexpected and (imo) unfair twist at him in Surivivor history. Andrew won't even make the jury now. I think he gets the prize for worst bad luck in Survivor history. (yea, Lex got screwed but at least he made it to F3 and is going to be on ASS. What will Andrew get for HIS screwing?) |
Tabbyking | Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:23 pm     i am not blaming him for anything. he was just a rotten leader, and only led the 'who will be gone' campaigns, IMO. they never showed him organize how to build a shelter, tend the fire, carry water, get food, cook, clean up. they didn't show him help to do any of that, either, except for a little of the shelter repair work. my feeling was the tribe wanted him as an active leader, not the one to tell them how to vote. again, IMO. the whole team was lazy. |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:59 pm     I was rooting for him even before it started--going by the bios and favorites. He seemed to have a good outlook, believed in himself and was willing to get in there and lead by example. In my opinion, that was his down fall. He didn't lead Morgan by example. His biggest effort was too keep Osten--and he did so past the point he should have. He made "excuses" for him--well, as it turned out it seemed like excuses because his predictions of Osten making a come back didn't pan out. Nope, he didn't ask for the leadership role--and at the same time, made choices bad for the tribe and never took responsibility for those choices. He also didn't really blame others that much--he just didn't take an active role in making sure things got done. Did he get screwed?? I'm not sure he got screwed, as he did have a hand in not putting himself in as good a light as he could have. What I thought was worse tonight was that it wasn't Jon who was voted off. As far as "blame", there is plenty to go around. Leadership on Survivor has always carried a bid double edged sword--taking that role on by choice or by others giving it to you has always been a risk. I thought Hunter was suited well for the game as well as showing very good leadership qualities--he listened and took others ideas into consideration, he had people do stuff to suit their strengths, and included everyone in major choices--but he got voted off right away. Had Andrew won immunity tonight, I think Jon would be gone, and we would next be seeing some very active alliance attempts. |
Wilsonatmd | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:31 am     Actually, according to someone who saw the Yahoo Insider clips, Rupert actually tried to make a deal with Andrew-his group of three and Rupert's group of three vote out the other four, leaving them as the final six (they probably would have voted Jon out)-but Andrew turned it down (this was at the merge dinner). Right before TC, Andrew said "he'd take it" but the decision to vote him out had already been made. |
Webkitty | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 06:04 am     I just saw Andrew on the Early Show. He said it was crystal clear to Lil that she was going that night she first got voted out. She even left firewood for them because she said she knew she was not coming back. He also said that he wanted to keep Lil but was outvoted on that by the other Morgans. He has been blamed ad nauseum all over the internet for keeping Osten over Lil, so now we know the truth. I highly doubt he would go on national tv and tell a blatent lie, especially since he is a lawyer. Andrew also said that the deal with Drake was a done deal but Lil told Drake at the last minute as they were getting in the boat to go to TC that she would vote Andrew out. I stand my ground, I think Andrew has been given an unfair bad rap on the internet ~in general~ (NOT directing this towards tvch) and Lil has been given a pass for her (imo) vindictive behavior over PRECIEVED slights. It will be interesting what reason she gives for going after her next victim and if she will get a pass then. Especially if it is a more popular player. Tabby, I was not directing my post above to you specifically. I was planning to vent in general regarding Andrew and you just happened to have posted before me. (I knew he was going last night, I read the non-tvch spoiler boards.) |
Tabbyking | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 07:33 am     webkitty posted: He has been blamed ad nauseum all over the internet for keeping Osten over Lil, so now we know the truth. I highly doubt he would go on national tv and tell a blatent lie, especially since he is a lawyer. we don't 'know' that is the truth. people can say whatever they want; doesn't necessarily make it true. lawyers can lie just like anyone else! he can say NOW he wanted to keep lil, but there was nothing to back that or prove it didn't happen. hindsight is 20/20. i don't hate andrew. i just thought he wasn't a good leader. it didn't matter to me if he or jon went. sometimes i am happy someone is voted out, sometimes i am upset, but it's just a game, once all is said and done. i don't care for lil at all. i disliked tijuana at first, and now she is one of my favorites. a little under the radar right now, but not invisible as darrah is! |
Tappy | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:23 pm     I liked Andrew - he worked is a$$ off for that tribe and he is smart as well. He had to put up with some whiners at his tribe and he delt with them well..... He really showed what he was made of then he won that challege for them !!! He is also cute eye candy ! I am going to miss seeing him !!!! ((( |
Tabbyking | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:29 pm     i must have been in the bathroom or hanging my butt out of the open fridge door when andrew worked his a$$ off! he did well in that one challenge, i will grant him that, but he was not a full-time hard worker by any means, IMO |
Pantageas | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 01:34 pm     I never saw ANY of the Morgan-ites appear to be too concerned with hard work or success. The two biggest oversights that stand out in my mind was Ryan yelling to the rest of them that they still had money left when they were on the island, and Lil trying to campaign for herself that Osten was a liability for all of them. Those two oversights are what cost the Morgan Tribe their standing in the game. Andrew's "stellar" leadership did nothing to counter-act that. If Andrew didn't want the responsibilities of leadership, he should have said so and let someone else do it earlier(Lil would have jumped at the chance to show her value). It seems that he DID appreciate the ability to avoid tribal votes though... |
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