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Gemma120in2002

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What a <NK>! No, correction, what a <NK>! He was right in breaking the alliance with Lil, but she was wrong for breaking the alliance with him? Where can I get a double-standard like that?

Burton is such an accomplished athelete and such a handsome man, but it's all nothing when you look at the total package. There's a vacuum where his personality is supposed to be and all I can hear from his direction is a very loud sucking sound.

Grrrr!

Seamonkey

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Later!! Going to wander over to Starting Over to graze.. 1 hr 45 until I can watch Survivor..

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Burton's fatal mistake IMO was that he failed to realize that if you have a wavering link in your alliance, you don't leave them alone for an entire day with the people outside of your alliance where that person could possibly be turned. If he had taken Lill instead of Jon, I think Lill would have stayed with him and Jon, and we'd be talking about Sandra being out and the fact that Darrah probably would have had to win both the final immunities to have any hope of F2. Now Jon is in that position of likely needing both immunities, and for the other three it's a matter of controlling who they want in the final two if they can get immunity.

The first IC will be interesting...if Jon wins it, do the other three risk a possible Purple Rock situation, or do they go along with Jon temporarily? (in which case I see it being between Sandra or Darrah being eliminated, because Jon will think Lill wouldn't be a factor in the final IC, which is traditionally endurance. Sandra is more likely to go than Darrah because she's an outsider, and has too many allies on the jury to risk a vote with her.)

Allietex

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was stunned that Burton would make such a statement knowing the whole world is watching (well part of it anyway). Did he think we would not notice that he and Jon voted for Lil? That was the most hypocritical remark I have ever heard an evictee make. I have always been amazed how the survivors can get angry when someone turns on them when they do the same thing to someone else, but to say it right after you have done the same thing to that person is absolutely incrediable!

Snoopsmom

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great show tonight! The girls sticking together to vote Burton out had me screaming in glee. Two things that really stood out to me tonight that I'm surprised no one else has mentioned:
How ironic was it that Lil, the queen of the Boy Scouts couldn't set her ropes in the right directions from the compass points written on the paper map during the reward challenge?
Noticed the boys didn't even sneak any of their leftovers back to camp to share with the others. How thoughtless and selfish. I mean, even Neleh offered the others a taste of her mint!

Spikefan

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Best show I've seen in a long time!

Dallasbbfan

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
THANK YOU SPOILERS!! THANK YOU HAMSTERLADY FOR PIX!!

I forgot to set VCR so didn't get to tape it. This was almost as good as watching the show!

Teachmichigan

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WOOHOO WOOHOO!!! Major cheering going on in our house tonight! I knew as soon as Sandra started her schpiel with "da boys" they had it locked up. That gal can lie as well as Jon...she's just not as mean about it! Her eye rolling at tribal council made me laugh.

Snoops...we were laughing at Lill too. Evidently she's better with a "Real" compass!

If the gals can manage to get rid of Jon, I think Sandra has a real chance at it. She and D are both strong....and the endurance challenge could be a LONG one!

One other note (hope this isn't in one of the archives)....LMAO when Jon brought up that Lill was upset because of the "girl conspiracy" and Burton immediately and completely "pooh poohed" the idea! Guess he shoulda' listened! Jon is sneaky enough to realize what others can stoop to...he's already "been there done that"!

Yup....one of the most satisfying nights of Survivor yet!

Caycaye

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No. Allietex, Burton never once thought about his statement being hypocritical, because he is a true <NK>. All of his statements have let us know that he has always considered women so much weaker than men. Sometimes he can barely hide his scorn for the women there. He always took any opportunity to talk down to the women (and Rupert, I might add), who he felt were "below" him. I laughed my <> off tonight knowing from spoilers that he PROBABLY would be going....Burton with NO CLUE he was going to be booted...MOUTHING off at every opportunity about how "STUPID" these 3 women were....Well..I wonder who looks STUPID now???? It was GREAT KARMA!!

I have known LOTS of men like Burton....Yes, he is very good-looking, but his character is sorely lacking....Of course, he didn't think his comments about Lil were hypocritical....Burton, and men like him, feel as though the world has two sets of rules....ONE for the pretty BOYS and the other rules for women and weak men.....THAT is why I never liked Burton, and this was one of my FAVORITE Survivor episodes....NOW...If only JON were to go next...I would be happy!!

Allietex

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A thought occured to me. Will Jon have the nerve to call Lil on her vote tonight and talk about how she "broke their alliance?" It will be interesting to see if Jon is as stupid as Burton was tonight.

Caycaye

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think so Allitex....Jon is smarter about people than Burton...Remember...he had the whole thing figured out until BURTON pooh-poohed the idea, and Jon let it go. The fun thing will be to see just what Jon WILL do to try to stay in the game...I HOPE he doesn't get immunity....I want the three women in the end!!!

Twiggyish

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks spoilers!! I had a reading group tonight. I'll be able to spoil next week. I caught the last 20 minutes of the show.

You guys picked up on what bothered me about Burton's final speech tonight. What a hypocrite!!

Gina8642

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL - Well just by skimming, I can see everyone here is already saying what I came to say.

The audacity(!!!!!!) of Burton condemning Lil for breaking her alliance with him, when the ink wasn't even dry from him writing her name down? This guy is a piece of work!!!

Azlen

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is where it could get interesting. If you were one of the women and wanted to win, wouldn't you want Jon next to you? You know that thought has got to cross one of their minds.

Curlyq

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Taking a snake to the final 2 usually backfires. Juries tend to resent being thrown over for a creep, so they just credit the weasel with outwitting everyone else and give him the win. If Jon makes it to the final 2 he has a good chance of winning.

Seamonkey

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggy... there isn't a "next week" but just Sunday to wrap up the whole enchilada..

I think they will think of wanting Jon next to them.. OR LILL.. after all she was an outcast and now she has pissed off the only other outcast on the jury :)

Kappy

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I couldn't wait to get to the computer to condemn Burton for his remark so thank you all for doing it for me! FEMALE power! Go LADIES!

I'm normally like this ~ Burton and Jon made me this way

Blacksheep

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A little off topic but that's me...

My thoughts on why Jon could make it in the top 2:

1. Darrah keeps Jon - she's won 3 IC in a row, to the jury she's kept herself in this game and hasn't burned anyone, yet ++jury(regardless of her earlier UTR play & Morganite), against Jon she would win because he's burned too many of the jury - Sandra not as secure - Lill a possibility to beat simply because she's an outcast/but hard to say for sure considering the Drake tribemates (b/c she helped them after the merge)

2. Sandra keeps Jon - she's playing a good game and not dirty like Jon (also sticking to the original Drake alliance) ++ jury - Lill easy win for her (outcast) - Darrah, questionable not secure

3. Lill takes Jon - she may think she can win against him based on his deceit - she won't win though because she's an outcast (this could be Jon's only saving grace to win) - I don't think Lill can win in any matching

Regardless that Jon's a snake, some of the players like Darrah or Lill may only win taking Jon - alot will have to do with who stabs who in the back on this final episode - it could change the dynamics of the final jury members voting.

my 2 cents ~

Kappy

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Want to add that my first shock was that Burton wasn't smart enough to take Darrah or Lil on the reward trip with him.

Second irritance of the evening was listening to Jon say how Burton was the only person there he liked. I couldn't help but think that while Jon somehow sees himself as superior, the majority of the viewing audience sees him as just another skinny guy who relies on putting down others, especially women, to feel better about himself.

LOVED the reaction of the JURY on the final vote!! LOVED IT! I have never seen a jury SO HAPPY!

Dee

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you SO much for spoiling! I'm on the West Coast and the show is only about 20 mins old - I just HAD to peek to see who got voted off. YIPPEEEEEEEE, it was Burton!!!! Now I can watch the show and look forward to the Tribal Council for once!

I can't believe how stupid Burton was to take Jon! Didn't he watch any of the previous Survivors?

This was the ladies last week that they outnumbered the guys - FINALLY they got their brains working!!

I wonder though, did Sandra follow thru with hiding everything?

Wink

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was very gratifying to see the one brain shared by the three women had enuff cells to outwit the half a brain shared by those two asshats.

Kappy

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dee ~ I sometimes think Sandra talks alot more tough then she really is ~ like swearing she was going to hide things. I think it's her way of letting off steam, in order to remain in control of her emotions, while not really going through with it.

Hamsterlady

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wondered about that also...did the stuff she hid stay hidden?

Pamy

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 09:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What about Lil's audacity when she was talkin about it not being right betraying Darrah???? Isn't that what Lil did to Rupert??????!!!!!!!!

Grrrrrr, I can't stand her

Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YES YES YES -- HALLELUJIAH!

I don't usually post in this area, but THANK GOODNESS that Tribal Council went the way it did tonight! I was on the edge of my seat...

Oh, and Lancecrossfire, if you're reading this, my partner even got really into it too! :)