Archive through October 08, 2003
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Archive through October 08, 2003
Lorry | Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 10:13 pm     Hey, what about Osten nearly drowning? Another little trick of his, or for real? |
Sweetpea1994 | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 05:10 am     I think it is for real, he said when they were jumping off the boat that he was not a strong swimmer. |
Needmylifeback | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 06:40 am     That's probably why in the diving for treasure challenge last week he was scheduled to go last (or next to last)...we didn't get to see ...and they got to blame the loss on Ryan S.....wonder what would have happened if he had gone first.... All immunity challenges have been strength type challenges so far....no eating yucky stuff...no mental puzzles (Unless you count trying to cross the two ropes to get your coordinates.....Morgan could have made an error there....)....Looks like next week Drake will have the third piece to their map and their Bountiful Treasure.... |
Niceguy | Friday, October 03, 2003 - 12:44 pm     It seemed like he was being attacked, really. I don't think it was shark but I guess we'll see. |
Neko | Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 09:43 am     IMO, I don't think JP would be yelling "Osten, you're fine." if Osten was getting attacked in the water. My take on what could have happened, was that Osten took in water, felt like he couldn't breathe, then started to freak out thinking he was going to drown. I did that myself once and it's not a very nice feeling when you think you can't breathe... |
Lorry | Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 09:50 am     Good point Neko! My girlfriend once felt she was drowning when she was in the "baby" pool with her daughter... It was simply her fear of water since she was standing up and the water was only 2 feet deep... but she was seriously frightened.. At the time I thought she was being silly, but since then have discovered that she has issues with just standing close to large expanses of water... and no way would she ever get on a boat or ship. |
Auntiemike | Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 04:46 pm     I am amazed, that knowing the location of this Survivor, all the tribe members don't have swimming as something they can do well. I am not a swimmer and would NEVER sign on to compete if it involved swimming! I'd have to be in the dust and heat in the Outback, I guess. It just seems silly that if Osten "can't swim" then he shouldn't have applied for this particular Survivor. |
Teachmichigan | Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 05:37 pm     Auntie...they don't know where they're going when they apply. That's part of the "Surprise" element. However...given all the islands they've been on, if I were applying, I'd assume I'd have to be able to swim at some point. That, building fire and building shelter would be my top 3 skills that I'd want to know....regardless of where I'd be taken to spend my 39 days. |
Auntiemike | Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 07:26 pm     Sorry, Teach, I thought they knew the location when they applied. It still seems that, were they familiar with past Survivor shows, swimming would be a key element in the challenges and they should be prepared. Maybe I'm just sad because I would like to think - in my head - that I'd make a good survivor, however, my body just wouldn't keep up! Oh well, I'm certainly enjoying watching the tribe members this season. |
Teachmichigan | Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 07:38 pm     I agree...if they'd watched any Survivors (maybe w/ the exception of Africa) they'd see SWIMMING! I think Mark B. goes out of his way to find at least one "non-swimmer" in each group (and after listening to Jon..I'd say he's not all the strong either). Yup...makes for more interesting tv if you get barely competent swimmers in the water! I completely agree with the "good survivor...but couldn't keep up". I'd go on just to lose a few pounds! LOL I too think is one of the best seasons yet! |
Crystalfire | Sunday, October 05, 2003 - 08:20 pm     I read something about this from an interview with JP. Apparently, he had said that one of the tribe members almost drowned and he wanted the other tribe members to save him. He told the camera people to keep filming. |
Enigma2 | Monday, October 06, 2003 - 08:53 am     Well, of course, the Morganites voted off one of their best swimmers: Lill Ryan S couldn't swim; Ryan O is not much better. And Osten seems to cringe at the mention of water. I think that the Morganites should be given a big rubber ducky (for protection). |
Not1worry | Monday, October 06, 2003 - 02:29 pm     Rodger from Survivor Outback couldn't swim well either. Remember when they had to jump off that cliff and swim? I seem to remember no one was allowed to assist him. You could see how apprehensive he was about it and I really admired the way he took the plunge. I think Osten's "near drowning" is just another example of his quitting spirit. He had to know there was going to be water challenges. |
Maris | Monday, October 06, 2003 - 02:43 pm     I think Osten is a drama queen and I am surprised that his team hasnt tired of him yet. He wont last long if he even makes it to merger. |
Auntiemike | Monday, October 06, 2003 - 03:59 pm     He's just not getting the nutrition to keep up those abs is he? I don't think he will last long either; seems like he doesn't have the mental stamina this game requires. And, I am questioning his physical stamina....looks can be deceiving! |
Rupertbear | Monday, October 06, 2003 - 04:24 pm     I think Osten is totally demoralized. He came into this game totally pumped & buff, thinking he'd be the 'runway' star of the show with his looks & body. He was way out of his element...never thinking five minutes ahead of himself. Take for example selling off all of his clothes.What a stroke of genius!Actually,I think he did that to have an excuse to run around the beach in a pair of undies...but even his underwear weren't up to the challenge. I see he's finally managed to fashion a belt. Perhaps he figures a 'Playgirl' offer is already in the bag. I think he also expected to be the leader of that group and possibly felt slighted when Andrew was chosen. And because he was NOT appointed leader, the ennui set in and he figured...'what the hecks the point, I won't win the mil.'Thus, he is not giving 100% to anything because his cohorts failed to see his 'leadership' qualities. |
Dogdoc | Monday, October 06, 2003 - 04:35 pm     I am a terrible swimmer in a swimming pool, but on vacation in the Caribbean I found it easy to snorkle and swim in the salty ocean water. Osten's problem may be fear rather that ability. |
Sunshyne4u | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:16 pm     I think one thing that hasnt been mentioned here yet is Osten's muscle mass. This is NOT good for being in water....you will sink like a stone. When I was in shape I found swimming really hard as I could hardly keep my head above the water surface. Seriously, I usually swam with the water just below my nose. ALSO it was very difficult to remain calm when treading water and everyone else has head and shoulders out the water YET you are barely able to keep your chin out of the water. Muscle mass is the problem.....not strength. ****** Mind you, If you are tall with long arms and legs sometimes you can swim quite well.......If you arent too muscular! POOR OSTEN.......I dont think that the others understand. |
Sunshyne4u | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:30 pm     I looked this up actually, for you that are interested. ****** Buoyancy - The tendancy of a body to float or sink in water or any other fluid. Most people will naturally float in water, especially if they fill their lungs with air. Most require only about 11 pounds (50 Newtons) of extra buoyancy to keep their head out of water. In technical terms, buoyancy is determined by Archimedes' Principle: ((Any body partially or completely submerged in a fluid is buoyed up by a force equal to the weight of the fluid displaced by the body.)) That means someone immersed in water is "buoyed" upward by a force equal to the weight of the volume of water that their body takes up (displaces). Gravity pulls a person's body downward by a force equal to their weight. The difference between these forces is a person's net buoyancy. * It also follows that the people hardest to float are those with compact, dense bodies. These tend to be people with ATHLETIC BODY BUILDS, with a lot of bone and muscle mass, and not much fat. Fat is not as dense as muscle and bone, so people who are overweight(fat) can actually be easier to float than someone who is much smaller and leaner. Excerpt was taken from a US coastguard site. http://www.uscg.mil/hq/gm/MSE4/pfddefinition.htm |
Lorry | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 08:24 am     Excellent post Sunshyne!!! Guess I should sign up... rofl... at my weight I could float all over that ocean! hahahahaha It makes sense that Osten's body is making swimming difficult... but I still can't figure out why he would sign up, knowing swimming is usually part of the challenges. I still want to see him shine, but I think his tribe is his biggest problem... the pressure on him is intense. That alone must be weighing him down emotionally. |
Jeep | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 09:25 am     Well here goes, I'm going to be the odd ball (like I'm not already). Doesn't anyone except me think Osten is just playing everyone for a fool? I think this "poor me, no food, energy spent, can't swim" stuff is a scam. I think it's part of his strategy, just like Rupert wants to be seen as a strong guy who provides the food & muscle. Osten is taking the opposite road, not wanting to appear to be a threat for later in the game. I might be barking up the wrong tree, but time will tell. I'm loving this Survivor as much as the first one! |
Maris | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 10:03 am     Jeep you are sounding like all those Jack fans in big brother who said he was throwing all the competitions, have patience because he is just pretending to be clueless and inept. I think Osten is way out of his element. He thought he was a tough guy because he had a muscular body and was athletic. The problem is he had no outdoors skills. Bugs, cold and damp conditions just didnt work with him. I am speculating a lot here but I think Osten is used to being catered to and taken care of. He had no idea what he was getting into on this one. As I said somehwere else, Big Brother was more this guys speed where he would only have to rough it on PB&J and protein shakes. I am betting that Tijuana is going to be the first person to get tired of Osten and push for his eviction. |
Jeep | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 10:26 am     Maybe so Maris. I wasn't a Jack fan (had a hard time being a fan of any BB character this year), but there is just something about Osten that doesn't sit right with me. Just a feeling. And as I said time will tell. Won't be the first time I'm wrong LOL. My fav never wins Survivor! |
Catfat | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:00 am     I don't buy that about Osten being inept in the water because he is all muscle and no fat. Every competitive swimmer and diver is sleek and thin, all muscle and not a hint of fat. I think Osten is scared of the water and that is why he can't swim well. I am so afraid of the water that I can't even stand to have it hit my face and I find myself pulling back while I am trying to swim forward, all the while sinking like a rock, fatness and all. |
Sunshyne4u | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 11:16 am     Check out the competitive swimmer's builds.......tall, slim, long arms/legs and usually big feet. Remember Micheal Gross? they called him "the Albatros" because of his huge 'wingspan' in the 82 & 86 Olympics?? It is about arm and leg Length as well body size/mass in ratio to the fat content. I agree, Osten is inept and doesnt like the water. He has admitted this freely. It seems to me each season they cast someone who isnt a swimmer. Wasn't it Sean Ricter one season?? Where he had to pray the minute they reached shore since he was so afraid of the water?? Catfat? you might have short arms and legs? this might counteract the extra buoyancy. Just a passing thought. |
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