Allietex | Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 09:07 pm     At the tribal council the other night, Jeff asked Sandra who she thought was unbeatable in the final two. Sandra said Lil, because everyone loved her. I tried to read the faces of the other people but they were pretty stonefaced. I have been pondering this situation and I just do not know what to think. Here are my questions. 1. Do the survivors love her in spite of her annoying habits? Has she been edited to appear to annoy everyone? Is that the "role" the editors assigned her when in fact she is not really so bad? Remember we only see one hour of a three day period each week. 2. Was Sandra sincere? Does she really feel that way about Lil or was she just trying to encourage the tribe to vote Lil out by pointing out how hard she would be to beat in the final two? Remember she and Christa voted for Lil that night. 3. Do the other people think she is unbeatable? It would make a big difference in how either Jon and Burton make their choices if they should make the final three and have to choose someone for the final two. If they think Lil is unbeatable they would probably choose each other, but if they think she is beatable, each one would more than likely choose her. I doubt there is any lasting loyalty between the two of them. Same situation with Darra and Sandra. They have no real loyalty to each other. 4. Does Lil herself think she is so loved that she is unbeatable. It might make a difference in how she votes. If she thinks she can't win anyway it might give her a reason to side with the women and take out the men. Remember she thinks she has a deal with each one of them to take her to the finals, but she seems to be questioning their loyalty to her. If she thinks she can win, she might stick with them hoping she can get to the final three and somehow win the final ic. I think this week may be one of the most interesting of the season because I think Lil is going to decide the next vote. How she thinks the others see her is going to be very important. None of them better tick this lady off, because I think she is skating very close to the edge and could go either way. It will be interesting to watch. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 09:49 pm     I think Sandra purposely put the "Everyone loves Lill" into their minds so that she would be seen as a threat, all the better to vote her out now. I think Sandra also hopes that if she makes F2 and Lill doesn't, that might possibly gain her Lill's vote. I think Lill was touched. I think the others were not touched but possibly thinking.. if Sandra thinks that, maybe the others do too? |
Marameko | Monday, December 08, 2003 - 05:56 am     Like her or not Sandra is thinking at all times. |
Gina8642 | Monday, December 08, 2003 - 06:44 am     I don't think Lil thinks everyone loves her. I think she has very low self esteem. IMO that's pretty clear from the way she's always putting herself down and seeking affirmations from everyone. Besides, in this game, I think it is more important what other people think of her, not what she thinks of herself. |
Allietex | Monday, December 08, 2003 - 08:44 am     Gina, how do you think others see her? That was one of my questions also? I think at this juncture in the game, it might just be the most important question. Isn't it funny how often the one person who is considered so neliglble in most respects ends up the swing vote? |
Brenda1966 | Monday, December 08, 2003 - 09:00 am     Allie, you're asking all the same questions I had. I do think Sandra is smart enough that her Lil comments were strategy -- wanting others to think she's unbeatable and get rid of her. It is amazing to me how powerful Lil seems to be in this game. Amazing and disturbing. |
Tishala | Monday, December 08, 2003 - 09:12 am     I never even thought that it was Sandra strategy--I guess I'm the perfect Lil who is easily fooled, LOL!--but it's probably a brilliant way to manipulate the vote. I have to hand it to Sandra, she manages to twist and turn with the best of them. She's like Richard with her ability to think on her feet. Lil will be her Sue, I think. |
Fruitbat | Monday, December 08, 2003 - 09:58 am     Sandra uses TC. She voices to Jeff what she wants her tribe and the jury to hear. We see this every week. I think talking about Lil was definately strategy. Not sure it will work but it was a good stab. |
Auntiemike | Monday, December 08, 2003 - 01:53 pm     I am really admiring Sandra's game playing. She has been consistent since day one and we are only beginning to realize all her moves. If she had a secret alliance with Jon I wouldn't be at all surprised that she could pull that off. She is an amazingly cunning player. |
March | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 08:24 am     I think it was a stragetic move by Sandra. She thought Lil was going that night and was trying to secure a vote from her if she makes final two. |
Pantageas | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 10:42 am     I think Sandra was announcing Lil as a risk to buy more time for herself or Christa... |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 02:35 pm     I think Lil is one of the oddest people I've ever seen on Survivor. |
Missy2 | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 04:40 pm     haha - Woodpecker why do you think she is so odd? |
Cricket | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 05:01 pm     If that's what Sandra was doing, Pantageas, it didn't work. I too find Lil odd and was really surprised when she one of two outcasts voted back in. She is weird. Some of her expressions are really out there. I know they edit, but I really can't tell where she is coming from....or...if she knows where she is going, for that matter. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 05:54 pm     My thought about Lill coming back into the game was tht the other outcasts didn't want to spend more time with her at Loser Lodge. Someone informed me this weekend that Nicole actually said something to that effect when she voted her back.. that she had spent all her time whining about it being unfair that she was voted out. |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 06:16 pm     I agree with Seamonkey and everyone else that Sandra was did that purposely, she's one smart woman. |
Tntitanfan | Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 07:21 pm     Oh, Sea, how funny! That was exactly why I thought the other losers voted her back into the game!! She is certainly in the running for the whiniest Survivor ever!! Sandra IS a smart gal - thinking all the time! I wonder if we can credit her military training for being able to stratagize with the best of them? |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 12:45 pm     I also thought the chemistry between Sandra and her husband was the best of any of the couples this year. I think in real life she has lots to offer, sprit, passion, bilingual.. she's the one I'd like to meet. I'd like to meet Rupert too, but he does have that neediness. Sandra seems like the complete package to me. TNT.. not the first time we've thought the same |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 04:39 pm     Sandra might also have been opening the door to approach Lil if necessary to alien with her. Lil wants to be liked & Sandra making the stmt @ TC that Lil was the biggest threat because she was so likable just laid the ground work. |
Woodpecke® | Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 04:52 pm     In response to Missy, I think Lil is successfully playing a strategy that's never been tried before. The uniform is quirky. She really doesn't have an alliance, and none of the players even take her seriously. She isn't feminine or masculine, she whines to the right people. Most of all, she seems to think she belongs in this game, and her naive demeanor makes her a swing vote at every single voting. By the way, I may be going out on a limb, but she doesn't seem like she's playing with a full deck. Lil appears to be very clumsy in social situations. |
Marameko | Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 11:31 am     In the Boy and Girl Scout ranks it is a big deal to wear your uniform,especially as a volunteer.Trust me ...........been there done that and saw it as a GS employee.Many volunteers learn skills that are transferable to the job market and more importantly gives them a shot of self confidence. At national conventions you wanna see quirky.......Lil is mild traveling in the uniform. Lil is sorta nerdy, but a good one.However she is not deserving at all to be the ultimate survivor. |
Woodpecke® | Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 01:15 pm     Lil wearing her Girls Scout uniform is as odd as a candy striper wearing a nurse uniform. Playing a game on national television isn't a reason to wear your work clothes. Nothing really offensive or wrong about it, I just find it a bit weird. She's still in the game. I can't be overly critical. |
Puzzled | Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 01:29 pm     We don't know that she planned to wear the uniform throughout the show. They thought they were on their way to an interview and were thrown off without their luggage. My guess is that one of the reasons she was picked was her being a Boy Scout leader and that's why she was wearing it to the interview. Even as a choice for wearing--look how well it's stood up. Real survival gear. Guess we'll found out on her exit interview or the final show. |
Puttergirl | Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 02:05 pm     I imagine Lil would have given anything to get out of that shirt and into some of the other things she brought! Its durable but I bet its alot warmer than other clothes she planned to wear! I wouldn't doubt she only planned to wear it the one time. |
Allietex | Thursday, December 11, 2003 - 03:15 pm     Lil having on the uniform was no more strange than Andrew's Amani suit, Rupert's brand new jeans, or some of the girls' skimpy dresses. It is obvious none of them expected to wear these things during the game. The producers probably asked her to wear the uniform since they were supposed to be taking publicity pictures. I think it is a little unfair to single her out as being quirky for what she had on at the time they were tossed overboard. |