What's Up With Osten ???
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Starshine40

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just one more comment about Osten, he had sold his other clothes in the village, what did he expect to wear? Anyone should know that a pair of boxers is not much to survive in for 39 days!

Miggles

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I must comment that the "protein damages kidneys" is a myth. What this really is about is that people who already have kidney disease will damage their kidneys further if they eat too much protein. People with healthy kidneys will not damage their kidneys at all if they eat a high protein diet.

Lumbele

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed, Osten behaved like a wuss. Agreed, Osten should have known what was headed his way *before* applying for Survivor. Agreed, once he won a spot he should have given his all. But I don't like the way the show has treated him. IMHO Jeff's open disgust, the 'laid down' torch were over the top. Was it really necessary to rub in the humiliation the guy must be feeling (whether he admits it or not) to that extent?
His tribe has every right to feel let down by him. However, those hanging heads at TC were somewhat disingenuous, don't you think? They would have voted him off anyway. And - every one of them was relieved they didn't have to risk their own neck.

Vsmart

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
People who have more muscle mass have a higher metabolism. Thus they need to eat more. If you read "A House in Space", the super fit astronauts were so worried of losing their muscles that they spent extra time in the Skylab gym instead of doing the experiments required in space.The less fit ones stayed on task.

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Quitting? Osten didn't actually quit. Every one of his tribe mates voted him out in front of him when asked by Jeff if that was how they would vote. Technically, he was voted out.

He wanted out a number of times already--his tribe mates just wouldn't vote him out. He could have walked up to Jeff and said "I quit". He didn't.

Now, to that end, I feel Osten did indeed give up on the whole thing. He gave up after the 3rd day though.

As far as the way Jeff treated him, I thought it was a bit unfair. Osten wanted to leave a long time ago--why didn't Jeff question him like that back then? Why didn't he throw his torch down? Why didn't he do the same with Shawna last season when she begged her tribe mates to vote her off, if a stream of tears?

Shawna "quit" every bit as much as Osten did, at least by attitude. The only difference was, her tribe didn't vote her out while she was showing that behavior.

I don't think Osten was out of gas--as he said, when the tank is empty, the car doesn’t move. At least from what was shown, he never passed out or collapsed from being sick or injured or malnourished. We didn't see him going through any sighs of heat stroke. We didn't see him get to a point where he just couldn't move. His tank wasn't empty--he just didn't want it to get there.

Don't get me wrong--I thought he threw in the towel too soon. But it is his towel to throw in. As pointed out above, it's his right to decide what is too much. It's his right to decide the priorities for how to proceed with the game. It's also our right to say others would have given it a bigger effort.

I'm not saying all 50,000 people who applied were ripped off--I'm pretty sure not all of them would stick it out till they passed out. So, some are going to be the same or even worse than Osten.

One group of folks who have to be held partially responsible are those who pick the final 16. It's their job to figure out who would quit too soon--who wouldn't push themselves till they truly had nothing left. Ok, so Osten has a body that is way above average, and talks a good game. So what--time in the gym and an arrogant attitude will get you to the same place.

Empty tank--Osten should know that a human gas tank consists of two things: 1) the "gas" (food you put in it as you burn it up, and 2) the stored fat you have that can be converted to fuel if you can't eat what you use. Osten has little of the latter. He didn't come in the game with some extra fat, so when calorie use exceeds calories eaten, his body will take from lean muscle mass, not from stored fat.

Body is his temple?? With his hobby being going out and drinking with the guys, I'm not buying that at all.

He was in it for the 1 million. Ok, I can respect that. Now if he would only respect that for 1 million dollars, you better be ready to give of yourself as much or more than you've given before. I'm wondering of Osten is the kind of guy who figures things are owed to him--like his job, or the time he spends in the gym--like it's a right he has or something.

He didn't learn anything from the Survivor experience? Ok, it's possible. It's possible he already knew at what point he'd want to not continue. It's possible he didn't learn anything about himself or others. It's possible he didn't push himself in ways he's never tried before.

And given all of those, I think that explains the behaviors we saw from him.

A buff body doesn't mean you are the strongest, or fastest, or quickest or the most focused. It means that you have a very low body fat percentage (can't have that cut look with fat covering the muscles, no matter how much muscle mass you have). It means that you have worded your muscles in such a way that they have some bulk. It means you have the genetics that allow your muscles to be able to look like that. Notice his upper body is very well built, while his lower body is what I'd call average or a bit below--at least compared to his upper body. That could well be from genetics or how he chooses to work his body.

But those things don't determine your resolve to hang tough in a game like Survivor. It just means you will hang tough in the gym and watch your diet so you can obtain a body like that. It may make some of the ladies drool, but it doesn't mean squat about a game like Survivor.

Gidget

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Lance. There hasn't been a lot of discussion about muscles for looks and muscles for strength. I know people who have never seen the inside of a gym who are strong as bulls and people who look fabulous but have no clue how to use the muscles, only how to make them.

Grannyg

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance, once again you make things so clearly about the muscles meaning strength or just great working out in a gym. ITA with your post.

Sunshyne4u

Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MIGGLES- as most people here are not into the specifics of Metabolic acidosis/ krebs cycle affects on glycogenic breakdown and starvation ketosis I CHOSE not to go into the details.
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C47895.html
1)The kidneys excrete the waste products of metabolism.
2)The kidneys regulate the body's content of water, sodium and potassium
3)The kidneys maintain the appropriate acid-base balance of plasma. Metabolic acidosis is characteristic of severe renal failure.
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Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:37 pm MIGGLES
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I must comment that the "protein damages kidneys" is a myth. People with healthy kidneys will not damage their kidneys at all if they eat a high protein diet.
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This is ABSOLUTELY untrue. It is not a myth it is a medical fact. If someone goes on an extremely High protein diet for a fairly long time and does not drink tons of water for instance, they can damage their kidneys. Protein breaks down differently than Glucose or fat, it is WORSE on the body.
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BUT this is not the topic...the topic is OSTEN and his body digesting (burning for energy) 35lbs!!!! of muscle mass in 18 days. Osten must have been feeling HORRIBLE.

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/starvation+acidosis


HEALTHY FUNCTION of the BODY From the site ---- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1586574.stm

The body needs proteins to maintain healthy function. However, a normal, balanced diet contains all the proteins the body needs.

Excess protein can increase the risk of ill health. For instance, it can exacerbate the symptoms of liver and kidney disease.

High-protein diets produce rapid weight loss by stimulating the loss of fluids from the body.

However, this is also associated with the loss of glycogen, a vital energy source, from the muscles. This can lead to fatigue.

Claire MacEvilly, a nutrition scientist from the British Nutrition Foundation, told BBC News Online that people who lived on a high protein diet with lower levels of other nutrients risked developing a condition known as KETOSIS

"This is a fat-burning state that occurs during starvation, and can be quite dangerous".

The urea derived from the breakdown by the liver of protein puts a lot of pressure on the kidneys.

Ketosis can also cause the blood to become more acidic.
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On a final note, I would like to add that if indeed Osten was having trouble at this halfway point in the game, if he stayed in the game til the end he may indeed have caused himself PERMANENT damage. Good thing that Morgan voted him out....He may be the first contestant in the game to be HAPPY to go LOL

Surfgirl

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok.. From the start of the show Osten tried to be leader.. first screw-up..sell all your clothes at Village , you end up in only boxers..and leave with money to spend..hmmm..

Next screw up convince other tribe mates to bare all in first challange.. because dont wanna be only idiot in boxers..

Lose a couple of challenges.. give up whine say your sick wanna leave ..but play football on beach(which is way harder than football on grass.. sand drags you down..)

Win a challange..pop right back up, as strong as one can be.. just to be knocked down again..

Pelicans scare you, Jungle scares you, spiders scare you, water scares you..need I go on??

Maybe you didnt tecinally quit.. but you gave up early on.. I bet a hundred bucks, if you would of been on Drakes (winning not whining team) you never woulda gave up! (posted this befor..now proven even more)

OSTENtatious(WEBSTERS DEFENITION):SHOWY,PRETENTIOUS,POMPOUS!

Gen

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This link was posted on SNN's website. Thought ya'll would be interested.

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvNews/edgeTV.bg?articleid=219

Regardless of his excuses, I agree with you Surfgirl, Osten is ostenatatious. If he could play football, he could have done more. If he couldn't swim well enough to fish, he could have gone crab hunting. But then again, he was probably afraid they would bite him.

Bcandscott

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing that mystifies me is that Osten, on his audition tape, clearly states that one of his favorite activities is......can you guess.....FISHING. That's right, FISHING, but I guess without the big graphite poles and all the special equipment, he didn't care for it as much. When they had hooks and lines, WHY didn't he try to fish then. Why didn't he buy more fishing hooks with the money in the village...money they left the village and took to their island where it couldn't be spent? Osten is a complete joke. The "staph infections" on his chest that SCARRED him for life....uh, did anyone see these lesions????? I can't believe that guy is STILL whining.

Gen

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BC, if I remember right, you did a clip on the "Extra Clips" thread, about Rupert's skin lesions. And Rupert manages to keep going, while Osten was "weak" from them. And his chest looked mighty buff to me.

Also didn't Lil say something about loosing the last fishhook and the someone else had lost the other three? What do you want to bet that Osten lost at least one of them?

Surfgirl

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gen: Thanks for the link! They all have bug bites and ect..,have to say it again.. didnt Osten watch the other Survivor shows? They always get major bug bites and ect...
Heck, even when Roger fell in the fire, he still wanted to stay!But then again Osten is no Roger.Where as Roger hunted Boar for food, Osten would be running in the other direction,away from the boar!
Bcandscott: LOL about his audition tape..fishing..way to funny!He probally is to afraid of worms to bait his own hook!

Sunshyne4u

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Staph infections can appear like a rash or small festering sores. Somehow I doubt if we would have noticed them on Osten, in passing, on TV unless they were HUGE and the camera focused it on him.
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Even pimples on face or body can become 'staph'infected...from scratching/ picking. When your immunity is down, the chronic infection will make it all worse. Oh, and there is many different KINDS of staph.....most of us think Staph aureus when we hear staph infection as that is the bacteria which will cause "quaranteen" type response in Hospitals or Old Folks homes.
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BLAH! I itch in sympathy response to all those bug bites on ALL the contestants. I would truly go NUTS from the scratching (and would never be able to sleep)

Lorry

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten looked like he stepped out of GQ when the game began. He was happy and confident.

I don't think Osten would have quit if he had been on the Drake team. I think his team's failure to win anything, and his team's inept use of their money at the village, on top of how disjointed their team was... it all spelled failure from the start.

I think Osten realized this, and as the humiliation began to pile up, Osten wanted no part of it. He couldn't take being on the losing team. He didn't step up and help his team other then in the challenges. Even then he didn't put his all into them. He knew they failed the challenges before it began, and so he was not really trying. Why waste his energy???

I think the regret will belong to Osten. He had no idea that his quitting would snowball like it is beginning to. I think he will regret this for a very long time.... even if he doesn't admit it.

I feel sorry for him. I know he should never have applied. But then, I can imagine how crushed his spirit may have been, when his team was crashing and burning. His body is buff, but his emotional strength is nil. He probably doesn't know how to handle the negative press.

Texannie

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Those and a 40-pound weight loss in 19 days, going from 205 to about 165 pounds, convinced him he had to leave the island.


they had a scale out there????

Gen

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know Texannie, the other thought I had after reading that link was - they had a lab out there that cultured his infection and he knew for sure that it was staph? I highly doubt it! A lot of bacteria can cause an infection.

Sunshyne4u

Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Usually it is staph. It is normal flora on the skin and is the first thing to move in when the skin is broken. If it was another KIND of bacteria, chances are it would have gotten serious very quickly. Many foreign bacteria (opportunistic pathogens) can start in the skin and will spread thru the blood stream to other parts of the body.
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I am not trying to sound like a nerdy Know-it-all (for indeed I dont know it ALL!!) But this is in My specialty and my part of my job BACTERIA!!

Missy2

Monday, November 03, 2003 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did Osten do interviews after being booted? If yes, what did he have to say?

Marameko

Monday, November 03, 2003 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten was obviously a poor match for this show, but he also knew his limitations. unfortunately he "took " up a spot that someone else was better suited for.
His tribemates clearly indicated that they did not"get" his wanting to quit. Since he wanted to go I am glad to see the game continue with those who want to be there. < I hope he passes on the reunion show >
Question.......did Jeff truly throw down the torch ? I guess it did hit the ground with a little UMPH

Zipsdaddy

Monday, November 03, 2003 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He will be on Letterman tonight.

Pamy

Monday, November 03, 2003 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh Wow! I bet Dave makes fun of him big time!! Can't wait!

Gen

Monday, November 03, 2003 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Missy2, Osten did do some interviews. Here are links to two that I know about. Hope this helps!

http://www.survivornews.net/news.php?id=320

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/30/earlyshow/series/survivor/main581025.shtml

Spygirl

Monday, November 03, 2003 - 09:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Letterman wasn't on tonight - he is waiting for his baby to be born. Paul was nice to him.

Pamy

Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 04:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten even came across very nicely.

Gen

Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Missy2, here are two more articles about Osten. They are on the SSN website:

http://www.survivornews.net

Survivor's Osten Speaks! (TV Guide)
Osten on the Bob Rivers Show (audio)

Osten is a real piece of work!

Missy2

Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
THANKS GEN - :)

Maris

Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Bob Rivers interview was pretty good and I thought he was pretty funny. The TV Guide interview didnt show him in a very good light. I knew as soon as that guy started pulling the bottles of booze out of his bag that he had never seen this show and had no clue about what this was going to entail. For a guy who believed his body was a temple, I would think he would have packed "off" instead of Gin.

He doesnt seem to take himself too seriously which was nice to see.

Pantageas

Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten is just trying to put the best possible spin on things now. I mean, he can't say " I didn't have the mental strength, commitment, conviction, fortitude, will, or common sense to do well in this game". So instead, he parrots that Bobcat Goldwaith character from those old Police Academy movies, "I meant to do that!".

Tell ya what - if you were looking at Osten from the standpoint of a future employer, teammate, or spouse - I'd be a little wary.

Gen

Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pantageas, I totally agree with you - I wouldn't touch him as an employee, teammate or spouse with a ten foot pole!

Bastable

Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ego, ego, ego. It made him withhold his "all," it made him quit--and it's going to keep him from being gracious about Jeff Probst as well as even considering whether he did the wrong thing. Ego. It's a killer and a bore.

Gemma120in2002

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Bastable. He is arrogant, and defiant about his treatment,and he can't see that he has done anything wrong. He refuses to acknowledge that he has any responsibility in this and is taking the role of the victim. They just decided to make him the person to pick on.