Ep. 12 , What does it mean?
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Hermione69

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 06:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Stilllurking, people think it is Burton for several reasons, one of which is he has a thumbs down from Snewser who is Mr. Super Spoiler. He has been right all season about who is going next except one time when he picked Lill and it was Ryan O and most of us who follow Snewser think he did that just to mess with people's heads which he is wont to do sometimes. Anyway, Snewser gives Jon a thumbs up and has him at F4. Also, Jon is all over the finale ads. Plus Burton is the bigger IC threat.

The spoiler about Jon being the last one to fly out was from pre-jury. He and Shawn were supposed to be the last two to fly out from Contadora and so it was assumed that meant they would be the last two to go pre-jury per that spoiler. Obviously Jon is still around so most people have discounted it. It was Osten that went at the same time as Shawn. How in the world Osten could have been mistaken for Jon, I do not know!

Alaginger

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But what if Burton was mistaken for Shawn???

I think all the people in the jury plus the F2 will be flying out pretty much together, so if the spoiler was a true siting......it may have been Jon and Burton getting on the last plane.

Fruitbat

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The spoilers are out there and have been from very early on. Snewser has the same information we do. I dont give any spoiling more weight than the logic we display here.

Sandra has been lying in wait to boot Burton for weeks. I doubt winning IC would throw any one into a scramble. They would be delighted. Now Darrah may, thinking she and Jon have a deal but I doubt that too. At this point either man seems to be the order of business.

Lil will be in a twit only because she always is.

Fruitbat

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't they all fly out at about the same time? It probably depends on connections and what part of the country they are headed that determines their departure time and date. I don't see leaving the game after the completion as meaning anything at all. What am I missing?

Alaginger

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You aren't really missing anything Fruitbat!!! A long time ago that spoiler, if it was any good, might have told us who was going to be on jury, and who wasn't......but at this point, it really doesn't tell us anything about the last F4.

Fruitbat

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even the first off stay until the game is completed. I know in previous games they were allowed to travel in the same country but not return home.

Alaginger

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't give you the names of the places and/or islands, because I don't remember now. But, supposedly the ones that didn't make the jury are in a really nice place and touring Panama while the jury members are staying at Loser's Lodge. It was right after Lil and Burton were allowed back into the game that Shawn and Osten were booted/quit and they joined the first 4 that were still losers and left the Loser's Lodge area to make room for the jury members to start coming in.

Ddr1135

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Olsten comment in one of the chats that he was totally bored viewing the Panama Canal?

Alaginger

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He made some comment about it making his nauseous.

Fruitbat

Saturday, December 06, 2003 - 09:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes but what does that matter? No one goes home until it is over. So what?

Twiggyish

Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The big lie would truly be big if it meant Jon's lie won him the game. I think Jon is in the final two.

It's got to be Burton on the way out.

Stilllurking

Tuesday, December 09, 2003 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Herm! I was just throwing out things we had discussed in the past to see how well the spoilers from the beginning of the season, lasted until now. As I said, I agree with the majority, that Burton is toast this week. The thing that clinched it for me (and I'm probably way off again), is the preview about sending everyone scrambling. The 1st thought that crossed my mind was they were trying to get rid of Jon but he won II. I personally don't care which of the two leaves, besides Lil, they would be my pick to go. LOL, no offense Herm, I know you're rooting for Jon, but I just can't buy into his antics and game play.
Thanks again for answering my questions.

Tasia

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm thinking it's Burton as well, but then I think maybe Lil won't vote for Burton (out of loyalty or 'cause she is meek), and maybe Jon won't vote for him either, (I think Jon would be wanting Burton's vote in the end, therefore, he won't vote for him)

So... in my furtive little mind that keeps getting more confused with each spoiler I read. I think that means that Lil and Jon would probably vote for Darrah. We know Burton won't vote for himself, so I think he would vote with Lil and Jon and vote Darrah out.

This could be the scrambling they refer to since Sandra may have the II.

Just my confusing thoughts for the moment.

Alaginger

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Your thoughts are not the least bit confusing Tasia. This has been discussed on other boards as well. Actually, this is my 2nd best scenario in my own mind, and if it wasn't for all the spoilers saying Lil and Darrah are F2, I would lean this way also.

Wilsonatmd

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the commercial for this ep, Lill is saying to the camera "What happened to our alliance?"...This to me proves she turns on Burton when she realizes he's not going to take her to the final 2 as he promised. Sandra was always convinced it was Jon and Burton in the final 2 unless they were stopped, and Darrah and Lill get convinced when Burton probably wins the final reward challenge and takes Jon along. If Burton had taken Lill, it might be different, but that to me if it happens this way is his crucial mistake.