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Archive through October 31, 2003
Adven | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:01 am     I don't, although I'm easy to get along with and won't lose a lot of sleep over it. I appreciate that it adds a new element to a formula that was getting a little worn out and that it will provide for some interesting drama, but it's still a game and a game should have at least a few rules that are set in stone. To me, not bringing back evicted players is one of them. Survivor is interesting for a number of reasons, but one of the major ones is the strategizing and rewarding of those who have outsmarted, out played, etc.... If they are just going to throw players who weren't able to outsmart, outplay, etc... back into the game in a clumsy attempt to increase the ratings, I think they are manipulating the audience in a less than savory way (no, more than usual, I mean), rewarding those who did not make the grade and punishing the players who managed to do what the show is all about: survive. We are talking about a million dollars here and basically the losers now get two shots at it while the legitimate survivors only get one. I think this shows considerable lack of concern for the audience or the remaining players. There were a number of fairer, more creative things they could have done to spice up the show rather than something so contrary to the show's original purpose - survival. I don't think it's any coincidence, either, that even with two evictions last night, the player pool did not get reduced because of the addition of the two outcasts. I assume this gives CBS an extra week of Survivor to air and an extra week to milk it. |
Whit4you | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:10 am     Well I really like this twist from an entertainment standpoint, and that's why I watch it to be entertained... But from a fairness standpoint - it is unfair, and definately takes away from the whole point of this game 'to outlast' - they didn't outlast they got handed a 2nd chance. But just like with the BB situation the people it's MOST unfair to are the two voted out this week... think about it had they been voted out last week instead of this week they'd now have a good chance to win a million... now they and they are the ONLY ones... have no chance, while every single other player including those who they did outlast, outplay and outwit all still have a chance. They could have made it fairer by only accepting those outcasts who would have agreed to live under the exact same conditions as the Drakes and Morgans... (still they wouldn't have had the mental struggles...) but they clearly have been well rested physically and mentally... a huge advantage. I could have done without this twist, beause it's so unfair to the survivors - but it does make for reallly good TV, I'm dying to find out how the outcasts determine who gets back in and who they are and which teams they go to etc. Since Osten quit - the one person most hurt and effected by this entire thing though would be Shawn.... no second chance... and he might not have been gone had they not introduced this twist and had two TC's at once. If I were a lawyer I'd say he had a decent case for at least a good consolation prize (remember the Lex and ?? settlement - they didn't get enough) He should get 100,000 at least as a consoluation prize for being the one most screwed by the manipulation for ratings... Survivor is getting killer ratings for this twist I imagine, he should get a cut. |
Pamy | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:39 am     I don't like it either, mainly because I don't care about any of the ones that have been voted off and I liked most of the remaining ones. It also sucks for the ones that get voted off now, they dont get the 2nd chance. The only way this would have made sense if Rupert had been voted off and it would have given him a 2nd chance since he seems to be such a fav. |
Whit4you | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:45 am     Well I was just rethinking this, the game is to 'outplay' 'outwit' and 'outlast' ... and that would include (and Rupert seems to be the only one really understanding this) anything that the producers may throw at you. And that would include something as extreme as this... remember the switching of tribes a few years ago (that was just as unfair to many) and especially that totally bogus 'purple rock' - where Pascal never ever recieved a single vote yet was out of the gam, that one goes down as the most unfair MB tactic of all time. Anyhow just thinking they clearly sign a contract that ANYTHING goes...(per Rupert's comments about it often) so that would include this, and being able to outplay, outwit, and outlast everything including returning outcasts would qualify. And for those returning being able to find a niche and NOT get voted out again will apply as well. |
Leafsgirl | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:46 am     It is a pirate theme this year and sometimes the outcasts did come back to haunt those that sent them packing, just like JP said. That is why they had them come back this year. At least it makes it hard to predict "who's next" unlike other years. In essence, like Rupert said there are no guarantees in this game. If Drake had not thrown that challenge.... |
Misslibra | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:58 am     I love the twist. I was surprised and thought the twist was a genius idea. Leave it to MB to come up with something like this. |
Bastable | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:11 am     Me! I love it! The past few seasons of Survivor have been so rote for me. Even when major backstabbing goes on, I barely care, because I've seen it all before. I find this twist very refreshing since the game as it stood had gotten extremely formulaic. |
Misslibra | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:13 am     Exactly Bastable. |
Jagger | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:03 am     This twist was OK, not really that exciting, now it would have been more of a twist if they would have allowed all of them to stay and compete as a third tribe, with the two loosing tribes each week voting someone out. That would have been a better more interesting twist. |
Gina8642 | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:33 am     The twist was fine by me. It was thoroughly spoiled by SS, SSN et al, but it was still a good one. I wish we could see some video of the going ons at the outcasts camp. |
Lorry | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:50 am     This is the first season of Survivor where I like each and every player. I like the twist very much. It allows those like Rupert, to not control the game as much as if there had been no twist. It allows those voted off in the very beginning, before they could prove their merit, an opportunity that does make it more fair to them. It definitely was a refreshing change from the humdrum that was setting into the shows. And it most definitely is something that is part of the pirate legends. I love how the players are more about the game this season. It's being played less emotionally and more intelligently.... and after the initial shock of being voted off.... the bitterness is much less then in past seasons. A real exciting and jaw dropping season so far. IMO |
Lorry | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 11:52 am     I posted too soon. I wanted to add that this is a great idea for a thread Adven. I think the responses so far are interesting and thought provoking. Thanks! |
Pantageas | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:53 pm     I think the twist is just that - an unexpected twist in an unpredictable game. To say the twist is unfair to anyone? Not so. Before the twist was announced, if you had asked any of the remaining tribe members if they would have wanted to be among the first 3 from their tribe to be "planked", the answer would have been a resounding "no". If you could ask any of them at this juncture if they want to switch places with one of the "Outcasts" - that is, give up their assured place with the other remaining three remaining "originals", or to have a chance at being 2 of 6 to return to the game with the other 4 remaining OUT of the game, raising resentment with the other "originals" at the same time the answer would still be a resounding "no". Let's think about this strategem a second: "Hey! I know! I'll get voted out first, then after 5 more people are evicted, I'll convince the other evictees to press hard with me and beat the remaining tribes in a challenge for a 33% chance to get back in the game, and then convince those same evictees to vote ME back in. Then I'll finish outplaying everyone else to cruise to the $1M!!" I think that all is fair 'til you get to the merge...that's when a NEW methodology is needed. Besides, I think "TPTB" have done a great job w/the Survivor twists to date. Even with the infamous PROD(Purple Rock of Doom), people forget that Pascal had a 100% CHANCE of remaining in the game. He just had to vote out Neleh. He wouldn't do it, and settled for a 33% chance that they would BOTH remain in the game, and a 33% chance that HE HIMSELF would go. Ya pays yer money, and ya takes yer chance. |
Zgoodgirl | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:13 pm     I like the twist. It was a great idea. The phrase of the game is 'Expect the Unexpected". Unfortunately, I think they did it in the wrong season, where this would have been perfect for Australia or Africa. But that is my opinon since in those seasons, my favs got the boot too early, and since my favs now(Rupert and Christa) were looking pretty good for the long-run, this little twist might screw everything up. But the game is the game, and they know that the rules are not set in stone. |
Djgirl | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:20 pm     I like the twist - I have been avoiding the spoilers this season, so I was actually surprised! |
Redstar | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:36 pm     I didn't think I'd like it, but as it turns out, I'm thrilled! I loved seeing the ten get their tails in a kink over it, and I thought it was a very fair way to give the Outcasts a chance to get back in the game! |
Guinevere | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:39 pm     I didn't like it; like Pamy, I don't really like any of the Outcasts, so have no interest in them coming back (unlike on BB - I loved Amy and was so happy to have a chance to see her again). I have mixed feelings about the fairness issue - on the one hand, I can totally accept that the game, like life, isn't fair. It's not a level playing field to start with. But there is a niggling little feeling - 14 out of 16 of the people are getting one chance, and 2 are getting 2 chances. For that reason (and because, as I said, I don't like any of them), I do hope that the Outcasts who get voted back in don't win 1st or 2nd place. |
Brenda1966 | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:48 pm     I think if someone that we completely adored had already been kicked off then 99% of the people would love the new twist! As it is, I'm glad to see any changes that keep the game fresh and different. |
Kaili | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:55 pm     Brenda, you're right- I was excited when Amy got to come back on BB. She was so fun to watch, I was thrilled to have the chance for her to return. One slight difference- nobody had to leave in order for her to come in. It was just decided someone would return. But I don't care about any of these people returning. I didn't really dislike any of them- I just don't care enough to be excited about any of them coming back. It would be cool for Ryan and Nichole only because they went as the first two and never has much of a chance to be in the game. |
Tabbyking | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:07 pm     not sure if i like the twist or not--it certainly added some excitement-- but since it happened i am wondering: how do the 6 choose which 2 get to go back in? some feelings are gonna get hurt there. do the contestants get paid now based on their new length of stay with the tribe? normally, they are paid based on their boot order. just wondering how they re-consider the money. nicole is the lowest-paid--seems she would really want to go back in and get some money out of it! she has also had the longest to get strength and meals and sleep on board. i wonder if there will be one from each earlier tribe and if they go to their old tribe or the other one. either way, they are only safe for the first tribal council, even if their tribe doesn't go. for example, if lil comes back and is on the tribe that doesn't go to council, she is not safe when her tribe goes the next time or the time after that...it would be an advantage to be on the team that doesn't go to the first council, i would think. i would be sure to tell many and varied lies about what the bootees were sharing at loser lodge. "rupert is going to burn you all in your sleep." "jon puts spiders in his coconut popcorn." "andrew says you are all a bunch of idiots and he only kisses up to you to keep himself in. really he hates all of you." it would be fairly easy to go after the ones who have received votes in the past and the ghost tribe will have done their comparison-notes homework. i would like to see trish go back in, but i think she was out too recently to make it very long if she goes back in. i am pretty sure lil will go back in, but i have so much trouble with her ugly faces. (no, i didn't say she has an ugly face! but she makes the goofiest frowns and moves her mouth like an old geezer with no teeth gumming his food). does osten go to loser lodge or straight home? i wonder a lot of things! i wonder if they will just pop 2 people back in, one to each tribe, or if you 'win' one of them as part of your reward or something... |
Pengoh | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:09 pm     I wouldn't mind the new twist as long as Burton doesn't get back in *sigh* OH well. |
Lori | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:55 pm     It does add excitment to the game. But I like the idea of the third tribe much better. Three tribes competing instead of just two outcasts being thrown back into the mix. |
Maris | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:16 pm     I dont like the twist. Once you are out you should be out. That is it. |
Wilsonatmd | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:23 pm     well I don't mind the twist...Survivor is a game of adapting to a changing enviroment, and you need to be prepared for twists and anything, or be in big trouble... (example:Shii-Ann in Thailand when she got caught by the fake merge) And even if you don't like it, there is one good thing about it...since it's a two-part episode because of the twist, there's not going to be a recap (or recrap, depending on your view) show this season. |
Sugar | Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:31 pm     I was thrilled to see a new "twist" as this game has become far too predictable towards the end. As far as Outwit, Outlast and Outplay in order to win, I think the last Survivor is a perfect example of just luck in Outlasting. Jenna never gave any evidence of outwitting or outplaying anyone. I wish Jon had been pushed off the plank tonight. Would someone please explain "decent case for at least a good consolation prize (remember the Lex and ?? settlement - they didn't get enough)" I don't recall anything about Lex, from SurvivorAfrica having some sort of consolation prize. I had read he became quite ill, was it reimbursement for medical problems? |
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