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Surreal_Badger

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Episode 6 -- "Me and My Snake" -- airs Oct. 23


My speculation -- "snake" = Jon (or "me" = Jon and he sees himself as the "snake-charmer"/"puppetmaster")

TDT speculates -- this is the episode where "ghost tribe" returns

Seamonkey

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Possibly, but

THIS WILL BE SEEN TONIGHT (I haven't yet but was spoiled)

Osten found a hurt snake and brought it to some meeting and said it was Morgan's new mascot

Hermione69

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Correction for Seamonkey

That was Rupert that found the snake, bandaged it and brought it as Drake's mascot. Named him Balboa, too.

Seamonkey

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Hermi.. just got to that part here.. I feel safer, and I bet Balboa feels safer in that tribe and with Rupert instead of Osten :)

Reader234

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, I love the white even in spoilers!! Respect!!

and I missed the snake, had to drive DS to work!! I think I'm waiting for the ghost tribe to return, or till the merge, am I the only one that has to go back to figure out which is Drake, which is Morgan, my brain doesnt register knowing its a mute point, unfortunately it requires me to keep checking which tribe is which!! :)

Pannie

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Sea. Lucky Balboa. Osten would have been more scared than the snake. And it will get good food at the Drake camp. Rupert is EVERYONE's hero!

Azriel

Friday, October 17, 2003 - 01:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here are the website clues for the next episode from the CBS website.

One castaway has a heartwarming chat with an ailing snake. A real snake, literally.

After a closely battled Reward Challenge, the winning tribe sinks their teeth into a bounty that heats up their camp and revitalizes their spirits.

While looting the losing tribe's camp after a Reward Challenge, a visiting castaway makes a stunning confession.

Immunity weighs on two Survivors, who must carry the fates of their tribes on their shoulders

Fruitbat

Friday, October 17, 2003 - 02:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rupert has a poignant chat with Balboa

Food and warm clothing for cool nights. That would have to be Drake, they are feeling down right now. Morgan seems revitalized after Ruperts visit and 2 wins in a row.

Given MB's claim that last night would be jaw dropping probably best to take the word stunning out of this sentence and say the castaway spills something personal. Crista, Rupert and Sandra have already "stolen" from Morgan so either Jon or Sean confess.

A female trib member sits on a males shoulders or something is carried. If they are able to choose it would be Rupert vs Osten/Andrew.

Needmylifeback

Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Could the "stunning confession" be the BIG LIE????? ...I see Jon going over to Morgan and saying something about someone...maybe Rupert.....

Not1worry

Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still waiting to see about the tempers flaring when the tribe builds an outdoor shower! That was so wrong. All we had was Darrah calmly showering and not a bit worried about being out in the open.

So I'm not looking for anything, "stunning", "jaw-dropping", or "gut-wrenching".

Caycaye

Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not1worry...the tempers did flare a little bit about the shower. The girls complained that the shower was too "out in the open" and Osten took their side. Andrew and Ryan were "a bit" peeved because no one bothered to mention their misgivings while it took Andrew and Ryan over an HOUR to put up the shower. I think the guys' feelings were hurt, because they thought they were doing something good, and there were complaints....ANYWAY...NONE of this was shown on the television program, but it WAS shown as a CLIP on the Yahoo (PAID) Survivor Insider. So if you don't subscribe, the editing made it look just as you mentioned... It made no sense to what was advertised. CBS SCORES again!!!! LOL

Not1worry

Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhhhh....

Thanks for posting that Cay, I was completely confused for the first 4 sentences of your post. Friggin' CBS.

Azriel

Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
On the CBS website where it has the video for On the Next Survivor at the end of the video it has has a screen cap that says, 'Is this the ultimate act of betrayal?' Then we see,Rupert shaking hands with Shawn. Then, a shot of Trish saying, 'Rupert has a hell of a lot of power right now' Then in the next frame Rupert is hugging a log and looking sick and saying,'I can't believe this.' Then we have a shot of Sandra saying,'Oh man, this is crazy'

I've been trying to make sense of it all together and I'm beginning to wonder if it even is all together about the same thing. So here's some of my speculations about the shots.

I feel like Drake is going to win the reward challenge because the website clue says that it revitilizes their spirits. Jon and Shawn are the only ones that haven't gone over to Morgan and I think it's Shawn that gets chosen or volunteers to go over. (I don't think Jon wants to go because he is afraid that then he couldn't control the talk behind his back back at camp)

I think the handshake is Rupert discussing with Shawn to not hurt the other tribe and take something useless and Shawn is shaking hands saying sure it's a deal. Shawn is the one on shakiest ground at Drake. He gets to Morgan and tells them this (stunning confession) and asks for their help if they win IC(perhaps even offers to help throw IC - Ultimate act of betrayal) to take him so he will have immunity and he will then join with them at the merge to kick Drake hiney.

So then Morgan manages to win IC and they choose Shawn, the one throw away out of the alliance person from Drake which causes Drake to have to look within the alliance for a person to evict which would prompt Trish saying 'Rupert has a hell of a lot of power right now' and Rupert to say, 'I don't believe this' (Especially if he had the feeling that Shawn threw the comp) and Sandra to say,'Oh man this is crazy'

So what do you all think about this?

Azriel

Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Also wanted to add that this could tie in to the title of the episode - Shawn is the snake.

Starshine40

Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 11:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From SurvivorFever

Episode 6 - Football Promos
Video Captures

Airdate: 10.18.03

Voice Over:

Announcer: 1. A back-breaking challenge becomes a stand-off.
Pics of some tribe members (individually) with a long pole balanced over their shoulders with others adding what look like bags (of sand or?) being put on each end of the pole.

2. And can Rupert overcome a brazen act of betrayal?
It shows several pics of Rupert and Shawn sitting talking then shaking hands. Written across most of the photos it says "Ultimate act of betrayal?". (note the ? )

Does Shawn commit the betrayal or could it possibly be our beloved Rupert? My money is on it being done by Shawn.

Stilllurking

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel - Are you saying that the winner of IC will be allowed to borrow a player from the other tribe? It didn't happen in the last episode and I haven't heard any announcement that there will be an extra bonus to winning IC. Do you think they will just randomly choose weeks in which to do that? I am so confused as I thought it was a one shot deal to help out Morgan.
Though one of the bonus points at CBS fantasy game is for "sleeping away" from the tribe. Which would work very well for people who kept Lil on their team, if the rumors of a player returning is true.
If Shawn went over to morgan to loot and told them Rupert asked him to take something useless because they were hurting, I would think the Morgan Tribe would be grateful to Rubert.
A more likely scenerio in my opinion would be Shawn going over to Morgan to loot and telling them that Rubert TOLD him to kick them while they were down and take the most valuable thing they have, which of course he (Shawn) would never do. Also, Shawn could tell them that Rubert didn't let Andrew really pillage the Drake tribe, but rather told him what and how much he could have (the rice). This would surely upset the Morganites against Rupert come merger time.
Shawn could then come back to Drake and tell them some fabulous story about Ruberts time at Morgan, turning both tribes on Rubert in one full swell. That would be the ultimate betrayal, causing the question, "can Rubert overcome the ultimate betrayal".
Okay, I've rambled and rambled making little or no sense. Now you all know why I don't post and remain, Stilllurking. LOL

Webkitty

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel, I've been trying to make sense of all this too, and this is what I've come up with. (your scenario makes more sense, so, as usual, tweaking welcomed on mine)

Ok, after viewing two commericals, (many times on tape, in slow mo and freeze frame, lol)
I've come up with this:

First, one thing that jumped out at me was how much weight Rupert has lost. That clip of him and Shawn sitting on the beach shaking on something really showed this. I DON'T want to see him go, but I felt I had to bring all possibilites to the table.
I think the Shawn/Rupert "deal" will be mis-direction.

I think Morgan wins the RC this week. We know they are still without food. Yes, they won a few challenges, but I think they will be "hungry" for that RC of steak and lobster. I can't see Ryan catching the amount of fish needed to feed them. I think Rupert has the market cornered on this. They are still the underdogs, imo.
We saw last week that Andrew plans on trying to get into the Drake alliance at the merge, he knows Morgan is a losing cause.
Andrew goes over to Drake to pillage, and tells the BIG LIE to the rest of Drake, that Rupert made a deal with Morgan during his time there. Somehow, he is able to do this without Rupert knowing it.
This would support the clip of Sandra saying, ~wow, this is crazy~ and, Trish (the real leader of Drake per Michelle's Insider transcript) saying Rupert has an awful lot of power right now.

Then, we see in the longer commercial, Ryan jumping around at the IC, ala Rich Hatch when he won the fire starting IC and then a crestfallen Rupert. It looks like Morgan wins the IC too.
So, Drake never confronts Rupert with this information (and blantant LIE) that Andrew tells, and votes him out, fearing he has a double deal going. We also know from the Insider (per Michelle) that Sandra has said she will vote for ANYONE, as long as its not her. So, there is one down from Rupert's "alliance". I can see Trish voting for Rupert too. If you watch her video application on the CBS site, she is all about the money. She says she is not there to make friends or go on a camping trip. 2 down. Christa might hold out and not vote for Rupert, but Shawn (and probably Jon) would in a heartbeat.
This would support what Snewser has to say about Rupert on his boot sheet, that his tribe was not one bit afraid to vote him out.

The rest of the cast believe the lie for the rest of the game, since Rupert is not around anymore to refute it. Its brutal and brillant.
Andrew does this because he sees how popular Rupert is, and what a threat for II he will be very soon when the tribes merge. He also knows his chances of worming his way into the Drake alliance are slim. One less contender to worry about if Rupert is gone before the merge.
Andrew tells the camera in a private confessional about his plan, and when Jeff sees it, he says, m---f---er!!!! The rest of the cast will find out when they watch the show what really went down, they will find out with the rest of us the big lie.
Michelle also indicated in her chat that Andrew is sneaky, cagy, slick (can't remember the exact word) why would she say this? Because Rupert is the next to show up at LL and now that she has seen the show she has it figured out what went down?
She also said she hopes Balboa (the snake) makes it though the next episode. I have a feeling he won't and either will Rupert. The commercials are preparing us with his demise.
The (reported) name of the merged tribe is Balboa, the name Rupert gave to the snake.
Maybe Andrew adds insult to injury and suggests they name the merged tribe Balboa in honor of Ruert and the snake, both gone but not forgotten.

I rest my case. (I hope I'm wrong,but...)

Halfunit

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love you guys! This is good stuff!

Pengoh

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
wow Webkitty, that sounds really plausible! Gives me something new to think about :)

Webkitty

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks One other possibility. Maybe Drake does confront Rupert, but he can't convince them because he loses the IC. They think he threw it. Jeff believes the lie too, because Andrew doesn't confess its a lie (to the camera) until after the next challenge, when he sees Rupert is gone. This would fall in with the statement by Jeff that the lier had him believing it too. (at TC)
Jeff obviously liked Rupert as much as we do, and I think he wouldn't make a big deal about the lie unless it effected someone like Rupert.

If vidcap evidence comes out later this week to confirm Drake wins the RC, then this is all down the tubes, of course.

Azriel

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Stilllurking, I didn't think my speculations through very well. I forgot they didn't take someone this week. Sooooo...

What if same scenario with Shawn looting and Shawn makes the deal with them to throw IC, but then Shawn comes back to camp and tells Trish and the gang that Andrew told him that Rupert was in with Morgan and they tried to recruit him, too.

I still believe that this will backfire on Shawn and he will be the one voted off instead of Rupert, but it will cause a little bit of drama before it's sorted out.

Surreal_Badger

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 06:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
a couple of thoughts to shoot holes (ever so gently, mind you) through webkitty's speculations

- i agree that it seems like rupert's story arc has peaked ("everyone's hero") and is now headed down to its sad, sad ending. but i have a hard time seeing how, if the "ghost tribe" rumors are indeed true, that lil could beat out rupert and/or burton and/or michelle to make it back in the game.

- couldn't all the hoopla in previews about "betrayal" and rupert just misdirection? (Please CBS, let this be misdirection!)

- andrew has already pillaged. now i'm not sure if the teams have to send a different person each week (drake has), but this MIGHT take him out of contention for stealing and lying. despite the reporter's retraction, i am still in the jon-is-the-big-fat-liar camp.

- and on the subject of the life, wouldn't it have to be a really big whoppin' huge friggin' lie to make Sandra, Christa, and Trish turn their backs on Rupert? although granted, he'll be a physical threat in immunity challenges once the merge happens, won't they want to keep him around 'til then. won't a weight-bearing challenge like this week's have proven that dumping burton (other strong man) wasn't such a clever move? i can't imagine that they'd choose to keep jon or shawn over rupert, no matter what people told them.

feel free to snipe back

Redstar

Sunday, October 19, 2003 - 10:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah, yes, Surreal, but at the end of the episode they will be a the traditional merge point of ten people - the optimum time to jettison #1 individual immunity threat Rupert.

Stilllurking

Monday, October 20, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel - I think your speculation on Shawn betraying Rubert is very plausible. Now you have a complete understanding of why I remain in Lurk mode, my speculations are usually way out there. For example, Webkitty had a very plausable scenario for why Sandra would say "wow, this is crazy". My speculation on that was (oh, I'm almost embarrassed to admit this), that they were told after IC, that a player or players would be re-entering the game, thus the statement from Sandra and Rupert hugging the log looking downcast. And that would be how they ended the episode. Now how far out there is that!
It's okay folks, feel free to laugh away at my speculating, even I don't know where these thoughts come from.
To add even further embarrassment upon myself, I thought at first that the title of the episode, me and my snake, actually was referring not to the real snake but to Rubert and Shawn. Shawn being the snake that betrayed Rupert. LOL, at least I can laugh at myself, so please, every one join me. I promise from here on out to remain lurking until I know what I'm talking about.
I love reading every ones speculations and I want to thank all of you who have welcomed me here.

Hermione69

Monday, October 20, 2003 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One castaway has a heartwarming chat with an ailing snake. A real snake, literally.

This could have a double meaning. Of course it refers to Balboa, but what if it is also a clue to the Shawn/Rupert conversation. That makes sense to me on top of the TV promo that has Rupert and Shawn shaking hands.

After a closely battled Reward Challenge, the winning tribe sinks their teeth into a bounty that heats up their camp and revitalizes their spirits.

I think that Drake does win the reward. Morgan is riding a high right now and even if they do need the food, they don't need the spirit boost as much as Drake does. That would tie in with Shawn going to loot as speculated. He has not looted yet and Drake appears to be taking turns on this this front. So that puts him in a perfect position to tell a lie.

While looting the losing tribe's camp after a Reward Challenge, a visiting castaway makes a stunning confession.

Same as above. I don't see anyone from Morgan making a stunning confession. We already know Andrew is aching for the merge, that lets out that as a confession. If someone from Morgan came over and tried to plant doubts about Rupert, I don't see how that would occur. We saw how Rupert stepped right up to the plate and "helped" Andrew take the rice. I don't see Rupert lurking in the shadows and giving the looter the opportunity to speak secretly to anyone, especially as he is now friendly with the whole Morgan tribe. Therefore, I really think it is Drake that wins Reward.

Immunity weighs on two Survivors, who must carry the fates of their tribes on their shoulders.

I'm torn here about who wins immunity. We have Ryan's celebration dance, but that may not be at the end of the IC. If it was at the end of the IC, don't you think he would be running up to his teammates? Remember last episode when Jon dropped his head on Christa's shoulder and everyone thought that was him reacting to a loss? Well, they did lose, but that was not where the shot came from. It came mid-challenge. So could this one of Ryan. Chatter has suggested that he doesn't last that long, but there was the rumor that he does not like the Drake women. If this proves to be true, I would suspect him of making it to the merge. So I think he is safe, although I don't really credit the victory dance as proof.

There is a spoiler about Jon and Shawn being the last two flown out of Contadora and therefore the last two to go pre-jury. If that is to happen, wouldn't they have to go one-two these next two episodes? Five people have been booted. Two more and then the jury starts to form. So if this spoiler is to be believed, Jon and Shawn should be the next two to go. But there is evidence that points otherwise. For one thing, Jon and Shawn get in a fight and fights are usually misdirection. For another, if Shawn is the figurative snake, he is probably safe and the person he turns on will get voted off, which would likely be Rupert.

I believe that if Drake doesn't win the IC, they would seriously consider booting Rupert. Individual ICs are just around the corner and Rupert could dominate. Plus he is so popular with the other tribe. That could be threatening to his teammates. Better get him while they can.

Then there is Christa. She was originally believed to make it to the family RC, but then so was Burton. Snewser indicated he was skeptical of that info and she was downgraded on his longevity list. However, she seems to be well-aligned.

I think Jon and Shawn would lobby to get rid of Rupert before Christa. They have already shown they are not afraid of getting rid of strength by voting out Burton, and with the merge coming up, I think they would aim for Rupert over Christa. Could they get Sandra or Trish on their side? I think so. I can especially see Sandra agreeing. Didn't I read somewhere that her and Jon are closer than we are shown?

At this point in time, I think we are saying goodbye to Rupert. Remember Snewser also said that "Chirp! His teammates didn't have trouble voting him out." That would indicate that he is voted off pre-merge by his teammates. If the merge is coming next episode as anticipated, then this is likely Rupert's time to go. Otherwise, it would not just be his teammates voting him out but everyone, although one could argue that they are all one big team by then, I don't think it would be described that way.