Sandra Diaz-Twine (Team Drake)
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Lancecrossfire

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazy, you make an excellent point on how she could have made a more positive impact by such an approach. You can play hard and still show respect for your opponents.

That issue of showing respect (or not) is never forgotten by your opponent. (and with the game approach of a jury deciding the winner, you would think they would want to take that into consideration even more)

Tabbyking

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
my thought was that sandra went for the water jug first. had they hidden it? i felt that once she didn't see it around, she opted for the tarp. i would have helped her just because one day we would be merged. i also would have felt i could prevent some damage to the shelter if i helped, which in turn would have benefited MY tribe.
i think the others were smart to send sandra, however! why didn't she think, "uh, i don't wanna be the bad guy here; let's send so-and so!"
she had best get off her high horse before she annoys the heck out of me!
she was wayyyy up last week and has slid a bit in my like of her...
i still think she will go very far in this game. not sure if that is bad or good at this point!

Hermione69

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My take is a little different. I felt like Morgan started showing her the bad attitude first and then she started retaliating. She was just as pleasant when she landed as they were. It started going downhill when they said they didn't have a water jug. I think that threw her for a loop because that is what she had planned to take. What else was there but the tarp? I don't know what they expected her to take. Of course she was going to take something valuable. They would have done the same. I mean, come on. I actually felt sorry for her because she had to be the bad guy out of her whole tribe. She had to reap all the animosity. I don't think she would have been well-received no matter what she did and I think she was already nervous and defensive because she knew they would be ticked off and the whole situation just got ugly after she focused on the tarp. I don't see how she could have diffused it. Once she said she was taking the tarp, that was it. The hostility was radiating off of them. Remember Osten was saying "Over my dead body will they get the tarp" before she even got there. I just felt Morgan was being a bunch of sore losers and Sandra was the one that had to deal with it. I did not envy her that. I guess she could have just kept quiet, but I would bet it was hard to do that when 7 people are treating you like the devil.

I missed the first episode because my power was off during the hurricane and so the only preconceptions I had when I watched this show was that everyone loved Rupert and everyone though Jon was a jerk. So it is not like I am rushing to defend someone I like. I honestly don't know whether I am going to like her or not. I just felt like the Morgan tribe was being the bigger jack*ss in this incident.

Hippyt

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like her. Take the tarp,sheesh,it's all they had worth taking!

Arm22

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Hermione69

Tabbyking

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 05:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
just to be clear, my 'high horse' comment was not about when she was in the other camp. she did as well as she could under hostile conditions. it was some of her confessionals that made me feel she was a little out there. she was incredible in the first episode, so i was a little disappointed with some of her comments. i want to like her still, so i am hoping she is edited in better light, or stifles a few things!

Spear

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 05:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In Ryan's chat (link on Ryan's thread), he said that Morgan got p*ssed off because Sandra didn't believe them when they told her that all their stuff was laid out in camp and so she spent 30-60 minutes going around looking for hidden items. Ryan also said that the rules specifically stated that they were not allowed to hide any of their valuables before the raid.

Tabbyking

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
did he say where their water can was?! i was just wondering because they had almost nothing, so i was trying to think what would take 30-60 minutes of searching. had sandra's tribe lost, the other tribe would have had a field day trying to choose what to take!

Hermione69

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If she spent 30-60 minutes walking around looking for hidden items, that makes me think she was trying to find something to take BESIDES the tarp. I just felt such hostility radiating from Morgan and that Sandra's actions were more a reaction to that hostility than the other way around. But, as my momma always told me, there are two sides to every story and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Tabbyking

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i believe they had discussed (in drake) about taking a water can. sandra asked morgan about the water can and was given an 'evasive' answer (IMO). there certainly wasn't a water can in evidence that i could see. so her next choice was the tarp. i agree about sandra's actions probably being a 'reaction' while with morgan's tribe.

Spear

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, he didn't say where their water can was. I think they really didn't have one. Ryan was probably exaggerating with the 30-60 minute thing but I think Sandra just couldn't believe that these guys had so little stuff of value.

Kaili

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They don't have one- remember when Ryan and Lilian went for water last week? They used a bowl! The tribe, when they were looking for water before bothering looking at the map, they were walking with the big, metal bowl. Basically, they got nothin' at the village!

Just wait until Drake looses a reward challenge...

Grooch

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 06:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In Ryan S's interview at Survivor Fever, he said that they were not allowed to hide anything and had to lay everything out for the other team to be pillaged.

So they really didn't have one. Sandra believed they were lying about their stuff (probably in disbelief at the little they got from the town,) and thought they were cheating.

There really was nothing else to take but the tarp.

But hey, payback is a •••••. :)

Pamy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still think she should have used Rupert's advice and taken something less cruical. Like Rupert said they have everything they need, it would have been a nice gesture.

Webkitty

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, I read that too. (that it was against the rules for Morgan to hide things on pillage day)

I agree with Pamy (and Rupert)

I would wager that Sandra is not a student of Survivor. If she was, she would have known that things have a way of changing, (Sook-Jai comes to mind) and perceptions and feelings are intensified out there.

She also should have known that she was being set up by her fellow tribe members. She seemed to relish being the "pirate"
No way would I have wanted to be that person. If I felt I was being "elected" to go, that would have told me something was not right in Denmark (or Drake in this case)
Notice how Michelle said she was glad SHE didn't have to go and have Morgan mad at her.
Sandra probably thought it was an honor to be choosen to go, and didn't realize the rest of them were thinking, great, someone who is willing to have the other tribe out for their blood.

If I had to, I would have gone to Morgan, taken the least little thing, and told them that they gave a good effort and hoped there was no hard feelings.
Then, I would have told Drake that Morgan had nothing, that Rupert was right, they are already hurting w/o taking the one thing they had left, the tarp. This would be true, not a lie, and maybe just maybe, it might save my butt down the line.
Unless Morgan keeps getting a pounding, and is systematically Pagonged, Sandra now has a big red bullseye on her back. If the tides turn, and Morgan is up at the merge, unless she can win every II, she's toast.

Pamy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree Ms. Kitty!

Grooch

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree w/ Ms. Kitty, also!!

She is the best!!!!!!!!! :)

Pamy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good to see you Grooch!!

Grooch

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoo Hoo!

Alrighty, matey!

Catfat

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This poor girl hasn't been discussed since September 27!!!
Bump.

Kappy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmmmmmm . . I wasn't sure about her in the beginning but then starting liking her by the 2nd episode because of her up-front honesty. I'm just sorry she didn't call Jon on his Grandmother's death - like ask him how she died and if she suffered much etc. I think she's the only one who instinctively knew Jon was lying about it but then Lil and I'm sure others made her feel bad simply because she wasn't going to hand the reward over to him. Otherwise, I think she might have baited him more for the truth.

I'm not liking her quite as much since the bit about the fish and letting poor Christa take the blame. But then she is playing a very smart game, including subtlely getting rid of Rupert, and to win Survivor these days, you have to play dirty. So I do respect the way she is willing to be flexible to get ahead. I don't think you can be the nicest and well-liked person and get to the final 2 in Survivor anymore.

Tabbyking

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 05:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
not sure about why she and tijuana and the others didn't stick to getting rid of burton (or jon)....one of the guys.
i also thought she could have just said anything could have happened to the fish; let's not blame christa...but she even brought it up again at t.c., in case anyone had forgotten about christa's supposed trangression.
liked her a lot the first episode, but don't like her as much now.

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Sandra's been in this game since day 1. She does, says, & reacts as necessary. I see her being an "out there" player. She speaks her mind & share's her insight with others as she sees it best for her own survival. She is not UTR. I like her! I expect & hope she goes all the way to F2.

Maris

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Texas, I think Sandra might win this. Of course I have been wrong just about every week on Deadpool.

Tntitanfan

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like to think that she might be in cahoots with Jon, but then going to the final 2 with a <el> might be good strategy!