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Sweetpea1994

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure I like this whole coming back from the dead twist. Burton, Trish, Nicole and Michelle all made a strategical move that ended up being the reason they got booted. So to let them back in after they made a strategical mistake is a little unfair. Ryan S. and Lil were booted for perceived performance issues, so one could argue that they should have a chance to try to prove themselves. I think once you are gone, you're gone. IMO

Enigma2

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Surreal_Badger: You are reminding of a comment some actress made: She said that the problem with reality was that there was no background music and the lighting was bad.

Sweetpea1994: Your thoughts are giving evidence to Probst's remark regarding the 'twist': he said that some people would love it, and some people would hate it.

Sweetpea1994

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Enigma. I wouldn't say I hate it, but it definitely stinks. Where was this twist when my fav Hunter got booted on S3? :) It's just not Survivor without "The tribe has spoken". I hope this is not SOP from here on out.

Gidget

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not to mention, how would they keep the booties in exactly the same condition as they would have been in the tribe.

Unless they put them on another island with approximately the same conditions as Morgan and Drake and made them continue to live outdoors and forage, it is very unfair.

I don't like it. I don't hate it, but I don't like it. I didn't like when BB did it and I don't like it now.

The only way I could embrace such a twist is if the tribes knew up front there was a possibility someone they voted out could come back. In fact my way would cause more intrigue and anxiety and strategizing then springing it on them as a footnote.

Teachmichigan

Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is WAY late in response to Lauram's response to Surreal (didya' follow that? LOL).

Burton WILL be after Rupert. If you read his "post boot" chat on CBS, he had very little good to say about Rupert. He accused the man of being insecure (because he didn't like being teased) and lying (after 2 hour conversation, he didn't go along with Burton on booting Christa). IMHO...Burton is the insecure one if he can't handle NOT teasing people! He reminds me of my high school sophomores...they'll pick on other people just so no one will look at their own faults. SHEESH...GROW UP BURTON!!

***stepping off soapbox***** Sorry...after being a high school teacher for years, teasing is a BIG DEAL for me. In my room, "if you can't say something nice, you can't say anything at all!" (and it works...they even remind each other if someone slips with a remotely negative comment).

Lostintheglades

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 04:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gidget - I read somewhere that the booted one's were in fact living as if they were still in the game. Much like a boot camp with out a lot of food.

Enigma2

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Am not sure where I got this impression (Can anyone else verify it?)

I had the feeling that the returning Survivors would not be setting up another camp. That they would only exist for several competitions. And that the results of those competitions would somehow allow some the 'past-booted' to replace some of the existing team members.

Was this a dream? Or did I read it somewhere?

Whit4you

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 04:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well... for the Rupert fans here who don't like this Ghost tribe twist... just ask yourself how you'd feel if Rupert had gotten booted isntead of Trish last week and he were returning this week????

I totally agree it's unfair and against some principals for me but I believe they agree to 'anything goes' when they sign up for this... and that'd include something unfair such as this. And I do know that had it been Rupert that'd gotten booted I'd be totally forgetting how unfair I think this is. Or in previous years had it been Colby.. or Ethan etc.

I've heard Rupert say several times there's NOTHING guaranteed and nothing for sure in this show so I'm sure enough that they signed up for 'anything goes' - that that'd include things that I see as unfair. (Bigtime Dejavue on TVCH's game 1 - I've said all this before! LOL)

Duckie

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I did read on another site, (I have CRS sorry) and it said that the bootees were given minimal food, with no soda or alcohol while waiting to get back in. It seems like a long time to me, but I have to remember they do the boots every 3 days in real time lol, not once a week like i see them

Fruitbat

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Duckie, what is CRS? I read that too.

Pengoh

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
can't remember syndrome ;)

Catfat

Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Teach, I thoroughly agree about how heinous teasing can be. 60 Minutes II just had on a story about a 12 year old boy who hung himself after being teased and bullied for years. I was teased as a child, but not to the extent that child was.
As to Burton's teasing of Rupert, it was a very passive/aggressive way for Burton to try and convince himself of his own superiority and to try and get the others to go along. He knew Rupert couldn't fight back because of the circumstances, yet he still kept goading and goading, perhaps trying to get Rupert to take a swing at him. People who tease on and on and on will try to pretend it is just a joke, and if someone gets angry, then they can say "Relax, I was only kidding. What the matter with you anyway?"
It is not funny, but borders on violence and can certainly provoke violence. Ask any cop.
I commend Rupert for keeping his cool under such an onslaught. And for those of you on this board who think Rupert is violent, better take a look at Burton. That was really slimy behavior on his part, and he knew exactly what he was doing.

Enigma2

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 02:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm in the group that 'loves' this 'twist.' But I use the same argument: what is 'fair.' I had always thought that it was 'unfair' when some of the better Survivors were voted out. And I find it 'unfair' that people like Osten and Jon are still there. Hopefully, this twist will correct some of this. I'm really looking forward to tonight.

Duckie: you make me wonder how much thinner Ryan S could have gotten. Is he still visible?

Catfat: right-on again. (rec'd brochure on Port Angeles area yesterday...)

Lorry

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 05:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A couple of thoughts here. Catfat, I agree totally with what you said about teasing. I have a neice that is so beautiful, looks like a teenage Marilyn Monroe.... and built like her too. There in lies the teasing. It's difficult enough to enter womanhood, with all those hormones, and all the other emotional baggage, but then to be teased because you aren't reed thin... well she's about ready to fall apart... to the point where her Mother, my sister, is thinking of home schooling.

I feel so bad about it... she loved school, and she loves sports... and now she just doesn't want to go to school at all.

Oh well, enough of that rant... grrrr

Yes, Burton went overboard with his teasing of Rupert... but Rupert handled it well. Now what happens if Burton comes back???? lol

I like your thinking Enigma. But don't I always?? hehe

Catfat

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Enigma, with what you said about how disturbing it is to see the better players voted out early, with Hunter being a good example. Boston Rob, Sean and Vecepia (none of whom were highly motivated, to say the least) voted out Hunter and some of the others who were doing more work and making the three of them look lazy, which they were. They slipped through to the merge and Vecepia finally won.
In Survivor as well as in real life, this sort of thing happens. By this I mean that so very often people who are outstanding are brought down to the level of the mediocre. What if, for instance, on a professional basketball team, all the best players were fired so that the average players would have more playing time? Then little short, fat women like me could be pro basketball players and earn zillions of dollars. Life is not about all things being equal, only about equal opportunity. OK, end of rant.
Enigma, send for the brochure on Sequim (pronounced Squim), there are lots of retired people moving there, good facilities, warm and dry, yet close to the sea and to Mount Olympus. A word of caution: the elk will gobble up your garden. The great beasts can step over a six-foot fence and there are huge herds of them.

Catfat

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lorry, I can sympathize with your niece's plight. I agree, homeschooling might be the obvious answer. If she is as distressed as it sounds, the school is obviously not providing a safe learning environment for her. She has already been ousted from whatever social situations school could have provided. She is being ostracized because she has a full figure. Bloody hell, what a life.

Marej

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The hype machine is working so hard it's smoking; read that "something so spectacular" happens tonight that CBS is gonna have some kind of news conference about it tomorrow. MB is up in his castle, smoking a big Cuban cigar, chuckling and rubbing his hands together with glee; drinking his hot toddy and checking the Survivor boards.

Realbiz

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol marej. :) yup, cbs tries hard to beat 'friends'.

Catfat

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Burton comes back, as is predicted, I hope the Drakes tease and goad him and pick at him till he cries in his rice.

Saggkl

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't like it no, no do not like it.

Dkstar2162

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree with you Saggkl

Zgoodgirl

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How about where part of the twist is for the outcast not going back to their old tribe, but going to the opposite?

Dkstar2162

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Im searching around for "The big lie" did i miss someting here or did it have to do with Jon and Ruperts conversation? Was tonight suppose to be where the big lie was told?

Gen

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zgoodgirl, you may have something there. Lil would probably get along with Rupert just fine. However, I think that they will merge next week.

Cablejockey

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wouldn't the Outcasts be strong and vital because they have been resting and eating well at the losers lodge? That is not fair--to put them in the game against those who struggle day to day.