Burton's BIG lie..
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Elle

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anybody catch this...

today on the Early Show, Burton stated that he voted Lill out because Darrah (who?), upon returning from the RC supposidly told him that the girls were voting him out..

I rewatched the tape, Darrah and Lill greeted the boys as they got off the boat from the RC..you could hear everything they said and nothing was mentioned of a girl alliance...in fact just the opposite, they both adamently denied even talking to sandra while they (the guys) were gone, claiming that she was sulking around and pouting...

Also, jon went to burton about Lill maybe having an alliance with the other girls, but burton said no way, that lill was too out of it and was beaten down mentally and physically from the game...

Burton seems so quick to call out alliance breakers when its not him, but it seems to me he broke the alliance first by writing her name down, she just got the best of him and he can't admit he was beat at his own game...poor ego must be hurting...

Iscreamer1

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, when I heard his little exit speech last night I thought, what the heck is he talking about? He broke the alliance first! Well it took the girls awhile but I'm so glad they finally did it!

Jewels

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, what I think he said is that Darrah told John before they got on the boat to leave for the camping adventure that Lill was talking about an all girl alliance. So, at that point, he felt Lill betrayed their alliance first so he was going to do what was necessary to stay in the game. That is why he made the comments he did in his exit speech. He felt betrayed by her first.

Not saying I agree or disagree with anything he said, just saying how I heard it on the Early Show.

Skypilot

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even if Darrah had told him such a thing it's still just hearsay in a game where people are known to lie.
If he cast his vote for Lill on the basis of this "information" he still came off looking foolish, especially after the now infamous remark.

Elle

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Darrah wasn't shown going up to them before they left...

darrah said when they got back to the camp AFTER the guys left that lil said she knew that the guys were planning to vote darrah off..lill doesn't like that and thats when the girl alliance was formed..

at the RC burton says that since they mentioned voting d out that they don't know if they can trust lill anymore so they plan to have sandra as a backup...burton says he "doesn't think they could come up with a decent strategy if they had to"...

burton says that as soon they got off the boat, d and lill started bashing sandra (her not talking, sulking around, ect) he says they are putting up a good act...burton says hes not sure if he can "buy what they're selling, but that they'll catch them in a lie because they're all bad liars" he tells sandra that he "can't believe that the girls didn't get together to form a girl alliance"

If burton knew that lill had broken the alliance before they went to panama city, why didn't he talk that out with jon while at the RC?

while on the beach walking jon says lill upset for a reason.. burton says shes a basket case and that shes developed a tight relationship with darrah and that the way jon and him see it they need to get sandra to vote with them to vote off lill...sandra agrees to vote lill..

when they go to TC, Burton says "lill, you're not one that I want to go up against in the final 2, so your time has come"

Quote from the Early Show website: "Lill broke our alliance, and I knew that BEFORE we went on the challenge, so when I got back, our alliance was finished. So I was doing what I could to stay in the game, and she back-stabbed me, and after Jon and I helped her get up on the game"

If the alliance was broken when he returned, then why did he say their alliance was as big as Texas?

Cruzlvr

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agree with what Jewels said, except I thought he said Darrah told ME before getting on the boat...

Also did you catch the convo between Sandra and Burton on the show where he told Sandra that Darrah had come to him and told him the "girls" had an alliance. Sandra told Burton that Lil is too ill or something like and that the only thing Darrah every discussed with her was "chocolate chips" and hasn't even been doing that the last two days. (kind of goes with what Christa said in her interview about Darrah only discussing chocolate chip cookies and wanting her daddy to pay for a boob job for her for Christmas the whole time she was there).

Not saying I agree with Burton but it does sound like Darrah could have told him. I also noticed when the girls were alone when the guys were gone and they were discussing voting off one the guys that at the end when they all made the "fist" to put together that Darrah just laid there and did not bring her fist up to touch with Lil's and Sandra's.

I just kind of thought - what is it with the two old Morgan woman - first T tells Jon of their plan to vote out Burton, giving Jon time to sway Christa and Sandra back on their side, then Darrah tells Burton. Fortunately it didn't do any good this time and they still voted Burton out.

Pamy

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
According to the Yahoo insider...
from marcopolo at SS

Darrah was the tattle-tale on Lill. She told Burton that Lill approached the ladies about a girls alliance. YET DARRAH VOTED OFF BURTON...HMMN.

Tasia

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Burton told Sandra that Darrah told him about the all girl alliance, My first thought was, "He is just saying that to get info out of Sandra" I think he was hoping by using the "I already know what's going on tactic" he was trying to trick Sandra into telling him.

And Sandra didn't fall for it.

I don't think Darrah said a word, since she ended up with II in the end, I sincerely think the guys would have tried to vote Sandra out had they thought there truly was an alliance, since they figure that it would be easy to still control Lil.

Burton and Jon thought they had Sandra as a backup over Lil,. that's why they voted out Lil, they were just sick of her complaining but wanted to make sure that Sandra was in with them first.

Gina8642

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Editing, Editing, Editing.

Just because one scene is shown before another on the show doesn't mean that is the order it actually happened in. One glaringly obvious example from this season: Three weeks ago we saw a scene with Darrah in a new yellow swim suit talking about her impending boot. The fact that she didn't win the swim suit unitl two weeks later, shows that you CANNOT trust the order of scenes.

The biggest liar here is the editors. They made it look like Burton and Jon had zero idea the all girl alliance existed. They knew, that is why they tried (and failed) to flip Sandra against Lil. Lil did betray Burton prior to the vote and he knew that when he wrote her name down.

However, IMO, Burton still betrayed Lil before she betrayed him - but it wasn't with his vote. Prior to her going with the all female alliance he wasn't going to take her to F2, he gave her input/opinions zero credit, he betrayed the F4 agreement of D/L/J/B. She had plenty of reasons, but it wasn't really shown on the show. I've pieced it together from hints on the show, interviews, yahoo insider transcripts, and many brilliant on-line spoiler thinkers.

This is the second BIG editor lie this season. The previous one was showing the Ti was voted out because Jon swore on his Grandma's grave to get Christa & Sandra to side with him. Never happened. Christa & Sandra both thought the Grandma death tale was a lie. They went with Jon becuase Ti started acting overly cocky and treatened to vote Christa off over a Bic Lighter. YES, A BIC LIGHTER PLAYED A MORE STRATIGICALLY IMPORTANT ROLE THAN JON'S LIE. The editors just choose to edit it another way, because it made for better TV.

Hermione69

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ohh, interesting Pamy. Thanks for sharing that! Maybe Darrah is playing harder than we thought... that is pretty sneaky of her!

Yahoo Insider shows things that the general viewing audience does not get to see. So if they are confirming that this did happen, then it happened. Darrah told Burton that Lil had agreed to a girls alliance, so Jon and Burton turned on Lil. Now I see what Burton was saying. I still think he is a sore loser, but it makes more sense now what he said.

That is pretty good strategy by Darrah. It gets Burton angrier at Lil than at her, so that if she makes it to the end, she is more likely to get Burton's vote.

Hermione69

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post, Gina! Good reminder that we often see what they want us to see.

Pamy

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is the link for the whole transcript
http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=16913.topic&start=1&stop=20

Elle

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good post Gina, I never thought about the editing job..it makes sense but I still think Burton's got too big of an ego..

Meemo

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
please refresh my memory but i thought that when the outcasts were voting to put 2 people back in the game. Burton promised that whichever outcast was with him that they would be the final 2?

Curlyq

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't get Darrah's behavior. Why would she tell Burton that Lill was forming this girls' alliance when Lill seemed to be the one who was the most hesitant about going along with it? Maybe this thread should be called "Darrah's Big Lie".

This totally explains why the guys saw through the women's act last night. I knew they couldn't be that sharp. The women were no worse in their performance than Jon was with his grandmother act.

Why did she vote along with the women? I hope she isn't still planning to go to the end with Jon, and therefore Burton needed to go. I hope it's just because she heard Sandra and Lill say that Jon promised each of them something different, or because Lill told her the guys were planning to keep Sandra over her.

I think it's hilarious that Burton has it in for Darrah because she wasn't strategic enough for him. Who's still in the game? Apparently her strategy of doing little around the camp and conserving her energy for the challenges is working pretty well for her.

Puzzled

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Gina, Burton essentially broke the alliance when he wanted to vote Darrah off. That's what upset Lil and got her thinking.

Telling her he didn't promise to take her to the final 2 was a bad move, too.

LOL, when Lil was thinking she would be No. 3 with the girls, Sandra pointed out that she would be No. 3 with the guys, too, and she had a better chance of beating Sandra in a competition, than one of the guys.

I'm just wondering if Sandra won't win the next challenges. She looks pretty fit to me.

Cruzlvr

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meemo, If memory serves me correctly, I think what Burton said was that he would promise never to "Lie" to whoever went in with him.

Does anyone know what he said for sure?

:)

Gina8642

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All we saw on TV was Burton telling Lil if they stuck together "they could go far, very far". Lil later said in a confessional later something about "them going all the way". I think each heard what they wanted to hear from the other.

I also still think Burton is an egomaniac and I'm glad Lil booted him. He seems to fail to realize that Lil was making a choice for Lil - ensuring a possibility of going to final two (a benefit he wasn't willing to concede). He, much like Rupert, seemed to expect other players to play for his benefit, not their own. There can only be one winner. Lil is trying to get Lil a win. He should respect that, but his ego is tooooo big for him to see around to notice the truth.

Hippyt

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just saw Burton on Nickelodeon. They always have the loser on the next day. Tijuana was on last week,she was really fun and cute and had a good time with it. She stayed on most of the afternoon there. Burton was on for about 5 minutes and he had the personality of a stick. lol,they said bye to him quick!

Texasdeb

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm jumping up & down that Lil used Burton's plan to alien with the other one until they didn't need them anymore for their own game. Don't think Lil even realizes that she turned the tables on the <el>. I'm sure Burton realizes what happened though. Lil rode Burton's coat tail for sure after the 2 outcast return. Burton alone is responsible for his plank. He should have kissed up to Lil no matter how annoyed he was with her just a little longer & taken her on that last RC instead of Jon. Another female would be the one gone now if Burton would have still had a mental game on.

Denecee

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 04:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So true, Texasdeb! I was so happy when he picked Jon because I just knew the women would come together for their own good. I still laugh when I think about how Jon ran up and jumped into Burton's arms. It seemed like he held him forever! LOLOLOLOL! I can't stop LOLOLOL!

Curlyq

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 04:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, that's exactly what bothers me most about Burton. Even now he seems to think Lill should've been content and even grateful for the chance to come in third. He can't understand why she'd want to reject that deal and actually try to win the game. It cracked me up last night when he commented that Sandra couldn't be trusted because she's money-hungry. Aren't they all supposed to be hungry for the prize? Did he really think Lill was just there for the camping experience?

Texasdeb

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 05:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Denecee - I almost pissed my pants in hysteria when <el> picked <el> to go on the RC. They left their <el> 3rd person back there feeling betrayed. And then how they talked so confident that everything was going their way while we watched the "weaker sex" scheme on them behind their backs ---The ultimate best editing for us viewers!

Ark

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the Yahoo Insider, Burton tells us that D told him that Lill was trying to pull the girls together against the guys. Just because Burton says it, after he's booted, doesn't mean it's true. He's just trying to make Lill look bad because he's ticked that she voted him off. Until I hear D say that she told him, I don't believe him. I don't think he and Jon would have been so confident at the reward if D had actually told them that. In fact, at the reward, one of them said something like, "Do you think the girls will try to put together a girls alliance?" and the other responded that they weren't smart enough. Nope, I'm not buying Burton's bull about D spilling the beans. It was just sour grapes talking.

Curlyq

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why wouldn't they feel confident if they believed they had Darrah on their side (since she tipped him off)? It explains why they suddenly changed their minds and decided vote against Lill instead of Sandra. If there only reason was that Lill was worn out, wouldn't that have made her less of a threat? It would also explain why he's so bitter about Darrah now since she ended up voting with the women anyway. Here's what I think may have happened:

Last week Darrah believed that she and Jon had a secret alliance for the final 2. She was still working under that assumption at the start of this round. One of the guys noted that she and Lill were spending more time together, so Lill might've started tossing the idea around with Darrah about a women's alliance after the guys targeted Darrah instead of Sandra. Darrah, wanting to solidify her position with the guys tips off Burton so Lill can be targeted instead. The guys don't worry about it because they assume Darrah won't go along with Lill. Then while they're gone Darrah hears the other two talking about how Jon promised each of them something different, plus she realizes Burton is the women's target and not Jon, so she changes her mind and votes with the women.

Does this give Burton the right to cry foul over Lill "betraying" him? No, because he made it clear to her that he wasn't promising to take her to the end. While Burton never promised her final 2, the outcasts did express that they wanted an outcast to win. By giving his first allegiance to non-outcast Jon, Burton betrayed Lill and the rest of the outcast tribe who voted him back into the game.

Niceguy

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 11:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Burton is such a(you fill in the blank). Here's a guy who actually gets a second chance and still has no grace. I'd hate to have regular close dealings with him. He must be aggravating to be around. So used to getting his way.

Brenda1966

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree nice guy. If he wasn't so good looking he'd have a lot more un-fans than Jon or Lill! Burton has such a huge ego I nearly choked at his speech after getting voted out. Can you say "poor sport."

Allietex

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Burton put the idea in Lil's head that the guys would not stick by an alliance when he talked about dumping Darrah.

Its funny if he knew before the TC that Lil had turned, because there was no indication at all that he knew and from his comments during the vote itself, he had no idea that she had turned. He only revealed that in his closing comments after he knew the results of the vote. I tend to think he is just trying to make himself look better by scrambling the order of events. And what is so funny about it, is not that he wanted to betray Lil, that makes him such a jerk; that is part of the game. It is that he acts so betrayed when he did the same thing.

However, if Darrah did tell him what Lil had said, that might just have been part of the girl's plan to divide and conqueor. It was a good way to take the pressure off Lil, because he turned to Sandra as a backup if he lost Lil. Remember when he said on the beach that he had Sandra as a backup just in case, because she would vote off anyone to stay in the game. He also stated flatly that he did not believe the girls could come up with a strategy.

Of course, if it did happen, it might have been Darrah's way of turning the guys attention away from her since Lil had told her they were after her. Either way it was good game playing on Darrah's part.

One reason I question the whole thing is that it would have been a wonderful thing for the editors to show. It would have cast doubt on what the girls were actually going to do without giving anything away. I can't believe they would not have used that. It would have increased the drama of the TC one hundred fold.

Csnog

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Burtons words were "Whoever else goes in there, if I'm able to go in you have my word in front of everyone here, I will never lie to you in this game. NEVER".

Burton, never leave 3 women home alone and take a guy on a dinner date. You should have taken Lil and Jon should have stayed home to keep an eye on the other 2. Arrogance was your just deserts, just like the first time you were voted out for wanting to throw a competition.

Justalittlebean

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Csnog, real bad move not taking Lil with him. Even Burton has a not so smart moment.

Allietex

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog, you are so right. Someone tried to say that because he did not promise to take her to the final two, just said he would not lie to her, he was not lying to her. But he did lie to her because he told her they were voting out Darrah.

Lorry

Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seeing Burton booted twice was worth putting up with his strutting around thinking he was the man.

He must be devastated. Voted out twice....lol