Archive through November 05, 2003
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Archive through November 05, 2003
Surfgirl | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 04:31 am     Enigma2: Jon and Skinny Ryan battle of the bones ..lol true pirate theme.. Acually we never got to see how competent Skinny Ryan was..know for sure he could out swim Osten..but then again .. so could my left over stryofoam container from Burger king..LOL |
Lorry | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 06:03 am     "Waving hello to everyone!" I would love to see Ryan Shoulders get his chance to compete on the island. He knew the Morgans were going about things the wrong way, but no one would listen to him. I think he deserves another chance. |
Enigma2 | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 07:57 am     Surfgirl: You alway get me to laugh out loud. Thanks. Just think: Drake: Rupert, and then Jon and Ryan S (the meat and the bones....) |
Surfgirl | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 11:14 am     Lorry: Yeah!, another skinny Ryan fan!I thought the same thing from the beginning, he did try to tell the other Morgans to plan there buying trip in the Village, but before he could finish the sentence, they all ran off in different directions! And he pointed out they had money left! Enigma2:Guess that would give Rupert something to pick his teeth with after a big meal of fish!(hopefully Jon?lol) |
Kappy | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 04:00 pm     Since S1, there have always been players we didn't like getting ahead. I still can't stand seeing Susan or Richard. And I absolutely loved Hunter and pegged him to win but understood how that also made him a threat. But at least I never felt that MB was purposely trying to set up certain people to win ~ that is until Jenna came along. And maybe that's what doesn't sit right with me about this twist ~ seeing Burton was so well rested and fed and then came the comments of pity for him from JP and all I could think of was how manipulative it felt instead of being a fun added twist to the game. It's almost as if MB himself wanted to ensure that someone like Rupert (the anti-model/actor wannebe if there ever was one) would not win this. |
Starshine40 | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 04:27 pm     For a rather humorous recap of Ep 7 go to: http://cbs2chicago.com/Survivor/survivor_story_304123357.html It's a link I found on Survivor News entitled: Recap of episode 7: Didn't the tribe speak already? |
Lori | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 08:20 pm     hmmmmmm I think I'll withhold judgment on the "twist" until I see what happens next. I loved the idea at first but then when I saw the show I wasn't so crazy about it. We'll see where it goes. |
Caycaye | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 09:09 pm     Enigma2...you ROCK!! In my opinion! LOL...I agree totally with your way of thinking. I totally think the same way about the "twist" being fair enough because most of the bootees were "unfairly" booted early, I think. Your comments were right on. The twist adds a lot of spontenaety and fun, where the middle of the show sometimes drags and becomes predictable. This early on, it gives those that were not given a fair shake to get back on and have ONE MORE CHANCE! My thinking, again, EXACTLY as you did...that Lillian will return because the bootees witll realize that she IS an asset on a deserted island, and was not given a fair shake because of her age. And my same reason why I DON'T think anyone will vote Ryan S. back on...because even the outcasts know that even with his desire to return, he did cost his team a challenge or two, and his frailty will outweigh anyone of the other 5. After analyzing the people, I think Burton and Lillian will come back...First,,,Lil will vote for Ryan (friend) and Burton (she will think he was unfairly targeted),I think Trish will vote for Burton (or maybe Michelle) and Lillian. I KNOW Ryan S. will vote for Lil and probably Burton, and Burton will vote for Michelle (he thinks Trish lied to his face like the rest of Drake) and Lil, because he was an Eagle Scout, and has come to respect Lil. Michelle will most definitely vote for Burton and maybe Lil or even Nicole...but probably Lil (ala Burton's wishes), and who knows who Nicole will vote for...but does it matter??? It is very obvious to me that the two top vote-getters will be Burton and Lil. |
Auntiemike | Monday, November 03, 2003 - 06:00 am     If they all had a chance to come back, why wouldn't they each vote for themselves? It would be one vote each! I think this would be especially true if they all worked so hard in the competition for the honor of coming back into the game. I just can't see going through all that (and living in the conditions they did) to vote for someone else to have a chance at the money. |
Texannie | Monday, November 03, 2003 - 06:19 am     http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|84417|1|,00.html LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Just in time for Halloween, the latest cast of "Survivor" castaways encountered some ghosts from episodes past during Thursday (Oct. 30) night's episode. The members of the Drake and Morgan tribes arrived at a reward challenge and were greeted by the six evicted contestants, making up a third tribe called the Outcasts. The result of the last twist on "Survivor: Pearl Islands" is that two players thought to be out of the game will be returning starting next Thursday (Nov. 6). A second outcome has been a mixture of excitement and outrage from the show's vocal fan base. For "Survivor" creator and executive producer Mark Burnett, it's all part of keeping the players and the audience on their toes. "I've got people coming now, in the seventh season, they've watched six seasons, they've bought the DVDs. They think it's their game," Burnett declares. "They say to me, 'It's the Day 17 mark, shouldn't there be like a rain cloud here?' I'm like, 'Shut the f*** up. Just play. Don't assume anything.'" While Burnett conceived of the "Ghost Tribe" twist while shooting the last installment of "Survivor" in the Amazon, he found that the concept dovetailed perfectly with a recent Hollywood blockbuster. "When you see movies like, for example, 'Pirates of the Caribbean,' the whole point is that a pirate is marooned with one bullet and they get the chance to come back from the dead and if they come back, they're meaner than hell." Burnett says. "That was the inspiration for why we did the whole thing." After each Tribal Council, Burnett called aside the evicted players. He told them that they would return to the game for one more reward challenge and that the reward would be something they'd really want, but he didn't reveal that they'd be able to get back in the game. In order to be eligible for this nebulous prize, the future Outcasts had to continue to maintain the game's living conditions. "Typically when someone comes out of the game, they're eating Snickers bars 24-7 and anything they want to eat," Burnett says. "This was very, very different. They were really limited in their calories." Because the Outcasts were slightly better rested than their Drake and Morgan colleagues, Burnett had to make sure that the competition didn't rely entirely on strength. Instead, Ryan S., Burton, Nicole, Michelle, Lillian and Trish won a prison-themed challenge that mostly tested teamwork and the ability to dig under bamboo cages. The Outcast victory led to Tribal Councils for both Drake and Morgan, and when next Thursday's show begins, the Outcasts will be with host Jeff Probst, ready to vote two players back into the game. The tribal destinations for the returning players will be determined by chance as Probst will put buffs for each tribe into an urn and make the Outcast pick at random. The two-part "Ghost Tribe" twist will allow "Survivor" to forego the usual end-of-season clip show on route to the two-hour season finale, which will air live from Panama Sunday, Dec. 14. Burnett is just relieved that this latest twist paid off, helping "Survivor" beat "Friends" at 8 p.m. for the first time since May 2001. "The important thing for me is shaking up so you don't start assuming and it's not the same game every time," he says. "It's simply a game of social psychology, of thinking on your feet no matter what happens." |
Kellirippa | Monday, November 03, 2003 - 07:40 am     It just never seems fair when someone it eliminated in a game and then gets a second chance to win...I mean, they've already lost the game, but I always love a twist, so let's see how it plays out. |
Sweetpea1994 | Monday, November 03, 2003 - 06:29 pm     I think I have to disagree. Trish, Burton, Michelle and Nicole were all booted for strategical mistakes. They all did something to deserve to be booted (in the other players eyes). The only two that can make the complaint they were unfairly booted are Ryan S. and Lil. |
Kappy | Monday, November 03, 2003 - 09:55 pm     Thank you, Texannie, for sharing the article. Even MB admits that the Outkast were more rested. |
Adven | Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 10:42 am     So, that's 745 who like the twist and 3 who don't. I'd say we're pretty evenly split then. I do resent MB referring to all this as a game of social psychology. Please. I'm guessing they don't spend a lot of energy on it at Harvard's Psych. or Soc. departments. This is a game of getting people to watch at just about any cost. He'd bring in a mirimba band and a couple of dancing gibbons if it meant advertisers would buy time slots. He'd also explain that the addition of the band and monkeys was not a cheap ratings ploy, but a considered attempt to add new stimuli in order to elicit a less predictable response. |
Pantageas | Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 11:11 am     I don't think that there IS a such thing as "fairly booted" or "unfairly booted". All of the 'Outcasts' got booted for one simple reason: more of their tribemates wanted them GONE than wanted them to STAY - whatEVER the rationale... Lots of sports/games have round-robin tournaments. College football has a system that can be somewhat arbitrary, and where a loss EARLY in the season is not as costly as a similar loss LATE in the season. This game(Survivor) changes with each iteration. I'm not sure "fair" and "unfair" relate. If 2 competitors spin the "Wheel of Eerie Edibles" and one particpant lands on 'cockroach' while the other gets 'ham sandwich' is that fair? Or is it just part of the game? How about the gross eating contest for the iteration where their FAMILIES had to eat the gross stuff. "I train myself to eat all this gross stuff without blinking and you go and ask my WIFE to eat it? Shenanigans!". If the 'Outcasts' had an advantage, it's one that ANY of the contestants could have had - they just had to get voted out in the first six. Now, how popular do you think 'getting voted on in the first six' is going to prove in the next Survivor? |
Sweetpea1994 | Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 12:42 pm     Trish, Nicole and Burton all tried to get another tribe member booted and Michelle made the mistake of showing her alliance too soon. Had Nicole and Trish both kept their mouths shut and not tried to get someone else booted, Ryan S. and Shawn would have been the boots. Burton approached Rupert about throwing the challenge and booting Christa, had he kept his mouth shut, maybe someone else would have gotten the boot. Michelle showed that she was aligned with Burton and Shawn and made herself a target. |
Lancecrossfire | Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 06:06 pm     Well, in terms of the game, I think the twist sucks. It seems like a game has to have some kind of boundries--if not, then it really isn't a game. Which losers do you let back in? Why can't all who get booted have a second chance? how does this reward those who are "out witting and out playing", since you can out last someone by getting booted off? Now for the ratings potential and the entertainment value, I can see where there is an up side to doing it. But only for that reason. People talk about getting bored with the way it has gone each time--being somewhat predictable. Well, how about in the NFL play--offs, since it's been done pretty much the same way for 30 years, we let a team back in who lost in the first or second round close to the division championship? I think there would be riots! I can understand EMB wanting to make is so nothing is predictable by the players--but let's draw a line about letting those getting booted back on the game field with a chance to win. As much as I like Rupert, and have liked others in past Survivors, I would never want my favorite to allowed back on after getting voted off. Oh, it is a stacked deck when that challenge happened. The folks voted off had nothing else to worry about for all those days. they didn't have to keep on a game face, always thinking about their positions and reactions. The others got to recharge mentally--and that is the most important aspect of the game. |
Sweetpea1994 | Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 06:43 pm     Well put Lancecrossfire!!!! |
Woodpecke® | Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 07:31 pm     Lance wrote what I came in here to say. And he expressed it better than I could. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast. Outcast??? Outlandish twist. |
Meme9 | Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 06:05 am     I agree Lance. For me, the twist took away the "game". But, I still like Rupert...so I'll still watch. |
March | Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 06:57 am     Lancecrossfire, I think you have said what alot of us have wanted to, well said. What about the ones that are voted out from now on, should they also get a chance to get back into the game? Not right to allow some a chance and not the rest. |
Maris | Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 07:35 am     I agree Lance. Once you are out, you are out. How does that old saying go? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Bringing back the outcasts is right up there with that goofy idea of adding exes to Big Brother. |
Enigma2 | Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 07:58 am     O.K. I can't watch this snowball (the last 5 posts) rolling down the hill, without making an effort to stop it: I think the twist is just great. A lot of 'good' players were voted out. A number of 'bad' or 'mediocre' players remain in the game. I'm finding that the twist is a great way to restore some sense of 'fairness' and to give some 'good' players who had been voted out –for somewhat questionable reasons– a second chance. |
Gen | Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 08:15 am     Enigma, I agree with you. Like so many have said before me, maybe it will stop the under the radar players from hiding and make them come out and play for real! Since when is life always fair? Aren't we all faced with a "twist" sometime in our lives, perhaps more than once? |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 08:55 am     Sorry, have to rescue that snowball and set it off downhill once more!! What we have is interesting but it isn't Survivor. Despite MB's opinion that "no one can tell me what to do with MY baby".. I think perhaps he's gotten too enamored with tweaking.. And the irony.. this season they had Rupert and Sandra and others compelling enough that they simply didn't need to throw the outwitted and outlasted back into the mix. Also agree with Lance that the outcasts had more than one unfair advantage.. and psychologically they are "now" (at the time of filming) worked up into to carry puffed up attitudes, feelings of revenge, dislike and, for most of them, being losers the second time out.. I don't think this group will go back to real life quite so gracefully, as a group, as past casts. |
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