WHO DOES NOT LOVE RUPERT?
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WHO DOES NOT LOVE RUPERT?
Sunshyne4u | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:03 pm     yes, intimidation works really well on stubborn kids who are just used to getting their OWN WAY! The kids who are truly in need of help, hide behind rough stoic "you cant get to me" exteriors. I have seen a few of those BOOT CAMP tv shows. Some kids DONT 'break'...those are, in my opinion, kids USED to being yelled at and verbally abused. ** Spygirl, it is a tough job. BUT, like when we take fosterkids into our home, we are NOT ALLOWED to 'go off on them'. It is part of our duty not to perpetrate the anger and violence. I agree that emotion of a situation can get the best of any of us.....but would you not be suspended for abuse?? if you made contact and screamed at a client?? Just curious. |
Gidget | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:17 pm     The article says Rupert may use manipulation in his job. It does not say he yells at kids. It says he yelled at a grown man in an attempt to manipulate him. Big difference. |
Sunshyne4u | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 01:35 am     Gidget I have cutnpasted this from the article. "I saw a technique being employed. First, you confront the person strongly and before they have the chance to assemble their argument. THE MORE YOU CAN SEEM ON THE VERGE OF LOSING CONTROL,the better this technique will work. You then let the person stumble through their first line defenses (which is all they have had a chance to muster) until they begin to repeat themselves. In this case it was a lot of, "Yes I voted against you because so & so said this, blah blah blah." First line excuses are invariably simple and easily discredited. This is why people invariably have backups they assemble when opportunity arises. The next step is to change the volume and tempo of things BEFORE the person gains composure and starts using their backup rationales. If you notice, once Peter Panic began to repeat himself, Rupert got very quiet. He became very conversational. The STANDARD PHRASES used in this situation are things like, "But can't you see how that view is incorrect?" and, "But surely you can see now that you were making a mistake, right?" RUPERT USED variations of BOTH OF THESE. End result, the person is incredibly relieved, thinking they narrowly dodged a bullet (or a fist to the chops) and quietly vows to himself to be more cautious and think things through better in the future. * They ALSO think twice about crossing the "ANGRY" person again. ******************************************** Maybe I have misunderstood, but it seemed to me that the writer of the article was saying that Rupert was using a standard technique. If it is standard, I would suggest he yells angrily at the kids too. |
Kep421 | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 05:14 am     I don't know whether Rupert yells at "kids" or not. Rupert does not work with toddlers or even pre-teens. If I remember correctly, he counsels teens about getting jobs. To me, this means the "kids" are at least 16-18 years old. Don't know about Rupert, and while I've never lost my temper to a wee one...I have certainly lost it with my 3 teens at one time or another. Wasn't the proudest moments in my life, but my teens weren't irreparably damaged by it either. I realize that teens are minors and are technically "kids"... but some of the posts here make it sound like Rupert is damaging some tender little ones by screaming in their faces whilst they cower for cover in a corner. I hardly think that's the case!! Does Rupert use the above technique on some of his teenaged clients? I think possibly he does. I could see a defiant teen glaring at Rupert...daring Rupert to make his case... and I could definitely see Rupert doing what is necessary to get through to the youngster....even if it means going toe to toe, eye to eye, and yes, even raising his voice. Do I think the teens are hurt or damaged by Rupert? No, quite the contrary. I believe the teens respect Rupert, because the things teens honor above all from adults... is honesty and telling it like it is. And with Rupert, you always know where you stand. |
Gidget | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 06:51 am     I disagree Sunshyne. I think the writer was careful to create a distinction with his words. Unlike TVCH posting he was mindful of not creating rumors, yet stirring ideas. Probably because he realizes he has never met Rupert and is comparing apples and oranges; that is how a man conducts himself in his personal and professional life vs. what he would do on a no holds barred game show for $100K. That is what good writers do. I have been just as guilty as the anyone to jump to conclusions about reality show contestants based on what amounts to a sound bite of information. I am not proud of it but it is why I watch these things. I did not get the impression that Rupert is a trained therapist other than by experience and perhaps from his nursing training. I refuse to make any assumptions about his professional life based on his performance on Survivor. Nor do I see the point in doing so. It would be different if we had some eveidence about Rupert, directly from his RL. But we are reacting to the suppositions of someone who has never met Rupert. |
Spygirl | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 08:35 am     I'm with Gidget here on this one. I won't make assumptions about his professional life based on what he has shown in a GAME setting. The writer was making some big assumptions. My comment above was in saying that despite being trained as a therapist, I still make mistakes in my real life that a therapist "would know better" than to do. So, even if Rupert works in a setting where he employs manipulation to help kids, that doesn't necessarily mean that he'll use it in the correct way when dealing with his tribemates. Or, if Rupert is trained not to yell or lose control with the youth he helps, doesn't mean he won't lose it and yell at his tribemates. That was my original point. |
Gidget | Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 10:29 am     Uh oh, I just jinxed Rup. I said he was playing for $100K not $1MM. |
Yuhuru | Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 08:32 pm     Tonight was awesome! I'm glad to see Rup go. He goes the way of so many others who thought they had it all figured out. I'm still kinda shocked that Lil actually went through with the deception-glad she did |
Sunshyne4u | Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 09:28 pm     YEAH! Goodbye Rupert........I do feel bad for him though. His "final words" showed that he really doesnt have a clue what a bully he seems to others. Maybe he will learn something about himself when watching these edited TV shows. |
Surfgirl | Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 09:46 pm     Gee.. I really dont see him as a bully .. just a to trusting fellow that got out played by people way more devious than he could ever be.. As for Lil well .. Girl nerd syndrom.. fell for the jock and the class clown,.. even at forty she wants to be the fun girl. |
Jagger | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 10:39 am     I'm glad to see him go, his time had come, his outbursts got the better of him. Wasn't it Jon he grabbed by the neck and yelled at for voting against him early on, it might have been Burton he yelled and screamed at when he lost the spear also, looks like the two of them got back at him. Payback's a bit*ch. As far as Lil, she agreed with Burton to stick together till the end, so I don't think she betrayed Rupert at all, especially after Rupert told her she would be the last from the other tribe to be voted off. |
Dram | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 10:48 am     I wanted to like Rupert. He seemed like a nice enough guy in the beginning. It was his sense of "entitlement" that drove me away. I don't care for Jon either but come on Rupert, people can vote the way they want. I also think Rupert was not living in reality. The way he looked at Jeff and said, "I don't believe this". Did he not think that the other players wanted to make it to the end? It became clear that Rupert thought he was automatically going to win this. I just don't understand his thinking. He had a dream of going all the way but failed to understand that others did to. Bye Rupert. |
Spitfire | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 11:33 am     Nice post Dram...that's exactly how I feel about Rupert. He was a good player, except for the sense of "entitlement" part. He should have that feeling, but should have kept it to himself. No one like others to tell them that the deserve it more that you. |
Guinevere | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:06 pm     >The way he looked at Jeff and said, "I don't believe this".< Is that what he said? I couldn't understand him. I feel sorry for the poor little pick-on kid Rupert, still seeking validation. But "Survivor" is not the place to find it. Ultimately, I think Rupert is delusionally self-centered. It never seemed to occur to him that the other people there wanted to win, and would try to win, themselves. What is that, if not self-centered? He's really rather a strange man, I think. |
Maris | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:10 pm     I agree Guinevere. He just didnt get that the others were there to win the game too. What exactly did he not believe? He didnt believe that he would be voted out because he was a threat? He was so busy proving to everyone that he was the best survivor on the island, the best fisher, the best competitor that he bested himself right off the island. Why on earth he didnt figure that he was a goner as soonas Burton gave his reward to Jon is beyond me. Then to not see that Lil was lying to him after he even said to the camera he would know she was lying if she didnt tell him what they talked about. His ego got in the way of him seeing that he was on treacherous ground. |
Pantageas | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:39 pm     I believe that Rupert didn't see it coming, but I think that's because he wasn't LOOKING for it...and he SHOULD have been. Shows like this, the Weakest Link, Big Brother etc. will NEVER be won by the "smartest", "strongest", "most deserving", etc. - and I put those adjectives in quotes because I mean them here in a traditional or structured sense. The people who win these games are the people who are the best at eliminating their strongest competition, while keeping themselves safe - all the while making themselves appear as a secondary threat, or beatable competiton. Remember during the first Survivor when Kelly had to win 4 STRAIGHT ICs just to remain in the game(I think she deserved to win just because of that, but that's a different story)? What it comes down to is Rupert being short-sighted in thinking that being the "best" GUARANTEED him the win... |
Gemma120in2002 | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:09 pm     I just poked in here to see what was being said even though I'm a Rupert fan. The one thing I have to say is that I absolutely love the beautifully expressed differences of opinion. You are all so skillful in expressing yourselves, and in conveying your sentiments and opinions. I just wanted to compliment you all on your writing skills! Those skills make coming to TVCH an enjoyable and addictive pastime for me. |
Texasdeb | Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:25 pm     I'm a Rupert fan but Rupert screwed up & got himself planked. After the merge, Rupert didn't play a good mental game. Do you think maybe he watched the Tom Hanks movie, Castaway too many times? |
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