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Catfat | Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 11:21 pm     This is the thread for SPOILERS. Why should we take up extras space to type in lots of extra lines of nonsense? If someone doesn't want to read spoilers, don't go to a thread titled SPOILERS. Duh. |
Whoami | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:43 am     Catfat, the reason we do gibberish at the front of our posts is as a courtesy to the people who use the "new message" feature at the top of the page. When the results for new messages is displayed, it gives the first few words in each post. Therefore, someone scanning the list of new messages may inadvertently read a spoiler, even when they are intentionally staying away from the spoiler threads. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 04:14 am     Well, I am now finally starting to see how the Final Three could play out! We could write so many scenarios from tonight's episode! Right now I see no reason why Ryan O. won't go next, per Mr. 411. Drake is too smart to splinter at this point. They can tolerate Jon a little longer. Although that may be a bad decision, because at some point he could stop becoming the one they want to get rid of to becoming the one they all want to go up against at the final TC! Plus, and this is where it gets interesting, he could take Lill and forge a new alliance. We saw how Lill reached out to him. She probably feels a kinship with his as the odd man out, just like she did with Ryan S. It supremely interesting to me that we saw her choose Jon of all people to confide in. We have the tip to TDT that Sandra is in the F3. However, they seem to have backed off from asserting that as truth for now. They have not placed it on their episode 13 spoiler guide, as they did with the Brian/Clay spoiler, and on the boot sheet, they have worded it like this-- "Tip to TDT claims she lasts until F3"-- and they have a question mark beside Final 3. So let's assume the tip is wrong for just a second. Snewser has not budged all season from keeping Darrah and an older woman (now Lill) in the F2 spot on his boot sheet. He currently has Jon in the F3. How could this play out if Lill has gone to Drake? We've heard whispers that Rupert does not make it that far from the beginning. Obviously he has made it far-- he is on the jury now-- but I have to wonder "no smoke without fire." There was also an earlier comment on Snewser's site that said "Chirp! His tribemates were not afraid of voting him out." Now Mr. 411, who started the spoiler for Andrew leaving this episode, says Ryan goes next and then Rupert. We see some focus on booting both Burton and Rupert in the previews, so that is probably misdirection. I would say it is very likely that Ryan O goes as Mr. 411 suggested. What next? Jon is not happy, he knows he is at the bottom in his alliance and he has seen how they welcomed Burton back with open arms despite their earlier intense desire to get rid of him. He'll go along with the crowd and get Ryan out. But he still has Rupert in his sights. Mr. 411 says Rupert leave after Ryan. After booting Ryan, Jon could conceivably get Lillian, Darrah and Tijuana going in another alliance. Remember Tijuana was strongly believed to be F4 earlier in the season. They may even get Burton on their side. I don't believe for one minute that there are not some ill feelings still left on Burton's part, plus Burton has that outcast bond with Lill. So those five could realign and boot Rupert, followed by Christa and Sandra. Then next goes Burton, Tijuana, Jon, leaving Darrah and Lill in the F2 as early spoilers suggested and as Snewser still has. TDT has lost just a smidgen of credibility over the merge thing. I tend to put my faith in Snewser over TDT for now. That's just one scenario. I'll look at the others, such as a Rupert/Sandra/Christa or Lill/Sandra/Rupert F3 later in the day. Time to get ready for work! Can you believe this is one of the first things I did when I woke up? |
Webkitty | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 06:15 am     LOL Hermie, yes, I can believe it!! I have read all those spoilers, but after last night, I am leary. I was SHOCKED that TDT and SF got the merge wrong. This is second time this season that TDT has been way off base. Drake winning the RC when Rupert went to Morgan was the other. It was clear that (to me) that Morgan would win. Shoulda gone with my own gut on that one. So, yes, TDT has lost credibility with me. Also, there is the ~Sandra is in ASS~ spoiler that was wrong. Wassup with these spoiler sights this season? lol. Also, Lil was supposed to be the one to win that II. There was NOTHING about Burton getting a double immunity. Strange........ Snews has changed his card around so much this season, I'm thinking anything could still happen. Actually, I am HOPING the F2 spoilers are wrong. Blech. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 07, 2003 - 07:52 am     Spoiling is wild this season. At this point, I don't know if I give any credence to ANY of the F3 spoilers. And I liked Vee of S4, but I think I feel about Darrah the way most people felt about Vee- like she is so UTR, she's boring. Or maybe she is just boring, period. I would prefer to see others there. But for arguments sake, let's continue to ponder on it being two women, one older and one younger, and a bearded man in the F3. Let's assume Sandra is one of the women per TDT's (iffy) spoiler. Could Sandra be the older woman? She does look older enough than Christa to be labeled that way, IMO. Sandra and Christa are tight. I don't see them being broken up at this point. So it could be Sandra and Christa in the F2 spots. The bearded man could be Rupert. What a beard that man has! And he, too has demonstrated loyalty to Sandra and Christa. However, if Rupert is taken out as 411 asserts, who is the bearded man? I can't imagine that it is Ryan. Andrew is gone. Could be Burton. I'm still inclined to think it will be Jon over Burton, though. Sandra and Christa are shown talking about getting rid of Burton again. I think they tolerate Jon better than we are shown and if they are refocusing on Burton next episode rather than Jon, I think if they are the F2, it bodes well for Jon to outlast Burton. If Sandra is the F3 female, and Lill is the older woman, well, that could play out also, but I think it is the least likely from the information we have at this point. Lillian is now on Drake's side, so of course she could bond with them and they could all pick off the Morgans. At that point, though, she is very vulnerable. She would either have to go on an immunity streak or she would need to put the focus on the irritating Jon or threatening Burton before herself, or both. However, I think she would feel a greater allegiance to Burton than to the original Drake's, and if they start to splinter, I think she would go with Burton and Jon against Rupert, Sandra and Christa. Like I said in my earlier post, I think she must have felt tugged towards Jon for her to have shared her feelings with him. I also wonder if she and Jon end up sharing the reward because I can't think of an unlikelier pairing per the CBS site preview. Either way you cut it, it can play out so many different ways. For now, the most I can do with confidence is concentrate on one episode at a time, and for the next episode, I think Ryan O is gonna be in trouble. |
Naptown | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 01:13 am     One interesting thing in the promo is the statement "Plus, a sinister plot is brewing." and next it shows Tijuana saying "If one of the guys "get hurt..." She uses finger quotes when she says "get hurt". I am wondering if this leads up to our "big lie". Maybe Ryan (or someone) will fake an injury so that they won't be perceived as being such a big threat, hoping that they will vote out someone who is a bigger threat. The remaining Morgan tribe has to be desperate to keep what's left of them from being voted off. If Ti and Darrah hear that the Drake women want to pick off the men first, it just might be a last ditch effort to save Ryan. Just a guess. First time posting, but I have been a lurker for several years. I love this place! |
Alaginger | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 05:23 am     Hi Naptown.........welcome!!! I had thought of the "get hurt" thing as a way to get rid of one of the guys, and thought maybe Ti was talking about the incident with the electric ray. Like, "Wouldn't it be great if somebody like Burton got hurt and had to be airlifted out of here --- that would give me longer to stay around". I hadn't thought of it the other way around as you have suggested. Interesting concept........hmmmmm!!! |
Naptown | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 06:14 am     Thanks for the welcome Alaginger. I know the people here are kind to newbies. I wouldn't think of posting anywhere else. I thought about Burton getting stung too. Also there is a rumor that Lil broke her foot while they were filming, so who knows. It would be interesting if one of the guys did try that. Seems they are far too worried about the physical threats and are overlooking the more manipulative ones. It looks like they are once again plotting against my home boy, Rupert, I don't think it will pan out this time around either. Not sure I believe Mr.411 about him going next week. |
Alaginger | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 06:46 am     Oh, Yeah......I had forgotten about Lil and the foot. I read somewhere that it was just a sprain. I read somewhere else, that the foot thing happened after she was back home. So, at this point, who knows!!! |
Grannyg | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 07:43 am     I just got through reading bcandscott's extra clips and I had a couple of questions about the voting last week. I'm still trying to figure out how Ryan O goes this week. If Andrew, Darrah and Ryan O had an alliance, with Andrew gone that only leaves Darrah and Ryan O. So Darrah may be looking to find a "new" alliance and what better than Christa and Sandra? That leaves Ti and Lil hanging out somewhere. If they voted with the Drakes then you would think they would vote off Ryan O before a Drake. So Ti thought the other 3 were tight and she went with Lil? So does that put Ti and Lil with the Drakes? How many votes did Jon get? Andrew, Darrah, and Ryan O must have voted for Jon. Was there more votes for him? I just find it so hard to believe that Ryan O will go before Jon. If he upsets everyone with the mock wedding thing, then you would think he would be the one to go. I think I'm rambling................ |
Surreal_Badger | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 09:42 am     grannyg, i think the alliance-of-three that darrah mentioned was d, t, and rhino. i don't think andrew was part of the mix, although he probably thought he was. i think that t is a "free agent" now, particularly with osten and andrew gone. and i think, if she's smart, she'll align with the drake women knowing that her original tribe is outnumbered. since there are more former-drakes now than former-morgans, i think drake will try to start pagonging the morons, and rhino as the last male from that group seems like an obvious choice. he did well in the weight-bearing competition, so even though he's skinny (well, he's no skinny ryan, but you know what i mean), he's a threat. he did better than andrew in the swimming competition this week too, yes? i think drake would be foolish to boot jon and even up the numbers, particularly since burton's loyalties might be to the "outcast" tribe, and not to drake. and i think jon is here for the duration. . . at least 'til the F4. |
Grannyg | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 11:21 am     ACK!!!! I don't think I can take Jon that long. And I don't think the other jury members will vote for an outcast to win because they all seemed disgruntled at the thought of some of them coming back. I LOVE THIS SHOW!! |
Pamy | Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 11:57 am     Welcome Naptown! Thanks again for all the spoiling, I never have time to look at all the other sites so I love everyone's take on things |
Naptown | Monday, November 10, 2003 - 11:46 am     Sandra is the power behind the Drake tribe. I expect her to go a long way. She needs to pull Jon in a little closer to keep him from turning on her, Christa, and Rupert. The four of them could be final 4 if they would stick together. The promos suggest that they might "cut their own throats". I could see that happening if they don't reel Jon back in. No matter how annoying he is, they need him a little longer. The Drakes made a huge mistake too early on trying to get rid of one of their own. Didn't Burton learn anything from being voted out the first time? Be a team player Burton! You and your team might last longer. All the spoilers have Morgans in the final 2. I can see how this could play out, but I'm hoping that it won't. |
Jeep | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 06:28 am     TDT already has their picks up. Here they are..... do da do da day Reward - Rupert Immunity - Burton Boot - Ryan O I hope they don't change later in the day. |
Wilsonatmd | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 08:22 am     it's a smart move if it's right....If Ryan O goes tonight, Rupert then becomes expendable next week (the other former Drakes then have a 5-3 advantage, and Lill's mostly on their side. Even if they do cut Rupert and then Lil turns on them, it's still 4-3.....and I do think next week they'd be able to convince people Rupert is too dangerous to go very far-the reasoning for keeping Burton being that even if he got to the final 2, the jury wouldn't vote for an Outcast to win). |
Jeep | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:43 am     OMG! Wait till you hear what Snewser has..... do da do da day Boot: Lillian! (but no check) Did anyone vote her as the boot? |
Meli456 | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:46 am     What the ???????? Shocking... Simply shocking... Going to do some snooping, this is beyond belief! |
Jeep | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:46 am     And now TDT has changed their boot to agree with Snewser! Boy, I'm toast today! |
Essence | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:46 am     TDT has the same thing now. |
Jeep | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:48 am     Should we all make it easier on Bob and just tell him to change all our boot votes to agree with the spoilers? LOL Geesh! |
Realbiz | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:55 am     then what will happen to the final 2 "older woman"??? sandra? |
Jeep | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 11:59 am     Obviously, someone looks a lot older than we think! |
Meli456 | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 12:00 pm     la de da SP went and changed theirs too. At this point, I'm not convinced that Snewser isn't playing games with us. He said "What if" that happened and there is no check next to Lil's name. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 12:03 pm     Man. Grrrrrrrrr. Realbiz, I don't even know if we can count that spoiler anymore. Didn't it come from the same source that said the older woman would win the underwater IC and it would be the same older woman in the F2? As far as I am concerned, those are out the window and F2 is up for grabs, LOL! I gotta say, now that the shock has worn off, that if Snews is right, I like how this whole season is surprising us. |
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