Does Anyone think Lil was serious?
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Immunity_Man

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 05:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
On the Early Show, Lil stated that even though she knew that Jon would not have beaten her if she chose him over Sandra that she STILL would not have taken Jon to the finals with her because of his lifestyle.

Does anyone believe this? I don't. I cannot believe that she would have settled for $100,000 (which is not enough for her daughter's med school) instead of 1 mil just to see Jon in 3rd place instead of 2nd even now knowing the jury would not have chosen him.

I wish she'd be honest with herself. Jon still walks away with $75,000 as the 3rd place winner as opposed to $100,000 for 2nd place. Lil thought she could beat Sandra hands down. Lil really wanted to win! She did not starve for 39 days, go dirty, get eaten up by bugs, and sleep outdoors just to give Sandra 1 million dollars.

I wish she'd just say, "Well, considering the jury's reaction to Jon and their dislike for him, if I had known they would have chosen me over him, I'd would have gone to the finals with him instead of Sandra."

Cassie

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. I don't believe she would have taken Sandra had she known the jury's dislike of John. But again, I don't know if I believe they would have chosen her over John based on her outcast role. I think it would have been a tighter contest but he might still have won based on his game playing.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon would have won. The hand count was inacurate. Darrah said that she misunderstood the question and thought she was raising her hand for a Jon vote. In interviews it has come out that Lil would have been second place no matter who she was against.

I think Lil thought she would win against either and took Sandra to give her the second place money.

Why she is talking all this Colby stuff is beyond me. She is a very judgemental woman and clearly thinks she has a corner on the truth about right and wrong. She does not appear to have entertained the idea that everyone is "allowed" to live their life as they choose or that Jon was playing a role or playing a GAME, for cryin' out loud.

Gina8642

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't recall her saying this. I think she said she felt that Jon would beat her. So, she took Sandra because if she lost to Sandra she'd feel more comfortable with Sandra having the million.

BTW - Darrah clarified in a post game interview that she was confused by Jeff's Jon v. Lill question. Darrah said she would have selected Jon to win if there was a Jon/Lill final 2. So, if Lill had taken Jon she would still have come in second. There is no doubt of this outcome.

I wish everyone would stop trying to put down Lill. What I don't get is why everyone is judging her so harshly for playing the game. She's attempting to be polite in these post game interviews and people still judge her.

Lauram

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina: I agree with you that we should stop criticizing Lil. The game is over and there is no need continue to bash her.

Now that being said, you state that Lil is attempting to be polite in these post game interviews. I guess that I don't see that. I think the polite thing to do would be to say either (a) I didn't think I would have had a chance up against Jon so I took Sandra, or (b) I thought I had it against Sandra, I miscalculated.
Just as there is no need for us to continually bash Lil for her judgemental arrogance against Jon, there is no need for Lil to continually bash Jon for his "alternate" lifestyle.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Lauram.

Spygirl

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is interesting how people are all over Lil for unfairly judging Jon and yet are in the process criticizing and judging Lil themselves. The irony isn't lost on me.

I stated it before, Lil would have not won against anyone. She has stated she didn't want Jon to win any money and that she might have a better chance against Sandra. What part of that reason is not good enough a reason? It is clearly what she believes so who am I to say she's lying to herself?

Dognutbc

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is what Lil said as she voted off Fairplay, according to Yahoo Insider :
"Lillian (votes Johny Fairplay): I think the jury, they're going to wise up and see who the master of this game is. And that will put me to second. I'm hoping I have a better chance with Sandra. And this is why I cast my vote to you. Thank you."

Fruitbat

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 10:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely Spy! I even judge the judgement!

Seamonkey

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well this brings up in me that I'm happy that Lill was judging Jon BECAUSE I wanted Sandra to win and BECAUSE I dislike his lifestyle, but if she had mentioned disliking someone because of a gay/lesbian lifestyle, or political leanings or because of their race or religion, or their age, or their wealth, I'd be appalled.. So, I'm being judgemental.

But, it was strictly Lill's choice.. she won the immunity and the ability to choose her final two competitor and I'll accept that she's being honest about her reason.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I think she is being honest alright. That has never been in question for me.

Seamonkey good work! I support selective judgement! Being rational is overrated.

Maris

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All viewers judge the participants that is the fun in the show. I judged her as a whiner and a complainer and needy. I judged Jon as a total waste of space. I judge the participants in all the reality shows, that is the fun. I don't get emotionally involved in it (with the exception of BB2, there were people in that show I just despised).

At the end of the day, I could care less what Lil's reasons were for not taking Jon with her because Sandra won and she was my favorite. Although someone in my family is really ticked she even won a penny. It is just a t.v. show and those people put themselves in that position knowing they will be judged and possibly villified.

Pascalle

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lil makes me sick with her comments. Jon is a young unmarried man, his life style is in keeping with many young 20 something bacholors. Her holier than thou attitude is why the jury didn't vote for her and why I don't like her. I'm glad she did not win top prize.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Maris. And I agree Pascalle.

Cousin_Jake

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny, I know quite a few 20 something bachelors (My son's friends) and from what I see and hear, none of them talk about women negativly or talk about doing drugs as if there were nothing wrong with that. (Maybe they just do it when I'm not around!) We all judge people based on our own experiences and personalities. A few of the young men and women on previous Survivors have made me shake my head with their focus on physical beauty and their sense of entitlement because of it. (That goes for a few on Big Brother as well) Whatever Lill's reasons were for picking Sandra over Jon, I'm just glad she did. I think she guessed she would lose to either one (even though I'm sure she hoped she'd win) and she picked the person she'd rather have get the money. I have no problem with that.

Pascalle

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon is not a husband or father, he is a young man enjoying himself. Deal with it!

Cousin_Jake

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 08:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no problem dealing with it. Jon is very much like many of the 14 and 15 year old boys I teach. I'm just expressing my point of view .... as are you. Deal with it!

Lancecrossfire

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, hold off on the jabs to one another. Address the issues, not each other.

Spygirl

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 08:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just so I'm clear...As long as Jon isn't a husband or a father, it is okay for him to act certain ways?

Personal perception definitely colors our views because on my TV, Jon took a holier than thou stance just as much as Lil.

Maris

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 09:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course people perceive things differently, that is the whole fun of the debate. Remember Jack from BB4? To some he was a master tactician, playing under the radar and to others he was as dumb as a post. I am not exactly sure what Jon did except act obnoxious and tell a silly dead grandmother lie. If it came down to it I would prefer Jon winning over Lil, Osten, and quite a few others.

Spygirl

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, you are exactly right. I agree with you totally and tend to get irritated when people don't recognize that simple thing. Pointing out Lil's behavior while overlooking the identical behavior in Jon gets annoyingly repetitive after a while. And then to see his behavior justified with the tired adage of "he's young" is even worse. Justification, justification, justification.

Seamonkey

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not fond of either of them.

Spygirl

Monday, December 22, 2003 - 09:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny thing is - neither am I!! LOL

Magicjet

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To tell the truth, I seriously doubt if Jon gives a rats behind what any person on a fan page thinks.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 04:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Justifying our favorites behavior and cutting no slack to those we dislike is part of the fun. Some may take this seriously but not many.

Maris

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 05:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That is exactly right Fruitbat.

Immunity_Man

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This topic got way off into left field!! I was not judging Lil. I was simply asking who truly believed that she still would not take Jon to the finals even though she now knows that the Jury would have given her the big prize.

I just do not believe that she is that selfless. I mean c'mon! Jon would still walk away with a $100,000 prize which he can be just as reckless with it as he WILL be with at $75,000.

I just wish these people who go to the end like Colby and Lil would be honest enough to say, "Hey, if I knew I had a lock on winning 1 million, I'd have changed my vote!" That's all. I'm not judging Lil. You're only with these people for little over a month and that's not enough for me to give up 1 million dollars and I'd admit that if an interviewer asked me.

P.S. Anyone seen Jonny Fairlplays's webpage. It's jonnyfairplay.com. There's nothing on it except an obscene gesture from him. It's under construction.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris

I understood what you meant Immunity_man.

Denecee

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What was the topic again? LOL! I think Lil seriously did not want Jon to win. Who knows for sure? I'm just happy she picked Sandra and not Jon.

Gina8642

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The jury would NOT have given her the big prize. She knew that then, she knows that now and so does everyone else. Just because Darrah rose her hand by mistake at Jeff's question does not change that.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 08:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the end it doesn't matter what Lil's motives were--she won the right to pick who she took to the final 2.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly, Lance! And I'll always be grateful that she took Sandra :)

Magicjet

Wednesday, December 24, 2003 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll always be happy that she did not win the million and that she had to answer the jury's questions. lol

Shewho

Wednesday, December 24, 2003 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A million dollars is a lot of money.

Hopefully it would be used productively and not
firttered away.

No one can know for certain whether Jon would
use it wisely or have one huge party.

Here's to Sandra getting her home and no worry in meeting the college bills.