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Azriel

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My heart went out to Christa last night. Nothing is worse than being accused of something and having no way to prove that you didn't do it. I don't know why they couldn't take one look at her and know that she wasn't lying. I was almost crying with her, the poor baby.

Something I don't understand - I thought that when they got the call to go on Survivor that they couldn't tell anyone outside immediate family that they were going. Don't they usually even have to make up something to tell their boss?

Jon said, that he called his friend 'right before he left' and set this scam up. Hasn't he broken some rule?

Alexia

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel, that is exactly what I was thinking! This has got to be a violation of some sort, communicating with friends that you're going to be on Survivor and setting this up, I mean this is basically outside help to win the game afterall!

Okiekerriella

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon concocted his plan with his friend when he was selected but before he was one of the final 16 so he didn't violate the rules because the plan was made BEFORE he was chosen to be on the show.

Gina8642

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the only reason they (Christa and Sandra) went with voting out Ti was some sort of loyalty to the old Drake tribe? Stupid? - Yeah, pretty much. If they stuck with Ti and Darrah - they gauranteed themselves final four with two players who've proved them selves 'middling' at challanges. By sticking with Burton and Jon, they've stuck themselves with Burton, the king of challanges, and Jon who has proved himself a <el> and likely to break his word.

If these women (Ti and D) were smart they should have wanted to vote out JON, not Burton. Jon is the one creating all the drama and cannot be trusted. Burton is good to keep around. He fishes, and as a strong male is unlikely to do well in MB's final challanges which are generally designed to give smaller, non-athletic people a chance to get to the finals.

Don't these people watch Survivor? Yeesh!

Gina8642

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW - Jon's lie is definately NOT against the rules. JP has stated many, many times in interviews that he doesn't understand why players don't lie more often - about who they are, or to gain sympathy. Clearly the show had really wanted someone like Jon to come on the show. They've been searching for a guy to do this and they are HAPPY they got one.

Shakes

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 10:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't had much time to communicate on these boards lately...I've had to settle for a lurk every now and then...but I just have to throw this out to y'all...

Does anyone else think Sandra and Jon have a major alliance going? I've been pondering this for awhile but then abandon the idea because something happens to make me think "nah, couldn't be"...but after the events on last night's show I'm feeling more sure.

First of all, Jon and Sandra's relationship is just too obviously contentious. Wasn't their first major 'F you' argument in Ep2 or 3? I truly do not remember any two survivors in the history of the show who were so vocally at odds so early on. There have been several occasions when getting rid of Jon would have been easy, with Sandra always seeming to lead the charge, but then it never happens. In last week's show Sandra votes for Jon...a completely independent vote. Can't you just hear Jon and her talking about the newly formed alliance of five and the inevitability of Rupert going and Sandra saying that no way will she vote for him (I believe Sandra really did like Rupert and is not stupid enough to waste Rupert's valuable end game vote, if in fact she makes it to F2)and Jon saying something to the effect of 'Fine, vote for me then, no one will question why you did it and that will keep you from having to vote either way'. How is it that Sandra can so easily find Burton and Jon talking strategy and not get caught? Why are Burton and Jon stupid enough to go off on a walk,to the same spot as before, and then not even WHISPER just in case. How does Sandra manage to find them again and bring T along to hear their convo...never once alerting the two guys that they are there. Sandra calls Jon out on EVERYTHING, calls him a liar, shouts from the rooftops that he shouldn't be trusted but never outs him and Burton for their private pow wows?

Then last night she's got the Morgan gals in the palm of her hand, a coup d'etat so close she can taste it, and one quick chat with JON about the virtues of Burton makes her abandon the opportunity for control?

Now, normally I would think my conspiracy theory is just too complex and farfetched for any two survivors to anticipate and manipulate into working...but after last night and the Grandma thing...anything is possible.

Anyone else with me on this? Anyone disagree? Love to hear everyone's opinion...

Pamy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I felt sorry for Christa, I keep thinking why doesn't she say go ask one of the camera guys.

This years reunion will be better than ever. Christa now knows it was Sandra and everyone knows about Jon's lie. I think they will need 2 hrs for it this year!

Kaili

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They should have sent a camera crew to Sandra's house to watch her watch this week's show :) I bet she hit the roof! I don't think I would want to see Lil finding out about it though.

Pamy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shakes, I think you might be right. That would explain why Sandra didn't vote for Jon.

Also, how is that Jon and Burton didn't see the camera lights and cameraman filming Sandra and T 'sneaking' up on them.

Starshine40

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pamy, at night they use a night vision for light, not lights.

Pamy

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even still you would think Jon and Burton would hear the rustling of 3 people!

Curlyq

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shakes, I've been suspicious of Sandra and Jon for a while now. Considering all the shouting matches they've had, it's always seemed odd to me that the others hadn't voted one of them out yet if only for the sake of peace and quiet.

It seemed like voting out Burton was Sandra's idea in the first place, but somehow Burton and Jon were allowed to believe it was all Tijuana's fault. Tijuana had no reason to tell Jon how the vote was going and demand his cooperation since they didn't need his vote anyway, so it makes me wonder if she wasn't put up to it. Sandra could've created this opportunity to make Tijuana look like a trouble-maker the same way she made Christa look like the villain over the fish. This way she and Christa both get 3 more days rather than immediately following Rupert to the jury seats.

If Sandra does have an alliance with Jon, I'm betting it'll work more to his benefit than hers.