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Jami

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If the vote had gone more along the lines that Rupert thought except Lil or anyone of the votes that Rupert thought he had lined up against Darrah then Sandra’s vote would have been the reason Rupert would have been voted out.
Like, what if this happened.
Rupert, Christa, and Burton voting off Darrah,,, 3 votes for D.
Ti, Darrah and Jon and Lil voting off Rupert,,,4 votes for Rupert.
And then the real cause for Rupert going would have been Sandra not sticking to the plan and voting for Jon. Whereas, if she had voted in block for Darrah it would have been at least a tie between D and R.

So my question is this: Was Sandra just not thinking straight about the vote and just wanting to vent against Jon? Or did she really want Rupert voted off but be able to keep his friendship/vote to win after the fact?

And add to the equation that she “killed” Rupert in the IT. Could she be that calculating?

Lorry

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is no denying Sandra's respect and devotion to Rupert. However, emotions have to be put aside when you play the game.

I think it's more then possible that Sandra did not want to vote against Rupert... and that she wanted to show her contempt for Jon who was a major factor in Rupert getting booted. She didn't vote the block on Darrah because that would have made it a tie and IF Rupert lost the tie, he would be going anyway, and she would be next.

I think she was in a spot. She had to prove to the others that she was with them, and not Rupert.

I still think she's the target next. I hope she can form an all woman alliance and boot Burton and Jon.

Good question Jami.

Immunity_Man

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lori,

That is a good question and I think Sandra is calculating. Personally, I don't like Sandra. She seems to have a perpetual chip on her shoulder and always acts like she's pinch in her panties.

Sandra may be playing Christa and the rest of the tribe. She was the one who suggested to Christa and hinted to Darrah and Ti that Rupert should be the next to go.

After seeing this week's previews, I think her time is just about up unless she wins immunity. She wanted to Rupert to go, but on her terms I think.

Was Jon's vote read last night? I think it was.

Pascalle

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I detest Sandra. It's amazing how many people hate Jon when someone like her is staring you right in the face.

Lori

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she knew Rupert was gone. She did not want to alienate Darrah so voted Jon. Hopefully the girls will band together against the guys.

I think she really did like Rupert but ultimately it's every man/female for themselves.

Landi

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
there was no way rupert was ending in a tie last night, with or without Sandra voting for Jon. The vote was as such:
FOR JON: Sandra

FOR DARRAH: Rupert, Christa

FOR RUPERT: Burton, Jon, Darrah, Tijuana, Lillian

Even if Sandra voted for Darrah it would still have been a 5-3 vote for Rupert. The big problem AGAIN arises in Lillian and Burton. <shaking head at Mark Burnett for adding those "outcasts" to the group>. Here is where I agree with Andrew. They DID NOT deserve to come back to the game!!!!

Texasdeb

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Sandra overheard more in the bushes than she shared with either Rupert or Christa. Rupert thought he had Lil on their side so it would have been 4/4. I think Sandra knew Burton/Jon were gunning for Rupert & had the votes to plank him. This was her chance to get out the biggest threat without outwardly being a part of it which would secure Rupert's jury vote if she ends up F2. Good stratagy for her - bad for our Rupert.

Dkstar2162

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i was just wondering and maybe somebody already mentioned it but i have to ask. Did Jon sabatoge the ship wreck/ puzzle challenge because he was teamed up with Rupert? I mean they were up aganist burton and Lil and Jon already formed an alliance with Burton so what did Jon have to lose? Right?

Texasdeb

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Food for thought Dkstar. Jon wasn't a good partner. Didn't he fall off the rope climb & Rupert just sorta shook his head? Burton played his game by giving his trip to Jon & instructing Jon to work his magic on Lil. Burton told Jon they were final 2. Heck, IMO Jon is the only one Burton might be able to beat in final 2 (God forbid they either one are up in F2 with Ty or Da cause I would want either Burton or Jon to win against either of these women.)

Dkstar2162

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not only did Jon fall but i thought i noticed Burton waiting to help Lil after each bell ringing almost as if he was looking back and not in much of a hurry. When Jon "accidentally" forgot to ring the bell and had to climb back up the sheet i really had a sneaky suspicion that something was not right with Rupert being teamed up with Jon

Texasdeb

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I forgot about the "Jon forgets to ring bell & has to climb back up the sheet" thing. Looking more & more like the producers "wanted" a Rupert plank. Do you think they already knew at this point in filming S7 that they wanted Rupert in the All Stars & felt it only fair to let him rest up & get back some lost strength. Could be interesting.

Pamy

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Texasdeb, i think you might have something there

Konamouse

Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Texasdeb, interesting thought about the plans of the producer, but remember that S7 was filmed months ago. Even if Rupert made it further in the game, he would still be "well rested" for ASS (All Stars Survivor). And while the producers may have been gloating over the dailies with all the great footage from Rupert, they may not have realized HOW popular he would be with the public until the show actually started airing.

I would have liked to have seen the drawing of chits to see reactions as people were paired up.

'squeek'

Dkstar2162

Saturday, November 22, 2003 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
why did they pair them up to begin with ? if they had done the challenge individually they would have to chose the two best from each. Would the rupert advantage then ruin it for the producers. Am i making sense here? LOL

Leafsgirl

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't understand why people are questioning Sandra's allegiance to Rupert because she voted for Jon. I bet that Rupert, Christa and Sandra decided to cast one vote for Jon as a warning that if he didn't stick with them he'd be gone next. They all talked together before tribal council and Burton and Jon both said they were still voting for Darrah. Lil also told Rupert she was behind him 100%. Therefore, what was one vote for Jon when they were certain Darrah was going home?

Maris

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sandra's allegiance to Rupert lasted as long as it suited her. Nothing wrong with that. She overheard the conversation between Jon and Burton and then gave a very watered down version to Rupert. She never told Rupert that Jon and Burton were voting him out. She votes against Jon because she knows Jon hates her and she will solidify an alliance with the other women. She saw Darrah as more useful than Jon to her at that point.

Sandra has said all along it is a game and she is there to win. She wasnt going to screw anyone in her alliance but she knew enough that you have to cover yourself.

Serate

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 05:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I don't understand why people are questioning Sandra's allegiance to Rupert because she voted for Jon."

Because Rupert really truly thought that only Sandra, Christa, Lil, and himself would vote for Darrah. Sandra wanted him out so voted for Jon just in case Lil actually voted for Darrah, therefore making it impossible for a tie. And she could be honest when saying she didn't vote for Rupert.

Pantageas

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
After seeing Sandra's temper sell-out Christa tonight, has anyone's opion of her changed?

Surfgirl

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved Sandra.. in the beginng..My opion of her her changed ..last week when she back-stabbed Rupert.. might of been a smart move ..still pisse..oops made me mad!

Tonight when she set up Christa.. just made me sick..even if was a "accident""(which I kinda find hard to believe..Sandra has every step and the 3 in front of it planned out)

I was so mad..but then when she lured TJ into the jungle to spy on guys..well.. I forgave her a little bit lol..then to screw it up and not vote out Burton.. maybe 3 steps planned ahead she just went back 2 lol.. and deserves it!!GO Christa!!

Jami

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really felt sorry for Christa.

Starshine40

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a different point of view than many expressed here on Sandra.

I believe that last week she only heard part of the conversation between Burton and Jon and only heard that they were going to try to get Lil to join them in voting Rupert out. She looked extremely shocked at tribal council. I remember also that Rupert believed that Lil would be on Drake's side and vote with him, Sandra and Christa. Why didn't Rupert tell S & C they had to stick together and vote for Darrah? I think Sandra was not "thinking" strategically.

I also believe the "fish incident" was as she said an accident that she spilled them. She said she was going to get rid of them so the others couldn't eat the fish Rupert caught, but believe she would have taken them a little farther from camp so they wouldn't have been smelled. Once Christa was BLAMED (Burton was pretty nasty to Christa) then Sandra would have been somewhat afraid to speak up and confess.

I'm glad she took T to hear the conversation between Burton and Jon but DO NOT understand why she and Christa would EVER have believed Jon again after they KNEW how he lied about things before. Bad judgement is my guess.

Lycanthrope

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I felt extremely bad for Christa. Just goes to show I shouldn't trust the promos. I hope she bounces back and goes further in this game.

Csnog

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sandra overhears way too much. When she told Tj the story and Tj didn't respond Sandra set her up.

Tj or Darrah was the target all along.

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 06:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Starshine. That is how I saw it too.

Auntiemike

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sandra is playing the game pretty hard too. She just hasn't "gone over the line" like Jon. At least I don't think so. She is pretty aware of what is going on and tries to work it to her advantage.