Immunity_Man | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 08:20 am     I sat speechless last night for about 10 minutes after realizing that Jon fabricated his grandmother's death to gain sympathy from his tribemates AND the audience. What he did last night was unconscionable and reprehensible! I actually felt sorry for the lying <M> last night and was angry at Sandra for throwing away the fish and not showing any sympathy towards Jon's loss! (Sandra still gets no points from me for letting Christa take the blame.) I cannot believe how he planned and calculated this whole thing months before he ever even left for the Pearl Islands. An individual who lies at this level is capable of anything! Mark Burnett changed the entire focus of the game with his Outcast twist. Well, I think he should've intervened again and removed Jon from the game. He abused the "Outwit" slogan and took it to an all time low! And then to swear on his grandmother's grave. I would not want to be anywhere near this guy! Of course Mark Burnett won't intervene. He likes these things to play out "naturally". He thinks it makes for good TV and if it does and we continue to tune in, what does that say about us? <M> |
Lori | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 09:29 am     I too found Jon's actions horrible. How I wish this lie would have been exposed. Of course Mark knew immediately afterwards that Jon had lied. I wish he would have shared this info with the Survivors. Of course it changed the outcome of the game. Just ask Tijuana! I cannot believe for one minute, had the others known, Jon would have been voted out instead of "T". |
Terry1960 | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 09:51 am     I hope the jury has an opportunity to learn the truth!! Don't they get to watch tapes or something? |
Seanflynn2003 | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 09:51 am     You people I fear just don't get this game, or for that matter the concept of drama with heroes and villains. What Jon did was all the things you indicate, but if the producers interfered with the game because of it, what they would be doing in my opinion would be far worse. Blame the other survivors if they buy this - it is their own fault, and credit Jon for being smart enough for being smarter than them. He has broken no rules of the game. |
Niceguy | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 10:26 am     Its going to be one helluva reunion show, that's all I can say. Jon might have to sit sequestered from the others. |
Csnog | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 10:39 am     Not me, Tj was the target all along. It was not a coincidence that Sandra woke Tj up to go listen to a conversation between Burton and Jon in the bushes. This was not the first time. Sandra did it on purpose. We were not shown that much conspiring because of Jons lie. How else would Lil and Christa have known who to vote for. What can I say about Jon. MB has been waiting for someone to go over the top and now he has found one. Remember the motto. Outwit. We may not like what he's done and I don't think it will benefit him. I was sorry the others lost the opportunity for a visit from their loved ones. No future contestant will be able to use this. That's the good thing. |
Immunity_Man | Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:20 am     Sean, I guess you're right. He did what he had to do to stay in the game, BUT I still think he went beyond borders by having an outsider come in and plot and plan this BIG lie. I think everything should be kept within the context of the game. Sure lie all you want to your tribemates, but bringing in a loved one to help you along seems really unfair. What I'm saying is that he had outside help to get further along in the game and that changes the whole nature of this contest. |
Pascalle | Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:35 am     To anyone left "speachless". Speachless is when someone murders in cold blood. Speachless is when someone abuses a child. Speachless is when someone stands in a schoolyard and sells drugs to little children. Speachless is not, nor ever will be a contestant's behavior on Survivor. |
Twinkie | Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:05 am     I was not "speechless". I never expected much from someone with Jon's lack of integrity. He's not smarter than anyone else. He just has no morals and no conscience. <NK> |
Kmjm | Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:10 am     Actually, I knew that Jon was lying from the start and I'm astonished that the others didn't. Who in their right mind would have as their loved one their buddy or GRANNY? I mean, really, for a competition halfway around the world? Especially a sick granny who was on the verge of death? All I can say is that they must all be so stressed they're not thinking straight! Don't be surprised if one of them finally figures it out. |
Auntiemike | Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:16 am     Twinkie: I totally agree - both on the spelling lesson (an ex-teacher here!) <>. I'm sure he is saying he does it all for "entertainment"! Oh well. |
Twinkie | Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:51 am     Thanks, Auntiemike! A frustrated wannabe teacher here! <Twinkie - namecalling is not allowed here, no matter how accurate it may be. NK> |
Kep421 | Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:55 pm     Terry...no...they don't get to know what's going on until the final show. (BB4 jury members got to view some taped footage before voting) The jury members vote on the last filmed show and the votes are kept secret until the live finale. So even as the survivors learn what really happened, its too late, they've already cast the winner... |
Stilllurking | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 07:09 am     I am curious about the way Jon played out his lie. Weren't the contestants told prior to arrival that no letters would be given to them concerning the outside world. I believe I remember an interview with Jenna, where she spoke to this issue. I believe she said their immediate families were given a number to call in case of a death or terrible illness. She said her mother encouraged her to go to Survivor and if there was a drastic change in her illness they would be able to get word to her quickly enough. And this is why she felt comfortable going. It would only make sense to me that these contestants were given the same information. Why would there be a letter sent versus a phone call? And why would Jon have his sick Grandmother on his list of people to fly to Panama for the family reward challenge? Could the remaining Survivors be so naive to really have bought this? On The Early Show this morning, T said she did not know until Wednesday night what the lie was but she figured from previews that it had to do with Jon. If that is truly the case, they must have all felt like idiots on Wednesday night, especially Lil, who jumped all over Sandra. Still Curious, but at least my rant is over. LOL |
Debbied | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 09:21 am     Tried to post a minute ago, but got a "locked" message, so I hope this doesn't end up a double post. Did anyone else see the look on Jon's face when JP brought up the topic of grandma at tribal council? He thought he was going to be ratted on. It was hilarious. |
Llkoolaid | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 09:35 am     I did Debbied, and it was. What Jon did was horrible but it was brilliant and he was thinking way ahead of the game, he had this set up the night before he left. I love it that he fooled them so darn well but the way he did it is something I couldn't do, karma and all. His actions are detestable but boy is he playing this game and that is what I watch it for. Nice guys usually finish last in this game, this game is not about survival of the elements and their physical situation as much as it is about survival in the mental war that has to be played. Jon is more willing to play with dirty weapons than most people, he is playing to win. I think he left his morals on the ship when he jumped over the side, hopefully he will pick them back up when he goes home. |
Jami | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 10:51 am     Seeing how he hemed and hawed when JP asked at TC I can't imagine him doing very well keeping the pretense up. But he must have, since JP said they wouldn't know until the show aired. I wonder if the others questioned him. You would think they would. |
Kep421 | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 11:32 am     Removable morals...what a handy thing to have. |
Denecee | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 01:53 pm     I wasn't speechless at Jon's lying. I knew he had it in him. I was pi$$ed at him though. Of course it's not like he killed someone(that we know of) or that he sold drugs(that we know of) but we are watching the show and we are going to react at how the surviviors behave. There is no defending him. |
Chy | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 03:33 pm     I saw T this morning, too. Jami, according to what T said in that interview, none of them had a clue. But she was snuffed out pretty much the day after that. So, in the first (24+)hours at the least, no one wanted to be seen as "low" to even have doubts about Jon's being low. It was interesting to hear Harry's lament' which is also ours PP)Why is Jon still there? Don't you all know that he doesn't deserve to be there? Shouldn't Jon have been gone since the first few TC??? I believe Harry really enjoy the show, not just doing his homewrok. |
Toolhound | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 03:41 pm     I was not suprised that Jon lied but I was suprised to find out he had a boyfriend. |
Twiggyish | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 04:42 pm     Toolhound..LOL That's the quote of the day! Csnog, I found that interesting, too. Sandra initiated Ti's distrust of the others by bringing her to spy. Why wasn't Sandra ousted? It was deliberate in my opinion. I still think it was very low of Jon to pull this stunt. |
Texasdeb | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 04:51 pm     You can't rewrite the rules in the middle of the game. MB's hands are tied on that one. They can change the rules before the next filming starts (won't effect All Stars though). Jon's stratagy is playing a sleazy game & even though he gains little or no respect for his game, it's working. |
Csnog | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 04:57 pm     Sandra wasn't ousted because she and Jon have an alliance that we have not been shown yet. Taking Tj to listen to a made up conversation between Burton and Jon was deliberate. The entire thing was done to convince Tj to vote for Burton while they voted for Tj. I would guess that Darrah is the next target but she wins IC. |
Texasdeb | Monday, December 01, 2003 - 05:18 pm     Csnog - you have an angle I haven't even considered. It does make since though. We are only shown the edited version & alot of stuff could be going on that MB chooses to not let us in on yet. Where's the live feeds when you really need them? I'm OK with what you've suggested. Tell me what you think about Burton & Jon's alliance - is Jon just leading Bur on to believe they have one? |