Archive through November 02, 2003
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Archive through November 02, 2003
Woodpecke® | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 11:40 am     I don't see that at all, Lumbele. He's just a creepy bully. |
Llkoolaid | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 12:20 pm     I loved it, I don't love Rupert because he is a sweetheart I love him because of his rough edges. Sure Jon can vote whatever way he wants and sure he can back stab and manipulate, that is what makes the game interesting and Rupert going off on Jon was just HIS honest reaction. It is a game and if Rupert screaming at Jon is his way of intimidating him, I say go for it. It may prove to have been stupid but I think the rest of the tribe loved it. I don't care what these people do as long as they entertain me, that is why Danielle is still my favorite BB player. |
Pamy | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 12:55 pm     I like Rupert but that outburst shocked me, it even made me feel sorry for Jon. Even worse it made me respect Jon for standing there and taking it and not going off like we have seen him do with Shawn. I wonder if this was the scene JP talked about ,something like we would want to pick him up..I can't remember the quote.... |
Catfat | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 02:33 pm     I agree Lumbele. I think Rupert is playing the part of a pirate and doing a darn good job of it. |
Sia | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:10 pm     I think Rupert's used to using his size and voice to intimidate others, and it's okay by me. I'm a very big Rupert fan. You can't say that Jon hasn't been loud, obnoxious and yelling in other people's faces, either. He has done this, but he just backed down from Rupert because Rupert's bigger and scarier. |
Sunshyne4u | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 03:13 pm     There is no doubt the producers are instigating much with the contestants...(we already knew that!) Rupert is their favourite, he gets tons of airtime, he does lots of private talks infront of the camera, the scenes are often spun to make it look like he is "pirate-like". NO doubt there is prompting. IMHO Lumbele,Catfat you are both correct. ** I would like to put in my 2 cents worth, Allietex. Your quote" Why is there so much outrage about Rupert's outburst at Jon and very little at Shawn doing the same thing?" * It wasnt the same thing at all. Jon started an argument with Shawn....stayed sitting while yelling insults. Shawn came up to him and TOLD him to quit saying those things. THERE WAS NO THREAT OF VIOLENCE NOR PHYSICAL CONTACT MADE, if I recall correctly. Rupert made physical contact grabbing Jon by the back of the neck as he was walking away, to FORCE Jon back to face him. This was unacceptable behaviour by law. Outside the game, It is assault. |
Woodpecke® | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 08:19 pm     "I think Rupert's used to using his size and voice to intimidate others, and it's okay by me. I'm a very big Rupert fan." I'll tell you this. If I were playing that game and Rupert jumped in my face, in the dark after an eviction vote, Rupert would be picking teeth off the ground while I crammed his face into some old fish heads he left on the beach. |
Sia | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 09:41 pm     Woodpecker, you could punch Rupert in the mouth if he yelled at you, and I wouldn't hold that against you. These people are operating with very few solid rules and are using any means at their disposal to survive in the game. They can lie to one another, make outlandish promises, plot against one another, help each other, form alliances, sabotage one another, etc. --anything goes so long as they get to stay another round. I think it's okay for Rupert to intimidate little Johnny Fairplay. I think Jon's a puke and I'm not a fan of his at all. I think Jon's done more to create tension, dissension, and discord among the tribe than Rupert has. Jon is not a team-player, he's not someone who is willing to work hard for the good of the group, and he's an instigator who stirs trouble by talking about tribemates behind their backs. I don't like Johnny Fairplay, plain and simple, and I don't have to like him. And you don't have to like Rupert. |
Sia | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 09:43 pm     By the way, Woodpecker, it sounds in your last post like you would ambush Rupert in the dark in a most unfair way, bashing his teeth in before he could get a chance to defend himself. That doesn't sound sporting at all. Hey, are you sure YOU'RE not Jon?  |
Llkoolaid | Saturday, November 01, 2003 - 10:14 pm     I should explain although I love Rupert I wouldn't take his dominance or crap and I agree with Jon trying to get rid of him before the merge, smart play if it had of worked. But as long as I am just watching it I say the more turmoil the better for me the viewer. I love the fighting and back stabbing, that is what I watch it for, I find it entertaining to see how long before the bad comes out in them. The person I like to see win is the best manipulator, not the strongest or the nicest or the meanest but the player that gets control and runs the game and as much as I dislike Jon if he manages to turn this thing around with the outcasts and forms an alliance I would be happy to see him win. The under the radar people are my least favorite players. |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 08:21 am     There was nothing in my post concerning an ambush by me. Rupert threatened Jon and demanded answers. Rupert forgot this was a game. Sia, Rupert knew Jon would be frightened by his size. That's why he resorted to the "bully" tactic, in the dark, alone with Jon. He knew he could get away with it. It sounds to me like you admire men who use their brawn to intimidate wimps. Not very sporting at all. I think Jon is an odd goof, but he still doesn't need that bearded bozo in his face while he's trying to play a game. I'm an upfront guy. I'd have jumped back in Rupert's face and forced him to back down. Rupert's behavior was totally unacceptable. |
Maris | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 08:58 am     the other thing about Ruperts tirade was that it was totally deliberate and meant to scare and intimidate his entire tribe. He knew exactly who voted him out because Christa and Sandra had told him about Trish's plan. He didnt need to scream who the F voted for me, he knew who did it. He just wanted to give a message to the women as well not to screw with him because he would give them the same treatment. He was in control the entire time and that bothers me more than the idea that he might have been over emotional. He made a calculating decision to go postal. I was a big Rupert fan but threatening your tribe mates doesnt cut it in my book. If I was on his tribe, I would keep my mouth shut till the merge but he would be the first on my list to vote out. It was a bad move on his part and strategically I think it will cost him the game. Do we know what the big lie is yet? I am betting that the big lie is about Rupert and who he really is. |
Bcandscott | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 09:50 am     You know, everyone seems to forget that we saw ONLY what the producers wanted us to see. I know that in watching the extra clips on Yahoo Platinum, we see Rupert and Jon reach an understanding, shake hands, and Jon doesn't seem terrified in the least. We also do not know what happened before the scene we saw on the show took place. Rupert may have been talking calmly to Jon and Jon may have said something, as he did so often with Shawn, that was over the top and caused Rupert to lash out. Maybe Jon tried to allude to Christa or Sandra voting for Rupert pretending he did not and Rupert knew that this was a lie designed to hurt one of the women. We just don't know. Again, I didn't see this as anything more that a big loud guy and another guy that he knows better than we do, going off at one another. Who knows how many times that has happened. Who knows how much worse Jon's fights with Shawn may have been but not shown. Nobody is perfect, but the number of people wanting to positively crucify Rupert for this "terrible display" seems to be about the same number who just don't like him anyway. I didn't find it all that offensive. I didn't see it as grossly intimidating or threatening. It's certainly not something that is set out in black and white terms because we do NOT have all of the context of the situation. |
Maris | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 10:27 am     Not true Bcandscott, from first week of Survivor I said Rupert was the all time best survivor participant ever. I am not out to crucify him. All I am saying is if I was on his tribe I would have him on my sights for eviction. I think his outburst was over the top and a bad strategic move. |
Woodpecke® | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 10:44 am     I'm with Maris on this one. Rupert's ego is completely out of control. He was my favorite, and since he lives about 25 miles from me in Indianapolis, the local rooting angle was a strong factor for me. By the way, I've seen chinks in his personality in the last couple of shows before the outburst. No one is "crucifying" Rupert. |
Bcandscott | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 11:06 am     Woodpecker, we must be neighbors...I'm east of Indy...about an hour and half's drive on 70. Sorry, I did not mean to imply that only people who don't like Rupert have taken this position about the "incident" merely that there are people who like him and people who don't and there are people in both those groups who have changed their minds along the way. I didn't see the outburst as that horrific and again, watching the clips of him talking to Jon afterward, I think most of the Drakes would be astonished that we were horrified by this "incident". I do think there ARE some people out there with hammer and nails, but that doesn't mean everyone. I appreciate your position on this with regard to strategy. I knew Rupert would probably be in trouble before long when I decided he was my favorite....hahah. I seem to always pick the wrong person to win. I'm really still in recovery from this year's BB and probably won't be right in the head for a long time. I keep envisioning people lining up to do something to Ali's uh....well, backside....and I can't even say it here....haha. I still hope the big guy wins, but that hope is probably his doom. |
Maris | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 11:45 am     You think you always pick the losers? I just keep going down every week in deadpool. If you want to know who will not be evicted, just check to see who I pick for eviction and trust me they are staying. As far as Rupert is concerned, I really believe he made a bad strategic move and he is going to be toast after the merger. Now the question is who will be the one to set up his demise? My money is on Sandra going after Rupert. |
Lorry | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:07 pm     I'm of the same mind as BC. We have no idea what the real story is. Wish we did. I would happily pay for those Live Feeds. I think everyone has made some very good points. It's all a matter of interpretation. I'm just thrilled the players are diverse enough and interesting enough that we can have these kind of civil debates. This board makes the show so much better to watch. |
Sunshyne4u | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:14 pm     I would love for you guys to explain this to me. Why are many of you describing this incident as an "outburst" by Rupert when he PHYSICALLY made contact with Jon. Also, I would love an explanation of why the contact and screaming was 'okay' because of the fake seeming HUG at the end of the confrontation?? ** An outburst to me is a VERBAL blurting of feelings or emotions. An assault is grabbing someone by the back of the neck in order to force them to turn to face you, so you can confront them further. |
Lorry | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:30 pm     As I stated, it's all a matter of perspective. We just have to accept that some of us don't share the same perspective. That's ok. And it might not be explainable. Sunshyne stated: ((I would love for you guys to explain this to me. Why are many of you describing this incident as an "outburst" by Rupert when he PHYSICALLY made contact with Jon.)) It's all perspective. I don't think an outburst is limited to non-physical displays. I might be wrong, but that's my perception. ((Also, I would love an explanation of why the contact and screaming was 'okay' because of the fake seeming HUG at the end of the confrontation??)) You perceived what you termed as a "fake seeming HUG", whereas I perceived the same incident as one man venting his frustration at the actions of another man, ending with a sigh of relief to have gotten it out in the open and out of his mind... and then a non-verbal asking for forgiveness for the outburst. I felt that both men appeared relieved it had been dealt with, both realized the pressure they had been under, and both were glad it was now over. See, it's all perception and interpretation. I might be wrong.. you might be wrong.. that's the best part of watching Survivor Pearl Islands.. there is so much to talk about, and so many diverse opinions to read. |
Hukdonreality | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 12:32 pm     I used to place Rupert #1 on my list...although I was glad to watch Jon squirm, I think that yelling and carrying on like a maniac just bought him a ticket out of there. And once Rupert put his hands on Jon, I think he should have been planked. Whether or not there are official rules about that, as an "adult," Rupert should have known better. Regardless of Jon acting fine afterwards, Rupert planted a seed with Jon and the others that he could get physical. The tribe is NOT his... >putting out my torch< Lori has spoken  |
Enigma2 | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 01:03 pm     Some people just internalize their anger. They do not give anger an oulet. They let anger fester and grow until it gets out of control. My opinion is that this is dangerous. (At it's worst, it's the cause of much of the unexplainable behavior we find in the 'news' –I'm thinking of that guy who was shooting at his lawyer around a tree the other day...) On the other hand, some people (Rupert included) seem to have a healthier way of dealing with anger. Just spit it out. And by doing so, the anger is –most frequently– gone. If the anger is directed at a specific person, the act of expressing it, ends it. You can return to whatever relationship you had with that person, before the anger began –if that person allows it. (I handle anger this way, so I'm pre-disposed with a sympathy for Rupert's behavior.) (On the other hand, the experience of watching Rupert 'vent' is rather scarey.) (But it also explains the hug at the end. The anger is gone.) Doctor Phil and I are always available. (Sometimes I contribute here, and have a real laugh at how pompous I can be.) |
Maris | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 01:45 pm     Where I disagree with that Enigma is I dont think Rupert was angry at all. I think it was entirely planned as a way to intimidate and threaten his tribe. He is way too much in control of every little thing he does on that island but I think he made a huge strategic mistake. He may just have ended up causing his tribe to think time to send the pirate overboard. I just dont believe he lost control at all. He was acting a part and I think it was a big mistake. |
Bcandscott | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 02:09 pm     I'm not talking about JUST a hug at the end of the confrontation as seen on the show. There is a clip somewhere showing the two of them talking more reasonably for quite some time ending with them shaking hands and forgiving one another. I got the feeling (and yes, I am a Rupert fan) that the "contact" during the confrontation was not nearly as aggressive as it seemed to some people. Rather, I got the feeling that these two, two men who KNOW one another pretty well, had had contact before and Jon didn't seem particularly intimidated by any of it. Also, we do not know if day to day, physical contact between Rupert and Jon is the norm, in a friendly way. I know men who punch, grab around the neck and do other odd things just to say HELLO. Grant you, that isn't typical of the three piece suit set, but I wouldn't find it out of the norm for wrestlers or construction workers or professional athletes. I don't think Rupert lost control either, but I don't think that meant he was acting a part to manipulate those around him. I've known people like Rupert and he seemed to me (and I'm biased, I know it) to just be doing what came naturally to him, venting his anger, dealing with it, and allowing Jon to discuss it with him until they resolved everything. NOTE: After what some people are seeing as a horrible physical attack spurred on by rage (not Maris who thinks it was a ploy, but others) Rupert didn't vote Jon off the island. If Maris is right and it was strategic, it didn't work on US, but it might have worked on his tribe mates, especially when you realize we did not see what preceded the outburst. Jon has a knack for making others go off (remember Shawn and the ***hole stuff) and the others may have been thinking "thank goodness Rupert is letting him have it!" It will be interesting to watch it play out. I realize my views on Rupert are shaped in part by my affection for the big lug, and maybe I'm giving him leeway I shouldn't but it's just as easy to go completely off the deep end the other direction and declare him a mad man without having all the information we need. |
Maris | Sunday, November 02, 2003 - 02:30 pm     Think about Rupert's past behavior. When others were making offhanded remarks about him, was it Burton making jokes about the skirt. Remember how mad he was over the fishing rod being lost. He did not lose control at all and he was genuinely angry with good reason. When he is angry he gets very very quiet and he has a very nasty look but he doesnt usually talk. If he does talk it is in a very slow and measured tone. In this case with Jon he was just doing a bluebeard immitation and he was totally in character. I dont think it was a good move but I dont believe he got angry over anyone voting for him. |
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