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Gen

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pagal, I agree with you, he had no choice. That's why I think it was a lie on someone's part.

Curlyq

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they meant when he came back to Drake he would've kept a secret allegiance to Morgan and joined back up with them in the event of a merge.

Csnog

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still don't think the lie has occured. Probably in part 2. If they merge after the re entrance of 2 players there is one more person voted out before jury. They are not allowed to vote a re entered person off so they will have to vote someone off between the 8 of them. 7 if one of them wins IM.

I think someone tells the lie after the merge but before the vote.

Kitt

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gen, I've been wondering about that too. The only big lie I can envision so far is if Rupert is actually holding an alliance with Morgan. I don't see how he can rely on this though - what good would it do Morgan, except maybe sway the power if they merged with Drake with the same number of people. And what good would it do Rupert, he wouldn't be the first of Drake to go, but I doubt the other team would vote off their own before him.

But it would be a very BIG lie if it happened.

Mack

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I'm in "reality overload" with all the "most shocking", "biggest lie", "surprising twist", etc, etc. For the most part, across almost all the reality shows, these have turned out, with few exceptions, to be much todo about nothing. It's been kind of like "you're getting a hot fudge sunday....but...big shock/twist/surprise!!!!.....without sprinkles!" This lie better be "good" after all this!

Fruitbat

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree. I have not gotton the least bit excited over the biggest lie, biggest twist or huge regret. I am jaded.

The biggest regret was Drake throwing the challenge. Had that been billed as such I would have bought it. Osten is happy with his decision, no regrets at all.

Since the lie does not effect the game just how big a deal can it be? pfffffft

Enigma2

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
At this point, I'm just confused. Only thing I can think of saying is that I 'regret' that I 'lied' about the 'twist.'

Kaili

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the lie, while not affecting the game overall, will actually come from a returning player. Or be told to a returning player.

Sbw

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Johnny Fairplay believes he has a great master plan. But will it play out in his favor?"

I wonder if the lies comes from this. This was posted in one of the other threads and came from the CBS Survivor site. The only thing is that I don't see how this could not make a difference in the outcome, unless the "question" at the end means something neutralizes his lies.

Whit4you

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have something to add but don't want to start a new thread...thinking since this has to do with the twist I'll post it here.

The new perfect strategy....?

Take one of these returning to the final 2!!!
They'd get one vote (the other returnee) and that'd be it no matter who they were up against. So folks should be definately doing all they can to keep one of these two in (preferably the one who was out of the game the longest)

Not one of the orignals would give them the win - especially those who'd voted them out orignally and even those who didn't since in THEY the jury members didn't get a 2nd chance and since the outcast had not outlasted, outwitted and outplayed but gotten handed a 2nd chance.

(I said this about Amy as well the smart move would have been to keep her - especially Dani's move.)

Missy2

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 04:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've given up on the twist, the lie, and the regret. Screw it.

Zipsdaddy

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Has anyone discussed how it may be decided which team the two Outcasts get put back into?? We know they will all vote, and two members are back into the game, but how is it decided which team they get back onto? It could be two former Drakes, or two former Morgans, or one of each.....
Hmmmm......

Gen

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zips, the word is that the new buffs are placed in a container and each outcast draws their buff. Which ever one they draw determines which tribe they go to.

Gina8642

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the biggest regret will be Andrew's dissing of the returning person (and his dissing of all the boots for that matter). I think it will cause his boot - I'm guessing tonight.

As far as the lie goes, I don't think we've seen it yet either. JP said in interviews that he didn't know it was a lie until he got back from the show. To me, a lie that wouldn't become apparent until later would have to be about someone's personal life. We haven't heard didley about anyone's lives so far, so there hasn't been anything to lie about. Any lie within the game, Jeff would instantly know about. He's made it clear over and over again in interviews that he is kept closely apprised of the going ons at each camp.

(As a for instance of the personal life lie I'm talking about - we heard all about Jenna's sick mom last year. This was actally TRUE, but imaging if she had been lying about it. It did effect folks choices in the end. So, this is the sort of lie I'm imaginging.

We've been told next to nothing about the other castaways (within the show). Rupert council's kids - but spoilers have confirmed it. Lil is a boyscout troop leader - also confirmed. Jon is a wrestling promoter - I don't know if this one is true - but I also don't see how this one would actually help anyone. Osten was worn out and wanted to quit - confirmed. Anything else?

Csnog

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is the lie from Burtons lips in tonights show?

Burton- Whoever else goes in there, if I'm able to go in, you have my word in front of everyone here, I will never lie to you in this game. NEVER.

Curlyq

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe one of the players is actually extremely wealthy, but is keeping a lid on it.

Personally, I think they're all going to regret keeping Rupert in the game when they could've gotten rid of him today. The way he was actually standing there behind Andrew to intimidate Lil into staying on Drake's side was a bit too much for me. Maybe that'll be Burton's regret. Or maybe Lil will regret voting with the Drakes since they'll undoubtedly vote her off when the other Morgans are gone.

Caycaye

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog...I DO believe the lie is from Burton ....but not the one you just mentioned.

Why haven't we heard anything in a couple of weeks about Burton's mysterious past reality-show appearances? A while back someone showed a picture of Burton on a Eco-Challenge team on CBS that won, I think....but his name was NOT Burton Roberts...it was ____ Burton (last name).

What ever happened to the investigations of his bogus name there or here? What if Burton turns out to be some sort of Olympic athlete, or well-known mountain climber with ALL the survival skills...etc...would that be considered a SHOCKING lie, or going by a different name, and not disclosing your past? Could explain what Jeff meant when he said...some of the contestants would never know the lie until the end, etc...hmmmmm

Azriel

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 08:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Curlyq, I thought Rupert was standing there trying to support Lil not intimidate her. Two people can sure interpret a scene totally differently.

Csnog

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
None of the players will know until it plays out because the others did not re enter the game. Only Lil returned, so he must lie to or about her.

The merged tribe would not know that he said he would never lie to Lil.

Tweety

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There are two threads on this topic, one here and in spoilers. But, Csnog, I think we're on the same wave length!

Two minds think alike or fools seldom differ???

Pannie

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw what Azriel saw. Rupert was standing there supporting Lil and rooting her on. He was affirming that she is not alone and will be protected by Drakettes - just what she needed.

Back to the big regret: it is CBS for bringing in Osten, hahaha.

Tabbyking

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
burton used a double negative when he said, he would 'never never lie'.

Tabbyking

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
pannie, LOLOLOL 'ostentatious!'

Caycaye

Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Azriel and Pannie...I think Rupert was right to make eye contact with Lil and assure her that they were on the same page with her...because Andrew was really pushing HARD, and Lil looked very uncomfortable. Rupert is honest with Lil, and I think earlier, Burton helped to convince Lil to believe in he, Rupert, Sandra and Christa.

Seamonkey

Friday, November 07, 2003 - 12:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh I didn't think Rupert was trying to intimidate Lill, he was just amazed at what Andrew was trying to feed Lill.. as was Lill.

I thought it was a hoot!