Why Lilian??
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Why Lilian??
Gidget | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 09:44 am     Yep, well said Maris. Survivor has a way of cutting the puny from the strong. Sure the eye candy has a small advantage but not generally in the long run, unless they have more to offer. I realize Jenna blows that reasoning all to he11, but I guess the eye candy has to get a break now and then. So why the narrower demographic on BB. I'm over 40. I watch both shows. I also eat Burger King, drive cars and use much of whatever other cr@p they are hawking in advertisements. So why is BB so stingy with the older crowd. Plenty of good looking older people. Of course, if some on this board thought Erika had a saggy butt... well I just give up. |
Maris | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 10:46 am     Gidget I would argue that being in a show such as BB might not be as appealing or challenging to the over 40 crowd. A show like Survivor, tests your stamina your skills and just competing in it is an accomplishment in itself. I would love to do survivor if only to test myself. I have nothing to back up my view but I think the pickins have to be pretty slim in the Big Brother crowd. It seems to me that the majority of those who apply to the show are wannabes. They either want acting careers (nathan, ali, Erika, Marcellas, Lisa), writing careers (Roddy, Jack)or, they want some connection with Hollywood (Robert, Kent, Gerry) While I enjoy watching Big Brother I dont really have much respect for the people that apply for the show. They just want their fifteen minutes of fame and certainly this year, they were the biggest bunch of dullards to hit a reality show in a long time. The Survivor participants seem to be a different type and a lot more driven. Edited to add: I think Osten got on the wrong line this year. He should have been in the big brother house. I think PB&J is the biggest challenge he can handle. |
Enigma2 | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 11:51 am     O.K. Let's push the envelope. How about a celebrity BB or Survivor? Say: Elizabeth Taylor, Debbie Reynolds, Shirley Maclaine, Joan Collins, Angela Lansbury, Joan Rivers, Barbara Walters and Queen Elizabeth II. (I believe that all of these ladies are pushing 70.) (Can't think of a male list). I think I would 'pay' to watch the above in that BB house or on one of the Pearls... |
Needmylifeback | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 11:57 am     Ahhhhm Enigma.....do you remember a show titled..."I'm a celebrity ...Get me out of here?"...LOL! I watched that one too.... A celeb BB would have each and every one of them preening in front of the cameras...LOL! |
Maris | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 12:35 pm     My money would always be on Elizabeth Taylor. She has incredible endurance. |
Enigma2 | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:15 pm     Yes, needmylifeback, you are quite right. (I am not looking forward to the so-called celebrity Survivor. Sometimes, you cannot go-home-again.) But I could not resist the mental image of Shirley Maclaine and Queen Elizabeth gossiping while sharing a bedroom at BigBrother. Or the idea of Elizabeth Talor and Joan Rivers going out to fetch water in a Survivor. |
Sunshyne4u | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 03:49 pm     Topic.....WHY Lil? Sadly, it was inevitable. Every challenge/ competition so far has been almost completely physical. The teams are severely mismatched this year. The contestants were picked ahead of time therefore no one can be blamed...like the year that the two eldest handpicked their teams resulting in a much older team against all the athletes. ** This year the teams are grossly unbalanced. The skinniest most nonathletic guy (skinny Ryan) and the OLDEST most out of shape woman (Lill) were put on the same team. Lil also was 51 YRs old!! The next eldest person is Rupert who at 42 YRs old is a solid strong as an ox type of man. The producers KNEW the order of competitions coming up....why put the smallest men and women plus the eldest all on the same team????? Osten is body builder strong but he is ONE MAN, in comparison Darrah is the most tiny little girl. They may have had a chance if any of the comps were mental....but not this season, all required strength and stamina. * The other team has Rupert, tall strong women, one shorter but strong latino woman, and two really muscular and TALL men (And skinny Rob) * If the teams had been more properly balanced I feel Lil would have had a chance. IMHO |
Maris | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 04:01 pm     I think the next oldest after Lillian was Trish, then Andrew followed by Rupert. Lillian also was probably the strongest swimmer on her team. I think the mismatch on the teams has to do with Ego. The Morganites has a team with very big egos and they put their egos ahead of what is best for the team (andrew/tijuana/Osten). The Drake team is exactly that a team. They work together and are creative. Based on what I saw of the edited show, Lil would have had a better chance if she didnt whine and didnt obsess on her age so much. |
Auntiemike | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 04:03 pm     "Lil also was 51 YRs old!!" I prefer to think of her as 51 YRs Young!! She certainly surrounded herself with youth through the scouting program and could probably keep up with most people. Never assume anything (I can say that because I am 54 and an able bodied parent of a 3 year old! Plus 4 other young children). That's like assuming Osten has strength because he has clearly defined his muscle structure. Strength isn't everything and some other skills can be equally important to the game of survival. For example, skinny Rob wanted to work together, set tribe goals and be more tuned into the needs of the entire tribe. He may be skinny but have a more developed brain! |
Sunshyne4u | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 04:16 pm     MARIS.....yes 44 is Trish's age, but that is still seven long hard years to Lil's age of 51!! I was incorrect. Rupert was not 42...he is 38 And thanks for pointing out what I had missed. ANDREW (small and slight) and LIL(short and out of shape), two of the OLDEST were put on the same team. I appreciate that EGOS may have had something to do with how they react together as a team but the truth of the matter is they are SMALLER and OLDER than the other team. Less strength means Less wins. * AuntieMike, I agee "Strength isn't everything and some other skills can be equally important to the game of survival. " .......but not in THIS season of SURVIVOR. It has all been physical. |
Grooch | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 06:03 pm     In Thailand, didn't the oldest, most out of shape team end up being the winning team? |
Sunshyne4u | Tuesday, October 07, 2003 - 11:22 pm     Many of the comps in Thailand were BRAIN power and dexterity.......not brute force, strength and resilience. Remember all the different PUZZLES that they ended up doing. Some of them were real brain busters if I recall. The older, more experienced, had the overall advantage there, IMHO |
Enigma2 | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 02:19 am     To Maris, Auntiemike and Grooch: I cannot believe that Lill's age (and implied decrepedation) was the reason that Andrew decided to vote her out of Morgan. Her physical dexterity in competitions was certainly superior to most of the Morganites. Physical strength is not directly proportional to age. Lil and Trish (her bio states that –at 41– Trish rock climbs, is an excellent swimmer & has run in 24 marathons) are certainly more of a physical asset then –say– Jon (29) or Ryan S (23) –neither of whom seem to have ever been out-of-doors. |
Maris | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 03:54 am     I agree, I dont think it had to do with age. That is what Lill thought. Lill was the best swimmer they had and a good competitor. My impression from the edited show is that she was a pain in the butt and a whiner. Given the success of previous survivors over the age of 40, I dont think age is much of an issue on this reality show. In fact the older the competitor the more successful they seem to be. |
Meridian | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 04:47 am     Enigma: The Male Team LOL Jack LaLanne, Little Richard, Neil Armstrong, Ralph Nader, Michael Caine, and Andy Rooney. |
Enigma2 | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 05:16 am     Meridian: Perfect!! (thanks, heaps) Maris: Correct me if I'm wrong. But I got the impression that Lill did most of her 'complaining' to the cameras, and not directly to the other Morganites. In fact, my impression was that she specificly avoided anything –perhaps excessively so– that might be considered confrontational when actually speaking to her team-mates?? Also: an analysis of the California elections could be used to explain Lill's departure. |
Maris | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 05:22 am     Not sure about that Enigma since last week Ryan O made a comment about Lill complaining about them not fishing and then she wouldnt wait till they got up to get help. So I gathered that while Lill may not have confronted her teammates, she made them aware of her feelings. |
Sweetpea1994 | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 06:21 am     I think the comment Ryan O. was referring to was during a TC, Jeff was asking them all what they thought the problems are and Lil said they needed to fish more. I agree with Enigma, most of her complaining seemed to be to the camera and not her tribe. As for the tribes being mismatched, Morgan has been fairly close in a number of challenges with the exception of the swimming challenge involving finding the treasure and putting it in the trunk (which by the way Lil did very well in). |
Lorry | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 07:58 am     Don't forget, it's all in the editing. We really have no idea how Lil was on a 24/7 basis... I like to think she was simply voted out because she was not part of the Morgan "in crowd", but that is just my opinion, based on very weak evidence. Both opinions hold merit. I did see her on the Letterman Show, and she was IMO, a tad dramatic and somewhat gabby. However, you really can't judge her by that appearance, IMO, because she was "on stage" and "out of her element"... and Dave can be a little overwhelming just because of who he is... and his dry humour. |
Gidget | Wednesday, October 08, 2003 - 10:40 am     Maris, regarding BB, it is true the show is mostly wannabies. But a 3 month vacation from real life does not sound all that bad to me. Not that my life is horrible, but could you just imagine catching up on that much sleep? And BB SHOULD be more challenging. More's the pity that it has sunk to such a low. Maybe a little more diversity would spice it up. Like if the token old person had a least one contemporary to team up with. I heard Lil on the radio this morning. She is sweet and that is the image she is sticking to. |
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