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Sheilaree

Tuesday, November 25, 2003 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He is acting like a jerk and should be off the show. He needs to groupup

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have 3 grandsons: 12,11,3. NONE of my fine boys would ever say I was dead. The very thought of my being gone would probably be too painfull to ever make a punn at. I know my own relationship to my grandparents was a cherished one. As I lost eash one, I morned & tried to recollect what that person had given me to make me the person I am. It was never a material loss! Jon seems to have no respect for his elders! If I were his Mom, I would be so mortified. But hey, maybe his whole family is like him. GOD FORBID!

Maris

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe his grandmother was in on the joke.

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Maybe his grandmother was in on the joke." - Makes for one sick family!

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 12:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok folks, while Jon has done something that many consider way over the line and a bit sick, I need to ask folks to not post that they want to kill him, string him up, etc. No violence against others please.

Also, a reminder of no name calling. We can address actions all we want (someone can make a dumb mistake) but out of that we can't know they are dumb. That is a judgment about the person, not their actions. Attack the behavior, not the person.

thanks

Queenofnorway

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see how the producer's can ignore a lie like the grandmother lie. It not only changed the game, but also made the other contestants miserable for one night - sleeping on the beach without food or shelter ( although there is no film that shows how they spent that night.) Jon is not playing the game well- he is not playing life well either. Could there be anthing about him that is socially or morally redemptive? I don't think so.

Maris

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a million bucks might redeem Jon in some peoples eyes.

Tntitanfan

Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This was the first time that I can remember - and we know what a feeble reed my "rememberer" is - that generosity by a group has not been rewarded. Was that a nudge by the producers that they hadn't done a "good thing?"

Cpmfinster

Monday, December 01, 2003 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the whole Jon/Lie thing is between him and Granny Fairplay.

Denecee

Monday, December 01, 2003 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing about Jon's lie is he was playing with people's emotions. Not just the other survivior's but the viewers. Some of us have lost our grandmother(this past summer)and know how it feels. I hope he does regret telling that lie, if not I don't know how anyone could defend him.

Kep421

Monday, December 01, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sadly Maris...that is very true.

Okiekerriella

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 04:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When I watched the show for the first time by myself I didn't have a problem with it. After all this is a game and I have seen survivors do far worse to get an advantage.

But then my daughter came home, who is only 10, and we watched it together since she missed seeing it the first time around. When I looked over and saw her crying I was a bit surprised.

At the commercial I asked her why she was crying and she said that even though she didn't like Jon she knew what it was like to lose a grama since she had lost hers only a year ago.

When she saw it was all a lie she felt REALLY upset that he would lie about such a thing.

So I guess it was my daughter that made me see just how cruel his lie really was.

Kep421

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 05:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I had taped the show for a friend, who was out of town last week. Last night I watched it with him again.

The first time I watched, I was so busy watching Jon and his buddy (because I knew it was a lie) and how they were acting that I totally missed the real pain that was felt by the other contestants. Last night, I focused my attention on the others.

I noticed Sandra was the only one who was a bit skeptical. You could see she didn't want to say anything just in case it was true, but her face indicated she thought it was a scam. The others genuinely felt pain and sorrow for Jon. It was very uncomfortable to watch knowing that Jon and his buddy would soon be gloating over how they had scammed the survivors.

One other thing, Jon said that whomever threw out the fish PURPOSEFULLY hurt the tribe and that wasn't cool....I guess he reserves that privledge for himself only.

Denecee

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's the way it usually goes. Jon does to others what he wouldn't want done to him. <el>

Shelb724

Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
my daughter was also very upset with jon and his lie. she also lost her bubbie (grandmother) 2 years ago and i think it hit really close to home. all she could say was that she would never lie about bubbie dying before she died (or got sick) because then it would come true. i am not real happy with him either--he was just playing the game before, but making a lie about his grandmother was too much.

Denecee

Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
sorry Jon, I am with the majority.

Denecee

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just have to post here again. Jon has lasted this long but not without saying demeaning things about the women. Last night, he was going on about how dumb the women were. I just can't give him any respect.
I laughed so hard when Burton picked him to join in the reward(big surprise-not!), Jon ran up and jumped in Burton's arms.lolololol Totally reminded me of how you would hold a toddler on your hip. So thanks for the laugh!

Lancecrossfire

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon has shown little respect for anyone pretty much the entire time. It will be interesting to see the reunion show. Something that I wonder about--while it seems being a liar is part of the game, Jon has taken it past just game issues. He seems to lie about everything. I wonder if anyone will believe anything he has to say.

I am pretty sure if I hear anything from him, I'm not going to give it any potential for being true. He has done too well at it in the game for it to be a new practice.

Auntiemike

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jon is so aware of what he is doing. He has obviously planned ahead for much of his persona and lies. It is a role he has perfected and is totally comfortable with. I also think, that if he is called on the carpet about it, he will confess it as being obnoxious and bad but say "that's the way I wanted to play" the game. He can accept the consequences of his actions because he is so deliberate; he has to be prepared for any reaction - be it positive or negative. I think that is his world...the world he has chosen to live in.

Cassie

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He just repulses me so. Who could stand this guy <el>?

Denecee

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Jon is just being a clever villian. His comments to the camera suggest that he really thinks he is smarter than most women. This offends me but I'm not losing any sleep over it. LOL

Lori

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you Cassie...Jon grates on my nerves!

Texasdeb

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the real world, if I crossed paths with a <el> (such as we've seen Jon be on this show), I would avoid them like the plague! I want him in F2 with Sandra so she can take him down 6 to 1 (everyone knows Burton won't give a woman a vote because any man MUST be more deserving than a 2nd rate woman ---HA).

Allietex

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have met people like Jon, both male and female that think so highly of themselves that they just turn me off. There is a man in our town who thought he was God's gift to women. He was very good looking and relatively well off for a small town, but many of the women I knew laughed about him behind his back because he was so full of himself. Jon reminds me of this guy.

Kappy

Friday, December 12, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Best line of the night . . . "Jon, you're about 6 inches too short!"

I could just see every ex-girlfriend watching agreeing with that one . . tee hee