Sandra & Jon's Argument
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Lorry

Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm curious as to what you all may be thinking about the argument between Sandra & Jon.

I kind of think Sandra was a tad quick to jump in his face... sort of like she has been really really frustrated with him, or annoyed to the point that she was a little dramatic... maybe even looking for a fight with him. (Not that I blame her.. hehe... but....

Do you think it will go against her?

Trinity63

Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No not really because they all hate Jon. I think they got a taste of what she is like when she's pushed. He's a turd plain and simple. Don't you think?

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i really liked sandra the first episode, but the last 2 she has gotten on my last nerve. i liked her 'take charge' attitude in town, but now i just find her aggressive in a not-great way. and i really think she wins this whole thing...and i so wanted to actually like the winner of just one reality show!

Lorry

Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 10:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Trinity: I sure do agree he is a huge pile of poopy the way he is acting... and did you get the impression that HE thinks he can control when Sandra will be booted? Duh??? I was under the impression none of the others much cared for him either... or am I mistaken???

Tabbyking: She sort of got on my nerves also this last episode... I like her... but I am getting bad vibes from her. Hope I am wrong, and I hope you are wrong about her winning... although I don't see them keeping Rupert after the merge. He was my pick for winner... but I think he's so strong a player, he doesn't stand a chance unless he lays low....

Hermione69

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 04:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe because I didn't watch the first episode, I don't dislike Jon at all. In fact, I find him kind of amusing. He must have been pretty obnoxious in episode 1! Too bad I missed it.

I thought that Sandra was very quick to jump on him, but what was more interesting to me were the dynamics later. For one, he was the one that ended up sitting out that challenge and he did it very good-naturedly, I thought. Did they show how it came to be decided that it would be him? I had a friend over at the time and was a bit distracted through parts of the show and I saw no conclusion to the fight. I wondered if he ended volunteering to sit out the challenge as a way to apologize. I can see him being the type that cannot come out and say, "I'm sorry" but would instead make a gesture of some sort.

The other thing I found interesting is there was one scene after the fight where he was looking at something (tree mail? the map?) and Sandra was the one beside him peering at it also. Her body language was NOT that of someone uncomfortable with the person she was near. We are not getting a lot of Drake's story yet because they keep winning so we don't have a good grasp of the how their group is really working and how they really feel about each other. For all we know, Jon could be better liked than Rupert. The friend that I had over last night, who does not watch Survivor, pointed out Rupert to me and said, "I get the sense that he likes to be alone." I thought that was intersting. If this is true, it may not bode well for Rupert. We all know alliances are crucial to the game and loners don't tend to fare well in the long run.

Just some observations. I am enjoying this season, but I am still pretty detached because I haven't gravitated towards any true favorites or found anyone that I "love to hate." I think that came from missing that crucial first episode. *Sigh*

Oh well, at least that is making me more objective for now. I don't tend to be a very objective viewer of Survivor, LOL! This is a new experience for me!

Carrie92

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 05:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know. I think I might have reacted the same way Sandra did. I don't like being yelled at, especially over something stupid. I have been know to yell back louder, things like "OH ARE WE YELLING NOW?" or "WHAT? I COULDN'T HEAR YOU!"
Yes, she has an attitude, but so far I like it.

Kaili

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 06:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione (*hopping up and down and waving* Hi there!!!!!), at the challenge they were sitting in the boat when Jeff asked who was going to sit out. They showed a second where it seemed like a stand-off in the boat between the two of them, then Jon volunteered.

I didn't notice about the body language between him and Sandra, but I agree we don't know even a little bit of the story with them. Michelle and Trish have barely spoken (then again, neither has Darrah...) and we have no idea who has bonded with who.

Ya know, I just realized/remembered the actual subject of this thread! LOL I think there was a lot more to that fight- it was obviously edited to cut a lot of what happened out (i think). It even seemed choppy. I don't think she blew up that fast- there had to be more to it and we have no idea what. I like her, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and thinking who knows what he said leading up to that point.

Csnog

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 07:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mark and Jeff edit to give us little clues. I bet Sandra goes a looooooong way and Jon is first boot. The first night on the island a lot of drinking went on and Jon got drunk and made an A$$ out of himself.

Rupert has made it clear that he is with the females on his tribe. He is close to them and is an observer of people more than a get in your face player. Rupert will make the merge and if he keeps the females on his side will watch as the other alpha males eat each other off the island.

Mark and Jeff know they have a gem in Rupert and are playing him up big time.

The big worry I have is the switch. I don't want to see Rupert go to the other team and the switch may happen next week.

Reader234

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
HI Hermione!!! I agree csnog!! I was reading a post on Survivor Sucks on the Platinum Yahoo here is the part on the fight:

JON EXPLAINS THE FIGHT
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You watched feisty Sandra and Jon battle it out at Drake camp. Go back inside the tribe as Jon explains his frustrations with Sandra.

Markopolo's note: Jon actually sounds normal and intelligent until he starts to call Sandra "stupid" and "an idiot". Also note that we saw foreshadowing of this fight over swimming because of the INSIDER!

<<<<<<FLASHBACK TO MARKOPOLO'S INSIDER TRANSCRIPTS FOR EPISODE 1

SANDRA ON JON: Jon to me appears to be very shady; he appears to be out for his own good, which I can't blame him because everybody out here is out for themselves. I am too. I'm not going to deny it. I'm not going to sit up here and lie. It's in my best interest to maybe make him my buddy for now. But when it's all said and done, I really can't stand him. He talks too much crap. All night long, cursing. Talking about stupid stuff. Everything sexual. I guess he used to make porno movies or whatever. I don't know what the deal is. He always has something cute to say. Well, he always has something that he thinks is cute. But, it isn't. It gets old. It's already old.

Jon is NOT attractive at all. (laughs). I actually put my hands around his ankles. They're this big (makes a small hole with her fist). He's really skinny. He’s smaller than me!

When we jumped off the boats. I can't believe I jumped because I drank so much water it was ridiculous. I had a stomach full of water.

But he was way behind. And even when I lost my buff and I went back looking for it, he was sitting on a rock, putting on his shoes. And then he tried to take charge. For what? You haven't a clue!

<<<<<END FLASHBACK>>>>>


Jon (confessional): We're heading into a reward challenge, and we have an immunity challenge after that I'm sure either tomorrow or the day after. So we have to think about who were going to sit out in challenges, because we are getting an advantage over the Morgan Tribe. And we have to sit out two people this challenge and two people next challenge. So, it only makes sense if it is a physical challenge, to take out two of your weaker people physically. Or if it's a mental challenge, take out two of your physical people.

If it happens to be a swimming challenge, Sandra's not the best swimmer in the world. You know. She'll usually admit that. So today, she decided to not be picked on as the worst swimmer even though it is the case, and kind of singled me out for not getting from the boat to the shore on Day 1 the quickest. I had Michelle’s glasses in my socks, in one sock, and my favorite hat in the other sock. I couldn't use my legs to kick to swim from the boat to the shore because I didn’t want to lose either one of them. I didn't know how much Michelle depended on her glasses. And I know if I did, without them, I would be pretty freaking miserable on this island.

So I paddled with just my arms. She said she beat me to the shore. So my argument is: If that's the case, how much did you beat me by, using your arms and your legs, and me just using my arms.

She's not that good of a swimmer.

CUT

I just hate ignorance, man! Ignorance is the worst thing in the world, and I can't deal with ignorance. Usually, if you're that freaking stupid, you just sit there and shut up and let smart people think for you. She's too stupid to even let that happen.

CUT

She's yelling to me that she is not the worst swimmer and everything else. I mean the girl can't even get to the boat without someone helping her. I mean the girl can't swim! So you know she tried to point out the fact that when there was some swimming earlier, you weren't the one jumping up to do it. And I was like, "yeah, cuz I know for a fact that some of the guys are stronger swimmers than me."

It's brains over brawn. If you know someone who is better than you at doing something, why should you say, "Hey, I don't want to feel left out?" No.

You're an idiot. And I'm not an idiot.

Does that make it perfectly clear?? (clear as mud!! lol!!)

Djgirl5235

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure, sure Hermi, rub it in!!! I had to wait for payday before I could send you the tape - it's coming, I promise!!!! I'm sending it on Monday!!!

Love ya!
Deej

Niceguy

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon's outta there. The dynamic duo(Shawn and Burton)I think want him out as well. Jon just talks too much smack and he's not as smooth as Brian. Or Rob for that matter. Or the Robbfather from back in the day.

Lori

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really just hate that "in your face yelling and arguing". I don't care who is doing it...it just makes me cringe. I realize that they all are probably quite testy but geez...get a grip!

Twiggyish

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jon and Sandra are both emotional. They rub each other the wrong way. I'd say they both are to blame.

Pannie

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Reader for bringing us more behind the scenes dirt.

I think that Sandra felt Jon was attempting to establish a pecking order -> "I am better than you". Since Jonny Fairplay is such a loser, Sandra, rightfully so, fought for her position. Since it was such a public forum, I think it amused their mates and showed them that Sandra is the tougher cookie than the thin man.

And Hermione, since you missed Ep #1, think teenage drunken braggadocio. He seems a bit delusional to me ("final 4", hahahaha).

Needmylifeback

Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, and that "Million" he has that is guaranteeing Sandra will not be the last one standing.....

I really think that they showed that clip for a reason.....(La...La....La...Deee....Daaaaah) I wonder if he'll have to eat his words....

Enigma2

Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Reader234: Thanks for the information.

Being of weird thinking processes, I had been wondering how Michelle had safely gotten her eyeglasses to shore –and now I know...

And it was nice to know that Jon was concerned about his responsiblity of protecting Michelle's glasses. (It's comforting to hear something nice about someone who I have totally disliked.)

Needmylifeback

Saturday, October 04, 2003 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That was a good way to get the glasses to shore...but, wouldn't it have been better to stick them in his sock and then tie a knot in the sock and put the sock either in his hand or in the little boat in the bag with the shoes...? (With a wet sock streatching..it could have slipped off as well...)

(Also if you watch the tape of the dive for treasure challenge where they are bringing the chest to shore...Jon is way behind the others...so I don't think he's a good swimmer either...I know that Sandra sat that one out...but, I don't think Jon's that much better if that...)

Earthmother

Monday, October 06, 2003 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She was aware that he had to swim to shore with only his arms. I think she just doesn't like him and therefore when he suggested that she sit out she went ballistic. I think he knows how she feels about him and should have let other tribe members decide who sits. This makes my opinion that they are both big babies.

Pantageas

Monday, October 06, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Sandra got upset(and maybe overly so) that Jon was pointing out a weakness in her. She didn't want to be designated as being "lesser" in front of the whole tribe. I can kind of see her point, I think it just blew up more than necessary cause she didn't really like Jon. I bet if someone had just said "ok Sandra, it's your turn to sit one out", she would have been ok.