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TV ClubHouse: Archive: General Discussions: In an Odd Way, I'm Glad Jon Told the Big Lie: Archive through November 29, 2003

Jimmer

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll start by saying that I'm sorry but in a way I'm glad that Jon did what he did lying about his Grandmother. I fully agree that it was a despicable lie on his part. However, I'm also equally tired of people on these reality shows voting based on "who needs the money" or "who they feel sorry for". It's a game. You don't see Tiger Woods stopping on the 18th fairway and saying to another golfer - I feel bad for you and I'm going to let you win this one. Maybe after this show people will forget about being suckers and voting for who needs the money or whom they feel sorry for and actually vote for someone who is playing a good game (not Jon by the way).

Llkoolaid

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 04:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Would be nice if it worked out that way, that is my beef about reality shows, people are not rewarded for game play. It is usually pity party or revenge, I wish they would have the balls to vote for someone because they outsmarted them.

Missy2

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 06:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But their ego stops them.

I'm hoping that he doesn't end up in the final 2.

Cousin_Jake

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 06:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, but a crutial part of the jury voting reality games is to outwit and outplay people and still have them want to vote for you. If you end up in the final 2 and everyone hates you, then you did not play the best game. (Danielle, Nicole, Ali etc.)

Sheilaree

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He should get kicked off for lying about his grandmother dying, I hope Sandra finds out. I wrote to cbs and complained about it. I bet they will getting alot of email about that. You don't lie about that.

Justalittlebean

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon sucked the remaining suvivors in for "I feel sorry for Jon". Maybe not Christa and Sandra but the rest sure felt sorry for him. He's playing the game just like the previous Survivors who had a pity party. I'm sure he will play off this "poor me" for the rest of the game. I think they should kick him off Suvivor. This kind of game playing has got to stop or it will ruin the reality shows. I wonder how his family and Grandmother feel about this.

Starfire

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't it against the rules to get outside help in the game? I'm refering to foreplays buddy comming in and helping to lie about grandma taking a dirt nap?????

Lauram

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think there is a rule that the members comming for "family visit" can't fill the members in on the outside world.

Jimmer, you have a good point and I hope that this makes future contestants think a bit more when they play based on sympathy (or "he doesn't need this win").

I hope it doesn't put an end to the family visits though. Na MB probably feels it helped hype the show.

Squaredsc

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
good point jimmer.

Niceguy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you Cousin_Jake. You have to leave enough empathy in people to get those winning votes in the final two. The only way Jon can win is if its him and Lill. Even then its going to be tough.

Pamy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would never lie about a loved ones death but I still don't think Jon's lie was as bad as Sandra not admitting to throwing the fish after seeing how upset Christa was. I understand why Sandra didnt say anything (game wise it was good move)but her lie directly hurt someone, Jon's didn't(unless Gramma dies, then that is a whole different debate on Karma and such)

Kep421

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pamy...Jon's lie hurt the other survivors. They gave up the possibility of being with their loved ones out of respect for him needing to know about his grandmothers death.

Once they find out how they've been duped, and that one of them possibly gave up time with their loved one, bet they would have a different take on how much Jon's lie hurt....

AND... I'll bet dollars to donuts that Christa didn't learn about Sandra's ommission on national TV along with the rest of us. I think Sandra would have told Christa the truth first chance she got AND would have apologized for it. I can't see <el> apologizing to anyone for his lie

Pamy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They didn't have to give him the reward, he didn't make them cry like they did Christa

Allietex

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 06:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see the difference as a matter of intent. Sandra did something rash in anger and then failed to speak up but she did not intentionally set out to hurt Christa. She got herself into a situation in which she did not know how get out without getting axed. Jon deliberately set out to mislead the whole group. It was planned ahead of time and was a disgusting lie. Sandra felt bad about it but Jon delighted in it.

I have no objection to lying in the course of the game about alliances and such because it is part of the game. Even a lie about your background would be acceptable if you feel that it would be detrimental to your cause. I just feel that this went way over the line. It may not have been technically against the rules, but no matter how it is presented, it was still help from outside. I hope that in the future, the producers make it part of the rules that this kind of thing is not allowed. If not, no one is going to believe it if something really happens, like the girl's cousin who was lost in the World Trade Towers.

Keepers

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Allietex. I agree with you 100%.

Most likely the producers did not know how to react the "the big lie" when it happened, when they found out about it. They just kept the cameras rolling & let the game play as it "lied". It is not something they ever thought about happening or even hoped for, but since it did happen, & is now part of the archives, they see it as a controversy that has people talking.

They may or may not adjust the rules because of it - whatever they decide,their decision will be based upon numbers - does this type of thing bring in the viewers - does this help the ratings or hurt it? Only time will tell, but if we, the viewer keep turning it to see the outcome, the end result of the lie, then the producers will see this as a good thing. The lie, the disgusting lie, gave them increased ratings, the lie did not hurt them, the lie acutally helped them, no need to adjust the rules of the game - anything for ratings.

Unfortunately, I believe the producers will get the ratings, the viewers-even though disgusted by the lie, will continue to watch & future survivors will come up with even more disgusting ways to increase their chances of going further in their quest to be the ultimate survivor.

Here's to all the grandmas out there - may your children never fabricate your death!

Shoofly

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Allietex, I think you found the crux of the irksome part for me..."he delighted in it."

Puzzled

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Keepers--I'm a grandma and if one of my grandkids fabricated my death to save their butts, like in a job situation, I wouldn't be pleased, but I would understand.

However, if one of them pulled what Jon did, hurting the others and their loved ones who had travelled so far, then I would be totally disgusted, and he would HEAR from me!

Chy

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just read on SS that Jon's grandma really died. Could it be?
This was only the second time I ventured over there, since I am not a paid member(and did not want to cost them...). I'm not sure if that was true or crul games.
Well, I'm so glad I found this site to be around. This is the only place I'd trust for news.

Jami

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I read that she had died there too. I don't know if it;s true or not but it was a sobering thought.

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm glad it was Jon that "told the big lie". We hate him here, I actually believe the other survivors can't stand him at this point either & now once they find out - they'll hate him too! Poor Jonny Fairplay better watch out in the real world - he's going to be just <el> he is out here with US. Not a good after survivor life if you ask me.

Seanflynn2003

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jon, if he has lived his life outside as he has on the show, is likely inured to people's reactions.

On the show, he could likely survive because both Burton and Lil - as outcasts - feel they can beat him and him alone at the end. Then a tough choice at the final vote.

Kaili

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, we have heard (in one thread or another) that...
a. Big Lie= Big Regret (well, this is disputed but whatever...we'll pretend they are linked)
b. Jeff said something in some interview about the reunion will be okay with Jon, as in no issues.

Maybe this is true? He would regret lying about it before it happened, and people maynot be as venemous toward him at the reunion because of it.

Starshine40

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kaili,
In the interview with Jeff that I heard and posted about on here Jeff said that Jon would have no issues with Jeff "picking" on him, that Jon understood it was his job and helped Jon in the role he had chosen.

Riviere

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Apparently all's fair in love, war, and reality game shows. Jonny Fairplay, doesn't that label alone reek of his smirking sarcasm? His lie may show future compassionate, kindhearted players that games are just that ~ games, not somewhere to make friends4ever or believe everything your trusted new pal says. This is the lowliest most cutthroat pity ploy I've seen on any show and I agree, it hurt the others' by falling for it and extending sympathy to Jonny boy. If this is the future of Survivor, nice folks like Rudy, Kristy, Rupert et al need not apply anymore.
:(

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why didn't Jonny Fairplay just go on BB? His trash play would be more excepted there. Why trash out BB? CBS & the Surv. producers have let us down! I liked Survivor but feel if they allow the "Jon lie" to go, I'll be less liking this most believable reality show. I think Jon should be the 1st "removed" person from the survivor series. We had 2 folks removed from BB for foul play - Jonnyfairplay needs to be gone the same grounds.