Where Did Lil Go Wrong???
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Where Did Lil Go Wrong???
Cricket | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 06:57 pm     I too had a problem with Lil's incessant whining and bawling while she's reading the letters from home and then saying she didn't get upset. She lives in her own little world which doesn't always have anything to do with 'reality' which was the show she was supposedly on. I thought the funniest moment in the show last night was at the tribal council when Sandra said to Lil.."They (the jury) want you to say something bad about me. You Have to do it...go ahead." That just cracked me up. Sandra was always upfront and to the point. She deserved to win. Lil didn't bother me as much before she got booted the first time, but when she came back it seemed she was constantly upset and whiny. |
Janell | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 07:54 pm     Reader I agree 100% with you. Lil should have won, she was the survivor. Sandra played to the crowd. Lil showed what she was made of in the final competition and by not taking Jon with her to the final two. She won my respect by not doing what any "normal" person would have done. She took Sandra and got burned by that decision. It was not the easy one, but it was the right one. Too bad Lil. |
Kappy | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:15 pm     The whining is what did it for me. But that doesn't mean I don't respect her. And I agree it was wrong to hold her to a different standard from everyone else but I have watched enough of these shows now to know that you never know who the jury is going to come in angry at. They're mad because they aren't in the final two seats and they always seem to pick one person to take that anger out on. It just happened that in that moment of time, it was Lil that they chose to vent on. I always think of the jury as like a mob mentality ~ there's no real rationale behind their statements. They just want to take it out on someone and they get caught up in the moment. I also don't think she had that much better of a chance against Jon (no matter what they said last night) considering how many had no problems with his lie about his grandmother. Plus, being an outkast, I just don't think she ever had a real chance to begin with. So I think she should let it go that she lost because she picked Sandra. I think the outcome would have been exactly the same if she had taken Jon. And at least this way, she can like the person who won. And heck ~ $100,00 ain't bad, folks! |
Spygirl | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 08:57 pm     She would have never won against Jon - doesn't matter how they raised their hands after the fact. She played a great game - it wasn't pretty, but it was good and it earned her more cash than 14 other people earned. Her scout uniform should have never been a factor and I personally find it as absurd and hypocritical as Jeff clearly did that it was made into an issue. |
Tabbyking | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:25 pm     personally, i think she would have won against jon... i agree that the uniform should not have been a factor. after a while, i didn't even see it as anything other than clothing...it was just something that held up well through the long days! to me, it was lil who brought up the scouting thing all the time. i'm not voicing an opinion on whether it was right or wrong to do so, just commenting that lil was always talking about it and 'how the scouts would react' to this or that, or knowing to build a fire in a depression out of the wind because she 'learned it scouting', etc. the scouting aspect didn't bother me either way. if she really didn't want the uniform to be a factor, she could have made a flintstone dress real easily out of fabric later. i can't make a damn thing, and i made an entire family's halloween costumes out of animal print fabric. they each were one large piece of fabric stitched up one side and tied at the shoulders. LOL |
Pamy | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:27 pm     I think she sleeps in that shirt. |
Riviere | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 09:50 pm     Hope that, in the end, Boy Scouts will know that Lil took the high road... She chose a better player to go with, better to lose to Sandra than win over Jon.. The finale where Burton and Jon seemed snubbed said it all. If I ever see one other reality gameshow where guys get together badmouthing what wimpy loser brainless follower inferiors women are, and gloat about women never having a strategy, oh well, don't bet on them winning or having fans!!! |
Tabbyking | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 10:37 pm     i didn't know there were still young men out there who are as backward regarding women as they are...i sure don't know any who would voice those feelings out loud! makes me wonder about the males who influence jon's and burton's lives. to comment on a particular/specific weakness of an individual would be one thing, but to just make insulting blanket statements based on gender was hard to stomach! |
Catfat | Monday, December 15, 2003 - 10:50 pm     I commend Lill for choosing Sandra over Jon and taking her chances. I might have done the same thing because I loathe people who spend their time bragging about all their partying and boozing and sexual experiences. I would have chosen the more moral person, i.e. Sandra to share F2 with, perhaps to regret it later. Lill's husband gave her a nod of approval when this was discussed on last night's show. |
Azriel | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 06:22 am     I think Lil didn't lose the game until she went before the jury. The majority of the jury isn't looking for who played the game the best. They want to feel better about why you are up there instead of them. Essentially, with her answers, Sandra told the jury, 'It's was all about 'me'. It was nothing personal and it all involved my stategy. Lil told the jury,'It's all about 'you'. YOU betrayed me and I took it personally. It had nothing to do with stategy.' |
Puzzled | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 07:17 am     I agree with those who think she wouldn't have won against Jon. I can't imagine Burton, Rupert, Andrew, or Sandra voting for her. I agree with Azriel, too. I thought a lot of her answers were really off the mark. She really didn't give them anything positive. |
Cricket | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 09:21 am     I'll chime in here and and say I don't think she would have won against Jon either. That would have been horrible if he had won. I do commend her for taking Sandra. I agree with Tabbyking in that the scout uniform wasn't an issue, but Lil kept referring to it. My opinion of Lil had nothing to do with what she was wearing, but rather what she said and how she acted. Azriel, you hit it on the head about Lil's answers to the jury. That's why Jon would have also won over her. OMG, just think how Jeff P. would have felt having to congratulate Jon. He made it quite clear he did not like him. |
Lori | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 09:49 am     Sandra did say she would have voted for Lil if she had been on the jury. As it didn't happen, who knows if she actually would have. I personally think Jon would have won over Lil, although I think it would have been very very close! |
Cpmfinster | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 10:09 am     Where did she go wrong? Lil judged Jon and the jury judged her. Judge not, lest ye be judged |
Serate | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 10:49 am     BRAVO Cpmfinster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well said. |
Lori | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 01:47 pm     That's it in a nutshell Cpmfinster! |
Hummingbird | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 03:33 pm     The weird looking facial contortions grossed us all out. When she does that in the future someone should tell her to stop making that face because IT LOOKS JUST AWFUL!!! One more point about the uniform -- she probably brought other clothes but Jeff Probst took everybody's clothes away from them before they jumped off the boat. They were all stuck in the clothes they had on. |
Appletalk | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 03:49 pm     I did not like Lil. That said I can't exactly put my finger on why. So I am probably just picking but... Reasons 1. The facial expressions, 2. She seemed to think winning was owed to her for some reason. 3. She was (I think) vindictive. 4. She seemed to expect everyone to lay out their future plans, strategies etc., in front of others example asking Darrah point blank if she would bring her to the finals. 5. The scout uniform did not bother me but the attitude that she was a scout and her morals were above the others did. 6. And she just did not give me a warm feeling. Sorry to anyone reading this that liked Lill and or knows her in real life - this is just my opinion. |
Serate | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 05:44 pm     "5. The scout uniform did not bother me but the attitude that she was a scout and her morals were above the others did." I think this is why most of the jury [and alot of us watching] didn't like the Scout uniform. It was nothing against the Scouts, just Lil's attitude that because she was wearing it she was "better". If she would have worn the uniform but not played the Scout card probably nobody would have given it another thought. And like it's been said numerous times, she could have turned the uniform inside out. |
Maris | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 05:55 pm     Don't you think that if she turned the uniform inside out that she and others would consider it disrespecting the uniform. I dont see her ever wearing a uniform inside out. I think that even if she wore pajamas like Sandra, she would have ended up the same way. |
Serate | Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 09:17 pm     *self edited because my opinion really doesn't matter & I don't know how to delete this* |
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