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Allietex

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Something that puzzles me. Jeff says the big lie leads to a big regret but at the same time he says it was genius. Surely it does not lead to the liar's being booted off the island because that would not be considered genius. .

I don't think it would be the kind of lie where one person tells another that a third person is after them and wants to vote them off. That kind of lie happens all the time. It would not be considered the "biggest lie."

I also don't think it is going to be about someone being gay or something else in their backgrounds. I don't think anyone cares that much about those kinds of things.

I think it has to be a lie someone tells as a game stategty. It has to be something big. If this lie is bigger than the ones listed in the earlier posts, like Jerry and the jerky and Ghandia's really disgusting lie, then it has to be a beaut. And it almost has to work to the liar's benefit or Jeff would not consider it genius. Very confusing.

Allietex

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, don't you think if one of them was getting "insider" tips from a crew member and they got caught, they would be disqualified and booted off, and would Jeff consider that genius or cheating?

Osten's faking his weakness does seem like a likely candidate, although if he really did this, he is a lot more clever than I gave him credit for, because it was a risky thing to do. Of course if he got away with it, Jeff would probably considere it genius. I would.

Luvtrash

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Stop it! You're making my head hurt!

Tasia

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 02:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Osten is indeed faking, (I think he is) the impact it has on his tribe is the fact that they are all getting voted off before him. Most people when in Survivor go to play the game and hope their tribe gets immunity each week. In this case I do think Osten is being intentionally weak and getting the members of his tribe voted off first.

When the tribe does find out (what's left of them) I would think they would be very pissed off. As for the lie coming back to bite the liar in the butt. (we have seen an awful lot of Osten's butt these past few weeks) maybe that's the hint?

I believe the faking is part of Osten's strategy and so far it's working only because he does have muscles and appears strong. When your team is losing challenges, you vote off weaker players and since Osten doesn't "look" weak. He seems pretty safe. I still think he orchestrated Lil's eviction from the tribe after she voted for him at TC. Since last we heard, Andrew had been leaning towards Darrah's removal.

I think the big lie circles around Osten, as for Jon, I think if he was the liar, he would'nt be able to keep his mouth shut about it to at least one person, or the confessional, Jeff would have heard about it.

Azriel

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 02:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Allietex, this is what Jeff said in an interview on Regis and Kelly.

JP:... "there are alot of things that play out. There is one of the greatest lies ever. It is a fantastic horrible lie."

Kelly: "from a contestant or from you?"

JP: " From a contestant..ya. And there is a HUGE regret, that somebody does that is impactful"


He said the huge regret in the sentence after the big lie but I don't think that the two have to be from the same person.

Enigma2

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 05:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
listen to Azriel: if you go back to the first archive in this thread, Azriel posted quotes from the Probst interview. (And I added some additional quotes further down.)

Azriel seems perfectly correct. The 'big lie' seems to apply to one incident (Probst used the word 'brutal' to describe it), while the 'regret' seems to apply to another incident...

Grooch

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the big regret means that a person makes it to the final 2, but ends up losing the million for what they did.

Lilfair

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm on the Rupert bandwagon as the perpetrator of "the biggest" lie told on Survivor.

He's been edited as the lovable, competent and morally intact player. He's probably edited that way, so when the big lie happens we are all dumbfounded.

I couldn’t begin to guess what this lie might be…maybe instead of working with under privileged kids he’s an ex-con, just recently released.

Azriel

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lilfair, The Smoking Gun would already have found that out if it were the case. They research all the Survivors criminal records.

Kaili

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that the biggest lie is not linked to the biggest regret. If it were, why would Jeff call it "genius"? I think they just were lumped together as things to watch for this season, and not necessarily linked. It has to be something that the others won't know is a lie until watching it now. How will we know it when we see it then? Is there going to be a confessional that reveals it?

Catfat

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What if "the biggest lie" is someone who is a cross-dresser? Who would be the likliest culprit? One of the men or one of the women? Which woman has a funny, gargly voice and is flat chested? Someone in our town is a cross-dresser (transvestite?) wears great make-up and tries to use a women's voice, which comes out in a hoarse, scratchy sound and breaks up and down sometimes. Someone on this show sounds just like him. Hmmmm. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I'm just killing time till the show starts.

Kaili

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, if it's so brilliant, it's probably really, really subtle. I would think anyway. Something that is there, but is so subtly misleading that we aren't picking up on it.

I have no idea and it's driving me nuts! I wanna know!!!!

Kaili

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I personally would keep this a secret if it was my life! LOL

JonnyFairplay

Just check it out for yourselves. Too weird.
Portland Organic Wrestling Site

Lorry

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, Kaili, what a find. I'm just shocked. I mean, I sort of thought he was bad news, but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Now I just don't doubt my initial feelings about him at all. In a way, he makes me so sad. So sad that he was included in the show.

Thanks for sharing with us Kaili... I think this just might be the biggest regret, but the regret is felt by MB and JP. Regret that they ever allowed him to be on the show. I hope he is next to go.

Kaili

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I had to sit and think about where to post this- in his thread, in here, or based on the top picture, in the thread about his fingers at tribal council.

Maris

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont know it looks to me like he is using his index finger not "The" finger.

Enigma2

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kaili: thanks for the link (I think). Sordid is the only description.

I have never liked Jon –from that first show... But in an attempt to be fair, I have been thinking that Jon has simply latched-onto the current craze of attracting attention by appearing to be outrageous. (It started w. Madonna –and now she is writing children's books.) (MnM is another example.) I frequently doubt that sordid comments actually reflect the true positions of the authors. I just 'sells.'

Having said that, I still maintain a pointed dislike for Jon...

Kaili

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my god, you guys! I hadn't read the bottom part when I posted that. Ummm...yeah. Yuck. And just a tad bit...vulgar. How do you get into something like that? Eeek.

Catfat

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"a tad bit vulgar"? Oh, Kaili, your understatement is the best part.
My theory about someone being a cross-dresser is the highest point of morality compared to this creepy-acting guy.
How can the rest of the Survivors bear to be around him? His vulgarity and grossness must follow him around like a noxious-smelling gas cloud. Talk about bad energy. Bleh.

Puttergirl

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 07:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you look a little further on that site, you see that Anna Nicole Smith has wrestled with POW. That's enough evidence for me of how much a class act that organization is- lol.

Reader234

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was wondering how he wormed his way into the good graces of the alliance, I think survivor viewers will puke if he wins the million, and it just would be the way things are tilting in this world (aka think Cubs loss)

Kaili

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the lie is that he's happily married and has 3 well adjusted kids. LOL

Pascalle

Thursday, October 16, 2003 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I tried to download the video but they said due to so many requests, you have to order and buy it. I don't see why Jon's wrestling promoter status would disqualify him for Survivor. Look who won Survivor Tailand, an ex- porn actor. I think the big lie has something to do with Rupert. My guess is he sells out all of the Drake tribe at some point and sides with remaining Morgans after the merge. In any case, I like Rupert.

Kaili

Friday, October 17, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After seeing Michelle on the Early Show, I also am leaning toward Rupert. If you didn't see it, she refused to comment on her feelings about him and did so in a sort of a weird way.

Curlyq

Friday, October 17, 2003 - 10:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After reading everyone's posts regarding Osten's failings during past challenges I was left thinking "Osten's the Mole!" Then of course I remembered which show this was, but was still left with the feeling that Osten is acting Mole-ish for a reason. The only reason I can think of is that perhaps on that very first day of shopping in the village Osten had the opportunity to make an alliance with a Drake member. Since then he's been actively working to eliminate Morganites.

My only question is, would that count as telling a big lie, or is that just keeping a secret?