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Catfat

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Andrew is a <self-modded> because he is a lawyer.
Oh oh, is it bad to call someone a lawyer?

Pamy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Andrew is such a <LC> <KC>!! I can't stand him and I hope he goes soon. He acts just like most male lawyers!

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Folks, we need to be careful of making comparisons to an entire group of people. While there are plenty of jokes about the ethics of lawyers, stereotyping is treading on thin ground--and in this case we have a number of lawyers who are members of TVCH.

Hippyt

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya know,I really do hope Morgan is able to pull it together and win something next week. Sure,it's fun to watch Rupert and his gang of merry castaways kick butt and have fun,but I want to see at least some sort of competition.

What fun is a big lop-sided show,where one team wins everything?

Catfat

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lancecrossfire said: "Folks, we need to be careful of making comparisons to an entire group of people. While there are plenty of jokes about the ethics of lawyers, stereotyping is treading on thin ground--and in this case we have a number of lawyers who are members of TVCH."
You are right, Lance, and I apologize for being rude. Since I am an artist, any lawyer who wants to can take a poke at me and other artists and I won't retaliate.

Maris

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It isnt because he is a lawyer, it is because he wears Armani no offense to all the Armani wearers out there.

Pattina

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris: Good one. My thoughts exactly ;)

Sherbear: I thought I was the only one who thought Rupert looks like Hagrid. I have been calling him that from the very first show.

I dont feel sorry for Morgan in the least. All they seem to do is pout and when they should be figuring out ways to keep active and "up to snuff" for the challenges, they are sitting around. Maybe that is editing though and maybe they are actually trying to work together. I only know what I get to see on tv. But I do think they will come back with a vengence soon, thought it may be too late.

Chippy

Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's some link, Carrie. Wow.

I have to admit that I did feel a little sorry for them after watching, but I got over it by the end of the show. They really need to shape the hell up. It's called survivor for a reason, people. Get with the program.

Enigma2

Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To lancecrossfire: I agree. But there is something a little humorous in that Andrew has taken-off a summer from defending Jerry Springer to go naked on a beach.

Don't get me wrong: Andrew is one of my favorite survivors (I'm curious about his South African experiences –as noted in his bio). And I really appreciate the dry wit of showing-up at tribal coucils wearing a suit jacket.

Enigma2

Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Carrie: Thanks for the link. Quite interesting.

Meridian

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 05:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
After days without food and rest, the dull Morganites lose yet two more challenges. Am I surprised? Not in the slightest.

Did all tribe members on their applications tick off boxes indicating "unwilling to work," "generally poor attitude," "tendency towards sloth," and certainly "fond of petty disagreements."

It seems that any Morganite who demonstrates a bit of pluck is quickly made into a pariah, then ousted at the next Tribal Council. Witness Lil's independant effort at fishing. Why chastise a sincere gesture to assist fellow members? They are starving. Like any reasonable, rational adult, she took initiative and sought sustenance.

Does anyone else agree that JP finds them following that old adage "ignorant and apathetic"... that is, "They don't know and they don't care"?

Prisonerno6

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 06:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Their attitude was epitomized in the fishing incident. Lil gets up to go fish. Ryan O. notices she's gone fishing. Instead of following her to help, he whines about how they aren't pulling together as a team, that they go off in all different directions.

Raenstorm

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What happened to Andrew's conviction at the last Tribal Council (not last night's) that things would be changing (and why didn't JP call him on it)? I didn't see them try to improve their shelter or, for that matter, doing much of anything. Though Lil probably should have waited until she could try to get someone to go fishing with her, at least she was doing something. I'm curious how they'll manage in the next week without her and will have no sympathy for their plight now. Perhaps Darrah is more useful than we've been shown but I doubt it.

Loved Lil's "Yeah right" when JP couldn't extinguish her torch at first and said "they don't want you to go." Maybe he should have said, "I don't want you to go."

March

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Prisonerno6, you are so right about Ryan O. How quickly they forget though. He seems to have forgotten that he was the first one to go off in a different direction from the rest of the team when they first got off the boat at the village.

Prisonerno6

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point, March, I had forgotten about that.

Realfan

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My husband was really annoyed at Ryan's comment, too. Why didn't he follow Lil? It's not like she was out on a boat. If he sincerely wanted to help her fish, he could easily have caught up with her.

I think he was just rationalizing a reason to make her low man on the totem pole and vote her out. I was also saddened that Lil felt it was important to earn Andrew's respect. That whole "leader" idea is silly, when you think about it. Andrew is equal to all of them (or lesser!). If the two threatened women had gotten together and found a third, they would have had the power and could have bounced Andrew out on his patootie.

So, not only are the Morgan's poor at surviving, they're poor at strategizing, too.

I know it should be less exciting to see one team lose so completely. Instead of two bands of pirates against another, it's a band of sturdy pirates against a group of hapless castaways. Nevertheless, I'm finding this one of the most entertaining Survivors yet.

I love how annoyed Jeff sounded. You just know he'd love to light into them.

Enigma2

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm wearing black today: Big Lill's torch has been extinguished –and the islands are dimmer.

I'm alternating between 'sorrow' and 'anger' (at the Morganites for both their dumb, dumb general behaviour and for voting Lill off).

Questions for the Morganites:
1. What makes Ryan O., who was almost as inept –at the 'diving for treasur' comp.– as Ryan S., more valuable than Lill –who was the only Morganite to quickly and successfully complete her part of the job?
2. What do you do with your days –other than discuss what you 'going' to do with your days?
3. Is Osten –the quitter– still considered valuable for his –seeming– strength, when it now becomes obvious that in any brute strength comparisons, he will lose to Rupert?
4. How dare you complain about Lill –gone fishin when you were still asleep– when the rest of you should have been fetching the fish since day 1?
5. And –Andrew and Ryan– where are those fish that you said you were going to catch (all we saw was you tossing a net in a boat)?
6. And what makes Tijuana more valuable than Lill (What has been her contribution)?
7. And what-was-he-thinking when Andrew said that his vote against Lill was a 'strategic' move?

My support for the Morganites –as under-dogs– is over; finished; defunct.

In the pirate tradition, these folk should be tied to the mast and given twenty lashes...

Cablejockey

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Once again soneone who is older and wants to do things was pitted against a younger member, who does nothing but is kept in the tribe.

Auntiemike

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is fascinating that a random group of people can be put together and some of them can function as a group to "survive" and the other group is not cohesive at all. I guess that is why I watch this show. It's a study of human nature.

Shows that it takes more than brawn or brains - but a combination therein - to make this work. Teamwork is always desireable in job situations too. Interestingly, Andrew and Ryan O. and Darra are in careers where team efforts may not be emphasized very much.

Ihaven't really researched that theory further with regard to the other tribe members but.....

Prisonerno6

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did you catch the comment on the Drake team about planning what they were going to do on a certain day? Jon wanted to go treasure hunting, and one of the Pec Shop Boys said it was last on the list of things they wanted to accomplish that day. Jon said they already did everything else. In other words, it seems Drake makes a plan for each day and then carries it out.

In contrast, the only planning we've seen from Morgan is a comment about Lil saying she wanted to go fishing the next morning. When she follows through on that, she gets booted because no one could be bothered to go -- or even make plans to go -- with her.

Drake is a team. Morgan is a bunch of people in a competition.

Eeyoreslament

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What bugs me the most about Morgan being such a sucky team, is that you know the producers are going to do something dramatic to make things a bit more even. It's happened in Survivor Africa when the sent 3 people from each tribe, and then they were made to switch buffs; and in the last Survivor, when Jenna had a night with Dave, and they got to pick new tribes.

I wish that teams that can't get their act together could just plain get voted off. It's the consequence you suffer for not waking up and pulling up your socks. Why do these people get second chances?

Meridian

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Enigma.... some possible answers:

1. Since Atlas supports the mighty Earth upon his shoulders, what a compassionate gesture for Ryan to so attractively offer to hold up the weighty air. Lil, thoughtless Lil, simply disturbed the air what with her fire building and food scavenging.
2. Planning is essential to win challenges. Since they aren't winning, they must not be planning hard enough. Back to the drawing sand.
3. They keep coming back for challenges, don't they?
4. Fish smish.
5. Yeah... fish smish.
6. Like Osten, Tijuana reminds us of the song "Lemon Tree" by Peter, Paul, and Mary. Her worth may become apparent as lemonade.
7. Why should Andrew take chances that would have left Lil, Ryan S. and Nicole there to question his ineffective leadership? This is his best strategy. Keep the sycophantic chorus whining during the day and whinging during the night. No time's available for reflection and evaluation.

As JP so eloquently phrased it... "In four more Tribal Councils, there will be no more Morgan tribe."

Happymom

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not one bit.

Osten should've been voted out because he sank the boat.

Happymom

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Or maybe Darrah should've been voted out for pointing out that she cannot make a fire... during TC of all places!

Too bad Lill was such a follower, maybe she could've been a good leader otherwise.

Lumbele

Friday, October 03, 2003 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Morgan is becoming increasingly pathetic and unworthy of sympathy.
You want to eat? Get your bum out of bed (it's not very comfy anyway) and help procure food!
You want better shelter? Get your bum out of bed and improve it!
You want a "team"? Don't mope around whining about lack of cohesiveness. Show some initiative! Stop sucking up to the (ineffective) leader, motivate the others, organise them, etc. etc. etc.
Feeling sorry for Morgan? I guess you already figured out my answer.LOL
Hopefully, CBS won't "fix" things for them. Just get it over with, have them vote themselves off the show, and then lets see some real competitors earn the big bucks.