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Lorry

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I was kind of taken aback by Lil, this past episode. She seemed a bit sour, considering she was just given the thrill of a lifetime, coming back into a game she thought had ended for her.

What I mean by that is, and I'm not even taking into account that she voted out Andrew or what she said to Andrew... I don't blame her for voting out the guy she feels has stabbed her in the back.

I'm just talking about how she has been shown as never smiling, sort of sour faced, and yeah, maybe a little like she's playing the victim.

I'm sure it's just the way they are editing her, but somewhere deep down... well... I just wonder if our Ms. Lil isn't a little bit of a "beaych". hahahahahahaha

OK... your turn, am I out in space here???

Puttergirl

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think alot of people would agree with you, Lorry. I know my team in the deadpool thinks the same and don't like her. I wonder how many of us though wouldn't hold a grudge when put back with the people who we felt "stabbed us in the back". I know Burton has handled it well, but I tend to think I might not act so "grown up"!

Anyway, I like her. I think she is one tough older broad and I would love to see her go to the end now. She'll get less moody as time goes on.

Lorry

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like her too Puttergirl... and maybe that is why I wish the lady would smile... just a little bit.. hahahahaha

Csnog

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lets see now, the men on the show can be nasty, accusatory, yell, be rude and scream at each other.

Lil comes back and takes a look at how she is received by the tribe that voted her out and sees she in in no better position and will be voted out again as the fifth wheel.

Merging was the best thig that happened to her.

She had to make a huge decision as an outsider.

I would be a little dour faced while thinking about my chances of switching to the other tribe.

I look for her to be somewhat happier in future episodes.

Gen

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe she has been eating too many of those lemons! That would screw anybody's face up.
biggrinjester

Shewho

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What we saw of Lil last week was right after she received an icey reception by Morgan. Maybe her expression was more tense than sour. It would be pretty scary to walk back into Morgan.
I am happy that she will have an opportunity to show her skills and maybe make a couple of true friends. GO LIL!!!

Reader234

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lill, (good point Lorry, I had noticed that but didnt take it out to examine it!!) she did have that strange face on. Wonder if that will become her game face. I wonder if Burton and her have a secret alliance? I wonder if Lil knows Burton is an Eagle Scout? It sure didnt come up in any shown clips!! I hate editing, I want the big brother 24/7 cameras!!

From a scouting perspective, if I put myself in her shoes, she is an outsider, she has skills, she has to have great leadership qualities to stay as a scoutmaster for longer than 4 years (dont ask me how I know, but I've talked to lots and lots of SM, and the politics of parents drives you over the edge!!)

Because she went to the "other side" I dont think she was getting revenge, as much as staying alive. Do we really have to watch Jon till all the other tribe leaves?

Texannie

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's interesting cause if they hadn't of merged going back to Drake was great for Burton, but going back to Morgan was really like death for Lil. She would have had that one immunity and then been gone. I agree that she is looking very tense.

Catfat

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lil will get to strut her stuff now that she is with people who want to do something besides be lazy and gripe ala Morgans. She is like the Lil Red Hen, rememeber that story?
Given half a chance, she will do what it takes to take care of herself and her alliance.
I agree, though, about that pulled-down sour mouth, who would want to look at that all day, regardless of the reasons?

Kep421

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 12:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the issue being presented last week by the editors was all about the voting process and how Lil turned out to be the deciding vote. The editors showed mostly Lil dealing with her relationships with Morgan and how she was recruited by Drake. I'm sure there have been times when Lil wasn't dealing with those stressful issues and was genuinely happy and smiling.

In fact, I remember a point when she was walking with Jon with their arms around each other. Lil turned her head and she was smililng widely at Jon. I'm betting there were other such moments, they just weren't relevant to the storyline for this past episode so it was edited out.

Puzzled

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I'd be plenty disgruntled, too, if I came back and the tribe couldn't even pretend that they didn't despise me.

Andrew's speech to her, the morning after she returned, was just plain insensitive and mean.

The Drakes didn't treat Burton like he was a skunk at the lawn party.

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you're right on target Kep. Lil was upset when she picked the orange bandana over the blue prior to getting back in the game. She knew Morgan didn't appreciate her or want her around & thought starting over on Drake would be in her best interest. Then when she shows up optimistic @ Morgan & gets the negative reception (especially from Andrew), what did the Morgans expect - duh, this strong woman isn't back just to help secure you lazy Morgans a better chance at the $1-mil. I would have done exactly the same as her. I wanted Lil on the Drake team since the 2nd episode & am happy that now she at least gets to allien with these stronger characters.

Pamy

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did we ever see who voted for who to return? I wish we could have seen wht they said

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pamy, I hadn't thought about this - I want to see it too. I guess that Lil's 3 votes back in came from Sk.Ryan, Trish, & Burton. I'll guess that Burton's 3 votes came from Nicole, Michele, & Lil. Just my thought though - would love to see if I'm right on.

Gen

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pamy and Texasdeb, here is a link to how each of the "outcasts" voted. Lil's 3 votes came from Ryan S., Trish, and Nicole. Burton's votes came from Ryan S., Trish and Michelle. Each of the outcast's remarks are very interesting.

http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=886&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Texasdeb

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Gen - that clears the air. Nicole's reason to vote Lil back (so she would shut up about not being appreciated) got me. Funny, but IMO most voted for who would/could represent the outcasts the best - Burton seemed to vote for 2 people he thought could be no threat of winning votes back in. Please, look @ Gen's link & let us know what you think.

Pamy

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Gen!!!! That was great! I was ROTF at Nicole's reason!
NIcole said...
Lil, my vote's for you. Quite honestly, because if I get... end up getting sent back to camp, I don't want to listen to you complain anymore about not being in the game. That's why I'm voting for you.
..so basically Lil got back in the game because she didn't want to be around her! lol

Gidget

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 03:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's interesting that neither Lil nor Burton voted for each other. Thanks for the link Gen.

Lorry

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the link Gen. I hadn't read that before. I'm kind of getting the feeling that Lillian can be a bit of a whiner. I hope not.

I like her a lot right now, but if she's going to whine and whine.... ewwww... I might have to kick her to the curb.

Pamy

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think ya better get ready to kick Lorry!

Gen

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Y'all are welcome. I read it a couple of days ago. Then I just had to remember where it was that I read it.

Seamonkey

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can certainly think of a whole raft of people I'd rather hang out with than Lill..

Sweetpea1994

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lil has a "poor little me" complex. I thought she was sour faced the first time around.

Caycaye

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lil will be fine...I think it is truly the "editing"...because the things they keep showing are when someone asks Lil about why she was booted, and why she deserves to be back in...and then, after sounding "whiny" she GETS back in, and instead of Andrew and his team really trying to give her another chance and making her feel welcome....it was all about THEM, and why the "twist" was so unfair to them....and how hard THEY had worked to get there without her...

and.."OH...by the way....don't go against US in a TC vote....cause we are so....we are....you know we care about you....we really need your vote....we DESERVE your vote cause WE worked so hard...it just isn't fair that you're here...but since you are...things can get back to normal.....OK...we'll sleep late...YOU collect the firewood, and YOU look for food and clean up and when we wake up...we'll see if we can help in any way"....(Of course these words were not verbalized, but that is the way they acted toward her, and let her know in other words)

I mean, Lil must have felt that first night and morning like she TOTALLY was on her way OUT the revolving door as soon as they could get her out...and that wasn't gonna make her smile...and THEN after the merge...she wasn't so much WHINING or feeling sorry for herself, as she was TRYING to figure out, who, if ANYONE she could believe. She decided to believe Burton, because of his oath at her last Tribal Council with him...but Andrew and his bunch were trying their best to make her feel guilty, and at the same time, they were still treating her as an outcast....(Also not condusive to a smiling face)

I think Lil was under EXTREME stress, and things will be better next week....she really fits in better with Drake and has their work ethic. She also has the type of facial features, that when in deep thought, it appears that she is frowning, because her lips and face curve downward...but she really is just in thought....

I like Lil, am glad she is back...and can't wait to see her succeed for a while. If she keeps being "sour" or whiny, I will be very surprised. I have also seen her VERY happy and spirited...ala the Outcast tribe's challenge win.

Maris

Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I must say I was never a fan of Lil's. It could be the editing but even before she was kicked out she was always complaining that she was an outsider because of her age, the only person she had a relationship with was skinny Ryan. Every clip of Lil was her complaining about some slight by her team. She didnt shine as a tribemate but I wouldnt have booted her when her tribe did because she was a good swimmer.

I just dont feel the love for Lil, never did.