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Pannie

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
An idea for Webkitty: for your "Shawn and Jon are the last to leave Isla Contadora on a plane" question. I was thinking that they were the last of the pre-jury like Alaginger says. I think they got to go on a nice CBS-sponsored trip (like previous contestants). Therefore they left after their fun-filled vacation was over. I do not think they left because they were winners or late boots. All speculation tho'.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mods, can we change the title of the thread, now that we're in season? Just remove the "Pre-Game" part of it I'd guess...

Well most of the well-known spoiler sources have posted their first picks, and they are pretty much unaminous. They have a Drake immunity win (the cannon competition, and it's probably a combined Reward/Immunity challenge), and Nicole being booted.

Azlen

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From Zap2it:


LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - A suspicious-looking pattern of bets on the latest installment of "Survivor" has led an Internet gambling site to suspend wagering on the show's outcome.

BetWWTS.com, an online gaming site that regularly offers odds on "Survivor," "The Bachelor" and other reality shows, says it suspended betting on "Survivor: Pearl Islands" after receiving a number of bets on one player. All the bets came from new accounts and originated from the Vancouver, B.C., area.

"Whether this is a case of one of the contestants or someone involved with the show accidentally exposing the identity of one of the two finalists, or simply the by-product of rumor, it is still a highly unusual betting pattern and we felt we must react accordingly," BetWWTS CEO Simon Noble says in a statement.


The winner will be revealed live at the conclusion of "Pearl Islands'" run, but everything leading to that point has already been shot.
This latest case marks the second time the site has suspended betting on a "Survivor" show. During last season's "Amazon" edition, several CBS employees placed bets on Jenna Morasca and Matthew Von Ertfelda, who wound up being the two finalists.

The site also suspended betting on "The Bachelor" last year after several accounts originating from Springfield, Mo. -- Bachelor Aaron Buerge's hometown -- placed big bets on eventual winner Helene Eksterowicz before the outcome was revealed.

Guarddog

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So who has the B.C. connection? Sandra lives in Washington state, but that's the only connection I could find at first scan.

But that's VERY interesting! ;)

Azlen

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The AP article mentions Sandra.

"Noble (the spokesman for the website) wouldn't identify the contestant they were betting on, but said it was a woman who lives near Vancouver."

Sandra is the only contestant who lives near Vancouver.

Alaginger

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS Promo for Episode 2:

CBS: - When one tribe wins the first Reward Challenge, they learn of a new twist: one member may visit the losing tribe's island to pillage and loot one item from their supplies!
- A tribe is stunned when one Survivor confesses a desire to quit the game.
- Rupert, Morgan tribe's "Blackbeard," goes into a rage after learning that a tribemate has lost something crucial to Morgan's survival, but is determined to recover it at all costs.
- It's a desperate battle of mind and body for Immunitiy, where every last second will decide the winner in a photo finish you must see to believe.

Pannie

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting newly proclaimed factoid from SSucks: Jon Dalton (aka Johnny Fairplay) is a pro-wrestler - not an LA art consultant. He is Jeff P's "someone tells a lie" person. I think this interesting since CBS pinpointed him as being an annoying drunk 'round the campfire. hmmmm...

Alaginger

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 07:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
TDT reports that the RC involves pulling a treasure chest out of the water. Drake has Christa, who swims "like a dolphin," while Morgan is stuck with Osten, who is not a strong swimmer. Also, rumors that one tribe member has trouble in the water, requiring help from the crew (suggested to be Osten). Looks as though an easy win for Drake who (with the new twist) will get to send one member into Morgan's camp to plunder one item.

With skull present, this is the IC and supposedly another Drake win with an ecstatic Jon and a tearful Tijuana

Ryan S. appears to be the favorite this week for a boot on Morgan! I'm still trying to figure out who sits this one out for either RC or IC for those places that give points for answering that correctly. Will report back!

Pamy

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Edited to add the new message filler, sorry forgot the first time......
Morgan must win the RC and steal from Drake, that is why Rupert is upset and possibly why CBS keeps screwing up the promos saying Rupert is on Morgan.

Alaginger

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a different version on that Pamy....I think Shawn loses the spear and Rupert is angered because he wanted to catch all the fish to make himself as indispensable to his tribe as possible, and now his gizmo is gone.
The spoilers are all leaning toward Drake winning both the RC and the IC next week......but only time will tell.
But I have to agree, Morgan winning RC and taking the spear would sure make for good T.V.......

Pamy

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Survivor loves to mislead in their promos, I always go opposite what they 'want' us to believe. That is why Survivor is the best, the guessing is so fun!!

Zgoodgirl

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I thought I saw on the teaser for next week was Rupert arguing with Shawn, than all of the sudden, a snap noise was heard and they both look over to what was in Ruperts hand (Which was not in the shot). Then the next clip was him screaming with the top of the spear gun in his hand.

I was just about sick when I saw that. I just hope that it wasn't the spear gun that broke, and it was something else.

Did anyone else notice this?

Alaginger

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 04:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ZGood.....the promo reads like something is lost, not broken. Here's the blurp:
"Rupert, Morgan tribe's "Blackbeard," goes into a rage after learning that a tribemate has lost something crucial to Morgan's survival, but is determined to recover it at all costs."
(Ignore the word Morgan because we all think CBS messed up and meant to say Drake)

I captured some pictures and brought over to the pic thread of Shawn and Ruperts disagreement, and Rupert doesn't have anything in his hands that I can see.

I think the spear gun is lost and Rupert tries to find it.......

Alaginger

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 04:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still trying to figure out who sits out on the Drake Tribe for the RC and for the IC for the games that ask us that.
So far, in the RC, I have pictures of Shawn and Christa under the water, Rupert and I believe Trish with the raft, and I think Burton doesn't sit out. So that leaves Michelle, Jon, or Sandra to sit out. Still trying to narrow it down.

No clue yet on the IC.......

Maris

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 05:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It could be they lost the spear in the reward challenge. Maybe it was shawns responsibility to mind the spear and he didnt keep track of it, thus allowing it to be stolen. You can bet Rupert would be either sitting on that spear or hiding it so the opposing camp couldnt take it.

Glenn

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't seen the videos of this spear gun so I have a few questions. There are two basic types of spear guns. One is propelled by a rubber band of sorts and has a long barrel. The other type is pneumatic style that has a short barrel. The thing is that both styles typically have a line attached to the spear and a reel that prevents the fish from swimming away with the spear.

Most normal uses of a spear gun would not allow for the loss of the spear because it is usually attached to the gun by the line. Can someone add some insight into what has been televised about this spear gun?

Alaginger

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Basically we are just guessing that it is the spear gun that gets lost. The promo just says
"a tribemate has lost something crucial to Morgan's survival, but is determined to recover it at all costs." (Again we think CBS meant to say Drake's survival since it is something lost that revolves around the pictures of Shawn and Rupert). So, after what you just said....maybe it isn't the spear gun that gets lost, or maybe Shawn drops the whole kit-'n-ka-boodle in the water and can't retrieve it.

Urgrace

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alaginger, there are two guys in blue shirts in one of the pictures who seem jubilant from winning. One of them is Jon.

Alaginger

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Urgrace....

The picture in the blue shirts is Jon and either Burton or Shawn (I think Burton). That picture is right after either IC or RC, because I have pictures I just put up on the picture board of the two teams just before one of the challenges, and no blue shirts there. So......hmmmm, looks good for Drake! I'm still working on Trish in those pictures and in the water picture Trish has on the long-sleeve black top.........???

Alaginger

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 04:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, you guys......I'm thorougly confused here with the pictures I've posted. Help me think this through.

See Tijuana on Morgan tribe in "tribe shot" versus the back of her in a "challenge shot". One she is wearing a shirt on the beach and pulling with her team, and the other she is dressed more scantily, probably for a water challenge......right?

Now look at the Drake tribe with Trish in the foreground wearing a tube top and the others dressed like this is the water challenge.....but then look at the picture where Rupert is pulling the rubber raft and a female in long black sleeves (like Trish wore on the ship) is helping. Assuming the two Drake guys in blue shirts is part of a beach challenge, and the scantily dressed is a water challenge, how does that picture with Trish in the long-sleeve black shirt fit into either of Episode 2 challenges.

Like I said, I've got myself totally confused!

Alaginger

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nevermind........I just saw that scene on Episode 1 from the rerun on Sunday night. That was Trish and Rupert first arriving at the village to barter. Sneaky of CBS to have that shot in with shots from Episode 2......they had me going there for a little while.

Urgrace

Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a great clue in the opening pictures of all the contestants with Rupert's beard longer in the first shot and shorter in the next! Looks like he will be around for a while.

Maris

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 05:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
another article about the betting:

Bookie closes bets on 'Survivor' for fear of tampering
Thursday, September 18, 2003 Posted: 9:01 PM EDT (0101 GMT)




from CNN

NEW YORK (AP) -- An offshore bookie who takes wagers on the outcome of CBS' "Survivor" decided not to take bets on Thursday, suspicious that someone who knows the winner is spreading inside information.

The reality series, which premiered its seventh edition from Pearl Island on Thursday, has been relatively free of security problems despite an Internet cottage industry in guessing winners and losers.

The Antigua-based company, BetWWTS.com, has taken bets from as many as 1,000 people for past editions of "Survivor," consistently television's most popular reality game.

The company rarely does any action with "Survivor" before the show gets on the air. Betting usually heats up after the show has been on for at least a month and viewers get to know the characters, said Simon Noble, the company's CEO.

"If we get five bets (before the game), I'd be stunned," Noble said. "Nobody can relate to any of the contestants or develop a strong opinion."

Yet in the past few days, the company took more than 15 bets on the same contestant, all from people who lived near each other in Vancouver, British Columbia, he said. The company shut the game down.

Noble wouldn't identify the contestant they were betting on, but said it was a woman who lives near Vancouver.

The CBS Web site identifies one contestant, Sandra Diaz-Twine, as living in Fort Lewis, Washington. She's a 29-year-old U.S. Army veteran who now works as an office assistant. She's married with two children.

On the Web site, Diaz-Twine says she believes she's a contender to win "Survivor" because of her ability to improvise and knowledge of hunting.

CBS spokesman Chris Ender pointed out that although filming for the "Pearl Island" game is complete, the results are sealed.

"The truth is, only ("Survivor" executive producer) Mark Burnett and a couple of CBS executives know who won," he said. "Certainly, Mr. Burnett doesn't need the money you could win from an offshore bookmaker."

As for whether someone is trying to profit on inside information, Ender said, "we'll know for sure in December."

"Everyone in America likes to speculate on who won `Survivor,"' he said. "It's become sort of a pop culture sport."

Twice before the bookmaker has had to suspend betting on a reality game. Once, for ABC's "The Bachelor," it received a large number of bets from the bachelor's hometown on the woman he eventually chose as the winner.

For the Amazon edition of "Survivor" last spring, the company suspended betting a month before the televised finale because of a concentration of wagers on two contestants, including the eventual winner, 21-year-old swimsuit model Jenna Morasca.

Another offshore bookmaker, BoDog.com, suspended betting last spring after allegedly finding at least two CBS employees betting on the show's outcome.

Alaginger

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 05:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Found this very interesting write-up about the booted players over at Phoenix --- something to really think about when making our picks!!!

SURVIVOR PHOENIX
September 18, 2003

TDT and Survivor Phoenix have learned that the initial booted players will form a third tribe. It is not yet clear at this point how the tribe will factor into game play.

Dan Bollinger initially broke the possibility of booted players returning to the game in a post at Sucks in mid-August. Since then, various sources have confirmed the presence of early booted players in the latter part of the game: Survivor News reported that the players compete against each other for a chance to return to the game and Wezzie, upon returning from a trip to the Pearl Islands, reported at Sucks that booted players (note plural) return to the game.

The game is structured to last 39 days, with a boot occuring every 3rd day. Since the filming ended on schedule in Panama, there has been much speculation across the boards as to how players could return to the game without it affecting the timing of the game. Perhaps the much touted piracy theme holds a clue to the mystery.

Alaginger

Friday, September 26, 2003 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ON THE NEXT SURVIVOR

* Two Survivors decide not to join their tribe on a search for buried treasure, raising suspicions about what they are doing with their alone time.
* Trying to make a decision for the tribe, Jon insults Sandra, and a screaming match erupts.
* One Survivor loses an item that is crucial to the tribe's survival, inciting the tribe's fury.
* A painfully physical Immunity Challenge leaves the fate of two Survivors in the hands (literally) of their fellow tribe members.