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Csnog

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Markopolo's note: Osten's answers in his "day-after interview" were short and brunt. He seems to not care at all. After seeing poor Paschal almost near death, Heidi's body disintegrating, and Shawna even toughening it out for a few days, it's disappointing to see someone ruin their chance on Survivor. Jeff Probst was so pissed. Too bad they don't have an interview with him after Osten quit.


Osten (day-after): What surprised me most is how much weight I lost in a short amount of time. I knew this game was going to be hard. I knew this game was going to be hard.

CUT

It came down to how much food we were getting. I thought we would be getting more food where we were and we weren't able to do it.

CUT

I would have given anything to fish more, find food, live off the land a little more. That wasn't the case.

CUT

They tried but they weren't successful. Ryan tried and Savage tried, our two best swimmers. I couldn't cuz I can't swim that well.

CUT

So we just weren't successful in fishing. And getting mollusks and whatnot, they were few and far in between. We kind of depleted our resources where we were.

CUT

As far as taking away from the game of Survivor, I've taken nothing. There's no epiphany that I had. Because I took this game seriously, I knew exactly what I was getting into. Was it tough? Sure, but I didn't learn anything.

I knew before it started that surviving in the wilderness wasn't for me. It's not my element. I'm out of my element (YES, THIS WASN'T WUSS-VILLE).

But the whole key thing was trying to win a million dollars. That was it.

CUT

OK, what made me stop playing the game for the money was that the ends didn't justify the means as far as my body. I told myself that my body comes first. If it breaks down to where I am not able to go any further, I'm not going to push it any further. OK I push my body to a certain point, and then you give it a rest. Because if you overdo it, you'll break down. And you break down because you miss time. And you miss time, that puts you in a hole that you have to climb out of a month or two down the road.

CUT

At tribal council, Probst asked Andrew a question about what the deal was, and he told him flat-out that Osten requested to be taken out. He questioned it. He questioned me and my teammates about my heart, my commitment and blah blah blah. At the end, it was a unanimous decision so there was no need to go up and vote. And I was out. Pretty short and sweet.

CUT

He was questioning my heart and character but you can question it all you want.

CUT

I don't question my heart and character. Not for one bit.

CUT

Like I said before, I want to go as far as my body will take me. Once the tank is on empty, it's on empty and I'm done. And that's living up to my word. And I'm done. It doesn't matter. That's the agreement I made. It doesn't matter about my heart. My heart and body are one in my mind. That's what makes me who I am.


CUT

Based upon what you see, that's what you see on the outside. You don't know how my body is feeling on the inside. Spit up blood and it's a sign that you're body is empty. It's done. What someone else perceives on me is not the matter. If you question what I do, you can get in line to kiss my ass. Make sure you go to the back of the line because it doesn't really matter to me.

CUT


Life will go on. .. In the end of the day will it matter to Osten? No it won't.

CUT

As far as dealing with the people, that wasn't really that big of a deal. I deal with people, that's something I deal with at work on a daily basis. The biggest thing was not eating food. That was the biggest thing for me. You lose 32 pounds in 18 or 19 days, it's tough.

CUT

I can deal with having the name of the first quitter of survivor. It does not bother me at all. Not for one bit (smiles)

Gidget

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm thinking losing over 30 pounds in less than 3 weeks is very stressful on the heart. As much as I love Survivor, I think the starving thing has been done to death. Enough already. Does someone have to die? Make 'em work for it but make more food available. This isn't real life. If you are really stranded you take your chances. But for a game. Ridiculous.

On a lighter note, our favorite BB girl Ali said towards the end of the season, her detractors could lick the crack of her (use your imagination). I think I would like to see Osten and Ali together.

Auntiemike

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I find it fascinating to read all the comments about Osten. I can't help but remember back to the very beginning of the show, before they jumped ship. Remember the luxury items they had to leave behind? Does anyone remember what Osten had? I recall several bottles of booze and some CDs. That was our first clue that he had no idea that this wasn't going to be some big party! I think he was unrealistic in his expectations from the getgo.

The more he got involved in the game the more he felt out of his element. Even the "near drowing" incident was his "cry" for help. Maybe he wanted someone to tell him, at that time, that he could leave.

Anyway, he has been consistent throughout this whole game (IMHO) and we shouldn't be surprised by his latest choice.

The only regret I see is that another person, who was up to the challenge, did not get to participate because he was chosen. I hope he learned something about himself and grows from the knowledge.

Now then.....on with the game! :-)

Enigma2

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy all of these 'excuses' for Osten quitting. It's not as if he was shanghied into this. He volunteered. And it was not as if the hardships were an unknown: There have been many past editions of Survivor to give witness to the hunger problem. Osten should have assessed his ability to 'play-the-game' before applying. He could also have done some 'research', and he could have prepared his mind and body for the upcoming problems. I simply think that Osten must have known what he was getting into, and he found that he was not up-to-it. (Darrah and Tijuana are 'surviving'...)

Gidget, I don't agree with you. The name of the game is "Survivor." And Osten is the only 'quitter' since the U.S. version of the show began. Many have played the game. It's tough, as it should be. And many slightly built women have managed; and many much older people have managed.

And Ladytex, re 'city boys.' We NYer city folk are a bit hardier than you imply. We're surrounded by water (including the Atlantic) and most of us can swim. And some of us (not me) actually catch fish in the rivers. And then we survive things like 9/11 and blackouts when you are 14 flights of stairs above the street.

(Can't all you people see that I'm full of love and contentment, today....)

Ladytex

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When I said city boys, I did NOT mean all city boys. "City Boys" are a type of person, not a locality. For Pete's sake .... I knew there was a reason that I stayed out of this area

Kaili

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten is from Nashua, NH, right? A good friend of mine I met in Arizona was from Nashua. I just looked up the population- it's about 86,000. I really don't think of that as some huge, concrete jungle. I grew up in a city of about 90,000 and I now live in a city of about the same size. I know plenty of people who are "outdoorsy" and plenty who are not. My cousin is from the same city and can't stand the thought of dirt touching him- at times I'm surprised he is willing to walk on ground that isn't paved. I, on the other hand, like dirt :) I don't know what my point is, really. Just that Osten is probably more like my cousin.

Brenda1966

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Regarding OSten's comments above, that he "took nothing" from the Survivor experience and that he didn't learn anything?! I think that says a lot about him (and none of it good). I guess perhaps he already knows everything so he has nothing to learn. Osten is officially my least favorite survivor. Nice body but a pea-sized brain.

Auntiemike

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe there are the Ostens of the world to remind us of the important things in life. Worshipping a body is pretty empty and nonfulfilling, in my opinion.

I would much rather see a person who spent as much or more time developing their character and inner strength and resources. There would be a whole lot more to them to appreciate! And, I suspect the payoff would last longer.

Time for Osten to move on.....

Denecee

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's funny that he is from Nashua because my best friend works there and she was telling me about Osten being from there. I can't wait to tease her.

Pengoh

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Because Osten 'quit' instead of being voted out, do you think CBS still has to pay him?

Lori

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say I feel sorry for the person who never got to be on Survivor because Osten filled the spot!

Gidget

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone from Morgan had to go last night. 4 people wanted very much to stay. Osten didn't. Worked out fine in my book.

One thing I had not considered, someone said earlier, Osten may have hurt his team early on with his attitude. I do agree that is possible.

But Osten did not quit. The team did not have to vote him out, either. Of course it was in the other 4's best interest to not have to risk their own necks on the chopping block.

A number of people have said this is Survivor. He should have known what to expect. I agree.

I love Survivor but there are risks the players endure for $1mm that I really question the sanity of. And I even question myself for liking the game. Hunger, dirt, sleeping on the ground, getting rained out. All acceptable.

Starvation, disease, what does it say about me that I think this is a good idea for a game show. What is really entertaining about all that risk?

Enigma2

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ladytex: Apologies. Just thought that I was giving the 'other side.' Please say something so that I don't feel so bad.

Puzzled

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten was a disaster from Day 1, and they should have voted him out, with his hissy fits and gloomy-gus attitude.

He was no help in the challenges and certainly didn't do anything to help the morale of the others.

He was on CBS this morning and just seemed so blase and inane. It's like he inhabits another planet.

Bcandscott

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Over in Extra Clips Unplugged, I did something very mean. I posted the aftermath interview with Osten talking about leaving and then I posted my reflections on his audition tape....right after the "it doesn't matter, my body is a temple" thing. It's eye opening. That guy was just clueless.

Pamy

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also just remembered he was the one telling the ladies to show their boobs in the town on the 1st ep, what a waste this guy turned out to be.

My DH applied for this Survivor and it pisses me off that Osten took a spot my DH could have filled. My DH would have worked hard, never whined, and told them how they could you ash from the fire as a bug reppellent. It seems to me that MB goes out of his way to pick African American men that come across as lazy and that really upsets me.

Sunshyne4u

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I noticed about Osten in this episode was NOT his gloomy face and beaten demeanor. Did anyone else besides me notice the numerous stretchmarks all over his shoulders and arms?? I found them quite alarming....they show that he must have gotten those muscles he came on the show with FAST enough that the skin couldnt stretch.
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I would have LOVED a before and after shot of Osten to be shown...He WAS wasting and the digestion of protein causes major kidney damage. It was pure bad luck that caused the Morgan tribe to lose the first few comps. The lack of food WAS a huge concern to a man who needs 3000-4000 cals a day to maintain his physique. I dont think he realized that there was NO WAY he would be able to do it until he got there.........Those first few days told the story......too bad they didnt vote him out that inital tribal council....They were biased for him, as they idealized his build and presumed that a bodybuilder physique would come in handy for comps.
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Osten SAID he didnt have it in him....I wish they would have put their own "plans for osten" to the side and voted him out when he asked them to.

Amchess

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sun, do you mean a possibility of steroid use? That had crossed my mind from the beginning.....

Tabbyking

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i recall everyone pretty much wanting osten out at the beginning except for andrew, who was sure osten would bounce back. i don't think osten bounces... :)
i believe he lives in boston now which is about 10 times bigger than nashua...and that's not counting the areas around it.

my feeling is osten was just way in over his head and the trouble in the water was very symbolic! i guess i am not sure why someone who needed a lot of food and was afraid of water and really didn't seem to work hard--other than that one challenge when he held a rope--would even sign up for this show.

if osten isn't concerned about being a 'quitter', though, i guess i shouldn't be, either!

Gidget

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My husband worked out when he was young. He never used drugs. He has the same kind of marks as Osten. I don't think stretch marks are unusual in body building.

And after a few pregnancies it's nice to have a man with them LOL

Texannie

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am just confused by the fact that he said he was "after the money, pure and simple"..did he not realize what he would have to do FOR the money???????

Tishala

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Gidget, youre absolutely right. And, of course, stretch marks show up much more easily on black skin than they do on white skin.

Sunshyne4u

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amchess and Gidget, I was not insinuating anything to do with steroids. Simply put, Osten is a slim framed man (look at his knees and shoulders) who had fought like heck to bulk himself up. I meant to say that he must have built his muscles up quickly as his skin was stretchmarked.
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My concern with Osten is that he DID come out of Survivor with an epithany and doesnt seem to acknowledge it. Money is not worth your Health.
I have a theory. Osten was a skinny sickly child who had battled back from that stigma.....now, LIVE on the show he starts to relapse and feels like the sicky who isnt able to give his all. No one can know what went on in his head. Osten repeatedly voiced his fear of getting pneumonia AGAIN considering they were sleeping out in the open with no blankets or clothes for warmth.
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Does anyone here remember the female bodybuilder Firefighter?? (Steph??) Whom after a couple of days showed muscle wastage and immunity dropped causing a horrible bad cold. She had no energy and constantly looked ill. AS ill as Osten. If her tribe had REFUSED to vote her out because of their determination to MAKE her compete!! SHE WOULD HAVE SEEMED VERY MUCH LIKE OSTEN BY THIS STAGE OF THE GAME... the poor girl was so cold and had the chills she was almost sleeping on the fire some nights.
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Every year I have said the same thing. These contestants are taking years off their lives for the sake of the almighty dollar....just a CHANCE to get a million, IMHO. Parasites, starvation, bug bites, mental anguish, all will have long lasting affects on the body organs and will also affect immunity to diseases.

Tabbyking

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
my son is 6 feet tall and weighs 166 pounds. during track and field they used the weight room on days they didn't run or work out on the track. my son got awful stretch marks near his shoulders and across his back in only a month of maybe 30 minutes twice a week in high school p.e. when i first saw his back i thought someone had whipped him or burned him, they were that significant.
i was amazed when the dermatologist took one 2-second look and said, "does he do weight lifting?" it can happen that quick and to someone who is much slimmer than osten.
so osten's stretch marks COULD have come from not much work or working out. his 'bulk' looked more like steroid bulk, but some people just have that type build, too. i would never assume someone was using steroids, but it is a possibility.

Starshine40

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A few things that occur to me re. Osten's remarks about going hungry. He didn't go any hungrier than the rest of his tribe did.

Go back to episode 1, what did this tribe do when they got to the village? They didn't make a plan. Ryan O could have taken the map and gone to check how much a boat would have cost (instead of going down there without the map) then they would have known how much money they would have to spend in the village. They were totally disorganized and did NOT buy very many supplies including food! I remember Ryan S. running after them going down to the boats telling them they still had money left!

This was their first mistake which was followed by many others. They bought only 3-4 fishing hooks, they couldn't figure out how to use the fishing spear....I still haven't seen Ryan O go catch any fish since Rupert was there.

Ryan S. and Lil used to go get the water. After they both left Tijuana and Darrah have been getting the water. I have yet to see Andrew do ANY work other than the the shelter (I won't go into THAT now). Though I did admire Andrew for winning that immunity challenge, it really took grit. I really don't remember seeing Osten or Ryan O doing any real work either.... who gets the firewood? Who cooks? Does anyone on this tribe do ANYTHING to better their condition?

I wish they would give us 2 episodes a week so we could see more interaction between the contestants and more of what goes on around camp.