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Scorpiomoon

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 07:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hear ya, Texannie. That whole challenge left me a bit perplexed.

Texannie

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank goodness, I am not alone! LOL

Kellirippa

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not lovin' the Lil. Burton took her for breakfast (odd since those are the only two that have eaten non-island food recently, I know that Jeff said they were on limited rations, but none of the outkasts looked particularly gaunt), and then she dissed Burton at least twice when she was distributing her coconuts!... nope, not lovin' the Lil...

Allietex

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kell, the dissing of Burton was cover for their alliance. Remember as they were leaving the breakfast, they agreed to act as though they did not get along. He was going to tell everyone that she just blabbed along and he went to sleep. That is why she asked Burton not to make her out to be a b-tch. That is the feeling she was trying to project; that she and Burton did not really like each other.

Yes, at first she tried to do the "right" thing and not lie and scheme. She soon found out that did not work when she was voted off. Now she has a second chance and she is playing the game the way the rest do. Everyone schemes and lies. That is just part of the game. She has just awakened and realized that life on Survivor is not real life. It is a game and normal rules do not apply. Unfortunately, I think what she is doing really does bother her and I think she is going to melt down because of it.

Hippyt

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A Special photo just for those of you enjoying the crankiness of Lil!
Lilcries

Fluff

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lil has mental issues. I'm sorry, but that lady is coo-coo.

Pamy

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She really is Mrs Frizzle!

Csnog

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry but I find it childish to pick on someone because of their looks.

Criticizing game play is a different matter.

Gen

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog - I am with you! The woman can not help how she looks. I bet in real life, she is a really great person and people to not even think about her looks.

Fluff

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 12:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL @ Mrs. Frizzle!

Fluff

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guinevere, your post was hillarious!

Maris

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 12:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is wrong with her looks? I just think she is a big pain in the butt and I would vote her off pronto. She seems to be very emotionally needy and self involved. At least from the editing that is what I am getting, if she isnt whining about why nobody accepts her, she is whining about how even though she is accepted now she wasnt accepted before and how hard it is to be Lil. When she is finally in an alliance, she is whining about how she is going to have to lie to stay in it and she doesnt think she can do it. I say pack the lady up and send her home. Still not feeling the love for Lil.

Ladytex

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not either ...

Pamy

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't making fun of her looks, just meant she seems a little whacky, like Mrs. Frizzle.

Lorry

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't feel too warm towards Lil myself... and the reason is soooo unfair to her... but, I just can't seem to get past the fact that she reminds me of a friend I have.

Yep, a friend... but we have a very odd relationship. She's a whiner... I have yet to have her visit me, or call me, and not whine about something.

She is included in all my gatherings, but from other guests, I have discovered I am not alone in trying to avoid her to some degree.

The constant whining, complaining, woe is me, and life is unfair just gets to a point where even though you feel bad for her, and she does have terrible luck.... I have gotten to where I simply agree with her and try to escape.

That is how Lil comes across to me. I wish I didn't feel this way, but hey, I'm human and Lil is a real pain IMO.

Now I feel all mean and ugly....lol

Pamy

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lorry, don't be, I have a lady like that at work. She has a sweet heart but I can only take so much of her

Lorry

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You too Pamy??? You know, we want to be their friend... but at the same time... well, you understand...lol

For some reason Lil doesn't come across as a leader. Maybe it's all an act...

Caycaye

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 12:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well...I really like Lil...and have "felt her pain" from the beginning. Yes, she learned what it will take to "survive"..Burton must have explained it VERY WELL....because at the breakfast when she suggested she would have a hard time with lying...Burton pooh-poohed that idea...and Lil said..."I KNOW..I know..." which makes me realize that she and Burton are going to stick together as long as they can....and HE is leading the way. I feel sure she was crying in the clips for next week...because she KNOWS what Burton is wanting her to do, is against her "principles", but if she is going to be loyal to Burton, she HAS to vote out Rupert (someone she genuinely admires but unfortunately does not have a BIG alliance with). I personally find it REFRESHING that someone has enough of a conscience and a realizaton of how "staying in the game" is just as important to a teammate as it is to him/herself.

I have NO problem with someone showing emotion when they are stressed, and I think EVERY time Lil has an emotion...they SHOW it. Some people need to "talk out" their issues. I don't judge Lil for her looks or her emotions...I would have never had her courage in the first place to go on Survivor, and I am younger than her. I respect her, and hope she or anyone just as deserving wins.

Lumbele

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lil is not my fav survivor (at this point I still don't have one), but I respect her courage to compete with much younger and stronger opponents.
Her complaints are valid. She was given the cool shoulder by Morgan (Andrew wrote her off from the get-go). Morgan *was* (is) lazy. Her work ethic would have fit in with Drake. They would have appreciated it.
But......and I am qualifying the "but" because editing can and often does distort, she does come across as a naive sour puss who holds a grudge. This is a game built on the ability to manipulate and deceive. Lying to people, making an effort to connect with them for alliances, then voting them out is part of it, and it goes both ways. If you don't want to play ball, stay off the field.

Tabbyking

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't think anyone means her 'looks' per se when they discuss lil. it is the faces she 'makes'. when she is not grimacing or making odd faces, she is very pleasant looking. she just has a 'rubber face' where she can make some awful expressions. there is the 'i stepped in dog-doo' one and 'the baby eats creamed spinach for the first time' one. i think she would find it hard to bluff at poker.

Lorry

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Lil is a great looking lady... wish I had her figure and looks... but that still does not make up for the whining and the faces... and I agree... most of it has to do with the way she is being edited.

However, as those who are anti-Rupert claim... there is only so much editing can do... and if there are no smiles, only frowns, only whining, and minimal joy.... then that is all they have to work with.

I'm sincerely hoping Lil has a boost to her ego and begins to be the leader that all those Boy Scouts look up to. Right now, she isn't showing that side of herself. Maybe it's all strategic, maybe it's real... we have to wait and see.

The one thing about this season... for me at least, is that I have not found one person to really dislike. I find them all very interesting, very easy to like... even that silly Jon. For me, their being so easy to like, so real and not just eye candy, really makes a difference in the show. We are watching them play a game, as opposed to the Heidi & Jenna sexual manipulation show last season.

Pamy

Sunday, November 16, 2003 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ITA Lorry!

Caycaye

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 01:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That is soooo true, Lorry. It reminds me, once again, why I am enjoying this Survivor so much better than all of the rest...AND why BB4 was such a wretched disappointment for me. I STILL watched BB4, but was not happy watching it, because it was evident from the beginning that only the heinous people would be around in the end, and I couldn't be happy for Jun or Alison because of my total disrespect for them as human beings.

The quality of contestants in Survivor this year have been fabulous. I did not dislike a single one (maybe Jon...but he seems to grow on me). Even thought I have had my favorites, I will be happy with whomever wins, and I can't say that about every season!

Lisad

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 11:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I get ill when I see Lill on that show.
She was kicked off and shouldn't be there.
After that ridiculous twist in bringing Burton/Lill back - they should allow the rest a shot at the game also. And you bet I filled out the CBS feedback link today.

Lill is the reason Rupert is out tonight & that makes me sick.

I don't buy her schtick, I don't buy her tears, I don't buy any of it. I think it's all BS and any tears she sheds is from pure mindless emotion & no - it wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't also mentally skewed somehow. I don't feel she's a genuinely nice person. Wouldn't trust her for anything. I cannot believe she's still in the game. It isn't right.

Caycaye

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
EEEWWW Lisad...I hope you are wrong.... I LIKE Lil...and I think she got off on the wrong foot...because she would have fit in so much better on the Drake team...and by the luck of the draw...she ended up on the Morgans...she would be playing a whole different game probably if they had given her a chance in the beginning....but you may be right...I still haven't seen enough of Lil in action to decide totally.