Archive through December 05, 2003
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Archive through December 05, 2003
Catfat | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 02:14 pm     Jon and his grandmother? Jeri and the beef jerky? Neither of these were as bad as Ghandia trying to say that Ted nearly molested her, IMO. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 02:26 pm     i'm still undecided if ghandia was pissed cause ted tried something and didn't finish it, or cause he didn't try something at all! she was a lulu all right! |
Realbiz | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 02:28 pm     oh, don't forget sandra's fish lie. couldn't remember of all the lies but i'm sure there are more. |
Denecee | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 02:34 pm     Most damaging? I don't know but most hurtful was IMO, Jon's lie. Ghandia's lie only hurt Ted and made her look really dumb but Jon's lie played with viewers emotions. |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 02:41 pm     Most damaging? Ghandia's lie could have threatened a marriage. Jerri's lie about the beef jerky made people question Kel's character. Sandra's lie of omission about Christa and the fish may have damaged Christa's chances in the game. All three of these are worse than Jon's with Ghandia's being the worst. Jon's lie only scr*wed one person out of an extended visit with their loved one. They were already crying about seeing their loved ones, the few extra tears, if any, that they shed for Jon were minor. Can anyone think of more lies? I had forgotten all about Ghandia. What a trip that was. |
Cousin_Jake | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 03:06 pm     Jon's lie may last longer than that .... I imagine that he'll be saying "I swear on my Grandmother that I'm telling you the truth" a few times before the game is over. |
Mocha | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 03:15 pm     I believe Ghandia's lie was the most damaging because it could've destroyed Ted's real life marriage and possibly her own. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 03:37 pm     I have to say, Ghandia's.. |
Denecee | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:12 pm     IMO, I still believe that Jon's was worse. I think Ted's wife seen that whole Ghandi lie just like the rest of us did. Again, it's just my opinion. |
Webkitty | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:13 pm     Ghandia's lie was the worst, imo. Jerri's lie about Kel and the beef jerkey cost him in the game, and he reported afterward irl too. Sandra's lie of omission could cost Christa in the game. Jon's lie, eh. Its been speculated all season on the spoiler boards so it didn't come as a big shock to me. I think its bad karma to say someone is dead that is not, but that's HIS problem. I hope his grandmother is at the finale after show. I would love to hear from her what she thought of it. (taking bets that she was in on it) |
Adven | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 04:48 pm     I think Jerri's lie was the worst. She cavalierly suggested something that cut to a person's character on no evidence at all. Sandra's was a lie of omission and, understandable, and, with Ghandia, I'm not convinced she was lying. Embellishing, maybe, and over-reacting, but I'm not convinced that what's his name didn't act inappropriately. |
Lauram | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 06:49 pm     Oh the "Denver Diva"! I still can't believe that Jeff made the voter hold up his hand to confirm he was voting out Ghandia |
Seamonkey | Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 07:55 pm     Don't forget the great granola bar mystery that did Janet in.. |
Denecee | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 07:53 am     I wonder how Lil feels about Jeff saying "Five professional liars left"? At this point I would rather see Jon win over Lil. Lil took an oath as a Boyscout leader, I don't know what exactly the oath says but I'm pretty sure it says something about honesty and integrity. It does not say that it is ok to lie to win a million bucks. Not a very good role model if you ask me. |
Zules | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 07:55 am     Denecee - here's the Boy Scout Oath. I don't know if the Scout Leaders take a different one.... On my honor, I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. |
Zules | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 07:59 am     And here are the 12 points of the Scout Law: A Scout is Trustworthy. A Scout tells the truth. He is honest, and he keeps his promises. People can depend on him. A Scout is Loyal. A Scout is true to his family, friends, Scout leaders, school, and nation. A Scout is Helpful. A Scout cares about other people. He willingly volunteers to help others without expecting payment or reward. A Scout is Friendly. A Scout is a friend to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He offers his friendship to people of all races and nations, and respects them even if their beliefs and customs are different from his own. A Scout is Courteous. A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows that using good manners makes it easier for people to get along. A Scout is Kind. A Scout knows there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. Without good reason, he does not harm or kill any living thing. A Scout is Obedient. A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them. A Scout is Cheerful. A Scout looks for the bright side of life. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy. A Scout is Thrifty. A Scout works to pay his own way and to help others. He saves for the future. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property. A Scout is Brave. A Scout can face danger although he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at him or threaten him. A Scout is Clean. A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He chooses the company of those who live by high standards. He helps keep his home and community clean. A Scout is Reverent. A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others. |
Crossfire | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 07:59 am     Doesn't game theory trump that though? I tend to think that concepts such as misdirection during game play does not constitute a lie. Perhaps a lie should only count as a lie when it is understood by both parties that the truth is being delivered. During gameplay, one should not have any expectation that their opponent will reveal their strategy, and if they do, they should not solicit any information that could reasonably be expected to be answered by misdirection. |
Denecee | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 08:05 am     Maybe so, Crossfire but Lil will be the first one to whine about how somebody lied to her and did her wrong. I just don't think she should continue being a scout leader. Just my opinion. |
Crossfire | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 08:08 am     That is a good point, she will no doubt be quick to object or point the finger. Lets only apply my statement to others then.  |
Keepers | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 08:17 am     The one that Jeff P. in the first tribal council for each tribe when he explained about the torches/fire means life etc. etc. etc. Once the fire is out... etc. etc. etc. Then at two other tribal councils where he state: The tribe has spoken, Lillian, time for you to go home & Burton, time for you to go home. |
Puzzled | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 01:09 pm     If they start booting every scout leader who ever told a lie, that would be the end of scouting. |
Denecee | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 01:58 pm     How about only the ones on national t.v. who have all her little scouts watching? |
Zgoodgirl | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:10 pm     Lil has basically lied about lying. She whines and cries about not being able to lie, or can't lie, or waa waa waa. But lied right to Rupert the day her and Jon came back from Reward. She then goes to Jon whining and a crying that she is scum for lying. But comes back to camp fine and dandy, and Rup is gone that night. I think it's more damaging and more evil saying how moral you are, good you are, and how you can't do anything bad...but than turn around and do the same nasty, backstabbing stuff that you are turning your nose up at. Maybe I just loved my Rupert too much. Or maybe I am being beat down by Lil and her sad puppy dog face everytime she thinks she's going, like she has been betrayed, and something should be rewarded to her for being so loyal. But I think Lil is the nastiest one of the bunch. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 02:18 pm     I remember when I "graduated" from being a Brownie to a Girl Scout. They did this ceremony where we (the Brownies) were, one at a time, asked this question by a Girl Scout and then led over this fake "bridge" into Girl Scout Land. Well, the question we were asked had something to do with these principles and went like, "Do you promise to uphold blah blah blah to be nice to others blah blah blah to tell the truth blah blah blah..." No one had prompted me on this and I am Deaf and I couldn't hear the Girl Scout who had been assigned to me very well. The best I could figure out was that it was a yes or no question and so I took a shot at it and said, "No." The whole room burst into laughter and the little Girl Scout who was supposed to lead me over the bridge didn't know what to do. My parents told me later that the man sitting next to them leaned over and said, "You know she is the only one telling the truth!" This whole exchange kind of reminded me of that, LOL! I didn't stay a Girl Scout very long. |
Texasdeb | Friday, December 05, 2003 - 05:27 pm     Ghandi's little outburst for attention stands out the most to me. Ted was so sincere with his explanation to the others & they were wise enough to get rid of that drama queen. Jon's was pre-planned & part of his overall stratagy (yes, now that I'm over the shock of his lie, I believe grandma was in on it too - or at least aware of it). Sandra didn't lie about the fish. She just didn't confess & let the others blame someone else. |
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