Archive through November 27, 2003
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Archive through November 27, 2003
Caycaye | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 07:31 pm     I can't say how disappointed I am in this week's turn of events for a lot of reasons... FIRST How could Burton and Jon SCREAM at Christa without SEEING her discard the fish...and call her a LIAR, etc....just because they (holier than thou) chose to believe than Sandra didn't do it, or someone else on accident??? I mean...WHO is BURTON that he KNOWS all...He has been WAY too arrogant, and that topped it off for me. I could tell right away instinctively that Christa was innocent. SECOND Even with what happened at the reward challenge, and they all "finding out" about Jon's "death" in the family...how DARE Lil jump on Sandra for her (yes, I'll admit...vindictive behavior)Like it was Lil's business to enter Jon and Sandra's war. How foolish will Lil feel when she realizes his lie. She should have stayed out of it. Now Lil has a dislike for Sandra and Christa based on Burton's bull....and I am disappointed in Lil for that. She wasn't given a "fair chance" right from the beginning with her tribe...and so far, she is doing the same thing to Christa and Sandra THIRD Sandra's behavior was a litle too vindictive toward Burton and Jon, I know...but at least it showed how fiercely loyal and grateful she was to Rupert. That warmed my heart, but I know she hurt herself with the other survivors....that Latin temper has gotten her in a lot of trouble in the past, I'll bet. FOURTH Jon's LIE....Notice how he had to PROD his friend about "how is Grandma?" Jon couldn't even be patient enough for his friend to bring it up....'Nuff said...I HATE him...despicable FIFTH Just when I was soo happy that Ti and Darrah had gone to Sandra and Christa's side...they allowed Jon to promise them the moon for their votes for Burton.....WHAT ARE THEY THINKING???? HE IS A LIAR!!!! Well...I will forgive my "favorites" for their indescretions tonight, and hope they get along better...I STILL will now root for Sandra, Christa and even Lil and Darrah...but the GUYS HAVE TO GO!!! |
Caycaye | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 07:39 pm     OH!!!!! SIXTH I WAS very disappointed that Sandra spilled the fish and allowed Christa to take the blame...but when you think about it....she COULDN'T reveal the truth...or she WOULD have been booted....she was VERY angry and upset after they booted Rupert...she probably half did it on purpose or maybe not...but I don't BLAME her for not admitting it...It was a LOSE/LOSE situation...unfortunate for Christa and Sandra....but, it's over now...and they will forget about it. |
Csnog | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 07:55 pm     Tj got 5 votes, 4 from the original tribe plus Lil so something was up that we didn't get to see. Did Sandra setup Tj to take the fall without her knowing it? |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:33 pm     But, Ti WAS, apparently, (I'm not there quite yet in watching) the one who spilled to Jon about the plan to boot Burton.. at least this time it got her booted.. last time she just had to blab it hurt Nicole. And WHAT is with Lill with this kissing all the guys on the mouth..? Jon barely avoided it when they were sitting on the bleachers and then she planted one on his buddy.. Odd.. did she even kiss her husband? And yeah, I think it changed things.. Jon used his grandma to guilt trip the naive, and not only, as pointed out above, could he not wait to let his friend bring up Grandma, he couldn't wait to "let" his tribemates give up their treat.. he had to lash out at Sandra for DARING to target his friend.. Ti's was some high school flame and they obviously aren't THAT close, they missed almost every question. I really felt for Lill, Christa, Sandra and Darrah losing some time with their mate.. |
Denecee | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:33 pm     I knew he was lying about his grandma. <el> |
Costacat | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:37 pm     Jeff Probst HAD to say the lie didn't affect the outcome of the game. Can you believe the lawsuits by the losing survivors? And CS, it was actually Jon's FRIEND who told the lie. With some quite obvious prodding by Jon. But the friend said he grandmother was gone, and Jon repeated what he said. If Jon wins this Survivor, I will never ever watch this game again. This is NOT outwitting, outplaying, or outlasting. This is cheating and lying, in a most despicable manner (lying without regret, lying with the total intention of gaining advantage). I don't know... tonight's show has left a serious bad taste in my mouth. I'm very disappointed in the producers. (Oh, and didn't Jeff say that he didn't even know about the lie until he got home? BS. You know danged well he knew about it that day!) |
Pascalle | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:40 pm     I loved the whole show. I hope Sandra goes next- can't stand women like her. |
Keepers | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:42 pm     You are right Costacat,Jeff did say he didn't know about it until he got home. That is total BS, he knows about everything, gathers info to prepare himself the the tribal council. He has admitted to this. |
Funny4you | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:56 pm     I can't beleive Jon playing like that! I realize it is a game, and the best mental strategist is sure to win, but I have hated Jon from the beginning! <el> I hope he gets voted off real soon! He swears on his grandma! I can't stand him. |
Gidget | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:29 pm     I love Sandra... she plays well... and I despise Jon but he also plays well. D@mn.. he even pre-planned. Don't like him but admire his Machiavellian mind |
Pannie | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:34 pm     Waving at Gidget - Sandra's great. She's really competing to hang in there - making a deal with the devil (Jon). (p.s. Congrats on your Deadpool score! My score has an error that Bob will have to correct -> for the better too. hehehe) |
Seanflynn2003 | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:45 pm     Not a Jon fan here (can't stand him to be honest), but the only real problem I have with this scam is the smallness of it - why bother? To see a buddy for a day (unless they are more than than, in which case you go boy). This was a contest where it seems to me it would make sense for those who don't have lovers to allow someone who does to win it for strategic reasons and the gratitude involved. And the risk of having this leak out somehow doesn't seem worth it. It seemed smart ass but not smart. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:50 pm     It wasn't to see his buddy, it was to psych everyone into feeling sorry for him, to cause them to give up the chance to see their actual loved ones and thus further weaken and demoralize them (no of course he didn't know it would deprive them of food, but I'm glad he didn't get a feast out of it) and he hopes this will help him get to F2 and then give him a sympathy edge. I bet he came up with it after seeing Jenna win. |
Whoami | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:52 pm     I also agree JP knew about Jon's lie. He didn't sound all that sincere even at the RC, when he told Jon "sorry to hear that." If anything, I'll be the winner's million bucks that JP did know about it come TC time. Of course he knows what's said at confessional. He uses that to prod the cast into slipping up and saying something at TC they maybe didn't want to say! Now, I understand that during the game JP can't go running up to the other survivors and say, "Jon lied you idiots!" That really is up to them to figure out. In fact, they should have been suspicious, what with Jon having to prod his buddy into saying the "bad news." And, Jon really wasn't acting shocked/broken up enough about it. Not to mention, he said his Grandma was supposed to be the loved one to visit? If her health was questionable enough for him to ask how she was, then how in the frick was she supposed to do a visit that would likely include a challenge? Common sense should have alerted them. In fact, I wonder if Sandra was suspicious (by targeting Jon's buddy in the challenge), but everyone jumped her for it, so she decided to go along with it. For JP to lie to us and say he didn't know about it till he got home....come on now. And, as despicable as Jon is in setting up this repulsive lie, it is equally (maybe even more) deplorable that MB and JP actively used this lie as a promo. By doing so, they've endorsed this type of behavior. And, as others have said, opened the door even wider for future players to use such tactics. |
Crossfire | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:58 pm     It was particularly nasty in that he had already 'stolen' his sympathy card as soon as they met, he then proceeded to berate the others when they started walking his pal off the plank. That was pretty nasty, and unnecessary. But the real value in all of this was not a night out with his buddy, its that he can now 'sign seal and deliver' every word out of his mouth now by swearing it on his granny. |
Caycaye | Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 10:54 pm     TRUE Whoami!!! And did you also pick up at Tribal Council, as I did, the smirk and TONE of Jeff Probst's voice, when he said something to Jon like...."the turn of events and who would have believed that Jon's grandmother would "up and die" like that? " UP and DIE???? He sounded very irreverant to me, and Jon looked VERY uncomfortable like Jeff was going to BUST Jon for his lie, right then and there.... Where was Jon's smirk during Tribal Council when Jeff was asking about his grandmother....Jon was SQUIRMING!!! |
Tdog | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 01:55 am     OK I am new so I am not sure if this is the right place but I am so IRRITATED!!! I hate Jon, just now getting to watch this and just can't even beleive it! I think Jeff knew something was up beacuse otherwise why wouldn't the family had contacted the show???? I think Jeff knows something is up and also Sandra or Sondra whichever it is. I can't beleive that everyone fell for it. Alright just had to take time out and vent. |
Okiekerriella | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:11 am     1) I felt soooo bad for Christa tonight. Sandra definately went down several notches in character to me for letting Christa get treated the way she did. However, I am not really surprised by Sandra not owning up to her actions because of her saying things like, "As long as its not me on the chopping block then I don't care." On the other hand I LOVED that she got rid of the fish that RUPERT caught so those that voted him off wouldn't be able to benefit from his hard work. 2) I have been hoping every week that this would be the week that Jon is voted off because he is such a pain in the rear. But I found that the last couple of weeks even though I don't like him any better I have become intrigued by his strategy. My husband watches wrestling so I am pretty familiar with the way the wrestlers behave on camera and have seen enough interviews or biographies on them to know that they are very rarely anything like the characters they portray on the shows. (My husband calls wrestling soap operas for men. LOL) I am starting to think that Jon approached the show as he would a character for the wrestling world. Most often the more desirable roles in wrestling are the ones where they can be the bad guy. And very often lately the entire McMahon family has been involved in one dramatic storyline after another that I personally feel crosses the line of good taste. I am not saying I personally agree with this but if this is the world Jon is on the outskirts of and aspires to become a part of then I am sure these are the people he draws inspiration from. SOOOO The point I guess I am trying to make is that...It is possible that when Jon decided to try out for Survivor that he is treating it as a role like any other he might play out in the wrestling arena. After looking at his actions and behavior from a wrestling fans point of view I find it VERY similiar to anything I have recently seen on WWE with hubby. Who knows maybe his intent isn't to win the million but rather to get noticed by mainstream wrestling. If that is the case I wouldn't be surprised to see him 6 months from now "managing" one of the wrestlers because from a wrestling point of view I would say he is doing very well on the show. (Even though it surprises the heck out of me to be saying so!) 3) Why the heck did Sandra take Ti to eavesdrop on Burton and Jon to gain her alliance (which I thought was a brilliant move by the way!) only to turn around and vote her out? If I were Ti and either Sandra or Christa made it to the final 2 there is no way I would ever vote for either of them now. Over all I thought it was an excellent show, probably the best Survivor I have ever seen because so much was going on that was pretty major EVERY segment. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:25 am     Can someone explain the logic in voting T out tonight? I have no clue. It made no sense at all. It does not help Sandra in the least. So now Sandra and Christa are two against three? wow. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:31 am     Oh.......the staging of Jons lie was pathetic. Why no one except Jeff, picked up on that is beyond me. "Didnt you get the letter?" Why would someone snail mail that news?! Bad acting. We may see next week that they discuss if it is true since somewhere it said it takes two weeks to unfold. |
Starshine40 | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 04:54 am     Part of Jeff's job is viewing the "daily rushes" of film so he knows what has been happening. So by the time tribal council came he would have known that Jon was lying! Wish he would have outed him! |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:05 am     Yes, of course but I think he knew the minute he said it. |
Starshine40 | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:21 am     I agree Fruitbat, the photographers who are with them the whole time must have cell phones to communicate with in case of an emergency or something important. I'm sure they would have advised the powers that be of the lie right away! |
Kep421 | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:36 am     I'm thinking Jeff found out about the lie, and removed the real REWARD, the one we didn't see. The filming part of Jeff telling Jon and his buddy about the "reward" appeared very forced and fake. Jeff appeared pissed...and Jon and his buddy were agreeing like they understood why the reward was what it was. My personal take on this is they staged the reward announcement AFTER Jon et al were congratulating themselves on camera. JMHO |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 05:59 am     In the the past two Survivors the loved one returned to camp and joined the entire tribe. Remember Kathy's son and I believe it was Helens husband? If they changed this at all it was to send the others away so they could get good footage of them discussing and congratulating themselves. |
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