Ep 7 Title: What could it mean?
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Ep 7 Title: What could it mean?
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 07:51 am     Okay, I think the TDT/Survivor Phoenix scenario is going to be the right one. TDT is very careful about wording things as factual or speculative, and they say "TDT and Survivor Phoenix have learned..." Do you guys remember during S5 when they got the scoop on it being a Brian/Clay final 2? They worded it in a similar way: "The True Dork Times has learned that the final two are Brian and Clay." It is still there if you want to go check. They defended themselves endlessly against people who tried to pick it apart and they swore it was NOT speculation. With that, I think they KNOW and this IS what is going to happen, so for me I am going to focus on who could be leaving from Drake and who could be leaving from Morgan. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 08:13 am     Drake's pick to boot-- seems obvious that it would be Jon. Too obvious? Misdirection? And remember Snewser upgraded his status. If Jon plays his cards right, focus could shift back to Shawn. Up until now, Jon was far better liked by his tribemates than Shawn. I think he pulls it off. Buh bye Shawn. Morgan's pick to boot-- Osten quitting is misdirection again, IMHO. Tijuana is not going to want to let him go, and he seems to have strong alliance with Andrew as well. Ryan O or Darrah seem more vulnerable and spoilers point more towards Ryan because Darrah is supposed to go quite far. Buh bye Ryan. Two people voted back in... This is trickier, I think. I really thought Trish would be one of them. That was a huge part of my argument for her being booted last week. Lillian just seems to have dropped too many clues and it has been overdone. Misdirection, IMHO. However, most other sites really seem to be leaning towards Lillian, so what do I know? I don't think we can count on her torch being a clue, though, because if TWO players are coming back, but hers is the only torch that didn't go out, I think that is meaningless in pointing to her specifically. I think it was just a general clue. However, TDT thinks Lillian would be better liked than Trish. And if it is Trish and Burton, that makes TWO Drakes and that doens't seem likely either. So I really don't know! Also consider that Trish will have had the least amount of bonding time with LL. It may be harder for her to recruit votes, especially with Michelle and Burton who will view her as a betrayer. They cannot vote for themselves. We have: Burton- ? Trish- ? Michelle- would likely vote for Burton Lillian- ? Ryan- would likely vote for Lillian Nicole- Lillian? So despite my strong argument for Trish coming back, I am now joining the Lillian camp. For now! I still think her clues were over the top and indicate misdirection. Man, I am confused! But for Trish to come back, it probably means that Burton does not. I don't see how Trish would recruit the votes. What exactly were the spoilers that have him coming back? Are they as reliable as the older woman spoilers? Weren't there three that were believed to be possibles-- an older woman, a man and another woman. Maybe there is a three way tie with the votes. Do you guys think the GT could agree to split their votes that way and try to get THREE people back in the game? But then that doesn't fit with the TDT spoiler of it being two people. I need to shut up. I am confusing myself. |
Webkitty | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 10:45 am     Yea! Hemione is back! I like how you always try to think outside the box, girl Even if it doesn't pan out, at least its something to think about. Mr411 over at SSB (sucks spoiler board) has posted that Burton gets a visit from his mom later. There is also a spec that a man with a beard makes F3. Other than Rupert, Burton is the only man that I can see who would have a heavy/dark beard enough to make this the standout feature for decription. I think he is a shoe-in for a return spot. I don't think Osten quitting is mis-direction. I'm still stubbornly thinking that he quits AND Morgan has to vote out one player. I'm also on the Trish comes back bandwagon. She mis-judged and made a play to oust Rupert too soon, but I don't "hate" or her anything for that. I still think she has what it takes to fulfill the "superwoman" return/challenge spoiler. More so than Lil. Lil was ok in challenges, but Trish was a bulldog. Maybe, if Osten does quit, the GT gets to return 3 players instead of two. That would satisfy the rumors that 3 GT members got back in. Maybe, there is a competition for the 2 returnees. Then, Osten quits, so they have to go to a reverse TC to VOTE 1 GT member back in. That would satisfy the spoiler that a "superwoman" won a challege to get back in, and still let the other "older" woman get back in by a vote. <needs to shut up too>  |
Alaginger | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 11:17 am     Supposedly the GT vote amongst themselves to get two players back in, not a challenge. If Osten quits, then there might be a 3rd one. Based on all the spoilers we have recently, that's the only way I see that there would be 3 coming back in, instead of 2. My question would be, if Osten quits, when does he quit. If he quits before Morgan picks somebody to leave....then Morgan could just say "We pick Osten". So, let's say that Osten asks them to boot him, and they don't.......somebody walks. Then Osten steams over it and then quits - then you might have that 3rd person come in. I'm leaning that he doesn't quit, that he talks the group into voting him out, because otherwise he says "I'm going to quit!" |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 12:38 pm     I'm so confused! If it is Trish that comes back in, how does she get people to vote for her to come back? I'm having trouble with that part, but at the same time I just CAN'T see it be Lillian! I mean, I can, but truly do not see her being "allowed" to make those comments at her post interviews if she was really coming back. Why would she get that leeway and no one else? That is why I think she was told to do so to play with people's heads, but is not actually one of the people coming back. Burton does have quite a beard and his being around for the family challenge would account for how some spoilers had him gone, and others had him lasting. I really don't think Osten will quit. Are you sure it is not just wishful thinking on your part? Andrew and Tijuana won't let him, especially with the merge coming... they need him in their alliance to keep their numbers strong. Osten is a whiner, but I don't think he would carry it that far, IMHO. The only other thing I can think of with it being 3 people coming back in is maybe it was a three-way tie (6 people on the GT, 3 people get 2 votes each) and MB lets all 3 on. No purple rock needed! It would definitely shake the numbers up more than 2 would and give the GT a fighting chance not to be picked off. I'm going out of town tomorrow evening. Erlack! I don't know what I will do without a computer Thursday! |
Webkitty | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 01:28 pm     LOL Herm, you know I ALWAYS stay impartial on Survivor contestants! Anyway, I tend to agree with you. I can't see Lil being able to convince the GT to let her represent over Trish. Trish has been in sales all her life. Watch her audition tape on the CBS site. She has excellent verbal skills and until she made her move too early on Rupert, she WAS the hidden leader and power behind Drake. Lil may be a very sweet person irl, but I think the GT will be out for bloody revenge and would pick little ~bulldog in challenges~ Trish over ~works hard at camp~ LIL Plus, there is Trish's chat statement. She is still Drake all the way and has no hard feelings. She said: "To this day, I hope that a Drake wins the million dollars" If Lil and Darrah are the F2, then Trish is doing a great job of mis-direction or SHE is the "older" woman at F2. Also, I just think Lil dropped too many hints post boot. I like that idea that the GT deliberatly forces a three way tie, gambling that they might get 3 back in instead of 2. Anything could happen. The shark has jumped. |
Alaginger | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 01:29 pm     Yeah Hermie.........I think it is just wishful thinking on my part. CBS is just messing with us again, and Osten probably isn't going anywhere! I'm afraid I agree with your earlier post and Trish doesn't stand a chance to be voted back in. Quite frankly, I don't like this voting thing to get back in. I think a competition would have been much more fair and a lot more entertaining to watch. But TDT and Survivor Phoenix say they vote and can't vote for themselves, so I guess that's it (BAH...Humbug!!!) Have you thought about getting the phone number of a team player before you leave? Call them for updates on Thursday to see if you want to change your picks. I know you have the communication problem, but somebody would help you out!!! |
Surreal_Badger | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 01:50 pm     some thoughts on the votes for ghosties to come back. if they get to vote only amongst tribe members, then i could see how lil is selected. lil would vote for ryan s, but ryan s and nicole would vote for lil (i mean, can you imagine nicole voting ryan back in?!?!) and with the drake vote, i see michelle and trish both voting for burton and burton voting for michelle (beautiful people stick together) |
Surreal_Badger | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 01:56 pm     News on "the big regret"? again from SURVIVOR PHOENIX October 28, 2003 Jeff appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres show on 10/28. Here is a transcript of the portion of the show which dealt with Survivor. Read more... Ellen: So, now tell me about what's going with Survivor right now? Jeff: Survivor is ... We're out in the Pearl Islands. The whole theme this season is piracy and this week is ... if you are a Survivor fan, a huge week. Because it's a really big twist and it sort of changes the game. It seems so silly sometimes to be talking about it with such reverence, but, you know, it's a Reality show and we put in a really cool twist this time. And there's a guy that does something. You know, this is a show about human nature and about how you react in stressful situations. Ellen: Yes. Jeff: And there's a guy this week that, that ... something happens to that i think they're going to regret for a long, long time. Ellen: Really? Jeff: Yeah. And, I think it's one of those things, when you watch the show and you're seeing real people make decisions that, that may, that may haunt them for a while. |
Ninja_157 | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 02:42 pm     Is it just me, or does JP sound like something happened that might not necessarily have to be only about the game? I can't see a decision "haunting" someone for a long time, even if it means losing the game. Maybe there is a personal type of attack? Name calling (meaning something serious like a racial slur) or hitting? This would be something that would follow you after the game. |
Catfat | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 02:54 pm     I really think Lillian is going to be coming back into the game and get to the F2 or 3. The early clue about her torch not going out is very typical of MB, but I tend to think it is not a red herring. And she had a MAJOR makeover, even better than Tina, I that that's what she did with her money. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 03:16 pm     I have to go to class... I will check back in the morning. That's part of why I can't maintain any momentum... I'm taking TWO college ASL classes in addition to working full-time. BLEAH! Maybe somebody here can vote for me by proxy! LOL! |
Mware | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 03:29 pm     Maybe I'm just looking at something as being obvious that really isn't, but wouldn't a decision by Osten to leave the game at this point be something that would haunt him for a long time? He'd be known as the only contestant ever to quit Survivor. I think that's a decision he'd regret for quite a while. Not to mention, he would likely get a substantial amount of teasing for it. |
Gen | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 04:32 pm     Mware, I agree, that would be a major decision that would affect him for some time. On SSN they quote friends as saying that he came back saying something to the effect that it was very tough. Maybe it was tough enough for him to opt out. |
Surreal_Badger | Tuesday, October 28, 2003 - 05:21 pm     i'm not sure whether i can firmly commit to the osten-is-quitting camp (although i am a card-carrying member of the osten-is-a-quitter camp -- slight difference, only slight), i do think osten would regret quitting, particularly in hindsight since morgan seems to dominate the final #s. perhaps, if he'd stayed in, he could've been there too. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, October 29, 2003 - 10:40 am     TDT now says, "Part 1: SurvivorPhoenix and the True Dork Times have learned that the six current bootees will have one chance to compete for a return slot in the game. If they win (and SNN says they do), Morgan and Drake will each be forced to boot one of their players. After that, the tribe of bootees will vote among themselves to return one of their own to each tribe." Seems likely that it will be one Drake and one Morgan. No tie. Sounds like all 6 vote on who goes to Drake AND who goes to Morgan. |
Stilllurking | Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 04:50 am     Herm, If 1 person goes back to each of their tribes doesn't that set them up to be the very next ones voted out again! I would think that all the Tribe members that haven't had their torch snuffed would ban together to oust those let back in. So how then could 1 of the GT make it to the final 2? I think MB would not want that to happen, as it makes the Twist pretty lame. IMHO, there has to be more to it then 2 GT members getting back into the game. i realize that the spoilers say the elder woman wins the II but she can't win them all. How does she stay so long in the game? Oh, I've done it again, confused myself and made absolutely no sense at all. lol |
Surreal_Badger | Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 06:18 am     still, i think that by the end of part 2 of "what the. . ." we'll see the merge. and yes, perhaps one of these folks will be booted (burton more likely to be deemed a threat than lil, imho). but i think once the merge occurs, there'll be "bigger fish" to fry -- andrew, rupert, and you KNOW that everyone will be gunning for jon's scrawny butt (unless they see him as a perfect F2 partner -- gawd, i hope not). |
Surreal_Badger | Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:42 am     snewser's picks are up: drum roll please . . . . . . osten and shawn, with checkmarks (YAHOO!!!!!!!) and snewser's scorecard has been revised as well, with andrew, rhino, christa, and rupert receiving thumbs down. no indication of who returns -- burton? trish? lil? michelle? all still have "mixed signals" on the scorecard |
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