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Catfat

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll say this about Osten--he is certainly no Big Ted (one of my favourites of all time).

Watching2

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I got a bit of a different impression of Jeff questioning Osten and the others. While it did seem like he was picking on him a bit, I also took it that he was letting everyone else give their view and get Osten to think AGAIN if he REALLY WANTED TO STILL QUIT. It seemed like he was probing to see if Osten might change his mind, more or less to make SURE this is what he wanting to do since there would be no going back once it was done.

Also, I can understand being annoyed with him. There are thousands and thousands of other people who would have given anything to be in his place. He did nothing but whine and complain and want to quit from almost the beginning. My DH said they should have voted him out the first time.

That being said, I do think it was good that Osten just offered to go when he really didn't want to be there. It would have been worse if someone who really wanted to be there got voted off and then Osten just ending up going later. I mean what did Osten expect there? Has he never watched the show? All he did is complain about everything, almost like he thought they'd be staying in a 4**** hotel or something!

Oh well Osten, don't let the torch hit you in the butt on your way out........ :)

Caycaye

Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just watched Osten's "next day comments" on Yahoo Survivor Insider. Osten still is unrepentent for leaving on his own. They obviously kept questioning him hard...the same way Jeff P. did, but Osten didn't change his story. He was out of energy for the game, body and heart. He says that to him ...his body and heart are ONE. He said that everyone can think whatever they want to about him, but Osten fulfilled his promise to himself, and that is all that matters to him. Osten says he came for $1 million...PERIOD....He knew he hated this kind of lifestyle, and that it he would be way out of his element, but thought he would give it a try for the money. He told himself before he came there, that if his body told him it had enough...then he would heed the signs and leave. He said he had lost 35 lbs. in 18 days, and had at one time spit up blood, and he knew he had enough. His health was worth more than $1 million to him, and that if people wanted to label him a loser or think of Osten as "the first survivor contestant to quit"...then so be it...he could not care any less.

Fabnsab

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 12:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was his right to leave but he should have done it sooner when he asked skinny Ryan to vote him out. He knew he was done then. He was a liability then but he stayed and, imo, hurt that tribe. Ryan or Lil could have helped them more because of their strength of mind.

I don't think Jeff was too hard on him. I think he asked the questions most people wanted to hear. Julie Chen never asks the pointed questions on BB and it frustrates me. Its refreshing to see a host NOT beat around the bush.

Fruitbat

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 02:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
........and he would have been voted out anyway. He was Morgans obvious choice.

Kep421

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 04:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not upset about Osten leaving... it had to happen, sooner or later. I'm glad it was sooner.

I think the he way he left would not be viewed so negatively if he hadn't given up during the very first week. Osten gave up in his heart then. He decided this wasn't for him and only stayed because T and Andrew talked him into staying. I think that is what we haven't seen in Osten's interviews... the work it took from his tribemates to keep him there that long. I think that is what disappointed Jeff.

Had Osten did his best during his time there and then asked to be voted out in the best interest of his tribe, he would be seen as a hero. Sadly... that didn't happen.

Lorry

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Osten, IMO, gave up in episode 2, but he hung on. He didn't want to hang on, he wanted to leave, but to give him his due.... he did hang on... with help from his team.

I'm glad he's left. I'm sorry he couldn't take it. He was nice to look at, but he did the right thing by asking to be voted out.

We could spend hours, and post dozens of posts calling him a quitter, a wuss and say he let down him team. I'm sure Osten will hear enough of that to last him a lifetime. A poor decision should not mark him as a loser. We simply do not know what was going on inside of his mind.

I wish him luck. I hope he is not made to feel any worse for this decision.

Enigma2

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Maris up above: You may not like your job, and want to quit, but you should wait and think about the consequences, before you do-the-deed. Once Osten had gotten through half of the experience (and had not yet been voted-out), he should have at least made a bigger effort to stay. A dumb move.

Whit4you: Osten's lists his occupation at investment manager. 500K could have provided a nice profit in even a 10 yr. period... Invest; invest...

Csnog

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
7th voted off gets $45k.

Kaili

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right- so technically he was voted off, right? I wish I could tell the people running the Survivor News game that- I didn't get any voted off points for him because they consider him a quit. Just because they didn't vote on paper doesn't mean he wasn't voted off. If he had flat out quit (as in during a challenge or something) then it would be differet because Morgan would have still had to vote someone out.

Gidget

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see Osten as quitting. He wanted to be voted out and when he wasn't he kept playing. And coincidentally it was about that time Morgan started winning, too.

Jeff asked the other 4 if they wanted to continue. They all said the only way they were leaving was by vote or collapse.

Osten wasn't interested in collapsing. So in a way he did a great thing for his 4 tribemates. SOMEONE had to go last night. Morgan managed it without undue stress. Let's remember that.

Hobbs

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching2 said exactly what I was thinking. Great post, Watching2.

Webkitty

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess SEG is considering him a voted off instead of a quit because he is making the media rounds.
He was just on the Early Show with Shawn, and I hope someone can post the transcript at tvch at some point.
I taped it, and I'm glad I did because I could not believe my ears at first.
When asked if Jeff was really that mad, Osten said: Jeff Probst is a coward at times, so yea, he was mad.

I thought I had so much to say about Osten, and was going to exercise my right to free speech, but I'll just say I think the poor boy has a teeny tiny little brain and leave it at that. It doesn't matter what a mountain of a man the body is packaged in, if the brain is too dim and self-centered, it won't be able to "make" the body do anything. Worst.Survivor.Ever.

Watching2

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Hobbs! GMTA!!! :):):)

Webkitty

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching, good post. I am still curious to see what MB has to say about all this.

Surreal_Badger

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
although i agree with your assessment webkitty "Osten = worst survivor ever," i am enough of a cynic to question whether or not MB and crew CAST him in this role. Not to quit, mind you, but to have a tougher time in the show than his muscular body would suggest. i mean, the guy couldn't swim?!? he was afraid of pelicans?!? he feared getting pneumonia from living in the tropics?!?
didn't all this stuff come out in the pre-game interviews?!?

that said, i can't muster any sympathy for osten. and i am happy happy happy than skinny ryan will no longer be dubbed the "weak" "loser" of s7.

Immunity_Man

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's my take on Osten. If he wants to quit and go home... fine. I think he did the right thing by letting himself be voted out and removing himself as a negative force within the tribe. Even Jeff Probst said that Morgan may get better now that Osten is gone.

In some ways Osten is courageous. How you ask? Because anyone who can go on National Television and cry, whine, complain, gripe, half-way drown, run from pelicans, complain about being sore and weak while having the best body of any survivor ever, let a woman beat him in a strength contest, AND STILL HAVE THE NERVE TO SHOW HIS FACE ON A MORNING TALK SHOW IS COURAGEOUS!

I am not saying it wasn't rough out there. I'd never do Survivor because I know I couldn't take those types of living conditions. But Osten wasted my time, your time, the tribemates' time, Jeff Probst's time, and MB's time by not weighing the costs before committing. He really his one huge disappointment in Reality Televison.

I think he will regret his decision one day because I can imagine him going to a job interview and being overlooked, not because of race or lack of education but because of a lack of fortitude, teamwork, and a complete failure to follow through.

Djgirl

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 07:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Immunity-Man - YOU SAID IT!!!!

He definitely let everyone down - by not removing himself when he was first going to and taking out someone who had the heart to persevere and give his ALL to the team, he let EVERYONE down. Skinny Ryan wasn't given the chance (even though he creeps me out by looking so much like my ex boyfriend! lol), and according to himself, he is a very talented athlete who wasn't given a chance. I only hope that he is one of the ones to be voted back in - probably a dream, but he deserves the chance.

Enigma2

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There's a good attorney lurking somewhere in Kaili, up above. She presents a good argument. If there are any benefits owed to Osten (as 7th to be voted-out), they should be forfeited, 'cause he quit...

I agree that Osten should have been booted the first time he said that he wanted to quit. It might have given some of the other Morganites (say, Lil) more of a chance to 'prove-her-value.'(And I never understood why Andrew kept backing Osten, when he was either ineffectual at comps., was afraid of just about everything that he encountered, and was just a general over-all 'downer.')

Tijuana, after staying neutral in my estimation for so long, went up a notch or two last evening.

Ladytex

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, I see things a bit differently. I don't particularly like Osten, but I am not going to dog him out about last nite. He told them in week 2 that he was ready to go home. He's a city boy (and there are many urbanites that have never had to swim, hunt, fish, or camp) that got his physique by working out in a gym and taking care of his body. He's obviously, and understandably, proud of that body. If he worked so hard to get that body and then he sees that in 18 days he lost 35 lbs., he was not eating properly or nutritiously (sp?), he was not in his element and thus would not win the individual challenges, then yes, he did the right thing in leaving. Who knows why he came on, he may have been approached because of his body. Do we know if he applied or was he recruited? If he has never experienced any of the hardships, he maybe didn't know how he would fare. So, maybe, he came on to test himself. He didn't like how things were turning out, he didn't like how his health was being affected (I would be concerned with spitting up blood, too), so he decided enough was enough.

Texannie

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 08:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did they show him spitting up blood or did he just say he was?

Fruitbat

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ladytex. Good points. I agree. No big deal and totally his choice.

Daydreamer

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Everyone makes excellent points, both pro and con, but if Osten watched any of the previous Survivors, he knew how harsh the living conditions could and would be. I would never apply because I know I wouldn't last even one day out there. I just think it's unfortunate that someone who really would have liked to play the game wasn't given a chance because Osten was picked instead.

Misslibra

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As Savage said Osten checked out. You could see it in his eyes his heart and mind wasn't in it. Osten had left the building before he had actually left the building folks. I was glad he asked his tribe to let him go. He would not have helped them.

I also think Jeff and MB was giving everyone notice if you quit, your send off will be embarrassing. Like Jeff said there are to many people who want to be on Survivor.

Gen

Friday, October 31, 2003 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One of Osten's excuses for quitting was to take care of his "Temple". Over on the CBS site, under his activities, he lists as one of his favorite things as going out boozing with his buddies. This activity does not honor his "Temple".