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Lostintheglades

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 04:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know about the lie but I think the regret will be voting Rupert off because now they will all be starving and wishing they had some fish.

Stilllurking

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I think I finally have an opinion that might hold some water. I think that Jon is the liar and he set it up before he left for The Pearl Islands. I think the big lie revolves around the "devestating news" that Jon receives next week. I think he planned for a family member to call MB and tell him that Jon's mother/father died. Maybe it will be done at the family visit, if that turns out to be next week. In any case, that could be why Jeff's opinion of him changed, because he decides to stick it out in the Pearl Islands and win the game in memory of his recently departed. Jeff honors not quiting at any cost. So Jon gains sympathy and respect, when it is revealed that it was a lie set up by Johnny (Fairplay -my a@@), I can see Jeff saying the "MF".
Remember, Jeff said in an earlier interview that the survivors could create any kind of background story they wanted to but it had not been done until this season and it was "genius".
Wow, that turned into a long winded post!

Dee

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You might be right - that all fits.

Dang, I'm going to be really ticked off if Jon wins this thing by lying about a family member dying and thus generating sympathy. First BB4 ended up with two "evil" people at the end and now Evil Jon might win Survivor?

Ugh, I can't take it anymore!!! LOL

Texannie

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That really could make JP say mofo..would me too! You could be right.

Jagger

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was thinking the same thing Stilllurking, I think Jon would be the only one to be able to pull something like this off. He'll get sympathy from some of the others, which may keep him around for an extra week or two, but I still don't think it will get him to the end.

I also don't think he'll say anyone died, but maybe that someone is deathly ill and he really wishes he could be there for them but he has made a commitment to the show so he'll stick it out, really tug on the heart strings of his fellow castmates

Fruitbat

Friday, November 21, 2003 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
His grandmother "died". The promo says Grandmother of a lie. I think he thought of it at the visit. They all get a moment with their family whether they win or not. He didnt even have to clue the family member in. They all go off never to be seen by the castaways again. Could have dawned on him on the way back from the challenge. He obviously tells them back at camp from the screen caps.

Stilllurking

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, I agree w/ you. I didn't catch the "grandmother of all lies". That sure would have caused Jeff to react the way he did.
If this turns out to be the case, what little respect I have for Jon will be gone. Not that I enjoy his act now.

Lorry

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that we have not seen the lie yet, but it sounds like something Jon would do... lie about someone in his family dying... Jon just might change the face of this game to where anything goes and no lie too far out to tell. I hope not, I enjoyed his antics but this might be too much.

Lori

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow...I hope this is not the case. How repulsive!

Missy2

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW - that is HORRIBLE. I would be really ucked out if this guy won!! WOW.

Maris

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As bad as that lie is, I dont think it would be the worst lie on Survivor. To me the worst lie was Jerri's lie about the beef jerkey. Her lie got someone thrown out.

Llkoolaid

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That was a big one Maris. I don't have a problem with any of the lying but I am a bit superstitous so I wouldn't be telling any lies about family being sick or dying. Don't tempt fate, it just might up and smack you in the face.

Maris

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
true Ll, I am assuming that the grandmother he says dies has already moved on to the great beyond. It would be pretty nasty if the woman was still alive.

Twiggyish

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang that would be awful.

Lori

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Me too LlKoolaid...I was thinking the very same thing.

Schoolmarm

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm....I'm betting on the dying/dead grandmother as the lie. He's the right age for having many grandparents die (like 4-6 per semester!).

Just got a sob story email from one of my college students. Haven't seen her for three weeks. On Wednesday, grandma was given less than 10 days to live. So we shouldn't be surprised if she isn't in class right before or after Thanksgiving.

Hate to say it, but I rarely buy the dead grandma story unless they bring in the memorial/obit OR I see them before they leave and they are visibly distraught. Of course the really good theater majors have to bring in the funeral bulletin.

Murphy's law would rear up and Jon's "very much alive" grandmother could actually fall ill and die because of the shock of hearing about her demise on the show!

Scribe

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm superstituious too - at least about lying about death - beef jerky I could manage - not nice but - lying about death is a Faustian wager - they never work out well in the end - and the end is not the end of the show I guess -

Konamouse

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
or, Jon's grandmother had already died before the show started. So the lie would be that she was still alive when he left the US.

Maris

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lol School, I actually know of someone who used the excuse that his wife died for not showing up to work. This was back in the eighties in the heyday of the cocaine use in boardrooms. This guy was a lawyer and was a heavy coke user.

When he used the excuse that his wife died, a few weeks later he didnt show up to work and said he had to take his wife to the emergency room, when he was questioned about her death he replied oh yea but she came back to life. He ended up being fired after scaring the heck out of the poor illegal cleaning woman (translation not a word of english). She went in to clean his office and found him hiding under a desk and he popped out and said boo. She went running out of the office and refused to return to work. Investigators showed up the next day and started vacuuming up white powder from his desk. He was fired for taking bereavement leave for a wife that didnt die.

Texannie

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW Maris..what a loon! LOL
I am superstitious too and that will totally creep me out if that's the lie, but it makes perfect sense.

Starlymae

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can anyone tell me where I can find the posts from Mr.411 and Snewser?

Gen

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Star, I've seen them on Survivor Sucks spoiler threads.

http://pub207.ezboard.com/bsurvivorsucks

Starlymae

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Gen. Also I would like to find a chat room to talk survivor anyone know a good one?

Pamy

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
this one Starly...we usually are there around 630pm, pacific time

Starlymae

Sunday, November 23, 2003 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When you say this one, that means I just go to the top and click on chat. What room?