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Lorry

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 08:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was reading some of the posts and it appears I am not alone in having begun to lose interest. My reasons for losing interest are totally selfish... If I had played baseball as a child, I am sure I would have been one of those kids that takes the ball home when I did not win...lol

However, another reason for losing interest is that from now on... Survivor will no longer be the same. Each Survivor show will now be filled with blatant liars, horrendous cruelty (like what was done to Christa tonite) and crossing the line.

What line? Well, I cannot speak for others, but for myself... Jon crossed that line tonite.

So it will be from now on. Each Survivor will have more and more Jon like people. The lies will become larger, and the treatment of fellow players will become cruel and malicious to one another.

There will be nothing but people like Jon, lying about his own grandmother's death, June and Allison attacking innocent children... hell, we all know Michael Jackson will not go to jail, and if Mark Garegos has anything to say, the world will be in fear of speaking up about further child molestations. If you know of a child being abused in any way.... shut up unless you are God himself/herself, or you will be arrested.. and the abuser free to laugh at you.

Is there really any reason to watch these people now? They are no longer surviving, or playing a game... the game is over... it's all about hatred and lies and treachery now.

I wouldn't give a plug nickle for Lil. I wouldn't give her the time of day.

I can overlook the others.. even Jon.. he's not even human to my mind... but Lil.. She is supposed to help form the minds of the young. She has no mind. No common sense... she's as greedy, and as mean spirited as Jon.

OK... rant over...lol JMO

Chieko

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I know it sure has changed the face of BB. I really did enjoy it the first year when they all liked each other and agonized over eliminations instead of the hateful awful scheming we saw this time. Paradise Hotel was full of hatefulness---- and I really don't like bringing back eliminated people. They did this on Paradise Hotel, Joe Millionaire II and now Survivor and I don't think it adds anything to the game except disgust on the viewers part. ( Yeah, I know, Linda was a sweet girl on JM but she didn't have to put up with the torture that Cat did and I don't think she deserved to come back) For Survivor I would like to see no jury voting ----just down to two people and one last competition. A real Survivor!!! No egos or jealousy ---Jenna over Matt was a travesty.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still enjoy the whole package.. watching, east coast spoiling, spoiling all week, playing the games, posting here..

But to me the shark landed and was jumped when they allowed booted players back into the game and what Jon did tonight; even the shark probably regurgitated.

I agree about Lill.. I would not want her anywhere near a child I loved.

Caycaye

Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lorry...I totally agree...I really thought I liked Lil...but tonight...I couldn't BELIEVE her hypocrisy!!! SHE...of all people saying that Lil wasn't given a fair chance.....right off the bat...has done the same thing to Sandra and Christa from a bunch of bull she heard from Burton, who was booted by them...and "making up her mind" about Christa lying, and Sandra having no right to hate Jon...HEY..maybe they KNOW better than her????? Maybe Christa was innocent??? Did Lil never "give that a chance?"

Poor Christa...I was disappointed for her and at Sandra...but in light of all of the animosity at the time...there really was NOTHING Sandra could have done but keep quiet. They were after both of them, and any excuse would do. I know Sandra never IMAGINED Burton would ATTACK Christa like that with absolutely NO proof...and every one else sitting back...

I would have atleast said. ""Hey, hey Burton...come on...no one saw anything, and it is wrong to assume...You never really know"...

I was VERY disappointed in Lil...Jon...not so much...I already wrote him off.

Magicjet

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Jon, he is a player. I don't think there is any rule about lying in Survivor. The people who I can never stand are the <>.I don't like these people in daily life either and suspect they are all canidates for the John Birch Society or some other equally right wing wack group. They always try to ruin every game by trying to inforce rules that have no business in the game in the first place . The name of the game is SURVIVOR. You manage to survive doing whatever it takes. Has Survivor jumped the shark? Not hardly<>.

Surfgirl

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 01:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Magicjet:
No, there has never been a rule about lying in Survivor..but in life there is a un-written rule about crossing certain lines..and Jon did that tonite.
I have never really "loved Jon" but never have hated him either.. and I admit I have laughtd at some of the things he's pulled!!
But to me, actions speak way louder than words, and Jons actions tonite spoke volumes.
And no.. I am not condensending, judgemental,and so very far from holier than thou, that my halo is around my ankles!

Yes the name of the game is Survivor...Outlast, Outplay, Outwit.....
Not be a nitwit ,you want Springer...well go watch Jonny Fairlpays Granny.. by his own words .. she will be on there soon!!

Pantageas

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 02:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
While some people may consider Jon's lie as "low" or "line-crossing", I see it as "eh". I know people who have claimed as much to take an extra day off of work, or to get out of helping an acquaintance move. And the people told those lies will NEVER be told the truth. Jon will be yelling "Gotcha!" to his tribemates in just a few weeks. Sandra didn't seem overly sympathetic to him anyway. And guess what - I don't fault Sandra for not letting her sympathies interfere with playing her game(and dealing with an <> like Jon) anymore than I fault Jon trying to play up on his tribemates sympathies in the first place. Just because it's not something you or I might do, doesn't mean that it's a sign of the Apocalypse...

Pascalle

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 03:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well good, I hope Jon's granny has a blast on Springer, I guess that would be her business, don't ya think? As far as I know, Jon hasn't murdered anybody. Line crossing is a curious thing. I am always most interested in who is drawing these lines and what they do behind closed doors. Eh?

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 03:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pantageas. I agree. Jon's lie is no big deal. He gained nothing from it. He probably thought he and his buddy would get whisked away for a shower, beers and steak.

Sandra reaction was totally appropriate. Lil is a poor role model for scouting. She has no strength, backbone or ability to think on her feet. She is yanked around by her insecurities masquerading as heart. pfffffffft.

I enjoy this show and expect it to change as it progresses.

Djgirl

Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In any case, Jon's lie will come around to bite him - it's karma baby, and it will bite you in the a$$ every time!!!!

Sandra at the very least showed her loyalty to Rupert, and I would have done the same thing. She didn't have any choice but to not say anything when they started accusing Christa. Lil... well.. see my Mombat's post above!!!

Iscreamer1

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What Jon did shows what little faith he has in himself. To arrange some BS story like that, prior to leaving for the game means he didn't think he could even win a competition without lying. Hows that for poor self image? He's an obnoxious loser IMHO and I certainly don't think this lie will win him the big bucks but it will surely lose him alot of respect. Yuck!

Lori

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Lorry! How low will it go?

Enigma2

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What Jon did was no better, or no worse, than we should have expected from him. He has been a sordid mess from the very beginning. (And we had been worned about 'the big lie.')

As far as the others: they have been living in rough conditions for 28 days now. Everyone is tired; everyone is on edge wondering if they are the next to go. Am guessing the the further they get into this experience, the harder it is to accept that they may be the next to go. Under these conditions, I don't think that anyone is behaving at their best. (None of us is perfect.) So I'm going to refrain from judging them. They may all turn into 'Mother Tereasa' next week.

Lorry: am upset that you are so down about the show. Want to give you a big hug.

Sheilaree

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jon should be kicked off for lying about his grandmother dying, He is acting like he is arrogant, I would have gotten rid of him the first time, he needs to go, burton, lil. T didn't deserve to go, she wasn't really backstabbing anyone. You don't lie about someone dying. I couldn't see his grandmother coming anyway. I wrote and complained to CBS I am not watching this show again if Jon or Lil wins

Squaredsc

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
im still loving survivor and i think im one of the few who wasn't bothered by the outcast twist. i still love this game. even though there are some seasons when i don't care for who wins, it hasn't kept me from being in my chair every thursday at 8pm.

im also one of the few who wasn't really bothered by jon's lie. i thought it was very diabolical and i love stuff like that. and as ms bat said it didn't really gain him anything unless he gets sympathy votes if he makes the final 2. and if he does, then he truly outwitted, outlasted, and outplayed the others.

i was actually more upset about what sandra did. now as odd as this may sound, i thought she was totally wrong but letting christa take the fall for that. she fell way down in my eyes.

Adven

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with you, Sq. I complain, get outraged and roll my eyes at what takes place, but I still make sure I watch.
I also agree that Jon's lie was no biggie, although I appreciate why others are upset with it. I thought it was clumsy, silly and inconsequential. I don't think he did it for any reason connected to the game, but, instead, as a feeble attempt to extend Johnny Fairplay's 15 minutes once the game is over.
I had the opposite reaction to Sandra, though. She had been in Rupert's shadow to a certain degree up until this past week, so I didn't have a strong sense of her personality or what she was doing beyond teaming up with Rupert and Christa. I got a much better sense of her this week. She's competitive, direct and has a fire in her that I admire.

Hippyt

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Assuming that every show is going to be full of liars just because of Jon is far fetched to me. I mean Richard Hatch spent the first Survivor naked,but we haven't seen nekkid Survivor every show. And,uh,what does Michael Jackson have to do with Survivor?

Squaredsc

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
rofl hippy, i forgot about richard being naked.

Sheilaree

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree about Michael Jackson, when I read that I like said Huh? HippyT

Kmjm

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's just all keep in mind, as others have pointed out, that Jon didn't actually kill his grandmother in real life, any more than Ali and Jun actually attacked a child. There's a difference. Remember when Sue Hawk told Kelly that if she was lying dying at the side of the road she'd walk right on by? I think that was actually worse.

I think that Jon's lie was so transparent, that it will be discovered sooner or later.

Pamy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Square, ITA, I just posted almost your same thoughts in 'In an odd way" thread! LOL..great wench minds..!!

To me Survivor is still the Granddaddy of all reality shows and I would miss it more than any other show if it were cancelled. I just wish they were on 2 times a week!! I am sure they have enough footage.

Seamonkey

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Sandra's been in anyone's shadow from day one.. just remember back to the first day; the negotiating she did in that "village" alone was a major contribution to starting Drake out as the stronger of the two teams and she's been outspoken all along, not a shadow person. If anything she's been TOO much out in the sun.

I'd love to meet Sandra in real life anytime.

Jon? Not for a nanosecond. But I will say he's playing more of an active game than Ti, Darrah or Lill. Well Lill isn't even passive, she's pathetic.

Landi

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
hippy... you had to go and remind us of Richard Hatch's white butt... now while i'm out shopping today... all i'll think of is that! ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!

Woofy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll bet that they introduce Jon's grandmother on the live Finale show!

Pamy

Friday, November 28, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Woofy! That would be great!