Archive through April 27, 2003
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Archive through April 27, 2003
Twinkie | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 08:39 am     What is GVA? |
Webkitty | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 08:46 am     General viewing audience  |
Webkitty | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 10:21 am     I have a question. If there is a tie, is EVERYONE at risk? Or just the two people who are tied? I remember Pappy got the purple rock, but nothing else. Was this the episode where Kathy had immunity and considered giving it to Shawn? I seem to remember in other seasons that only the two who are tied are at risk. The reason I ask is, if only the two who are tied are at risk, then that would support Rob flipping to J/H to force a tie with Matt. If everyone is at risk, I can't see him doing it. Also, there is possiblity of a 3 way tie this time. J/H could vote for Rob. C/B could vote for Heidi. R/M could vote for Jenna. This is unlikely but just thought I would throw it out there. |
Alaginger | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 10:54 am     Web ...... up until the "purple rock", only the two people tied were at risk. Since the "purple rock" where the 4 remaining (Pappy, Neleh, Kathy, and Vee) were all at risk and Pappy got shafted, we have not had another tie to break. Last season they were skirting it like the plague. I have had another brainstorm that I think would also be a TC shocker. J/H vote for "whoever" (doesn't make a difference). Rob votes for Jenna thinking this is what has been agreed to by M/B/C. M/B/C, having heard all the gory details from Jenna about their pal Rob, vote for Heidi. First off, to break up the Bobbsey twins, and secondly to send Rob a message that his days are numbered. Web......call your Mom and ask her would that surprise her!!!....... |
Maris | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 11:19 am     I think the shocker is going to be that Matt has been playing the game hard all along. He deliberately set Rob up for a fall, possibly this week. Rob didnt even see it. By throwing the immunity challenge to Rob and forcing him to vote Alex out with no defense, he put Rob at the top of Jenna and Heidi's list to vote out. Matt sets himself up to be in the final two once Rob is gone. From watching the show this week, suddenly CBS is demonstrating that Matt really does have insight as to what is going on in the game. He has been portrayed up to now as someone who is clueless about the machinations of the game. It looks like Matt was on top of the game all along. So I say the shocker is that Rob goes this week in a unanimous vote. Another one bites the dust because he believed his own press. |
Wilsonatmd | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 01:55 pm     Alanger, one slight change on your explanation...only the non-immune people had to draw. Immunity is still immunity, even in a tie. The "shocker" I think is that immunity might be transfered. My theory: Jenna and Rob go after each other in an arguement, and It's obvious one of those two are most likely to go. Heidi wins immunity, and, thinking she's safe, transfers it to Jenna, thinking the argument would be enough to get Rob voted out, and not Jenna. It backfires on her, and Heidi goes. (thus meeting one of the major spoilers) |
Webkitty | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 02:00 pm     Milkshakey has confirmed that Heidi goes on May 1st. However, people over at Sucks are getting nervous because Milkshakey has "disappeared" from the board. He is a long time poster, so they are giving him the benefit of the doubt, for now. (just something the chew on) Thanks for clearing the tie up Ginger. So, Rob must know this, being a student of Survivor. There is no way he could know what will happen in case of a tie. I see two scenarios this week and I can't decide on which one yet. First, Rob and Matt have words.(because of what Jenna says) This causes Rob to be paranoid (more than he already is) Then, Matt gets new found respect because of the RC. Rob sees he will do no better than 4th place with his new alliance. (because now Matt doesn't trust him like he used to and Christy and Butch like Matt better) So, he must have to somehow convince H/J to not vote for him but vote WITH him against Matt. This seems unlikely, but maybe he convinces them this is their only chance, to force a tie. No one else is offering to throw them a bone. He realizes forcing a tie is risky, anyone could go, but he is convinced this is the best option. Maybe hunger and fatigue are taking a toll. Brian said this is about the time in the game when mistakes can happen very easily. Second, Rob and Matt have words because of Jenna. Rob thinks he has it smoothed over, but its not. Matt knows that J/H will vote for Rob at TC, and decides to do the same, not understanding that EVERYONE could be at risk in case of a tie. Even though Matt has started to play the game, he still doesn't understand it the way Rob does. There would be no point in Matt forcing a tie, unless he is doing it from an emotional standpoint. This would be so risky. If Rob doesn't go, he could win immunity next, and Matt would be out. But, maybe this is why Jeff keeps saying Matt is CLUELESS in the game of Survivor. This move would make NO SENSE from a stategic standpoint. Matt may be upset that Rob was making fun of him behind his back, but Christy and Butch will want Heidi and Jenna broken up, as they should. These two are a voting block and will stick together no matter what. Matt must know he can't convince them to go after Rob instead. He obviously comes out on the winning end (if this is what happens) but how very risky and not very smart. It could backfire on him big time. Christy and Butch would still want Jenna gone next after Heidi. If this scenario does happen, then Jenna must win the next immunity. Either way, its got to be Matt or Rob that flips and forces a tie. All of them voting out Heidi would be NO shock at all. Even Heidi giving Jenna the IN wouldn't be a shock, the GVA would just figure that Heidi will go instead. Its got to be a tie. (note: my mom only has so much patience for mulling over what will happen on Survivor, lol. I think I got all I'm going to get from her on that subject.) |
Alaginger | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 02:10 pm     I'm thinking I may not even watch Survivor on Thursday night. There are too many good scenarios going on right here on this board (LOL). Thanks Wilson for catching that about the person with immunity is still immune at TC even in a tie. |
Kappy | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 02:19 pm     I agree with Rob being the next to go. It won't be a shock for the GVA but it will definitely be a total shock to Rob. And while the other three, BM&C, want the plastic boob twins to vanish into the jungle asap, at the same time they have to realize that taking one of them to the F2 is very advantageous because neither could win in a jury vote. So they have plenty of time to get rid of one of them AFTER Rob is gone and BEFORE the end. So yes, BM&C will want to break them up but really don't have to worry if one of them makes it through. And since they (H&J) can't both win the IN at the same time, one of them will definitely be gone in the next two weeks. But I predict Rob will go first. |
Auntiemike | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 03:14 pm     If Rob goes this week and Heidi next week, then Jenna could indeed be in the final two if she wins immunity and either Butch or Christy go (assuming Matt is in the F2). How many votes would Jenna get from the jury? |
Maris | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 03:25 pm     Lets assume a Matt and Jenna final two: Rob - Jenna Deanna - Matt Alex - Jenna Dave - Jenna Christy - Matt Butch - Matt Heidi - Jenna |
Holly11 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 04:05 pm     I have heard that Matt and Jenna will be the final two. I so do not want Jenna to win. My vote would be for Matt. I would really like to see Butch and Christy in the final two but that will not happen. |
Csnog | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 04:54 pm     I don't think Rob would vote for Jenna. Rob considers Matt his protege and after Rob and the others get to Dave he might vote for Matt also. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:15 pm     Speaking of who the GVA thinks is next, at the CBS poll, the current results are: "Jenna is in first with 45 percent of the votes. Heidi is in second with 22 percent of the votes." I don't think the GVA would be surprised or shocked at either of these two going. Most of the time when we get all worked up about what something in the previews means, it turns out to be a very small thing and not at all what we were all making it out to be. I don't think there will be a tie this season, either. Even though the purple rock may not be the tiebreaker, it is a possibility and I don't think someone like Rob who is so Survivor-savvy will let that happen when it could mean he might draw it. I think it will be a pretty easy boot pick this time-- Heidi or Jenna. Heidi if we are to believe Milkshaky and Chill One. Wouldn't it be great if it was Jenna and Chill One's final four was blown out of the water? I would love that. Everybody on the spoiler boards would be scrambling. |
Maris | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:22 pm     YOu dont think Rob would vote for Jenna if he believed that Matt betrayed him and voted him out? |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:25 pm     "Matthew makes an incredible sacrifice so that others can be given the opportunity of a lifetime. But the newfound respect Matthew enjoys makes Rob rethink his new alliance." I agree Matt probably throws the RC, but I am drawing different conclusions because of the "newfound respect." He already has the respect of Christy and Butch. I would think this means Heidi and Jenna respect what he did. In other words, one of them wins it because of his sacrifice and they start kissing up to Matt which makes Rob nervous and start wondering if he is safe or if he should try to force another alliance. A lot of people have been speculating that Matt yields the RC to Christy. Then who gives him newfound respect? Jenna and Heidi will be spitting nails if he yields it to Christy or even anyone else. They have already said as much. I think if Matt practically handed the RC to anyone BUT Heidi or Jenna, the promo would say something entirely different like "Feelings run high and spill over to tears and anger at an emotionally-charged RC." I don't think Rob will jump alliances again. I think that is just smoke. In the end it will be Heidi or Jenna and probably Heidi because of the spoilers already out there. MHO, FWIW. I haven't had a good track record lately with this!!! LOL! |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:28 pm     "Still stung by Rob's betrayal of the alliance, an enraged Jenna tells the entire tribe about Rob's secret plans, revealing his strategies to everyone. Will Jenna's revelations turn the tribe against Rob?" No. Misdirection! They already know he is a huge player. If Jenna reveals how mercilessly Rob made fun of "Team Crazy," it may give them pause, but in the end it is to their advantage to get over it and keep him on their side and their eyes on the million and I think they will be able to do that, especially for Christy who really, really, REALLY wants to vote out Jenna or Heidi. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:30 pm     Maris, I think Rob would vote for who he thinks played the best game. He has already betrayed Jenna. He couldn't really hold it against her if she turned the tables, could he? I mean, I guess he could, but I don't think so. |
Maris | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:35 pm     Hermione, I beg to differ. Rob strikes me as a very vindictive and bitter type of person. It struck me particularly this week as the cameras focussed on him watching Jenna winning her cakes, and the others winning their luxury items. Rob striks me as avery avaracious and envious. He will bring it down to who screwed him and will blame matt. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:35 pm     "Feeling ostracized and betrayed, Jenna and Heidi refuse to help out around camp. Will this put the final nails in their coffins?" Ehh, they were already on their way out. One of 'em anyway "tribal council surprise you won't believe" from the promos. This just makes me think of ABC's "most shocking rose ceremony yet" promise before almost every one, LOL! I think this could just be an outburst at TC from one of the Boobsie twins ranting about the power shift, which could also tie into the "Sour Grapes" episode title. I know most people think Sour Grapes refers to Christy winning the RC, but that "newfound respect" gets me. Those words don't fit with that scenario. I'm probablu just reading too much into it, but those are how my thoughts rambled. I can't see Jenna OR Heidi giving up immunity. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:36 pm     Could be, Maris! I guess we will find out at the final TC! Personally, I hope it is NOT Matt and Jenna in the Final Two and then it will be moot, LOL! |
Seamonkey | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:39 pm     Remember, the purple rock tiebreaker was used only once, two seasons back. Jeff guaranteed that tiebreakers could be brutal but it is not known what method would be used should a tie occur. Also when the purple rock was used it was only after the tribe could not resolve the tie.. in other words, they got a tie and then those other than the tied had the opportunity to change votes, and when they wouldn't or couldn't, the purple rock was used which zapped Paschal who hadn't even been part of the tie. As far as Christy and Butch being a solid alliance. Perhaps they are, but really they've often voted differently. I DO think they are more allied now, but in the past I think their alliance was more wishful thinking on some of our parts (wishing for a Pappy/Neleh type pair, or just wishing that Christy had a strong protector). Even this last vote had Butch saying he regretted voting for Alex, unlike Christy and Matt and Rob who were quite firm in wanting Alex gone. Count me in the group not thinking anyone is going to give up immunity. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:47 pm     That's exactly why I don't think a tie will happen... cuz they DON'T know how it will be broken and someone like Rob wouldn't take the chance. He is savvy enough to know that he could end up going in any scenario. Seems like every scenario I put forth, I am wrong on so there probably will be a tie, LOL! I don't see M-C-B as having an unbreakable alliance, it kind of happened by default, which is exactly why I think Rob will stay with them. Even if he is in 4th place in that alliance, he probably believes he can exert some pressure and cause some cracks. Better than chancing a tie with J-H, even assuming they would take him back. I think the whole Sour Grapes epsiode title is their whole behavior around camp now that the balance of power has shifted. |
Auntiemike | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 06:02 pm     I really admire all of you who have the time and energy and brain power to come up with the various speculations and scenarios....they are all extremely interesting. I throw this out: what if there were a tie between Jenna and Rob at TC and all were included in the tie breaker (sans the Immunity Necklace person)? And, what if Heidi was the one that "drew the purple rock" and was booted? Is this a possibility? |
Hermione69 | Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 06:08 pm     Anything is certainly a possibility, Auntiemike. That sounds plausible! I would laugh and laugh if Heidi drew the purple rock!! |
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