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Moondance

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep... don't like her.

Alaginger

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Jenna is in the F2, and wins.........I am really wondering why in the World JP would say we are going to love the winner? I definitely would not get it!

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know that Jeff ever really said we would love the winner. I think he said that the crew was much more satisfied with the way this played out as opposed to S5. The general viewing public could have a totally different reaction than the crew. We don't see everything they see. Does someone have a link to where Jeff said we, the general auidience, would love the winner or enjoy the conclusion? Maybe I am getting something mixed up.

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The reason Jenna felt betrayed by Deena is that the agreement when they left Jambaru for the merge, was that they would all stick together and Pagong Tambaqui (except for Heidi)
So, Deena,Jenna,Alex,Rob,(and Heidi) had an agreement. The next target was Matt, they all agreed on that, but Deena went ahead and targeted Alex even BEFORE Matt won immunity.
This was not an alliance decision, since Jenna and Alex were not there.
They felt that if Deena could change her mind so soon to target one of their own, how safe were any of them?

Heidi, knowing that she was brought in on the alliance on Jenna's good will, realized that if Alex was not safe, she wouldn't be either.
So told Jenna about Deena's plan, and it went from there.
When your on Survivor, and you have an alliance, you can't just decide all on your own to turn on one of them and expect it not to backfire. This makes the other alliance members nervous. Especially when there are three members of the agreed on targets still left.

The plan was NEVER the woman against the men.
Deena stated the boot plan this morning on The Early Show. (just to clear that up)

Christy was left completely out of the loop. Deena let her hear the conversation to boot Alex, and that's as far as it went with her.
I am most disappointed in Butch. He has shown NO alliance or made any attempt to bring Chrisy into the loop. He may have said he admired her earlier in the show, but that's as far as it goes with these two.

Wink

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>>So, Deena,Jenna,Alex,Rob,(and Heidi) had an agreement. The next target was Matt, they all agreed on that, but Deena went ahead and targeted Alex even BEFORE Matt won immunity<<<<

I thought Alex was to be a target in the event Matt won immunity. Wasn't she just putting forth a back-up plan. And why wouldn't Alex be a target since he would be a strong individual IC threat. And my impression was Deena felt her alliance was with Rob/Jenna/Heidi, I don't recall Alex being a part of it. It appears he had a sub-alliance with Jenna/Heidi. I guess I must have missed the episode when it stopped being girls against guys .

And Jenna did plenty of "alliance" talk with Alex at the cafe and Deena, Rob and Heidi weren't there so ••• for tat.

Heidi and Jenna were quite happy to let Deena be a leader as long as she was on their page. I don't think Deena had any intention of keeping the men around with the exception of Rob and I thought she had been pretty clear about that.

I agree about Butch. He's a total non-player and only along for the ride and it's obvious by Christy's vote for Alex that she is totally out of the loop.

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Argh! Did you watch the show? LOL!!!

Alex was NOT to be the target if Matt won immunity. That was all Deena's idea.

When they left Jambaru for the merge, the last thing they did was do a hand circle thing and make a pact. Then they thanked Jenna for bringing them all together.
Maybe Deena didn't have any intention of keeping the men around, but that was NOT THE ALLIANCE AGREEMENT.

The alliance agreement was to boot the strongest men from Tambaqui first, then Butch and Christy.
It was not up to Deena to change that like she was the king of the forest.

I agree with her thinking that Alex was an immunity threat, but I don't agree with the way she acted on that thought. And obviously, neither did the rest of them there.
All of the past Survivors have talked about the paranoia factor. Especially at this point in the game. Deena said today she has watched past Survivors and should have know getting overconfident in your situation is the kiss of death. Look at what happened to Roger. She should have known better.

Jenna is not being given enough credit for thinking things through, either. She sensed a change in Deena's strategy, and was right on about it. What happened when they got back to camp? Heidi confirmed what Jenna had been musing about to Alex. The girl does have a brain in her head.

Wink

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well of course I watched the show. But I'm old and must have missed something.

Okay so you're telling me Alex should not have been the back up boot if Matt got Immunity, that it should have been Butch or Christy. Is that correct?

Deena was incorrect in assuming she, Jenna and Rob had a sub alliance for final 3? Is that correct?

Did Deena ever tell Jenna that it was to be Jenna/Rob/Deena as final 3? I can't remember

Geez I think I have Fruitbatitis. I'm totally confused now. So just tell me who gets the boot next.

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I see this differently. Bottom line is, none of us really know exactly what the alliance agreement was. Seems to me that there was a heck of a lot of changing on everyone's part as to who should get booted in which order. They are all playing each other. We tend to argue for the ones we like and against the ones we don't. Simple as that.

Wink

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I don't really care for any of them Hermione so I'm happy to argue for or against any. I am obviously confused about how the woman they asked to lead them suddenly became a betrayer.

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(Fruitbatitis, lol)

Herm, we know exactly what the alliance was, it was on the show! lol. Deena confirmed this on the Early Show this morning. how many times to I have to tell you boys and girls this? lol

The alliance was set to boot either Christy or Butch if Matt won immunity, according to plan. Deena changed that, bottom line. She said so this morning.

Deena also said this morning that she and Rob had a F2 agreement. She never mentioned Jenna.
But, MB showed us that Deena/Jenn/Rob DID have an F3 alliance.

The BOTTOM LINE is: Deena screwed up. Its not about who we like or don't like, its about the facts. (for me, at least)
I like Rob, but IF he gets the boot
and he screws up because of it, I will disect his mistake just like I am doing now with Deena. I am a pure diehard Survivor geek, who doesn't get emotionally involved in the players.

Wink

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay but did Jenna know she had an F3 alliance with Rob/Deena?

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes.

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You seem to get pretty emotionally involved to me, Webkitty. I don't think anyone here is as neutral as they like to claim they are.

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Plus, to me, they could talked it out with her instead of booting her out behind her back. "Hey Deena, remember the plan? What are you thinking?" I think Jenna and Heidi should have had more loyalty to her than that. Screw that nuJab stuff, they went all the way back to oldJab and they dropped Deena for a cute guy. I agree Deena caused her own demise, but I don't ascribe any noble moves to Jenna for any of this. They are all screwing each other.

Squaredsc

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
im neutral. and i agree with everything everyone said.

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
People were wondering here why Jenna felt betrayed by Deena. I was providing the facts. Simple as that. The fact is, they all felt betrayed by Deena, not just Jenna. That is why they booted her off. The reasons were all layed out last night on the show. Deena scared them with a change of plan, now whether you agree with them or not is fine.

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Square, you crack me up. Webkitty, I am not picking on you, I hope you know that. I just pointing out that even with the facts, people have different perceptions of the events and whether they played out rightly or wrongly.

Personally, whoever is left standing at the end with the million dollars deserves it in my book, know what I mean? May not like it, but will never say they don't deserve it.

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No noble moves Herm, just some intuition. And, your right to have your opinion on how the situation should have been handled. I support your right to see it differently. But, that doesn't change what happened there, and how they all saw it at the time.

Becca

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
apparantely, Deena made final 3 deals with everyone. ON insider Alex mentioned how it was stupid of Deena to think that the friends wouldn't talk to each other and find out that Deena changed the final 3 for everyone. (Deena's plan was her Rob in Christy. She told Jenna (I think Deena, Jenna, Christy. on and on. Everyone felt pretty betrayed. Basically, deena played like brian only deena got caught. this is why Jenna wanted Deena gone, she didn't trust her.

Fruitbat

Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wink, I am keeping score and have a hairy eye on you.

Webkitty

Saturday, April 12, 2003 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Becca, I read Marcopolo's transcript over at Sucks spoiler board, and he confirms what you are saying. (wish I could post a link) Clp posted a link in the spoiler thread, but many don't to there. (thanks Clp)
Very interesting reading.

It wasn't just Jenna that wanted Deena gone, but all of them because Deena made different deals with everyone.
Deena might have been able to pull this off but she openly targeted Alex. They all started to talk amonst themselves at that point and figured out her real game plan. They all felt betrayed.

The Insider also gives the full words each spoke when voting, very interesting.

Happymom

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What a selfish, selfish girl Jenna is on this show. I wonder what her thoughts will be on what many viewers think about her after this is over. selfish and very immature.

If she ends up on the jury and Rob is in the final two, she will back stab. With Alex's parting remarks, he may just be the type to reward Rob with a vote if Rob is in the final two. Not so with Jenna, I'm sure she will be the vengeful type, especially after the fit she had about Deena last week.

Seamonkey

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jenna is friends with her parents and hangs out with them every night.. and I'm betting that she's used to being the Princess.. she seems to feel totally entitled.. she got one reward just because she was born last, got taken by Alex on another reward, whined like a baby when Deena got taken on a reward and practically had a tantrum tonight and blamed Christy even AFTER she had manipulated things so she got extra chance and got a letter.. she really thinks she is more deserving than the others.

Whoami

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Princess Jenna wins this thing, I'm gonna have to buy a new TV. Cause no doubt I'll be throwing things at it that night.

<makes mental note not to have anything heavy within reach on the final night of Survivor, just in case>

Hermione69

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 04:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am a bit relieved to see that I am not the only one that doesn't like her. I had a very bad feeling about her from the first or second episode from the way she treated Christy, but I recognized that I am extremely biased in this situation because of my personal experiences, and when I continued not to like her I wondered if I was just being petty and small-minded myself. I don't think she is a very kind person and I think she is extremely self-absorbed. I will be very upset if she wins. I would rather Brian come back and win and he was my least favorite Survivor winner ever!

I don't know that she is really getting "winner's editing." What do you guys think?