Archive through May 11, 2003
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Archive through May 11, 2003
Mak1 | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 08:04 pm     Goodnight, everyone, and Happy Mothers' Day to all moms! |
Lurknomore | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 08:04 pm     First, I would like to see certified, documented proof of Heidi's IQ score...but assuming it's true I think even less of her cause then she is smart enough to use more that fake twitty voice and act to get by in this world. And while I'll go along with Jenna maybe being young enough to learn some lessons can anyone HONESTLY say she "Outplayed or Outwitted" everyone? Not in my book. To me it just shows that ALL games involve massive amounts of luck. |
Csnog | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 08:07 pm     Oh well it's over. On to AR March 29th |
Bastable | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 08:39 pm     I don't know how many of you caught this, but CBS accidentally gave away the winner about 7 minutes before she was officially announced! Right as the live show starts (play your tapes back), you'll notice the Chyron "JENNA'S FAMILY" appears on screen for a second or two before quickly disappearing. Someone in the control room flipped a switch too early--they had that descriptor ready for when she won, but CBS sent it out on air early. It went away, Jeff chatted a bit with the contestants, and then read the votes. Jenna won, and they showed her family, finally with that "JENNA'S FAMILY" at the right time. There was no Chyron for Matthew's family. Losers don't get family reaction shots. A GIGANTIC screw-up--one of many for that live finale! |
Awareinva | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 08:44 pm     I did notice that Bastable and told the dear hubby that I had been wrong and that Jenna was going to win. I couldn't think of any other reason for her family to be pointed out that early in the game. I guess that by having to move locations at the last minute, things were all messed up. Thought JP was cute saying "hello, I'm over here" when the cameras seemed to be panning everywhere but on him! LOL |
Jimmer | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:07 pm     We were a little upset that Jenna won but to her credit she does seem to recognize some of her failings and she seems to be doing something about it. Heidi is mind-boggling - I'll leave it at that. Biggest disappointment has to be Christy and the way she voted and the lame reasons that she gave for voting the way she did. Ugh Ugh Ugh Ugh Ugh I really can't say anything positive about her at this point so I'm not going to say anything further. |
Sherbabe | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:09 pm     Massive amount of luck and popularity, Lurk. Between big brother is the worst at that, but, survivor is following suit. |
Squaredsc | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:19 pm     jimmer i 1/2 way agree with you. but what else could jenna say? she had to redeem herself. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:22 pm     Do you guys think the result would be different if not for Jenna's mom? Do you think some of the people on the jury pressed for sympathy votes? It is still boggling my mind she won by that large a margin and I'm still puzzling over how that happened. |
Jimmer | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:24 pm     <<jimmer i 1/2 way agree with you. but what else could jenna say? she had to redeem herself.>> Oh my … so true. But then again there's Heidi by comparision. She not only didn't redeem herself, she just keeps sinking deeper and deeper (just my opinion of course). I'm so tired of people voting based on "need". What is it - Survivor charity? |
Lycanthrope | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:30 pm     I don't know why they voted the way they did, but I can't beleive that it was based on "need", or Jenna's mom. I, for one, thought Matt had 5 votes easy, and then the way it turned out shocked me. But I can't beleive they voted for Jenna based on her familial situation. If they did, then I guess I'm just naive, but there had to be some other reason... |
Jimmer | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:39 pm     We were positive that Matt had it made, particularly after the questions and answers at Tribal Council. We thought that he had Christy (for sure), Butch (for sure), Rob, and Dave. We even thought that he might get Deena's vote as well (especially after her questioning Jenna about voting based on "need"). We suspect that Matt lost because his perceived "craziness" and aggressiveness during the game made them all uncomfortable and he paid for it at the end. |
Lycanthrope | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:47 pm     If they voted for Jenna because Matt was perceived as "crazy", that's almost as bad as voting for her because of her mom's sickness. I don't think we saw everything that went on. There has got to be some outside factor that we're missing. I'm happy for Jenna, but Matt deserved it more in my opinion. |
Penpoint | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 09:58 pm     Prediction: The winner of Survivor Panama will be a male. It will follow the pattern of male-female-male-female-male-female winners. I was sorry that Matt didn't win, but I guess this one was destined to be a female. |
Wendo | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:06 pm     I have to say, I'm ok with Jenna winning, especially after hearing her on the reunion show. Personally, I wanted Rob to win and was quite dissappointed he didn't make the final two. Then, I thought Matt would win, and was ok with that. He did a lot to deserve the big bucks. But, then Jenna wins, with a 6-1 vote no less. Shocking? Yep. Am I mad about it? Nope. Obviously, the six people who voted for her felt that, in the end, she deserved it. Let's not forget that we viewers don't see the amount of tape that gets shot. I think Jenna was heavily edited negatively. Yes, she said negative stuff, whined and was spoiled. But, it's possible there's other stuff we haven't seen as well. I figure, they edited her more negatively to cause more of a reaction when she won. (Check the archives for that!) Someone said/asked, Jenna didn't deserve to win because she didn't outwit, outplay, or outlast. I disagree with this entirely. She did outwit many of the tribe members, Deena for example. She outplayed too, evidenced by her four immunity wins (noted by Jeff), including the last two crucial ones. And, she did outlast, she was one of the final two. People can say she didn't deserve it, but, like Matt, she deserved to win since she was one of the final two. She lasted, the seven jury members did not. Additionally, I think she will be a better person because of how she was portrayed on the show. She fully admitted to being spoiled, whiny, and annoying. That's not easy to watch or to say. Compare Jenna's behavior during the reunion show to Heidi's. Jenna accepted and admitted her faults. Heidi, on the other hand, was Heidi. I know some think that she HAD to redeem herself. But, I disagree. I felt she was honest and sincere tonight. In the end, I'm cool with the fact she won Survivor, feel that she deserved it, and am happy for her. It is an accomplishment. |
Tabbyking | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:10 pm     i also said at the beginning that it would be follow the male-female pattern, but i can't believe jenna won. my daughter and i swear that they showed christy's vote and it said, "matt" on it...we must have been doing drugs and just been hoping!!!!... because at the end jeff said, "how did jenna win with 'all 6' votes" (there are 7, aren't there?) and also said, "how did she even get christy's?" caitlin and went, 'huh?!' were we watching the same show as everyone else?! i don't know if i can bring myself to ever watch another survivor. jenna was about the most undeserving person out of everyone save ryan and dan!! |
Dee | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:16 pm     Wow, I'm in shock. I can't believe Jenna won. She didn't do anything except whine. Matt worked 10 times harder than she ever could. Heck, she even wanted to quit. I wonder if Rob/Matt/Butch regretted letting Heidi go and keeping her. |
Bob2112 | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:16 pm     To summarize everything I said in chat tonight: Sucks, Sucks, Sucks, Sucks, Sucks, Sucks! |
Monkeyboy | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:17 pm     Jenna was flippin hot tonight! |
Tabbyking | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:19 pm     oh, monkeyboy!! maybe you just like her for her money?!lol |
Lycanthrope | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:36 pm     Jenna was smokin' hot on the reunion show, and I do think, in the end, she deserved the win. She wasn't the best strategist, or the best looking, or the smartest, but she was the best PLAYER. She kicked ass when it counted, and she ended up as the ultimate Survivor of the Amazon... |
Watching2 | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 10:51 pm     <<I don't know how many of you caught this, but CBS accidentally gave away the winner about 7 minutes before she was officially announced! Right as the live show starts (play your tapes back), you'll notice the Chyron "JENNA'S FAMILY" appears on screen for a second or two before quickly disappearing. Someone in the control room flipped a switch too early--they had that descriptor ready for when she won, but CBS sent it out on air early. It went away, Jeff chatted a bit with the contestants, and then read the votes. Jenna won, and they showed her family, finally with that "JENNA'S FAMILY" at the right time. >> Bastable, My husband totally picked up on that flub! If they had shown Matt's family AFTER they showed Jenna's, it would have made sense. Having not done that and Jennna DID win, they had to mess up and did indeed, give away the winner beforehand! I told my husband people were going to be sooo "ticked" off on the board I read since no one liked Jenna! When I said Matt deserved to win, my husband said Rob deserved to win, but when I said between the two finalists, he agreed it should have been Matt. I was soooo disappointed and just YUCK!!!! Matt and Jenna did look great and I have to say, this last episode was the first I actually liked Jenna some, but not enough to want her to win over Matt! And they sure did look chummy!! Hmmmm... that would be some interesting couple!! Oh well, the only thing good about the ending (if you want to call it good!), is it was a total twist right until the end! I totally expected Matt to win. Totally!!!! So, in a twisted way, it made this show better than if I had been right in my "spoilers" all the way to the end. "Sigh....." This is the only reality show my husband watches with me, so I'm sure I'll be watching the next one. When it comes to AI, BB and others, I'm watching the show alone, depending on which TV I'm watching and my son pitches in a comment or two from the PC. Oh well.... I guess I'll have to watch AR. BB doesn't start until late June or July, does it? |
Catfat | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 11:08 pm     Didn't they also show Butch's hometown and friends and family? |
Seamonkey | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 11:14 pm     We have two weeks of AI and then TAR starts up. Not sure about BB. Hermi, you are right, I feel better after watching it. Not so much because Jenna did come across as more human (but still claiming she stripped due to hunger -- NOT true and I thought bringing up needing the money was an all-time low) but because Matthew seemed ok with it and also just seeing the whole group. They all look great but Janet looked good, Jeanne looked REALLY good, Jenna and Matt looked amazing.. actually Heidi looked the least "cleaned up".. something about her hair was just WRONG). 11pm news here said Jenna says she'll buy a car, take the family on vacation, donate money to cancer charity. Heidi said something that wasn't logical, Jenna said she hasn't absorbed it yet,, seems right. Matt said they bonded as friends, no relationship, he thinks she's great. I still don't get Christy's vote or Deena's but it was theirs to give. |
Whit4you | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 11:34 pm     In my 3+ years at TVCH I don't recall me every being totally in the minority but boy am I after reading this thread. I seemed to have watched an entirely different show then most those posting here. Perhaps it's because I didn't see it weekly but watched the first 5 shows in a few days. The truth is for the first and only time in Survivor history I never knew who was going next. Not even a really good hunch! Each and every episode brought shock and surprise to me. Each and every time I thought one group or another was going to be 'pagong'ed' it was proven wrong. Every episode from beginning to end was full of twists and turns in the alliances. Granted I'd rather turn down a Mel Gibson / Billy Ray Cyrus MFM then see Jenna win... but this "She didn't deserve to win" stuff? Come on peeps! She got 6 out of 7 votes this from people who lived with them 24 hours a day - 7 days a week, as opposed to OUR edited 40 minutes a week. If 6 out of those 7 voted for her then she clearly deserved to win. If it'd been 4 to 3 votes then I'd think differently... but 6 out of 7 it was almost a blowout. I just wish there were a few this year that I really liked... because it was in my opinion the best Survivor ever based on never knowing even with all the so-called soilers what was going to happen next. I hate the way groups get picked off and this year no one particular group lasted more than one vote off. I hate to think that the producers might see this thread and belive that this really wasn't a great suvivor that we'd rather go back to the knowing every week who's going next and the pagong deal we've usually had to face. So my final thoughts.... WTG Jeff and crew. For me personally this was the best survivor ever even if *the* last person I'd ever want to win this year won it. |
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