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Alaginger

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 06:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow.........what wonderful information to wake up to this morning. Great Work, Guys!!! I would love to see Butch win.
But how does Jeff know who wins until the live show? That means that right now, both of the F2 people must be well-liked for Jeff to have said that......unless he just knows for a fact which one of the two will walk away with the $$$ based on his knowledge of the total show and the Survivor's thoughts.

Car54

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 06:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeff knows. You think he doesn't peek?

Alaginger

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmmmm???

But I never thought he would be so blatantly obvious about it, if he did?

You mean to tell me they don't have a member of "Snout, Grout, Bunko and Hornsby" sitting in that helicopter to take that container right out of his hands? (LOL)

Wink

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 06:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well if Butch is the winner he needs to start being more visible. I'll be really po'd if they do another Vecepia on us. Give him some kind of storyline for crying out loud or I'll have to start making up vile things in my head about him.

Car54

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is a multi-million dollar operation. Jeff is the front man for the whole thing, he leads all the public promotion for it.
No way he and Mark Burnett do not know who the winner is. The minute the cameras are off at TC, they peek.
SEG is a privately owned company...they own the show, they own the votes, they can do whatever they want and they do. If they don't know the outcome, how can they edit to tell a coherent story.

Butch is going far by building things and hiding behind trees when anyone is nearby. That is his strategy. He, Christy, and Matt are a block and he is letting Matt take the heat. Christy is their front with the girls club. Butch and Matt are going to use her as a shield.

Kaili

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They have to look so they can be pulled out in the most potentially suspenseful order when reading votes.

Webkitty

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Aus10, if your out there, please come to this thread so we can grill you some more, lol

I have been reading the Tropicguy thread over at Sucks off and on since the start, and he was dismissed over there for awhile as a possible hoax, but IF Matt and Rob get into a fight next episode, I think we may be onto something. He has posted again, saying that a FEMALE gets booted next! It could just be a guess, I mean, it is likely that Deena might go, but still..... And, he gave away that he and Matt both work for Marriot. He says Matt was just sent overseas for his job, wish I had a clue how to find out if this is true or not.
He says that Matt knows he is posting all this info there, and they are having a fun time with it. This makes me wonder about Matt if all this true. Missing Amber posted that her friend (maybe it was even Tropicguy) said when Matt first came back to work looking like a chemo patient, he told everyone to not even ask him any questions because he couldn't talk about it. Which is true? (or did Matt change his mind?)
Just more things for us to go around and around about!

Car54

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, this is not really a contest, it is showbiz.

Webkitty

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My first thought was that Jeff must know who wins, he is right there with the votes. But then, I remembered an interview MB gave during S2, and he said that he was so afraid all during S1 that he would accendently give away that Richard won, that he didn't want to know the winner from then on.
But, how COULD he edit the show if he didn't know who the winner was? Unless he edits just for the final 2, nah, he's got to know.
Jeff must know too.

As far as Butch goes, my only complaint is that EPMB has given us NOTHING on him yet. He is more invisable than Zoe was, and I didn't think that was possible. I would rather hate, hate, hate the winner than to not know who they are. I feel cheated by that.

Webkitty

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am going over to Sucks now and see if Tropicguy has posted again. Be back in a flash!

Webkitty

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, he is getting lambasted over there!

I have said from the beginning, though, that ChillOne could have the final 4 in the wrong order just like he got the first 4 in the wrong order.
He has posted recently saying that IF the final 4 are wrong, it is not because he was fed mis-leading info, but that it would be a honest mistake from his intel, ummmmmm. He seems to be backing off from his earlier posts saying he was 100% sure the boot order was correct.

BTW, has anyone seen a commercial yet for ep9?

Squaredsc

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
aaaarrrggghhh, running screaming back to the decorating thread where its safe and easier to figure things out like colors and textures...

Meggieprice

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw the same article this morning in the SF Chronicle about insiders at CBS betting and winning on Final 2. They clearly said that before the bets were canceled due to the illegality of it- the votes are Jenna and Matt. That is a pretty strong clue! I have not been able to be on the boards much this year, but is that anywhere near any other spoiler predictions?

Car54

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, pretty much exact, Meggie.

Clp

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't see these posted yet, so I apologize if they are a repeat. CBS website clues for Ep. 9;

ON THE NEXT SURVIVOR

It's a scramble to the end to figure out who's next to go, as various tribe members battle it out and face unexpected developments that affect their standings with each other.

Heidi is overcome with pain from a swollen knee, and must be cared for. But does this make her vulnerable?

Matthew is convinced he should throw a Challenge in order to get back under the radar. But is this smart?

A date provides much pleasure and happiness, as well as a new point of view.

Okay, we have been doing so well with our speculating and spoiling this time around, let's figure these out!

Alaginger

Saturday, April 05, 2003 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clp ...... We've been talking about this off and on the pass 2 days, plus other spoilers that we haven't seen yet. I'll tackle trying to do a little summary here of what we have thrown out...and then hopefully somebody can clean it up for me and maybe fill in the blanks!
1 - It's a scramble to the end to figure out who's next to go, as various tribe members battle it out and face unexpected developments that affect their standings with each other.
a - We have yet to see Matt and Rob get into
it.
b - We have yet to see Deena and Rob get into
it.
c - We have yet to actually see Christy and
Butch bond.
2 - Heidi is overcome with pain from a swollen knee, and must be cared for. But does this make her vulnerable?
a - Butch gets bit by a fish (piranha?) but
must not be much since no "todo" shows in
the promo.
b - We have yet to see Deena get bit by an
insect (spider?).
3 - Matthew is convinced he should throw a Challenge in order to get back under the radar. But is this smart?
a - Matthew may throw the R/C.
b - Matthew probably will be a good contender
for winning the I/C.
4 - A date provides much pleasure and happiness, as well as a new point of view.
a - Two people date --- but is it boy/girl or
2 of the same sex --- remember: (Frank
and Brandon, Sean and Paschal, Brian and
Clay).
b - Reward could be a couple challenge.
c - Reward could be individual and winner
picks somebody to take.

Alaginger

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WARNING:
Be really careful if you are using these pictures from next weeks promo to help you decide who is standing next to who, and who is wearing what clothes!!! I got these shots from Survivor Phoenix this morning and it clearly shows that Dave was in that line-up (probably just prior to the muddy water challenge in last week's episode).
pic1 pic2
pic3 pic4

Fruitbat

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>It's a scramble to the end to figure out who's next to go, as various tribe members battle it out and face unexpected developments that affect their standings with each other.<<<

This does not tell us too much. They are one big alliance now and this is to be expected. We have been talking about this all week.

>>Heidi is overcome with pain from a swollen knee, and must be cared for. But does this make her vulnerable?<<<

Not at all, she is safe, no IC threat anyway and this puts her way down on the list.

>>>Matthew is convinced he should throw a Challenge in order to get back under the radar. But is this smart?<<<

No and he knows it. He just thinks about this but does not act. Convinced for about 5 mins is my guess.

>>>A date provides much pleasure and happiness, as well as a new point of view.<<<<

Butch, Matt or Alex are more apt to win the RC. The winner will take the runner up so I think two men will go on the date. Alex and Matt? The tribe is dividing. Why not readjust with your RC partner? They will compare notes and do just that.

This may be one of the only episodes to date that we really do watch TC and do not know who will go. There will be so much talk to edit, they can conceal this one easily.

Everyone is considered, thus Jeffs comment about Butch and Christy being in danger with their UTR status.

Jeffs comment about someone putting their foot in their mouth and jamming it so far down their throat.....etc, really sounds like Rob.

I also think Butche's bite is very minor and will not effect anything. Some anitbiotic ointment and a bandaid will do the trick.

No painful insect bite for Deena in the promo's is the strongest point for her staying this week. Certainly they will show this, for the drama.

Webkitty

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for those pics and the warning, Ginger. I also found a vidcap over at S-Fever that was from the merge episode (7) Its the one of Deena sitting there looking like she is in pain. At first I thought it might be because of the spider bite, but then I was waching my tape of that episode last night, and when she was talking about how Rob had picked her for the alliance, something clicked with me. Being the Survivor geek I am, I slow motioned and freez framed all through that segment until I was able to match up the vidcap perfectly. The background is identical. Trees, leaves, all the same. Same clothes, same hair, same facial expression right down to her furrowed brow. Same pained look in her eyes. She looked tired in that sequence, something I didn't notice when I watched the show.

Also, I know TDT says that the RC is the spear/blowgun and the IC is gross food, but I'm not so sure of that until I see a commercial, I can't buy into it, because I don't think Matt wins immuinty this week. If he is a lock to win the gross food, then its got to be the RC.

Grannyg

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last Survivor, remember the gross food challenge was when the family members had to eat the gross food and they got to spend time at the camp. Well, we know that the players are eating this time but the promo says "much pleasure and happiness". Well I am not sure any of them would get that from another player. Much happiness and pleasure would surely come from a family member. "a new point of view" could also come from a famliy member who is meeting them for the first time. You know "first impressions". Remember when who ever it was that won and talked to her husband he said "she just needed someone else to bounce her thoughts off of". So maybe a family member helps the winner see something that they haven't see before in a one of the players that makes them change their mind. You know the old chemistry thing. When you see someone every day it's sometimes hard to realize different things about them that someone else would realize immediately that hasn't been around. Just a thought about the gross food challenge from last year. That was last year wasn't it???????

Webkitty

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
* It's a scramble to the end to figure out who's next to go, as various tribe members batttle it out and face unexpected developments that affect their standing with each other

Pass for now

* Heidi is overcome with pain from a swollen knee and must be cared for. But does this make her vunerable? NO

* Matthrew is convinced he should throw a challenge in order to get back under the radar. But is this smart? NO.
I can't imagine that anyone at this point in the game would think that not having immunity is a good thing, so my first thought was that this must be the RC he is thinking of throwing. But, I don't think he gets immunity this week.
So, he either DID throw the IC or he just didn't win it. Jeff has made a point of saying that Matt had no clue how to play this game. I'm leaning toward Matt really throwing the IC. Jeff also made another comment in his Friday radio interview hinting toward this and I can't remember it right now, I'll post later when I find it.

Obviously, Alex will emerge the winner in the 3 way power struggle. Deena goes this week, Rob next. And, there has to be a tie this week, unless they all decide to vote for Deena, it could happen, but for right now I'll leave that scenario out. Lets say there is a tie, Deena has to be one of the players on the block, with three votes, who is the other player? Its got to be Matt, I just can't find a scenario that will fit Alex, and I am discounted TropicGuy's spoiler that says Rob and Matt will team up to try and exclude Alex and then have an altercation because of Rob's big mouth. It seems like it could happen, but I'm not going to let another iffy spoiler cloud my judgement again.

* A date provides much pleasure and happiness, as well as a new point of view.

This could be a big clue. Various scenarios to follow:

1. Matt could win the RC, thus making him feel he needs to get back utr. Lets say the RC is the gross food. He wins it hands down, and gets to take someone. Christy looks like she is having a hard time with it. Maybe she goes out first. He feels bad for her and takes her. She thought he was creepy last episode, and because of the date, gets a new point of view about him. She gets much pleasure and happiness because she is that type of person, easy to please and full of joy.

2. Jenna and Christy go on the reward. It involves a lux day of pampering and plenty of ice cream. Heidi has a bum knee and gets much pleasure and happiness from this. (well, they both do) While on the reward, they say nuts to Deena and decide to team up with Alex to take her out. This could be the three votes against her. Maybe Rob and Matt DO plan on taking out Alex, but he wins immunity, causing an unexpected development Rob, Christy and Butch have no choice but to put Matt up. Maybe this is why Matt and Rob get into a fight. Matt feels betrayed by Rob. Purple rock, Deena goes, but Matt wins immunity next week and Rob is toast.

3. Rob wins the RC, and gets to go on his dream date with Heidi, causing much pleasure and happiness. He get a new point of view, that he needs to take out Deena to get to his fantasy final 3 of Heidi, Jenna and himself. He convinces Heidi and Jenna to go for it, and they have one more person on board with this, but something happens, and that person decides to vote Matt out instead, causing a tie.

Webkitty

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Granny, good one. The family member visit usually comes later in the game, but MB can do anything he wants. So maybe the visit is now. I hope when the new commercials come out, they give us more clues as to what is going to happen.

IF it is the family visit, then it could explain a lot. This could be the unexpected development, the date that provides much pleasure and happiness, as well as a new point of view.

Something to keep in mind, thanks.

Alaginger

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Web.......how about Rob and Deena have a confrontation and Rob takes Matthew and joins up with Christy and Butch. This could be why Deena says "she hates Rob". Then at TC there is a tie, and one of Deena's cohorts decides to change votes (probably Alex) to make sure he doesn't come up with a purple rock (or could be Heidi or Jenna)........but seeing that the other four have voted for Deena, maybe somebody jumps in on the second round of voting to help oust Deena so they don't have to take a chance with "THE ROCK".

Webkitty

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Modifying my #2 up there. If Christy and Jenna hatch a plan to take out Deena on the reward trip, they would need TWO other people to do it. Maybe they get Alex and Rob on board, but if Rob gets into an altercation with Matt, he could secretly decide to vote for Matt at TC, causing a tie.
This could be where he sticks his foot down his throat. Jeff always tries to talk them out of a tie, and encourages them to hash it out. Rob is given the opporunity to hang himself with plenty of rope. He is voted out the next TC because of it.

Another reason I think this might be the scenario is that Jeff said Friday that Deena is aware of the pre TC shift. She must know she is on the block. I was thinking yesterday that it must be Deena and Rob that get into it, and that caused him to defect, but maybe its not, maybe it IS Rob and MATT that causes the tie. The plan was to vote out Deena, and Rob would have been golden if he had just let that happen without the tie. I was assuming that what he said during an arguement with Deena in CAMP was what got him in trouble, but I bet its at TC. He is shown to have been plotting to take out Alex, and double dealing Matt. Even though Deena gets the purple rock, and the plan to boot her is successful, he is no longer trusted.

Webkitty

Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger, that works too, lol, I don't know how much longer I can take this! (is it over yet?)