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Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just can't wait to hear her side of the story when she is first interviewed.

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Seamonkey

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kathy, in her chat, said that Joanna wanted them to bury the idol.

Jeff does encourage them to hold up the idol and touch it and of course Joanna has every right to abstain from that. BUT I found it odd that when the women won the reward challenge and the prize was the vat of yucky fish parts, it was JOANNA who ran right to the prize and held it high in the air!! Do I think she was idolizing the prize? NO, but someone could have interpreted it that way.

Grooch, I can't wait to hear Joanna's side.. the sooner, the better!

Sawheel17

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think being at the camp with women would make a Preacher cuss.:)

Sawheel17

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I meant to say Those woman.:)

Catfat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the "idol" was never meant to be a real idol with magical properties or religious significance. It was not imbued with special powers, it was not meant to represent a god or an animal or anything else worthy of worship. It was just a doll, for Pete's sake. And a really ugly little doll, at that.
Joanna is a vicious bully and it really came out when she attacked Christy, and that bit with the hand in the face was almost physical assault, apart from the verbal assault. I can't wait for her to try and explain all that away.

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to say this in defense of Joanna.

Even though I think the idol thing is stupid, for some reason that we don't know, that idol either represents or does have powers to her. Maybe she hs a logical reason, or maybe it is totally illogical. But she is afraid of it.

Someone posted that she asked for it to be buried. These women are supposed to be a team right now. Is it really to much to ask to take her uncomfortableness with the idol into account and either bury it for the time being, or place it right outside the camp, or cover it up? To find some type of compromise to make everyone happy?

And along that line of thinking, I don't blame her one bit about going on and on about it at night when they was gong to sleep. They weren't showing her any respect, so why should she respect their want for sleep.

Now, about the fight with Christy, I really can't find an excuse for it. It's one thing to blow up and lose it for a minute. But to not calm down and get over it after a period of time, just doesn't mke sense to me.

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I respectfully disagree that the women should have buried it to keep the peace. They worked hard for that Idol and won it in the face of the males' belief that there was no way they would lose a challenge to the women. The women had every right to be proud of their win. Burying the Idol would have been terribly demoralizing. We have seven women who are thrilled to have the Idol in their possession and one who not only doesn't want it anywhere around her, but wants the others to get rid of it. Who is not being a team player in this scenario? This is MHO, of course.

I also don't believe she knew nothing about the game. This is the SIXTH episode of Survivor. Come on now. Besides, she had to know enough to go through the application process. I'm very skeptical if that is indeed her claim. Again, MHO.

Jeep

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, this group of women can't show a hearing impared person some consideration or respect. Why do you think they would show some to a person who is keeping them awake at night?

Both Christy and Joanna are entitled to their opinions, whether the others think it's stupid or not. But respect.....I don't think it's gonna happen with this group.

And you're right about blowing up for a minute. We all lose our cool now and then, but common sense tells us to move on. But then again, that would be the considerate thing to do!

JMHO

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<Burying the Idol would have been terribly demoralizing>>

Aha! So the idol does have some power over the rest of them. If it didn't, it wouldn't bother them to bury it. As someone said above, it's just a stupid doll.

Jeep you are right. If these women can't show consideration to a hearing impaired person, they certainly aren't going to show consideration to a religious one.

This group is a total mess. :)

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even Rob had rules with his magic 8 ball for asking questions.

Good thing he isn't on Joanne's team. ;)

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, a huge part of Survivor is winning that Idol. Of course it has power. It represents the safety and survival of the tribe for the next few days. I don't get your argument.

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe a better compromise would have been to find a place for it that Joanna was at peace with, but that still left the others to enjoy it.

I still don't think Joanna has any business being on Survivor if she feels that strongly against the Immunity Idol. If she TRULY did not know it was involved, she could have calmly explained her views and then sucked it up and dealt with it between her and God as most of us do when we believe we have sinned. I don't think people have a problem with her religion, but with her forcing her own specific beliefs on others.

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My point is that people keep saying that she is acting stupid about the idol. Because it is just a prop that doesn't mean anything. But now you are saying that it does hold power.

So since it does hold power, then in Joanne's mind, she may interpret the way that people act to get it and act around it that as worshipping it. I am just pointing it out to posters who dismiss Joanne's right to be leery of it. Religion is a very personal thing.

The whole point right now is for the team to get along and work together. They cannot change Joanne's feelings about the idol. I honestly don't see the big idea of putting the stupid thing in that box to shut her up.

The immunity necklace is a huge deal also, but they don't wear it for the entire 3 days. They hang it up and put it on when they go to TC.

Calamity

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I respectfully disagree that this team ought to waste time & energy burying the Immunity Idol. It would probably take them four days and nights to figure out how to dig a hole anyway. :)

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, I think that Joanna is perfectly within her rights as a person to feel that the Idol is wrong. But she is a contestant on Survivor now and part of a tribe that competes to win it and who MUST win it if they are to survive. That being the case, compromise is necessary on Joanna's part also.

But I agree that this tribe is not very good at compromising.

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<Maybe a better compromise would have been to find a place for it that Joanna was at peace with, but that still left the others to enjoy it. >>

That's what I'm saying.

I agree, she most likely doesn't belong on Survivor. But who the heck knows? Maybe she did try to calmly explain it to them and they refused to listen.

These are the strangest group of women I ever saw. Maybe a few of the girls saw it bother her and they were purposely pushing her buttons to make her act whacky, so they could vote her out and they would be safe. Just like granola gate.

I just have a hard time reconciling the fact that she is a guidence councelor, has her masters, passed all the interviews, not know about the idol in the first place, etc, etc and they are showing us a woman that appears to be totally bonkers. Something is going on.

People have even posted that they think Jeanne instigated the fight with Christy and Joanne.

I would just like to hear Joanne's side of the story.

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO!!!! Calamity!

That is soooooooooooo true. :)

Kaili

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lol Calamity- Maybe they can make a shelter for when they get it since they are so skilled at that as well.

I don't think it is that it "has power", but it's symbolic of not having to go to TC and it's a reward.

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! Calamity! Yeah, they don't have their act together very well. Can you say, "early merge, please!!"

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, Herm. I'm at work and keep getting distracted so by the time I answer one post, it looks like I'm answering your second post.

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, we keep posting on top of each other, but that's okay but I think we finally reached a compromise ourselves! :)

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I may be eating my posts after tonight's show though. I don't think you need to worry about having to do that. :)

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, If I regurgitated the number of posts of mine that I HAVE had to eat, it would make quite a mess on my carpet, so don't feel bad.

Fruitbat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Passes salt to Grooch.