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Clp

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty

TVGuide.com only has the generic description of "An 11th player is voted out. Jeff Probst is the host". However, there is a description about Ep. 12 (fire in camp), so it is a little odd that there is one for Ep. 12 and not Ep. 11.

Here is the transcript of the web preview that hints at a shocking TC.


Quote:

VO: CBS Thursday, not since Richard in the original Survivor, has anyone manipulated the game...
Jenna <to Rob>: I don't see how you can lie to all these people!
VO: ...like Rob!
Matt: The guy's a weenie.
VO: Can he be stopped?
Jenna <to Rob>: I'll make your life miserable.
Rob: Ughhhhhhh.
VO: And a tribal council surprise you won't believe!
Jenna: When I heard the vote I almost passed out.


Alaginger

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The voice-over is from the CBS Website Promo Video, Web!!! I think you said you can't get that.....so I'll tell you this.
(1) Matt is smiling when he calls Rob a weenie, so he is not saying it in a hateful way, but he does say it in a way that means he actually believes that.
(2) Jenna saying about almost passing out when she heard the vote has got to be when Alex was voted out.

Csnog

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Jenna said that she almost passed out when she heard the vote, it is possible that she said that after Alex was voted off and we just get to see it in this episode.

Pamy

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Or does she mean this vote when Heidi goes? Either way I just can't wait for Thurs!!!! One of them is going down and the other one is gonna suffer!!!!

Clp

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I almost think "the tribal council (we) won't believe" is the actual meeting at TC and not neccessarily the vote.

I think we are gonna see a big let-it-all-hang-out-let-it-fly-b*lls-to-the-wall "come to Jesus" meeting.

I could see everyone but Butch and Matt let fly with what they think.

Yes, even Christy, she has alot of opinions about H & J and I think given the opportunity, she can dish as well as she can take.

Pamy

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good thinking Clp!! I agree that this is the best and least predictable(if we didn't have CO!) since the 1st Survivor!

Micknrc

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
or is it the tie we've all been waiting (make that longing) for...?

Auntiemike

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
maybe a tie between Heidi and Jenna????? Hmmmmmmm.

Webkitty

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to re-visit this comment that Jeff made in a radio interview earlier in the season.
He was responding to a question about what surprises him the most about the game of Survivor.

........."You can have a situation where a certain person is in the driver's seat and all they have to do to get to the final two is to just not drive the car off the road, and you show up at a challenge or tribal council and before you know it, they are turning so hard to the right; they're in the ditch they are past the detour sign, they are so far past go that you can't even get them back. And you think, how did this happen? Well it happened because they can't change who they are, and either an event happened that cause them to react, or something was said at tribal council and before you know it, they are sticking their foot so far down their throat that it's lodged forever. .............The thing that surprises me is that nothing is for certain. We will sit there and say, "OK, it looks like it's these five against these three, and it's going to be a numbers game", and then you show up and, all of a sudden, it's a big shift; we are are now at four vs four. Well, so and so said something to such and such and now they are mad at each other and they are going to switch tribes and the other guy doesn't know it. And you're going, "Oh my God, how did this happen? They are screwing up their whole game." But you can't change their nature."

Webkitty

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And thanks to everyone for responding and helping me out with the voice overs, etc!!

Micknrc

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know Kitty, I'm still waiting...maybe that tie is actually at 3-3...

Rob must drive himself off the road to go from F4 from one group, to F5 with the other.

Although, there's also the prevailing wisdom (which we've already seen Matt, Christy, et al speaking to) that since he's shown himself to be fluid in his alliances and out for #1, they use that excuse to take him out.

Webkitty

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 05:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That statment by Jeff could just be a compilation of events over the years, but I don't think so.

I think what Jenna says about Rob DOES force words with Matt and Rob. They are mad at each other at the time, but Matt gets over it and still intends to vote out Heidi or Jenna but Rob doesn't know this. He thinks HE is a target. Then, Matt becomes the hero of the day when he gives the reward to Christy. Matt is no longer a desirable candidate for F2. He is LIKED.
Rob feels threatened, so he goes to J/H and offers to force a tie by voting for Matt. This is the best offer and hope they have, so even though they are still ticked at Rob, they agree. (they don't know Matt and Rob had words, they think their on their own)

When the tie happens, B/C/M are shocked and know Rob turned. He is usually good at talking his way out of a tight spot, but this time he sticks his foot down his throat and drives his car off the road.
Next time, Jenna joins M/C/B to vote him off
You shoulda stayed with the plan Rob.

Ep 12, there is a fire, and Christy gets sick from the smoke and begs to be voted off. They do because Jenna wins immunity.

Jenna wins the last immunity and takes Matt over Butch. Matt wins.


Either that, or Matt pretends he isn't mad at what Jenna tells him about Rob, but secretly decides to vote for Rob knowing Jenna and Heidi will too.
He figures Rob or Christy going, either is good.
Butch and Christy are still out of the loop, thinking they are going to vote for Christy.(because Jenna wins immunity) Rob votes for Heidi too, causing a tie. There are words, and Rob says something to put him next in line for the boot.

Micknrc

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
KittyDude-

I'm sort of with you -- but what happened at the 'tie'? (the BCM alliance win and get heidi out?)
i'm liking both your scenarios...I think you're onto the end game..

only more confused by " Butch and Christy are still out of the loop, thinking they are going to vote for Christy."

Webkitty

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think B/C/M/R decide to vote out Heidi or Jenna early in the show. If Matt decides to switch at the last minute to vote Rob, he may not tell Butch and Christy, because Butch and Christy REALLY want Heidi out. They might balk and blow it for him. (I am assuming Jenna wins IC)
This would sort of be a hairbrained move on Matt's part, but maybe he feels the time is right to try and take over. Butch likes him, Jenna is pissed at Rob, Christy will LOVE him if he gives the reward to her. Its still risky on anyone's part to take the chance that Heidi and Jenna wouldn't be broken up though.

The tie, I think there almost has to be one. If they all vote for Heidi, that wouldn't make for a very shocking TC. Unless, the shocking part is mayhem before the vote. Maybe they all unload on Heidi before they vote her out. Maybe it gets ugly.
That vid-cap of Rob is nagging me though. The look on his face tells me its more than just ragging on Heidi before they vote her out. It looks like he got a close call because Matt voted agaist him and he didn't expect it. or, just got busted by showing his hand that he voted with the brats.

I want Rob to win damit! I wish he would get a side part real fast, lol.
Actually, after he is busted by Jenna, he COULD be the F2 male that was less liked than the F2 female. .....reaching......

The other vid-cap of Jeff holding up the vote. That has to be the vote that says there is a tie. I wonder if its a purple rock. (love the purple rock!)

Csnog

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I found an explanation of the John Nash theory and its use in past survivor series. It is a very interesting read and very long.

Watching2

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 09:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since I only watched some of the first Survivor and just jumped on board as a total addict the last time, could someone explain the purple rock to me and "Pagonning?" Thanks! :)

Wargod

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The purple rock was used once before, Watching. During TC, there was a tie, and the Survivors had to chose a colored rock out of a bag. The one who got the purple rock was booted from the tribe. The thing was though, the guy who got the purple rock had not had any votes against him (at least at that TC,) but he was the one to go.

Pagonging, if I remember right, is when after the merge, one team gangs up and votes the other team out until the first team is the last ones there then they have to boot each other. In previous games, at this point, you could pretty much figure out what former tribe the winner would be from. Or something like that, LOL.

Whoami

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 02:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
War's right about the Pagonging. And, just to add, Pagong was one of the original tribes in Survivor I.

Tagi, the "dominant" tribe (due to the core alliance of Rich, Rudy, Sue and Kelley), picked off everyone from Pagong after the merge.

Alaginger

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 04:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG ...... over at TDT, which also refers us over to discussions going on at Survivor Phoenix, there is a speculation that maybe the surprise at TC that is mentioned in the promo for next week is: (and I summarize)
"Heidi wins immunity. Heidi gives her immunity necklace to Jenna at TC. Heidi gets voted out at TC."
Wow .... I've got to think on this for awhile, because I can't imagine anybody giving up that immunity necklace, expecially somebody who knows that they would be the next one picked! That definitely would be a surprise...that's for sure!

Maris

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 05:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That would be perfect. I could absolutely see that happening. Heidi would probably think she has Rob's, Matt's and Jenna's vote. She can afford to give I dont think Heidi has any idea that she would or could be the next one picked because her ego just wouldnt let that enter the equation. Can anyone remember a certain someone who won a Golden Veto in BB and did not use it??

Csnog

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 07:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am a wondering about Jeffs attitude towards Jenna.

Jeff made the comment that the auction should be fun. Did he deliberately offer another letter so that Jenna could get it?

Jeff also said that there was not a better way of spending an afternoon. Have a little peanut butter and chocolate and a little love from home.

Why mention the PB/C when he had all the other food to mention.

Is Jeff soft on Jenna?

Webkitty

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris, that had to be one of the all time great moments of BB.

The thing is about Heidi giving up the IN to Jenna.
Heidi kept bidding on the first letter until only Christy had the money to buy it. Then, she bid against Jenna for the second letter, KNOWING how important that letter was to Jenna.
This shows (to me) that Heidi thinks of Heidi. Friendship be damned.
Heidi wants to win, I can't see her giving up the IN for anyone, even Jenna.
Heidi knows she is in just as much danger as
Jenna, she has no reason to think Rob is on her side now. Matt either; even if Rob goes to them and says he will vote with them to force a tie with Matt. (Rob knows they will vote for him if he doesn't cut a deal. He knows the game of Survivor and is probably worried about previous votes coming back to bite him if there is a tie at F4.)
In that case, Heidi would still have a 50/50 chance of getting the boot. I can't see it happening. But hey, anything is possible.

That VO that says not since Richard has anyone manipulated the game (re: Rob) makes me think the shock is going to be him flipping once again. Tie that in with Jeff's comment that someone had it made to the F2 but drove their car off the road, and I think the drama is going to revolve around Rob.
This wouldn't seem so shocking to US that spoil, but would to the GVA. I have to keep reminding myself about that. Sometimes when I get too wiggy with my speculations, I'll call my mother who ONLY watches the show, and ask her what she thinks will happen, and what would be a surprise. Its an eye opener. She was SHOCKED when Deena got the boot, she will be SHOCKED when Matt makes F2. She thought Deena and Rob were going to be the F2. Although, ANYONE giving the IN away at this point would be a shock. I'll have to think about this some more.

Alaginger

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Web, that Heidi bidding against Jenna for a letter does show she is for Heidi, so I doubt if she would willingly give up the IN. I also thought that maybe, Christy won immunity and gave the necklace to Jenna to make sure Heidi leaves....but Christy has not cared for either on of those gals, so I ruled that out. I've wondered if Rob thinks that by forcing a tie, he has only a 1 in 6 chance of getting the "purple rock" (if that's what the tie-breaker is), so he figures to let the rock decide....but by doing that he seals his fate with the M/B/C group if all 3 of them are left after the tie. So, the only surprise left I can think of is that neither Jenna nor Heidi wins immunity, and Heidi gets voted out over Jenna, and that is a surprise to both Heidi and Jenna and the viewing audience after the way Jenna is being played up this week as the "bad guy".

Webkitty

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I just talked to Mom, (she JUST watches the show) and I asked her what would be "shocking" next ep.
She said, if Rob switches alliances AGAIN. She said Heidi giving up the IN to Jenna wouldn't be THAT shocking because they are "friends".

Alaginger

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Over at Survivor Fever, they are showing that the TC pictures I posted 4/25, around 1PM, are from the TC for Episode 9. I was going to come in here and post later that we needed to notice that neither Heidi nor Rob are wearing the IN, but if those shots aren't even from the Episode 11 TC, NEVERMIND!!!