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Moondance

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Get out of my head MsKitty!

Hi MsPamy!!!

Clp

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS Website episode clues


Quote:

ON THE NEXT SURVIVOR:

Matthew makes an incredible sacrifice so that others can be given the opportunity of a lifetime. But the newfound respect Matthew enjoys makes Rob rethink his new alliance.

Still stung by Rob's betrayal of the alliance, an enraged Jenna tells the entire tribe about Rob's secret plans, revealing his strategies to everyone. Will Jenna's revelations turn the tribe against Rob?

Feeling ostracized and betrayed, Jenna and Heidi refuse to help out around camp. Will this put the final nails in their coffins?




The clues are much more specific this week! Everything looks ripe for Milkshaky's spoiler that Heidi goes this week!

Clue 1 - I think Matthew gives up the family challenge to someone. My gues is Christy because in the caps shown here

rob&butch
jenna&heidi

we see everyone but Matt and Christy. These shots FOLLOW the RC despite the way they are shown in the promo because (1) Rob tells Jenna she can write down his name tommorrow night and (2)you can see behind Jenna the tree calendar marking day 32, RC is on day 31, IC on day 32, TC on day 33. SO, Matt lets Christy win the visit and she gets to take him along ala' Dr. Sean and Rich from S1.

Does the respect for Matt make Rob go back to the cute alliance? No way, then he will have alienated everyone.

Clue 2 - Jenna will not turn everyone against Rob because the MBC will be in a tie situation.

Clue 3 - YES! Nail in Heidi's coffin. I think Jenna might win immunity this week, because I think they would rather get rid of Jenna at this point!

Can't wait to see y'alls take!

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sound good..

Hermi.. I put as much detail as I could over in the tonight's show thread.

Big Christy things..

She had lots of air time tonight, very animated, smiling after she was "in the loop" and especially after it worked! She was adorable in braids at TC.

The biggie to me was how Jenna dissed Christy for getting the letter but Heidi also bid and bid higher than Jenna's available money so Christy outbidding Heidi meant nothing (unless she was planning to buy Jenna's letter but that was NEVER said or implied).. and Heidi aldo bid in the seond letter auction but did stop short of outbidding Jenna.

i also didn't see that Christy was shut out of the foor.. she was quite active in the bidding but just stopped short or didn't bid on some items.

Believe me she was really really happy and cried over her letter.. go read the other thread; you'll love it.

Ruditoo

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alaginger a big THANK YOU for those great pics!

Webkitty

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 05:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Ginger, you have been so on top of things this season, well done.
I agree, it looks like Christy gets the visit from home. I'll be crying tears of joy for her! I am going to be one of those that hope CO got the final boot order wrong.
But, in ep 12, the TV guide says someone gets so sick they beg to be voted off, I fear this is Christy, which would fulfill her going at F4 I hope not.

Next Thursday there will be a possiblity of a tie, but I don't think so. I bet Heidi is voted out 5-1. And its also a good possiblity that Jenna wins immunity.

For me, this season has been the most exciting since S1. NO pagonging. Everything has changed from week to week, mostly due to Rob and his fluid game plan. Love it!

I'll have to watch my tape again, for some reason that whole dissing of Christy regarding the letter went right over my head.

Its looking more and more like Matt COULD be our winner this season, wow.

Awareinva

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 06:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alaginger, I made you a folder over at the TVCH message board. You have "mail"!

Alaginger's folder

Awareinva

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clp, Thanks for posting what is on the CBS website- I never like going over there much (too many clicks to get to the good info). Those clues are great, and your pics do seem to show Matt and Christy gone when the big confrontation erupts- what a great IC clue! Kudos!!

Webkitty

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 06:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooops Clp, that was you that posted that, not Ginger! Sorry about that! Well, you've BOTH done a great job here this year. (overslept, still foggy, lol)

Alaginger

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well.......Good Morning everybody. What a bunch of nice surprises I'm getting here today. Lots of "thank you" notes, and my own special folder (didn't have a clue how to make one), and some really good detective work by Clp. WOW!!!

Clp .... I heard Rob tell Jenna she could put his name down tomorrow night, but that went right over my head that it was after the RC. Also, I didn't notice the calendar in the picture. Good Catch. Anybody that taped the show last night...do you know if Heidi is around during that scene where Jenna is chewing Rob out?

I don't ever remember anybody who won a reward challenge which involved spending time alone with a family member, taking another Survivor along. So, I don't think Matthew is absent because he went on some trip with Christy and her loved one. I do think he made it possible for her to win it, though.

I'm going to go look for some more clues.....

Hermione69

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey! Thank you for the West Coast spoiling! It was great! My brother did tape the show and we watch it together tonight! I can't wait and thanks for everyone's help!

Alaginger

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm back.......have been out scouting!!!

"One of you will win a visit from your loved one."
This is the wording for next week's show. Notice it doesn't necessarily say they will go off to have a visit. It could mean that the loved one will get to visit the camp.....like Kathy's son did.

group
Two things about this picture caught my eye.
(1) Is Christy wearing an ace bandage around her lower right calf?
(2) Jenna has her machete in her hand for the RC. That drew my eyes to some of the others and you can see the machete's hanging off of some of the other players (in their casings, of course). This suggests to me that the RC is physical rather than mental, unless they have been carrying those things around to all of the RC's before and I haven't noticed.

Gina8642

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I noticed Christy wearing that same bandage during the show last night (tribal council?). So, whatever it is for isn't new....

Webkitty

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Go back up to the caps Ginger posted last night at 7:08pm. Matt looks like he just won the RC. Jenna is in front of him crying (again)

I think Matt wins the RC but chooses to give it to Christy. (somehow)
This will be his incredable sacrifice that will bring newfound respect, causing Rob to get nervous again.

Markopolo has his transcripts of the Insider up and posted over at Sucks spoiling board for this last episode. VERY interesting!
Heidi and Jenna have ALREADY said that if Christy wins the family visit thinks will get ugly.

Its also heartbreaking to read that Christy feels left out even at Christmas dinner with her own family. Damn!
Lots of good stuff, go read it

Hermione69

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 07:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi WebkittY!

It's really great stuff. I just came from there. Copied this to share but there is a lot more:

"TEAM CRAZY

Jenna (confessional): (laughs) Rob coined the phrase Team crazy as Matt, Butch and Christy because they are just crazy. They do crazy things at crazy times. They go fishing and don't come back with any fish. They go and chop firewood at the freakin hottest time of the day. They are just crazy. But that's fine. Whatever -- do what you want. Collect firewood, and we'll just hang out.

Heidi (confessional): Yeah, Team crazy consists of Butch, Matt, and occasionally Christy when she wants to be with them. We call them team crazy, because they are always doing the craziest, oddball stuff. Butch is talking with himself telling himself what he is getting ready to do. Matt is in the jungle barefoot. And we have specific guidelines to never walk around barefoot. And along with the million other Matt stories. ...I mean that's just one thing. Matt is in the boat and we have like 2-3 hooks left, so every time the hook gets caught, Matt goes jumping into the water where there's 1000s of piranha and fish that can go up like every orifice in your body.

And Matt is sitting there jumping into eight feet of water trying to get the hook off. It literally is Team Crazy; I don't know any other way to describe it.

(clip shows Matt in the water not being able to find hook).

Heidi (confessional): And then you add Christy to the whole mix, and she doesn't fit with anything or anyone and you just have the most oddball group out there on a fishing boat, and you're scared they might not come back and you're even more scared that they might not get any fish. It's just a circus.

Alex (confessional): Team Crazy is mostly Butch and Matt, but Christy is a sub on Team Crazy, cuz Matt and Butch are a little nuts, especially Matt. He's gone from crazy scaring us to crazy really amusing us. Butch a lot of the times mumbles to himself. You can see him in a gray robe and slippers just mumbling at himself. They are definitely Team Crazy.

Jenna (confessional): But Team Crazy doesn't know they are Tean Crazy so we have to keep it a secret.

Rob (confessional): Matt is crazy. But the last couple days to a week he has kind of blossomed. When he won the immunity challenge it became out in the open that Matt is crazy. And now it's like instead of being the crazy guy you wouldn't invite to the party and you wouldn't even tell there was a party -- he's the crazy guy that the party wouldn't be complete if he wasn't there.
......It's a nice transformation that he's gone through. Maybe I've even changed now that I've gotten to know him better and see another side of him. The guy cracks me up, and not because I'm not laughing at him, but now I am laughing at him, with him. And it's a nice thing for all of the parties. He's going to play a bigger role in this game than I think he ever imagined he would.""

Hermione69

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
More:

"More Insider Ep 11: MATT AND ROB STRATEGIZE
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MATT AND ROB STRATEGIZE
You saw Rob approach Matt to have 'the most important conversation of the game.' Insider takes you back to the strategic moment and reveals the entire conversation in which Rob decides to switch his alliance.

*******In this video, Rob makes a Final Four pact with Matthew.

Rob -- Who do you see me talking to all day long?

Matt -- Jenna?

Rob -- Jenna, Heidi and Alex. That's the four. And Deena was the fifth. That was going to be the final five.

Matt -- Did they want Deena, too?

Rob -- What happened was. Deena -- she wanted to get rid of you last time around. That was the plan. You were going to go at the last tribal council.

Matt -- But I got immunity?

Rob -- But what happened was, before that. The day before, Deena said, if Matt wins immunity, Alex needs to go. And that f****d everything for her, because the girls went back and told Alex. And I didn’t want to vote off Alex either.
......And Alex said, “We'll still vote off Matt. But if Matt wins immunity, then Deena's going to get kicked off.” But then that changed. Everybody has grown to like you and see how hard you work. And if Deena sticks around, She is going to cause all the Sh*T to hit the fan in the camp. That was the day of the reward challenge when you came in second to Alex.
......Then that next day, Deena decided, “forget about voting Matt, Alex needs to go.” So both of them changed their minds and both of them decided the other needed to go. Both of them thought that me, Heidi and Jenna were going to vote with them.
.....Then what happened, you won immunity, ironically enough. And Deena lost to you, sealing her own fate.

Matt -- I thought everyone was still, like, behind me, but in reality, it would have been me.

Rob -- And it's supposed to be you tomorrow. Now, I've sworn my all to the four. They've been very arrogant. They've already decided that they are the final four.

Matt -- Which four are they?

Rob -- Alex, Jenna, Heidi and myself. Those are the four.

Rob -- What sealed it for me this morning was when we overheard Alex and Heidi talking. I have the most to lose here. Number one if Alex wins immunity, I don’t know what we’re going to do. I guess we can vote off one of the girls.
……I'll tell you and Butch this right now. When I betray those three in the shelter, when they are on the jury, there is no way they are going to vote for me. I am basically giving someone a free ticket to whoever brings me into the final two.

Matt -- Without Alex, dude, I have the strength to win any physical immunity. I do.
……They have totally secluded themselves.

Rob -- They're arrogant and Alex has done about 10 things in this game. He said, once Dave and Roger are out, I'll step aside. You guys go ahead. He keeps saying that, but he's never going to do it.
.....This is what makes me so mad...that the girls are so mad at Christy yesterday that she bid on the letters against them.

Matt -- They're spoiled

Rob -- The girls said if it there comes up a challenge for a visit from somebody from home. They said that if Christy tries to win it that there is going to be bloody murder. This is how they feel about the game. That you Christy and Butch are so lucky to be here. That we're just stringing you guys along. It's like a Greek drama. ......These guys are arrogant, and I was going along with them, because that was...

Matt -- you we're riding it.

Rob -- Yeah.
……You tell me what you want to swear.

Matt -- Swear that we get to the Final Four.

Rob -- I swear that we will get to the final four.

Matt -- You're the only person who's ever done that with me.

Rob -- It's not charity and who deserves the money more.

Matt -- Jenna and Heidi, what have they done?

Rob -- They don't do any work. They just talk about how they deserve the money and blah blah blah.

Matt -- My last question is Christy. That's the one thing we have to work on. Butch is fine.

Rob -- Christy hates those guys.

Matt -- Great, so you can speak to Christy first.

Rob -- Yeah I'll talk to Christy

Matt -- What do you think are the chances of our group winning this immunity challenge based on what happened today. Do you feel comfortable?

Rob -- I think I have a good chance of winning this. Here's the thing. Those three...they all put themselves for each thing. They only know what they're thinking. Do you think Jenna and Heidi know what you think about anybody? Do you think they know what Christy is thinking? I think I have the best chance. I have a working relationship with each player. I have a good memory. And, you know what? They don't even know what I think and I am in their alliance.

Matt -- Let's do it. Let's be tight. This is going to work. I'm excited.

Rob (in confessional) -- If Christy, Butch and Matt don't see things my way I can get screwed here. They can go to Alex, Heidi and Jenna and tell them of my shenanigans in this matter. If that happens, I am going to go home tomorrow night.
.....I am going to try to win immunity.. That is the ultimate insurance policy in this plan."

This is all from:
http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=15921.topic

Alaginger

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Web....just for clarification, the picture you are referring to with Matt smiling, is a smile because he was just told they will be playing for a visit from a loved one. That picture is before the RC. Good try, though........and I have been known to eat my words (LOL).

Thanks Web and Hermie for the information from the Insider. Really good stuff!!!

Webkitty

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love how Christy swears like a trooper. Nothing like the F word to nail home a point, lol. I feel for BECAUSE she is so tough, she doesn't have a "poor me" bone in her body. I've liked that about her from the first show. I was afraid she would pour on the pity party but no, she is a fighter! WTG Christy.

Did anyone notice that her letter was from a friend and not her family? When I read in the Insider about how she has a tough time at Christmas dinner, this added to the thought that even her family excludes her. I hate that.

Pamy

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved Christy before, but hearing her say the F word brought tears to my eyes!

Webkitty

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Pamy!! (how did I know you would see it like that? lol)

Marej

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who will the final 2 be?

Hermione69

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marej, spoilers from different sources indicate it will be Jenna and Matthew. We are all indulging in some wishful thinking because most of us do not wish to see Jenna go that far!!

Alaginger

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is some good information at the CBS website on the web-video-promo. So far, I haven't seen any still shots taken from it so that I can upload them here.........but it looks like the RC is physical there on the beach. I had to look at it about 10 times because I thought it could be footage from a prior Survivor, but it looks like Rob's green shirt to me. Also, it says something about a surprise vote at the TC. There is a clip of Jenna saying that when she heard the votes read, she almost fainted........but I have a feeling she is talking about the voting off of Alex. Just another CBS mislead there!!!

Calamity

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's probably all been said already...Yea Christy! Boo Jenna & Heidi! Alex, thank God you're an idiot. Rob, I'm not sure how much of a weasel you really are but thank you for being so entertaining and breaking up the Playboy alliance. Matthew, I'm a vegetarian and your hunting/fishing interests put me off at first but now you may actually be my favorite Survivor in a long time. Darn, I can't think of anything to say to Butch. Oh, bleh to Jeff for giving Jenna a second chance at the letters. I know he asked Christy if it was okay but, come on, would anyone - could anyone - say "no"?

I'm already feeling bad for booing Jenna & Heidi. I've sorta defended them a couple times in the past but last night was just too much.

Btw, my dog's name is Alex and he kept looking around trying to figure out who was calling him last night as Jeff read the names off, lol!

Clp

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good spoiling today!
Alaginger

Quote:

I don't ever remember anybody who won a reward challenge which involved spending time alone with a family member, taking another Survivor along. So, I don't think Matthew is absent because he went on some trip with Christy and her loved one. I do think he made it possible for her to win it, though.




In the first Survivor Dr. Sean won the reward to visit with his Dad on a yacht overnight. he got to pick someone to take along and he chose Rich to go to get himself further along in the game. I think Matt must throw the challenge to Christy to (1)Piss off Jenna & Heidi, (2) to solidify his alliance with Christy, and (3) to not win too much himself.

Herm, thanks for the transcripts. I'm getting a new respect for Rob after reading that he switched sides not just for selfish reasons but because he realizes his original alliance were not all they were cracked up to be.

I have been happy all along with what we think will be a Jenna win, but now I like Matt so much because I think he is playing his situation just right. Maybe there will be some surprises after all.

Alaginger

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pictures starting to come in. They are a bit blurry because there is definitely action at Challenge Beach.
11-1
Notice this picture seems to be the mirror image of the line-up from the previous post I made yesterday. Did they move, or is one of these 2 pictures reversed......? Also, notice the machetes don't seem to be in this picture.
11-2
11-3
11-4
Questions: Is that a wheel-barrow between Rob and Jenna? Are Butch and Matt working as a team, or individually?
matt
Picture where Matt says that Rob is a Weiny!!!
TC1
TC2
TC3
Previews say there is a surprise at TC. JP holds up the card, but it has been blacked-out to us.
Heidi has a small, surprised look.
Rob has a very sheepish look, and blowing out of air to let it go (I do that same thing).