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Maris

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Rob voted for Jenna because he was ticked that Matt threw the last immunity and Rob knew that if Jenna won the immunity he was a goner. In his rationale he blamed Matt for his not being in the final two.

Crazydog

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The game does involve a little bit of luck. It always has. Tina got lucky that Colby picked her instead of Keith. Ethan got lucky that Kim Johnson disliked Lex more than him. Vecepia got lucky that Pascal picked the purple rock. I have no problem with Jenna using a little bit of luck to get to where she did. I think by virtue of lasting until the end, she played a good game.

Crazydog

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Missapril, it's not about who is the better person and better player. The interesting part of the game is that in order to win, you have to vote other people out, and those are the same people who you are going to need to gain the support of. In the eyes of 6 of those people, Jenna must have done something to make her better liked.

I highly doubt that she paid everyone off. There is absolutely no support for that allegation. But since you are so convinced that it happened I suppose it's not worth debating.

Wendo

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And to add to Crazydog, she won the final two immunity challenges. IMO, that's not luck.

Maris

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wrong show never mind

Aus10

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Duncan....please don't think I think all MO. folks are like Heidi. Even though Butch had his strange little quirks, he all and all represented our part of Illinois well. It's quite discerning when you say your from Illinois and the first thing people say is "OH Chicago". IL is a big state and people like us in Southern IL are not like Chicagoian's at all. Neither better nor worse, just different. And Heidi definately fits that bill as a MO. resident....she's definetly different. :)

Mikedao

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jenna deserved to win...plain and simple..who won more immunity challenges...who won the ones that really counted at the end...same scenario as Vecepia...I think that Matt creeped out most of the jury...Matt did things for the adventure and really worked hard but did not play the game so to speak...if that was what it takes to win Rob played the best of all of them...having the balance challenge at the end was very unfair though...not challenging enough...should have been holding onto a totem pole or something...that takes endurance, strength and will...I still think the final two to hang on should make the final two...

Gina8642

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I actually think, from a personal perspective, that this final result is extremely funny.

I remember complaining after S3 that they (MB et al) send out too many players who have NO interest in playing the game and all they care about is who they like, or who is the best survivalist etc.

(From my perspective, like him or not, Brian from S5 played one of the very best seasons ever. He had GAME and he worked hard)

Now after S6, I find myself wishing that Matt would have got more credit for his hard work around camp, but he didn't. This season I got my wish, everyone (except Butch) was interested in playing the GAME. GAME playing credit was the only credit anyone gave out during the jury, they didn't give any consideration to any other sort of contribution (clean water, fish, etc.).

So now the game is totally flip flopped, and it is very funny to me that I'm wishing for the opposite of what I wished for before.

Csnog

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS may have been unable to keep the identity of the final two in Survivor: The Amazon a secret. However, they did a much better job concealing the location of Survivor 7. Last night, during the finale of the current Survivor, CBS announced that the next edition would take place on the Pearl Islands off Panama, near Bocas del Toro. In fact, the show will be called Survivor: Pearl Islands, to differentiate it from Survivor: Panama, the second (and so far, last) version of the show in the U.K.

As in the U.K. show, each tribe will have its own island during the early part of the show, with tribal council taking place on a third island. Filming will take place during the migration season, to enhance the natural beauty. A map of the islands can be found in a Flash window on the U.K. site, by clicking on the image of the islands on the bottom right of the page.

Although Panama is consistent with the rumors of a Central American or Caribbean site for the next Survivor, CBS managed to mislead the folks at Survivor Maps, who 'discovered' that the location would be Mexico. This is similar to Survivor Maps' previous confirmation of Jordan as the site for Survivor 4, which was actually held in the Marquesas Islands. Score another point for CBS in its war against spoilers.

Hopefully, the challenges derived from local history won't include fighting outbreaks of malaria, digging canals, or driving crooked dictators.out of their palaces by blasting them with loud rock music.

Gina8642

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think S4 was to take place in Jordan. Due to Sept 11 they made an extemely last minute change to Marquesas. I remember Jeff saying everything (camera equipment, etc.) was already shipped to Jordan and they couldn't get it back in time. They had to go totally from scratch to Marquesas - and did a great job too!

The Pearl Islands sounds like fun - lot's of sunscreen, but fun.

Allietex

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought I posted this earlier but I must have forgotten to click on the post button.

Does anyone know what the loud bang was at one of the TCs last night. Everyone ducked, Jeff said "Whoa!" and then they got the show back on track quickly. Did the roof blow off or something?

Auntiemike

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Allie: it looked like a tree branch feel into TC - totally unplanned. Took them by surprise.

Meggieprice

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A branch fell right next to and almost on to Butch just as he was about to ask his question.

Maris

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mark Burnett said this morning on the early show that the next survivor would be in Panama and would have a "pirate" theme.

Donut

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok, am I missing something in these threads, or am i just deluded, but there was one thing and one thing only that had my full attention at the finale, and hubby noticed it big time too. Yet, i dont see ANY mention of it...
What is the story with Jenna and Matt???????
Am I just naive to the beguiling ways of swimsuit models, posing all cozy with their competition??

But I, and hubby to some extent too, thought for sure that there was something romantic going on there. I tried to see it just as sibling like support and affection, but the way he held her leg, and she moved his arm familiarly from her back to place his hand in her two hands, to the final glance in his direction at the end when Jeff mentioned getting her check on the am show...

Have i missed a whole post about this, or has noone else really noticed or cared about this????
am i just a big sentimental boob looking for some redeeming quality on the show??
i SWEAR it looked like romance

Maris

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The redeeming quality of the show is that it kept us transfixed right up until the final vote. How many other survivor shows have you watched where you knew who would win, you knew who was getting evicted every week.

This show didnt need to be redeemed. I am just trying to figure out what the twist will be next time. Maybe the audience gets one vote on the final jury.

Hermione69

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Donut, people have been commenting on it. Some think she was just nervous and giddy and he was just the one there to grab onto, others think they did seem a little too close. Depends on who you ask. Matt, however, is supposedly dating a girl in DC, just read that in another thread.

He cleaned up really well. Maybe, too, Jenna was just dazzled by that. I sure was! :)

Neko

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alright...one main thing to comment about the finale...

ETHAN!!!!

With that out of the way,
Best. Jeff "Travel" Scene. EVER.
I was laughing so hard the entire time, and him almost missin g the train.
*giggle giggle*

Matt cleans up very well I may add also..
Rob was a cutie with the joking and the smiling..
ALMOST made me forget the lying and manipulation..but not quite

Also, Jenna seems grown (up) for her expierence on Survivor...while Heidi..well..

She seemed still like a child and snobby brat.
To me.

Also, could her excuse for everything she did NOT be "her athletism"??
Because it seemed to me, she said that in every answer she gave...

Crossfire

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heidi seems to fall on the claim of playing as an athlete as the explanation for a lot of what happened and sometimes in places where it does not seem to apply.

When she claims to be an athlete, I think what she is really talking about, is being competitive. I find when I make that substitution it often makes her statements fit the situation s bit better.

Cricket

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Neko's post. Heidi just doesn't 'get' how she comes across.

I too thought Jenna was somewhat close to Matt (and he did clean up nice.)

Because I accidentally saw who won (on AOL front page) before I watched the taped show, I was laughing out loud at those fool men when they said they chose to take Jenna with them rather than Heidi because she would have been a more formidable competitor. Even though she talks a good game about being athletic, wasn't she the one who couldn't untie the ropes in her last competition? I sincerely doubt she would have won the next to last competition like Jenna did.

Those silly, silly men. They thought wrong.

Pirate

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 08:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jenna became likeable after Heidi was voted off. It seemed like Jenna couldn't go anywhere or do anything without Heidi attached to her. I think Heidi needed Jenna to be the "poor little me" girl so Heidi could be the "shoulder to cry on."

I have warmed up to Jenna after seeing her interviews. I think it's quite surprising that Jenna doesn't seem to mention Heidi in the interviews I've seen. Personally, it's kinda weird the way Heidi goes on and on about Jenna.

I think Jenna and Matt make a very cute couple. (Matt sure did clean up well.) They don't seem at all uneasy being around each other and being touchy-feely. Maybe we'll be hearing more about them in the days ahead.