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Alaginger

Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jenna

Does anybody know what those black marks are on Jenna's cheeks. Is that part of the show, or a cosmetic thing???

Webkitty

Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the vidcaps Ginger, your right on top of it!
I'll start taping tomorrow night, and hope I get some commercials I can post about.

I agree that Heidi spilled the beans at TC. This could be the catalyst for the fight next week.
I also think that there will be a tie and Deena will go.
I was reading over that statment that Jeff made in the radio interview. I have a question. In S4 (Marqasis)(sp) when John and his alliance blew it at the coconut chopping IC, how many were left at that point? John, Tammy, the general, Zoe, ?
Then there was Kathy, Shawn, Vee, Neleh, Pappy.
Am I leaving anyone out? That would be 9 if I'm not. The reason I ask is that I was wondering if Jeff could be refering to that incident, but I don't remember a tie. And, I can't remember any other Survivor where something similar happened, but I barely watched Africa, and Australia is vague for me, so I might be missing something.

Anyway, my point is that unless someone can remember a similar incident to what Jeff was decribing, I'm inclined to think he was refering to THIS season. If he was, it is something to hang our spoiling on for next week.

Going on that premis, I think that it is Deena that drives her car off the road. She said something to the effect that she was going 120 miles an hour but she was in control. That shouts out to me its her, and this scenario does go down like Jeff said next episode.

I'm thinking she says something to tick off Rob, and he defects to the men. She doesn't know he is doing this, and she gets 4 votes from them, and either Alex or Matt get 4 votes from the women. Purple rock, Deena goes.

I still think Rob and Matt get into it, the previews of next week show Matt looking angry, but it could be the week after, because I'm pretty sure Rob follows Deena to the yacht.

About Jenna, it looks like she is getting ready for a challenge, or just lost one. I have been over at the spoiler boards since the show ended, and they are saying those are recycyled shots from previous episodes (except for Butch) so I would have to check my tapes to see if there was a challenge where she did the black marks on her cheeks like football players do. If there is not, it looks like she may lose a challenge next week.

Webkitty

Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CBS CLUES:

* It's a scramble to the end to figure out who's next to go, as various tribe members battle it out and face unexpected developments that affect their standings with each other.

* Heidi is overcome with pain from a swollen knee and must be cared for. But does this make her vunerable?

* Matthew is convinced he should throw a challenge in order to get back under the radar. But is this smart?

* A date provides much pleasure and happiness, as well as a new point of view.

Fruitbat

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 04:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is very possible Jeff was talking about Marquesas *specifically* so as not to give Amazon facts. His point was that human nature does not change with each game so the comment *is* to be applied to the Amazon, as well, but not literally. That is my take. You can make a case for someone driving their car off the road in almost every Survivor.

If it is Rob's car, it does not necessarily mean that Deena does not go this week. She could just be a victim of some realignment without the analogy applying. Rob looks like he may run into trouble with his attitude and have a better fit with the car analogy. Either way it doesn't matter.

Deena gets bitten by a spider and apparently it was intense. I am looking to see that in the promos. If we don't, I may have some doubt to her going. They could always leave that out but I doubt it. Butches fish bite and Heidi's knee have already been mentioned. MB has always gone for the drama of injury in the promos. Just a flash..... DANGER.....booga booga.

The date. I am leaning toward Christy with one of the men. That is how she switches teams.

Matt will have a cake walk to the end. At this point, who they can win against is entering all of their minds. He is sitting pretty.

Llkoolaid

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 04:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just want to say you guys are doing a great job spoiling, I love doing this but You guys always come up with anything I can think of. I am enjoying reading all your hard work. If I think of anything new I will try and contribute.

Awareinva

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 05:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if Matt took the scary thing as a kind of strategy....at the point of the merge, if you aren't in a strong alliance, one way to stay around might be to make yourself the person that anyone could win against and everyone would want to keep! I truly believe this is why Brian and Helen latched onto Clay (although with Clay I don't think he made himself disliked on purpose...just his personality):)

At this point it would be a way for Matt to stick around and get the $100,000 vs what a #8 boot pays (gotta be a lot less than 100k). It almost looked really campy on his part with the machete sharpening... like he was playing it up a lot either out of boredom ( a strong possibility)or as a strategy. If C1 is believed (and more and more collaboration comes out each day), something happens to let Matt make F2.

Alaginger

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Matt may have spooked some people out with his "machete sharpening", but I saw him in a kindly light twice on last night's show....once when he was chatting alone with Rob (which I'm sure Rob would not go back and sing Matt's praises), but also at TC where everybody heard him speak of the tribe in a kindly manner. So, I think he is getting along with everyone better than Deena with her "Control" attitude and Rob changing colors so often is bound to be found out. So, I feel Matt is safe because other people are self-exploding.

Webkitty......the only ties I remember in my "Survivor" memory were the purple rock at TC with 4 people (Paschal, Neleh, Kathy and Vee) and prior to that I think they were all ties broken by question and answer methods. I don't remember any other ties ..... but some of the Q&A ties were larger numbers than 4. In Australia, Lindsay won the Q&A tie-breaker from the dentist (Carl?) and they went in with all 8 on that team to start with.

I didn't know that Deena got bitten by a spider???

Alaginger

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
FYI --- Over at Survivor Phoenix, they have a 3-way picture caption saying "Who Will Go", and this is the picture.
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Over at TDT they are saying it is between Deena and Alex since Rob has not lost enough weight now to be posing for his Christmas pictures that are on the Internet.

Fruitbat

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Deenas comment to Dave in the tub that Matt was the 5150 (police code for crazy)choice led me to believe they were not bonding with him all that well.

I don't think Matt has a strategy other than using his loner personality to stay on the edge, which comes naturally. In his diary talk he would have mentioned it, instead he spoke of trusting Rob.

I think the TC praise for Matt was to cover the fact that he is on the hit list. I didn't see that being sincere. Ouch I felt badly for him. I have been his supporter from the beginning.

Deena getting bitten is somewhere in this thread. I do not remember where that came from. Webkitty may know. I scanned this thread some but it is huge. I will try to find that.

Fruitbat

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm posted this from SS on March 8th....


Hi, I am a friend of one of Deena's closest friends. I was talking to her (the friend, not Deena) last night and she told me that Deena had told her some of the things that went on down there. For one, Deena eventually gets bitten by some sort of dnagerous insect that put her through a lot of pain during the end of her game. She made the jury, but did not last very long in the end game. Eventually, she becomes close to Christy, who Deena says was a replacement in her gameplan when another member rubbed her the wrong way. Deena says she thinks she played the best game out there, and was always thinking of different strategies and such. She said she really loved the politics of the game.
As for me, Ive never met Deena, but my friend is very reliable and I don't doubt her at all.

Alaginger

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Fruity --- I would like to read that about the spider. Gosh knows, I read everything...so I don't know how I missed that!!!

Over at Survivor Fever they have this beautiful (and I mean absolutely beautiful) picture of Christy. christy

Then they have a picture of Matt. matt

In between these two pictures they have an overlay picture of Christy and Matt. overlay

I think they are trying to foretell that Matt wins an award challenge and takes Christy on a date with him.......and once she really gets to know his inner feelings versus the outer creepy look he can do sometimes, maybe they form a bond. I've been waiting for her to form a bond with Butch, but this one could sneak up on us. And then, of course, it may have nothing to do with anything.......you be the judge!!! I'm only the picture catcher!!! (LOL)

Fruitbat

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I find it odd that Deena, a lawyer, would tell a friend this much. I also think she could have given false info. We talked about this at the time Herm posted it.

The bug bite would be a reasonable anecdote but the rest is against the rules of the contract.

Alaginger

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, Yes.......I do remember reading that, now that I see about the relationship to Christy. I remember when I read it that Christy was Deena's replacement for Shawna when Shawna was in her "down" period (ooohhh..I made another pun).

Okay she made it to the jury .... that's a given!
Didn't last long in the end game .... could be next week.
And got bit by a spider(?) ... we haven't seen that yet, and may never see it!

All very interesting.......thanks a bunch, Fruity.

Fruitbat

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That is beautiful of Christy. Could be.......I am convinced it is Christy who goes on the date with one of the guys.

It could also be melding still shots that are very different for dramatic effect. I favor the latter. MB usually does not give clues to the winners. He goes for the eye catching and dramatic promo.

Alaginger

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So.....maybe Butch wins the reward and takes Christy with him.......

If Christy were to win the reward, she would probably take whoever she had been paired up with, and again that could be Butch.....

I agree.....the picture was probably giving too much away, so is probably mis-leading!!! (Dang)a

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Rob wins the RC and gets to take Heidi on a "dream date" that provides much pleasure and happiness. I also think it is Rob who gets a new point of view. He will turn on Deena next episode, and I think this date will be the catalyst. He has said his "dream" final 3 will be Christy, Jenna and himself. I think this is were he makes the decision to take out Deena. jmo

That IS a beautiful pic of Christy! I have liked her from the beginning. Got to give her kudos for even attempting this, and she has hung in there, good for her.

I also am not seeing the Matt/Rob situation like others. Rob has never been mean to Matt's face, but has spent time with him when others wouldn't, even if Rob had alterior motives. He has been encouraging Matt with the vision of F3. Who knows what this encouragment meant to Matt at the time? Maybe it was what he needed to keep his head in the game after his buddys Ryan and Dan were voted off.
Yes, Rob has said otherwise to the camera, but not to Matt's face. Also, I am positive the F2 spoiler is true, Matt makes it there. So, all of Rob's scheming does not pay off, who gets the last laugh? Matt has a 50/50 chance of winning a million and being the sole Survivor.

Fruitbat

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Rob does hold the vision of he and the babes walking to the finnish together, absolutely. It is time to engineer this with Dave out of the way.

Squaredsc

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't like people who are nice to you in your face then talk about you like a dog behind your back and thats what i see rob doing to matt.

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like people who do that in real life either, Square. But, if I was picked to be a contestant on that show, I would expect things like this to go on.
Its a game, saying one thing to someone's face and saying something different to the cameras has gone on since S1, and BB1. Its part of the game.
Like I said, Matt is the one who is having the last laugh now. He is sitting at home knowing it will be just a few weeks until he either receives a million dollars or one hundred thousand dollars. Rob isn't going to come close to that. Rob also won't get the glory for making F2.
Rob has been nothing but encouraging to Matt (up until this point) what is there to feel sorry for him about? I am not understanding this.
There is a spoiler out there that says Matt and Rob get into it, and I bet its this next episode. That tells me that Matt is not the clueless victim that people seem to think he is. He will see what he needs to and correct it. He makes F2. Still not getting the "poor Matt" stuff.
Its not that I don't "like" Matt, and "like" Rob, I'm just trying to filter out the emotions to get to the point everyone is trying to make.

Wilsonatmd

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think something big is going to happen next week....A lot of the sources right now suspect, because of a JP interview, there's going to be a tie vote somewhere. Also, the recap ep is the week after, a week later than usual (it's usually been right after the first jury boot). Perhaps what happens is Butch wins immunity (otherwise he could be the obvious boot) and thus the remaining players decide that now is the time to take control of the game. (an alliance of four has been shown to be the best; more than that is too unwieldy and has more of a chance of breaking up, less than that isn't enough for effective control) They decide Deena and Rob are the two big threats, but somehow it ends up tied. We don't know how theyre gonna break ties; wheter it's at random or a quick challenge or something....When we watch next week, keep an eye on the clock....if TC seems to start earlier than normal, we have a tie.

Squaredsc

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
thats true ms. kitty, they are there to play the game not to make friends. it just rubbed me the wrong way how rob was stroking matt at tc and then talks mean about him. but they did that in bb also like you said. of course i just don't like rob so just about anything he does will rub me the wrong way, lol.

Grooch

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<i don't like people who are nice to you in your face then talk about you like a dog behind your back and that's what i see rob doing to matt.>>

All the contestants were pretty much doing that last night. Not just Rob.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, although he's done it since the first day and not stopped for a second.

He also whines and moans about anyone playing the game too. Kind of like Lex did. Only Lex didn't do it till someone voted for him--Rob has done it the entire time as well.

Grooch

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lance, to be honest, I'm not crazy about any of these new survivors. I miss the days of Survivor 1 and 2.

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was trying to eliminate who might win the IC challenge next.

Butch - gets bitten by a Pirahna on the hand, I would eliminate him.

Heidi - has a swollen knee, and has to be taken care of, I would eliminate her.

Matt - CBS clue says he toys with the idea of throwing a challenge. This could be the RC, and a red herring, but I'll rule him out for just now.
I think either Matt or Alex are the ones offered up at TC, so one of them must not win.

Deena - Spoilers say she gets a spider bite that is painful right before she goes. No hint of this so far, this is bothering me, but I'll rule her out for now, because I think she goes ep9, she must not win immunity.

Jenna - She was shown telling Deena in ep7 she didn't think she could ever win and IC. This had to be forshawdoing, she won in ep8. She might win again.

Rob - has been trying not to win the IC on purpose to stay under the radar, but if he is the one who gets a new viewpoint, maybe he does next time.

Christy - why not? She could win.

Alex - is being shown in danger of going, he is going to go for the gold, maybe he wins, or maybe he gets saved by the purple rock.