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Archive through February 21, 2003
Webkitty | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 06:59 pm     CAr, I have a feeling Joanna will not work it out soon. There are no spoilers that put her anywhere near the final 4, or the merge for that matter. No weight loss spoilers, nothing. That whole scene went down because Christy told Jeanne that she couldn't hear what was being said at night. Jeanne told her about Joanna and the idol, Christy said that was stupid. Maybe Jeanne saw Joanna within ear distance, maybe not, but obviously Christy didn't, I don't think she said the comment to stir up trouble with Joanna. Instead of letting it go, Joanna got up in her face and really let her have it. Not a good move. Middle of the road is where you want to be on Survivor, at least by this point in the game. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:06 pm     I didn't even think about this until Car's post "I don't think Christy may realize that the way she said things was interpreted as blunt and critical." Car is totally right on this one. Maybe I can shed some light. Remember, even though I am deaf, I grew up in the hearing world. I can't wait to hear Lanzee's take on this. But one thing I have learned from my classes and from my own growing roots in the deaf community is that deaf people do not handle others with kid gloves. Truly. They have less stringent boundaries and less, for lack of a better word, tact than most hearing people. This is not rudeness to them; it is totally okay! My ASL instructor last year told us that; she is completely deaf and married to a deaf man. Both very active in the deaf community. A deaf person is more likely to tell you something that a hearing person would never dare mention. For example, if you haven't been seen in a long time and you have put on weight, a hearing person would probably lie through their teeth and do the obligatory, "Oh you look great!" thing, while a deaf person would comment on your weight gain! My ASL teacher told my class that you have to have thick skin in the deaf community. This has been an adjustment for me. (Lanzee, I am explaining this okay??) In other words, Christy's comments which were probably perceived as terribly rude by the others, would have been perfectly acceptable in the deaf community. Webkitty, you were right about Rob. I just rewatched that part. I thought he instigated the gay conversation, but he didn't. He DID decide to capitalize on it, though!! He is very entertaining. By the way. kudos on figuring out the picture! Did you notice I mentioned it in my post when I was spoiling that part??? |
Alaginger | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:11 pm     Interesting how Jeanne is the one who said she saw the granola bar in Janet's backpack, and now Janet is gone. And then Jeanne is the one who gets Christy talking negatively about Joanna within hearing range of Joanna. Me thinks that maybe Jeanne is possibly using a technique to eliminate players one by one. If so, it's not a bad ploy!!! Maybe this is the player that they were talking about in the interviews where they said somebody in this female group was worse than Jerri every thought about being in the Outback Australian version of Survivor.....Hmmmmm??? |
Twiggyish | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:12 pm     Thank you all for posting! I missed the show tonight (had a class) My thoughts.. They're all b#tchy because they haven't eaten. They're looking to blame someone for their troubles. They need to sit and rationally talk it out. Joanna is causing a lot of trouble right now. (Idol) She isn't making anything easier. (Even with the discomforts) I see her as being a target. She's adding a new problem on top of the existing old ones. Christy is making good points. They aren't listening of course. |
Whoami | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:14 pm     I'm not hearing impaired either, but I really like Christy. But, right or not, she needs to tone down the "calling people out" thing over the work issue. How can anyone not know that that will tick some people off? Don't give them ammo girl! Someone posted above that Roger and Joanna better stay off the internet tomorrow, cause the boards will not be kind to them. The trouble is though, that people who practice fanaticism to that degree will not only never "get it." They think that they are so right, so enlightened, that the rest of the pathetic world will never "get it." Neither one of them are going to care diddly what is said on the Net about them. They will look down on each commenter from that "higher plane" they put themselves on, and maybe even feel pity for the rest of us (can you tell I know some people like that?). For a "vessel of Christ" (as Christy described Joanna), Joanna has some pretty evil glares. Still don't like Jenna. She seems to just take an instant dislike to Christy based soley on her being "different." Almost like Christy chose to have the communication gap between them. Jenna should remember that Christy actually chose to learn how to communicate in the hearing world. Could/would Jenna work that hard to learn how to communicate in the deaf world? Something tells me no. |
Sabbatia | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:22 pm     Hermoine, I also think it has to do with the fact that Christy can't hear the way things come out. We use our tone of voice and diction to say things that we don't say with words. She can't do that. So, when she says something, it may come out more harsh, or louder or just different from the way a hearing person would say it. She speaks so well, it's easy to forget that she can't hear herself speak. I've always said you can get away with saying anything, depending on how you say it. |
Webkitty | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:33 pm     Herm, I agree with everything you said about Christy. (I also saw your props, thanks) I'm glad you taped tonight! I was afraid we were going to disagree about the Rob/Alex/Roger tiff, lol! Rob is kind of a weasle, but I like him so far. I was just over a SS and they are ripping Joanna a new one! They are thinking she could be the "Jerri" woman, but I think Alaginger brought up a good point about Jeanne. She did seem to be in the center of all the contraversy tonight. (in a quite way) Ummmm, is right. |
Squaredsc | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:43 pm     i had a truly eloquent post about christy but the da*n computer cut off on me. oh well, i guess it wasn't meant to be. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:44 pm     LOL, Webkitty, heaven forbid we should disagree, right! Actually, when I spoil, it is really easy for me to miss things because I am not a keyboardist so when I am looking at the keyboard to type, I miss the closed caption. I'm afraid to go to Sux right now. They scare me sometimes! I'm gonna comment on Joanna in the spoiler thread. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:45 pm     Awww, Square! I'm sorry!! |
Muse | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:10 pm     Okay, I've decided I'm not a Joanna fan. While I think Christy should have been more tactful, Joanna's reaction was uncalled for. I'm sure her lack of self-control will hurt her down the line, though. I'm not liking a whole lot of the women, actually. I don't like how Jenna, Shawna, and Heidi all seem to have bonded (Mallrats part two?). None of them seem to be giving Christy a chance. And while I still like Christy, I was disappointed to see her just seem to give up and start saying whatever she wanted. I don't blame her for being frustrated and angry, but she was pushing things too far and blowing whatever chance she might have had. *sigh* I'm still undecided on Jeanne and Deena. Deena reminds me a little of Kathy from S4...she's abrasive and a little bossy, but she puts a lot of effort into everything and seems like a good person. But I haven't seen a whole lot of her yet, so that's just an initial impression. I could be totally off. And as for Jeanne - I didn't like how she suggested that Janet brought the granola bar (was there ANY evidence that suggested it was Janet? I don't *think* so), but otherwise she hasn't done a whole lot to like or dislike her. I really like Dave and Alex. Dave seems like an intelligent, honest guy (a little too much on the serious side, but that's not a major flaw, IMO), and Alex won big points with me by standing up to Roger. It probably would have been smarter for Alex to keep his mouth shut when Roger began spouting his homophobic views, but I have to give him credit for having the guts to stand up to him. Editing to add that if the women actually begin shaping up and trying to get along better next week, then I might change my opinion of them. But that's a big "if", because as we all know...people on Survivor who start having personality conflicts rarely succeed in putting it behind them. |
Emt911 | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:56 pm     My husband just said, "And Joanna is a guidance counselor?!!" when she went ballistic. I agree Christy needs to tone it down some, but she was right about the others lying around and it seemed as if most of them 'turned' on her and made out as if they had all been slaving away. I did not like Jean (Jeanne?) whatever her name is, basically telling Christy to go fish. It was rude and no one should be sent out to fish alone, hearing or non-hearing alike. Shawna seems to be what we have always called FUTR, but will flying under the radar make her a winner? |
Catfat | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 10:17 pm     Did everyone see that glitter of hatred in Joanna's eyes at tribal council? Man, that scared me. She barely took her eyes off Christy all night long, glaring at her with undisguised anger. And that finger-waving, palm-in-the-face trip was not what a civilized woman does to a deaf person, much less if you call yourself a christian. I wouldn't be surprized to see Joanna causing Christy an injury or at the very least deep humiliation. |
Moondance | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 10:36 pm     Whoooo did someone mention Hunter! Joanna ... scary. I am not getting why the hatred toward Christy. Hmmmmmm Maybe a nice trip to Sunday School will help that attitude! I don't have much patience with religion, fanatic and hypocrite all rolled up in one dose. I hope she redeems herself. I liked her at first. Bye Bye Roger ... bad attitude ... bad choice! |
Mygetaway | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 10:49 pm     I'm really diappointed in these women. Where's Gina and Gretchen dang it! I really had hoped the women would be more together. I wonder if these women were picked because the screeners thought there would be chaos? I don't know.. |
Ericka1012 | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 10:56 pm     The one thing I noticed that no one has commented on is...at TC when JP was reading the votes did anyone else catch the look Joanna gave when she realized there was only one vote for Christy??? It was like she was in shock that she was out of the voting loop. I thought I would like Joanna but she is a wack case...the idol thing, and her OVER reaction to Christy. Christy, does really need to tone it down about work...even though I agree they need to get the shelter built or they are going to be wet rats for a long time. AND Jena what can I say that won't be edited she is the girl who in the girl bathroom in high school who would stand in front of the mirror and say "I'm so (ugly, fat or you put you word in)." and wait for someone to say "Oh, Jena your not you SOOO (beautiful, Sexy or whatever)." She make me say "This isn't the girl I want to be friends with." The one female I can't put my finger on is Deena. I thought she would be the one that would put her hand out to be Christy's friend. The guys are the guys...Egos Ramped... I wasn't happy about the Roger/Alex exchange, why would you even get into a conversation like that when your with people you don't know...politics, religion and for sure subjects that people have very strong feelings about (sexuality and abortion), those are never winning subjects. I thought the show was too edited towards the woman this week and they should keep it so we get a peek of both tribes. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 11:18 pm     OK, I watched it when it aired here.. I thought that one reason Christy reacted badly when Jenna? brought the palm fronds was the way Jenna handled it.. she stomped off, got the fronds, hurled them on the ground at Christy's feet and then challenged Christy to start building.. so that's why Christy sounded petty, "I want to fish".. Unfortunately she wanted/needed someone to go fish with her, but to be fair to the others, anyone who went with her would have become a target as well. Only a respected strong tribe member could have defused that and no one fits that bill here. I also thought it was ridiculous when, after shouting and holding her hand in Christy's face, Joanna started ranting to Christy to stay out of Joanna's face! WTF.. obviously it was a boilerplate sort of reaction, but when you hear the words it is just so ironic, since it was Joanna who sprinted some distance to get right up in Christy's face. I know Jeff likes to be the provacateur at tribal council, makes for good tv, but it was unfortunate that he chose Christy because I'm sure she's been SO frustrated, not getting to TALK much and having been attacked as she was, then when Jeff asked about things, it just burst out.. and Herm.. those are excellent points you made; the deaf world really is different. I had a friend who had a deaf boyfriend and there was a real collision, not between them but with his friends who tended to burst in without knocking.. he was used to that, to her it seemed like an intrusion.. and the bluntness.. Marlee Matlin can portray that so well.. I'm not deaf but I also tend to be quite blunt at times in conversation, and that isn't a great idea except with those who know me, and trust me. And we really don't know what made Joanna start being bugged by the Idol, but it sounded like she wanted someone else to move it, she wasn't willing to just get out of bed and move it, or turn it around. And I also noticed that when they won the reward challenge it was JOANNA who took the container of bait and held it up like a trophy.. funny.. yes I know she was thanking her creator (I missed the terms she used) but it sure looked a bit like an idol to me And the Roger convo sure sounded like he brought being gay into the conversation. Good for Alex for pointing out that procreation argument. Because it doesn't cut it for anyone using contraception, or doing anything that isn't going to make a baby.. Now when that whole pack of guys was in the boat I thought they were actually pretty smart to be practicing their rowing because it is quite likely that there will be a time when rowing is part of a competition. I thought it was definitely an interesting episode. |
Lanzee | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 11:30 pm     Hi, Hermione! I came home from a Survivor viewing party. I will post my thoughts trw night!! U rock! Lanzee \lm/ |
Monkeyboy | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 11:43 pm     <AND Jena what can I say that won't be edited she is the girl who in the girl bathroom in high school who would stand in front of the mirror and say "I'm so (ugly, fat or you put you word in)." and wait for someone to say "Oh, Jena your not you SOOO (beautiful, Sexy or whatever)." She make me say "This isn't the girl I want to be friends with."> LOL exactly the same way i feel Ericka! Like the popular girl when she walks down the hall, everyone gets out of her way! I wish there was someone like me when i was in HS on this show, who would tell her that I think she is a snobby b!tch Well only time will tell |
Bookworm | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 12:07 am     Let me premise this with the fact that I have not read all of the archives of this thread, so someone may have already said this. About Christy: I feel that Sab's point above (about vocal tone) is how the "That's stupid." remark came out. If you can't, or aren't used to, listening to vocal tone to determine what is being said, you don't pay attention to how your tone is being taken. Then when Joanna confronted her, I think the bluntness that Herm mentioned came out. I thought the hand in the face from Joanna was even ruder to Christy than it would have been to any of the other tribemates, because it limits Christy's ability to communicate when she can't read Joanna's lips due to the hand blocking her view. About the granola bar: I hadn't thought about this until I was reading some of the comments above. But Jeanne was the one pointing fingers at Janet. So, what if Jeanne was the one that smuggled the granola bar in solely to use it in this way. What if she arranged for it to be discovered as it was just so she could blame it on another person and pick that person off. This is essentially what Jerri did with the beef jerky incident. Jerri just made up the actually jerky, Jeanne may have taken it a step further and brought the evidence to plant. I do like the changes made to the challenges. They seem to be more mental challenging this year than in past years. Puts those who are not in as good of physical shape on more even ground with those who are. Women are catty in general. These women are pathetic in the way that they are still working and viewing themselves as individuals and not as a team. It is time to pull it together. They are their own worst enemies right now. I just can't believe the lack of teamwork. All they would have to do is put a couple people in charge of fishing, a couple at the fire/water, and the rest work on that dang shelter. But since no one wants to step out as a leader and organize the tribe, I don't see this happening anytime soon. Sad, I want the women to kick butt. |
Ginger | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:13 am     Roger's homophobia was pathetic and offensive to listen to, but I was practically jumping out of my seat to hear Alex take him on so brilliantly. Yay Alex! And boo to the men who sat nearby and remained silent. I think that many viewers agree with Roger's take on sexuality, so I liked that we got to hear Alex making such a great argument to millions of Survivor viewers. I think Joanne's behavior was awful and horribly un-Christian. The idol thing was bad enough, but to treat Christy so utterly disrespectfully was beyond belief. Remember folks, this woman is a guidance counselor! She cultivates an image of herself as spiritual and upright. Ha! I hope she was ashamed as she watched herself on TV last night. As for Christy, I was going to come on here and explain the difference between communication in the deaf versus hearing worlds, but I see others have mentioned it already--or at least one of the differences--and that is deaf people tend to be very blunt, uncomfortably so for hearing people. I do think Christy is wonderful and my heart hurt for her when she cried and said she feels excluded and she believes she's being excluded because she's deaf. She's right! And I really hope that at least one of those women is big enough to stop and think for a minute about whether Christy has a point. Oh I hope, I hope! As far as the voting goes, I don't think that Joanne is out of the loop--in fact I think she's in the loop, but decided to go her own way. When she held up her vote for Christy she said something to the effect that she was aware of needing to hold on to the strong people, but she was voting for Christy anyway. That told me that she and her tribemates had discussed getting rid of Janet, but that Joanne, knowing Janet had enough votes, wanted to register her dislike of Christy. And Janet and Christy, being utterly out of the loop went with their votes based on whom they liked the least. That's how I think it came down. I am disappointed in the "hot chick clique." They seem so uncool to me at the moment, so self-absorbed and small spirited, but maybe that will change over time. Those are my thoughts. Go Alex and Christy! |
Jo_5329 | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:31 am     Joanna has to go .. period .. end of discussion. When the guys won the idol last night, hubby and I both looked at each other and said "the rain is going to get the guys now" .. my husband has spent time in the amazon .. the rain comes because it's the amazon .. not because of some stupid idol. I was glad to see that christy didn't get voted out though, even though some folks didn't like the fact that she called them on not helping her and then getting ticked when she didn't help them. As for Joanna, let me tell you something, I'm not christian, but she has about the most evil spirit inside her than I've ever seen! Jo |
Texannie | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:15 am     Great thoughts everyone!!! Herm, really interesting reading your take on things. Thanks for sharing them. Your description could work for southerners and yankees too!
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Mckryan | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 07:42 am     Sea - I think it was Deena that got the palm fronds and tossed them on the ground. She was the one griping earlier when Christy wanted to build the shelter because all she wanted to do was take a nap at that moment. |
Webkitty | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:01 am     That's because Joanna kept Deena up all night going on and on about the immunity idol. |
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