**Non-Spoiler Discussion--No Spoiling Please***
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Squaredsc | Friday, April 11, 2003 - 09:45 am     last nites show. matt was excellent at the blow gun and bow and arrows and spear. but he threw it when he went up against alex. alex won rc, went to a coffee cafe with jenna. they drank lots of coffee and ate donuts. brought back some cookies for others but left matt and butch crumbs. rob talked smack bout matt as well as the others. deena plotted to get alex out. it backfired on her as heidi leaked info to jenna and jenna to alex. matt won ic by eating nasty icky bugs, he beat out deena in the end. deena didn't try to eat the live icky bug. deena was voted out. everyone voted for deena except deena and christy who voted for alex. |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 04:44 pm     hmm, headed back to the bottom again. |
Auntiemike | Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 05:06 pm     I'm enjoying this year's Survivor and gladly anticipate each week. (I'm a sucker for this stuff, I guess). Would be interesting to see Survivor with different types of teams. They tried that this time by separating men from women. How about more distinct ages; backgrounds; abilities/disabilities; families, etc.? There could many twists and turns to this concept of surviving. |
Realfan | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:29 pm     Is this where we discuss the latest episode? I'm confused that there's no thread just to discuss the latest episode following the play-by-play (which I don't consider spoiling; just play-by-play descriptions, which us Westcoasters know better than to read beforehand if we want to be surprised.) Anyway, I am SO disgusted with Heidi and Jenna, especially Jenna Me Me Me after last night. What a little creep. I hope she's history. Her arroganc astounds me. SO glad Alex got the boot--his arrogance directly cost him, too. What a dolt. Was that the stupidest thing any player has ever done in the game, or what, telling Rob he'll have to go out fourth? All three of them act like high schoolers, and Alex is WAY too old to be behaving like that. I clapped last night when Alex departed, and I'm back on the Rob train. I liked him, then not so much after he betrayed Deena, but he's a wiley one. Poor Christy. No one shared their food with her! And she should have been given some for being strong-armed into letting Jenna get a letter. That STANK. Is Jeff just immune to pretty girls' tears, or what? I hated that part. How unfair was that? |
Maris | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 12:32 pm     I agree Real. I was thinking as I was watching it, if my mother had a brain tumor or cancer, I wouldnt be gallivanting off to the Amazon for a game and then bemoaning the fact that I am worried about her. Who put a gun to her head and told her to go. This sense of entitlement that Jenna and Heidi have is just amazing. |
Karuuna | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 01:11 pm     I have to agree with Rob's comments that Christy was ostracized growing up by the popular chicks like Heidi and Jenna. They do have an awful air of superiority about them that is tremendously annoying. And then Jenna acts surprised and confused when she is voted the one most likely to use sex appeal to get what she wants? I think she's more clueless than my new hero crazy Matt.  |
Grooch | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 01:14 pm     I would love to be a fly on Jenna's & Christy's walls when they watch the episodes and see how they acted. |
Kaili | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 01:34 pm     I have a feeling Jenna and Heidi are too self absorbed to realize how awful they come across. I am soooo happy Rob switched! Alex was dumb to tell him he would be 4th place. He announces how the girls will never vote against eachother- in that case wouldn't it have been in his own best interest to want to split them up? He would be in third place between them (most likely). This has been such a fun season to watch! How dare Jenna feel entitled to get the letter?! Who wouldn't have bid on it if they had all of their money left! Duh! I was surprised at that point- when Christy was bidding- if Heidi was such a great friend and so compassionate about Jenna and wanting her to get a letter- I wonder if Jeff would have let her give her the rest of her money? Haven't they (in other seasons) pooled their money and shared what the bidded on? Ahhh...so frustrating. I love this show. |
Zipsdaddy | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 05:20 pm     What surprised me, was even after Jeff allowed a second bid for another letter, even Heidi tried to outbid her friend, Jenna... didn't anyone else catch this?? Also, during the IC, I just didn't get it. If the correct answer was based on the actual tally of the seven people who filled out their forms.... how could so many have answered wrong???? If the majority of answers would have been 4 of them, how could only two get the same question right??? Didn't this confuse anyone else??? Did they change their answers after they filled out their forms or was this whole IC rigged??? |
Karuuna | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 05:50 pm     Heidi stopped tho, even tho she had more money and Jenna was out. I have no idea why Heidi started to bid against her if she just intended to drop out... As for the immunity challenge, my take was that first they did the surveys individually. But at the IC they had to think about what the majority may have answered. So they might/would change their answers at the IC, based on whether they thought their original answer was the same or different from what everyone else would answer. If that makes any sense. So, say Heidi answered that Alex was the sexiest when she did it privately. At IC, she looks around, and says well there's more guys than gals, so it has to be one of the women that got the majority of the answers, so now she answers Jenna. |
Seamonkey | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 08:12 pm     Kar.. in the FIRST bidding for the letter, it was HEIDI who upped the bids to $200, which was more than Jenna had, then Heidi and Christy continued on. So it was actually Heidi's bid that lost Jenna the letter. And then she bid again on the second.. go figure.. |
Grooch | Friday, April 25, 2003 - 08:39 pm     Seeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, Seamonkey! (Kar, I posted to Sea to specifically watch what happened during the bidding, since us east coasters were arguing about it.) Somehow, Christy still gets all the blame. |
Karuuna | Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 06:22 am     Sea, okay. I'll have to watch my tape again. I do think Heidi was bidding, but I just chalked it up to Heidi being kind of clueless and it took her a while to realize what she was doing to her friend Jenna. When she did, she backed down the second time (eventually). |
Maris | Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 01:55 pm     thought you would all enjoy this: 6115,446787~3|78172||0~0~,00.html,EW ''Survivor'' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alex Be Beaten The verdict's in -- this is the best season ever! Rob's double-cross of the fearsome foursome was just the latest in a series of amazing ''Amazon'' developments, says Dalton Ross HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN Alex, like Deena last week, thought he was control. The Tribal Council said he was mistaken Okay, that's it. I'm gonna go out on a limb here. What I'm about to say may be considered sacrilege by some, but I gotta call it the way I see it and here's the way I see it: This is the best season of ''Survivor''… EVER! Yes, better than ''Marquesas.'' Yes, better than ''The Australian Outback.'' And yes, even better than the original. True, that first installment had the unmatchable quality of freshness where terms like alliance were new and exciting, but no edition has had the twists and turns of ''The Amazon.'' We've now seen the top two favorites (Deena and Alex) voted out in consecutive weeks. For that to happen so late in the game is shocking. For a member of the guaranteed final four to switch sides at the last minute and join three hopeless souls just waiting to be voted off like Rob did, and thereby create a new fearsome foursome provided another unforeseen twist and turn that makes this show so addictive. Now on one level, Rob's defection may not have been a strategic slam dunk considering all the future jury members he just pissed off, but really, what else was he supposed to do after Alex basically told him he'd never get past fourth place. (Why Alex told him this is still beyond me. Dude, SHUT UP!! If you just kept your yap closed you'd still be around staring at Heidi's breasts, but instead you now have to party with Dave and Deena in the jury. Wow, there's a bunch sure to get along.) Once again, it's time to bow down at the altar of Mark Burnett as he edited this show together brilliantly -- starting by demonstrating how tight and in control Jenna, Heidi, Alex, and Rob were and then showing how one simple, innocent conversation sent the whole thing crumbling. Everything was working this week. Even that silly immunity trivia game was a hoot. First you had Rob actually voting for himself as most honest, and then Probst started baiting Jenna about her using sex as a weapon. (By the way, was it just me, or did Jenna look really bummed out when she wasn't voted as the woman they'd all most like to see naked in a magazine?) Then to top things of, Matthew, or Matt, or Matteo, or whatever the hell his name is guessed himself as the person most people had a crush on. Whoa, maybe he really is a lunatic. And the best part of all of this? By Alex playing himself like a sucker, now Christy (''The People's Choice'') is back in the game! The only downside of this episode? Well, I have a ''Survivor'' odds package I need to turn in for the magazine tomorrow in which I predict the winner. Let's just say that it needs a little revising… okay, make that a complete 100 percent rewrite. Oh, but man was it worth it. Once again, best ''Survivor'' EVER! |
Karuuna | Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:00 pm     Here's what I'm confused about. If Rob switched alliances to avoid being in fourth place, why did he join an alliance where he's still likely to be in fourth place? Does he really think the other three (Butch, Matt, Christy) won't band together and vote him out fourth as well? |
Micknrc | Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:23 pm     Because Alex told Rob the girls would never vote for each other. Therefore what he was trying to say to Rob was, "at F4 If I vote for you/you vote for me, I understand, whatever." What Rob heard: "you're out at F4." Now with a fluid F4, (Rob's new group) it all depends on who wins IC (as it did in the first scenario, but survivors have a notoriously hard time remembering little details thru the hunger). BUT, (in Rob's view, in the CBM group) at least there are no two joined at the hip (ala <>) or Pappy and Ne-who-wants-a-mint-aleh... Better overall chance to make it past F4. |
Karuuna | Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 05:36 pm     Thanks, Mick, for that view. I guess that's why I was confused, when it gets down to the final four, it does all depend on immunity (I thought). And I think if he did get to four with Matt, Butch, Christy, the first time he doesn't get immunity, those three will vote him off, just knowing his history of not being able to be trusted! |
Djgirl5235 | Monday, April 28, 2003 - 09:32 am     Also, Rob is thinking that he's the perfect choice to be taken to the final 2 as he has completely lost the game, and would basically guarantee the other person in the final 2 the million - that's why he switched... |
Realfan | Monday, April 28, 2003 - 02:30 pm     I'm wondering about Rob's motivation in switching alliances. . . I wonder if it's deeper than just changing because of what Alex said. Rob said earlier he knows that the Jenna/Heidi types wouldn't look at him twice in the real world. I think he knows deep down that they don't really consider him "one of them." He knows he's a nerd or outsider, more in the Christi camp (he was perceptive in seeing that the Awful Two were the type to be mean to Christi as kids). Maybe he realized that one of the "cool" (blech!) three would win if he didn't show them he had the power to prevent it, thus earning a victory for all nerd-kind in the process! Revenge of the nerds, indeed . . . |
Csnog | Monday, April 28, 2003 - 04:12 pm     I have to think that the person that Jeff said "had it all wrapped up and then just one conversation and it was like they drove their car off the road at 60 mph" was ALEX. When you stop and think about it Deanna was going to be voted out no matter what. If Alex had not told Rob that he was going 4th or even 3rd Alex would have won the money. The 4 of them would pick off B/C/M then Alex and Rob could have eliminated either H/J. Alex was strong enough to outlast everyone other than Matt (who would have gone the moment he lost a IC) thus Alex could have taken out Rob and taken one of the girls (H/J) with him. No one likes the girls and they (the jury) all think they were lazy. Alex would have won but he just opened his mouth at the wrong time. |
Ladytex | Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:29 am     Unbelievable! They had the perfect opportunity last night to break up that J/H alliance and didn't take it. If those two <LC> end up in the final two, it's those guys own fault. I hope Butch is watching his back, cuz both Matt and Rob stabbed him in it. |
Chai | Friday, May 02, 2003 - 01:52 pm     Re. last night's show: AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!
Christy deserved to win! GGGRRRRR!!!! I can't stand Rob, Jenna or Heidi! I guess, now I'll root for creepy Matt to win. Sigh. I'm so PO'd that Christy got voted off! Ugh!!! It was so eye opening to see how she was treated by girls like Heidi and Jenna, who excluded her from everything. As for Backstabber Rob...I'm so angry I can't even find the words! Christy really perservered, stayed low under the radar, and she worked so hard! If the survivors were voted off according to merit, she would have won! |
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