Archive through April 03, 2003
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Archive through April 03, 2003
Grannyg | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 01:53 pm     Wasn't it last TC that the guys thought they were voting out Christy (heaven forbid) and yet SOME of the guys voted out Roger. We know Butch and Dave stuck to the plan but that leaves Alex, Matthew and Rob. So I think that Butch and Dave still hang together because they are trying to figure out who booted Roger. That is assuming that ALL the guys knew who each was voting for. So Butch and Dave know that one or all of the guys lied about the vote. That's why I think that it's Alex or Matt that goes this time and since Matt is supposedly in the F2 that makes Alex the likely one. I also think that because of the preview with Jenna (or was it Heidi) that was sleeping with Dave decide they want him to stay around for a little bit longer and decide to change the voting out order to Alex then Dave then Matt. Does any of this make sense?????? The guys have got to discuss who voted differently and I think that's when things get changed. Still don't have a clue as to who gets the boot!!!!!!???????? |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 05:03 am     Next week. It is obvious that Deena is being edited for the fall but we have a week equaling 6 more days out there and nothing remains in place for long at this stage of the game. I have some lingering doubts on this. She has a major weight loss spoiler and another that has her on the outs with Rob. If all goes as it is layed out now, she has time to gain weight and no reason to hate Rob if she loses in a tie. Rob could change his vote in TC and switch to Deena, I suppose, but the weight loss is still there and she wouldn't necessarily know who changed their vote and would that be reason to "hate" him? She understands this is a game. Also this would not serve Rob. He would be the first to go with the men and Christy anyway for not having been in the plan originally. We have yet to see what happenes this week and what the promos will show after the show tonight. A lot can happen. Rob is cocky and self assured. We could see him in Diary talks boasting of his plan to remain with the babes and then drive his car off the cliff because he could just not be cool. This is driven by both wishful thinking and logic. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 06:49 am     ............hmmmmmmmmm but that does not support the rumor about Deena "hating" Rob either. There would be no reason in this senario either. Maybe they both stay and Heidi goes and the one who drives their car over the cliff happens later. Having said all of this, I doubt that rumor is accurate. Deena does not seem to be the type of person to carry a grudge. She has a full life with her husband and children, why take the time to hate some young kid. hmmmmm a million bucks lost, I suppose. Well I will just sit here and continue to talk to myself. Really, that is fine, I don't mind........just go about your business and work if you insist. |
Essence | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 06:59 am     FWIW, as of right now, TDT is going with a Deena boot. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:08 am     Interesting. I just think if she left now, she would put weight back on before returning home. Everyone says, "but maybe they keep dieting" but that rarely happens. These people have been starving for weeks. They are not only ready to eat, but feel they deserve to, as indeed they do. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:11 am     Well that would mean that Christy Matt AND Alex would have to jump ship to make a 5 four split. (I don't see Rob leaving the ladies) My logic won't go there. I love all of this! |
Micknrc | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:12 am     I'm here Ms. Bat... TDT now says they're leaning towards Deena, but nwithout sounding like they have a lot of conviction. Maybe one way Deena could end up 'hating' Rob is if he ditches the NuJaburu alliance and goes back to the boys to oust her. But why would he do that I can't help asking myself? The really pathetic part is that I'm sitting here with a pad on my lap upon which I've been sketching out quasi-flow charts of relationship/motive possibilities between and for each of the remaining nine. In trying to figure out ways that someone other than Dave or Alex goes... Christy and Butch have some kind of connection (but did it survive his sheep-like voting choice last week? Is Christy that big a person?) Dave and Heidi had the little tete a tete two weeks ago and now we're shown them getting cozy (if it's not a typical EPMB red herring). Alex I could easily see going back over to the guys, especially now that Roger's not part of the bargain. Matt is just Matt and if we listen to the promo's one would assume he's the next one to go based on 'creeping' everyone out. MAYBE: Dave and Butch get the H and C and A-- Alex then goes to Rob and lets him know the jig's already up for NuJaburu and there are already five votes against Deena. Rob decides it's better to go with that new flow than to stand out, so that's why Deena hates him? Flowcharts aside, this is still a very confusing week. A 7 person alliance is inherently unstable and could go about a hundred different ways, but I'm beginning to think that it is possible that they start to cannibalize within before getting rid of Dave and esp. Butch. OTOH, Dave still seems the obvious 'strong immunity threat' boot. Add in the lack of weight loss spoiler. ROFLMAO at myself. Is there any contingency I haven't covered? And I'm still not sure how I feel! (unlike last week--more self kicking ensues.....) |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:32 am     ROLF! I am here doing the same thing my thoughts are identical to yours! 7 against 2 is not the best but eliminating one more IC threat must loom large with the women and Rob. I could see Alex and Matt moving over but that is a 5/4. I suppose we could see a gender split again. hmmmmm. Hard to imagine Rob would leave the babes though. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:36 am     "7 person alliance is inherently unstable and could go about a hundred different ways" That is what makes this so fun! I just think it will be Dave.... and then the instability of that alliance starts to show as people on the bottom end of it start to realize where they stand. |
Kaili | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:48 am     Maybe Deena will overhear Rob plotting with someone else. He seems like he would make multiple alliances in order to save his own butt, and they did show him last week walking off with Christy (during the part when the rest of the men were building shelter). So, since Christy isn't in Deena's inner circle, maybe Rob is making double deals. He sees or finds out that Deena is at risk from the Butch/Dave/whoever else group and decides that for his own safety he needs to make a deal with them as well. This puts him in the situation that Heidi was in where it could go either way (Deena or Dave) assuming there are enough people willing to vote against Deena (like if Matt/Christy/or someone switched). So imagine Deena (or one of the other girls) hears his plotting and Deena finds out. She would be mad about him not being loyal. Then he may talk her up, saying he was just trying to get information. But she has such an attitude about it, or at the TC she says something to make him mad, and he votes her off. Or, I can see a situation taht may really get to her! Maybe Rob wins an immunity and gives it to the person she wants to vote off. The group had already decided to vote this person off and him giving away immunity at TC doesn't allow discussion in the group and their vote splits between two people (this may happen since Christy is out of the loop). So Deena is mad and votes for Rob, Jenna and Heidi vote together for whoever was planned as second choice had "whoever" not been given Rob's immunity, Christy is out of the loop so she just votes with a guess, and this leaves the other side maybe with a majority to get rid of Deena. Don't know how that would work but it would totally stir things up, potentially screw up Deena's game plan, and I can see her hating him for that. Especially if he had said he was going to keep it.' I don't know if any of that is possible, I haven't been reading the spoilers you all put up too closely this week...and I haven't had my coffee yet so I might not be thinking straight! No flowcharts for me |
Webkitty | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:00 am     LOL Mick and Bat, I am doing the same thing with the pad of paper and the scenarios! Bat, I don't see Rob as self-assured and cocky at all, quite the opposite. And, I DO see Deena as the type to carry a grudge. She is going to be given some bad editing tonight, I really think so. When I play back the commercial, she looks really scary when she's saying this is MY game. She looks like she caught some jungle fever from Matt. She goes tonight or next week, for sure. And, TDT has Deena going tonight? That is what I said at the beginning of the week, and I got poo-pooed, humpf! LOL. j/k. Ummmm, maybe that's why I couldn't get anything to match up all week. Maybe Deena needs to be out of the equasion to make the 5-3 to 4-4 work. I'm going off to check around the spoiler boards one last time, catch up with you all later. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:17 am     It is my mind trying to save Deena that is doing this to me Webkitty. Ignore. If Deena goes this week and is furious at Rob then we have that reason and the car that driving off the road all rolled into one. I am not sure how it illustrates that Deena drives her car off the road if she loses in a tie but it could be about her actions to make Rob defect. Maybe Rob over hears her giving the boot order to Jenna lisiting Rob as first to go after they have wiped out the others. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:19 am     Hard to put Christy at F4 and Jenna at F2 if Deena goes tonight. I am going to have to sit with that one. |
Jeep | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:23 am     You guys crack me up! Pads of paper and scenarios! You should see my computer at work! It's black and I have all these bright yellow sticky notes all over it with Survivor thoughts. I see the expected final four. A list of the original survivors with names marked out as they are booted. Another one references the 5-3 to 4-4 votes and many many more. If coworkers don't read them, it make me look like I'm really working hard! This week is tough. I was going back and forth between Dave and Alex and now TDT throws in Deena. I also keep thinking about how much air time Rob got last week. It was all him and Deena. They have to be going down soon. Right now I'm thinking like Hermione and expect it to be Dave. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:27 am     all this 'drives their car off the road' analogy... okay, who hails from beantown?! they'll be the one to go! bostonians never could drive.... lol |
Lizadee | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:40 am     Just out of the blue ! Does anyone know where the Granola bar came from Or does any one think it was planted ? And do we ever find out the truth Just like the beef jerky do we know whos jerky it was ? I don't recall finding out |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:13 am     Lizadee, I dont think we will ever know. For the sake of arguement Dave goes this week (could be Alex but the results are the same). Deena, Jenna, Heidi, and Matt stay together. The others form a new alliance. Tie vote. Deena goes in the tie and is furious with Rob for not staying with her. 3/4 split now. Another reorganizing happens......who knows what at this point. I have pages on this. I am taking a break. It can go so many ways it is nuts, even with the end result of Matt and Jenna F2 to limit things. |
Squaredsc | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:30 am     i agree with everything ms. says.  |
Hermione69 | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:38 am     Oh no, are you stalking again? |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:38 am     ............runs screaming............... |
Micknrc | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:40 am     <<I just think it will be Dave.... and then the instability of that alliance starts to show as people on the bottom end of it start to realize where they stand. >> LOL Hermi-- you responding to my flow charting has crystallised something for me.... Dave (or matt or alex) is all set to go tonight but THEN-- log/face smashing revealing the 'chain' of bootees-- leading to Christy/Heidi (who were not NuJaburu, remember, but sucked back in through a) universal distaste for Roger and b) joining back up with the wimmen-folk) realizing they are near the bottom of NuJaburu list of finalists, going back to their respective male buddies Butch and Dave. Later Christy somehow engineers Heidi's F6/May 1 boot (as per milkshaky)-- leading to the animosity Heidi supposedly has for Christy. Now whether this scenario saves Dave (they would need one more defection)or leads to a Deena boot tonight (rather than beginning to play out more next week) I haven't a clue! |
Webkitty | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:40 am     I've got it! It all makes sense now Deena WILL go tonight! There were reports that the crew came back from this season happy, saying it was "golden". We are going to see 3 big dramatic boots in a row. Last week, we got Roger. He was SO cocksure of his position, but we got to see all the scheming that went on behind his back to get him booted. This week, the same thing will happen for Deena. I think the *words* that Roger had for Rob and Alex at the last TC will have an impact. I can see Rob and Alex going to Dave and Butch and tell them that the ONLY reason they voted out Roger was because he was such a pain, but they are still loyal to the men. There is a spoiler that says Matt and Dave become close, so when Matt is informed of the plan, he must be willing to go along with it. (checking off spoilers as they fit it with this scenario) Jenna or Heidi will win immunity, thus Deena's comments in the commercial that this is HER game, Its going down for her just like last week did when Roger jumped off the pole soon. Dave probably gets taken out first during the IC, probably as a decoy to the real target, Deena. Rob knows Survivor. He will not make the same mistake as John Carroll did. Deena's comments last week regarding never underestimate the power of women will come back to bite her. The men will vote her out, and Rob will betray her. She hates Rob, fulfilling that spoiler. (also the spoiler that she *justs* makes the jury) Then, next week, its 5-3. The guys, (5 of them) and the girls (3 of them) (another spoiler checked off the list) Matt and Rob get into a tiff (another spoiler checked) and Matt defects over to the girls, causing a 4-4 tie. The guys vote to boot Matt, and the girls vote to boot Rob. Rob gets the purple rock, fulfilling another spoiler that he goes just after the mid-point of the game. He is the one who had the cake walk to the end, but drove his car off the road by *saying something* or *doing something* that got another player ticked off, (Matt) because he couldn't change who he was. All he had to do was not put his foot in his mouth but he can't help it. (please feel free to pick holes) |
Squaredsc | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:45 am     hermi, not stalking, just feeling a lil perkier so im messing with ms. bat, lol. |
Micknrc | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:50 am     Wow. Webkitty. I'm in awe. (mick doing the 'we're not worthy' motion to her monitor) but-- one little thing... It's hard to know for sure the precise meaning of the "5/3 goes to 4/4 because someone can't help being who they are' (not verbatim) spoiler, but I had been interpreting it to mean that the person who switches over to create the tie is the same person who can't help themselves from being....etc. Not to say your scenario can't also be gotten from that (the person who switches does so due to the person who can't help being.....etc.). Just that I hadn't considered it that way before. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 09:58 am     I think you scared her off, Square!! I didn't know you were not feeling perky. But then, I was pretty wrapped up in my own funk for a whole week. I'm glad you are better! |
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