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Moondance

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Micks new folder - click here:)

Car54

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mick, he was never good enough for you hon.


Ah...and if Matt wins RC and looks "freshly trimmed" he comes closer to the man with the "close haircut" in the CO spoiler...if he gets a haircut...does he have a part?

Alaginger

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 05:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Matt's opening shot, at the beginning of the season. Definite part up over right eye.
matt1

Matt's picture from this coming Episode 9 before the reward challenge. Still trying to have a semblance of a part.
matt2

Matt's picture after the reward challenge.
matt3

Alaginger

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's try that again.....picture after the reward challenge (as best I can get it).
matt3

Webkitty

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 06:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It just looks like he has his hair combed back, Car. It looks "pouffy" on the top. Its still full looking, so maybe he just combed it before the IC. (or maybe he did win the RC and gets to wash it and some gel and a trim)

I have something to run by you guys. As I was watching the commercial, something hit me.
Heidi doesn't look well at all. And I mean not just skinny, she looks sick.
Then, Deena is shown saying ~its a battle between the weaker and the stronger. ~ And, she says this like someone who is talking about having to kill the chicken for food,(Heidi) she feels *kind of* bad about it, but, oh well.
I am also thinking about what Jeff said in his interview on power (regarding ep9)
He said Deena was one of the few who was aware of A shift, but but did she know WHAT shift (pharaphrase)

We saw how fed up Deena got with Shawna when she was "sick" and now, Heidi gets a swollen knee bad enough to require that she be cared for.
Heidi is not in the final 3 alliance as far as DEENA is concerned.

So,

* Heidi is overcome with pain from a swollen knee and must be cared for. But does this make her vunerable? YES

I think the target is Matt, but Matt wins immunity.
I also don't think Deena is aware of just how tight Jenna and Heidi are, so I think she goes to Jenna and says Alex or HEIDI is the one to go. Jenna talks her into Alex, but is shocked by the mention of Heidi. The rest are told Alex is the boot, but Rob is left out of the loop, because Deena knows he is tight with Alex, and might spill the beans. She knows she has enough votes to get rid of Alex without Rob.

Ok, now, remember that conversation that Jenna and Deena had regarding Alex and Rob? Deena said Alex had to go at some point because she wanted that alliance with Rob cut off so he would be loyal to them (Deena and Jenna) so, Jenna decides to clue Rob in on that, and Rob gets ticked off and decides to vote for Deena, causing a tie. She gets the rock. (this would explain why she hates Rob)
Rob doesn't care if he drives his car off the road, he'll take the chance of a rock, because he wants Deena gone now. He KNOWS Jenna and Heidi won't change THEIR votes, its a 50/50 chance he's willing to take if Deena stays. Maybe he figures even if Deena does stay, he can get Matt with them, and vote Deena off next time.

(Maybe Matt just gets mad because someone messed with his machete and it had nothing to do with interpersonal relationships. Red Herring.)

This scenario would also fit with ChillOne's spoiler that a girl (Jenna) agrees to "loosen up" if "someone" is not voted off (Heidi) and she "frolicks" next esisode because she is happy it worked out for her and Heidi. We were assuming the nekkid pole standing was it, but there was no frolicking involved.

This would also support the weight loss for Rob, the girls are grateful he helped them out, and vote off Alex next TC because of course, Matt wins immunity again. Alex is the last remaining physical threat for immunity next to Matt, so he is a logical choice, even though they like him. They voted off Dave and liked him, they want to win, so Alex goes.
(Watch for a major gloating confessional at this time from Rob, he is on his way to his dream final 3.)
But, the next episode, either Christy, Butch and Matt wise up and realize Jenna/Heidi/Rob need to be broken up and vote out Heidi, because either Jenna (forshadowing Jenna saying she could never win immunity, she already has once) or Rob gets immunity, or maybe its a tie again. Heidi is (finally) booted.

Now, Jenna and Rob are vulerable, and Rob is picked off because Jenna wins immunity. (forshadowing)
Christy is next to go, Jenna/Matt and Butch don't want to go up against her at F2.
Matt or Jenna wins final immunity and take each other because they don't want to go up against Butch.

Jenna and Matt are the final two.

Webkitty

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger, I was composing my post while you were posting those pics, excellent!

Matt's hair does look neater, at least.

Webkitty

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I messed up, there needs to be one more vote for Deena in there. Maybe Jenna and Heidi bring on Christy. (or it involves Matt somehow, since he does look REALLY ticked, more than I would think over a machete!)

Kaili

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yikes- Matt really does look scary compared to the pre-show picture!!!!

Webkitty

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Matt is mad at Rob.........ok, maybe Deena does tell Rob its Alex, but Rob tells Matt its Deena, because if he tells Matt its Alex, he will be tipping his hand that Matt is in a false alliance.

So, Matt is all set to vote for Deena, but finds out that everyone else is voting for Alex, and has is out with Rob. He would look like a fool being the only one voting for Deena, and it would put an even bigger target on him next time.
Jenna and/or Heidi hear this, and decide to tell Rob about the secret plan of Deena's, (to seperate Alex and Rob as a voting block) and he and Jenna and Heidi go to Matt and work it out, and they vote for Deena.
Unless Rob goes ep10, he and Matt must make up somehow. The new alliance is Rob/Matt/Jenna/Heidi

Oh, geesh, I need to give it a rest!

Juju2bigdog

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<looks at Webkitty and spins head backwards>

Gina8642

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My two cents?

I think Rob is just too involved with everyone in the game to go so soon. His weight loss spoiler is also stronger than Deena's or Alex's. So, I think it is Deena's or Alex's turn on Thursday, not Rob's. Which one? No clue, but I see Alex as the more likely of the two. Alex can be seen as a threat down the line, so an easy one to get folks to turn on. This group of survivors has definately had the theme of the weak ousting the strong.

Webkitty

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, one more post and then I'm calling it quits (right)

Two more reasons I think Heidi WILL be vunerable.

First, I think it was Milkshakey that reported that Heidi said ~you won't believe what happens in episode 9~
From what I have seen of Heidi, whatever happens,it must involve her somehow or she wouldn't mention it. She seems self centered, so I think the swirling vortex starts with her. (Deena mentions to Jenna that Heidi might be a consideration for the boot)

Second, we were shown Deena going on and on and on in the merge episode about never underestimating the power of a woman.
I think she was right, but the woman who will have the power this episode will be Jenna, who saves Heidi, and come out of the fray with a new alliance. Either Matt/Rob/Heidi/Jenna or Rob/Jenna/Heidi/Christy.

I think Rob stays until F5, so Alex and Butch are left out, but Butch slips through the cracks until the end.

Someone drives themselves off the road, and I'm sure its Deena or Rob, but I can't wait to see it.

Alaginger

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WebK......this all sounds good, except the part about.....

Heidi hates Christy.....

where does that come in your analysis??? That's the only thing missing that I can see!

Webkitty

Monday, April 07, 2003 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Because Heidi gets voted out before Christy. This is HEIDI we're talking about here! LOL. I doubt it would take much more than that. Especially since Heidi doesn't go until the end, she gets so close, (with her friend Jenna yet) and no cigar.

Plus, maybe the new core alliance is Jenna/Heidi/Christy who vow to go to the final 3 together. 3 "girls" and Christy changes her mind at the end, (for whatever reason) and Heidi goes.

Micknrc

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 04:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
hey guys, I'm off to work in the field for a couple of days (I scheduled it so I'll be back Thursday, of course!)-- have fun without me and I expect y'all to have it everything worked out by the time I return.

In the meantime let me leave you with this....


aisle

Fruitbat

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 05:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is possible that Butch wins IC. There is a thread at Sucks discussing this too.

He is an athelete and hunts. This bodes well for hitting a target. Christy's hair is clean and it makes sense for him to choose her.

We have seen in previous Survivors that things do not change without a catalyst. Butch was the next chosen boot and his IC wins throws them into change.

Grooch

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 05:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought the bug eating was the IC.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 05:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Typo, (he may win both) I can see him winning RC and taking Christy.

Car54

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 05:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thread Bat is referring to is the Crescendo Boot thread over at the Spec board.

The gist of it is that Butch would be the logical next boot..keep the F6 alliance going, but he disrupts it by winning the IC...forcing the alliance to start cannibalizing themselves a week early.

The whole concept is that the boot prior to the Recrap is usually a spectacular one...to carry us 2 weeks until the next new episode.

Fun to think about.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 05:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't the recap always scheduled at the same point regardless of the action?

Car54

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 05:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I am not sure. We only get the episode titles a few weeks ahead of time, so we would not know until then.

Maybe someone else knows if the recap has been consistent in where it falls, I am not sure. I know this time we only knew about 2 weeks ago.

Grooch

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 05:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still think Matt is going to win the IC.

Webkitty

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 06:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been reading on other boards that the recap is off this time, probably due to May sweeps.

I was getting ahead of myself last night.
Figuring out who wins the IC this week is key.

Looking at the IC, it seems as if the grasshopper is the first bug they have to eat. They each a a bowl lined up in front of them with one in it.
Going down the line, it looks like Alex gets his down first. Jenna is next to him, and it looks like she is just taking her first bite after he has eaten his.
Next is Butch, he looks like he is going for it.
Christy is next, but we don't know if the gagging is from the first round or not. Matt is after her, and he hesitates for a moment, but then goes for it. Next to him is Rob, and I don't see any movement on his part to eat. Heidi is after him, and she is going for it, Deena is on the end and is too.

They show a bowl of live larva type bugs, and I counted nine, but it looks like there *might* be one just off camera. I have no idea why there would be more than 8 of them.
Then, they show a bowl with 5 flys in it. I would say this means that 3 people have been eliminated prior to that.

One thing, when Christy is gagging, I can see Butch to her left. She turns to the right to gag, but I don't see Matt anywhere. Of course, the shots are tight, but still, I wonder if she is gagging on the second or third round, and Matt has already been eliminated.

The clue says he is convinced he needs to throw a challenge to get back under the radar. Jeff said he had no clue how to play the game of Survivor. So, this must be the IC. He either won the RC, or, he brings unwanted attention to himself early in the show. That pic of him up there looks like he is REALLY mad at someone. Its not in the commercial, is there a web preview that shows more than just a pic? I can't view the live action ones.
Also, why do we think this pic is before the RC?

One more note, the commercial clearly states that the battleline is drawn right down the middle. Right after the VO says there are four women and four men left.

Webkitty

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 06:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bye Mick! Thanks for the pic, and be safe on your trip!

Alaginger

Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 06:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Web,

The middle picture of Matt (above) is shown at all the places I see pictures posted before they show the RC or IC. Your right, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is in the show before the RC.....but I just think it is!

Wouldn't it be something if the last two in the RC are Butch and Matthew, and whoever wins takes the other one along? There are just so many ways this thing could go this week, but regardless of how it pans out.....somebody is going to spill some beans, and there is going to be a shakedown.....and it is going to be one heck of a good show. Of course, this doesn't tell us how to vote???