Archive through May 12, 2003
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Archive through May 12, 2003
Watching2 | Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 11:53 pm     Sea: <We have two weeks of AI and then TAR starts up. > OOOOPS!! Notice I combined the two and put in "AR!" I need to get this right if I want to ask questions! LOL Actually, I watch "AI" every week, having gotten addicted to it this year! I'm afraid to even say who I want to win after toinght. LOL You're right Sea. Matt did seem to be OK with the final outcome. And Jenna has a long way to go as far as maturity, but at least it was nice to see her admit the bad things she saw in herself watching the show. The one person whose attitude bothered me at the reunion was Alex. He still had to be snide about Matt. My opinion went way down regarding him even after he was voted out, just by seeing his facial expressions at tribal councils. He just lowered himself further at the reunion. Most of the others seemed really congenial and good sports about it. Alex can just carry his big chip on his shoulder right into Belly's and whine to his "boss" about it. EWWW LOL I think Matthew showed extreme class tonight. OK, even when people thought he was creepy, I always thought he was a class act. ;-) |
Muse | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 12:09 am     I think whoever actually wins each season is obviously the person who "deserves" it. They did what it took...maybe they had some luck thrown in there and help from others, but they were the ones who lasted and got the votes. That being said, though, while she might have been deserving, I still really wish Jenna wouldn't have won. I don't think she played the game as well as skillfully as some of the others (as a viewer, I ended up rooting for Rob), and I just don't find her as likable as most of the other contestants. I think Matthew played about as good of a game as her (he was a bit naive, but he improved -- might have had help from Rob, but he still managed to play his own game at the end). Plus I liked how he put in so much effort into *everything* -- challenges, camp life/work, learning how to play the game, trying to get along with other people, etc. I think Jenna was more tolerable in the final because she became the underdog and had to work to stay in the game, and I think it's possible that she really did grow and mature because of her Survivor experience. But after watching her for several months...I was hoping Rob or Matt would win it all. Matt really blew it during the jury questioning, though. Not that he really had much of a chance before that, but I was just cringing when he said certain things. I find Christy's vote a little strange, but good for her for getting over her grudge against Jenna, I guess. Deena was also pretty darn forgiving with her vote. And I have decided that I dislike Alex. His little rant about Matthew being weird was a little over-the-top. Leave the guy alone already. I hope next season's contestants are more likable. It seems like there's a lot more petty, clique-ish, mean-spirited people (especially younger people for some reason) on Survivor than there were in the first few seasons. Some "villains" are good, but I want to have more people to really *like*. Editing to add that I thought Matt looked really good on the reunion. I almost didn't recognize him. Some of the others cleaned up really well (well, except for Heidi -- what is the girl doing to her hair??), but I'd give him "most improved".  |
Whoami | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:37 am     <comes into room really late...sets up Swiffer Wet Mop, just in case any other late arrivals come in, and find the barf bags all used up....> I'm SOOO glad I decided to watch the tape before I came here! I would not have enjoyed the show knowing the final outcome. We had a nice Mother's Day, and then I came home at Midnight and watched the whole tape. |
Mydogbuffy | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:45 am     I could not believe that Matt did not win. Matt worked so hard and was very sincere in actions to other contestants...like giving up his own visit with his mother so all the others would be allowed to visit with loved ones. Even though he still got his visit, he didn't know he would. He also worked his butt off while Jenna and Heidi just set there an watched. They admitted they (Heidi and Jenna) 'should' help but they wasn't going to..saying why should we they are going to vote us off. I thought to myself I would tell them since they didn't help build this shelter they couldn't use it - but ha! I guess I would have been booted early. I had honestly wanted Butch and Matt to be the last two standing and thought Butch deserved it over Matt because he really didn't cause waves and worked hard to be a provider and a good person. I believe the guys just couldn't let Matt win because they didn't want this guy to beat them - that they would rather let a girl that was pretty much a slacker than to allow some man other than themselves win. MATT I APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR EXCUSES.. you played the game with courage and integrity..I know your loved ones are proud. As far as girls winning - I had wanted Christy...she worked hard under extra difficulties and I was very mad that they dumped her when they did. |
Seamonkey | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:53 am     who.. that is cool that you waited.. personally I was so happy I had already gone through the emotions and could just watch; enjoyed the good parts way more because I wasn't anxious about the endgame. That's the joy of having spoiling available, to see or not, and also of being able to record, so that you could wait until midnight to relish the surprise at your own chosen time. |
Essence | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:11 am     I'm really in shock. Jenna is the 'sole survivor'? Please... I've been trying to stay away from this board because I haven't seen the show yet. My power went out yesterday afternoon (due to heavy winds) and did not get turned on until after midnight. I had to have a friend tape it for me, and won't get the tape until this afternoon. I cannot believe Jenna won by that big of a margin over Matt. The only thing I can think of is that they were mad that Matt made it through (and they didn't) even though he was constantly on the chopping block. Jenna is now my new least favorite survivor winner ever. Actually there are more of them than ones I like. What a total crock. Oh well, can't wait 'til next season. |
Csnog | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:25 am     It was easy to see that both Deena and Christy voted for gender. Rob voted for the one most like him and she was a lock for Alex and Heidi. Why Dave voted the way he did is beyond me. |
Djgirl5235 | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:47 am     I actually was aghast for about a minute after Jenna won, but then I thought long and hard about it, and I'm actually impressed. True, we only get to see 40 minutes of every 72 hours, and I have to remind myself of that. Yes, they showed that Jenna never spoke to Christy - even two weeks ago when Heidi & Jenna were trying to get her to vote with them, however, I have seen numerous screencaps which prove this untrue, so that makes me feel a little better, especially after Christy gave her vote to Jenna. I truly wanted Rob to win - he deserved it, but if anyone had to win other than him, it really was a toss up for me between Matt & Jenna. Truthfully I have not liked any of the winners - even Ethan because the good game players (Rich Hatch and Brian are the exceptions - although I just didn't like them period), simply because I felt others deserved it more. I don't watch Survivor for the outcome, I like the journey to get to the outcome and all the twists and turns that occur week to week - I LOVED this season!!! I'm definitely going to watch the next one! As for Matt - he didn't do the one thing that is required for this game - he didn't socialize with everyone - Jenna did obviously. She must have been close with the entire jury to get almost all their votes. I knew that Butch was going to vote for Matt - that was a given, they spent the most time together, but you really didn't see Matt spending much time with anyone other than Rob. Jeff has always said that Matt didn't have the social understanding of this game... TAR - 2 weeks away!!! Yippee |
Aus10 | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:48 am     I still can't believe that Matt didn't win....oh well, my only comment in my total disappointment is one small correction from a thread a couple of pages up. Butch's town is Olney/Richland County, ILLINOIS. Not MO. No way we should be confused with MO.'s Heidi. I'd like to think we've got more class than that.... |
Duncan | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:52 am     I still want to know who brought the Granola bar. LOL. I think it was a plant from the CBS team just to stir the pot a little. I would imagine that all their stuff is pretty well searched to be sure they don't bring anything they aren't supposed to. While I personally would have preferred to see Matt win, I wasn't there, so I don't know everything that happened to swing their votes to Jenna....Jeff made it clear during the reunion that we don't see everything when he talked about his comment to Christy during an early TC that he thought she was acting like she deserved special treatment...I am just happy that it wasn't Heidi. Just because she may have scored hi on the IQ test (and why does CBS feel the need for an IQ test?), does not mean she has any common sense...she made that abundantly clear when she stripped for chocolate. I bet her students just love her for that, not to mention the parents of those kids. All in all, I really enjoyed this season...it was unpredictable, enjoyable, and consisted of some great moments of high stupidity...the fire being the most obvious one. On the down side...I was really hoping that we would make it through the reunion WITHOUT a "Hallelujah" from Joanna. I guess that was too much to ask. Did anyone get a glimpse of the picture she was holding and making sure the camera saw? Who was that? |
Duncan | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:55 am     AUS - I am ASHAMED to admit that Heidi is from my state....she sure didn't give Missourians a very good showing. |
Nutsy | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:01 am     Question - did anyone else get a romantic vibe off of Matt/Jenna last night? |
Duncan | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:22 am     Someone just asked Matt and Jenna that on The Early Show. They tactfully dodged the question - didn't say yes and didn't say no. |
Twinkie | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:23 am     I'll take the bet that next year's winner will be a guy. After being very angry about the outcome of this survivor, the show just became a big yawnfest for me. Fixed. |
Misslibra | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:54 am     I was wondering about Jenna and Matt to they seemed more then a little close last night. And now that I know they dodge the question makes you wonder about them even more. When Jeff seen them practically in each others lap last night why didn't he call them on it and ask them if anything was going on ? |
Essence | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 07:17 am     from the CBS website... CHAT LIVE WITH THE FINAL FOUR SURVIVORS: Jenna Morasca: Monday, May 12 2PM ET Matthew Von Ertfelda: Monday, May 12 3PM ET Rob Cesternino: Tuesday, May 13 2PM ET Butch Lockley: Tuesday, May 13 3PM ET |
Crazydog | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 07:33 am     A little late to the party, but.... I thought the whole "Jeff on a jetski" thing was ridiculous. Like on Survivor Australia when we were supposed to believe he took a helicopter all the way back to the U.S. The way he was on the subway, peering intently out the window for his stop. So hammy and stupid. And could he please retire that blue shirt? I am one of the few who liked Jenna so I am happy with her win. I could barely recognize her at the reunion show, though. She had blue contacts and straight hair - she looked good, but not really like the same person I have been seeing all along. Matthew looked completely different too - with spikey hair, not as gaunt looking. I thought he looked like Ricky Martin. I too caught the little gaffe where they had the "Jenna's family" tag. Survivor Pearl Islands looks great! Wish they had kept the logo on for a little longer. |
Brenda1966 | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 07:41 am     I was hoping someone had spoiled the Q&A after they announced Jenna as the winner. I had to miss 15 minutes of it to get my baby in bed. I'm not happy about Jenna's win. I'm hoping she grows from this and realizes she's been spoiled and unkind. I'm shocked that she won by a landslide and am hoping the Survivor Insider reveals what the voters said and that someone will transcribe that for us to read. I think Jenna and Vee tie as my least favorite winner. All the talk about Heidi and her high IQ just proves further that simply having a high IQ doesn't mean diddly. I think her emotional IQ is lacking. |
Pamy | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:48 am     I had a feeling Jenna was gonna win when I saw Rob vote, you could see he wrote Jenna even though the camera was behind him. I think it sucks she won,but I must say this was the best Survivor ever, from beginning to end, all the way to the reunion show!! I was wondering if Matt and Jenna had hooked up since she was hanging on him all during the show and was surprised JP didn't say anything about it. Our local newscaster was there and asked Matt about it, he said they were just bonding in a friendly kind of way. Hmmmmmmmmmmm I hope the next show is this great! Even with all the spoilers we still had many surprises! |
Crazydog | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:53 am     I really don't think Matt and Jenna are together. I thought she was just in a very giddy, "I just won a million dollars, I love EVERYBODY", type of mood and he just happened to be the one sitting next to her. |
Beachcomber88 | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 09:43 am     I also appear to be one of the few that was happy that Jenna won. Blue contacts - that's why she looked so different! And yes, Matt wasn't even recognizable. I was wondering why Jenna seemed to be hanging onto Matt throughout the whole reunion show also. But I didn't once think that they were together. Not sure why. I agree with Crazy, I think she was just happy to have won. But then why the dodging? Guess we'll have to wait and see what pans out. I couldn't stop laughing everytime Heidi opened her mouth. How many times do we have to hear about her athleticism and how she came into the show "as an athlete"? And then to find out that she has a high IQ and that she was "hiding" it? Seriously, c'mon! I think she did such a good job at hiding both her athleticism and brains that we couldn't even find it throughout the whole season. |
Webkitty | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 09:58 am     I am exhausted from all the spoiling I did this season, which started well before Feb 14th with the ChillOne spoiler over at Sucks spoiler board. So, after this post I need to take a rest but will be back for TAR. First, kudos to ChillOne for the best spoiler ever! His amazing Amazon spoiler added so much value to this season. Great job. Second, MB hit gold with Rob. He made this season for me. He is my #1 favorite Survivor ever. SO entertaining! Third, one of the biggest surprises for me last night was the announcement of S7. It was supposed to be Mexico, but the Pearl Islands look stunning and the theme of Pirates sounds intriguing. I look forward to seeing some great underwater challenges in that clear, gorgeous water. I can't wait to see this one. The other big surprize was Christy's vote for Jenna. I thought Rob would vote for her, but as I said in the game thread, I chickened out at the last second and said he would vote for Matt. Ah well. I was hoping for a Rob win, but all the clues I gathered this season led me to know that wasn't going to happen. There was just too much spoiler evidence that Jenna and Matt were our final two. I picked Jenna to win on spoiler evidence. I tried to put myself in the place of the jury, with the evidence I had. Insider transcripts, Jeff's Friday morning radio interviews, (which sometimes lead me astray, someone drives their car off the road and then there is a tie at TC because of it? good one Jeff!) post boot chats, reviewing my tapes, and ChillOne's claim that the F2 female was "more liked" than the F2 male. This seemed important enough for CO's intel to remember, so it factored into my decision. I know a lot of you are outraged that Matt didn't win, and feelings are running high today. Matt added a lot to this season, he was entertaining and I loved the Rob and Matt show. He was a good sport right to the end. But, in the end, the jury gave the win to Jenna. If you think about it logically, you know that we only see a small fraction of what went on there. This was no more obvious than Christy's vote. If Christy was ok with it, than I am too. Jenna dug in deep when she was sick to pull out the last two critical immunitys she needed. I can't begruge her that. She picked the right person to go up against in the final two. She knew something the general viewing audience didn't. MB is a story teller first, he loves weaving a tale intended to manipulate the audience. As I watch a season unfold, I ask myself, where are you going with this? Why did you show that? I love a good mystery and trying to figure out what will happen next. I love trying to figure out what spoilers are true, which ones are hoaxes, on and on. There isn't another reality show that provides this special mix. I knew right away the 1st season I was to become a Survivor "geek" I kept telling everyone that Richard Hatch would win. People would say, ewwwww! how can you say that! He is such a jerk! But, to me, the fasination was with trying to figure out what MB was up to. The editing was the Richard show, I could see it. Now, S4, that EPMB really got me good! lol I think the cast was great this year. The good, the bad the brave the entertaining and the ugly. I'll let others say which is which. Survivor geek over and out!  |
Faerygdds | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 11:05 am     At first I was really upset that Jenna won, but having a night to mull it over and talking with my husbnd I realized that she did deserve it... At the beginning she intended to use her sex appeal to get ahead, but the worst thing possible happened -- the gender split. She had to adapt and do it quickly. She formed the pretty girls clique and brought Deena in it to hold the majority. She did this all at the right time. Then the tribe swap happened... again the worst thing that could happen to her as her closest friend and ally was stolen from her. Again, she adapted and planned a new final 5, and in the back of her mind a final 4, fully knowing that Heidi would side with her and again be her closest ally. When Rob switched alliances and bailed on her I thought her goose was cooked. She managed to sway the sitation with Rob and heidi's help to ouset Christy. Then she ran for the finish by winning immunity exactly when she needed to. Like her or not (and I didn't through the series, but give her credit for recognizing herself as a "work in progress" of sorts)... she played the game and played it well. The embodied the biggest lesson in Survivor -- you have to be able to adapt to anything they throw at you. And like it or not, she did this really well! JMO |
Missapril | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 12:43 pm     I'm completely convinced all the jurors were offered big-time pay-offs to vote for Jenna and all but one of them took it... there's no other explanation for jenna beating Matt who was clearly, CLEARLY, the better player, better survivor and better person in general... |
Happymom | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:01 pm     I couldn't stand the outcome, but I did like the season. I am looking forward to the next one. I don't agree that Jenna played the best game, I think Rob was right when he said this game involves a lot of luck. I think a lot of what was shown actually showed her playing a bad game, especially when she and Dave had date night. I think she was very lucky quite a bit of the time throughout the game. I'd really love to hear what went on among the jury when they weren't at TC. I really think Christy must've been convinced to vote for Jenna. Still...I was her choice. I would love to hear why the 6 all voted for Jenna, they only showed some explanations. Rob...I can see why he voted for Jenna, he probably really felt that Matt was riding on his coattails. I also wish Jeff would've pegged Jeanne down about that mold cooking! I also wish we could've known the answer to the big granola bar question. No one will probably ever confess to it because they'd probably have to give the $ back. |
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