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Hermione69 | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 06:36 pm     well, it just occured to me that since C1's source said joanna was the first women voted off, maybe the person meant the first woman or even the first person after the merge?? C1 seemed pretty definite about an earlier than usual merge and that scenario would fit with snewser being convinces shawna goes soon. if she is that sick or unhappy, are they really going to keep her around? i think there was definitely a language barrier of some sort which caused mistranslation between C1 and his source. i work with ESL (English as a Second Language) students at my school and when i am trying to get information out of them, i will repeat it back to them for confirmation and whether i have it right or wrong, they often nod at me. it can be a real challenge. i myself do the deaf nod thing. i think its universal when you are not sure you understand, but don't want to be a nuisance, to pretend you understand. it's part of why i am not discounting C1 yet. i think he got some good clues. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 07:47 pm     Rob wasn't paying attention when Vecepia won.. she definitely gave Jesus credit for her win.. so maybe Vee clued Jesus in about Joanna? |
Fruitbat | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 03:57 am     ROLF! Seamonkey. |
Fruitbat | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 04:27 am     If this spoiler is correct the women did not play well. Christy, Janet, Deana, Jeanne and Johanna did not see the necessity of eliminating the 3 beauties straight away. There has not been one Survivor where they considered offing the threats to win until it is too late. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 05:37 am     There is a guy at Sux claiming that he got info that seems to indicate a switch episode 5 or 6 and that Alex gets taken out by Jenna, Heidi and Rob. I can totally see that happening. It also fits with Snewser's information that Shawna leaves pre-jury and that since she and Alex are rumored to be dating now, Alex must hook up with her at Loser Lodge. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 05:42 am     From Chill One's spoiler: 11. The 2 tribes will merge (or possibly just live together) earlier than in the first 5 installments ... possibly as soon as after the 3rd, 4th, or 5th person is voted off. The source could have confused a switch and a merge. Either way, I like Alex a lot and hate to see him get taken down by Rob, Jenna and Heidi, but it would make good TV if it comes true. Another thing I have picked up is that, according to Heidi's friend at SS, the only woman she has stayed friends with is Jenna. What happened to Shawna? |
Fruitbat | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 06:13 am     Herm. I have not been to Sucks in awhile. Wasn;t there a spoiler very early on that said Shawna and Matt were the final two or am I nuts? If there was I assume that source has been discredited. |
Webkitty | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 06:18 am     Hermione, thanks for that info, I haven't been over there yet today. I was going to comment on the speculation about Alex and Shawna dating before, but haven't had a chance. I noticed that on the show Thursday, during the mixer RC, Alex seemed to be drawn to Jenna, not Shawna, so Alex and Shawna being at LL lodge together makes sense. Also, Alex came across as feeling secure in his position within the men's tribe, a switch or merge soon makes sense too. I can't see him being voted off over Roger for any other reason. Rob wanted to talk Alex into voting off Roger the episode before. Something happens. ChillOne is looking better and better, good for him, I'm sorry I called him a nerdy geek before  |
Gina8642 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 06:19 am     First my Opinion of ChillOne I don't think he's a hoax, but I do think he is one of two things. Either A - ChillOne is exactly what he claims to be.. A tourist who happened to end up where Survivor was filmed right after the filming. No matter how many questions he asked, everything he learned is 1 -through an interpreter 2 -through the perception of someone from another culture 3 -from someone very low level in the production. So, if we can't keep all these 'J' women strait, do you really think a local who probably had no reason to hear their names regularily could? I also don't think someone not directly involved with the production would really be aware of each and every boot. Locals were probably - guides, boat drivers, food preparers, heavy laborers, staff at loser lodge. IMO, none of those people would ever get a 'complete picture' of what was going on in a production. I've worked in area where car commercials were shot (it was very scenic), I even worked traffic control on one shoot. I stood right next to production people with radios (and we all spoke the same language) and I pretty much had NO CLUE what was going on. B - ChillOne is a CBS plant. In the interviews with MB and JP, those two make it sound like they really do this - (I don't know why, seems like the speculation is good enough as it is...) Seems to me a good plant would have to give some good enough, some misleading. If it is all fake, then it will be quickly dismissed. So, some of what he says is true. Ryan and Dan were picked as early boots - good info. Men and women were separate - good info. JoAnna first woman to go - not good info. So, if ChillOne is who he says, then his info can be helpful, but by no means perfect. And, if ChillOne is a CBS plant, the same thing - some will be helpful, some will be misleading. Spoilers have always given a pretty good idea who's there toward the end. It isn't one spoiler, but combinations of many. (Weight Loss, what boots say in interviews, What friends/family let slip, etc.) It is also their (the survivor show's) stupid insistance of haveing the men have the same facial hair at the end. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 06:28 am     So, all that said - If Christy, Butch, and Matt all make it to final four - how does that happen? Both Matt and Christy appear to be highly vulnerable right now. So, they need a twist. If they can twist off all the more vulnerable members to a new tribe, then they can survive. I figure it needs to be soon. 'Pick up sticks' sure sounds like a move to me. So I figure it's the episode to watch. |
Webkitty | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 06:33 am     Bat, I am going to stick my neck out here and say Jenna is the F2 female. There was some specualtion eary on that it could be Shawna, but its not looking good at this point. I would also like to point out that there was some confusion over the F2 female. (if there is one) ChillOne reported that his intel told him that the F2 female was not considered the hottest at the beginning, but was by the end. He made the mistake of throwing in his own speculation that it could have been due to weight loss, his intel never told him that. This caused a lot of problems over at SS, it made him seem less credible. He admitted his fumble on that, and straightened it out. Weight had nothing to do with the "hot" factor. My take on this is: Remember the first TC, when the guys were going on about who they thought was hot? They were focusing on Heidi and Shawna, Jenna was left out. This whole riddle could be as simple as this, that Jenna was not mentioned at first. Not really that they didn't think she was hot, just that the guys were focusing on the other two girls at the very first TC. I have also read that Jeff says that Jenna is very likeable. ChillOne said his intel told him that the F2 female was more liked than the F2 male. Also, that the F2 male had a big, muscular build, and a side part. Early prediction. Its Jenna and Matthew. Jenna wins. I could be waaay off on this, and might be eating crow soon, since some boards are saying Matthew is in danger of being being voted off due to his association with Daniel, so, jmo. |
Webkitty | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 06:36 am     Gina, I agree with everything you said. Also, Pick Up Sticks sure sounds like a twist or merge to me, makes sense. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 08:16 am     Fruitbat, of Chill One's final four, the only one he got a name on was "Jenna" and he said that "Jenna" makes the F2. But C1 also said, as Webkitty explained, that this F2 female was not that great looking in the beginning, but was hot by the end. When people looked at Jenna's photos and saw how attractive she is and that she is a model, etc. those two statements didn't compute together. Then someone else came along and said that in the Portuguese tongue, "Jeanne, Jenna, Deena, Shawna and Joanna" would all sound alike. Since Jenna is already viewed as attractive by many people, speculation started that "Jenna" of the F2 is actually one of the other females whose name would sound like hers in Portuguese and not Jenna herself. Shawna's name was thrown out as a possibility. A lot of people wanted it to be Shawna because she is so darling and already has a lot of fans. But I think Shawna is doomed. Personally, I don't think it will be Jenna in the F2. There are no weight loss spoilers on her. I know a lot of people think she is too thin to have weight loss spoilers, but Heidi lost 23 pounds. There are too many weight loss spoilers on other people for someone who doesn't have one to outlast them all, IMHO. Also, Snewser ranks Jenna in the middle. When Snewser starts putting her on his "Most likely to starve" list, I'll start considering it. Personally, I think it will end up being Deena in the F2. She has the most potential to look drastically different by the end and she has a couple of spoilers on her that indicate she makes it quite far. Matthew is still being speculated about as an F2. You didn't imagine that. He also has a couple of longevity spoilers on him. I think that he is saved because I think the women lose IC this week and the switch happens the next week. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 09:08 am     Gina, I'll take your "A" scenario, but if it is "B" then probably C1 posted enough to reel us in, but the F4 will be totally different. The only thing about C1's F4 is that they match up with other spoilers' information (like weight loss reports) so it is probably going to end up being pretty accurate. (Isn't this fun? ) I'm just guessing here because I am bored... Next boot - Joanna/Shawna Then the switch New tribe 1 Heidi Alex - 1st boot from this tribe Jenna Rob (?) Jeanne (?) Dave - 2nd boot from this tribe (Snewser has him at LL also) New tribe 2 Christy Deena Butch Matthew (?) Joanna/Shawna - 1st boot from this tribe (?) Roger Merge (ranked by longevity) Deena (F1) Matthew (F2) Butch (F3) Christy (F4) Heidi (F5) Rob (F6) Jenna (F7) Roger (F8) Jeanne (F9) New tribe 2 boots Jeanne first so they have a 5-3 advantage, and then they boot Roger because they don't like him and know they will still have the advantage. And then they pick off the Rob- Jenna- Heidi alliance, leaving a final four of Christy, the deaf girl per C1, Butch, the older man per C1, Matthew, the muscular guy with a side part per C1, and "Jenna" or Deena, the F2 woman who got hotter as time passed per C1. I have a bowl of crow in my freezer waiting for me to heat it up and eat it when this is over. |
Pamy | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 09:59 am     Thanks for all this info. Hermie..yes! it is fun! I am too lazy to read all the other boards so I love to read all your hard work in this thread! BTW I was thinking of you last night, I hit mute on the remote by mistake and dropped the remote before I picked it up I started watching the tv to see how hard it is to read lips. I only got 3 or 4 words! I admire you so much and can only imagine how hard some things in life are for you. |
Webkitty | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:28 am     Hermione, I pretty much agree with your boot order except for Deena/Jenna From ChillOne's thread at SS, posted on 1/13 at 1:13PM, page 24 by ChillOne: 20. The female that makes it to the Final 2 is rumored to have been "not the most attractive at the beginning of the show, but ends up being the hottest. (again, weight loss was not a factor in this female ending up the "hottest" nor was a tan) Who thinks this female is hot? The jury? The final four? The Brazillians? I don't think this question was ever answered. I could be wrong about that, but I think people are assuming that its the Brazillion intel person that thought she was hot. Determining WHO thought she was hot is the key, for me at least. Anyway, I still think Jenna will turn out to be a "good guy" and she will be the F2 female. <my bowl of crow is in my freezer waiting too> Also, I noticed another tidbit from his same post that might be relevant to Ep.4. 18. One of the female contestants frolicks around topless. I am told that this contestant was not "engagng" much in the episodes/filming (kinda taking a back seat). I was told that SEG production staff attempted to "kick start" this contestant. I was told that this contestent made some sort of "deal" where if "person x" did not get voted off in the next tribal council, she would liven up. Apparently, things worked out as her way of livening up involved nudity. I know, I know....this is new/additional intel. ChillOne got lambasted for that one. Everyone was saying that there was no way SEG production would interfere with the game like that. But, his overall predictions have come true, except for his boot order. The only female I can think of that has taken a back seat so far is Shawna. Not much film on her to date. (is she actually person x?) Jenna comes in second, imo. So, maybe its Jenna who agrees to do this if Shawna (person x) is not voted off. Heidi said in a confessional she thought it would be a good idea, but we have seen a lot of her, I can't see her as needing to be kick started. I would be flabergasted if any of the other women did this. IF this turns out to be true, then it must mean Joanna goes this week. (I really think the women are going to TC) We won't know until Ep5 if this bit of intel pans out or not, but if it does, it continues to give ChillOne credibility, and his final four predictions even more so, since he felt the most confident in them. Note: I am not counting the bathing scene we have already seen. That doesn't fit in with the above statement. One more note: from the same post by ChillOne: 21. The male that makes it to the Fianl 2 is rumored to be "BIG" in a muscular and tall kind of way. Possible a tight haricut parted to one side. This has to be Matthew. His hair is not "tight" imo, but he is the only one who has a side part. Maybe he wins an indivual RC, and gets a haircut. Just a thought. I am not liking him so far, so I am not thrilled with this scenario. |
Fruitbat | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:40 am     Thanks Herm. Deena and Matthew at 1 and 2 suit me just fine. I like this senario. |
Grannyg | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:45 am     On the hair part thingie, could be some of the others hair goes longer and they have to part it and it happens to be on the right. Some of them have such short hair cuts in the beginning photos that it would be hard to decide if they part it or not once it got longer. Alex and Dave both look like their hair it cut really short so once it got longer they may part it. |
Squaredsc | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:54 am     my head is hurting trying to keep this stuff straight.  |
Hermione69 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 11:03 am     There is some very interesting reading at other sites. Many people think Heidi will be the beeitch of the show that we were warned about. There is also speculation that Heidi will set up Rob down the road (maybe a la Penny, by trying to realign to save herself?) which is why MB is focusing so much on Rob's interest in her. What else did I read... hmmm... trying to think... Jeff does say that Jenna is hard to categorize in comparison to past contestants. He said she is not the sweetheart, but neither is she the villain. Oh, in both Ryan and Daniel's chats, they were asked about Christy's being deaf and neither of them had any idea while the show was in progress, so that is either misleading information or a clue that she does indeed make the jury because if she was at LL with them, they would've known. I don't know that those two would have been able to plant misleading information with aplomb, especially Ryan who seems to have poor impulse control, LOL, so that is just one more piece of evidence to me that Christy at least makes the jury. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 11:05 am     Square, it makes my head spin, too! |
Hermione69 | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 11:08 am     Granny, unfortunately, it is widely believed that Alex and Dave do not go very far and probably do not even make the jury, especially Alex. Rob does go far, according to spoilers, but he doesn't have a big build to be the hair part guy. It really just leaves Matthew if you take other spoilers into consideration. I would like it to be Alex! P.S. Thanks, Pamy!  |
Grannyg | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 11:13 am     I don't like Rob. I love Alex!! Maybe Matthew is better than Rob or Rob better than Matthew. I need a few more episodes to figure that out!! edit to add: Hermi, read your members folder!! |
Webkitty | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 11:31 am     Don't worry, Christy will make the jury, and probably the final 4. I agree about Ryan having poor impulse control, the first boots never got to know her in Brazil. I can see Heidi being the "Jerri" of this season. I can also see Jeanne in that role. The Hand is going this week, or I would think its her. Good call Granny. I can see your point, but Matthew is the tallest, with the biggest build, and he's soooooo sneaky! lol. I bet he finds a way to worm his way to F2. (just not getting a good vibe from this guy) This doesn't surprise me, I have never been happy with BOTH of the F2 finishes from any season. |
Grannyg | Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 11:45 am     Web, I like it better when I only like one of the F2. That way I am either REALLY happy or REALLY mad!! And can have lots to say about both!! |
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