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Csnog

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was apparent from the votes that they didn't work to change it. Oh maybe they tried to get Butch while they were alone with him but I think they knew it was not going to work.

Rob had a chance to take out Jenna but he didn't which leads me to believe he really wants her in final 2 with him.

Matt needs to win the next 2 IC to stay in and because of the rumor that someone goes on a IM run I think it's Matt.

Mware

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My breath caught in my throat last night because at one point, early in the show, it looked to me like Rob had developed a side part.

Later on, I saw that he had just brushed the hair from each side up toward the middle, but unless someone was looking at him head-on, it would look like he did have a side part in his hair.

Could it be???

Kaili

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It could be. Basically the only thing that seems clear is that Butch is not one of the final two. So...

One of the men will have to go first. I think most likely this will be Butch. I don't know how this will work out, but we have to keep Jenna for whatever reason so I think he goes first. It's time for the quiet, UTR guy to go- nobody wants to go up against him in the end because he hasn't pissed anyone off to a degree that they should vote against him for it (as far as I am aware).

So we have the final 3- Jenna, Rob, and Matt. If Matt won that immunity, I'm not sure that he would turn his back on Rob and take Jenna. From what we have seen of him, he doesn't seem that underhanded. If Rob won immunity, I believe he would deceive Matt and take Jenna. It's what he wants. Jenna- who would she take if she won? I don't know that she would take Rob since he explained to her how it was that he could beat her. She may take Matt because I don't know how much she has talked to him but he is the "creepy guy" so she must figure she could beat him. Based on this, I'm thinking that Matt can't win that immunity or it would probably be two men in the final two.

Whatever the case, I don't see Jenna winning (fingers crossed).

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good Speculation Guys!!!

I think since Heidi and Jenna both voted for Rob this last IC, that Jenna has a vengeance to oust Rob. If she wins the first immunity challenge this Sunday and tells Matthew she is voting for Rob ..... Matthew has already said during a confessional last night that he has a commitment for F2 with both Butch and Rob. He said he had got this far by not having to stab somebody in the back, but that he was going to have to do it pretty soon. No way to get around it. So, if Jenna has immunity and is voting for Rob, this would be Matthew's chance to get rid of one of his 2 commitments. This is all based on if Jenna should win the "Fallen Comrades" challenge. If not, she should be the next one to go unless there is a tie that has to be broken.

Kaili

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But who would the tie be with? That would mean that one of the men would have to vote with her- who would do that? they would know it would result in a tie and I don't think anyone, especially at this point, wants to risk the final 2 on a tie. Not knowing the tie breaker, they may assume that it would again come down to a random draw for who goes. Who would risk that?

Kaili

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone know what everyone said as they voted last night? I would like to have heard the reasoning they used for voting for Heidi and the reasoning the girls used for voting for Rob. Frankly, it didn't matter who the girls voted for- I couldn't figure out why they looked so shocked/offended that it was one of them being voted off.

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kaili, if you go over to Sucks spoiler board, there is a poster there named Marcopolo. He transcribes the Yahoo Insider clips every Friday morning. It will tell you what each one said as they voted and much, much more! (sorry, I can't post links, and I apologize for not being able to post one yesterday for the "Blows" post I was directing)

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mware, I noticed Rob's side part too!

I hope someone can ccp the Insider transcrips here, it tells a lot about Rob and Matt's plan for F2.

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here you go:

Matthew (votes Heidi): She's a great girl, but she tried to screw me and vote me out a couple days ago. She deserves to be voted out based on her desire to plot against me and throw me out of the game. So, I am going to miss her. She's a great girl, but I have no choice.

Jenna (votes Rob, low tired voice): I'm voting for you Rob because you stabbed our alliance in the back and screwed me and other people who would have made it to the final four. HARD TO HEAR HER!

Rob (votes Heidi): Two girls, 1 brain, divide by 2, only 1 halfwit left.

Butch (votes Heidi): Heidi you a great girl. This vote has not personally to do with you. It deals with alliances, strategy and loyalty. Good luck.

Heidi (votes Rob in a sweet voice, not angry): Rob, I’m voting for you tonight just because if it wasn't your break of alliance, I would have made it to the final three. But no hard feelings. I know you played the game tough and hard. Good luck to you.

Moondance

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey MsKitty:)

I posted Markopolo's recap in the Yahoo Plat thread for any one who wants to read it:)

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger, if the next IC is fallen comrades, Rob will win that hands down. Butch will go. Then, the final IC Jenna will win, and take Matt over Rob. She will base it on emotion instead of game play. But, that won't matter, she can't win against Rob OR Matt.

Jury vote:

Jenna: Heidi

Matt: everyone else

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oOPS, sorry Moon, I missed it. Thanks!

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Web.........right after I posted the final words above, I noticed that Moon (thanks Moon ) had posted the whole Marcopolo Yahoo Insider Clips thing in the other thread. I haven't finished reading it all yet, but it sure looks to me like Rob and Matthew have a plan to boot Jenna next unless she wins immunity, and then Butch. This show is sooooooo much fun!!! The best ever!!!

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow.........after reading the Insider, it sure sounds like Butch better win immunity if he wants to stay around..........unless Matthew is a better actor than we give him credit for!!! (Could Be)

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Ginger, Matt and Rob swore on their mothers for an F2 finish. Matt doesn't think Butch deserves to win! Unless Butch wins the next immunity, he is toast. They want to drag Jenna to F3, they think they have a better chance to beat her in the final challenge. (they didn't say this, but it was implied, imo)

I think Matt says what he thinks. I don't think he would swear on his mother if he didn't mean it. Rob, on the other hand
I have really enjoyed Rob this season, and would love to see him win, as long as he doesn't stab Matt in the back. I don't think that will happen, though. Like I said above, I think Jenna will (somehow) win the last IC, and take the decision out of Rob and Matt's hands.

Happymom

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Webkitty that if the next IC is Fallen Comrades Rob will win that IC. One of his main strategies has been to know everyone as best as he can. He has really paid attention.

Hermione69

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I cannot see Jenna paying attention to anyone else enough to win a Fallen Comrades challenge. I think any of the men could beat her. Rob and Matt have both shown they are good listeners. I also think Butch absorbs a lot more than he lets on.

Did S5 have the fallen comrades? I don't think they did, because everyone said that might have been Brian's undoing because it would have shown how self-absorbed he was. I don't have time to read through everything... is the Fallen Comrades a definite this time or speculation?

Why is everyone still so convinced in a Matt-Jenna F2? With the departure of Heidi, most explanations for how his F4 scenario could still be explained are now out the window (like maybe he never saw the F2 and that was Heidi/Rob). Is it the CBS betting spoiler? I must be extremely cynical because I can't help thinking that just may have been a deliberate faker by CBS. That would have been so easy for them to arrange.

Well, I can't stay to play. I have to get ready for the Relay for Life, a cancer fundraiser I am walking in with my mom this afternoon through the night.

JANE!! CONGRATS!! I will check out the pictures when I have more time!! Happy thoughts and best wishes to you, your hubby and little boy! I LOVE his name!

I'll try to peek back in after my shower... (Even out of town, I can't stay away)

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing with Butch is that he is always off away from the others fishing or gathering firewood. Deena made a point in one of the Insider transcripts (when they were debating on an alternate boot for Matt) that Butch didn't talk to anyone, and doesn't know anything about their personal lives. I'm sure he's a good listener, but he has to be around to absorb. He worked hard the whole time, and it might be his downfall.
IF the next IC is fallen comrades, I can't see him winning it. Jenna either, she has been too self absorbed. She might have a slim chance if fallen comrads is just for the jury members. (I can't remember! ack)
She had conversations with Dave, Deena, Alex and of course, Heidi. Her refusal to have anything to do with Christy will be her downfall, though. We know Matt, Rob and Butch all had conversations with Christy.
Matt didn't have the extensive conversations with the jury members that Rob did, though.
I would bet Rob takes fallen comrads easily.
Then, Butch would get the boot. (because Matt wants him out and we see that Rob feels he is in no position at this point to call the shots, its Matt's game from here on out)
Jenna wins the last IC, and takes Matt.
I can see a Matt/Jenna F2. Unless, ChillOne's intel got Matt and Rob mixed up. I DID see a side part in Rob's hair last night! (I swear!) Rob has the "tight" haircut too.
I still think ChillOne was actually in the Amazon when he said he was. There is no way he could have guessed everything that would happen if he wasn't.
He knew too many details and knew Christy would be the first deaf contestant. Who could have guessed before the show even started that Matt, Jenna, Butch and Rob would be the final 4? Like Jeff said, even HE would have never guessed it, and he was there. ChillOne's final 4 was off by Christy, still, its a viable spoiler, imo.
I don't think he's a CBS/SEG plant, either.

Now, IF the next challenge is NOT fallen comrades, then its anyones guess. Butch could win, and then Jenna would get the boot, leaving an all male final 3. There was that post by tropicGuy that insisted that Matt and Butch were the final 2. He was discounted as a fake, and then he went back and deleted all his posts, claiming that Matt was "mad" at him for posting them.
Whatever happens, I have loved this season!

Aus10

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not really a spoiler, but some interesting info I found while visiting a local high school sports board. According to folks at the Clay County Coffee shop, (Clay County is next door to Richland Co./Olney) Butch and his wife have purchased two lots at East Fork Lake and apparently will start construction of a new home after Sunday's show. I do know that lots are very expensive on the lake, so I'm thinking that Butch does at least make it to final three before being booted. If it was in fact him I saw in the truck (still can't confirm anything) I don't think a forth place finish would be enough for a new truck AND a new home. JMHO

Hermione69

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks, Aus10!!!!!!!!!

Aus10

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, I do what little I can. Very little....OMG, that makes me sound like Heidi. *AUS10 running away embarrased w/shame, although not with silicone bouncing* :)

Hermione69

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That is really something. I'm wondering.... dare I go there??

Okay, let's play what if? Who would win in a Butch/Jenna Final Two?

How about in a Butch/Matt Final Two??

Butch/Rob?

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Aus10!!
I think the winnings were posted on this thread a while back. Even if he goes at F4, I *think* he would get 75,000. I think 3rd place is 80,000, not much of a difference, but I could be wrong on the calculations.
I know 2nd place is 100,000.
Being a school principal, I would think he has his credit in order anyway. An extra 75,000 would be plently to let him buy a new truck and some land. He would be smart enough to go for a 0 percent interest on the truck loan, keeping the money he won for investment.
On the land, he would only have to put a downpayment. So, yes, I would think 4th place would be plenty for him to do that. He wouldn't have to win or even get beyond F4 to make this work. Good for him!
Also I've read that the final 4 make more money after the show than they did in their place finishes. Even if they don't go into the "biz"
But, you never know, he could be the million dollar winner!

Hermione69

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To answer my own question, I think Butch would beat Jenna, and *maybe* Rob. All that "Butch doesn't deserve it stuff" could be misdirection. I tend to think Matt would beat Butch, though.

Aus10

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the only way butch can win the mil is if he wins the final IC and takes Rob with him. I just cannot believe that someone who's watched all the survivors, as apparently Butch has done per an Olney Daily Mail Article) would take Matt or Jenna. He knows Jenna will have the votes w/Alex, Rob, Heidi, and quite possibly Deena (who I see as voting Female anywhich way). He can't beat Matt, who in my opinion, although not my favorite should be the winner.