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Alaginger

Monday, April 28, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay........far fetched, but here goes:
Suppose they have a Q&A, and you get shots based on how many you got right, and some process sets up who goes first, second, third etc. I'm thinking this because Matthew could be eliminated from the IN up front with all the people shooting in front of him, but he and Butch could be the last to shoot and it gets down to only Heidi and Jenna left. Jenna gets her last plate shot out........Heidi gets the immunity (even after being crummny at using a slingshot) and then goes into TC and hands the necklace over to Jenna. This is probably way off base from what happens, but you have to admit it is entertaining if it happened that way.

Hermione69

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a new poll at SurvivorNews.Net that asks "Do you want to know the remaining course of play for Survivor: Amazon right now?"

The results are:
No 39.3%
Yes 60.7%

Normally I wouldn't pay any attention at all to this, but coming on the heels of the cryptic "Seek the truth" post, I wonder if Snewser already knows everything...

Webkitty

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Awwww, Herm, don't be embarrassed that you looked up the Elvish word for truth! I love that about you, that you are a true fantasy geek just like me! lol. (I typed in mellon too) I have my copy of FOTR out and am looking at the pic of the Gate of Moria, and I noitced that there are three stars on each side of the crown, with a star on top of the crown.
I was wondering if this meant there would be a 3-3 tie, and the star on top of the crown signified the "purple rock" LOL!! (talk about a fantasy geek!!)

I think Milkshakey was right, and Heidi gets the boot, I am just trying to figure out who wins the IC (so I can get points in the game, hehe)

Everyone has listed good possibilities. It has to be more than just breaking plates, that wouldn't be fair. Matt would win that hands down. It has to involve answering questions too.

They just had an IC that involved answering questions about themselves, and they already had one involving questions about the Amazon. Maybe the questions this time revolve around the Survivor relatives, since it seems like everyone gets the RC because of Matt's sacrifice. That would put Matt at a disadvantage since it sounds like he doesn't get to go the the feast. But, what if the relatives stay for the IC like they did last season, and somehow they are involved in the IC.
Snewser clue said something about ~if you love them enough~ and silently commune with people, could be that Christy wins the IC because she can give the answers to her friend or relative?
I'm not makeing any sense, more coffee! lo.

Kaili

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the family members are somehow playing the game since they have had to do taht in the past...or playing the game with them. Maybe the family members shatter the plates since they don't know anything about the players or the dynamics of the tribe.

Hermione69

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Snewser clue said something about ~if you love them enough~ and silently commune with people, could be that Christy wins the IC because she can give the answers to her friend or relative?"

and

"Maybe the family members shatter the plates since they don't know anything about the players or the dynamics of the tribe."

That could actually go together! I love it!

Webkitty, I got a kick out of your analysis of the stars in the Gandalf picture. I've been looking for a hidden hint in the picture as well, LOL!

Marej

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does MB and staff read what we say in these sites?
Does CBS have a say in how a episode is aired on any Thursday night? Or does MB have complete control in all things Survivor?

Webkitty

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If you guys want a laugh, go over to Sucks spoiler board, and read the ~Oh Snewser~ thread, its hysterical some of things they are coming up with in reponse to his riddle. He even posted there and with ANOTHER one. It was something like, the truth is visable not invisable (sorry, should have copied it down first)

Someone pointed out that Jenna's favorite movie is LOTR. I was wondering why Snewser put up that pic.

So, love them enough, Jenna's favoite movie, Jenna and Heidi. I didn't think the IN would play a part but I'm starting to wonder if one of them DOES win it, and that is part of the shocking thing.

I just can't see Rob getting voted out next week if he goes along with his new alliance to get rid of one of the girls. Why would they do that? They would want Jenna gone next. I think Christy is the one who gets sick and begs to be voted out. If M/B/R were still ok with each other, they would have a choice of C or J to vote. Even if Jenna won the IC, they could still vote C.
Something must happen THIS episode (maybe at TC) to make M/B turn on Rob NEXT episode.

So, Rob has to pull something that really enrages M/C/B.

Maybe the shocking TC is more than one thing.
Maybe Rob flips and causes a tie with Matt and either Jenna or Heidi. One of them has the IN, and the only way to save the other from the tie is to trade off the IN. They do or they don't. Which would be more shocking? That they didn't "love" each other enough to do it, or they do?

Hermione69

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
His exact words were "The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. But where to look? Where oh where to look??"

He also posted in the Heidi thread and pretended it was a White House Press release and said:

"Milkshaky 'confident' in Heidi Boot: Spokesman

Milkshaky's spokesman has urged people not to "jump around gleefully" because of his failure of late to appear publicly and reiterate his prior assertion about the timing of Heidi's demise.

"Milkshaky would not assert as plainly and bluntly as he has that Heidi is the next voted off if it was not true, and if he did not have a solid basis for saying it," Fleischer said.

"Before people crow about the absence of a Heidi boot in the 11th episode, I suggest they wait until the show is aired.""

Alaginger

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've got a question for myself that I can't answer. Anybody else???

If Heidi wins immunity and at tribal council she elects to keep the IN ........ then there is a tie between Rob and Jenna, can she then say......."Okay, now I want to give my IN to Jenna" thinking she is safe???
I don't think she can once she elects to keep it, but if there is a tie and she decides to try to save her friend, and then gets booted instead.....that would be a real shocker!
Does anybody know if she would get a second chance to give it away if there was a tie?

Maris

Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think so but with the way Mark threw Jenna the consolation letter, it might just happen if Jenna is on the block in a tie. Mark might just do it.

Alaginger

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Regarding Snewsers cryptic remarks, this is what I think:

Snewser: Anything will give up its secrets if you love it enough. Not only have I found that when I talk to the little flower or to the little peanut they will give up their secrets, but I have found that when I silently commune with people they give up their secrets also - if you love them enough.
Ginger: The picture shows the old man with 3 stars on each side of the pattern in front of him, which hints at a tie of 3/3. The words "give up" in the clue hints that somebody gives up the necklace to somebody they love (Heidi to Jenna). And "silently commune with people" in the clue hints to me that Christy reads lips and finds out something she takes back to Matt or Butch, like (1) HJ are going to vote for Rob or (2) Rob is mingling with the girls again, or whatever.

Snewser (words in the hidden box): Interesting response. Spoiling successfully is difficult, isn't it? You can chase a butterfly all over the field and never catch it. But if you sit quietly in the grass it may come and sit on your shoulder. Be patient.
Ginger: I think Snewser is just telling us that he knows the answer and we have to be patient, because at Noon on Thursday he will put the answer in the hidden box for us instead of the message.

So basically, I'm still at a standstill as to what the surprise is at TC, and if it is really Heidi going this week, or Rob. If Rob goes this week, Heidi could get sick and ask to be voted off next week ...... what to do, what to do, what to do???

Essence

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow Ginger...that's all I can say.

Gives me something to think about. Thanks.

Needmylifeback

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if this belongs here...but, I have a question...

Last week Jenna and Heidi (and Alex and Rob...LOL!) didn't 'work' the camp because they felt confident...I just got a suvivor email which says the this week Jenna and Heidi don't "work" because they feel "wronged" or something to that effect....my question is : Why do these two feel a need to have a reason for not working? Or at least feel a need to explain...?

Hermione69

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I think that is a very good question, but I don't have an answer for it, LOL! What exactly do they think they are proving? Because this is different, how????? LOL!

Catfat

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they just don't have enough energy to drag their bones around doing chores? So rather than just admit to being lazy leaches, they invent excuses that (they think) will make them seem not quite so slug-like.
Or maybe these princesses think they are entitled to be waited on and supplied with everything they desire.

Grannyg

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Haved they worked at any point in this game??? Surely I must haved missed it or have forgotten about it, or it was so short I didn't pay attention to it. Seems like to me they slacked the whole time. Remember when the women couldn't even get a shelter built because they were washing their undies?????????

Auntiemike

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Granny: Jenna and Heidi must have felt that "slaving away doing laundry" early on in the game bought them leisure time for the rest of the time!!! They sure do seem to get their priorities mixed up.

Gina8642

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I DO NOT want to be in the position of defending these girls because I find them extremely vapid and annoying. However, I will say that I'm sure at some point they have done some work. It may have been very little work, but they must have done something? Who does the cooking? Who does the water boiling? Who does the fire watch at night? Who does the camp sweeping? (They have to sweep away the ground cover, according the survival guide on CBS.) Who does general upkeep of the shelter? Who does the water filtering?

Other than fishing and wood gathering, we've never been shown any chores being done what-so-ever. (We were shown a very small amount of water collection and filtering way back in the begining, but nothing since - which by the way, Heidi was working on this...) Obviously someone is doing them, but we don't have a clue who that might be at this point in the game. It could be the girls.

Pamy

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just want to say Thanks to all of you that post in this thread! This is the best Survivor ever and this thread has made it even more fun!
I can't wait to see what you all find out today about the Sneezer mystery!!!

Csnog

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mmmmmmm
Watching the fire burn
Watching water boil
Filtering water
Sweeping
Get a tan

Then there is
Chopping wood
Carry the wood
Fish for food
Clean fish
Cook meals

What to do, what to do. Mmmmmmmmmmmm
Sorry but had to have a little fun here. lol

Hermione69

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, that is a good point. One thing it makes me think about however, is why they are being edited this way if they really are helping out. That's a huge reason why I don't think Jenna will ultimately win. Her editing has been atrocious. Surely she has given them more to work with than how she has been portrayed. As much as I dislike Jenna, I know that no one is all good or all bad. She is being portrayed as not only self-centered and unkind, but lazy. As many people disliked Brian, I don't think you could find one who honestly felt he did not deserve the win. We were shown that he did deserve it. Jenna will not evoke that same reaction were she to win. She is not getting much redemption from her editing and their are only 3 shows left. Some people keep saying, "No one liked Kathy, give it time" but even Kathy had a huge fan base by now. It is LATE in the show.

I really want to revisit Chill One's final four, but will have to be later. I am shamefully neglecting work at the moment!

Gina8642

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm I gotta agree that they are showing alot of Jenna's bad bitchy side. No one can be THAT bad 24/7.

Many of the survivors on the African survivor said that Momma Kim was NOT well liked and basically a <>. That wasn't shown at all on the show. She seemed a little distant and cold, but not at all like a total <>. She lost by a landslide. Why didn't they show that side of her? Maybe Ethan was such a great guy, they never had to show how much some disliked Kim?

Loganv

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It think the big surprise at tribal council is that Jeff announces that this week they are allowed to vote out two <ModSD> survivors.

Kaili

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the vote being held up is Heidi's and she voted for someone who is long gone (or the person who has immunity). She isn't the brightest you know...

Webkitty

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is a SPOILER thread, if you just want to make comments about a player, take it to their thread.

Since this is the ONLY thread that tvch allows to discuss SPOILERS in, I get a little twitchy when it gets off track.

FYI for the future, We have a thread in the Survivor section called: ~Questions that don't need a new thread~
If anyone has a general question that doesn't give away a spoiler, that is a good thread to use. Or, you could post your question in the players folder. Hope this helps.


Regarding ChillOne's spoiler and Jenna possibly being the winner.

First, remember that CO's "intel" was a native backwater Amazonian worker; not 007 trained by "Q".
I believe that CO is sincere and was there, and that HE trusts that his intel got it right, but I'M not that sure.

I think Jenna is being edited as the disliked player that everyone wants to take to F2 because they know they can win against them. I think CO's intel either: got that part backwards (that the F2 female was more liked than the F2 male)
OR:
CO's intel got the final 4 mixed up just like he did the first 4, and CHRISTY is the F2 female (who is more liked than the F2 male)