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Gina8642

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not holding any of their statements against them. They are asked a leading question by a producer like 'Do you think Christy's disability will be a weakness for your tribe' or the such. They will then get a least a few sentances from the interviewee mulling over how the disability could be a disadvantage.

They can edit any person to look negative or positive, it is totally the editor's option. Even professional politicians trying to say only positive things, who are incredibly careful with their words can be edited to be put in a negative light.


By the way, I haven't read the whole thread, just this last screen. I liked last night's show. I think it will be interesting with the men versus the women.

The only thing that suprised me last night was how poorly Daniel came off on the show and how well Dave did. I read Daniel's bio and he seemed the most likable guy. Didn't come off that way in person. (He and Ryan came off a bit like Beavis and Butthead.) I did appreciate him owning up to his performance causing the loss of immunity.

Dave just looked like an annoying over achiever in his bio. But he came off much better (he may not in the future, but he looked good this show.)

Another impression - last season, Brian just seemed like an obvious final two from the very beginning to me. I have no 'obvious' vibes this season. Makes it more fun, I think.

Catfat

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am still fussing about Jenna washing their bikini bottoms in the cooking pot. Why couldn't they have used the river? Someone on this list suggested they couldn't because of piranahs, but if that were true, wouldn't they have been able to eat those fish? If nothing else, they could have made soup. And then when Deena and the others came along and said something about who boiled the water, another person told them about the boiled underpants in the cooking pot.
Keeping clean is always an issue, but not at the expense of risking disease by using the cooking pot for washing underwear.

Twiggyish

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's true Catfat. It's disgusting to think about.

Texannie

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Missed that part, why were they boiling their bottoms?

Grooch

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 05:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<I am still fussing about Jenna washing their bikini bottoms in the cooking pot. Why couldn't they have used the river?>>

Someone posted that pirhanas are attracted to blood. This may sound gross, but the only thing I can think of is if they had their periods, maybe that is the safest thing to use to clean their underwear. For all we know they may have been given 2 pots to use. One for cooking and one for hygeine purposes.

I believe this is all editting to make them look bad. There is no way in heck, that they would be boiling their bottoms the first few days while they had so many more important things to do.

And there is no way that I believe the girls that boiled their bottoms in the pot, would want to drink water from it afterwards. This is all editting.

As to the Pirhanas being attracted to blood. I heard Jeff on a radio interview and he said it was very easy to forget you were in the jungle. One of the production people walked into the water and a pirhana attacked his toe and almost took the whole thing off. Jeff said he never forgot to be very careful in the water again. And when you went in the water, you prayed nothing would happen. Don't know if this is true or just hype.

Csnog

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 05:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pirhanas nibble, they dont bite so to speak unless there is a school of them. We were given line strung around a wood board. They are bottom feeders and you better be quick to hook one. We have 3 dried pirhanas at home now. One was given to us by our guide. They do have razzor sharp teeth. The guides told us about the locals we saw in the water. Survivor was filmed on the Negro River not the Amazon River. I am surprised to see that they are not wearing long sleeved clothing which we were told to do. Just brushing up against some plants could be dangerous. I don't know why they would even think to sleep out on the ground. They had 3 days training before the series began filming. I know that it will take them longer to build a shelter than the men but when they do I think it will be better than the mens.

Pamy

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ya know all this time watching this show and I never considered the PMS factor, they are there for over a month so every girl there must have one. That would totally suck! The week before mine my back hurts so bad I can barely move, not to mention my jonesing for Chocolate and salt!

Heyltslori

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL Pamy...you crack me up!!!:)

Mygetaway

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I tried to look at the 'Amazon' section of the CBS/Survivor site last night. Usually you can bring up that section and get info on everything about the area, the plants, animals. etc. It wasn't ready yet.

Csnog

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well if it was me out there I would take birth control pills the entire time. I would also think that the longer you remain without food your body would automatically stop having them.

They need to kill those spiders and use them as bait to catch the fish.

Seamonkey

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 08:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog.. I was going to say the exact thing.. just take birthcontrol pills, or wear a patch, for the whole time..

Those spiders weird me out.

Catfat

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If those spiders were tarantulas (sp) they are not venomous. I was sorry to see the women kill one. Don't spiders, including tarantulas, kill and eat insects?

Caroline

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi, all...

Great to have all women -- you right about the grossness of 'washing the undies'. I wonder, though, if a couple of them are so thin they may no longer have periods. Anyway, if they stayed together longer than a month, they would all be PMSing at the same time since women nearly always become synchronous.

And when are they going to get their shelter up, for heavens sake!

Caroline

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In the meantime, I wonder what type of things they need to resort to eating in order to get some protein until they become a bit more proficient at fishing, assuming fish are truly available.

Seamonkey

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder which animals are off limits.. there seem to be birds, like that egret, and i saw a capybara.. the world's larges rodent, like a giant guinea pig.. that would be like catching a smallish pig.. and they have sloths, which Jeff said was his favorite, and magilla.. and the camens would be dangerous to try to catch.. I doubt that the tarantulas are on the endangered list.. oh and of course there are the large snakes too..

Ark

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They could have roasted that tarantula and eaten him! I thought that using their water to boil the panties was nuts but it didn't gross me out that they will use the same pot for cooking. Boiling water in it will pretty much sanatize the pot.

Catfat

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Have they even tried to eat any of the vegetation? It seems to me they are given books all about the location they will be at, including what's edible. That poi stuff (or whatever it is) will be lots better with some vegetables or leaves or roots or fish or something in it. There HAS to be some kind of marine life in that river, clams, snakes, mollusks, eels. I wonder if they are given salt? That sure would make things tastier.

Lanzee

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 10:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, Hermione!

I am here! Sorry, I was busy with a new job and so tired like a deaf dead rat!!! I will post about the deaf challenage player, Christy Smith, my deaf views and share my deaf life experience with you all trw! So, be bear with me!

I love to say to you, YOU ROCK!!

lanzee \lm/

Hermione69

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoo hoo Lanzee!! (Check your folder! :))

Rslover

Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You go girl(s)! I really am enjoying the new show. The guys were so cocky and full of themselves, and they were not portraying the women too well. So, you knew that the women would probably take it. I give Christy alot of credit. I hope she doesn't get voted out too soon. I like Dave for berating the guys for lying and I really like Jeanne and Joanna. Though, I know it is early in the game, who is everyone rooting for?

Makeitstop

Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought this was the best start to Survivor ever! I loved it, but was really disappointed in the women's lack of shelter in the first few days. Also, didn't it seem weird that that one woman went on and on about how they had no leadership and no one stepped up? Why didn't she do what she saw needed to get done? And you guys are right about menstral blood being an attractant to a large variety of predators (in or out of the water), but I always figured the female survivors skipped a period to avoid the hassle anyway. As far as Christy goes, I'm really rooting for her, too. But, keep in mind that MB is going to manipulate your feelings for her, too. Remember when she stepped into the campsite and they were all walking away from her last night and she just watched them, totally isolated? Remember she could have called out to them "hey, guys, what's up?" just like anyone else. I think her situation will work out just fine.

Lanzee

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, you rock! I am glad that some of you are rooting for Christy Smith! I am enjoying a new show, too! I did watch especially focus on Christy because I wanted to see how she play with her game and interact with other contestants. First of all, I bet she knew that there is a huge disadvantage for her to play that game and she desired to play the game anyway as a deaf player. Congrats for her cuz she finally made it as a Survivor player which her dream came true!
Ok, just remember that she is a young girl and 24 years old. When she and other women stepped out of the boat and all suddenly Christy halted the women and confessed to them that she is deaf and etc in loud and clear. My opinion is that she was too quick to tell them and they felt become overwhelmed to hear that and lost focus their exciting minds. I would hesitate until if the woman asked me who I am. I would say,"My name is Lanzee. I am deaf. It's nice to meet you. What is your name?" That's it. So that way, it would much easier for them to make curious and not feel awkward around a deaf person. I would give them much space and get opportunity to connect to a deaf person well.
Christy was upset and cried that she could not understand them at nites. She felt alone. Well, I understand that. I wish she have to be strong and not to cry. I would not cry if it happened to me. I remembered that I was young and I was like her but today, I don't need it. That's ok and be happy! I don't care about it! LOL!! I think she is a passive girl for now as I hope she have to increase her strength and stand her way later on in the game. I would suggest her to get closer to the fire so she can see and talk with them. Apparently, she did not try that like she can communicate with them like home signs and ask them to talk slow at nites with a little fire. It worked for me with fire, little lamp or little candle. In the very dark, I would touch the person's hands whatever person was trying to tell me like home signs or finger-spelling or sign language so I can understand them. That's cool!
Christy was not enough aggressive to participate with the girls to go out to get food or whatever instead she decided to stay alone. That's embarrassed to me! Duh! I would say with an aggressive attitude to them, "Hey, where are you going? I want to go with you!" Or I would stubborn following them anyway! LOL!! I dislike Heidi's nasty comment about Christy! She said that she can't bond with her because the communication barrier! That's so ridiculous!!!! She CAN bond with her in a different way!!!!!!!!! She's such a loser! She can bond with her like use home signs or work together getting woods or fish or water. Not because she can't talk with her! Come on!! Christy have to work on to win Heidi's heart to see that she can bond with her. Christy has to educate them about deaf culture, language and more. That's reason why Christy is playing the game to promote the awareness of the deaf to them and TV viewers. That's great! I am excited about it so it can help hearing people to understand how they can work with deaf people today. Of course, deaf people like her and me are living in hearing world and be proud of oursevles being a deaf person. I was a guest speaker at college for American Sign Language classes and one hearing person asked me an interesting question, "Will hearing world and deaf world merge together to make a connection successful?" My response was that I wish it is now but I don't know when will it happen maybe next 5, 10 or 20 years. It's important that hearing people need to receive the education about deaf, deaf culture, language. Nowadays, many hearing people are learning sign language, deaf culture and more than ever before. It's kinda slowly but it really shows the great news that the hearing people started to pick it up and etc. That's why Christy is lucky to be a deaf Survivor player!! I am proud of her!

Go, Christy, go!!! Work hard and win!!!

U rock!
Lanzee \lm/

Kaili

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One place in which I think Christy will have problems will be when they go to tribal council...won't it be hard for her when they are sitting side by side (or some possible sitting behind/in front of her). Also- tribal council is not particularly well lit...

Hermione69

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kaili, if she sits on the bottom row so she can lean forward and to see the faces of anyone else in her row and turn backwards to see the people behind her, she will be okay. She won't be able to sit in the back row, I wouldn't think.

I am so happy to have Lanzee here sharing!

For me at work, I tend to volunteer upfront that I am deaf. On the whole, the students usually handle it with more dignity than the adults. I have coworkers that still, after three years of working with me, try to have an oral conversation with me across the room or when my back is turned and who then get exasperated when I have to ask them to repeat themselves!

Helen Keller said that she would rather be blind than deaf because deaf people are treated like a nuisance. I have lived that for 29 of my 33 years. I don't say that to evoke sympathy or tears, but that is just the way it is. People get impatient with me and other deaf people in a way they never would someone who is blind or in a wheelchair.

I have a different perspective on her not joining the women when they were walking off. Unlike Lanzee, who rocks!, I would probably have done the same thing because of that not wanting to feel like a nuisance factor. She doesn't know any of these women yet, has not really bonded with anyone else yet, and when they walked off that time, if she ran after them she could have caused them to feel defensive for not thinking about her which is not good or they could have felt irritated like, "geez, are we always going to have to babysit her?" At the same time, by not reaching out she was isolating herself so she was truly in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I know well that look of indecisiveness that was on her face. I guess she choose to hang back and let the rapport happen naturally instead of forcing the issue and feeling like a burden instead of a help.

Somebody at Blows or Sucks pointed out that after the IC was over, Shawna had her arm around Christy when they were walking away. So the rapport is starting to happen, I think :). The producers probably didn't want to show any of it for the first episode just to create suspense or sympathy. The women are going to see that her hearing loss is not a handicap for their tribe and that the communication issue is not the big deal they are making it out to be.

I also didn't like Heidi or Jenna's comments, but I realize that the confessionals are often baited and I surprisingly have not held that against them (yet!).

Pamy

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just liked Christy, she came across as a good person, I think the others will see that. I bet she makes final 4.

Moondance

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WooHoo Go Christy!!!:)

Car54

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In one of Jeff's interviews he said he and Christy had a signal so that if she could not understand him, she would make a sign and he would repeat.

Yo Lanzee....you rock too girl! Thanks for posting- I really enjoyed reading your post.

Pamy

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Miss Moon!!!! Where have ya been?? Are ya Mrs. Moon now????

Moondance

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lanzee does rock! She taught me to sign Moondance and I do all the time!

Hi MsPamy... no I am just having fun with him:)

Reader234

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I so love this BB!! WTG girls!!!

I just wanted to add to the deaf vs blind conversation...

My great grandma was blind, she lived to be 100, and she learned New York Point (to me it looked like Braille, but she learned before Braille was invented, so she was left out of a lot of publications!)

Anyway, she often commented on how if she had to chose, she was greatful to be blind and not deaf. She was able to 'see' the world around her and comment on it. My fav example, I had long (waist long) hair, and decided to get it cut, and not tell anyone. I walked in the back door (about 25-30 relatives were present) stopped chatted etc... and then grandma yells "Sandy, when are you going to come here and show me your new hair do??" That silenced the crowd, totally, no one noticed (and I had it cut to my shoulders!!)

The point, she was able to adjust to her lifestyle, just as my son (and Lanzee, and Hermione!! :) :)} is trying to adjust to his. I just wanted to share from a blind persons point of view, and her great granddaughters memory of her!!

Peace Out

ROCK ON!!

Pamy

Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Reader...Fredian(sp?) Slip mean anything to ya???
LOL
I am sooo happy for you Moonie, but I still miss seeing you here more often!!!

Kmjm

Monday, February 17, 2003 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been busy since Thursday, and haven't had a chance to post. I missed the first half hour of the show, but I have to say that it was my favourite of all time! I have to think that Jeff deliberately led those guys down the garden path in terms of the questions he asked them. Surely no group of guys could be that dumb- going on about which woman they found the most attractive after just having had their butts kicked by them! They must all be cringing at how idiotic they look! And the bragging- build a cell phone to call their boyfriends- LOL. Sorry guys, but it was so satisfying to see all that sexist garbage and then watch them LOSE- by falling off a balance beam! And Jeff didn't let them get away with the rationalizing, he skewered them right where it hurt.

My nine-year old son stomped off in a huff when the 'boys' lost to the 'girls'. But maybe he learned something from it, eh?

Can anyone tell me just exactly WHAT Ryan meant when he said "Don't hunt what you can't kill?" I haven't a clue what that might mean! Did Ryan think he was so formidable that no one could take him out? Oops, guess he was wrong!

And about Christy- more power to her- I'm looking for her to do really well, although others might not want to go against her in the final two.

Hermione69

Monday, February 17, 2003 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kmjm, I think he probably meant exactly what you guessed... he knew Roger was gunning for him and he thought he had one up on Roger (he thought he had Rob's vote, remember?) and he was wrong!

Hermione69

Monday, February 17, 2003 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops forgot to add that I also don't think anyone will want to go up against Christy in the final 2.

Reader, thanks for sharing that story! Your great-grandmother sounds amazing! How did she do that? WOW!