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Reader234

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione,

Just thought I'd add my perspective (re Mom of hard of hearing son, and teacher who works with deaf and hoh kids!!)

Just as one can tell someone is from Boston, or from the south (vs the "deep south" or for that matter Texan twangs vs Georgian "drawls") I think it is a category of "dielect".

My son is a Sr in high school, and doesnt 'hear' his voice. (can I add here, no one I know likes to hear their own voice!! Not me, and I was surprised when watching Real World Seattle those kids listened to their own audition tapes and had the same reaction "eww is THAT what I really sound like") Where was I??? drifting drifting...

Point: Son heard his voice while watching a school recquired video, "Mom, why didnt you tell me I talk with a lisp? I should be in speech class!!" Well, son, its not a "lisp" actually, and your speech is great! (we've taken him to independent speech people, and his speech doesnt "qualify" for lessons!!)

So anyway, I like that you are all "ON THIS CASE " - lets do it!!

Hermione69

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Reader and everyone. You guys are the best. I sometimes have people comment on the way I talk, usually people who have just met me and the comments that come out of their mouths can just floor me sometimes. It's like, "Hello. Did you even think about what you just said?!" I can feel very self-conscious sometimes about my speech, but I try to roll with it the best I can. When people say insensitive things, I try to remember that it makes them, not me, look bad. Like this guy here. The fact that he used the term "gook-hater" was a worse reflection on him, I thought, than on the people he was describing. Does that make sense?

Hermione69

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One time I met this man at Happy Hour and, as you can imagine, I was having difficulty hearing him and when I explained why, he was like, "Oh, I couldn't handle that," and I was really upset at his reaction. When I told my mom about it, she told me that I should have said, "Yeah? Well, that's okay because I couldn't handle being stupid." ROFL. I have the best Mom. Reader, I bet your son feels the same! :)

Anyway, I am proud to say that I don't even know what "gook" means! I knew it was something ugly and I made an educated guess, but like I said above, it made the author look like a jerk to even use something that is so obviously derogatory slang.

AND he obviously doesn't even watch the show that religiously! How can anyone get Boston Rob and Robb (two Bs!) mixed up?

Hippyt

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely Hermione!!!!!

Moondance

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hippy & Hermi 1

Cartoon Voice!?! WTF!

Tabbyking

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hermi, i had a friend who had put on about 20 extra pounds. about the 20th time i heard her husband 'mentioning' to someone else about her weight, i reminded him, "yeah, she's got a few extra pounds-- but you're ugly and she can diet."

he wasn't ugly, just his attitude, but i got the point across! he quit bugging her, she lost the weight when she got around to it and things are great!

maybe you could tell an unfeeling person, "yeah, i have a hearing problem, but you're ugly, and i can read lips!"

Seamonkey

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wrote to him too.. "Cartoon-voice" my A$$!

Hermione69

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Pamy

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 06:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I too was offended by a lot of what this guy wrote, I am glad you all are complaining to the paper. Let us know if you hear any response.

Jane_Bond

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 06:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The editor (whose email wasn't correct on the website and kept bouncing, hence my writing to the critic, who then forwarded the email appropriately...) replied to me right away.

He expressed regret that I'd been offended but said that the writer in question was not only an award winning journalist but had today been nominated for an award (and therefore not a bad writer as I claimed he was in this article).

He said that I missed the point as the article was a satirical look at Survivor and that, in fact, the writer had been watching "since day one".

the 11 year old is the writer's daughter who has also watched since day one as Survivor is a family affair in that household.

He defended the use of the term gook, saying that since Rudy had used it and worse in his charactarization of gays, the writer was using it to describe Rudy and it was therefore ok.

I wrote back and thanked him and brought up the cartoon voice comment, which I hadn't included in my original email and said that both slanders were irresponsible and had made me and a number of other people uncomfortable when we read the article.

I also pointed out that the Globe's credibility was being questioned far and wide because of the large number of errors appearing in a national acclaimed paper's article.

I told him that the "gook" comment might not have been so awful if it had actually been a direct quote and the errors were ridiculous considering this award winning journalist had access to a fact-checking department.

Oh well, I'd be interested to hear if anyone else gets a response.

Hippyt

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't gotten any response. But,I tell you what,the editor's response you got really angers me!I can guarantee you Frank never used the word gook. And,I could give a rat's butt that he's anaward winning journalist! The article was full of errors and name-calling! What a bunch of bull!

Hippyt

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK,well,I went back and sent an email to the address you used Jane. I was calm,and thorough in my trashing of the article. Let's see what he says to me.

Tabbyking

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
did you tell him his writer's daughter stays up too late?!

Hermione69

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
THAT was supposed to be a satirical article? IMHO, the man needs a crash course in satire. Maybe he should go read "A Modest Proposal" by Jonathan Swift. That's good satire.

Oh well, thanks for the updates. You guys kick butt! :)

Hippyt

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 07:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL,Tabby,no I did not. Boy,they respond fast though,the editor already wrote me back and said he forwarded the email to the proper person!
Hermi,I said in the e-mail,'I realize Mr. Makin was trying to be funny,he failed miserably!' HAHAHAHAHA

Twiggyish

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 08:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't see his humor either.

I think Christy has an amazing voice. She sounds great. There is barely any difference in her voice from the others.

Melgal

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not a comment about the article, just a different perspective.

Kirk Makin wrote a book about 10 years ago titled 'Redrum: The Innocent'. When I read the book, I thought it was a very detailed, informative opinion about the murder of a local child, Christine Jessop in 1984, and the subsequent conviction of her next door neighbour Guy Paul Morin - who spent several years in jail before DNA proved he infact didn't murder Christine. To date, this crime has remained unsolved and the author offered different perspectives about possible suspects. It also highlights the challanges (yes, I'm trying to be PC) with the Canadian legal system. If you ever get the opportunity to read this book, and are interested in 'True Crime', this is a very good read.

Anyhow, I realize this doesn't have any relevance to the topic, I just recognized the name of the reporter and thought I'd add some insight into his background.

I have absolutely no other reference of this reporters work but for the once mentioned in this topic, and the one I mention in my post - I don't know which is the anomaly...

Going back to lurk mode now...

Hermione69

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 06:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Melgal, it is always nice to have more information. Keep posting!

Tabbyking

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it's good to hear Makin can write seriously, although the 'redrum' puts me in mind of stephen king's "the shining". Makin should maybe stick to true-crime writing, because it sounds as if he is good with it; he seems to be a 'facts' person, which some authors put together very well (i.e., ann rule). he just didn't have all his facts lined up when he wrote the survivor article and some of the comments were downright racist, nasty and rude.
thanks for the info, melgal.

Pamy

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for all the info everyone. I was a little confused with the slang word 'gook'. I thought that was a slang for oriental people(steaming from the Vietnam war). I have never heard of it used as slang for a gay person.

Jane_Bond

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
NO, it is slang for oriental (particularily Vietnamese) stemming from the US-Vietnam war.

Rudy apparently ASLO made horrid comments regarding gays...

At the bottom of this article by Makin is notes that he is normally the Justice writer at the Globe. I agree with all that he should stick to that.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Welcome Melgal, you don't need to lurk..an excellent post.

Hippyt

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last night I got the e-mail saying my message had been sent to the appropriate editor. Apparently the editor doesn't want to talk to me,he still hasn't returned my e-mail.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You go Hippy! Keep us posted.