Archive through May 12, 2003
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Maris | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 12:47 pm     I am fascinated at how angry people are over Jenna winning. It seems to be ok for a shallow male to win survivor but females somehow must be morally and ethically above all else before they are entitled to be winners and of course they cannot be young or pretty because then that seals it for them to be undeserving of the million bucks. I think Alex isn't the only one with sour grapes over this year's winner. |
Missapril | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 12:51 pm     <removed for bashing and baiting...sd> |
Seamonkey | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 12:57 pm     No way should the public vote. And the jury has the power, so Jenna is the winner. I don't understand why Jenna should be disqualified because of decisions made by Jeff. However I don't understand why they think Rob would have won for playing a good game, but Matt got only one vote and he played a good game too (IMO). It could be that Jenna was universally loved, but I think it was more of a backlash against the real power that Matt had. Yes, Jenna won more competitions but at LEAST two were thrown by Matt. And Matt kept Rob in the game by throwing a competition to him (be he doesn't remember that). And then there is the matter of grace.. this morning when the three guys were asked if Jenna should be the winner, Matt very graciously said yes.. Rob said NO, should have been mememe and Butch stood by his friend and his vote, said it was nothing against Jenna, but Matt should have won. I think Deena's hang up with "may the best man win" holds no water when she says "whatever it takes" in regard to Jenna using looks and sex appeal.. how is that not chauvenistic? And, anyone who didn't watch the reunion, but taped it.. I think it is worth watching. |
Happymom | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:20 pm     It seemed Deena was a bit touchy during that last TC, "may the best man win" is a common saying in today's society like it or not. Many, many people say this and actually mean may the best person win. I sure hope she didn't base her vote on that. Out of all the things she could've asked/commented on, that was what she picked. That just doesn't sit well with me. |
Crazydog | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:24 pm     I agree Happymom, but I don't think it would have mattered. I think Deena would have voted for any woman over any man. Doesn't matter who they would have been, the only distinction she seems to have made is male vs. female. But I suppose that was part of the point of splitting the tribes up as male/female. To see if some of them would vote along gender lines. And in the end, Deena proved the point that at least one of them would. |
Maris | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:43 pm     I agree Crazy dog, For Deena it was all about male vs. female. If it had been Heidi, she would have voted for her. |
Wendo | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:46 pm     Like Maris, I'm amazed at the anger and vitriol over Jenna's win. It truly is fascinating. I was hoping Rob would win, but he was voted out. It happens. But, I'm not pissed off that Jenna won. In fact, I'm happy for her. Quite an accomplishment. Additionally, I'm amazed that some will not continue to watch Survivor because Jenna won. I mean, wasn't this years show enjoyable to watch? I just can't believe people would stop watching a good show just because the winner this time around wasn't who they wanted to win. |
Squaredsc | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:46 pm     first flo, now this. i just hope s7 is as entertaining as this season was, even though we know a man will win that one. matt is still hot. |
Maris | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 01:49 pm     To me this was the best Survivor of all. It was pure entertainment. I love the way each show is different. This morning Mark Burnett said next survivor is in Panama and will have a "pirate" theme. Wonder what that is about. |
Llkoolaid | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:05 pm     I think this was the best survivor next to the first one. All that was missing was the Sue rant which I thought we might get with Deena or Christy but they didn't have the "balls". I wanted Matt to win because of all the crap Rob did to him and because of the way they all laughed at him behind his back, and they were pretty much all guilty of it except for Butch. It would have been so nice to see him beat all these people, but he didn't they got him in the end. Oh well, too bad, but I will look forward to the next one. |
Maris | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:12 pm     I think Matt orchestrated a lot of the perceptions about him and promoted the idea that he may be crazy. He told Rob all the time that he was clueless and acted like he wasnt the brightest bulb when it came to playin the game. Yet he won all the right challenges and made some pretty big gambles on throwing challenges. But the challenges he threw, somehow he seemed to have a pretty good read on all the other players. I think he outplayed Rob in the end. Matt was pretty savvy and managed to put himself under the radar in terms of being a threat. The only person that regarded him as a threat was Alex. Alex and Dave were too busy demonstrating their strengths that they were an obvious threat to the other survivors. Matt on the other hand promoted an image of someone that couldnt possibly go to the end because he was crazy or clueless. I think he is probably the only one who didnt let his ego get in the way of the game and that is why he got to the final two. |
Crazydog | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:19 pm     I agree Maris that he made himself look like he was not a threat by appearing to be slightly crazy. But that is a good strategy for getting to the final two, but not for winning the game. By acting like he was clueless, perhaps some of the voters thought he was undeserving, and that it was Rob who got him as far as he did. Maybe he should have clarified that and told them exactly what he had done to get to the point he did. What he needed was to go against someone who was possibly more disliked, and that would have been Rob. I think Matthew really erred by not trying harder to win the final immunity. It looked like he did a Richard Hatch and purposely gave up. He probably thought that both Rob (because of his alliance) and Jenna (because he knew everyone thought he was crazy and thus easy to win over) would take him to the finals. What he needed was to win and take Rob with him. I think some of the voters would have respected that. |
Beachcomber88 | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:21 pm     I think Survivor has shown once again why it is still the King of the Jungle when it comes to reality tv. I also thinks this was one of the best Survivors yet. A memorable winner - Jenna coming out of nowhere in the last few episodes to snatch the win. A memorable "should have won" - Rob and Richard Hatch in the same camp would be interesting to watch. Like two masterminds at a chessboard. And a memorable "Are you for real?" - Heidi and her athleticism, high IQ, and constant seeking of attention was hilarious to watch. She will definitely not be forgotten soon. Even though it's the same formula, MB always finds a way to change things up to keep us interested. This show, after it's sixth run, is still captivating us all. This is in stark contrast to ABC's quickly fading and tiring Bachelor, which irritates me more and more every time I watch. I've long since tired of NBC's Fear Factor. Fox's AI is still fresh enough to keep me watching. And I am a HUGE fan of CBS's The Amazing Race. But Survivor is king, and - at least for the immediate future - looks to have no challengers. |
Beachcomber88 | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:30 pm     Agreed, Crazydog. I think however that if Rob made it to the final two that he would have been crowned the winner. Just like last year when Brian made it to the final two, he was rewarded for playing the game well - even if he wasn't very liked because of all the backstabbing that he did. I think the same thing would have applied to Rob, as it also applied to Richard. Jenna chose wisely in deciding to eliminate Rob. It didn't seem like she was choosing the "easy" opponent in the very disliked Rob, even though in reality Matt may have been the easier opponent because of his lack of support. |
Snee | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:47 pm     honesty and integrity. feh. |
Allietex | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 03:14 pm     Some people are disappointed at Rob voting against Matt, because he did not show loyalty. Well think about it. They had an agreement to take each other to the final two, but Matt threw the last Immunity challenge. He did not even make a good showing, he was so afraid one of the others might step off before him. He wanted one of them to make the decision so he did not have to. Rob is not an idiot. He could tell Matt threw the challenge. It was so obvious. I am sure he felt that Matt had betrayed him by not even trying. It left him vunerable, and sure enough it got him voted out. Where was Matt's loyalty? I think that is why Rob tried to make a deal with Jenna. He felt Matt had dumped him, so he owed him no more loyalty. If he had been in the last two, he would have gotten the one hundred thousand dollars. That is a big chunck of cash. I don't blame Rob at all. |
Tabbyking | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:31 pm     i think from now on, i will watch survivor up until the final 4 and then turn it off! that way i won't be disappointed with the winner. (who will be male next time!!) i am only going to apply on even numbered survivors, as the gals win those. LOL |
Csnog | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:44 pm     No male could win the balance comp. MB wanted a female in final 2. If the boards were different sizes to account for the larger male feet they may have had a chance. Rob earned 90k |
Allietex | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:48 pm     But at the time Rob got voted off, he still had a chance to win a million dollars. |
Gina8642 | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:53 pm     I don't think I'm 'pissed' that Jenna won, and I haven't seen that opinion put forth much at this site either. Am I disappointed? Yes. But that is life. The editing really made Jenna out to be a not very nice person. And I really hate to see behaviour like that rewarded. I think we missed something (in the editing). Even so, I always liked Jenna better than Heidi. I always felt she was immature, but had the ability to grow into a better person. I sencerely hope the best for her. By the way, I swear I heard (I think) the quote that got Deena so upset. Matt said 'Let the best man - - go to final 3(or was it final 2?).' He was refering to what the vote would be. Jenna obviously was going forward because she had IMMUNITY. Deena was looking for a boogie man to get mad at. Totally reminded me of the Ted from last season going after Clay. He was looking for his buttons to be pressed. |
Spygirl | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:45 pm     You are totally right, Gina. He was not referring to the game, he was referring to the outcome of the vote. It was said at the time that Jenna was going to vote and was not in any context related to the outcome of the overall game. I can't believe Deena missed that so totally. |
Moondance | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:06 pm     I just want to say I LOVE Survivor ... my favorite didn't win or the one I thought deserved it ... never does but I tell you, I wouldn't miss a season. I am so thankful there are people that will go through this experience for my TV enjoyment Now if MB would just friggin put me on the show!!! PLEASE! I will play hard and the words integrity and honesty won't cross my lips!  |
Snee | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:09 pm     go moonie! (and if you need to say the 'i' and the 'h' words then go ahead...but you don't need to actually live them to get my vote!) |
Moondance | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:10 pm     Thanks Snee! Oh MB where are you???????? |
Donut | Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:18 pm     i couldnt watch last nite, and cant believe i stayed in suspense for 24 hours to wait to see a tape of this i think that there is something to Jeff helping Jenna. My hubby says that Probst also said "Jenna, youre getting warm" in the maze.If thats not coaching, then what is it? i know they were going for a girl. It has been boy girl boy girl with no exceptions, unless i am forgetting one..and the car winner never wins the game.. I think that Matt devastatingly missed presenting himself to the jury in the way that we all saw him.. He presented himself in such wrong light.. I cant help but think that they are coached on how to handle the last tribal council and that he was given misguided advice.. and i am not even sure if it's editing... I just think that the juries always vote for really misguided reasons. they always seem to go for who they think played the outwit thing the best. it must get drummed into their head.. I dont think that vacepia or jenna or richard or brian were edited to look bad.. no editing couldve turned them into likeable "deserve to win" people I think the juries are just guided into what they are supposed to be voting for, and it is never what we would vote for. we know they are coached by mr B. Didnt one of the ex survivors talk about it? Jeff completely creates the direction and sentiment each tribal council. It sounds just like tapes have been reviewed and Jeff is put in there to create the script. i still cant figure out how ethan won.. i guess he was just soo good and honest that everyone was baffled and decided to let him win as an anomaly.. christy.. christy...christy...shame shame.. this was a rant thread, right? |
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