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Webkitty

Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, that would be the prudent thing to do. I am still thinking about that comment Dan made regarding Roger and how the women wouldn't put up with his bossiness when the tribes merged.
This makes me think that the pre-jury boots were all together. Why are we talking about this again? lol

I just saw that post in ChillOne's thread

Csnog

Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We were in the Amazon from Feb. 1 to the 15th.

It is an amazing place. The Amazon river is brown but the Rio Negro where they are is a black river.

We went to the hotel on a day trip but I couldn't find anyone to talk to me about it. They were all hush hush on the subject.

I believe CO got his info from the person that they leased the property from.

I didn't see any yachts on the river, only river boats but they have cabins. There could have been one but I didn't see one even in Manaus.

They may have had the loosers lodge at Manaus.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Car.. please go read your folder :)

Clp

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 12:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK - I was thinking - that news article about how CBS employees have been betting on the F2 since Marquesas, did anyone else think maybe we just found out who TDT's source was for the Thailand F2 spoiler? Anyone?

Fruitbat

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 04:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Car. Matt could win with the played a good game vote too. He was odd man out since day one and survived.

Car54

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog, that is so cool! Were you at the same hotel? Did they have that plaque up with the crew names and stuff that CO showed pictures of?

Clp, that is a definite possibility since TDT had the info so early and was so definite.

I think Matt is staying totally out of all the plotting- he is voting however the others plan just to look like a follower, and that way he won't have the blame with the bootee.

Jeep

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's a possibility I haven't read yet......last tribal council Heidi really spilled the beans and the guys start to wise up. Deena is livid and wants Heidi voted out next to avoid another "big mouth" slip. However, Jenna wants no part of voting out Heidi. Jenna wins immunity and gives it to Heidi. Jenna votes Deena as do the men who have "seen the light". Deena is the most dangerout woman re: challenges so she gets the boot and not Jenna.

Does that make sense. I can see Deena being upset at Heidi, but what about Jenna winning immunity? This scenario would really make for a lively tribal council, too.

Alaginger

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeep......I can't see that happening in Episode 9 because there is no way Jenna would eat more insects than Matthew, Butch, Alex or even Deena herself. But, I do not think it is beyond Jenna to go running around naked on an agreement to win a vote away from Heidi and put it on somebody else.

Csnog

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 07:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The plaque at the Ariau Tower was covered but pointed out to me. It seems that information had been leaked and that's why they covered it. Thats the only info I got from a bartender other than they leased the property where the filming was done and also the entire hotel was leased for 2 months.

Our boat guide knew about the filming but had no information other than it was all a secret.

I only had 3 hours at the hotel so not enough time.

There are several nice hotels (the Tropical for one) at Manaus where the non jurors could have stayed and they could have kept them busy. Lots to see in the area.

Car54

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog, this is so cool that you were there right after the show! It must make watching the show so special. Dang...are you sure you aren't ChillOne? You'd tell us wouldn't you?

Jeep

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 07:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I see your point Alaginger, but I don't want to underestimate anyone. If she's got the right motivation, she could do it. And I feel Heidi's in the middle of all this somehow. I'm probably way off track this week, but we will see tonight. Now, just how to vote????

Webkitty

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My gut is telling me Jeep is on to something. I think something strange happens tonight if Deena gets the boot.
Jeep, I posted something similar regarding Heidi being in danger wayyyy up thread a few days ago.
It is one of the CBS clues for this week.
I can see Jenna giving her necklase to save Heidi.
I can also see the irony in Jenna eating all the bugs because of the ice cream debacle, and the irony that Deena gets the boot because of it. I can also see Jenna flockling topless next episode because Heidi didn't get voted out.

I have been thinking about Matt throwing a competition too. Jeff said he didn't know how to play the game of Survivor and this is sending a big red flag to me that he doesn't win immunity. Together with the CBS clue about him convinced he needs to throw a challenge, something tells me he does. The only thing that is bothering me is that I can't see how he wouldn't get the boot this week if he loses. I would think everyone would be on the same page with a Matt boot, unless Heidi or Jenna is in danger and their alliance and friendship is threatened and they make a bold move.

I also thought of a scenario where Christy could be in danger and Heidi and Jenna make a move to save her. Its too long to go into right now, but it could happen. If this scenario does occur, then it could explain why Heidi ended up hating Christy. If Heidi has something to do with saving her this week, and Christy (for whatever reason) doesn't return the favor down the line, she could feel resentment.

Jeep

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WK, I think Matt is in line to be booted, but because of the "Heidi mouth" at tribal council, Deena wants to change to boot her instead. Then Jenna instigates a revolt against Deena to protect her friend. I think the men would go right along with a Deena boot because she is so strong and a threat. This saves Matt and he can go on an immunity run from now on to get to the final two.

Webkitty

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeep, I agree something along those lines will happen. So, does Matt win immunity this week? My head is foggy today of all days (didn't sleep well) Help me out, if the musings of Jeff turns out to be true, and there is a 5-3 to 4-4 vote at TC, who is it?

If Matt does not win immunity, I think he would get the boot, even if there is someone else in mind. Everyone would be on the same page to boot him. So, he must win, causing the alternate to be in danger. Heidi must be the target, but who besides Heidi and Jenna would vote for Deena? Rob if he gets mad at her, (and I think he will) who is the fourth? Christy?

Webkitty

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeff said in his radio interview this week that flying under the radar is very risky right now.
That makes me think Matt will not win the IC. He is convinced he needs to throw a challenge to get back under the radar. Jeff mentioned Christy and Butch with that statement but not Matt.

Maybe Christy is the one in danger. Maybe if Matt and Christy win the RC, and go off on their reward, Chrisy's name comes up as an alternate to Matt's if he doesn't win immuinty. Because she is the weakest link in the chain. Maybe he doesn't win it, but Jenna and especially Heidi realize Deena is not about the girls alliance, and decide to take her out instead. So, the votes are for Matt and Deena. At the last minute, Rob gets ticked at Deena, and causes a tie. Deena gets the rock, and Heidi feels Christy owes her one.
Thus, causing Heidi to have hard feelings toward her later and the rumors of that.

Who wins immunity in this case?

Car54

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do not think Matt is anywhere near being the next on the boot list. I think Butch would be next. He is the last of Roger's guys. Matt has voted the party line, is a provider of food...is slightly creepy, but Rob believes he has him totally under control. If he wins the RC, he is going to make a new friend, and I think maybe that friend is the one who helps him see that the IC/RC is a tricky/dangerous situation.

Heidi spilled the beans. If Alex or Rob have a clue, they are going to attempt to pull Butch and Matt together to form a last stand against the girls, and Deena is the first to go, simply because she is the smartest- could easily be Heidi because she is annoying...the part that makes me question that is the fact that Dave really liked her. She annoys us, but is that as much a deal within the tribe, or does she keep her true self for one on one with Jenna or with the camera?
Could be either one, then tie, then purple rock.

I still think the guys gang up against the girls, there is a tie, and a surprise. Now who the male pick is- that is the deal. I think somehow the girls realize what is happening and their pick is Rob making it Rob vs Deena.

I don't think Matt is on the horizon...eating bugs only comes up once...so if he wins, it is not a sign of any coming trend. I think he and his new friend decide not to try for IC, but to keep low, and that is all.

The fun thing is, it really doesn't matter who goes except in how it impacts the jury- who goes and how mad are they. Dave left with almost no animosity...he is a perfect jury member...he can be won over. If someone is holding a grudge, you lose them for sure. Heidi goes in 3 days. Yay...can't wait for her Early Show and chat...the questions are gonna be fun.

Grooch

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think whatever happens tonight won't be as interesting as any of our theories. lol!

Webkitty

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't see Butch being in danger. Deena wants the immunity threats off first, and Butch has been voting as he is told to. He is low on the totem pole right now.

I still think Matt is the number one target this week, but I'm not so sure he stays because he wins immunity. I remember reading about an interview Jeff had with Regis and Kelly (I think) where he was asked about Matt, and he just shook his head and said: Matt, Matt Matt.
Jeff has also said that Matt didn't know how to play the game of Survivor.
Jeff also said that flying under the radar is risky right now. Matt is planning on doing that. All these clues tell me he does not win immmuity, but is saved by the skin of his teeth at a last minute revolt against Deena and the purple rock.

This stil doesn't tell me who DOES win immunity, ack.

Grooch

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still think Matt wins immunity, Ms. Kitty.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just saying thanks for all the spoiling, Grooch you are right it probably won't be nearly as interesting as the spoiling.

The only problem I have is that I don't know which one of you guys to agree with. One of you will post and I am " oh yeah that is it", then an opposing view and I am all for that. I am voting Deena gone in one game, Alex in another and Matt in another. I gotta be right somewhere.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Unless it is Rob or Heidi!!!!!!!!!!!

Grooch

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, LL!

Webkitty

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LL, I have the same problem too when I am cruising around the spoiler boards, everyone seems to make sense! lol

Ok, if Matt wins immunity, then who is the other person that causes a tie with Deena? IF there is a tie tonight, it means TWO people are being voted for.
I suppose that Deena going tonight would be a shock to the general viewing audience, so it really doesn't matter who she is up against.
It could be anyone.

I can't think, I am going to take a long hot shower, be back later. Carry on!

Car54

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch it never is....those dumb ol survivors should listen to US.

Butch is on the list because of Pagong. Heidi told us that thinking still exists.

The thing I love is, we can speculate all week, and settle on some options, then in the first minute of the show, they can blow us all away.

It was that way in the Roger episode. Convention wisdom had some logical theories, and in the first thirty seconds of the episode, you could see Roger was doomed. That happened in Marquesas with the Gabe boot. Gabe was no where on the list, and he opened his mouth at the start of the show, and you just KNEW.

Love it.

Squaredsc

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree with everything everyone has said.