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Catfat

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Since no one asked, here is my opinion on nudity on this show and other places.

I am an artist, a figure painter, and every week I and several other artists gather at a large empty building, hire a nude model and paint away. We don't give it a second thought.

Athletes and soldiers shower together (nude, of course) and don't give it a second thought.

People on beaches are often-times nude or nearly nude and don't give it a second thought.

ALL THESE ARE APPROPRIATE OCCASIONS FOR NUDITY.

What is not appropriate is for a school teacher to strip off her underwear on National television in order to distract the men, hoping it would advance her in a game. It was not just being nude that was so offensive, it was the fact that she was making an attempt to use her body to make money and to advance her position. This is not a comment on Heidi's unattractive body, that is another issue altogether.

I'm not sure if this needs a new thread, but couldn't seem to fit it in anyplace else.

Moondance

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What's your opinion Catfat and how do you really feel?

Catfat

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you for asking, Moondance! ;-D

Appletalk

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yahoo Catfat you hit it exactly right. My mom always used to say - It's not what you say or do but how say or do something. These two females made a demeaning statement. IMHO.

Grannyg

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My Dad always said "If it ain't for sale, don't advertise it"!!

Catfat

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you for your nice comment, Apple. Sometimes I get it right.

(Catfat smiles in self-congratulation. Purrr)

Moondance

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope you didn't think I was being anything but fun... I enjoy all of your posts Catfat!

Seamonkey

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In absolute agreement, Catfat..

Sherbabe

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I find funny is, neither girl had to strip, right? All they had to do was jump off the log for the chocolate/peanut butter. So they really did that for nothing, right?

Neko

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Am I the only one who noticed that one of them said something like, "I would strip for some peanut butter.."

And then, the cookies and PB were there and ready for them to strip for it.

Now, if that's true, and I didn't imagine it all in my head.
I would have said, "I will leave the compition for PB and cookies."

OR, sincec I had stripped for my cookies and PB, I'll get them after I leave the game.

It seems to me, they could have done either choice, and gotten a better deal out of it.

But onto Heidi stripping on National TV, I think she should have been thinking about the students she teaches before she had done that.
I'm just happy I don't have her for a teacher or I might be alot more self-consious about myself than I need to be.

Car54

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Supposedly they had been saying that for a while...not just at the competition. I imagine Jeff had the cookies and peanut butter just like he had spaghetti and meatballs...but then the opportunity presented itself and he took it.

I hated PE already..I would have hated it more if my teacher got naked on TV.

Grannyg

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read somewhere that CO prediction that someone was talked into getting more active after they were promised something. Where ever I read that they say the stripping is CO prediction. That Jenna had not been as open as Shawna and Heidi and after Shawna left they needed Jenna to get more involved. So maybe there was talk about them stripping before we were actually shown the video of them stripping. FWIW

Car54

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup, I think there was something we did not see happening off camera.

Supposedly the naked girl was promised that someone would not be voted off at the next TC...kind of hard to see who Heidi or Jenna would have been protecting and neither of them seemed to be in danger. I haven't been able to see how the producers could make that kind of deal tho, since they supposedly have no control over who is voted when.

Still...it was stupid of them to do it.

Pagal

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What does "CO" mean?

Webkitty

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted this in another thread, but can't remember where, so I'll post it again.

Jenna and Heidi were show on last weeks show, saying that they had been telling Jeff since day two that they were craving peanut butter, and would strip for it if they got a chance.
They did not take off their clothes to advance themselves in the game, or to distract the other players, they did it for peanut butter and chocolate, end of story. They confirmed this again at TC, that it was worth taking the risk of getting voted off for peanut butter and chocolate. (do you guys watch the show? lol)
I am not condoning it, just clearing up some facts.

ChillOne did predict this.
You can go to the ChillOne thread here in the Survivor area and read all about it.

From his spoiler, it sounds like Jenna was taking a back seat in the turmoil after the swap, and SEG wanted to see her interact more on the show. She agreed to do it if Heidi didn't get voted off by the new Tambaqui. She didn't, there was a merge, Jeff, Heidi and Jenna agreed on it beforhand, and and he was ready with the goods.
This last part is just my take, and like I said, I'm not condoning or trying to excuse the behavior, just FYIing

Webkitty

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pagal, CO is short for ChillOne, the poster who broke the big spoiler of this season over at Survior Sucks spoiler board.

Car54

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But they merged when expected, and even if they hadn't, Heidi was not next in line either with or without a merge...so why bother.

There is also the part where ChillOne admits that if his source was talking about Jenna he would have called her by name since he used her name in other spoilers.

If the scenario was as described..and Jenna wins MB would be open for some serious charges of manipulation.

I think the issue is...the girls were goofing about this...the producers knew they had been goofing on it...Jeff saw his moment and went for it. They bit...literally and figuratively.

Hermione69

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Chill One did say that he didn't think Naked Jungle Girl and the F2 girl were the same person, didn't he? I forgot about that, thanks Car.

D@MN the addictiveness of this board! I need to take care of my twitchy eye!!!!!!!

Catfat

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In my opinion, the issue is whether a school teacher should drop her drawers on national TV, whatever the reason. I used to be a teacher (and was very imperfect, I might add) but it has always been understood that teachers are to hold themselves to a higher standard of morals and behavior, to be role models for children.

I don't feel as strongly against Jenna, she is a swimsuit model and I think she is using her good looks in a reasonable way to make a living.

P.S. Moondance--I knew your jokes were in fun. (smile) I can't cut and paste a smiley face--computer challenged, you know. Sigh

Pagal

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Ms. Kitty! If I had thought about it hard enough I probably would have figured it out. LOL

Car54

Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it looks like Heidi is losing her job...albeit due to budget, not her conduct, so the point is probably moot.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do we really know if they exposed their lower body? They had shorts on and it seems likely that a bathing suit bottom or panties were underneath. They fuzzed both areas for the effect is my guess. I am waiting for that to come out.

It makes no difference to me. I hated PE and would have loved my teacher more had she done this. Just saying.

Appletalk

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
IMHO - For whatever reason they stripped I think it was demeaning and wrong. Notice that Butch a principal said 'students notice I am not looking' he obviously thought about the ramifications. I would not want someone of what I believe Heidis moral character to be influencing a child of mine.

Brenda1966

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with Neko and others on this: they didn't need to strip for the food if they were going to jump in the water and exit the game! They thought they were being so clever, but they were just being stupid. If they were clever they would have "won" the PB and still stayed in the game as long as possible.

I can't wait to see Heidi do damage control interviews after she's booted. Her strategy appears to be: become the most wild, hot, naked girl ever on Survivor. The thought of her teaching children makes me unhappy.

Kaili

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It isn't just the stripping- it's their whole openly sexual attutude. I don't have a problem with women being sexual or being proud of their bodies, etc. *but* I do think it is wrong when you are in a position of authority and influence over kids to behave in that manner. I would guess that some of the boys at Heidi's school already have a crush on her- I'm sure they are all talking about their wold teacher and actually probably think she is pretty cool. But their parents as well as the other teachers- probably have to discuss this with them now and they should not have been pit in the position.

A professor in one of my education classes told the class taht we have to be very careful how we behave in public because of parents as well as students. She said more or less that if you are out at a bar or a resturant or bowling ally or wherever and are drunk, acting wild, etc- and a parent or student recognizes you- it's not a good impression to make. Heidi's behavior, in my opinion, fits into this category. It's inappropriate because of her job and the higher expectations put on anyone in the teaching profession.

I can only imagine what I would have said about my teachers if I saw them doing anything like that.

In Jenna's case, yeah, it's a bit less "wrong" because her job is body based and nobody will think as much of it (except maybe her family, and even then maybe not because they probably know her well enough to know how she is).

In both cases, it was unnecessary and, I think, rather trashy of CBS. It's all about the fact that they did not have to do it to get the food. They did it cause they wanted to and they even said it was worth it because it was "fun". I think of it more as exploitation, but whatever. Jenna seemed to sort of push Heidi (like a ringleader) when she toild her to take her pamts off.

Max

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For me, Heidi's stripping was just icing on the cake of behaviour that I wouldn't want to see in a teacher. IMHO, she has some said many things on the show that make me think she is a very poor role model for young girls.

And, yes, they stripped for no apparent game-related reason. There was nothing for them to gain by doing it the way they did.

And I agree that it was trashy on the part of CBS. It was almost like they did it for the benefit of the cameras/ratings than anything about the game itself. I'm sure the producers were quite pleased.

As for Jenna's participation, it was equally silly and unnecessary but I agree with Kaili, she doesn't have a job where she's expected to be a role model for young girls. She's a model. Different standard. Equally trashy, but different, if that makes sense! :)

I do have to wonder what the full event was like before the editing, though.

Catfat

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 09:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm off to have fun tomorrow, cavorting with nekkid folk. Well---actually, drawing class and there is only one nude person, the model. This time it is an old, old man who does handstands. Sigh. Some times you win, sometimes you lose.

Sia

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 11:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Without sounding like a freak, has anyone posted a link to screen caps of the girls in their birthday suits? I missed all but the last 15 minutes of the show and want to see the skinny bag of bones that Heidi's so proud of! Thanks.

Max

Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All they showed was flesh-colored blurs. Nothing even close to being interesting. :)

Riviere

Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 02:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who wants to see nude stick-figures anyway? Oh, I forgot, Heidi and Jenna, the self proclaimed young cute girls! Must be why the guys quickly decided to vote off a gal, but the women with honorary woman Rob decided otherwise.. That guy and his whining is as bad as the women toying him along.. I now hope anyone but Heidi or Jenna wins for showing their emaciated bods thinking it was a turn on..

Sia

Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 04:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Riviere, I admit it: I wanted to see the nude stick-figures, hoping it would make me feel better about myself.