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Squaredsc

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
heezy.

Weenerlobo

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"If you're on a diet, don't go to the bakery."

LOL - NOW I know what I've been doing wrong!

lol

Seamonkey

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I come to this thread TO BE SPOILED. If I didn't want to know ahead of time what happened, I would stay away, and this thread is here "permanently" which chat is not.. meaning I could come here after the show ends on east coast and still get the details.

And I can't imagine that people would not continue to discuss the show after it is over and speculation is part of that. Maybe they can move over to the spoiling thread, but sometimes that won't happeyn

I'm with Car.. while I don't purposely go and spoil and speculate all over the board, it does happen and if you want to be unspoiled, why come to the boards?

Some people seem to want something from others, but then want to micro-manage what those people can discuss.. I really appreciate the people who take the time to research, discuss, report, etc., and if I learn something I didn't want to know, well, that's on me. I think snarking at those who provide info is counter-productive, biting the hand that feeds you, and all that..

I didn't know this thread was restricted in any way.. the non-spoiler thread was set up because spoiling happens all over, right??

I agree that some rules may be not so hard to follow, but if someone forgets, for heaven's sake, just live with it. This is a game, television, not life or death, right???

So I agree, bite Moonie :)
or bite me.. whatever.

Wiseolowl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Everybody is really getting upset about this - maybe I just want to be naive , but I just don't pay attention to spoilers - because I havent't been persuaded - because I haven't takenthe time to see if they are right or not - but just how accurate have these spoilers been -seriously - is there some spoiler out there that has gotten it right every week? If so where is it - sorry this queery is from somebody who doesn't have the time or intellectual discipline to disect every post that comes on this and all the other boards.

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"If you're on a diet, don't go to the bakery."

The problem is when you go to the deli and order a sandwhich based on what the menu lists, and you find out when they bring the food that they are serving you cake instead. That is the metaphor that is applicable to this conversation, IMO.

This thread is about the episode. I know that everyone who misses the show or is on the west coast appreciates the advanced spoiling that goes on in this thread (i.e. telling what is happening on the show as it happens for those in the east and central time zones). Everyone loves to then come in and talk about the episode, appreciate the information that has been typed out in detail, and then discuss the episode...what did you miss, what did you think of that, etc. That kind of spoiling is not what I'm talking about - that is very very very very much appreciated by all. Anyone coming into a thread titled "Tonight's Show" who didn't want to know what happened in tonight's show has NOTHING to complain about.

The only issue I was referring to was how this thread is sometimes used to spoil FUTURE episodes by bringing outside information (i.e. information not given in the episode) to speculate and potentially spoil future episodes.


So far on various parts of the board today I've been accused of being a micromanging, bossy <insert some other things modded out> who doesn't appreciate all the research people do to spoil future espisodes....simply because I was suggesting that this thread stay on topic and for trying to stand up for the people who have asked in the past that no one spoil FUTURE episodes in this particular thread. I really can't believe what has been said about me today, in fact, over simply raising a concern.

The spoiling thread is designated for those who want to take the information from an episode and speculate about the future. This thread is for discussing the episode. I guess I'm not seeing why taking the conversation to the thread that was created for that kind of conversation is such an offensive or difficult thing to ask.

Julieboo

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Spy. Also, your deli menu analogy/metaphor hit it on the head. I also do apologize if I got a little hyper about all this. It is all for fun. It just woulda been more fun for me if I didn't hear the F-2. (Whether it's accurate or not.)

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kitty, I totally agree with you. :) I am very surprised at how big this issue has become when it seemed to be a small request.

No one has done anything maliciously in this thread that I am aware of, and I was just hoping that we could all agree to keep this thread about the episode and continue to enjoy the work that people put into reporting on the episode as it happens. And those who appreciate and enjoy the hard work that people put into all the future spoiling can be appreciated in the thread where it is usually found.

I like your suggestion a lot and think it would clear up a lot of confusion.

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooppss - Kitty! LOL - I liked your post but now mine doesn't make any sense!

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Julie, just so you know, there is another spoiler that is different from the one going around now.
(different F2) Who knows what will happen?
Also, ChillOne got the first 4 boots in the wrong order, the last 4 could be in the wrong order too.
Spoilers can be, and usually are wrong to some degree (hope this helps)

On another note, I would miss seeing MsCar's comments here on Thursday night
The Ethel Mertz one regarding Rob last night had me It was SO true! (why he felt he had to wear his buff like that is beyond me)

Bandit

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Moon! I thought it was pretty funny-and can't believe she was able to say that with a straight face. And I LOVED the chuckles from the other tribemates. And of course, JP's "Which one?" was priceless!!!!!!!

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Spy!! lol I wasn't going to post it, then hit the wrong button! DOH!!!!

Julieboo

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Webkitty and Squared!

Appletalk

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really like reading this thread and the thread titled really good spoiler info. I thank the people that provide such good research and information. I have no complaints about spoiler information whatever I read is my problem. IMHO. I am only a sometimes poster so this is really none of my business, however good you resolve the issue by simply name the thread Tonights show with possible spoiler information? Thanks.

Happymom

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also was really laughing hard at the Ethel Mertz comment! LOL, thanks Car! (And unfortunately, I didn't get to see that part of the show.)

I did miss the beginning of the show, and I really appreciate all the posters. Thank you for keeping us filled in!

My husband mentioned something about Deena and Rob being in a secret alliance from the beginning? He couldn't really explain much more, he just isn't into Survivor as much as the rest of us! Anyway, can anyone fill me in on this? Also, I must've really missed something because I don't understand what Jenna and Alex (and maybe someone else?) are talking about when they say Deena lied to them, boy they sure seemed steamed! Can someone explain this to me? I did read all the previous posts in this thread, I still don't get what she lied about and why they are so furious. Thanks for any help!

One more thing, what happened to Jerry Mathers on Fear Factor (re: Matt eating the live bug)?

Denecee

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm...I'm going to talk about last night's show now with out reading all of this thread, so please excuse me if the topic has been covered.
Rob is making me mad(not really). He's playing the game pretty good but I don't think he's fooling everybody. I think if he's not careful that he'll be the next to go. It seems like when you have one person talking alot about the strategy of the game, they get booted.

At least, that's what happened to Deena. I have no idea what Jenna was even talking about when she said Deena stabbed her in the back. I do understand why she wouldn't want to vote Alex off though, he's such a cutie.

Did anybody else think that Dave looked pi$$ed at TC? I don't think anybody has the right to be pi$$ed, it's a game and only one person can win. If I were playing I would only trust somebody as far as I could throw them but I would pretend to trust them.

I managed to get the first bonus question right but nothing else.

Kaili

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, Dave didn't really look to happy- but this was the firts he has seen of them since he was betrayed by his male alliance. Yeah it's just a game but the prize is pretty big and I think i would be a bit upset if all those people lied to my face. I wonder what kind of discussions Deena and Dave had taht first night. I think it's going to end up being a pretty angry jury in the end no matter who is in the final two. There have been too many agreements made, too many lies told that will come out and none of them really have that charisma that allows you to easily get over a betrayal (in my opinion). I mean, if there was a Will Kirby- who lied and lied and everyone forgave him and accepted it, that would be different but there just isn't one of those types there- particularly given who are the major deal makers on this tribe.

Moderator

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We have reviewed the situation discussed today and have come up with a solution that we hope will clear up any problems.

As we understand it, no one takes issue with the hard work put into the spoiling of the show in progress, and we hope that spoiling will continue. We also hope people will continue to discuss the episode after it is over as well.

The issue is with including the insider information in this thread. We realize now that there are a number of people over the last several weeks who have requested that this thread remain free of the insider information, and after some discussion, we agree that it is reasonable to ask that the thread for transcribing and discussing the episode be kept clear of that insider information.

Starting with this thread and continuing from here on out, we will attempt to moderate out inadvertant spoilers of future shows in the Tonight's Show thread. No blame or rebuke, they will just vanish. If you hit the refresh rapidly, though, you might see a spoiler that may or may not be accurate before we get to it.

Please do not complain about our speed (or lack thereof ) or anything that we may miss and remember that will do the best we can.

Thank you,
TVCH Moderators

P.S. The above posts referring to this discussion will be removed shortly. A HUGE thank you to those who have gotten the thread back on track. :)

Jedisan

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MODS ROCK!!!
I am very happy with this decision.
I too, was trying to stay away from FUTURE spoilers, and was frustrated to see this happen time after time. I am very grateful for the obvious hard work the mods are going to have to undertake for the remainder of the season.

Squaredsc

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wow, will the vanish have an aubergine shimmer? just my lil attempt at humor and i haven't said aubergine all day and i just had to get it out.

Realfan

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you, mods!! I really appreciate it. I was going to stop visiting here because of FUTURE spoilers, but now I'll stay around. I want the show to be a surprise, but I love discussing our reactions to it.

On last night's show:

I was a Rob/Deena fan, but my husband grew annoyed with Rob last week when he was so snide, and now I completely agree with him. Deena also got too big for her britches. Rob sure proved his true colors last night by stabbing Deena in the back and reneging on their original two alliance. He'd better not win!

My problem is I don't like any of the Big Four in that alliance. I detest Heidi, and Jenna's not much better. They both think they're all that. Alex is a non-entity to me, but I think it was mean of him not to take Matt to the coffee cafe when the Survivor tradition has been to take the second-place person. True, he can take whoever he wants and it didn't hurt him strategically. I just wanted Matt to have a nice day off because I'm tired of Rob et al making out he's a psycho when he hasn't been violent at all.

I like Christie and Butch best, but unless something big happens, they'll be voted out soon. :(

BTW, last night's end was a real surprise for me. Great episode!

Denecee

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kaili, I read somewhere that all the jury people get a nice sum of money, is this true? I think a person cannot be naive when playing this game and think that people won't lie to your face. If they want to win they have to at least realize that every person is capable of lying thru their teeth in order to win. I do want you and others to know that I could never win at a game like this because of the fact that I am not a good liar. A good liar? hmmm...

Seamonkey

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Will the hovering Moderator be an eastcoaster so they can also join in the realtime narrative??

Car.. I was happy you had pointed out Rob's buff arrangement a la Ethel.. though I thought it also was reminiscent of an Ethel Merman turban crossed with Aunt Jemima's bandanna.. quite odd, no matter how you describe it.. actually it also looked a bit like a diaper.

Julieboo

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you moderators! :)

Beachcomber88

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Originally posted by Realfan:
<I just wanted Matt to have a nice day off because I'm tired of Rob et al making out he's a psycho when he hasn't been violent at all.>

I'm glad someone mentioned this. I was getting tired of it too! Seriously, does Rob think that his life is in danger being around Matt? Does he think that he's going to stab him with a machete while he sleeps? His man boobs would save him from any serious injury anyway!

I think it's ridiculous how everyone says Matt is psycho. He's simply a determined guy who knows what he wants, and sometimes he prefers to keep to himself. Obviously the producers would not let anything happen to any of the contestants. All that "pretend scared" talk reminds me of children in a playground poking fun at the loner they don't like. It really shows how immature they all are.

Ladytex

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Mods! I'm back in the Survivor threads!