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Auntiemike

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Butch COULD buy property and build a house with his second place winnings, couldn't he???

Happymom

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just read the last few posts in the Matt thread. Very interesting. I've thought along these lines about Matt for awhile. If you haven't read the Matt thread lately, you'd probably find it interesting.

I think Matt, not Rob, is the great game player that Jeff has referred to.

Aus10

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All I know definetely is that those lakeside lots run from 25,000 to 40,000 per lot. Actually, it's quite high dollar for the area we're talking about. You have to remember that Southern Illinois, more specifically our area isn't exactly a hotbed of opportunity. We have some of the lowest annual family incomes (although educators in this area rate pretty decent for the area) and highest unemployment rates in the state of IL.

Hermione69

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My dad was a high school principal for years before he got promoted to personnel director. Their salaries do not stretch THAT far, IMHO. After taxes on his winnings, I just don't know if Butch would have enough to buy a new truck and TWO Lakeside property lots that are reportedly pretty expensive, and feel confident that he could take care of taxes and upkeep on an administrators salary. But his finances could be in good shape anyway and this could have just been the push he needed. I can't help wondering, though. That's a lot of output. Makes me think about Rich and the reports of his new house and Brian house-hunting in a very expensive neighborhood, both of which were reported before they won.

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, that's a tough one. Butch at F2, let me think.

I think the main thing to remember is how the jury thinks he played the game.

I am basing my assesment on the Insider transcripts. There would be no reason for mis-direction there. And post boot interviews. Most of then think Rob is playing the best game.

I think Butch would get Christy and Dave's vote no matter who he is up against. I can't guess at the votes if he is up against Matt or Jenna. Hard to call. I think if he was up against Rob, Rob would win.

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My webtv is slow today, sorry. I am behind in posting! ack

Aus10

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lets do a little computation...

New Truck (2003 Dodge) 35,000
Downpayment on two lots and typical house construction where we're talking about
50,000 for the 2 lots
150,000 home construction so the down payment of 20% on 200,000 would be 40,000.

If he wins 4th place of 75,000 total expenditures of 75,000 (and we haven't even taken out taxes is un-doable. Same with the 80,000 for 3rd. HHHmmmm...food for thought.......

Jeep

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't it true that the final two do not know who has won? There is a lot of difference between $100,000 and $1 mil. After taxes the $100,000 wouldn't pay for a truck, land and a house. I would be too chicken to take the chance that I would place 2nd and not have the money to pay for all of it.

Fishydu

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just got permission to post and before I do anything else, I want to thank all you spoilers...from the bottom of my heart.

Hermione69

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, I am in 100th place on CBS fantasy overall leader board. If I can predict a surprise Final Four with the right winner that no one else guesses at because of other spoilers, I could win the car!!! It's a long shot, but hey! Anything is possible! That's part of why I am analyzing Butch's chances. I'm not sure how many people would pick him and if I do and he wins.... who knows???

Happymom

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think in a Butch/Jenna F2, Butch would win. All the guys would vote for Butch, except maybe Alex. Christy would vote for Butch, I think Deena would too. Heidi will vote for Jenna no matter what.

If Matt is in the F2, I think his answers to the jury's questions may impact how they vote. To some extent, same goes for Rob and Butch. What questions will the jury ask, how will they answer, especially Matt. Will he be more of an open book than he has been during the game?

It is harder to predict who will be the winner if Jenna is not in the F2.

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermie ...... the only place I have seen the "fallen comrades" challenge hyped for Sunday was in the questioning at Piranha Pool. So, there is no hard fact proof that the challenge is "fallen comrades". Like you, I couldn't remember one last season with Brian in it, but I did a search and found that TDT mentioned one in it's preview of the show (beforehand). Here's the link. http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/spoilers/ep12.htm

Problem is, I remember those pictures before the challenge but I can't remembr what they actually did for the challenge. Anybody else remember? Does this link jiggle your memory. Oh, and this link is for last season's 12th Episode which we are already through with now.

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cool Herm! I hope you win! (I've never played one of those games)

Ok, something to keep in mind. Butch is too smart to pay outright for a truck. Its never good money sense to do so. If he sold his old truck, (reports that he did) and used that money as a downpayment on a new one, and then got a 0 percent interest loan, WITH cash back, there would be no reason for him to dip into his winnings. At all. Even people that are well off don't pay outright for vehicles (trust me) especially when there are so many great deals around right now. Even people with less than perfect credit can walk into a dealer and drive away a few hours latter with a new car, with no money down. (trust me on this one too)

As for the downpayment on the land, we don't know what Butch had before he went on Survivor. Maybe he was just *this* close to being able to swing it. I'm sure he's wasn't rich, but I bet he had his ducks in order. Even after taxes, 75,000 would be plenty. Who knows what kind of deal he had worked out with the developer before he went on the show.

Butch winning the million would be a surprise. I think the key is trying to figure out what the next IC will be, but there are no clues!
This is so frustrating, I'll go look around the spoiler boards and see if I can find anything for you.

Missapril

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Glad you aren't MY investment banker... fact is, if you have the money, pay cash for ANYTHING - including a vehicle. Now that you can't write off the financing interest like you USED to be able to do on auto loans, it's nuts to finance an auto if you don't have to... when you can pay cash, all the 0% interest (never over the life of the loan and the last couple of years you're paying enough to have paid at LEAST 12% per year) and cash back bonues are NOTHING compared to the outright purchase price you'll get. Dealerships will bend WAY over backward for a cash sale - their risk is "0", after all. Just FYI for those who might make a huge financial mistake thinking otherwise...

Grooch

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty said in her post that he could get a 0% interest rate, plus he had the trade in of his old truck, and he could keep and invest the cash.

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Missapril, there are loans out there that are 0 for the life of the loan, and loans can be paid off early. I have had experience with dealers and paying cash for a new car. Mine was the oppisite of what you are saying. Dealers get incentives to finance, their not that crazy about cash sales.
(for new cars, used is another whole ball of wax)

I agree, with most things, its best to pay cash if you have it, but, depleating your cash base for a car isn't the best financial move. Unless, you are a million dollar winner
(I was going on the assumption that Butch came in 4th place, not 1st) hope this helps.

Demeter

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't last season's fallen comrades the one where they made the flower baskets and send them out to sea? Then the final challenge was the balancing act with the weights/coins?

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, for Herm and anyone else that are playing the games and trying to figure out what happens...
yesterday in this thread, I mentioned a post over at Blows, and Tess provided a link.
When you get there, click on message boards. Then go to the spoiler section. Then go to the the thread called: CBS Finale/Reunion Conference Call.

This was Jeff taking about the finale show. He said a lot of the focus would be on Chirsty, J/H, Rob, and if Shawna and Alex really did have a romance. Nothing about Butch. (can't remember if he mentioned Matt) There was much more, so maybe it will help a little trying to figure out if Butch wins or not. Good luck!

Gidget

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you really believe there is such a thing as 0% interest?

Gidget just shakes her little blond surfer head in amazement.

Karuuna

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol, Gidget.. I was thinking the same thing myself.

Any time you finance thru the dealer, they take a cut. They just are very subtle about it.

The best way will always be to pay cash. If you have to finance, you should *never* finance thru the dealer. Get your financing from a credit union, or your own bank. Then go in and negotiate a cash deal; after researching the invoice prices on the internet. Or better yet, research the invoice prices, and then call the dealers, tell them what you are looking for, and ask them to give you a price over the phone. Then go visit the one who gave you the best price, and don't let them upsell you on anything! :)

Grooch

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe Spygirl got 0% interest on the car she just bought.

Karuuna

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sure she did, Grooch. However, I also believe that she paid a higher price for the car because of it. You only get 0% financing if you pay for it somewhere along the line. In cars, its thru a higher price, and the dealer then pays the finance company. Who would truly give away their product completely free? Car companies are no different. How could they stay in business? :)

One way they do this is to offer you a choice, a rebate, or 0% financing. So to get the 0%, you give up the rebate, thus paying more for the car.

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Demeter.........thanks, you are right. I remember the people coming back to camp after booting Helen off. On their way to the F3 challenge, they dropped off all the little floats they had made and then went into that torture chamber contraption and Brian won. So, they did have a "Fallen Comrades" ceremony, but there was no game played using the fallen comrades in a Q&A situation. Thanks so much for that mind juggler. So that is a good precedent that it will not be a "Fallen Comrades" challenge after all, or it could be. WHO KNOWS!!!

Queenfish

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can i ask a stupid Question??? What does buying a new truck have to do with anything. Kingfish bought a new truck a couple of months ago cause he needed one and he has a job. He didn't have to go play survivor to do it. We also bought a couple of lots not long ago, cause we wanted to, not because we suddenly came in to alot of money. Butch's job, probably pays very well. The High School principal here, in this small town makes over 90 grand per year. He can afford trucks, homes, whatever if his credit allows him that. I don't think what Butch buys or shops for tells us anything about his placing in the game. just my opinion

Webkitty

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Queenfish, that's what I was trying to get at, and didn't do a very good job at it.

People were wondering since Butch bought a new truck and land, that he must make it past F4. I was saying, not really. Anyone can buy a truck or land. Kar, I know financing through the dealer is the worst way to buy a car, I was just using 0 percent interest as an example that he wouldn't have to use all his winnings to buy the truck and land outright. What I was trying to get at is, just because he bought a truck and some land, doesn't (to me) mean he won Survivor.

My webtv is slow, so sometimes I just type things hoping people get my meaning. Sorry for the confusion.