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Fruitbat

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Jenna looks good for the winner. Two small details nibble my brain though.

The intel would have had to have been very close to have heard the men say Heidi and Shawna were the hottest. At a glance all the young women are hot. It was a taste thing with the men. He spoke only Portugese.

And he said he did not think the F2 woman was one who removed her clothes.

LOVE the rumor they could be a tie at some point!

It certainly makes sense that the UTR's have a better shot at the end. Marquesas was the ultimate illustration of how this happens.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a hunch that Alex goes this week. I have nothing to back this up. Dave wins IC. He has the biggest motivation to be sure.

Alex is the next target. He is not tight with the strong alliance and an IC threat.

Webkitty

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The key to who goes this week is the immunity winner. If anyone other than Dave wins, he goes, it makes too much sense for it not to be.

If Dave wins, Alex is a strong possibility.

One thing I noticed on last week's show. Alex was shown wearing an ace bandage. Jeff said in an interview at the beginning of the season that there were lots of injuries that weren't showcased. He mentioned ace bandages. It looks the next IC involves being able to throw something with enough accuracy to smash the idol thing.
If its one of those challenges where the last persons idol is standing, then I guess it wouldn't matter if Alex had an injury to his hand, but if it not, then this could be a clue that Alex loses the IC, making a stronger case that he goes this week.
Does anyone know if Alex is right or left handed? If we could figure that out, then I could check my tape and see what hand the bandage is on.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Where is the rumor on Deena hating Rob? I can't find it.

Webkitty

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, its over at the Sucks spoiler section. I think the thread is called ~A friend of Deena~ This poster says that Deena is keeping in touch with Butch and Christy via emails, but that she hates Rob, lol.
There are other spoilers and hints over there that indicate a shakeup is coming that involves Rob. I think he is the one who ~drives his car off the road~ and causes a tie breaker in ep9 that results in Deena leaving, jmo.

Alaginger

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good Morning Boys and Girls!!!

Auntie Ginger has been thinking again (Uh, Oh --- trouble brewing).

Regarding the Reward Challenge: Seeing the tethered belts of red makes me think the reward is for a couple. 4 girls and 5 guys.....assume the girls draw for a guy and one guy gets eliminated for an RC win right off the bat. We've seen Alex and Deena together in a picture, and Matthew and Jenna. We've seen Dave in the water and Heidi on the shore (a team?). And possibly Christy is teamed with Butch and Rob sits out, or vice versa. I'm pointing this out because my wee-little brain thinks that maybe this is why we see a picture of Heidi sleeping against Dave's shoulder and neck in a night-time scene. ?????
Maybe they won the RC, maybe they lost the RC but bonded because of it, or maybe it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Regardless, I still think Heidi will stick with the alliance and go for a Dave boot when the time comes if he doesn't win immunity.

Squaredsc

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
im sorry but this is a lot of info for my lil pea brain to process but i have a quick question. is alex favored to go more than dave? im just wondering in case neither wins ic. thanks.

Alaginger

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Dave is favored to go over Alex at this point........and if he wins immunity, then I personally think Alex is next on the chopping block. Others may not agree!

Webkitty

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Square, we don't know yet, keep tuned

Ginger, Dave and Heidi winning the RC together and then sleeping together makes sense. (to me)
Maybe those two sleeping together has nothing to do with alliances and all with the RC (somehow)

One thing I have been thinking about is, how Roger said he had "words" with Alex and Rob at TC after he got voted off (that we didn't get to see)
I'm wondering if what he said had an effect on the others regarding Alex. Maybe whatever he said caused Alex to have a bigger target on his back than immunity threat Dave.
Also, I am wondering why Roger didn't have words with Matt, too. Maybe this is why he starts acting creepy, he feels left out by the words NOT said to him. I hope the first confessional we see is someone referring to what went on, especially if it effects the game somehow.
There are reports that Matt and Rob get into an arguement, and if they do this episode, Matt could defect over to Dave and Butch, making that the "3" that Jeff was musing about in his radio interview. AFter the next person goes, that would give us the 5-3 that went to 4-4 because of some disruption from the Deena/Rob alliance.
I think Deena is the one who ~drives her car off the road~ because she can't change who she is. I think it causes Rob to vote with Dave/Butch/Matt which will cause a tie, and I think Deena gets the "purple rock" in ep9 because of it. (this is all speculation on my part, btw)

Dave could still go, but I'm leaning toward Alex right now. If Dave gets picked off, that would be Pagonging, either Dave wins immunity or something happens. This is what I think right this moment, it will probably change by tomorrow!

Anyway, I have to run, talk to you all later!

Webkitty

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops, I was posting while you were, Ginger!

Squaredsc

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
aarrrgghhh, lol.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lemme sum it up for you Square. Dave or Alex depending on who wins IC, unless, of course, there is an upset.

Squaredsc

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks ms. bat. now i just need to know how to vote.

Catfat

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Since Christy received three votes against her, what is the possibility of her getting voted off? This seems to have been a vote engineered by the two older men, one of whom is still there.

Alaginger

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cat: - I believe Butch was following Roger and Dave's lead....and after the look on his face at TC, I have no doubt he will be looking for a different alliance this week. He and Christy just might be the two that form an alliance that is mentioned in this week's preview write-up. (If not, it's got to be Jenna and Matthew......I'm still thinking on that one).

Alaginger

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Have been over at Survivor Fever and they really have a good speculation section going on about Episode 8. Here's the gist and a few shots.

Regarding RC. Probably a tug-of-war between 2 couples at a time. Usually a tug of war has a feather or rag hanging at a central point and the couples vie to get the feather over a given point, like the edge of the water. Ropes are seen in the shots. Obviously Deena and Alex together, and Jenna and Matthew together, and spec that Heidi and Dave together, and Christy with Butch.......and Rob left out, maybe steaming over it if he wasn't picked like Jake wasn't pick last season. Here's 3 pictures showing ropes.
rope1 rope2
rope3
This is my own input: If Heidi is teamed up with Dave....notice she has a log and is possibly winding up the rope......and since Dave is a "Rocket Scientist" he might have set this up for her to hold taut the ground they have made while he gets in the muddy water and gains some more headway with his physical strength added to her taut rope (like a pulley-system???).
Regarding the mask mashing....Survivor Fever thinks it is the IC and "A re-do of the S2 slingshot plate smash/S3 sling shot gourd smash/S4 'coconut chop' or slingshot sand drain/S5 torch snuff type challenge. Designed to reveal hidden alliances and boot selection orders." Also thinks the mask in the pictures we have been seeing is reminiscent of a gal and that the one we get to see is a gal being eliminated from immunity.

Webkitty

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger, I don't understand what you mean by this weeks's preview write-up. Where can I go to see it? Thanks.

MsSquare I didn't realize you were getting ready to vote somewhere.sorry!

Alaginger

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty --- I didn't know what else to call it. Survivor Fever calls it the CBS Website Teaser. Here's the whole thing, and I think the 3rd part refers to a female/male alliance being formulated.

Episode 8 CBS Website:

Matthew fixates on sharpening the machetes and creeps out his tribemates.

As Heidi and Jenna bathe each other, Rob voices his concern that they are using their sexuality to manipulate their fellow Survivors.

One Survivor embarks on a highly strategic relationship with a member of the opposite sex.

Webkitty

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Ginger, I thought it was at the CBS site for some reason and I was trying to find it, lol.
Its at Survivor Fever, gottcha, thanks!

BTW, CBS has FINALLY started to show commercials. I was able to get the longer one on tape.
After watching in s-l-o-w motion, it looks like the IC (since we think the RC challenge is the tug-of-war in the mud) involves a small swinging type log attached to a chain. This is shown smashing into the mask.

I'm wondering how that would work. Stand in front of the mask and push to get the log to swing into it? This doesn't seem like there would be much skill involved, so I agree, it must be designed to reveal alliances. If this is true, I would think Christy, Butch, Jenna might win. They seem most under the radar right now. I would think Dave, Matt, and Deena might be targets. Also, Alex and Rob since Roger had "words" for them at the previous TC.

I'm going to be exhausted by Thursday trying to figure this out! lol.

Alaginger

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Webkitty --- something to make you smile while you are exhausted.
I have already gone around all my gamesites and made my picks based on the scenario I have established in my head. On the sites that allow it, I have hedge my bets between Dave and Alex (something is better than nothing). If we get some better clues that show me differently, I can run around and change those that allow it. If I see any pictures showing that swing log on a chain, I'll snatch one up and put here for the TVCHer's!!!

Webkitty

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cool! And thanks for the pic, Ginger! (see, I have a happy face now, lol)

Clp

Monday, March 31, 2003 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In Thailand, they had to answer questions to get to snuff a torch. Maybe that is what they do here. Besides the memory challenge in the hut, there has not been a "local folklore" challenge yet. I think Deena, Dave, and Rob might do well on this one.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 03:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clp, I agree. Since the mud challenge is very physical it makes sense that the IC/mask smashing is lower key and is either a quiz or some kind of a mental challenge.

The mud: Jenna and Alex and not poised for a tug of war in those pics and I can't makes sense of the feathers in the background being part of that. Feathers in the mud? Too hard to see them and they Alex and Jenna are in the mud now with feathers clearly in the background. Usually a tug of war has one big object in the middle of the rope. And I am not convinced they are feathers. Did someone from another site enhance this photo and confirm them to be feathers. They look like seed pods or some kind of gourd to me.

The objects are hanging on that yellow structure. That must play a part too. A bin to put found things in the mud?

Alaginger

Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 04:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In the IC, if Deena and party are still set on ousting Dave, there will be too many Survivors set on destroying Dave's mask.......so I don't see how he can win. But, in the event he does win...Deena's team already has an alternate in mind to oust. That's if the alliance of Deena, Jenna, Heidi, and Rob is still intact with at least one of Christy or Matt still in tow.

Fruitbat --- the pictures (and the "speculation" that goes with them) came from Survivor Fever (see the inlay on the pictures). As I stated at the start of my message, this is speculation from their website. You are absolutely right...it could be something other than feathers. Just putting ideas out there with pictures for those that need something to chew on! Seeing Alex and Deena in the water, gritting their teeth....I think they are struggling to resist being pulled past the losing point which could be designated with a marker in the air of some type (maybe a feather) or maybe they have to be pulled to the other shore. Just a guess!!! And until we get some better pictures, or the show comes on, that's all we can do is guess (LOL).

Fruitbat

Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 04:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I know it was from SF, I was there too. Just refuting their take is all. And it does look like Deena in the water is the result of a tug of war but why is she with Alex when we have seen Alex with Jenna? That is curious too. I cant tell who is in the mud with her. Pic is not that clear to me.