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Tabbyking

Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 10:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i know what you mean about jenna. i have not liked her since day one. it really bothers me that spoilers have her going to the final 2!

some people say she is growing on them...but if something icky grew on me, i'd have it surgically removed. LOL

i also see the olive oyl resemblance, although many see her as quite attractive. maybe next to heideous. in the dark. in an alley. after an all-nighter.

Tabbyking

Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 10:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah, jane, me too. i have liked matt since way back...when you were only about 6 or 7 months along! when is baby due? if it's a girl, michaela is a good name...lol
hey, you could name it gold...and it can grow up and post on here as gold bond. hee hee

Watching2

Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm really happy to see more support going Matt's way now. It seemed like in the beginning, not many people cared for him, but for some reason I have. Granted, he's not looking so great right now and they made the machete sharpening look pretty wacko! I wonder what we do miss with editing. I was surprised they gave Rob so much camera time again this week, but I have to say, last week he made the show for me. He was cracking me up. But, if they keep this focus on him acting all full of himself, I'd just bet he ends up being the one to run himself off the road.

Did anyone else think of the trolls on Big Brother3 when they were knocking down the masks tonite? I told my husband they did the same thing on BB. The one thing I thought was a bit unfair was some of the people who got the questions wrong were still allowed to play. Seems to me maybe they should have been out after missing so many questions??? I really wish this show was on more often like BB. They have tons of footage on the cutting room floor. Even w/BB on 3x/wk, those of us following the live feeds, know how much is edited on the show.

Back to Matt. Oh yeah, that's why I started posting....lol.... Whenever I look at polls at other places as to who you think wins, he's always in the bottom two. I sure hope the longshot surprises them all. :)

Azriel

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 03:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've seen a lot of people called Heidi stupid for what she said at TC. Well, if Heidi is stupid, then what are the guys? She laughs at them for voting off guys and then they vote off ANOTHER guy! The guys can't get a clue when it is laughing in their face!

Dogdoc

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 04:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if they made the reward ice cream so no
one could smuggle anything back to the group. I agree that Dave and Deena could come back hungry after eating a lot of sugar.They interviewed Amber from an earlier Survivor today on a local Pittsburgh station.She said her group agreed before hand that it was ok for the winners to talk or not talk about what food they got.

Hermione69

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 04:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't catch the "fat pig" comment that Jenna made about Deena. Did she really? Not nice. I'm trying to like her more, but not having much luck. She came across as spiteful and petty last night.

Azriel, by the time they are at TC, it is really too late to change the plan for that night. They can't discuss it after all. Things could go haywire with the votes. I noticed some of the guys eyes getting big while Heidi was talking and I think they do know now how stupid they were, but all they can do is try to force some realliances. Like someone pointed out above, there doesn't seem to be anything real going on. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

I like Deena, Butch, Christy and Matt. Rob is comic relief, but I can't say that I really like him. Alex has gotten very quiet. Not picking up many vibes from him. I don't like Heidi or Jenna. Sorry, just cannot like Jenna. I tried. She blew it last night and she has too much ground to make up now. It ain't gonna happen.

As much as Christy is my girl, I agree she is floating along, unless there is strategy and aligning going on that they are not showing. I get the feeling there is a lot going on that they are not showing us, such as how Butch decided to vote for Dave.

Right now, I think Deena deserves to win the most. Rob is playing way too many people.

Squaredsc

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 05:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i really had no opinion of matt one way or the other in the beginning, but he is growing on me. he seems like a loner and his voice when he was talking to the other folks about the machete was a lil sinister, but i like sinister. i like him and with his sunken cheeks he reminds me of spike from buffy and i just love spike, so if matt dyes his hair blond and starts to drink blood i will love him too, lol.

anyhoo, deena is playing the game hard like danielle from bb did but dani also kept a low profile in front of the other bb'ers until near the end and deena doesn't have a low profile around the others. maybe thats why i don't seem to like deena as much as dani and they both play the game to win and i do like that about deena.

not liking jenna too much, still waiting for this nice girl to show up.

Fruitbat

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 05:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The men went after each other because no one wanted the other to get immunity, making themselves more vulnerable. At least leave the opition open. That was understandable.

I totally missed the fat pig comment. odd.

I like both Deena and Matt. Jenna too. The others not so much. (not personalities, I mean for the win) Christy is a sweetheart but I am not in favor of another UTR winning. Vecepia and Neleh queered that deal for me.

Jane_Bond

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know, I think it must be just as hard to stay UTR (tho some of these folks seem to be making it easy for the UTRs) as it is to play out a more proactive strategy. It seems very much Christy's personality to sort of hang back a bit and read the situation. But, then again, as others have pointed out, we aren't seeing much from her and Butch, so this may be one of those cases where winning or near winning strategies are not really shown.

And, Tabby and anyone else who is interested, I am officially due May 1. It's our first (and only) and we don't know who this little burrito inside me is, so we are starting to get anxious and excited.

Hermione69

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's really exciting, Jane! You are coming right up! Good luck and congratulations!

I just got an email from my brother and he was hot at Jenna for the "fat pig" comment. He doesn't like her much at all either. Right now it is hard for me to see how her winning would be satisfying to a lot of people. Like Square, I am still waiting for the nice girl to show up. I wonder now if JP was just trying to do some damage control by talking her up.

Square, I loved your comparison of Matt to Spike! LOL!

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 07:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that the "fat pig" comment by Jenna wasn't prudent since everything the contestants say in front of the camera has the potential to be broadcast. Jenna also said that it wasn't so much Deena, but Dave, who came back and scarfed down the fish after having three types of icecream.
That was not very prudent of THEM to come back to camp and demand to share the meger meal the rest were having. Deena snapped at Jenna about the manioc, saying she was hungry and wanted some. I didn't think fat pig, but I did go "Geesh!" when Deena said, Yes, I want some manioc, JENNA! I see boths sides to this.

"Food envy" has been a part of Survivor since the first season. Everyone who has ever participated in one has said this is a big deal, and people get touchy when some get a reprieve from the starvation and some don't.
How many times have reward winners said in confessionals that coming back from a RC is a touchy situation? Dave and Deena did not handle that well. I rank it right up there with Neleh and the mint. I'm not saying they sould have brought back food, but they could have been more sensitive to the situation.

As far a Matt goes, if he gets to F2 (and I think he will) he has a 50/50 chance at a million dollars, this means that all of Rob's talk to the camera did not pay off, why is everyone feeling so sorry for Matt? He obviously got the last laugh.
Plus, Rob has never been mean to Matt's face. As a matter of fact, Rob has been the only one so far that has bothered to spend time with Matt, even if he did have alterior motives. (except for Shawna, Dan and Ryan) Actually, the time Rob put in bolstering and encouraging Matt with the thought that he was being taken to F3, probably helped Matt keep his chin up through some lonely days out there after Ryan and Dan got voted off.

I also don't think Christy has a strategy. I think she is just going with the flow, nothing wrong with that. She got camera time in the beginning, because that's where her story was. She still gets little snippits each show, but not like at first.
Is Butch even on Suvivor this season? I think we have seen less of him than Zoe, if that is possible. I highly doubt that he has a hidden alliance or strategy, I think he probably just didn't give the footage that some others did, and MB made the decision to alot the film time to others that had more drama.
Alex has been in the thick of things since the start, almost as much as Rob. He has been a swing vote in just about every situation. He has been fluid in his alliances, but had not recieved the same editing as Rob. Alex has been playing the game hard too.

I have been enjoying this season very much. No pagoning is always a good thing in my book. Lots of twists and turns and intersting (if not always endearing) characters.

Tabbyking

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
jane, you must be wiggling--okay waddling--with joy!!!! my oldest 'baby' is off to college this fall and my youngest baby is going to be a sophomore in high school. it flies by!!! how exciting for you!!! still trying to lose the baby weight. lol

i am still thinking maybe the others aren't seeing christy as a 'whole' person as far as playing the game. they may have put her UTR themselves, thinking she is no threat, just there for the adventure...i would love her to be there at the end, but i also would love to have her on the jury and hear her speech to the others.
also, editing doesn't show much of butch. he seems to be very mild mannered (which is great as he is a principal! gosh, i would have loved to see him interact with joanna...sigh...) but they really only show him being contemplative or helpful around camp. i want to hear some plotting!
still liking my final 4 to be matt, deena, christy and butch.

Hermione69

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 07:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In my book, it is never okay to call someone a fat pig, no matter the motivation or provocation. It is extremely derogatory, not to mention childish. It's the type of slam that she should have outgrown once she left middle school. I also didn't like hers and Heidi's comment about "Oh well, we didn't need the fat anyway." It sounded spiteful. I'm sorry, I just don't like her. I don't think she is a nice person. People can love their Moms and still not be very nice people to most others. I know she has a fan base on the boards and I respect your ability to see a side of her that I don't see, but she is yuck to me. I started watching the show last night with an open mind to her and she shut it fast with her snide comments and attitude.

I would like to see more of Butch, too. I have always liked the UTR players. Still waters run deep. They fascinate me far more. They get criticized a lot for "not playing the game" but I don't think anyone comes on Survivor and leaves without doing a bit of game-playing. UTR is just as much a strategy as active manipulation. I liked Vee and had no problem with her win. Her win was much more satisfying to me than Brian's. It's all in perception. We all respond differently.

Hermione69

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course, I was a chunky kid growing up so Jenna's comments hit me in the wrong place.

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was a painfully skinny kid growing up, and I got many ignorant and hurtful comments. Fat or skinny, a rude comment is still a rude comment.

But, that is not wear I am coming from in this. I am keeping my head strictly in the game, so to speak.
Just the facts, Dave and Deena got to have ice cream, bananas and strawberry's etc. They came back from that and THEY were rude and thoughless in their demand for the meger food at camp. They could have handled the situation better. There is no way around that. I am not saying this because I "like" Jenna, but because its how I saw the situation, and frankly, so did all the others at camp. If Jenna and (whoever) had come back from a RC and done that, and Deena had made a rude remark about it, I would be defending Deena in this instance too, since I would be able to objectivley see her point. They are literally starving out there, food is a HUGE issue. Who gets it, who doesn't. I am not defending Jenna's entire character as a person in life, just her feelings at the time about the situation. Her choice of words was bad, not the frustratiion behind them.

Grooch

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Webkitty 100%.

Hermione69

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was spoiling the show and I missed the part about Dave and Deena demanding food. I only saw them downplaying what they ate, so my impression of what happened is totally different. Now that I know that, I do understand the frustration of the others who were not a part of the RC. Still don't like Jenna, though, LOL!

Squaredsc

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
at least they didn't offer them the ice cream still lingering on their tongue.

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's OK Herm!! You don't have to like Jenna, you know we have an agreement to disagree, LOL.

I was just pointing out that one little event. It was a real "Neleh" moment. The rest of them had looks of longing too. Poor Chisty looked REALLY hungry. Denna WAS haughty and dismissive to Jenna, and like I said, if the shoe was on the other foot, I would be ripping Jenna a new one right now. There was no excuse for Dave and Deena's words and actions just as there was no excuse for the words that slipped from Jenna's mouth, a stalemate.

Like I said, bad word choice by Jenna, but her frustration at being hungry was totally understandable. The hunger level out there has been documented, its all consuming.

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Square!!! Good one!

Snee

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't remember any zoes. hunh.

Grooch

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lobster Lady, Snee.

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
See? Zoe was barely there, my point. LOL

Webkitty

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW, TY Grooch (Its hot here again)

Hermione69

Friday, April 04, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I totally missed that part. I must have been typing at the time. That happens to me when I spoil because when I am typing, I am looking at my laptop and obviously can neither hear, nor read the caption at that time. All I saw was Dave trying to downplay what they got to eat. I didn't see Deena or Dave eating food at the camp and I agree that I would have been resentful had I been left behind and these two people who just got a yummy reward came back and wanted to join the meager meal. That comment of Jenna's just hit me where it hurt.