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Ketchuplover

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope there won't be two tribes. Everyone for themselves from the start.

ps. This is not an original idea. I would like to thank the poster(s) that came up with this idea before me. I'm sorry I can't recall your names. You know who are :)

Here's an idea I believe is my own(crosses fingers) The tribe that wins the IC votes out a member of the losing tribe. Just an idea.

Whoami

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well KL, I came up with a variance of that "vote out the other guy" before this season (or was it SIV?). I had that the IC winner votes out a member of the other tribe. But I also added that each TC, the tribe that will be getting a member voted out can choose a "franchise player" (using the NFL's free agent draft terms). I also had it at three tribes, with the 1st place tribe voting out someone in the last place tribe.

Let's say Chuay goes to first TC, and Sookies get to vote out someone from Chewies. But, before they get there, Chewies decide they don't want to chance losing Brian, so they vote him as their "franchise player" for that TC. The rest of the seven are then left vulnerable. Can you imagine the group dynamics of that?

But, I'm kinda doubting I was the one who came up with it originally. I'm sure I just expanded on what other people were saying at the time. So, maybe you came up with it, and I expanded on it?

Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the John Nash book thing Jeff said is a huge huge clue to what is going to happen.

Mygetaway

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also would like to see no tribes and individual immunities from the start. I think it would make it interesting. Have everyone build their own huts, etc. I guess we'll find out in Feb.

Wilsonatmd

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 02:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, here's my Idea....

They split the groups into sexes, but it's not going to be 2 tribes by sex. Rather, it's going to be THREE TRIBES. There are two pots, one with, say, 3 red buffs, 3 green, and 2 blue, while the other contains 2 red, 2 green, 3 blue, and 1 white (the reason for the white buff I'll get to in a second). Each sex chooses a buff from the same pot, and the pots are chosen at random (say, the oldest person overall gets to pick which pot goes to which group), so each of the three tribes have at least two males and two females each (obviously, the ones with the same buff color form a tribe, the tribe locations might be based on the buff, each with advantages and disadvantages (example: red tribe has a lot of fire and shelter-building material but the waterhole is far away, blue has the closest waterhole but not a lot of firewood, green has a lot of natural food nearby but not a lot of shelter materials). The first challenge is for Immunity and Reward; First place gets both Reward and Immunity, 2nd place gets just Immunity, last place goes to TC.

Now what about the person with the white buff? Well, that person goes back with Jeff at the beginning, doesn't join a tribe at first, and only observes the RC/IC....because that 16th person will replace the first voted out member at the first TC (thus, all three tribes will have 5 members for the first 6 days). That person will have not been in the game the first three days, which might be a disadvantage, but, because of this (although they won't know this until the second IC) That tribe gets automatic immunity from the next TC. In fact, the team that goes to TC in the tribal phase automatically wins immunity and doesn't have to play the IC the next time around- a tribe cannot lose two members consecutively; thus the IC's after the first are for two tribes only. Reward Challenges are the same as before with all three tribes, but sometimes there might be a major/minor/none scheme....1st place gets a big reward, 2nd place gets a minor one, 3rd gets nothing.

This continues until one tribe goes down to two members. If/When that occurs, that tribe is dissolved, and there's a "mini merge"-one member of the now defunct third tribe goes to each of the other two tribes, decided at random. (at that point,the "no team can lose two members in a row" rule is no longer in effect). However, there is a traditional merge into one tribe when nine players remain (so the mini-merge may not occur, as it could merge 3-3-3 or 4-2-3, because the one tribe merge happens at nine, not ten or eight, also, at that point, everyone in the merged tribe is on the jury or in the finals, so it makes sense), then the rules revert to normal with individual rewards and immunities.

This could be interesting, especially in the individual phase. You couldn't have a traditionl Pagonging, because you have three tribes to deal with at the merge, and loyalties could be split. The no consecutive TC's rule with the three tribes makes it so the three teams are roughly equal in size at all times. the 16th person not coming in until after the first TC could be a big advantage to that tribe, as there could be a strength reserve because of that, not being in the game for the first three days. And the 16th person is guranteed to be in the game for at least six days, because the tribe he or she joins has immunity for the 2nd round, so that gives them time to build friendships and such, possibly not making that person the automatic choice for voting when that tribe has to go back to TC...the possibilites are endless.

The downside is that tie votes could become more likely, with only 5 votes at the start. In case of a deadlock after a revote, we go to a "sudden death" tiebreak-questions about the area, or about the other tribes. Both answer at the same time (they write the answers down), first to get it right when the opponent misses stays. A little clunky, but the three tribe idea I think is worth the possibility of a lot of tie voting.

Car54

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 03:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gosh Wilson, you just made me dizzy.

Webkitty

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Me too (nice effort though)

Pamy

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What is the John Nash book about?

Lycanthrope

Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto question that Pamy asked.

My idea would be to expand the playing field to 18 contestants, and have 3 tribes of six. Once 6 people have been voted off, they do one of those mix and match deals and 3 new tribes of 4 are created regardless of how many players were left in each original tribe. After 3 more are eliminated and the final nine is set, they merge. I agree with 3 tribes, the challenges would be different and there would have to be two immunities per challenge with only one tribe going to TC. It would be different and the series should last a little longer with more eliminations. Also, more time spent at the location as well. Maybe 45 days?? I know S2 was 42 days, so it's do-able.

Car54

Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a thread about the John Nash book, and Bryan did some research and gave us some links to it. It has to do with game playing strategies and motivation.

Philo1

Tuesday, December 24, 2002 - 05:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wilson, pls wake up and smell the fresh coffee!! In the end - it truly is just a GAME!!!

Neko

Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 04:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
MAybe Wilson is MB in disguise and he just gave away one of his future ideas??
Hehhe

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Philo...it is just a game, I know...but I never really got into this past season of Survivor...They need to shake things up a little bit more (the teams being picked by the elders and the merge fakeout were good, but not great),otherwise, it just gets into a rut. In other countries that have done this, they have done the "boys vs. girls" thing, but I don't know if that would fly here...you lose some of that interpersonal things. I'm just saying what I would do to shake the game up, without losing the spirit of the game too much.

Neko, you give me too much credit....a lot of people on other boards have done the "three tribe" idea, that was just how I would handele it...

Personally, my intuition tells me that it's going to be one of two things....

1-It will be boys vs girls....interesting, but again, I'm worried about the interpersonal dynamics, or

2-This could really shake things up.....All voting is done publically, so everyone knows who voted for who. Upside is that could show everyone where the loyalties are, and bring a healthy paranoia into the game.......downside is that it could drive a lot of alliance talk underground, and the viewers might miss it.

Car54

Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally Wilson, I like Neko's theory...it adds to your mystique...you always seem to find out what is going on pretty early with ALL the reality shows.... are you SURE you aren't someone at CBS?

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Car54, I wish I were...I'd get them to move Amazing Race to 8PM on Wednesdays when it comes back (which it still might), even 10PM might be better then facing Bachelorette and Bachelor 3 (plus they're moving Angel to Wednesdays...I'm a big fan of Buffy and Angel).....I just happen to be a guy who knows where to find the information when needed (which is good, I am a recently graduated librarian but I haven't been able to find a job yet, so it's good practice for me)

Spunky

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Once the teams are formed Jeff will mix them up again... eh, eh...

Webkitty

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The big twist is that the tribes will start out as male/female. They live in different camps. (per The Early Show this morning)

Seamonkey

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yup.. and the tv guide lady said the guys were all being macho and building shelter and the women were bonding and braiding hair and stuff like that, but that was just the very beginning.

Wilsonatmd

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
they may start out as male/female, but theres a rumor that instead of the merge happening at eight like last time, or at ten like normal, the merge might happen at twelve....I guess they want to have as much male/female bondaing as possible, but they also wanted the male/female rivalry, so they compromised.

Webkitty

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wilson, I read just the opposite. That the tribes would merge early.

There is also a rumor of a romance this time so if you believe that, then an early merge would make more sense. jmo

Car54

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard they merge after 3 or 4 TC's. That the women win the first 2...then the men..then an early merge.

Wilsonatmd

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, that's what I said....normally, they merge at 10 people left, last time they merged at 8 people left...this time they might merge at 12 people left....

Webkitty

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just read the the premire will be 90 minutes!!! Woo Hoo!!!!

Ketchuplover

Monday, January 13, 2003 - 05:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YAHOOOOOOOO :)

Fruitbat

Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 04:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, where did you read that? That would be fabulous.

Webkitty

Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 06:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, over at Sux. There is a thread about it.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, January 14, 2003 - 06:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Happy dance! :)

Curious1

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, this isn't really about the twist BUT didn't Jeff give us a clue last season that you could learn alot about how to play this season of survivor by reading up on "JOHN NASH" does anyone have any better clue as to what he was talking about now that the season has started?

Curlyq

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I got the feeling he was just telling people who wanted to apply for future games that they could learn how to last longer in this game if they studied that theory, not that there was any part of this season's show that would deal with it specifically.

Squaredsc

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thats it curious, i just mentioned that in the show spoiler thread. so far the women are a bunch of followers or leaders pretending to be followers.

Moondance

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And the men are a bunch of leaders wanting to be followers.... Hmmmmmmmm

Squaredsc

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ahh, the plot thickens.

Sawheel17

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What if they match up the girls with the guys.You know how the guys were talking about the girls. So the younger girls would be matched up with the younger guys, etc. That could be the split between older and younger tribe members someone mentioned on one of the threads. I know,I know, it's time for me to hit the sack.