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Karuuna

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty - and sometimes I just get way off track, so I cause a fair amount of confusion too. My apologies too!

Csnog

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 04:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Next IC shows a blindfolded 4 going through a maze in a pouring rain.

Spygirl

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I paid about $500 above dealer invoice on my car (NOT sticker price - I paid almost $2000 under sticker). :) I researched the car over the net which reflects the typical costs people pay on a particular car and the dealer website reflects the dealer invoice. I did not pay a higher price for sure. $500 above invoice is an incredible deal.

I have reconciled the deal to the fact that Mitusbishi sales were down and they needed to get their cars on the road and get people talking about them and enjoying them. I've not seen the special deal I got again since the first of the year, and the price of the car I purchased is still exactly the same as it has been since the car came out.

P.S. There was no rebate offered on the car.

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Cee.........where did you see that? Maybe I can catch it and post here.........

Csnog

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Saw a preview on ET tonight.

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thaks Cee ......... I hope Survivor Fever or Survivor Phoenix can zap some pictures up to their website from that and we can get them posted here. Thanks a bunch for that "Heads Up".

Karuuna

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spy, not sure when you bought your car, but Mitsubishi currently offers 0% financing OR a rebate. Depending on the car, the rebate ranges between $500 and $3200. :)

Micknrc

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can we get back on topic?

Or maybe start a car financing thread in general discussions....hugs are free

Csnog

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeff was standing on a circle podium high in the air and the 4 players were each facing their own maze and they were blindfolded. It was pouring rain.

I can't find any pictures yet.

Alaginger

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well........that's definitely not a "Fallen Comrades" challenge for the F4 win. And if they are all blindfolded and in the pouring down rain, you have to pretty much say it is evenly dreadful!!! So........Jenna or Butch could have as much chance stumbling into a win here as Matt or Rob, huh??? Good Find Cee!!!

Karuuna

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mick, are you saying you have zero interest in our off-topic posts?

Grannyg

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just found this article on one of those reality boards. It is fairly long but toooooooo funny!!

Hen Terror War

Csnog

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, Jeff is standing with the rain just pouring on him and everyone was facing their own maze with a blindfold on. I guess Jeff was standing there so he could tell who will be ahead.

I put Heidi's interview with Howard Stern in her thread.

Grannyg

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Another take on the final four............

What Rob needs to do!

To date, Rob has shown excellent reactive instincts in Survivor. Now, contrary to his protestations that he’s out of moves, he’s got to take some proactive measures to have a chance at winning the game.

Rob’s mistake of booting Christy before a Naked Hottie did not come back to haunt him. It could have, because Butch had more incentive to go with the Hotties, because they are the physically (and probably the mentally) weakest players in the game. Maybe he took pity on them since they must remind him of some of his students, in intellect and demeanor. As a result of choosing the wrong pair, now it’s Butch who should experience the haunting.

Once again, Rob must do the dirty work, for he finds himself in a Rich Hatch-like position: there’s only one person he can beat, and so he must set the table to give himself a chance to face Jenna. That won’t be easy, because Matt has turned into a monster who may not lose either upcoming challenge. Matt has shown the vulture-like instincts of Vecepia, hanging around without a lot of guile. But unlike her and like Cody (who, unlike her, lacked guile so that he let himself get played by Tina) is formidable enough with his own abilities to put himself in front of the jury.

This means Rob loses, even if Matt takes him to the jury, which is likely given Matt’s loyalty to him. Matt could be beat Jenna as well, but it’ll make him feel better and make him look better to bring along Rob, who he also beats. Somehow, Rob’s got to get Jenna into the final three and must have Matt there also, for two reasons. First, if Matt (or Rob) wins immunity they can select their victim. Second, if Matt were not to win the next immunity, Rob could not sell him out, for that could be the final straw in the minds of the jury concerning his burning player after player (unskillfully, unlike Brian in the last edition – that’s what made Brian’s skillful, his ability to do it and not have the others realize he was selling out player after player). Such a move means he would lose even against Jenna. But by Matt not winning immunity (and if not Rob), Butch may, which is the one thing Rob cannot have happen.

That’s because Butch must go next for Rob to have any shot at winning. Similar to Rich’s situation, Rob is part of the last stable dyad (for Rich, with Rudy), but faces the dilemma that his partner is more popular. He needs his partner to get him to the final three, but then needs for both his partner and himself to lose the last immunity challenge. That means for Rob to win the title, he must have Jenna win immunity and execute Matt, her figuring she has a better shot of winning against Rob.

Rob must go to Matt and explain that, despite whatever bond Matt may have with Butch, only Butch could beat Matt now. Rob must promise to take Matt to the jury and frankly admit that he would probably lose as a result. He must emphasize that Butch has a better shot of winning that final immunity than Jenna, and if Butch were to win it, Rob would be a surer thing to be up against than Matt, so Butch probably would send off Matt. Thus, Rob assures himself of a spot in the finals, and even a chance to win it all.

About the only thing that could stop him would be Butch winning the second-to-last immunity. For Rob, that brings a Hobson’s choice of selling out Matt (which the others would gladly countenance) and sealing his own fate, or getting rid of Jenna, the only person he can beat. Notice also that this is the only way Jenna probably would not go to the final two as well.

So, if Rob and Matt are thinking strategically, it pretty much comes down to Butch having to win the second-to-last immunity challenge. If he doesn’t and one of them does, Butch takes a hike. If Jenna somehow wins, an interesting Purple Rock o’Death situation will emerge if Butch thinks clearly and lines up with Jenna (the only way, in fact, I can envision a scenario where Matt and Jenna can get to the finals, unless Matt does sell out Rob which I consider unlikely; or it could be another way that Rob could sneak into the finals with Jenna, but that’s asking for a lot of luck from his perspective).

Thus, the final strategic moves for Rob go as follows: (1) get Matt to cement a reciprocal bringing of the other to the jury if they are in that position, (2) convince Matt to go along with him and oust Butch at the next opportunity, (3) get he or Matt to win immunity, and then (4) Rob throws the last immunity challenge and hopes Jenna wins and tosses Matt. With a lot of luck, if Matt beats Jenna, then he may even beat Matt in the jury.

But you have to get to the finals in order to win. Rob’s done enough to be considered to this point a good, solid player. Let’s see if he has what it takes to be a great one.

Jeffrey D. Sadow is an associate professor of political science at Louisiana State University in Shreveport where he teaches, among other things, classes in international politics, international organizations, and diplomatic history. He has published in the area of gaming simulations in international politics.

Happymom

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Grannyg! I'm still wiping my eyes after ROFLOL!!! That Hen Terror War is SO LOL funny!

Csnog

Friday, May 09, 2003 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ginger,

Pic's are up at Survivor Phoenix

Alaginger

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh My Heck Cee!!! I overslept this morning, Bigtime. Thanks for the Message....went straight over there. Here's some pictures folksof F4 IC.
ic1
Survivors are blindfolded
ic2
It's a maze set-up.
Rob is the male with the muscle-shirt
left after the fire, so he must be white.
Jenna appears to be gold.
And Butch and Matt have short-sleeve t-shirts.

ic3
Jeff says "Ready, Set, Go!"
ic4
Looks like Rob starts in the wrong direction.
ic5
And continues more in the wrong direction.
See the little circles at the 1st intersection
in the maze? Could be a puzzle (but blindfolded?), so maybe it is something to pick-up and carry to make the maze harder to maneuver, or maybe it is there just to throw them off!

Webkitty

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Ginger! Now were cooking with gas. Ok, so this must be the F4 challenge.
I read that Jeff says the final challenge takes place at TC.

Anyone could win this, but its not looking good for Rob.

I need to check the spoiler boards, be back in a bit.

Edited: I meant, OTHER spoiler boards, lol. (FIM disease)

Alaginger

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Survivor Fever has a couple of shots that might add a little something also. Hubby ran me off the other computer, so I'm trying this for the first time on the old computer.....so if the pictures don't upload, please excuse, and I'll redo when I am "allowed" back on the other computer (LOL).
ic6
Notice Rob is definitely in the muscle shirt.
Jenna is still wearing Heidi's shirt (right?)
There is a feathered flag they aren't paying
any attention to, but this could be what they have to redeem and make it back to JP to turn in to win immunity (just my own guess)
ic7
JP is positioning blindfold on Jenna. There are 3 other pictures similar of JP doing the same to Rob, Butch and Matt. The blindfold picture of Matt in the post I made earlier is the same and that is Matt's face and JP's hands.

Also, here is a cut and paste from Survivor Fever with a little explanation....might help somebody!
"- This is definitely the E13A IC as in the promo JP says 'for immunity' and also you can see the IN atop the platform with JP.
- It's raining as JP is soaked to the skin, but that probably won't matter w/this challenge
- Each survivor lined up in front of a different colored maze area: Jenna=brown, Butch=blue, Matt=red, Rob=white. Don't know if they have to do/get something in just their own area, or do/get something from each colored maze area. MB loves to have the Survivors stumble and bump into things so maybe it's the latter (do all four mazes)."

Egbok

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There seems to be "stuff" on Jenna's side of the cage-type tower (gold side). Anybody have any ideas?

Alaginger

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty ....... You said "I read that Jeff says the final challenge takes place at TC." Did you really read that somewhere, or did you just read the below Quote and assume that. I mean, based on the Quote, it does seem it could be that way .... but it might not necessarily be. Let us know if you actually read that the final challenge does in fact take place at TC...thanks!

Quote:
Survivor: The Amazon
...And Then There Were Four
120 min.
The ultimate survivor in the Amazon is crowned as the reality series wraps up its sixth edition.
In the two-hour episode, the four remaining players are whittled down to two and the seven-person jury decides the winner. “It's a toss-up when we get to the final two,” reports host Jeff Probst. “It's not a sure thing. How people answered the questions at the final tribal council had an impact on whether they got a vote.” The big change this time, explains Probst, is that the concluding vote takes place immediately following the last immunity challenge. “There's no time to think about it,” he says. A reunion of all 16 castaways in New York City, which Probst also hosts, follows the finale. (VCR Plus+ 74411)

Alaginger

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Egbok ... in all these pictures, and several others on other websites....all I see is a bunch of moss for decoration. On Jenna's side there does appear to be an oval shape in the wood, but it is either nothing or the Survival logo IMHO. I'll go look at some other pictures elsewhere and see if I see anything differently, but right now I think all 4 sides are identical.

I'm wondering if there is a key on that little table, and it opens a lock somewhere that enables them to get to the flag. ?????

Also, in the 4 corners of the maze there are great big square roofed-off areas. I don't think the Survivors will get up there (especially blindfolded and these were probably just put there to balance out the maze look....

Alaginger

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For clarification --- I keep calling the round thing in each maze a little table, but I notice at the other websites they are calling it a round disc on the ground. So.....I guess my little idea about a key on a table is probably defunct!!!

Egbok

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the great pics Alaginger! The round disc on the ground definitely will add to stumbles and bumbles, especially if they have to search for items in the maze and bring it back to the disc on the ground and drop the item in there. Since they're blindfolded, they would have to feel the ground area with their feet to locate the disc unless they are able to crawl around in the mud to re-locate the disc. Also, do you think the greenery, mossy stuff at the top of the maze is just for decoration or could it possibly be a part of the maze problem solving? Do we have any after the IC pics to see if they are all muddy? I appreciate your searches since I'm a dork with this type of stuff. Edit: Just came back to add that since it's raining, the mud would probably be washed off, duh!

Alaginger

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eg...........there are no pictures after that picture I posted above where Rob looks like he is going off in the wrong direction (towards Butch's side). There are none available that show them even one inch into the maze, or after the maze, or anything.....just the ones starting off.