Archive through March 30, 2003
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Archive through March 30, 2003
Car54 | Friday, March 28, 2003 - 08:53 pm     Milkshaky lives in Missouri. Not StL or KC. I don't think you are going to like it there. |
Fruitbat | Friday, March 28, 2003 - 09:13 pm     Ok, that queers the deal. Thanks Car. |
Webkitty | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 07:03 am     Oh, MrBat is just as adorable as MsBat, they make the perfect bat couple I agree, I think Missouri might be limited on designer shoes. Besides that, Milkshakey is gay you know........... |
Tabbyking | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 08:04 am     doesn't 'polygyny' mean more than one gynecologist? you guys are too funny! |
Squaredsc | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 09:23 am     roflmao tabbyk. |
Webkitty | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 01:37 pm     I STILL haven't seen any commercials yet for next week, what gives? |
Alaginger | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 03:37 pm     Just had to share this one with you guys!!!
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Grannyg | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 04:01 pm     Alaginger, that is oh so true!! TOO CUTE!! |
Queenfish | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 04:20 pm     uhhhh, Just a quick note here. I have been shopping all day , and just thought I would let you know that i bought 2 pair of designer shoes today, right here in missouri, imagine that yall. |
Car54 | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 04:47 pm     Queenfish, I lived in Missouri once. Bat wants to move somewhere warm in winter. |
Pamy | Saturday, March 29, 2003 - 08:00 pm     My Mom was from MO, my Grandma still lives there, about an hour from Springfield |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 07:31 am     I was just over at TDT, and it looks like the IC is a type of ~break the idol~ thing. This looks like something just about anyone could win, but I'm leaning toward Dave or Matt. I think if Dave doesn't win this, he is in the most danger of getting voted off this week. Its clear he was next in line after Roger, and Deena/Rob have the numbers to do it. Something tells me Matt does win this week because of the "creepy" previews, misdirection, it will seem like he is in danger but won't go. If Dave wins, then I am leaning toward Deena going. She got a lot of air time last week about how this was her game, and at this point, I have to agree, but this makes me nervous. Granted, Brian was edited like that last year and he won, but would MB edit like this two years in a row? I have been seeing threads at Blows and Sucks regarding pride going before a fall, and there is also a spoiler that indicates that Deena "hates" Rob now. IF, there is any truth to the spoiler, what happens? They were the core of the alliance last week, seemingly indistructable. Thoughts? |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:00 am     I'm also reviewing ChillOnes spoiler. Everything he said has come true, except for the EXACT boot order of the first four off. There is no way someone could just guess at all these things and get it right, I tend to believe him at this point. Anyway, he said his intel told him the final four would be: Christy at F4 (his intel decribed her as the deaf girl) Butch at F3 - (his intel decribed him as an older man, about 50, and since Roger is gone, Butch it is) F2 - A young man, about 26, and his intel motioned with his arms that this man was tall and well built. His intel also motioned with his hand that he had a side part. This can only be Matt at this point, unless DAve, Alex or Rob develope a side part sometime soon. His intel also told him that the F2 male was not as well liked by the others as the F2 female. (we see in ep8 that the others think he is creepy, so that fits with the profile too) The F2 female was decribed at young, about 22, and not the hottest at the beginning, but was by the end. Weight loss was NOT mentioned as a factor in this by ChillOne's intel. ChillOne admitted that he threw that thought in on his own. In the first TC, when the guys were going on about who they thought was the hottest, Jenna wasn't mentioned, Shawna and Heidi were, so therefore, she was the hottest in the beginning, but was by the end, because Heidi and Shawna are gone by this point. ChillOne also said that he was more confident in the final four that the first four. I am buying into it at this point because it makes sense to me. Why? Because I think Matt will be a huge immunity threat. He seemed pretty comfortable on that pole last week. I think he could have outlasted Christy and Deena if he wanted to. He is big and strong, and if he feels in danger, I think he could go on a run. Plus, even though we have the creepy comments coming up this week, I still think Dave will be a bigger target, and then who know what might happen. I think he is also flexable, and will have no problem joining up with whoever is in the majority to vote off the weekly target. I think he is safe. Butch is UTR. I think there will be major upsets coming up, and he isn't an immunity threat, he's safe. Christy, same as Butch. Jenna, same as above. The only thing I am thinking at this point is, since ChillOne DID get the first four boots out of order, it could happen at the end too. In that case, any of the four could win, or come in at any order in the final four lineup. So, working back from there, we have Deena, Dave, Rob, Heidi, and Alex who could go possibly go this week. (if you believe ChillOne, and who the final four might be from his intel) |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:20 am     Another thought, (lol) Working off the weight loss spoilers. Rob was reported to have lost a lot of weight. There is a pic of him at variious spoiler boards that was supposed to have been taken at Christmas. It shows him much thinner than he is at this point in the game. Going on this, if you tend to trust weight loss as a good gauge, than I would say he's safe for now. Deena was reported to have lost a good amout of weight too. She is looking noticibly thinner each episode and I think her reported weight loss might be nearing its goal. Reports say she lost about 30lbs. She could still go this week, but I bet by next week she is right there for her reported weight loss. Butch was reported to have lost a good amount too. He is starting to look thinner, but I don't think he's there yet. Dave, no weight loss reported. This interests me the most. He seems solidly built, as in muscular, with a naturally round face, as opposed to an angular or long one. He might not show weight loss like some others. Then again, if he goes this week, he will have had a good amout of time to re-gain before going back to work, something that makes me think he DOES go this week. Matt, huge weight loss spoiler on him. Another reason I think he's safe this week and he could indeed be the F2 male. Jenna, no weight loss reported, but she was thin when she started. Heidi, big weight loss reported. She's already emaicated, but we haven't seen her hair start to fall out yet. She could be in danger of going this week with her Dave thing she has going on, but I think she does last until ep11 like Milkshakey reported. Alex, no weight loss reports on him. He is a mystery, all reports of his demise seemed to be false. When DOES he go? There doesn't seem to be a niche for him. Christy, weight loss reported, this bodes well for her going far in the game. Plus, she is UTR and seems flexable in alliances. Working back from weight loss, it seems to me that DAVE might be the logical choice for this week. |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:22 am     And.....STILL no new commercials yet this week!!! |
Moondance | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:04 am     Damn you're good MsKitty! |
Grannyg | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:37 am     I saw this in another site but it came from the New York Times. You have to register to read it but registering is no big deal. They let me use my Yahoo address. The Finale as Rerun When Trumping ‘Survivor’ THEY collect evidence carefully, cultivating sources and assessing their credibility. They survey locations with satellite imagery and painstakingly analyze video clips frame by frame for clues to help them find out who walked away with $1 million. But these detectives are not investigating a bank robbery or a case of corporate embezzlement. The object of their pursuit is the identity of the million-dollar winner of "Survivor: The Amazon,'' the CBS reality program. Even in cases when they are not excited by the program itself, "Survivor" gumshoes enjoy the challenge of spoiling the taped show's conclusion before it goes on the air. "When I saw the first episode, I thought, this is a really terrible show," said Stephen Turley, who works at a financial services firm in Baltimore. But once Mr. Turley visited Internet message boards where participants were trying to determine how contestants were faring, he said, "I was pretty hooked." "Survivor," for those who have not seen the program, goes something like this: 16 people are taken to a remote location, provided with minimal supplies and divided into two "tribes." The tribes participate in competitions, and the losing tribe has to vote one of its members off the show. Eventually evicted tribe members form a jury that chooses which of the final two contestants wins $1 million. The sixth season of "Survivor," filmed late last year in the Amazon rain forest in northwestern Brazil, is on the air now; previous seasons were filmed in such places as Thailand, Kenya and the Marquesas Islands in French Polynesia. "Survivor" is filmed months before it is broadcast, so by the time it reaches American living rooms, contestants and film crews have come and gone. The winner is revealed in a live broadcast of the show, but spoiler sites like Acmebraintrust.com and Survivornews.net thrive on much more than who is going to get the prize money. Each week, there are predictions of who is going to be voted off the show, and ultimately, of who the two finalists will be. Among the more popular sleuthing techniques at the spoiler sites is collecting tips on contestants' weight loss. Since food in the game is scarce, the more weight "Survivor" players lose, the better their chances of winning - or so the theory goes. "Weight-loss spoilers, almost all in press stories or posts on message boards by casual acquaintances or co-workers of the contestants, gave away the final five in 'Survivor: Thailand,' " said Jeff Pitman, a research scientist in Providence, R.I., who runs TrueDorkTimes.com, a satirical Web site that attracts "Survivor" spoilers. Mr. Pitman said that last year one enterprising spoiler traveled to a car dealership that employed a contestant, Brian Heidik, and took photographs of him. Mr. Heidik appeared fairly emaciated, and it turned out that he had won the game. In fact, predictions at the sites are sometimes so accurate that reading them can make episodes seem almost like reruns. For this season, Survivornews.Net, run by Tim Gilman, had a perfect track record as of last week's episode. Acme Braintrust members - the site, which has about 100 members, is made accessible by invitation only, in part to keep costs down - have correctly picked four of six evicted tribe members. "In Survivor 4, we got 15 of 16 picks correct,'' said David Kathman, a stock analyst in Chicago who is a member of the site. "Survivor 3 was not nearly as good. There wasn't as good information available.'' The various spoiler sites tend to be cooperative and competitive in their quest to reveal which "Survivor" players have outwitted, outlasted and outplayed their competitors. Other hints come straight from CBS: fans record promotions for coming episodes and scan them frame by frame for clues. These "vidcaps," as they are called, recently helped fans correctly predict the specifics of a tribe swap. CBS will neither confirm nor deny its use of red herrings, but some believe that after the first vidcap revelation in the first season, the show's executive producer, Mark Burnett, inserted a digitally altered image into the credits to sidetrack determined spoilers. "I really have to tip my hat to him - that was a genius move," Mr. Turley said. Mr. Burnett said he appreciated the interest from spoiler sites. "It's a natural expression of human nature," he said. "With so much of our show shrouded in secrecy until it's broadcast, it makes complete sense that many individuals consider it a challenge to try to gain information before it's officially revealed - sort of like a code they are determined to crack. "While it's my job to keep our fans on their toes and stay one step ahead, it is fascinating to hear some of the lengths these individuals are willing to go." For fans of the Web sites, "the spoiling is the fun part," and Mr. Burnett said he did not mind. "If it keeps them excited and interested in the show, then everybody wins." While slimmer contestants and video captures can be informative, sometimes the spoilers' level of detail suggests inside connections. Dan Bollinger, an industrial designer from West Lafayette, Ind., operates Survivor Maps (www.claycritters.com /map/survivormaps.htm), which publishes maps of "Survivor" filming locations, based partly on satellite images. "Our tips come from the people at the location," Mr. Bollinger said. "Government officials, tourism chiefs, resort managers, those sorts of sources. It is hard to hide 300 people." But the site does not engage in spoiling. "We don't investigate the winner,'' he said. "We'd rather watch and be surprised." |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 10:50 am     Thanks MsMoon, wish I could post links, it would make my job soooo much easier! I've been reading a thread over at Sucks spoiler section off and on for a while now, and its making more and more sense as time goes on. The title is: Jeff on Tie Breaker. Its down around the middle to bottom of the first page in spoilers. The gist is, at the beginning of the season, Jeff gave a radio interview and had some interesting things to say not only about tie breakers, but what "might" happen if someone gets derailed from their mission statement in the game, and someone who ~can't change who they are~ causing what should have been a 5-3 vote becoming a 4-4 vote. In addition to the radio interview, this thread also gives spoilers of fights breaking out between Rob and Matt, and Heidi and a "guy" (Rob?) Most posters over there think that what Jeff had to say WAS pertaining to this season, and not just ramblings in general and I agree. Episode 7 left us with Deena firmly in control of her alliance, it SHOULD be a cake walk to victory, but something happens, because I believe the spoiler that she is gone ep8 or 9, either by votes or a chance tie breaker, maybe even another purple rock type scenario. Other posters that actually heard the interview agreed that it seemed like Jeff had indicated that a tie breaker does occur this season, and it would make sense that Deena would go this way, unless Rob defects bigtime, which is another possiblity I got from reading the thread. Its interesting reading, if anyone has the time I would love to hear your thoughts about it. There is one poster, Orangeena, that posted on 3/15 at 5:15pm, who gave the meat of the interview with Jeff. If you can't find it, let me know. Edited: just saw your post Granny, thanks! |
Alaginger | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 12:37 pm     Wow, Webkitty......you've really been taking your vitamin pills......and your thinker is working very well. Good information there!!! Both TDT and Survivor Phoenix have new pictures up today that are a lot cleaner and clearer than the previous pictures I posted. Since they are basically the same pictures of the guys in the muddy waters and the mask-smashing, I'm not going to post any here....... but just be aware that the same pictures are clearer now at both of those places. I think if Dave doesn't go this week, that the next one in danger before Matt, is Alex. I'm still going with what I heard Deena and Jenna discussing on the shore about after Roger is Dave, and then Alex because he is too thick with Rob and she wants Rob really tethered and loyal to the women's alliance. So, if Dave wins alliance.....I'm thinking Alex right now. I agree with your F4, and still think Heide at EP11 is good. Deena has to stay longer to get to the point of hating Rob. We need to see that happen. And that gives out vibes that Deena will go before Rob. So that leaves Dave or Alex this week, I think. Will be interesting to see if a tie-breaker does materialize, but it will not be this week.....so I'll be like Scarlett and put that off until tomorrow! |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 01:04 pm     Ginger, I have come to same conclusion, I think its going to be Dave or Alex. I was toying with Deena this week, but your right, there is still drama that needs to unfold there. Plus, like I said, I think Deena needs one more week to fulfull her weight loss spoiler. 30lbs is kind of a lot to lose for her because she wasn't all that big to begin with. Its a toss up with the two guys, though, no weight loss (or any other kind) of spoilers on them. They are both immunity threats, but Deena and Rob want Dave gone first. Ummm, I guess the key is to figure out who wins immunity. STILL haven't seen any commercial, this is very aggravating, you know....lol |
Car54 | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 01:17 pm     I think Rob and Deena, who could have taken each other to the end are going to over play and take each other out. Deena is really really smart, but I am not sure she realizes what a fruitcake Rob is and how impressionable he is. He has been all over the place every single episode. We have no reason to think that will change. If you are going to the end, you need to be able to rely on your partner. I think there is a good possibility of Alex going before Dave...Dave is my dark horse...if he goes out of sequence it screws EVERYTHING up. This week should clear some things up. I still think Matt is going to the end, and I am watching Jenna very very closely. He is the crocodile, she is the spider. MB does not give people symbols if they are short lived. They have been in every single episode...just waiting and dancing around the edge of things. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 01:48 pm     Twitchy eye day 4 and counting. Hi Webkitty, don't forget that it is not just enough for them to fulfill their weight loss spoilers, but that they don't get booted with enough time for them to put a lot of weight back on. Does that make sense? If Deena gets booted too soon, she will have too much time to eat normally (and then some) before she returns home. That's why there is such a big difference between X lost 25 pounds and X returned home 25 pounds thinner. Deena returned home significantly thinner. I'm thinking F5 at least. Still think there is a good possibility she is the F2 woman, but that may just be wishful thinking on my part. Someone made a good point at another site that the statement "best looking by the end" or "looks better by the end" implies a transformation significant enough to be noticed which is another argument against it being Jenna. Granted, she may be noticed more by the men than she was initially, but that isn't really what is implied. Physically she has probably changed the least out of all of everyone and we are already just about at the halfway point. It just doesn't add up for either of them, really. Deena is transforming more, but she is certainly not in her early twenties, and, of course, Jenna's name and age is a match for CO's spoiler. I think Dave will go next. If the mask challenge is like the coconut challenge, he will not win immunity. He is not part of the core alliance, Deena views him as a physical threat, and Rob is going to be threatened by his flirting with Heidi. Too many people will be gunning for his masks. Granny, I will email TVCLUB2 on Tuesday or thereabouts, but am still staying offline more than usual. Just didn't want you to think I would forget you guys. I'm logging off now. My eye is worse when I'm online. |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:37 pm     Hi Herm, glad to see your feeling at least a *little* better. The thing with Jenna and the F2 postition. ChillOne also said that his intel wrote down her name for him. He wrote "Jana". And, like I said, weight loss was never mentioned as a "hotness" factor by ChillOne's intel. Jenna is in a perfect position right now to go all the way. She has an alliance with the majority, AND another seperate, secret alliance with just Heidi. Plus, Rob had stated that he would like Jenna and Heidi to be his final three. So, she is liquid, with more than one option, and has show she can ADAPT. She is also well liked by everyone there. Remember when Jambaru was breaking down camp for the merge, and someone (I would have to review my tape) said thankyou Jenna for bringing us all together, and she said, awww, no problem you guys. The thing is, I don't think she really thought it out that much, she is not a schemer like her buddy Heidi. I think she is sort of Forrest Gumping her way through this. I don't think she ever had a strategy beyond flirting with the boys, and that didn't work out for her at the start. She has told Deena that she doesn't think she can ever win an individual immunity. She was probably just being honest, but it was a smart move. She will not be targeted as an immunity threat. I really think there is a shake up coming. I think it will play out over ep8 & 9, and when its over, Rob will be left with his dream alliance of Jenna and Heidi, but then there will ANOTHER shake up that will get Rob and Heidi booted because they are playing the game too hard, they want power too much. In between, Alex goes. Who's left? Butch, Christy, Matt and Jenna, the four that were most adaptable, the four who went along with the flow, the four who wanted power the least. Then its just up to immunity, and Matt goes on a run, and takes the one who he feels closest too, Jenna. |
Webkitty | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:52 pm     CAr, your right about the crocodile and the spider. Matt and Jenna are the only ones given symbols like that. They are dancing, or just relaxing, around the swirling vortex. This should get very, very interesing. |
Csnog | Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 05:36 pm     I remember an interview that Jeff had before Amazon started. In it one thing stuck in my mind. We are going to "like" this years winner. I wondered at the time about how many people know the winner before the first show is aired. He apparently looked at the votes. Who do we like on the show? Christy and Butch so far. |
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