Why We Rarely Seem to Like the Winner?
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Jimmer

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I’ve noticed an interesting phenomenon with respect to the Survivor series. Inevitably, the winner is not a popular choice with the viewing audience. All you have to do is go back over the numerous Survivor seasons. The only truly popular choice with the viewers over six seasons was Ethan in Survivor Africa (a deadly season, but we won’t go there). Rich wasn’t a popular winner, people were indifferent to Tina’s win (preference Colby), Vecepia was very unpopular (preference Kathy), and Brian wasn’t very popular (preference Helen).

Why does Burnett edit the show so that the winner is not a popular choice? It must be editing because the survivors see something in the winner that causes them to vote the way they do and not along the lines of the viewing public?

Mamaanja

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My problem with the outcome is I want more details on WHY the jury voted for these people. If they could give us a thought out, reasonable answer I would feel better about who wins. I was totally frustrated by Christy's silly answer "I was outwitted, etc". BS!!! And I was shocked that Rob voted for her too. I thought he had an alliance with Matt? I guess the combination of peanut butter and na na's is a good way to get votes. It worked for Lisa in BB3, didn't it?

There is something we weren't shown! Why was Matt so much preferred by the viewers? Either fix the editing or make the jury tell us WHY they vote the way they do. Show us the confessionals!

Essence

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree editing might have something to do with it, but I also think that jury members are somewhat bitter when they have to vote and it has nothing to do with the way someone played the game. Pride may be another factor...for ex. how can Rob let people say that his 'student' beat him in the game of Survivor?

I would love to know the real reasons behind Christy, Rob and Deena's votes for Jenna.

On a side note, the only Survivor winners that I have not found objectionable were Rich (he was the 'mastermind' of that season), Vee (under the radar didn't bother me, she wasn't mean spirited or nasty to anyone), and Brian (he played a great game and the right people). I am probably the only person around here that did not like Ethan.

Back2reality

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just wonder how many of them would have liked to change their votes after actually seeing the whole show.

Misslibra

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It'a simple If your fav won then your happy if your fav didn't win then your not to happy. :)

Csnog

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
MB got his revenge with the net watchers this season.

He wants an interesting good show and his editing for this one led us in different directions because we knew who was in final 2 due to C1.

Jenna did very little to contribute to the camp and survive the elements. Most of us thought she didn't DESERVE to win.

The problem I have with MB is his final IC and it should be changed.

I don't think it was fair for the men on the balance. He knew Jenna could win it and he would get his female in F2.

What he can't manipulate is the vote. The jury is starting to vote for personal reasons, example Denna's and Christy's vote. They voted for gender.

Dave didn't vote for Matt because he thinks he's more intelligent than Matt.

Alex let personal feelings decide his vote.

Rob thought that Matt was his student and therefore a student should not win.

Butch spent the most time with Matt and truly believed Matt deserved it.

Whether we like the winner depends on the final IC and the voters personal feelings.

Tabbyking

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i was disappointed in jenna winning; however, it shows i can go and sit on my buttocks, laze the days away, whine and get paid for it! i would rather have had rob win and he was not my favorite--he just played hard and had so many alliances going, he was confused himself!
what does bother me is the spoilers that had jenna and matt from the beginning because someone who actually was there spilled his or her guts. i would like to be really surprised at the end and not have it in my head for 2 months who the final 2 are. i hope the next survivor, no one tells us the end. i mostly wanted things to go different at the end, so i was hoping there wasn't really a person who spoiled back at the beginning with the correct info.

Gina8642

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Out of the final 4 I really didn't want any of them to win, so I don't know who I would have been really happy with....

So, I am dissappointed that Jenna won, especially by a landslide. I liked many of the jury members and are dissappointed they didn't see the quality of Matt's game. All along Jenna was edited to be a manipulative, immature, whiny, baby, with a very pretty smile.

In the end, I think the editing once again hid alot. They had to make it look like Matt had some chance, and they did that sucessfully. At least they didn't edit Jenna right out of the show like they had to do with Vecepia to hide her (Vecepia's) likely victory.

Remember several episodes back, everyone on the spoiler sites were saying Matt has no chance because everyone liked Jenna. That is when the negative editing started going really strong against her and Matt's better qualities were shown off.

In the end, only Heidi really gave me the creeps. She is the only one I would have been completely disgusted to see win. She still seems to not understand fully why people have found her so distastful.

Good luck to Jenna, I do hope she takes this as a chance to improve herself. I think she'd make a cute host of a wildlife show (one of her ambitions).

Tabbyking

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i just don't see her 'cute girl', lazy, 'i just want to quit' attitude worthy of $25,640 a day! it totally backs her view, at the mighty age of 21, that pretty girls do win.

Crazydog

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's difficult to talk about popularity because everyone has a different opinion. I think it is generalizing to say which winners were or were not unpopular. That's why I think it is difficult to assert the winner is edited to look unpopular because there is always some segment of the population that really likes them.

I am with you Essence, I am one of the only ones around here who didn't like Ethan. Everyone here thinks he walks on water and I found him to be incredibly boring. I disliked Ethan, Richard Hatch and Brian forgot his last name already. I liked Tina. I must be one of the only people around here who really liked Vecepia, and Jenna.

Jasper

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Diversity, isn't it great!

I too did not want Ethan to win, I wanted Lex to win actually. I had Richard pegged from the start and I really enjoyed him and Brian. Yes I would have preferred Matt to win this one and Vecepia who? Kathy was robbed! lol and Australia, I am in a minority here, I thought it was a snooze and couldn't have cared less who won that one. It is the least favourite Survivor for me.

Allietex

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think some of the reasons the audience often does not like the winner are;

1. We see things in the confessionals and the interaction between people that the jury members do not see, especially before the merge. We see the laughing behind the back, the scarcastic remarks, the backstabbing, etc. The jury often is unaware of these things. Remember in the past when some of the people on Suvivor said they would have voted differently if they had seen the show first.

2. Editing. The editing obviously has to make a difference. They are out there 39 days. That is about 936 hours. We see one hour a week. So while we see things the jury members do not see, they see things we do not see. There is a lot more going on than we ever see. The editors make the decision on what to show, but it may not include incidences that are really important to the jury members, for the simple reason that they do not know what is important to them. They try to find dramatic moments and some moments that give us an idea of what it is like to be there. And face it, they are trying to lead us to the wrong conclusion to keep the show interesting. It is inevitable that important stuff is going to be cut.

3. The people on the jury have their own agendas and feelings. I think some of the analysis of the jury this year is right on the money.
I think Alex was definately jealous of Matt.
I think Deena was motivated completely by the gender issue. She would have voted for any woman against any man.
Heidi was obvious. She was Jenna's friend.
Butch voted for the person he thought did the most to get there, and he liked Matt. I think his vote was the most honest and true to the spirt of the game.
Dave's vote was pure spite.
I sort of believe that Christy gave into pressure from the other women, the idea that don't let the guys beat us. And I also believe that she bought Jenna's explanation of her "handicapped" statement and her apology.
I have a lot of respect for Rob's vote. I think Rob guessed that Matt threw the last challenge. Gosh, it was so obvious, and Rob is pretty astute when it comes to people's motivations. He felt Matt had deliberatly left him out there to dry. I think that was why he tried to make a deal with Jenna. If Matt had won and was true to his word, then Rob would have been in the final two with a good chance to win. And I think Rob would have taken Matt. I don't blame him for voting Matt out.When Matt was buttering him up in his who should have won speech, you could see by Rob's face that he was not taken in.

4. Some of the characteristics that the people have to get to the top are not things that endear us to them. They either lie, backstab, betray, and deceive or they fly under the radar and ride someone elses coattails to the finals. It is rare when a really nice person like gets to the end of a reality show. We may admire them but we don't like them.

JMHO for what it's worth.

Gidget

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I respectfully disagree misslibra. I thoroughly don't like Jenna or the type of woman she represents. Yet I could easily accept her winning by a majority vote. It's the 6-1 thing I can't deal with.

Deanna didn't surprise my too much. I do think her leaning was towards any woman.

Rob and the protege surpassing the master didn't surprise me either.

But hey Christy. You lost a ton of cache in my book.

And duh Dave, did you not spend the night with Jenna and say how detrimental she was to her tribe and stupid to spill her guts? Or maybe I'm the duh one. A night in the jungle with a beautiful girl...