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Hummingbird

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What an unbelievably stupid move! How do they expect to win challenged voting off one of their strongest players? I didn't like Johanna either but she pulled her weight.

Hummingbird

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
*challenges

Pamy

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Deena more after tonite. I loved what she said about Christy at TC.
Heidi really needs to get over herself! Jenna too. I don't think either one of them are as pretty as they seem to think they are.

Tabbyking

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah, i agree about shawna's 'christy vote'--she couldn't vote for herself and if she voted for joanna, joanna was sure to go...which she did anyway, but i can see where shawna was coming from.

Seamonkey

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 09:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You speak the truth, Pamy :)

Did anyone catch which guy kissed the idol?? Hoping it was Rob.

Djgirl5235

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 04:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm pretty sure that next week is the merge. If you remember back (they didn't do it in Thailand), there has always been a female & a male overnight to discuss the new tribe, ie., place to live, name of tribe etc...

For the first one it was Jenna & Shawn
For the second one they mixed it up a little, and sent the girls from one camp to the other, and the guys from the other camp, you get the drift.
In Africa, I can barely remember Africa... too boring...
In Marquesas, it was Boston Rob & Kathy

So, it looks as if we are definitely getting an early merge.

By the way, I thought I was going to throw up if I heard "We're so cute, we're so pretty, we have better bodies" Okay, you look like a skeleton, both of you, and Shawna's just to wrapped up in her self-pity to join in the fray...

Webkitty

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 06:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
DJ, I agree, I think next week will the merge too.
Yes, it was annoying to hear Heidi go on about how cute she was. (btw, I read at SS that Jenna's comments were taken from the first show, ummmmm)

I have seen comments around the internet about how "stupid" the women were for voting off a physically strong player (Joanna)
Actually, since it looks like there will an early merge next week, it was a smart move. Individual immunity challenges are coming up. They all said she was a strong competitor, and needed to go for that reason. They will also have the men to help with the camp, they don't need her anymore. Some may argue that they didn't know a merge was coming, but there has never been a Survivor without one. I think they knew a merge was coming, and something tells me they knew it would be an early one. Whoever goes next week might tell us if this is so, but we may never know.
I also think that, although annoying, Heidi/Jenna/Shawna had a good strategy to vote as a block. They brought in Deena as a saftey net, also a good idea, since it looks like Shawna has dropped out of the alliance, and isn't long for the game. Then, they brought Christy on board.
The spoilers out there put Jenna/Heidi/Christy as doing well in this game. Deena and Jeanne are still up in the air, but since Jeanne is the odd one out, I see her going before the new core womens alliance of Heidi/Jenna/Christy/Deena. Four votes going into the merge, a good place to be.
Unless its been hidden from us, the men don't have a strong voting block like this, a disadvantage going into the merge. The women can pick off whoever they feel is the biggest threat from the men.
No matter what you think of their personal values, the women (and Heidi/Jenna in paticular) are not stupid in the context of this game. In the end, their pre-occupation with their looks might come back to bite them, but for now, their strategy is sound. Jmo

Ladytex

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, we almost made a whole thread without someone posting spoilers.
Other than the non-spoiler thread. I thought this thread was for discussing the show ...

Marameko

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Soon the "cute " girls will turn on one another....Who would imagine in the year 2003 that supposedly intelligent women would have the nerve to verbalize such a thought as "the cute girls" vs the "older women". I want Heidi gone, vamoos, outta here.

Tatyana

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't believe I forgot to pick the bonus points when I made changes to my team. :( All that fishing down the drain.

Jane_Bond

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Excerpted from Webkitty's post in "Tonight's Show" thread (March 6/7):
"The spoilers out there put Jenna/Heidi/Christy as doing well in this game... the new core womens alliance of Heidi/Jenna/Christy/Deena. Four votes going into the merge, a good place to be.

Unless its been hidden from us, the men don't have a strong voting block like this, a disadvantage going into the merge."

This got me thinking - since the winner's alliance(s) is often kept secret through most of the season so that the winning alliances seem to be UTR, I am wondering if this apparent absence of a male voting block/alliance is MB editing to help conceal the final few. I would definately put Butch right in the middle of this as he is generally well-liked and a very UTR player in general.

I mean, the men seemed to vote together for at least Dan (can't remember Ryan's vote outcomes) so I think that there are much more cohesive units in existence in Tambaqui than we are shown.

I know it's a bit scattered in the telling, but what are other thoughts on this?

Rslover

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 07:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That Heidi is something else the way she goes on and on about their looks and bodies. I have a name for those three - the "booby prizes".

Auntiemike

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My two cents worth: It does seem rather sad that in this day and age there are women so totally obsessed with their outer appearance, as if that has more value. I am especially disturbed about the "I'm cute" rhetoric coming from a teacher! Hope she isn't teaching that attitude to her students! It would be so much more refreshing to see women work on inner beauty, for example: humility, kindness, generousity, positive attitudes, etc. Looks can change but character can only be improved. Go Deena and Christy!!!

Weenerlobo

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was wondering what kind of comments would be in here regarding the "cute girls." They really really ticked me off last nite. And then I was even more ticked off at Deena for joining in with them and booting Joanna. I thought the "older women" would band together and start picking off the <mod14> for sure. However, if, like Webkitty's post mentions, they are planning ahead for a merge, I will grudgingly admit to the logic. That cute-girl alliance is gonna crumble once the men enter the scene. Then maybe we'll get to see how cute they are with fangs and claws bared. Shees.

My favorite is Christy. I admire her and have from the first show.

Webkitty

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lol Wee, (about the fangs and claws) I agree. There is nothing likable about Heidi and I want her gone!
I'm still out on Jenna, something tells me she isn't as bad, but seems so from her association with Heidi, but I could be wrong.

I was just pointing out that voting off Joanna was actually a smart move. (NOT stupid, as I have seen roaming around the internet)
Deena thought it through last night. She could see Shawna was not up to the game, when the merge comes, she wouldn't be a threat for immunity. So, why vote her off now? Joanna, on the other hand, was still strong in mind and body, a huge threat from all angles.
I still think they had wind of an early merge, why else would they all say when voting at TC that Joanna was competiton? If they thought they were going to be men vrs women for a while longer, then yes, voting Joanna off now might not be the smartest move.

I also don't think this alliance will crumble when the tribes merge. History tells us that the strongest alliances that stick together no matter what, take the players far. As much as Heidi talks her game of female charms, I think she sees the value in sticking with the alliance. Unfortunately, this might mean she's around a while to aggrivate us all, lol.

I like Christy too, and I was happy to see her being invited into the alliance. I hope it takes her far.

Jane, your theory of a hidden mens alliance makes sense. Speculation says that two males make it far, there must be something that we are not being shown. The focus of editing is on the women right now. The outrage we feel at Heidi's philosphy on life is keeping us tuned in, waiting for her demise. Clever, clever Mark Burnett...

Denecee

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm wondering if Deena/Christy/Joanna/Jeane know how much Heidi [LC] and Jenna Jo are telling the camera they are so much cuter, younger, etc. I'm just thinking that if they actually knew that those two plan on using their so called good looks when the merge takes place that they would try to break up that alliance before the merge. You know a few of the guys will fall for that crap. Deena IMO was not to smart to go with that alliance but since she did, Christy was smart to follow her lead.

Weenerlobo

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang, slap my wrist! I almost never post in Survivor and both times today I got moderated! (Is that the right phrase?) I am so embarrassed! Sorry Mods! I honestly didn't know or I would have changed my wording!

<crawling back into Survivor Luker mode>

Car54

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Joanna said on the Early Show this morning that she did not know how big an issue the "looks" were with the younger women. She just knew she had not formed any bonds out there except with Jeanne.

Moderator

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No reason to be embarassed, Weener. The potential to bash the three "cuties" is great, so we are gonna be keeping a tight watch. No personal offense intended. :)


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Tntitanfan

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Was it in Africa where we had the "cool" group? They all muddle together in my head after a while! The "beautiful bods" gals remind me - not pleasantly - of that group!

Brenda1966

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang! I keep forgetting to watch the early show.

Heidi makes me sick. She's all teeth and fake boobs. I wouldn't mind disliking her so much except for the fact that she's a teacher. I wouldn't want anyone with her attitude about pretty vs non-pretty teaching my kid anything. I never liked gym teachers (my apologies to any who are here) and am reminded of what Kevin Arnold said in The Wonder Years: "Those who can, do. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, teach gym."

So glad to see Christy being included in the voting block. I think getting rid of Joanna was a good idea. She's volatile and not someone who could be trusted or manipulated, she's also annoying as h***.

Weenerlobo

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<smiling sheepishly at Mod 14 from Survivor Lurker Mode> Thanks

Twiggyish

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Brenda, I now plenty of teachers who work because they love their jobs. They have opportunities to do other things, but they stay because they love their jobs. (I know off topic)..ok, I do agree about Heidi. She's a piece of work!

One point which has been bugging me about Heidi's attitude towards Christy.... I NEVER hear Heidi talk about Christy as being one of the "cute or pretty" ones. She totally leaves her out.

Tabbyking

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
brenda, that quote originally belongs to woody allen from a movie back in the 70's, but it's a good one!

Brenda1966

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggy, beleive me I have the utmost respect for teachers (they are so underpaid), all except for gym teachers, who I think love to torture children. :) Can you tell my favorite subject wasn't gym?

My daughter is only 1, but the "teachers" at her daycare have such a love for the kids, I just can't see Heidi having that. I see her judging them because they aren't "pretty" or skinny or because their mom is old and fat. I remember all my gym teachers being physically fit, brutally so. Why is Heidi so weak?

Tabby, yeah, I think I've seen the Woody Allen film. I think I've seen them all because I adore him. I just always think of that dorky gym teacher in the Wonder Years, the one who made them climb a rope and tried to teach them sex-ed. What a great show.

Back on topic... Heidi doesn't include Christy as pretty because Christy isn't rail thin and she isn't vain.