Archive through October 11, 2002
TV ClubHouse: Archives: Clay Jordan:
Archive through October 11, 2002
Risa | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:04 pm     I loved Clay at first but now I don't. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:05 pm     I started to look at him differently after his comments last week about "whupping its ass and sending it back to bed" in regards to his 2-year old child. Didn't favorably impress me tonight either although I can't really explain why. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:06 pm     I think he uses humor inappropriately. Maybe that's it. |
Wiseolowl | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:07 pm     Funny how opinions change from week to week . He didn't come across well at all but am going to wait and see for awile just in case he got badly edited. He does appear to have more than just a golf handicap. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:00 pm     I didn't care for him at the start and still don't. I want him to leave before he redeems himself because I dont want to like him.  |
Tabbyking | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:29 pm     clay's kids are 17 and 23 and i think ghandia did overdo it. my take on it was i don't believe clay meant child abuse, he meant she was acting like a 2-year-old. however, all of a sudden clay is the sarah of the group, lying around right in the midst of everyone working. i liked him fine til tonight and now i hope he goes next. it's like he just ran out of gas and won't even push the car! hell, he climbed in the backseat to take a nap! then helen should go next...i know she said she worked at a rape crisis center, but she should have known not to run to someone else and spread the story without thinking calmly about it and asking the right questions of ghandia and maybe seeking ted out for a quiet meeting. i am looking forward to seeing what ghandia says after a few months have passed when she is on the morning program. i do hope she got things together at home. i am liking jan more and brian is still pretty high on my like list. |
Lancecrossfire | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:37 pm     The one thing he did tonight to drop in my book was when he voted. His vote was a total lack of respect for Ghandia. And it was done in a public forum at a time that would send her off. The vye-bye part was was over the line as well. Although Jeff said don't use nicknames, he continually used them in the other Survivors, including during votes (General, Little Kim, and others). I think he didn't like not knowing what was going on. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:55 pm     i agree, that was totally rude and uncalled for. it was like she wasn't even worth using her given name for. that was weird about jeff saying that. he was pretty pissed. and you are right, jeff used the nicknames himself and some people voted by using 'general' rather than his real name. i think the 'diva' part got jeff. it sure got me. totally uncalled for. |
Mygetaway | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:17 pm     Nope.. No longer like Clay. I was thinking maybe he'd be the nerdy underdog, but NOPE!! Don't like him. Don't like Brian anymore either. Sook Jai is looking better and better. |
Riviere | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:07 am     Hmmm, I like Clay better than ever! He saw thru Ghandia's recent nonsense just as fast & easy as the other men, and finally Helen got the vibe it was not Clay disrupting the tribe, it was 'diva' or whatever they called her, within ten days??? No wonder the men didn't want to hang out or do much with the women, Ghandia's mouth kept that nonsense running driving the wedge. I have been married 4 times and have never met any man who'd choose to be near a mad woman or gripe session of women, they'd rather walk away hoping it cools, don't they? Ghandia's exit speech proved she did it deliberately, she didn't even care if Clay or Ted was evicted, as long as it was a guy and she had 'sympathy' from the women. Clay's comment on Ghandia acting like a child was right on! Now that she's permanently timed out I'd like to see this tribe pull together again and lose that Big Brother he said-she said tension. Clay is very on target with his observations and now that the tribe's wet blanket is gone, I hope he has more energy. If I'd been stuck with Ghandia's crap even a week I'd probably walked off to nap every chance I got, too, drained emotionally putting up with her visible anger. As a woman, I was very disappointed in Ghandia's ploy to make it an all female tribe. I'd love to know what Helen thinks after seeing Ghandia voted for her week 1, too. Hang in there, Clay! You've ditched the weakest link and it's time to recharge tribe vitality!
|
Hermione69 | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 04:21 am     As someone who had to go into therapy for issues stemming from abuse, I can tell you that several therapists recommend Ghandia's "childish behavior" (kickboxing, rock-throwing and a good scream) as a healthy way to get anger out of the system. Since I don't know her motivations, I'm not going to judge her for that. That's part of why Clay's comments bothered me. I still don't like how she handled it within the tribe (he said/she said), but that was last week so moving on.... I don't think Ghandia wanted it to be an all-women tribe for anything but strategic purposes to save her butt. Nice try, can't really blame her since that's the game and she knew she would be next if she didn't try something, but didn't work. It was her time to go. I thought Clay came across as childish with his comments. Like I said in an earlier post, I think he uses humor inappropriately and he reminds me of students that I work with who try to get laughs at other's people's expense. Not funny in my book. I haven't written him off yet, but that is two straight episodes that he has diminished himself in my eyes. Of course that is MHO and all that other disclaimer stuff. |
Earthmother | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:24 am     I liked Clay and hope I will again, but last night I wanted to slap him. I can completely understand why the guys didn't want to sit around and listen to Ghandia spout off (like her little LOVE song_) but his comments and lack of help were disheartning. I'm hoping Brian was joking about the role of women on the island or I might just change my mind about him too. I can see without any reservations how Ted felt about Ghandia. She took a situation and blew it so out of proportion that he felt violated as well. I hope this tribe can pull themselves together and finally pull it out. I do hope they change tribes this year and Stephanie can move to CG, where her efforts will be appreciated. |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:27 am     Earthmother, good post. I like everything you said and you said it well. I would also like to see Stephanie on CG. I think we would see a whole other side of her and I would like that. |
Wiseolowl | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:56 am     It's interesting that almost all of the posts that are showing interest relate to the old tribe - still haven't gotten those stupid names down. Point is, the young tribe seems pretty bland - they aren't getting a lot of coverage from the producers, but I suspect that they are just plain boring. Maybe you have to be over thirty to be one of the "real people" as our old friend Kent used to describe them. The young ones , I suspect just want to be cool- which means you say little, do little that draws attention or controversy - look good, talk about intragenerational banalities etc. Exception -Robb who has a zest for life and Shiann who has smarts. Whatever you say about Clay, at least he's a real person. |
Skypilot | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:23 am     Hi Everyone. I'm a longtime lurker from the Big Brother days. Finally, decided to throw my hat in the ring. Will hold off on posting my opinions until I verify that this post goes through. Looking forward to chatting with you all. |
Spygirl | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:57 am     Welcome |
Brenda1966 | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:17 am     Clay reminds me a bit of Rudy (although not as funny). He's old-school, politically incorrect, and willing to speak his mind. Sure he could probably pitch in more, but I can't say I blame him for wanting to keep far away from the women when they're just being crabby. He worked his butt off in that 'carry the dummy' challenge so he deserved a rest. I think he's okay so far. |
Chiparock | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 11:28 am     Glad to have you join us, Skypilot! Please share your opinions; we'd love to hear your thoughts. |
Ladytex | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:07 pm     Clay went way down in my estimation last night. I hope he redeems himself, or that someone does, because right now I'm not liking anyone in that tribe. |
Skypilot | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 12:19 pm     Thanks for the warm welcome Spygirl and Chiparock. I am new at this so bear with me. I missed the first episode of this Survivor series so I was wondering if anyone had noticed any tension between Clay and Ghandia from the very beginning. He was going on last night about how he knew that she was trouble right from the beginning. I was skeptical because some people have a tendency to say that they knew a thing all along after it becomes obvious to all. Am trying not make this segue into a post about Ghandia but am just curious about what might have transpired between her and Clay earlier. And correct me if I'm wrong but when Clay was talking about how he knew that Ghandia would be trouble, was there a shot of Ghandia walking around naked. I could have sworn I saw footage of her (from an earlier occasion) that was blurred out giving the impression that she was doing a Richard Hatch. Did they show that during Clay's rant or at some other point in the show? You guys are better at remembering specific details. I'll catch up soon. |
Wiseolowl | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:01 pm     I watched last night's episode twice. The first time I didn't notice anything , but after reading the boards ,I specifically watched for Ghandia - and you really can't tell-in my HO - whether she was naked or not. What if she was, do we know the circumstance? I dislike this women but in all fairness, I doubt that she was flounting herself . Remember, these people are living together 24 hours a day and if she was naked I suspect that she felt safe from the others around - if not the cameras. |
Jkm | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:14 pm     I think Clay wrote that Denver Diva stuff - because he couldn't spell Ghandia. Just like Ted only wrote a G. |
Tabbyking | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:19 pm     brian was definitely kidding when he made his comment. he made a little face and had an impish smile when he said it and it was clear to me he meant it to be ridiculous. i was surprised at helen saying how women had to just know when men were being a certain way and not being helpful or being annoying... when she made her comment about having to 'just swallow it, i was thinking "swallow what?!" with ghandia's talk and behavior belying her, "i just want it to be over and we don't have to bring it up again" words, i was glad she was gone. she talked it to death. remember the expression she 'doth protesteth too much' or however it exactly goes?...i feel that even those who 'believed her' or 'took her side' were just getting tired of the broken record. she would say she wanted to move on, but not do so. |
Skypilot | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:31 pm     Hi Wiseolowl. I only brought up the "naked" thing because I thought that I remembered it being shown while Clay was going on about Ghandia being "trouble". In other words I just thought it was an interesting piece of editing considering everything that has gone on so far. If that shot of her was in fact shown during Clay's rant then I'm sure the producers expected viewers to consider her wandering around naked in the context of everything that has transpired between her and Ted- although there is no way of knowing if that shot was taken before or after the trouble started. I'm actually still not sure how I feel about Ghandia. She definitely has some issues but I get the feeling she realized it and tried to cope with it as best she could. She didn't do a good job but I think she tried. Just the fact that she admitted to Ted that some people say that she brings these situations on herself in whatever way says something. The more I think about it the more I think that she was actually a bit hurt that Ted had stopped speaking to her and not to diss Ted but I kind of wish he had put his anger aside and done so. I know this is a Clay Jordan thread so I will try to stay on topic from here on out. |
Ariasmum | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:33 pm     Yo, Tabbyking, I agree with your comments, but you didn't mention anything about Clay? Come on, it's his thread! Poor little overlooked weasle! (I'm just kidding, don't come after me *****Ariasmum slinks away******) |
|