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Hermione69 | Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 06:43 pm     Okay, this is INTERESTING. I was just at Sux and the spoiler that puts Ted in the Final 3 is believed by several people to have been validated because of tonight's show. The original posts with spoiler information were all been deleted in September (kinda like G-Diva's) and there there seems to be some confusion over exactly what was said, but the belief that Ted is in the F3 is definitely being resurrected and the interesting thing about that is the source apparently said that Ted is in the F3 with a man and a girl which would therefore mean it can't be a Ted, Brian, Clay final 3 and therefore can't be a Clay, Brian final two. I'm not really doing anything here but passing this information on. I'd like to see some more people comment on it at Sux first. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:00 pm     BTW, I got the part about the source putting Ted in the F3 with a guy and girl from the beginning of the thread that talks about it. The thread is titled "Ted (Final 3) (NT)" and the first page of messages talks about him being there with a guy and a girl per the original post. |
Webkitty | Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:11 pm     Hermione, I saw that too. I posted in another thread about this. I can't see how Ted's brother would know he makes it to F3. I'm sure the relatives were whisked right away. Even if they were not, lets say they got to spend the night with their relative *cough* his brother wouldn't STILL be there at F3. Unless, Ted spilled the beans to his brother when he got home, and his brother passed the info on to Fudgenut, maybe with too much alcohol at a party or something. (most likely scenario) That leaves Helen and Jan as next to go. Maybe Helen's play to outst Clay backfires next week. Since it looks like Ted knows she wants Clay out from the writing in the sand that was show in the previews, he could take this info to Brian, knowing now that Brian is tighter with Clay, and use it to vote Helen out. As far as Jan goes, I've said it before, the rest need to be looking around now to see who has caused the least disruption, who might get the vote at the end, its Jan. I would rather take someone who is not liked, who has ruffled feathers. MB has not edited Jan like this and she's dangerious for this reason at this point in the game. (if you want to win the million and not take second place) Unless, they end up voting for who outplayed them, in which case it would have to be Brian  |
Hermione69 | Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:24 pm     Thats a really good point that maybe Helen wrote that in the sand to Ted and he took it back to Brian. I also agree that it doesn't look good for Jan. Poor, sweet, batty lady! The only thing is not much was shown of her tonight. Clay and Helen definitely got the storyline tonight. Of course Helen would to some extent because of her husband, but still. The people with a lot of air time one episode often end up beind voted off the next. Erin was truly one exception to that general rule. I don't know what to make of the F3 spoiler either. Like I said, several people at Sux seem to be revalidating it because of tonight and it does put Ted there with a female. I just don't want the TDT to be right, LOL! I don't want Brian to win!! I like him less and less with each episode. There is just something very slimy about him to me. Oh well. I still think it is great that it will be someone from Chuay Gahn, even if it is Brian, after Sook Jai's arrogance after the tribes were selected! No wonder MB played that up so much! Okay, I'm off to watch LOTR. Have a nice night! |
Webkitty | Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:28 pm     I just saw your other post The spoiler I am refering to is the Fudgenut spoiler at Sux. He says he is a friend of Ted's brother. I can't remember any mention of a female at F3. There was another spoiler, (that has since been dissed) that places Ted, a shaggy haired man (Brian) an older woman (Helen or Jan) and a young female in the final 4. No mention of Clay. Penny is gone, so this one does seem to be dead. But, Ted keeps popping up in ALL the spoilers at F3. Unless he came home and spread around mis-information, I am inclined to think he makes it to F3. Jan lives close to me, there have been local stories on her. The reporters seem to think she goes far from their interviews with her. The thing is, even if she gets voted out next week, she DID go far. Ack, I'm tired and am starting to repeat myself! |
Hermione69 | Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:30 pm     I edited my last post a bit and just read yours. I got my info of a female being in the F3 per Fudgenut's Ted spoiler from the earlier posts in that thread. Don't know if anyone will pull that up again or not. And you are right, at this point, they have ALL made it far. Good for them! |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 06:14 am     This episode supports Brian and Clay in F2. No reason Brian would not agree to vote for Clay unless he were honoring an agreement. If he was aligned with Ted and Helen it would not matter in what order the others go. I was shocked to see Helen so loyal. Brian promised to take her to the end??!! What about Helen taking Brian. She has power and does not see it. She easily could have gotton Clay out last night, leaving Brian to vote for Jake. Ted, Jan and Jake would have jumped at the chance. Or maybe not. Maybe Ted is in with Brian and Clay. hmmmmmm |
Pottedplant | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 09:06 am     I saw Jake on the Early show, I am sure he said Jan was on the jury... |
Webkitty | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 09:32 am     Nope, he didn't say that Jan was on the jury. He said that she told him she wanted to MAKE the jury, she wasn't going for the win like the others. That is why he voted for her, because she had made it to jury status, and had accomplished what she went for (so he says, so she said) |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 10:33 am     I heard that too Webkitty. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:29 am     Well, I just lurked at several other boards and people are pretty certain it will be a Clay versus Brian final two. Sux has even locked the thread. Anyone that argued against it got flamed. There's apparently not a lot of room for argument in their opinion. TDT, right now, is picking either Ted or Helen to go next and leaning towards Helen. This is where it is going to get tricky for Brian. Helen wants Clay gone. Brian does not want to boot Clay. Brian has the best chance at beating Clay on the jury against anyone else left, except maybe Ted. But Brian has made alliances with three of the four people left with him-- Helen, Ted and Clay. Or at least, these people think they have alliances with him. Some even wonder if he has an alliance with Jan also because he was giving her directions during the torch snuffing challenge. How is he going to maneuver through these next few TCs without losing his sheep? I also think Sook Jai may have a split vote on the jury. Even the Rotu 4 split their votes and they swore they were going to vote as a bloc. I don't see all the Sooks voting by Jake's orders, especially Penny. Right now Brian looks like the sure thing, but he needs to come out the other end without stepping on a land mine. Clay and Brian were my least favorite of the remaining six to be in the F2, yet it looks like they will be. I have to admit that these two will probably make the best final TC session. I would love to hear the questions to them and their answers. Clay is such a straight-shooter, while Brian is terribly evasive. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:37 am     Locking the thread. Now that is just silly. I am having fun thinking of ways that wont happen just for the hell of it. Nothing much else to do. I guess the mystery is who is next and who will be F3. If Helen is next she will be kicking herself for weeks. Her husband even told her to go after Brian. He saw him as a huge threat. She lost her edge with her blind loyality. You gotta play to win. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:44 am     You nailed it, Fruitbat! It kind of surprises me. I would have thought Helen would be able to keep a better focus and not be so blindly loyal because she is very hungry for the win and the game of Survivor necessitates a degree of healthy skepticism with your alliance. This next episode should be interesting. Sux is scary. Just scary. They can be really nasty over there to those that dare to disagree with the higher powers. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:52 am     I don't mind their snappish ways, really. It is the culture there. They indulge in it and most posters ignore and keep going or come back with a snappy retort of their own and then move on. It is not a board for anyone that tends to get offended, hurt or cannot give it back on occasion. Loveable bunch of hot heads. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:58 am     We have a restaurant in my area that has a infamous reputation for lousy, rude service and great food. Some people go just to see how rude they'll be and the staff takes great pride in their reputation. I guess Sux is kinda like that, but sometimes there seems to be undercurrents of venom that go beyond mere rudeness. I'm not brave enough to post there! LOL! |
Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:02 pm     Brian needs to boot Helen and somehow blame it on Clay....if possible get Ted and Jan to buy in, then he votes someone else, so he can say he did not support it. If he can put it on Clay, and he gets Clay to F2, then there is no way Helen can really find out how it happened she may still vote for him. Clay is the one who can win Fallen Comrades, He could probably also beat Ted at the endurance stuff, Ted seems strong, but he has not done that great at endurance stuff, so may not be able to handle the "pole". We know he had pole control issues during the Ghandia episode. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:20 pm     Yes. This is how it should go. Brian plants the seed that Helen has to be next. He will contend that she is the strongest threat to win, in a very low key way. He sits back and lets the other simmer and convince each other. Ted convinces Jan that none of them can win against her. All of Sook liked her etc. There will be three votes for Helen and two votes for another or two different votes. Helen will leave TC knowing Brian could not have voted for her. He will hug her goodbye or give her a look of sadness or horror. The tricky thing here is he is now a target for not having voted with the group. That is a huge risk. |
Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:24 pm     Nah...he can say he knew they had it covered and just could not do it. It is all in the spin. I also wonder...so many times Jeff stops reading the votes when there is a majority...do they KNOW the last 1 or 2 votes...there is always that chance...that he would never get caught. |
Grooch | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:24 pm     Unless Jeff doesn't read the last votes again. |
Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:25 pm     Jinx! |
Grooch | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:28 pm     Coke! |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:35 pm     True. Jeff would read them all in this case because it would create tension for the other/others to see they got a vote. This is why I think Jan is next. She is the easiest choice. Less of a chance for hard feelings. Time for Helen later. |
Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:49 pm     Yes, but 2 things...if Brian wants an out... to possibly not be involved in booting Helen, he really kind of needs to do it while there are a number of other votes to kind of blur the picture... Helen now knows that Brian did not see things her way...she is gonna be on him somehow to prove his loyalty...and she is gonna push for Clay again and again.... Oh...actually 3 things... And she is strong enough to win challenges...Jan is probably not...so I would boot Helen next. Now understand...I actually LIKE Helen...but if I was playing that is what I would do. I am also still waiting patiently for that damn tie vote to happen so we can see what this season's purple rock is gonna be. |
Webkitty | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:58 pm     Hermione, you are so right about Sux. Usually, they are serious about speculation/spoiling with some crude and disrespectful posts thrown in by a few, (which doesn't bother me if its just a few here and there, sometimes they are funny) but today they ALL seem to have lost their minds! Its like that TDT spoiler just unhinged them all, lol! Anyway, if the spoiler is true, I am going to say that Brian and Clay get to F2 by winning immunity from here on out. Its cutthroat now, and I don't see another way, especially for Clay. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 01:02 pm     I like Helen too Car. I am doing the same thing here. Just tossing ideas around. Lets say Jan goes this week. Brian gets Ted and Clay to vote for Helen. Helen votes Clay and Brian votes Ted. It would still work. Ted would be clued in first and expect it. I would love to see a tie. I doubt we will. I have not been to Sucks today to view the unhinging. I will later. Sounds good. |
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