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Ladytex

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 09:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoami,
Your idea about pairs is similar to a show on Discovery Kids called Endurance. The kids all live together, but are paired off for challenges. The winning team of the Temple challenge, picks two teams to go up to the temple and they have a little competition and only one team returns to the game. The losing team is eliminated.

C1mag

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 12:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think when it gets down to the Jury they ought to suprise those remaining in the game and tell them that the jury will now serve two purposes. Not only will they select the winner but they are the ones who will decide who joins them on the jury panel each week so it would be best if those still in the game just focused on winning that individual immunity throughout the rest of the game. Revenge would definitely be served up early on. That would definitely do away with alliances and the fight durring immunity would be fierce to avoid being vulnerable to the jury selection each week. We sure would see a lot less sucking up to form alliances and see more tempers flare while at camp. I'm with the rest... This season was a snooze and the pagonging needs to be stoped in this game or just put it out to pasture. It's been played out.

By the way... If that Purple Rock idea was the best MB could come up with which was ridiculous to even watch last year then this guy has lost his creative edge. He might as well have them draw names out of a hat each week.

Car54

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 03:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, time to post what I would LOVE to happen...probably won't but we can hope, can't we?

1. Jan and Helen wise up and realize they are guaranteed F4 and F3 if they don't act.
2. One of the two takes the F4 IC.
3. Women vote Brian, Men vote whichever woman does not win IC. Tie.
4. We find out how a tie is resolved... it is shocking and new.
5. Brian is booted
6. Helen or Jan win F3 IC and either one takes Clay...least desirable one to face Jury with...also involves Kathy/Vee like betrayal...more opportunity for drama...

F3 Immunity winner wins it all.

Enough drama for ya?

Fruitbat

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 04:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Take the needle out of your arm, Car.

I would love that too. I find the fake TC with everyone in makeup and 20 pounds heavier just plain dumb. There has got to be a better way. Obviously MB does not want to repeat Survivor 1 for fear of a leak. It was the best climax yet.

I am looking forward to the reunion part but not the end game. Ho hum.

Ginger1218

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I think one of the biggest problems was that the merge came too late. And when they joined the same camp, there were still two tribes and did not get to interract enough. The two tribes did not get to know each other at all, except for maybe Jake. In the past, the tribes had time to know each other, so that when the final vote came, at least you had the feeling that they cared who they voted for and why. This year, none of them really know the other tribe very much. So, I don't think any of them care who the winner is. There was not enough time to develop animosities or friendships.

JMHO

Car54

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, there is a LOT that can/may happen in the last two hours.

In Africa, we lost Tom and Lex and MamaKim came out of nowhere to the Final 2, in Marquesas, it looked like there was no way Kathy could lose it...and Paschel got the Purple Rock, Kathy lost the challenge....and Vee came out of no-where and saved Neleh...all in the last hour.

These are 4 very strong players...I still believe anything can/will happen.

Tabbyking

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think they are allowed to only talk about what has happened 'as far as the viewers have seen' and ted didn't mean they don't know in real life who made the final 2 cut. he meant as far as he was able to mention at this time, this 'time' being a day or two before the rest of the world finds out...just my take on it.

it's similar to TAR contestants being on the morning shows after being booted. it really happened 4 or 5 months ago, but they have to talk as if they were really booted only the night before when we all saw it aired. i would have to take notes to make sure i didn't say something about what happened after that day i was eliminated, and not accidentally throw in something that happened later. remember when one of the grannies said that 'blake would get his' later or something, and we knew he didn't win? they probably slapped her silly once she was off the air on the morning program! lol

i remember the first time i ever caught a survivor episode and seeing the booted person on a talk show the next morning. i didn't realize the survivor filming had taken place months earlier and thought, 'damn, that person cleaned up well in one night!' since then, i learned that only BB is actually run 'live'...

Essence

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This was posted over in the Amazing Race thread, but the article talks about Survivor also, so I thought I'd post it over here too. Not much spoiler value, but interesting.

'Race' battles 'Survivor' to the finish
By Robert Bianco, USA TODAY

The ratings race is not always unto the swift.

Certainly, there is no faster-moving game than The Amazing Race (CBS, 9 ET/PT), which barrels across its finish line in tonight's two-hour finale. Yet in the ratings, this guilt-free pleasure was outpaced in its own time slot by ABC's despicable Bachelor, and it lags far behind CBS' pace-setting Survivor (8 ET/PT), which reaches its own conclusion Thursday.

Last spring, when Survivor was back in the South Pacific and back at the top of its game, that ratings gap may have made sense. But not this fall, not when Race has been swift and sure while the Thai edition of Survivor has been running on fumes.

Compare the contestants: The three teams left on Amazing Race give everyone someone to root for. Survivor doesn't even have anyone to root against.

Thanks to last week's surprise departure of "Wonder Twins" Derek and Drew, who had seemed set to become the third straight Alpha Male team winners, tonight's third Race finale promises to be the closest contest yet. Any one of the surviving racers could take it: married couple Ian and Teri; friends Flo and Zach; or fraternal fan favorites Ken and Gerard, dubbed the "Oh Brothers."

To win, a team has to be the first to get from Ho Chi Minh City to Seattle, by way of Hue, Da Nang and China Beach. For viewers of a certain age, seeing Vietnam used as a game board, with the American players speeding across former battlegrounds, will seem otherworldly. Then again, the players are racing to see who can get out of Vietnam first, which does have a ring of familiarity.

Many of the episodes up to now have focused on this year's villain, Ian, who tends to insult the natives whenever he takes a break from berating his wife. But the finale is dedicated to Flo, who spends most of the two hours screaming at the almost supernaturally patient Zach. ("It was a very distressful situation," Flo tells us, coining a fabulous phrase in the bargain.)

It makes you think the happiest ending would be for Ken and Gerard to win the money, while Zach and Teri win their freedom.

Still, what separates Race from most reality shows is that the squabbles are a byproduct of the game, not the game's only reason for being. The contestants aren't sitting around arguing about who ate all the peanut butter. They're jumping into waterfalls and rowing across rivers, and they can be forgiven if their nerves get a little frayed.

To its credit, Survivor also is headed toward a wide-open final, with no clear favorite among the final four: Brian, Clay, Helen or Jan. To its detriment, there's no favorite because no one could care which one of these monumentally dull contestants wins.

Though this fifth installment of Survivor has not been the worst in the series (that honor still goes to Africa), it has been the most boring. Here you have four people who think it's fun to stare at themselves in a mirror, stuck in a game whose creators think there's endless merriment to be found in putting together jigsaw puzzles.

Ever since that early, seamy moment when one player accused another of "grinding" against her in the night, Survivor: Thailand has settled into its own grinding monotony. Despite some halfhearted attempts to shake up the voting alliances, the show once again settled into a predictable pattern, with the stronger tribe slowly picking off the weaker.

True, no one expected the dominant tribe to be the relative senior citizens of Chuay Gahn, formed by Jan in what seemed to be a death wish. But once they established their dominance, all the editing tricks in the world couldn't obscure the obvious.

Indeed, those tricks themselves have grown tiresome. Even when we can't see where we're going, we can see we're being led, and that alone is enough to ruin the suspense.

The producers had better come up with some new twists before they send this show up the Amazon. Otherwise, the next ratings race may be closer than Survivor would like.

Tashakinz

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
the acme brain trust is now calling Brian as the winner. Bummer.

Grooch

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did they say who was the other person who made it to the final 2?

Tashakinz

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are calling Clay & Brian the final two with Brian the winner.

Tabbyking

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ick.

Grooch

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Double ick.

Still hoping Jan or Helen wins.

Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I really don't care who wins this...they have all played a great game, but now I really really really want someone besides Brian to win. Just to be obstinate.

I was trying to think how MB could have edited Brian any different...but really he has stood out as a cut above your average survivor knucklehead from day 1. I guess it was too hard to hide him.

Tabbyking

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
the only thing worse than having brian win, is having
clayboy win... they give us two 'icks', so when brian wins we can say, "well, at least it wasn't clay!" and if clay wins, "well, at least it wasn't brian!"
i would rather have either of the gals win.

Fruitbat

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just want the spoiler to be wrong. That is all.

I think any are deserving, they have made it to the end. Having said that I don't like the idea of UTR being the winning strategy so that would rule Jan out in my desires. BUT I hate true spoilers even more. Go Jan! or Helen.

Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't want to start a thread just for this,

from CBS.COM

Brian Is The Favorite

(CBS) It's down to just four contestants in tonight's final episode of "Survivor: Thailand" in which Brian, Clay, Helen and Jan will be vying for the million dollar prize.

Immunity is the only way for the contestants to control their fate. But there are certain qualities former "Survivor" winner Vecepia Towery from “Survivor: Marquesas” has found in Brian Heidik that she says may put him in the winning spot.

“From the beginning, I had Brian pegged. From the first minute I saw him. He's a used car salesman. He's got that gift of gab. And he knows how to be quiet when he needs to be quiet. And talk when he needs to talk. He's playing a great game,” she says.

“Survivor: Africa” winner Ethan Zohn agrees. “I think Brian's going to take the cake, for sure. When it first started, I thought Jake and Brian. But I think Brian's playing extremely well.”

Brian's strategy has been to fly low under the radar, much the way the former winners did.

“You always have people who are going to step up and be the loud mouths or the boisterous ones. So why not take the back seat and let them weed themselves out. And he did that excellently. We really did not see him really flourish until about episode six or seven. So it's a smart way to play it,” says Vescepia.

Once contestants get to the final four, former winners agree, the best way to guarantee first place is to take the least likable character along for the ride. In this case, Clay will have that role.

“Right now, they're looking at the jury. Obviously, they want to win immunity but they're looking at the jury, as well. I think the best chance to win is against Clay,” says Ethan.

“Most definitely,” says Vecepia. “If you look at the four people that are left, Helen hasn't made any bad blood. Jan has just been the sweetest thing out there. Clay has mixed it up a little bit with some of the people on the jury, so why not take him? Because you know you pretty much have a sure shot.”

As for the changes that took place in the game this time around, both Vecepia and Ethan say they were happy with them. This season, two team captains got to pick their teams.

“I thought it was great. They got to mix it up. They got to keep it fresh. Just like grade school, you know,” says Ethan.

“I loved the fact that they really underestimated Jan's selection. You really can't judge a book by its cover from the beginning. You've got to wait and see it out and it panned out excellently,” says Vecepia.

The tribe that emerged victorious looked at first like the weaker team, because its contestants were older and not as physically fit as thos eon the other team. But they ended up making it to the very end.

“The hand-to-hand combat was awesome,"says Vecepia. "If they would have had that in Marquesas, that would have blown our season away. But they didn't. But this season, the thing I like about it, is there was so much hand-to-hand. The younger team was younger but it didn't look like the women were as physical as the other ones. So it definitely evened itself out,” says Vecepia.

“It was like 'American Gladiators.' You know, to actually get to physically touch - you could dislike someone. And now you get to touch them and push them off. That's a little rewarding,” says Ethan.

As for how much of their money is left in the bank, Vecepia says she has probably about $380,000 waiting for Uncle Sam to get his last bid in April.
Ethan has a little bit left. With his money, he says, he bought some presents and started a nonprofit organization called Grassroots Soccer.

The two-hour season finale of "Survivor: Thailand" kicks off Thursday night at 8 pm/ET 7 pm CT, followed by the live reunion show. The big winner will be on The Early Show to pick up his or her million-dollar check.

Bastable

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This was yet another "spoiler" that didn't bear truth. I'm not going to read them anymore.