Archive through October 04, 2002
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Archive through October 04, 2002
Fruitbat | Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:10 am     Car? Do you know what boards have copied the posts, allegedly, from Ghandia? I would like to read what she said. Time will tell if they are indeed from her. Those things come out eventually. |
Micknrc | Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:42 am     Fruitbat the link is in the "spoilers unite" thread--see Hermione's post: Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 07:14 am The only problem is is that S-news, the site that had (some? all? of the ) posts appears to be down at the moment. Coincidence?....hmmmmmmmm... |
Fruitbat | Monday, September 30, 2002 - 09:06 am     I tried to get on that this morning not knowing that it held Ghandias posts, just snooping around. Thanks Mick I will keep trying. |
Quietstorm4 | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 06:57 am     I found this over on survivorblows. It is apparently a copy of Ghandia's posts. Ghandia's Post |
Ginger | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 07:26 am     Here it is, from the link that Quietstorm4 provided above. It's really long, so I hope it's okay to paste it here. It took me forever to load the page, so I thought I'd help out. "GDiva aka Ghandia's posts" Ok, well for those of you don't know, a poster going by the name of GDiva (believed to be Ghandia) posted at Ezboard's survivorsucks for a while before the show began. She gave away a couple hints and then a few days later everything was erased (due to her requests). It's even rumored that she is now in trouble with CBS. I guess it all comes down to whether or not you believe it was really her, but I totally do believe it. It's just too weird that all the posts were erased and she definitely sounded like the real thing. All of her posts have been erased, but here they are if anyone is interested: GDiva Registered User (8/15/02 4:32:21 pm) Reply Ghandia is a Stone Fox I'm so glad that a "thick" girl is representing. She is one of the best looking Black girls that this show has seen thus far! She is not a "regular" hottie; this girl has got something special! GDiva Registered User (8/15/02 4:56:17 pm) Reply Re: JORDAN vs. JORDAN This guy looks like he's an ass! GDiva Registered User (8/20/02 3:40:16 pm) Reply Re: My Large Ass I really appreciate your comment regarding my ass. My large ass has been a topic of most men's conversations (the real men anyway). I'm proud of my "onion" and my husband says the same thing, that I've got, "More cushion for the pushin'"! Just wanted to let you know when all these people are trying to diss, none of it is affecting me, you know? I'll start worrying when people STOP talking about my "ass"! Have a great day and thanks for your support. Ghandia (a.k.a. "Ghetto Booty") P.S.: Yes, this is REALLY Ghandia GDiva Registered User (8/20/02 3:51:16 pm) Reply Re: Re: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I thank you SO MUCH for you comment regarding my "large ass"; the only thing that wants a bone is a dog I say! Although I am "thicker than most" I am proud of my size and I am one sexy woman. I just wanted to let you know with all these narrow-minded scrubs dissin' the only black girl "with back" on the cast, you stood up for thicker girls everywhere! I love you for that! Thank you SO much and thank you for your support. Much love, Ghandia (yes I am the REAL Ghandia) P.S. You ROCK!!! GDiva Registered User (8/21/02 3:27:42 pm) Reply Re: Re: Dear "Dingosatemybaby" First of all, I LOVE your username. As far as any "dish" I can give, I can say that I know of no one developing boils. As far as stinkiness goes. You know how when you're eating garlic with a bunch of people and everyone is eating garlic and the only person who smells the garlic is the person who didn't eat it? Well, out there EVERYONE was stank to be damned so no one smelled more stinky than anyone else. However, this is my opinion, I'm sure some other castaways thought my ass was stinky. I hope that answers your question. Ghandia GDiva Registered User (8/21/02 5:33:55 pm) Reply Re: Ghandia is dumber than dirt Dear World Wrestling Knock Off G-Diva is short for Ghandia the Diva. I don't know I just thought it was cool. I am apparently NOT as cool as you because I don't have a goofy picture of The Hurricane as my sig line. Please, oh please won't you give me some cool lessons, since you are the master of intelligence . . . NOT! When you stop talking about me, then I'll start worrying. GDiva Potential bannee (8/22/02 9:42:47 am) Reply To Dingosatemybaby - Re Mark Burnett & Gettin' High Dear Dingos: You are really crackin' me up? Where do you hear this stuff?!?!?!? To answer your first question about Mark; he is a very cool person. He did not hit on me and he most certainly did NOT hit on Jeff Probst. By my observations, Mark & Jeff are definitely heterosexual men. Mark has a great personality but he tells it like it is; he is not a bullshitter. Mark is also a great dancer; we danced together, that's it. He likes wine and he is really a lot of fun at a party. About the crew gettin' high? NO WAY! Those people are so straight. This fact was really trippin' me out 'cause I expected at least ONE PERSON to have weed right? Not at all. People drink at parties, but no drugs. Edited by: GDiva at: 8/22/02 10:09:01 am GDiva Potential bannee (8/22/02 10:31:49 am) Reply To Uberclay - Who I Hated The Most Thank you for welcoming me Uber. I think if the other cast members or production or anyone at CBS knew I was chatting on this website, they would call me crazy. But, the trash-talking doesn't bother me; it really makes me laugh. I also tell my husband about what people say on here about me and we laugh together. Like the comments about my "long distance running" LAUGHTER! I do like long distance running; it's just that after having a baby and you're like 250 lbs. and you love 50 lbs., you're still 200 lbs., which by many people's standards is a big woman. Anyway, all the comments about me just crack me up! Okay, now on to your question. I can't really say who I hated most in words, but let's just say that he is follicle-ly challenged ; the 2nd most hated knows all about preparing food . How's that? But, you must understand that these are my opinions only, based on MY experiences with these people. It would be terrible for you to judge them based on what I say. Cool? GDiva Potential bannee (8/22/02 10:32:59 am) Reply To Uberclay - Posting Pics Advice. Can you also tell me how I can post an image as my personal photo and how do I post images in my replys? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Edited by: GDiva at: 8/22/02 10:33:24 am GDiva Potential bannee (8/22/02 12:44:08 pm) Reply Re: To SurvivorObession3 Dear SurvivorObsession3: Yes, I was named after Mahatma Gandhi, which now in my adult life is a very cool person to be named after. But in high school, when the picture "Gandhi" came out?!?!? OH MAN did I catch a lot of slams. My fellow classmates would bow to me in the hallway saying, "Gandhi, we want peace in America" and then there was the ever popular "Goofy Gandhi Glasses." So you see, I've been trained VERY WELL in accepting all types of comments and being able to laugh at myself. GDiva Potential bannee (8/22/02 12:52:30 pm) Reply To Dingosatemybaby Girlfriend thanks for understanding about losing "baby fat"; it's hard to get rid of, especially when you are trying to get on a t.v. show that does use eye-candy. My youngest turned 15 months on August 17th. My children mean the world to me, as well as my husband. The hardest part of doing this thing was not being able to communicate with them AT ALL for 7 weeks. That was agony, especially coupled with the fact that most of the people I was "shacked up" completely and totally got on my last #####' nerve! LAUGHTER! However, I take my entire experience in stride and though there were some bad times, it was an experience of a lifetime for me to be on my favorite show and being the great Survivor fan that I am. I'd do it all again if I was asked to. Is THAT some crazy ##### or what? But, what can I say, I really enjoyed my experience. The thing is about being on this website, I've talked to other contestants whom you guys are really pissing off with the various comments posted about them (mind you, they ONLY get pissed off at the mean/degrading things said about them), and I told them that if we hadn't been chosen for this show, NO ONE would be talking about us. See me, I've wanted to be on T.V. my whole life, so ALL talk about me is great because I know in this life some people will love me, some will like me and some will hate me. I told a few contestants, "It's when people STOP talking about you that you have a problem." You know? Plus, I told them that they should just take the comments in stride and laugh about it, 'cause it all funny. Additionally, though the website is Survivor Sucks, the people on this site are addicted to the show, just in a different way. And, I'm always interested in all types of people. ##### it, you only live once right? One thing I can say is, this season is VERY different from ANY OTHER SEASON. It will really be very entertaining. Y'all are going to all sorts of ##### to diss now! LAUGHTER! GDiva Potential bannee (8/23/02 4:10:45 pm) Reply Re: WOWSERS! me a dork, I think not To EddieLeBec: Fox just aired an American Idol show this past Wednesday, when Tamyra was voted off. So, the show is currently still airing. I am a reality television show junkie. I admit it; perhaps I'll seek counseling . . . NOT! LAUGHTER! When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. GDiva Potential bannee (8/23/02 4:12:50 pm) Reply Re: Re: To Azrael: I'd love to set you and my girl Tanya up but frankly, I don't think she would date anyone who posts here. Unless, of course, you're really hot, which you probably are right? When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. GDiva Potential bannee (8/23/02 4:18:29 pm) Reply Re: LOOK HOW HUGE HER ASS IS BrockAnderson: You must REALLY HATE the Ghandia because it takes a lot of time and effort to put a space inbetween every letter! So, I admire your conviction and consistency in your hatred for me. I feel you. See, you hate what you speculate, and that's what this site is all about and that's why I'm addicted to this site. You go, you go one and keep hatin'; I love people who stand by their beliefs and principles. "If every day was a sunny day, then what's a sunny day." That's a quote from "A Vampire in Brooklyn" and if I may quote YOU Brock, you can ("look it up") - LAUGHTER P.S.: By MY calculations I was only funny for 2.5 minutes, but I appreciate you giving me those extra 30 seconds! When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. Edited by: GDiva at: 8/23/02 4:19:22 pm Re: LOOK HOW HUGE HER ASS IS gdiva, You have a great sense of humor, and we welcome you here! ~RR Don't make me have to repeat myself. GDiva I post therefore I suck. (8/26/02 11:46:00 am) Reply Re: Welcome to the board Ghandia GOOD MORNING HOMIES! I had a feeling that Monday will be a busy day for me on this board. I was dreaming about it over the weekend. What kind of posts will be here today! First let me say that I appreciate ALL POSTS, no hate from me love! Thanks for welcoming me and starting this subject. I have mad love for the poster of this "Re:" line! Now to addresses the individuals: BROCK : Jake is not gay; I don't think there are any gays on the cast, but I am not sure. You will have to tune in for that one. However, I know that Jake is happily married; he loves his wife madly, which I have MUCH respect for Jake for that! Also, regarding your 5-way, if you had ME in bed, you would NOT need 3 other people Mad love Brock, you funny muthafucka you! AZRAEL: I'll put in a good word fo you okay playa? Although I know a pic of you will help your cause KiSS MaH GriTz BaBY: First, LOVE the screen name! Yes, I AM the real Ghandia (Damn I'm gettin' tired of typing that #####); Thank you for your support; I've got MAD LOVE for you! MidnightPrince69: You and "Dingosatemybaby" have believed in my identity from the start! For that I have MUCH LOVE for y'all! Thanks for your support! lhsswimmer: THANK YOU for welcoming me! I hope to make you proud on the show and I will be HAPPY to give you the dirt on ALL my tribemates! FOR RE-E-E-E-E-AL! Sirius: I AM making that "gdiva" tee; however, I just can't decide between rhinestones or airbrushing. Any suggestions will be MOST helpful! Rude Awakening: I am truly NOT trying to spoil Mr. Burnett's precious show; mainly becuase I am a HUGE Survivor fan myself (it was a dream come true for me to make and be on this show). However, after seeing what goes on behind-the-scenes, I know that this show is based on ratings and frankly, that's all Burnett and the execs @ CBS really care about anyway. I feel comfortable sharing the info I have thus far; I won't spoil the show for y'all because I want you all to watch it; I do admit that I'm a bit naughty sometimes; however, I'm watching what I say as not to spoil the show for you all. Survivor Obsession 3: First, thanks for using my Pic! MAD LOVE FOR THAT! This pic is the coolest one of me yet on the 'Net I think. Second, my apologies for confusing you. I just want to connect w/all the "Sucks" people. So, let me re-phrase: "I will wear my 'gdiva' tee on ONE of my interviews." Now, how's that for ambiguity? I DID have some ghetto moments and I did do/say some things that will crack you up - believe me. Thank you for your support; LOVE YOU MAD! I am "holdin' it down"!! As for a signal, how about I throw up a "peace" sign? I will do it at the finale too! I just LOVE connecting with you all! Also, my favorite color is pink; I can wear a pink dress or something pink; How about that? Alana2: Damn #####, where do I start with your hatin' ass! You have SERIOUS issues; unlike Brock, who is a funny guy, you are so judgemental. You DO know that I am NOT the first mother on this show don't you? And, you DON'T know me and it's obvious you don't want to get to know you, you have formed your own stupid-ass opinion of me and that's cool. You don't know WHEN I smoked; you also don't know my family or my children. You need to step off talkin' about mi familia, because all you are doin' is showin' your ass. It is obvious you would LOVE to be on Survivor and you are hatin' me because I made it on the show. You would neither have the balls to try out or if you did, you wouldn't get picked because you have nothing interesting to offer the show. You are hatin' on me, that's cool, keep hatin'. Stay true to your convictions. The world needs assholes like you to balance out the good people. AstonBradshaw: You're another wannabe contestant that will either NEVER have the balls to try out or get picked for the show because you are an uninteresting, pisser & moaner. Keep hatin'; just keep hatin'! Also, I think Jerry would be very pissed off that an like you is claiming her identity. Please, get a life yo! AngelBabriel: If people like me, cool; if people don't like me, cool; those on this baord that vibe w/me - I enjoy; those that don't, oh well, I can't be liked by everyone, that's just not possible, especially on this board. Let me make myself clear to you that I am not kissing anyone's ass to like me or "throwing the dogs a bone" as you so eloquently put it. A media ? Sure, I'll be that - whatever in the ##### that is - SO, if you want to hate, stay with that conviction and keep on hatin'! Every "ying" needs its "yang"!!! Virgin Mary: My girl Tanya is just a little hottie! Even a lawyer @ my firm wants to get with her! I'll have to tell my homegirl I've got 3 dates lined up! I will tell you this, laughter will get you farther than a big pecker would any day (that's my own opinion). Keep it up Playa, 'cause I've got MAD love for a man that wants to make a girl laugh. Your homegirl, Ghandia WHEW!!! I'm sure the posts will be blastin' after this post! MUCH LOVE TO EVERYONE ON THE "SUCKS" BOARDS, Ghandia When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. Edited by: GDiva at: 8/26/02 11:48:03 am GDiva I post therefore I suck. (8/26/02 11:53:55 am) Reply Re: LOOK HOW HUGE HER ASS IS Missing Amber: Thank you love for your belated welcome! The love you are givin' me feels great! MAD LOVE for you! reduntdantly reduntant: Dig the screen name! My sense of humor is the key to my continued happiness in life. My sense of humor will also be key to keeping my sanity once the show airs also Thanks you SO MUCH for your props! When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. GDiva I post therefore I suck. (8/26/02 11:58:00 am) Reply Re: Welcome to the board Ghandia SurvivorObesssion3: Also, I will ALWAYS represent for the big ladies. I hate the way t.v./Hollywood only pic the skinny, white girls as the "hot ones" or the "sexiest ones" that's a bunch of BULLSHIT! Big girls ARE sexy, attractive, hot, and we have it goin' on okay? It will take a WHILE for Hollywood and the Survivor show to start representin' that fact, 'cause Hollywood has their image of what is considered "sexy" or "hot" and T.V. execs tend to not think "outside the box" with that issue. I am hoping that me being on this show will show all young mothers, thick girls, big girls, voluptuous women, etc. that you can be sexy, even if you are bigger than a size 12 OKAY? Keepin' it real, Ghandia When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. GDiva I post therefore I suck. (8/26/02 12:15:16 pm) Reply Re: Welcome to the board Ghandia vanIla sIave: Dude, get some synapses happenin' in that brain of yours. Brock & I CAN'T be the same person; he simply is not fine enough to be me! Either you believe it me or you don't; I could give a #####. Ghandia When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. Author Comment GDiva I post therefore I suck. (8/26/02 1:08:44 pm) Reply Re: Special message to Gdiva Good morning to all my homies! Yes, I am the real Ghandia. The "Sucks" board is harsh, but I have very thick skin. As far as spoiling. I truly DO NOT want to spoil the show for anyone. I worked very hard on that show and plus I am a huge Survivor fan. I was a dream come true to be on this show and I will not spoil anything for you all. I have not revealed any information that will spoil the show. I just told a poster who smokes and I also let out who got on my nerves/hated the most (okay, I admit that was a mistake - ), but I'm not perfect. I love connecting with people who love this show as much as I do and believe me, even for those fuckers who claim to "hate" the show, they still love it too. So I give much props to everyone who posts. And this "Special Message to GDiva" posts really makes me feel good to get all the love y'all are giving me. africandi is right about the parameters of interviews for CBS. Since I have worked as a legal secretary for over 10 years, I know what I can and can't do. But truly, I am not spoiling the show or giving out any trade secrets. I really want y'all to watch. This show is very different and you all will really enjoy how this year was done - believe that! Additionally, there is no way you can decifer from a contestant posting on this board what position he/she left in unless they tell you. We all come home at the same time, so someone in position 2 can post here just as easily as someone who went to the final 2, you feel me? I became so addicted to reading the posts on "Sucks" that, well, I wanted to be a member of the "team." I am a Survivor fan through and through, I love the good and the bad. MAD love, to EVERYONE, to those who hate and to those who are supporting and rooting for me. Also, I think the finale is sometime in December (like the 19th) but I am uncertain. africandi, I look forward to meeting you too. Much love, Ghandia When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. Edited by: GDiva at: 8/26/02 1:09:19 pm GDiva I post therefore I suck. (8/26/02 1:13:48 pm) Reply Re: Special message to Gdiva Macksy: Thanks for the shout out and the love. Your support makes a sista feel real good you know? Love you too homie! When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. GDiva I post therefore I suck. (8/26/02 1:26:46 pm) Reply Re: Special message to Gdiva mommalovesherethan: Ethan seems like a very nice person. I look forward to meeting him and all the other castmembers. I'm sure I will enjoy meeting former cast members MUCH MORE than hanging out with the majority of cast members from MY show Have a great day Momma! Much love, Ghandia When you stop talking about me, then I'll start to worry. "Okay, now on to your question. I can't really say who I hated most in words, but let's just say that he is follicle-ly challenged the 2nd most hated knows all about preparing food . How's that? As far as the "stars" of this show, well, duh ME! Other stars I would say: Robb, Jed, Brian, Ken, Erin, Tanya (definitely) and Shii Ann." Pretty interesting, I think that it's clear that Ted and Clay betray her which would go along with what happens next episode. |
Ginger | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 07:39 am     Wow. Okay, after pasting that in I just sat and read it. I completely believe that Ghandia was writing those posts! I bet Mark Burnett had a fit. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:00 am     Thanks Ginger. |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 11:01 am     thanks ginger. i am not sure i believe that's really her though, but keeping an open mind. |
Ladytex | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 01:03 pm     wow ... that's all I can say right now ... wow |
Yuhuru | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 04:02 pm     I hope it's not her. Gdiva doesn't seem too bright. |
Bmh | Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 05:57 pm     thanx for posting Ginger..those posts are VERY interesting..but I am still a little skeptical..however..who else could it be???..I mean really..this person knows too much..it is so Ghanida..I am sure MB had a fit.. |
Ginger | Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 11:50 am     You're welcome everyone! The reason I think that it's Ghandia is that she speaks of the experience with a kind of humble confidence--like an insider. She offers just enough opinions about her fellow Survivors, implying who she liked, who she did not like, etc. The voice just seems authentic to me...and I was a skeptic at first as well. |
Whit4you | Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:36 pm     I was married once, for life (of course) - 101% faithful. I've been in her shoes. Spent the night in a one man sleeping bag with a very attractive man (not that she was with an attractive man but she might have thought so...) at any rate... there were others around, a perfectly safe situation. However, after a few hours of talk the convo turned a bit titalating.. when I was married I did things based on 'How would I feel if the situation were reversed" and I got up the moment I felt *I* would not like it if the situation were reversed. I got in the sleeping bag because it was a record cold night... it was 100% platonic, and a little flirtin was ok, but as I said you draw the line where you would want to see it drawn if it were your husband with some gal he found very attractive. So I drew the line, I said ... I think we should get UP now... I know your already UP but ... I think we should get up - wanna join me at the campfire? So we got up .. lit the campfire... spent the rest the night chatthing, and a bit of flirting (he was on other side of campfire so it was all good) At any rate, lemme say - if he had started rubbing against me? If he had started to rub my hair... if he had started to bite my shoulder and I did NOT get up? Um ya right. Lemme say if I had put myself into a dangerous situation ... alone in the middle of no where with no witness's - yes that situation would be scary... do I get up - might he feel rejected and it turn to anger and be potentially dangerous for me? But like her situation, there were alot of people in other sleeping bags around... perfectly safe for me to suggest we get up. She had at least 5 other people right there with her, and I am sure staff - camera men within shouting distance... had she tried to get up and he not let her... I wasn't there - that's true, but I have been in av ery similiar situation. The things you see on a TV show where someone's mouth is covered and they can't scream is totally bogus. If your home alone right now... keep your mouth closed and make the loudest sound you can. Trust me anyone on a quiet island such as they are on.. within a block or two could hear you. She knows as we all know that there are cameramen around in case people decide to do late night stragegizing or there is some sort of imminent danger. Bottom line - I'm laying in a sleeping bag with a guy.. he starts rubbing against me... I get up. I'm living with an X of mine - in a very platonic relationship ... I've spent in the same bed with him many times the past 2 years, and I asked him (as if I didn't already know the answer) how hard it is to figure out if I'm interested or not... and his answer as expected, was a laugh. If I were to lay there and not ... move away at all as he starts to grind himself against me... as he starts to touch me here and there ... rub my hair and so on... he'd get a hint. I don't know either of the people involved in this situation, I do however know that if MY hubby had told me... well I was snuggling up with this girl... and she started doing this and that and this and that and this and that... and I didn't get up ... um... Trust me... I'm so not insensitive to rape victims and things that might cause them to freeze up - or not react in a situation where they could, or not think straight at times and so on. But she has no right to blame him - for her past experiences, and if she didn't have the common sense to move away... or any of the many other choices she had available that is NOT in any way his fault. and it's wrong to in any way make it his fault. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:46 pm     What I don't understand is why so few people seem to think Ted did anything wrong. Why is everyone picking Ghandia apart? Do we really think they didn't BOTH behave inappropriately? I do! Who knows who did what, or why, or why they didn't act the way we swear we would act in that situation (despite the fact that our life experiences are probably completely different from theirs!) The camera did not catch the act, we do not know what happened. We will never know what happened. Only Ghandia and Ted do. How can anyone say whose fault this is? |
Whit4you | Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:56 pm     Hermion... yes I think they both acted inappropriately... he may be telling the truth that at first he didn't know he was not with his wife ... however... neither should have put themselves IN That position!! And both should have immiediately backed off the 2nd that something inappropriate began. I'm not saying he's faultless - but she's making it sound like SHE is faultless and that is so not the case!! She's a married woman... snuggling up with another man (I sorta did that myself) however *I* got up the moment it felt inappropriate.. from the sounds of it she did nothing... she goes on about how he was rubbing her hair.. how he was rubbing up against her and so on .. and yet she laid right there with him....? and she's putting all blame on him? Sorry had I not gotten up when I did when I was in the situation Iw as in ... I certainly would not put all the blame on HIM if things had gotten a little frisky.. he's a red blooded american man snugglin up with me.. had he NOT gotten aroused I'd have started to wonder...LOL.... Ask yourself this - would she have snuggled up the way she was with the old lady who started their team? Would she have been in a position where the old lady could have been grinding with her? Had the old lady started grinding with her do you not think she would have moved??? Get real.... lol
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Wiseolowl | Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 10:02 pm     It's not a question of he said - she said- he probably crossed the line and in fact admitted it - and he apolgized- what more does she want if she has the well-being of the tribe at heart? She accepted the apology, hugged him and that should have been the end of it. Instead she immediately runs too the other female members - complains and then says that everything she told them was true - except as she says , I didn't tell them, about the apology. Helen, then exploits the matter. I believe that Helen and Ghandia were feeling the most vulnerable at that point and attempted to exploit the situation by attempting to deflect attention away from themselves. They overplayed it and it will ultimately cost them. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 10:02 pm     I agree that she behaved inappropriately, but I also think good old "Teddy Bear" is not as innocent as he is making himself out to be in the situation. They are both at fault. I respect him for apologizing. I wish Ghandia had owned up to her part in it. But I realize there is a lot we are not seeing and will never see. I think the whole thing is a shame for the Chewy tribe because I really liked them as a group and it has colored my perceptions of all of them to one degree or another. But that's life! |
Catfat | Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 10:05 pm     Assuming both of them were getting a little amourous and neither of them got up, in this case it is because they both wanted to be there. I think people are criticizing Ghandia because she made such a huge deal about it and wouldn't shut up, squalling and punching and tattleing to try and gain some sort of advantage. She knows she is lucky to still be there after some of the errors she made, and is going berserk, How stupid of her to think her nasty little fit-throwing will gain her any sympathy. |
Car54 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 01:54 am     Hermione...they ARE both responsible, and I still say something we saw was edited or something. When Ghandia first spoke with Ted, he apologized, but after he said he was asleep and just acting on instinct...he backtracked and repeated his apology but said...I was going to talk to you about it... so if he was asleep and unaware, how would he have known he did it? I think the reason most people are holding Ghandia to a higher responsibility is that she used the issue to go to the women, and admitted on camera that she made the story sound worse than it was when telling the story, and that she left out part of Ted's response to keep the women on her side. I agree with Whit that she put herself in a very questionable situation, but it is how she handled it that most people are faulting her for. They had a TV camera on them for goodness sake! She could have stood up and spoken with Ted ON CAMERA right then! |
Resortgirl | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 03:37 am     My take on the Ghandia/Ted thing is that he was not fully awake when he started "touching" her but when he came to full consciousness he realized what he had been doing and that's why he said he was going to talk to her about it. He may not remember nibbling her shoulder but knows that he was dreaming of his wife and feels bad about what happened. Ghandia SHOULD have moved away immediately! After accepting his apology, it should have been over and forgotten. (unless of course it happened again) When she started running around telling everyone the "dirty" details, and leaving out the fact that they had spoken and he HAD apologized I was pretty ticked at her. I think Ted handled it very well by confronting the situation in front of the whole tribe. That way there couldn't be any more "he said" "she said" When he told Brian "nothing" happened I think he was saying that they had not had sex. He said that he had rectified the situation... I think he was being respectful of Ghandia by not going into detail about what DID happen. That's the problem with gossip, by the time it got back to Ghandia it sounded like Ted had denied that anything at all happened, that Ghandia was just making the whole thing up. Not what Ted said at all... I don't like that girl at all anymore.... she is ruining the commeraderie that existed in this tribe and it's probably going to hurt them in the future. |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 05:25 am     Car-- Maybe I am focusing on the wrong posts! You said, "but it is how she handled it that most people are faulting her for," but I guess I'm just not getting that feeling from the nature of many of the posts here. I agree with everyone that Ghandia handled it poorly, but so many people here seem to be saying that what happened that night was 100% her fault-- the hand on the thigh, their spooning, the fact that she didn't move away or elbow him, etc., etc., etc... I remember reading posts this past week, before the episode was aired, talking about how ugly she is and if she had brought a mirror she would know that no man would want her. ???? Very little has been said about Ted's role. He told her the next day, "I am not attracted to you at all," well, why didn't he move her hand or lay beside her in a different manner to talk instead of in such a sexual way? They were both inappropriate given that they were married. Ted put on a far better face for the tribe; doesn't mean he is a better person. If more people were saying, "I don't like how she handled it," instead of "why didn't she move?" or "she had her hand on his thigh" I wouldn't be defending her so much. Hold them both up to the same yardstick of behavior for both the incident and the aftermath. To me, they are both guilty in the former, in the latter, yeah, Ted wins that round for maturity and diplomacy. |
Wiseolowl | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 05:49 am     Hermione I think you may be misfocusing - I don't get the impression that Ted is blameless in this. I think most of us believe that inappropriate things happened. But what happened , happened. Depending on your perspective, you can continue to dwell on it or move on. The guy apologized - there's not much more that he can do unless you think it was so bad that he has to start flagellating himself. The strength of this tribe up to now has been their solidarity. They can beat a horse to death and self destruct or move on. |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:05 am     I probably am misfocusing by zeroing in on certain posts or certain comments. We all bring perspectives to the board based on our own experiences. And like I said, I do think Ted handled it far better than she did, and if they had gone to tribal council, I do think she should have been the one voted out. Ghandia is actually my least favorite person in that tribe right now. I just don't like to see people get ugly about her. We don't know the whole story, nor do we know the story of what happened to her in the past that could have precipitated her reacting the way she did. Some of the comments have been nothing but a personal attack on Ghandia. That triggers my sympathies. Speaking of beating a dead horse, time for me to move on! :-) |
Ginger | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:06 am     Hermione, I agree with you. But I also agree with the other posters on this thread who say that Ghandia played a role in this. My take is that they both got flirty, Ghandia thought they could keep it in the hugging stage and Ted wanted to move on to the silent bump and grind stage. I can understand why Ghandia continued to be mad after Ted apologized. I think that's very common--people say they accept apologies, but they aren't really over it. So she went to the women, again, not something I would fault her for, with the exception of the fact that she didn't tell them that Ted had apologized. When she found out that Brian believed Ted had denied it (which he didn't--more on that later), she acted like a drama queen idiot. But that does not mean that Ted did not do exactly what she said he did. He admitted as much. As for Ted, I think he's getting off way too easy. We keep asking why Ghandia got herself in that situation, but why did TED get in that situation? Because he wanted a piece. Plain and simple. He has waffled on his apology, saying slightly different things at different times. He was mean enough to yell that he didn't find Ghandia attractive (which I think is a lie, and was meant only to hurt and humiliate her). The fact remains that in the middle of the night he felt Ghandia up and he is responsible for that behavior. Having said all that, I REALLY hope they patch it up (though I doubt they will). Because they both played a wierd role in this incident, it'd be nice to see them get over it without punishing each other with eviction. I wanted to add something that drove me NUTS last night. Brian was incorrect when he said that Ted denied it. Brian misunderstood! While Ted DID try to gloss it over by saying "nothing happened" he also said "I made a mistake, but I took care of it." By this he meant, yes I tried to rub against Ghandia's sleeping body, but I stopped myself before "anything happened" and then I apologized. The fact that Brian did not catch this in the midst of Ted's evasion led Brian to tell Helen that Ted said it didn't happen. This was further proven when Ted repeatedly said, in front of everyone, that he DID NOT deny it to Brian and in fact admitted to "making a mistake." Did anyone else catch that? |
Earthmother | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:11 am     I haven't heard anyone say it was 100% her fault. I will say however that in her statement to Ted "I was raped, and some people say I ask for that kind of attention", says volumes to me. If she indeed knows that she puts herself into positions to attract this kind of attention then she is at fault, since she should have known better. She claimed he should be ashamed for what he did since he had a wife and 2 week old baby when he came on this show..That tells me that he has been without (so to speak) for quite a while, and she is the one who decided to sit next to him, rub his leg, and sleep right next to him. He admitted his mistake but she did not. Her behavior is no different than the girl who consents and then cries rape when it's over cuz she's feeling guilty. Too bad!!! no one forced her to hang all over him and I don't know what she thought but I know she used him to further herself in a game. Shame on her. I was rooting for her, but now think she is the most dangerous kind of female, and it makes me sick. |
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