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Tabbyking

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think denver gal would have been better than 'diva'. he meant it as an insult as far i felt it. he was certainly embarrassed when jeff told him to use the name next time, so i expect he will be nicer to other people he votes off, but it was uncalled for.

i didn't see ghandia nude and the fantasy board did not count it as a 'blur', so i think she may just have had clothes on that matched her skin tones.

skypilot asked about ghandia's behavior in the first episode or so. ghandia had her hand on ted's higher thigh when they were on the beach, she was snuggled into him with her head on his shoulder as they sat on a rock or a branch or something, she slept next to him, she made a comment about not having her husband around and how ted filled that role in making her feel protected, commented on his big body...and then hugged and kissed him after his apology and again when they were done with a challenge AFTER her big blow up in front of everyone.
she was almost like a multiple personality.
was ted wrong to come on to her late at night? probably--but because he is married and should be committed to his wife and family, NOT because it came as a total shock and surprise to ghandia. she was flirty and touchy and 'oooh, strong, big guy acting' up to that point. i think she asked for trouble and didn't know how to handle it when she got it. she was definitely sending out signals to him from the get-go.
editing being what it is--an entire week boiled down to 44 minutes once a week--i didn't see anything in episode one that made me think there was a ghandia-clay problem, but it may have just been omitted. all this is edited later to present it in 13 weeks or whatever it is. it may be that there was some minor conflict, but with what happened later between ted-ghandia, they decided to show us more of the ghandia all over ted part, before we got to the next episode showing her angry at him for the nighttime stuff.
and remember, this is just my take on it, so others may feel differently.
which is why i like this board. we can all say what we feel even if we aren't all in agreement at all times!

Tabbyking

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hey, aria's, i did mention clay in my next post!! lol

Wiseolowl

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabbyking either I'm a dirty old man - which is true but besides the point- but that post of yours was naughty and got by the moderators -love it

Wiseolowl

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Skypilot - I was disappointed by Ted's dealing with Ghandia - when they had their discussion and when the whole tribe was brought together by Ted to air the issue - it was left that they would try and get over it - I would have thought that Ted would be the first to make the gesture to do that - but he did the opposite - bad form. If he had done so, and Ghandia rebuffed him , I would have more sympathy, but it seems to me that Ted was more concerned with repairing any damage at home that might have resulted from this episode than tryng to reconcile. My opinion of him has gone down.

P.S. You're a skypilot and I'm an owl - maybe we hae something in common

Tabbyking

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 04:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wise, i can't find my post about why robb dislikes shii ann, though...i guess maybe it was moderated...but shii is 'huang' and he isn't.

Meggieprice

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Hermione and others about Clay- I started out likeing him a lot in Ep 1 and now he has dropped down in the time since- I felt similarly about his comment about beating his 2 year old and I think he should be careful criticizing the effort of others when he is starting to look like a pretty weak link himself.

Truth is, I was rooting hard for Chewy as the older underdogs against the young spoiled brats and as of last night started having more trouble doing it.

Azriel

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They showed Ghandia walking in the distance when Helen was talking and there was definitely a blur over her, suggesting she was naked, not skin colored clothes.

Cricket

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Skypilot, I thought Ghandia was naked also with the blur they showed. Also, Clay was going on about how she should have expected something to happen the way she walked around and that's when they showed her walking apparently naked. I don't doubt she thought she looked great and wanted to feel free.

Clay's rants last night were a bit much to take and he's down in my likability chart right now too. He was doing the same thing she did; trying to split the men and the women.

I can't put my finger on who he reminds me of...what type of person. I'm sure it will come to me sooner or later.

Catfat

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am still laughing about the comment someone made upon seeing Ghandia naked-but-blurred, "Hey isn't that Sasquatch back there?' Don't know who said it, but it is a great remark.

Tabbyking

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well, the fantasy has her as a blur now...i didn't see it earlier, but maybe just missed it. they have so many blurs for stephanie swimming nude, 1 for robb's middle finger and 1 for ghandia, so must be what you all saw, and i, thank God!, missed!
so she was nude at some point,in addition to all the come ons to ted... but wondered why ted came on to her?
christ, my cat could teach her a few things...

Risa

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 12:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not defending Ghandia but her dupicity is not unusual in rape victims. Helen touched on this topic a little in the last eposode and seemed to have some knowlege of the subject.

Riviere

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay still reminds me of Rudy from S1 and frankly they both remind me a little of me.. I have so little tolerance of mindgames regardless of age or gender, I tend to see through them and speak my mind for better or worse. So Clay said he saw Ghandia as a 'troublemaker' early, guess what? So did I. I can't blame Clay for not sucking up to the cameras making pithy witty comments, nor vague comments to play it safe, the man spoke as he felt being there 24/7. It was more natural to see him join the men or do things on his own as Ghandia tried to rally the women. First it was a blowup about Ted, then it's all men there, if I was Clay I feel I would have had my own outburst in frustration over Ghandia's behaviour. Let's see, walks the beach naked, accuses a tribemate she's been pawing over from the start as all but forcing himself on her while sleeping together cozily, then starts badmouthing the men nonstop? I give Clay credit. His 'humor' might seem crude but I identify with it, same with Brian's speech on men vs women, which I know was in jest.. I still like the older Chewing Gum tribe more than young Bubble Gum. I have to cheer Clay on for being true to himself..

Car54

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There is a thread over at SS where someone posted info about the parties Clay is hosting to watch e ach show at his restaurant.

Supposedly he told people this week that it would be a while before we saw their tribe go to TC again.

Could be Sook Jai melts down, or could be the "switch"...

Csnog

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeff has referred to Clay as a "character" in Jeffs pre show interviews.

Clay sees right through BS and thats why Ghandia did not like him.

I look for Clay to make jury.

Whoami

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I am getting real sick of the looks and faces Clay gives regarding Jan. Geeze guy, give the lady a break! Stop being such a snob. I can understand getting annoyed with someone, but his facial expressions make me feel like he thinks he is so superior to her, and she is just a worthless ditz. It's making me not really like him a whole lot!

Meggieprice

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You said it, Whoami. He has plummeted in my eyes and I would like to see him go next.

Lycanthrope

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The vibe he gives off is negative toward women in general. As a guy, I hate to see us portrayed that way. Thus, I lean toward disliking him. But I think if Brian and Ted are going to go much farther in the game, they will need him. But I don't think Brian likes him very much.

Twinkie

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay's voice and attitude really annoy me and I hope he goes soon. Seems like "little man=big attitude" syndrome.

Jenhavins

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/clayjordan1.html

Apparently, Clay has had some financial issues.

Twinkie

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow! He's in worse shape than we are! We may lose our home but at least we don't owe everyone and his brother! And don't have to declare bankruptcy (although that was a consideration). But trying to hang on til hubby gets a better job after losing his supervisor job and getting rehired at a much lower wage. I never cared for Clay but do feel sorry for his situation.

Zipsdaddy

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did you all notice the glazed look Clay gave when watching Brians video of his wife?? Any possibility Clay recognized her from her porn movies? Wouldn't it be too funny if Clay did indeed recognize her and admit it to the others??

Jkm

Friday, November 22, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Buttercup, Spygirl????

Buttercup -- did you ever find anything out at the diner?

Do you still see him there?

Spunky

Friday, November 22, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This guy ain't that bad after all...at least is funnier than the others. I hope he'll get to the last 4.

Fruitbat

Friday, November 22, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Clay. I didn't for awhile there but he is smart and playing the game. That gets high marks from me.

Kady

Friday, November 22, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay was at my son's school today talking about Thailand. My son feels he doesn't make it to the final two. He is only 11 but he was listening for spoilers. LOL He is off playing with friends, if I find out anything important, I'll let you know. :)