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Lancecrossfire

Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good question Hermione--with Jeff I have no idea!

He and MB work really hard to keep us guessing--by telling us things that do happen, by twisting what does and flat out leading us down a totally different path. They mix all of them in so we just never know.

I think he is correct that in any case, one will try to find anything to use as a reason to "betray" someone and still look "good" in the process. In the end, that is what the winner has to do, because it's a game with only one sole survivor, yet there are teams, alliances and friendships that develop.

I think we miss so much not seeing these 2-4 hour TC's once there is a jury--I would think there is so much said that can affect votes in those. I'm sure Jeff asks some questions that require tough answers. This is the one aspect of the game that never gets talked about much by the players or by Probst/MB. We know it happens, but we don't know the questions, what jurors look to see/hear, etc.

I think Tina winning is an example of this---Colby was a great competitor, didn't run over anyone, yet he still didn't win. What didn't we see Tina say and do that got her so many votes?

I do think that if we see Jake survive by any means other than immunity, they will show how it happened--that would be too good to pass up for them to leave out of the show.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 25, 2002 - 05:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
#1. I think he is refering to footage we have already seen of Jake trying like mad to infiltrate by siddling up to Brian. He did this the day of the merge.

#2. This is in reference to Helens comment after seeing Brians video.

Jeff is not going to give anything away. His comment "maybe we have game again" tells me this was about merge time. We already have one going on now. Erin departing started it.

Quietstorm4

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't know where else to post this, and didn't see it anywhere else. It's an interesting analysis, if nothing else.

http://www.realitytvfans.com/newspub/story.cfm?ID=5454


Basically he is picking Ted and Jan to go all the way.

Webkitty

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Quietstorm, I have seen other spoilers/speculations that place Ted and Jan as the final two also. Drat.

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would really love it to be Ted and Jan! :)

Snewser has picked Jan from the get-go.

http://survivornews.net/snn.php?sid=scorecard

True Dork Times also has tentatively picked her. They don't, however, pick Ted to be in the F2. Their very tentative boot order is:

Jake - toast
Helen - F5
Ted - F4
Brian - F3
Clay - F2
Jan--sole survivor

But they put a ? by all of these. I think it is interesting that they put Clay in the F2, yet think he may be in trouble for episode 11. I guess if he makes it through this episode, they think he's safe.

http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/survivometer5.htm

Djgirl5235

Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 04:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Out of all the remaining players, I wouldn't be disappointed if Jan or Helen won it - leave the rest behind!!! Well... you could keep Jake there too! Let the 3 of them battle it out and I would be happy. Ted is too whiney for me; Clay to c*ck-sure; and Brian too arrogant (although he's definitely playing the best game!)...

I have a feeling though that jan's going to take it all! Let's all keep a really good watch on the recap episode tonight! See what we can find out from that!

Alaginger

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 06:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just noticed something this morning. TDT claims to know who the F2 are. DON'T GO THERE IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW. If you do, once you get to this address, click where it says Episode 13.

http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/spoilers/

Webkitty

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I just lost a long post! Anyway, thanks for the heads up, Alaginger.

This is some spoiler. I tried to find out where they explained their statement, but couldn't find it. So I went over to SS, and they are buying into it. They feel TDT wouldn't put something like this out there unless they felt confident about it.

Interesting.

Car54

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope it isn't true.

Hermione69

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto. But I can see it playing out like that.

Car54

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah. I think the fun is over. Hope Brian uses the money to get into a better line of work.

Hermione69

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Warning! My comments below mention the F2 as speculated by TDT. (Since this is clearly designated a Spoiler thread, I can't imagine anyone having a problem if we actually start talking about this in the open. Hope not, anyway.)


I just went to Sux and they seem to be pretty equally divided in whether to believe this or not. One person raised a good point, though-- episode 12 is entitled "The Tides are Turning" and Brian has been portrayed as the one in control for awhile now so a lot of people have been speculating (me included) that means he will lose his power base if not be voted off in this episode. This makes the most sense re: the episode title. Nobody else remaining is really seen as in control of the game. Of course the title could have a meaning that is irrelevent to the power structure, but we have gotten some good clues from our titles this season (episode 7- Assumptions is a good example). Thoughts on this?

Another thing that makes me wonder if this is true is that ever since S1, MB has portrayed the eventual winners in a pretty positive light. Clay and Brian, IMHO, have been edited the most negatively of the remaining Survivors.

These are just some thoughts. Of the remaining 6, these are the two I least want to see win, so I'm looking for holes in the theory! LOL! Also, unless Snewser changes his picks to reflect this, I'm going to continue to look at this with a healthy degree of skepticism!

Webkitty

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 05:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I went over there too (SS) and my impression was that they are buying into this spoiler more than not.

I disagree about Brian and Clay being edited the most negitive.

Ted and Jan have had their share of negitive editing.
That whole Ghandia thing was shocking and Jan stumbling around drunk doesn't show her in the best light either.

I also disagree that MB has portrayed all the eventual winners in a positive light. Two words, Richard Hatch. America was outraged at him winning in the beginning. Tina was edited to be a back stabber early on (Mad Dog Marilyn) Ethan was the exception. Vee, Vee who? She also back stabbed Kathy at the 11th hour. He showed us nothing of her all season and then the betrayal, not good editing.

Even if ep 12 The Tides are Turning means that Brian is losing his power, he could go on an immunity run like Colby and Kelly W. from S1, and easily make F2, the game is almost over. I tend to think this title has something to do with food, however.

Just some thoughts.

Hermione69

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 05:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Only time will tell! I know we respect each other's opinions, Webkitty, but we are definitely rooting for different people! :) I certainly can't speak for you, but I know I like to look for the arguments that support who I want to be left standing!

I'll buy into this a lot more if:
A) Snewser changes his pick.
B) Jake gets the expected boot this week and the second surprise referred to in the episode title is something piddling.
C) TDT offers some explanation as to where they got their information.

Webkitty

Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 06:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermoine, I agree about TDT and offering some explaination about the info. I was going to dismiss it until I went over to SS.

Your right, time will tell!

I really want Helen in the F2, so that pick isn't the best for me either. Go Brian and Helen! Yea!

Fruitbat

Monday, December 02, 2002 - 06:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, I went to TDT and could not find any explanation at all. Could you say what you found, please? My computer is crippled and it is difficult for me to negotiate the internet.

I hope this is not true and it has nothing to do with personalities. I think Brian is playing well and I have come to like Clay. I just don't want spoilers to be true in general.

It is easy to see this happening. Brian and Clay have a stronger bond that they do with Ted. I say this because both Brian and Clay are very smart and probably connect more. They could align with any of the other Chewies to eliminate whoever they choose. I think Helen is with them at this point. Jake, then Ted and Jan in either order.

I do not see Jake, Ted and Jan aligning for a tie this week. Never.

Tides are Changing could be as simple as the real tide is finally moving out giving them some food options. Or it could mean some disention in camp that will amount to a big fat nothing. They have to name each episode and if the castaways give them little they grab at straws. We have seen that before. Some titles are loaded, others we groan and complain.

I will be shocked if Jake does not go this week. If he wins IC I expect to see Ted or Jan go. Jake has already voted for Jan once so they may expect that again. It would be a threat to win the jury vote explaination for Jan. There will be remorse but a solid and respectful reason.

Hermione69

Monday, December 02, 2002 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat, The TDT does not give any explanation for how they got their information that Brian and Clay are in the final two. They simply posted it and really seem to believe their source, as they have switched their boot order to reflect those two being in the F2.

They posted this under Episode 13:

"Boot speculation
The True Dork Times has learned that the final two are Brian and Clay."

and they have said this under the current episode (11):
"...Clay might seem like an obvious pick for the alternate boot if Jake somehow wins immunity. But he and Brian are in the final two, so they're safe. And as the recap episode showed with respect to John, Clay appears to be the one really pulling the strings in Chuay-Gahn."

Many people at Sucks appear to be buying into the validity of this simply because it has been posted by TDT. Several are also questioning its authenticity and have raised some good points. We'll just have to wait and see.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 02, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I misread your post a few back and thought you said they had some explanation. That is where I got that idea. I go too fast. :)

I agree that there is logic to support this.

Catfat

Monday, December 02, 2002 - 03:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"The Tides are Turning" --- wasn't there something in the previews or elsewhere about this time being the highest tide of the year? They showed some of the survivors in water waist deep where it had formerly been sandy beach. Maybe that is what they are referencing.

Tabbyking

Monday, December 02, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
okay, so what's the feeling here, should it be brian and clay at the end? at this point, who would win?

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Catfat, I think that is it too.

Tabby....At this point it seems Brian would win but I have only the editing to go on and I am not sure at all. It is entirely possible that Clay is more engaging and well liked despite what we have been shown.

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny, I would guess Clay to beat Brian. I just have a feeling that Clay would get most, if not all, of the Sook votes and maybe Helen's (from all the money comments). Even Jan may vote for Clay over Brian. In the rhe recap show, she seemed fond of Clay. Even Ted may vote for Clay as he is likely to feel more betrayed by Brian than by Clay.

I'll buy into this F2 spoiler more after Thursday if the surprises have nothing to do with a surprise boot and Jake goes as generally expected.

There is a lot of dissent in the camps of how Clay and Brian are being edited with good arguments on both sides. I personally think they are both being edited as too arrogant to win. Not since Hatch has a winner been edited as so confident in the win. Both Brian and Clay are quite pleased with themselves right now. But a lot of people think that there has been so much fuss about the UTR and boring winners, that MB is showing us a colorful personality again as the winner. And that makes sense also.

Snewser still hasn't updated his page since 11/19 and so still has Jan as his projected winner. When he finally edits it, it will be interesting to see if he changes that.

Webkitty

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, who is Snewser and what board is he affiated with (if any) Can you provide a link to his page? I have seen his name mentioned at SS, but I'm in the dark!

Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 06:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There have not been any serious spoilers this season and several have proven to be false.

Going on what I see:

Clay and Brian are tightly aligned. We are not seeing any conversations between the two and that is a red flag. A huge elephant in the room. MB is keeping strategy talk out of the shows this time. It works for the suprize element but many viewers are bored.

Brians early alliance with Ted was low key and very vague on Brians part. We thought that was just Brians way but I see that differently now. He did not want to say no to Teds initiation and burn a bridge. Instead he remained aloof in hopes that Ted would take that for his manner. It worked. He told the camera he would honor that until it no longer worked for him. That is because he has a tighter one with Clay.

I think they have a plan to take Jan to F3 with them because she is not a strong contender to win the final IC. Both Brian and Clay think they could win against each other.

Webkitty

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 06:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Could someone help me out? I need a rundown on what the traditional last two challenges are and how they work.

The very last one is the pole challenge, right? With the last three left. Whoever lasts the longest gets to pick who goes to F2 with them.

The one before that is fallen comrads, if I remember correctly. But how does that work? Whoever wins it is the only one to vote off that time? I can't remember!