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Jane_Bond

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that it was manipulation, but I think that much of it was not consciously thought out. I am not marking his as being this way, but here is something that his behaviour reminded me of: when my guy (who is generally a saint) really says something stupid to me, and I get mad at him and tell him that he messed up, he immediately starts kissing my butt.

I think this is something like what Robb did. I think his talks with Ken made him go "uh oh!" and he started showing his softer side, almost as a way of saying "don't vote for me tomorrow, I'm such a nice guy, I'm growing!"

Of course, the effect on the tribe was the exact opposite of his expectations. Instead of going "we can't vote him out" they reacted by feeling that it was OK to vote him out as he had made his personal progress. That was my first reaction when I heard him talking around that fire. I thought (as much as I really dislike him), "Robb, you are digging your own grave. You are giving them a reason to choose you."

Now, I think the game will start to get interesting. The real playing will begin - the secret strategizing for the end game, the careful picking off of not-so-weak players, using certain people to get you ahead. Up till now the votes were generally cleaning house. Well, except for CG. They need to dump Clay and Jan (bless her soft heart).

Shortnsweet

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Robb said that he thought life was nothing but working and getting high, I figured he had finally been sober long enough to see something other than himself and his own little world. I am not implying that he is a drug "addict", but rather someone who uses often. People who use drugs on a regular basis become very closed-off from the rest of the world.

Kaili

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
he said getting "wasted"...that may well mean nothing more than drinking.

He's from Tempe- it's a college area- lots of bars and parties. Very fun town with a long stretch of all resturants, bars, etc with outdoor eating, two levels, misters going all the time. It's where ASU is located.

Magikearth

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it would have been very interesting,maybe even inspiring-to see Robb's transformation from a "skateboard kid" to a mature,evolved young man.We'll just never know what could have been regarding his change of heart.I just didn't get the impression he was faking and/or playing them.

His brash,say-anything style could have manifested into some great positive energy.
Underneath that bad-boy posturing lies a sensitive guy who probably had alot of pain in his life.JMO

His parting words were touching and heartfelt-no bitterness there.
I miss him already!<sigh>

Bastable

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ocean_Islands, I didn't see any actual evidence that the tribe was taken to "a different level." They let Robb talk honey and then they booted him. I'll bet that next week, it's right back to the same old bitchiness as always. I think Jeff was just scripted to give them a little lip service.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I also wanted to point out that a lot of this "manipulation" came out when Robb was drinking. ??? Now that doesn't fit either. In Vino Veritas!

I completely understand why people didn't like him, but I just as completely do not understand how he could have been perceived as manipulative tonight. That is just one adjective that would not be on my list of "words that describe Robb". We definitely all see people differently!

BTW, I didn't think Jeff looked relieved either when Robb was voted off. Jeff's comment to the remaining SJs along the lines of "you seem to have had some growth, but you just voted off the one guy who is responsible for it" really seemed like a dig to me. Remember in some spoilers Jeff himself referred to a despondent hero who started off cocky but who you grew to like or root for? I'll eat my pajama bottoms if Robb isn't Jeff's "despondent hero." With Jeff's no nonsense attitude this season, I don't think he would have said that if he himself hadn't grown a bit fond of Robb. Jeff has been very matter of fact this season, he isn't going to be sentimental about someone he couldn't stand.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who are we going to talk about next week?! :)

Seamonkey

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ken confronting Shii Ann, Clay vs Jan, merging..

Hermione69

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Always plenty of fuel for the fire, huh?

Good night guys! Way past my bedtime! (I just spent 2 hours trying to decipher Push, Nevada!)

Lycanthrope

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So long, skateboardman. You kinda grew on me toward the end of your stay, but there was a lot you had to overcome. It was just too much. Good luck, youngster.

Sia

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When the vote is not unanimous for expulsion from one of the tribes, there are usually two targets. In this case, for whatever reasons people had for voting against her, Shii Ann was the other Sook Jai targeted. I prefer Shii Ann to Robb, so I was satisfied with the outcome of the vote.

(Robb and Shii Ann really didn't get along; they voted for one another. Did anyone get the final count of who voted for whom? Thanks.)

Car54

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robb voted Shii, everyone else voted Robb.

Wendo

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sia, as far as the vote, all voted for Robb except Robb (of course) who voted for Shi Ann. Robb booted from the game 5 votes to 1 vote.

I'll throw my hat into the ring about Robb's "relevation." I'll be honest, Robb wasn't a fan of mine, I just never warmed up to him. Overall, I did find his comments around the fire to be, for the most part, sincere. But, I do think they were said in an effort to save himself too. (And, there's nothing wrong with that.) It's really unfortunate that he wasn't more open and up front from the beginning. I think he would have lasted longer.

I also think they voted Robb off over Shi Ann because he's a stronger player. All of them are aware of past Survivors and knew that the merge happens when ten are left. (Assuming there's a merge this time, there may not.) Anyway, if you're going on the assumption that a merge is coming and, after that merge it's no longer team immunity but personal immunity, who would you keep? The stronger physical guy, or the smaller less physical girl? Were I voting, I would've gone with Robb too, because in a physical challenge I would have difficulty beating him.

(However, I also found him quite annoying, so that would have played a part as well.)

Anyway, long story longer, personally, I'm glad he's gone. I just didn't enjoy watching him on the show as he so much camera time was devoted to him. So, I'm hoping we get to see more of the others. I thought his comments were sincere for the most part, but too little, too late as they say. Wish him good luck though.

Sia

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Wendo. I'm so relieved that Robb's vote was the only one cast against Shii Ann. I missed that last vote. I'm not able to keep up with this season's Survivor like I have past seasons, sorry.

Robb's annoyance-factor weighed quite heavily against him, imo, his revelation about his spiritual growth notwithstanding.

Alegria

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 02:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey RobB (with two 'b's) love your feeling that gratitude, dude. Awesome!!

Risa

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 02:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Robb's graditude greatly annoyed me. I hate to see anyone kiss ass. I really hate it. He just needed to shut up and quit thanking everyone. It made me sick because he was a great asset to that tribe and they bit him in the ass and he bent over and let them do it. I like what Jeff said at the end.

Shelb724

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 05:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
you're right about that one. even with his speech at the campfire--it looked like people were just trying to be pensive and think and he's just babbling on. i wonder if he really did change his attitude once he was off the show. something tells me he didn't.

Webkitty

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 05:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Robb's "revelations" were real to him at the time. I think he wears all his emotions and thoughts on his sleeve but some of it might have been manipulation to try and save himself (not that there's anything wrong with that)

I sort of felt sorry for him last night. He grew up never knowing his father. But, for the most part he was obnoxious so it made it kind of hard to switch feelings at the last minute. Maybe that's how SJ felt too.

Car54

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 06:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Webkitty. I did not think he was faking it. He is not the deepest person who has ever played the game, but I think the experience did mean something important to him.

Not to say that expressing that was probably a good strategy considering the politics in his tribe...it was probably his only chance to save himself. It didn't work, but it was probably worth a try.

Jagger

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll really miss him on the show, he was so entertaining, the rest of the group seems so dull and boring. He seemed like the only one to add any excitement to the show.

I beleive he was telling the truth when he was talking about his feelings about the others and also about his feelings of what he will take back home from the experience.

I'm not sure who will take his place in the entertainment area, hopefully someone will be able to fill his shoes so that we do not get totally bored watching the remainder of this season.

Webkitty

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't see a transcript of the Early Show listed anywhere here yet so thought I would post what I can remember.

He had a weird hairstyle but seemed down to earth (as much as he can be) and said he didn't go on Survivor for the money, but to find himself? (can't remember the exact words)

Julie said he looks like Tommy Lee and wanted to know if people tell him that and he said almost every day (I think he looks more like Billy Zane, especially that little eye flick thing Billy does)
He said the compairison to Tommy Lee does kind of bother him because he likes to be unique, but Tommy Lee is good looking so it doesn't bother him that much.

Oh, and he was voted most eligible batchelor in his home town (before he went on Survivor)
Julie wanted to know how THAT happened! LOL (then backtracted, it was funny)

He will explore all opportunities that come his way, and he said something about finding love (as in love of life)

Note: all of the above PP (I missed the first part on the interview)

Hermione69

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 08:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Webkitty:

Here is a link to the transcript for Robb's Early Show visit.

http://www.survivorfever.net/robb-earlyshow.html

Pagal

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He also mentioned that he is a very emotional person but didn't show that side of himself until right before he was voted off. Said that he likes to be happy and make people happy.

Juju2bigdog

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just now watched part two of the Early Show interview, missed part one. Webkitty did a good job of summarizing the interview. His hair was dark brown with a big blond rooster comb sticking up the middle and down the back of his head.

He was seated in a rather low lounge chair that was wrong for his size, so that his knees were about a foot higher than his rear, making him look awkward.

Kaili

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One thing I noticed between him ans Shi-ann. On this vote, yeah they voted for eachother but their comments were nicer about eachother when they voted this time. Before it was just- "I don't like you, you annoy me, I'm voting for you". This time it was more like "I am starting to like you, you aren't that bad of a person but I'm still voting for you because you haven't redeemed yourself to me enough yet".