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Hermione69 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:56 pm     http://survivornews.net/snn.php?sid=spoilers is where Snewser posts his predictions, but he is very cryptic and rarely gives away his reasoning process. |
Webkitty | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 02:07 pm     Thanks Hermione I'll go there now and bookmark. |
Webkitty | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 02:23 pm     Ok, I went to Survivornews (the link) and couldn't find anything posted by anyone. I couldn't see a discussion board at all. There appeared to be some sort of banner in the front, with a Survivor background. The banner just had links to other sites, and aritcles, etc. What am I doing wrong? help! (is it because of my webtv?) |
Hermione69 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 02:31 pm     Hi Webkitty, It does start off with links to other sites, but if you scroll down, you'll see, in reverse episode order, who he has picked. He also includes links now and again that he deems relevent to the outcome, but he doesn't provide much, if any, reasoning, although if you go to the SNN Scorecard there is a little more. There is no message board there that I am aware of. For this episode, he has a picture of Ted, a big equal sign, and then a picture of toast. Ted = Toast. He does stuff like that; it's part of his aura. He also still has that link up to Helen's recipe for success comment. Even though it was apparently taken totally out of context, he's keeping it up just to say she won't last much longer. That's how he works. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 02:32 pm     It does sound like you are getting to the main page, though. Try copying and pasting the link instead of clicking on it. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 03:36 pm     C1mag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have missed you too. Jesus. Do not disappear like this again. Jesus. |
Spunky | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:42 am     Did anyone notice on the preview last night, Clay, Helen and Jan seemed to be talking like at Council but Brian was not there!! Could Brian be the last fourth to go?? |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:58 am     There is a photo of this posted at Blows and Brian is there, you can only see his shoulder and the immunity necklace. So people are speculating that he either wins immunity again or this is the Fallen Comrades challenge which often occurs at the TC and he just hasn't handed it over yet. |
Webkitty | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 11:08 am     Yes! I saw this too. I think it is BEFORE they start the challenge. Like the shot of them in the truck was BEFORE the RC challenge, lol! (just HAD to bring that up! and thanks for the kudos last night Herm) I don't think CBS/MB would give away a clue like this (but you never know) |
Whoami | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:06 pm     I was wondering when that TC is too (where you can only see Brian's shoulder). One thought is, as Herm said, that it is the fallen comrads challenge, and Brian hasn't handed over the necklace yet. But, two things make me rethink this. First of all, Jeff always says, "First things first, XXX, give me the Immunity Necklace." Then he gets into describing the challenge. Second, they are showing clips of a physical challenge. When does this take place, before or after the TC they are showing? I would guess that the physical challenge happens before the TC they showed on the preview. And, Brian would be a good candidate to win that challenge. If you look closely at Jan and Helen's expressions when Clay is talking about that million dollars, they both have a pretty sour look on their faces. Does Brian win IC, and somehow Clay gets voted out? There are two shots of TC where everyone is still wearing the same clothes. Jan in blue shirt, Brian in black, Clay in yellow, can't remember what Helen is wearing. In the first shot, we are supposed to believe Brian is not there. But we see his shoulder, sitting just off to the right of the screen (and to the left of Helen), and we see the necklace. In a later shot, Brian is there, sitting behind and to the right (our left screen) of Jan or Helen (cant' remember now). He is in full view, and does not have the necklace on. In this shot, we don't see Clay. So, did Brian get up to hand over the necklace, and go back and sit down in a different spot? Doubtful. People don't usually do that. They typically return to their same seat. So this must be two different TC's. But they must be back to back, cause everyone is wearing the same clothes. Typically, the Fallen Comrades is at F4, and the super endurance thing is at 3. But, MB says the challenges are all new. So maybe we shouldn't count on these. So, I'll guess...there is a physical challenge that Brian wins. Clay gets voted out. How it pans down from there at F3, I don't know. But I'd be willing to guess that Jan and Helen could team up and take each other to F2 if one of them wins the last challenge. |
Djgirl5235 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:28 pm     Okay - here's my thoughts... I just spent about 15 minutes really scrutinizing the vid-caps at Survivor News, and I have noticed one thing: The pic that they show of J,C,&H in TC and you see B's shoulder with the IN on is from the TC last night (Ted was sitting beside Helen on the first row, Jan on the opposite end). If you look carefully of the pic of JH&B you will see Clay's shoulder in the lower right hand side of the picture beside Helen... looks like Clay wins the first immunity... I'm thinking it's going to be the purple rock if Helen can pull things together! Of course, this is all speculation, because both Clay & Brian have previously won immunity, so they could have very carefully edited the TC promo's from previous TC's to make it look like Brian wins one, and Clay the other... One thing to note, if you go onto survivorfever.com, and look at the "congrats" pic for BHC&J, Jan's wearing a totally different coloured shirt, in the pics for "next" week, she's in a blue one... |
Whoami | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:21 pm     Hmm, I could have sworn I made sure to check their clothing, to make sure the "hidden Brian" TC was not the one from last night. Jan's shirt in the preview clips is blue. I thought it was yellow (or, at least not blue) in last night's TC. I'll have to go back and check my tape later tonight when I get the chance. |
C1mag | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 07:39 pm     Did anyone bother to tape last nights show? If so then I'd like someone to do me a favor. At the very end they did a preview of next weeks finale and at the very end of the preview there was a real fast vid cap of the remaining 4 one by one as the voice mentioned that the winner would be chosen next week. The faces flew by real fast. I recall that Clays face was shown last as the voice was speaking about the winner. I figure since Clays face was shown last the sequence was not in alphabetical order so if anyone could tell me the sequence from first to last I'd sure appreciate it. Just wondering if this very fast little montage was a clue as to how the boot process and winner will go.... Thanks! |
Meggieprice | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 08:39 pm     Hey C1! Nice to see you in December! Here's a thought: I am wondering if we can draw any conclusions from the fact that Clay, Ken, Jake, and Erin were at Penny's wedding. Four votes for Clay??? I am not happy thinking this. I am also not happy if Clay and Brian are the final two. I REALLY want to spoilers to be wrong. |
Seamonkey | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 09:41 pm     Meggie.. we do know that Penny has stated that she invited EVERYONE to the wedding; Clay was one who chose to go. So it doesn't necessarily mean what was assumed by many, that he had more bonding time with her on the jury. I agree, I want the spoilers to be gone. |
Azriel | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:35 pm     Did anyone notice last night, in the opening credits after Brian's pic there was a flash of sunlight and what looked like a star pattern in the flash? It made me go hmmm... |
Cyn | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:53 pm     yes, i noticed it, too; and i went, huhhh... |
C1mag | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:29 am     Merry Christmas Meg!! I'm not happy about the spoilers either, but editing suggests that only Brian and Clay knew how to play this game so if they end up in the final two I'd say they worked the people the hardest. Of coarse editing also suggests that this group was not that hard to work. I've called this season of Survivor... " 14 suckers and 2 dudes who played"..Very boring and very predictable. I didn't catch the little Star pattern that Azriel is talking about but my theory on any contestant that MB favors in editing as the winner with things like star patterns is usually the one that doesn't win. I'm still wondering if anyone has got the last show taped and if they have ran that little face montage of the final four that goes by real fast with Clay being shown last as the voice mentions that a winner will be selected. I'd still like to know the order of that face montage to see if it goes exactly how the results will end up. |
Webkitty | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:42 am     <webkitty gets up off her butt to look at the tape for C1mag> |
Alaginger | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:52 am     "Ginger sends webkitty this little thank you picture for getting up off her butt to look at the tape for C1mag"  |
Webkitty | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:53 am     I saw the flash at the beginning that Az and Cyn are talking about, but I'm not seeing the montage. Was it at the end of the show C1mag? ARe you talking about this past Thursday's show, or the one before? |
Webkitty | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:54 am     Awwwwww, thanks Ginger <sits waiting for instructions> |
Webkitty | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:02 pm     Never mind, I just read C1mags previous post, be back in a minute. |
Draheid | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:04 pm     I think one of these is the montage you are talking about, with a big graphic '4' on the screen, Jeff says, "There are four left", then they cut to: 1st Brian 2nd Clay 3rd Jan 4th Helen Then Brian again saying, "'ve come a long way baby." Back to Jeff and the graphic '3' saying, "Three tribal councils." Quick shot of the outside of the tribal council area, inside the council (can't make out who's there), closeup of Clay & Helen, outdoor shot of Clay with his hands in the air yelling. Back to Jeff and graphic '2' saying, "Two shots at immunity." Helen & Clay climbing a rope 'wall', Brian running and reaching for something, Jan yelling while jumping over something. Back to Jeff saying, "And in the end," graphic '1 Survivor'. Jeff, "only one survivor." Quick shots of: 1st Helen 2nd Brian 3rd Jan 4th Clay Shot of Clay standing behind Helen & Jan saying, "We're not talking $20, we're talking a million!". Jeff closeup saying, "That's what makes Survivor the ultimate game!" Then finally, a promo for the 'Reunion Show' with Jeff saying, "Then join me for the reunion show. No singing and dancing, just answers to questions you've been asking." Hope this helps! Edit to add: Oops, sorry webkitty, didn't mean to step on you're effort!  |
Webkitty | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:27 pm     Draheid, that's what I came up with too. I'm glad you verified it because my husband was having a fit because he wanted to watch THAT tv right THEN, grrrrrr. (we've got 4 freaking tv's in the house!) I was hoping I got it right, even with slow motion it went by fast. First time: Brian, Clay, Jan, Helen. Second time: Helen, Brian, Jan, Clay The only one consistant is Jan. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:34 pm     True Dork Times has posted their picks for the final four's finish line: http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/spoilers/ In short, they pick Helen to go next because they think Jan wins the Fallen Comrades immunity challenge. Then Jan will go because the F3 challenge looks very physical and she won't win it. That leave Brian and Clay in the F2. They think Brian will get more votes than Clay and have congratulated Brian as Sole Survivor and for playing a near perfect game! |
C1mag | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:45 pm     Thanks!!! and yes it was the montage at the end of this weeks show. Lets see if the results match the montage. I'd be shocked ( and a little happy) if Brian got booted before the final 2. We shall see.... I will say this.. If Jan and Clay are the final two my pick is Jan for the win. |
Webkitty | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:48 pm     I saw that too Herm. The first set that went by confirms this in reverse order. Brian(winner) Clay(runner up) Jan(F3) Helen(F4) Looks like we might have the rest of this season figured out. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 01:01 pm     If Brian wins, this will be the most boring Survivor EVER. He was so obvious so early on, apparently even to the casual viewers if the weekly Ultimate Survivor Poll at CBS is any indication. I remember reading many posts at Sux quite early on from people saying Brian has already been giving to us as the winner. Couldn't just a little more suspense have been created?? YAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNN! I know a lot of you disagree with me and would be thrilled because he is not UTR, but this, to me, is a boring Survivor. There were way too many signs pointing to him from the start. Oh, TDT has also projected the jury vote here: http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/survivometer5.htm Basically, they predict Ted, Jan, Helen, Jake and Ken to vote for Brian with Erin and Penny's vote ranked unclear. Webkitty, you may yet get your sweep! I need to stay off the boards for S6. I enjoy it more when I am not overanalyzing it. I doubt I can do that, though. I'm addicted. |
Whoami | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 01:04 pm     You know, I was watching the Early Show interview of the TAR Wonder Twins last night. There was an ad for what would have been that night's edition of Survivor, when Ted would be voted off. They did the "face montage" there too, and the faces flashed by in this order: Helen, Clay, Jan, Brian, Ted. The only constant again is Jan, being the third face shown. Wouldn't it be interesting if the last face shown is the bootee (going by Ted being the last face shown on Thursday Morning's preview, and then he was booted that night). That would mean, on the first face montge from Thursday night's preview, Helen would be the next one voted off. Then Clay (from the second montage). Perhaps Jan wins the right to take whoever to the F2, and takes Brian? With Jan being the only constant in all three montages, and never the last face shown, perhaps she either wins this whole thing, or wins the last challenge and takes Brian with her. She could in fact win against Brian in a vote. She is well liked. And by now, many of the jury members will be feeling betrayed by Brian. |
Webkitty | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 01:17 pm     Herm, I have a feeling that the YOUNG SJ won't vote for the old man. Just a feeling. Brian is good looking, Penny and ERin are young, it adds up. But, I will say if anyone won't vote for Brian, I think it may be Penny. Has anyone noticed whenever they fade from the jury, Penny is always given a closeup with that, ~I'll get you~ look on her face? I have a feeling she is going to give a show, and this is a clue. She seems the most vindictive to me. I didn't think Helen would feel bitter before, but now I've changed my mind. I think she's going to take getting booted HARD, no matter what the circumstances. She might let it rip, like Sue Hawk did, the rat and the snake. |
Alaginger | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 09:04 pm     Okay......I'm totally confused right now and hope somebody can help me out. In Draheid's entry above it says - "Helen & Clay climbing a rope 'wall'". Is that from previews of the final show? If so, if TDT is correct and Helen goes down in the "falling comrade" segment in a question and answer type contest, why is she climbing a rope wall in the physical contest if that one is the F3 contest? HELP!!! Am I missing something? |
Catfat | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 09:59 pm     I don't think Brian is going to win this. I think there was a major spoiler in Ted's CBS chat, saying that Brian's time is coming to be voted off. See my exact quote in the Ted post boot interview thread. I'm too tired to type the whole thing again. Yeaaaa anybody except Brian. |
C1mag | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 11:41 pm     Alaginger... Good catch! Maybe this means that the "Indiana Jones" type of challenge comes before fallen comrades or Maybe fallen comrades and the Indiana Jones type of challenge are combined in scoring? .... Ok obviously I'm ready for this thing to be on so we can stop guessing |
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