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Ocean_Islands

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was so mad when Ghandia didn't solve that puzzle!

They should have let a man do a puzzle like this; men are more spatially-oriented than women, according to scientific studies.

Grooch

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OI, are you bored today?

Hermione69

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"They should have let a man do a puzzle like this; men are more spatially-oriented than women, according to scientific studies."

Jed on the other team certainly zipped through it impressively fast.

Grooch, can't speak for OI, but yes, I am bored today.

Weinermr

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Pamy

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
...and were the studies done by men????????

Weinermr

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And things were just beginning to quiet down in here...

Car54

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ocean Islands. Don't make me come over there.

Haven't you been in the Robb thread?

Don't you know how many angry women we have on this board?

Rod

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
but actually OI is right, I think, that many studies over many years by many different psychologists of both genders have shown that ON AVERAGE, men are better at spatial puzzles than women. It is recognized that there are differences ON AVERAGE between the "wiring" of the male and female brains.

Certainly, many women are better spatially than many men. These tests are about "average"... ie given 100 men and women, usually more men will perform better spatially.....not ALL , just more.

Since these people did not know each other at all, maybe it would have been better to go with the law of averages and pick a man?????

Of course, who knows. Maybe she volunteered!

JMHO FWIW

Hermione69

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Probably no one thought about it. I doubt in a high-pressure immunity challenge like that, someone is going to think to pipe up, "Oh wait! Men, on average, are better at spatial puzzles! Better let Ted or Clay or Brian or John do this one!"

Car54

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
^5, Hermione.

Squaredsc

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol. well kathy from last season was horrible with puzzles. not that i am supporting the theory.

Chiparock

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roddy Mancuso, is that you??!! Sounds like one of your logical elucidations!!

Juju2bigdog

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would guess she volunteered so that she could make an intellectual contribution rather than a physical one. I was rather surprised to see Jan doing the swimming part of the challenge, but I bet she volunteered as well.

I think Ghandia just panicked under the pressure.

Babyruth

Monday, September 23, 2002 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, how about we reverse things and encourage all little girls to be physically active and to play mostly with building blocks, and encourage all little boys to play quietly and sweetly and to play mostly with dolls and feed them, and then see who on average has better spatial ability later....:)

I think she just choked under pressure, and she couldn't hear me yelling at her thru my TV set.....

Fruitbat

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 04:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would have volunteered for that challenge and most likely done well. I love that type of puzzle. I have many of those games. Friends give them to me for gifts when they find new ones. I think I own all that are on the market now.


<< just had to throw that in :) >>

Awareinva

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 04:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have felt all along that she must have volunteered for the job.....since only three of the eight had to do a task, there must have been discussion about who would do them. Probably they were under pressure -Jeff P. saying you have two minutes to decide.

Either she volunteered because 1)she usually is good at puzzles and this one just wasn't what she anticipated, 2)she is brilliant at puzzles but she choked under the pressure, or 3)no one would volunteer, so she finally said Ok I'll do it because someone had to.

My guess is that she probably volunteered because she is good at puzzles. I don't see anyone in this group refusing to step up and volunteer, especially early in the game. I think in viewing the tape again that she just froze when she got up there. A good part of the time she wasn't really DOING anything, kind of deer in the headlights behavior. I'm sure as the lead got cut and then lost, she was freaking inside her head "OMG,OMG!! I am going to lose this for us!"

I think she really is good at mental puzzles but the situation was too much for her. Doesn't bode well for her if that is the case.... Survivor is all about dealing with stress and pressure.

Ocean_Islands

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 05:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes I'm sure she volunteered for the job. The thing that I hate about watching the teams on Survivor is that there is very little teamwork.

They should have gotten together and found out what people's talents were to be prepared for this type of thing.

There are also studies that say that stress greatly diminishes one's capacity to perform.

Obviously there are lots of different kinds of puzzles and lots of different kinds of intelligence.

And yes I am bored.

Men and women are good at different things -- not always and with everything. But instead of the knee jerk reactions to the comment, can you at least acknowledge this reality? It wasn't meant as a slam against women or men.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 05:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Ocean, of course I see that. My post was lighthearted and I wanted to brag. I love puzzles of all kinds.

Aware, exactly. One of the three.

Car54

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 06:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course it was.

Bat, you definitely would have been good at that type of puzzle...I can see that in you!

The challenge happened on their third day...they are cold, wet, had to find food, water,shelter....did not have time to share the results of their psychological testing.

Maybe next time they will have time to be more organized.

Babyruth

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OI, the smileyface at the end of my post was to let you know that mine was a friendly disagreeing response to your statement. Just couldn't let that old stereotype go unanswered...:)

I'm glad they didn't vote Ghandia off because of her goof. Actually, to view it in a positive light, their losing the challenge afforded them the chance to get rid of John and pull together more as a team.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree the better strategy would be to find their talents and weaknesses, before competitions.


Well isn't that "spatial". (for Weiner)

Marysafan

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Babyruth, I LOVE your positve take on it. You have a very good point there!

Tabbyking

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
where's that bong when we need it?

Duncan

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 12:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ghandia just had a brain freeze, and it seemed to me that everyone on her team realized that....they were all screaming at her from the boat, and when she said she was stuck, they just starting screaming louder, thereby putting even MORE pressure on her. IMHO. Could have happened to any of them.

And JUJU, I would be too surprised about Jan's swimming....she does triathlons, after all. :)

Grooch

Tuesday, September 24, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if it was seperated into people who paddled could not do the tasks, and the people who did the tasks could not paddle?

If so, that adds a lot more into the equation of who was going to do the puzzle (or any of the other tasks.)