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Quietstorm4

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From Scott at Survivor Sucks:

Episode titles so far:
Ep1, Sept 19: The Importance of Being E...est
Ep2, Sept 26: The Great Divide
Ep3, Oct 3: Family Values
Ep4, Oct 10: Gender Bender
Ep5, Oct 17: The Ocean's Surprise
Ep6, Oct 24: The Power of One
Ep7, Oct 31: Assumptions
Ep8, Nov 7: Sleeping with the Enemy
Ep9, Nov 14: Desperate Measures
Ep10, Nov 21: While the Cats Are Away
Recap, Nov 27
Ep11, Dec 5: A Big Surprise...and Another
Ep12, Dec 12: The Tides Are Turning

The full listing for this episode will be:
Survivor: Thailand
The Tides Are Turning
60 min.
A 12th castaway is voted off the island. Jeff Probst is the host.

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I got this from Blows:

"Interestingly, on the weather chart at survivorfever, TC11 and the first day of Ep12 show the highest "tidal height". Starting Day 35 (2nd day of Ep12), the tidal height goes down..."

Could have a double meaning with this one!

As far as in the tribe, it could mean that the perceived balance of power has shifted. Who do most of us think has the power right now? Brian is the first one that pops into my head when I consider this quetion. Love him or hate him, he has done a great job, so far, of "playing the game." He's sitting pretty right now with Ted, Clay and Helen apparently aligned with him and each possibly thinking they are #1 with him. Maybe this is the episode where his many alliances find out about each other and turn on the "master" and Brian is forced to take the walk of shame.

Essence

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's an interesting take. It could also mean that one who is perceived to have a lot of power, gets booted in Episode 11. And now the tide is turning in Episode 12.

Who knows, it could be as simple as the weather.

Zipsdaddy

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Jake and Clay will have it out..... Jake gets at least Ted and Jan to join him (because of the "pecking order" he says he learned)
Clay gets booted out..... the tide has turned...

Zipsdaddy

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course, if Jake wins the next immunity, either B or T or J or C or H will have to vote off one of their own...... that will cause a lot of long standing alliances to crumble, and force new ones to allign....

Pamy

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Has anyone been able to get into survivor sucks.com??? I can't get in

Car54

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't there a scene last week where they showed how high the water was and how it impacted their ability to catch any food? Maybe now they get something to eat.

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pamy, I was in Sux earlier. Are you trying to post or just get to the site?

http://pub124.ezboard.com/bsurvivorsucks

Pamy

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just get in to read the funny summaries, thanks for the link, Hermie!!

Pamy

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I have it confused with another site, I went there and I didn't see the summaries, does anyone know what site they are on??

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Pamy, Survivor Blows has some summaries:

http://web.realitytvworld.com/survivorblows.com/episodes.shtml

So does Reality News Online:

http://www.realitynewsonline.com

And finally, Television Without Pity which can be very mean, but very hilarious:

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=47

Pamy

Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Herm, I really miss our daily chats!! Damn ABC!!

Webkitty

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It looks like Ted and Jan are vulerable next week unless they win immunity. Maybe Helen.

It also looks to me that Brian feels the same way about his commitiment to Clay that Helen feels about Brian. Obviously, she defered to Brian this week.

I think Brian is the best player since Richard Hatch, I really do. He looks gaunt and stressed, but still has his head in the game.

Since the spoiler that Ted's brother went there to compete in the IC turned out to be true, I will buy into the rest of it that somehow his brother knows he makes it to F3. (although I can't see how he would know that)

So, that leaves Jan or Helen to go next week.
I really want Helen to make it as far as possible, so I'm going to say Jan goes. For now.

And it looks like that get that Blazer next week, too.

Hermione69

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Web, according to Sux, that F3 spoiler puts Ted there with a female. Which totally turns everything upside down. Come to spoilers and share your thoughts! :)

Do you think the spisode title means nothing but high tide? No big change in the game?

Mygetaway

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 12:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ON THE NEXT SURVIVOR (From CBS Site)

Feeling rebuffed by a former ally, one Survivor hatches a plan and enlists the support of unlikely new allies. Maybe Ted, enlisting Jan and helen? We hope!

Having won a Reward Challenge, a tribe member becomes overly excited, shouting and rolling on the ground, while others stew bitterly in their loss. Well, this sounds like Ted, since we just witnessed him doing that when he won immunity..

One Survivor overindulges in wine and shows a new side of their personality. We've already seen Jan when she's drunk, so who is it this time? Helen. Or is it Brian, does he finally slip?

Seamonkey

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 01:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I can't see Brian rolling on the ground over winning the car! In fact I could see Brian not trying too hard to win that reward.

I kind of thought Helen wasn't pushing to win immunity tonight; after winning reward, I don't think she wanted to push her luck (and having won immunity last time).

Rolling on the ground? Clay or Ted I'd think.

After tonight I could see Helen feeling rebuffed by Brian, but I'm guessing this will be something else.

We've only seen Brian and Jan get drunk. I was under the impression that Ted doesn't drink? Maybe it is Jan and she finally lets it rip and gets nasty?

Fruitbat

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 06:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen may be in trouble. We see she trusts and is close to Brian and yet she was unable to sway his vote to Clay. Certainly everyone else would have agreed. He has all the power if Helen continues to allow it. She is pivotal here. And Brian is clearly aligned with Clay.

Hopefully this title means she turns things around and insists on Clays exit going against Brians wishes. She told her husband that she would not be there now if it were not for Brian. I don't see that she has ever been in danger. She is giving him too much credit. He is out for himself and will betray her to win, as he should. This is a game.

Sounds like Ted wins the car. No one else would roll around on the ground. Ted does not drink. We could see an new side to Jan. This could be any one of them.

Last nights episode certainly gave credence to the Brian/Clay F2 spoiler. No reason for Brian not to agree to vote Clay out unless he has an alliance with him. Makes his bond with Ted and Helen look shaky.

Webkitty

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 07:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The first part of the CBS statement doesn't make sense to me.
There are only 5 of them left, all from the same tribe, no one is really an UNLIKELY ally at this point.

I think all of them would roll around on the ground at winning the SUV, except Brian. He already has a garage full of lux cars, and is more restrained than that.
Clay is natually excitable, from Helen's comments about the lux cars in Brian's garage, it sounds like she could use a new car, I can see Jan doing it, she cries and gestures wildly at the drop of a hat, Ted was shown rolling around on the ground last night with his brother. Its wide open (for me) at this point until some more vidcaps come out.

The person who overindulges and shows a new side to their personality could be Ted, BECAUSE he is the only one so far who hasn't had any alcohol. Maybe he decides for whatever reason to imbibe one time. We have no clue what kind of drunk he would make.
Jan is a happy drunk and is not going to change her stripes, imo. Brian just gets sick and I don't think he wants to go through that again, plus the end is near and his wheels are turning hard, he needs to focus, I don't think its him.
Helen and Clay have imbibed in the past, with no personality changes that we have been shown.
My guess is Ted, at this point.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 07:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted said he does not drink and went on to describe what it is like being in the company of those that do. Sounds like a choice for him, maybe a very necessary one. I don't expect him to change that.

And YES! I totally agree that there are no unlikey alliances. sheeeeesh. They are clearly desperate for promo lines.

hmmmmmmm well, maybe........Helen and Clay against Brian? Naaaaaaaa, couldn't happen.

Car54

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the unlikely ally is Jan. She HAS no apparent alliances, she has never talked about strategy...and on the surface she is the next one to go...and is viewed as a powerless follower, but hey, she is no threat for challenges, and she packs a vote.

Someone is going to use her to unexpectedly to try to take control.

Maybe Ted, Maybe Brian and Clay to get rid of Helen...not sure yet.

Webkitty

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jake said on The Early Show this morning that the reason he kept voting for Jan was because she had told him that she just wanted to make it to the jury, not nessesarily win.

If she told him that, the rest must know it too. They must all be desperate at this point to choose someone to vote that won't hold a grudge. Jan seems the likely vote. They reasoning would make sense in that situation too. I can see them saying, well, she said she just wanted to make the jury........

Another possibility, it looks to me like the rest are getting fed up with Clay, an indication that he MIGHT be next, but I bet he wins immunity this week. He's hungry for it and has proved he can do it. I would explain how he gets to F2, if you believe the spoiler.

In S1, Sue, Kelly and Colleen were getting ready to vote off Richard when he won that fire building IC, so Colleen got the boot instead. I can see the same thing happening here.
Clay is the target, but wins immunity, so Jan goes with the reasoning above.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>Feeling rebuffed by a former ally, one Survivor hatches a plan and enlists the support of unlikely new allies.<<<

Who would feel rebuffed? Jan does not seem strongly aligned with anyone to feel rebuffed. Helen possibly, by virture of sharing the same sex and workload.

Ted seemed ready to vote Clay and could feel rebuffed by Brian, perhaps. He is operating under the allusion they are a team. I think this is likely. He must have questioned things when Brians refused to vote for Clay.

Having said that, I am pretty sure there was a concensus that Jake was the next pick to keep things orderly and logical. Smart too. Jake was a loose cannon and Brian was in danger with him around. He had no control over him.

Helen could feel rebuffed by Brian. He made the decision to vote Jake and was not ready to eliminate one of their own.

This one is hard to call but I lean toward Jan or Helen.

The women bonded over recipies and working. It is too risky to take one to the end. The "well I want to see a woman win this" has been said before as woman jury members vote.

Grooch

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It has to be Clay feels rebuffed by Helen.

She did go to Brian and try to get him to boot Clay. Maybe Clay & Brian had planned to take Helen as part of the final 3.

Brian went and told Clay about Helen's conversation and he goes to get her booted next.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Possibly but that is not Brians style or has not been thus far anyway. He was shocked when Helen went to Ghandia and repeated his conversation with Ted.

I think he is into keeping his lips tight. He has the power so he doesn't have to tell Clay about Helen. Clay will vote her off without that info. Brian wants Helens vote in the final heat.

Interesting to note that the Chewy jury members will be faced with voting for those that voted them off. Since they are the only ones that remain, that is more loaded than past juries.

Grooch

Friday, December 06, 2002 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok. Then the only other one would be that Ted feels rebuffed by Brian or Clay. He realizes that Clay and Brian are tight.(Helen goes to him, to try to get rid of Clay.) And he tries to get Jan and Helen to vote him off.

How about that?