Tonight's Show Oct 31
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Spunky | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:39 am     Finally an episode with some zest...well the twist, even if it's more like a Big Brother twist, sneaky!!!! I think Shi Anne lost more because of this "devilish" twist than her turncoat attitude. What's surprising is the fact that Ken warned her but she didn't get it that it was not a merger. And why was Ken so sure it wasn't a merger....so smart? Mmmm sounds fishy to me. |
Csnog | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:48 am     Yes they are foolish not to have tied their food up but then again maybe a monkey could still get at it no matter what they do to try keep it safe. We now know the jury members. Just a matter of trying to figure out the final 2. Jake has had absolutly NO face time. Will be here for awhile. Leader and dark player of his tribe. At one time I thought that Jake and Ken were co-leaders but not now. It has been Jake all the way and using Ken. Brian is keeping his comments to camera time only. Very business like. Helen is also low face time and proved she can keep her mouth shut. Clay was great at getting information from Shii Ann. I don't think Jan was drunk but simply fell or tripped. She had a lot of face time and may be the next to go. Ken's story line seems to be finished as the policeman of his tribe and getting rid of the players that Jake and Penny have deemed unworthy. Ken knew he also was never in the alliance of Jake, Penny and Erin. Penny is Jake's leading lady. Loyal and she needs him also. Erin is a follower and is staying with the obvious strength. Shii Ann would have been the next to go no matter what. She has been protected by Jake but was never in the tight alliance of Jake, Penny and Erin. Jakes fatal mistake was to have Robb voted off. Robb was absolutly LOYAL to his team unlike Shii Ann. This may be the single event to cost the Suckies to be voted off. JMO We need to start a speculation thread. |
Calamity | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:04 am     Csnog: I think you're right that it was a mistake for SJ to vote Robb off so early. They were expecting a merge but even so it would have been better to go in teamed with a strong player versus one who sat out many challenges. I was amazed that Shi Ann was so open with CG. She must have really felt ostracized at SJ. She shouldn't have so blatently courted Clay, Ted, etc, but I ended up feeling bad for her anyway. And even more amazing, I actually liked Clay in this episode. I was expecting it to remain team immunity since Jeff never did say the word "merge" but really wasn't sure until they got to the challenge. They'll probably keep two seperate tribes for at least one more immunity challenge to give SJ a chance to even things out again, just to extend the drama. But who knows? Great video of the monkey (thinking he's a macaque?) helping himself to the chow. He had more discretion than Robb did. |
Grooch | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:07 am     Why does everyone think that it was a Jake, Penny, Erin alliance all along? I don't see it. |
Csnog | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:36 am     Because MB does NOT want you to see it yet. |
Grooch | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:44 am     Good point. I thought maybe I missed it in the show last night. |
Cricket | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:49 am     Sorry if this has already been said, but it seemed like the producers set Shi Ann up. She and Clay were the first to pick a basket. The basket they picked was the big round black one, which was very prominent. Who decided they would go first? I felt badly for her last night. How different and exciting it would have been if the tribes had actually merged and the 'brats' had their comeuppance. I have looked since the beginning to try to see what was supposed to be so 'bad' about her. I have never seen her do anything wrong or act badly. The more I see of these 'reality' shows, the less faith I have in human beings. Why do they all have 'gang' mentality? Does no one think on their own any more? I understand the two bimbos voting out ShiAnn and even the arrogant Ken, but what was up with Jake? How could he do that? Grooch, I too never saw a Jake, Penny, Erin alliance, but it just may be. That would explain Jake's vote last night. Both he and Ken agreed that ShiAnn had been an outcast on their team from the beginning. Common sense would say vote Penni out, but no, they further make ShiAnn an outcast. Clay came across much better last night. He was very nice to ShiAnn. I don't like Ken any more. Yes, it is important to be true to your team, but if your team is wrong, should you go along anyway or do what's right? I hope the players saw the tape of ShiAnn sticking up for Ken and Jake and feel bad for what they did. I so hope Penni doesn't make it to the last two. Well, my picks were totally wrong last night, so it's off to the Suck Thread for me. |
Karuuna | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:59 am     Maybe they didn't merge because after the merge it's always a matter of one tribe picking off the other, which gets oh-so-boring. Maybe they won't merge at all? Or not until much further along? I think it was a great way of at least delaying the Pagonging Effect. |
Karuuna | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:59 am     Oh, and I think TVCH should adopt the monkey and name it Juju.  |
Cricket | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:00 am     Okay, I taped the show last night, so I just watched part of it again. Here's what Jeff said to the group: "You're starting over; building a new world" Shortly after that it shows ShiAnn saying "It ended up being a merge" and Jan said "A huge successful merge." Now, don't you think as this was being heard by the producers they could have taken the people aside and told them it wasn't a merge? This was too sneaky and not fair. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:07 am     I like Shii Ann and was sorry to see it go this way, but as far as fairness goes, I didn't see anything unfair about it. JP says all the ICs and RCs are already set up in advance and even though they have the right to change them, they don't. It was just her time. The producers wouldn't tell them it was not a merge because they wanted them to think it was. They probably loved hearing it because I bet that was exactly what they hoped would happen. Talk about the assume cliche being true. Poor Shii. |
Csnog | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:49 am     The obvious clue was they did NOT get new buffs in one color. |
Cricket | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:53 am     Hermoine, what are IC's and RP's? You're probably right that the producers wanted them to 'think' it was a merge. If they start doing things like this though, how will the constestants be comfortable trusting them? I thought the idea of the show was to surprise us, the viewers, and keep us guessing. Never dreamed the same held true for the contestants. Yes, you're certainly right about the 'assume' cliche. Now, if this had happened to Rob, I would have been laughing my butt off. Too bad it happened to someone I actually liked and wanted to see get ahead in the face of adversity she faced on her own tribe. |
Jagger | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:02 am     Csnog, you hit it right on the head, no new buffs, no new flag, they were not told to rename the tribe, although they did rename it on their own. I think most of them, if not all of them, thought they had merged, but as Jeff said he never told them they merged, just that both tribes would be living on the same island. I loved the no merge thing and I realized before their little convo that there would not be a merge yet. I'm just glad it turned out the way it did and She-ann got the boot. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:11 am     ICs and RCs-- Immunity challenges and reward challenges. Supposedly they are set up all the way to the end before the show even starts. I did not watch S3 Africa, but heard that was when MB started to try to shake things up because the Survivors were becoming too complacent and sure of the formula for the show. That is when he first had tribal switches. The switches continued with S4 and he also introduced the previous votes don't count rule because it was influencing voting patterns at TC (tribal council) too much. So I'm not surprised the producers wanted to do something new again. The best part of this may not become apparent until S6 because they, hopefully, won't know what the heck to expect and will stay off-balance the whole time. By keeping the Survivors guessing, he can keep us guessing even better. |
Csnog | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:34 am     Survivor 6 has started filming and the players are not seeing Survivor 5. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:47 am     Really? Wow. That's quick. Oops. My bad. |
Meggieprice | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:05 pm     I am really disappointed the way this played out because it was so heartening seeing Shii relax and feel more accepted...and like Cricket I would have liked to see the brats go. More and more I see this show (and don't get me wrong- I love it) as a slickly packaged,edited, and manipulated drama and less of a Reality Show. Meanwhile, my son Zachyd just bought the soundtrack so my house in continually filled with the music not just of the opening theme but the dramatic votes. He loves to say "I hate you,I despise you, nothing personal" making fun of Robbs vote against Shii while the music plays...lol! |
Mygetaway | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:12 pm     The Producers didn't correct them on their assumptions of a merge, for the same reason they didn't tell them where the fish net and fishing boat were. It makes for a better story. It increased our number of posts this week, or at least it seems that way. I think it was kind of a good "trick" but I wish that Shii could have had a chance. It was really nice to see her happy. I think the monkey is going to get it. I bet he's glad he's protected or Helen would have his head. I had this crazy dream last night of Jan running around holding the monkeys hand teaching him how to behave politely and be a good Chuay Gaun.. LOL AS for Brian, for some reason he reminds me a lot of Roddy. His "MO" isn't the same, but his thinking behind the way he acts is, or at least it seems like that to me. What's sad about this Survivor is I still have no clear choice of who I want to win. I was kind of rooting for Shii, but now she's gone. I thought I was starting to like Penny, but now I don't think so. I don't really like Brian. Oh well. I agree. The Monkey to win!! LOL |
Pamy | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:15 pm     I don't know if this has been stated but after they showed Brian throwing up they showed something being poured into the cooking pot(and it looked gross and chunky, at first I thought 'Oh God, they are gonna eat his vomit!' |
Ariasmum | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:20 pm     Whoa, I think he was just dumping leftover soup out of that pot in the morning before he washed it. |
Ariasmum | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:36 pm     I think Brian had enough sense to move away from everyone and throw up on the sand away from camp. I am interested to know who is urinating right where they sleep as it appears will be in the next episode. Ewwwwwwwwww! |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 12:38 pm     I think it is TV Guide that reports it to be Ken who is disgusted with the hygience of the CG men. I think I saw that on Sucks or Blows. So maybe Brian whizzes to close and the spray hits Ken and what the heck have we done to ourselves talking about eating vomit and stray urine????????? |
Curlyq | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:33 pm     The more I think about it, the more interesting this arrangement could be. This makes it even harder for the tribes to plot against each other, especially if there are sub-alliances within the tribe. Now there are even more people to watch their every move and take advantage of perceived weaknesses. Let's say one of the SJ members finds out that they've been kept out of an alliance within their tribe. That person can go straight to CG and join an alliance with some of their fringe members, exchanging information like Shii Ann did. Sooner or later these tribes will have to merge and having a third alternative alliance could make things very interesting. I have to say, if my tribe had treated me the way Shii Ann's treated her from day one ("Dude, let me see your hands! Let me see your hands!") I wouldn't feel like I owed them one ounce of loyalty. Her biggest mistake was not switching tribes when she had the chance. |
Pamy | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:37 pm     LOL Herm! ps..rewatch the tape and tell me that they edited that scene to make ya think it was vomit! I don't know if I will be able to eat veg beef soup again! |
Yuhuru | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 03:17 pm     Pamy, lol!I thought the same thing. |
Risa | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 03:22 pm     As I said before, what goes around comes around so She <> got hers. I never liked Ken or Penny and hope they both go soon. |
Needmylifeback | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 03:55 pm     Thanks for the update. I just plain forgot to set the VCR when I took my son Trick or Treating last night. I knew I'd be able to come here and get the scoop! |
Cricket | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:15 pm     There is a soundtrack for this show, Meggie???? Wow! Thanks for the info on RC's and IC's Hermoine. Duh, I should have realized that. You know, you could see the wheels turning in Shii ann's head when given the choice to switch tribes. Curlyq, I'll bet she'd like to live that moment over. She couldn't have done any worse had she switched tribes. After reading Shii ann's interview with Julie Chen this morning, I thought, sheesh, I've got to get a life, I think I was more upset about her booting than she was. I had to laugh when I read your post about the dream, Mygetaway. I guess we're all involved in this show somewhat. Meggie, you hit it on the head with your description of what this show is becoming. It seems very manipulated. If these guys keep messing with these reality shows, they are going to walk them right off the screen. Let the people do their thing. It will be entertaining. |
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