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Hermione69

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Jan would be the surprise boot to non internet people. This makes me lean toward a Jan boot, but I'm still not 100% sure."

Interesting that you say that because similar thinking is coloring my opinion of Brian. I was at CBS.com today and they have a "Who do you think will be the sole survivor?" poll and Brian has garnered a consistently significant percent of the vote since about week 3. His two biggest competitors for awhile were Erin and Ken before their boots. Helen is just starting to get noticed. I know it is internet based, but I would think that particular poll would be more representative of the typical viewing community than a poll from a spoiler site, particularly in light of the fact that so many people were picking Erin and Ken whom we all knew were doomed. That alone makes me think Brian will NOT win Survivor. He's too obvious and has been for a long time. I don't think MB wants to give it to us that easily. The only person the typical American viewer has correctly picked to win, IMHO, is Ethan. I was a typical American viewer for the end of S1 and I never would have picked Richard. Nor Tina. Nor Vee. (Although by then I had started to read the spoiler boards, but I was so convinced it was Kathy that I didn't give them a lot of credit until they were right!)

I really can't wait to see this episode. I, unfortunately, feel compelled to believe the TDT spoiler, but I don't quite know how that will play out and I'm looking forward to seeing it unfold.

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sux has died down a bit since the TDT spoiler, but they are saying now that there is some weird, cryptic clue out there about "follow the gold star" that is along the lines of the "follow the sun" spoiler that hinted to the Ethan win. Who has the gold star? Brian. Apparently in the form of a tattoo on his leg. Might be interesting to watch for that on Thursday just to see if it shows up. It was all very cryptic.

Some are also talking about the comment by Helen's hubby, "She's not here to come in third" being foreshadowing that she comes in third. I've wondered about that myself. It was definitely an interesting remark to choose to air. I mean they spent 24 hours together and must have had many, many conversations. Why zero in on that one? Just a thought.

Queenfish

Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Car 54. You are right on about Helen thinking Brian is Colby from SurvivorOutback when actually he is Rich from Survivor 1. I never thought of it that way. Good Analogy.

Car54

Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Queenfish. I think Helen's husband's comment was put in for a reason and it isn't good.

Hope she wises up. I think she is going to be VERY interesting on the jury. Brian is setting a new standard for Survivors. This is a very very interesting guy. I hope he wins just so we find out what he is thinking. Kinda scary.

Webkitty

Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
CAr, you are right about Helen thinking Brian is Colby when he is really Rich! (in the game) I don't think they are anything alike in real life, jmo.

Herm, there is a post over at SB (I think it was there) from someone who lives near Helen. The poster reported that the cooking statements by Helen were taken out of context by the local paper and posted the whole article to prove it.

The jist of it was Helen and her husband cook a plum pudding for a church event every Christmas.
She was talking about the plum pudding! lol!
Not Survivor! The newspaper took it out of context as a headline grabber. The poster said the WHOLE story was buried in back of the paper.

And I agree about Sux. Their posting has dropped off a lot since the spoiler. We have just as many ideas as they do. AND, we have Buttercup!

Catfat

Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if this has any relevance, but I think if anyone would have been able to talk to everyone privately, it would have been Helen. She said she has gone for water, along with another person each time, everyday except once. She would have the best chance of communicating and bluffing and forming alliances. Just a thought.

Car54

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 12:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Catfat, you are exactly right. Helen has actually been alone with everyone, and the pic with Ted shows that she has some kind of relationship.

She could still save herself if she gets it together, but it usually doesn't happen. My only hope is her promo statement that she is playing both sides.

Could be her, could be Ted this week...the order does not matter much.

If I were Brian and Ted I would get plenty of water in store, and boot Helen simply because she is getting to be a bit higher mainenance. I bet she is going to push Brian to prove his commitment...she can be very persistant. Jan has achieved her goal...and is not asking anything. Once Helen is gone,there is nothing Ted can do except an immunity run.

Ladytex

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you're right Car. I think Brian's comments about her owing him were due to pressure that she is bringing on him about Clay.

I hope the spoilers are wrong

Car54

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 07:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
me too....I would like it to be a surprise...MB used to be able to pull off VERY successful total surprise finishes...it would be nice if that could still happen.

BTW... it looks like most of you read the Spoiler board over at SS. If you don't read the Spec board, you are missing some great ideas.

My current fave concept is that Brian's real secret alliance is with Jan...and the way he gets to boot everyone else is that from now on, he gets Clay, Helen and Ted to boot each other...he votes Jan at each TC...(And she knows he is gonna do it)... then at the end, his hands are clean.. he steps back from the F3 challenge and gives it to Jan, lets her take him to the F2...his hands are totally clean and he has not betrayed any alliance.

Way too grandiose...but it would be great fun if it happened!

Webkitty

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great idea Car, but I would think after the stink fans put up last year about Vee, that MB would not keep the winner, or the F2, hidden from us like that again.

I don't know if I could bear another Colby/Tina finish.

Maybe I am in denial because I want Helen to last another week, but my gut says that Jan goes now. I think it would be a surprise to the casual weekly watcher. The rest of them are all up front and center right now.

I hope the spoilers aren't true either (and all of my ramblings) I would like to see Helen win this thing.

Hermione69

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The thing about Rich and Brian is that no one ended up feeling betrayed by Rich. Brian doesn't really remind me of him in that respect, but you got it right in that Helen thinks he is Colby when he's not. I agree with that absolutely. The reason I don't see him as Rich is that didn't Rich tell everyone he would lie? The others never felt like he was leading them on and ended up respecting his strategy. Even Colleen said she was going to vote for him until Sue's speech made her feel so sorry for Kelly Brian, on the other hand, is trying to be all things to all people and his little crew may very well end up feeling betrayed and thus cost him votes. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Brian is in a class by himself. If he sweeps the vote as Webkitty is predicting, everyone will try to be him for awhile!!

Buttercup

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still doubt that Jan is going. Also, Clay is supposed to be at work tomorrow...I'm just sayin'

Buttercup

Car54

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oHHH....BUTTERCUP...GOOD JOB!

Hey, it is just spec..... that is really the fun part of Survivor. I think if we get to know anything about Brian...we are going to meet a very very interesting guy. I still want to hear the details of his "plan" from HIM. If he manages this, he is setting the bar much higher for future players and he DESERVES the million-no question.

At this stage in the game it really does not have much to do with the game itself or the challenges...it is all about managing the jury...we saw that with BB3 and Danielle..she played hard, had a strategy, and blew it with the endgame.

The only thing that makes me even speculate on this is that we have NO on camera info from Jan about any relationships or strategy...and we have Brian saying he has a "plan".

I still think it is Helen or Ted...doesn't really matter much which order, if they don't get with Jan and do something.

Hermione69

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's great fun. I enjoy it a lot. I would like to hear Brian's strategy also. Clay and Brian will definitely make for an interesting F2.

Webkitty

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WTG MsButter! We should have been nagging you for more info all season! j/k!

Did Clay give any hints about Jan? I think you mentioned something about this before but I can't find your post right now.

Car54

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am just fascinated by the "image" Brian has created, and the person we have seen a couple of times when the mask slips. That plus some of the life choices he has made make me want to hear a little more about him.

Hermione69

Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting life choices! I wonder if he is doing this to get away from that part of his life, especially now that a child is involved. Winning the million will definitely give him some freedom to start over.

Of course, he could use the money to create "Jack Hoff Productions, Inc., Entertainment for Consenting Adults."

But this is America! That is his right!

Hermione69

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Acme, Snewser, and TDT pick TED to go.

Car54

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That sounds like it could happen. Ted or Helen... the order really doesn't matter.
And hey, he makes it to F5, probably wins a car...that is darn good.

Bet he is pretty moody on the jury tho.

Car54

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mess Hall picks Helen.

C1mag

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's a sad fact... If they booted Brian at this stage I honestly think these folks wouldn't know what to do. They all ( with the exception of Jan) seem to appreciate and embrace a deal made with Brian. They all see themselves in the finals with him. I'd say he is going to be in the finals. Now the real question is who does Brian think he can beat? My guess is Clay. Brian knows the voting pattern. Ted will go tonight without immunity. Right after that Helen will go next if she doesn't get immunity and weak little Jan will follow. She'd be the easiest one to beat in a final 3 and Brian gets into the finals with the person he thinks he can beat in a vote. Who knows? Clay might beat him once that Jury gets to talking. Sometimes it's not the best game to tell everyone you are aligned with them. It's better to just say you have their back and be evasive about who you are really courting for the finals. Plus Helen has a mouth and she may not want to give him the larger amount of money for reasons she has already stated. Perhaps this is why she wanted to go with Brian to the finals. She figured no one would give him the grandprize because of the video but he could win the immunities and take her with him. Ahh well wish I had a spoiler .. hahahaha! Still think it's gonna be Clay and Brian in the finals.

Car54

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, I have sure missed you!

C1mag

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Car... I've lurked most of this season for Survivor. I hate to admit this but although I've watched the show this group hasn't interested me too much.

I think MB picked some very weak players for Survivor Thailand and because of it, it's been hard to get involved with the chatter. However, since we are nearing the end I can't help but type out my theory on the end results.

I never thought I'd watch one of these games where the whole island would be suckerd enough to believe they were aligned with the same person and then none on them talk about it with one another until they had been played out of the game after helping him to the finish line. Thats what I mean about being such a weak group this year.

Anyways... If I'm not posting I'm always lurking. I love this board!

Car54

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
:)

Webkitty

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Could someone provide a link to Snewsers's website? If he doesn't have one, where does he post at? I keep seeing references for him at all the boards, but have yet to find any of his posts!

SB says he picked Ted to go, where can I read this? anyone?