Episode 8-- Sleeping with the Enemy
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Micknrc | Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 08:25 am     As always, via Scott from SS. Hmmmm.....sounds interesting, post merge, jury members only. Discuss. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 06:23 pm     This is pure speculation, folks (rubbing hands together gleefully!) Everybody from this episode on has at least made it to the jury. My guess is that SJ and CG go into the merge with equal numbers and have to have a tiebreaker at TC. That will be episode 7. Let's say CG wins the tiebreaker and now it's 5-4. The CGs have the upper hand to start picking off the SJs. One of the SJs attempts to defect to the CG camp to avoid being picked off and is therefore "sleeping with the enemy." |
Csnog | Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 07:03 pm     My guess is Shii Ann. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 07:26 pm     We don't know how a tie will be broken. Will it be a rock in a bag as last time? I think they have tossed the quiz in order to force someone to change votes or not create a tie. |
Sia | Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 07:44 pm     Could "Sleeping with the Enemy" possibly refer to an event like the one when Kathy and Boston-Rob, who were from different tribes, spent the night in the temple and had to come up with a name and flag for the newly-merged team? |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 07:52 pm     That is a possiblity Sia. Good thinking. |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 08:12 pm     maybe robb has to sleep by himself?! |
Mygetaway | Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:43 pm     From Survivor Fever: Airdate Nov 7 Members of the two original tribes consider forming alliances with some of their new mates. Also, one castaway gets disgusted by the hygiene habits of others; and an eighth person is voted off the island. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Maybe Helen tries to cozy up with the hut sleepers, and Ken is the one who gets disgusted with the Chuay Men's hygiene? Any guesses? |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 12:58 pm     I think it is more likely to be Shii cozying up to the CGs from the preview of Ken questioning her loyalty. I don't see Helen "defecting" at all. I can't imagine how that would benefit her and she is very shrewd. As far as hygiene, I have no idea, but how in the world could that be bothering someone? What would constitute good hygiene out there?!! That seems to be on par with Robb complaining a |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 01:03 pm     Robb complaining about Shii Ann's eating habits. They are not staying at the Ritz! (hit post too soon before!) |
Lycanthrope | Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 03:17 pm     Just speculation, but I'd think the hygiene thing has got to have something to do with Jan. I agree w/Hermione that it seems ridiculous to have problems with someone's hygiene in that environment though. As far as defections to another tribe, I'm thinking maybe Clay buddies up with some Sookies, especially the Texas group. I read somewhere that Clay was at Penny's wedding, and that he was the only CG tribemember to attend. So that leads me to believe that the two of them became friends/allies. Who knows, though. |
Csnog | Tuesday, October 29, 2002 - 04:59 pm     Naw. It's just their first night together. All 10 of them. One more boot before the jury starts. The jury is made up of 7 people so they can't have a tie vote in the end. |
Kitt | Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:07 pm     This year they should have 6 or 8 in the jury and let Jeff Probst settle a tied vote . |
Essence | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 05:26 am     I guess now we know where this title comes from. Didn't Ted say they are 'sleeping with the enemy' last night? |
Mygetaway | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:27 am     Essence, yep, I'm sure that's why that became the title. It describes it perfectly. Plus the only Sook Jai they really got to know well will now be gone. Also, I guess I was pretty close above when I said Ken is the one who gets disgusted with the Chuay Men's hygiene? That is pretty gross. Why would they "go" right there, unless it was an accident. |
Cc1976 | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:20 pm     I would bet anything that SJ wins the immunity. |
Micknrc | Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 09:36 am     CC (1976 was a VERY good year **snerk**)-- I agree. SJ HAS TO WIN, otherwise Ken will be gone (sob) and the Pagonging will begin.... |
Meggieprice | Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 11:16 am     Sucks WILL win. MB , I am sure, saw to it. I really saw the way they can manipulate everything to go the way they want it to. Who's to say they didn't wait to decide if it would be a true merge or not based on how the wind went with who would be booted- and didn't like the idea of Penny going so changed things accordingly? That whole thing felt wrong to me. I love this show, but it is NOT Reality TV. I think they can choose favorites and ease their path. I have no doubt there will be an IC slanted towards the Sucks next time. Then Jan will go cause they think they need to keep the strong ones only to merge and wish they kept a weak one. |
Micknrc | Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 01:15 pm     yeah, meggie, go meggie... |
Fruitbat | Monday, November 04, 2002 - 11:53 am     Eyemail: Despite living in the same camp, the tribes are still divided, making cohabitation a breeding ground for conflict. And Sook Jai's issues with Chuay Gahn's domestic habits just add fuel to the fire. SURVIVOR:THAILAND, Thursday, November 7, 8PM ET/PT. Still in teams one would think Jan will sit out during the IC challenge. Ted, Brian, Clay and Helen (pretty strong team there) against Ken, Jake, Penny and Erin. Chewy could win this easily. Their spirits are high, they are smart and strong. |
Webkitty | Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 07:12 am     I would tend to think CG wins this week too, because next week's episode title is Desperate Measures. The first thing to pop to mind is that SJ loses again, (causing them to be desperate) but there is a spoiler at SS (technically unverified but from a trusted source, according them, I'm just a lurker there) that says that Clay recently made a comment that CG doesn't go to TC "for awhile" after Ghandia left. So far, this has come true. Is this week the last week that they compete as tribes? We don't really know. If it is, then I would say that CG would have to lose to fit in with his statement. To me, "for awhile" means they DO go eventually to TC before the merge, if there is one this season. (although I would think there would have to be at some point) Either way, I would be surprised to see anyone other than Jan or Ken leave this week. Ken's story arch is peaking, a sign that a Survivor may be on the way out. There are tensions between the tribes, and it looks like he is bothered by CG's habits more than anyone else. To keep peace, I can see the rest of SJ booting him, especially if they think IIC is around the corner. Plus, he is on the fringe of the J/P/E core alliance. I would be shocked if these three turned on each other at this point to keep Ken. JMO. With Jan, MB has shown us that she has been Forrest Gumping her way through this. Maybe he is showing us that ANYONE can get to the end with some luck, but I don't think so. Although she isn't a threat for IIC (imo) maybe she is the cause of CG losing IC challenge this week. I would also be surprized if she was part of any alliance on that tribe. I think when Helen voted to boot Ghandia, she became the third of the B/T alliance. Clay MAY find out that he is not as tight with T/B as he thought and it could cause him to go this week, but in the same spoiler I mentioned above, he says that we will be will surprized how far he goes in this game. What he thinks is far is anyone's guess. He is also on Ghandia's "smokers list" but since the next bootie will be first on the jury and not at LL with her, I am discounting this. Note: there is also a spoiler at SS (VERY unverified, just so you know) that an "older woman" makes it to F4, but I think its Helen, not Jan. The same spoiler indicates that Ted also makes it to F4, and a "shaggy haired" man (Brian) and a young, blonde girl (Penny) Take this with a grain of salt. I have also read here and there that Penny is reported to become a "dark player" Yikes. I am feeling more and more that Penny and Brian are our F2. I am less than happy about Penny but thrilled with the prospect of Brian. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 09:13 am     Webkitty, I am with you in thinking that no one from CG will be booted this week. I am hearing spoilers from all over the place that support this theory. People who have been into serious spoiling since S1 strongly believe in weight loss spoilers and repeatedly warn people who argue against them to discount such spoilers carefully. All of the CGs left have significant weight loss spoilers. And I mean significant. We are not talking about 15-20 pounds, but double that. Anyway, I hate to think Penny makes it to the final two, but if she does, hopefully it will be with a CG and voting will be along original tribal lines and so she will lose to the CG. That's just my personal wish. I'd like to note, though, that the National Enquirer, when they covered Penny's wedding, reported that she does not win. Now we know this is the NE, but they did break the Ghandia story pretty accurately. For them to feel she does not win, then by extension, she shouldn't even make the final two. If this is the red herring of all red herrings, why report accurately about Ghandia? Even Stephanie was booted not long after they wrote about her. There is another spoiler that Ted makes it to the Final Four because he supposedly gets a visit from his brother for an RC. Ted definitely has spoilers on his side that support his longevity. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 11:55 am     I think they stay in teams this week and next. Desperate Measures tells me that Sook is desperate which would mean they are competing again as a team next week. Jan will sit out this IC. Why not? Chewy wins and Sook goes to TC. So who do they vote out? They cannot vote out Ken can they? He is their strongest player. Jake or Penny. If Penny is reported to be a dark player we have only seen the begining of that so I say Jake goes. I think the blonde in the final 4 could be Erin. (Her hair is streaked blonde) Chewy goes to TC next week. |
Quietstorm4 | Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 08:03 am     Media Game is up for this week. Questions are as follows: Who will be booted this episode (77 Minutes of Fame) Who will win immunity? (65 Minutes of Fame) Who will win the reward? (52 Minutes of Fame) How many people will vote at Tribal Council? (35 Minutes of Fame) Who will say "monkey" first? (45 Minutes of Fame) Aside from the booted player, who receives a vote? (25 Minutes of Fame) Will Magilla be the most interesting aspect of the episode? (22 Minutes of Fame) |
Micknrc | Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:28 am     okay--assuming what seems to be obvious, that is the tribes will still compete for tribal immunity this week, and I think (hope) this will be the last week of this non-merge limbo, answer me this: Why do all the various sites/posters seem so positive that the sookies will lose again? I've seen nothing in the vidcaps that is a solid indicator of the result either way. And while I agree that if Chewie does win, Ken is probably toast (Jake will ride those two lil chicks as far as he can), I just don't get why everyone is so hellbent that sook loses again this week. Ideas, anyone? ah, well, it's probably just me trying to figure out a way for Ken to make it to the individual ICs, where he would have a tiny chance of sticking around longer.....sigh |
Hermione69 | Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:56 am     Almost all of the spoiling sites credit their feelings that it will be a Sookie leaving because of the weight loss spoilers for the remaining CGs. They all lost bunches and bunches of weight. Of course, everyone lost a lot, but for it to be considered a significant weight loss spoiler, the numbers have to be quite high and the weight also had to stay off before they made it home. People like Tanya and Stephanie who reported losing around 15 pounds, did not return home with a 15-pound loss-- it was what they lost immediately after their experience and they put some back on while at Loser Lodge. I'm not a spoiler; I report what others have said, but most of the sites say, "Pay attention to those weight loss spoilers, don't discount them just because you don't want it to go that way." Also, someone else caught that althought the signs are there for it to be a tribal IC, no one was spotted sitting out the challenge in the vid caps as should be the case since CG now has 1 more on their tribe. So there is a tiny, tiny possibility it could end up being individual. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:10 am     Interesting speculation on the Reward Challenge from True Dork Times: "Reward challenge: Chuay-Gahn win again A couple of points here: We've had no shots at all of a reward challenge. But it's quite possible that the RC this week comes after the IC, as Mark Burnett himself mentioned would happen, before the show started airing. Why is this? Well, several of the scenes from the post-ep7 preview showed Chuay-Gahn members hanging out with Sook-Jai, such as the shot of Brian pulling the boat out with Ted and Jake, and the women hanging out by the fire. But from the previews, one of the major events of the show is the Sook-Jais splitting themselves off from the other tribe, and finding a new cave. Later promos have shown lots of scenes of the segregated Sook-Jais talking, crying, and hugging each other, all off on their lonesomes. This is important, because when Ken discovers Magilla has stolen the bananas, and when Ken is pulling out the boat, he is dressed the same as at the immunity challenge. In the bananas scene, Sook-Jai appears to still be in the CG cave. So the banana theft likely occurs early, as does the IC. This then allows "the most emotional twist" to be the Sook-Jais having the entire episode to stew in their juices, trying to decide which of their "family" to off. We think the Sook-Jais, demoralized by their IC loss, will then also lose the RC, giving them even more opportunity to sit around and mope. Which, at least, is something they're well-practiced at doing. Chuay-Gahn wins." It also discusses the IC and predicts a boot. Here is the link: http://www.truedorktimes.com/s5/spoilers/index.htm |
Micknrc | Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:18 am     Thanks, Herm, I generally read tdt religiously, but I think they must've updated recently, since I don't remember seeing all of this. I still say it's mostly speculation based on the EMB interview and clothes, but hey, tdt is more often right than wrong (I personally felt acme was ripping them off last season and taking the credit) "Muscular man-servants--prepare the barge for the Queen of DeNial!" |
Djgirl5235 | Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:37 am     This is one thing that I just noticed while looking at the pictures posted on TDT... If you look at the one with Jeff & the Immunity Idol, you will notice just off to the right (under the Survivor logo) there is another "bottom" of something else. If everyone remembers, as each tribe merged in past seasons, the tribal immunity idol was set down and a new one introduced at that immunity challenge. Could the new idol just be a smaller version or variation on the tribal??? Only a few more hours to go!!!! |
Ruditoo | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 03:20 am     Whew!!!!! I just went to another site and feel like I stepped into a world. Scary! I'll just say "there's no place like home,there's no place like home.... |
Egbok | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:45 pm     Welcome back Ruditoo! |
Ruditoo | Monday, November 11, 2002 - 02:04 am     Another Night Owl,Egbok or insomniac ? Thank you for the welcome back! Can you tell I don't like it too rough ? lol |
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