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Fruitbat

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That would be good if they did not see the huge mistake in that challenge on Marquesas!

Car54

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they were already filming at that point in Marquesas airing, so they may not know how fatal that was. Hope so...anything to liven this up, huh?

Fruitbat

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes.......I will take anything at this point. Even Jan going.

Webkitty

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, there is a thread over at SS that makes a case that Jan will make it to F2.

I think the RC will be crucial this time. There seems to be much scheming and plotting going on (much of which we don't get to see, just hints of it) and being away from camp for a long, lux reward would NOT be in the best interests of just about anyone there at this time.

I was surprised at Brian for not letting Helen win the RC last time. I thought he was more savvy than that. I still like him and hope he holds back next time. Whats more important, winning an elephant ride or a million dollars?

One thing though, I get the sense that this seasons group has more bad blood than all the rest combined. I have seen more grudge like attitudes in post boot interveiws than ever before. They all seem to be there for the money (as it should be imo) except Jan. And none of them seem ready to forgive and forget that easily. I can't see this bunch voting for someone to win the million because they were outplayed and hold a measure of respect for that. I think they will go with who was the "nicest", just a feeling, which leads me back to Jan. She just might win if she gets to F2. Especially if she is up agaist Penny.

I would love Helen and Brian to be the final two, but I haven't seen any spoilers with this combination. Actually, I've been seeing that one of these two might go next. Blech.

Fruitbat

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I did see that and many other theories as well. Each one makes sense to a degree. Either Brian or Helen going next makes no sense to me.

Jan winning gave me pause.

I am still pretty convinced that Jake goes this week unless he wins IC then it will be Clay.

Webkitty

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jake going next time makes sense unless he wins immunity, always a possiblity. If he does, the logical choice would be Penny, but no one seems to think she is going yet. Something must happen, she somehow turns things around for herself. Why would the rest of CG vote Clay off over Penny? Because he is an immunity threat? I'm trying to remember if MB has shown us that the rest don't like him but I'm drawing a blank here.....

Fruitbat

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The confusion over there is with the questionable spoiler that someone saw her in the final 3.

I am trying not to let that influence my logic. Jake and Penny are the next obvious ones. We don't know if anyone starts getting on nerves, thus putting themselves in front of her.

History has shown us that the obvious almost always happens. Marquesas was the exception and Africa was the worst. There were at least 5 different ways it could have gone each week. We hoped for alliance shifts and surprizes but none occured.

It makes total sense to get rid of the two remaining Sooks. I can think of many reasons why Jan and Helen should join Jake and Penny to get the men out but we don't know what deals they have made that we have not seen. To go against the boys and lose a jury vote is not good at all.

Caroline

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, WebKitty...said the same yesterday but as most indicate here, who knows--lol

Fruitbat

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read Sucks daily and am at a loss why we do not toss the theories and strategies about. I hate that this board is dead as far as Survivor is concerned. We talk about our woes, illnesses and strife which is fine but what about Survivor!

Gall stones and mental illness is heavy and important stuff but balancing that is good therapy.

So is Jan going to win this or what?

Car54

Monday, November 18, 2002 - 12:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here here.

Christina

Monday, November 18, 2002 - 03:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont want Jan to win. Just doesnt work for me!!

Llkoolaid

Monday, November 18, 2002 - 04:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan win, maybe, I can see it. She is safe for a long time because she is absolutely no threat and could be used to put down the big 3 guys, I can see Helen convincing her to team up with Jake and Penny. I wish I knew what is going to happen with Ted and the brooding over the votes he got. This could be pivotal in how the game is played out or it could be just another red herring for MB. Ted Helen and Jan could go a long way and Jan would be dangerous in the final vote. The jury will be devided and swing votes would more likely go to her because she was able to get to the end. She has always made an effort to be nice to everyone.

Anyway I can see how it could happen but I doubt that it will happen.

Seamonkey

Monday, November 18, 2002 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK from the email we now know for sure that it is Ted questioning why he got votes.. no big surprise, but convirmed in "print". Hope he doesn't pout TOO much.

Llkoolaid

Monday, November 18, 2002 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey, what email, I must have missed something again.

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, you posted "I think they were already filming at that point in Marquesas airing, so they may not know how fatal that was. Hope so...anything to liven this up, huh?"

Unfortunately, I don't think they were already filming for S5 when the coconut challenge aired. According to the TDT, the S5 contestants flew out for all S5 festivities (pregame and all) on June 4. Didn't S4 end in May? And if it didn't, the coconut challenge certainly aired before June 4. So surely one of them knows to be careful with the torch snuffing.

As far as the other topic, I think Jan has a good chance of making it to the F3, if not winning. I just dumped a lot in the Rate Their Chances thread on that.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kool, CBS eyemail.

Djgirl5235

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that Jan does have a real chance at the million, simply because Jake isn't stupid and will talk to certain (Helen) Chuay members about Clay setting up Ted the last tribal council - I really think that Helen, Jake, Jan & Penny will align this week and start picking off Clay, Ted & Brian, although, Helen & Jan may just pick off Clay, then realign with Ted & Brian to be the final four - interesting theories being thrown around though... keep 'em comin'!

Essence

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Djgirl, I thought Helen was in on the setting Ted up thing. Didn't she tell someone that Ted was next to go also? If that's the case, she may have set herself up to fall right along with Clay, who proved to be distrustful to Jake/Penny & Ted (if Ted finds out it was him).

I really don't see a Jan/Helen relationship. Other than being the only 2 CG women left, I don't see any kind of bond between them. I almost get the feeling that Helen doesn't like Jan. I don't know why I think that, I just do. Anyway, I say that to get to my point that I don't think there will be a Jan/Helen/Jake/Penny alliance.

Kitt

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone see the trailer last night? It sounded like Jeff's voiceover said that the winner of a game picked who was to be evicted this week! It was said so quickly I'm not sure if it was for the eviction, but that's really what it sounded like. Did anyone else hear it?

Ricki55

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I heard that too Kitt and was wondering if someone was going to mention it. That would really throw things for a twist if Jake or Penny won.

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow! I'm not seeing anything about this on any of the other spoiler sites yet, so if you guys heard this correctly, you may have hit on something big! I just don't know how that will play into MBs pretense of fairness as far as the game is concerned to let one person pick the bootee. I know a lot of people think he is very manipulative of the outcome, and he may be, but I think he at least likes to give the illusion of fairness (especially after the Stacy Stillman lawsuit!) and doing this might open up a can of worms. What do you think?

Curlyq

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are you sure it wasn't that video preview that says "the winner gets to snuff out the loser's torch" as part of a challenge? They show a challenge involving a bunch of torches, so I'm guessing whoever is left with their torch lit wins immunity rather than the right to choose who goes next.

Tabbyking

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
what i saw several days ago looked like jan was getting her torch snuffed, or was she snuffing someone else's torch? (gosh, that sounds like a euphamism for something!!)--- so it could not have been for the eviction. it must be a challenge of some sort, but why show us the actual torch snuffing? (not that i can remember if jan was being snuffed or the one doing the snuffing, so maybe it doesn't matter! it's hell to get old!)

Hermione69

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby, the way it looks in the previews is that each contestant gets three torches. Speculation is that maybe it is a questions/answers challenge and if the person gets a question right, they get to snuff one of the others torches. The last person with torches lit wins immunity. That is the speculation based on the previews, anyway. I think they showed a shot of Jan both snuffing and being snuffed. A lot of people are hoping for something akin to the Marquesan coconut challenge scandal. That one revealed the Rotu 4 alliance and their pecking order and led the way for Neleh, Pappy, and Kathy to realign with Sean and Vee.

Catfat

Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I'm lost again, as usual. What is the Marqueusan coconut challenge scandal? I watched all the shows and can't remember anything like that. Would someone with more brain cells than I have please refresh my memory? With details, please. Thanks.