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Dipo

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Seamonkey, I forgot he got ic

Csnog

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unless Helen wins IM next week shes gone. Clay will win IM and Brian will vote Helen off with the help of Clay.

Tabbyking

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Poser, each week you mention "still no push, nevada"..what does that mean? it's been done for weeks...

Fluff

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel really bad how tonight's show happened. I liked Ted, especially on tonight's show, and then when we finally get to see more of him, he is voted off. I hope Helen goes next.

Tabbyking

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wow, fuiortbta! you rea agnry!

Hermione69

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat??? You talking in code?

Wendo

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Re: The E! Online article...sheesh. Not the picture of domestic bliss we saw last week, for sure. And, from a cynical point of view, if Brian DID win the money, well, now there's no wife to split it with. Plus, she's the aggressor, who could go to jail. Hmmm...

Dipo, yeah, getting rid of Brian would've been good...but he won immunity.

Csnog, "Brian will keep Clay because the jury will dislike Clay more that Brian. It is the only reason he keeps Clay."

I do think this is what Brian wants, and what he believes. However, Ted did NOT look happy tonight and I could see him spoiling the jury against Brian. Why Brian? Because if the choice is between Clay and Brian, who would Ted feel most betrayed by? Yep, Brian. Brian made promises, assurances, and gave "friendship". This is where Rich (S1) was better. He made one, only one solid promise, to get Rudy to F3...and he did that. No one felt betrayed by Rich, just outsmarted. But with Brian, I think Ted and (likely on the jury) Helen will feel betrayed. (Sort of like Sue against Kelly.) Anyway....

I have to say, tonight, Brian bugged me, and I never felt that about him. He was cocky, arrogant, and, frankly, a jerk. First the comment about Ted not thanking him for the car; HELLO Brian, he won because you were the moron who couldn't spell "ROAD". Why should he thank you because you stupidly yelled out the two words. (At this point I thought, Brian, you schmuck.) Plus, Brian's done quite well in this game (won two reward challenges), why begrudge Ted who earned it; just as you would've had you won.

Second, about Brian, were his comments about his teammates when he was rattling off his "master plans". This is why Rich bugged me so much during S1 (arrogance) and I SO didn't want him to win because I thought it would be great to see the master knocked off his pedestal. Well, we didn't get it with Rich (yes, he earned the win). But maybe we'll see it with Brian. As much as Clay leaves a certain "distaste" in my mouth, at least he's not as "confident" as Brian. Brian thinks he has already won; Clay knows he still has to "earn" it.

Hmmm...funny how my feelings have changed regarding Clay and Brian.

Finally, though, if I could choose...I would want Jan or Helen to win. Oh well...

Tabbyking

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
fruitbat......or are you drunk and off home row on the keyboard!!?

Knightpatti

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow! I was surprised! Why all the talk about Clay and then Ted? I disliked Brian immensely tonight. He is calling all the shots. Was Brian upset because he lost the truck and then Ted did not take him? Anyway Ted came out a winner with the truck and 5th place.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can just imagine what that said, Bat!

Brian showed us his strategy tonight. Jan is next, she is disposable, (and she showed us she has never been in an alliance)he will be loyal to Helen, his trusted solder, and keep uncle Clay around because Clay and Helen don't like each other, they will both take Brian to F2 over the other. From the finger he gave when he mentioned Clay, I take it that he hopes Helen will be the F2 with him. Her instincts are right about Brian, but something happens.

We know it works out for him from the TDT spoiler, but he took a huge risk not getting rid of Jan while he had the chance. She could go on an immunity run, and he could end up in F2 with her, or get voted out.

Ted might spoil the jury for him, he should have gone with Jan.

Oh, and I was right about Ted being the one to get drunk! hehehe

Hermione69

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wendo, well said. I'm right there with you. Did you take up temporary residence in my mind?! Because I do have rooms for rent. You are uncannily echoing my thoughts!

I need to get off the computer before I go cross-eyed. G'nite.

Hermione69

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh yeah, before I go, you should get LOTS of points for tonight, Webkitty! You did an amazing job predicting how it would play out. You can't see me, but I am bowing down before you in awe.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione

Csnog

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Helen wins IC then Jan will go. On the final 3 Brian will fall back if necessary knowing that both Clay and Helen will choose him.

If Helen does not win IC then Brian will have Clay and Jan vote Helen off and Brian will vote for Jan. Thus Brian will have kept his word to Helen.

If they were ALL smart they would vote Brian out if he didn't win IC again but they act like teenagers needing the approval of the leader of their pack.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone notice in the previews that they showed, Clay, Helen and Jan sitting together in what looked like tribal council, where was Brian. Maybe it wasn't tribal council and they just wanted us to think that. Also they showed Jan very happy at a challenge, so maybe she doesn't go.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog, that is how I think it will work out too. Brian will (technically) stay true to Helen.

She will stay loyal to him too, and will vote for him to will the million, I'm sure of it.
Jan won't hold a grudge, so he just has to worry about Ted, and how he might influence the jury.
Although, Ted is NOT fond of Clay, it could still be a sweep. Ted didn't look too unhappy to me tonight. Maybe he was stunned, but in the previews of next week, he is shown taking his seat on the jury, and doesn't look all that unhappy. (this may be because he got a hot showed and shaved) lol.

LL, I saw that too, Jan was jumping up and down about something, but so was Clay. Ummm, this is going to be instense!
The three hour finale looks good too. Jeff said no dancing and singing, only questions WE want answered. They have been taking call in questions on The Early Show, maybe we will get to send in some via internet for the finale.

Car54

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan is probably more capable of winning Fallen Comrades than Helen.

If you pay attention, Helen talks to people a lot, but she kind of hears what she wants to hear. I think Jan has really gotten to know each of the people as they really are, warts and all, and I bet she could win it.

Jan could pull a MamaKim at the next IC. Hopefully they will know the right answers this time!

I think the best thing we have left to see is how Clay plans to handle the jury. He may not have to work too hard if Brian puts a foot wrong with the next TC. Brian made one enemy tonight on the Jury, and Ted now has 3 days to tell his side of the story.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did Jeff show all the votes tonight, or did he hold one back? CRS.

Csnog

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted won the truck and also $55,000.00 tonight.

If Helen wins IC and she doesn't take out Brian next week she has only herself to blame. Helen needs Clay just as much as Brian needs Clay to win.

We have to credit Brian with playing a brilliant game so far.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted didn't see them all, but we did, he stopped when their were 3 votes for Ted.

Fluff

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Webkitty, they did. Everyone voted for Ted but Ted.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Csnog we have to give him credit so far butI don't think he is going any further. I think Helen and Jan are going to vote as a block and Clay will vote for Helen. I think from that previews that either Jan or Clay win immunity. The women have to get rid or one of the men, they are the biggest threat in the final immunity. I think Bian goes next.

Risa

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Brian is a <>! If Helen doesn't get the rest to vote him out then she needs to go. Everyone wants to take smarmy Clay to the finish cause he can't win. As for sweet Jan, I can't see her winning a memory contest on the next show if that's what it is. I hope the smirk on Brian's face is gone for good. He can join Penny and they can smirk at each-other.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well Brian is most likely in the final two I think, even if he doesn't win immunity. Jan is gone next unless she wins immunity (if she does, I sense we might have a tie).....once she is gone, Brian doesn't have to win immunity at the final three, because Helen and Clay don't like each other, and won't take each other to the finals, and that will be one guranteed jury vote for Brian......If he does win, his best bet is to take Clay...

Then it's just a matter of picking up three out of the other six votes. He may not get all of the Sooks votes, but if he can pick up one or two of them, he'll win. If he's up against Clay as the rumor has it, It could even be a 7-0 whitewash. Helen might be a little closer...but Brian would still probably win.

Jan has to win out, and I don't know if she can beat anyone execpt Clay...

Helen will probably make the final three, but then must win...and then if she does, has to gut it out and take Clay with her.......

Clay is in the unenviable position of it's almost impossible to win, but he'll get second place.

It always seems to be at the final TC that there are only 2 or at most 3 votes "in play"....the others have pretty much made up their minds. And the finalists have to remember that people can be really petty sometimes...so if they are fishing for an apology or something, offer one up, even if it isn't true. (that's what cost Neleh last season.....the Rotu Four wanted her to apologize to them for upsurping their plans and not accepting fifth or sixth place like they wanted (although it was them who fell into the IC trap by showing their hands basically), she wouldn't, lost all their votes and Vee won 4-3.)

And a used-car salesman *cough* Porn guy *cough* is perfect at lying to you with a straight face...

Csnog

Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh I suspect Brian has been practicing his speech.
I do NOT think Brian would win against Helen and he knows it also.

Helen needs to get over her "feelings" about Clay and remember what her husband said. Cut off the head. Helen is gone unless she wins IM.