Archive through December 09, 2002
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Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 01:04 pm     Could happen at F4... Ted/Jan vs Clay Brian...and that is how Ted goes. Prior votes that Clay got pasted on him. That would be good too. Helen is one of the strongest women I can think of in any Survivor... her fatal flaw is that she thinks Brian is Colby- and he is not..he is Rich...and that is a whole different thing. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 01:18 pm     Yes. She is not thinking clearly about Brian. Really think they will do the old previous votes counting thing? |
Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:00 pm     I just think it is interesting that Clay so intentionally got unnecessary votes pasted on Ted...not to boot him. It makes me think they think it matters...and they knew about the purple rock. Jan has votes, Clay has votes, Ted has votes... Has Helen gotten any? I forget.... Brian is clean as a whistle...another perfect record. This guy is scary. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:19 pm     If that is Clay's big plan, it is flawed because he and Ted are tied with the most votes. Clay has 3 from early on. Helen voted for him Ep. 1 and then Jan and Ghandia voted for him Ep. 4. Ted has 3 votes Ep. 9 from Ken, Penny and Jake. Helen has 2 votes Ep. 2 from Ghandia and Tanya. Jan has 2 votes Ep. 10 and 11 from Jake. Brian has ZERO. |
Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:46 pm     But there is one more vote before a tie could happen. If Ted wins a car and irritates someone at F5...he may get another vote...but then so might Clay... No tie at F5....so it would only happen at F4. If Brian boots Helen and he or Helen vote Ted...then it happens. See... there are many possibilities here. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:51 pm     We do not know if previous votes count. Nothing has been said and as the purple rock, it has been done before. |
Queenofnorway | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:52 pm     I thought Jeff said the previous votes cast will not be counted in case of ties. i think it will be Brian, Ted, and Clay. BTW, I don't think Brian is rich. Remember, he's a car salesman so he can use the cars on the lot and maybe the grand piano is because he or his wife is a musician. Having a good car and a piano does not make a person rich. Besides, it's not a contest about who needs it most. That's already been done |
Car54 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 02:59 pm     Exactly my point...we don't know...and it hasn't happened...and it made a HUGE difference in S4...that purple rock changed the face of the game... so who knows what happens. Just a possibility...the only reason I think it is significant is that Clay very pointedly targeted Ted. Could just be a way of expressing himself. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 03:05 pm     Can we fight about the pole yet, Car? Please? |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 06, 2002 - 04:15 pm     I doubt previous votes count too since they didn't in S4. Who knows what Clay was thinking? Maybe he is just covering his bets. I didn't think it had been said one way or the other for this season which makes me think there won't be a tie. Queen, I don't think Brian is rich either, but you do know that both he and his wife have also made several soft porn movies, don't you? I don't know what the going salary is for that, LOL! |
Hermione69 | Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 06:39 pm     From Snewser at: http://survivornews.net/snn.php?sid=spoilers Seems to either be leaning towards a Helen boot or, at least, believes this comment of hers that seems to indicate she is on the jury. He doesn't post things that he doesn't attach a lot of importance to and he has posted the link below: http://votedoff.tv/board/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=evidence&Number=118927 TDT continues to lean towards Helen for the boot as well. |
Webkitty | Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 04:53 am     Hermione, I couldn't access those links. I don't want Helen to go yet, so I'm hoping whatever the links say aren't true! But, something Bat said in another thread is making me start to wonder. I think she may be onto something about Brian which would support this. Ack! Say it isn't so! I was sure Jan was leaving this week. |
Wendo | Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 05:08 am     Re: Helen Well, if you consider Mark Burnett's editing in moving the "story" along, think how "dramatic" it is to have Helen declare her loyalty to Brian while also having her husband tell her, "he's the one you should get rid of next." Her blind loyalty becomes more "dramatic" if Brian gets her booted. And, even more "drama" because her husband felt he was the biggest threat. Storyline wise, it's very dramatic. Plus, I'm sure Helen's husband commented on ALL the members on the island; yet, the only comments we were given were those he stated about Brian. Considering this (and adding that she really exposed herself to Brian by saying she doesn't trust Clay), I expect Helen to be the next boot as well. (Bummer...I like her...) |
Webkitty | Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 05:38 am     Wendo, that makes sense. The CBS promo is having Brian say that "she" owes me. All clues point to Helen going, but I'm not sure yet. (or least I can't accept it yet) You made a good point about MB and his editing. He loves his own editing, there are only two shows left, I wonder if all these clues pointing toward Helen leaving this week are mis-direction and Jan really goes. But, I can see a new arguement for Brian wanting Helen on the jury now instead of Jan. He is looking to the jury, the end is near. He knows the SJ favor him over Clay (jmo) but needs to make sure. If Jan goes this week, she will probably just get wasted and sit around and laugh and have a good time with the SJ. He needs someone who will be bitter at getting the boot and have that bitterness directed at Clay. That would be Helen or Ted. Helen didn't come into the alliance fold until Ghandia. Last one hired, first one fired. Ack! I don't like this! I want my theory in this weeks title thread to be the one! lol! It makes Brian a kinder, more noble player, but this theory actually makes him a smarter player. Could someone post the jist of what the links above say? |
Hermione69 | Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 08:41 am     Webkitty, It's really just a slip of the tongue and probably could be argued either way, but it was posted by TDT, who everyone is hailing as this season's super spoiler and Snewser, who I trust more, linked to it from his own page and he never does that unless he thinks it is very important. Here are the goods as posted by TDT at votedoff: "Today's Providence Journal has two articles on Helen, only one of which made their online edition. (Projo.com link). The second one (which contained a photo of Helen and Jim, decked out in traditional pudding stirring garb) contains a small spoiler, and mentions an appearance she'll be making tomorrow, Sunday, December 8th. She'll be stirring plum pudding at the Trinity Church in Newport, RI, from 11:45 am to 1 pm. Here's a link to a Newport Calendar, giving a phone number. Apparently, this is something Helen and Jim do every year. I won't retype the entire (long) article, since projo.com has a habit of adding articles at random times, so the projo link above may eventually contain a link to the second article. But here's the spoiler part: In reply to: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Glover: The queen of plum pudding, too By Richard Salit Journal Staff Writer ---- It's a few days before last Thursday's episode of Survivor and I've got Middletown's Helen Glover on the phone. With only three episodes left to air, she's one of six remaining contestants competing for $1 million. And Glover is talking. The finale will be stirring, she promises. Her recipe for success is guaranteed, she boasts. The conclusion will be sweet, she vows. Bottom line, she says, "It's under my control." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It goes on to talk about the plum pudding stuff. But "under my control" strongly suggests that (as we knew) Helen is on the jury. You could even speculate further that the person she votes for is the winner. We shall see." I can also make an argument that her comments could mean she does make the F2, but again, the interpretation by TDT and Snewser of it meaning she is on the jury is what makes me pause because I think they have more information than I do. |
Hermione69 | Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 08:52 am     Wendo, good call on MB's editing of Helen and what it may mean. I don't want Helen to go either. Personally, my ideal F3 is Jan, Helen and Ted and although Jan is my favorite, I think Helen has busted her butt out there and has played a savvier game and deserves it most. I don't think Jan came to win. Brian and Clay really need to stick together because, as many boards are saying, the only way either of those will win is if they are sitting next to the other in the F2. I thought Penny and possibly Erin were votes for Clay, but Penny was apparently really rolling her eyes at Clay at TC. I missed it because I was typing for the tonight's show spoiler thread and I must have been looking down when she did that. Jake also made a comment in one of his post-boot interviews that suggested Penny feels betrayed by Clay because his plan didn't work to save her and she thinks it was all hot air and he led her on. I still think if it is Clay versus Brian in the F2, Clay will win. Just a feeling that I have. Mainly because I think Brian has been spotlighted as the apparent winner far too obviously and therefore won't be. |
Fruitbat | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 06:16 am     Helen saying it is under my control looks as if she stays in the game. I cannot see one jury member having any control. A 3/3 split and Helen casting the deciding vote but I am not sure they discuss it that much. I think some keep their votes to themselves. This is wishful thinking. I would like to see her win. I tend to believe the TDT spoiler. |
Webkitty | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 07:02 am     I am not getting how her comment that everything is under her control means that she gets booted this week? I haven't read the whole article, is she talking about this weeks show, the season finale or both? I saw her comment just the opposite, that things work out for her this week (its under my control and her recipe for success is gauranteed) and she gets Ted and Brian on board to boot Clay, and it works. (the ending will be sweet) I believe the TDT spoiler too, so maybe she is just alluding to the fact that her plan prevailed THIS week, but Clay won immunity. Jan is booted. (the finale will be stiring because they all like her) Like I said, I would have to read the whole entire article, I don't know what questions were posed to her to promt this response. Was she being quizzed on the outcome of the whole season, or what was going to happen this week, or both? |
Fruitbat | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 08:07 am     I agree Webkitty. I see her staying this week. |
Car54 | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 09:05 am     If she gets booted she has several days to move the jury. She is liked by Jake (said he was rooting for her - in my mind then it is a sure thing she is not F2 or he would not have said it...remember the Kathy spoiler last time...same thing!) Penny likes her, Erin likes her..Jake..that is 4 right there...and there will be at least one more Chuay vote she could sway to her side. |
Hermione69 | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 09:32 am     I just report them. I have no idea why they are so sure it means she is on the jury, but they are. Personally, I would love for it to mean that she gets Clay booted, but I'm skeptical. After Snewser had the Final Four last season down pat, I tend to believe these guys. |
Hermione69 | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 09:37 am     BTW, I don't think they are definitely saying she is their boot pick for THIS week, but TDT is leaning towards her right now and they certainly don't think she will last much longer if she does make it through this week. TDT has Ted as the other possible boot. If Brian and Clay are really the F2, it would make more sense for them to try to get rid of Helen and Ted before Jan because they probably don't see Jan as a threat at all as far as challenges go. I don't think Jan is going anywhere, although a lot of people do. Could be. I'm wrong a lot! |
Fruitbat | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:26 pm     I go back and forth with Jan. It is good to keep her as an unlikely threat for IC and keep putting her in F3. I can also see she is the least loaded one to boot this week. There is going to be frantic wheeling and dealing in huddles this week and it can go anywhere. They want to win *and* keep jury votes at the same time. Jan is likely to feel screwed the least. I love that it is really impossible to know. |
Webkitty | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:50 pm     Bat, me too. I keep going back and forth, everyone is putting forth good arguements for both, but my gut is telling me its Jan to go this week. This is probably not the right thread to go into this, but I just have a feeling that people are off on thinking that Brian has promised to get them all to F2. I still think there has been an open agreement between B,T,C & H since Ghandia to get to the final 4, and then its every person for themselves. Helen and Ted are going back on that now, NOT BRIAN. If Helen does get booted this week, I can't support an arguement for her to bad mouth Brian to the rest of the jury. It was her doing to mess with the plans. (if my theory is true) I can't see MB giving away the boot this week, right before the finale next week. Most people that watch the show don't come to the internet for added value. NO ONE I talked to this weekend at my yardsale knew anything about the TDT spoiler, or even knew what TDT was. I got opinions all over the place on who would win the million. Most who watch the show thought that Clay would go this week, a few Helen. Jan would be the surprise boot to non internet people. This makes me lean toward a Jan boot, but I'm still not 100% sure. |
Fruitbat | Monday, December 09, 2002 - 01:10 pm     Anyone would be a fool not to add the clause that everyone is on their own when down to 4 but I have not seen that yet and we are on 5 now. No Chewy could have anticipated that they would be all together at the end either. That puts a different spin on things. The tension is higher and they have to sort out all their deals and plans. I am hoping we see more private talks this week. |
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