Episode 4-Gender Bender
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Fruitbat

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The purple rock came in at the very end and maybe this had something to do with this method.

A quiz about the island wild life/culture or fellow teammates is a more likely solution unless they come up with something totally new.

Car54

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last season Jeff very pointedly announced the change in rules...I don't think he has said anything one way or another.

As I recall, when he told them about it, he simply said "dire consequences" could happen if a tie occured and they were unable to resolve it in re-voting. I don't think they have said anything this time at all.

I think the change came because prior votes made the Survivor Africa people very nutty...the game become about avoiding votes or pasting votes on someone in preparation for a tie, and it really impacted their strategy, and MB tried to take that out.

I hated the purple rock.

Fruitbat

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember that now. I hated the rock too.

Everyone voting twice is boring. No one will change their mind.

Since he did not mention dire consequences I am not sure the rock will be used.

Wrat1010

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do they know about this purple rock (assuming this rule is still in effect)? That is, did production of Thailand begin before or after the final episode of Survivor Marquesas?

Car54

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Links to Promo vidcaps at Survivor Fever for this week's episodes:

Men vs Women?

More Men vs Women?

More vidcaps...challenge?

Tabbyking

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
unfortunately the ted/ghandia incident was blown mostly out of proportion by the women. first, ghandia, who even said during a confessional that she told helen about everything except the apology ted gave her (and she supposedly accepted, even hugging him afterward) got helen all bothered and helen ran to brian--who smartly went to the source, rather than get another half dozen people involved. ghandia made it bad enough, but for helen to start something made me mad at her, too.
for ghandia to not just drop it after she and ted had 'resolved' it, really bothered me. someone else mentioned that it seemed to be 'damage control' for when her husband saw the episodes. ghandia should have just kept it between herself and ted. blowing it into a huge problem just makes ghandia more vulnerable to being voted off. it also makes it a huger mess to explain to dear old hubby. ghandia acted like a kid, not a mature woman.
ghandia over-reacted and over-reacted again...and helen was eager to spread the tale around without talking to ted herself or just keeping it to herself. if the women end up going first on this tribe, it serves them right!
the tribe could end up men vs women, and that would be the gender bender. it would also spell doom to the women. when the two tribes merge, chuay guan might be all men. maybe the producers will have the two tribes re-group--all men at one and all women at the other.

Meggieprice

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Ghandia caused a lot of this...but you can't hold Ted blameless. Not only did he do the behaviour that caused the problem to begin with (and I do not buy his confusion thinking it was his wife on the ground in a cave) but he did deny that anything happened to Brian. If he had said- there was an incident but she and I have resolved it -then the character of the problem would have been completely changed-and Ghandia would have looked bad for keeping it going.

All in all it is just too bad...their strength to this point has been that they were not divided like the other tribe.

I still think that the other tribe may throw one more IC as they can lose one more to be even numbers. They have an agenda over there to clean house.

Curlyq

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just watching the video clips at the CBS site, and it seems to me that some creative editing had been done in the Ghandia/Ted storyline.

The most telling clip is Ted's. He goes through the order of events, and the order doesn't match what we were shown. According to Ted, Ghandia first talked to other tribemates about it, then she talked to him in private. I have the impression that it went like this: She gossiped with the women first, then went to Ted and got his apology. She either intentionally or accidentally neglected to update the women about the apology. Not knowing it had been settled, Helen then took it to Brian. The rest is what we saw.

It's a shame that this issue is going to keep escalating in the next episode. I guess his second apology wasn't good enough, either. Wouldn't it be funny if Helen got the boot as the result of this?

Moondance

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't agree ... if you watch the show, Guandia did a confessional to the camera ... she said 'yes everything I told the girls were true. I just left out the part about him apologizing' so it seems she did have the talk and apology before she went to them and gossiped.

Csnog

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe Ghandia brought the event to the women in order to escape eviction in case they lost IM.

Ted had a huge part in their winning both IM. and I don't think they will vote him off anytime soon.

Jan, Brian, Clay and Ted would vote her out.

My bet is that Ghandia will be the next voted out of her tribe unless she is traded.

Kaili

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggieprice, you said "Not only did he do the behaviour that caused the problem to begin with (and I do not buy his confusion thinking it was his wife on the ground in a cave) but he did deny that anything happened to Brian. If he had said- there was an incident but she and I have resolved it -then the character of the problem would have been completely changed-and Ghandia would have looked bad for keeping it going."

When Ted and Brain were in the water, Ted did deny it, but he also said that something did happen and that he and Ghandia had talked and he had apologized. My own interpretation of "nothing happened" was that nothing "significant" happened. Ted admitted that he had done something, but he said basically taht it was minor, had been dealt with, and was no big deal.

Rosa

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't hold Ted blameless in this incident. Ghandi will take all of the flack because she talked so much about it but Ted is equally at fault. Ted will walk away smelling like a rose.

Cas

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 02:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A bit off topic but in one of the screencaps from Cars links I saw this:

http://www.survivorfever.net/images5/004-23.jpg

Is that Clay and ?? with a fishing net?? Would be a nice bit of irony if that net SJ lost washes up on their shore.

Moondance

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Both teams got fishing nets when they arrived so it looks like the small one they started off with but that would be funny if they got the big 'floater' from the other tribe... I just don't see Mark allowing it to float too far... he is pretty good about the enviorment.

Meggieprice

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This fishing net thing could be important if you play the fantasy game! Cause if they catch a fish...

Kaili- haven't watched my tape but I missed Ted admitting something happened to Brian...then the translation from then to Helen to Gandia there was a big inflamer of the problem because if it hadn't been represented to Ghandia that he denied the whole thing then things might have been different...

I just think, like Rosa, that Ted got off way to easy in the situation.

Csnog

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you listen to men talking Ted makes perfect sense. To Ted "nothing happened" of importance.

He apologized, even for things that he didn't remember to Ghandia and thought it was between them and finished.

What woman in her right mind would not MOVE if uncomfortable. Thats a BIG cave!

Why was she hanging all over him for 8 days?

Lets see now, She didn't like Helen and voted to boot her but ran right to her like a little kid but "forgot?" to mention that Ted apologized!

This was nothing but smoke to keep the target off her back.

Kaili

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is the conversation that occurred between Ted and Brian- well, the part that was aired on the show anyway :) Who knows how long the actual conversation lasted...

Brian: Nothing happened right?
Ted: Long story, long story. I'll say it this way, I'm a man of my word, a mistake happened, and I rectified it.
Brian: Good okay
Brian: Nothing happened though, right?
Ted: No, nothing happened at all
Brian: Good, that's all I need to hear. Nothing happened.

Then it cuts to Brian talking to the camera- "Ted told me nothing happened, which...he was denying anything happened which is fine because nothing did happen. I interpreted it as they were close but there was no contact. There may have been a hand here, or an ankle here or an earlobe here or something as simple as that. Case closed."

Then Brian went and told Helen that Ted said nothing happened.

Csnog

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A good example of how men think and talk.

Nothing happened.

On the other hand women can obsess about what they think happened.

The person who responded best to the entire situation was Jan.

Dogdoc

Monday, October 07, 2002 - 04:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Moondance, I hope you are right about Mark getting the fishing net back to protect the environment. There were bound to be fish that would get caught up in it as it floated. I think the producers had to pay a penalty for the coral incident in Australia and that would make them more careful.

Pamy

Monday, October 07, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was thinking the same thing about the net. I think it would be so funny if the net floats over to the other tribe full of fish!

Car54

Monday, October 07, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Somewhere around here, I posted a link to a site with lots of info about Survivor. They say that there are very few fish left in the area the Survivors are in...probably a good reason they are having such a hard time!

Jagger

Monday, October 07, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sure they rescued the net, at first Thiland was not going to allow them to film there due to all the damage that occured when Leonardo Decaprio did his Beach movie there. I'm sure they are being very selective in what they do and what natural habitats they disrupt. I heard they have Thilanders there watching to be sure they don't distroy anything.

Fruitbat

Monday, October 07, 2002 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There has been lots onfo out there that production is respectful and vigilant about environmental concerns. I believe they are and it had nothing to do with Colby. (don't like him by the way)

Helen is typical of the politically correct frame of mind to go with the opressed woman's story without question. That is what I saw, anyway. Men agressors/women victims. Bullcavepie for me.

Not that I am insensitive to some current concerns but things are out of hand and men are being maligned quite a bit.

Car54

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just bumping this to get us thinking about the show tonight

This is the episode that airs tonight...here is a vidcap of the "dummy"...the "new Survivor" that joins each team... looks like some kind of challenge prop....

pic

Here are the pictures....

Episode 4 promo vidcaps

more promos

Men vs Women promo

Jo_5329

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 05:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wonder what that thing is stuffed with? If it's normal stuffing, ie: cotton fluff, they ain't going to using this thing to help them go find water .. it would sink!

Car54

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In the transcript of one of the promos, Clay remarks that the dummy weighs 100 lb! I read some speculation that this is an RC and the dummy is filled with rice. That would solve the starvation factor. Jed said the people were getting really low energy from lack of food...my thinking is MB HAS to help them somehow...starving people this early makes for bad TV.

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think it's ghandia--see how the guy has his hand over the mouth to shut her up?

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yay - episode 4 in 90 minutes!!

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah! episode 4 in 233 minutes.....