Archive through December 14, 2002
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Archive through December 14, 2002
Hermione69 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:11 am     Webkitty, in the beginning, the porn thing was kind of funny, but I have to admit I have trouble separating it now that he is so close to the win. It offends my sense of moral justice, LOL! I also don't see why I should feel like I have to separate the two. This is a supposed to be a reality show with everyday people as contestants. Just like with any contest, viewers tend to pick sides. How we pick our sides is completely subjective. Drawing inferences about someone from their occupation and letting that factor into whether or not you like them is just as fair as anything else in this game. Many occupations say a lot about the people working them. I'm a librarian, and OMG, that says SO much about me. I'm not defining him by that, but it certainly factors into how I see him. I really don't see why it shouldn't. It's all fair in Survivor. Even if we all say that we pick the people playing the good game, how we define a good game is subjective. Some of us like UTR players and think it is a good strategy, others don't. Some like to see masterful manipulation, others think it is dishonest and it turns them off. I have no problem with Brian's choice of strategy because he is the one playing the game and if it wins him the million, who am I to put him down? Doesn't mean I have to root for him. His strategy would never be mine. It's subjective any way you look at it. I loved what Allietex said about "What's wrong with UTR players? That is a strategy as much as anything else. How many times have we seen people try to lead and shoot themselves in the foot because they had too many guns going at once? Of course the UTR people are not as entertaining but I guess they don't feel they are there to entertain us, they are there to win a million bucks. If it works, it's good." There is no right or wrong here in who you like or don't like, who you want to win or don't want to win, and why. |
Car54 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:16 am     Yeah...what Square said...Brian is Sassssssy! I am totally not rooting for anyone...it would be nice for Helen because she wants it so bad, I think Brian has played hard and deserves a good payoff for his hard work, and I think Clay has done an amazing job of dodging the bullet while being totally OVER the radar... he has not hidden who he is ...ever...and he still made it to the end. For me that is the great thing about this version...unless Jan makes it to F3... |
Halfunit | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:18 am     I'm surprised he didn't spell: I ROD TRAP |
Webkitty | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:24 am     Hermione, I agree with you. No one has to seperate the two, I was just posing a question. I have some trouble with it too, but for a different reason. I think he is playing an interesting game, and I'm a little disapointed that he has that in his background because I think more people would appriciate his game if it weren't for that. Also, his cocky behavior in front of the camera will turn some off. (sorry, couldn't help that one!) |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 10:35 am     Forgot to add that I think even if Brian was a teacher or something "harmless" like that, his strategy would still not sit right with me. I was disappointed in Helen last night for leading Ted on and she doesn't have a porn past. That's why I respected Rich... he didn't lead anyone on. Didn't like him, but respected his strategy. Don't particularly respect Brian and the porn past certainly doesn't help. I still say that if Brian wins, more power to him. He found the way that worked for him in this group of people. |
Brenda1966 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 11:17 am     I'm surprised that many of the Richard fans don't like Brian. I like Brian and hope he wins -- but I was not a Richard fan. I was disappointed when he won. His arrogance turned me off. I was also a huge Will fan (I adored him) but was not a Dani fan. Hmmm..... maybe I'm just a sucker for a pretty face! Brian's porn past doesn't bother me that much. However, I have not been able to see the stills (I don't want to lose my job) so maybe that would change my mind. These sound more wild than Red Shoe Diary, but Duchovny did one of those and that didn't bother me one bit, it just made me appreciate his craft all the more. LOL! |
Squaredsc | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 11:53 am     duchovney did all of them i thought. |
Realfan | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:03 pm     Totally off topic here, but Duchovny did one "story" and narrated the rest. Brian's past doesn't bother me at all. Don't know why. Just doesn't. I know he wanted to be a serious actor, and did get some roles, so the soft porn thing (and it is soft, not "true") was a way to put food in the table. Sometimes I'm prudish about things...I would hate it if he was a hard-core porn actor. But this doesn't bother me. I think it's because it's in the past. He's a family man now. Also, he's a survivor contestant, so all I really know him by is what I see on the screen, and how he plays the game. That's what I admire him for, because that's all that really counts for me as a viewer. ITA, it's kind of funny to hear people say they don't want UTR people to win because they haven't played the game or "earned" it. They are playing it their way, and if it gets them the win, they deserved it. I disagree about Richard Hatch. He totally led people on. He lied to their faces. Time and distance are making people forget how close he came to losing and screwing up. In the very beginning, he annoyed the heck out of everyone with his corporate team-building talk. Later, he got several votes against him from the Pagong--the numbers kept him from losing. He didn't come anywhere near to playing a perfect game. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:04 pm     I loved Duchovny and was fully aware of his Red Shoe Diaries past so maybe it really is just Brian himself that I don't like. Hmm. |
Brenda1966 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 12:11 pm     I've heard Duchovny does still host them, but there was one in particular (I think the first one) where he was the "star" and it was rather steamy -- certainly a departure from Mulder. People do crazy things to try to make a buck in Hollywood. I doubt Brians goal was to be in soft-porn movies. I'll cut him some slack on this seeing how he's not involved in it any more and is trying to raise a family. |
Brenda1966 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:22 pm     Good point Realfan about Richard Hatch. He did alienate people and tick them off in the beginning by trying to run the show. Brian never did that. He didn't try to take control. The preacher did and was gone the first tribal council. I don't recall seeing any time that Brian ticked anyone off so far (with Ted as a potential now). The ladies did get annoyed with the men, but it was mostly at Clay's laziness. I don't think Brian's arrogance has been displayed for his teammates at all, only to the cameras for us. Richard was arrogant all over the place. |
Brenda1966 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:31 pm     I should add that I don't see Brian as taking control. Somehow he was granted control by the tribe and put in the position of being "most popular" by his ability to charm them. I think people have wanted to align with him because they like him. I'm not so sure that's why people aligned with Richard. I think Brian is going to win and that MB is not trying to edit us for his fall. MB is probably fascinated by Brian and Richard types and likes showing us their strategy (so much more to show us than UTR types like Vee who had nothing interesting to say to us). Enough rambling from me... |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:45 pm     I didn't watch S1 until the episode where Gervase was voted off, but from what so many people on other boards say, Rich didn't promise anyone anything except Rudy. Who felt led on by him? Susan didn't. Rudy didn't. Sean didn't. One guy picked a number. Even Colleen said she was planning to vote for Rich until Sue's speech which made her feel sorry for Kelly. That was a pity vote. Who did he lead on? I'm curious. No one said he played a perfect game, but for someone who did come so close to getting booted off and managed to swing it his way and win, WOW. That reminds me of Kathy last season. She irritated the heck out of everyone and made it as far as she did by the grace of the tribal switch. She would have been the next one gone off Rotu in a heartbeat. By the end, she had a solid fan base and the respect of everyone. Anyone that can swing the game around like that has my respect. Brian has done an excellent job as an invisible puppet master, especially considering how much of a challenge threat he is. I just see a potential blow up on the jury because no one else has seen him pulling the strings and when they have the chance to compare notes it could hurt him. Everyone saw Rich for what he was. Brian has fooled people and that could hurt him. Still, kudos to him if he gets the bucks. Whatever works. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 01:50 pm     BTW, I loved Vee and think she had a better strategy than anyone credits her for. She did everything she needed to do to win that money. Why everyone thinks she just coasted, I have no idea.
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Allietex | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 03:09 pm     I think we as fans sometimes forget that the rest of the tribe does not see the comments to the camera. If we did not see or hear these comments we would probably not think Brian was arrogant. If his fellow tribe members could see them he might be toast. I really don't think Jan would take kindly to being considered disposable and I think Helen might be irritated at being his loyal soldier, and Clay might just object to the middle finger gesture when his name was mentioned. But as far them comparing notes, would they believe each other? Just like Ted last night since they did not show all the votes he would not really know whether Brian voted for him or not. Would he believe Helen if she told him that her and Brian had a final two alliance. He might believe she was deluding herself. Possibly she would feel the same if the situation is reversed. No one believed Jake when he told them that he was told they were going to vote off Ted. People pretty much believe what they want to believe unless there is certain proof. Now after the game is all over and they see the shows, some feelings may change, but it has been so long and the game is over and they just don't seem to get as angry as the BB people who see the shows right after they get booted. Brian is playing a brilliant game. I rather think that unless something happens to "out" him, he will win. I don't believe Clay can beat him. I think Jan has done well to stay as long as she has and would love to see her win but I don't look for that to happen if Brian is thare at the end. She hasn't ticked anyone off, but neither has she impressed the Sooks and they will control the vote. They are not going to care a fig about him betraying his fellow tribe members even if they know. It's just what they would all have liked to do. They will vote for who they like, and who they feel has played the game the best. If it is Brian against anyone else, I think he will win. I believe only Helen has a chance against Brian and that is a slim one. The only way Brian can lose is if he loses the immunity challenge and the others gang up on him and vote him off which they will do if they are smart, but, again, they have not seen the camera interviews like we have. |
Realfan | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 03:25 pm     Oops! Double post. Yes, Brian is The King! LOL!! He is miles beyond Hatch, and any other player so far, in knowing how to play this game. |
Realfan | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 03:25 pm     Herm, as I recall, Richard Hatch was shown telling both Susan and Kelly that he would be taking them into the final three, that he preferred each of them over the other when they had their falling out. He made Susan think she would be in the final two with him at one point, too. Then he explained to the camera that he was lying, but didn't feel it was bad to do since he was there to win. He just lucked out that Rudy was so darned loyal to him and Kelly had upset Susan so badly that she campaigned against her. As it was, he only won by one vote. |
Tabbyking | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 05:48 pm     i hoep brain hist teh raod netx weke. |
Abbynormal | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 05:51 pm     LOL! Tabby |
Seamonkey | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 06:50 pm     em oto, batyb!! |
Weinermr | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 07:16 pm     I prefer that Mole phonepad thing - 27426 6878 46! |
Car54 | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 07:16 pm     I think both Jan and Clay know exactly what Brian is doing. Brian said it directly to Ted... when it gets to the end...it is Just Business. Didn't you see what Jan said? "Keep your friend close, keep your enemies closer" She is the one who knows exactly what the dynamic is. There has not been one REAL personal relationship/alliance on either tribe this season. This is the most strategy-oriented cast we have ever had. They are here for the game and the money. I think Helen may have idealized Brian a bit, but he really hasn't done anything to make us think he isn't going to play fair with her. I think Brian will honor his agreement to Helen for F3 if he can... but if Jan wins immunity, Helen is the next piece of toast. I think they all know the F3 challenge is every man for himself... and whoever wins that one has the true control. The only way Brian would really be betraying Helen is when/if he wins that challenge and gets the power to chose between her and Clay... otherwise it is not up to him, and he may not be the one to make the decision. Unless he wins or overtly throws it to Clay, he may not have to betray Helen ever. |
Meggieprice | Friday, December 13, 2002 - 08:26 pm     I have gone back and forth between respecting the brilliant playing I see in Brian and disliking him for the same. I think he went over the line for me when Ted asked him "Man to man" if he was the next to go and brian lied straight to his face. Now I find myself depressed because it looks like two people in the finals that I cannot find a reason to root for. Blech. p.s. I don't care about the porn. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 07:19 am     Brian is very much my least favorite (as if you couldn't tell), but I am one of those who thinks whoever gets the money deserves it. Different groups of people require different strategies and whatever works for the person who walked away with it at that time, well then, kudos! I think Brian is playing them all like a fiddle and it is working for him so far. He certainly looks like a shoo-in for the money right now. Hard to believe this week is the finale. My winter break starts the next day so I can stay up late and enjoy all 3 hours! I really want to see the F2 and the jury's questions. That is always fun! |
Car54 | Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 07:25 am     There is a bit more info out there about this incident. I read last night that CC stated that the reason for the attack was that Brian was supposed to be watching their child, and he was drinking and fell asleep and left him unattended. She got upset, a fight ensued...he did not defend himself...called the police and they arrested her as the attacker. I think he currently has custody of the boy. If it is true, it puts a different slant on what was going on, huh? |
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