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Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok I didn't see A Beautiful Mind.

What was Jeff referring to regarding studying the John Nash book...that all the rules were there for Survivor.

Anyone?

Curlyq

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was curious, too. He said to study John Nash's Non-Cooperative Game Theory. I tried looking up info on it just now and of course (not being a genius) had a bit of trouble understanding it. However the PBS site was more helpful and from what I gather the basic idea is that when you're in a contest of any kind it's more beneficial to work with the strategies of others than to go off on your own. I could be totally misinterpreting that. Here's the link I was reading from:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/nash/sfeature/sf_dixit.html

Bryan

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
non cooperative theory

Bryan

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A Brief Introduction to NON-COOPERATIVE GAME THEORY

Abbynormal

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
huh????

Babyruth

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Reads a lot like the Bush vs. Hussein game to me. Ugh.

Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This was a huge clue. In the Amazon Promo, Jeff said there is a twist we have never seen, and at the end, he says read this...all the rules are in it.

This is important.

Ok, Bryan, ... thanks for doing the leg work! Excellent job!


Where is Hermione? I am assigning her a book report.

Grooch

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 07:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am hoping the twist will be that they start off as one team. No more pagonging.

Tabbyking

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
john nash, huh? okay, he was brilliant but crazy, married but into picking up men, an embarrassment but hired by the top universities...
i think his book would bore the hell out of me, especially trying to find secret help for survivor in it! maybe we can find the cliff notes!! lol

Car54

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think this has something to do with somehow encouraging players to play for themselves and not forming that "tribe" mentality.

The thing is...Jeff said this when he was recruiting for players for S7...S6 is already in the can... so maybe it is a hint for the next one.

I like that Jeff sent us a clue.

Dogdoc

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry I went to those Nash sites. Now I feel stupid.

Spear

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was purely a recruting thing for S7 and might be an indication that they didn't get a set of good game players for S6. Hope I'm wrong.

Aussiedeb

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 05:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok let's see if I get this. The Nash theory used in Survivor could be that they will offer opposing tribes bribes or promises to boot off the other one or tell them when they get near the end that the second place winner can end up with more money etc..

This looks like they will tell them different stories to rat them out etc or keep them silent.

I will have to read more into this theory, its too early in the morning for me yet. But it is going to blow each others preconceived ideas for strategy out of the water. Like in the case of Brian this season, his ploy will not work for future casts as they are going switch it around some more.

This could be a play by MB to get supposed secret alliances out in the open all the way through the game.

Will post more later when I investigate the strategies that use the Nash Equilibrium theory. Wish I was at college right now, I would run this via my professors :)

Bryan

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 06:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is there any chance that someone could find and post Jeff's exact words when he was giving this clue?

Squaredsc

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 06:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
bryan, im sure car will find it. she's good at that sort of thing.

Car54

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, I don't tape the show....I wonder if Webkitty has this one on tape and could transcibe for us?

Weinermr

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have it on tape, but I won't be able to look at it until tonight. If someone else doesn't view and post them first, I'll post Jeff's exact words this evening.

Bryan

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Weinermr, that would be great. I feel that the exact words Jeff used in addition to giving us the clue of John Nash and his book are important to completely understanding Jeff's entire message.

Jeff knowingly led the two teams into what they were thinking was the merge while he never said it was a merge. Jeff could be giving us a clue and doing a similar thing by careful use of his wording. Jeff is giving a clue, but is it the most obvious clue?

Clp

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read this over on the Sucks board and was totally blown away! Take the time to read this, it puts the game in a totally new light!
http://pub124.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=15228.topic

Car54

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This makes total sense. Thanks Jeff. (and Clp)

Squaredsc

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yep car. it sure does. thanks clp. so which tribes do you all think are going to be in s6?

Aussiedeb

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang, someone really thought it out there didnt they?

That was a good post they did about it all..

Moondance

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Clp!

Damn that was good!

Kaili

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 07:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow. That was quite the explanation and quite the time that must have been put into that. I am impressed!

Lauram

Monday, December 23, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very well thought out and articulated!!!