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Car54

Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry but unless someone has a transcript that tells us Ken specifically said anything about Brian being racist, this is just baseless speculation.

Brian said in his chat the felt the Ghandia thing doomed Ted.

He also said he honestly did not remember the racist comment Clay made that provoked Ted.

Brian said he thought Ken was jealous..which makes total sense...When they merged, Brian's role with Chuay was everything Ken wanted his role to be...but his tribe fell apart.

Ginger..I think you are right about what Ken was trying to do at TC.

I think someone will ask Clay and Helen about it Monday in their chat. Brian was certainly asked some pretty honest questions.

Niceguy

Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Brian was not above using societal biases and prejudices to get ahead. They showed us Brian planting seeds of contempt and resentment in Ted's head towards Ken with his "look out for NYPD," comment. I think Ken was right in not bringing it all out there.

Bryan

Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Niceguy, are you suggesting that society is biased and prejudiced against police officers? Or was it New York police officers?

Lilliegirl

Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watching Ken was like watching my grandkids fight. Never did I understand what he was saying, he was jumping all around trying to get Brian to amit to something he said, why didnt Ken just come out and say it. Im glad Jeff said something like lets move on. Ken made a ass out of hisself.

Niceguy

Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
African-Americans(myself being a proud member)have a bias based on experience and history about dealing with the police. That is something Brian knew to use to exploit the bond between Ted and himself and it was pretty base.

Or masterful gamesmanship, depending on how you look at it.

Ken didn't frame his questions well. I don't think he had an opportunity to see that clip where Brian was doing this but its become clear to me how low Brian would go to win.

I'll say this for Brian. He does have an incredible level of concentration and focus. This has been the toughest acting job of his career.

Bryan

Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 08:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
quote from Niceguy
That is something Brian knew to use to exploit the bond between Ted and himself and it was pretty base.

I am not clear what you mean. Can you elaborate on this?

Brian was very focused and concentrated on the final results. I never saw him acting at all. I would say everything he did came very natural to his nature.

Niceguy

Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We look at world through our own experiences and histories. The history of black men and law enforcement(in the U.S.) is not usually a shining one. Brian knows that and worked to get Ted to never really interact with Ken.

AND

He sounds(from Ken's foggy questioning during the final jury)to have tried to paint Ted as someone not necessarily criminal but not a good person to rely on or trust. The police have to arrest a lot of black criminals. Brian could have easily said, "You know how THEY are."

Yes, it is within the rules but to bring that kind of outside the game social dynamic into the game seemed base to me.

Future survivor contestants are going to be accused of all kinds of heinous behavior from this type of gameplaying.

BTW, I'm not letting Ted off the hook for his statements about Clay just so that we're clear.

Shortnsweet

Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Niceguy wrote: "Brian could have easily said, "You know how THEY are.""

We have no evidence that Brian said anything like this! We know that a number of reality show contestants have said things like this and we all have jumped on them for it. Let's not start an unfounded rumor about Brian. Brian has enough skeletons in his closet to keep us all busy for a long time!

Car54

Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish someone would try to get into the chat with Clay, Helen and Jan on Monday (I have to work that day, so I can't) and try to find out from Helen or Clay exactly what Ted thought was said.

I still think Ken was talking about Clay making Ted the target of the Chuay votes...something relating to that.

Gina8642

Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why did Ken care if Clay or Brian won?

I haven't been paying much attention this season.