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Ginger1218

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boy, Jeff was really annoyed at Clay for writing "Denver Diva" on his vote. He had such a disgusted look on his face when he told him "names only". Anybody else notice the disgust?

Battlestar

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a lot of things that happened on
Survivor V got Jeff cranky

Gina8642

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I read somewhere that Jeff had just given very specific directions prior to the vote to use the NAME of the person being voted out. Clay went immediately down the way, and did the opposite.

Kinda funny really. Maybe Jeff can threaten to nullify any vote he can't figure out.

Jeff is definately coming accross as cranky and testy this season. Not that I really blame him. A lot of these people would make me feel cranky and testy as well.

Lslb

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 12:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
While it was obvious at this TC who voted for who, it could have really been bad for Clay if he wanted/needed to keep his vote to himself.

And there have always been nicknames written on the ballots. But if like Gina just mentioned there were specific instructions, I can see Jeff being mad.

Still, I felt embarrassed for Clay.

Csnog

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know why Jeff was angry, he has used nicknames himself before.

Mad Dog
The Judge Pappy
The General
T-Bird

I know it was reported that everyone had a hard time on this shoot but Jeff must have lost it.

Hermione69

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeff was probably angry because that was a nickname Clay came up with and he used it to put someone down; it was not a nickname known and recognized and used mutually by everyone like the ones mentioned above. That would be my guess.

Kitt

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the same thing, Hermione. All the nicknames used before have been well known and affectionate, the "Denver Diva" thing was just Clay being nasty, so I think it's right Jeff told him off for it.

Shortnsweet

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Ghandia calls herself "Diva".

Hermione69

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did she call herself Diva while she was playing the game or has it just been recently with all the media attention? In any case, Clay still meant it disparagingly, not affectionately.

Shortnsweet

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My tape ran out right before the votes, so I didn't see this part of the show. How do we "know" that Clay ment it "disparagingly, not affectionately"? Did he make it clear in something he said or did?

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it had to do with Jeff not knowing who the nickname went with. He had to ask who voted, and who the vote was for. I think he didn't like being put in that spot. As pointed out, nicks have been used before, especially by Jeff. He never called Robert anything but "The General".

Hermione69

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it can safely be assumed that Clay meant it disparagingly from his attitude in general towards Ghandia and the fact that he wrote "Bye Bye" before writing "Denver Diva." There is no love loss between Clay and Ghandia; why would he turn affectionate at TC?

Fruitbat

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeff runs the show and was not privy to this nickname and probably irritated with Clay in general. I understand his irritation. He noted in an interview that this group was difficult.

Robb did not stangle him for nothing. It was not a wise move but not without provacation, is how I saw it.

Spear

Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 11:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How did Clay provoke Robb?

Fruitbat

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know, but something happened. There is so much we dont see I assumed that there was more to it. Robb was quite vocal about him once back at camp. That did not come from nothing.

Car54

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It seemed to me that because Robb was so much bigger, Clay kind of leaped at him to try to knock him off.... and I don't think Robb at first intended to grab his throat...looked like maybe he was going for the shoulders.

I think the Sooks were madder at Jeff than at the Chuy's about the challenge...Jed said it was really hard to see the edge of the "attack zone" and they missed it a lot. Jeff was being pretty tough on them during that challenge (they were pretty out of control and disorganized...I can see why he was impatient.)

Jo_5329

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe that when Clay wrote "Denver Diva" he did it to slam her --- not that he may not have known how to spell her name, since he could have put a G on the sheet of paper like Ted did.

Yes Jeff is looking a little rough around the edges with this bunch - but then I would be too.

If they cut something of the physical challange where Robb chocked Clay to show that Clay provoked Robb into chocking him, it was a good cut. Robb "went" for Robb's throat in my opinion and Clay made chocking/fear noises when Robb did that. Maybe Clay was making remarks cheering on his team that upset Robb enough to want to choke him ... Maybe Robb was mad that his team was finally loosing ... who knows. But Robb's actions after the challange, ie: making fun of Clay, was enough for me to want to chock Robb. I'll be glad when this male Ghanida is gone from the island.

Jo

Jkm

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still say he did not know how to spell her name and did not want to spell it wrong and be embarassed. So he came up something else.

Car54

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember Tom from Africa? I don't think he could spell ANYONE's name! He always wrote initials or nicknames!

Hermione69

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If he didn't know how to spell her name that's fine, but he could have taken a guess. If he spelled it like it sounded, he wouldn't have been far off and it would have been apparent who he was voting for, i.e. Gandia or Gandya.

If he really wanted to use a nickname so as not to embarrass himself with misspelling it, then why the "bye bye" in front of it? That added to the appearance of him doing it to put her down.

Jeff appears to be tired of how disrespectful many of them are being to each other, and to him. That's MHO from his obvious irritation at the RC before last and this past TC.

Spunky

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It really should have been "omitted", like when a ballot is cast but it's unreadable. It would have been a first on Survivor, but then again it may have saved Ghandia from "eviction" (sorry for the BB terminology).

I'm surprised there wasn't a specific rule about this.

Turgon

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think clay just wanted the distinction of being the first vote that jeff couldnt decipher. hahah i laughed,

when he started to speak he said "for the first time" i thought he was gonna say we have a tie in survivor thialand but then he came out with the wtf is this scribble. caught me off guard.

Squaredsc

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't think the vote could be omitted because as mentioned before, nicknames have been used at previous tc's and it would have been very strange to do that now.

Hermione69

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even if it had been omitted, Ghandia still would have gotten the boot by 3-2.

Jagger

Monday, October 14, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the only problem was that Jeff had absolutly no idea as to who this vote was for, as stated above. He had to ask who wrote it and than who was the vote for. If I were in his shoes I would be upset too, if you are voting you should at least use a name or nickname that was known to everyone. I'm sure Jeff didn't want to have to come out and ask who's vote it was or who it was for, but what was he suppose to do. I suppose he could have thrown all the votes away and told everyone they need to go and revote and use the proper name.