Archive through October 04, 2002
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Archive through October 04, 2002
Hermione69 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:13 am     BTW, most of the posts in this thread are not the ones I have in mind when I talked about the feeling I got from certain posts. I don't want anyone here to feel like I am jumping all over them specifically! We are all entitled to our views, after all. Have a good day, everyone. I guess I should get some work done considering I am at work!! |
Wiseolowl | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:17 am     What bugs me the most about this whole episode is the destructive, unhelpful ( unless for her own ends ) role that Helen played in this. She could hardly wait to jump in and stir things up - either she has issues herself, or she was doing it to deflect attention away from herself. It was a completely negative way to react to this unfortunate situation. She could have been the healer - instead she chose to be judgmental and vindictive. |
Bcandscott | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:18 am     My Scott is a snuggler and he sleeps pretty soundly. When I get up in the night to visit the necessary, I stick a pillow or something in my spot in the bed or he will roll into it trying to find something to cuddle. We watched the show together last night and his comment was, "In that situation, being at least partially asleep, I'd even cuddle Chiara!" Considering his attitude toward that BB contestant, this was a major statement. What makes me angry at Ghandia and more sympathetic toward Ted however is that he handled the situation so much better even being pretty closed mouthed with Brian about the gossipy details, out of what seemed to be a genuine effort to avoid further problems for Ghandia about the incident. She, however, was duplicitous both with Ted when accepting his apology and with the other women when she told them "all about it" minus one very important part, THE APOLOGY. I think at some point this went from a genuine concern on her part, perhaps because of a previous experience in life, to a ploy for gratuitous attention or perhaps even GAME advantage. BAD FORM, IMHO |
Ginger | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:18 am     I also wanted to add, that I COMPLETELY agree with other posters who wonder why on earth Ghandia didn't simply get up and move away or at least make it clear in no uncertain terms that Ted was not welcome. If they'd BOTH handled themselves as monogamous people are supposed to in the first place this situation would not have happened. Ghandia is my least favorite player on that team, thanks to her tendencies to over-dramatize, but like I said before, and as Hermione has stated, Ted is responsible for bad behavior too, so it's unfair to simply bash Ghandia for this. |
Azriel | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:20 am     Car54,you said that Ted said he was asleep so why would he want to talk about it. He said that it was when he was waking up between that dreamy state and fully awake state. When he became fully awake he did realize that he was doing something inappropriate and he stopped. Ghandia must not have said anything at the time and he meant that although they didn't talk about it when he first woke up that he wanted to talk about it and clear it up. That sounded perfectly reasonable to me. He was probably embarrassed and ashamed to say anything to Ghandia at the time. If you look when he is talking to Ghandia and she accepts his apology, he really looks relieved as if it was something he had been worried about. |
Fluff | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:23 am     I don't understand why Ghandia would even want to discuss something as private as that with the other tribe members, anyway. Shame on her, and shame on Helen too. Ugh! |
Earthmother | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:29 am     I understand Fluff..because she knows that she has not done well on challenges and if they had to go to tribal council again she probably would be the one to go. Helen immediatly jumped on her band wagon for the same reason. Ted is the strongest member in this tribe and they will try anything to get rid of him.. Shame is right. |
Missy2 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:35 am     Last night's show made me dislike both Ted and Ghandia. I would like to see them both get picked off. What he did upset me, how she reacted upset me - the situation was handled in such an immature manner I will distraught if either of them make it to the jury. |
Sbw | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:36 am     My feelings 1. The tapes probably do exist of the "situation" and they just haven't been shown to us. 2. Ghandia spent a lot of time talking about it to the camera. Was she asked about it or did she just start spilling her guts every time there was a camera close? 3. Of all things that could happen on an island, isn't this the one thing that should have been between the two of them? Shouldn't she have found the time to talk to Ted when the cameras were NOT there. Obviously when they are out in the boat they can discuss things without the cameras. Of course with Ghandia's talking to the cameras it probably would have been hard to ditch the camera crew. 4. Didn't she find one of the worst days to bring attention to the fact when they had the red berets at their camp? Wasn't that putting herself above the camp? She obviously could have slept away from Ted that night. Disclaimer: I did not say Ted did not make mistakes. I don't know what they were, I did NOT see the incident. I have a feeling that some of you have guessed correctly, but I really don't know. |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:37 am     Apparently I can't seem to tear myself away, work or no... I would have wanted another female to talk to. I understand comletely her wanting to talk to Helen and Jan. I didn't like that she did not admit to her own culpability and she left out, by her own admission, the apology from Ted. That was far more wrong to me than the fact that she wanted to talk about it. She really handled the whole thing poorly with her tribemates. I think Helen stirred things up also. (See now, I am not defending Ghandia mindlessly, just trying to be fair...) And they really need to keep Ted for his strength. One IC win does not make them safe from Sook Jai forever! (Hi Earthmother!) |
Sbw | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:46 am     A really weird idea just came to me. I wonder if we saw the episode the way we would have if Ghandia hadn't upset Mark Burnett - at least if speculation is correct. He would have every right to use the footage but would he? Somehow I think this is one of the most personal things we have ever known about a reality shown contestant. |
Resortgirl | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:46 am     At the beginning of the show when Ghandia was talking about how comforting it was to have Ted there, someone to hug, snuggle ect. because she missed that from her husband, both my huband and I raised our eyebrows to that. I think she is responsible for putting out a message to Ted that she enjoyed the physical contact that they were sharing. If my Hubby or I were in that situation, neither of us would feel comfortable snuggling with someone of the opposite sex, unless it was purely for body heat and therefore survival. It would not be acceptable in satisfying the craving for physical contact. So Yes, I think she is a bit more to blame. Ted has some responsibilty, but she was sending some messages to him... JMHO... And I don't HATE her, I just don't care for her behaviour last night. |
Wiseolowl | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:02 am     You know Resort - I think the same way - Watching BB and all of the spooning and bed sharing - as well on Survivor - I always marvelled how these people could do this -especially the men (and I'm one) without succombing to do something inappropriateor being very very frustrated. Unless you're doing it to keep warm - in which case you have layers of clothing on anyways - this whole spooning thing - I just don't get. It'a an invitation for trouble. |
Fruitbat | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:04 am     I agree with all who have said they are both responsible. They engaged in some touchy feely behavior that was regrettable. No big deal. For Ghandia to claim to be a victim is just plain nuts. She is a grown woman and could have made her 'distress' known at the time or moved away. She handled the entire situation poorly by telling her team mates a distorted story AND not going back to Ted if she felt his apology was not sincere. She will pay for this. She has earned the next boot. Everyone makes mistakes or exibits poor behavior. That is human nature. Taking responsibility for your actions is where we see integrity or lack thereof. |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:09 am     That was an excellent way of putting it, Fruitbat! (I am really earning my paycheck today, aren't? Sitting here at work, posting away....)
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Rissa | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:19 am     This is my highly intelligent, well thought-out opinion (well, if you bought that.. shame on you LOL). Burnett obviously has tape of them sleeping, they showed some of it last night (but not the activity in question). If a sexual assult of any sort had occurred then Ted would have been out of the game. Burnett is smart enough not to walk into a lawsuit. If an assault of any sort had occurred, Ghandia (as a reasonably intelligent person) should have kept her mouth SHUT around camp and instead gone to the crew to complain/request Ted be removed immediately. If Burnett had tape to back up her official complaint, then Ted would have been gone. My immediate reaction while watching last night, was that it really didn't matter whether Ted was half asleep or not. If GHANDIA (!!!!) felt uncomfortable and invaded then we all need to respect that and Ted needs to apologize and atone. But after they had that talk, my mindset shifted. They showed the conversation where Ted (in good faith) explained, apologized and they made up. If she didn't want to accept the apology then fine, but she did, then turned around and started backstabbing him. I began getting the impression that she was feeling equally guilty for whatever it was that happened and was looking for others to validate HER innocence. Especially when they had the group meeting and she kept staring at the sand... no self-righteous defensive attitude at all. Ghandia should at least be honest with HERSELF, whatever way it went down had nothing to do with rape and that was a freaking loaded word to bring up. Either Ted was half asleep like he said, or her cuddling with him turned him on, he made a move, didn't go anywhere so he stopped. Either way, it wasn't close to rape and Ted needs to answer only to his wife. She also made a point of kissing Ted again after the immunity challenge. Obviously this is NOT a person she feels scared or threatened around. |
Sbw | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:37 am     Rissa, I agree with your last paragraph completely. If she was that upset and likened the situation to a rape, she should have been violently ill at the thought of even touching Ted. I was surprised when she hugged him after his apology. I think at most a touch on the hand would have been more than I could have "stomached" if I had felt someone was close to "raping" me. |
Eliz87 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:43 am     IMO, neither one of them should've been snuggling, PERIOD. They've both made commitments to other people and those commitments should be respected and upheld under any and all circumstances. If they wanted comfort, they should've asked that their luxury item be a big stuffed animal. Although I don't approve of either of their behaviors, I especially don't like the way Ghandia handled it the next day. She accepted Ted's apology, then turned right around and made him into the bad guy to "the girls." I can understand she was trying to do this for strategic reasons, but it thankfully backfired on her. The temper tantrum was totally uncalled for and it makes me think there's something more wrong with her than there appears to be on the surface. I did like the way Ted gathered everyone together to get it out in the open, but I will have to watch him for a couple more weeks to decide whether he really has it together or not. |
Car54 | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:51 am     Azriel, I think you are probably right...what I was trying to say was I felt the conversation we saw was not right...I actually think it was probably edited for TV and some of what you are saying did occur, but that something about what we saw was not the whole picture. |
Fruitbat | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 08:15 am     I forgot to say I see your point too Az. Makes sense. |
Spunky | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 08:19 am     I think she has ...issues. (just as they said of Lisa in BB with her hatred of Gerry). The guy has obviously apologized and promised not to do it anymore and she keeps hammering the same nail... she's the one who's creating a problem now... I just hope they're not doing this for ratings...(I see they're dragging this issue in the next episode too..) |
Fluff | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 08:19 am     Why would married people spoon other folks? |
Earthmother | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 08:31 am     I just have a real problem with her making comments to Jan and Helen without letting them know what Ted told her. This makes me distrust Ghandia completely and feel her motives are not what she says they are but for game. This kind of reputation damaging behavior is exactly why I found Lisa on bb so distasteful. |
Grooch | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 09:26 am     SBW wrote <<. I wonder if we saw the episode the way we would have if Ghandia hadn't upset Mark Burnett - at least if speculation is correct. >> What did Ghandia do to upset MB? |
Fluff | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 09:33 am     Well, I don't know if all that was true or not, but begin reading this thread right from the beginning, and you'll see. If that really was Ghandia making those posts, then she could get into a lot of legal trouble. |
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