Tonight's Show 12/19 - Season Finale!!!
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Car54 | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:23 pm     Sure hon. You don't get BBC America do you or you could drool over Laurence with the rest of us. |
Donut | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:31 pm     Hey CAR!!whaaassuppp?? my thoughts exactly. The jury sure has come a long way since they days of "pick a number from one to ten"!! Someone coached em real good! ok, show is back... ok shows over... THAT SUX!!! after all the great questions and they STILL succumbed to his evil powers! whoops, got sidetracked by the show....well, except for being stuck showing all those clips, Jeff did a great job. we have come a long way since Bryant... Now if they would only replace Julie Chen... They sure spent NO time with Brian!!!. wonder if its because of the stuff going on with his wife.. I actually have thoughts that it is all a part of his big plan... to get a million bucks, then dump the wife by taunting her into hitting him and slapping her with a restraining order to make him look good and get a divorce without having to pay her much of the money.. altho wasnt that her there, crying? i bet Jeff was dying to Probst that story.... |
Donut | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:42 pm     Car, i just went back and read a few archives , and you are on a roll! I think you should definitely replace Julie Chen!! |
Abbynormal | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:49 pm     Car, I do get BBC, I will post over there tomorrow. |
Halfunit | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 08:49 pm     Up for auction: One lunch in L.A. with Mark Burnett. I say we all chip in and send Car!! Survivor / eBay Auction |
Ericzj | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:01 pm     posted by Donut - I actually have thoughts that it is all a part of his big plan... to get a million bucks, then dump the wife by taunting her into hitting him and slapping her with a restraining order to make him look good and get a divorce without having to pay her much of the money.. Actually Brian and his wife reside in California which means that he will be splitting that million dollars with the woman that punched him in the face. He has the restraining order because it is obvious she is a very violent person who needs to get a grip. With the history of her violence his wishes to protect their child also are taken into account. Read all about it on www.thesmokinggun.com before you start damning Brian. No matter what, violence is not an answer. |
Donut | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:16 pm     sorry, but it was just IMHO, and my own speculation, and i was just on the Brian thread and discovered that lots of people beat me to that theory days ago..Also. i know about the 50-50 law, but there is some speculation about the timing of the awarding of the money and the affect that has on whether she is entitled to it.. Also, her lawyers say that he was drunk, not watching their kid, and towered over her threateningly and that she was afraid and pushed him away, and apparently got him in the nose... I am the last person in the world to condone violence,and we will probably never know what happened in the privacy of their home, and its not our business, but being that he put himself in the public limelite, we get the right to look at him and form our own little funky opinions. frankly if i am going to damn brian for anything, it is some of the comments that he made on the show ,but i am sorry if i offended you at all with my comments |
Halfunit | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:27 pm     So, how long will it take to get a Survivor VI - Amazon folder.... I mean, we need a place for the official countdown, right? |
Halfunit | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:47 pm     <smacks self> Nevermind, it's already available. |
Becca | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:16 pm     You know what, Helen saying that she tried to take another road and it failed, well that actually in my opinion vindicates Brian's decision to vote her out.. I found it hypocritical that her and TEd were all Brian you broke your word and claiming they wouldn't during the vote, then her saying, I was trying to do it later. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:02 am     I have never felt so sick after a final TC. Not so much because of the two sitting there competing for the money, although that was certainly a factor, but just way too much of the uglier side of humanity came out. I didn't even watch the reunion show. I was so disgusted with almost everyone left. Ken was far too much a self-righteous hypocrite. So was Helen. Penny was just self-centered. I could go on and on, but I don't feel like it. The bottom line is Clay and Brian outplayed everybody. They all had their chances one way or another. To see such ugliness, ugh. |
Squaredsc | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:46 am     im sorry hermione that you didn't enjoy the show. but i enjoyed it. to me it was the best one yet. it was high drama especially after such a boring season it needed this shot in the arm. abbynormal, i have first claim to laurence but i do share. just putting that out there. i personally didn't care for how penny based her vote. those people don't give a f*ck about you or care where you come from, its a game. i bet she didn't even try to get to know the others for personal reasons but for strategy and thats probably what clay did. she's an idiot. but again, great show. |
Webkitty | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 07:46 am     Hermione, I'm sorry you are upset You have really put an effort into this Survivor season for us hear at tvch, and I feel for you that things didn't turn out better. I liked the show, and I think Brian deserved the win 100%. He won challenges when he needed to, indivually and for his tribe. He used his acting skills to make the others see things his way. (I don't hold this against him, use whatever you have to make it to the end) He rode on no one else's coatails. It was a business trip that was completed sucessfully. This doesn't leave me cold, just in awe. He had luck on his side in that SJ self destructed, and he didn't have to make the hard decisions until the very end. Still, I rank him up there with Richard Hatch and Colby, except he didn't make the "keith" mistake at the end like Colby did. I liked his answer on what he will do with the million, make it grow. (he must already have some acting jobs lined up) I don't know how I feel about him as a person, he does have a teflon exterior, but, eh. On the other hand, I do know how I feel about Helen. I like her and it would have been nice to see her go further. But, she had chances and blew it, along with Jan. They could have taken out Clay or Brian but did not. Also, I had to agree with Brian on Helen getting "sketchy" at the end. If she had stayed true to her course, he would have brought her to F3, she could have won the last challenge, and she WOULD have won over Brian. Hindsight. I was entertained by the whole 3 hours last night and am looking forward to Feb for S6. |
Conejo | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 07:48 am     Best show yet this season except for them floating out those floral arrangments - way too much melodrama for me. And here's another show where everyone spends a few days with each other and they have a freind for life or they just love the other members of their tribe or its "changed their life forever" Hog Wash! I don't believe a f-ing word of that bull sh!t. |
Rslover | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:01 am     Helen - oh Helen, why didn't you form an alliance with Jan and Ted when you had the chance? You could have pulled it off. You should have won this game. You were too trusting. I guess it takes a used carsalesman to think like one! |
Webkitty | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:10 am     Conejo, lol, I knew someone would put down the "day of reflection". I like it, always have, it makes me a little sad knowing the season is just minutes from being over. I didn't see any melodrama in it at all. The music was sad and sweet and fit the scene perfectly. Actually, this was my favorite "reflection day" so far. I loved the image of them softly paddling down that gorgeous inlet, the scenery was breathtaking and the flower rememberences were nice too I disagree with your other comment too. This is the 5th season, and each and every person that has ever participated comes back to say it was a life altering experience, one that only their fellow players can understand. I "get" it, and I don't think its hog wash at all. jmo  |
Rslover | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:21 am     I couldn't believe how obnoxious Clay was in the end. The little twerp just doesn't think before he talks. He said so many nasty things about everyone on the show. Does anyone remember what it was that Ted was referring to? |
Car54 | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 09:42 am     Square, I totally agree with you. This was this was the most satisfying finale I have ever seen. I also agree that Penny kind of wasted her vote and time on the jury. Heck, I think Erin, who we never saw do anything, did a much better job. Ken actually had some valid points but he communicated his ideas so poorly it just did not come across effectively. I think even tho I pretty much knew the ending the way it played out was fascinating. My only critisism was the final rite of passage. Usually that is a very moving part of the finale, but due to the coldbloodedness of Clay and Brian, I felt like this experience did not really move them or change them much. I think it did for Jan, but it made that part less meaningful. I really don't need to "like" any of the players to enjoy the show. I think almost every member of Chuay played a world class game (even Ghandia...she was hell to watch, but we will never forget her). I think the Sooks will go down in history as one of the least capable tribes but they definitely had some memorable characters and moments. Great great effort in the finale. Thanks MB! |
Realfan | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 09:47 am     <<You know what, Helen saying that she tried to take another road and it failed, well that actually in my opinion vindicates Brian's decision to vote her out.. I found it hypocritical that her and Ted were all Brian you broke your word and claiming they wouldn't during the vote, then her saying, I was trying to do it later. >> EXACTLY! She said she was riding the fence, she admitted she tried to vote CLAY out, and doesn't that violate the Brian-Clay-Helen alliance as much as it would if she targeted Brian first? She lofted the first volley. I do like her a lot, though. And I was really glad to see that she and Brian made up (shown on the Early Show.) But I was rooting for Brian, because he kept his eye on the prize and never faltered. And I SO don't believe he really misspelled "road," but intentionally threw the challenge. That man is NOT stupid. He knew he would be winning a car at the end, and didn't want people to have an excuse to vote him off. Until I learn otherwise, that's what I believe. <<I personally didn't care for how penny based her vote. those people don't give a f*ck about you or care where you come from, its a game. i bet she didn't even try to get to know the others for personal reasons but for strategy and thats probably what clay did. she's an idiot.>> Penny is such a self-centered little TWIT. Brian needed to read her better, and realize all she cared about was ME ME ME. She cornered Clay at some point and blathered on about her life story, and that's why she gave him her vote? I've worked with people for years that I get along with wonderfully, who don't know how many siblings I have! Ugh. Hermione, I sort of felt the same. The jury members showed their ugly sides last night--except perhaps for Jake. What was up Ken's butt? It's a frickin' game! People talked about the other members of their tribe all the time! I loved the flower boats. A nice way to do the fallen heroes. I thought it was hysterical that the clips of Robb were mostly the negative things he did. I can tell the crew really, really disliked him (Jeff even said they never had such an immature player before!). Interesting that Jeff plugged a particular book as one to follow to win this game. I wonder how many hits that book got on Amazon since then? All in all, a fun season, and a great show! |
Willnu | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:05 pm     The thing that I still marvel at the fact that many of the survivors get so upset at being deceived or lied to, when they should know that it is totally within the rules. Seems like they want it both ways..and let's face it some are so blind to their own actions its unbelievable. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 12:50 pm     I have to say even though I hate to, that Brian deserved to win the game. He outplayed them all, some were bitter but still voted for him. Maybe it was because they disliked Clay so much, I don't know. I enjoyed this years survivor, and can't wait for the next one to start. I hope the discussion is more active here, it just seemed to pick up and the game was over. I liked the reunion show, the questions were good. See you all in a month to start discussing Survivor vI. |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 01:55 pm     What Willnu said. There was just too much hypocrisy at the final TC for me to swallow. Not too sure I am going to turn in to S6 or not, but I probably will. MB swears the beginning to S6 is awesome and it will probably only take one show to get me hooked again! I do think Brian deserved to win and it kills me to say that, LOL! He may be a very nice man, but everything that has come out about him in his personal life is just yucky. I love the villains for their entertainment value, but I still like the good guys to win in the end. There was not a good guy sitting in the F2 spot, IMHO. Like Ted said, they were choosing between the lesser of the two evils. Isn't it kind of funny to think that if Clay had just gone on some more water runs he may have won???? Seems like Helen and Jan both had no patience for how little he did around camp. That would have bothered me too. |
Csnog | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 01:56 pm     There are some things that I don't understand. Why did Brian think that Helen "owed" him. They went 7 TC's before having to turn on themselves so they were in a comfy spot. Helen tried to take Clay out but Jan would not listen. Jan seemed to not want to make any decisions except for the only one she made when she refused to vote for Ted to go during the Ghandia affair. Jan would have taken 3rd with either alliance. Jans lack of decisions determined the winner more than anyone else. |
Realbiz | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 02:29 pm     one question: has it always been 4:3 in the final jury votes for the winners from S1 - S5?! |
Hermione69 | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 02:50 pm     No, I think Ethan won by like 5-2. |
Neko | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 03:05 pm     No one's won by 8 to 0 yet. That's be cool. LOL Actually, it wouldn't...oh well *shrugs* |
Lauram | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 03:15 pm     "No one's won by 8 to 0 yet. That's be cool. LOL" I dont think it will ever happen since there are only 7 people on the jury.... |
Halfunit | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:03 pm     Square, the aubergine dummy doll is only $150!!
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Grooch | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:28 pm     ROFL!!!!!!!!!! |
Grooch | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:29 pm     And then we can put a skirt on him, and we can call him Laurence. <snickerfits> |
Gina8642 | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 06:36 pm     Gotta ditto the stuff said about Penny. Each player can play the game and vote however they want, but to judge everyone else by your standards seemed very hypocritical. The more I get to know her, the more the girl drives me up a wall. BTW - I really liked the first part of the reunion show when Jeff really held their feet to the fire and made them answer some tough questions. I really felt for Helen when you saw her only possible savior at the end (Jan) come off as totally confused. I'm also at peace with Brian winning. He really played a masterful game. |
Shelb724 | Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 03:32 pm     For all its faults, this was a good survivor show. plus the fact that having Jeff as the moderator was way better than Bryant or Rosie. He was there with them, he probably saw way more of them than we did (or Rosie or Bryant!). |
Cricket | Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 09:09 pm     I have to agree with Hermoine about the final show and some of the reunion. The last episode was a snooze fest. The two jerks ran everything. Everyone's descriptions of Penny are so right on. I don't understand why Jan and Helen didn't vote off Clay. That would have been the logical thing to do. Jan mentioned they were afraid of a tie, but sheesh, it would have made the game more interesting. Jan is a nice person, but she seemed a little slow-witted for this game. I thought it was horrible when the two guys stood over her and 'told' her what was going to happen. I didn't want either of the finalists to win. They were both rotten. Interesting that they don't let the Survivors watch the show until after the final vote, but they do let the Big Brother contestants. Too bad, BB3 might have had a different outcome. They should make it the same for all the shows one way or the other. I do agree that Jeff was good with what he had to work with. I laughed out loud when he kept trying to get through to Clay what a fool he was. LOL! |
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