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Realtvfan

Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 10:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To me, Helen is one of the luckiest players at the moment. She had made numerous mistakes every week, but other player issues have kept her mistakes under the radar.

Publicly complaining in front of everyone about the distance to get water in week one and then during week two she goes to get water with Jan - who is too weak to help at all, either paddling all that distance in the canoe or carrying water to the canoe - Huge mistake.

Forgetting the map to the water and not going back for it. Huge mistake.

Her handling of the issues with Ted. Big mistake.

She would have probably been gone week one if not for John's practical jokes or the puzzle disaster, or week two if the other girl was not sick.

Now week 3, she says has just figured out the game. Not a smart player.

She seems very lucky to me.

Catfat

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
bump

Wiseolowl

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK Catfat you've done alot of bumping now show us some grinding - that's what the mob seems to like

Catfat

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Wiseolowl--Good one!!
I started bumping these threads up to help myself (and everyone) keep track of some of these lesser-known faces.
(Catfat bumps & grinds her way into the sunset)

Cricket

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL @ Wiseolowl. Don't you know all that bumping and grinding can get you in trouble on Survivor??

You're right Catfat; Helen has been lucky. Let's hope and pray it's not the same lucky as Lisa in BB3. She acts so 'tough' it's hard to like her. When she said she couldn't cry when they threw her that surprise for her 20th anniversary, I couldn't believe she was a woman. Who cares what the men you work with think. Her tough mind mentality doesn't make her seem human.

If they merge the tribes like they did last time, she will not get along with the others because her current team members are the nicest of the lot and they put up with her, but that other team might let her have it.

Wiseolowl

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My admiration for Helen as a game player really went up tonight.
Thought her voting out Ghandia was a good strategic move. Had it gone 3-3 it would have been a tossup and then the men if they had won would have picked off the remaining women . They will probably do so anyways but I suspect that she got the vibes that the men are looking at Jan as the physically weak one so she, Helen, has bought a pass for the next eviction.
Depending on what happens in future eviction challenges she could go on for quite a few weeks and by then the men's alliance might break.
Notice that despite how annoyed she was, she was giving Clay a foot massage. She's playing smart.

Car54

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I KNEW she would figure this out. Very smart game Helen. I can't believe how much energy this woman has on no food in miserable heat and humidity.

If she can keep playing like this she is going to be here a while.

Babyruth

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Helen a lot. She's smart and is adjusting well to each new situation and to things she learns about her teammates. She is strong emotionally, physically and mentally, and should do well unless the others feel threatened by this (ala Hunter).

Alegria

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
she did a very balanced and coherent anaylysis of her reasoning regarding the Ghandia/Ted situation and then took it even further by voting very strategically. Helen should go far. Bitchin'!!!!!

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Alegria, and I will add that Ghandias decision to go with Clay, gave her the extra confidence she needed to follow her head with peace of mind.

Curlyq

Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Was Ghandia telling Helen that they should bring it to a tie so they can do the rock in the bag thing? If I were Helen that in itself would've made up my mind for me. If it came to that any one of the 6 could've been kicked out, so why should Helen want to bring it to a tie and risk losing the draw? Yes, Helen definitely made the smart move.

Eliz87

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 05:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Helen made a very smart move last night, too, with her vote for Ghandia to leave, and I chalk that up to her military experience. I think her career has probably made her more of a strategic thinker than the average Joe. Of course, this experience also helps her to deal with the men effectively. Plus, I think she's simply a woman of strong character, and I like that. (Go Helen!)

I had to snicker, though, at Tribal Council when Helen was going on and on about the things she does during the day -- "I get up in the morning and have to do this, then this, then think about this, then the challenges, etc. etc." I commented to my husband that on a scale of 1 to 10, Helen's anxiety level appears to be around 33. (hehe) Certainly her fellow tribe members notice this too and hopefully they won't use it against her.

Resortgirl

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 05:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Eliz, I noticed that too. I hope it doesn't come back to bite her.

Niceguy

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It looks like she's leaving Jan out to twist in the wind as far as the men are concerned.

Pamy

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen is starting to remind me of Kathy from last yr, I didn't like her in the beginning, she was to bossy and negative and she almost got voted off. Now she is melding with the tribe, playing both sides and keeping her mouth shut, not comming off to strong. Smart! I say she makes it far

Misslibra

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Helen did a very smart thing in her voting. I also think if she doesn't like doing all the work she does she is smart enough to make it known to the Men without rocking the boat to much if she wanted to.

Cricket

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess my question may have been answered and that was what would happen if there was a tie. I too gained some respect for Helen last night as she was very analytical and did what she had to in order to stay.

Why in the world would they put a rock in a bag to decide a tie? That's weird. If that's the case, then Helen made the right choice in voting Ghandia off.

She is somewhat like Kathy from last Survivor. I never grew to like Kathy that much and am still on the fence about Helen. I'll have to see what she does in the next couple of weeks.

Csnog

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen and Brian are in an alliance.

Brian hangs with the guys and gets information.

Notice that Helen did NOT* dish Brian when she was talking about work duties.

Misslibra

Friday, October 11, 2002 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmmm... very interesting Csnog.

Fruitbat

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have gone back and forth with Helen. I agree she may be like Kathy in the respect that I will warm to her and become an avid supporter.

I was put off when she told Brian they were all voting for Ted. Now that I know/think she is in a secret alliance with him it makes more sense.

I still do not like her siding with Ghandia over the incident. I don't believe there were sides to be taken. She jumped quickly to place blame.

Car54

Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not too crazy about Helen's personality, but I think she is playing a great game for her postion...as an older woman, she is pretty vulnerable, and she is playing defensively instead of letting them pick her off.

Niceguy

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 05:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Up until this episode I wondered what got Helen on the show. She's not gross or anything but nothing stood out except her brassy mouth.

She can sing her butt off. I'm not saying she's Enya or Faith Hill but Helen's got skills.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Niceguy, I agree with you about being able to sing well--especially without any music.

I also think she was picked because she is tough with an off beat sense of humor.

An observation about the talk of her recipes--a couple seem to be bothered about it, although a couple of folks have said they enjoyed heraing her recipes.

I think she is playing the game pretty well so far. Unless something strange happens we are not seeing so far, I see no reason they would want to keep Penny or Jake over any of the Chuay folks. As Erin pointed out in her CBS chat, the Chuay folks sing, joke, laugh, play games, and have some fun together. Whatever story MB tries to show us on the TV, I think this will hold them together and will be why they get rid of Siik before going at each other.

Helen could be doing a lot worse!

Squaredsc

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 06:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
she's ok but still don't like how she acted during the whole ted/ghandia thing. but that's in the past. so far she's doing ok to me don't really dislike her.

Catfat

Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 08:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squared, I felt just as you do about Helen and the Ted/Ghandia thing in the beginning, and was miffed at Helen for taking up for Ghandia. But then I realized she was just standing up for the female in a perceived sexual misconduct episode, which doesn't always happen. Of course, as we found out later, it was a total non-event which Ghandia tried to twist to her own advantage. I'll bet Helen was embarassed and angry at having been made a fool of (is that a sentence?). I hope Gandia had enough backbone and class to apologize to both Ted and Helen for her miserable, unfunny behavior. She behaved like a nasty, low-class, slutty manipulator.