Archive through December 01, 2002
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Archive through December 01, 2002
Car54 | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:11 am     He just strikes me as kind of rigid. Not a bad guy, just set in his own ways, and not really open to new/different things. I think he is going to be gone come the merge. He thinks he and Jake are allies, but Jake just listened last night. He did not really commit to anything long term. |
Bastable | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 11:27 am     Yeah, you're both right. He's too two-dimensional to ever consider that he could be wrong. He really does live and breathe the cop/military subculture. Frightening. I'm just waiting for him to use his 9/11 tales to stay in the game. Please, please, Ken... don't sink that low! |
Tabbyking | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 11:43 am     i am totally surprised at how little time most of them stayed under. even without a way to breathe, most everyone could stay more than 9 seconds!! i remember in history class hearing of escaped slaves hiding under water and breathing through reeds, sometimes for hours, for example. it must have been the 'panicking' part that got to them, although i think i held my breath well over a minute by age 6 or 7. how come helen didn't go in? she probably could have gone for a long time. to have a water challenge and sit her out made no sense to me. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 12:11 pm     Tabby, someone in another thread said that they know from scuba experience, that when you get just a small amount of salt water in, you will cough. Remember they had to go down there and blow the water out first and then use the bamboo to breathe. If they didn't do blow out the water well, they could have then sucked water in by mistake and thus considerably shortened their time underwater. That would make sense because didn't most of them come up coughing? I also wondered about Helen, though. Maybe they had to pick before they knew what the challenge was? Or maybe they were told to pick her because it would give them an unfair advantage because of her job. |
Ozarktracy | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 03:09 pm     Did it appear to anyone else that Ted was about to raise his hand and say that he was going to sit this challenge out? And then Helen just pops up and says she'll sit it out. I have it on tape and will have to go back and watch it to refresh my memory, but I don't think they even made eye contact with each other, didn't seem to think it over, so I'm wondering if she just decided to sit it out without consulting the others. I was suspecting from her jumping on the chance to sit it out that perhaps she was HOPING they'd be the ones to go to TC. Perhaps get rid of Jan? Clay? But we know Ted doesn't think he's that great of a swimmer, so perhaps he figured the underwater breathing wouldn't be his type of game, and one would think that Helen would do great in that type of challenge, considering her profession. This reminds me, on one of the other Survivors, they didn't make the professional rower sit out a challenge, she competed, and she lost. I can't remember which one that was. But I don't think Helen was forced to sit it out because she's a swim instructor. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 04:53 pm     That would seem unfair for them to be told to sit her out, but I can't see anyone throwing a challenge at this point in the game either. That is too risky. Did you have a chance to rewatch and see whether she spoke up first? BTW, who was the professional rower from a previous Survivor? |
Quietstorm4 | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:04 pm     Hermione, the professional rower was Kelly Wigglesworth from the 1st survivor. She lost a rowing challenge to Gervase. She was pissed, and I was ROFLMAO! |
Ozarktracy | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:23 pm     Hermione, I haven't had a chance to look it over again but will let ya know (or I know someone else will). I was talking to someone I work with today who also watched it last night, and she told me she saw the same thing - that it looked like Helen jumped on the chance to sit out that competition. She also noticed that Ted was raising his hand and opening his mouth to say something when she quickly volunteered. Now I'm really wondering, did they have any clue about the competition? I can't remember! Were they able to practice ahead of time? I NEED to go watch that tape again!! Quietstorm, thanks for the memory!!! That was too funny about Kelly. Just goes to show that even if a pro lends their skills to a competition, they may do more damage than good, ROFL. Maybe Helen had a cold.... or was afraid that someone would hold her under for talking about all those recipes!!! |
Squaredsc | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:37 pm     i still think he's a hotty. and thats all im admitting to. lol. |
Curlyq | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 07:02 pm     Helen had admitted in the past that she's a chronic worrier and doesn't strike me as someone who handles stress very well. I suspect that since the clue only told them the challenge involved handling stress they probably decided ahead of time that she'd sit it out. |
Grooch | Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 03:37 am     Good point, Curlq. It makes sense, if she volunteered to sit out before hearing what the challenge was. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 04:11 am     That is a good point, Curly. I didn't watch Survivor 1 until about the F5 so I must have missed the Kelly/Gervase challenge. I'm sure sorry I missed that first season! |
Ozarktracy | Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 06:08 am     Ok, I just rewatched it. First, the challenge is explained to them, then they're asked who is sitting it out. Ted starts to say something, sounds to me like "I'll" and then Helen, who's standing next to him, and kind of to the side of Clay, unfolds her arms and raises her hand/finger up and just about then, Clay says "Helen" and Jeff Propst says Helen a split second later. So I don't know if it was prearranged that Helen would sit it out (because of Ted's almost saying "I'll" or maybe he was about to say "I think it's Helen"?? or "I'll sit it out if Helen wants to do this one"?) or if Clay happened to see her raise her finger out of the corner of his eye and said her name. But yeah, I think that perhaps it was prearranged that Helen would sit it out, since they did receive a clue that it would involve stress and they did have a chance to talk about what that might be. It was probably Ted who was hoping that they could do a last minute change and let him sit it out instead. |
Pamy | Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 08:07 am     All this talk about Helen reminds me of the saying....'Those that can do and those that can't teach!!' |
Squaredsc | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 07:50 am     bumpity bump in case someone wants to post his post-boot interview. im sorry to see another hottie bite the dust. |
Spunky | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 09:15 am     Well, that's what happens when you're too arrogant to think that you can throw off an immunity challenge and still be safe. The three of them were so convinced it was going to be Ted...well, Clay showed them one thing or two... So long Ken, you didn't even make a strong impact on me...at least Robb and Shi Ann had some spunk... |
Jagger | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 09:26 am     It didn't bother me that he got the boot, and he seemed to realize that he was going too, at least from my take of the show I think he knew the other group would stick together and boot him. I lost all respect for everyone on that tribe when they started givig the physically stronger players the boot early on, they are out there to win a game not make friends. Ken did seem like one of the nicer ones on that tribe or at least to me he did. |
Twinkie | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 11:47 am     Did anyone see his interview this morning? Has it been posted anywhere? |
Bastable | Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 06:56 pm     Ken did a terrible job digging up those disks. Clay beat him 10 to 3. Did anyone else suspect that the reason for this is Ken has a learning disorder? He just seemed to utterly crack... it was very unlike him. |
Sia | Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 11:58 pm     Ken seemed extremely BAD at using a map and being able to follow compass directions. One thing that might have helped him would be if the sign which indicated the numbers with their Thai equivalents had been posted ahead of the pit where the disks were buried. It seemed difficult for Ken to make the association with the proper direction after studying the billboard and then turning around 180 degrees to apply the info. It's been a while since that episode, and I don't tape, so this is just what I remember thinking at the time. |
Lyn | Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 12:09 am     Given their occupations, I find it kind of odd that Survivor's Ken (cop) and TAR's Damon & Andre (cop/fireman) can't follow maps/directions |
Bastable | Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 09:28 am     Then again, Lyn, if you can't read or write very well but you're otherwise competent, then being a cop or fireman seems like an excellent option. If you can't be white collar because of a learning problem, then you'll be blue collar... |
Djgirl5235 | Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 09:31 am     I saw an interview with Ken and he stated that the directions weren't very clear when they were given, and he had to run back to Jeff after a bit, to get further clarification... I would think that after 20-odd days with little food, and not a lot of sleep, etc., your mind would be a little cloudy... |
Car54 | Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 09:50 am     Exactly Djgirl...that challenge was way complicated. Heck I just had a nap and ate supper that night and I couldn't understand the instructions. To parlay that into some theory that Ken has a problem is kind of stretching it... |
Chiparock | Sunday, December 01, 2002 - 10:46 am     When I'm stressed or distracted or otherwise not able to concentrate, nothing I read makes any sense; it might as well be written (or diagrammed) in Arabic or Chinese. I empathize totally with Ken's plight in that part of the challenge. He was impressive in the first part, though: how he could look at those squiggles for a few seconds and be able to remember which number each represented was an awesome feat. I remember thinking that his powers of observation must serve him well in his job. |
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