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Webkitty

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 05:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Tabby! I am getting ready to post what I think about the IC. It will take me awhile, so hang onto your mouses!! lol!

(I get this way at the end of Survivor season, so don't mind me!)

Halfunit

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm enjoying your theories, Webkitty.

I am a bit perplexed about the whole drunk thing though. What I'm taking in is that to win the truck, you have to get drunk?

(Eh.. what kind of message is that, lol...)

½

Webkitty

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 05:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, this is just from what I could gleen from looking at the pics at Survivorfever regarding the Immunity Challenge.

It looks like the Super Challenge to me.

It shows Jan climbing on a rope wall. Brian and Ted in thick jungle. There is a pic of them all with large, square satchels slung over their shoulders. It looks like they are racing. Brian looks like he is in front, then Ted, then Clay, then Helen with Jan bringing up the rear. There is a pic on someone (Ted?) kneeled over in a bamboo cage. Pic of Jan and Clay kneeled down digging? A airial shot of some sort of skinny poles, and some of them there (couldn't make it out)
Finally, there is a pic of Helen and Jan not looking too happy.

I really don't think this is the RC, it must be the IC.

They said they would have more pics as the week goes on, but this is all for now.

I hope someone goes over there (survivorfever) and and can tell me if I missed something!
I didn't see where Sux has any pics of this (suposed) IC, but I could have missed it.

Webkitty

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Halfunit, I'm just guessing from the pics I've seen (there is one of a spa-looking Thai lady and she looks like she is welcoming the winner) It looks like there is a massage table in the background.
The CBS clue says that someone overindulges in wine and shows a different side. Maybe Jan gets drunk and her towel falls off while getting a massage, showing a different side? LOL!

Unless there are two seperate rewards given out for first and second place, (and anything could be possible after last week)
it would seem that whoever wins the Trailblazer also gets a spa day, with wine.

Essence

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, keep the analysis coming. You said you didn't think this was the RC. Is that more just your feeling? I ask because last season when Sean won the truck, it was a challenge similar to this with past challenges incorporated into one. It was pretty physical. I think in that episode the IC was the storytelling, remembering facts challenge. Were there pictures from another challenge, or just this one?

Seamonkey

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they all get new buffs, and feel

RE-Buffed???

Maybe whoever wins the vehicle, gets the spa day and gets to take someone along to the spa day? So one could get the car and the other could get drunk and blow up at the car winner? Or just get drunk and show the other side.

And if Ted wins the vehicle and he's not a drinker then the spa-mate would perhaps get double wine and then double whine?

Webkitty

Saturday, December 07, 2002 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Essence, I know what your saying. They were saying the same thing over at Sux. I remember that last year too.

The reason I think the RC is weight loss, is because in all the pics, they all look so happy and pleased as they are looking at their bio pics, and checking themselves out in the mirror, and during the ride in the car.
The CBS clue said that after the RC, the rest were left to stew in their bitterness. So, if the RC was the super challenge, #1 they wouldn't look this happy after being bitter #2 they look too perky to have just finished a greuling super challenge.

So, I am thinking that they start off that day happy about the RC (weight loss) and the pics seems to support this. It is probably a fun little challenge for them. But then the losers stew in their bitterness (seems like a weird comment)

Then, they go on the IC, where they all look stressed and exhaused in the pics (from being bitter, lol) There was probably much scheming going on between challenges, and maybe whoever goes to the spa comes back drunk and makes it all worse.

Also, in the above CBS promo that Car posted, Ted is saying: I'm physically and mentally strong. This was right after the promo was saying that they had stayed together out of loyalty but now have to compete against each other for the ultimate Survivor prize. This means to me the million dollars(IC) but I guess it could mean a car (RC)

Now I'm all confused!! LOL!

Seamonkey, I just saw you post and that makes sense too. That the car winner gets to take someone to the spa (remember Lex and Tom and how drunk Tom got?) hummmmmmm, something to think about. I'm taping TS, but I'm going to go watch too, I think.

Webkitty

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 04:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I think I was wrong about the RC being weight loss.
I went back to SV, and looked at the pics again. They are wearing the exact same clothes in the SUV as in the pics of the SC. In the pics of the weight loss, they are wearing their swimsuits.
So, the RC has to be the SC. And the weight loss has to be the IC.

There is a pic of Helen and Jan not looking too happy at the SC, plus, I think the SC would favor a man with stamina, so I am going to say Helen or Jan don't win the SUV.
Everyone at SUX is saying Ted wins it, so I'll go along with that. Now, does he have a spa day and overindulge in wine, or does he get to take someone with him who does?
Maybe since he and Helen seem to have a plan cooked up to get rid of Clay, he takes her. There are pics at SV where they both look hungover! lol!

Anyway, thanks for questioning that Essence, it made me go back and take another look, and I can't believe I missed that big clue!

Webkitty

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 05:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So, if the IC is weight loss, who wins it? I made a case above for a woman to win it, but Helen or Jan seem likely to go this week. (unless the TDT spoiler is wrong, and Clay goes)

Maybe, since this is the IC, Brian does win it, I think he could, and what Bat said would be interesting, because everyone is assuming Clay wins immunity this week. This is a hard one!

I have to go now and finish up my yardsale, I'll come back later today. I need to put my brain on "refresh" anyway, lol!

Csnog

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 06:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted has said that he does NOT drink.

This is an important show financially for the remaining players who do not win the Million.

5th place takes home $55,000.00

4th place takes home $80,000.00

3rd place takes home $90,000.00

2nd place takes home $100,000.00

You can see that there is a big jump in the take home pay for those in the final 4. One of the reasons that the players talk about being in the final 4 besides winning the million.

If Clay wins IC Jan goes to LL.

Tabbyking

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well, if ted wins the truck, maybe the others will vote him out, thinking between that and the fifth place win, he would have enough prize.
or maybe they will keep him in for the final 2, thinking the JURORS will say,'ted won the truck and he'll get 100k....so let's vote for _____ to win survivor.'

Hermione69

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ted wins the truck. Sometimes the easiest solution is the best... seems like the winner would either be the one to drive the vehicle or be in the passenger seat. Also, it's common courtesy. If Jan or Clay won, for example, I'm sure the others would insist that the winner, if not driving, gets shotgun, even if it would mean a little discomfort in the back seat. Speaking of that, they are sitting on each other's laps as it is. Ted would have a better lap. Everyone else is so tiny! I would rather sit on Ted's lap than Clay, Helen or Jan's! Therefore Ted, since he is not seen in the backseat shot, won the car. He also rolled around on the ground after this last challenge. Helen and Brian are way too emotionally conservative to be that joyous. Jan, maybe, but she tends to jump up and down and squeal. Clay maybe, but I think if Clay wins, he would be in that front seat faster than you could blink. Ted wins. MHO. I can't even guess an alternate. None of the others seem likely. I don't think Helen or Brian will want to win because they are too aware of how it could build resentment. I don't think Jan has the physical strength to win and this is usually a physical challenge. And, like I said, if Clay won, he would be up front in a split second.

If the weight loss challenge is for immunity, I don't think Ted will win that. He has lost SO MUCH that he has room for a greater margin of error. Spoilers at the beginning of the season put Clay and Helen's weight loss in the 32-35 pound range and Ted's in the 50+ pound range. Is he going to go THAT much higher in his guess? I also heard that Jan lost around 30. No numbers for Brian were reported. I can see Clay winning this easily. I bet that all of them are going to be surprised at how much they have lost, but I can see Clay guessing less conservatively than the others. Add that to the fact that I think he needs to win IC or Helen's plan to get him booted will work and I'm guessing a Clay win for immunity. Jan is my alternate because so many people think she will go this week and their arguments make sense, but most of the big spoilers don't think she leaves yet and this would be one way she is safe.

Either Helen or Ted to feel rebuffed and hatch the plan. Helen has already started. If she gets the sense that Brian is not 100% behind her in getting rid of Clay, she may feel rebuffed by him. Ted also may feel rebuffed by Brian and start talking to Helen. But if this is the case, why do they show the letters B, H, T in the sand? I can't believe that Helen, Ted and Jan can't get a feel for how much power they have as a group of three, but Ted and Helen are just being too blindly loyal to Brian. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!

"One Survivor overindulges in wine and shows a new side of their personality." I don't think that is Jan, Brian or Ted. We've already seen Jan drunk; it would hardly be a new side of her personality. We've seen Brian drunk too-- remember the wretching and the bad guitar playing? Ted doesn't drink, for whatever reason. If he is in recovery, I can't see him breaking his sobriety in a forum that will be aired on national TV. Most people that I know who don't drink, DON'T DRINK. A special occasion doesn't change that philosophy. It's not like a dieter who goes to a buffet and thinks, "Oh, I'll have this just this once." I'm guessing Helen to be the person here. I don't think Clay's personality would change that much. I think maybe Helen has too much to drink and says too much and that is a factor in her possibly getting booted.

Webkitty

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione, good points as always. I'm on board with Ted winning the truck. I can see him winning the SC and rolling around on the ground.
I still think that pic was taken right before the SC/RC. The CBS blurb says the rest were bitter about their loss, they just all look too joyous for it to be after.

Now, where does the wine come in on all this? If its Helen who gets drunk, where does she get it from? I think there might be a spa day thrown in there too. If there is, who goes besides Ted? All of them? Ted gets to invite one of them?

I realize this is just the RC, but if it is Helen who shows a side that is not nice, it might support the idea that she goes this week instead of Jan. I seem to remember some of them saying that the least little thing could sway opinions as to who gets booted, if there is a waffling on who to get rid of. (oops, I just read up and realized you said this same thing in a different way)

I feel like I'm talking myself in circles in this thread but I can't help it! need to figure this out! lol

Moondance

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I left something for you & Hermione in your folder MsKitty:)

Webkitty

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh good, I'm glad Hermione got one too I left by thank you in my folder, MsMoon

Moondance

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh no! she didn't... you did... I will be right back...

Allietex

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 10:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
About guessing the weight loss thing, remember that Ted was a professional football player. Those guys are very aware of their weight and often are ordered by their coaches to lose a certain amount of weight. Ted may be able to guess his weight loss better than most.

Clp

Sunday, December 08, 2002 - 10:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Look at them, they all have their bags. They don't usually take them to a RC do they? Maybe they all go to the spa, this would definitely be a first. They all drink a little and someone shows a new side of their personality
TED - has said he doesn't drink
CLAY - I don't see him showing something he hasn't shown, be it perverted, scheming, funny, or sentimental about his family
BRIAN - way to controlled, even when he got barfing drunk a few eps back, he didn't let his mask slip
SO
either Jan or Helen - Jan has been toasted and she seems to do this regularly so not her
HELEN - I could totally see her going against her NAVY TOUGH GAL persona and being a weepy drunk

Webkitty

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 07:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, this wine thing has me stumped.

Clp, I thought of that too. That after Ted wins the SUV, Jeff announces there is a second part of the reward, and they all get to go to the spa where there is wine. Maybe this is why they all look so happy riding in the SUV.
The only thing that bothers me about this scenario is that blurb that says after the winner rolls around on the ground, the rest are left to STEW in their bitterness.
I am leaning towards Jeff announcing after Ted wins the SUV, he tells him he also gets a day at a spa, the losers are given some wine to drown their sorrows (getting STEWED in their bitterness) and Helen overindulges and in her weak state gets weepy for her husband, who just left.

Regarding the large tote looking bags they have slung over them during the RC. I think this must be PART of the RC. They might have to gather things in the jungle or digs things up from the beach, like a scavenger hunt. Then, go on to the next part of the SC.

Car54

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
At this point, I think some challenge has to get some food into them. All the boots say the food situation was pretty grim and they were very weak.
Makes for pretty crappy TV to watch dizzy people starving. I think they will get some kind of food or something to share or bring home...and maybe wine too. They need some energy to go the last 3-4 days.

Hermione69

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, I like your scenario. Since they like to do that play on words, the wine may very well be a consolation prize leaving the losers to "get stewed."

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course! Stewed/drunk. That makes so much sense. Webkitty, you are on a roll girl!

They may get a basket of food or some cheese and crackers for the wine too. Drinking on a stomach of boiled weeds will not make great TV.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Eyemail from CBS: With only members of the original Chuay
Gahn tribe left, the castaways must turn
on each other to survive. Plus a big
reward challenge takes the tribe for a
ride in a new truck and causes tension
between the winner and the losers.
SURVIVOR: THAILAND, Thursday,
December 12, 9PM ET/PT.


Looks like you are correct about Ted taking them in the SUV to somewhere to get that wine.

Webkitty

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, thanks for posting that, I know your puter is whacky right now.

So, the pic of them in the truck is after Ted wins it? They all look so happy, not bitter or tense.

Do we think that they all get to go to the day spa, and that's were they get wine?
And there is tension in the truck while driving there?

Or do we think that pic is from right before the SC/RC to give them a taste of what they all MIGHT win? And then the losers get some wine and go back to the cave to whine?

Help me out! This is giving me a brain meltdown! lol!

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My guess is that Ted takes them all after the win. Just a hunch. They all get to be together as the losers get stewed.

I don't put too much stock in the comment about tenssion. I am sure there is tension and will be from here on out, sort of a given at this point.