The "OLD" outplay the young.
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Csnog | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:40 pm     It seems that this is the one show where the older generation survives. All of the 20 somethings are gone. Are the older players better at the game? Are the young to immature to last? Do they let their egos get in the way? I am an "older" myself but I wonder why the young on this show cant outwit, outplay, outlast and out scheme? |
Zipsdaddy | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:45 pm     The "young" on this show are also now the jury. Who will have the last laugh? |
Misslibra | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:53 pm     The older team seem to know that it takes working together whether you like the person or not to survive. Once they got rid of the trouble maker (Ghandia) who was doing nothing but dividing them with her stupid games, they all started to work well together. The younger team never seem to understand that they needed each other. They were a divided team and that IMO was their undoing. So maturity would definitely be a factor as to why the younger tribe in no more. |
Llkoolaid | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:53 pm     The lack of real life experiences. They haven't learned to listen. Most of the youth of Survivor usually come of as spoiled brats. They just assume things will go their way because they want it and are shocked when they lose. They don't take responsibility for their own loses and instead try to lay the blame on others. It's the me generation thing, they are not team players. It's all about beauty and phyical strengths. This doesn't apply to all youth but a big majority of the ones that we have seen on survivor. Survivor is like a game of chess and these guys only know the rules to Candyland. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:08 pm     One huge difference is how the teams were picked.. Even though the leaders were the two oldest, Jan loaded up with more of the older people, while Jake leaned towards the buffs and babes.. and though it didn't look that way at first, the "older" team ended up more in control at the merge. That is certainly a big factor |
Seamonkey | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:11 pm     Zips.. the last laugh? The two oldsters who take home the million and the hundred thou, I'd say.. those young'uns on the jury only get to choose between two.. Not saying Brian is THAT old, or Helen but they sure aren't 20. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 03:55 am     "Survivor is like a game of chess and these guys only know the rules to Candyland." ROFLMAO! |
Jeep | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 05:52 am     Am I missing something? There will only be 3 youngsters on the jury, Erin, Ken and Penny. The rest will be the "not as young" players. So, I think the oldsters take the cake all around. Llkoolaid - loved the Chess/Candland comparison! It was perfect! |
Zipsdaddy | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:32 am     Age is relative you know.... I am 47, so who I call "young" may be different because of my age.. LOL. To me, Jake or Jan winning would be the older ones..... |
Realbiz | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:39 am     More importantly, is the group dynamic and team spirit - which the s.j. team lacked. Jan has choosen a better team than Jake did, of course they did not have any knowledge of how the players are at the beginning. A good group which can stick together has always proven an asset in this game. |
Fruitbat | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:47 am     The cast for S6 left before they could see this dynamic. I am thinking they will do the team chosen by captains again. I liked it. |
Realbiz | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:53 am     older and wiser |
Cc1976 | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 11:45 am     "They haven't learned to listen. Most of the youth of Survivor usually come of as spoiled brats. They just assume things will go their way because they want it and are shocked when they lose. They don't take responsibility for their own loses and instead try to lay the blame on others. It's the me generation thing, they are not team players." I don't think that's fair at all. I recall CG, especially Brian, Clay and Ted laying blame on Jan and Ghandia after losing challenges. The more important the challenges are and the more desperate the teams are, the more likely they are to point fingers. That goes for everyone. |
Csnog | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 11:47 am     When you remember the ages of the past winners Richard was 40 Tina was 40 Ethan was 28 Vee was 36 7 of this years players were in their 20's and they are all gone. Brian is now the youngest player at (34) I realize that Jake (61) and Penny and Erin were the alliance with Ken(30) hanging with them. But If Ken had formed an alliance with Robb, Shii Ann, Stephanie and Jed who were all strong players, Ken might still be there and they would have been a stronger team. Do future young players need to pay attention to trying to fit in with the older? over 30) players? Do they need to realize that working together as a team is more important than individual wants and needs? Can the twenty something players KEEP their word in forming alliances? |
Jello | Friday, November 22, 2002 - 03:12 pm     Remember that historically there has been a clue to the winner in the first episode. Perhaps "The Importance of Being E___Est [ELDEST]" meant more than tribe selection at the beginning. Brian now looks like the young cub of the tribe. He should win, but won't; he is this year's Lex. One of the "oldsters" [using term advisedly but am oldster too, so don't flame back] is going to win this thing. |
Lyn | Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 12:31 am     Tina was 40? Wow, she looked A LOT older than that! |
Llkoolaid | Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 05:32 am     The truth isn't always fair. |
Llkoolaid | Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 07:49 am     If Ken had formed an alliance with Robb, Shii Ann, Stephanie and Jed who were all strong players, Ken might still be there and they would have been a stronger team. Do they need to realize that working together as a team is more important than individual wants and needs? Csnog, what a team that could have been, brains and brawn, I think you are right on that working together is the most important thing. If these guys had of put 1/3 the energy working together that they did fighting they would still be around. Maybe it is just that the 20 somethings haven't learned to pick their battles yet. I remember feeling sorry for Chewy when their team was picked, I didn't think they had a chance. The log challenge was an example of something that they should have won but didn't because they lost their self control. Kicking out Jed,Robb and Stephanie were big mistakes too. They were the strongest along with Shi-ann is the challenges. They became 2 teams instead of one . I don't know what it is, there have been bad players both young and old but for some reason other than Ethan who played it very low key and aligned with older players, the winners have all been well out of their 20's. Maybe it is just dumb luck or that they are underestimated. |
Catfat | Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 10:33 am     Speaking of young players, isn't Colby in his 20's? |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 12:14 pm     I think both young and old can have the aproach to do well in a team setting. At the same time, both young and old can be selfish and look at things as "me, me, me". I have to wonder if in the process of picking people, MB doesn't choose traits of various types so there is some conflict. Those who will do anything to win, and those who will follow only a narrow set of behaviors. Those who want to work well with others and those who will alwasy take the selfish road. Or those who are there only for the money and those who see it as a vacation or an adventure---but in all cases he feels will make for some good TV. Even this season out two oldest people took diametrically opposed approaches to picking teams--Jake went for the youngest and physically storngest. Jan went for a mixture of youth and age. I think in the end it wasn't that Chuay was better at the challenges. I think Chuay was better at being able to work together as a team/family, and didn't have near the division within ranks that Sook had. It is that kind of thing that affects how a group will perform as a team under pressure. It's the littlest differences that can affect the outcomes we see. FOr me this is the hok that Survivor provides to me--to watch all the little details and how they afect the game--and the people. After all, the game of Survivor is really a game of the people. I think back to Lex, and wonder what his life would be like today if he had handed the keys to his newly won vehicle to the hospital he had visited. |
Wargod | Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 04:02 pm     Ok, I wasn't going to get into this, but Lance you're just forcing me to with that Lex comment, LOL! Why just Lex? And whats wrong with his life? In every Survivor, someone has one a car, and a few have one the big money (first and second place,) how many of them have given up their winnings to charity? Heck, if I went to the jungle with no food and won a car, I wouldn't give it up, LOL. The Chewy team worked well as a team...which the first part of the game is about. They worked together, they for the most part seemed to enjoy each other, and they're sitting at the end of the game with over half their team still there...obviously they did something right. And I do think its because they had the more mature players who realized that they'd get further working together instead of against each other. Then you got the Sook Jai tribe, who couldn't quite figure out that not all 8 of them could be a leader. They fought, hardly ever worked together, and look where they are now....down to 1 tribe member left. They definitely showed a bunch of immaturity during the game...some of the tribe wouldn't sleep or eat with the others, several of them lost their tempers, and when it came time that they needed to work as a tribe, they just couldn't do it. I don't equate age with maturity....I've known some very mature young people, and immature older people. Sook Jai had most of the young people, but even if they had been older, unless they were more mature, they still would have acted the same. |
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