Archive through December 27, 2002
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Archive through December 27, 2002
Hummingbird | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:27 pm     Ted's remarks to Clay were out of line. I saw no racist behavior and calling a man an ignorant redneck reflects worse on Ted than Clay. More importantly, Ted witnessed no racist behavior himself, just took someone's word for it. |
Ladytex | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:30 pm     Depends on your point of view ... I've been calling Clay a red neck for awhile in here from what I've seen on the show. Ted saw more than I did ... |
Hummingbird | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:54 pm     To label all Southerns rednecks and racist is also discrimination. Pot calls kettle black!!! No pun intended. |
Ladytex | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:57 pm     Excuse me, where did I label all southerners redneck?? |
Car54 | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:42 pm     Clay will have a CBS chat this week, probably. I hope someone will ask him for more details. The whole thing seemed really odd to me..Ted really handled himself with a lot of class when he was booted...and was really mellow and articulate..nothing about this issue ever came up, and then this...it felt like some piece of info got glossed over or cut. I was very surprised that Jeff did not immediately turn to Helen and ask what exactly she heard and repeated. He did that on a number of other issues, but this got dropped very quickly. I think there is more to this and I hope either Helen or Clay will be asked more about it in their post boot press. |
Ladytex | Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:49 pm     Me, too Car. I'd like to know what really happened. |
Bastable | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 09:44 am     Pretty sleazy to accuse anyone of racism of national TV without proof. It becomes really dicey when you consider that there were microphones and cameras on these people 24/7 and they didn't catch anything like that. I really dislike Clay, I can tell his type a mile off because I grew up in the South, but even I will say that wasn't fair. |
Squaredsc | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 10:55 am     well ted's perception is his reality. we dont' know what helen said to ted. we don't know what clay said the entire 24/7 that he was on the island. this is a stickey issue which is why jeff probably didn't go into it and why it wasn't mentioned on the early show. people are already up in arms about the trent lott thing so i think if there was something that happened it would be downplayed or ignored. but they weren't able to cut ted's speech. so its out there but cbs is trying their best to ignore it. look at how people on this board and others jumped last season when sean mentioned racial things. maybe ted will say what happended, maybe not. but irregardless it was something that he felt, not us. and clay had how long after the final tc to ask ted what he meant. |
Ophiliasgrandma | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 04:28 pm     I believe Disney should put him under contract as soon as possible for their next big animated movie. He has the most wonderful voice since James Earl Jones. Anyone else notice? |
Seamonkey | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 07:27 pm     In Brian's chat (which I just read in his thread) he said he thought Clay had made a racist remark, but not ABOUT Ted.. and I didn't get that Ted thought the remark was necessarily about him, but who knows? It did seem to come out of left field.. |
Cablejockey | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 08:20 pm     CBS still owns these poeple for a few more years, so I don't think we will be hearing anything that really happened on this show, until the contestants dont have to fear being sued. |
Guinevere | Friday, December 20, 2002 - 09:56 pm     I don't like accusing someone of racism without proof - I take it seriously. That said, I can believe it of Clay. He certainly showed enough evidence of male chauvinism. Not that the two go hand in hand, but it makes it easier for me to believe. I don't think Helen is the sort of person who would make something like that up, at all. I don't think Ted is the sort to make it up, either. And now Brian has confirmed that at least Clay did say SOMETHING... You can take what I say with a grain of salt, because I am a fan of Ted's and most assuredly not of Clay's. |
Squaredsc | Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 06:47 am     ophiliasgrandma(what a mouthful) he does have a great deep voice, smooth as butter. yep either disney or he could do some voice-over work in commercials too. |
Niceguy | Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 04:09 pm     The only out and out redneck I've seen on the Survivor shows was Big Tom. Clay is nothing like Tom and vice versa. This seems like some last minute desperation manuevering on Helen's part because of her distate for Clay. We'll never know. Ted doesn't read people very well. He should have approached that new information with caution. Especially if it came from Helen after her being booted. This was the same person who just betrayed you earlier after you shared an reward with them. He did not look good making those types of statements. 'You're on national television, buddy.' 'Watch what you say.' |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 04:52 pm     I think the worst thing Ted did was to call Clay all those names. He basically did what he accused Clay of doing. While concepts like "Red Neck" are about race, they are certainly about groupings and traits. The negativity was there just the same. If Clay had done that to Ted, there would be some groups wanting Clay's hide right now. When Ted made his comments about alliance/trust and friendship from Brian being lemons, I saw that as being a bit different. Ted was slamming that Brian was not genuine with either, and by Brian's own admission that was true. Ted just made it personal. I thought Ted read some things pretty well. He read when Brian turned on him. He read that Clay needed to go at about the right time. There were some things he missed. One thing they all had in common was reading Brian incorrectly. |
Whit4you | Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 06:06 pm     Clay was raised in the south back when they had seperate drinking fountains for 'whites' and seperate restrooms for 'whites' etc... it's not hard to imagine he might have a comment or something that is a residual effect of that. My dad to my knowledge was not a racists but he used a few terms that he grew up with - and I really had no idea they were concidered racist until it was pointed out to me in my mid 30's ... so if he DID make a comment or used a saying it doesn't necissarily mean that CLay IS a racist but it could be similiar to a few sayings that I grew up with like here's an example... I always heard "free, white and over 21' just never had given it ANY thought...just a saying I heard alot growing up - I used it once around one of my friends and he said it was racist... (the word WHITE in it apparently) I definately never meant it as racist when I said it - it was just a saying...that I'd always heard. Ironically SINCE then I've heard 'free, black and over 21' a # of times, usure why it is not racist when said that way but racist when said the way I learned it but apparently the saying ITSELF dates back to back when blacks were NOT free. Anyhow I'm rambling, but the POINT is he was raised in the south back when things were much much different so if he does have a few residual sayings, or comments that someone else might construe as racist - I don't think that makes him a racist, just someone like myself who is still learning over the years. Ted on the other hand made very racist remarks regarding Clay and apparently HE feels that it's ok, or that two wrongs make a right, I dunno. I felt he went way beyond a tv game show to slam someones personality as he did Clay (I'd probably feel differently if he then voted for Clay) But since he knew he was not votign for Clay I felt that was just below the belt and not ok. |
Juju2bigdog | Saturday, December 21, 2002 - 06:52 pm     Ophiliasgrandma, I always loved listening to Ted's voice. I agree he needs to do some voice overs. |
Hummingbird | Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 10:22 am     To Ladytex above -- didn't mean to apply that you, personally, labled anybody. I was commenting on the hypocrisy of someone accusing a person of being a racist while stereotyping the accuser oneself. This was what I saw from Ted -- don't know anything about you and I don't want to pick fights with individual posters. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough. Opinions only coming from the Hummer, no arguing intended. |
Clp | Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 01:48 pm     I was very disappointed in Ted's remarks about Clay. It seems that Ted, after the Ghandia Incident, would be more sensitive to hearsay and what shaky accusations can do to a person's character. IMO, Clay was totally shocked by the accusation. Clay showed over and over again when cornered he attacks and gets very defnsive, ie the blow up at Jake and reaction to Helen's final question. I can't see him not reacting the same way to Ted if the accusation were true. I think he was still baffled on Thursday night as well. |
Grooch | Friday, December 27, 2002 - 06:23 am     Here's an interview with Ted. An interesting thing at the end, the interviewer asked why Helen sat out of the underwater bamboo contest. Link |
Tabbyking | Friday, December 27, 2002 - 12:21 pm     i know there were a few times the cameras weren't on them, because helen mentioned (in an interview) being alone with clay on the boat for a long time, and saying she was surprised no cameras went along. i don't know if that's when helen supposedly heard something racist. |
Car54 | Friday, December 27, 2002 - 12:41 pm     I think this is sooooooo strange.... lots of hearsay and then Ted decides to confront it at the finals, but no one will say exactly what happened. Seems like if it was bad enough to bring into the show, they should have been willing to repeat what they thought he said. I have some feeling from the article I read that Clay said something and he isn't even aware of what he said or how it was taken. Not trying to make an excuse for him, but it seems like if they did want to confront him, they should be clear on what offended them. |
Squaredsc | Friday, December 27, 2002 - 02:55 pm     im thinking like car said. he probably was making some joke or remark that he wouldn't have thought would be offensive, but was to ted and or helen. im also thinking that cbs has told them not to say anything else about it due to the trent lott thing. they don't want anything to reflect badly against the network, jmo fwiw. |
Squaredsc | Friday, December 27, 2002 - 03:04 pm     ok just read the interview, great interview by the way. i still don't think this is something that helen would have made up. but i guess we really won't know specifically. still like ted and he was one of my favorites. |
Car54 | Friday, December 27, 2002 - 03:15 pm     I lived in the south for a long time, and have met a lot of Clay-type guys (including some of my own relatives) and most of the time, they have NO idea how they come across. I think if it was bad enough to confront him on TV about they should have been willing to talk to him about it, even if it was privately...how else is he ever going to learn what effect his words have. From the interview with Clay, now he is just defensive and mad because he doesn't know what he said that provoked them. The Brian part is mysterious too, and leads me to believe that Square might be right..CBS does not want their winner tainted by this, and if he was involved that may be why they are trying to let this die down. I still like Ted and Helen, but wish this part of the show had closure. Guess that is up to them! |
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