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Ark

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was sad to see Shi Ann go but since the Chewies are my favorite tribe, I guess it was better for them if she went before she could spill any of their secrets.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hate to say this, but I understand why SJ voted out Shii, who else would they have voted out? She did go over to the light. But I also don't blame her for going there. She fit in much better with those guys and if things had gone the way the past 5 Survivors went, she would have been in a good spot. It makes me sad that it played out like this because I really liked Shii Ann and enjoyed watching her interact with CG. Her relief was palpable. I'm really sorry she is gone. This is the sorriest I have been about someone's leaving on S5.

I do NOT like Penny. She seems smug and sanctimonious and she smirked through just about the entire tribal council. I hope she goes next, but it will probably be Ken.

(I enjoyed hearing about the antics of all the pets while their owners tried to post!)

Car54

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, it was kind of interesting how much Brian talked to the camera this episode. He has not done that before. I like him better quiet. He was kinda scary tonight.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I knew there wasn't going to be a merge once the first part went by and Jeff never said "merge" himself...They just moved locations. There will be a merge probably, most likely at 8, because once the jury starts to come back to observe TC, they will have to have everyone there (but not necessarily, but that makes the most sense). SJ has to win next week most likely, otherwise they're down 5-3 and if they merge then, they might be done. CG got a lucky break, they went from 7-5 down to now 5-4 up, and SJ doesn't trust each other, while CG got thru their problems mostly. The first part of it with the body paint was designed specifically to get people to give out information about the others, and MB knew they weren't going to merge, that was brilliant on his part.

Misslibra

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good show tonight, enjoyed seeing some of them get a chance to relax. Although hearing and seeing Brian throwing up I could of did without. And I like the twist tonight, it was scandalous!

I can't blame Shii Ann for going toward the light either. But she should have waited just a bit longer before diving all the way into the light.

Well a least she got to enjoy herself some after the two tribes were put together. She was the most happiest I have seen her since the show started.

Webkitty

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione, I agree with you. This season would have been so much more interesting if the merge as usual had happened. For once we could have seen someone acutally defect wholeheartedly to another tribe.

This business of living all together at one camp but still competing as two tribes stinks. Did MB run out of money or something? What's the purpose? I think he's lost his marbles.

Penny was not edited in a good light tonight. Even her face at TC looked mean and scary. I have been reading speculation over at SS that she makes it to F2, if not the winner. This stinks.

The only one left at SJ that I care about now is Jake. At least he looked like it pained him to have to vote off Shii Anne. The rest of them looked either smug or desperate.

I am STILL liking Brian, comments or not.

Csnog

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jake is the dark player. He has had Penny and Erin in his alliance since day one. Ken and Shii Ann have only been aligned with them to boot Jed, Stephanie and Robb out when they needed to boot someone. If they have to boot someone next week it would be Ken because the Texas 3 will not crumble. If the Chewies loose I think Jan will go. She had a lot of face time tonight.

Curlyq

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't get how this arrangement can work without merging at some point. What if one tribe ends up with a lot more people than the other? Won't the immunity challenges get kind of lame if it's like 2 people competing against 5?

Anyway, I was also disappointed in the turn of events. I wish Shii Ann had waited a few more rounds before going after Penny. She had no guarantee that Chuay Gahn was really going to vote out Penny. Their biggest target had to be Ken, and they probably just told her they'd vote out Penny to get her to split the Sook Jai vote. Then they could vote out Ken 5-4. I'm surprised this didn't occur to her.

Ah, well. At least Chuay Gahn got a good bit of inside info before she left.

Gina8642

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe they will just stay two tribes. It sure would prevent pagonging.

Chiparock

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Shii Ann, one of the most interesting Survivors. Gone. Damn. I had hoped Penny would get the boot, but knowing that Jake, Ken and Erin were at her wedding, I figured that wouldn't happen. But I did want to smash a grapefruit into Penny's smug mug. Grrrr!
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Csnog

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They will probably go to Individual competitions at 8 members.

Awareinva

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One thing Car noted that really hit home to me was when Ted was talking to Shi Ann, I really noticed that he had lost a lot of weight in his face. There was a spoiler about Ted losing a lot of weight and so he must have gone far.... I hadn't noted any real weight loss before but that scene showed he really had lost quite a bit of weight at this point. Maybe he doesn't go as far as I thought.

Evil Mark B. snowed me totally with the previews for this one.... after the show started and no new buffs appeared, hubby and I knew they were being fooled and Shi Devil was digging her own grave. I totally love your graphic, Chiparock and agree. Grrrr

That Penny is a real schemer but we all knew from face time that Shi was a goner. But I'll give it to her she fought to the end.... what a speech at TC- rivaled Sue Hawks and was a lot more logical! :)

And, um, Brian, buddy.... haven't you learned anything???? That "I am the leader, I am the king" speech is the kiss of death!!! No one since Rich Hatch has pulled it off (can you say Lex, John, Silas, etc.?) I hope that stops because he is my favorite of those left. (Jake runs a close second, but I don't like the company he keeps)

Tabbyking

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i can't wait to see it in another 50 minutes! sounds like some of them spilled their guts, thinking they would be merged and sort of protected, then they had to go back to their individual tribe. too bad there wasn't a permanent merge tonight. a little twist on the usual "merge at 10 members". i wonder if they would merge at 9 or only with an even number?

Webkitty

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cnog, I agree with you but I think that Penny is central player in the alliance of 3, not Jake. I have a feeling that Penny and ERin are the core alliance, with Jake as a third. Sort of like Brian and Ted, with Clay as a third.

I agree that Ken goes next on SJ, and on CG, its Jan. Clay went to Penny's wedding so they must have bonded somehow. I just don't think he will get booted before Jan.

Bottom line, I feel very strongly that Penny is in this until the end, ug.

Babyruth

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep waiting for Brian to crack up mid-speech, unable to keep a straight face while referring to HIS kingdom. He's either playing it especially deadpan for the cameraperson, or he's truly got an inflated ego. And the bigger it gets, the harder it's going to be for him to keep it under the radar.

Aware, I noticed the weight loss in Ted's belly and face. He's looking good!

Csnog

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jake said in his promo that he would align with only females. When he found 2 females from Texas "bingo". I really feel that Jake is the dark player this season. Jake kept Shii Ann as long as he could but let her go when she looked like she would go to the other tribe.

We never see Jake talk to Ken and we don't really see him talking to anyone.

We saw tonight that even Ken is not in Jakes tight alliance. Ken and Shii Ann have been a shill for them.

If Penny was the leader she would never speak out as she has been doing. Penny is Jakes hatchet man.

Sallycat

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was sorry to see Shi Ann go. She did the same thing that Robb did in trying TOO hard on selling her point to the tribe. I got a little uncomfortable for her, just as I did when Robb gave his speech around the campfire, just before he was given the heave ho. There was a little desperation in their speeches.

Car54

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Brian is serious. He is not saying this to anyone else, and so far, has said nothing to the camera that a jury member would have seen.

I think he really believes he is totally in control and can make people do what he wants.

Watch when he interacts. He is either sitting listening, or he is mirroring the other person. He gives them what they want to hear. The difference between him and Lex (would never put Silas in this class) is that he seems to be managing his emotions. Lex was really sick and really lost control of his temper in front of people. Haven't seen Brian lose control once. He seems to be handling the physical stress very well...tho he too looks much sharper and thinner.

I don't think I would like Brian much in person, but he is playing a very good game. His mask slipped a little last night...good for us, but I don't think that will happen much. Very good player. It will be interesting to see him actively boot someone...see if he can do it without making an enemy.

Risa

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
His Kingdom? What the hell is Brian smoking? As for Shi Ann, I feel she had a big part in Robb's departure even though he pretty well ruined things himself, she didn't help so what goes around comes around. I am shocked at Penny's behavior as I thought she was such a sweet girl but then I remembered she told Robb she wouldn't vote against him, liar. One thing ShiAnn said was true tonight, and that was Ken's "cop" persona coming out. I think he has had this from the first and I don't like any self appointed leaders. ShiAnn and Steph should have switched when the had the chance. Finally, I think Penny should go next. I never saw the real Penny before tonight.

Car54

Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember, Jeff said that at first everyone was very impressed that Ken was a cop, but that made things interesting later in the game.

Jo_5329

Friday, November 01, 2002 - 04:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well do I have egg on my face? (Along with the 2 tribes we know and love)

I really enjoyed watching Shi Ann brighen up on this show - even Ken could tell a difference. Clearly, Shi Ann was on the wrong Tribe from the beginning ...

Oh well ... maybe it's time I go visit the Suck's Thread and get settled in ... <sigh>

Kaili

Friday, November 01, 2002 - 04:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just wonder now how they could pull this one off again next year. Any team would now expect to be seperate. When Jeff said something different is happening then saids they would be living together- didn't they not realize that there is NOTHING different about that if it was a merge.

Car54

Friday, November 01, 2002 - 06:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I think the use of the "ambassadors" and the feast is what fooled them. Traditionally they do those 2 things, and they were so excited, they did not pay attention to what Jeff really said. The tribes made up a new name themselves...he did not tell them to do it. What was "different" was the body painting and pairing of players, and the picnic...that step has been handled differently in every version.

I think they expected to get the new buffs at the next challenge.

Next time I suspect people will be a lot more paranoid.

Chiparock

Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope that adorable monkey gets more "face time." I was LOL watching him garbaging down their food. The Survivors certainly don't appreciate his antics, though.

Hermione69

Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I laughed so hard at that monkey, especially because he even had the look of a child sneaking cookies from the cookie jar! "Is anyone watching me? Am I going to get caught?" Too bad we can't give the monkey the million.