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Fruitbat

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they see the fallen comrades on their way to the final challenge.

I am expecting a different challenge at the end. I am tired of the pole, maybe that is why. Wishful thinking.

Someone will happen by with your answer. I am just in the mood to talk about Survivor so I am adding useless info here.

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know that I can really explain who Snewser is. He's a mystery, but one that people put a lot of faith in. I think he is affiliated with SurvivorNews.net:

http://survivornews.net/snn.php?sid=spoilers

and

http://survivornews.net/snn.php?sid=scorecard

I know he sometimes posts at votedoff, but I don't belong there and you can't even read the posts if you are not a member. I didn't become aware of him until midway through S4 because I didn't get into the boards until then. I lurked at Blows and it was Snewser this and Snewser that and he (or she) was always right, from the time I started lurking there anyway.

A lot of people think the other sites wait for him to predict before making their own! I'm pretty sure he is the first one to officially call Penny to go last time. No one this season has been 100% however.

Sux is making this out to be a "TDT versus Snewser; who will emerge as the victor?" type of thing. But Snewser has been pretty quiet since TDT made their F2 pronouncement.

TDT has really put themselves out on a limb by calling this F2 and most people believe that TDT wouldn't do that if they weren't sure enough of their information to make such a call. Because if they are wrong, they will lose A LOT of credibility.

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 12:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From Snewser posted at Sux earlier today:

"My pick of Jan winning wasn't confirmed. Just an educated guess before the show started airing based on circumstantial evidence. I've been gone for 5 days, so haven't really researched the latest goings on yet, but If TDT feels this confident about the final two being Brian and Clay, I'm inclined to believe him."

Looks like we may well have our final two, folks!

Fruitbat

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 04:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It makes sense to me. Now who is F3? I am inclined to say Jan. Brian and Clay are smart and going for the win. They seem to be able to keep focused on the game and keep personalities out of the mix. Jan is the least threat to win the final IC. Helen is the biggest.

I know there is a spoiler that puts Ted in that position but there was one that had Penny there as well.

Hermione69

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruit, I think that the spoiler that puts Ted in the F3 position was the one about the family RC. If I remember correctly, the person responsible for that spoiler said that Ted's brother goes and it is believed to be the F3. So if tomorrow night is the family RC as we are thinking, obviously its value placing Ted in the F3 is no longer valid. The person it originated with may have gotten it half-right.

One of the spoilers with Penny in the F4 was that ambiguous one that had a young, blonde woman in the F4. Some people speculated that could have been Jan, from a distance. With her slim frame and pigtails, she could have appeared deceptively young. If that spoiler has ANY validity at all, however, Clay is not supposed to make the F4 because the other 3 were described to be an older woman (Helen?), a black man (obviously Ted) and a man with shaggy hair (sounds much more like Brian than Clay). Most people discounted this one a long time ago, I just thought it would be fun to bring it up again. It's a little boring to me that people are so certain now! :)

Webkitty

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, I thought the spoiler placing Ted in F3 was that this brother or BIL wins the IC with him, thus letting him go to the F3 postion. This is all confusing.

I am thinking that there is some thruth in this, and Ted's brother or bil does show up but the facts got distorted thru the telling. Maybe it was the RC, or if it was the IC, Ted went on to F4 instead of F3.
I guess we'll see Thursday.

Hermione69

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Never mind the end of my last post, I was just over at Sux where someone else tried to resurrect this spoiler and this person got majorly flamed. I am am embarrassed. Like I said, I am just kind of bored knowing already who the F2 are expected to be. Although there was a bit of debate at first, pretty much everyone has decided to buy into the TDT F2 spoiler now.

Hermione69

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Web, I think a lot of facts do get distorted. That's why it is so fun when something completely unexpected happens at a time when most of the spoiling community is sitting there complacently, secure in their predictions.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Calling Hermione!! lol

Did you see that post over at SS by Snewser regarding the Les Mooves statement? Did he (Snewser) post that tongue-in-cheek? Or is it a real statement by Moonves? It didn't sound like something that someone in Mooves position would say, (regarding the final 2 spoiler by TDT) so I'm taking it that it wasn't really said by him, especailly since no one else has commented on it.

Whadaya think?

Essence

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, don't hold out on us. What was the statement?

Hermione69

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Webkitty! I'm having a snow day and can play all I want! So I got your call pretty quickly, LOL!

I think Snewser was just being cryptic and wrote that "article" himself. I don't think Mooves would go to that extreme because it just givens more weight to the TDT. If Mooves were to comment at all, it would likely be to downplay it for now while the show is going on. After all, the more attention Mooves gives it, the more people will believe it. While if it is ignored, people can argue against it. Maybe after the show is over, if it turned out to be a legit spoiler from a legit source, Mooves may try to take legal action then.

I saw Snewser's "article" yesterday and have read it three times now and while I am 99.99% sure he wrote it himself, I am 0% sure of what he is really trying to say! He seems to be on board with TDT on his website and from a couple of other posts, but there is this one line in the "article" that says, "we have no spoilers of mass destruction" which made me wonder if he isn't giving it as much credence as the rest of us are. On the other hand, he could just be saying TDT is under no obligation to tell their source since so many people are crying, "Where did TDT get their information? I'm not going to believe TDT until the reveal how they got it!"

I truly do not know! What do you think?

Hermione69

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Essence, an article was posted by Snewser at Sux that basically had CBS's big guy Mooves extremely angry at TDT for their F2 spoiler, but I think the statement/article was just Snewser making a cryptic point.

This is the "article":

Wed Dec 4, 9:12 AM ET
(Reuters) - CBS President Les Moonves said on Tuesday it did not matter whether private investigators were able to find evidence used as the basis of the TDT final two, TDT must de-source or face attack.

"The issue is not the investigators," Moonves told . "The issue is whether or not TDT will de-source. We're not interested in hide and seek. He says he doesn't have spoilers of destruction. He's got 'em. He's not only got 'em he's used them," Moonves said.

"For 3 years we have been subjected to his blackmailing our executives, hacking our computer network, bribing the post production employees, and sleeping with the castaways. I get maybe 3 or 4 hours sleep a night. I'm sick and tired of it. The choice is his. And if he does not de-source, CBS will lead a coalition to de-source him."

TDT said on Wednesday its planned declaration would cover wiretap and cracking technologies, but stressed again it had no spoilers of mass destruction and that Moonves was a "bad man" bent on world hegemeny."

Essence

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanx Hermione!

Webkitty

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Hermione! I had to log off right after my last post to make a phone call, and just got back.

....waves at Essence.....

I agree about being 0% sure of what he was trying to say, whats it all mean? lol!

Car54

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It just means there are no real spoilers to talk about.

Personally I am hoping neither Clay or Jake go tonight, just to keep the suspense going. Once one of them go we will know it could be true.

Hermione69

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, so you aren't buying into the TDT spoiler at all? I don't know what to think, but the vast majority of people at Sux and elsewhere seem to be buying it. I figure they know more than I do on who and what to believe because I've only been on the boards since over halfway through S4.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 03:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm! Did you see the post at Sux that makes a case for Ghandia being the source of the TDT spoiler?
The poster got blown out of the water, but I think Ghandia just might be enough of a nutcase for it to be her. Either that, or one of the camera crew went over to the dark side

There were reports that they came back from this shoot in low spirits, makes me want to go ummmmmmm. There is probably nothing to any of this, but we can have fun trying to figure it out

I would be a little nervous if I was TDT posting this spoiler IF I knew 100% it was true. I would imagine the Sauron-like evil eye of MB turning my way!

Hermione69

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, I saw that and I totally agree with you that it could have been Ghandia. I thought they were awfully mean to the person that suggested it! That's why I only read, and don't post there! They scare me, LOL!

I do wonder how much the LL residents know. Isn't the jury kept secluded from LL? Would LL even be in the know of how it plays out from the jury on? Of course she could have leaked it just to be spiteful whether she knows anything or not.

I also think it would be HILARIOUS if it was misinformation leaked by someone on MB's crew just to remind the spoiling community of who's the boss. I would get such a kick out of that, even though the idea of Clay winning is growing on me.

(Love your Sauron reference! I know you are ready for The Two Towers!)

Car54

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione, you will find that I am one of the most interested, but least passionate Survivor people around. I just like to see what everyone thinks, but I almost NEVER pick a fave...or totally buy into ANY theory. I will argue almost any side...just for fun.

It is all about the spec...and I am frankly hoping that TDT was used by someone to inject SOME sense of surprise and suspense into this really really boring series. I hope someone realized that the boards were DEAD with nothing interesting to talk about and they targetted him and sent him the info. Now THAT would be cool.

Probably not tho.

Can't get too invested...I have a full time job!:)

Car54

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If this is like other versions, the Loser Lodge people know the endgame. They have always had a day or so after the final TC before everyone flies home...plus there is usually a wrap party for the entire cast and crew. Everyone from Africa pretty much knew the F2 at least.

Meggieprice

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What about the spoiler saying Penny and Clay got close? He was at her wedding. They were not together long enough before she was booted...my gut keeps saying he goes tonight.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Meggie, Penny was reported to have invited all the Survivors to her wedding. Clay was one of the few who choose to attend. He seems like the type who probably accepts most invitations that come his way. He likes a party.

Herm, oh yea, that evil eye is on by brain, baby!! lol! (at least I know my hero lives to save the day and become King, sigh)

Anyway, the only thing that bothers me about this spoiler is that TDT must have had some solid proof before they posted it. They have their on-line reputation at stake, so I tend to believe it.
I guess an upper level MB staffer could have access to pics or other "supposed" proof put together to fool TDT, but I really can't see MB targeting them like that. That idea to me, at least, is more far fetched than someone leaking the final 2 for revenge or money.

So far, MB has pretty much been able to keep the lid on things, but the human animal being what it is, it seems just a matter of time until someone decides its worth the risk, for whatever the reason.

Hermione69

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 04:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She did invite all the Survivors? Even Shii Ann? Penny never struck me as the type that would be so gracious, as Elisabeth from S2 was. She always seemed like the kind that would pick and choose... "well, I liked this person so I will invite him/her, but that person did nothing for me so I won't invite him/her." Oh well. I was kinda clinging to the wedding thing as a possibility that maybe there WILL be a surprise left in store for us.

Webkitty

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, I think she said she did in one of her chats. I can't remember where I read it, I didn't read the actually chat, but some comments about it.

Hermione69

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I am really interested in how it plays out with Helen gunning for Clay, and Brian acting so ambiguous about his loyalties. For this to work, Clay almost has to win immunity next week because I'm sure Helen can get Jan and Ted to vote against him even if Brian stays loyal.