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Fruitbat

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought not coming out of the water was a very strong statement and that is what I saw. They seemed impatient and irritated with her too. Maybe those were words were too strong.

I also noticed that Jan hugged Helen during the auction and Helens lack of response and body language was negative. I could be wrong but I get the feeling that she is irritating them.

I don't like Jan and true, I could be seeing something that is not there.

Jane_Bond

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I have some insight into Robb and Clay and Erin - feel free to comment back on this:

Clay suffers from a little man complex and runs around throwing tantrums and acting put out. He is a bad sport and extremely self-centred.

Robb is actually secretly/sub-conciously attracted to Shi but knows that she is out of his league so his attraction becomes twisted into irritation so that he can avoid feeling hurt by her rejection.

Erin wants Robb so she takes on his irritation with Shi, but she also feels jealous of Shi's intelligence and power over Robb and so she takes all oppourtunities to shit-talk her.

Hermione69

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she did irritate them with the money. And she would definitely have been the one to go if they had lost the IC. But you know how in BB, the houseguests would start picking on whoever they were going to vote out and it was their way of rationalizing their decision? I wondered if that might be part of what was going on here.... they knew if they lost the next IC, then Jan would go so they were already withdrawing from her to an extent.

I just think if she was THAT bad, CG wouldn't have the cohesion that they have. They did a remarkable job coming back together after the Ghandia situation. I didn't notice that about Helen's body language, but I wasn't looking. Body language is very revealing so that was perceptive of you to catch that. I did notice that her and Jan seemed to sit off a bit to the side, apart from the men, and Helen, in fact, was farther from them than Jan was. I noticed because Helen is the one that voted with the men at the last TC and I would have thought she would be sitting closer to them. It's not like she could be trying to fool Jan as it is obvious that Helen did withdraw from the women to vote off Ghandia. Anyway, where they chose to sit could be nothing or everything, but it did indicate to me that the Jan and Helen are not totally alienated from each other.

Also, if they win the next IC, I bet Jan stays around a bit because the merge will come next and she is not a threat to win the individual immunity challenges. Speaking of which, if they go into the merge with 5 and 5 and the tribes vote as a bloc, I wonder how the tiebreaker will go?

Csnog

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that they are distancing themselves from Jan as she would have been the one voted out.

Better to crab about someone than be nice if you going to vote them off. Jan did not say anything about the boat being gone and she does the least complaining that we are allowed to see. If they are out looking for food it was not necessary to come running just for tree mail.

Ken has obviously become the tribe leader in the Suckies tribe.

Robb does not eat meat, you can bet that if Ken was eating the heart he would not have said anything and Shii Ann is the only person he can pick on. He has now voted for her twice with no knowledge of the other hut sleepers alliance.One other thing, Do we see them eating with knives and forks? Come on Robb get real!

My guess is that Robb now has a "thought" that there is an alliance and he is not included.

Grooch

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't mind Jan before last night's episode and I couldn't understand why some people didn't like her. But after last night, she needs to go. (And I had wanted Clay gone first.)

She was getting on my nerves really bad. She was even annoying me with the money. I wanted the note read.

I don't know why she was so excited about it. The only use of it, on the island, that I could think of, was to use it for toilet paper.

I am getting the impression that Jan is not to bright and is oblivious to everything around her, so she doesn't realize that she is annoying others. How many times did they have to tellher to read the note? She may have carried on much longer than what was shown. And she was completely oblivious when she and Helen went to get water and Helen was pissed at her because Jan was relaxing in the water while Helen was looking for the hole.

Hermione69

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Again, we all totally come at this from different angles. I guess this is what makes it so fascinating. I agree that Jan could have carried on even longer than shown, and that would have been totally annoying, but by the same token, don't you think there may have been footage there that wasn't shown about why she stayed with the boat while Helen went to look for the water? Maybe to keep it from floating away? I felt right away that there was something unsaid about that and the editors were trying to make Jan look worse to create suspense. Could have been the same thing going on last night. Who else would they have tried to make us think might go on CG? There were really no other candidates. The men would never have turned on Clay just yet so that wouldn't have been believable.

Jane Bond, you may have some good observations. I thought from Day 1 that Robb's animosity towards Shii Ann was because she didn't respond to his charms the way many women probably do. (Seriously folks! I bet many women his age love him! He is still at the age where the bad boy persona is appealing.) From there it just got worse. That is sheer speculation, but who knows? I don't know about Erin... I thought, if anyone, she had her eye on Ken. It will be fun to watch this play out.

Fruitbat

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan did have to stay with the boat. It was too heavy for them to drag far enough up on the beach. They actually said that.

Editing made it look like Helen was irritated. She may have been irritated at the situation but she also knew it had to be.

Csnog

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I had the impression that Helen told Jan to stay with the boat which it just what she did.

It is clear that Helen is a type A person and Jan is more mellow.

I'm sure if Helen had needed Jan for the water she would have told her, after all Helen did not take the map and Jan didn't yell at her for forgetting it.

Hermione69

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know, I am deaf so I do miss a lot when it comes to nuances in people's voices and all. I also miss sometimes what is said, even with the caption on. If I get sidetracked by something else, then boom, it's gone. You guys are probably much better at picking up on the undertones than I am. It's fun to have this forum to discuss things! :)

Fruitbat

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, ahhhhhhhhh. You may miss some looks as you read and some words when you look!

Hermione69

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly!

Spunky

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I found the episode quite lame indeed!!
We were expecting all sorts of surprises, instead it turned out to be the same boring menu. Robb was fine soon after, and the so awaited team switch never happened. The only cute thing that happened was the monkey stealing the boat... or did I get that wrong...
I think they're running out of ideas...

Fruitbat

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, so you must have missed Jan calling everyone flaming jerks and giving them the finger.

Hermione69

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat! YOU ARE BAD!!!

Spunky, I agree.... after such a big build-up, even more than normal, what a fizzle!!

Chiparock

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione, while I'm not deaf, I had trouble last night hearing some of what was said. I turned on the captioning, but found it annoying so I chose to just listen and watch the action. I figured if I missed something important, you folks here would be talking about it.

The thought just occurred to me: would it help to wear headphones? Some LFP's on BB mentioned using them, so it might work for Survivor. I'll try it next week.

[I remember reading, a long time ago, that only 70% of an electronic sound transmission can be heard intelligibly. I wonder if there's any truth to that.]

Fruitbat

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Herm.

Kits

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I always tape it. then go back with the sound off to catch what is said.

Grooch

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat! ROFLMAO!

Ark

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also got the impression that one of the two had to stay with the boat. That was the first water trip since the whole tribe had gone to find it. Jan went to search for the source first but couldn't find it, so went back and told Helen that since she was one of the original ones to find it, she needed to go look for it. While Helen was gone, Jan was floating in the water and couldn't hear if Jan called to her because water was in her ears.

Grooch

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, ok, I got it. :)

Cricket

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 05:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I too didn't understand the Erin/Rob conversation about Shiann and utensils..umm..duh...you're on an island without the comforts of home guys. God, Jane, I'd like to be there to watch you take care of Rob, lol! Now THAT would be a show. Hey, that could be a twist; have a contest and let the winner go to the Island and tell off their least favorite Survivor. Someone mentioned that Robb is probably popular with the young girls. That's because young girls have no expectations these days. They think the biggest losers are okay. Very sad.

Clay really got on my nerves last night. He is such a jerk and was really going overboard badmouthing Jan. I sure hope he goes next.

I really thought Ken was nice when he talked to Shi. I really like him and hope the youngsters don't vote him off like previous Survivors have voted off older people.

I guess I wasn't paying attention previously. Is there an alliance in the Sook tribe? It's refreshing to see people vote independently, unlike BB3 where everyone was forced to vote one way. That was too boring and you knew who was going. It certainly wasn't democratic and didn't always seem fair. I like not knowing for sure who's going.

Lastly, ROFL @ Gidget regarding the Zoloft post. Too funny. I thought they were overly calm also. Ted was so intent on getting Brian to commit to their alliance, he wasn't really paying attention to the rope when he was securing it. What I didn't understand is why they didn't go after the boat right away. The longer they wait, won't it drift farther away?

Pamy

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Cricket, I wanted to slap Clay last nite! Watching Ken with Shi ann just made me like him more

Ark

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are you two talking about Jake's talk with Shi Ann? Because I don't remember Ken talking to her. If you did indeed mean Ken, can you refresh my memory as to what it was about?

Csnog

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes it was Jake who comforted Shii Ann and told her not to worry.

Jan was excited about the money because she knew it meant an auction for food as it has been on another survivor.

Catfat

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember Jake with Shi Ann, they seemed to genuinely like and appreciate each other. Can this be another Pappy & Neleh friendship? I would like to see these two stay around for awhile.

Shortnsweet

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Back to the Audition Tapes (I do not have a one track mind!) - Jake said he would take women with him to the end. I think he just gets along better with most women (maybe not Steph).

In fact, Jake might be the one pulling the strings on who gets eliminated. Maybe he is the one deciding to throw the competitions to get rid of people who do not defer to him. Maybe he is the Lex of S5!

Cricket

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops, sorry Ark; yes, it was Jake I was talking about. Sorry Pamy for saying the wrong name, but you knew who I was talking about, lol!

Catfat, exactly what I was thinking when I watched Jake and Shiann. It reminded me of the Pappy and Neleh friendship. You know, these older men always seem to 'show up' the younger men on these shows because they have lived longer and have acquired a sense of caring for others more than just themselves. It's called maturity and Robb definitely doesn't have it.

Shornsweet, I don't think Jake is like Lex. He is watching out for some of the women and probably just tolerates some of the guys as he needs them for competitions. I agree with you that he may be behind who gets elimated. I think perhaps he has the respect of most of the tribe. For right now, I'm glad for that, because he does seem to know the members of his tribe and looked beyond the badmouthing of Rob and Erin regarding Shiann.