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Grooch

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, I don't think Ted mispoke. But purposely lying, is another story, and I doubt he would.

But say if what Ted said was true, they could have broken the camp down with 3 people still there, instead of 2.

What did the spoiler say about someone seeing 3 people left? The shaggy blond, the short guy and a girl?

Maybe they were leaving camp for good, togther.

Webkitty

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The spoiler I am thinking of was for the final 4.

They said it was Ted, a shaggy haired man, and older woman and a blonde younger girl. This was disproved as a hoax long ago.

Your right Grooch, they could have broken down the camp with 3 left, this is getting more confusing by the hour. Ack.

Maybe this is why the crew was reported to have left unhappy, a totally new twist that came out of nowhere.
I dismissed the specualtion that the TDT spoiler was fed to them by MB himself (or a top aid) but now I'm wondering.....if the show ends with the final three, and the rest of it plays out on the post show, maybe he did. Things that make me go hmmmmmmm.

Grooch

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, whatever the truth is, at least its fun to have something new to speculate about. :)

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kitty, I read that too. I still think Helen's opinion would pack a whallop on the jury...she is probably

They all get their water Jugs I think. Ted took his when he got booted last week. I think she said you are not supposed to see that because the survivors who are still on the show are not supposed to have ANY media contact.
The bowl may mean something but they take their luggage to TC every week, she could have put one in her bag when she got booted.

The obvious interpretation is she was one of the F2 who break up camp. God knows if it is her and Clay, she will be doing all the work!

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am hoping that there is just no way that Brian would be portrayed as such a sure thing if he actually wins. Just can't imagine MB handling him that way. Boy I hope so.

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I am hoping that there is just no way that Brian would be portrayed as such a sure thing if he actually wins."

Car, I'm with you on this. I just can't imagine. I remember the week that Penny got booted. Inititally everyone thought it would be Jake. I changed my pick from Jake to Penny before the spoiler boards did because of the one clip of Jake saying "It ain't over til the fat lady sings but I think I hear her warming up." They kept showing that and I thought, "Would they really give him to us like that?" The more I thought about it, the more I didn't think they would and sure enough Penny was the next to go. I feel the same about Brian. He's being given to us on a silver platter. No way would MB do that with the winner.

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well let's hope not for a lot of reasons. The one that will be the least fun is if the F2 spoiler is true and he and Clay make it and Clay wins it. Frankly at this point, I would way rather see Clay win that Brian. It would be a triumph over the UTR, all of the conventional wisdom of how you play the game...he is kind of a jerk...made no pretence of being anything but what he is, and if he wins, it brings a new dimension to the game that could inspire people to do more than just "get along and don't dominate". Kinda the Boston Rob approach..but a winner!

For good ol disposable Granny to pull it out of her *ss would just be total fun.

I am an optimist.

Tabbyking

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
now, who really believes that container is 'sealed' until the live show and that MB and others didn't sneak a peek? the only way MB could not know who wins and, therefore, not have it purposely edited to show this person a lot or not at all as we come to the end, is if they really left the container sealed until this thursday. plus, they probably have a camera on the paper as voters write on it, so they can just check their film...and still be 'honest' about not opening the jar!

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last season MB showed Rosie a couple of days before the show, and she purposely came on her show and said she knew and she was rooting for Kathy...just to misdirect.

Tabby, I haven't read how this one was done, but on Marquesas, the crew said the only ones allowed to see what happened at TC were Jeff, MB and MB's family who were there to watch. Supposedly there was just a skeleton camera crew on site for it. I haven't seen any info at all about this one..whether they filmed it, or it will be a fake out like Africa or what.

Grooch

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<live vote...live vote...live vote...>

Queenfish

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well, I have a feeling that Jan is a spitfire in disquise and maybe, just maybe, she can pull this whole thing off. I have wanted Helen to win for a couple of weeks but am changing my mind to Jan. I think what we have seen of her so far, which hasn't been much, is just a play by MB or part of her strategy. I think she is a firecracker in waiting and If that is true, I can't wait until that firecracker is lit. I hope she blows them all out of the water.

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<not gonna happen> <not gonna happen> <not gonna happen>
Queenfish, if you read any of the articles, Jan has had a really interesting life...she is not just some little meek elementary school teacher. She has really done a lot of things that would say she is pretty tough.

Fanny

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wasn't she personal assistant to Martina Navritalova for a while? Thought I saw that somewhere.

Csnog

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We know several things about Jan.

She refused to vote Ted out during Ghandi gate.

She said that Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. (refering to Brian keeping Clay)

She did NOT make a deal with Helen to oust Clay.

This last one means she is more loyal to Brian than Helen and may be her downfall.

If what Ted has said is true, that Jan is a fantastic player she may win IC and go to final 3.

In final 3 women have done better at holding onto that pole.

Fanny

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Women have done better at holding onto that pole"

So very true, Csnog, so very true.

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That is true, but supposedly all the challenges are "different" this time.

Maybe you have to hold a puzzle, or your family has to come hold the pole for you. (Brian is gonna lose in that case!)

All Jan has to do is beat Helen for F3, and then it is all about the final challenge.

Historically tho, the person who wins that challege gets control over who they go to F2 with, but the winner of that challenge does not win (except the last time).

Csnog

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Fanny!!!

My face is several shades of red.

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"...but the winner of that challenge does not win (except the last time)."

Actually that has been true for all seasons and last time was no exception. Neleh won the F3 challenge last season and took Vee. Neleh lost Survivor. What was different about last season is that in the previous three Survivors, the person they choose not to take had always voted for the other person. That was different last season, as Neleh took Vee over Kathy, but Kathy still voted for Neleh.

There was a whole thread on this in Sux, that's the only reason I know! :)

Seamonkey

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to me guys learn to hold onto their poles at a pretty young age g

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right, Hermione...I was arguing with myself about Vee/Neleh, and I talked myself into Vee! (Because she took her hand OFF the pole on purpose)

{That is why they lose the challenge, Seamonkey!)

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you still think there will be a pole challenge? Spoilers are leaning heavily towards a Fallen Comrades type thingy for F4 and that Indiana Jones challenge for F3.

Car54

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know...might be some other trial of endurance as opposed to speed or strength.

That pic is leading people to think Jan wins, but Ted said she was very weak (sure looked that way last week), and she may just be thrilled to get over a hurdle or something.

Supposedly all the challenges are changed...but there was still a nasty food challenge, they just put a twist on it. I am trying really hard not to have any expectations.
I think I am the only person around who is not bored or disappointed. I have enjoyed every show...there is less to speculate about this season, but I have still been pretty entertained. I think no matter who of the final four wins, I will be ok with it, they all played well.

Hermione69

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are a breath of fresh air, Car!

Grooch

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<might be true, but I can dream...might be true, but I can dream...might be true, but I can dream...>

Djgirl5235

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 04:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car I'm with you - I haven't been exactly bored this season, and I may be the only one who's mouth dropped to the floor when MB pulled the not-a-merge stunt on Hallowe'en. I too am trying very hard not to have any expectations and cannot wait for the show tomorrow night! I too have been pretty entertained by the show this season, no, not as much to speculate on, and the only thing that really bothered me was the pagonging, but other than that I've been pretty happy with this season...