Archive through October 08, 2002
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Archive through October 08, 2002
Weenerlobo | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 12:25 pm     Max - you said it and you said it well and I agree with everything; I was yelling at the television too. The only difference is that I was only yelling one word, again and again and again and that word does, indeed, rhyme with witch. The way Ghandia handled the situation was duplicitous, self-serving and immature. I don't think Ted is a saint, but he certainly didn't accuse Ghandia of being a s*ut, which other men would have done. Bleck, I hope they don't drag out this situation too long. |
Mssilhouette | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 01:15 pm     I made a post in Ted's thread already about this matter. Everyone has pretty much said what I was thinking. Max hitting it dead on. The only thing I'm gonna bring up is that fact that when Ted was talking to G in front of the group and defending himself even with G being piss and digging in the dirt. He never ONCE mentioned to the group about G's previous rape, and that discussion was heated and could have easily slipped out. Outside of everything this showed me the man's integrity. Sadly I do think that this one incident has doomed both of them to be booted soon. The way G is carrying on Ted might be the first to go, I hope not though. And you know this matter is going to be played upon because it's the only drama in the tribe. |
Wiseolowl | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 01:23 pm     You know the fun thing about this game is that in a week Ghandia is probably going to be gone and six weeks from now we are all going to be seaching back to past posts to try and recall who said what. She is history folks - and a sidenote at that - suggest we start focusing on some of the darkhorses who are playing alot better and whom CBS will be focusing on in the weeks to come |
Karuuna | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 01:45 pm     well, heck, wise feathered one... if she's going to be gone soon, all the more reason to obsess about her now.  |
Betty | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 02:42 pm     Max, I'm glad someone else caught that exchange between Helen and Brian. However, I don't place any blame on Helen for not having her guy-speak detector on. That's total hogwash. Brian said Ted, "denied everything" and "nothing happened". It was BRIAN who failed to related his entire discussion with Ted by not telling Helen that Ted admited something had indeed happened and that he had already rectified it with Ghandia. It was BRIAN who is at fault here, but for some reason folks are quick to blame Helen. I'm wondering if Brian saw this as something to turn to his advantage. I can see him thinking this would turn to spotlight onto someone else and he could ride under the radar a few more weeks. |
Wiseolowl | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 03:47 pm     Oh Karuuna - when somebody calls me feathered one , my quills start vibrating and I get this urge to migrate. |
Karuuna | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 03:57 pm     hahaha, Owlish one... don't let me ruffle your feathers.  |
Chance | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 04:52 pm     i think that its interesting that the story the Enquirer printed was substantiated by last nights show. Except for the aftermath and Gs hubbys reaction which we can't know till later. |
Cricket | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 05:54 pm     I found your first two posts very Wise indeed Olowl and then you said you were a man and I was doubly impressed, lol! As soon as Helen opened her mouth and misstated the 'facts' as she heard them or formed her own opinion of the situation as it related to Ted's discussion with the other men, she started a huge fight. I don't particularly like her and felt she was trying to start trouble. What I don't understand is why the women don't sleep with each other and the men with each other, or everyone sleep alone. Ghandia had to know she was playing with fire to sleep in the same bed/bag with him. At first Ghadia and Ted handled it like two mature adults, but I don't think it's in Ghandia's nature to let things die down. I've had my eye on her as a 'hot spot' from the beginning. I can't say for sure if Ted didn't know what he was doing but I do applaud him for bringing everything in the open after Helen went back to Ghandia. I'm sure he didn't want everyone to know what happened, but it seemed Ghandia did and I know it may have upset her, but she seemed to be using it. No one told her to sleep in the same bag and she could have handled it more maturely. I haven't read at the other boards re the Enquirer article and don't know if the person posing as Ghandia was her, but maybe she sold this story to Enquirer because she was angry at Survivor or wanted the money. The fact that she is fighting with her husband about it now seems like she cannot get past it and doesn't want to own up to any wrongdoing on her part. Perhaps if it had ended with her and Ted's discussion and she came home and told her husband that it was a mistake to sleep that close to a man and boy, she'd never do that again, then her husband might not have been upset. However, with her continual insistence that it was all Ted, it seems she protests too much. I think if not this (and being a woman I definitely am NOT insensitive to a woman being raped or molested) then Ghandia would have eventually blown up about some other thing and got herself booted. That's just her personality. I thought I had her wrong when she and Ted first discussed the issue like two adults and seemed to be okay, but then she went to the women, which was understandable, but was only too eager to listen to Helen and go off the deep end without checking the facts. Hi Earthmother...nice to see you at Survivor. |
Mygetaway | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:56 pm     POLL at CBS Main Page Survivor CBS Did Ghandia blow her incident out of proportion? Yes 89.82% No 3.93% Maybe 6.25% Total Votes: 46056 I wasn't going to respond, but I agree with Max and a lot of the others. I think this whole thing was handled poorly. |
Sabbatia | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 08:37 pm     I most definately agree with Max. I was watching getting angry also. I certainly see Brian in a whole new light now. He isn't the shallow good looking used car salesman that I thought he was. He is actually pretty mature and levelheaded. Ghandia and Ted could have had the whole issue resolved after their talk by simply not sleeping by each other. THis whole blow up should have never happened. There was one little thing that caught me off gaurd though. For those of you who taped, look at the expression on her face when he was saying that he loved his wife and family so much. THAT is when her face fell and she looked so disappointed. Was this whole thing her way of letting everyone think that he thinks she's hot?Was she actually flattered by the attention, but knew it shouldn't be happening so she decided to make an issue out of it to stop it? Okay, so I'm speculating here. But, being a woman who has fought her weight for many years....and being a married woman....I know how a little attention from someone who isn't your spouse can be an ego boost. Just my two cents. I could be, and probably am wrong. She just reminds me a lot of someone I know that embellishes every story and has to be the center of attention....and doesn't care if it's good or bad, as long as it's attention. |
Max | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 09:10 pm     Quote:Was this whole thing her way of letting everyone think that he thinks she's hot?
I wouldn't be surprised if that's at least partially true. Remember last week's episode, she joked around about flashing her cleavage and/or breasts at the other team to distract the men. It's nice to see a womanw with some extra padding on ANY show and it's a good thing to have self-esteem and like how you look no matter what others think, but it's another to expect that everyone else thinks you're as hot as you think you are. Anyway, thanks for all the agreement with what I wrote, folks! I'm pleasantly surprised. (I guess I was a little gun-shy given some of the stuff that went on in the BB3 threads. ) |
Knightpatti | Friday, October 04, 2002 - 09:24 pm     In my younger days, I have had men completely shock me by trying to kiss me that I would never have expected it from. After the incident, I stayed away from them or I was never alone with them anywhere. I never encouraged their actions, but I am a nice person period. So if the situation happened to me as it did for Ghandia, I would be distancing myself away from Ted. I think it took courage on her part to talk to Ted as she did and she received his apology. I could never have hugged him and kissed him after that. THe whole thing would make me feel creepy and maybe she did feel awful (she said she felt used). First of all, I would not be cuddling with another man. THey were both wrong since they are both married. I do not believe we have seen any other married people cuddling or spooning on any of the Survivors. Are they not there to win alot of money? How are their spouses feeling after this show? How are they facing their friends and family on last Friday? Ghandi made the whole situation a very unpleasant one for her tribe and the people at home that they are close to. |
Riviere | Saturday, October 05, 2002 - 12:02 am     Totally agree with Max's eloquent opinion! The nonsense between Ted & Ghandia never should have happened and as married adults where did they think cuddles and hugging and sleeping next to each other would lead? Watching the show the 1st thing I thought was, "that little instigator!". I haven't trusted Ghandia since she voted Helen week 2, then she runs to Helen with a story of Ted all but harassing her sexually? Sounds like her ego trip got out of hand! Blowing this crap out of proportion 1.made her seem innocent to her husband 2.made Ted sound like a jerk they should evict but mostly 3.showed me what a deceiver and self important drama queen she can be. It's too bad this has hurt the tribal bond, they were my fave tribe from the start, too. I only wished Jan had chosen the cop and Shi instead of Ghandia and Ted but I think Sook Jai has enough troubles without 2 married people and their he said-she said tension. I can also see this as a ploy of Ghandia to boot someone who is a stronger more likeable player than she is. Why else blab it to the women when the matter was handled privately with apologies seemingly accepted and the tribe wouldn't know a thing before the game ended if neither Ghandia nor Ted mentioned it? It almost seemed like Ghandia had rehearsed it and the more shocked the women looked the more indignant Ghandia sounded. This stuff is getting more like 'Beach Blanket Big Brother' every week! As a married woman I'm very disappointed in Ghandia's behaviour. Rates right down there with the Jerri & Kel beef jerky debacle that got S2 off to a lame start.. |
Kathat | Saturday, October 05, 2002 - 12:33 am     I think Ghandia was making such a big deal of the whole "event" because she was mad at herself for putting herself in such a compromising and inappropriate position and she was trying to cover her butt for when her husband actually sees this. Shame on her for doing that for trying to make it seem like he attacked her and she is the innocent one. |
Cas | Monday, October 07, 2002 - 03:40 pm     I just saw this episode tonight and what a crock of shit. A bunch of "he said she said", nothing even close to a crime to warrant all this attention. At worst Ted mistook Ghandias physical affection as something other then plutonic and that is a problem for him and his wife to sort out, none of my business and it´s sickening to me to see how Ghandia blew this up for whatever reasons. Either she feels guilt and shame(because up until some point she was liking sleeping in his arms) and is trying to do some damage control for the viewers back home(I´d like to know more of the time frame of events, that interview with her seems to take place before she brings it to Ted and the others. Did production notice something and ask her about it? Did that freak her out realising what dh might think?) OR she decided to use it to take attention off herself, especially from Helen who should know it was Ghandia who voted against her last TC. I´d prefer to think she just feels guilty things got carried away and is doing some damage control(that´s more forgivable) then to think she maliciously used this for gain in the game(that´s just low and dirty). Either way what happened between them doesn´t seem anything more then a real big mistake for two married people to make. Two married people who equally put themself in an awkward situation. Oh well Ted went up in my personal opinion poll and at this point I´d like to see Ghandia´s flame estinguished next TC. I´d be a lot more sympathetic if Ted rubbed up against her while they were collecting water or something but for gods sake, they were spooning, she had her arm over his. Whether he knew it was her or not I just have a hard time crucifying the man for getting an erection. I think Helen was ready to play along to take her head off the block. I think she took it to Brian for strategic reasons(he´s the more likely of the three men to vote with the women, otherwise it´s a possible tie. It´d be pure genious though if Helen thought Ghandia was embellishing and set it up so the whole group confrontation would take place. I´d like her just a little bit if she were that evil). And Brian, nothing so far to not like about him, but I don´t get why he said Ted said nothing happened because he didn´t. I´ll just assume Brian thought that the best way to tell Helen they were making a mountain out of a molehill. Clay doesn´t like Ghandia from what I can see and we don´t really hear much from Jan, just the implication she is with the women. The way it´s set up now Ghandia has at least three votes against her and I´ll bet at least one of the women join the guys to strengthen her position in the tribe. I think Ghandias hysterics backfired and she is the next one out. Good riddance. |
Puttergirl | Monday, October 07, 2002 - 04:13 pm     Ditto!!!! |
Rissa | Monday, October 07, 2002 - 05:14 pm     Here, here Cas!! I think Brian told Helen "nothing" because he meant that he had spoken to Ted and it WAS nothing. Not as in nothing happened, but that it was nothing important, nothing to discuss further, nothing the tribe needed to be concerned over. He said afterwards (to the camaras) that he didn't know Helen was going to leap and bound over to Ghandia to repeat his words verbatim. |
Pirate | Monday, October 07, 2002 - 09:34 pm     Most of you have expressed my thoughts about the situation. I am disappointed in the women that they would just assume that Ghandia was telling the whole truth and believed everything she said and were ready to vote out Ted before hearing the other side of the story. Shame on them! My friends and I sat there in disbelief that Ghandia even brought it up again. If someone apologizes and you accept that apology than that should be the end of it. You go your separate ways and don't touch each other or be alone again. Ghandia is a mean spiteful woman who cannot be trusted. If she'll tell stuff about Ted the way she did, no telling what deceitful acts she's capable of. Ghandia needs to be voted out next chance they get. |
Kmjm | Monday, October 07, 2002 - 09:53 pm     Wow, poor Ghandia- to be blamed and criticized as harshly as she has been here. I agree she didn't handle herself well. She clearly has many unresolved issues about her past rape that played into this. Ted obviously tried it on, and his assertion that he was half-awake was so much bull. Her comment that she has been told that she was to blame for her past rape certainly holds true here. Ted's off the hook, and most of the posters here seem to think anything he might have done is totally her fault! |
Fruitbat | Monday, October 07, 2002 - 10:19 pm     They were both responsible for questionable behavior. We all make mistakes. It is human nature. How we handle that is where integrity comes into play. Ted did pretty well from where I sit. |
Catfat | Monday, October 07, 2002 - 11:08 pm     KMJM I get the feeling from most of the posters that they believe Ted and Ghandia were equally at fault in regard to the spooning, groping or whatever went on. After all, neither moved away, did they? The biggest problem most of us have is that Ghandia made such a huge deal out of it, her ridiculous screaming fits, throwing rocks, & trying to divide the tribe, which it seems she may have succeeded in doing, according to the preview for this week's show. |
Essence | Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 07:49 am     I don't have problems with Ghandia venting her frustrations out the way she did. My problem with her deals with the way she spread the information. When she went to Ted to discuss the issue, and ACCEPTED his APOLOGY that is where it should have ended. But did it? NO!!! Ghandia took this opportunity to slam Ted. Was Ted just as much to blame as Ghandia? H*ll yes he was, but I agree with others that the way he handled it makes him the better person. I don't think anyone is letting Ted off the hook. I just think a grown woman should handle her business more approriately than in a 'he said, she said' fashion. This isn't highschool. |
Beegee | Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 08:16 am     This is getting to be a long thread, so if this was emphasized before in other posts but I missed it I apologize. In her "confessional," Ghandia said that the relaying of events to Helen and Jan was accurate, and that the only part she "may have left out" was that Ted apologized. What!?!?!? The fact that he apologized is a very important part of the "incident," yet she conveniently didn't mention it? The fact that she brought it up in the confessional shows she knows it's important, even though her comment was made to make it seem it is not. She let Helen and Jan believe that Ted had groped her, she had confronted him, and he was totally without remorse. At that point I changed my previously overall positive impression of Ghandia into a negative one. Being married people both Ted and Ghandia played with fire, but only Ghandia used the incident as an opportunity to malign another's character. |
Kmjm | Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 09:14 am     IMHO, Ted was at fault for stepping into inappropriate territory, not Ghandia. He was an <> to come on to her the way he did. What was he thinking of? He's there to play a game, and making a pass at another player- a married woman at that- is just stupid. I agree that Ghandia did not handle it well. But Ted left himself wide open when he pulled such a dumb move. What sucks is that she will likely end up taking the fall for his actions, both in the game and in real life. 007 |
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