Archive through November 21, 2002
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Archive through November 21, 2002
Hermione69 | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:29 am     That was the challenge when they got to chop down strands of each others coconuts in S4. The Survivors were posed trivia questions and if they got one right, they got to chop down a strand of their opponents coconuts. The last one with a strand of coconuts left won immunity (Tammy). To start with, I think each had three strands. The Rotu 4 (John, Zoe, Robert and Tammy) had sworn to Neleh and Pappy that they were still best pals and to stay with them and vote out the others. Neleh and Pappy were going to because Pappy did not want to align with Sean. To make a long story short, the Rotu 4 got carried away in the challenge and revealed precisely who would be voted off in what order by the order in which the gleefully hacked down the others coconuts. Pappy and Neleh (I'm not sure if Kathy was ever involved in this "alliance" with the Rotu 4) realized that the Rotu 4 would get rid of Sean, Vee, Kathy and then come after Pappy and Neleh and that they (Pappy and Neleh) would be better off creating a new alliance with Kathy, Sean and Vee and picking off the Rotu and that is exactly what happened. The Rotu 4 were quite bitter about it. So it wasn't really a "scandal" but it sure was an eye-opener to the Survivors low on the totem pole, and a lot of people hope this will do the same thing and force some realliances. It was definitely one of the best ever moments in Survivor! |
Kmjm | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:37 am     I've suspected for some time now that the strongest alliance is actually Helen and Brian. It can't be Brian and Ted or Clay, that's too obvious. I don't think that Jan is playing the game at all- she's just been lucky. Remember when Helen decided to abandon the women's alliance- she said she did it so that she would have a shot at winning. She's pretty sensible- why did she think that voting with the men would do that for her? I think it's because she and Brian have a plan. I would expect that either Ted or Clay- probably Ted- get some inkling of this in the next episode. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:51 am     You raised some good points, Kmjm. Hmmm. Never even thought about Helen and Brian. Thought about Helen and Clay, and Jan and Ted, but never thought about Helen and Brian. Maybe they keep showing us Brian's "sexist" comments to mislead us because he actually has an alliance with a woman and they showed Helen's comments about Brian not needing the money to further mislead us. Huh. I like this idea. It makes sense. |
Webkitty | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 12:17 pm     Kmjm, I agree with everything you said. Brian and Helen are the secret alliance. Jan has been lucky, she is not playing the game at all. Bigger fish to fry. When Helen decided to join the guys to vote off Ghandia instead of Clay, something happened there. This would be a good time to review all past tapes, I should have done it the other day when it was raining. |
Car54 | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:21 pm     From Survivor Fever:
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Catfat | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:58 pm     Thanks, Hermione. It's all coming back now, I can see the light again. |
Alaginger | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 06:04 pm     I also think that Helen and Brian are in a secret alliance. I also think that Helen may be the winner of the RC this week, and takes Penny with her for the elephant ride and meal, to throw the others off the track of any alliance she may have. This would probably make Jan miffed. And then I think this clinches the Penny being voted out this week. Of course, this is just a guess but I thought it was worth mentioning |
Curlyq | Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 11:09 pm     I think Helen thinks she and Brian have a secret alliance, but so does Clay and so does Ted. What I wonder is if Brian has decided on any one of them in his mind or if he's just going to wait and see which way the wind blows. I'd sure love to know what he's doing that's making everyone want to take him to the end. Helen is at a disadvantage here because she hasn't been part of their little boys' club. After all the bonding these 3 guys have been doing, I think if Brian votes out either Clay or Ted before Helen he's going to have a lot of explaining to do (especially if the remaining guy wins immunity in the next round). |
Kmjm | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:31 am     I've been bothered by the fact that a very obviously intelligent and savvy contestant like Helen has not been revealed as being part of any alliance. This season is soooo dull and the complexities of alliances have been so withheld from us viewers, that there must be something pretty solid and inevitable going on, IMHO. I'm guessing Helen and Brian because Brian's alliance with Ted has been so heavily featured and recently Clay's with him has been highlighted too. Yet there have been teasers about Brian's Machiavellian master plan. By process of elimination, I think it has to be Helen. However, I'm not betting on this- just fun to speculate. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:51 am     Alaginger, I can see that. I like your take on things. |
Alaginger | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 06:14 am     If I had to take a guess as to when Helen and Brian may have worked up a "so-called" solid alliance, I would say that when they were swimming together to get water after Ted allowed the boat to go adrift would have been the perfect time. They were alone, for quite a while, and they both proved to each other by taking that trek that they were both strong and intelligent players. I did see Brian hug Helen after a group win, and plant a little kiss on the top of her head......so comradeship? |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 06:25 am     I definately think they (Brian and Helen) are aligned in some way. Clay is the one without a buddy. Since someone is miffed that they are not taken on the reward.............We only have a few choices. Helen wins and does not want to tip her hand taking Brian so chooses Penny. Jan could be miffed but Brian will see the wisdom. Brian wins and takes Helen or Jake, miffing everyone. I think Brian may duck this one. I can't see another combo. Jan is sweet to all so her choosing anyone would be expected. |
Squaredsc | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:31 am     ms. bat, alaginger i like both of your takes on this. if brian is as smart as i think he is he will throw the rc this week. '' maybe clay says something outloud like the things he says to the camera. i can see how that would tick someone off. |
Grooch | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 08:49 am     In the picture Car posted above, it says that a teammate gets upset with another to the point of never wanting to see that person again. I wonder if it is Ted? He said he never wanted to ever see Ghandia again (understandably so.) And it would have to be either Brian (realizes they are not in an alliance after all) or Clay that he is upset with. So my guess is that Ted makes a huge deal about something, and so all the others decide this is their chance to vote him off. (Unless he wins immunity.) |
Webkitty | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:10 am     I would think that from here on EVERYONE should try to throw the RC. It only causes envious feelings in the rest and the winner is away from camp, giving the rest the opportunity to plot. If you keep winning rewards challenges, you better be able to follow up with an immunity win. I keep thinking of who would get their knickers in a twist if they felt their "friend" didn't take them on the reward. Clay - yes Helen - maybe Ted - maybe Jake - not likely Penny - not likely Brian - not likely Jan - No So, I am thinking that Ted wins the RC. We have already been shown some troubled feelings toward him. Now, he pulls a Lex and is questioning the votes against him. He decides to take Penny with him on the reward, causing Clay to react badly. Clay spearheads an attempt to vote Ted off and Jake jumps at the chance. But, Ted wins immunity, and Jake, (or maybe even Clay) not Penny, is voted off (for whatever reason) This fits if you believe the spoiler that is out there that Ted gets a visit from his brother, and, that Penny takes him to the final two. She take him because by the end he is not well liked. If these two form an alliance on the reward trip this time, and they both go on immunity runs, it could happen. I don't want it to happen, and I'm not sure I beleive this WILL happen, just wanted to throw it out there. One of many scenarios. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:28 am     SS has done analysis on the elephant photo and most say that a white man and a smaller person are on the elephant. Someone sees a tattoo. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:33 am     Brian may win RC and take the person who came in second, Clay or Penny? We see that Jan falls on the balance part. |
Webkitty | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:07 am     Right Bat, I don't think Jan wins RC based on that, and I don't think she is choosen to go along with the winner. Eliminate Jan from the equasion. I saw that over on SS too. (but maybe Ted is wearing a light colored shirt or the picture is so distorted its anyones guess) They are also saying that the smaller person has a hat on like the one Clay wears. Clay and Brian don't make sense to me though. Unless, the secret alliance IS Brian and Helen, and Helen gets in a twist over it. Ummmm. As far as whoever wins the RC taking the person that comes in second, that would be too fair and wouldn't cause the contraversy that CBS is promoting. I give up! MB is probably just blowing smoke up are butts anyway. The previews make it look like Jan wins immunity. From the analyisis of the IC at SS, it does sound logical that Jan could win it, and if she does, it would be logical that Jake or Penny go next. This Snewster person is hinting strongly that Penny goes tonight, so who knows. |
Cricket | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:35 am     I thought Brian and Ted had an alliance, but when Brian was talking with Jake, who was working him, he seemed like he would make an alliance with Jake also. I felt bad for Ted, as he thinks he and Brian have a strong alliance. |
Micknrc | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:39 am     Grooch-- I'm not sure what cocktails Car was imbibing, but check the dates on the above press release---episode 4(?) I think this is the one she meant to post...
Car-- Guinness and a Jameson's neat?
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Mygetaway | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:52 am     I was thinking that Ted wins the reward, and takes Jake. While they are gone Jake fills Ted in on Clays "plan" and tries to get him to join up with he and Penny. Then while they are gone, Clay is mad, and plays GOLF while the girls go for water. While the girls are gone Penny fills them in on Clays "plan" and says that they should join up with she and Jake. Meanwhile Clay is his "catty" self, and tries to tell Brian that they need to vote off Ted, because they don't need him anymore. If this all works out the way I want it too.. Clay goes home. |
Essence | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 11:27 am     Thanks Mick, I was thoroughly confused. What if Penny betrays Jake? That would be shocking, considering how close the two of them are supposed to be. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:05 pm     I love it Mygetaway. We all love to find the logic around our choice to go. That promo sure sounds as if Penny is chosen to go with whoever wins. |
Grooch | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:53 pm     Lol, Mick! Thanks for filling me in. Someone turning on the charm would have to be Penny. And it is probably with Helen and Jan since she already tried to charm the men last week. She must be trying for an all girl alliance, which would be in Helen & Jan's best interest. If Helen & Jan stick with their tribe they will be voted out right after Jake & Penny go. But if they get rid of Brian, Ted & Clay first, (who are the biggest threats to win immunity), They have a 50/50 chance of 1 of them making it in the final 2. But I know deep in my heart that no one will switch sides on the chewie team. |
Car54 | Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:25 pm     Don't pick on me Mick. I have been sick. |
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