Kaili | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 01:54 pm     Not that I don't agree, but...ummm....shouldn't Jeff be informed/aware of where they're all from?Obviously he didn't know, and that's fine, but I think maybe Clay had assumed that Jeff would know where she was from. |
Grannyg | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 02:25 pm     Besides don't they edit this stuff? Why not just chew him out in front of the TC but not on TV for every one to see. Then again, maybe that's one of our "clues". |
Csnog | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 03:04 pm     I just rewatched the show and Jeff didn't yell at Clay. He asked and then said in the future just use proper names. He did not raise his voice or seem irritated. |
Spygirl | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 04:05 pm     Didn't seem irritated???? From where I sit, Jeff was talking as if to a 4 year old child -- condescending and irritated. I felt terrible for Clay -- especially given the previous nicknames and that it included where she was from. |
Csnog | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 04:43 pm     Rewatch the show and see. |
Spygirl | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:05 pm     I did |
Risa | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:13 pm     Csnod- you said they had a hard shoot this time. Please give us any details you may have heard. Thanks |
Csnog | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:22 pm     The conditions with the monsoons and the young people on the tribes. Jeff said in interviews that this was the hardest to date. The crew was not happy. Next survivor will be on the Amazon in South America. Filming is going on now. Sorry spy but I watched it a 3rd time and he did not yell at Clay. Jeff informed him. |
Csnog | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 05:38 pm     I should say that the lodge where they are going to be filming from in the Amazon is leased from October 22 to December 22nd. |
Spygirl | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 07:19 pm     Wait! I never said he YELLED at him -- I said he spoke condescendingly to him and was clearly irritated. I have never said he yelled. I do think he unnecessarily humiliated him, though. He "informed" him like a parent would a 4 year old child, IMO. |
Shortnsweet | Monday, October 14, 2002 - 09:23 pm     After reading a few other message boards it has become clear to me that Clay just irratates some people. I think when someone irritates you, everything they do is looked at differently. I'm not (yet) irritated by Clay; I guess that is why I think he probably just didn't know how to spell Ghandia. But if it had been Robb, I would have thought he was being a little snot! So, I think we are arguing a point, when in fact we are disagreeing on how annoying Clay is to each of us. |
Aus10 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 06:16 am     I find it odd, that Jeff supposedly didn't know who the vote was for.......but amazingly the votes were re-arranged as usual in the order that made the vote the most suspenseful for viewing. You can't tell me that he doesn't by that time who's going...One vote for Ghandia...vote for Clay..vote for Ghandia..vote for clay....Now who's this vote for? Yea...right.....he knew..... |
Eliz87 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 06:33 am     Clay doesn't annoy me in the least (YET!), but I too thought that Jeff looked irritated at the vote and I don't blame him. Maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if Clay had just written "Denver Diva" but I think it was the "bye bye" part that got Jeff's goat (and mine!). That was a little too over-the-top, IMHO. |
Car54 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 08:57 am     I didn't think Jeff was that mad at Clay personally, but for goodness sake this is Season 5- he has his little routine for TC...and these people don't know how to place a vote? And to use the vote to be a little spiteful? I think he was a little irritated is all. Remember, in Tammy's recent interview, she said TC lasts HOURS...and Jeff talks a lot. As heavily edited as that sequence is, there is a good reason why they chose to include that segment. I am just waiting to see why. Aus, I think they vote in the order they vote, and I think Jeff reads the votes in the order he pulls them out...the sequencing of votes happens in the editing room to create more suspense. |
Corriecat | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 09:45 am     I heard something about Jeff doing an interview and saying that the Survivors were difficult to work with. General consensus on another board I read is that he was irritated with them for being difficult and decided to be difficult himself. |
Ginger1218 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 10:01 am     Ok Csnog, perhaps "yelled" was a strong word, but he was definitely very irritated with Clay. I don't know how you do not see that - but hey - to each his own. I also think that Jeff was annoyed because he may have felt it made him look dumb - not knowing who Denver Diva was. Not that it did, but that he may have felt that way. Also, I agree about the setting up of the votes so that they come out in a more suspenseful way. |
Csnog | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 10:40 am     Me to on the editing. I want to see 24/7 and would be willing to pay. Come on Jeff give us more. We don't even know much about the hut sleepers to like or dislike them. |
Jo_5329 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 10:51 am     I've only watched a couple showings of BB, but heard about the live feeds and thought that would be fun for Survivor, but heck, it's already in the can before it gets to air Unless there was some way they could set up some tape that we could veiw a few days ahead of time, kind of like the inbetween days from TC to TC .. not including the IC and RC. Oh well that just confused me .. hope I didn't confuse anyone else. And can you all see how busy I am at work lately? Geez I need a new job ! Jo |
Car54 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:12 am     They did have a subscription thing for Survivor Africa, and you could see extra footage every week for the coming episode, it really WAS very helpful and gave you a chance to get to know a bit more about the players and what was going on. I still think that was one of the reasons people got so involved with some of the S3 players. We knew them better. They have not offered it since. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:14 am     I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Survivor, but I would hate to see it go to Live Feeds or anything else like that. There would be no suspense or guessing anymore. I LOVE all the spoiling stuff. Not to mention that it would totally consume my life. I spent too much time on BB as it was and I don't like BB nearly as much as I like Survivor! I'm not someone who does "moderation" well and having it on only once a week helps me keep it balanced with other areas of my life!! Also, after the mid-point of BB, the "familarity breeds contempt" adage starts to kick in. I have been oversaturated and am pretty much sick of everyone. With Survivor, I don't reach that point and am always disappointed when it is over. With BB, I am relieved when it is over. But that's just me! (I'm not off topic at all, am I? ) |
Csnog | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:43 am     It's just that after 4 weeks we know nothing about the hut sleepers. No conversations between them. Nothing, NADA. We see Shii Anne and Robb with a litlle of Steph thrown in but nothing about the rest. Can't find a villain nor someone to really root for. Hope this week breaks out a little knowledge of the hut sleepers besides breaking twigs and dirty looks at Stephanie. |
Car54 | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 11:51 am     Csnog, just wait...there is probably a good reason MB has not shown us that team. Boy, we are going to have to work harder if you can't find a villain or someone to root for! Personally I think the first 2 or 3 weeks are to weed out the players who probably should never have been there... as they get closer to the merge I think it gets a lot more interesting- I like it when they are playing for themselves! It is all about telling a story...usually when this happens it is for one of two reasons: 1. Something interesting happens down the road 2. The players are DULL and there is nothing interesting to show. I am hoping for #1. I am an optimist. Hermione, I am with you on this one. I did like the subscription thing...it was short, and we did get to see a little more about the players, and sometimes they showed little snips of things they did not have time for on the show. I would not want to see much more tho- it would take away some of the mystique! |
Sia | Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - 06:37 pm     Aus10, what you said is exactly what I thought when the episode aired: Jeff supposedly didn't know who the vote was for.......but amazingly the votes were re-arranged (as usual) in the order that made the vote the most suspenseful for viewing. You can't tell me that he doesn't by that time who's going. I don't ever remember that issue being addressed: Jeff says, "I'll go tally the votes," and comes back with them pre-counted and re-arranged!! That has happened every episode of each season. |
Kitt | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 01:53 pm     I always wonder if the pot they put the votes into has a false bottom, and someone grabs them from underneath and orders them left to right for Jeff. It doesn't mean Jeff knew the votes though, just that he knew they were arranged in the "best" order for suspense. |
Whit4you | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 06:38 pm     Realistically - IF they didn't know who the Denver Diva was - why didn't they just put it as the last vote since the last vote would not be shown...hmmm? They obviously WANTED to show it. |
Aus10 | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 08:30 pm     I just thought it was odd, that the first person who votes would obviously be the last that's pulled from the jar, vase, or whatever it is. But if you follow the writing styles or if they show a particular person being voted on you see they are not pulled out of the jar in backwards voting order. They pull the ones out of the jar starting with the ones they've already showed you, so you can't figure out in your head who's going before they want you to know. Even if Jeff doesn't know the final count (which I find hard to believe) I'd bet that the producers, camera men, and crew know well in advance. It'd be a heck of a big screw up if they didn't capture the face of the evictee for TV. |
Azriel | Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 11:11 pm     My theory is that Jeff was just ticked off that he was going to have to spend so much time at loser lodge with Ghandia.  |