Predict the boot order of the final five.
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Llkoolaid | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 06:35 am     I thought it might be fun to see what everyone thinks. 1. Jan, Brian has Clay,Ted and Helen all thinking they have an alliance with him. He is in control right now. He won't want anyone of them gone so out with Jan. This may not work because we saw in the preview, Ted and Helen talking about Clay, so if they vote for him it depends on who Jan votes for. It just depends on who gets immunity. I see Clay having a bigger chance of getting that than Jan. 2. Clay, Ted is going to vote Clay and so will Helen, Clay will vote for Ted and Brian will vote Helen. 3. Brian, I think by this time that Ted and Helen will be on to Brian having an alliance with everyone so they will vote him off. I think Brian will do a Richard Hatch and lose the immunity thinking both Ted and Helen will pick him for final two and therefore he won't lose the vote of one of them if he picks them to leave. 4. Hard choice, but I think Helen has a strong chance here. I think she will win by a small margin. This is only guessing, based on just my feeling of how these people are relating to each other. Immunity is going to be a big part in this so who knows. I just thought it would be fun to see what everyone else thinks will play out. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 11:28 am     Do you want my spoiler-based or non-spoiler-based prediction?! |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 12:47 pm     both |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 01:23 pm     Okay, twist my arm! This is my spoiler based one. Brian and Clay have the strongest actual alliance. Helen and Ted only think that they have the alliance with Brian. Brian wants Clay with him in the F2 because he feels that going up against Clay is his best chance at a win. He is not about to vote out Clay. However, Brian is in the power seat and Helen and Ted are not going to figure it out until it is too late. Therefore I predict: 5. Helen... I'm picking Helen to go next in large part to information on spoiler boards. I think she tries to force Brian's hand in getting rid of Clay and they vote her off instead. 4. Ted... Too much of a threat to win immunity. The power couple will convince Jan to vote him out next. They want to bring Jan along thinking they can beat her in the next challenge. 3. Jan... And they will be right. Bye bye Jan. So the F2 are Brian and Clay. Then CLAY will get more votes than Brian for sole survivor. I am predicting a Clay win mainly because I think the editing favors Brian too obviously. I think Brian is playing too many people and when they get to the jury, they will find that out and hold it against him. All they need is Helen and Ted on there talking about it for Brian's plan to get the big bucks to unravel. I can picture the conversation now... Helen: "I had a F2 pact with Brian and I know he did what he could, but stupid Clay got me voted out." Ted: "YOU had a F2 pact with Brian? I had a F2 pact with Brian also!" Helen: "OMG, I've been SUCKERED! I knew I should have listened to my hubby!" Ted: "Brian, you b*stard. No votes for you!" I think a lot of the jury speeches are going to be along the lines of "I don't want to vote for eithe one of you, but I am picking the lesser of the two evils." Clay wins. I'll have to work on the nonspoiler based one... I haven't thought about it much since I am buying the spoilers. |
Clp | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 02:12 pm     Ok Hermione - you totally stole my thunder - I think this is exactly right - the reasoning and the order! I am glad I am not alone in thinking Brian has got it all wrong in that he thinks Clay is the easiest to beat. The title of ep 13 says it all "Slipping Through Your Fingers". A win by Clay will be seen by the gen pub as a surprise because of the editing. The only one who has been edited as the winner is Brian THEREFORE the only one who can be seen as having held the victory in his hands only to have it slip through his fingers. SO I agree it will be 5 - Helen 4 - Ted 3 - Jan 2 - Brian 1 - CLAY I see Clay getting these votes Helen - if only to say, I thought Brian controlled my destiny, I was wrong, but now I control Brian's destiny Ted - Brian screwed me, I don't love Clay but I knew he was playing against me, Brian mislead me Jan - Brian hurt Ted and Helen's feelings, I vote for Clay Penny & Erin - screw the guy who orchestrated Sook Jai's demise Ken and Jake vote Brian because short, unathletic Clay played the game they wished they could have played OK - my 2 ¢! |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 03:23 pm     boot order.... right foot, left foot, right foot,left foot, right foot. oh, that boot order... 5th: ted 4th: helen 3rd: brian runner up: clay winner: jan but right now, i'd rather have helen win. i think clay may have pissed enough jurors off that jan would win over him. although supposedly brian did quit his car salesman job in october...and ted bought a motorcycle, and helen bought graceland, and clay bought a booster seat...jan probably bought a lot of champagne, or a kegger or something! she cries big old rivers of tears when she finds out she wins and everyone else drowns. |
Webkitty | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 05:26 pm     Good points everyone, and LOL Tabby! My boot pick is: Jan Helen Ted Clay Brian - winner I've already said this in another thread, but I'll lay it out again. And, I'll play devil's advocate and take the opposite stance. I think Jan has been the next boot pick since Ghadia left. They like her, but its just how it is. I don't think she was ever part of an alliance, secret or otherwise, and I don't see her badmouthing anyone to the jury. Helen could be in danger of going this week because of her little revolt that she has going with Ted, but I think she wins immunity and is safe until next week. Brian could consider it this week, remember he said last week he is open to options and changing his game plan. I do think he feels some loyality to her and will solve this by going with the easy pick of Jan. He will probably remind Helen and Ted that Jan was liked by the SJ's and do they really want to take the chance of going up against her at F2? He will probably give Helen a little pep talk and tell her that her dislike of Clay is getting in the way of rational judgment. He might even bring up Colby and his dislike for Keith and look what happened to him, lol! Plus, Grooch made a good point in another thread about Helen being the one who gets water. Not a consideration in our eyes, but out there it might be. He might promise her Clay is next IF he doesn't win immunity, but I think he does, and Clay and Ted vote her off. He might even tell Ted and Clay that if they want to vote off Helen, fine, but he can't and hope they understand. I can see them going for it (he's a silver tongued devil, he is!) but Clay bitching about it in a confessional. The only badmouthing Helen will be doing to the jury is for Clay. Now, Brian, Ted and Clay are the final three. Clay wins the last challenge and picks Brian. Ted has no reason to badmouth Brian to the jury for this. To elaborate, Brian, Ted and Clay had an alliance since the beginning. Just because Ted was shown trying to get Brian to go further than that, to commit to an F2 spot, it doesn't mean to me that Brian has run around and promised everyone an F2 spot. Its an assumption that I have seen repeated on more than one board. I missed one show this season, but I don't remember MB showing us that Brian promised Helen or Clay the F2 spot either, how could he? I also don't think that Brian has the tightest alliance with Clay just because the TDT spoiler says that its Brian/Clay in F2. Anything can happen. Brian might HOPE its Clay because when SJ came over, he saw that some of Clay's actions and words might not sit well with them. I have a feeling he has worked out a speech and a way of presenting himself to the jury that is different for each CG left. This is something we may never know, but I think he has the capability and forsight to do it. I don't see him stumbling for words if he gets the opportunity. I don't think anyone on the jury likes how Clay has played the game, and although he can be funny and affable at times, I think he will be outclassed in the answers department from Brian. I can see a sweep for Brian winning 7-0. JMO  |
Lyn | Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 10:36 pm     5) Clay 4) Brian 3) Jan 2) Ted 1) Helen |
Alaginger | Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 03:56 pm     Okay........I must be in a secret alliance with Webkitty, because I just came here to put down the same order. Jan Helen Ted Clay Brian I think Jan is going tomorrow night because she was scheduled to go before the pagonging on SJ began. I think Helen is next because the F2 scenarios of B/C and B/T becomes an F3 BCT and is too strong to allow Helen in. I think Ted is next because Brian thinks he can win against Clay. And I think Brian will beat Clay if he can get all the evictions to look as if they were not his idea (and he is one sharp car-dealing cookie). |
Realbiz | Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 04:02 pm     Final 5 - Helen Final 4 - Ted Final 3 - Jan Final 2 - Clay Sole Survivor - Brian |
Allietex | Wednesday, December 11, 2002 - 10:10 pm     You know it doesn't matter if Brian never really committed to anyone. They think he has and that is all that matters. Helen stated postively to her husband that Brian told her it was him and her in the final two. Clay and Ted obviously believe they are the ones he has chosen to take to the final two, though I think Ted has doubts. So he takes one of them, the others are going to feel betrayed unless he can make it appear not to be his doing. I think he still has them believing. If he manages to keep this going I believe the boot order is Jan Helen Ted Clay Brian and Clay as the final 2 where Brian believes he will win. He may get shocked though. I have just about gotten to the point where I am rooting for anyone to beat him. The jury may feel the same way once they compare notes. Of course the whole thing hinges on who wins immunity so any picks at this point are pure conjecture. |
Muse | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 07:11 am     Final five: Helen (becoming too much of a player, a threat in physical challenges, well-liked by SJ) Final four: Ted (He's next biggest physical threat in challenges, and Clay doesn't really seem to like him) Final three: Jan (kept around because she doesn't seem like a threat in the final challenge - and the name of the last episode suggests that the third place person could have won it all) Clay and Brian as the final two...Clay wins since Brian has made too many promises (or people *think* he's made promises, at least) and because a few of the people on Sook Jai never really got to know him that well. Plus they might figure that Brian's younger and financially well off, blah blah blah. It'll be a lesser of two evils thing for most of the jury, though. I also think that the editing makes it look like Brian has the best shot of winning, just to mislead viewers for a "surprise" ending. |
Jenhavins | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 08:27 am     My order: 1. Ted 2. Jan 3. Helen 4. Clay 5. Brian as the winner |
Mygetaway | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 11:09 am     I started reading everybodys, but quit because it makes me want to change my mind.. The way I'd like to see it go: 1. Jan (I think you guys are prob right on this) 2. CLAY (Hopefully he can't win immunity 2 in a row) 3. Ted (because I think Helen and Brian go to the end) 4. Brian (down by one vote because he did play a good game) 5. Helen winner!! |
C1mag | Thursday, December 12, 2002 - 12:53 pm     Ted Helen Jan Brian and Clay in finals and Clay wins the granprize. NEVER EVER promise everyone you are going to the finals with them. I applaud the effort but have learned that since we don't experience it first hand we think differently. There will be sore feelings for being that much of a sucker and it won't result in giving Brian the larger amount of money. It's funny because I've always called Clay the weasel in this game but he played hard and got real lucky that someone like Brian was playing this game. BTW I'd be real happy to be wrong and watch Brian be booted before the finals but it seems that they all see themselves in the finals with him except Jan so I think it's a safe bet to say they will court him all the way to the finals. However, the others that he lied to who will be sitting on that jury will not appreciate his game and vocalize to the others what a cheap shot it was and then Helen will drive the stake all the way in when she reminds them about how wealthy he appeared to be. |
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