Archive through November 08, 2002
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Archive through November 08, 2002
Hermione69 | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:22 am     I think he is toast. |
Spunky | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:43 am     If Ken really wanted to save Shi Anne he could have. He never explained to her why it was not a merger and let her go on believing they were playing individually. If he was so sure she had to stay with the team he must have known it wasn't a merger but he didn't try to explain what he knew and let her dig her own hole. It was no surprise to see Ken and the other not try hard enough to win immunity, they wanted her gone and her desperate attempt at winning the challenge was a bit sad to watch. |
Essence | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:02 am     I think Ken's insistence that she remain with the team was because they did think it was a merge and they needed her to try to take the advantage over Chuay Ghan in numbers. Otherwise, what difference would it have made if Ken knew they hadn't really merged? They needed to win that immunity challenge so that Chuay Ghan would have sent someone out, giving Sook Jai the advantage. |
Kitt | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:33 pm     Ken went down in my estimation last night, with his treatment of Shi-Ann. I can understand why in the end he decided to vote against Shi-Ann (although tactically I think it's a mistake, the first chance they get, Chuay Ghan will get rid of Ken now Shi-Ann's not there to protect him) but I think he could have put a logical case to her as to why she should vote in a block with SJ - instead he just tried to bully her. Shame Shi-Ann's gone, and shame Ken is likely to go soon because of it. |
Catfat | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 04:01 pm     Babyruth, that pictue of Ken that you posted is really a good one, he looks very handsome. I wonder where in god's name that other apparition came from? |
Chiparock | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 04:10 pm     That other apparition? Not in god's name but in ... SATAN's name! Shii Ann the She-<>'s revenge! Bwaaahhhaaaahhaa!!  |
Pamy | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 06:27 pm     Apparition??? We have a picture of his apparition?? I want to see it!! |
Muse | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 07:20 pm     Ken didn't handle Shii Ann's wavering allegiance very well. I think he's good at getting information from people, but not necessarily manipulating them to do what he wants. And I agree that there's a good chance he'll be gone soon. Probably not a good idea (strategically) for him to get rid of Shii Ann. Erin and Penny are obviously tight, so either Jake or Ken will be voted against at TC the next time Sook Jai loses immunity. And Jake said he wanted to align with women, so I'm thinking it'll be Ken, especially since the women seem to like Jake a lot. Jake might even vote with them...who knows. And if there's a merge, Ken is indeed the biggest Sook Jai threat. |
Bastable | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 08:04 pm     He's clearly marked himself as the leader, which means he might as well paint a target on his chest instead of that NYPD badge. Trouble is... how can people feel good about voting off a 9/11 survivor? (Was he?) Do you think that he'd use that against them (whether or not the cameras show us), or that the other players would feel guilty about voting him off? Clearly, he's the biggest target in Sook Jai. |
Csnog | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 09:39 pm     Ken is not the leader, Jake is, along with Penny and Erin. Ken knows this and talked to Shii Ann about not being able to be in tight with the alliance but being on the fringe. Ken knows that if his team screws up next time he will be gone. He thought he had a chance with Individual Immunity if they merged but they didn't. Ken voted as he was told. |
Azriel | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:17 pm     Csnog, I don't see it. I think Ken is very much the tribe leader and head manipulator. Jake tried to warn Shii Ann to suck it up and not call attention to herself last week. He did not sound like he was in charge and calling the shots. He sounded like he was trying to lay low and giving that same advice to a friend. |
Cc1976 | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 10:29 pm     Ken did the right thing strategically by voting off Shii Ann. She even said so in her interview. It's a death sentence to go into a merge out-numbered. Shii Ann had switched sides. If he and Jake had voted off Penny, then it is 6 against 3 (Ken, Jake, Erin). This way, if there is another team immunity and they win it, it's back to 4 vs 4 and anything can happen. I know a lot of you liked Shii Ann, but from Ken and Jake's point of view, it was a smart move. |
Spear | Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:44 pm     Ken is not the tribe leader. Watch this week's clip of Jake on the CBS web site. It looks like Jake is the middleman between Ken and the others. Jake says he has to convince Ken that Penny isn't out to get him. Anyway, as long as the merge is put off, Ken may have a better chance of avoiding eviction since his team would want to keep him for the immunity challenges. |
Muse | Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 10:36 am     I disagree, Cc1976. I think Ken and Jake would have won major points with Shii Ann if they kept her around...and like she said, she wasn't turning on them so much as turning on Erin and Penny. And Jake is very iffy on his alliance with Ken (Jed said in an interview that Penny and Jake were very close, and Jake said he'd prefer to align with women). Ken's best hope of staying around is by winning immunity (perhaps until the merge) *or* convincing Jake to take the risk of siding with him (which would might be foolish on Jake's part, IMHO) and voting for a tie next time. So I personally think that Ken would either be in the same (bad) position he's in if Shii Ann had stayed, or he'd be better off. Either way, he wouldn't have had anything to lose. Of course, I'm also willing to admit that this is based on how I'm reading tribal dynamics. And that's affected by editing and the way I see it. So I could be wrong. But in the meantime, I'm not going to get attached to Ken. |
Spunky | Sunday, November 03, 2002 - 09:50 am     When Ken was speaking to Shii Anne about her defection I felt exactly the way she was feeling at that moment, he was intimidating and his threat was apparent, he did show his cop's color right there and he does this quite well as a cop...that is.. Still, some mention of that not being a merger may have been edited out and Ken may have looked better (to us) if he did try to explain to Shi Anne that they were not playing individually, even if (like someone else said here) no one knew for sure, he could have tried to explore that possibility with Shi Anne and she would have changed her tactic sooner by not attaching herself to the other tribe and stick around her team mates a bit more. (a lesson from BB Danielle may have been good for Shi Anne). |
Djgirl5235 | Monday, November 04, 2002 - 09:28 am     Here's the thing that I've noticed... Out of everyone on this season, we have not seen a lot about Erin, Penny & Ken... Who's to say that it's actually Brian, Ted, Clay & Helen who are the final four? We've seen LOTS of them, but not much about the rest of them... Don't get me wrong, I love the Chuay's but isn't it a little interesting that we haven't seen anything really about these people? How are we to know that Penny's manipulative?! You know what I mean? |
Catfat | Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:01 am     One look at Penny's smirking little rat-face at TC and you could tell she knows exactly what she is doing and to whom. I also am firmly convinced that MB knew exactly what he was doing when he didn't merge the tribes at that time, and that he knew that ShiiAnn would be booted. |
Ariasmum | Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 07:53 am     I would have liked to hear what Ken was saying while holding up Shii Anne's ballot.(Jake too) I wonder if we will ever hear the reasons for the votes. |
Spunky | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 08:36 am     Oh what the heck is this guy doing? Giving up on the immunity challenge like a weakling...(I don't want to say a bad word). It took the old man Jake to put on a good show for his team but not Ken who, as a cop, should have been trained in endurance. Wasn't he the first to quit? I wonder if he really wanted to get rid of Erin... Not my favorite guy.. |
Realbiz | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 08:41 am     Penny was the first poped out of water. |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 08:50 am     Spunky, I don't remember 100% accurately, but I am still 99% sure that Penny was the first to quit out of everyone. Then Erin. Then Clay and Ted popped up almost at the same time. Then Jan and Ken, but I don't remember in what order, which left Jake and Brian battling it out and we all know Brian won that round. So Ken was second to last for the SJs. Anyone else out there who can confirm or deny my recollection?? |
Draheid | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:13 am     I presume you are talking about the immunity challenge. Here is the order in which they came out of the water: 1st up: Penny @ 9 seconds 2nd up: Ken @ 15 seconds 3rd up: Clay 20 seconds 4th up: Ted @ 21 seconds 5th up: Jan @ 23 seconds 6th up: Erin @ 25 seconds Chuay Gahn has 64 seconds total underwater - Sook Jai has 49 seconds - Jake must stay 16 seconds LONGER than Brian for Sook Jai to win. 7th up: Jake is up - no time given Last up: Brian brought up by Clay - Chuay Gahn wins immunity Hope this helps! |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:26 am     So much for my memory! Thanks Draheid! |
Bastable | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:38 am     The more Ken talks, the less I like him. I dug him in the beginning, when he kept his mouth closed. Now all he does is talk crap about Shi Ann being branded a "rat" for the rest of her life, "honor," and other pseudo-brainwashed pap. If he doesn't stop talking like a lunkheaded cop, I'm going to be glad when he finally goes. |
Seamonkey | Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:04 am     Bastable, I think maybe he IS a lunkhead cop. Sad, since I thought I'd like him from the beginning too. === Penny was first up and I'm amazed that no one mentioned THAT.. Jake, who was the last up for Sookies, felt he had failed them, but Penny, and then Ken, were the ones to send them to see Jeff and who gets booted??? Erin!! Riiight. |
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