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Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The big exciting thing for me is not what the challenges are or who wins RC but who is the next boot.

I can make a case for all of them. Brian is the weakest but I can do it.

Right this minute I am with Jan to go. I will check back as soon as someone posts why it has to be Ted or Helen and I will agree.....and on it will go......

Grooch

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What is she wins immunity?

Grooch

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But I will say Jan also.

Brian wanted to boot all the women, but keep one left to do all the work.

Helen is the one who goes gets water. They need her.

ANd Jan won't hold being booted against them.

Moondance

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here MsKitty
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Webkitty

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, so they all get to go to the spa, and that is why they look so happy riding in the truck. It looks like it was right after they took off from RC beach, so the drive might have been long. Stress and bitterness to follow.

They get to the spa, are given some wine, and in their weakened states, can't keep up the pretense of being happy for Ted. The end is near and emotions are raw.

I'm satisfied we have this down right (at least for now)

On to the IC. Clay has to be the one to win, its the weight loss challenge, and I don't know what else there is to say about this. I'm at a loss for words.

Except to debate who goes, Helen or Jan.

Unless its Ted because he won the truck, but there is more than one spoiler out there that places him in F3. One of them, Fudgenut's, is the one that predicted Ted brother went to Thailand and won the IC. He also says it got Ted to F3. Most are saying there is no way he could know this, unless Ted blabbed to his brother (which I can see) and his brother passed the info along to his gf, and she passed it along to Fudgenut. (I think its possible, it was just a matter of time until some of these Survivors started blabbing)

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why do you think Clay has to win the weight loss challenge, Webkitty? I can see any of them winning. Clay is heavy and probably watches his weight in general so is aware of what he weighs more than Jan or Helen would. Ted is probably in that same position.

Webkitty

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow, good pic MsMoon! They look happy about something!

But Bat is right, lets move on to who gets booted.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 02:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hoo hoo.....Kitty......why do you think Clay will win the weight thing?

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 02:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I now think Ted will go. If they think they need a reason the SUV is as good as any.

If the IC is the compellation of past challenges one of the men will win. The women are feeling weak and don't appear to have as much stamina. Clay is older and probably not as fast. Ted or Brian are good contenders. Ted is bigger though and probably slower. Brian could win it. That is my guess of the moment.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
......waiting for someone to show up here......or I will just talk to myself.........not opposed to that, I do it all the time.

Tabbyking

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
it looks like clay is sitting on helen's lap, which would be good if they had to guess the weight someone else lost! gosh, they all look like they are lined up in a dentist's or doctor's office; "say 'ahh'"

Tabbyking

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
okay, and if you ask me, which you didn't, it looks to me as if brian has dentures!

Webkitty

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, your right, I am just assuming Clay wins immunity this week because of the F2 spoiler. Actually, I think Clay would be the least likely to win.
He is an admitted 'good old boy" and I can't see him obsessing about his weight. He probably eats whatever he wants and has never been on a scale.

If Helen wins the IC, it could fuel her to push for a Clay boot, but I still think Jan has been the next agreed upon boot pick since Ghandia left, and Brian holds her to it. He does not want to risk going up against Jan in F2.
No one that has been booted so far has had a harsh word to say about her and he can't be sure the jury would vote strategy over affability.

Brian talking Helen out of booting Clay over Jake doesn't mean that he is commited to only going with Clay to the end. Jake was the logical choice (imo)

If Clay doesn't win immunity this week, I think Brian promises her Clay is next to go, but Clay wins it next time, and there is a tie, and Helen loses out.

I am being subborn, I don't want to think of Brian as a backstabbing weasel. I am trying to reach for scenarios that will keep him out of this label.

LOL Tabby!!! (I just saw your last post)

Csnog

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted is sitting in the seat next to Helen. He is hidden behind Clay. You can see his ear and shirt.

Brian is not in the picture.

Hermione69

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's Brian in the far left of the picture. Look closer.

There has been some argument that Ted is there in the backseat and just not visible in that shot. Someone pointed out that Clay and Jan appear to be in the same plane and therefore Jan must be sitting on Ted's lap.

Fruit, I think Clay may win the weight loss challenge because I think they will all be surprised at how much they have lost and I would peg him as the one that is likely to guess less conservatively. JP said this group of Survivors lost more weight than anyone in previous Survivors so I bet they all underestimate.

Moondance

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
>There has been some argument that Ted is there in the backseat and just not visible in that shot. Someone pointed out that Clay and Jan appear to be in the same plane and therefore Jan must be sitting on Ted's lap<

Good point Hermione!

Hermione69

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aw, shucks, I'm just passing it along and I can't take credit for it, but thanks! :)

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone has to be riding shot gun so the dark figure to the left is either Brian or Ted. The other must be in the front, yes? But it sure looks like Jan is in someones lap. Good observation.

Hermione69

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The one on the left, behind Clay's hat, with the beard is definitely Brian. Look up at the hair if you are not sure and you'll see. Ted has no hair.

I'm just passing along more analysis from others here, but they apparently are 4-wheeling on the beach and some wondered if JP may have brought in a professional driver for that so no one would get injured (can you imagine the headlines? "Freak SUV Accident in Survivor: Thailand!"), in which case JP could be the one riding shotgun.

I still think it's Ted up front, either driving or riding shotgun, and Jan is just sitting on the edge of the seat, but it's fun to analyze the possibilities.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks. My computer is showing that picture very dark. I see no hair or beard, just teeth. :)

Cyn

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Moondance, Jan is definitely sitting on something.

Fruitbat

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby, not dentures, just a bad bonding job. :)

Csnog

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
TDT has another picture that looks like Ted in the seat that Brian is in. Now I am looking for close ups of Teds and Brians ears because they look pointed in TDT's picture.

Webkitty

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG. I was in this thread blathering to myself all weekend about this pic being BEFORE the RC. Ted may or may not be in back of Jan, but that is Brian in the corner, no doubt about it.

I find more clues in it from their expressions and clean looking clothes.

The challenge looks like its going to be dirty and greuling, and they look clean and refreshed in that pic. I'm just saying...........

I think they get a trip around the beach to help them get psyched up for the challenge.

They ALL look too happy for it to be after the challenge.

I think I am going to be difficult and change my winner pick to Clay. He just looks too darn happy in the pics where they are getting ready for the IC. (which is after the RC) I could see him rolling around too, he did it before with Ted in the first show. And, I think the rest would be more bitter if Clay won than Ted.

Moondance

Monday, December 09, 2002 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
here is the pix from TDT

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