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Lombadier

Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know what it is, but I was really drawn to Ted from the first episode. Teddy bear is a perfect description of him. I just don't know what to make of the whole event with Ghandia. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt but just don't know. I do not like Ghandia, and that was also clear to me from the first episode. Perhaps Ted will join forces with Brian and Clay, I would love to see an alliance of those three.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Ted was probably guilty to some extent. I would imagine that they both were. But he handled the aftermath with aplomb, while Ghandia lost it, and so he is the one that will come out of this smelling like roses. Too bad the cameras didn't catch it on tape because none of us will ever know the true story.

Wiseolowl

Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah he probably crossed the line. Was he largely asleep ? - probably for some of it. I thought he handled it fairly well though. Ghandia did not. This tribe until tonight was vulnerable. They are there to win and at this point in the game , having a strong tribe is important. I really believe that Ghandia and Helen were probably feeling the most vulnerable and were using the situation to deflect attention from themselves
. -Think they overplayed their hands though, and it will ultimately cost them. They need Ted's stength to win those challenges and he is basically a decent guy. If it does come down to three men against three women then it's a tie vote and if my memory serves me , in the event of a tie they look at past votes - don't believe Ted has gotten any yet.

Realtvfan

Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Ted should not have stayed sleeping next to her. After they were finishing talking strategy, it was up to Ted to roll over to sleep elsewhere. Since he came to her to talk strategy, it would have been the polite thing for him to move to sleep elsewhere.

There is plenty of room in the cave. This was not the same sleeping situation as in S2 with all 5 of them sleeping right next to each other to keep warm in the rain after jeff took the Texas flag/shelter in exchange for food and fishing hooks.

So Ted is not 100% innocent, but he is far better at handling the aftermath than she is.

Twinkie

Thursday, October 03, 2002 - 09:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Ted handled the aftermath really well while Ghandia REALLY lost it. I also suspect it will be her undoing. Did you see how the others were looking at her when she went off???

Resortgirl

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 03:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Real... he is not 100% innocent, but he owned up to what he did, apologized, and since Ghandia accepted the apology that should have been the end of it. She acted like a nutcase! She did say once that the reason she didn't like Helen is because Helen doesn't show emotion... Well Ghandia you SHOULD take a bit of a lesson from her!! The way you display your emotions is at the other end of the spectrum. And it ain't pretty!

Sia

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 05:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted's reaction seemed "typically male" to me: downplay it and try to ride out the storm--and I'm not faulting him for that. In order for them to continue to work together on the same tribe, they would both need to forgive and forget. It didn't sound to me like he did anything forceful, and she certainly had the option of getting up and moving to another location, or of waking up the other tribemates and asking for "help."

Ghandia, by contrast, seemed to have stewed over the situation and let it bother her way more than it should have, maybe because Ted seemed to dismissive of her feelings or her value as a woman in his treatment of the incident when he apologized. His apology came across as sincere to me, however, and she did accept it. I felt that she should have taken her issue up with him privately instead of going to the other tribemates in secret and badmouthing Ted. She got herself worked up into a RAGE and didn't demonstrate maturity with her ridiculous display. Throwing the rocks was the limit for me!

Fluff

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 05:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ted really did seem sincere to me. And he was mature about the situation.

Ghandia, on the other hand, accepted his apology, and then used the situation against him by running and telling people. Then, to me, she was the one always on him. I hope they vote her out next week.

Wiseolowl

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 05:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Ghandia blew the puzzle and lost the immunity challenge - she was given the benefit of the doubt - Ted supported her. As the song says: " Give peace a chance"

Resortgirl

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess throwing rocks into the ocean IS better then throwing them at Ted!

Rissa

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't mind throwing the rocks, if she has a temper and needed a way to blow off steam.. fine. I just didn't think the entire temper tantrum was sincere in the first place. She didn't seem all that angry to me, seemed more like an act. "Well, I stormed over here and everyone is staring at me, so I better make it look good."

Either Ted WAS half-asleep, so drop it... or Ghandia's kissing him, touching him, rubbing his thighs, etc. turned him on and he made a pass, didn't work so he stopped it. Either way Ghandia trying to make it out as analogous to rape was outa bounds and her continued festering of the situation is going to cost her.

Eliz87

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 07:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To be fair, as I posted on the Ghandia thread:

IMO, neither one of them should've been snuggling, PERIOD. They've both made commitments to other people and those commitments should be respected and upheld under any and all circumstances. If they wanted comfort, they should've asked that their luxury item be a big stuffed animal.

Although I don't approve of either of their behaviors, I especially don't like the way Ghandia handled it the next day. She accepted Ted's apology, then turned right around and made him into the bad guy to "the girls." I can understand she was trying to do this for strategic reasons, but it thankfully backfired on her. The temper tantrum was totally uncalled for and it makes me think there's something more wrong with her than there appears to be on the surface.

I did like the way Ted gathered everyone together to get it out in the open, but I will have to watch him for a couple more weeks to decide whether he really has it together or not.

Squaredsc

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i am just going to say ditto to the above posts, he is not totally blameless but he owned up to it, she accepted it, then turned it around and around into something else. i am still liking him, imo.

Fluff

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep. I thought it was childish when she ran off gossipping like that. Then she did it after he apologized, which really ticked me. Clay was hillarious. Heheheee.

Bbfanatic

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i have read many posts saying ted should have not done this or that. well, i got the impression ghandia was asking for this to happen. i get the impression she likes to play victim. dont stick that big butt where it should not be. i believe ted about him being asleep when this happen and he wasnt aware of it. he apologized and i think she should also, unless i miss that part.

Wiseolowl

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 10:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It just seems to me that "Ted Rogers Jr." has a nice ring to it. I've always been secretly jealous of guys who can add Jr. to their names and get away with it . It usually comes across as kind of prissy. The guy who I really hate (not really ) , is Davis Love the Third. Everybody calls him that without even blinking or slightly coughing.

Fluff

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just find it so strange that they didn't even show what had actually happened. I thought there were crews there 24/7. Hmmmmm. Those editors are something. Regardless, I still think Ted was sincere about the whole situation. I just wish that Ghandia could have moved on, found another sleeping spot, and not kissed him after they won the reward challenge. DID YOU ALL SEE THAT?!! That's what ticked me. I mean if Ted had really upset her, and it brought back those past memories to her, etc., then she wouldn't have done that. JMHO

Grooch

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fluff, even if it isn't true that there is no film of the incident, would there be anything to see on the film?

They are snuggled down undercovers in the dark and there would probably not be to much moving around that would have catched the attention of the camerman. Even the other people sleeping right next to them didn't know anything at all was going on.

But I agree that she should have put a stop to it if she was uncomfortable about it.

Fluff

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, but I still think they could've caught something. At least the spooning part. She said that he bit her, and was massaging her head, and etc. Geesh. I thought the cameras watched them all night.

They showed nothing, leaving it up to us to decide what happened, which is okay, but it's gonna get pretty tired if they talk about it again in the next show. Oh well.

Car54

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fluff, for sure, Ghandia knew the camera was there. If she was so unhappy, she knew she had witnesses and help if needed.

Fluff

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes indeedy.

Marie

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 12:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After she received his apology, what did she do?...walked the few steps over into his "space" and hugged and kissed him.

Jagger

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I beleive they both knew what was going on, and at the time were both OK with it. If Ted was sleeping or in a daze type setting I don't think he would have remembered it happening. I never once heard G say NO, so I think at the time it was fine with her. When they first talked I don't recall her saying anything about the biting and hair massaging, yet later she brought it up, things just don't seem right with her explanation.

I think she was trying to get the ladies to boot him out next time, trying to form an alliance of just the ladies, hopefully it will back fire on her.

I think Ted handled himself well with the explanation to both her and the rest of the group, he wanted to clear the air so to speak, which is good, get everything out in the open so there would be no reason to be talking about it behind anyone's back.

Mssilhouette

Friday, October 04, 2002 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay so now that we've seen the incident I think yes Ted was did something wrong. BUT she has a husband and men have been known to do strange things in the night, when asleep.

My thing was if she felt all this why didn't she just tap him wake him up and bring it to his attention that evening.

She waited until the next morning and instead of bringing it to ted first, she goes and talks to the girls again. THEN finally confronts Ted who with tact apologizes for his action and explains the situation. Which IMO is completely plausable.

I really highly doubt that Ted had any intention towards her, and when you're sleeping in the same position your normally do at home, you can forget where you are.

I do commend Ted during the 2nd confortation in front of everyone that he never ONCE mentioned her private confession of a previous rape to the group, even when she was being pissy and trying to yell at him.

That shows that the man has integrity, so I applaude Ted for being a man about the matter and handling it with tact and maturity.

Ginger1218

Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Csnog, how do you know that Ted lost 50 pounds on the show? Did you read that somewhere? I would be interested to read that if you can point me in the right direction? I like him and would like to feel more confident that he survives there for a while.