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Twiggyish

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We all know Mark places symbolic images to represent future favored players and outcomes of competitions.

Have any of you noticed anything, yet?

Hermione69

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't know he did that. I feel dumb! Can you give me some examples of past seasons' symbols?

Twiggyish

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's see.. with Ethan (as pointed out by a poster an another board), the sun seemed to be shown often. He'd have the sun reflected in his glasses, plus, the sun would be shown rising. The poster tried to draw a connection between the sun and a Christ-like figure in Ethan. (Now I didn't quite believe that symbolism) But, there are hints and clues thrown into the shows.

During that same season, they'd show the IC Idol toppling in the wind. That show, the tribe would lose the competition. So, we'd get a hint ahead of time.

This season, the snakes could show danger and sneakiness. Could be someone is snake-like? Who knows?

Mark is clever with throwing hints our way. You just have to watch for them. (Read the spoilers, they always have different things to point out)

Betty

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermi - In S3 he used a star when Ethan was shown. The "star" was the effect you get when the sunlight reflects in a camera so it could have been missed by the non-spoiling viewers.

In S4 he used several things with Neleh. Her facial mole moved from side to side, and he did some weird music/sound something when she was shown. We didn't get a clue on Vee though. He does like to play with opposites (other than Helen/Neleh and moles) so leads the audience in opposite directions of what will really happen. He focused on Kathy and made it seem like she was already packing her bags home every week.

In S1 it wasn't until afterwards that everyone realized he gave us Richard in E1. Duh, he was sitting in a tree with what everyone thought was a big ol' whiny attitude, but then he said (pp), "Just write out the check with my name."

S3 we didn't get anything that I know of.

Most of the time Mark doesn't allow anyone to do interviews or public appearances before they are booted. Kel was interviewed by a local station but when I posted it, I promptly got bad mouthed and called a liar by everyone but that was one of Mark's little twists to confuse the internet spoilers. He's also been known for airing different time frames in each eppy so you don't know when something really occurred. He also takes great delight with creative editing such as the infamous cap of S1's F4 where he had erased part of the TC members. He will usually (not always) give a character's arch. Usually, if someone has a lot of face time, they will be gone by the following week's vote. Oh, he's a tricky son of a gun and he's tightening up spoilers so don't know what we'll get this season.

Hermione69

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if that whole thing with Ghandia supposedly posting on the message boards was something done by MB to mislead us?

Other than that, I haven't noticed anything odd, but then, I haven't been looking. Push, Nevada is getting all of my in-depth scrutiny!!

Twiggyish

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I watched a tape of the show today. Two things popped out..

First, there were several shots of ants and bugs. (I know this one might be a stretch). The bugs are on the squid and in several other scenes. At the end of they show, Ghandia mentions that Helen drives her buggy. Helen was the one who cooked the squid.
Second, RIGHT before the IC, there is a screen shot of a bird (could be an eagle) then, the camera shows the Sook Jai flag. Sook Jai won the competition.

I am sure there might be other things.

Watch the camera scenes right before something is suppose to happen, such as a competition. Let's see if there is a trend.

Tester

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In the opening of the show where they introduce the survivors, there is a picture of Robb with his mouth wide open and a second one with water running over his face. Immediately after that is a picture of a snake with foam around its mouth and its tongue flicking.

Although we don't really need this clue about Robb, I thought it was interesting.

Hippyt

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone over at Surviiivor is putting together an analysis of the opening credits. How some people are shown with water flowing over them,others with fire.I don't know if he's done with it,but I'd be interested to read it.

Twiggyish

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, let us know. With Mark B, you can't take anything for granted. Which is one reason I LOVE this show!!

Pamy

Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hippy, I saw that too, and one thing I noticed was the water splashed John's face and he was the first one gone! LOL

Dogdoc

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel like I am back on the Mole boards and feeling stupid again because: 1. I didn't know that Survivor had clues and I have been watching sinse S 1 and 2. Even reading the clues posted above I can make nothing of them. I am going to just sit back and enjoy the show without thinking about such things.

Twiggyish

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Dog, you can do that and then read here at what we find.

Car54

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watch for the use of "fire" in the credits. In Survivor, fire=life, ya know.

Dogdoc

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Twig, I'll do that.

Rosa

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 09:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is fasinating and I, like dog, had no idea this was going on. It is great that you all have dicovered this. I will just be quiet and read what you all have to say from week to week on this thread.

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rosa and Dogdoc, anytime you see something write it down. Sometimes a small thing can mean something. If you think we're careful watchers, you should read the spoiler sites..LOL

Dogdoc

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All the clues in the Mole went right by me.I am not one to concentrate while I am watching.This will be the thread for me to lurk at. Thanks Twiggish.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dogdoc...I never pick up on that stuff either. It would mean I would have to focus harder and not multi-task. I don't tape and rewatch either. I do however immensely enjoy watching the discussions about all the symbols and clues and such. :)

Jeep

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 04:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I watched the opening credits again this weekend and I'm not sure they mean anything, but here's what I observed: the survivors that are shown with water running over their pictures are: Jed, Jake, Erin, Robb, Ken, Clay, Helen, John, Jan and Tanya. The shot of John looked like someone threw water in his face instead of just water running over the photo. He was the first one out. There is a shot of a snake after Robb is shown.

Three survivors are shown with fire around their pictures: Shii Ann, Brian and Ted. The fire is very bright on these. When Stephanie's picture is shown, it looks like there is fire flickering BEHIND the photo, not bold and not around it like the other 3. Like Car54 said "fire=life" on survivor, so I wonder about these people.

Two survivors, Penny and Ghandia had no water and no fire. Just nothing put the picture.

So, there it is. Anybody have any speculations about what all this means?

Cas

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 05:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL..Ok I´ve never noticed the symbolism but I find this interesting. After reading this thread I went to cbs site and looked at all the "exclusive" videos of the survivors just to look and see if I could see any of this water and fire. The only thing I´ve seen so far is that in all the video clips it starts with a head shot of each survivor and then goes right into clip. You see that the background in the head shot is where the video is taken. THe only one who doesn´t start with a headshot is Erin. It just has the survivor logo and goes straight into the interview.

Now I don´t think for a minute, at this point, I´d pick her of all of them to win this thing. Just having fun :)

Niceguy

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 06:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Both Erin and Penny haven't really been seen that much. Their obvious physical charms are being carefully saved for keeping male viewers around. Basically, you have four really attractive women in the Chewing Gum tribe.

Steph and Shii Ann might not make it though.

Niceguy

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wrong name for tribe. Soup Gum tribe...I know bad translation.

Lauram

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Niceguy: the tribes are Chewing Gum and Soup Guy!!

Jeep

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 07:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep thinking the name sounds like Chewy Gone and all I have in my mind is a bunch of folks with no teeth sitting around eating mush because their Chewies are Gone!

Pretty bad huh? I just have this picture I can't get rid of.

Chiparock

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just made an amazing discovery: if you play the Survivor theme song backwards, you will hear the startling information "Jeff Probst is dead. His clone appears in his place." (If it weren't for the Beatles, this wouldn't have been noticed.)

o-dee-o-dee-o-dee-o-o....