Archive through October 25, 2002
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Archive through October 25, 2002
Car54 | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 07:14 am     I felt that whole sequence told a lot about Brian (not meaning in a bad way at all!). He is really adept at handling people and they come away from him feeling like they heard what they wanted to hear. I am probably more interested in this guy's game than I have been with anyone since Richard Hatch. I feel like he had a plan coming in and he is playing the game really strategically. He seems to have a really good method of managing stress, and he is very physically fit, but so far has not been really threatening about it. I disagree that he really committed to Ted. I think Ted committed to him, but maybe I missed something. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 07:39 am     Car, I think you are right on that. Brian seemed to agree to an alliance with Ted. I am not sure, now that I think about it. He was very elusive on the boat but *appeared* to agree, Ted seemed to think so too but needed it reconfirmed. When they were dragging it ashore Ted asked him again. Brian replied that they had already discussed it and they knocked fists. I wish I could watch that again. I agree that Brian is the one to watch. I like his strategy so far. |
Webkitty | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 08:04 am     I missed the last show but I agree that Brian (and I think Helen) are the ones to watch. (I completely agree with CAr on Brian, I haven't been as facinated with anyones game since Richard Hatch.) He has impressed me from the start, but I was impressed with Helen's thought process when Ghandia got the boot. This may already have been discussed, but did anyone notice when Helen and Ghandia were walking along the beach and talking about who would get the boot that Helen seemed shocked that Ghandia wanted Clay to go instead of Ted? A light seemed to go on in her head at that point. It seemed to me that she beleived Ghadida's side of the story up to that point, and then questioned it with Ghandia's choice of bootee. I am starting to get a "Kathy" vibe from Helen. Her story line, editing, etc. Although, I feel I can't trust MB's editing anymore after the sneaky way he edited Vee last year (although Richard Hatch did call it) I feel frustrated at MB editing of SJ. I feel like I don't know any of these people! If this keeps up and someone from SJ wins this thing, I am going to have to rethink my dedication to this show. I *think* I like Jake but I can't get a grip on him. Maybe its because I've been distracted lately and on the road, I am taping this week and watching with an eagle eye. More to follow after the show tomorrow. |
Car54 | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 08:12 am     I think if he can remain very low key...not an individual immunity threat, he is going very far. People like him, and they come away feeling like they got what they wanted from him. He also has a lot of self control...his handling of the Helen/Ghandia/Ted conversation was masterful..he stayed very calm, matter of fact, and didn't make any mis-steps. Some great players, like Lex, or John melt down under the stress and ruin their game. I think Brian is going to be very cool. I am waiting to see him go one on one with Ken. I want to see how Ken handles himself under pressure. If I were Brian I would try to get rid of Clay next. He is a nasty guy and he is jealous of both Brian and Ted. He isn't really helping with the challenges or the work, and he has a mouth on him that is gonna cause trouble. Both Helen and Jan can be managed, but I would lose Clay the next time they go to TC. I am also very watchful of Jake. I think he is really trying to take the "Pappy" role, but I actually think he has a pretty strong game plan going. He is doing fabulous for someone his age! I can't believe he is 60 and doing so well... another Rudy...but nicer (we hope). |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 08:26 am     I am watching Jake too. I like what I see so far. Yes I did notice that, Webkitty. I saw that was all Helen needed to feel confident that she was making the right decision. She would have voted her out anyway but but this was a bonus. |
Webkitty | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 08:36 am     Right, Car. I agree about the "game" falling apart under stress. Its the ones that can keep it together until the end that GET to end. Look at Neleh, she had the youthful physical fitness to sweep that last challenge, but she blew it at the final TC with her ditzy answers. Jake: at my age, I don't see Jake as old (Rudy seemd old to me though) and I think he has a robust quality about him that will help him if he makes in to the end. That final endurance challenge is a beast! The thing about Brian is, he seems to see two steps ahead, but seems (so far) be a nice person too. Not Ethan nice, but wise nice, know what I mean? Either that, or he is a REALLY good actor! As far as getting rid of Clay next, I think Brian still needs to go with the flow. Jan seems to be the next target, no? Like I said, I missed last week, but from reading the transcrip and discussions of the show it sounds like Jan is getting on nerves. Glad you noticed that too, Bat. |
Magikearth | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 08:58 am     Fruitbat,you made a very interesting theory about a possible alliance between Ted and Jan..I was thinking that,too but I'm wondering if allied tribe members always vote the same? Ted voted off Ghandia,wheras Jan voted for Clay's dismissal. I guess my question is..do allied people necessarily have to vote the same way? Does anyone have any thoughts on this? |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:18 am     I think it is possible for alliances to vote differently as long as they are sure the outcome they need is secure. Maybe Jan said she could just not vote against Ghandia. She refused to vote against Ted. I think it is unlikely that they do though. I said that in jest. Ted has been seen agreeing that Jan is the next to go with the men. I suppose he could be playing them but I doubt it. |
Magikearth | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:30 am     I guess I doubt it too, but it would be cool if these two had a secret alliance! Ted was Jan's first pick! Not that that means much,just...wishful thinking on my part! |
Csnog | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 12:59 pm     Do you see how we are talking about the Chewies? We don't have an smidgen of information on the Suckies and we are going into episode 7. All we know is Robb, Robb, Robb, MB let loose now! Hidden alliances from the real stars of the show (The Audience) is getting impatient. |
Lycanthrope | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 03:08 pm     Based solely on voting and the few conversations & diaries that discuss this sort of thing, here is my guess at alliances: SJ- Jake, Shii Ann, Penny, Erin, and Ken CG- Brian, Ted, and Clay I think either Jan or Robb is gone this week. If the tribes go in 5 to 5 at the merge, anything is possible. If the Sookies have 6 to Chewy's 4, then Robb is likely to make the jury at least. Scenario 1: Merge is 5 to 5(Robb out)- Vote splits between Ken and Ted. Some new way of deciding ties is formed and whichever tribe loses is pretty much done. Scenario 2: Merge is 6 to 4(Jan out)- Sookies pick off Ted, then Robb, then Brian, then Helen, then Clay. It's a battle for immunity by the final 5. I think it may come down to Jake/Shii vs. Ken/Erin/Penny. |
Csnog | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 04:57 pm     Clay said in an interview 2 weeks ago "not to look for them for awhile at TC". If true then someone from the Suckies tribe is voted off. |
Car54 | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 05:00 pm     Two weeks could be a while. <wanting Clay to go home soon> |
Llkoolaid | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 06:44 pm     Does anyone think that when the teams merge Shi-ann will jump ship and join with the other team. They showed a clip of Ken checking out her loyalty and so it is obvious to me that she is not trusted. I think she would get along well with Helen, Brian and Ted along with Jake. I can see these guys forming an alliance. I see Ken being in trouble if he doesn't win immunity. They will go after him for his strength. Any opinions? |
Wrat1010 | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:29 pm     From the promos, it looks like there possibly won't be a merge yet. From the seating arrangements in the circle, one could speculate that they will reassign 3 Chewies and 3 Suckies to one tribe of Six and 2 Chewies and 2 Suckies to a smaller tribe of 4. Although this would make the sizes of the tribes unequal, it would maintain a balance in numbers between Chewies and Suckies in each new tribe. I think Ken and Shii-Ann are in the smaller tribe with Clay and Helen, with Clay and Helen campaigning to get them to join their side for next week's merge at 9. But before that happens the 7th person would have to be voted out -- perhaps there will be an immunity competition between the two new tribes? |
Joyful | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:38 pm     I really feel that Brian and Ted will stick together especially after the merge. I can see Helen bonding with Shi and possibly Jake. I think Penny Ken and Erin are fixed also. I don't see Clay or Jan as having anyone, they best keep with each other. I see these 2 getting offed quick after the merge. I think Brian and Ted will see both Ken and Shi as major competition. I think Jake has a loose alliance with Shi and Erin. BTW in the promo for next week did you hear Jeff say, this is the week you assume you merge. I think there is going to be a twist somehow on the merge. |
Csnog | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:01 pm     I do not think that Shii Ann is fond of her tribe. She doesnt get along with Penny and Erin. She puts up with them except for Jake. She seems to care about him. She has voted as she has been told, but has "tried" to keep her mouth shut. Shii Ann could be a wild card and slip over to the Chewies on a vote that we ASSUME would belong to the Suckies. Ken is questioning her loyality because he knows she feels like an outsider. Jake, Ken, Penny and Erin are a given. We now know that Brian and Ted have one and Helen could be included. I find it hard to believe that Clay has not made an alliance unless we just have not been given that information yet. Jan? One more person is voted off before the jury. |
Lycanthrope | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:34 pm     Okay we know it's 5-5. But we also know there is a twist coming. I think they mix up the tribes through some contest, probably mental. But it remains 5-5. They stay as 2 separate tribes for 6 days until it's down to 8, then they merge. It looks like Jake and Shii have a bond... It's assumed that Ken, Erin, and Penny are tight...could they somehow scoop up Brian and Ted in a bizarre twist??? It could happen. Shii, Jake, and Helen could make a very strong alliance as well... Clay just needs to solidify something with someone if he expects to last much longer. I really don't like the guy though. This could be some real good television. |
Sia | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:15 am     Wrat, I'm ROTFL at your "Chewies" and "Suckies" names for the teams. My four-year-old last night had me howling with laughter during the show twice. My daughter said during the challenge with the flags, "Why do they all have the name 'Sook Jai?'" She also heard "Chuay Guan" spoken by Jeff Probst and called the team "Chewing Gum." Am I raising two "Survivor"-freaks? You betcha. My kids won't miss the show! They eagerly dive into the bathtub at 7:50 p.m. so I can scrub their hair in a frenzy and have them standing in front of the TV-set dripping wet as the show starts. They dry off and get dressed in their jammies as the show opens--usually takes until the first commercial break! Last night my son's hair had air-dried all spiky and weird because I'd forgotten to brush it while it was still damp from the tub! Ah, confessions of a Survivor-fanatic. |
Fruitbat | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 05:34 am     Wrat, interesting. That would make sense. I think Ted and Brian will keep Helen and Clay for the numbers as long as they need them or can. |
Webkitty | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 06:40 am     I think that there will be trouble down the line with the Ted/Brian alliance. I have a feeling that Brian isn't as pledged to it as Ted is. I think if Brian finds a better deal he will go with it and it will cause a "thing" with Ted. If Brian can survive that, I think he will go all the way. I don't see any alliance for: Jan or Clay, I would be surprized to see either one go far after the merge. I think Penny and Erin are tight, probably along with Ken. Also, I don't buy that Shii Anne will jump the boat. Just the fact that MB showed us that makes me think it won't happen. But, I would welcome any new twists that have not been done before. |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 07:00 am     Does no one think that CG and SJ will vote on tribal lines after the merge? I've seen no evidence to truly convince me that they won't vote that way. I'd be interested in hearing why no one is commenting on that yet. If they vote by tribal lines, alliances within the original tribes will be meaningless for 4 or 5 more episodes as whichever tribe gets the upper hand at the next TC picks off the members of the other tribe. There has been no switch to break up alliances, unless, as Lycanthrope has hypothesized, they have a switch for 2 more episodes and then the merge. That is the only thing that I can see causing them to not vote along tribal lines for the next 4-5 episodes. That's a fascinating idea of a switch for 2 episodes and then the merge, but it would really change the dynamics of the jury because there would be one member who does not get to interact with everyone as a new tribe. I think it will go as planned with a 5-5 merge, a tie at TC and one tribe picks off the other tribe and yaaaawwwn (though I still love it!) MB just wants to make us think otherwise. Remember the huge buildup for the switch!! And what happened? Nada! |
Djgirl5235 | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 09:19 am     This is just my thoughts, and please correct me if I saw this wrong. Last night, at the clips from the upcoming show ie. the "merge"... When they were all sitting around that circle, did anyone else notice that Helen had on body paint on her face & arms? Since she has that on, and the only person to have body paint is Erin, wouldn't that signify that the merge had occurred and the "twist" could just be the new challenge they've come up with, or some twist on individual immunity? Just my thoughts... please comment if you have anything further!!! |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 09:32 am     I think that is definitely a possibility, DJ. People at other boards have hypothesized the same thing... that the merge has already occurred and this is a "new" challenge of some sort. |
Shortnsweet | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 07:48 pm     This week's CBS Survivor videos have some interesting, possible alliance, stuff in them: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor5/show/episode06/s5video.shtml I think "Ken Explains Fight with Robb" and "Sook Jai's banana rule" might point to an alliance between Ken and Shii (and possibly Jake). "Brian explains his position" is really revealing, too. |
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