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Fruitbat

Monday, November 25, 2002 - 05:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, that confirms what we have been saying. Jeff's radio interview implies that he rethinks this bond. Whether she acts on it is a different question. I don't think so.

Hermione69

Monday, November 25, 2002 - 06:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is where I disagree with you guys, I do not think MB is going to give us a strong alliance, that is well hidden, by showing us video footage like this. I'm inclined to think it means there isn't a secret alliance with Helen and Brian, and I was really starting to think there was.

Car54

Monday, November 25, 2002 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right, like we never knew about Paschel and Neleh?

Frankly, both Helen and Brian are tough players who are playing to win it for themselves.

They will be allied with the person they think will take them to the end that they can beat in a jury vote. It is that simple.

It would not be in either one's best interest to take the other to the F2. They need to take Clay.

Hermione69

Monday, November 25, 2002 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But the alliance between Helen and Brian has been hidden so far. They are keeping it secret from the others. Paschal and Neleh never hid theirs. They were wide open about it. So it's not comparable to Neleh and Pappy, IMHO. If it exists, its more like Tina and Colby, but MB gave us NOTHING on those two, so the fact that stuff is starting to be shown makes me think it will end up either being meaningless or doomed.

Car54

Monday, November 25, 2002 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hidden from who? Seems pretty clear..to most of us that they are buds. Helen did not run to just Brian to report on Jake. She did it in front of the others.

Sorry, I disagree on this one. The only one who might think it is secret is Brian.

JMO.

I do agree it is probably meaningless except to stop fueling arguments that Helen is going to break out on her own and do something exciting.

Hope she does, but she probably won't.

Hermione69

Monday, November 25, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, we'll just agree to disagree on this one. I don't think any of the others see Brian and Helen as an alliance, per se, and probably view Helen's action as just being loyal to the original CG. Clay thinks he has the alliance with Brian. Ted thinks he has the alliance with Brian. Nobody knows what the heck Jan thinks. Most people on the boards did not really start widely speculating on Helen and Brian until an episode or two ago. In fact, I remember reading a large number of posts from people who thought she had a secret alliance with Clay. Helen is the dark horse to me. I can't read her at all. I'm speculating that all this stuff is coming out as a red herring and we have a lot to learn yet about this Survivor. I can totally see her winning it all.

Bastable

Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen could be the winner. Like Ted, she's got that crucial quality of past Survivor winners: She's flying below the radar.

She's smart, she plays challenges well, and no one perceives her as a threat. Clay and Brian and Jake are setting themselves up for elimination because people think they're strong. Helen could cruise right to the money because of that.

Squaredsc

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i just went to cbs.com and there is a very nice pic of helen. its a pic of her and jan and brian and clay. she looks a lot softer with her hair down like that.

Azriel

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I lost every bit of respect that I had for Helen tonight. She clearly made up crap and told it to Ted. It makes me sick that she stooped to slandering Clay.

Bastable

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe she really heard something, Azriel. Who's to say? It's been well established on these boards that the producers did a terrible job taping and editing important events.

Curlyq

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How do you know Helen "clearly" made up that stuff about Clay? We didn't see and hear everything that happened there. It's quite possible she heard Clay make remarks that he himself doesn't consider racist. That's the feeling I got from Ted's question asking Clay for his definition of a racist, and Clay did say that he was sorry if he did say anything.

Regardless, I absolutely loved Helen tonight. She certainly made that tribal council entertaining. I love it when these people drop the phony smiles and just tell it like it is. They all had great questions and comments, but Helen really made it feel like those two were on trial.

Ladytex

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not so sure she made it up. If you read my previous posts on this board, I've thought this of Clay from very early on ...

Fanny

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whew, Helen was this year's Sue Hawke!

Bryan

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Unless we are shown a video tape of the conversation between Ted and Helen, no one knows the truth. Helen could say one thing and Ted could "hear" another thing.

Helen played the strongest game of any woman on this episode of survivor. It was very refreshing to see her speak her mind and not sugar coat anything in the finale.

Seamonkey

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 09:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
She asked the best questions.. but still stuck with Brian.. she actually handed him the million.. too bad in a way.

(but I understand why it would be hard to vote for Clay, too)

Kady

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen was still very much bitter tonight. She must be very angry at herself for trusting in Brian. I never understood her loyalty to him. If she had only listened to her hubby and got rid of Brian, there is no doubt in my mind she would have won.

Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was proud of Helen.

I was very surprised that Jeff did not immediately turn to Helen and ask her exactly what she heard from Clay...I felt like something got dropped or they cut away from it. I wondered if there WAS something truly offensive said that the producers know about and did not want on prime time. Seemed like they brought it up and dropped it very quickly.

I thought Helen did a wonderful job of questioning the 2 men. She was deeply upset and hurt, but she stayed very strong and did not back down from what she wanted to know.]

I also give her credit for admitting she made a mistake...when Jeff asked if she would have changed her vote after seeing the show and she virtually shouted "Yes SIR!" A lot of people would not have admitted that.

Clay spit in her face at the jury...at the time, she really did not have a choice...vote for someone who betrayed you, or one who dissed you. And give them both considerably more than you are gonna get. Crummy corner to be in.

Moondance

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen - My FAVORITE Survivor yet!

What Car said :)

Tabbyking

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree. helen was great. i would hate to have had to vote for one of those two creeps! i would have probably had to draw straws...as i said on another post, the only good thing about brian winning would be 'clay didn't win!' and vice versa.

Azriel

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Clay would have said anything they would have shown it. Jeff was clearly putting Helen in the hotseat for what she told Ted.

Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 10:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen, Jan, Clay and Brian will all do press this coming week. I hope someone asks them specifically about this issue and gets the exact details of what Helen and Ted were talking about.

Muse

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was rooting for Helen earlier tonight, but after her jury questions and speech, I'm glad she didn't win. She made some good points, but her bitterness was just too over the top for me. And she was a little hypocritical as well...I'm not impressed with her being so upset about Brian voting her out when she has said in interviews that she was seriously thinking about getting rid of him (eventually), for example. The racist comments stuff doesn't sit well with me either, although I don't think it's fair to say she made that up.

That being said, I do think her jury comments were very entertaining. :) So I enjoyed it in that respect. I don't blame Clay for blowing off her question, either...she had made up her mind. Brian would have had to really tell her off for Clay to have a chance at her vote, and he didn't do that.

Seamonkey

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked what Ted said when he voted.. because Brian DID totally assume that no one else was allowed to have any discussions (Clay also hit him on that) and he and Helen were not plotting to oust Brian, but Clay. Helen had approached Brian about Clay even before Jake was gone.

And I also liked Helen's explanation of why she still voted for Brian.

Seems like whatever Ted says Helen said is also hearsay.. just as Helen saying something Clay said would be..

Clay is slimey and Brian is teflon.. :(

Jan really must have been out of it, she seems to not even know when people approached her. I really think Jan felt undeserving, based on what she said to Helen about never having won a challenge and then what she said to Brian and Clay about Helen being deserving.. so I'm guessing she didn't feel like she should be plotting.

All interesting.

(btw I saw a preview of a snip from our local 11pm news and they showed Brian and CC very much standing together.. the restraining order was lifted (see post from Car in Brian's thread); she just isn't allowed to beat up on him..)

Weinermr

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay did alot of the yellin'
And Brian those cars he was sellin'
The million was won,
But son of a gun,
I sure wish the winner was Helen!

Car54

Thursday, December 19, 2002 - 11:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helen played the game with all her heart. She does not strike me as someone with a very easy sense of humor- I think she takes things very seriously, and this was a big deal for her.

She is also a Yankee...and may not really relate to how a southerner expresses himself. Clay is a talker...that seems to be the thing he did most on the island...and it seems possible to me that he may have said something that meant nothing to him...just talk... that Helen took seriously. If you look at the way she took the Ghandia thing at first...she totally believed Ghandia and repeated what she said to Brian, and until Brian went to Ted and got the other side, Helen was gung ho on G's side.

I just think that is how she is...very straight and single minded and the kind of double-triple thinking this game demands is really hard on her.

To compare the Clay thing to the Ghandia thing...the thing that was different was that with Ghandia, Brian went to Ted and got the other side..then Ted called a meeting and the whole thing got brought into the open.

Whatever she heard or thought she heard... was not discussed until she and Ted were gone...if it had happened on the island, I truly believe Ted would have talked to Clay or Brian about it. Instead there was no chance to clarify or air what may have really happened or been said.