The logic of Paschal & Neleh...
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Julieboo

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone explain (and please do forgive me if there is a thread that has dicussed this already) why they chose to vote John? I know the obvious (his cocky leader deal), but if their reasoning was because Paschal & then Neleh were dumped during the reward challenge at the hands of the other tribe members, why did they pick John? He was dumped before N or P. One would think that the last one standing or even 2nd to last would be voted by N&P, using that logic. I hope I make sense. (did J even cut any ropes of N or P? I thought he only did S)

Sunriverose

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
John was dumped because Sean kept winning the questions, so he got to cut two of John's. I think Vee cut the other one. That is why John was gone. The BIG 4 systemetically cut Sean, Vee, Kathy, then went after N & P. So N & P knew exactly how the pecking order was going to go, and that the best they could do with the 4 was 5th and 6th. The went for the odds that they could get past Sean and Vee or whoever, and end up in the top 3.

Sia

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Paschal and Neleh discussed their strategy, they said that they'd been on the island too long and had worked too hard to settle for a mere fifth/sixth-place finish. They wanted to get rid of John, whom they deemed to be the ringleader--and I think they made a wise choice. I think John was stronger than Tammy and that Paschal and Neleh now stand a much better chance of staying in the game to the end without John.

Julieboo

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, Sun, thanks! Thanks Sia too. That makes more sense now. But if I were them, I'd worry more about Tammy (or Z or R.) Cuz they'd have to know that John was getting way "gomna" on people. (GOMNA stands for getting on my nerves a$$hole). But if they thought John was the leader, then that does make more sense...

Gina8642

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is very clear to all that John and Tammy were taking leadership positions in the Rotu alliance. Notice Kathy's comments about wanting to vote out power - she immediately mentioned John and Tammy.

Tammy won immunity, so John was the clear choice. John also was clearly playing fast and loose with the truth. Not against the rules, but he stated that he would not do that. Made him a hypocrite and thus an easy target for the truth, honesty, god, and country squad of Neleh and Pascal. (Please take that with the humor - as it was intended.)

It is less clear to me if Zoe is seen by P/N (and for that matter K/S/V) as a major player in the Rotu power. I think she was, but MB/CBS has been very cagey about letting us see her actual involvement.

We see Rob and Kathy doubting her. But we are never allowed to see any converastions with Tammy/John/Robert/Zoe.

Only time will tell with Zoe.

Llkoolaid

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think one of them actually said that they wanted to break up the power of John and Tammy like they were the ringleaders so Tammy could be going next. I don't know who to pick.

Hippyt

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah,except that the vidcaps show Tammy with the necklace on Again for next week!!!

Llkoolaid

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Gina, we posted at the same time, I knew someone said it about Tammy but wasn't sure who.

Hippt, could the picture of the immunity necklace be on her way to the immunity or just before Jeff takes it back?

Sia

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point, Kool-Aid; Tammy might simply have been photographed wearing the immunity necklace on her way to the next challenge. Anyway, I'm remembering more of the Paschal/Neleh conversation (I don't tape the episodes, so I have to rely on memory) now. I felt, at the time, that after the reward challenge (in which tribemembers cut down each other's coconuts) Paschal and Neleh clearly saw that they had numeric superiority right at that moment--provided they voted with Kathy and Vee and Sean--and that their best hope of breaking up the power-bloc of John/Tammy/General/Zoe would be by joining forces to eliminate John. Tammy is perceived as a weaker threat; by voting off the most intense opposition, John, they did the smartest thing they could. I do think Tammy would be their next logical target; this, however, would be a moot point if, in fact, Tammy wins immunity for a second time.

Seamonkey

Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Another reason for choosing John was that Kathy,
Sean and Vee had already made it clear that THEY wanted to vote John out, so that was in their minds.

And then Tammy had immunity.

Llkoolaid

Monday, April 22, 2002 - 04:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah that is true Seamonkey, I think Tammy is going next so I have to change my vote.

Twiggyish

Monday, April 22, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you all are on to something here. Tammy might be the next target.