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Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, everyone keeps typing A-A. What does it mean?

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My take on when Kathy decided to vote Sean off:

I think she was planning right up until the last moment to side with Sean. She kept trying to calm him down, like, don't WORRY Sean, I'm keeping you, quit going on like this! But Pappy kept pushing those buttons, and Sean just was stuck on high gear.
I also think that she didn't really try that hard for the SUV (like Pappy) I think she has alot more strenght left in her than she is letting on, great game playing. As far as a last endurance challange, even though Sean smoked everyone else in the RC, I think she feels confident.

I watched this part of the tape again this morning, trying to have a neutral perspective.

Pappy saw an opening and ran with it. He was downright mean, and at the time, I think he really meant it.
I also think he was fighting to stay in the game for NELEH, no other reason.
I really don't think he cared about winning a million dollars. He knew her chances of staying were better with him there. The "non" alliance.

Micknrc

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
African-American, Groochie.

apparently merely saying the word in conversation amounts to "playing the race card"

Sean and Vee were never supposed to notice their own skin color, hope that no one else did either, and Pappy and the Pea thought it was in very bad taste for them to even mention it...

Kaili

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He just said the word as he put his vote for Sean in the box. It really bothered me- moved him down my scale in the order I like them.

Wink

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Micknrc you ROCK.

Twiggyish

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty,I get the same impression. Somehow, I think he cares enough to hang in there for Neleh. It doesn't excuse his behavior nor his "cultural" comments either. Southern or not, he clearly has prejudices.

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I honestly think Kathy knew it really did not matter which team of 2 she picks.

Either way they would target the remaining partner, then she would be the third one out.

The way she chose seemed to me to be based on :
1. The "drama"- the next 3 days will be less stressful
2. Physical strength
3. She technically does not alienate anyone on the jury. No one on the jury is allied with Sean, and she fulfilled her obligation to P&N for keeping her instead of Gina, remained a Rotu, did all the textbook stuff.

She really just needs to focus on the next 2 challenges, it really does not matter who she goes up against with the jury, unless she really screws up and offends someone in the next TC, she is golden. The only thing that concerns me slightly is the friendships Neleh seems to have made with several booted players.

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Micknrc & Webkitty. I never would have guessed. I was sitting her going An - Asshole, An- AntiChrist, etc, etc.

I think I need to go get another cup of coffee and go plug my brain in.

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I missed the confederacy statement, back to the tape.......

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, I think Sean will take care of that.

Wink

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car I think you are right on with that analysis. And much as I would like to see Neleh or Vee gone, Kathy seems to have the ability to see past the next step and weigh many possibilities. Grooch I hope you're right.

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She showed that with her Robert decision last week. Keeping him would have secured her for one TC, but in the long run would not have done anything and might have cost her. She has the ability to wait things out. She must have learned that while she was there..she started out very impatient.

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Pappy held up his card to vote Sean off he said: A great competitor. In a deadpan way.

Twiggyish

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How can she win against Paschal and Neleh? Neither on of them will EVER vote against each other. You know they'll be taking out Vee next, then Kathy better watch out. If she doesn't break up the Pappy/Neleh alliance, there will be no winning this game.

Bananaclip

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought I heard Pappy say something like "great confederate" but my boyfriend told me he said "great competitor."

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember hearing great competitor.

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Banana, just watched that part over several times: He said competitor, not confederate

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I had the closed captioning on, also. If I saw "Great Confederate" scrolling across the screen, I would definitely have taken noticed and remembered it.

Bananaclip

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Opps sorry webkitty, I didn't see your post about it above mine. I knew I misheard when my b/f told me. It was easy to hear confederate after all the comments Pappy made last night.

Faerygdds

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK... had another cup of fresh roasted coffee... I think I can approach this in a saner manner...

I think I'm just so darned disappointed... I mean.. to THINK... just a few weeks ago I DEFENDED Pappy... gave him the benefit of the doubt...

Remember the ep John was voted out.. Paps said the if S/V won he would be sickened... I defended him to many people saying.. I think he said theat because they (S/V) are old Maramuu, not because they are black...

and now I look back and go... UGH... so much for EVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok ok ok... smile and breathe :)

Forget it.. I'm going for more fresh roasted coffee... (thanks to those on here who got me started!)

Edited to add: Why do I have the song "Roll on" from the modern musical "Parade" running through my head?

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Banana, no problem.

Kaili

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I must have heard wrong but after the other comments I didn't even think to listen again. Plus I watched late at night and was tired. I figuered that's what he said. Thanks for clarifying. I still think race affected/affects his views of Sean and Vee though

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Faery, please bring me back a cup.

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh no! Faery's into the fresh roast again!

I think I need another cup too, but all I have is instant in the house

Faerygdds

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OH NO webkitty... I will NEVER drink anything other that fresh roast again... I have been SO tainted by this experience... I had NO idea what real coffee tasted like until I roasted my own... yummy yummy goodness!!!!!