SuperSpoiling - Kathy Vavrick-O'Brien
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Weinermr | Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 11:48 pm     On Rotu tribe Basic Wardrobe Light blue tank top Lavender sweatshirt Off white shorts Khaki shorts Blue buff small pierced hoop earrings glasses - dark frame, on string around neck On the ship coming to the island she is sitting next to someone in a dark blue shirt, whose face you can't see (we later learn this is Paschal) You can't see her face, but she is turned away from the group. A brief glimpse of her again, while in the hold of the ship, again turned away from the group. When they are on deck preparing their raft, she helps to untie the water canisters. While on the raft, there are several shots of her paddling hard, smiling, joining in the general spirited nature of the group. She is in the front of the raft, and she continues to paddle, working hard, rowing together with the group. She helps drag the raft to the shore, hugs Neleh Announces out loud, "Our tribe is Rotu!" She is with the crowd, opening their crate, saying "Yeah!" Says, "Oh my God" when she sees the magnifying glass First task is to light the fire. She is in the thick of things, crowded around the fire materials, blowing on the embers, trying to get the fire going... Tells everyone it wasn't going to work, points to setting sun, cheers on others still attempting to light the fire... John gets discouraged, critizices Kathy for being the "skipper". Everyone is too tired, no fire first day, everyone discouraged. Day Two Kathy leads the way to the water, wearing lavender sweatshirt, buff, light shorts, glasses around neck, still wearing earrings. She finds the water. Says that she is worried about being assertive, doesn't want to be the "blond bitchy person", says she is not, but only gets that way when she sees that a critical job is not being done. Is worried about fire… wants to work on fire immediately when they get back to camp until it's lit. Fire is the most important thing. She is riling everyone up. She is with Zoe, John, arguing with Robert...Zoe puts her arms around Kathy, tries to calm her down. Paschal huffs and walks away. Kathy is frustrated that the fire is not started. She is crying, tearing, and walks away. John now is angry and is fixated on starting the fire. Kathy has walked away. They start the fire, and they call Kathy back. Everyone crowds around without her, start hugging each other. When she returns, she is hugged by Zoe, and John. John offers her water, and high fives her. All is forgiven. Later, Kathy leads the way to the tree mail. Takes out message, hands it to Gabe. On the way to the immunity challenge, she is walking with the group, next to Paschal at right end of group. As they show both tribes being prepared by Jeff for the IC, the many shots of both tribes avoid showing her. She is at the right end of boat, second from front. As the IC transpires, there are very few shots of Kathy - fleeting glimpses of her. When Rotu wins, Kathy is off by herself, standing between Tammy and Zoe. She hugs Gabriel who is holding the Immunity Idol. On the promo for Show 2, Jeff says - "A hungry tribe competes for the kill, but it's Kathy that finds food". Kathy is running, stops, and calls out - "Get out here, I'm serious!" Conclusions Kathy is an extremely hard worker, does not hesitate to state her mind, pitches in, is in the thick of things always. She knows what needs to be done, and prefers to do it herself. She gets in trouble when she tries to tell people what to do, because they take her direction as being bossy. I think she is naturally on the solitary side, but is friendly, and genuinely wants to bond with her tribemates. All this may be moot, because many (most) think she is the next to be voted off. We shall see. |
Awareinva | Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 06:29 am     Super Job! It is so cool to see each different focus on an individual. I think it will help a lot to ferret out the alliances. |
Julieboo | Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 08:17 am     I like how you added the "conclusions" part! |
Moondance | Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 02:39 pm     Great stuff MusicMan |
Urgrace | Monday, March 11, 2002 - 07:25 pm     It looks like Kathy has been a Survivor fan and has been trying to get things done in order for her tribe to get ahead. She could have been a contender but threatened her place in the tribe because she showed she is a strong woman and consequently taken as abrasive and pushy. She is also competition to the men's place in the 'society', which prompted Gabe to scold her and bring out her vulnerability. |
Crazydog | Monday, March 11, 2002 - 07:52 pm     Whoa, urgrace, I wouldn't go THAT far as to say that they don't like her because she is a strong woman. As I said on an earlier thread, it's not the fact that she is a woman that makes her abrasive and pushy. It's the way she says things in that screeching voice, the way she forcefully spits out her words, the way she snaps at everyone, and the way she whistles them over like dogs that makes people say she is abrasive and pushy. No one on that team, both men and women, seems to like her. When she found the clams and whistled at them, all of them had a "what the !@#$ does she want now" look. There is nothing wrong with having a woman leader. Gretchen was certainly the leader of her tribe. Alicia was very strong in everything. But part of being a leader is getting everyone to respect you. Gretchen had the respect. Hunter has the respect. Kathy has zero respect. But it has nothing to do with being a woman. Just my opinion. |
Sabbatia | Monday, March 11, 2002 - 08:13 pm     I have to agree with Crazy here. I don't think it has anything to do with her being a woman. She is abrasive! He's right about Alicia being a strong woman, and MOST people like her. On the other hand, Jeri was an abraisive woman, and most didn't like her. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Besides, I don't necessarily see her as wanting to get things done because they need to be done, I see her as wanting to get things done so that she can be seen as important. You don't see Gabe or Neleh saying "look at me, I won a challenge for us!" If it were Kathy, she wouldn't let you forget it. Maybe it's going into the game as an older woman, and feeling like she to prove her worth, maybe she's like that all the time, but nobody likes to be whistled for and nobody likes somebody that likes to toot their own horn. |
Urgrace | Monday, March 11, 2002 - 10:23 pm     You both have a right to feel disrespect. Society calls for it, and I probably didn't say exactly what I mean. Kathy is not a bad looking woman, but she lacks in the feminine role. Her heart is in the right place [Tammy, Neleh and Zoe supported her with words or hugs]. Her efforts to feed the tribe have been the role of the hunter not the chef [which infringed on John's hunting capabilites]. She has neglected to make a place in the tribe socially [Gabe and Paschal both tried to put her in her place even if it was tactfully]. A woman cannot whistle like a man - it's socially distasteful. These are all social behaviors which go against her because it is not politically correct. IMO I don't think she "screeched, spit out her words, or snapped" at anyone. I know she hollered when she was out in the bay so that everyone could hear her calling them, however I don't think that makes her abrasive. She was excited to find food and wanted to share with the others [Look what I found. Get out here] If they had been put off by that, why did they all run out there? The editing could be doing her an injustice just like what some people think is happening to Sarah. At any rate without respect and social standing she is toast. |
Weinermr | Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 11:52 pm     Sorry this is so late folks. It's been quite an intense week. Better late than never as they say. Kathy - Episode 2 Additional Wardrobe Tan long pants, white long pants, lavender t-shirt, blue buff, sturdy shoes, sandals, straw hat, light blue one-piece bathing suit. Night 3 Rotu. Everyone is rubbing shoulders, massaging backs, talking, laughing looking at stars, hugging, making positive statements about each other. Kathy is off by herself, alone, by the fire. It is noticed that she is off by herself. In the morning she takes off by herself, looking for food. Tammy and Gabe discuss Kathy being by herself, remarking about it. Kathy is alone, talking about food in ocean. She says she is looking for credibility, they will listen to her when she tells them about "about the miserable hut", and take her seriously. Then Kathy whistles for the others. She is finding shells, very excited. She is called "borderline abrasive and condescending". She says, "let me explain", and tells how exciting it was to find food. She is excitedly telling the others about flipping rocks and finding the food, and the others get excited about it too. They prepare and eat the raw seafood (why didn't they boil it first and then shell it). Kathy talks about how everyone was excited and that the seafood buffet lifted everyone's spirits, but notices that no one thanked her. She tells everyone, "you see what happens when you think outside the box"? Another scene later. Kathy whistles, calls everyone to a meeting to show them her "goodies". Says, "This is what I want to do for you guys. I want to feed you so we can all win. I'm good at it. Maybe because I lived by the sea." She tells people what they aren't doing correctly. She says she wants to feed everyone, so they will win. She says she wants to get to know everyone, doesn't even know what Paschal does. Gabe tells her that she doesn't know anyone. She says all she wants is a roof over her head. She is near tears. Everyone pitches in to build a shelter, which is a priority for Kathy, they all work on it. They raise the flag that Paschal brings. The shelter goes up, and again she is at peace. Reward Challenge Rotu is standing in a line, Kathy is between Robert and Paschal. She is frequently near or around Paschal. They are both the "older" tribemates. She dives into water, helps turn boat over. Helps bail water as others climb in and paddle. Helps paddle. She is at the rear of the boat, by Paschal. Rotu wins, . Her hands are in the air, and Paschal runs up and hugs her. Later. John, Neleh, and Kathy head to treemail. She is wearing white pants, light blue tanktop, buff, and a shell necklace of some kind. As Neleh reads the treemail to the group, Kathy stands behind Paschal, next to Robert. At Immunity Challenge As Jeff explains IC, Kathy is standing between Neleh and Paschal, with Robert's arm draped over one shoulder and Gabe's over the other shoulder. She is smiling, laughing, cheering for others. She does well in her part of the challenge. The scene of Kathy with Vecepia on the other tribe is extremely short, and they both show their tongues quickly. Rotu wins. They show Kathy's hand on Neleh's head as Neleh holds the idol. Kathy helps Neleh lift the idol. Conclusions Several scenes of Kathy rubbing people the wrong way, speaking in a way everyone finds condescending. However, she is always helping the group, always participates, is at the center of every activity. I don't think we are being shown the whole story. Kathy is always hugging, being hugged, high fiving, helping out, doing group things, working hard. No one ever hesitates to stand next to her, or to cheer for her. She is frequently near Paschal, and there may be some kind of alliance going on that we have not seen. Remember that in S3, Frank was abrasive, rubbed many the wrong way, yet stuck around for a long time. I am not so sure that there aren't others who will get voted off before her, because she seems to be such a useful member of the tribe. She seems to have tiffs with the others, which blow over, rather than being a continual source of irritation to everyone. Of course she may self-destruct, but if she gains some confidence she may stop trying so hard, and stick around awhile. |
Awareinva | Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 09:06 am     Great insight! I am actually doubting my "Kathy off" vote for tonight. I think I'll leave it, but you may be right that we are being led to believe that Kathy is worse than she is. But who would go, if it's not Kathy? It all depends on those darn alliances and we haven't seen enough of Rotu to decide where they fall. Maybe tonight. |
Weinermr | Wednesday, March 13, 2002 - 12:14 pm     Aware, maybe Robert is next. He has looked pretty sickly along the away, and hasn't seemed to contribute more than the minimum to all the challenges etc. But then again, it could be an obvious choice of Kathy!! Oh the madness! LOL |
Judy | Friday, March 15, 2002 - 05:56 am     Thanks Weinermr...Kathy is one to watch...just keep your hands in your pockets around her  |
Weinermr | Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 09:36 am     Episode 3 Rotu Morning Day 7 Kathy is sitting by the fire, putting on her black sandals, wearing shorts and a gray sweatshirt, wearing her ever-present buff. Telling everyone, “I’m drying everything out”. Shelter leaked during the night. Kathy says, “We don’t even have blankets. Though its cold at night. Blankets make all the difference in the world. So it’s hard.” They decide to rebuild and reinforce their shelter. Kathy directs someone to bring some fronds to cover the doorway of the shelter. Gabe says being with Kathy the first couple days was hard, and now she has turned it around. Kathy says she has, “switched it around, low key, go with the flow, not worry so much.” Kathy and Robert exchange pecks on the cheek and both are smiling. Kathy is smiling. - They both mention food. Later, John gets stung, begs for someone who has to pee to pee on his wound. Kathy, wearing same outfit as above except long off-white pants instead of short, runs past Tammy and the others. In confessional, Kathy says Paschal tried to pee and had “that performance anxiety thing” and she makes a laughing, embarrassed face, says, “it was just good timing I had to go to the bathroom”. Scenes of Kathy kneeling on ground and John’s arm underneath her, and she is laughing while he has a pained look on his face and she pees on his hand. In confessional she says when she was pulling up her pants she “suddenly got very embarrassed”, but that at least she “performed in the call of duty”, and she was laughing, a bit embarrassed, but extremely good-natured about the whole experience. Raft - Pontoon Boat - Kon-Tiki deal Scenes of Rotu, pitching in to drag supplies to beach. Robert’s toe gets sliced. After John fixes up Robert, Kathy is near, asks Robert how he’s doing, she says, “thumbs up ,way to go……good”. Robert is not annoyed or bothered by the question. (Now an important sequence of scenes and events, in which timing is obscured, and Kathy’s presence is either included or omitted, seemingly purposely by the editing) 1. Later, after a commercial, scenes of Rotu, building their craft, various angles, moments, a lot of Gabe voiceovers, etc., showing the tribe pitching in, helping, building, but nowhere in any of these scenes is Kathy to be found. She is not shown at all in this sequence. I don’t know what this means, if anything, but she is absent from the footage. (They switch to scenes of Maraamu building their raft. Then back to Rotu.) 2. Inexplicably they show earlier scenes of Rotu building their raft, after we’ve already seen the completed craft. Kathy is not seen. 3. But in the voiceover, Neleh explains that while “a bunch of us were out gathering shells today”, John sticks his hand under a rock and an eel bit him. The raft building scenes show John momentarily, and the shell gathering scenes also show John, but I think the implication is that this happened sometime during the process of raft building, when not everyone was needed for this. Kathy is shown briefly in the shell-gathering scenes, bent over, turning over a rock. 4. When they go back to camp and fix up John’s injury, Kathy is not seen or heard in any of these scenes. Again, I don’t know what this means. To sum up this sequence of events, Kathy is not shown at all in the raft-building scenes, is shown momentarily in the shell-gathering scenes, and is not shown at all in the return to camp scenes. She is seen in 3, but not 1, 2, or 4. Timing is obscured by the editing, and Kathy’s presence or absence is also made unclear by the editing and timing oddities. Reward Challenge Kathy is on right side of raft smiling and cheering with her tribemates. Order on right side from front to back is Neleh, Zoe, Kathy, John. On left side is Tammy, Robert, Paschal, Gabe. Then Neleh and Paschal sit out of challenge. During challenge - Kathy helps John haul in Box 2. Kathy paddling hard as always. Kathy helps John with Box 4. She is paddling steadily and evenly. Gabe hauls in Box 5 and they all paddle hard , and in a race to the finish, Rotu wins. You can hear Kathy’s voice, she says, “wait wait….. who wants comfort, raise their hand”, as the tribe chooses the comfort rewards. In two brief hugging scenes right before the commercial, we see Tammy and Robert hugging, then Tammy, John, Paschal, Gabe, and Neleh. Zoe and Kathy are absent from these hugging scenes. Immunity Challenge Gabe, John, and Neleh retrieve treemail. Back at camp as treemail describing IC is read, we see Gabe, Paschal, Tammy, and John. Kathy is not seen. Walking in single file to IC, in order we see Gabe, Neleh, Kathy, Paschal, Zoe, Robert, John, and Tammy. Standing in two rows as Jeff takes immunity idol from Gabe, in front are Gabe, Neleh, Kathy, and Tammy, in rear are Robert, Paschal, John, and Zoe. Rotu has to sit out 3 people, and they pick Tammy John and Robert. Kathy is not excluded. First round, Gabe calls, Neleh, Kathy, and Paschal on ropes. Second round, Paschal calls, Neleh, Kathy, and Gabe on ropes. Third round, Zoe calls, Paschal, Neleh, and Kathy on ropes. Kathy in center as group hugs. Kathy is behind group as Jeff hands immunity idol to Neleh. Arms around Zoe and John from behind as group hugs again holding idol. Conclusions I don’t think editing choices are made randomly. In the first couple episodes, Kathy was shown frequently, made to look like an annoyance, and a risk to be voted off. Suddenly she is rehabilitated, no longer irritating the group. But if you pay attention consistently through the first 3 episodes, she is one of the most hard working, able performers on either tribe. You may be put off a little by her personality, but she is a bit insecure, and simply tries too hard. I think she realized very early on that she WAS trying too hard, and all she had to do was be herself and that would be enough. I believe big things are in store for Kathy. We have not seen much on Rotu in the way of alliances, because they have continued to win challenges, and have been one big 8 person alliance. But as time goes on, and certainly after any merge, they will have to start splintering off into smaller allied groups or alliances, and Kathy’s ability to adapt to this process will bring about her continued success or her ultimate failure. |
Urgrace | Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 03:48 pm     Good job Weiner. Kathy was very proud of herself when she could 'perform'! What did you think about the preview for next week in which Kathy has tears in her eyes? |
Awareinva | Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 06:44 pm     Good summary! I am actually hoping that Rotu goes to TC this week just so they get more air time and we can start to figure out who is allied with whom! I again voted Kathy out- but that seems the obvious choice and last time we didn't get that "gimmie" from Mark B until Ep. 5 (Linda). Hmmm....may have to change my vote...... <aware wanders off aimlessly muttering"Kathy? Sarah? Gina? I just don't know....."> |
Weinermr | Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 07:27 pm     I feel like a hostage with Stockholm Syndrome. Since I've been SuperSpoiling Kathy, I'm the only one that has any faith in her, and doesn't think she is toast next time Rotu has to vote someone off. What a crumby situation. |
Kitty | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 09:49 am     Weinermr - don't feel bad or alone.... I picked Kathy to win the whole thing!!! |
Weinermr | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 10:03 am     Thanks Kitty. It's good to have some company! |
Meme9 | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 10:19 am     I enjoyed your summary Weinermr!!! Thank you |
Awareinva | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 03:22 pm     I did change my vote (prior to acme's prediction too ) to Sarah. I really do like Kathy better than all of the Moo's. Keeping my fingers crossed that MarkB's interference won't hurt the "love tribe" |
Car54 | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 03:40 pm     Aware, I actually put more stock in the fact that TDT and Survivor News CHANGED their votes after posting Kathy. TDT is the site that put the Varner spoiler out there, so for them to change means something. |
Weinermr | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 05:03 pm     Go Kathy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy the show!!!! (well I don't mean Kathy will go, I mean Go Kathy! ....... oh never mind) |
Car54 | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:15 pm     Go Kathy indeed...you are the only one on Maraamu with half a brain... sorry I voted for you twice. |
Moondance | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:18 pm     Go Kathy!!! |
Knightpatti | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 08:24 pm     I agree GO Kathy! The rest are a bunch of followers. |
Weinermr | Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 09:32 pm     Go Kathy!  |
Awareinva | Monday, March 25, 2002 - 08:00 am     Kathy needs to take a chill pill. She is starting to remind me of Krista on BB2- I'm not sure why. I thought at first maybe she was trying to lose the IC and get rid of Sarah (who would totally get on my nerves), but when I rewatched it looked like Kathy was really trying. I think I would keep Gina over her....wonder if Neleh and Pappy will? |
Squaredsc | Monday, March 25, 2002 - 09:31 am     hmm krista?? possibly but i think krista was too wishy washy with no common sense. kathy has common sense she is just too pushy and overbearing to me. if they lose ic this week i think she will stay and gina will be pagonged because of that original rotu love fest. unless she really ticks neleh and pappy off. oh by the way how are they doing the tie breakers this season, anyone know?? |
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