Did Kathy lie to Robert?
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Nessietessie

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 05:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know Robert has not been too popular
with many on this board, but he seems
like he is a very nice man, altho moody!
He was always
working and kept busy.

I am shocked that Kathy voted him out.
Didn't she tell him that she was going
to be in an alliance with him? Did she lie?

I was not impressed with her son.
He seemed like he was acting that he was
too good for the surroundings. When he was
leaving with Jeff on the boat, Kathy was
waving like crazy, and he did not wave back.

She was my favorite remaining player,
but if she did lie to Robert, she has
slipped in my opinion of her. What do you
think?

Car54

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she lied to him. I think they discussed their options but she left the discussion uncommitted.

I totally understand why she made her choice...it is a risky one but very strategic.

Watching Robert on the Early Show it seemed like he totally understood and expected her vote.

I thought her son was funny! He was very up front about being a couch potato and not understanding why his mom wanted to play this crazy game. He just wanted a good meal and a shower! He will be seeing her again in 9 days at the most anyway...maybe sooner!

Realtvfan

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't think I heard Kathy directly lie to Rob.
She certainly did not give him her "word". That's reserved for Pappy.

Kathy was certainly walking around the question about who to vote off with Rob. Given that Rob eventually voted for Sean and not Neleh, he was not expecting the Neleh vote that he and Kathy discussed.

I'm just wondering about Rob's final comments at the end that he was paying close attention to who said what and he was going to remember that in the vote. Who was he speaking to at that point? Was it Kathy, or potentialy something previous that did not end up on TV?

Kathy's son appeared to be a 20 something year old who was definately not born with the adventurer gene to inherit from him mother. Kathy is an amazing lady. Her son appeared to need to few more years to develop an understanding and appreciation of his mom. I also felt very bad for Kathy with that scene at the boat.

I do think that Kathy made the correct move for Kathy by voting off Rob at this stage. She may be in the driver seat to the final three. There are multiple scenerios that benefit Kathy here subject to IC. She can side with Sean-Vee or she can side with Pappy-Neleh.

Julieboo

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ANyone else think that K&R should have voted out at least one of the two remaining mini alliances? How did losing Robert help Kathy?

Seamonkey

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rob seemed to be saying on the Early Show that it was his pride that didn't let him really pursue an alliance with Kathy. He certainly didn't sound like he blamed her or anyone else.

I thought her son was thrust into a situation that was awkward.. having to do confessionals.. I'm sure they were pressing him to talk, he wasn't spontaneously complaining. He was honest that this wasn't his type of gig :) and I certainly wouldn't want to eat that stuff just for fun.

Seemed like Patrick got a lousy patch of weather for his visit.. so he didn't get to enjoy the waterfall.. just got bitten by the no-nos and got to grub around for Taro root and crush slimey creatures :)

I was really interested that Patrick told Kathy he didn't like seeing her the way she was acting.. all wrought up about voting and alliances.. maybe she decided to go with the flow for another week? (this being a fairly major intrusion into the thought processes of the group by MB.. just like the increasingly pointed comments and questions of JP this season..)

Sabbatia

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she lied to him, since he voted for Sean, obviously he knew it wasn't going to go for Neleh. Personally, I think had they voted her off, she would have broken up one of the little groups and she would have had a darned good chance of being in the final three. As it stands...who knows?

I really didn't like what I saw of Patrick. It was only one night, so it shouldn't have been that big of a deal for him. He can miss a meal without it killing him.

Grooch

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He's a teenager. That's the way teenagers are.

And I bet it must have been pretty disturbing seeing your mother so skinny and dirty and half starving. And he probably had jet lag.

I don'tthink it is fair to pick on him. He is a kid and not a contestant.

Also, I give him some credit for telling his mother that he didn't like the game and he thought it was screwed up. Instead of telling his mother to screw everyone over to win the money.

What I thought was interesting was why did the general vote for Sean out of everyone there.

And I don't think Kathy lied to Robert. They only showed us part of the conversation. She could have gone to him later and told him that she was sticking with the original alliance.

Willi

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree with you about Kathy's son, G.

I don't think Kathy lied to Rob either & it sounds like (from his interview) he doesn't hold a grudge.

The only thing I can come up with for the Sean vote was that he would be re-joining the jury soon (his alliance) & wanted to hold to that alliance to the very end.

Or...Maybe he flipped a coin.
:)

Grooch

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point that Sean was the only one from the marshmellow tribe that he could vote for. I bet that is why. Loyal to the end. :)

Wink

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Are last week's votes for Vee and this week's for Sean a message from the Rotu alliance that if a Rotu and MooMoo are standing at F2 that the Rotu will get the vote?

Julieboo

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>Also, I give him some credit for telling his mother that he didn't like the game and he thought it was screwed up. Instead of telling his mother to screw everyone over to win the money.<<

Good point, Grooch. I'll give him credit for that!!!

Mygetaway

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert voted for V last time, Sean this one. Maybe they still don't know that the votes don't count in case of a tie. Did we get verification on that? I can't remember. That way he was kind of saving Neleh, and Pappy, because they are the only ones without votes, right?

Neko

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grroch, not all teenager's are like that!

I would have loved to spend a night there!!
That No-no juice wopuld have been on me in a second of course too.

But then again, I've seen what it's like for a while...this would have been Patrick's first taste and glance at Survivor life.

So I'd know what to expect, he probably didn't.neko

Sia

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SeaMonkey mentioned how "pointed" Jeff Probst's questions have been this season. I think he's gone beyond asking pointed questions: it's like he's LEADING the Survivors to draw certain conclusions. I really think his questions are written by MB in order to try to direct the voting!

Julieboo

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 03:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I agree with that Sia. I don't like that he seems to be interfering to a degree....

Joan

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 04:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Patrick did seem pretty nonplussed by his stay with the Survivors. Kathy was a little overly loud and obnoxious around him though. She seemed so fake almost. I wonder what things would have been like had someone like Neleh's mom or V's husband won?

Hippyt

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Jeffy TC questions are the absolute worst part of this show!!! His questions are so pointed ,and the answers are usually either boring or lies. (alliance?? I don't know nothing about no alliances Jeff!)
Last night,I had a pen and paper while waiting to hear the votes,when Jeff started talking I started scribbling,blahblahblahblah. Can it already,Jeffy!

Car54

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you read the transcript of Robert's web chat today at Survivor Fever, he says that Tribal council could last as long as 3 hours in real life and we see less than 10 minutes. He says that Jeff really provokes a lot of discussion and asks very thorough questions.

I remember some of the players in S3 saying the same thing.

I think the discussion is very heavily edited to build toward up the suspense and make us anticipate the vote even more.

We all know I am a HUGE Jeff fan...I would like to see more of Jeff, not less. I like his input and the way he handles himself- he has a difficult role in the show.

Ark

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert said in his chat that the only reason he voted for Sean was because he couldn't vote for Vee.

Hippyt

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 05:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh,I love Jeff! I wish they'd let him do the reunion shows. I just get impatient wanting to hear the vote.

Muse

Friday, May 10, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to say that I actually liked Patrick quite a bit. He seemed a little uncomfortable with the situation and all the cameras, but he was nice enough to humor his (overly giddy) mom. He was also given a lot of chores to do, and did them without question. He was friendly to all the other Survivors...and was *very* honest about the fact that Survivor wasn't his cup of tea. As someone who doesn't even enjoy camping, I can understand someone who doesn't like sleeping in the woods, getting dirty, eating bad food, and getting bitten alive by bugs. :)