Archive through April 03, 2002
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Archive through April 03, 2002
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 07:29 pm     I just want to get one right! Although I could win the race to the bottom spot. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 07:45 pm     Question In that JP interview I was re-reading he says religion plays a role. He says something like 'if 4 people tell you it is going to effect how the vote...' Ok, so that is four people taking their religion so seriously it may effect their voting method. I count: 1. Vee 2. Sean 3. Neleh 4. ??? Who is the fourth religious person? Am I forgetting someone? BTW - I'm interpreting this 'religion becomes important to the game' in a positive way. Maybe some players bring religious ethics/beliefs in to the voting process. Not people of different denominations coming to blows over differing views of/on religion. I've seen the later possibility bandied about some on some threads - I really hope we don't see it. I've seen enough of it on the news lately to last me a million lifetimes. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 11:03 pm     Gina but then she was praying with Paschal, Neleh and Kathy.. |
Joan | Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 11:18 pm     John went to a Lutheran college and ministered as a liturgical clown. |
Whoami | Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 11:23 pm     In a post boot interview, Gabe said Paschal was his spiritual leader, or something like that (It's in the Gabe's Post Boot thread). |
Moondance | Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 11:43 pm     Paschal also included the bible and said how important his religion was in his video. So I would say it was Neleh, Vee, Paschal and Sean. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 03:46 am     There is praying going on in both tribes. But there are not 4 to tell anyone anything if the JP quote applies in that way. Where is that quote anyway? Kool? >>>Gina has expressed her dislike for her old tribemates and therefor they know that she is less than likely to side with Sean/Rob/Vee so there best chance at a strong alliance is with Kathy.<<<<< This makes no sense. I agree that they will stick with old bonds but I am not sure they would not be safe in taking Gina because of what you said. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:03 am     Fruitbat, what I was trying to say was that when the tribes merge if Paschal and Neleh want to be in the bigger alliance and don't want to align with John who now has 4 they would want to keep someone who would be willing to align with S/R/V. Gina won't so I think they would take their chances with Kathy . I can see it being Paschal,Neleh,Sean/Rob/Vee against John ,Zoe,Robert and Tammy with Kathy and Gina as the swing votes. If Marummu loses immunity this week, Paschal and Neleh will have to think about who will best serve them when they merge Kathy or Gina. They have the best chance of making a 6-4 split with Kathy. I really think Gina has made it clear to them she does not care for S/R/V. Anyway, hope that explains better what I am thinking. |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:13 am     LL, there are vidcaps of the RC this week where the Mara's find out about Gabe, and P/N/K are clearly shocked. On Rotu, John is positioned exactly in the center of the group and has his arm around 1 switched Maraamu (Sean) and one old Rotu (Tammy I think). That has to make an impression on Gina and the Maraamus. Rotu is clearly putting on a show of unity. If I was Gina, I would have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. Hard to tell if N/P/K realize that S/R/V are now clearly part of Rotu, but if Maraamu has to go to TC, then they have to think about who in their group is going to give them strength at the merge. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:14 am     Yes it does. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:17 am     I will add that I don't think it is likely that they are thinking beyond getting back with Rotu and being whole again. They have no idea what is going on in their absence. Thoughts of aligning with Sean/Rob/Vee to overthrow their old friends seems remote at this point. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 05:37 am     We were also shown scenes of John and Rob fighting, or disagreeing(sp) so I am thinking that Robs group will approach Paschal's group to consider aligning. I think the alpha males S/R, would feel that they have more control with Paschal than with John and will want to get rid of John asap. I think that because they are much more physically stronger than Paschal group they would be more likely to want to merge with them and pagong John's group therefore when it is down to the last 5 or 6 they have a better chance at individual challenges. Fruitbat, I agree that they are probably not thinking about it now but when they see that Gabe is gone they are going to be doing some heavy thinking about what is going to happen to them after the merge. I just think that Gina would not be as much of an asset to Paschal and Neleh as Kathy would. I think that they have to realize that Rotu is just putting on a united front but there are actually two groups there. Paschal is a smart man and should know that he has to keep his options open as to which side to align with after the merge. I just think with Kathy he has choices and with Gina he won't. I don't know, the more I talk about it the more confused I get. |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 06:14 am     i have a question, do you all really think that pappy and sweet pea are thinking that strategically?? granted they really didn't have to think very hard as far as voting of sarah, it was pretty obvious. but i don't think we have seen anything showing that they are really thinking strategically down the line. hope i am saying this right, it sounds logical in my head but may not when i write it. does anyone understand what i am trying to say?? help!  |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 06:22 am     You know Square the whole last survivor I was wrong because I assumed people would do what I thought they should and what I thought made the most sense, and I am probably doing that again. I don't think that they are thinking that far down the line now but I think when they see Gabe gone who I think Paschal was aligned with then I think they will be forced to start some heavy thinking. I don't always make my point well either Square, like you it makes perfect sense in my head but when I type it out I don't always make my point clearly. We all just have to do the best we can, I usually get asked to explain myself which is no problem and I like when people question my way of thinking in plottin and plannin. The more we toss things around the better idea we have how to cast our votes. So far I haven't got a bootee right yet so my advice is don't place your bets on my thinking. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 07:33 am     I bet Kathy has an inkling as to why Gabe was booted and will share that. Gabe nailed her early on about her working for food and fire. He said there were other things that were more important. He named communtiy and sharing things about themselves. I suspect she was not all that fond of him and is glad to see he will not be there. I am with you Kool. We see it all and the logic they cannot. We also do not experience the day to day drama which plays a huge part in their votes. If History repeats itself they do not think very far down the line. I think Rotu is assuming Gina would go and Pacshal and Neleh will again be with them. And I think they are right. I see pagonging ahead. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 07:35 am     After the merge and old Mar is gone it will get interesting again. There will be a lull as Sean and Rob get picked off. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 08:25 am     It is hard to say what is going to happen after the merge but if the old Rotu is back together again I think we will see Rob and Sean go and then John and Kathy, I think Vee is going to hang around for a while. You never know, Marummu just might win immunity again this week and Rob or Sean will probably go or and I think this is highly unlikely the old Rotu might see it as a good chance to get rid of John and figure they still can re-align with Paschal,Neleh and Kathy and have control. I think Zoe and Tammy and Robert might just have a game of their own going on. I thought Zoe and Gabe were tight and I was surprised to see her vote him of. I am still sticking with Gina off, I gotta be right sometime. |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 09:37 am     just had another thought after reading what ll said, >>old rotu might see it as a good chance to get rid of john...<<< that is a good point, and they might not have another chance at getting john off, look how the S2 were stuck with colby and he was winning all of the ic's. if i was zoe, tammy, and robert i would be thinking that we have a chance to get john off by aligning with sean/rob/vee and when the merge happens pappy and sweet pea will be glad that we avenged gabe and we can pagong. does this sound logical?? and this could also mean that rotu may throw the ic.  |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 09:45 am     Makes sense to me square. Now I don't know what to do. Gina or John? Guess it depends on who wins immunity. |
Grooch | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 09:51 am     Is John the biggest threat of winning individual challenges on that team? |
Moondance | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 09:57 am     I think Tammy or Zoe are a bigger threat to win challenges. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 11:33 am     Yeah, Tammy and Zoe are probably bigger challenge threats but I think John proclaiming himself as leader and how well others think they can trust him will be his downfall |
Webkitty | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 11:59 am     I don't know Moon.... John seems to "want it" awful bad....I can see him trying full tilt to win each and every IIC. He will have to, after leading the charge to vote off Gabe, he won't be on P/N/K list of favorite people, I wouldn't think. Something that comes to mind here. All through S1 I kept saying to my husband that Richard Hatch was going to win it (I SWEAR its the truth!) Its in the editing, who get the most "face" time. I kept saying, what, is this the Richard Hatch show? I felt like I was experiencing Survivor through his eyes, then it hit me. I also picked Tina to win S2 for the same reason. I kept thinking, WHY is SHE getting so much face time almost every episode. Colby is the clear front runner...... Then it hit me again, she's going to win it! (I swear, I swear) S3, I picked Lex, but he DID make it to the final 3? Now, look back to the very beginning of S4. The Rob/Sean story line is to reel viewers in, much like the "brat pack" last time, I'm sure of it. Who else has consistantly had steady air time? Zoe? who's that? Robert? same. Nehla? ditto. Pascal? nope. Tammy? I don't think so. Vee? ummm, no. John? Maybe. Kathy, getting warm... Gina! She's been featured, even for a little, in every show. She's hung in there, persevered. She's not my fav, but she HAS had consistant air time, WHY? I know it doesn't make sense, the jury will probably be original Rotu members, for the most part. They could pick one of their own. Something is going to happen....... Well, now that I've made a total fool out of myself..... watch her get voted off this week! I just had to get my "big theory" in before the end of this game, even if I'm wrong!  |
Moondance | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 12:02 pm     It's a good theroy Wkitty... As far as John... I guess I have seen more Zoe and Tammy being strong in the challenges... they seem to do them and John and Robert seem to sit out more than any of them. |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 12:18 pm     but John and Robert have had injuries I think if they don't boot John, he knows he is not beloved...he is going to do a Lex run at immunity. Zoe is the best bet to beat him...she is really strong and seems to be fast. |
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