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Hippyt

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 04:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah,Car,I checked further into it,I think it's a shot of Rob and Paschal standing together during some challenge,looks like they're in line.
Thanks,squared,glad you didn't run away.

Squaredsc

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 04:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks yuhuru. oh yeah we need a villain or we wouldn't watch. and rob does look like snidely whiplash from dudley dooright(sp) with that mustache.

Discoinferno

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I love Sean because of his funny comments.

Underdog

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i've taken some time out and watched survivor 4, im not a big fan of this whole format, although i have noticed that this format does cause great discussion among my co-workers. after reading these asinine quotes that have been posted, it really disturbs me to see that once again blacks and whites cannot interact without bringing up one's color on this site, in this case sean's.

apparently hunter is/was seen as the great white hope while sean, because he is rather outspoken and just as independent as hunter, is seen as a pest. which once again underscores the fact that some whites still seem to have a superiority complex. why is it necessary to include race in this GAME, what all of you seem to be forgetting is that this is a game and the man/woman with the best strategy is going to win. if that includes lying, cheating, or what have you then that's the best strategy, not whether you are black or white.

what is even more disturbing is that blacks are seen to be good athletes when it comes to certain sports such as basketball, running, etc. while whites are seen to be better athletes when it comes to aquatic sports, strategic games, the so called elite activities (one's that require a great deal of thinking). From what I have seen no one mar is good in the water sports. Take notice the rowing techniques of all the members of mar is very subpar, so how can you use sean as the scapegoat when everybody on the team sucks, including hunter.

having had a career in the armed forces you would think that hunter would be a very good strategic planner, a very good manipulator, and a tremendous leader of which he proved to be none cause his team has not won a single event and his a@# is out, while sean who is the loud angry black male, is still alive in the game.

in all honesty that whole team sucks, the whole da@# team sucks. Hunter was lousy, sean is lousy, sara shouldn’t be there, rob might actually be the brightest one out of all of them. Vee is so far in the background that you tend to forget she’s there, and gina is busy trying to have a liason with hunter that they can’t concentrate on what’s most important, the game itself. Lets face facts, if ever there was a sorry group of individuals put together, this group has to rank up near the top, while all lot of the comments have been race based, lets look at the whole picture here. The team sucks. The only group that could possibly be worst than this group would be the gang from seinfeld.

Llkoolaid

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In defense of Scarlet because I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt I don't think she was slamming Sean because of the " We rarely see black basketball coaches on survivor" comment, I chose to take it as slamming MB and his obvious stereotyping of black males. We are being shown shots of Sean laying around while others are working, and given the impression that he is lazy and hostile. I don't remember once seeing a shot of Hunter resting which I am sure he did. Sean is a Junior high school teacher, ( they all deserve medals) and he also spends time with extrcurriculars like basketball and drama, and his work with homeless shelters are not at all the picture of a lazy man to me.

I didn't like Sean's racist comments but then again I don't have anyway of understanding his life experiences so he may be justified in assuming he has to hold back and not be himself and play another game. The black men on all survivor shows have been portrayed poorly. Gervase and Sean as lazy and Clarence as sneaky. There is more than one side to a story and on survivor that is all we get, the one side MB thinks gets the most entertainment value. For the life of me I can't understand why everyone loved Tom who to me was a red-necked homophobic bigot.

Ok I am done, I will get of my soapbox now. Sorry

Moondance

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 07:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nice post Llkool... funny because Sean was the one who brought race into this... this site and the members have always been understanding and supportive... we were having fun with some of the material that Sean has given us... we have ragged on Rob... does that make us racist toward idiots?

I found Scarlets comment more of a slam toward MB... it is his third basketball coach casted!

Llkoolaid

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The world needs idiots like Rob, they make the rest of us feel so darn superior.

Grooch

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 07:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<in all honesty that whole team sucks>>

Amen.

Llkoolaid

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly, they never played like a team from day 1, and I think that is why they have yet to win.
On the other hand it is so much easier not to be bickering and fighting and blaming others when you are winning everything and haven't had to worry about voting someone off yet. I am sure Rotu has their own dirty laundry with lots of alliances and sub alliances that we just are not seeing yet.

Muse

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Aw, I liked Hunter. I think I like Gina, although we still haven't seen a whole lot of her. And I didn't even mind Patricia that much. But I dislike Sean. Mainly because it's hard to sympathize with someone who complains that he's not seen as the alpha male in the tribe (the tragedy! ), and who seems to give up during a challenge (it's not the improper rowing technique - it's that he virtually stopped rowing entirely). And I'm willing to buy that he's not the hardest worker in Maraamu, too.

Underdog, I think I'm missing your point somehow. Hunter didn't comment on race, and that's not why he disliked Sean (rather, it was the laziness - the same reason Hunter cast consecutive votes against Sarah). Only Sean has mentioned it on the show, and he didn't even make it that big of an issue. Sure, the fans have - but that's mainly because we've so often seen the stereotypical "lazy black man" on the show. I'm not sure if it's the casting or the editing (maybe both?), but it's getting a bit tired. Only Clarence seemed to be the exception. MB should be on the lookout for a hard working black man for S5, IMHO.

Anyway. I think Sean has commented on not being that good in the water (?). People (Vecepia, Gina, Patricia) have admired Hunter's leadership abilities, but Sean hasn't seemed to have contributed much in terms of survival knowledge or guidance. And if people in the military should be better at Survivor, Frank would have been popular with the mallrats in S3, and Kel of S2 certainly wouldn't have been voted out when he was. Also, I don't think there's much evidence that Gina has voted and acted the way she has just because she's looking for a relationship with Hunter. Patricia also liked and formed an alliance with Hunter, but that doesn't mean she had the hots for him, right?

I also think race, like pretty much anything, can be used as part of strategy. Like Sean and Vee seem to have bonded over a number of things, including race. And if there was a racist contestant in the cast, a fellow contestant could play up on that to manipulate their vote (or votes against them). Maybe that's not right or fair, but it could happen.

And finally - I think the reason why people think that whites and blacks are better at different sports is based on the racial representations in professional sports. Like you see a lot more African-American pro basketball players than African-American pro swimmers. That's not to say that a black person can't be a great swimmer, or that a white person can't be good at basketball, but it does indicate that race (and upbringing/culture) *often* does play a role in what sports/activities a person might opt (or have an opportunity) to pursue. And it kind of explains why people might confuse ability with experience.

Okay, that was my very long two cents. :)

Car54

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 01:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hunter's attitude after his boot reminded me a lot of Clarence. Clarence put a lot of time into preparing physically for the show...he worked out, gained weight...he was the one who used his warpaint to help pump up his attitude...but his
fate was sealed really early in the game due to "people" issues. After his boot, he said in interviews that he was totally unprepared for the "soap opera" aspect of the game.

Hunter has said he thought he was secure because his value to the team was so obvious...he was very strong, athletic, hardworking...that they would see how important he was to them.

I think sometimes these guys don't realize that most of the game is about endurance, not strength, and wit...not intelligence.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 04:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kool, Moon, Muse and Car, good posts. We saw Kathy get in trouble when her focus was on "survival" rather than personal connection too. Physical prowess is only part and equal to team building and bonding.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 06:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I LOVE SEAN 'CAUSE OF HIS ABS

had to throw in one of his physical attributes. i love to see a man with a six pack, i absolutely start drooling when he shows it.

Moondance

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 11:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great post Muse!

Julieboo

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Underdog, I, like Muse, don't get your post either. I think you are reading too much "race" in this. Maramuu is sucky and it has NOTHING to do with race. Sean is lazy and does not contribute, and I would say that whether he were white or black or asian or eskimo.... I agree with what Muse says, so I won't repeat it here.

Julieboo

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 12:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Underdog, I, like Muse, don't get your post either. I think you are reading too much "race" in this. Maramuu is sucky and it has NOTHING to do with race. Sean is lazy and does not contribute, and I would say that whether he were white or black or asian or eskimo.... I agree with what Muse says, so I won't repeat it here.

Julieboo

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Under,
You wrote <<after reading these asinine quotes that have been posted>>
I find that very insulting!

Underdog

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
muse, i am not going to question anybody's work habits except sarah, "I've/We've" only seen clips of each player at different times, so to say that hunter is more productive than the rest even more specifically sean is totally unfounded. in no way do i think that sean is a genius. i don't even really like sean but just the thought of the black males who have appeard on this show to be thought of as lazy black men while others are seen as intelligen, hardworking, loyal (although some have pointed out that tom was a "bast@#!") is purely offensive. whether or not thats mb's doing or just america's perception.

so in defense of hunter, will somebody please point out his great plan 'cause im missing it. did he walk on water, did i miss that, did he turn water into wine? i don't necessarily dislike hunter, i just thought he was one of the louder idiots.

and in respects to sean, he gives you much to dislike about him, that new york tougher than thou attitude, combined with his racial opinions is enough alone to dislike this guy. but to be pictured as a "lazy black male" really burns my b*lls we are only seeing these people in a few seconds of site bites and sound bites. so dislike sean for all the other reasons that he gives you and don't jump on the stereotypical bandwagon.

Llkoolaid

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
six packs and lazy don't add up to anything but biased editing.

From what we see of Sean, I don't like him (except his abs) but I don't think we are getting the real picture of anyone. I don't know why or if he is just edited this way but if that is what MB thinks we want I am insulted by his opinion of the viewing public.

Hippyt

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 07:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well,Underdog,you aren't going to make buddies anywhere by calling our posts asinine.But,we're a fairly tame group here,so I have a question for you?
You said you have watched some of Survivor 4,have you watched any of the other Survivors?
Reason I ask is ,this is a Survivor FAN site,and a very small one.Many of us have watched every episode of all 4 series.We like to talk about it with each other.And,we're pretty familiar with each other,so we're not afraid to talk race .
We also know that the producer of Survivor has over and over shown us the 'stereotypical portrait'of the'lazy' black man.oh,wait,3 lazy,1 thief!
I won't speak for anyone else ,but I'm personally sick of it. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he isn't American,and he thinks that's what America wants to see.I don't know.Maybe next time he'll throw in an Asian to do everyone's laundry...
Anyhoooooo,My point is,if you haven't watched all the shows,don't jump into the middle of a community and call us asinine!Because,you just may be wrong.

Lilliegirl

Tuesday, March 19, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sean has abs but he has never tried to win anything, no rocks from the boat and I could go on and he was the one to bring up the race thing and he was the frist one to talk about Sarahs boobs when he did not even know her, so I didnt like him from the first show and still dont like him. Clarence took it like a man even though Ethan thought he was a threat. Sean is a wannabe but he will never make it.

Julieboo

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think we can or should blame MB. People are people, some are black, some are white, some are lazy, some are not. Do you really think that people send in tapes with themselves looking lazy and then MB picks a black, lazy looking person. Come on.

Mindyrama

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it's not just editing..Hunter was asked who was lazier, Sarah or Sean. He said Sean. I don't care what color he is..he's lazy or is at least being lazy on the island. I don't just base my opinions of people by what I see on the show, I also read interviews with other tribemates, interviews with the Survivors etc... I think Underdog is just trying to push some buttons. I find his/her accusations asinine!

BTW- I like Hunter because he seems like a hard worker and really enjoyed being on the island. He didn't play the game well though, because he wasn't thinking strategy as he should have been. But he 'seems' like a decent person. This is not a race issue..it's an attitude issue.

Julieboo

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Mindyrama for being honest. I agree with your post. I also think some buttons are bring pushed and I don't think we should ignore them or walk on eggshells....

Moondance

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
GREAT post Mindyrama!!!