Episode 10 Spoiler
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Cliotheleo | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:35 pm     Pamy, I agree. After watching the previews on tape over and over a few times, I don't think it's as bad as it seems. Both Sean and Neleh are clearly very happy in those previews (although Neleh IS crying, it's a happy cry.) I read in another thread (the one titled "Episode 11") that it may be the families coming for a visit and after going back to watch the preview, I tend to believe that's the case. I don't think it's something tragic at all. Pappy's comment could easily apply to that scenario. It was Vee who slipped, but she seemed to catch herself, I don't think she fell completely off of the limb. |
Moondance | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:45 pm     Nice play by play MsMonkey |
Tksoard | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:49 pm     Yes, Sharebear, that would be the positive side, but this week we will hear so many different sides and be so confused again. I hope it's a video. I like your two cents!! |
Egbok | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:24 pm     I believe "oh my heck" is a Mormon term. Anyone? Anyone? |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:47 pm     http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0941214680/inktomi-bkasin-20/104-0028355-4651966 Maybe this is her favorite book?? |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:53 pm     Egbok!! you were right!! Oh My Heck, Flippin' Fetch Isn't Really Swearing, Is It? By Bob Mims The Salt Lake Tribune (Saturday, 29 April 2000) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You slam on the brakes, rattling both your car and nerves, when yet another rush-hour idiot cuts you off. And as the air-conditioner conks out and you roll down the window to choking exhaust from the bus in the next lane, you can feel it coming. Irresistible, the rage rises from that hot knot in your stomach, accelerates through a growling throat and then explodes through your lips with volcanic fury. It is The Word, and it escapes in a rolling bellow at the Fates: "FUDGE!" Welcome to Utah, where even profanity is done in moderation. To be sure, more hard-core cussing is no stranger to Utahns' ears. Still, in a state that is 70 percent Mormon, a plethora of less-offensive colloquialisms have been crafted to satisfy the urge to verbally vent. Open your ears and it won't be long before you hear "Oh my heck" ("Oh my freaking heck," for especially notable occasions). "Oh Gash." "Oh my holy crap." "Dang it." "Judas Priest." "H-E-double hockey sticks (or toothpicks)." "Oh yeah? Well you're a horse's p'toot." The rejoinder could be, "Am not, but you're just ignorant" (pronounced: "ignernt," and meaning not so much mentally vacuous as just plain rude). "Ah, scrud . . . suds . . . sheesh," might be the appropriate counter-reply. But the favorite substitutes flirt with the acknowledged Mother of All Swear Words, the utilitarian four-letter Anglo-Saxon standby that begins with the soft "f" sound and ends with an abrupt consonantal click. There is "Flip," and like its X-rated progenitor useful as noun, pronoun, adjective, verb, adverb or space-filling modifier. An example of the latter is Mapleton resident Roger Comstock's recent admonishment of his City Council: " . . . when it comes to replacing our Police Department, abso -- flippin' -- lutely you need our permission." Don't forget the aforementioned "Freak" and its variations, or "Fetch." Gordon Allred, an English professor at Weber State University, offered yet another soft-core "f" word candidate. "One of my friends who returned from a mission to France . . . was addicted to the word 'funch' with such variations as 'funchy' and 'funchin'," he recalled. "He used the word so frequently, in all three forms, that I finally nicknamed him 'Funch.'" Allred's own mission, some 50 years ago in Canada, found creative LDS Church missionaries fond of "Scrud," and for special emphasis, "Scrud Oh Dear!" The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, asked for comment on the Mormon euphemisms, skirted clear of direct condemnation. Spokesman Dale Bills would only say that the faith "teaches its members to use language that lifts and inspires others and that honors God's commandment to not take his name in vain. "Church members are encouraged to avoid the use of profanity and any foul language that shows a lack of respect for God, self and others." That being the case, Alexander Baugh, an assistant professor of Church History and Doctrine at Brigham Young University, defends "alternative words" as an acceptable means of expressing intense feelings. "After all, 'heck' takes on a whole different feeling than 'hell.' I don't see that [heck] as profanity in itself," Baugh said. "No one would condemn me or gasp if I said some of those [substitute] words instead of the real four-letter variety." However, the late J. Golden Kimball might smirk. Memorialized in Utah folklore, the Mormon general authority was called to the First Council of the Seventy in 1892 and spent the next five decades lacing his talks liberally with "hells" and "damns." Among dozens of "J. Golden" stories is one in which LDS Church President Heber J. Grant tried to tame the former cowboy-turned-elder's tongue by writing a radio speech for Kimball and ordering him to read it. However, once on the air, Kimball struggled with Grant's handwriting and finally exclaimed, "Hell, Heber, I can't read this damn thing." Baugh admits that had Kimball substituted "heck" and "darn," it just wouldn't be as funny. Still, the days of swearing Mormon churchmen has passed. "There is no way today that any type of that language would be acceptable," the professor said. Perhaps not, but that does not eliminate the desire indeed, the need to "express deep emotion by breaking the linguistic boundaries," said John McLaughlin, an assistant professor of English at Utah State University. "Within this community the main profanity words still carry a strong social taboo against them much stronger than other segments of society, or even other segments of the country," he said. "However, people here still need the emotional release of words that flirt with the boundaries." Marianna Di Paolo, chairwoman of the University of Utah's linguistics department, agrees that local euphemisms may skirt the realm of the truly obscene. The intent, though, is the same as that behind the words that may have led to a bar soap snack in years past. "We all know that 'heck' means 'hell,' " she said. "When someone yells, 'Fudge!' we all know they don't mean, 'give me more chocolate.' But we tolerate it in this society because we feel that next to the other words, it's not that bad," Di Paolo said. Still, there is a danger that someday even "fudge" through its repeated usage as a sort of PG-rated expletive will also be a word no longer uttered in polite society. "In years to come, we might wonder how this word that means 'chocolate confection' came to have such a horribly profane meaning," Di Paolo said. "Well, we would find it was by sound identification [with the original F-word]." |
Mygetaway | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 11:31 pm     I don't think that Neleh and Pappy had a chance in *heck* to bring anything back from their adventure. I agree that this reward seemed to be all about the Visa promo and nothing else. They didn't even get to sleep in the nice clean beds. Paschal didn't even get to shave during his shower. I watched the promo several times too, and it looks like Robert and Sean in the tree over their hut. It seems as if Sean catches himself. I think you can see V in the background. As for the other part of the promo, I at first thought that this must be the episode where they see home videos too, but maybe not. I also noticed they all looked pretty skinny this week. One other thing I noticed, Robert called the pig a he, but I thought it looked like a Mother pig, with hanging tits? Anyone else see this? So Neleh was the Princess after all? Hmmmm.. |
Whoami | Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 11:32 pm     I agree with the others here who think the clips of them crying may have something to do with their families. They look like they are in the range of "happy, forlorn, love," type crying. When Vee slips on the branch, she catches herself pretty good. I also don't think the ground is too far below her. If she drops down to the ground after catching herself, I don't think she'd have a high risk of injury. Glad to see Tammy gone. She did march off in a bit of a huff though, didn't she? Didn't even wait for Jeff to say "time for you to go." Guess she's gotta make her statement. Maybe she'll have a good jury speech ready, especially if it's Sean and/or Vee in the final. There's a lot more arrogance of inferred superiority in her judgement of people (as opposed to Paschal's method of judging people by their morals and actions). |
Car54 | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 12:02 am     Trying to remember other Survivors, and I don't think Lex and Tom had a chance to bring back food, but when asked about the reward, as I recall they talked most about Tom being drunk and about the balloon ride, NOT focussing on the pleasure of a bathroom and food, etc. The foolish thing was going on and on about the food and about how good it felt to bathe...Pappy did not do too much of that, he endulged Neleh but didn't really offer much. She is very young. If I had to guess, I would say Robert is next as a clean-up. Tnen begins Final 5, and we have the intriguing "Tale of Two Cities", Right now I would rather go up against Neleh than Paschel with the Jury. Next week is Marquesan Vacation...wonder what that is about? If I was on the jury, I would not vote for anyone who offered to let me suck their used mint. Good person to carry along. People remember their most recent impression of someone...Sweet Pea a little sour now. Don't tell me Tammy is not going to fill John in on this. |
Kizz | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 05:19 am     Honestly, I don't think Vee deserved to go with Paschal, she totally quit on that challenge, didn't even try!! I knew immediately that he would call for Neleh...I thought it was cute how excited he got that he could help his "little daughter" And I thought Zoe looked like Chynna!! She dwarfed John! |
Spygirl | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 06:24 am     I agree, Kizz. Why should someone who worked their butt off have to take someone who climbed on the deck and didn't even try to dive for the first shell??? Maybe she thought whoever won would take her and she didn't need to try. |
Webkitty | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 06:40 am     I was thinking that too, Spy. Pappy gave a great effort and I don't fault him for choosing Neleh. It looked to me like Vee just gave up w/o even trying. |
Grooch | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 06:51 am     I disagree. Neither Vee or Sean are good swimmers. I think Vee knew she wouldn't get past the second round and neither would Sean. So she let Sean go for it as a morale booster. Even Jeff was carrying on about Sean winning it, even though Vee quit. It was a definite moral booster. As to whether Pappy should have picked Vee or Neleh, you can't fault him. He had 2 seconds to decide and he said the first thing out of his mouth. It was a reflex to pick Neleh, so none of the others should use that against him. Sean really cares about Vee and he is atuned to her feelings. If it was Robert's birthday, I wonder if he would have felt so strong that Pappy should have taken him. |
Webkitty | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 06:57 am     Grooch, I think we agree about Vee, just saying it in different ways I didn't carry my reasoning along as you did. My bad! |
Wink | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 07:43 am     Spy I don't think Vee thought whoever won would take her. They didn't know until Paschal got on the boat that he could bring someone with him. I don't fault him for bringing Neleh either. They have bonded closely and of course he would want to share this with her. Sean and Vee have the same close bond and I think if Sean had won he would have chosen Vee whether it was her birthday or not. |
Twiggyish | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 07:54 am     Speaking about the jury, I almost didn't recognize John. Don't you know he's got some "debts" to repay. I wouldn't want to face him, if I voted him off. Zoe is a force to reckon with, too. |
Wink | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 08:11 am     John certainly cleans up nicely. He's a very handsome young man. I think he admires the concept of outwit, outplay, outlast and I don't think he'll hold any grudges. |
Twiggyish | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 08:28 am     Wink.. well I hope not. I'll agree he is handsome. |
Juju2bigdog | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 08:44 am     I absolutely did not recognize Zoe when they brought in the jurors last night. My mind went blank trying to figure out who that woman was. As far as Vee quitting on the reward challenge, you never know, she might have swallowed a mouthful of water coming back up. She might have got scared being in such deep water, could be any number of reasons. |
Seamonkey | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:34 am     I thought she knew she wouldn't win, and gave up, but I think part of it definitely was so that Sean could make at least another round. Zoe should have posed like this during the TC just to intimidate them  |
Spygirl | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:51 am     Very true -- I don't think Vee actually thought someone would take her (except Sean), but I do not think I would have chosen her to go since she didn't try the challenge. Especially not if I had worked as hard as Pappy did. |
Spygirl | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:00 am     Interesting though....this was Seamonkey's recap of Tammy's appearance on the Early Show: She wasn't surprised that paschal chose neleh for the cruise, said no one but maybe vecepia was. |
Squaredsc | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:07 am     yeah spy i caught that too, i can't remember if i mentioned that somewhere or not. wonder why she thought vee was surprised? also her and vee seemed kind of close since the switch and merge, what with vee doing her hair and the hugging and all. but tammy did say she wasn't there to make friends and really none of them are. but if i had won the challenge i would take the person i was closest with, not who i thought worked the hardest, but that's just me. |
Kaili | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:14 pm     One thing I noticed when Pascal picked Neleh and they were leaving...Kathy said "How sweet" but she seemed MUCH less sincere than when she said the same thing about Pascal and Sean. She actually sounded really bitter. Kathy was shown very little in this episode...I wonder what she has been up to. |
Seamonkey | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:25 pm     Standing on a rock with a spear/club looking for a slow shark to slam. |
Yuhuru | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:52 pm     IMO No one other than winner deserves the prize. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:17 pm     I agree Yuhuru, when you win and have to pick someone to go with you are put in a bad position, but it is an added twist. |
Yuhuru | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:58 pm     I like the twist LL. A lot of us here wanted to decide who most deserved to go with Pappy. The bottom line is that it's a gift no one really deserves it. I would have been totally surprised if he had picked someone else. I think the others would have questioned his motives as well. |
Seamonkey | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 04:41 pm     Totally agree, Yuhuru.. no matter what he did or did not do, it would have been questioned and besides he just chose the obvious person for him. Everyone knows he is allied with Neleh, that is a given.. if he took anyone else, they'd say he was recruiting, or kissing up or god knows what.. I'd rather eat dinner with her than anyone there. |
Alaskagal | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 04:52 pm     I don't think he picked Neleh because of an alliance. The look on his face when he got to take someone was priceless, they have a definite bond and it was cool that he was every bit as excited as she was that she got to go. I would have been disappointed in him for doing anything different. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 05:02 pm     I believe what he said about not even thinking about it, just calling Neleh's name. Sean would have taken Vee and Robert would have taken Tammy. The only one who would have a hard decision would be Kathy, and then she could have gotten away with a birthday gift to Vee. Shouldn't they be having a bidding one for food soon. |
Seamonkey | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 05:11 pm     I meant that the alliance he has with Neleh is unbreakable because of friendship. |
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