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Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL!!!

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Twiggy, she has to win immunity the next two times. We know she has been paying attention to all the former players, and she has been on both tribes so she knows everyone but Peter, Hunter and Patricia. Vee is the only player who is better equipped for that challenge, and I am not sure how good Vee is at the non-physical challenges...she has not shone at puzzles and memory so far, but maybe she is a "people" person.

I think Pappy is having trouble concentrating and he has been pretty bad at everything but the underwater running thing, so unless he finds a fish to eat, he is probably gonna crap out, and I think Neleh THINKS she is good with people...heck she thought she and Sean had a close bond. She might luck out, but I if it is Fallen Comrades, it is down to Kathy or Vee, and Kathy does better under pressure, I suspect.

We also have the "tie" option... it could go 2/2 and if Ms Bat is right, the jury might get to decide, and I don't think the jury is goin for N&P!

I heard competitor too! Why the heck would he call Sean a confederate?

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Faery, this is how lazy I am in the morining.

I have one of those hotshots by my bed.

Every night before I go up, I put the instant coffee in a cup w/sugar, and place in under the hotshot.
That way, when I wake up (if you can call it that) all I have to do is reach over, push the button to get hot water, and then drink.

After that kicks in I can manage to stubble out of bed to get downstairs to make another cup. ~serious problem~ and not a morning person gets new meaning!

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
er, stumble, not stubble

Bananaclip

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I thought I heard something like a tribute to being a great confederate. Not calling Sean a confederate.

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, you just reminded me of something from last night.

Kathy said that Pascaul was tired and weak. That he wsan't really a threat to her because he didn't have the energy to mentally think stratagy wise so he wouldn't be pulling any surprises on her.

That might have been a major reason for choosing Sean to go.

He still had the mental energy to pull surprises.

Kathy is very good at this game.

Seamonkey

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, there is a clip on the cbs website that shows Neleh and Sean talking in a rather friendly manner.. and Sean doesn't paint Neleh as an enemy, or Paschal as a racist in his interviews.. the interviewers do..

It must be somewhat of a burden being from the south where your comments are heard through a filter that expects them to be racist..

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, Kathy is our girl!

I am nervous tho, over at SS, they are saying that some viewers got the impression that Rosie may think Neleh won. Dammit!

Spygirl

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When I typed it in chat, I thought he said "tough competitor", but someone else thought he said "confederate", too.

On all this...I just want to say that believing Pappy is racist because he is a southern judge is just as racist as any other label being suggested on this show. Of all the things I've read in this thread, that was what I found the most personally offensive.

Sia, your post at 6 something last night was right on. You said it better than I could have. I agree with everything except that I do not believe Jeff P was responsible for Sean's outburst -- only Sean is. I say this because he lost it at the campfire discussion when there was no Jeff around to ask him questions. He seemed to be a hotheaded player who was mad he wasn't getting his way and finds that yelling is the only way to make a point.

Pappy was exactly right when he pointed out that Sean was apparently trying to sway other people's opinions (because he got so mad), when all Pappy was trying to do was express his own. You'll see this a lot around here -- people get very angry and heated when they are trying to convince other people they are right and other people aren't being convinced.

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Pappy and Neleh (and to some degree Kathy) made assumptions about Sean and Vee based on their skin color...that they might have a bond beyond the game.

I kind of think it was as if Sean, Vee and Kathy decided, Pappy must be a racist because he is from Georgia. Same kind of stereotyping.

I am not really mad because of anything racial...I am mad because of the comments made this episode and in prior episodes about people "deserving" to win, and about how if someone wins it is "sickening". We can argue about what context those things were said in, and what the meaning was, but the choice of words was at best indiscreet and unpleasant, and does not reflect well on the person who said them.
I got the impression that Pappy and Neleh were unable to see that they were doing the same things that Sean and Vee were doing, and that they think somehow they deserve to win more.

Paschel did redeem himself by recognizing that Sean had competed well in his comment when he voted, but he also DID say the other things as well. Unfortunate comments.

I bet Sean said some things to the camera he regrets too!
I am still mad at him and Rob about some of the comments they made about women!

Sean seemed to like Neleh outside the game. I think he viewed her as a threat. I got the impression today that Sean felt he and Vee had no choice but to be a team once Rob was gone. They were the last of their tribe, and no one else was going to pick them to team with.

Bananaclip

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, I want Kathy to win also. Since Neleh wasn't mentioned in the interview Rosie did with Sean, I thought maybe she won too. Also why would Rosie say she thinks Kathy wins and then later say she knows who wins. That would be a pretty major blurb on her part.

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Neleh wins this I'm going to cough up a furball.

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In P-Town, Webkitty?

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spygirl, I said it before and I'll say it again. I think he hates New Yorkers.

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bananaclip, I didn't see the Rosie show, but the summary I read basically said that Rosie was in a bad mood, she historically has not liked Neleh, Neleh was not mentioned, and the poster drew that conclusion. Hope the conclusion was wrong!

Rosie might just be sleep deprived! She was on about 10 shows yesterday.

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't see Rosie as being in a bad mood at all, Car. She seemed "pumped" for the finale.

Grooch, shhhhhhhhhhh I'm headed for a secret location 4th of July.

Micknrc

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Pappy's got race issues because he's Southern, I think he's got race issues based on his words and actions. Sean's volatile. Yeah. And. What? That means Pappy's allowed to express whatever but Sean is at fault? Doesn't make sense to me.

Disingenuousness describes P/N last night to a tee.

But I also have no problem with agreeing to disagree.

Mamaanja

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I know I'll be yelled at for this, but...

What has Neleh done that is so bad? Or rather, what has she done that is any worse than any other player's strategy?

Twiggyish

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dr. Spygirl, you said it exactly!!! You are so good at summarizing things.

Car, yup, he Paschal was indiscreet. Bad "judgment" on his part and he should know better.

I agree Mick!

Grooch, you got it. It does have to do with Sean being a New Yorker. (See Mick's post)
(How he could feel that way after 9-11 is beyond me)

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP

NELEH: (Why she annoys me)

Breath mint
Bad winner
Rejoicing at other people losing
Never won anything on her own

And it is not any worse than anyone else. I thought Sean and Vee singing at the waterfall was kinda tacky and in poor taste too.

Oh, and saying HECK too damn much.

Kaili

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also don't think Pascal is racist because he is southern (although there was that comment he made about where they're all from)- maybe what he said could have been taken out of context due to editing- but anyone who said the things he has said would make me feel they are racist. I don't care where they are from.

Wink

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have no problem with agreeing to disagree either. Sean has been out there, vocal and disagreeable at times and very humorous and agreeable at others. Paschal has gone through most of this game with a pretty quiet, somewhat bland demeanour. All of a sudden last nite he showed a pretty unappetizing side, using words like "sickening" to describe two other people he appeared to have bonded with. His behaviour seemed way more out of character than Seans' and it makes me question his true underlying feelings.

Webkitty

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my heck Neleh! She must have learned that Snidley Whiplash smirk from John, they are almost identical.

Car54

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Sean is ok with Paschel after seeing the show... and today I thought he was pretty generous... at one point when Bryant (I think) was prodding him to comment on Paschel, he said...Paschel is a judge..he has been a proscecutor for more years than I have been alive.

He basically told Bryant he would have to ask Paschel what he meant by some of his comments. I think that was fair.


Webkitty, Neleh and John probably bonded while they were at the tattoo parlor, don'cha think?

Grooch

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Is Bryant still going to be around when Paschal is booted or is today his last day?