SuperSpoiling - Tammy Leitner
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Car54 | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 04:17 am     Nope, not convinced at all. We know nothing about Zoe and Kathy is nuts. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 04:27 am     ROLF! I contend that Zoe has burned some bridges and no one trusts her. That is enough reason for a vote. Makes people edgy not to know where someone stands. Her big mistake was not lying well. That low profile position only works if you keep out of the fray as Vee has done. I know I would be voting for her. She twists in the wind. |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 04:31 am     But remember, Bat, they don't KNOW how she voted. She has some maneuverability here if she is smart. So far, she is keeping her opinions to herself but I am looking forward to her discussion with Tammy. When they announce the cast and all the info comes out, I always say I can't gauge someone til I see them speak. Zoe is keeping VERY quiet. I want to see exactly how she handles herself with this situation. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 04:42 am     This may not be true as voting for John would hold no advantage unless she let the other alliance know she was with them in the vote. She would surely keep it from Tammy and Robert but what would be the point in holding that info from Kathy, Paschall and Neleh? She voted that way to realign and if she didn't she really screwed herself. |
Awareinva | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 09:56 am     Fruitbat and Car, I don't think Kathy and Zoe are the alliance that Zoe is in. I think Pappy and Neleh are responsible for Zoe switching her vote (look in my superspoiler for Zoe for the details ) I think that Pappy changed his mind about John (and again I have posted elsewhere that he didn't lie per se.... he promised not to ally with Sean and Vee against John- he didn't. He allied with Zoe and Neleh and on the outskirts, Kathy). I said at the original twist that I thought Pappy, Neleh, Zoe and Gabe were a closeknit group. Zoe was just biding her time with John and the other Rotu until they came back. After she saw John gunning for Gabe she had to go deep undercover and go along or get the same treatment. I think we will find that she was telling Rob the truth when he asked originally about the alliance with John- she didn't consider herself part of the group really- she was just trying to make it through until her real allies came back. (Ture Lies!!) I think Zoe is in a better position than we think. I think Pappy and Neleh have been waiting until it was safe to make their move- as long as they were three against a strong Tammy, John and Robert there was no advantage to showing their hand. I think they were going to wait until final 6 and try to oppose the other three then.... but saw the opportunity to oust John now, and not really show their true alliance to Kathy, Sean and Vee yet. You wait and see, these three plus Kathy are aiming for final four  |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:07 am     I don't think we really know that Zoe lied. Rob said she did and Kathy says she did. Kathey also says to the camera that she wanted to make Zoe feel guilty. I agree with Fruitbat that she didn't keep voting for John a huge secret from her allies and I do think she's allied with Neleh and Paschal rather than just Kathy. Bat.. I also think the point that Paschal thinks a Rotu should win it may be another factor in what he said. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:08 am     Oh and the Asian vidclips may give another reason why Zoe voted against John.. She never liked Tammy even from the beginning, so she may have been biding her time to vote out the power.. John, since Tammy was immune. |
Moondance | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:21 am     I agree Sea! |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:31 am     Aware, I agree that I don't think Kathy and Zoe are a team. I am not sure that it is N&P&Z, but given Zoe's reaction to the Twist it is certainly conceivable. I think Tammy and Zoe are too much alike to fit well..it is almost like they were vying for the same place in the tribe. I may be wrong, but I just do not think Zoe's time is over yet...I think we have a lot more story to see on her. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:49 am     I don't see Zoe, necessarily, as *tightly* aligned with Kathy. I see Kathy as being a free agent but more closely aligned with Neleh and Pappy because of their history at Mar. Zoe is in that mix somewhere and this week it is less important just where those lines will divide. I would think all that voted for John knew that Zoe did as well. She would want that known for her own security within that loose and always shifting alliance. Every bonding action or moment helps. |
Urgrace | Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 04:32 pm     We now know that John didn't know Zoe voted for him until the episode aired. In posts several weeks ago I mentioned that Zoe and Robert were together and cozying up a lot. If Zoe is allianced with anyone I would speculate that it is Robert. Robert and Tammy are close, but Robert would probably vote for her if it meant staying in the game. IMO Tammy doesn't have any more alliance and is on her own. It would be smart for her to win immunity this week, but it is not a sure thing that she will. |
Urgrace | Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 07:32 pm     Tammy skidded through one more vote by winning IC. I'll get the superspoiler out as soon as possible. <Wish there were more superspoilers on all the team mates left> |
Urgrace | Friday, April 26, 2002 - 01:21 pm     Soliantu - Day 25 Beginning shots show everyone but Tammy and the General at the waterfall singing and enjoying the moment. Confessionals: Sean says that truly NO ONE has an alliance and may the best 'man' win. Paschal says he wants people to play fairly and says anyone who doesn't try manipulation will have a good chance to get to the top, and Neleh says she finds it hilarious that they turned around at the last second and beat 'them' at their own game. Back at camp Tammy and the General sit on a log watching the others who all seem happy and friendly. Confessional: Tammy says, "The mood is very, very happy among those five people, I mean, they're all very...uh.. they're happy. You know they're sittin' pretty. They've got five of them." The five others are talking about maintaining a positive, upbeat mood, and Kathy says they should have fun today. Tammy is shown smirking and looking uncomfortable flicking her hair, teetering back and forth, holding her elbows on top of her knees and hands clasped in front of her, rolling her eyes back and forth and over to Rob who also looks uncomfortable stroking his beard in a FuManChu motion with his shoulders hunkered. Tammy looks to her right at Robert and says, "We are (feel) like two outcasts sittin' over here." Robert says, "What?" and Tammy repeats herself. Robert says, "Not like anyone's coming over here hangin out with us. They avoid us like the plague." Tammy says, "They see us as traitors... even though they've all done the same." Rob, "Right." Meanwhile by the 'tent' Paschal and Neleh are telling Vee, Sean, and Kathy- Zoe is not in this particular circle- are looking for honesty to count in their game, and Tammy says, "Basically we got screwed 'cause of John. It's our fault for trusting him." Voice over/confessional: "I think that myself, Rob and Zoe all have targets on our back.. uh.. because of the alliance, and unless something changes in the next few days, because I'm seen as the 'quote, unquote' leader, after John, I'm the next to go." you can see she is feeling insecure, flipping her head, trailing her fingers through her hair, darting eyes Robert says, "You and me kid. It's the pecking order." She agrees, "Yeah. Right, that's alright. That's.... We'll see. Game's not over yet." [Voice over: My allegiance is to Zoe and Rob at this point.] She watches Zoe standing a short distance away, turns to Rob and says, "Zoe fits right into that group now." Rob,"Yeah" Voice over: I really don't know what game Zoe is playing, but I wanted to know how strong our alliance was. I just told Zoe, I said, I'm glad that we were on a team for a while. She is seen walking with Zoe along the rocky beach. Zoe says, "It was a pretty loose friendship - in my mind." {Tammy confessional: Zoe tried to say that she wasn't in an alliance with John, Rob and myself, and you know what? That's just not true!] Tammy says to Zoe, "you want me to keep my mouth shut now so you can play your game - that's one thing - be straight with me. I'd respect that much more than bull***ing me right now..." Zoe says, "You want me to tell you - from the get go, I didn't like ya. I didn't really dig you. I didn't, like, dig the way your eyes were... your presentation." [Voice over: I have changed my opinion of Zoe. Zoe's a bit**. She's just trying to save her own butt right now. Maybe her true colors will start to... shine through and somebody will figure out who she is and want to vote her off instead of me.] Zoe says, "As far the game goes right now, I don't trust you." T - "I don't trust you either!" Z - "Cool." T - Then we're on the same ___." At that point Zoe starts walking, saying she just wants to get on with finding shells, because that is what she came there (the beach) for, not a bunch of bullcra*. during this confrontation both of them at some points are not looking at each other, and as it becomes heated they are looking straight into each other's eyes. Both are uncomfortable with each other as the convo winds down and they put distance between themselves as they stroll away down the beach. Neleh brings the 'coconut' tree mail to camp. RC, Tammy is paired with Vee. They are shown strategizing before the contest starts,facing each other. Tammy runs ahead of Vee toward the water, Vee stays on shore. They each bring back several coconuts. Tammy is not happy, throws a dry coconut over her shoulder and says, "Check 'em once in a while!" JP says, "Tammy and Vee falling behind. Got a whole lotta coconuts and no juice!" Day 26 Early morning: Sean and Paschal, winners of the RC, leave on a helicopter for a two hour trip including a horseback ride over the mountains and Marquesan luau. They bring back food for everyone who, in Sean's words 'look like roaches'! Tammy says, "Paschal, thank you so much for bringing food back. That is sooooo nice of you guys!" Afterward she kisses Sean. Day 27 Confessional: This morning I felt desperate. I felt absolutely desperate. I was not ready to leave the game. I talked to Rob this morning, and I said, the only chance we've got is to see if we can get Paschal and Neleh on our side. I don't know if it's gonna happen but it's the only chance we have to stay in the game. Tammy is walking next to Neleh, Rob next to Paschal, down the rocky beach. They have invited P and N to talk and explain that John was not speaking for them even though that is how it seemed. Tammy says, "He never told us what he said to you....bottom line is,(Rob gets up and Tammy tells him to sit down) do you want to be standing next to Sean and Vee in the end?" Tammy's posturing showed that she was open to P/N, but very disturbed when Rob got up and walked away. The next scene shows Kathy asking Robert- and Tammy- if they want to go to the waterfall, which looks like an overlap in editing from day 25, because Rob even says they have to live with him "for a couple of days". Zoe confesses that she has no intention of sticking with Tammy and Robert. They show Zoe giving her homemade bracelets out, and Tammy sarcastically watches the exchange confessing: Zoe is sucking up, wants to be their friend, hopes people will like her and not vote her out, but it's "so fake, I don't understand how it's not apparent to everybody else!" Tree mail for the IC is stilts with the clue on it. Tammy seems very happy because she apparently already knows how to stilt walk. She says, "You know what? It was fun watching everybody practice on those stilts - because they sucked! It didn't look like they were going to get the hang of it. The challenge is going to make or break me. Basically I have to win or I'm gonna get the boot tonight." She takes the stilts far away from camp down the beach where nobody could see her at practice. "I'm not out of it. Not yet. Not until I hear my name read at TC." IC Tammy gives up her IC necklace. 1st two , V/General, Vee wins. K/P, Paschal wins. Tammy goes up against Neleh, Tammy wins easily. S/Z, Zoe wins. Next round, Vee beats Paschal, Tammy beats Zoe, Last round, T/V, Tammy wins. Tammy was the only one who wrapped her arms in front of the stilts instead of grabbing them with her hands only. She cheers very loud at winning the IC necklace and tells JP, "You have no idea how much I needed this." Day 27 First scenes are of the tribe walking back from IC. Robert, his arm around Tammy as they lag back talking about the vote at TC tonight. She tells him don't give up, it could go either way. Paschal in a confessional confirms that Tammy was their first pick for being voted out, but now it will be Robert or Zoe. Again, because she is immune, Tammy leads the tribe to TC. She tells JP, "If I gave it up, I've not doubt that I'd be voted out tonight, so I'm not giving it up." When she votes for Zoe she says, "Zoe, I'm voting you out tonight, because... well.. I just don't like you." Tammy had a huge amount of screen time, voice overs, confessionals... |
Mygetaway | Friday, April 26, 2002 - 02:29 pm     Thanks Urgrace! Great job, as usual.. |
Weinermr | Friday, April 26, 2002 - 03:03 pm     Grace, in your honor, I'll do a superspoil review of Kathy in this week's show this weekend. You're doing such a great job superspoiling Tammy! Way to go! |
Weinermr | Friday, April 26, 2002 - 03:05 pm     <We know nothing about Zoe and Kathy is nuts> Car!!!!! How could you!!!!!!!!!!  |
Lancecrossfire | Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 01:09 pm     Grace, excellent summary as always. It woudl seem thaht Tammy is going to be a blaze of fire no matter if she stays or goes. Her 2 consecutive IC wins make it claer she is there to play and has the ability to win. This will certainly put her high in the radar of everyone. Robert may be acting like a jerk with his whining and speaches--which woudl be enough in this version to get him thrown out quickly. But now as it's getting close to crunch time, people left can't ignore someone who could stay the whole time ala Kelly and Colby. I'd be surprised if you don't have lots to write after this Thursday's show. |
Crazydog | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 06:16 am     Tammy is a bigger target than Robert. Robert is not as strong as he appears. He looked completely worn out when he swam out to the coconuts during the reward challenge, especially when he was coming back to the beach. The others didn't seem to have any problem. I completely understand what Zoe was saying about Tammy and the way her eyes looked. She's had this really haughty, superior look when she was in power, which makes me pretty unsympathetic to her now that she's on the short end. And is it me, or does anyone else think she resembles a chipmunk? Something about her teeth and the way she bites her lip. |
Seamonkey | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 10:47 am     Chipmunk? Is that a kind way of saying... rodent?? I also understand the statement about the eyes.. cold.. actually Tammy seems to be the coldest fish in the school to me. But a fish who's good at stilt-walking |
Squaredsc | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:02 am     tammy imo doesn't seem any colder to me than zoe did, at least we knew tammy had vocal cords. but also she is a crime reporter so that could be why her "eyes" are the way they are. and she does have protruding teeth, but then zoe didn't have an upper lip, and pappy is a toothpick.  |
Fruitbat | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:25 am     LOL! .<she didn't have a lower lip either>. |
Seamonkey | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 12:15 pm     I think actually what Zoe has is what's called a level bite which can be pretty unsettling but not her fault, would also make both lips appear to be approaching absence.. I wasn't attempting to get into a critique of anyone.. think Tammy isn't real warm, that's all. Hmm I didn't know crime reporters had special eyes.. Heh.. Pappy the Pick.. I like that.. I do agree that Tammy's the prime target, but of course only if she doesn't win IM and she's very motivated to win. |
Urgrace | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 01:18 pm     Thanks everyone and Weinermr it would be great to have a superspoiler on Kathy (and the rest... maybe some people might be interested in doing other superspoiler threads if their survivor got voted off.) |
Awareinva | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:43 pm     Thanks Grace. You got all the important Zoe moments here (her conversation with Tammy mostly), so I'm looking for another person to spoil...but I'm afraid to pick one. I seem to be bad luck for them Actually I am working this week (at a real paying job- Yay!) but I plan to look back at Episode 1 and this last one. I'll try to get it up by Wednesday. I'll probably focus on Neleh- since I am getting this GUT feeling she wins. Of course I thought Gabe and Zoe would make final 4, so this means Neleh will be out by 6!  |
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