Archive through April 24, 2002
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Moondance

Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Car... did you see the person who started the Cruise ship spoiler is now claiming it is fake!

Car54

Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I did, but hey, John is gone isn't he? AND the Tribal Council set is on it's way to NYC isn't it? Two outa three so far!

Urgrace

Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The picture is not a spoiler IMO, because it could be the tribe walking TO the next challenge with Tammy still wearing the IM necklace from last week - just don't buy her winning IC from the picture. The picture of her (sitting next to Robert) with a dejected look on her face is more revealing.

<urgrace really likes Tammy and wishes it wasn't so>

Webkitty

Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 03:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Urgrace that the pic of Tammy is not a spoiler. I also think its a shot of her walking to the next IC.

I do however, believe the cruise ship spoiler.
I really think Tammy is going this week (per the spoiler) sorry Urgrace! (webkitty gives Urgrace a nice pat)

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 05:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Zoe did tell Kathy & co about her vote for John. She had no reason to vote John unless she wanted to align with the power. Witholding this information from Kathy & Co would not be to her advantage. She voted John because she sensed the shift and wanted to be in the majority alliance. No other reason.

Tammy and Robert are the obvious targets unless too much has been witheld by MB. I am not ruling out a vote for Zoe. Players are flapping their gums like crazy this season. There has not been one secret kept! Someone will out Zoe and she could find herself the target of everyone.

Paschall feels uncomfortable where he is now and would prefer to be with his old Rotu members and vote Sean and Vee off as soon as possible and may try to talk some sense into the others. The sound bite of him saying Sean winning would be an embarassment is key to where Paschall will go. Having a member of the minority team win is too much for his sensibilities. So he may prevail but that is next week. I predict we will see some of this next shift tomorrow leading us to believe Sean is in danger. He is safe for now.

Willi

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I absolutely agree with that FB.

I really begin to enjoy Survivor post-merge & this shifting of alliances is making this the most enjoyable Survivor yet.
(for me)

Car54

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I think if Zoe's vote was common knowledge, Jeff would bring it up at TC and John would hear about it then, or from future jury members and he did not.

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good point Car!

Willi

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just read through some John post-boot interviews & it really sounded like he had yet to talk to Zoe about "stuff."

Could this mean she makes it far...Not on the jury with John...?

It sure sounded that way.

(Someone else probably already mentioned this.)

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thats how I took it Willi!

Willi

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Geez. I wish I would have read through those interviews (or here) sooner.

If he had been on the jury with Zoe for awhile, it seems like they would have discussed what happened, etc.

Very suspect.
Remember, Gina gave a very big unintentional clue by not knowing John's name right away when asked about the male nurse by Rosie O' Donnell.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are not allowed to talk about the game when on the jury and are monitored and may even have to sign something. Kelly talked about that in Africa.

Also Jeff does not always talk about the voting at TC. There must be a huge break between the vote and Jeff reading them to figure out just what will be given away and what it could mean for the game.

The thingie knawing at my brain right now is all the hype in the promos that there is a power shift and this week is the most unpredictable episode yet. Hype or truth? Tammy and Robert are certainly predictable.

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kelly also admitted to talking about things though while at loserjurylodge... her and Brandon couldn't keep quiet. She found out that Brandon voted for her.

Willi

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, but it was obvious John had made more peace with some people than others (contact?)...I don't know.

(I'm so glad there's still guessing to be done)

Willi

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But...
What if Robert has been tightly aligned with Zoe? What if he is willing to vote against Tammy...Keeping himself & Zoe safe?

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Robert and Zoe are tight too, Willi... much more than we are being shown... Zoe, Pappy, Robert and Neleh... it will come out... it also explains the tension between Zoe & Tammy... Car pointed out them fighting for the same position in the tribe and also...I think for Robert's friendship.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Let's say for the time being that the promos are correct and that something very unpredictable happens.

What are we left thinking?....Tammy and Robert are next because we have been led to believe they were in a tight alliance with Zoe and she bailed so they are left to eliminate. Big shock because we have not seen Zoe with anyone else. Good editing, good surprize.

So, there is more they are not showing.

Sean and Vee are flexable and will go where the wind blows to stay in the game. They could snag Robert and Tammy and probably Kathy to vote Zoe out. Thus Sean in catbird seat having a moment power. Only to turn on him next week, thus the comment, but for how long.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Willi and Moon, I like that one. It leaves the bootee predictable but not the alliances.

Willi

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good points HRH.

For how long is about right too.

I am getting a Robert/Zoe vibe though.

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay... why all of a sudden to I think Vee will get the boot....hmmmmm

Willi

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lol.
It's ok Moon...I dreamed Neleh was booted and on Oprah (Oprah!) with her hands on her hips trying to kick Kathy's butt.

(I really need to stop eating chocolate before bed.)

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL! Moon, I just came here to post the very same thing.

Willi, or maybe lay off TV

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Only problem with Vee going is we have seen far less of her than even Zoe.

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Willi... I just want kathy from the eco challenge to kick Kathy from Survivor's butt!

We have see more of the Non drama queen than Zoe... Vee got a lot of coverage before the twist.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
true but now I am thinking, Kathy.

Robert and Zoe are tight. Zoe did not like John and Robert was equally tight with John. Jeff saw this thus did not reveal final vote protecting Zoes secret from Robert.

So we have Zoe, Robert, Neleh and Paschall tighly aligned and stringing Kathy along to get rid of Sean and Vee.

They will all get rid of Tammy tonight. Too predictable.

They will actually get rid of Kathy because she is close to discovering the truth and they are afraid of her aligning with Tammy, Sean and Vee and creating a tie. So Robert gets Tammy to vote Kathy off............

Leaving Sean and Vee alone with no chance of aquiring numbers.