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Micknrc

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
rofl, Car, I just switched from Kathy to Rob (on my unspoiled vote)

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am leaning against the early merge but not solid yet. The numbers aren't the reason. MB can make the jury cut off anyway it suits the show.

I had forgotton Hunter and Kathy must have had time to get to know each other. Shit

Now I am not sure about Rob off.

I am having fits.

Car54

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 09:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat...just keep telling yourself...it is only a tv show...

Here is my thinking...(posted this last night in the Hunter boot press folder).

1. If they merge early, they merge with 13...and if the entire group becomes part of the jury, Kathy does not get to know Hunter.
2. If as Moon pointed out, the first post-merge person is NOT on the jury, and that person is Kathy, then she and Hunter can be friends at loser lodge. BUT, that gives us 12 players...and 12-F2 makes for an even numbered jury of 10...and the potential for a tie is there, which MB hasn't allowed.
3. Kathy is the next person on Jeff Varner's original spoiler list.

On the other hand, if they Twist or trade some players to even things out, Kathy is a candidate.. and she is seen crying in the preview...I would think she is someone who would be upset by a major change, if they are asked to volunteer or send their best as in S3, she is so gung ho, she is going to raise her hand... and if she gets traded, she is going to be nervous and awkward again, just as she was in the early Rotu days...and they are gonna boot her.

On the other hand, if Rob gets traded, and it is a Twist...depending on whether he is traded with Gina or not, there may be a chance they might not realize he is the Robfather...he seems like a nice enough knucklehead for the first few days.

The only reasons Rob would go are:
1. No merge or Twist, and Gina/Vee/Sean boot him
(Gina and Vee would have to figure this out aand convince Sean that they are safer in a 3-way tthan as the second tier of a 4-way) Not sure they are smart enough for that much thinking right now.
2. An early Merge and if everyone is playing for individual RC and IC, then Rob is the most obvious threat on Maraamu...and he goes. (I think the clue about a player changing his attitude is SEAN- he is going to appear to be less annoying and lazy so he can be the alpha male...but it will tire him out eventually.)

So as of noon, I am sticking with Kathy. Her odds are better. But I may change my mind.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
TV show? What are you nuts? These people are in my friggin livingroom every Thursday evening. You live pretty close. Want to come meet them?

Actually I am not attached. I am a frustrated dectective and have a strong desire to figure this out.

OK, this is my thinking in this hour.

I still say they could merge now and MB can say first 2 off are not in the jury if he chooses. He told them to prepare for changes. So a merge is possible but not likely.

What would be the point of merging now? Pagoning is old hat and that is just what would happen.

So, teams stay put.

We saw Kathy crying. That is the red flag that she will stay.

Mar loses and votes off someone.

There is logic to let go of everyone except Vee. (my current favorite)

Gina: not in alliance

Sarah: They don't like her and miraculously talk Rob into voting for her.

Sean: Lazy and Rob wants to be leader.

Rob: Sean wants to be leader and miraculously talks eveyone else into this.

Gina makes the most sense and Sean a shaky second.

Now, I will not stay with this for long because it will be impossible to make the CBS sites hints fit into this senario but I am going to go try. I shall return.

Question: Does Rotu know what the challenge is before choosing who sits out?

Seamonkey

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Teaser last night during Max Bickford.. saw it twice. It essentially said that in the first 15 min of the show (or 10?) everything would be turned upside-down. and they stressed again that it was literally upside-down..

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This does not sit well with my current voting stategy unless a storm blows their shelters upside down.

Grooch

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat, how much time do you spend trying to figure this stuff out?

Seamonkey

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know, bat.. unless they all have to hang upside down from trees.. didn't really make sense to me and I do confess that I was online AND watching Max Bickford, not really thinking about Survivor.

Right now I'm saying Rotu immune, Sean out, Gina in, which could really further trash my scores in the deadpool, but I'm pretty far down anyway.

Car54

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ms Bat, thank you for making me laugh...I am having a cruddy day at work and you cheered me up!

You are voting standard aren't you? I am worried that you will go around in circles so much all we will find by Wednesday (please note these people will be in your living room on WEDNESDAY this week- don't forget to vacuum!) is a pool of butter!

Just remember...the clues on the site ALWAYS seem to be logical and we ALWAYS think we know the answer to them, and when the show airs, it turns out to be something we knew nothing about.

Example... in S3...there was a clue about one player who felt more comfortable with the animals than his tribe....in the previous episode we saw Frank doing his little Elephant dance...so of course we thought FRANK!!!! It was Clarence pooping with the elephants...something we knew NOTHING about before the show aired so the clue was meaningless!

Example: This past week the spoilers were out there about John's urchin bite...we knew somebody was gonna pee in this episode... the preview shows Neleh saying "everyone calls me Sweet Pea" We all assume she is the urinator! but NOOOOOOOO it is Kathy....Neleh never pulled her panties down once last week!

I am voting unspoiled so if anyone has a reason to be stressed, it is me! You have two more days!

It is now 1:32- and I am sticking with Kathy...she has to go sometime (the Wink strategy!)

Answer to your question: I think Jeff describes the challenge, then he usually says "I will give you a minute" to decide who you are going to sit out, or in the case of the puzzle last week, to decide who is the first caller...
so yes, I think they know before they decide.

Jeep

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I've been playing deadpool but not in any aliance (and you should be glad!), but something keeps sticking in the back of my mind that I need to ask about.

Didn't I read in the very beginning that one of the camps had to move because they were in a restricted area of the island. Couldn't this twist just be a move and not realy a merge? If that is the case, I can see why Kathy is crying. I would be upset too if I had to start over again somewhere else. And Sean would be right to say that it changes the whole game.

I stick with Gina to go. But of course, I'm with Seamonkey.....my scores are pretty far down!

Car54

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If you check out the True Dork Times site, they have a calendar based on the Tahiti presse articles and according to that, the rumored move is not for several weeks in Survivor time.

I posted the info in some thread Saturday on our board.

Car54

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, just got CBS eyemail....Sarah is their featured player. There are some who think once they feature you, you can be booted...Hunter has already been featured....


1:57 Still stickin with Kathy for now.

Wink

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruit you're starting to make me itchy twitchy.

I'm going to go with the premise that one or other of the camps becomes unliveable whether because of a land dispute or weather. Both tribes end up together at a single site but remain as individual tribes, no switch. This gives them each a chance to observe the other. This could prompt a change in both Sarah and Sean for the better with regards to a work ethic of some sort.

Who knows why the hell Kathy has tears in her eyes? Maybe she has a cinder, maybe she is getting a cold. Was there accompanying audio to the Kathy's tears shot? If not I think it's a red herring.

I think it would be neat if the tribe that wins IC gets to decide who goes from the other team. This takes control away from any alliances and inspires everyone to be on their best behaviour and even if not the perceived to be stronger person from either tribe would be the likely victim. This scenario would make Rob or Gabe the likely victims.

Okay I have to go put the needle back in my arm now.123

Weinermr

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You are all coming down on Kathy too hard. How can you compare her conduct to the antics of Sean, Rob, and Sarah.

No merge, Rotu will win again, and Kathy will stay.

Merge, and one of the crazies on Maraamu will go.

The tears can be anything - Ruined shelter, no food, John stabs himself with a coconut knife, Robert stubs his toe, Neleh gets hit in the head with a passion fruit - Kathy isn't going this week.

It will be one of the Morons-wearing-moomoos voted out again.

Weinermr

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But I've been wrong before.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for talking me down Car. I vote Gina to go. All this hype is trying to obscure this very predictable senario.

There I'm done.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wink, don't make me come over there.

I am with you on that, Weinermr.

And I will say that I think would be fair if Rotu had to chose who was going to sit out BEFORE they knew what the challenge was.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, I spend enough time to avoid my chores and confuse myself to the point of hives.

Car54

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Weiner, you misunderstand....I actually like Kathy... she is just the least liked by her tribe... and she was a bit awkward with new people and came off badly the first couple of days (as would I). I suspect if she gets traded it would be very stressful for her and the Maraamus have not been very tolerant of personalities so far.

Wink, you may be right, but in the preview while Kathy is crying, she is seen saying "you've got to go with the flow".... so something provokes her tears.

Bat, you are welcome.... btw...did you know they make duct tape in a lovely range of colors? We actually sell them in the stores I work for!

2:29 still with Kathy. I have til 8 to be persuaded.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, I think it is Gina or another Mar. Rotu has not been featured enough. Just that simple. They have shown no strife whatsoever. A little bit with Kathy in the first episode but that has been it.

I don't want to think about why Kathy is crying.

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, I may have to ask you to tape me later today. Pink, OK?

Wink

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Car. I didn't know if there had been audio with that or not. Crap now I need to up my dose.

Car54

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wink, check out Survivor Fever, they have the preview text and vidcaps.

Bat, I can do White and Red....from a distance it might look like pink...or you might look like you belong in Doug's Target room!

P.S. Remember Lindsay... "go with the flow might have another meaning.... and it would explain the tears.... " How is that for obscure?


2:55 Waiting for Dell to call me back about my missing modems..... sticking with Kathy... (see I really think Kathy is getting switched and Maraamu is gonna boot her.)

Fruitbat

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How many will they switch? Three? Two? This is hive material.

Car54

Monday, March 18, 2002 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not sure about that part... how about 2 from Maraamu going to Rotu, and 3 from Rotu going to Maraamu....that would even up the numbers.

If Kathy and Paschel are switched as the spec seems to be...I wonder who gets to pick...they are two of the eldest on Rotu...it would be smart of Rotu to dump them on the other team.

Bat, go have a gatorade and cool off- you are not gonna make it to Wednesday.