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Fruitbat

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Knightpatti

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 05:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
the jury would vote for Paschal over Kathy? I do not think so.

Yuhuru

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 06:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, Okay, I've had it !!!! Somebody Please explain what it is that Neleh has done that makes her a harder worker than Vee. And while you're at it explain lazy. And while I'm at it. Other than tote that heavy boulder I haven't seen Pappy do all that much. Maybe that's why he was successful...he saved up his energy.

With the exception of Kathy, the "hardest workers" have been voted off. Maybe we forget the rest of the game and hand Kathy the million.

I guess we should change the slogan to outwit, outwork, outlast

I'm not even rooting for Vee, but this is starting to get on my nerves.

Oh, I'm sorry this thread is about the next episode. Please forgive me.


Go Kathy !!!!!!!!!!!!

Llkoolaid

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 06:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't get home last night in time to vote so I was lucky because I would have voted Neleh off. What was Kathy thinking.

I wonder what would happen if Vee wins the first immunity, and votes for Neleh along with Kathy and Pashcal and Neleh vote for Kathy making it a tie. Does anyone know what they do for a tiebreaker.

When do they usually have fallen comrades, I thought it was when they get down to 4, I think Kathy has had the most interaction with the remaining players and has shown an interest in everyone so she should have an advantage.

Kaili

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Even if Pascal is trying to conserve energy, I really don't think he's in great shape anymore. The water/rock thing was impressive but it was awhile ago and it's possible that he was able to move easier in water. He did fall down during the island story challenge.

As for the bonds of friendship and feelings of betrayal surfacing during a heated final Tribal Council, I wonder if it will involve the immunity necklace and some sort of a deal being made? I don't see this as being likely though, just because immunity is so important especially with an even number of people. Just a thought though...

Prettywomen

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhura....Paschal and Heleh have been real people and they haven't really cheated or lied to get there...Kathy is great but her knows it all atitude turns me off of her and I love Vee but she hasn't cooked, got wood or water and she is lazy...So lets pick and winner ....

Prettywomen

Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Neleh and Paschal are my choice for the winners...They kept the show REAL...

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 04:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wouldn't it be part of OUTWIT if you can get somebody else to do most of the work and not have them hold it against you?

In the beginning, everyone at Rotu worked...P&N included, but when they got to Maraamu, they clearly were relieved that conditions were a lot easier and food was more plentiful so they didn't have to work so hard.

To be honest, I don't see where Vee has been lazy.. she seemed to do her part at Maraamu and seems to be active (up to the last episode or 2 when everyone is exhausted and starved).
I have seen her cooking and doing things at camp. I think Tammy's comment had to do with Vee being depressed and missing her family.

I think the reason Paschel did well in the underwater rock challenge was because he used his brain...he picked up the rock and threw it a short distance, then did that again and again to move forward slowly. The others were trying to carry the rock long distances and couldn't.

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 04:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Um SurvivorNews.Net is predicting that the final two are Neleh and Vee, and that Vee wins.

SURVIVOR NEWS

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 04:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is the link to the article explaining the pick:

SNN ARTICLE

Webkitty

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 05:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you for the links Car, but I didn't see where they explained anything....what did I miss?

I'm not a morning person but.....It looked like a lot of nothing to me!

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 05:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
SNN is the board that knew Sean would be the one to go this week. They are the first board I have seen to post their official pick, that's all.

Vee is Richard Hatch's pick as well.

Webkitty

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oh WELL!!! Thanks anyway Car.

Fruitbat

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhru, Vee got 2 votes earlier, I forget which week and those that voted for her said she was not pulling her weight. That is where lazy came in. No survivor used that word though and for all we know it could have just been just the perspective of Robert and Tammy.

I am ignoring that and am rooting for Kathy. Vee would be my second choice.

I am still suffering from Kathy not taking Sean up on his deal or at least voting for Neleh. This may have been her fatal mistake.

They may know the end is different and realize it is all about IC and not chosing one to take with you. Pap and Neleh are easier to beat. Sean is still looking quite strong. His race for the car was impressive.

Sean said he would not vote for her and they could be the final 2. He did not say he would *choose* her in the event he wins the final IC. I think they know it is a competition all the way.

<< my wishful thinking is showing here >>


<< no pole no pole no pole >>

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat, Robert and Tammy voted Vee the week of her birthday and Tammy was the boot.

You are missing the point of the pole, honey.

The pole is a leveler... you don't have to be smart, you don't have to be fast, you just have to hang on. Almost anyone has the same shot on this. We LIKE the pole challenges... they give everyone a fair chance.. IF you don't have to poop, or throw up, or take your hand off to scratch.

Mware

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, since I know you'll know this, has there ever been a male winner of the pole challenge? In SI, I thought Kelly won it, in SII, I thought it was Tina, and in SIII, I seem to remember Mamakim winning. Now, if I'm right, that would seem to indicate that the pole is not a leveler - it favors women. That could be a clue that if Pappy participates in that challenge, he likely wouldn't win it, leaving him vulnerable.

of course, if I'm wrong, my whole theory is out the window, and Pappy may have a great chance to win it after all

Egbok

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a question.

For the first TC, how would a tie-breaker be handled?

If K/V vote together against, let's say P and then N/P vote against, let's say V - that would give P & V two votes each.

I apologize if this has been answered already.

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well most of the other challenges favor the men. If you go back to S3 and watch, most of the challenges are really physical and involve speed, lifting and pure strength, so at the end, if the women make it that far, they have a shot.

Personally I think women do better because they have a low center of gravity and can plant themselves and balance. The men are usually bigger in their shoulders and if they are off balance because of leaning or reaching, it is harder for them. But it was hard for Kimj to push the fire cart earlier in or climb the big net. If you go back to the end of the S3 discussions, we had a BIG thread about this.

I think Lex would have done well in the S3 pole if he had not gotten sick- he is pretty compact, and he was highly motivated.

Ethan had trouble balancing because he is top heavy and also a cameraman threw up right under his nose and distracted him.

Kim was short and her center of gravity helped her-we finally found something she was good at-stand still and do nothing.
Rudy just forgot to keep holding on.
Rich gave up.

Pappy is pretty lean..and compact his big problem will be he is weak.
The three women are probably pretty even...it is all about stamina and motivation.

I bet Pappy gives up... he has kinda done that several times...if he thinks he is
gonna lose he caves in.

Egbok, we don't know how a tie will be handled. MB or Jeff said that since prior votes don't count, there will be "dire consequences" in case of a tie.

Me and Bat are rooting for the "dire consequences!" :)

Egbok

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nevermind, I think I found my answer in another thread - thanks for putting up with my sluggish brain cells this morning <ack!> I need another cup of coffee!!

Thanks Car! Ooohhhh, "dire consequence" sounds absolutely delicious to me too!! I'm with you and Bat on that one!

And Car, you never stop amazing me with your theories - I love reading your posts!! I bet if we could see your brain, it would be purely white with a gazillion synapes happening all at once!! (that's a compliment btw!! LOL)

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, unlike Vee, we want us some DRAMA!!!!

I am thinking the "Men in Black" have something up their sleeves. Both Robert and John have hinted that they have a surprise role in the finale!

Mware

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car, I didn't mean that there shouldn't be challenges that favored women, since there are some that favor men. I love women. I married one. I was just asking for some confirmation about whether a man had ever won the pole challenge before.

I'm also with you on the "dire consequences" thing. Just a little worried that it'll fall near the "surprise visitor you won't believe" thing.

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 08:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nope but it doesn't mean they can't!:)

(But I am betting he won't win! Pap is pretty pooped!)

Car54

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone care? Ethan's predictions:


Seoul Man


Past champ Ethan Zohn picks the ''Survivor'' winner. The soccer-lovin' ''Survivor: Africa'' victor tells EW.com who'll win Sunday night by Gary Susman




BETTING MAN Zohn makes his pick for ultimate ''Marquesas'' Survivor


He's handsome, scruffy, and a soccer devotee... and, oh yes, he's also a millionaire -- thanks to his decisive win on last season's ''Survivor: Africa.'' He's Ethan Zohn, heartthrob to millions and new World Cup commentator (you can find his web column from Seoul, Korea, beginning June 3 at USSoccer.com). ''One day, I'm a soccer coach in Teaneck, New Jersey. Next day, I'm at the World Cup,'' Zohn tells EW.com. ''This is a dream come true.''

Come Sunday night, one of the four remaining ''Survivor: Marquesas'' castaways will also have their million-dollar dream come true (CBS, 8 p.m.). Here's who reigning champ Zohn thinks will win:

KATHY ''Kathy's done very well for herself. She's played the game very smart. She's got a bite to her. She's harsher than Teresa, but she has that same competitive drive to win, scheming to the last minute. But I don't think she's going to win. The alliance between Paschal and Neleh is very strong, and the alliance between Kathy and Vecepia isn't. If Vecepia does not get immunity, she will be the next to go. If she does, it'll be Kathy.''

VECEPIA ''She's played the game well, but now she's all by herself. Everone has gotten to where they are with a middle-of-the-road approach, not being too strong, not being too weak. She might win immunity and win the game. Without immunity, she's screwed, she's done.''

PASCHAL ''I picked him to win a couple of months ago. I see Paschal playing the game in the stealth, not as strong as I was, but similar to me. However, I don't see him winning at this stage. He's looking a little too weak right now to win an immunity. But he could make it to the final two because his alliance with Neleh is very strong.''

NELEH ''She got incredibly lucky. She played the naive girl next door, but she really is the naive girl next door. I see her a little bit like Kim Powers. She happened to fall into a great alliance. She's my pick to win.''

Wink

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As much as I am a firm Kathy fan and will be a very sad camper if anyone else wins I think a Vee/Neleh final is a possibility(excuse me while I seizure). It could go down like this.


FIRST IMMUNITY - Vecepia (it makes sense she could win this because she's talked to everyone and she's obviously smart and she knows if she doesn't win this shes's a goner). I think Kathy and Neleh have a better shot at this as well because I don't think Paschal, despite the fact he's a judge, has any brain cells left. So it would be Vee because of the spoiler.

FIRST OFF- Kathy since Vee has immunity and the gruesome twosome won't vote for each other. CRAP.

SECOND IMMUNITY - Neleh. If this is an endurance, how long can you hold on blah blah blah, she's the youngest and should win. I think it could actually be a toss-up between her and Vee(Paschal doesn't have a prayer). He fell flat on his face walking in that last challenge. I liked that. (It's the meds. They're making me evil)

SECOND OFF- I'm going with Paschal. I think he will tell Neleh to take Vee with her to the final (foreshadowed by Neleh's early on comment that she would have a very hard time voting against Pascal) because he figures he might beat Neleh in the jury vote and he wants her to win. I think he'll figure Vee won't stand a chance in the jury vote.

WINNER - I'm going to pick Neleh instead of Vee for the win (contrary to SNN spoiler) because of the tattoo thing, original Rotu blah blah blah, even tho this will cause me to have to be locked up for an extended period of time(but that was going to happen anyway).

JURY VOTE - This one is a toss-up as to where the votes might go. I think Neleh would have John's vote(tattoo), Paschal (duh), Zoe(she seemed to be VERY fond of Neleh), Robert(he's already voted against Vee.

Vee would no doubt get Sean's vote(no-brainer), possibly Tammy(altho she did vote against Vee she may feel betrayed by P/V alliance).

I have no idea who Kathy would vote for but my gut tells me she feels a debt to P/N for keeping her over Gina.

This is not the final I want to see. Watching Neleh (of the I have no social graces, wanna suck my mint) smirk all over the place with a million dollar cheque is going to put me into a permanent funk. Be forewarned.

Yuhuru

Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still not convinced that Vee is lazy. I'm still not sure what makes Neleh not lazy. Tammy said that Vee wasn't pulling her weight. Sean says that Neleh stopped working because she didn't want to get dirty again. Sounds like there even to me. Each has a negative mark from a tribe member.

I personally don't care who's toted the most wood, etc. We all have our favorites for whatever reason: gut feelings, birthdate, cute, hardworker, etc., but what bothers me is when we manufacture something that may not be true to justify our picks.

It's really mean to call someone negative names to make our picks look better. To call Vee lazy is equivalent to calling Pappy a racist(neither of which I think is true)

There seems to be some underlying reason why Vee is considered lazy. I never heard anyone say that Ethan(S3) was lazy, and I really don't recall seeing him doing too many chores. I'm not saying that he was lazy.

Okay,Okay I'll let it go. I promise.

Car, I agree with Egbok. You're just great!

I want Kathy to win period. Go Kathy!!!!