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Awareinva

Friday, March 08, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I gotta think that the core group from Rotu will go far (maybe final 4). Depends on the twist though. I see them as really sticking together even thru the twist, just like Samburu did last time. They just have that bond that Maraaum doesn't have- if they split, Sean and Sarah don't look like they will keep much loyalty to Hunter and Gina. That division has got to help Rotu make the final four.

I would love to see a final four with members from both original tribes, just for something new. But I don't think the game will ever let something like that happen. You have to make those stong commitments early to stick around.

Crazydog

Friday, March 08, 2002 - 11:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey here's a good EW article about the second episode:

I felt like I could have written this article myself. From the "noooooooo!" to the originality of the rowboat challenge to the gratuitous cleavage shot of Sarah pushing the boat to the Kathy = Debb (I would have said Diane, but I guess they're all the same person) to the "perpetually boring" Rotu comment to the bossing of Pat. Agreed with all of it.

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Pat Down


The latest Survivors need to learn their history if they want to escape the fate of those who have gone (and been booted off) before, says Dalton Ross

''Noooooooooooo!'' That was the sound escaping the lips of millions of horny young men last night at approximately 8:56 Eastern Standard Time when boobalicious Sarah received her third vote for removal from tribe Maraamu. Thankfully for her and Peeping Toms everywhere, she was spared expulsion as Patricia (or ''Mama'') was tagged with vote number four. (Our favorite part of the voting was when Hunter labeled Sarah ''a distraction.'' Uh, well, yeah!) But both their situations beg the question: Are these people even remotely familiar with the finer points of ''Survivor'' Etiquette 101?

Those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it, and so far all the people in danger (or worse) have each committed cardinal ''Survivor'' sins. Patricia, who was spared last week even though she was an obvious team liability, ruined the ''feelgood stick around'' story by bossing everyone to high heaven. Hello? Ever heard of B.B.? She should have known that her potentially positive role as a mother figure would be greatly outweighed -- and we're not using that word as some sort of sick joke -- by the omnipresent nag factor.

Sarah -- and Sean to a degree -- seemed less concerned with winning than doing a Gervase/Clarence impersonation to see how little work she -- and he -- could get away with doing. Her reasoning that she works 16-hour days at home and plans to relax on this trip is fine, but if she wants to sew up the inevitable Playboy pictorial and thus possibly avoid 16-hour workdays for at least the next few years, we suggest she get a little more face -- er, breast -- time on camera, which certainly won't happen if she gets her lazy ass voted off next week.

Even the perpetually boring yet victorious Rotu tribe has its own clueless contestant, as creepy Kathy has so far done everything in her power to distance herself from her fellow castaways. Now, if she is somehow playing her own little secret game of Let's See Who Can Alienate Themselves the Fastest, she is, in fact, doing a bang-up job. But as Deb in ''The Australian Outback'' showed us, separation = SEE YA! And that would truly be a shame because this woman obviously has a good sense of humor. (Her ''I'm not that hard to get along with'' line? Classic.)

Other than these curious gaming strategies, episode 2 reinforced what we learned in last week's premiere. Maraamu obviously has the more interesting characters and already blooming alliances, yet if it doesn't start winning some damn challenges, there will hardly be anything left of the team by the merge. Rotu easily won the rowboat challenge (although a gratuitous cleavage shot of Sarah should count for something for Maraamu) and won immunity for the second straight week.

(Speaking of challenges, the reward one in which they had to empty rocks out of a sunken boat was at least original, if anticlimactic. And while I still think it's time to finally take the food challenge off the menu, watching Rob try to not hurl while scarfing down that funky fish was perhaps the funniest thing I've seen on television IN YEARS!) If this one-sided tribal beatdown continues, Mark Burnett will no doubt pull one of his ''the game keeps changing'' rule switcheroos designed to add a little well-choreographed drama to the mix. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, and that our feuding favorites can somehow get it together.

Kitty

Friday, March 08, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Some people have been mentioning "the switch". We know that MB showed the tape of the Africa switch to the S4 group before they started the game. But, do we know for sure that there will be a switch this time around? Maybe MB showed them that to make them think that there will be a switch and that will affect how they play the game (i.e., Hunter and Gina). If they are waiting for a switch and there isn't one, then a few people are going to be sorry! Has anyone heard if there is in fact a switch this time?

Wink

Friday, March 08, 2002 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe this Survivor will have the "three team" spoiler that was floating around for Surv 3.

Kizz

Friday, March 08, 2002 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kitty I asked the question about MB showing the cast the switch episode in the plottin and plannin thread. Naturally, MB would never show his hand, and perhaps he showed it to affect the way people played the game from the jump so as to not neccessitate a switch. There's no way he'd be able to surprise them, and who knows who the tribes would send....

As Mama said today on the Early Show when Bryant asked her why their team was put together the way it was..."because Mark Burnett's a crazyman, I reckon"

Wink you bring up an interesting scenario as well.

But sometimes I wonder if most of the cast is bright enough to see the implications.

Pamy

Friday, March 08, 2002 - 07:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We need to remember we don't see the whole 24 hrs a day, MB creates these people thru editing, maybe Sean worked all day and they only show us when he is resting, maybe Sarah's boobs are real,maybe Hunter is the gay one!......
RE: the switch, did anyone see the clip where one of them says, this game changes daily, you never know what will happen??

Yuhuru

Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
First, Everyone has a right to his/her opinion, but...

I haven't seen ep. 2 yet (long story). So I came hear trying to get an update. It's my understanding that Sean is lazy. Why can't we (TVCLUBHOUSE) just call him a lazy person and keep that separate from his race. I'm not quite sure I understand the "Sean is a black man through and through" comment. In what way? In a lazy, jealous, angry kind of way. I think I'd be sad and pissed off reading some of this stuff, if I were a black man. I don't think that it would be fair to say that Sarah is a white woman through and through, and then say she's immature, fake, lazy, and stupid.

Just my opinion

Tksoard

Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhuru, HE'S the one that keeps bringing up the "black man" comments. Watch eps. 2 and you will see. I'm sure he would be very proud of himself to know that we (TVCH) aknowledge that fact!!

Fruitbat

Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Where is the info that MB showed them the switch tape? Is there a link to an interview? That just doesn't sound like something he would do.

Moondance

Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MB and Jeff both have said that in interviews, MsBat... just don't feel like investing the time looking for them...sorry:) I know they were posted over on Surviiivor.com and the SurvivorSucks.

Yuhuru

Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 03:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Tksoard. Now it makes a little more sense. I still haven't seen episode 2 yet. My hubby forgot to tape it, but I think I can get my hands on one.

Tksoard

Saturday, March 09, 2002 - 03:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhuru, if you miss an eps. check out the "SuperSpoiling-Sean Rector" thread. There is one for every player. If you want to know what it all involves, check out the "TVCH SuperSpoiler team?" thread. That explains it. It tells you everything that happened with each player during each eps. Very Informative!!

Moondance

Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MsBat I ran across something for you

Article in TVGuide Post at Surviiivor

I am not sure why you find it surprising MB would tell them about the switch... he wanted Survivor4 to be on their toes and expect the unexpected.

Twiggyish

Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Yuhuru has a good point about Sean.

Something similar happened with Monica in BB.

Crazydog

Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhuru and Twiggy, I respectfully disagree. With Monica, it was others who said that she was the "angry black person". I thought that was unfair since to me she didn't really do anything which deserved that label - I never thought of her like that.

But with Sean, already by episode two, he's talking all about black this and black that and they don't understand cause their white and Al Sharpton this etc. etc. etc.

Vecepia called him "Malcolm Farrakhan" and I believe (someone will correct me if I'm wrong) she even said he was angry, or something to that effect. Doesn't that say anything? It is not the editing. The words are still coming out of his mouth.

Tksoard

Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree completely, Crazydog!!

Yuhuru

Monday, March 11, 2002 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog, Tksoard got me straight earlier. My Mom also clued me in. I still haven't seen episode 2, but I've finally got my hands on the tape...Yeah!!!!!!!!

Yuhuru

Tuesday, March 12, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw the tape...okay, okay Sean is a lazy, angry black man.