Archive through April 15, 2002
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Gina8642 | Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 01:55 pm     Kathy is rocking to boat way too hard. She has no strong alliances. I think she is next to go. Pascal and Neleh look more like lambs to the pagonging slaughter than any players in previous seasons before them. They 'love' their former Rotu tribesmates and don't seem to understand or care that the Rotu4 don't care about 'love' they are here to win a million dollars. Unless Neleh and Pascal wake up and smell the coffee this is going to play out exactly like all the rest. To me, it really doesn't matter whether or not it is old 'Mu or new 'Mu to go first. The point is, the 'Mu are going and J/R/Z/T are aiming for F4. MB/CBS will edit it so each week it seems like there will be a chance (think Teresa in S3) but really no one is budging. Neleh will whine, Sean will hop up and down and rant about consipricies, Vee will avoid DRAMA at all costs - but the results will be the same at the end of each episode - PAGONG!!!! I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it. |
Nanya | Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 05:53 pm     I really don't have a clue. I have not been right one single time, except that Neleh would not be voted off. Now that the merger has occurred, we're getting a better look at Zoe & Tammy.....I think that Zoe is the person to watch. She is a sneak. She lied to Rob so pathetically that one could almost believe her. I thik she's strong enough to win immunity and devious enough to play cut throat when its time. I'm a little disappointed in Tammy. I'm not sure who she is or who she wants to be other than a millionaire. I am so ignorant!...What is the pagong? |
Car54 | Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 05:58 pm     Nanya, Pagong was the weaker tribe in S1. After the merge, the Tagi alliance systematically voted the Pagong members off one by one. Now when that happens, we call it pagonging. |
Hippyt | Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 06:29 pm     I'm still leaning towards Sean this week,but Gina8642 you are right on about Kathy. Her insecurities would get on my nerves so bad I'd vote for her to leave! Yuruhu,I don't think think Gina said much to N/P/K about Vee. You heard them bad mouth Sean and Rob a couple of times,but they never mentioned her. I think they would welcome her in an alliance,and maybe Sean too.(Now that Neleh is getting tired of the lying.) |
Llkoolaid | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 03:57 am     I am sticking with John for one more week, giving them one last week to wake up and while they would still have a majority, realize that if they don't band together against John that they will get no closer than 5th and it will be Pagong City. I am probably giving them more credit for brains than they deserve but I want John gone so I am hoping. Nanya, I think Vee's chances are better with Sean because I think John is only using her vote until his team of 4 have a voting majority and then she is dispensible. With Sean, Kathy, Neleh and Paschal she has a bigger chance of going further than 5, especially winning an immunity. |
Fruitbat | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:23 am     Car, what is your logic for seeing Sean stay this time? You thinking Kathy? |
C1mag | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:59 am     Kathy getting the boot all depends on P,N,S,and V. John could be the surprise boot if Kathy finally starts getting this game. I don't see why she is so concerned wheather Zoe is her pal or not. Her concern should be to find an alliance and take control of this sucker before she's toast. I want to scream at her..." Pagong before you are pagonged damn it!!" We know Tammy is this weeks immune so the most vulnerable would be Kathy, John and of coarse Sean. If Vee and Sean vow to fight to the end then maybe something unexpected might happen. I guess the real question is P and N. Am I doing the wishful thing again? |
Fruitbat | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:09 am     .<smack>. |
C1mag | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:11 am     I will say this... If someone from the pre-merge alliance of four (J,R,T,Z) doesn't go this week, then Gina is right on the mark with the outcome of this game. Any further editing would be just to have some fun with the viewers and keep up wishful thinkers begging for a different outcome. Which goes back to the days of Colleen. I don't know if anyone else has seen the lastest promo's but MB sure is capitalizing on Captain John this week to pull the viewers in. |
C1mag | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:14 am     Fruit !! ROFLMAO !!! I told you I'm going to have megga bruises before this show is over. |
Fruitbat | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 05:37 am     I agree with Gina 100%. Kathy or Sean is next and I lean toward Kathy. Sean is all alone. Kathy has bonded with P and N and they will see that as a power to break. If anyone could organize against them it would be Kathy, she has pull with P and N. (or so they may think) And she has voted for Zoe. The Jury Out title could reflect the divided vote and the deliberating that takes place. P and N will not want to vote Kathy ahead of Sean. I can see the votes as: Kathy 5 (Tammy's alliance), Sean 2 (P and N), John 1 (Sean) and Zoe 1 (Kathy). Tammy said there were 5 in her alliance. I am counting Vee as the fifth despite her vowing/lying to Sean about sticking together. She is too smart to join a sinking ship. Now I will go with you here for a moment C1mag....Kathy and Sean actually *do* pull it together and Neleh and Paschall see the light. Vee senses a change in the wind and.............we have Sean, Vee, Kathy, Neleh and Pascall actually giving us the game we all want to see. Oh please, oh please. (stands waiting for appropriate jar back to reality) |
C1mag | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:36 am     Ok I'm thinking it's a Kathy boot this week as well. |
Car54 | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:24 am     Just remember...we do NOT know Tammy is immune. We know we see her wearing the necklace. She may try it on while Kathy still has claim. She may indeed win but could give it away, or someone else may win and give it to her. Nothing is a given now that the IC rule has changed...don't bet on it. |
Twiggyish | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:42 am     I think John is going to gun after Sean. John didn't like Gabe because he wasn't a reliable member in the alliance. Sean didn't go with the others in TC. He'll be a target. On the other hand, Kathy is also vulnerable. She caused a lot of trouble after merge. It sure is a toss up this week. As I said in the other thread, John is still needed by the others to stay in the game. I am sure at the first opportunity, they'll boot him, but right now, they are using him. Tammy, Paschel,Neleh and Zoe seem safe. Vee is staying UTR. Let's hope she keeps that strategy. Robert is playing it cool. I see him staying a while. One last note about Kathy, she voted against Zoe in TC. I find that an interesting twist. Car, I am going with your theory. It makes sense that MB would then use the opportunity to mislead us. |
Moondance | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:44 am     >One last note about Zoe, she voted against Kathy in TC. I find that an interesting twist. < No she voted for Rob! Kathy voted for Zoe so of course Zoe didn't vote WITH her she can't vote herself off! |
Twiggyish | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:45 am     I fixed it. Thanks! =) |
Llkoolaid | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:46 am     Fruitbat I think you are 100% right on with your last post. It is so easy to see what they should be doing sitting in the living room watching tv. I tend to forget that they don't see everything that we do or the stress they are under. I am hoping they wake up so I am still sticking with John in My deadpool because I want him gone and deadpool is crap now with so many people voting by Acme so I don't really care if I am at the bottom or not. At least I will get there on my own. |
Car54 | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:56 am     1. I think Sean's editing has been deceptive. He was emotional last week because he felt he had bonded with John and he felt John betrayed him. We have not seen him bonding but it clearly happened. Sean and Vee may not be the outcasts we think. During the prayer scene, they were very much part of the group. 2. I think Kathy's story arc is on the downward slope. Unless she makes an immunity run, I can't see her future in the store going much further. 3. I disagree that Zoe is totally safe. I think there is a reason she has been given no screen time since the first episode. I really think her moment is yet to come, but Rob has set her up as a target. As of noon Et, I am with Kathy, then John as targets. Might change my mind |
Twiggyish | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:03 am     Car, I can surely see Kathy going after Zoe. For sure Zoe's time is coming. It is very strange she hasn't been given screen time..hmmm. Now you have me thinking |
Fruitbat | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:11 am     I am thinking the same thing, Car. There is more to see of Sean. His story is not complete, we have not seen enough of this controversial character. Zoe's story is just beginning. Kathy's is over. We have seen too much of her for her not to go this week. Don't know what to think about John. He is in a strong alliance. I see him around awhile. I voted for Kathy. I don't change my TVCH votes anyway but I will be in NY and won't bother to even check Acme. I will enjoy the show a little more not knowing. I am ignoring the Tammy and IC debate. It is irrevelant. |
Car54 | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 10:39 am     As I said, the key here is the conversation between Kathy and Zoe...that determines where Kathy aligns, and after that, if she stays with the Maraamus, Vecipia is the pivotal player...she holds all the power. |
Seamonkey | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 10:48 am     Eyemail Big Talk, Big Trouble! Bostonian Rob Mariano’s mouth finally did him in as the newly merged Soliantu tribe voted him off the island, pretty much leaving his buddies Sean and Vecepia to fend for themselves. Thursday’s episode (April 18, 8/7c) finds them doing just that as John begins to zero in on them. And Kathy continues to press Zoe on the issue of telling the truth. (emphasis mine) They definitely want us to think that Vee isn't aligned with John, but with Sean.. OR that John is wanting them in alliance, perhaps to off N, P and K?? |
Twiggyish | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 12:35 pm     Don't you think Vee is less a threat to John? I would think John would keep Vee and go after the one he sees as competition. Just a thought. |
Car54 | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 12:52 pm     That's my point, Vee has proven she does not have a firm alliance...she has voted back and forth with different groups since the beginning...that makes her valuable in that she is not firmly attached to any other player, and it makes her dangerous, in that you cannot predict her vote. She is pivotal. If I were John I would nail her down or vote her off. Same for the Maraamus. Sean is probably a good person for either team to use to communicate with her...he has a good relationship with her historically. |
Awareinva | Monday, April 15, 2002 - 02:53 pm     The preview for next week's "Peas in a Pod" episode from TV Guide says: Thursday April 25, 2002 Feast or Famine Only half of the original 16 contestants remain as the fourth edition of the reality series, which has seen a significant spike in its overall ratings since it returned to a tropical-island setting, enters Day 25 on Nuku Hiva. As the countdown- or body count- continues, the series' sprint to the finish looks to be more competitive and unpredictable than its lopsided beginning, in which the Maraamu tribe lost five of the first six immunity challenges. Tonight, the eight remaining merged-tribe members divide into four teams of two to compete for a Marquesan feast. The winning duo are taken by helicopter and then horseback to a beautiful locale for a lavish banquet and dancing. The picture shows The General sitting looking up and back over his left shoulder. He has a pleasant almost smiling expression. Tammy is recliing in front of him on the ground looking at Robert's face. She looks serious, almost frowning. |
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