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Archive through May 03, 2002
Grooch | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:28 am     You know what the problem with the mint was? It wasn't so much that it was in her mouth. It was in the presentation. They showed a scene earlier where they were all talking about food and what they would like to eat. Kathy had toleave because she said the food talk was driving her crazy because she couldn't have any and what was the point. Then Neleh comes back from the boat and was going on and on about all the great food they got to eat. Which the other survivors listened too, but it must have been making them go crazy like Kathy said about the earlier food talk. Then, as an afterthought she realizes she has a mint in her mouth and realizes she should offer it to them. She had it in her mouth the whole time they were talking. I do believe they were not allowed to bring any food back. She said she swiped it before leaving the boat. If that was the best she could get for them, she could have stuffed it in her mouth with the wrapper on and hand a second one to Pasqual to take back too. Or if they had to take the wrapper off, stick it in your mouth and put it in your pocket the second you get a chance. But it is obvious that it never occurred to her at the time when she took the mint, that she was going to offer it the rest of the survivors. If she had thought about it, she would have taken it out of her mouth right away and offered it. Instead of sitting there talking and sucking on it. They could have even boiled it in water for a few seconds (I am assuming it is a hard candy if it lasted so long from the boat to the beach. She didn't do anything mean or bad. She is just oblivious. The presentation was pretty bad. |
Spygirl | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:48 am     Glad to know I'm not the only one with these feelings. I really didn't think the mint thing was disgusting. I thought it was a nice gesture although poorly presented as Grooch said. I have to admit that I have shared gum, mints, and candy with others before -- although they were people I felt close to (and some were people with whom I was already exchanging saliva anyway ). Those are pretty extreme circumstances out there and if I had wanted that mint, I would have taken it if even if it had drooped on the ground out of her mouth. I also just can't trust the editing in these circumstances given that we've repeatedly been mislead in the past (just look at the previews we got for Vee this week compared to what actually happened....good example). Seamonkey, you are soooo right on about Neleh getting jumped on for this and others are not for attacking. It seems way out of proportion to me and reflective of a rather slow episode and a need to find something to talk/complain about. Good points Weinermr about the languaging thing. I also think that Neleh is responsible for her own actions, and even if Pappy views her as a second daughter, we don't follow our children around and correct everything they do. Pappy is not her father and I'm sure he would never dream of bossing her around. But I'm not convinced he didn't a bit "overboard" himself or actually say something to her and we just don't get to see it. And Wink -- thanks for the mints!!! |
Abbynormal | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:57 am     The point to me is that whomever went on the ship was under no obligation to bring back anything to anyone. Although it would have been a nice gesture, I'm sure after everyone had a little peice of the pie, they would have started in with the sucking up aspect of it. Face it, just about anything that is done from this point on is considered suspect. Although Neleh did run on, what would you have her do? If she had been tight lipped, everyone would have wondered what she was hiding. It's a game and fun to speculate but I think they all would have done the same thing. Except maybe the mint thing. JMO |
Wink | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:31 am     It's all in the editing. MB has to mix things up and show new sides to the players who are getting too comfortable. He has made an attempt to redeem Sean and Kathy and now he is going the other way with Neleh and to a lesser extent Paschal. He has to hint to us that Neleh could be in trouble so that we'll have something to talk about. |
Willi | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:36 am     Actually I agree with all of you and basically I just want to say oh my heck dudes...A half-chewed mint is basically half of a mint that actually started as a whole mint.
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Car54 | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:47 am     Grooch is right, no one thing that Neleh and Paschel did was wrong, but in the context of the game, and in light of the situation as a whole, they made several foolish mistakes. Not bringing something back was one. If they were prevented, that should have been discussed up front, so the others would know that they tried. We never saw them make an effort on the boat or even discuss the issue, so you kind of get the impression it just didn't occur to them, and Neleh's having the mint in her mouth supports that. If she grabbed a mint at the end and that was allowed, put it in your pocket as a gesture- she ate it herself. I don't think either of them were particularly bad, just a bit thoughtless and selfish, and that is all it takes on this show. You are one breath mint away from the boot at all times. It doesn't take a heck of a lot to get people against you on Survivor. Does the name Kel mean anything to you? |
Willi | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:50 am     Car said, "You are one breath mint away from the boot at all times." That sums it up beautifully! |
Grooch | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:55 am     I love that phrase too, Car! It is perfect. |
Buttercup | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:56 am     Oh my heck, it's awwwwwwnnnnnnn!!!
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Seamonkey | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:59 am     Oh I agree there, about not taking much to get people against you, my heck, they seem to be looking for something to pounce on, even if it is totally illogical, like Sean suddenly whining about others not pulling their weight, but earlier he was whining about them working way too hard.. and expecting him to work.. surely he'd not really argue that this made sense.. EXCEPT part of the game.. he wants to eliminate Neleh so he starts talking about her not working. and I'm sure they all do it. for one thing, it isn't easy to have to keep voting people off and most of them probably feel better if they can dredge up a "reason". Thanks for the creme brulee and no calories at all.. sigh. |
Car54 | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 12:07 pm     Of course they are looking for something. Every three days you HAVE to boot someone. It is much easier to live with yourself if you convince yourself the person somehow deserves it. It was interesting because I thought we had seen Vee working just as much as anyone else, yet Tammy chose to target her for not working. I am still puzzled by that choice, but I bet it made Tammy feel more justified in voting her. I am guessing Neleh makes the jury soon, from John's comments- he got to know her and likes her. |
Neko | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 12:13 pm     About the bring of food back, Look at what they were eating. Little bits of food in many course just like a fine resteraunt. It wasn't like pieces of bread and large slabs of roasted pig that Paschal and Sean got to bring back. When they showed that bowl of mints, I was thinking "Shove them in the bag! Shove them in the bag!!" But...obvivously she didn't  |
Mygetaway | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 01:01 pm     Then, as an afterthought she realizes she has a mint in her mouth and realizes she should offer it to them. She had it in her mouth the whole time they were talking. This is what I was thinking too Grooch. I don't think she really thought about it, until that point, and then it was "here, take the mint out of my mouth, please!" I also agree that it's getting closer to the end, the minds are going, and they have to rationalize their reasons for voting their "friends" off the island. Anything they can pick apart they will. |
Julieboo | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:08 pm     >>She gets jumped on for this but people love sean and rob despite some really nasty statements just because they are charming.. seems out of proportion to me. << That's a great point Seamonkey. And Neleh at one point did say she was upset that they couldn't bring anything back with them. I really doubt that they didn't bring food back just because tey didn't think of it. |
Yuhuru | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:46 pm     Am I the only person who didn't even notice the "Oh My Heck" thing !?!?!?!?!? Since I didn't notice, it didn't bug me. Neleh doesn't bug me either, but I'm also not a big fan. The mint thing was just plain dumb. It may taint her image with the other tribe members for a while. Neleh, I'm sure is a great person. However, I do not believe that she is super sweet or naive. I think she's playing a game to win a million bucks. Until last night, she was just as UTR as Vee. She never seemd to do an awful lot of work to me, but so what. Ethan didn't seem to do much work and he was very UTR IMO, but everybody (except me) seemed ecstatic that he won. |
Grooch | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:52 pm     Yuhuru, I didn't notice her saying it either. |
Fruitbat | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:54 pm     Just for the record, I was not ecstatic with Ethan winning. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:58 pm     They were only given a meal. It wasn't a buffet so they couldn't bring back anything other than the mints. I didn't see them ordering their meals so I think they were just served single portions and not able to get at any other food. One thing I noticed that Neleh said that bothered me was a short conversation she had with Kathy when they arrived back at the beach. They hugged and Kathy said "don't get to close I stink, Neleh responded " Yeah if I get too close I might puke". I think she made quite a few unintentional mistakes that will cost her. |
Weinermr | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:00 pm     Yuhuru, I was not ecstatic with Ethan winning either. Go Teresa!!! (oops... too late) |
Puttergirl | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:12 pm     I think ya'll are making a mountain out of a mint!! (yuk, yuk)... but seriously folks, I saw her gesture as one of those things that is out of your mouth before you think. She probably wished she hadn't said it very soon after it came out. I, for one, am very bad about innocently sticking my foot in my mouth (or in her case, a mint). |
Weinermr | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:13 pm     I think Neleh mint no harm. |
Puttergirl | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:28 pm     Neleh just can't get a mint... no, I mean hint. |
Dipo | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:40 pm     OMG, buttercup, I nearly died laughing when I read "It's awwwwnnnn!" Haven't heard that in tooo long. Of course you almost got me busted at work since everyone wanted to know what was so funny, and you can't explain it if they arent BB fanatics. Still laughing. |
Misslibra | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:40 pm     OMG! Don't even go there! Because actually it basically comes down to this. Neleh just didn't use her pretty little head, but mean't no harm. And I'm sorry but "Oh my heck"! Sucks!! LOL And I have to say one other thing Paschal kicked much butt last night in the underwater challenge. |
Fruitbat | Friday, May 03, 2002 - 03:46 pm     Yes Puttergirl, I saw that too. I also think that hindsight will tell Paschall that choosing another to go would have been a tactical advantage to both he and Neleh. If this is brought up in an interview he will say it was worth losing the money to be able to take such a sweet deserving girl with him. No regrets. I think he bought her a ticket to go next week. I wish just once someone would say....I kicked myself for that and if I had it to do over I would do it differently. The adventure was great but I really wanted that money. |
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