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Xxlt

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
all kidding aside....

people will always use the easiest way out in a situation where they cannot 'assimilate' and contribute to a group goal; some people use race, gender, religion. When in doubt, cry the loudest and everyone will rush to your side, with kid gloves on, and make sure that are not hassled in any way.

Squaredsc

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh and xxlt love the racism/nascar. i was rotflmao

Moondance

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right Xxlt.. sad isn't it?

Xxlt

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sorry,
did not finish my thought......

you work hard enough with somebody, side by side,
the only thing they will see is your heart and drive..........they will forget your color, sex,
religion....the scary part is that they may get to like you and you'll become friends.......
and you know what they say about friends!

never let them borrow money..

Julieboo

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WHOWHERE

going back to your comment about Hunter.... yes, there have been blasts to Rob, but that has been entirely based on what he has said and done (stuff he had control over)--and not at all about his looks!

Julieboo

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And Jville

I disagree, I think Who's post is way more unnaceptable than the others here. Apparently I am not the only one who feels this way either.

Jville

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 02:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Apparently it wasn't unacceptable enough to get deleted by the moderators.

Whowhere

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squaredsc -

I'd be happy to be your play cousin :)

Cinnamongirl

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Jville, part of Whowheres post was moderated.

Yuhuru

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was going to comment, but I come to this site to chill, relax. This is definetly not the thread for that!

One thing I know for sure...I luv Survivor IV !!!!

Yuhuru

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooh, One more thing...I hate the term "race card". I think it originated with the O.J. trial. What term did we use before "race card"?

Guinevere

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
>He's on TV. Could all of us honestly say that we would act the same in front of a national audience as we would be at work/home/church??<

That is true of every reality show contestant. I don't cut Sean any more slack on that count than I do anyone else. Whowhere, has there ever been a contestant on Survivor, BB, or any reality show that you disliked? Did you keep this in mind for them? IMO, this is something that is brought out to defend indefensible behavior.

>>I KNOW that MB is showing us his worst side, regardless of what those (who I'm sure will attack me for saying this) think.<<

That's a risk that reality show contestants run. Talk to Jerri Manthey.

>He's a brotha, from NY, no doubt, on an island with a bunch of white people. Would that set him up with attitude? Yes, I think it would.<

Why? Unless he's a racist (or at least prejudiced), why would that immediately cause him to have an attitude? Would he have had an attitude if he was stuck with a bunch of Asian people? Latino people? Eskimos? Is his problem, in your opinion, only with whites, or any non-blacks? Can you explain why you think this is reasonable?

>Just how do you think Hunter would act if it were him, Gina and 6 black guys from NY?<

Who knows? From what I've seen of him, I think he'd have done a damn sight better than Sean has. I don't think it's fair to blame Hunter for things that never even happened...

>He's a successful person in his life, with his career - perhaps he automatically feels they think he's inadequate compared to the other tribe members or assumes they would stereotype him as the 'ghetto brotha' who has no money and no intellect.<

Well, that may be true, in which case his behavior is just caused by garden-variety insecurity. But that doesn't make him make him more likable, for me (maybe a bit pitiable).

>If it were 6 blacks and 2 whites we would see a completely different Sean. He would be in his element and, more than likely, already know he's highly respected by the other black people.<

That's probably true. But that doesn't mean that we aren't seeing the "real Sean" it just means that we're not seeing the "whole Sean". (Which I think can also be said of any reality show contestant; between the stress of the game and the pitfalls of editing, I think it's impossible to really "know" these people.)

>Most of us know that black people have been conditioned to think that white people automatically group them in that category.<

Hm, I think that's pretty convoluted thinking. I don't assume that "black people" as a whole, think anything. I don't claim to be completely without prejudices (and I don't believe people who say they are), but I believe, in theory, in treating people as individuals. So I can't agree that black people think a particular way about what white people think, or that they are right in thinking that.

>It's sad that that's how people think, but in my experience, white people have given blacks plenty of reason to have that attitude.<

Again, lots of racial lumping happening here.

>If he wants to play the race card, let him.<

Uh, nobody stopped him (nor could they have).

>What saddens me is when white people get all offended when blacks say anything about being black or commenting about slavery.<

I am not a "white person" who was offended by the slavery comment, I am a human being disgusted by Sean's self-pitying, self-aggrandizing, whining overstatement. It's was pretty akin to when I've heard people compare their petty troubles to the Holocaust. It cheapens the horror of the real thing, on one level. On another level, it just goes to show how completely out of touch Sean really is.

>If I were on the island, Sean and I would be tight, because I would be open and tell him, straight up, that I admire him and think he's an outstanding person.<

Well, yes, I think then you and Sean would be tight. I think Sean reacts very well to having his ass kissed. He certainly seemed to enjoy it with Peter.

>He obviously has built in resentment toward white people and I'm sure something or someone in his life prompted that.<

Yeah, and people who join the KKK have things in their lives that prompt them to do that. Doesn't make it right.

>Is that his fault? No,<

Oh, cowpatties. Sean isn't 4. He's responsible for himself, his prejudices, his resentments, AND his behavior.

>Something I've learned as I've aged that goes with that is in order to truly understand people, you have to have the ability to walk in their shoes.<

I do believe that, but I also think that understanding and condoning are two very different things.

Whowhere, I'm sorry if you feel attacked by my picking apart your post. It had a lot of things that interested me and that I wanted to respond to.

Moondance

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guinevere - love your post!

Again you are a voice of reason!

Yuhuru

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Square,
You've really got the clubhouse going. Lovin' it aren't 'cha?

Hey, help me out on the unofficial rules here...

It's o.k. to talk negatively about Sarah's boobs

It's not o.k. to talk about Hunter's nose

What about Pappy's chicken legs???

Oh, sorry Square I got off topic.

Llkoolaid

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep wanting to comment but I am not quite sure what I feel about Sean's comments. It is sad to see Sean's obvious negative opinion of white people and what they make him feel like. He must have experiences that make him feel that way. I think he is now frustrated knowing that he is going to get the boot no matter what he does. He could have gone into Rotu and worked really hard and he would be gone because he was a threat, or he could have tried to blend in like Vee but he would still get the boot because he hasn't had the time to bond with this tight knit group. I think his outburst just got him sent of 3 days earlier than he would have. I think Sean was smart enough to know that when he got put in Rotu his fate was sealed and it was just a matter of time, so he just gave up and said he wasn't slavin for anyone when he was getting the boot anyway. I don't really like his comments but they are probably more frustration than anything else.

Llkoolaid

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 03:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh and I forgot to add that I still think he is a lazy ahole, not quite as bad as Rob but definatly a threat to take the alpha butt award. At least I don't remember him making comdescending comments about women ( I might have missed them) or homphobic comments.

Xxlt

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
about 5 years ago there was a professional b-ball
player who refused to stand for the National Anthem.......he claimed that him being a Muslim
did not jibe with standing for the song, he brought into the arguement that he had a problem with the United States and it politics......
during a spirited conversation with a woman, who backed the knucklehead, i reminded her that when he went to cash his check he was paid in currency with "United States of America" on it........that type of hypocrisy makes your point useless and makes you look pretty stupid......if a person is going to make outlandish statements about his beliefs he'd better be ready to go to the mat for his ideals and principles.

after hearing sean and learning that he is a b-ball coach i thought about that story..

time for me to be ridiculous......
i'd like to see the Spanish TV stations do an all-
latin version of the show......the folks could pick more fruit, cook, clean and garden around the campsite more efficiently than any white folks...........that would solve the work problem, no one would complain about race and the rice would always be cooked perfectly....
(that is my satirical look at Sean's rants..
i have roots in mexico and I am sorry if i offended anyone with that idea for a TV show! again, it's a satire and no offense was meant.)

racism is a dark, ugly stain in american history and until we are willing to wash our hands of the whole notion, people will always be afraid to shake the hands of the person next to them....

Car54

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhuru, we commented lots about Hunter's nose when the cast first came out. We are really into body parts. Have you been to Fruitbat's folder lately? You will see what I mean.

Yuhuru

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm going there now. It just seems that we're getting awfully sensitive these days regarding are favs on Survivor.

I thought that one reason this site exists is to talk about these people.

Squaredsc

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 04:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
are we allowed to say "a**?? i didn't know, oops now i think its gone.

xxlt i was feelin' you for a moment until you brought up the comment about the b-ball player and not standing for the National Anthem and called him a knucklehead 'cause he cashed his check?? well if i remember correctly muhammad(sp) ali went to jail 'cause he wouldn't go to vietnam and was later exhonerated(sp) and he i am sure certainly cashed his checks before this and after this. and i believe the b-ball player did go to the mat for his beliefs, he never stood for the anthem, and has been banned from the nba so he has gone to the mat for his beliefs.


regarding who's and guin's posts about being the only black person in a group of white people or non-blacks and vice versa. from a personal standpoint, i am black(in case you all haven't figured that out by now). i went to a majority white school. i was usually the only black person in class or one of two. and yes at first i was very uncomfortable. in fact when i go places or in a training class and im the only black person, i still feel a little uncomfortable and my usual reaction is to try to go unnoticed until i get the lay of the land. as we have seen sean has the opposite reaction and other people do also. they choose to take the offense instead of defense and i do. i don't think this is going to go away anytime soon. especially when i go to a certain store and i am either ignored totally but when a white person comes in they are fauned(sp) over, or the opposite happens and they trail behind me like im going to steal something. and this goes both ways i am sure, like if a white person goes to a black establishment the same things may happen. i don't know 'cause i can only comment from my perspective.

but yes i still do get uncomfortable until like i said, get the lay of the land and get to know people and people get to know me and then we forget about our mutual colors.

Nessietessie

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 04:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
aw come on who,and moderator too, I didn't really think your collie was you!
I was trying to lightenen up, I certainly would not attack a members looks,
I was making a joke!!
By the way, I checked your new picture, and you are beautiful.

Kep421

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Square, Ali refused to fight in Vietnam because he felt it was against his religion as a Muslim to kill...not because he was against the American government. Yes, he was against the war, and felt it was wrong to be involved in it, a lot of us felt the same way he did. But that didn't mean Ali or any us hated America. Quite the opposite. Ali and many others practiced civil disobediance because they loved our country and wanted to make it better.

I have never heard Ali say anything negative against his country, so its not really fair to compare him with the ball player who refused to stand for the national anthem. Ali is a great American hero...and I don't think he would approve of what that ball player did.

While this ball player clearly can not bring himself to honor America and what it stands for, he certainly doesn't have a problem with reaping the rewards from a country that (according to him) doesn't deserve his respect. That's what makes him a hypocrite. JMHO.

Julieboo

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YUHURU

you posted

>>Hey, help me out on the unofficial rules here...

It's o.k. to talk negatively about Sarah's boobs

It's not o.k. to talk about Hunter's nose<<

I would bet that Sarah had something to do about the way her boobs look....

Yuhuru

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 05:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Julieboo

Maybe Hunter should do something about his nose. Just jokes. I actually hadn't noticed his nose. I think Hunter is handsome.

What difference does it make if Sarah had her boobs enhanced? Maybe they were little raisins before, and she really needed a boost.

Anyway, Julieboo I'm just giving you a hard time because you seem so angry. Thought I'd pop your pressure relief valve.

Underdog

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 05:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
O.K. people I'm back. I'm sure that all of you missed me! I see that a number of you are still debating the whole race issue, cinnamongirl seems to have a problem with me pointing out the lable applied to sean as the proverbial " lazy black male". C-Girl, check the previous post the claim was laid before i entered the discussion, that's why I entered the discussion. Who, I thought that you brought up some very good points along with squared. What puzzles me is why it is so hard for a lot of the others to accept the reality that we african americans must deal with, and adapt to in this society. There is a major glitch in the matrix.

Actually, the equation is a very simple one, but unless you know what it is like on the other side then you can not solve the unknown!

Sure Sean and Rob made a mockery of themselves, and probebly didn't endear themselves to their new tribmates by assuming that they were going to be voted out next. This is the part that puzzles me. How is it that tammy already had the perception that rob and sean were already labled as lazy, after they had already pitched in and contributed to the days' tasks?

Is it really necessary to work from sun up to sun down on a tropical island? Are the other tribe members trying to be impressive by showing that there is much to be done, or is this a case of overkill? After working to make sure all of the necessities are taken care of can a man/woman take it upon himself to rest, after all on the 7th day GOD rested. and none of us come close to him!