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Muse

Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thought it might be nice to have a specific thread for general thoughts...

Vee - Well, she won. And I don't think anyone can say that someone who won didn't "deserve" it, because...hello. They did what it took to win, obviously. But I have to say that it was a let-down for me. Vecepia was even more under the radar than Neleh, IMHO, and just didn't interest me at all. I'm also worried that we'll hear her discussing/praising Jesus on a regular basis when she comes back to make predictions on S5, btw. I think she won largely because she spoke more eloquently at the final vote...she seemed to be saying what the jury *wanted* to hear, whereas Neleh was just her same old self. And finally - I *really* disliked how Vecepia seemed to think it's okay to do something wrong, as long as you asked for forgiveness later. I don't buy that. To ask for forgiveness, you should actually regret what you did. Otherwise you're just asking for understanding, which is totally different.

Neleh - She won me back in the last episode. Good for her for doing so well in the final IC. I thought Kathy and Vee were rude when they were doing the tattoos and saying they were glad they would make the final two. And even though it cost her the million, I'm glad that Neleh didn't apologize to John. She had no reason to.

Kathy - Did we see all the votes at ALL? Did I just miss it? Because I want to know who Kathy voted for. If she voted for Vee, I'll be so disappointed...Vee sold her out on a technicality, which really isn't cool. Anyway, I'm kind of disappointed that Miss Kathy didn't win. Didn't like her bonding with Vee much, but she was still my favorite of the final four. Btw - she did look much prettier with the straight hair and clean clothes.

Paschal - Handled his unfair exit with total grace and class. There really should have been a trivia contest between Neleh and Kathy, IMHO. His comments about Sean at the reunion were really sweet, btw.

What else? Oh, fun to see Colby again. Rosie was an okay host. I got all my deadpool votes right (thanks, SNews). I still can't believe Sean tried to claim that his friendship with Vecepia didn't translate into an alliance. Tammy is a very, very bitter woman who needs to get over herself. John is a hypocritical moron. Zoe is still weird.

Looking forward to S5! :)

Mssilhouette

Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry but since the game is Outwit, Outplay and Outlast that's exactly what Vee did, if not she wouldn't have won. It's crap to talk about if she did work or if she deserved it or not. I mean if you really compare who did what on gameplay you'd have to give it to Vee. She was under the radar which is part of a plan and she made deals when they were required.

If she ask for forgiveness (which coming second hand from bitter woman doesn't eactly mean much to me) so freaking what? She did what she felt was right for the actions she took and she ask forgivness from her higher power. Yeah I get tired of the praise the lord but that's her thing and that gets her through it. The only one who can judge her actions were those 7 people and her God. So let's just get over that part.

The woman played the game with intelligence and with a game plan. Everyone else who had bitter grapes just didn't have the best plan to win. I mean the Woman kept notes about everyone so she would win later on! That's forethought and planning, she came to win and that's exactly what she did.

I thought Rosie was a crappy host, I posted my reasons under "Why Rosie?" but overall I never thought she had a great interview technique.

Um I thought everyone else was saying nice things at the reunion as they normally so it was nice to hear. I think Tammy and John need to get over themsleves they had a game plan then their egos got in the way...period.

Sean was sean as always. Paschal was paschal, I Think that speech at the end was a bit more of just cleaning up what words slipped out his mouth during the game, but it was nice to hear.

Colby...why oh because he's one of Rosie's favorites. I didn't even know who he was for a second until Rosie said so. Heck I was thinking that isn't Hardy. LOL

Overall it was an exciting survivor and I'm looking forward to Big Brother 3. I'd say I'm looking forward to Survivor 5 but I'm kinda not....I don't know why but I'm just not....anyone else feel the same way?

Ironman

Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The jury part seemed a little odd this time with more people making general statements and not as many questions. Nobody asked what they were going to do with the money. At least there were no stupid questions ie pick a number.

I thought the reunion was funny showing clips of the most humerous moments. Rosie did a good job of ribbing the selected few but failed to get all the contestants involved. Overall though she was better then Gumbel.

Mygetaway

Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I'll comment here, before I try and read all the posts. I stayed off the computer all weekend, because I was afraid I'd go, and try to find out who won. For once, I really wanted no more hints or ideas.
Wow! What an ending. Poor Paschal, picking that purple stone, but think what might have happened, had he not left the game then. I was really disappointed that Kathy didn't win. I can understand Vee, but I also think it's stinks, that she didn't do the right thing, (because I feel Kathy played the game better than Neleh) and take Kathy with her. I have this feeling that "karma" may catch up with Kathy somehow. (Good karma) Tonight I kept thinking how she reminded me of Marg Helgenberger.
I think I'm going to have to stop for now..
S5 looks like it will be good, and new. Here's to waitng all over again!

Sunriverose

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Finale, tense, exciting, and disappointing.
Reunion show, great potential, fun with Rosie, Way too many commercials and not enough time with contestants.
Fault goes to CBS. They ruined it for all of us, shame on them.

Wink

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would guess by the lack of people posting that there aren't too many people celebrating Vee's win. I can't say I'm excited about the final outcome. I would prefer my winner to be more compelling and neither Vee nor Neleh would have been my choice to meet that criteria.

I was happy to see how great Kathy looked in New York. It broke my heart to see her pain when she came down from those poles and watched the Vee and Neleh deal go down. No doubt Neleh felt somewhat the same way when Vee and Kathy talked during their tattoing session. Survivor 1V really told Kathy's story and I think she will be one of my all-time favourites. She was certainly my choice to win.

I thought Paschal handled that rock in the bag deal with a lot of composure. What a crappy way to be voted out. He did, however, tick me off when he stood up before the jury voted and said something to the effect of what fine young women they were and how proud he'd be to have Vee or Neleh as his daughter. I find that peculiar when 2 or 3 days earlier he said it would sicken him to see Vee in F2. Then he proceeded to vote and he commented that Neleh was more honest, less deceitful, and always finished challenges whether she was in the lead of not. Mr. Disingenuous thy name is Paschal.

Rosie was okay but she clearly played favourites and I felt bad for those that didn't get acknowledged, Patricia, Peter, Zoe and Robert in particular. I guess because no story was told by MB and his editors about them that they didn't rate any recognition. And what was the deal with having Paschal's wife come up on stage? Enuff of him already. Vee was the winner. Why wasn't someone from her family invited up?

I don't know if I'm looking forward to S5 or not. Guess I'll go cry in my beer for awhile and ponder that one.

Seamonkey

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I could have easily lost Rosie, but, so be it.. she seems to have her hooks into the next survivor already.. On AOL one of the links for tonight's survivor is all about Rosie.. her leaving her show, her philosophy, her issues and of course her book!..

Anyway.. I WAS happy to see her point out Neleh's grace at her age.. Like when Vecepia was more eloquent at times.. well gosh, she's got 15 years on Neleh. The vote was as close as it could be and I thought N and V handled that gracefully.

The bitter bitter stuff.. well that will just eat at those who are bitter. I do think that after Sue Hawke got so much out of being so unpleasant, some see that as the "way to go".. too bad.

Most of them looked great.. I cannot believe that Gabe hauled that smelly teddybear with him.. get OVER it. (now, the voodoo doll, that woulda been ok). Gabe, Peter, Patricia.. oddly don't "clean up" much in my view. I think the cornrows suit Sean perfectly, but his 'fro on the jury .. well he just looked so CLEAN and happy to be clean.

I had to agree that Paschal and Kathy were the "most improved" but thought Neleh was right up there too.

When Rosie was ribbing Sarah and Rob and then said she was really good friends with Colby but never snuggled with him all night.. well DUH!! Rosie, you like women, remember? And you are now out about it so why keep up this drooling over guy hunks?


Personally I thought Vee was more deceptive and conniving than Neleh (and I think both were just playing the game and mostly people should just get over it all).. and I DID think it was offensive when she told the camera with a little giggle that it was ok to betray someone as long as she then confessed to Jesus and then apologized to the person.. and she pulled a semi Richard Hatch.. he just let go of the pole and left Rudy to hang out to dry when if they were allied he should have made a real effort.

Vee WAS in a pact with Kathy, it was said in front of God, Jeff, the cameras, the jury and the viewing audience, so seems to me that since she promised to go to the end with Kathy then she should have made a real effort, but it took about 30 seconds for her to reverse direction and approach Neleh . Oh my HECK!!

I see nothing wrong with people on the jury simply making a statement at tribal council.. all that means to me is that they have decided what their vote will be and won't play the charade of making the two people jump through another hoop. Those who needed to hear more.. asked.

I also wonder who was the third vote for Neleh and guessed it was Kathy.. so why aren't they showing that..???

I'm glad they all got cars, that was a good thing..

I guess even though the clips of Rosie's favorite moments were okay, I'd seen them all and I would have liked to see more of their families.. Leander, Tammy's fiance, Neleh's boyfriend, Sarah's boyfriend, Patrick, Sean's girlfriend, Zoe's son.. but that is just me.. not a big deal.

I'm looking forward to BB and the next survivor and TAR.. The Mole.. well I hope I can "get into it" after such a large gap.

Vecepia wasn't my first choice BUT.. she won.. it's cool..

Peace Out and all that jazz.

Been great experiencing all of this again with
TVCH!!

Sunriverose

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And another thing, (I'm getting mad now) I remember all thru BB2 that CBS kept pi**ing us off, with many bad decisions, such as keeping an obviously unbalanced and potentially violent houseguest in the houst till the end, not telling the HG about 9/11, going to FD for those of us who were PAYING for "live" feeds, and etc, etc.
And now ruining the final Survivor show with all those rotting commercials. Lemme See, I wonder why there are just a faithful few of us who continue to watch their shows?

C1mag

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Vee's victory for me was won in the final question. It was a brutal response. She didn't sugar coat it. She said she decieved them and they bought it and that is why she should get the money. It was the truth. Thats how you play the game if you want to win. Neleh's answer was too damn stupid to merrit even one dollar. Not too that Neleh's responses were some of the biggest lie's we have ever heard in a final TC. Did she really think EVERYONE was deserving of winning? Not according to Thursdays show. I guess she decided it wasn't so "Pukey" for herself to be there in the finals with Vee after all.

Paschal's exit was just bad luck. For the first and only time, I felt sorry for him. You don't get that far and then put all your hopes on a colored rock. That part sucked and they should think about never doing that again.

Kathy's exit was predestined. Should we blame Vee? Sure, and thats even more of a reason to give her the million. She out played her and did it to her face as soon as Kathy fell off the peg's. good for Vee! She finally stepped up and showed she was playing for herself.

Tammys little speach was too funny! Just another sore loser that couldn't believe she'd been outplayed by the two "bible thumpers" All I can say to that is... Never mess with God honey your fighting a losing battle! :)

Rosie ROCKED!! No Bryant was fine by me. Found the whole returning cast to be great sports. It would have been great to see Kathy win but the truth is someone like Kathy who play's hard and wears their emotions on their sleave will never win this game. The best players will always get eliminated unless they are lucky enough to win those final immunities or find a sucker to carry them to the finals. She wasn't lucky, so the fates played themselves out.

Over all analysis: I'll be back in the fall too watch it all again and hopefully the new rats and snakes will give us as much laughter and intense moments as these one's did.

C1mag

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh I wanted to add about the Vee moment on the stumps or peg's after kathy fell.

I don't recall Vee ever promising Kathy that she would take her to the finals if she got the final immunity. I only heard Kathy say that if Vee voted her way at that particular TC that Kathy would take Vee to the finals with her if she then won the final immunity. Once Kathy fell off Vee was lookin out for Vee. Nothing wrong in that at all. Even if she did stab kathy in the back, and I didn't see it that way at all, it's still fine. That's also part of the game.

Lying in this game is paramount to winning so knowing that in advance and realizing this game is not daily life, I'm sure God understands and he and his church no doubt are going to recieve some compensation. It's a good lesson. Don't underestimate the sweet innocent ones or the die hard christians. They aren't going to be suckers and for god sakes pay attention to the ones in the background and don't let them keep slipping by.

Myjohnhenry

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 12:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Outwit, Outplay, Outlast (tempered with a little bit of luck) is the name of the game and Vee obviously did it because she won the game. We see a few selectively edited hours of 39 days of a game...edited to best entertain us and suck us in to tuning in week after week and clammering for more...not to mention giving us a chance to speculate and choose our favorites to cheer for and have something to complain about.
The transition from final tribal council to Central Park was the best one yet and I think the best part of the whole last hour of the show.
Did you all notice Jeff standing in back of the Survivors ready to extinguish Neleh's torch?...looked like he was expecting to finish the routine ritual extinguishing and finally just put it out.
The rest of the show...well...as I said over in another thread...didn't go over well with me and while I don't like all the commercials either, it was the way the show went in general that I didn't care for.

Muse

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 01:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mssilhouette, are you responding directly to my post? Because I thought that I explained why I felt that Vecepia "deserved" it. Which isn't the same as me being thrilled with her winning, obviously. :) And as for judging...I don't feel I'm doing that. I don't even know her. Just the edited version of Vecepia. And I don't feel guilty about discussing (or "judging") that version. That's one of the main reason people watch the show, right? To love and/or hate the personalities we're presented with. And as for giving it to Vee - from what I've seen, I probably wouldn't. But I'm not given a vote for some strange reason. :)

Anyway, I agree with C1mag about lying being important in the game. Vecepia said in a confessional that she asked for forgiveness from God for what she did in the game. But you know - she shouldn't. It was just part of the game. She wasn't deliberately trying to hurt anyone, and she was supposed to "outwit", so I don't see why she should feel guilty about it at all.

But I do think it's strange that she seems to feel it's okay to do whatever she wants (even if it apparently goes against her beliefs/morals), as long as she plans to say "sorry" later. I mean, I don't really pay attention to bittercakes Tammy much, but how about Vee's confessional about frequently doing things she felt were wrong because she always knew she could pray and get forgiveness? Most Christians that I know of usually say that you're supposed to actually *feel* sorry when you repent. Not just sort of feel a little guilty and simulataneously plan to do it again soon.

Since she was just playing the game, asking for understanding would've made more sense. Either that or she could've just told the bitter ones to deal and get over it. :) I just wish she would've at least tried to stuck to her values, no matter what they were (lying/manipulating or playing honestly).

Prettywomen

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 02:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't crazy about rosie hosting it but she did an amazing job....everyone looked great. This was the best survivor yet...I love Neleh I hope she is happy...Hey can anyone tell me how much she wins...VEE is the winner congrats...And I love kathy, pappy and all the rest...They were fun folks...I enjoy each of them in theor own way...

Spear

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 02:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Paschal has set a mark that's going to be hard to beat -- eliminated with no votes (ever, right?).

I think it's fair to discuss if the winner was most deserving, if you feel that the game was supposed to be more of a competition instead of something that relied more on luck. If you feel that Survivor is supposed to be more of a fair competition, then of course, you can complain if someone you feel was the better competitor doesn't win. And if this consistently happens, it's not satisfying and is going to turn you off the "game". Look at how some people complain about figure skating.

Now if you don't put as much value in the competition aspect, then of course it doesn't make as much sense to discuss who is most deserving. We wouldn't be asking if the winner of a lottery was most deserving (and I don't think we're talking about deserving in the sense of who needs the money).

I'm not saying who was or was not deserving of the $1M. I'm just trying to explain why, in the minds of some people, it is fair to question if Vecepia was most deserving and to reject the notion that whoever wins automatically had to be most deserving.

Personally, I expected Kathy to have done better in the Fallen Comrades IC and the final IC so I can't say that she was clearly the one who deserved to win. I think Vecepia gives herself more credit in strategizing than she deserved. Somehow, I don't think she would have initiated the ouster of the Rotu Gang of Four if there was no one to do it. I don't think she would have approached Kathy like Sean did even if that was the only move to make. I think her strategy of keeping in the background was what kept her in the game and what made her win was that she won (or didn't lose) the critical Immunity Challenges. So in the end, I can see how she did deserve the win. I just don't agree (as she seems to think) that she had some kind of master plan to do it.

Car54

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 03:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great point, Spear!!! I was thinking about the "dire consequences" too. Didn't think about P getting eliminated without ever incurring a vote! That is Survivor history for sure!

I thought it was interesting that Jeff thought this was a really hard punishment, but the players almost seemed to me to welcome an end that didn't make THEM make the decision.

It was ironic that Paschel, the one who was not on the chopping block was the one to go.

I also wonder what would have happened if one of the others drew the rock... Paschel passed out and had to be taken out within hours...if he was still in the game what would have happened?

It sure IS about luck!

Kizz

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 05:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As far as the rocks go, I don't think we will see those again...I think MB was hoping to stir up a dramatic vote switch right in front of our eyes, but it didn't work, oh well. Could have made for some great TV, thats the kind of stuff MB lives for...
As for Vee winning, I'm with Muse, well, she won. I'm a Kathy fan, and honestly, if you can't win the $$, the best revenge is looking good, and Girl, you looked GOOD!! Way to go!

Fruitbat

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 06:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>I think Vecepia gives herself more credit in
strategizing than she deserved.<<<

I agree. Just saw her on the morning show and she elaborated even more.

Her constant references to God continue. That is off putting to me and clearly to the other Survivors and her interviewers too. They ignore it and sit will faces still.

I would be inclined to say Jesus had nothing to do with this. The 4 that voted for you did.

I don't think it is any mystery that Kathy was the 3rd vote for Neleh. She was still stinging when she voted and her question and answer turn certainly showed her disgust.

I like Rosie but she was too 'on' last night. If she had been as relaxed as she is on her show it would have been easier to watch. She will settle down for the next one. Better than Bryant though. Tom Bergeron would have been perfect. I have liked him for a long time. He did a local Boston show years ago.

It was fun seeing everyone spiffy. Neleh was the biggest surprize! What a little make up will do is astounding. Kathy looked fabulous!

Love Rob and Sean. Just love those boys. Shinning stars.

So after all that there is NO romance between Hunter and Gina.

Honey51

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 06:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought that Tammy was really awful. Did she really think that Neleh should have just been satisfied with 5th or 6th place. She was asking Pap and Neleh just to roll over and let her into the top. I don't that Neleh lied, nor was she deceptive.

Car54

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 06:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Tom Bergeron was GREAT today. He was pretty funny when he kept saying that Vecepia thought it was ok to lie as long as she confessed to God and asked forgiveness! He must have said that 2 or three times!

This morning, Tammy seemed a lot like Sue...she said what she felt at the time, she meant it, and she is not ashamed of it. I thought she was pretty harsh, but I chalked it up to her having worked herself into such a competitive mind-set for that game. No one seemed to be very upset about it...either the final 2 or the jury.

Chance

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I, too, thought Vees version of religion was most hypocritical. If you ask the Lord for forgiveness, you are supposed to be sorry and have intention to not do it again. Vees version seems to be..lie then say sorry Jesus and voila, you're back in business !!!!

Webkitty

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The final episode:

Pascal getting the purple rock.
I was just so happy that Kathy was still in the game it didn't bother me.
I was glad to hear that his collapse wasn't serious and he was able to recover enough to participate in the final vote.

Tammy's comment didn't bother me either. Drama at the final TC is what I look for. Nothing has come close to that great Sue Hawke diatribe. The final two will walk away with lots of money and opportunities and they all seem to get over it after, so let the sour grapes fly!

John, ditto.

Zoe was lame as expected.

Pascal was gracious as expected but I thought he was rather disingenous(sp) with his comment that he would be happy having either as a daughter when a few days before it would sicken him if Vee got to the final two. Whatever.

General, as expected

Sean was gracious

Kathy broke my heart the most. Not by what she said or her questions but by her body language.
She looked wiped out, wrung out, sad, and utterly defeated.
She gave it such a good try. She made two mistakes, getting rid of Sean, and paying any attention at all to Neleh about her shirt being askew. She ran around the whole time flopping in the breeze with just that dirty thin shirt on, what did it matter at that point? Oh well.

Vee and Neleh:

Neleh's answers to the jury and her general dialogue were rambling and silly.

Vee gave more mature answers, but both were surprized and thrown off by the realization that neither one of them were as liked as they thought they were.

I have to cut this short, something has come up, be back later if I think of anything else!

Bidasea

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WOW! Who would have thought Vee would win the game. Not me..But she did..I have a feeling that she should be thanking Vee and not Jesus for her victory. When everyone else got together to compare notes before the fallen Comrades game, Vee said she thought the state/city began with Letter "L", then told the camera she knew exactly where the person was born..She riled up Sean and let him be her mouthpiece, which he always fell for..It was Vee who started the talk around the fire, then sat quietly while Sean and others argued..Vee designed her own Victory..And, she won the game..Neleh should have said "give" me the votes at that last TC, because it wasn't fair to have Pappy reach into that bag.Jeff told them that if they didn't switch votes, all would play the rock game.Not fair. I would have liked to hear more about Gina/Hunter/Robert. Well Vee did the job. Outwit, Outplay, Outlast...Kathy, I wished you wouldn't have looked down..Let them hang out next time..On to Survivor 5. Monsoons, and Monkeys, and Snakes, Oh My

Crazydog

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Kathy voted for Neleh. When they were revealing the votes, I recognized the handwriting of the ones which were shown to us, and when I saw the one previously unrevealed "Neleh" vote, I remembered the handwriting being Kathy's (from previous episodes). Hmmmm, I thought it was pretty clear Neleh would have taken Vee to the finals even if Vee had not cut the deal. Then Vee would have clearly had Kathy's vote.

Why did Vee alienate Kathy by breaking off their deal? I think it's because Vee knew she had a better chance against Neleh than against Kathy, and by appearing to give in to Neleh, it excused her from bringing Kathy to the end. Vee wanted to be up against Neleh. The only way she could do that was to either 1) break off the deal with Kathy, give in to Neleh and be brought along, or 2) win immunity and then look even worse by ditching Kathy. BEtween the two choices I think #1 would be perceived as less offensive. She made the right move if she wanted to win. She played the game, and Kathy, to the end. I know most everyone here dislikes her, but I think she deserves her victory.

Mindyrama

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder how Neleh feels knowing now that God loves Vee more?? Hmmm....

Well, I thought TAR was a disappointing ending...sheesh! At least I could feel gratification that T&W lost....this whole season has really been a downer as far as finales go (for me). On the next Survivor (or BB or TAR) if I hear one bible thumper mention God helping them win, I will turn the channel and be done with it. There is no way I could suffer through another season like that.

Big yuck.

Shakes

Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The bottom line in this game is 'who played the best game'?

I don't think Vee played at all...well...maybe from the last TC on - but only under the strength of immunity and certainly without the morals and integrity she talked about ad nauseum. I know that comment is going to make me the most unpopular kid on the block, but c'mon people, if you are going to ride coat tails, flip alliances and steamroll a team mate who you DEFINIATELY HAD A DEAL WITH to get to F2 you have to be a little less vocal about morals, ethics and integrity. I truly believe you need to do every not-so-honest- or-ethical thing Vee did to win this game - but be straight up about it. (I can't even touch her comments about God and forgiveness except to say they were utterly self-serving and ignorant.)

Neleh, on the other hand and in my opionion, played "Survivor" like it should be played. She stepped up and completely changed the course of the game when she manuevered the John boot. Risky but necessary - and no other survivor before her had the brass ones to do anything more than talk about it when faced with that kind of strategic decision. That move alone earned her the win. She indeed was smug and annoying as all heck and I doubt she'll ever look at a mint the same again - but given our winner options - she played better.

Kathy was my top pick - in overall determination, strength and strategy - she's one of the best players yet. But one mistake will take you out of this game and her mistake was not forging the new deal with the General and breaking up N/P when she had the chance. Whether she took out Neleh or Sean next didn't matter - she was doomed without two IC's. But enough Monday morning quarterbacking.

So - if we're going to give a million dollars to the 'best player' - it should have gone to Neleh.