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Car54

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From Scott, at the SS Spoiler board, the same source of all the other episode titles:

Episode 12 Title: A Tale of Two Cities
The episode 12 title is "A Tale of Two Cities". Same source as
always.

Here's a list of all titles so far:

Episode 12: (Thu, May 16) A Tale of Two Cities
Episode 11: (Thu, May 9) Marquesan Vacation
Episode 10: (Thu, May 2) The Princess
Episode 9: (Thu, April 25) Two Peas in a Pod
Recap: (Wed, April 24) Look Closer
Episode 8: (Thu, April 18) Jury's Out
Episode 7: (Thu, April 11) True Lies
Episode 6: (Thu, April 4) The Underdogs
Episode 5: The End of Innocense
Episode 4: The Winds Twist
Episode 3: No Pain, No Gain
Episode 2: Nacho Mamma
Episode 1: Back to the Beach


"It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I
have ever done; it is a far, far better rest
that I go to than I have ever known."
- Charles Dickens

I've noticed that my source of titles shows the titles in
clusters. It's as if these titles were created in batches.
I don't know if there's any significance to this clustering
- perhaps it is related to the production cycle.

Episode 1 is not clustered.

I haven't kept a record of episode 2, but as I recall, it was
also by itself (not clustered with 1 or 3).

Episodes 3 to 7 are in the same cluster.
Episode 8 is not clustered.
The recap, and 9 are in a cluster.
Episodes 10, 11, and 12 are not clustered.


Edited by: Scott at: 4/30/02 8:21:23 am

Kitty

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times".... didn't the book start with a sentence something like that?

Seamonkey

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It did.

Muse

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 09:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a guess here, but I think the title refers to the final five being Sean, Vee, Paschal, Neleh, and Kathy. There's two sub-alliances: Sean and Vee, and Paschal and Neleh. Kathy would have to decide which side she wants to go with. If she just goes with what she thinks is "right", I'd say it'd be P/N. After all, they voted to keep her over Gina, and she's known them since the beginning. Plus she's more likely to win immunity against those two, isn't she? But if she votes based on strategy (who she wants to go up against in the final two), or has some hang-ups with P/N (how they almost let Kathy get voted out by taking so long to turn on John, for example, or how Neleh emphasized how difficult it was to decide whether to vote for Gina or Kathy), she could easily go to Sean and Vee's side.

In any case, I think the side Kathy doesn't go with will win immunity, and will give it to the other person in their sub-alliance. Sean would give it to Vee, Paschal would give it to Neleh, etc. Fits with the whole "Tale of Two Cities" story.

Anyway...all just a guess. :)

Seamonkey

Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 11:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But no one wants to be final two with N or P.. they'd win

Car54

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 02:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, English majors get to work... What is the plot of Tale of 2 Cities.... 2 men love the same woman, one sacrifices himself in place of the other so his love can have the better man...??? Hmmmmmmm lots of spec out there....discuss.

Micknrc

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 05:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
this shamefaced English major has to admit to never having read it...
(but I read the Pickwick Papers, so I don't feel too bad...!)

I was wondering if it could be actual cities...NYC (S & R) vs. ....? Atlanta? Salt Lake? Where's Vee from? Burlington, Vt? Okay maybe not....I guess the "It was the best of times it was the worst of times" reference is more likely. That and as my 14 year old son who is reading it right now for school says of the novel... "It wouldn't be so bad if he (dickens) didn't spend 300 pgs. moaning about how bad the revolution (French) is..." LOL

You think maybe there's a revolution?

Car54

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 05:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep thinking the whole thing about giving away immunity will finally come into play. I think it would not be in the show if someone does not eventurally make use of it.

In the novel, the wastrel lawyer, Sidney Carton, goes to the guillotine in place of the other guy (forget his name), who is the true love of Lucie.... thus the "Tis a far, far better thing I do... quote." The end of Tale of 2 Cities is about self sacrifice so the one you love can be happy.

either that or there is a revolution where the people of Salt Lake City over run New York, like Mick said.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 05:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I can see this thread grow to archive 10 times before this episode airs and shows the RC to be a little trip to 2 neighboring towns on the island!

Car54

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 05:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ok never mind

Fruitbat

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL!

Webkitty

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 07:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Car and Mick have something there, FB. They are in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the ocean, two little towns?........

I know Kelly W from S1 was taken to a "little town" if you could call it that, for pizza and beer? but it was a rather sorry little reward challange, if my memory serves me.

Has anyone been over to the MESS at SS?

They throw out wild speculations on each show, interesting reading.

They are currently talking about a story line involving NELEH, which is HELEN spelled backwards.

~Helen of Troy~

Tammy is a crime reporter, and I read she had a book deal going into this, could have something to do with that.

Just keeping the speculation going, fun, fun, fun!

Kaili

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Vee is from Portland, OR Micknrc.
My first thought seeing the episode title is that it is the reward where they go to a village and the second village is the tribe camp, but I could also see it being a book reference- if it is I think it makes it one of the best titles so far to make you think!

Joan

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I never had to read it either. I think most people read it in high school?

Willi

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 05:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Pappy gives Neleh immunity.
OR
Sean gives Vee immunity.
OR
(I will run out & re-read this classic post-haste.)
:)

Willi

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 05:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Or...A revolution...I'm liking the sound of that.

Weinermr

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Willi - I like your first idea.

Pappy sacrifices something for Neleh.
Or Sean sacrifices something for Vee.

Maybe Pappy does the thing Rodger did for Elizabeth - says vote me out first.

hmmm.....

Pamy

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that is it Weinermr...my "pics first in the opening" theory has Neleh, Kathy, Tammy, and Sean in the finals....so we shall see!!

Twiggyish

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guillotine!! We read it in school and I only remember that and Madame Defarge!!

So, who's getting their head chopped..LOL

Urgrace

Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The idea of someone sacrificing their own position and being voted off to save someone else going further in the game is a reasonable one. It's happened before.

Awareinva

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 06:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
In the novel the "nice" guy ends up in prison during the revolution because of his family connections- he didn't do anything personally wrong. Then you have the guy who is kind of a cad, but loves the wife of the nice guy. It is the "bad" guy who sacrifices himself so the noble guy can live and return to his family. It is like his redemtion, and as I recall, he switches himself for the guy in prison without giving the nice guy any say in the matter.

So I think this is the right track.... who is the one who will sacrifice him/her self with the "tis a far far better thing I do than I have done before, a far far better rest I go to..." etc.?

Someone wins immunity and gives it up to save another....costing themselves their tribal life. Sean for Vee is the best scenario that fits the book, but I can't see him doing that. It would make great tv. Pappy for Neleh is almost too obvious, but probably the way it will go....only what challenge can Pappy win? Kathy would never sacrifice herself, or Tammy if she is still around.

Robert for Tammy is a possibility but that would mean some real surprises tonight. I have been reading speculation that Tammy bonds with Vee during reward, and she, Robert, Kathy and Vee oust Pappy tonight. In that scenario, we could have Pappy out tonight, Neleh next week and the five left during this episode are: S,V, R, T, K. After tonight it will be more definite as to which five we are talking about for the "tale".

Twiggyish

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 06:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I've heard the same thing Aware, which is why unfortunately I'm going with Pappy leaving.

Fruitbat

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have read that too. My reason for thinking it cannot be true is there is no hype from MB. He would surely jump on this in a heartbeat.

I can see the headlines now: "Unbelievable change in the winds! You thought last week was unpredictable just wait! This is the most incredible yet!!! and on.....and on.......

Why name this episode The Princess instead of some thing to mark Seans Pap going? Some literary reference to killing ones father or More Lies or anything but Princess.

Weinermr

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well wait a minute. Last week was Two Peas in a Pod. Did we ever agree who the Two Peas were? Were they Tammy and Zoe? If so, back to the Princess and the Pea idea this week - so Tammy will follow Zoe off the show and get voted off this week.

Can anyone clarify?

Fruitbat

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the peas were Sean and Pap and the pod was the copter.

Someone mentioned on SS that the Tale of Two Cities could be the story/tale that Jeff tells for the memory challenge.