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Amac

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone think that Maraamu, in its recofigured form, can possibly win a challenge against Rotu? In my view the weakest Rotuans switched sides and the new tribe as it now stands is even weaker than the original. Neleh and Paschal bring an improved attitude with them, but that's it. Remember that they were the Rotuans the others would choose to sit out the challenges.

I predict we're in for a Survivor first. For the first time on any of the four programs, the two tribes will merge into one with one of them--Maraamu--never having won a single challenge, reward or immunity.

Sabbatia

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that since Rotu has all of the strongest members, they don't NEED sean or rob, and they will do whatever it takes to get rid of them the first chance possible.

Moondance

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you are right Amac... then again if Rotu thinks hard, they should throw the next couple of challenges ... if that could be believable LOL so they can pick off some old Marshmallows!

Gina8642

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I certainly think Maraamu can win a challange, even without a deliberate loss on Rotu's part. I think many of these challanges come down to almost luck.

I was dissappointed how poorly Maraamu did at the puzzle. It wasn't that hard to figure out a systematic way to solve it. Kathy didn't have it right, and no one challanged her. I wouldn't have minded them losing, but they really hadn't even started the puzzle yet - it was sad.

They will need better teamwork then that to win. Whoever shouts the loudest should not always win the right to lead.

BTW - Gina seems susceptable to Kathy's charms. She needs to watch out not to align herself with the one person who gets on everyone else's nerves. 'Course - I love bushwacking my way through the jungle too - I would have been all for that hike. lol

Gina8642

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think you are all correct in saying Rotu should throw a few challanges. Getting rid of Sean and Rob as a team can reinforce their team unity.
-Work as a team to get rid of threats.
-Work as team to prevent other three (Neleh, Pascal, Kathy) team members from possibility of being voted out.

What I'm not sure of is if some of these overacheivers like Gabe, Zoe and Tammy know how to lose. Some folks just don't like to lose, even if they are winning by losing. (They need to watch a little BB2, and watch the master Will write the book on "How to Win through Losing". LOL)

Car54

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep, Tammy said it... they are gonna get rid of the "boys". They just need a little time to figure it out.
Paschel and Neleh are total followers (I am surprised at him...thought he would be a stronger personality...he is totally UTR-I am getting ready to start calling him Papa Kim)

This challenge was hard. It reminded me of the Swahili challenge in Africa. Gabe and Zoe clearly saw how to work the puzzle.. I think you have to have a certain kind of mind to do puzzles and clearly no one on Maraamu has it. Kathy tried, but she is too impatient, and no one else was really trying.

Llkoolaid

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Rotu will throw at least the next challenge to get rid of Sean and probably the next one to get rid of Rob.
Does anyone remember what the merge number was last time. I think it was 10 , so there are 12 left now and with Sean and Rob gone,( both who might be seen as possible threats and individual immunities)this would work out just right. I think they will probably try to save Paschal and Neleh but not so sure about Kathy.
Vee should run as far away from any alliance with Sean as she can
I think Gina is aware of how Kathy may not be everyones favorite.

Knightpatti

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It does take a certain mind to work puzzles. Usually people (like us) who love computers are good at puzzles, too I can not believe how they all just stood there and practically did nothing. Kathy has a big mouth, but from what I could see no one had a clue what to do. I would have been very frustrated if I was her. And that seems to big the worse out of her.

Do you think Rotu can lighten up enough to lose? They are one competitive bunch. I can not wait to see how long one stands on a log or holds up their arm when they go for the individual challenges. I hope that they need to realize they have to lose to get rid of Sean and Rob.

Yuhuru

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The new Maraamu was pretty quiet and still, but Kathy didn't seem to take any of their suggestions early on. I also think she confused them with the "look for the eye" thing.

Sabbatia

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rotu doesn't have to do anything to lose a challenge except sit out Gabe, John and Zoe. Let Sean and Rob compete and they can lose without TRYING to lose. Rotu wins because they work as a team. Let the ones that aren't team players compete and they can lose easily.

Moondance

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are so right Sabbatia!

Nanya

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Good Grief!!! How unfair can life be? Sean & Rob move to a winning team and win immunity without lifting a finger! I think Sean is insane. Rob is even more unbearable because he seems to really think that he is bright. His take on his new team members was an even clearer indication of what an idiot he really is. Its too bad they can't vote two for the price of one and get rid of both of them at the same time.
Sarah must really have some mother issues...She resented Kathy for trying to "mother" her. that was also her reason to get rid of Patricia.
I still think that Gina should be more assertive. She's not nearly as abrasive as Kathy. She could probably get neleh & pappy to follow her lead.
Rotu will probably lose the next too challenges or die trying. I couldn't stop laughing at the look on Gabe's face after during and after Sean's speech. He looked like he had been given vital complicated instructions in a foreign language and while he need it was important, he had no idea what they were.

Llkoolaid

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the move is such a bad thing, it may look that way but I think that the right people are now going to make it to the merge. Sarah is gone and Rob and Sean will follow, and they are the people who most deserve to be booted. Too bad this didn't happen last week so Hunter would have a chance to stay longer than the alpha bits.

Knightpatti

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The twist was a great thing for Gina. She said it was her best day after the switch. If they lose next week, I can see a tie. Gina and Kathy vote for someone and Neleh and Pascal vote for someone. It will be the first tie this season.

Hippyt

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I LOVED this episode!!! Gina gets a stay. Vee can (and does) distance herself from the knuckleheads,and Sarah goes home!
Rotu is going to HAVE to realize they have to throw some challenges to keep their 'family' together.They have control of both teams,now all they have to do is Do it. What worries me is Rotu is soooooo competitive it may actually be hard for them to hold back enough!!!!!

Llkoolaid

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
WooHoo double pagonging. They got Sarah now it is time for the boneheads.

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought the only chance the new Mar. tribe had was with the mental challenges (as opposed to the physical ones.) But obviously that's not their forte either. Can't you just see MB and crew scratching their heads going, "Ok, now what do we do?" since that challenge must certainly have been chosen as a way to balance Rotu's physical advantage. ..... Unless they come up with a challenge on "shrimp catching" or "who can get the most lost in the woods," I'm afraid the sweet folks of the new Mar. tribe are in big trouble.

C1mag

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 11:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Like the wicked witch said, "All in good time" thats what I say in the thought of getting rid of Rob and Sean. Come on lets not get rid of our villians too quick. If that happens then who do we have to rag on!?! :)

I am with everyone in the belief that the core of old R just doesn't know how to lose and it's going to take some humiliaty to hand over a victory to Mar. I do see the new Mar taking at least one victory. I think someone quoted an up coming episode with the words, "UNDERDOGS" as it's theme. If this is true then I believe it will be that episode that we will see a victory for Mar.

Sideliner

Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 11:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cliotheleo you are so right, they don't stand a chance in the challanges, since there are 8 members in rotu maybe they will split them into a new tribe? say Rob,Sean, and two others then Mar. could take it to them.

Car54

Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 02:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This could be pretty funny... oldRotu trying to lose, but Rob and Sean have to play, and they know they HAVE to win or they will be booted,
and Maraamu too bad to win even when the opposing team is trying to hand it to them. This could be very amusing!

Fruitbat

Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 05:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I would LOVE to see Rotu put Sean and Rob in the next IC. Will they be able to? That is the question.

Mar: I do not think they have a chance at winning a challenge. Kathy, Pappy and Neleh have been carried by the others in this arena. Gina showed no leadership or ability with that puzzle.

If Mar were smart they would vote Gina out next no matter how they feel about Kathy. Their old team members would see that it was necessary to throw a challenge to keep them all in the game.

Kitty

Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
or maybe Neleh and Pappy with join with Gina and vote off Kathy. Neither N nor P seem to have much love for Kathy and so it wouldn't surprise me. Isn't the title of the next episode something about lost innocence?

Kep421

Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't there a rule that says whoever sits out one challenge cannot sit out the next? I know the rule applied in a previous Survivor (Maybe the last one?), but I'm just not sure about this one. However, if the rule does still apply then Rob and Sean will have to be in the next immunity challenge.

Nana...I agree...I was surprised that Gina wasn't a little more assertive last night, but then I thought she might still be a little gun shy. Gina might like her new tribe mates, but I don't think she really knows them enough to feel comfortable in taking an assertive role with them just yet. After all she saw what happened to her best friend on the island when he took a leadership role and started challenging people...putting yourself out there can get you put out of the game.

Llkoolaid..."alpha bits"...LOL!!!!

Julieboo

Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
4 QUESTIONS:

1. Who decided that Sean and Rob would sit out the IC? (i'm betting they volunteered. BIG surprise!)

2. Do you think ROTU knows to throw the challenges so they can rid themselves of S&R?

3. Do you think ROTU knows Gina is a "good guy"?

4. Car, what does UTR mean? (in reference to Paschal)

Julieboo

Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 09:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And Kep, I hope they can't sit out next challenge too!