Whit4you | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 10:06 am     Well you know Pappy has the distinction of being the only survivor out of 54 Survivors to have played this game to have never gotten a single vote, sets him apart doesnt it? And should make him the true ultimate survivor. They spend 37 days out there going through all they went through and had 2 minutes to make a decision that'd effect all of their futures - total bullshit if you ask me. I've read that these tribal councils last for a few hours with Jeff asking his stupid leading questions etc - and yet they only had 2 minutes to make a decision like this? They should have had this TC a day earlier - given them 24 hours to come up with a unanimous decision. Would hae made for some very interesting footage. At the very least they should have given them 5 or 10 minutes. Two minutes was a joke. At any rate - like I said Pappy is the only survivor to date to never have recieved a single vote - all the others including all 4 winners recieved votes. |
Tksoard | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 10:37 am     Not only did he not reaceive any votes, but he's the only survivor to be voted off without any votes.. Now, that's hard to do!!  |
Yuhuru | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 10:55 am     We actually don't know how much time they had to decide. We just know how much time they showed us. I didn't necessarily think the rock method was fair, but Pappy could have voted to oust Neleh, and he didn't. He had some control in is fate. |
Julieboo | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 11:03 am     Jeff said "two minutes" so I am sure that's what they had. What we don't know is what they meant by unanimous. I would think that would be all 4. But would anyone sacrifice themself? Seems like no way... But unanimous does mean unanimous--all! |
Lancecrossfire | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 11:03 am     Well, we do know by what Jeff said they had only 2 minutes at the most (I don't think they showed the full 2 minutes). Even if Pappy had changed his vote to Neleh, she would have to agree as well--the other requirement was that any choice had to be unanimous. (I define that as everyone) |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 11:04 am     From Paschal's comments, I think the prize for him was reclaiming a daily and attentive relationship with his wife and I think he'd say that was worth way more than a million. In order to stay in, he'd have had to switch his vote to Neleh.. very unlikely.. or convince Neleh or Kathy to take the hit.. again, very unlikely. Both Kathy and Vee would have HATED to go into F2 with Pappy.. So.. no one was motivated to do other than they did. |
Grooch | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 11:14 am     Julie, Jeff also says they walk to tribalcouncil and now we found out that they are driven there. So, we will never really know the truth. I am sure when they heard about the rule, they probably talked about it for at least 5 minutes. |
Julieboo | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 11:51 am     I'm not sure (especially of late) Jeff has said they specifically walk to TC. He usually says he'll see them at TC. I believe they only had 2 minutes, though no one except those who were there knows for sure. |
Yuhuru | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 11:59 am     Let's say Pappy didn't get the purple rock...I don't think that he could have made the walk the next day, but let's say he did...I don't think he would have lasted 2 minutes in the final challenge, but let's say he did and he took Neleh to the finals. He still would have lost because he would've pleaded to the jury that Neleh needs the money because she's a remarkable little girl, blah, blah, blah OR Let's say Vee takes him to the final. He still loses for the same reasons Neleh did (3 bitter Rotu plus Sean vote for Vee) |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 12:26 pm     But what MIGHT have happened after the rocks isn't the point.. it is a cheezy way to break a tie.. And I think the "bitter Rotu" may have reacted differently to Pappy, or his answer to John could have switched just one vote, so there are no foregone conclusions. |
Yuhuru | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 12:38 pm     What is the point again? The game's over right? |
Julieboo | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 12:42 pm     I think if N didn't blatently slingshot down (the alliance of) T/Z/J/R she would have won against V. She and the others could have quietly gone and voted any of that alliance off and they would not have gotten bitter. They saw her & Pappy shoot them down. |
Yuhuru | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:13 pm     I think you're right Julieboo |
Grooch | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:23 pm     And Vee said it was Sean that manuevered that (see the EW article I posted today) and Neleh got the credit for it. Very sneaky. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 08:33 pm     But what we saw and what Neleh thinks are different than what Vee says Sean did.. I think there's a lot of rewriting going on after the fact. |
Azriel | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 09:52 pm     This is what I think was the most unfair...that Vee was allowed to make the pact with Kathy and THEN TELL Kathy who she was going to vote for! That was UNFAIR. It seemed that Kathy actually thought that Vee was going to vote for Pappy because she thought he was the logical person as he had been stronger in ICs than Neleh. Any pacts and the resulting decisions of who to vote out should have been made and discussed BEFORE they came to tribal council. |
Joan | Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 10:39 pm     I totally agree Azriel! |
Yuhuru | Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 09:35 am     Azriel, Don't forget that they didn't know who was going to win immunity. There wasn't anytime to discuss because the challenge was held at TC. No way was Kathy going to be catch strategizing with Vee at camp after she voted Sean off. She was hanging tight with pap and neleh |
Julieboo | Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 09:43 am     I'm confused. Azriel, can you explain more about the unfair thing? (I'm slow today) Also-may be this is a little off subject, but anyone think John's (and T/R/Z) biggest mistake was voting off Gabe? They shoulda voted off the Maraamus... |
Yuhuru | Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 10:03 am     You're right Julieboo. I think John had temporary insanity caused by a puffed up head. |
Julieboo | Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 10:16 am     Good one Yu! |
Azriel | Friday, May 24, 2002 - 05:12 am     I know that they didn't know before tribal council who would win immunity. I still think it was unfair. Kathy and Vee hadn't discussed their strategy and what-ifs before then. They didn't want to risk it? Then, it should have been their tough luck. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, May 24, 2002 - 08:23 am     I don't think it was unfair at all. I think it was a smart move by Kathy to keep herself in the game and I also think it was a smart move by Vee when she made the deal with Neleh. I am amazed at how many people feel Vee did a dirty trick on Kathy. They were in this to win the million. No one was going to win against Kathy. Vee didn't owe Kathy anything. Kathy sucessfully broke up the two alliances but I don't think she had a chance of going past 3rd unless she won the immunity. She was just too big a threat in the final vote. It is over and I still wish Kathy had won but I am going to let it rest and start thinking the mole and big brother. |