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Car54

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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The Tribes Merge into One on "SURVIVOR: MARQUESAS" (4/11/02)
Mon, Apr 8, 2002 05:16 PM PDT


"True Lies" -- Tensions rise among the castaways after the tribes merge into one, on SURVIVOR: MARQUESAS, Thursday, April 11 (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

As Rob attempts to work an angle that will keep him in the game, his simmering disapprobation towards John explodes into a hostile confrontation.

Meanwhile, Kathy becomes increasingly paranoid that her old Rotu members have targeted her as the next to go, although Zoe vehemently denies the claim when confronted.

And a seventh member is voted out of the tribe.

Gina8642

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's new.

Thanks Car

Hmmm.....

Gina8642

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A true lie could be:

Zoe swears that Kathy will not be voted out - even though she has every intention of voting out Kathy.

However, some circumstance saves Kathy's butt.

She is not voted out, even though Zoe was lying

Ergo - a true lie

Gina8642

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let me think of another one.

hmmm....

Rob could promise to allign with Kathy, but actually intends to stay true to John's Rotu pact for now.

However, some circumstance happens, and he ends up alligning with Kathy somehow.

Another True Lie

Gina8642

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One more....

Mark Burnett tells them they cannot live at Maraamu beach because it is sacred to the Marquesans - instead of being the fruit orchard it appears to be. But later it turns out, there is a burial ground in the land crap colony.

True Lie # 3

Moondance

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Go Gina Go

You are on a roll!

Gina8642

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Disapprobation -

Main Entry: dis·ap·pro·ba·tion
Pronunciation: (")di-"sa-pr&-'bA-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 1647
: the act or state of disapproving : the state of being disapproved : CONDEMNATION

Merrium Webster's online dictionary

(Was a new one to me - Gina)

Gina8642

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gonna check SS's board - I'm sure they have way more than me.....

Tksoard

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Boy, am I confused now!!

Hippyt

Monday, April 08, 2002 - 06:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's one I was thinking. Zoe told Rob she is not in the alliance with John.And,she isn't,she is still aligned with Paschal, Neleh,and maybe others. But Kathy is so paranoid,when Zoe tells her she has no intention of voting against her Kathy believes Zoe is lying.of course,Kathy thinks everyone is lying.

Another True Lie

Fruitbat

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 05:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"True Lies" makes a better title than "Lies". I am not convinced that trying to figure which lies could actually be true, in some way, is going to help.

My thinking thus far:

Kathy, John or Rob are the logical choices to go.

Unlikely alliance is probably Rob and Kathy. That does not necessarily mean it will last or even work beyond the moment.

I am going to assume everyone lies as they jocky into position after the merge.

Gina, Patricia and Hunter all saying they like Rob does not mean he is going because they were on a team together and I am sure they had some fun times we did not see.

So I am down to Kathy or John going.

Ignoring the spoilers for a moment and using some logic........There has to be some sort of connection when old Rotu is united. They were a strong team, when together.

Old Mar is only 3 strong. We are seeing editing, leading us to believe the new Rotu to be solid together and ready to vote the newcomers out. I don't buy it. They are divided along old tribal lines and always have been.

There will be a scurry to snag Neleh, Kathy and Paschall.

Kathy goes with Rob, the other 2 with Zoe leaving a 6/4 split. All lie about this.

John is irritating everyone and a consensus can easily be secured. Kathy is no threat right now. Bothersome maybe, but she has been gone awhile and not on the top of the hit list.

I am leaning toward John but could change this if any new info comes out today that points more strongly toward Kathy.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 05:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oxymoron.. true lies? Are they truly lies?

C1mag

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
True lies=

Rob to Kathy: They've fromed their own 4 man alliance and your head is first on the chopping block. Confront John to his face about it. ( John did tell Rob that P,K, and N were going before him, so truth, BUT!! John lied because he wants Rob gone first REAl Bad)

Rob to Kathy: don't worry, vote my way and I'll keep you and the others in the game. John boy booted your brother Gabe over me of all people. Do you honestly think he is going to keep you around? ( Truth! John screwed Gabe over! But!! Megga LIE! Rob will only keep Kathy around until the other four are GONE!!)

If this happens I love Robs strategy to gain favor with the returning old Ro's. Especially with Kathy. This is how you play this game when your targeted by a voting majority! Kathy is the headcase of this game and there is no one better to mess with in order to keep you in the game.

Minus his private verbal attacks on camera just for us viewers, I pretty much would play Rob's game. For as much of an immature pig as he sounds like, I still think when he is knocking someone with just words in private, what he is doing is trying to make himself feel better than the one's who are in control. It's a mental game for himself.

A side note on Rob's strategy to out the "liars" This has got to be the greatest strategy in the world if someone falls for it. The chaos it causes can be huge. However, in this game if you are asked if you have an alliance with someone it's best to smile and say, " Don't worry about my game, worry about your's. After all, this is Survivor"

Well these are my theory's on some of the True Lies. I'm lovin the drama.

Gina8642

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like your line C1mag. I'm going to practice it over and over for when I get on Survivor. I'm just way too honest. Better to avoid being honest or lying - keep your cards to yourself.

Hippyt

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 08:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
While your line is good C1mag,it's basically the same thing as saying yes.

C1mag

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 01:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
but you wouldn't be able to accuse me of lying :)

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 04:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That looks right C1mag. Who are you voting to go? I am still with John gone and your logic supports that.

C1mag

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 05:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
this week is a hard call for me but I'm going for John also. I think it's more of wishful thinking for me because I don't care for Johns game plan. He's a bit freaky. I do fear that we could see Robfatha leave this week as well. It sort of depends on Neleh and Paschal. Hopefully Paschal will not fall for Johns game.

Has anyone noticed that when John is performing in the challenges that he sort of freaks out? He really just doesn't get this game.

Moondance

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just got another CBS eyemail

"Don't miss a mysterious night of SURVIVOR filled with lies, secret quests and hostile confrontations!"

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have now changed to Kathy, C1mag. I see a 6/4 split in the vote between the 2.

I will keep an eye peeled for the freaky stuff. Thanks for the heads up.

C1mag

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bat : So then are you thinking that John recieves Immunity? Why would Rob not jump at the chance to get rid of this guy if he doesn't have immunity? Good God is this the unlikely alliance? Now that would be too good :)

Example of Johns freaky behavior: Remember when they had the blindfold challenge? John imediately kept yelling out Gabes name to give him directions. He was so repeatitive that Gabe couldn't get in a word edge wise. Remember the canoe mishap with Robert? The second he and John jumped into the Canoe, John imediately started telling Robert how to row. He didn't tell him just once he told him over and over and over. Then when he got to the shore he just grabed the flag and bolted. He's very high strung!

I suspect he probably is a bigger headcase than Kathy.

Give me some stuff on a possible Kathy boot I'd be interested in hearing it. You know, the bad news she could be recieving could be as simple as getting the news that she is booted.....

Moondance

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
SS Kathy Spoiler

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hope Acme agrees with me :)

C1mag

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't you find it odd that Acme posts their pick so close to the show? How would two or even three days before the show make a difference?


Car54

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 04:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag, the theory is that they have access to a partial tape of the show, and I think they don't get it til Wednesday or maybe Thursday.

There has been a lot less traditional press about the show this season. I think this group, the Jeff Varner stuff are all planned leaks. This IS the marketing campaign. The whole point is to build things to a Thursday night crescendo.

Fruitbat

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 04:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag. I am back to voting for John. The new promo that points directly to Kathy is what made me change. I cannot remember now why I was considering her but I did have a logic, I swear. :)

I started off with John and got sidetracked there for a minute.

Moon, thanks for the link. I loved the last couple of posts in that very loooooong thread.

Awareinva

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 04:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am almost agreeing with you Fruitbat.... I hate it when the promos lead you to think it is a certain person going! It almost never is that person. Mark B. just loves those surprise endings.

BUT isn't it about time we got a "gimmie"? Last season we had Linda and then Lindsay that were booted as the promos featured- have we really had any of those this year so far? Peter was kind of leaked, but no one has really been an "easy" pick so far this year (except maybe Patricia- we all figured she wouldn't last TOO long). Maybe Kathy is the one that he's going to give us....but then again, I could be totally wrong.

This game is giving me a split personality- I keep arguing with myself!!!

C1mag

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 05:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone else hear that Jeff Varner is predicting Sean is going? I'm pretty sure I read this on SB. If it's a leak then we sure did miss this one. I'd like to read a break down of that possability. It suggests that Rob wins immunity and John does indeed have the upper hand in voting and if that is true then let the pagonging begin again, which will totally suck!

Fruitbat

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 05:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
C1mag and Aware.....It is true that there were a few obvious votes previously. I would not rule out a tie between John and Kathy either so MB could be doing a give away of sorts.

There are many spoilers about Sean staying longer. Why I am choosing to believe them and not others is beyond me.

I have been arguing with myself all morning. I am in full twitch.

Twiggyish

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 05:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh it's going to be so tempting to change my vote, if Acme predicts someone other than Kathy.
Very good info on Sean!!