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Archive through May 16, 2002
Car54 | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 06:46 pm     Actually Kathy said it...it is all in the immunity now. Whoever wins the next one is really in total control. I think Kathy is playing the odds...she really had a fairly equal chance with either team, but if you think about her decision making history, she takes the long term view... If you get rid of P&N because they make you mad or they annoy you or threaten you, that makes the next 3 days easier, but what damage do they do you on the Jury. She knows she has Seans vote.. and the old Rotus will respect that she stuck with the original tribe...the thing they didn't like about her in the beginning was that she was on her own...this gesture earns her points with her old tribe, and every time P&N open their mouth they cost themselves. Three more days Kathy...take the long view...just go fly your kite... |
Knightpatti | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 06:47 pm     Remember too, that N and P kept Kathy and voted out Gina. Kathy might be taking that in consideration. |
Car54 | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 06:54 pm     Excellent point Knightpatti...that is a very good thought. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 06:57 pm     Not only THAT but N and P figured out the Rotu 5 alliance, or Sean, Vee and Kathy would be gone and they'd be next.. Not that Kathy "owes" them, but they certainly have helped her several times. |
Grooch | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 06:59 pm     Squaredisc, I get Pappy's statements about Sean being from NY and them being from Georgia and Vermont, perfectly. I am originally from NY and I moved for 6 months to Florida and went to school there back in the 5th grade. I have never in my life encountered so much hostility and hate in my life because I was from NY state. A lot of people have a perception of NY City and if you say you are from NY you are from the city. I am living in Florida again, and I still get this attitude from people who have moved here from all over the country. For some reason people hate New Yorkers and Pappy was playing the NY card. I am so upset that kathy voted Sean off. He was her best ally. She just better win, because none of the others deserve it. I can't believe the crap I heard tonight from the others. They are hypercrits (Kathy not included) At least Sean was honest. |
Car54 | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:07 pm     Yeah, what Grooch said. |
Knightpatti | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:16 pm     Grooch I use to live in Florida too and you are right that attitude does exist there. When I was young I use to work at Disney World and people from New York City where very rude to us. I was a store clerk and many times I was treated rudely. Now, though I live in SC and I am still in sales and I love New Yorkers! They spend money when they visit and they are very nice. I can not tell you what the difference is from now and my earlier experience. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:23 pm     In Arizona, many people hate all the "snowbirds".. from all over Canada and, yes, Vermont and other cold areas.. but they also depend upon them economically. |
Muse | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:26 pm     I can definitely picture Kathy deciding to form an alliance with Vee now, and taking a 50/50 shot at making the final two. Yes, she'd upset Paschal and Neleh by doing it, and possibly lose their votes. But I think Vee has been wishy-washy enough to the point that Kathy could still win with votes from the Rotu alliance and Sean. Then again, I can also see her opting to stick with Paschal and Neleh instead, out of loyalty. It's really hard to tell at this point. Just a guess, but I think the jury wore black as a symbol of the end of their alliance. Pappy really disappointed me in this episode, btw. Although he wasn't outright racist (IMHO), there were certainly some things that he said that suggested some kind of stereotypical views. I agree with his main point (that Sean and Vee *did* have an alliance, official or not), but there was some stuff I sure didn't like hearing. But on the other hand - I wasn't that sad to see Sean go. He did stir up some of the ugliness himself, and he really just did himself in at the end. |
Car54 | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:34 pm     I don't think Kathy has to do anything different at this point until after the next IC. If by chance she doesnt win, Vee can't really do anything ahead of time to help her, and she has time enough to make that call after the challenge. The best she could hope for is a tie, and we don't know WHAT will happen yet if they tie. |
Lilliegirl | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:36 pm     I dont think Pappy was playing the NY card, I live next door to Georgia, I think he was talking about all of a sudden Sean and Vee are playing the race card and he did not like it, im glad Sean is gone and all his drama and Vee has not played the game at all she just follows who she thinks will get her to the top, i thought it was funny when Kathy said no body had come to her but Sean made an ass of hisself at the end and could not get out of it and saying him and Vee and Vee agreed to it, I didnt like Kathy but I do now she is not stupid, you dont live with someone for 35 days and dont know P/N are a team and S/V were to they just would not emitt it so Sean talked his self out tonight, the race card has never been brought up until tonight and Pappy did not like that, I think Kathy is a better player but she has worked hard to get there so i hope she wins even thou she stabbed Robert in the back last week. |
Webkitty | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:42 pm     Ok, when I was transcribing during the show I missed two things (do to the little PIP) on my screen. I just watched the tape I made on the big TV. First, (this is really no big deal) Pappy completely gave up on the RC. He knocked down his tiki! It was almost like he was in a trance or something. Then, at the TC, he DID provoke Sean. Sean was ready to shut up when Pappy called his disingenuous. Also, It was clear to me that Kathy was ready to go with Sean over N/P, until Sean took the bait from Pappy and ran with it. She truly looked disapointed when it came time to vote. |
Car54 | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:47 pm     Right on both points. I was transcribing for a west coaster, and I noticed both those things. I think he just sort of lost it, could not do the Tiki and just knocked it over. And he definitely pushed Sean's buttons. He knew exactly what to say to keep him going. I didn't necessarily read Kathy as disappointed but rather that she was casting her vote and to some degree deciding her own fate with the vote. |
Squaredsc | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:52 pm     thanks grooch for your thoughts, 'cause i didn't really get it. i know i was gone and now im back, just had to check in for a minute to see what yall had to say. quick thought, i think sean has been saying that him and vee aren't in a tight alliance 'cause she voted for rob, and i don't know if she voted differently from him another time or not, which is slightly, just slightly different from pappy/pea who have voted together from the beginning. imo. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:56 pm     Buttons are made to be pushed (I know that from experience, having had a few pushed in my time, and pushing a few, often to my complete surprise) TEN MINUTES and I can finally see this thing for myself.. They showed the car on a teaser on CBS earlier and it looked pretty nice. If Paschal is that wiped out, I wonder if he'll be next one off? Might even ask for it. Or, he really didn't want to win the car, knowing that it would be resented.. Or both. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 07:58 pm     Grooch, as you know I'm from your area of FL. I could tell you why people felt that way at first about people from the Northeast, but I don't want to write it all out. I'm sorry people generalized and applied that stereotype to you. Think about what we southerners get,too. Ok, back to Survivor. I think Kathy made a HUGE mistake. Pappy and Neleh will only vote her out first opportunity. I would have stuck with Sean or Vee. At least they were willing to work things out. Also, I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Pappy threw the RC challenge by tipping over his stack. I think he didn't want the car and it was a tiring long challenge. |
Lobster | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:03 pm     I haven't read all the posts yet cuz it's late, but I wanted to throw in my two cents before I sign off. I wished Kathy had gone with Sean and Vee. I voted for Sean, but hoped for Neleh. I was disappointed in Pappy at TC. I wanted to slap that grin off Neleh's face when Sean was leaving Tribal Council. Thank you and Good Night! I'll see y'all tomorrow!! (I really needed to get that off my chest before I go to bed) |
Dipo | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:06 pm     I finally get to see the show, but haveing read everything, it seems to me that it would make sense for Kathy to team up with Vee and vote off Pasqual. Although since we don't know what would happen with a tie, I don't know if this would work. The only way Kathy can survive a p/n threesome is to win immunity. I am not sure how the jury will vote, but I don't think they are very fond of p/n. |
Hippyt | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:39 pm     Is it just me,or does Kathy deserve to win this game more than any other Survivor winner? Richard maybe,after all he invented the alliance,and he told everyone from day one he was going to win. Tina? eh,good play onher part ,but we all know Colby was an idiot,he should have won. An idiot,but a man of his word. Ethan? Oh,please,don't even get me started on Ethan. The entire Africa series was so bad,they should have given everyone a mil for having to endure that sorry series. I include myself in that crowd! Kathy has consistently played this game strong,with no real alliances. She is strong in all the challenges. She is smart in her choices,she supplies food. Kathy should win this game. If she doesn't,I'm gonna be mighty,mighty mad!!!!!!! |
Webkitty | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:44 pm     What Hippy said. Especially about Africa! (BTW, I could not stand Tina) |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:46 pm     Wow.. two great challenges!! Sean rocked on the first.. last was closer by far and once again lost by dropping something.. Notice how cleverly Jeff manouvered around so Kathy wouldn't grab him this time.. by putting the necklace on her from the back? I don't think Paschal considered the car "beneath" him.. I think his brain is addled by exhaustin on and he clearly wasn't going to win.. |
Webkitty | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:51 pm     Seamonkey, glad your finally getting to "see" it! (I'm still up! ) Yes, Pappy almost seemed like he was transfixed or stupifyed or something during the RC. Like his brain just shut down. I missed that about Kathy and Jeff? Do you mean because he didn't want her to hug him? I wonder how ripe these people are by now! |
Awareinva | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:55 pm     I am thinking that Kathy would be better off at this point facing Pappy or Neleh vs. Vee at final 2. Who has Vee p*ssed off? No one that I can see. So she might get votes from the jury. But Pappy and Neleh will have John, Tammy, Zoe, and Robert against them because of the whole booting out their alliance thing. Sean definitely would vote Kathy over Pappy or Neleh, and probably Vee would pick Kathy over them too. Like Car said-- it's all about immunity at this point. BTW... been offline for a week due to modem blowing up and boy, have I missed everyone here and the discussion. Serious withdrawal pains!!!!  |
Hippyt | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:59 pm     Yeah,but when Sean won the car Jeff opened his arms big and wide to Sean First!! I was thinking Jeff must really like Sean cause he's stinky! |
Sia | Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 09:46 pm     Lots of things have been mentioned in this thread. Comments on a few of them: I think Paschal explained his rationale to Kathy quite clearly when he told her why he didn't want to see Sean or Vecepia win the $1 million. He said that Sean & V have just "coasted" the whole game, with Sean in particular just starting to pull his weight with chores toward the end of the game; Paschal is VERY up-front about his strong feelings regarding HONESTY/INTEGRITY (Paschal's words) in playing the game, and it just really grates on his nerves that Sean/Vee won't admit their unspoken alliance. Remember that Paschal is a courtroom judge, and as such had training as an attorney before that. He is trained and extremely practiced at sizing people up, at reading the truth from expressions, from discerning the truth even when people are doing their best to hide it. I felt there was an element of Paschal sensing something about Sean's basic honesty (or dishonesty) that just doesn't endear Sean to him. I believe that Paschal has heard enough of Sean's blustering about being "from the 'hood" and being there to "represent," and the myriad slang-terms he's been throwing around to remind everyone endlessly that he's from New York, blah-blah. I've heard enough from Sean on this topic, and I haven't been stuck on an island with him with little nasty No-Nos biting me, very little food, and chronic diarrhea for 34 days or so like Paschal has. Sean's fun and has a good sense of humor, but he truly showed at TC tonight that he's a very angry young man and that he lacks impulse control. He lost his temper and the jury was able to see that. They also witnessed the remaining four Survivors pretty much remain calm by contrast. By the way, I felt that Jeff Probst was responsible for Sean's losing his temper. Jeff has been worse this season about guiding/leading the thinking on Tribal Council nights; he stirred the pot and didn't even need a stick! What I don't know is if Jeff does this because he has a personal interest in turning Survivors against tribemembers that he doesn't like, or if MB tells Jeff which Survivor to single out and turn the group on like a pack of wolves. Either way, I think Jeff leads the Survivors to certain conclusions and heavily influences the TC voting--and I think that's wrong. He might be considered impartial if he asked his questions AFTER the voting is over. Re. Paschal "throwing" the RC: he doesn't need a flashy red SUV; I'm sure he and his wife both have nice cars. As someone said in an earlier post, Paschal probably also realizes that winning the car might cause other tribe-members to harbor resentment against him. Paschal was truly happy for his friend Sean and glad that Sean won the SUV. Paschal was |b{weak, tired and frustrated} at the tiki-building portion of the challenge and could, no doubt, hear Jeff announcing Sean's progress through the six stages of the challenge and decided that there was no way in Marquesas that he could catch up with Sean. Sean is physically strong and a real threat to the others when it comes to physically-demanding Immunity Challenges. They were smart to vote off Sean, in my opinion. Anyone wanting to win the money--and they all want it at this point, even Paschal--needs to put him/herself first and vote off anyone who is a physical or tactical threat. It's a game, but it is cutthroat. Paschal likes Sean as a person and they bonded when they won the reward challenge together a while back, but he doesn't respect the way Sean has played the game. Paschal has put in his time on Marquesas and has seen everything that's gone on there, unlike the armchair critics at TVCH, myself included. I figure that the Survivors are entitled to their opinions and they have good reasons for having voted their consciences. I can't fault Paschal for looking out for #1. "Outwit, Outlast, Outplay!" |
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