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Moondance

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey I didn't write it! LOL... I just posted the link for Donut!:)

Donut

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks moon! but now i still dont know what to do ! The end of the innocence, and gabes 'innocent' comment seem to indicate the end of him, but i gotta think that the spoilers have to be sent at least once to trip us up and they have been right so far. so i am still afraid to vote gabe, but i feel so lonesome voting gina!!

Moondance

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't worry Donut... the Gabe voters could be wrong... I am still not buying the idea of Rotu turning on one of their own and not voting off the Laz-e-Boys:)

Tksoard

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Moon, all I got was the error, and a rude message. I didn't know that there was anything else.

Jbean

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 04:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok peeps, any last minute spoilers i should know about? i have 4 minutes left to change votes and i will take advantage of them if necessary.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 07:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
HELP , I don't have a clue what will happen next week.

Seamonkey

Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
http://survivor-central.com/columns/vidcapsnew.php

Some episode 6 vidcaps that may be of interest..
body language.. Tammy turned away, no arm around Robert.. Zoe at end of line, Sean not really touching,etc.. Rob looking alpha/aloof

Gina looking behind Kathy at Paschal

Then John as "Jesus" at waterfall :)

John seeming to lobby with Rob Rob not seeming to buy whatever..\

A lovely sunset :)

Well, will be interesting to see what other think.

Moondance

Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just think when I see anyone sit around with Robhead and Sean that their days are numbered... Hunter sat with them doing the morning show... gone. Gabe rapped (tried to) with them ... gone. Now John is hanging out with them... doomed.

I still do not like Robhead and Sean but they seem to hold court every boot.

Maris

Friday, March 29, 2002 - 08:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree moondance, John is doomed.

Fruitbat

Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 05:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
At some point old Rotu must see that continuing to vote off their team members is not wise. They voted for Gabe because he was not playing the game, not because he emerged as a leader.

I am not sure John, having appointed himself the leader, will bother Tammy and Zoe. They have chosen a back seat and are probably comfortable there. Tammy certainly wanted Gabe out and John organized it.

I am not ruling out old Rotu sticking together on this next one and targeting Rob or Sean.

Old Mar will probably vote John.

What Robert will do is the question. He appears to be the possible swing vote. Hard to tell where his loyality lies at this point. He would be a fool not to side with old Rotu. The merge lies ahead and the old Rotu numbers will be very strong.

Mware

Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey guys, maybe it's a little late to answer a question that was never asked, but it was the same actor who was the boyfriend in Carrie and was the Greatest American Hero later on. His name was William Katt, and no, I'm not one of his relatives.

Also, numbers on Rotu seem to favor a men vs. women alliance if Rob and Sean wanted to play it that way. With Robert being possibly a little weaker in his ties to the others, they would only need to convince John that it's the way to go. It may not be from the Godfather, but it could have been, with the old saying "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." By including John in the alliance, Rob might think he can keep a little more control over John.

Pamy

Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Rob will consider John a threat and urge the others to think his way...every week he really does come across as the Godfather, laid back, quiet, letting others do his dirty work, I almost expect to see a horse head laying next to John on Thurs!!!

Gina8642

Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 05:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If Rotu knocks off Rob and/or Sean prior to merge.

Vee can ally with the current Maraamu 4.

A Maraamu can win it.....

Maris

Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thought you might enjoy this from the Santa Cruz Sentinel
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March 30, 2002


Lex Sez: Tossing innocence out of the Garden of Eden
Innocence was lost for Rotu in this week’s "Survivor" and The Game finally reared its ugly head in the commune o’ love.
Thanks to those age-old traits unique to humans — namely lust for power, greed and paranoia — the North Carolina, commune-bred love child Gabriel was ejected from the Garden of Eden. And with Gabe gone, it looks like we’ll be seeing a worldlier, more ruthless Rotu.

Goodbye innocence. Game is on.

Before we talk strategy and group dynamics, I have to say, I was floored by the vote this week. Shut up. Gabriel is gone.

I was shocked simply because it seemed like such an asinine move on the part of Rotu. He’d been such a team player, and seemed to lack the ruthlessness that would have made a strong player like him a threat.

After snuffing out Gabe’s torch, Jeff Probst expressed his bewilderment to the remaining Rotu, "You voted out a guy who’s strong, kept spirits up and worked hard. We’ll see how it plays out."

My wife Kelly was just plain distraught. She loved Gabriel. She mentioned something about wearing only black for the next week.

Let’s rewind to the first scene in this week’s installment of "Survivor: Marquesas." Mark Burnett gave us a prophetic peek into what was to happen. If you pay attention, you’ll notice that each episode of "Survivor" often provides clues that foreshadow plot and outcome.

In this case, the episode opened with the camera panning to Rob and Sean, our two black-hearted Machiavellies, who were transplanted from Maraamu to Rotu after last week’s switcheroo. Cut to Gabriel, who, looking over at them, spit out, "They brought the game here with them."

When pressed by John, who wanted to know where Gabe stood and how he planned to play the game, Gabriel replied, "I’m not here to play the game. I’m here for what we had — the society of eight that we’d built."

Unfortunately, Gabriel proved how obsolete and out-of-his-depth he was. "Survivor" is all about the game.

On the flip side, you can argue that Gabriel simply recognized that Sean, Rob and Vee had spoiled the harmony in Rotu the same way a worm rots out an apple.

Whichever way you look at it, the love-fest at Rotu just couldn’t last.

I have to take a detour for a moment and ask: Has anyone else noticed that our Marquesas castaways are always eating? I knew there was going to be grub in abundance, but honestly it’s been ridiculous. As if the island’s cornucopia of fresh, tropical fruit weren’t enough, this week I watched in jealous horror as a cheerful Maraamu had a crab boil. I got outright angry when I saw them digging into a bowl of what must’ve been four or five pounds of fresh crabmeat. It’s just not fair.

Anyway, in a season first, Maraamu broke their seven-challenge losing streak and won both the reward and immunity challenges.

This week’s reward challenge required one player to verbally guide three other blindfolded players to collect disassembled pieces of tiki statues. The scene was hilarious, with the six blindfolded contestants shuffling around, arms outstretched, bumping into each other like zombies from an old horror movie.

I’d have to say the reward for winning this challenge is probably the best reward we’ve seen on any "Survivor." The winners were taken to the losing tribe’s camp and given two minutes to raid all their worldly possessions.

It was brilliant. Maraamu gleefully pillaged the camp, while Rotu were forced to watch the whole thing, pie-eyed and helpless. Maraamu took everything of value, including all that Rotu had ever won in previous reward challenges.

This first defeat and despoiling of their camp sent Rotu into a tailspin. Until now we knew little about the people in Rotu, but this week we got to turn over the rock to see what lived underneath.

John, the registered nurse from Nebraska, was the first to break ranks from our love-clan. With peace and harmony now a distant memory for Rotu, John went on an alliance-building crusade. He ran around camp like a manic used-car salesman, trying to make deals, talking of blood promises, swearing on his mother’s life.

When he was done, he’d sold seats to the Final Four to Tammy, Robert and Zoe.

Again, following John’s mad dash to ensure his security, I had an odd sense of foreboding going into this week’s immunity challenge. It seemed a foregone conclusion that we were finally going to see Rotu attend a tribal council.

Immunity this week was granted to the tribe that could devise the most effective distress signal for a passing ship. Armed with confidence from their victory and all of Rotu’s supplies, Maraamu kicked Rotu’s butt in this subjective challenge.

The similarities between this SOS challenge and our own SOS challenge in Africa were interesting to me.

The SOS challenge marked our first Boran immunity challenge victory, and it came after a lengthy losing streak. This was Maraamu’s first immunity victory after seven straight losses.

We won thanks partially to tribal elder Kim Johnson’s luxury item, her colorful paints. Maraamu won thanks in part to tribal elder Paschal’s luxury item, an American flag.

Part of our winning strategy was our goofy getups — we stripped down to nothing but our skivvies. Maraamu must’ve been on the same wavelength — they fashioned goofy white pilgrim costumes to attract attention.

OK, time to consult my gut for predictions and observations:

John’s arrogance is going to fill tribal council ballot boxes with votes reading "John."

That taste of power he got by surviving tribal council this week has intoxicated him, impairing his ability to make good decisions.

If his new alliance with Tammy, Robert and Zoe holds strong, however, he may stick around for a while. But the ink hasn’t yet dried on this contract, and the alliance could crumble next week.

Tammy looks better and better each episode. She’s kept her head on straight, has made no enemies and holds a position of power without being too obvious. Ever notice how often people go to her when they need something?

I’m still a big Gina fan, and I’m grateful the switcheroo rescued her from an untimely death. The longer she hangs in there, the better it looks for her.

God knows, I didn’t see this Gabe thing coming — but if I were a betting man, I’d say we’ll be seeing Kathy or Rob turning in their torch next week.

Lex is a Santa Cruz local who spent last summer playing "Survivor: Africa." When he’s not out looking for work, chances are you’ll find him hanging with his family, catching a surf, or playing with his band Luckydog.

Awareinva

Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Maris...LOL that Lex doesn't seem to notice the similarities between himself and John !!!

Moondance

Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Maris!... I thought of the same thing Aware!:)

Car54

Monday, April 01, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From the CBS site re Episode 6:

Next Week On Survivor
Paschal, Kathy and Neleh are shocked when they learn Gabriel, whom Paschal considered a son, was voted off the island.
John relishes his newfound position of power, but Rob is quick to challenge it.
One castaway encourages the tribe to throw the immunity challenge. The question is, will they?

Car54

Monday, April 01, 2002 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From CBS Eyemail:

No Game…No Glory…No Gabe!
Gabriel Cade's insistence that he was less interested in the game than the experience left him experiencing the feeling of being the first member of Rotu to be voted out of the tribe. On Thursday, April 4, 8/7c, John's leadership is threatened by Rob and one castaway sparks controversy with the suggestion that the tribe throw the immunity challenge!

Robert DeCanio
SURVIVOR Profile: Robert DeCanio, 38, is a limousine driver from Queens, NY. Self-dubbed "The General," the former customer services manager for the U.S. Postal Service is into mountain biking, weight lifting and jogging, and is a big fan of NY Rangers hockey and, apparently, tattoos. Robert's luxury item is a voodoo doll, assuring that none of the castaways will mess with him if they had the slightest inclination in the first place.

Hippyt

Monday, April 01, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OKay,I have a question..Has anyone seen the actual preview where John is talking about throwing the IC this week? The reason I wonder is because in the vidcaps,I can't tell if he is actually saying this to Sean and Rob,or if it's a voice-over,or used in a different shot.
It makes absolutely no sense to me why John would tell those two about throwing the challenge.Unless he thinks he can convince everyone to vote off another old Rotu,and I just don't see that happening.
Is John really this stupid?

Car54

Monday, April 01, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw it and I thought it was a voice over...I did not get the impression that he said it TO Rob...but then again, it wasn't smart to include Rob in his plan last week and he did it...so I guess the answer is...maybe John IS that stupid.

There is some spec that someone does something to get Rotu disqualified... not sure if it is Rob or John tho.

Pamy

Monday, April 01, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was thinking that Rob and Sean will probably make it to final four....they are lazy, don't do well in competittion, and are not outwardly saying they are leaders, so they will appear to be no threat when they compete individually. The main reason in S1 they kept Rich was cuz he provided the food, here there biggest worry is that the food doesnt hit them in the head on the way to their plates!

Micknrc

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Episode 8 (i think?) title:

Jury's Out

wow, what a revelation...

Squaredsc

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
does this mean they are focusing on pappy more? can't imagine anyone voting him out yet.

Llkoolaid

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am voting Gina out for 3 reasons which are probably all wrong considering my ratings in the deadpool and surviival.

1. We have always seen an obstacle course before the tribes merge. This should be the last week before the merge so it should be this week. Rotu is physically stronger than Marummu so should do better.

2. Merged tribes usually stay committed to their original tribemates and pagong the others off. With the switch it is just like a merged tribe, so even though they like Gina, I think they will remain loyal to Kathy.

3. Paschal and Neleh were both shown to be upset with Gabe voted off. We know when they merge that they will have to form an alliance with either John and Company or Sean/Rob/Vee. Both groups will be vying for an alliance with them and I think Paschal and Neleh will be upset with John for voting of Gabe. Gina has expressed her dislike for her old tribemates and therefor they know that she is less than likely to side with Sean/Rob/Vee so there best chance at a strong alliance is with Kathy. I think with Gina it would be 5 against 5 and with Kathy they have a chance of having 6 against 4.

Please tear apart my thinking because I need all the input I can get. I would like to get one vote right before this thing is over.

Gina8642

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Llkoolaid,

I like your thinking and do not want to tear it up. I'm very concerned Gina is going too. Another factor in favor of Gina going is all the press on Hunter and Gina dating. Seems they'd really need time together at loser lodge to have begun dating during the show - all the more likely she goes pre-merge.

I did have some thoughts on the obstacle course. I was just re-reading an interview JP gave before the season started and he talked about how they attempted to simplify the challanges some this go round. Said they had got too big and elaborate in the past (well maybe this isn't what he said, but how I interpreted what he said).

So anyway, this time they may stay more simple - no way to tell. Also, since they had to switch locations so last minute after September 11, maybe they didn't have time to design/contruct huge elaborate challanges?

Really I have no clue. I've been looking very carefully at all the vid caps I can find for ep. 6. Clearly only one challange is shown. If the one shown is RC (which I think it is) then IC really could be anything.

Hope that made the next bootee choice clear as mud. LOL

Enjoy!