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Awareinva

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I finally remembered to tape the Early Show. Semi-transcript to follow in a few minutes....gotta wake up the typing fingers :)

Honey51

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Aware. I'm at work and can't watch. I need an infusion of survivor news.

Awareinva

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jane introduced John as the ever confident self proclaimed leader. John looked pretty good - hair very short kind of gelled up, clean shaven (a much better look for him, that goatee was making him look sinister)

She said when the votes were read no one was more surprised than John; clip of Pappy saying his word was his bond, at his age that's all he had, etc. John's confessional saying how Pappy and Neleh were supporting his position in the game (basically that they were in it for him to win!), that this gave him two free passes, it was an amazing thing, mind-blowing, then to TC with Jeff announcing John is out, shots of Pappy and Neleh after the TC vote

Jane- Paschal gave his word and his word wasn't good.
John- And he's a judge, what's up with that?
Jane- why do you think they did that?
John-They wanted the million dollars (laughs)
Jane- You thought you had them.
John-Many people weren't playing the game until day 24.
Jane- you were playing from the beginning.
John-I was playing when I sent in my application
Jane- you applied for all four and finally got picked this time. Do you regret proclaiming yourself as the leader?
John- I never...
Jane- You said in the interviews the whole time "I am the leader, I am the leader" (she wags her finger at him)
John- (sheepish)- well in the interviews they are creative on what they pull out of you, they get what they want.
Jane-You,Rob, and Sean really got into it. I thought it might get physical, get into fisticuffs (Who says fisticuffs for goodness sakes!!??)
John- at one time, in Rob's last episode, episode 7, there was a moment where I was thinking about the contract trying to remember "If I hit him will I get kicked out?"
Jane- what was the fight about?
John- Rob stirring up trouble, he finally came to me, I was the next on his "terrible twosome" stop, he was trying to do what he could to expose everybody, whether it was lies or not lies, he just wanted to stir up trouble
Jane- were you bothered by Rob outing you?
John- I'm 36, been out a long time, it was the passive/agressive way he did it, kind of cheap; off camera Rob had some remorse and we talked about it and the things he said about gays and what that can do to a person
Jane- Then there was Sean. Do you regret the kiss off; that he took and did what he did?
John- Not at all, when I signed the contract, I signed on to provide entertainment. I knew I was on a tv show and did my part to be entertaining.
Jane- are you mad he outlasted you?
John- ummm, no actually, they were left with the only option, if they hadn't done what they did, I think I would have had less respect for them, I have tons of respect for what they did. If it had been me, I would have been on that in a second.
Jane- when we come back, you're gonna show me your tatoo.
John- yes me and two teammates got a tatoo. I won't tell you which ones but three of us got matching tatoos

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Awareinva

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Back at 8:30 with Bryant, Jane and Mark interviewing John

Bryant- last night Survivor reached the halfway point, 8 people gone, John got the "X" last night (show the faces and put the X over John's)
John- I hate that X, I watch every Friday and am like "oh noooo"
Jane- Why did you get so emotional last night?
John-I'm just a big ole momma's boy. During the interview process my mom made a big joke that she could retire when I got the million
Jane-So you feel you let your mom down?
John- I was like "Sorry mom, you have to keep working"
Bryant- Are you proud you lasted so long, proud of the way you played the game, or both?
John- Both, I'm one of 16 on Survivor: Marquesas. Whether I was off first of won the million, just being part of the experience was enough for me
Mark- As an openly gay man, Richard Hatch who won the first Survivor was also, how has Survivor been as a platform to show people who may not be familiar with gays in their life to see gay people as just people?
John- It's interesting because Rob definitely had some issues about my sexuality. He called me a "big time queeah" and a girl at one point, but he and I have had dialog and he said he's never known gays before. Rob and I are friends not because of this experience. I live in Nebraska, which is a very conservative state. It was a little scary to think what might happen, that I might get threatened. The week before I went to the final interviews I was the victim of a hate crime.
Bryant- (for the first time seems actually interested in the interview) You were? What happened?
John- I had just started law school, we were at dinner late at night. We were talking about what it was like to be gay in Omaha. Two guys 20-21 were listening. They followed me to my car, chased me on the freeway. They pretended to want some information, when I rolled the window down they threw a switchblade at me and tried to hurt me, they tried to run me off the road. My friends were worried and followed me (this part is kind of confusing, but you get the gist), I almost got out to confront the guys, but my friends told me the other one had a knife, told me not to get out.
My hope is I can continue talking about hate crime legislation and gay rights in general. This experience will hopefully give me a platform where I can do that. Funny, how you mentioned Richard Hatch. I was like his doppleganger, people always compare us. I'm like "Well, I look much better naked!"
Jane- How are those abs doing?
John- Well, I've been eating so they're not as good.
Jane- Ok tell us about the tatoo.
John- Me and two other...
Jane- Why won't you tell us who the others are?
John-We had a pact. To me it wasn't a big deal, but the other two said we just had a pact. We did it at a place where Ozzie Osbourne had a start in front. We were feeling pretty hip there.

He shows the tatoo on his outer right calf, just below the knee. Mark and Bryant say "What is it?"
John- its a sea turtle, stylized (it was actually pretty cool- once he said what it was it was very clear, but a pretty design)
John- The Marquesans use the turtle as a totem, they believe the turtle came to the beach, layed eggs and that's where they came from, While I was on the jury I was able to tour the island, saw lots of turtle images and so the three of us go that to commemorate it.

He told Jane she needed a tatoo on the small of her back, it would be very sexy. End of interview.

Awareinva

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that the tatoo thing was actually a pretty good spoiler. It has to be ones on the jury with him and only three of the seven got them.... who would John be close enough with to tour the island with and make that kind of pact?

From my view, sure looks like Tammy and the General. Zoe was in their group, but we saw her switch sides when she saw the way the winds were blowing last night. And Vee may have voted for Rob as a protection, but she was not tightly with John either, since she voted him out too.

John might forgive that kind of thing, but I don't think he would make a bond with matching tatoos with someone who changed on him. Tammy and Robert stuck with him last night. They will definitely make the jury and probably are the two with the matching turtle tatoos.

Also, John said that he actually respected Sean and his group more for what they did to him; that he wouldn't have respected them as much if they had just rolled over and took the Pagonging (my paraphrasing). This tells me that that respect has a part in his final decision- ie. that the ones who voted him off get to the end. I think Tammy and The General are history- reverse Pagonging!!! LOL

Marysafan

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Awesome re-cap!

I thought John cleaned up VERY nice. I thought he came across as being far more personable and friendly than his "on the island" persona.

and looks a 100 times better without all that hair.

Seamonkey

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He didn't say he toured with the other two, but I agree.. WHAT A POSSIBLE SPOILER.. now to find out who else got turtle tattoos.. :) (but they could have been the final two.. the tats were done later in Hollywood.

Great summary, Aware!!

I also thought John looked so much better; he definitely cleans up well, speaks pretty well, maintained a great balance.. wasn't all pissy or enraged about being voted off, he obviously understood the game and respected what happened. He understands that he's there to provide entertainment. But, he wasn't totally sunshine and roses, admitted that some stuff got to him, but also seemed to have had some later dialog with Rob.

Actually now that I think about it, the tattoos are probably not that much of a spoiler. He already knew all of the people, bonding didn't have to happen at "jury lodge".

I also remembered to set the VCR but woke up in time anyway.

Oh and there was a little blurb with him before the interview where they definitely brought up how he got teary and he said he's just a baby and then almost teared up again.. and joked about it.
In that small segment, Jane commented on almost not recognizing him and he said that on the show he'd gotten to look like a chia pet.


I liked him.

Hippyt

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great job Aware! I missed it as usual. I agree not much of a stretch to say it was most likely Tammy and Robert who got the tatoos.

Squaredsc

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 09:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks aware, i had to leave for work just when he was introduced, he is a cutie. loved his comments especially the respect thing. i wish i saw the tatoo, (i like tatoos) and it definately sounds like the other two are tammy and the general.

Whoami

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The only thing that bugged me was when he tried to say he had never proclaimed himself the leader, and insinuated that the way he was interviewed in the confessionals (and the way it was edited) is what made him look like he proclaimed himself the leader.

How anyone can think editing is responsible for "Everyone knows I'm in charge, that I'm calling the shots" is beyond me!

Marysafan

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked him too. I hope Rosie gives him a chance.

Seamonkey

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Square.. it was a really artful tattoo.. Maybe someone got a vidcap of it?

And yeah, I was surprised at how cute he looked.

I think Rosie will definitely give him a chance and maybe some help if he really wants to be involved in diversity education.

Just wondering.. does Rosie's show end before Survivor??

Tess

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rosie's show ends May 22 I think or at least that's when they stop taping and they are running new episodes til the end of sweeps which she thought was pretty wierd. There was a promo on her show the other day saying that they are starting the "good-bye" shows April 25. Caroline Rhea is doing all the Friday shows and she has interviewed some TAR and S4 people this season. I don't know the date of the S4 final.

Mygetaway

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh and there was a little blurb with him before the interview where they definitely brought up how he got teary and he said he's just a baby and then almost teared up again.. and joked about it.
In that small segment, Jane commented on almost not recognizing him and he said that on the show he'd gotten to look like a chia pet.


Sea, I've noticed that these "blurbs" are getting longer and longer..They start about 8 am. It's like they want to make sure you watch almost that whole hour, so they cram the interview into three segments..LOL..

I thought John looked good, too, and think it was kind of cool he cried last night. AS much as we grew to dislike him, like he said, he was also trying to create an interesting character for the show.

I think the tatoos are with Tammy and The General too. I think he was the closest to them out of everyone.

Mygetaway

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tess, I guess Caroline announced today that this was her last show until Sept. Rosie is going to be doing all 5 shows for the last 5 weeks.

Awareinva

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I taped between 8 and i:45 while I was taking the kids to school. I only rewound to what I thought was the first part of the interview. I'll have to go back on the tape and look for the first part.

I'm not big into tatoos, but I really liked this one.

Tksoard

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He was on Talk of the Town (Nashville) today, and said SO much more than this morning.

He heard N/P talking before TC and he knew he was going.

He didn't know Zoe voted for him AT ALL until this morning when someone told him. He just assumed last night that she voted for Sean. He said that he has some phone calls to make now!!

Last nights IC made GREAT television. People are saying that this survivor is equal to if not better than the orignal. He's so happy he had a part in it.

People who were not playing the game were forced to start playing. Rotu should have lost a challenge or 2 so they would be forced to play the game instead of sitting around chomping at the bit and then going gung-ho.

He talked to both Sean and Rob on the phone yesterday. He is still friends with everyone.

He was at the Elephant Santuary in Hollenwald TN last week doing an internship. He'll be back and stop in and say hi this summer.

It was a very good interview!! Better than ES.

Tess

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I heard that too, Mygetaway. Rosie comes on at 3pm for us. I wondered if John would be on today or early next week. He obviously wasn't on today but they also didn't announce him as one of the people on Monday's show. They did have Alex, The Bachelor, today, though.

Moondance

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Urgrace

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aware, nice transcript and Wow Tk, Thanks. You too, Moonie.

Tess, the S4 finale is on Sunday, May 19.

I think Rob and Sean are the other two with tatoos.

Car54

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
John's chat is up at Survivor Fever
John's CBS Chat

He calls Zoe "an enigma"....makes me think she did not spend time on the jury...he is friends now with Sean, so maybe they did, and he and Neleh are friends.

Moondance

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Car... it's a GREAT chat!

Hmmm the Zoe comment... she is an Enigma

Tess

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was a great chat, Car, thanks. Just got done reading the whole thing.

My take on the Zoe "enigma" remark is that he didn't know until yesterday that she voted him out. She could have been on the jury and not told him. Her vote was shown last night but he might not know her handwriting. He also had 24 days on the island to get to know her before the jury and, lets face it, how much have we really seen of her so far? Not much.

The impression I got when reading her bio was that she would be pretty hard to get to know. I can't even put my finger on why. Even if she's not going soon I believe there would be more confessionals from her if she had really said anything. Everyone else has had something to say (some more than others) but Zoe had her first confessional last night. She's certainly and enigma to me.

Neko

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I see how it's a turtle.
I couldn't see it for a second be I see it now.neko

Car54

Monday, April 22, 2002 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
From EW online:
John d'oh!

John explains why he's not Richard Hatch. Sure he plotted, he schemed, and he got naked -- but don't confuse this gay skinny-dipper with the first ''Survivor'' winner by Jessica Shaw


A(LIE)ENCE LEADER Unfortunately for John no one came to this nurse's aid



John Carroll, the 36-year old nurse from Omaha, wasn't lacking in the ego department out on Marquesas. Sometimes he seemed like a great leader, but sometimes he just came off as a power-hungry jerk. Unfortunately for him, the latter image stuck with his tribemates and he became the first member of the reject jury. He called EW.com to fill us in on his abs, Richard Hatch, and why he cried after getting the boot.

Did you know everyone thought you were being cocky?
As we were walking away from the challenge, you could kind of read it on people's faces. Those coconut-cutting things weren't an organized witch hunt. It was like, boom boom boom. Okay, uh, that doesn't look good. When we got back I fibbed to two of the other alliances and played them off each other and said to one that the other had told me I was going and the other way around. So I knew my number was up.

Very sneaky, John!
Well, I didn't want to be taken out by surprise. I wanted to steal their thunder a little bit. As I was in tribal council, I wanted to make it clear I knew it was up, and I wanted tribal council to be my swan song.

Did you get to give your alliance any last words before tribal council?
I just wished them all luck and said, ''Hey I'm going. Do what you can.''

Do you think Boston Rob poisoned everyone against you?
In effect, yes, he did get me. It's just that it took three days for me to die. As I was watching the show last week and Rob was getting voted off I was thinking, Nobody has any idea how mortally wounded I was. Once Sean and Rob arrived -- the terrible twosome -- they were causing all kinds of havoc. I spent so much energy dealing with the two of them that I lost track of why I was in the game. It became less about winning and more about the homophobe versus the homo.

Have you seen Rob since the show?
Actually, I haven't seen Rob, but we talked on the phone last night. We'd spoken before and he apologized profusely for calling me queer. He totally understood. I have no grudge or ill will against him. Rob is young. I think he learned important life lessons.

Were you surprised by how emotional you got after you were kicked off?
I knew that was my Achilles heel. I'm a very emotional person. It was the fact that I wasn't going to play the game anymore. I was missing my friends and family. I was hungry and tired from single-handedly dealing with Rob and Sean. It all hit me at that moment.

What was that about your mother not being able to retire?
My mother and I had this running joke that if I won she would retire. It was kind of tongue in cheek. I was just really missing my parents. After the show aired I was here in New York and my friends and family watched at my parents house. Everyone was crying because they knew how badly I wanted to win. I got each person on the phone and I was crying and they were crying. I told every single person something special about what they meant to me. It was a big boo hoo fest.

What do you think about the comparisons made between you and Richard Hatch?
I'm like, What the hell is that? It's like grouping Sean and Gervase and Clarence together -- comparing them simply because they're black. The fact is that our show is most similar to season one, and it was edited that way. Richard Hatch is not me and I'm not Richard Hatch. I didn't sit around and go, ''Hmm, what would Richard do? He took off his clothes. That's what I'll do.''

But you did take off your clothes.
I was up at a waterfall with this huge pool of water. Any liberal would think it's a cool place to go skinny dipping. Once I got home I thought to myself, What have I done? I'm just happy there weren't too many shots of me in my Marquesan warrior skirt last night. I had fabric left over from my kite so I made this sarong thing. I wanted to go commando but you could see right through it.

You made it a point to mention your great abs in your final interview. How are they now?
I've got a four pack now. I don't have a six pack anymore. People keep asking me if they can see them.

What was it like being alone after you got kicked off as the first member of the jury?
I had the first three days to myself. I was glad I had that time to process everything that happened. Next week you'll see what happens when I come back and I've eaten and had something to drink. The producers jaws were dropping. People are going to be stunned when they see the difference in what I look like. It's like the prodigal son coming home.

Do you wish you'd played the game as less of a leader?
My style is always to the point. I'm a strategist by nature. I'm always looking to capitalize. I wish on Rotu there was another one of me that I could have hidden behind a little bit to take some of the heat off of me. Everyone was pretty docile. Tammy was the closest but she's a journalist so she could be more detached.

So no regrets?
The only thing I would have done differently was the situation with Gabriel. He deserved a lot better. He has a beautiful spirit and in the midst of the game it seemed like it was the right thing to do. It probably was, too, because I think he would have gone on a tear that would have been almost unstoppable. And if he had made it to the final two, that's not somebody you want to be against. He's too kind and nice and funny and beautiful.

Are you using your ''Survivor'' fame for anything?
Unfortunately, all of it's free, but I'm doing a lot of volunteer work and that way I'll be able to network. Last week I was in an elephant sactuary where Asian elephants go after they've been abused or injured. I want to help them raise funds so I'll be speaking on their behalf. I have all my HIV/AIDS organizations and I'm going to do speeches for HRC, the Human Rights Campaign. I was nominatd to be marshal of the Omaha Gay Pride parade.

Do you hope to become famous from all this?
I love to speak so anything that comes out of this would be great. I would love to do spokesperson or hosting type stuff. That's what I want to do. I have community ambitions and I have my own personal ambitions. Hopefully they can work together.