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Muse | Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 11:30 pm     So here are my opinions after seeing the first episode (which probably means they'll all change before this series is over, if not next week)... Hunter - One of my favorites at this point. I don't really find him attractive, but I do think he's a good leader, and seems like a nice guy. Kind of like Lex, before the "slit their throat" stuff. Rob - Um, well, I thought he looked *really* good in his head shot. But he's not as good-looking as I thought. He also seems pretty dense. And I don't like the accent (sorry). I was slightly amused by his comments about Peter and being "holy", but overall I didn't like him. His interest in Sarah didn't exactly win me over, either. Sarah - The funniest moments in the episode concerned her. Like about her "floatation devices". And how she looks good, but *should* since she paid a lot to look like that. She doesn't seem particularly bright so far, either. And acting like Cleopatra was just lazy and stupid. John - Mmm...pretty! I like John, I think. He might have a bit of a temper/emotional side that he'll have to keep in check, though. But he seems fairly intelligent and self-aware. Patricia - Gotta say I was rooting for the "old"/overweight woman. Kudos to her for keeping up on the challenge and not being voted off. Of course it seems like she might get annoying in the next episode...maybe I should hold off on cheering for her. Vecepia - She seems pretty normal. I like her so far. Kathy - Um, is she like Sue Hawk with a fair dose of Lindsey Richter thrown in? No thanks. Sue was one of a kind, and I didn't like Lindsey. Gabe - Was prepared to hate him because of the Mike Boogie connection. But I didn't. Hm. Sean - Kind of torn on this one. I liked how he was annoyed by Sarah's laziness and behavior (I would be, too). But I wasn't too keen on his opinion that they should vote off the women to make a "better tribe". Dumb. And he needs to work on being less of an outsider, too. Peter - Uh, yeah. You need to tone down on the New Age stuff, buddy, or people will think you're a freak. Especially that stuff about orifices. Just...no. Should've taken your wife's advice. Gina - Still forming an opinion of her. I *think* I like her. Everyone else (so that's practically everyone at Rotu) - Still neutral. I'll have to watch a few more episodes. S3 seems like it'll be a good series, btw. It's off to a good start, and seems to have some interesting personalities. And the location is the prettiest we've seen yet, IMHO. I don't think these people will "suffer" as much as S2 or S3 did, but maybe that will give them more time/energy for personality conflicts (yay drama!) and such. Anyone else want to share their inital impressions?  |
Mssilhouette | Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 11:39 pm     Geez Muse I shared my impressions in the thread "First Impressions" |
Fruitbat | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 05:42 am     We have 2 threads on this. Maybe a moderator will come along and combine them. I like this group. Veceptia is my favorite at this point. It is still early but she impressed me. I like Gabe too. Kathy got off to a bad start and I agree with you, Mssilhouette.....She was correct about getting a fire going, just as Hunter was, yet she was criticized for taking the lead. Sean is my least favorite and I'm not too crazy about Rob either. This could change, of course. I don't particulary feel drawn to Zoe the boat captain either. I see Vecepia as a possible winner or at least the the final 4 unless she gets Pagonged. |
Jenhavins | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 05:46 am     {{{Fruitbat}}} I was very surprised about Zoe. She kept quiet the first show. She seemed like she would be the first to speak her mind. Let someone else be the fall guy. It is interesting how different perceptions of a Man taking the lead and a Woman taking the lead are portrayed. I also don't care for Sean. It seems that he has problems with just about everyone. |
Sukii1 | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 06:06 am     Sean will be battling for the Alpha male position, just like he mentionted, unless he's a lot of hot air. Rob is cute in SOME shots, but in others he isn't as cute...how odd is that. Hunter I like. He seems a good leader, not too abrasive, and is good at taking some ribbing from other tribemates. I think later he's going to have a target on his back, they'll try to get him out before the merge, he's a strong threat. Sarah annoys me...however, other than flaunting her 'well paid for body' , she didn't say a whole lot. Was interesting that Sean and Vec both voted for her..were they they only two? Maybe they've struck up some kind of alliance... John I can't remember hardly anything about lol. Patricia she seemed very low key, but with the previews we got, seems like maybe she gets a little ticked off that the tribe insinuated she wouldn't be a strong tribe member and goes into overdrive..possible bad move. Vec seems nice, not calling attention to herself. Kathy seems borderline on ticking people off. She almost blew it. Will be interesting to see how she does. Gabe is very low key. Gina is low key at this point. Not much story on her. Peter .. well all I can say is BUH BYE yoga man...boy he was a little off lol. I'm psyched about this season, looks like a good bunch of personalities!! |
Mssilhouette | Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 11:15 pm     I might be in a tiny minority but Thursday's show was a the first time I had see any of this 4th incarnation of the Survivor gang. I didn’t read the many posts about who was who and what they did. Okay I might have glanced just a bit, but not enough to know their names or what they did. So I was introduced to them tonight….my impressions so far are: 1) Gee they sure tried hard to make the mixture different this time (Heavy sarcasm) 2) What's with the implant chick and why didn’t she go first? 3) Nothing like a good dose of ageism to start out the 4th installation.…ahh to be young and stupid enough to think that Old means the same as “dead”. 4) Don’t they usually split up the token black people between tribes? Well in fact something new has been added. Oh wait, scratch that…S3 Alicia and whatever that guy’s name in the burgundy college sweatshirt were in the same tribe….My mistake. 5) Hey its in the tropics…Hey they have no food, Hey since when are farm fresh roosters indigenous to Tahitian islands? 6) I wonder if they were thinking during casting: Say we need a leader type…[shuffling of applications] Ahh here we go! “HUNTER A. GATHERER” Navy guy...Perfect and the Ladies will like him to. 7) I’m thinking the second meeting went something like “We need another Jesus like person...kinda like Ethan but blonde! By the show’s mid point things were starting to get good. Well at least the editing was anyway. So my impressions were expanded: 8) One tribe has a male leader and says “Hey lets’ start a fire and gather firewood” – Some mild grumbling but everyone agrees and no one is troubled….Interesting. A woman on the other tribe says the same thing, and suddenly it’s a B***H on wheels. Wow nothing like those subtle gender messages. 9) Hey someone might have sex!!…Who cares. 10) There sure are a lot of people with glasses on this show….Hey let’s boot the nearsighted folks off for being weak! 11) 7 holes and all of them full of S**T. 12) Now that we all have learned the meaning of “Chillin” we can go home now. 13) Hey girl its nice to tell everybody you’re gonna vote the way you wanna and no one’s gonna change your mind….It makes for a good soundbite later on when you side with whatever alliance you’ll be in later. 14) Waterfalls are great water sources…Bubbling holes in the ground are nasty. At tribal council, I began to get a little hopeful that they might vote off the weakest link and the lazy woman who dropped the torch… So the rest of my thoughts were: 15) Say what are those crazy WWF guys doing? 16) Okay WHO THE HELL doesn’t know about the dang torches mean life and yadda yadda…Get to the voting already. 17) Stop asking them stupid questions, they’re all gonna lie anyway…MOVE ON! 18) HEY Amazing race…Woohoo! 19) Wow odd guy got booted…what a surprise. 20) *SIGH* Welp can’t wait till next week. Gee someone finds fish. Let the excitement begin! I'm gonna watch beacuse I do like survivor but after I saw the Snicker's guy with clips from S3 I realized I'm just watching an hour long commercial. Ahh well the price of popularity. |
Grooch | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 06:12 am     Ahhhh... MsS, I've missed your posts. I'm so glad you are back. |
Trinity | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 06:28 am     Ugh Sarah, I wonder why they didn't vote her off first, I know I would have. She's far to young to have paid for her body. Damn girl, just excercise. |
Twiggyish | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 06:32 am     Yeah, I am still laughing MisSil..good take on things. #7 !!!!!! |
Lurkin | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 07:39 am     Isn't Sarah really Lindsey with her hair darker & chopped off. I swear that is her. And isn't Gina really Teresa? I can tell I have a love/hate thing with Sean. I saw a little Gervase in him everyone was working and he was laying on the raft . |
Dahli | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 08:00 am     I second that emotion Grooch - them good old laugh out loud posts are back!! |
Crazydog | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 09:23 am     Why is it that anytime there is a large breasted female on a reality show everyone automatically assumes they are fake? Now that was obviously the case with Toni from Love Cruise and likely the case with Catherine from TI, but I will reserve judgment on Sarah. And isn't it a little catty for "Vee" to complain that Sarah looks good because you get what you paid for? She's just a little jealous IMO. I'm not trying to defend Sarah. But she is definitely the most attractive female there and I think the others are trying to find reasons to dislike her. She has gotten off to a rocky start. Her "grand entrance" was a little overhyped by Jeff - he made it sound like she would come in like Lady Godiva. It definitely was not an "instant Survivor classic moment" as he put it. And sure, she should have rowed or done something rather than just bark out orders, but if everyone had such a problem with it, why didn't someone say anything right then? If I had been in that boat and someone was not pulling their weight, I'd probably say something. MsS, the token blacks usually get paired together. On SI, Gervase and Ramona. On SII, Alicia and Nick Brown, the most boring Survivor contestant ever. On SIII Clarence and Linda were on different tribes. But many people went for a while without realizing Linda was black and besides she's a little older so there's no chance of a romance. It is a little offensive to me that Mark Burnett always puts the black contestants together, I don't know, maybe he wants to see if there is a "black connection" or "black romance" or something like that. Why can't he just view them as individuals - it's as if he doesn't think there'd be any chance of a connection between them and any of the white folks. In this sense, Temptation Island has been the most color blind of all the reality shows - the contestants didn't seem to care about the color of people's skin (well except for "do you like chocolate or vanilla" Tommy). I think Patricia doomed herself by complaining about the fact that everyone wants to target her because she is the old fat woman. She shouldn't have been so confrontational and should have concentrated on working hard to gather wood and coconuts rather than griping. As soon as she falls in a physical challenge, she will be gone unless she can get herself into an alliance like Kim Johnson did. The only problem is that with Peter gone, she appears to be about 15 years older than her next oldest tribemate, and doesn't seem to have any natural alliance going unless she works hard on becoming more likeable. No doubt she is the one mentioned in the preview on the website, "a newly energized 'Momma' begins to take charge but fins dissension in her ranks". Same goes for Kathy. I was LOL when she said something about not wanting to be cast as the blonde bimbo. Uh Kathy, sorry to burst your bubble, but your bimbo days seem to be about 20 years in the past. She seems to be the one who "brings home a feast but gets a surprising reception from her teammates". I think it's curtains for her. If her tribe had lost last night no doubt she would be this year's Debb and Diane. I find it funny that we're now on the fourth version of this show, and on both tribes, the loudmouth older female has not learned to keep her trap shut at least for the first few episodes. And Rob, OK, the accent, I shouldn't judge him by that, it's part of him and he can't help it. He is funny at times but he also strikes me as a little dimwitted. And if he did have a B.S. in psychology, it doesn't really show. For a construction worker I thought his body would have been in better shape and I certainly would take issue with his "good looking guy that all the other guys will be jealous of" comment. I agree with Sukii, he looks good in some shots but downright bugly in others. Sean will add spice to the show. Unlike previous Mark Burnett casted black contestants, he seems more in line with the "angry black man" contestant that you usually see on The Real World. It's sad that all of the minority characters in the past except for Linda seemed to have been cast because they were as white as they could be without being white. I am not sure if this makes sense to anyone, but to me it was like Mark Burnett was trying to demonstrate diversity without really having it. For the most part, all of the minorities have blended in and didn't contribute to anyone's experiences about being different. It's nice to see a black man from Harlem who isn't afraid to express his thoughts and individuality. I will enjoy watching him... he definitely will get into some confrontations. Wow, did we actually see a religious person on Survivor that wasn't portrayed as a kook? (Rob's reaction notwithstanding.) I am glad that it seems there is more than one religious person this year. It was sad in the past to see that religion was held against contestants, like Dirk. We hardly saw any of the other tribe that I don't really know many of their names. The old judge was smart not to be too outspoken. |
Squaredsc | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 09:27 am     well we are back in the sadle(sp) again. well so far sean is my favorite player and not mention he has a six pack to die for. the "queen of the nile" has to go. if i was rowing my heart out and she was laying back tanning, i would have knocked her in the water. so once again the producers have gone with t & a. and she dropped the darn torch in the water. and peter who was very instrumental in starting the fire gets booted off cause "they don't understand him". please give me a break. but i did think it was odd for him to try to discuss voting strategy out in the open. did they forget that they need to vote off the weak ones first? and i think that's what sean meant when he was saying to get all the women off first, and even though i am a woman, he is partially right, we are the weaker sex when it comes down to physical stuff. (we aren't all buff like alicia from the outback series). the rest of the team was ok except for rob. how is it he didn't know roosters could fly??? i like hunter he will certainly help the tribe to "survive". no opinions on the rest of them yet. the other tibe was ok, i liked john and the limo guy, can't think of his name. well now i have just drawn a blank of the rest of the people, have to come back later to continue my thoughts.  |
Amac | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 09:53 am     I have no idea whether Sarah's hooters are fake. Sure would appreciate the opportunity to find out, though.  |
Lurknomore | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 10:28 am     "the rest of the team was ok except for rob. how is it he didn't know roosters could fly??" Canton is about 15 or 20 minutes (or 2 hours depending on traffic LOL) outside Boston. We don't get a lot of roosters in these parts. Shortly before that sucker flew away I thought to myself "do they fly????" So I wouldn't judge him on this. At least he was trying to do something productive and Richard Hatchish...get food for the tribe. He did seem dense in his infactuation with Cleopatra, but heck he's a guy so we know what he was thinking with (nuff said LOL). Beyond that I liked him best of what they have shown so far. He was funny. These shows have lacked funny IMHO with the exceptions of Rudy and my favorites Curtis and the always a Depends moment Kevin & Drew(show-merge lol). Lurkin hope we don't get confused here...after all I AM "Lurk." |
Trinity | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 10:29 am     It's not hard to tell if someone's breasts are fake if you see them up close, they look like they don't belong to them. As for me, I got sick of Sean's "I'm from Harlem" stuff. Hey, I live in Harlem and have for more years than Sean's been alive. Harlem's just like any other neighborhood in NYC (except Bill Clinton's here!)I get sick of the "angry black male" stereotype. Maybe what Mark Burnett is trying to show is that people are people. Also if people didn't know Linda was black shame on them. I knew that the second I saw her. |
Aussiedeb | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 10:38 am     The weird thing is though, Sean doesnt even live in Harlem anymore. He lives in LA. I would have also kicked sarah off the raft, or hit her in the head with my paddle, but then again she wouldve floated in anyway lol |
Squaredsc | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:08 am     fdl aussie. the people i work with are now wondering why i am on the floor laughing. i needed that. |
Karuuna | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:08 am     Well, as long as we're talking about breasts... Most domestic chickens/roosters can't fly. They've been bred over time to have really large breasts to please consumers. Large breasts don't go well with flying. However, wild fowl, the ancestors to our domestic chickens do fly for short periods, cause their breasts don't get in the way. So, Rob can't really be faulted for not knowing. But I swear when that rooster crowed and Rob said "do you hear that *turkey*?", I almost bust a gut. |
Whoami | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:24 am     Very first impression, when the cast was announced a few weeks ago. Quite a few non-traditional names this time around. Now, on to some of the people.... Rob: I thought it was funny, when you could hear a rooster crowing in the background, and he said something like, "did you hear that? It was a gobble gobble. I think it was a turkey. I don't know if chickens make that sound too or not." OK, I didn't grow up around chickens/turkeys either, but I sure learned in kindergarden what a "gobble gobble" and a "cocka doodle doo" were, and which critter did it! He does come off dim, but is he playing a game? That accent grates on me too. Gina: not much air time. But I noticed a somewhat intense look on her face, especially when JP was talking at TC. It looks like she is thinking she'd best pay attention, cause anything said early on may come back in the form of a challenge! Cleo-sarah-patra: Anyone notice the "noble" sounding music (trumpets blaring) when they were showing her to Sean's voice over about her Cleo grand entrance? I think this may have been a case of the producers seeing a lot more than we did, which led to MB's comment of a "classic survivor moment." They didn't show us enough for it to become all that classic to us. She needs to use her body to WORK (IE, chores), not to just flash it around. She was'nt too bright to sit there and bark out "stroke, stroke, kick, kick." If she didn't know that would instantly "un-endear" her to the rest of the crowd, she's dimmer than Rob. No wonder they seem to be the two to hook up! Hunter: Good leader, without really ticking anyone off (except for the other wanna-be-alpha male). Seems to be able to voice intelligent suggestions without it sounding like he's barking out orders. Sean: Anyone who sits on their butt and gripes about an appointed/emerging leader, and talks about how they'd be a good/better leader ("I'm an alpha male too...") is just jealous. A good leader leads by example, and has the goods to back up his mouth. Has Sean done that yet? I didn't care for his "keep as many men here for strength" crap too. Yes, women are physically weaker, but there's a lot more to the challenges than strength. Maraamu (sp?) was leading the challenge until they got to the buoy with the fire. They were so poorly organized and couldn't work as a team to get their torches lit. They bungled around until Rotu (sp?) swept right past them. Patricia: I'm not so sure she doomed herself by complaining everyone wanted to target her for being old and fat. They showed her defending herself to one tribe member "I'm not 25, and I won't win a foot race with you..." We don't know what that tribe member had said to her. I see her a bit like myself, ultra sensitive to how others react to her. Believe me, I know first hand what it's like to get those "looks of judgement" from people when you're fat. Her conversation to the camera was analyzing what people were thinking of her and why (I do that a lot too). I don't think she was saying those things to the other tribe members. She seemed to hold her own in the challenge. Nobody pointed to her as the reason they lost, like they did to Sonya and Dianne. Kathy: I think she said she hadn't planned on being the "blond bit*hy woman," not blond bimbo like a previous poster said. I'm sure she's smart enough not to fancy herself the bimbo type. An interesting look at Sociology, that she was considered irritating for being right about what needed to be done. Too bad we can't go to an alternate world and use the same exact personality/character in male form, to see if he would have been considered "pushy." Of course, Frank was considered too bossy, but that was by a group of mallrats on vacation! Not a whole lot of impressions yet on the rest.... |
Moondance | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:29 am     >Cleo-sarah-patra< LOL too much Whoami!!! |
Moondance | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:34 am     I agree with your summary Whoami... very good... I also found it funny Sean sitting and laying around even getting Peter to sit with him when he claims Sarah was lazy and doing no work... he also calims to be a leader... nope show by action not words please. |
Crazydog | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:46 am     I had forgotten the part about the "turkey" and "chicken". LOL Rob is of the age to have had a 'see and say' or even if he didn't, he clearly went to school where you sing "Old MacDonald" all the time. No one can be that dumb can they? I really don't think it's an act, maybe he says things without thinking through them, or was excited about hearing food, etc. But I really don't think he should be faulted about the flying rooster thing. I have to confess that I thought the same thing too... I am from the midwest and grew up in an area that had a chicken farm nearby (BOY do those things stink) and always thought that their wings were vestigial, like penguins or those other birds that don't fly. I had never heard of them flying, thanks Karuuna for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense. Whoami, you're right, she didn't say bimbo she said bizatch. But why she had to throw in "blonde" was puzzling, the biggest Survivor bizatch of all was not a blonde. And as far as the trumpets, I thought it was a little too much. Maybe if they had set it up with a little bit of the conversation the context would have been better. If she had said simply, I'm too tired, you guys paddle, sure, she deserves the treatment. But for all we know she decided to stand up so she could watch out for rocks, or was laying down because she was sick, etc. And her whole standing up thing may have lasted just a few seconds while she was stretching or something and they reedited footage from multiple cameras. Seems to me that MB is looking for a villain and has decided to cast Sarah. If Jeff and Mark can get so excited over something like that who knows what's in store! |
Marysafan | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 11:51 am     As I have a semi-personal connection to John. He is my champion. I like the way he admitted to letting his temper get the best of him...and then making amends to the tribe by making fire. Thumbs up for John...(but making fire didn't help Peter...so take a page out of Curtis's book and continue to be nice...and funny doesn't hurt either...you'll have to keep up the good deeds). Kathy... a lot has been said about the difference between a man taking the lead and a woman. I honestly don't believe that the gender has as much to do with it...as the manner. The folks on Hunters team seemed to be very comfortable following his lead. They talked about how he got everyone's input and how he got everyone involved. Kathy admitted to acting out of frustration. There is a HUGE difference between being a "boss" and being a leader...Kathy is a boss...Hunter is a leader....a difference of manangement styles. Gretchen from Survior I was a leader and a female. See the difference. I didn't get to see much of this tribe...but was very impressed so far at how they worked as a team...they sure did well in the challenge....keep that up and the other tribe could be in trouble. Peter...kinda kooky...a bit conceited...but I liked him. But then I like quirky and off-beat. Queen Sarah...gotta go...and soon! Colleen and Elizabeth were cute AND nice. All looks ...no personality. Patrica...quit your whining. You are old and fat and female...so contribute something. Make them laugh...feed them well...and be supportive....that will take you much farther. Quit looking for excuses...give them reasons to like you! So far I haven't seen many. Sean...not my cup of tea. Too much contradiction. Plays the "God" card...and then is so unkind. I just don't get it. Plays the Harlem card and lives in LA...what's up with that? I am just not believing this guy. Hunter...smooth ...very smooth. Rob...cute...quirky...tries hard...but he has got to lose the babe...she will be his downfall. Veceptia....has got it all together...fit, calm, strong, and smart. She will go along way. Didn't get much of a chance to form an opinion on the others...so I will reserve judgement until next time. but over all...yeah...I can live with this group for the next several weeks. Speaking of minorites...when am I going to get to see my token French Canadian hockey player! Geez! I have my fantasies too! |
Mssilhouette | Friday, March 01, 2002 - 12:02 pm     Crazydog, you're right about the token blacks and about how temptation island doesn't really care as much. I just wish Survivor was the same. Oh well if wishes and buts were candy and nuts...you know the rest So far I haven't seen anyone stick out as a potential winner but its extremely early in the game. Heck I don't even know their names yet I do know that Sarah's entrance standing up on the raft, breasts at attention was NOT a classic survivor moment. A future playboy layout moment maybe...and who doesn't see that coming! I swear MB is just getting contenstants to fill up a Survivor calender. (C'mon you know it's gonna happen) Thanks for the warm welcome back! |
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