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Squaredsc

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i just had to start this thread 'cause it has taken up so much space in the spoiling thread. yes sean makes comments regarding race and now slavery. i don't know if you all have heard other black people refer to slavery or race in conversations, sometime seriously and sometimes jokinly. for instance we have used the phrase, my manager is working me like a slave today. or when someone tells us to something we may say, im not your slave or slavery was abolished years ago. or my favorite phrase, im as hungry as a runaway slave.

this is just to give you all something to think about. he also has that new york, holier than thou attitude. i have and im sure some of you also, went to college with people from new york and they acted the same way. no offence to those of you from new york. but they/we have that kind of ghetto tough attitude.

anyhoo this is just to say that I thought his mention of slavery was humerous to ME.

any other comments about race??

Cinnamongirl

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well IMO I thought his slavery/Roots comment was anything but humourous, but thats just me, I did not take it as joking. Sean is sportin' a 'tude. If thats his way of playing Survivor, well, good luck, it doesn't mean I have to like him.

Reading thru the comments on the Sean thread I was amazed how quickly things turned to race. Sean being a lazy @$$hole has nothing to do with colour. Just as Jerri being a b*tch had nothing to do with her colour. I was pissed off with Underdog for insinuating that we tagged him "Lazy Black Male", when in reality we just tagged him a lazy male. Colour wasn't an issue, and its a damn shame that some people think it is.

Whowhere

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Square - I'll make a comment on your thread.

Yes, I've heard all those phrases before and haven't taken any offense to them when they were said. I said from the beginning that I thought he was funny and I still do. Sean is a normal person who, given the circumstances, maybe isn't portraying himself the way that some people would prefer (or should we say 'being portrayed'). Some things that people need to keep in mind are 1.) He's on TV. Could all of us honestly say that we would act the same in front of a national audience as we would be at work/home/church?? No, we wouldn't - no matter how comfortable we are in front of a camera. He's a strong person and he doesn't want to be portrayed as weak - and I KNOW that MB is showing us his worst side, regardless of what those (who I'm sure will attack me for saying this) think. 2.) He's a brotha, from NY, no doubt, on an island with a bunch of white people. Would that set him up with attitude? Yes, I think it would. Just how do you think Hunter would act if it were him, Gina and 6 black guys from NY? He's a successful person in his life, with his career - perhaps he automatically feels they think he's inadequate compared to the other tribe members or assumes they would stereotype him as the 'ghetto brotha' who has no money and no intellect. If it were 6 blacks and 2 whites we would see a completely different Sean. He would be in his element and, more than likely, already know he's highly respected by the other black people. Most of us know that black people have been conditioned to think that white people automatically group them in that category. It's sad that that's how people think, but in my experience, white people have given blacks plenty of reason to have that attitude. If he wants to play the race card, let him. What saddens me is when white people get all offended when blacks say anything about being black or commenting about slavery. To me, it makes the situation worse. If I were on the island, Sean and I would be tight, because I would be open and tell him, straight up, that I admire him and think he's an outstanding person. He obviously has built in resentment toward white people and I'm sure something or someone in his life prompted that. Is that his fault? No, but I would go out of my way to let him know that that's not what THIS white person is all about.

I went to schools that were about 70% black, 15% white and the rest asian, cuban and mexican. My mother taught me to respect and love all people regardless of their color. Something I've learned as I've aged that goes with that is in order to truly understand people, you have to have the ability to walk in their shoes. If you can't to that, then you won't ever understand.

One last thing. I think Rob will (should) be voted out first. Once he's gone, I don't think he'll feel as compelled to prove himself to the others. We may see a totally different person. I think Rob brings out the worst in him. It's like Rob is the fuel and Sean is the fire. Rob is a total <edited--no racial oriented name calling>-white-trailer-trash-wannabe-male-chauvinistic pig!!

One more last thing - Seans abs ARE AWESOME!!! Best ones on the show AND I'll get blasted for this too...........HUNTER TURNED NORTH AND SUNK THE TITANIC!!!

With a nose like that who needs a sausage??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH :)

Just my

Julieboo

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who-- you admire Sean and think he's an outstanding person?

Cinnamongirl

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
geeze whowhere, nice comment on Hunters nose, sounds like something Rob would say.


This is a good thread about the race issue and Sean.......

http://pub53.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=14945.topic&start=1&stop=20


I'm thinking if its a toss-up between Rob and Sean being booted, it would be Sean, only because of his outburst. The other tribemates don't know what Rob has said about each and everyone of them behind their backs, otherwise it would be Rob.

Julieboo

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>>He obviously has built in resentment toward white people and I'm sure something or someone in his life prompted that. Is that his fault? No.<<<

Who-- what about the reverse? What if a white person has built in resentment towards black people? Then that's not their fault either??? I DON'T THINK SO!

And what or who are you talking about here >>With a nose like that who needs a sausage???<< That really sounds like something Rob would say. Not very nice or mature at all....

Julieboo

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cinnamon-looks we are on the same wavelength about that ignorant nose comment!

Julieboo

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Excellent link, CG!

Whowhere

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"The world is divided into people who think they are right."

Oh, and based on what I've read at this place, I didn't realize being "nice and mature" was required. And, making that comment just goes to show how biased you are. I completely dissed Rob (but that was OK) but make a joke about Hunter and you get blasted.

Bring it on you guys - I can take it.

Moondance

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Coddling a person would be just as insulting... Sean has made choices ... he is an adult, he could have chosen to be a good example to the children he teaches but has not.

Saying 'white' people reacting or getting offended is just another race card played out ... why can't we all just be people for gawds sake and leave the friggin color out of it!

Whowhere

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
See Squared - I knew I'd get blasted -

AND, I can feel the pride eminating from his students all the way from NY. I'm sure they are VERY proud of Sean regardless of what you think.

Xxlt

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sean's problems with racism are way out of bounds.


i happen to be a fan of racism. every sunday i watch nascar and think that being able to drive
at 200 miles an hour would be pretty cool.

Moondance

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Glad that you are proud Who ... continuing the race card just does that continues the division of this human race. We are all one and it sad that most don't get that. And it is even sadder that people continue to provoke the hatred.

Firebird05

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whowhere you did a good job defending Sean. I believe you are correct that if Sean were with people he felt more familar with we would see a different Sean. He did choose to go on the show and must have known that there would be plenty of white folks around.

I am glad your mother taught you to respect all people but I must point out to you that alot of people find the terms white trash and trailer trash
to be very offensive. Since you also use the term "honky" I suppose you know what it means. I do not believe anyone has been that nasty towards Sean.

While I completely agree that Rob is unlikable I wish you would choose different terminology.

Nessietessie

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
who, I feel you are extremely insulting in many ways. To attack someone for their
looks (making the comment about Hunter's nose) is immature and mean.

I believe it is alright to comment, good or bad, on survivors personality traits,
but to comment on their looks is downright nasty. A person can control their
unpleasant personality and the unkind remarks they say about others,
re:Rob's homophobe remarks,
and Sean's racist remarks, but a person cannot control their looks, unless they go
under the knife, and everyone does not have the money or the ability to
change their looks.

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Please, no personal attacks on fellow members.

(M)

Wink

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>I went to schools that were about 70% black, 15% white and the rest asian, cuban and mexican. My mother taught me to respect and love all people regardless of their color. Something I've learned as I've aged that goes with that is in order to truly understand people, you have to have the ability to walk in their shoes. If you can't to that, then you won't ever understand.<<<

Well respect goes both ways. I'd like to hear Sean's definition.

Cinnamongirl

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nessie, that was priceless!! :) ROFLMAO

*edit* moderator, you should have looked at the picture first before deleting Nessie post. It was a collie dog, that just happens to have a long nose. It was cute, not in anyway hurtful

Whowhere

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If you seriously think my dog is me then well, maybe I'm in the wrong place. New profile picture added.

And, thank you moderator for defending my beautiful dog. :)

Lancecrossfire

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whowhere--the logic of your comparison and reaction is flawed. You didn't make a comment about a physical feature on Rob like his ears are way to big, or he has a hunchback.

Had you made comments like that, and got blasted for only making them about Hunter, you'd have a valid point.

As far as your comments about Rob that are negative--I think if you showed them as being a blocked out image and changed their voives to sound the same, their actions and what they have to say would be VERY similar. I would consider both to be lazy, both to be chauvinistic, both to be wanna be (although I'm not sure what they wanna be--something other than what they are), and both having double standards of what they want from others compared to what they are willing to give.

Neither are trailer trash, IMHO. As to your other comment, it's completely unacceptable for this board.

Moderator

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, Whowhere must have changed her profile picture before I read the post. At the time I read the post, I checked the picture and saw her new one. lol!

Sorry about that, NessieTessie. :)

(M)

Jville

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Perhaps you need to read some of the other posts on this site. A lot of things that have been said could be considered 'unacceptable' in my eyes.

Define what's unacceptable.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jville, have you read the rules/policies yet?

rules/policies

Moderator

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jville, hopefully this link will help to define it.

The part I edited out, combined with the new picture I saw, looked like a personal attack on a member. It has now been pointed out that there was a different picture in the profile at the time of the original post and it was a joke.

Link

(M)

Jville

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I have and I don't think who's post was anymore unacceptable than some of the others I've seen.

JMO

Squaredsc

Friday, March 22, 2002 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
good posts who...glad to see this topic take off like it has. folks please refresh my memory remember in bb2 when monica mentioned race did we go off on that like we have here?? i can't remember.

who--can we be play cousins??