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Archive through April 22, 2002
Whowhere | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:47 am     Ha ha hee hee! Hubby and I were high-fiveing each other last night! I agree, this is one of the best one's yet! We were sooooo pulling for Sean to stay. V's comment was a pretty good indication for what was going to go down. Loved Sean's vote comment and love that John is GONE!! He was crying like a baby. Ha ha hee hee!!  |
Awareinva | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:54 am     I think that maybe the fact that immunity is now transferable made them do the IC that way. Before, they could have been more subtle and not target people so directly. But with it being transferable they were making darn sure that it came to one of their alliance. I'm not saying it was smart (I mean they could have just had a first second and third choice prearranged at TC for the vote in case the immunity was given away). I'm sure they all regret targeting Pappy and Neleh so hard .. in hindsight it it so simple. LIke Rudy said about his hand slipping off- that decision cost one of the Rotu 4 the million. They should have targeted Sean- he expected it, but they could have been better about spreading it out between the others. Of course they didn't have time to discuss it- the decisions had to be made individually as the challenge progressed and their true natures showed. Brilliant challenge by the producers!! |
Shakes | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:02 am     I hope John never lives down the crying - there's no CRYING on Survivor! I wish we could have seen the look on Rob's face when John walked in the door at Loser Lodge. (It would have been just three days since Rob arrived - is that right?) |
Awareinva | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:06 am     Shakes, the jury is kept separate from the other members. Supposedly they went to a cruise ship. So John was by himself for a few days. But Tammy will be coming soon to keep him company. I always wondered if they tell the non-jury people who goes every three days....or if they keep it secret from them so they are less likely to spill the beans before the final TC. Probably don't tell them anything- then all they know is who wasn't on the jury. |
Shakes | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 09:00 am     Thanks for the info Aware, it makes total sense - but I'm soooo disappointed - Rob deserved the last laugh. I, too, am relieved that Tammy will soon arrive to dry John's tears (tee-hee). |
Nanya | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 10:19 am     Lance, lighten up. After John blew Sean a kiss, he was in line for some good natured kidding. John sealed his own fate with his smugness. This is going to get good now. Z/N/P have made life unstable for T/R. Are these real alliances or a response to the IC? There may be some real shuffling and scuffling going on now. The gloves are off! |
Seamonkey | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 10:40 am     I'm confused that Lance needs to "lighten up"? Good natured kidding doesn't always have to include racial references, and Sean usually does. Gloves off works both ways. == I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how the next votes go.. I agree that there may well be more shuffling because I don't see real tight alliances, at least not the whole group who came out on top last night. == John's interview today didn't show bitterness at all and what a treat it would be to have some alone time. Tammy could well be next, and that would be okay by me. |
Squaredsc | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:14 am     lance i mentioned this in another thread, but sean's comment about betting on the black was from wesley snipe's movie, passenger 57......so is john/sean a.....still? |
Squaredsc | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:18 am     sea, i guess sean can't show some "black pride"? it has to be a negative racial reference? oh well we've talked that one to death and still no one gets it. square goes back to her home world. |
Faerygdds | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 12:11 pm     Squared... just you don't feel all alone.. I cackled like mad for about 20 seconds after the bet on black comment.... I absolutely LOVED IT!!! For that matter, so did my Mom and Dad! (I HAD to call right after the show!)
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Lancecrossfire | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 12:13 pm     I had no problem to the response Sean gave John for blowing him that kiss. I thought it was great. That has nothing to do with the "bet on black" comment or the Jonnhy Cochran comment by Sean. I challenge you to tell me that if John or Robert had made similar comments they wouldn't have been called racist. I'm not saying Sean is--I'm saying he's saying things related to race that if a white person said they'd be so attacked here and everywhere else as being racist. As far as "black pride", sure he can show it. I'm waiting to see the reaction if anyone were to show a little 'white pride" though.(whatever the heck white pride would look like) Bottom line is Sean is indicting what happens to him in the game is because he is black. I see nothing to indicate that. If you do, please bring it on. Now back to thiungs like the Godfather kiss and his response. I saw a lot of joking going on with others. It could be masking for giving people jabs, however Sean was certainly not the only one to get them. I agree that John stepped init big time, and the only person he has to blame for getting voted off is himself. |
Seamonkey | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 01:22 pm     I can't say it any better than Lance just did.. there is not a thing wrong with black pride but when it is a constant reference point in Sean's mind, it really skews his way of relating. Not his race, his constant reference to it as the reason for any grief he experiences. It also complicates his chances of actually communicating with these people. Sean definitely has a sense of "timing".. he's funny and spontaneous. And I was happy to see the results last night. |
Lancecrossfire | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 01:58 pm     I happen to think Sean has a lot going for him. I think he's a straight up guy, and I think he wants to do well in the game. His sense of humor, IMHO is very good. I think he did a good job getting some of the spot light on John, although John sure gave him plenty of ammunition. I was a bit worried about the way Kathy was pressing evreyone, including Zoe. I figured that would anoy everyone enough to get her booted. (I think she is playing well and giving it a great effort, but her whining is a bit much) It would have been interesting to see Neleh and Paschal for all three of the days and what they had to say to each other. I think that trnasition within them about the game and the direction to go would have been cool to watch. |
Yuhuru | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 03:59 pm     Let's assume the "bet on black" comment wasn't from a movie. I believe that John and Sean formed a friendship(maybe I'm naive)& would imagine that John laughed out loud when he saw that comment. To Sean (and me) his racial references are meant to be funny, and to me they are. I don't like Sean very much, but you guys are gonna make me like him if you keep knit picking at everything he says regarding his race. I'd like to hear from the black people in TVCH who are offended by Sean's comments Almost switching directions...other than the farting, has Sean done anything offensive sense the merge? Other than what Gina told them, why would Pappy be so anti-Sean? |
Grooch | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 04:50 pm     I thought the "bet on black" comment was hysterical. And I loved it when he said "Checkmate". I think these survivors have been together long enough now to understand each others personalities and not to take things to seriously. They can relax (to a certain degree) and joke with each other, while at the same time trying to play the game. When Sean first got there, the survivors didn't know him and neither did we. And coming out with those comments full blast at strangers is very intimidating, and I think that is what he was trying to do. He wanted to intimidate Hunter and let him know that Sean was the alpha male. He was straight out making fun of Hunter on the beach when he was calling him Mcgeyver. He was testing Hunter. Hunter didn't have any comebacks and all he could do was to laugh at himself. I also think a lot of those comments was to keep himself distanced from the team. Not to let them get to close. Kind of like to keep himself emotionally uninvolved so he can keep his mind clear and on the game. (Unlike Gina and Sarah who got emotionally involved with Hunter and Rob.) The survivors were all new to each other and didn't know how to handle Sean. He kept them off kilter. The same way Rob would come out w/ crap to stir the pot. When Sean went over to Rotu, he did act lazy, but I can't really blame him. They were out of control w/ how much work they did (trying to one up each other) and he knew that he was most likely to be pagonged. So why kill yourself? Plus, like he said, how much work is there to do out there? Work in the mornings and evenings when the weather is cool, and rest during the hottest part of the day. He made the most sense. In regards to the "I'm not a slave" comment. I think we were shocked by it and cringed, because all we had been seeing were his constant race remarks. Plus on top of it, the heated discussions that were going on here about race. My first thought was "oh, no, here we go again." It kind of put my guard up. But I soon realized that the comment probably meant nothing at all. How many times when we get overworked by our bosses and get pissed and he asks us to do one more thing and you think to yourself. "How dare he, I'm not a slave." The comment has nothing to do with race. If someone white had said it to another white person, most likely, most of us wouldn't have thought twice about it. It probably wouldn't even have been shown. MB was the one who had pounded this race thing in our heads with the editing of Sean. Anyway, they have been there now for how long? 29 days? I think they are all comfortable enough and have bonded that they can joke around and not be offended. Unless there is a real idiot out there. We will never know because of the editing. Look at Sean farting and not caring and the others are jokingly protesting. So Sean is black and John is gay. So what? They are comfortable enough with each other now, that they can joke about it and not worry about offending each other. To bad we can't do the same thing here. Anyway, that's my ramble for tonight, and this will be my only comment on the race thing.(Lord, I hope I keep my promise.) I think it is overblown and I have enough aggravation in my life right now. I like Sean more and more as the series goes on. But I am also liking Kathy more too. Because we get to see them surviving the odds. I hope they make it to the final 2 without screwing anybody over. |
Pamy | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:18 pm     Me too Gooch!! I want them to be the last 2!!! But we know how Pascal feels about Sean winning and I agree that vote wasnt to save sean but to break up john and his little brood, so I am thinking sean may be next to go since it would still give this new alliance the upper hand
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Seamonkey | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:57 pm     I have a feeling that they are more threatened by Tammy than Sean, so winning immunity may be key. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 07:57 pm     I am not so sure Pamy, I don't think they will fully trust Zoe yet so they might get rid of one more before Sean so they don't need Zoe's vote. I don't have a clue who to pick next week. I don't think Kathy will go after Sean soon, because she knows she will follow him and I don't think she really trusts Zoe. I am so confused, it could go so many ways next week. I think everyone is going to be scrambling for new alliances. I think they wanted to break up Tammy and John's power so it might be Tammy and then Sean. I think it will be either Tammy,Zoe or Sean, I need a whole lot more discussion before I am going to vote. |
Grooch | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:10 pm     All I wish is that Acme would tell us who won immunity and then we would be fine on picking out our own. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 08:36 pm     I am just glad that I was able to resist peeking at Acme. I loved the show last night, I thought Sean was a goner and was excited watching the immunity. I wasn't sure if they got it until they showed Neleh and Pappy taking that walk and talking. I don't see how Pappy broke his word. What he said was that integrity was important to him and his word or something along those lines. When he saw that John was using him didn't he have a right to say all bets are off, he word to John was based on his trust of John. I think I am talking myself into voting Tammy off. |
Realfan | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 09:13 pm     <<But I soon realized that the comment probably meant nothing at all. How many times when we get overworked by our bosses and get pissed and he asks us to do one more thing and you think to yourself. "How dare he, I'm not a slave." The comment has nothing to do with race. If someone white had said it to another white person, most likely, most of us wouldn't have thought twice about it. It probably wouldn't even have been shown. MB was the one who had pounded this race thing in our heads with the editing of Sean. >> Yes, that would explain things nicely, except that Sean threw in a ROOTS reference, which is specifically about whites having blacks as slaves. On the main topic, I LOVED last night's episode! It's about time people realized that no one has power unless it's freely given. No need to accept fifth or sixth place! Geez, Pascal saying he wanted John to win over Sean fried me. There are NINE people left, for goodness' sake (there were! Now John is history.) |
Faerygdds | Friday, April 19, 2002 - 09:48 pm     You guys also need to factor in the MB factor... As in... MB has 24 hours of footage from EACH survivor... Let's be very conservative and say that for only 1 of those hours cumulative is dialog... They are on day what??? 24...25... 26....??? And he has used probably a little more than a handful of recial references. Chances are MD has used them ALL in an effort to make it seem like it's a bigger deal than I think it is/was... And frankly.. I thought the whole, "It's a conspiracy!" Rant was hilarious... he knew he got them laughing and was just feeding it after that... |
Seamonkey | Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 12:45 pm     Faery, that might be true, but several of those interviewed, who were THERE 24 hours a day said that Sean was the only one who seemed fixated on race issues. I just think it doesn't contribute to him as far as bonding with anyone, but then that probably isn't his goal anyway (and it IS a competition, not a love-fest). I think Sean will give good interviews when his time comes; his sense of timing is excellent. And yes, Sean has definitely come up with most of the quotable quotes this season.. my favorite still being the one about time and opportunity after they didn't win the food challenge.. Dang, is it only Saturday? I'm ready for the next episode!! |
Grooch | Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 02:01 pm     <<Yes, that would explain things nicely, except that Sean threw in a ROOTS reference, which is specifically about whites having blacks as slaves. >> Well, I've said many times before that my memory sucks. And I honestly don't remember it. But in a way, I am glad my memory sucks. Things and what people say don't bother me as much. What a person is doing today is important, not what they did last week. People do change but get labled with what they did in the past. And in all honesty, a lot of the old Marms said that Sean did have an issue. But I think Gabe said it best when asked about it. He said that he wouldn't say anything and these issues are for Sean to discuss. If Sean felt that things were racist the first few weeks on the Island (not saying that he felt that way) It doesn't mean he feels the same way now. Perceptions change and I think Sean had a good heart and if he he thought or felt certain things, it doesn't mean that he is stagnated in it and hates the world. He is still open to learning. Or maybe I am just a naive. But being naive is a good thing at times. It keeps you from becoming bitter and lets you enjoy a lot more. As Gabe said, it is up to Sean to explain. |
Julieboo | Monday, April 22, 2002 - 07:31 am     I agree with Seamonkey's and Lance's posts. Sean uses and abuses the race card. Every single episode (except maybe, the one before last) he brings up some type of race thing. I am tired of it. ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' And I even though I did laugh at John's exit (and was somewhat embarrassed for him), I think it was kind of mean for some here to delight in it. |
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