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Weinermr

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 11:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Neleh was sincere in her naivete and wonder at being asked along in the reward challenge. Yeah then she rubbed it in later and maybe did irreparable harm to herself - they won't forget - but I think she was being genuine and didn't realize how her behavior was coming across.

Oh my heck! That's just too cute!

Mygetaway

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my heck... I swear I've heard this somehwere else recently.. anyone else? Or is it just Neleh flashbacks from another episode? {LOL}

Joan

Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 11:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I counted. She said it 5 times during dinner alone. lol I do think she was honestly naive but she was shooting herself in the foot IMO. When Sean made fun of the "heck" stuff, I about died laughing.

Spygirl

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 02:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was mentioned in another thread that the phrase is used a lot by Mormons. I have an LDS classmate who confirmed this. In fact, that is how one of my other classmates identified which one was the Mormon on the show because she recognized that the LDS classmate says this a lot. Neleh has used the phrase before, but I believe it was only shown in the first show.

Realtvfan

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 04:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My concern from her comments and her "naivete" is where did Paschal go?

He had half the day on the cruise with her and he doesn't mention to her once during the cruise to go fairly light on the description of the event once they get back to camp.

I can understand her going overboard (no pun intended) telling the others because she is so excited and too immature to think though the ramifications of her comments. Except for the candy comment. That comment by her was just plain completely beyond gross and disgusting. That is not naivete.

But Pascal, where did he go? He takes the time to help her all this time and then does not mention to her to go light on the description to the others. It is almost as if he is setting her up to be voted off later. He must have known about the food situation. He just brought back food from the native's roast 3 days earlier with Sean. Why did he choose not to steal food this time. I have to believe the Survivor crew were ready to have them steal food from the boat. It makes the show more interesting. For crying out loud, this time Pascal had a full knapsack to stick food into this time when he got on the boat and the other tribe members all saw that. Steal even just bread.

He's suppose to be old enough and wise enough by being a judge to know better, or is he. Pascal is the one who gave his word with John. I would lower him in my poll of who I like, but I still can not put him below Sean. But he is getting very very close.

Spygirl

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 06:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So is Pappy responsible for Neleh's actions? Or maybe Neleh isn't responsible for her own because she isn't in her forties or fifties?

Honestly, I don't think Pappy saw anything wrong with her actions in the moment. He was very excited about the event himself. Who knows if he didn't talk about it, too, but we just didn't see the editing from that. Besides, if anyone had a problem with Neleh going on and on about it, they should have told her.

And the candy thing wasn't disgusting. Those people feel like family to each other out there. They bathe together, sleep together, change clothes together, eat together, and stink together. The fact that she offered it from her own mouth isn't what ticked them off, it is that she didn't bring anything else for them to eat.

Now as to why they didn't bring back food -- who knows. Only MB, Neleh, and Pappy know the answer to that. I suspect it wasn't allowed, but we'll see soon in their exit interviews.

Realtvfan

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spygirl,

For me, Pappy is the one who said "Neleh is just like my daughters at home." Although he is not responsible for her actions, he is certainly experienced with Neleh's age level and he has to be aware that his and her fortunes in this game are tied together based on their actions. Pappy was not thinking ahead.

MB made certain that we saw:

a) Pappy's huge knapsack. (I thought about all the food that could be hidden in that knapsack, even before Pappy got on board the boat. Never mind what the other survivors had to be thinking.)

b) the comments by the others that food would be nice when they came back.

c) the details of Neleh gushing about a wonderful meal to the others

d) the lack of food (except for semi-used candy) offered to the others.

e) the general lack of food for everyone in the camp. Including the general lack of a pig to eat. (pun intended)

f) as well as the food "stolen" back from the native's feast inside Pappy's and Sean's pants.

Something tells me MB is letting us know that Pappy and "daughter" made multiple mistakes on the cruise.

Wink

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>And the candy thing wasn't disgusting<<<

Spy I hope you said this with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Twiggyish

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 07:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I about gagged when she said that! She goes on a cruise ship with lots of food, and then brings back a candy.
Hmmm that reminds me of another famous line...
"Let them eat cake" Marie Antionette.

Weinermr

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Neleh was deliberately mocking anyone when she offered a group of starving tired people a half-chewed mint - but she was pretty clearly not thinking about what it meant from their point of view.

Being in my "benefit of the doubt" mode, I am thinking that Paschal and Neleh were prevented from bringing food back. Neither one is so stupid as to not know everyone would be expecting them to bring something back if they could.

As to the idea that Paschal should have done something to prevent Neleh from going on as she did - Neleh is young, but she is a grownup, and she is responsible for her own actions. And as Spy says, we only see what the editing lets us see - Paschal could have been twice as offensive as Neleh and if they wanted to edit it all out they could have.

I still think all her Oh My Hecks were cute. That's just the way I see it.

Juju2bigdog

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I am glad to see I am not the only person in the world who thinks the mint thing was sweet. Obviously she felt that had the situations been reversed, she would have grabbed the "used" mint in a heartbeat.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'll take "oh my heck" over the continual use of "dude" on AR, or "whatever" and "been there; done that".

The "dude" thing by the two bouncers and Will calling everyone that (including Tara) makes me think they are all in a frat, dressed in the same dockers and sports shirts, with the same hair cuts, all drinking Coronas, and calling each other dude because they can't gather up a single original thought on their own. They all need to be called duds.

Seamonkey

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think she was that out of line.. Naive for sure. Especially naive to not realize that she couldn't bubble about the reward because of playing the game.

I don't think Paschal was out of line either.

I also didn't think the mint thing was all that big of a deal.

She gets jumped on for this but people love sean and rob despite some really nasty statements just because they are charming.. seems out of proportion to me.

Weinermr

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But Lance, that's the way (some) people talk these days. Men call men "dude", men call women "dude", women call men "dude", women call women "dude".

It's the same concept as people saying everything is "basically" this or that. People using the word "actually" over and over again. People saying "no problem" instead of "your welcome".

The speech patterns of America and the world. Listen to the TV, movies, go to the mall. It's how people talk.

SAMPLE CONVERSATION

1 - Hey thanks dude.
2 - No problem.

Instead of -

1 - Thank you sir.
2 - You're welcome.

Different era, different words. I'm not saying it's right or wrong - that's a matter of personal opinion. I don't happen to talk that way. Many people I work with do. Educated people. Attorneys. CPA's. Professional people. They talk that way and see nothing wrong with it. Yes, I'll admit it annoys me - but I have my own speech "quirks" I'm sure.

Seamonkey

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think food from someone's pants (and remember they hadn't bathed in ages) is every bit as disgusting..

Seamonkey

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well if it is "in" now it is totally retro..
My little brother was calling everyone and everything "Dude" in the late sixties.. in fact I had a black cat named DUDE back then because of that..

And just becaused something is used or overused doesn't make it stimulating to hear.

Weinermr

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<And just becaused something is used or overused doesn't make it stimulating to hear>

I agree. And quite the opposite it can become quite annoying to hear it over and over. If I had a penny for each "basically", "actually", "no problem", and "dude" I hear every day, I could retire. (and don't forget "you know what")

In fact, start perusing the posts here at TVCH. You'll find a truckload of basically's and actually's.

Squaredsc

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think neleh's offer of the mint out of her mouth wasn't meant to be disgusting, i am sure she didn't mean anything by it, unless she is the little coniver and we haven't been shown that yet. i never trust the sickingly sweet people, jmo. but i personally wouldn't want anyone to offer me something out of there mouth, even if we are blood related, especially to share one mint with 5 other people. if we were in the "real world" and i am starving and you went and had a feast but offer me a mint out of your mouth, please, they would have had to pull me off her. but this is just my thoughts. 1

oh and the oh my heck....hated that, got sick of hearing it, have no real reason why, just sounded phony to me.

Fruitbat

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spy, I agree with you.

Wink

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here pass these around. None are pre-chewed.

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Seamonkey

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know I overuse some phrases when writing online.

"Oh my heck" is kinda like when my grandmother would say "Land's sake!"

Seamonkey

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
But Wiiiink!! I wanted creme brulee!!!

Lancecrossfire

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 09:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my heck I'm sure replaces one of my favorites--OMG.

Now I have to smack myself for saying it.

they could have pocketed the dish of wrapped candies they showed when P/N first walked into their cabin and later distributed them to the folks back at the beach. It would have been a bit cleaner than stuffing some potatoes in their pockets and fiving those out later.

Weinermr

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd prefer the pocket potatoes to the pre-chewed Marquesas mints. Or even some of that used creme brulee

Wink

Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here ya go Seamonkey. The strawberries are an extra treat.

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