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Seamonkey

Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Aware!! Right now I have Kathy to go but I've been rethinking that one all week.

Llkoolaid

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 04:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Aware, it is amazing how much information you pick up.

Car54

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 04:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Aware, thanks so much...a number of the super-spoilers have kind of pooped out on posting, but I really get a lot out of your analysis.

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow Aware--that is great! Hopefully we will get to see more of how she is involved in the game. I think she and Kathy have some interesting times ahead--or so MB wants us to think.

Twiggyish

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With my super spoiler, Pappy, he just looks tired and worn out. There isn't much to say.
If anything exciting happens, I'll post it. (I should have picked someone exciting.>LOL)

Aware, good analysis. I agree with you about Sean. John the Terminator doesn't like him.

Awareinva

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Squaredsc, as far as I know Zoe has never had a confessional. I don't know that Vee has had one either (she may have had one all season). Maybe Zoe just never says anything interesting, but I can't believe that the camera people weren't really bugging her to give some comments about the confrontation with Rob in front of Kathy. For some reason, Mark B chose not to use any of her comments. Either they:
1. give something away (Zoe really lied to Kathy and is firmly with J,T, G OR Zoe didn't want to spill the plan to elimnate Rob and Sean in front of him- the second is the one I like best since it would give us some hope of avoiding the Pagonging to come!), or
2. Zoe is just not talking to the camera, or
3. she is really really boring tv!!! :)

Almost all the confessionals this episode were Kathy and Rob (Tammy, Sean, and the General had one each, don't recall anyone else this episode).
One reason I went with Kathy for boot- her story seems to be done, but that may be her editing.....I always fall for it! The winner is the underdog who came back from unbelievable odds is not a bad storyline, and we haven't really seen that one yet in Survivor. I am thinking Kathy could win more and more, if she wises up and organizes the others!!!

Tess

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Vee had a few confessionals the first 2 or 3 episodes but just a very few. I've never seen a "Zoe Confessional" and they've shown her speaking to others very rarely. I thought when reading her biography before the show started that she might be fairly reticent. I'm not sure what MB is doing with her but it is very difficult for viewers to care at all about someome when they are not given a chance to get to know that person.

Lilliegirl

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 05:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Aware, I think Zoe will stck with the men and im going to pick Cathy off, at first I thought she was just a weinner but now I dont know what to think but I think she will cause more problems by trying to find out they were going to vote her off. They dont like there secrets told and Rob took care of that.

Gina8642

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the summary Aware. That's alot of work, and much appreciated.

Zoe has one 'confessionsl' in Ep. 1 on the CBS website. It was pretty boring and not informative. She was pretty awkward with the camera. But, it seems to me, they would have done lots of camera test prior to casting her. She should be able to give an ok interview.

Maybe she refuses to give confessionals? Like when she told Rob her vote was none of his business. Maybe she tells the cameramen/interviewers the same thing? That would be kinda funny.

Moondance

Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great Summary once again! Thanks Aware!:)

Squaredsc

Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ok thanks, i thought she didn't have one and the one she had i missed. maybe she will talk more tonite.

Nanya

Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanx, Aware!
Your insight really helps me be a better watcher and the show even more interesting.

Spear

Friday, April 19, 2002 - 01:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gina, I was thinking about the same thing. Tonight, they didn't show Zoe holding up her vote. I don't know if they did that to hide the fact that she voted for John but if I recall correctly, there was a previous episode where Zoe didn't show her vote, too. Okay -- I'm thinking there's a producer behind the camera who's watching how the voting is going so that they can arrange the order the votes are revealed. That producer is probably reminding the survivors to hold up their vote and to explain why they voted that way, right? And they can reshoot if the voter just forgets to follow "procedure". If so, Zoe must really be doing whatever she feels like doing if they can't make her show her vote, not to mention give confessionals.

Or maybe I am just speculating too much.

Awareinva

Monday, April 22, 2002 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Episode 8 Zoe finally got a confessional. Yay! I am going to put in some conversations that Zoe wasn't in but they mention her, or just some that gave some insight into the power switch.

Night 21
Everyone in the shelter. Neleh asks if the last couple of nights have been cold for you guys. Zoe says Yes. Shot of her lying on her back in the shelter, rubs her nose and hands.

Voiceover Zoe- After Tribal Council with Rob being gone, the mood around here is so totally different. (Shots of the survivors sleeping the the shelter). It's so much more relaxed and peaceful, you know. (Shot of Sean entering and sitting on the ground in the shelter.) There isn't a treat that some wiseass remark is gonna be made and set off a whole new fight, going on for no good reason. (Actually finally a confessional shot of Zoe as she says "wiseass remarks"!) Final shot of Sean taking off his socks...then cut to discussion of Sean's gaseous emissions .

Day 22
Kathy and Zoe sitting on a rocky area side by side talking.
Kathy- We have to go over what happened yesterday. I was just confused about if there was an original alliance to vote me off when I first came here. I just wanted to know about it.
Zoe- Definitely not, Kathy. (Zoe in baseball hat, hair braided, black bra, shorts, buff around neck, cross earrings, necklaces)
Kathy (wearing sunglasses)- Ok, but was there one formed just to get Rob in a different position?
Zoe-That was my intention. That's what I tried to express yesterday (now a shot of Kathy without sunglasses, back of Zoe's head). There was never any mention of voting you off, no way in hell, we wanted to get Rotu back together.
Zoe keeps talking but we get a voice over of Kathy- Zoe just lied to me point blank. The tribe had definitely scoped me out for the first vote off after the merge. I think Zoe's been lying to me again, and I think she's been playing both sides. I just can't take that.
Kathy(to Zoe origninal scene, no sunglasses)-Whoever wins wins, but I don't want to be a pawn, ya know?
Zoe-Right, right.
Kathy- So I'll fight tooth and nail to find out what's going on, but not to the point where I upset my friendships.
Zoe- Well, I think....
Kathy-I don't want to upset my friendships with people.
Zoe- I don't either.
Kathy Voiceover- I was going to push her further, but decided for good negotiations, not to get voted off. I wanted her to feel a little guilty. I think I did that.
Shot of Zoe and Kathy holding hands.
Kathy- Look I'm just happy that we got to do this, and once Sean is voted off then we'll deal with what we're doing with each other, ok?
Zoe- Ok
Kathy- Thanks, Sweetie.

Waterfall visit, tree mail- no sign of Zoe
After the tree mail, a shot of Zoe sitting crosslegged lashing sticks together, yellow fabric in her lap, making kite.
Kathy to Pappy- I talked to Zoe today and I just point blank ansked her 'Did you guys ever consider voting me off?' and she said no.
Pappy-Well, that's true. They didn't. Dont get all this negative stuff.
Shot of Zoe making a rectangular kite.
Kathy- If I'm used as a pawn for them to get to the top, and I'm on the jury and have to vote for them, and they took me and ....
Pappy- We'll find out.
Kathy- yeah, but they're gonna use us to get to the top.
Pappy- So?

Day 23
Reward Challenge- lined up Pappy, John, Neleh, Tammy, Robert, Sean, Kathy, Vee, Zoe

Jeff P. shows the Snickers bar, and says it's a big one. Zoe says Oh yeah. Zoe gets the first bite, playfully tries to bite Jeff's fingers. Closes her eyes and says Oh man as she eats the bite of candy. Jeff feeds the candy bites to Zoe and Vee, everyone else helps themselves off the napkin and puts it in their own mouth.

Zoe gets her kite up at the same time as Kathy. Jeff P. says Thata way Zoe. Zoe shown with her kite crashing. When Kathy wins, Zoe is rolling the string up from her kite on the ground. Zoe watching as John hugs Kathy.

Note: we don't see Zoe again until the next day getting ready for immunity challenge. She is not shown at all during all the alliance discussions.

Shot of Neleh, John and Tammy walking in the trees. Neleh walks past Tammy and goes on ahead as Tammy says- we've got our three people. The thing is we need to go into every tribal council knowing who we are voting off and who we are going with as a backup person. John says ok sounds good. Tammy saying that she Pappy, Neleh, Robert, John, and Zoe have decided to vote the same the next three votes, Sean is the first one.
This must be the wake up call to Neleh- they are definitely targeting Kathy with the "3" people and maybe this made her start listening to Kathy.

Pappy talking to John--- Pappy said "I'm not forming an alliance with Sean and Vee." THAT is what he gave John his word on. Not that he was suppporting John for the win (that was what John thought). I think this phrase is key to Pappy's thinking- AND it explains Zoe's vote for John.... Pappy didn't want to ally with Sean and Vee. I think he set up a firm alliance with Zoe, Neleh and himself. They always seemed close before the split- lots of silent communication. This is the group that will challenge Vee, Sean and Kathy at F6 (maybe even F7 if you believe the Sean is out at 7 spoiler). But they saw the wisdom of getting John out and breaking up the numbers at 9. Pappy is not in any way shape or form allying with Sean, it just was convenient that they all voted the same way. After booting Tammy, they may go for Sean at 7 to avoid the tie vote at 6 people left. Da*n, thought of this after I switched Tammy for Sean at my Surviiival team. :(

Day 24
Tree Mail, Zoe in a blue bikini top, shorts, talking to Vee after Sean reads the mail.

Immunity Challenge: lined up John, Kathy, Vee, Robert, Pappy, Zoe, Tammy, Sean, Neleh

Zoe has her hair down, buff as a headband, blue bikini top, dark long sleeve shirt tied under breasts.

I'll just recap who cuts who in the challenge and what few comments were heard
Sean takes out John. Zoe says Good form, man, good form. Tammy cuts Sean, Robert cuts Sean. Next round, Sean cuts John, John takes Sean out. Vee does Kathy, Neleh does Vee. Zoe does Vee. She says something to Sean like Three strikes, Junior when he says it's a conspiracy.

Next, John cuts Neleh, Tammy does Kathy, Pappy takes Vee out of the game. Zoe laughs loudly as Sean says he's calling Johnny Cochran. Robert takes Kathy out. Zoe cuts Pappy. Pappy cuts Zoe. Zoe says ow, then high fives Pappy and says Yeah. Zoe cuts Pappy, as she comes back over she asks Pappy what did you say? Pappy- I said that was ugly of you. They hug. Robert cuts John. John takes Pappy out. Zoe says you guys are cooking tonight not sure what this meant?? Neleh cuts Tammy. Jeff P says Robert has all three left; Zoe, Neleh, and Tammy have 2 left.

Robert cuts Zoe, who says ow. Tammy takes Zoe out. Zoe - Oh good, I needed a rest. I'll remember, don't worry. Neleh cut Robert. Next go, Robert takes Neleh. Tammy takes Neleh out, saying payback. They must not have shown them each getting one right and cutting each other because Jeff P says they each have one left. Then Tammy takes Robert out.

Order out and "votes against"

Sean- Tammy, Robert, John
Vee- Zoe, Neleh, Paschal
Kathy- Vee, Robert, Tammy
John- Sean, Sean, Robert
Paschal- Zoe, Zoe, John
Zoe- Paschal, Tammy, Robert
Neleh- John, Robert, Tammy
Robert- Neleh, Tammy, Tammy
Tammy- Neleh, Robert

Zoe seemed really trying to bond with Sean at this point. She was commenting on all his carrying on, she laughs hard at all his jokes. Just seemed to be something we weren't shown before.

Back at camp, Zoe, John, Robert talking. Zoe says to John, I was almost going to do you because I hated to do Paschal another time. Robert says It didn't seem to bother you too much.

Zoe doesn't make any comment at tribal council, not really shown. Focus a lot on Sean, Pappy and Neleh, Tammy and John.

Preview
Zoe shown walking on stilts.

The announcer says Dont miss the biggest power shift in Survivor history.

The words POWER SHIFT are over Paschal, Tammy and Robert arms around each other are behind him, Tammy wearing the Immunity necklace, Zoe and Neleh are behind him. All look to be in bathing suits. Going to the immunity challenge?

Sean in the waterfall with the words POWER SHIFT across him, he holds up a peace sign.

Circle with Sean, Pappy, Vee, and Neleh, Kathy beside them bent over. Vee and Neleh are hugging.
Shot of Robert and Tammy (no necklace) dressed as above shot in bathing suits, closeup of Tammy with serious look. Neleh says in confessional Beat em at their own game- hilarious.

Announcer: And the most unpredictable survivor episode yet.

Shot of all running on the beach toward the water, Robert, Kathy in foreground in front, Sean in the center out in front of the group. Tammy in the middle appears to stop and look or point back up the beach.

The word UNPREDICTABLE across the screen, see a helicopter flying in front of the mountains.

Tribal people playing the drum.

Pappy and Kathy smiling, Zoe beside them.

Neleh and Zoe breaking coconuts in a circle. A tube of some kind beside them in the sand. Sean in the background pouring something (milk into a similar tube?) out of a cocount. Jeff in the background.

Sean swimming and for a man who is professed not to know how to swim he is doing a respectable crawl- has he been stringing us along with this I am bad in the water stuff?? Robert also shown swimming.

Zoe going down a string from a float to the bottom of the water. She is wearing a maroon bathing suit.

Shot of Pappy saying You never know what's going to happen.

Dancers on the beach in frond and grass type outfits.

One dancer alone in black bikini top, black bike shorts, lots of white necklaces, white feater boa type things tied at waist. Long dark hair. This person looks out of place. It is a thin woman... gut feeling is it is a survivor in costume and wig dancing. Maybe this is what causes the tears- laughter at their trying to copy the dances. If it is one of them it can only be Tammy or Neleh from the body shape. Does Tammy have black bike shorts, does Neleh? This may just be someone part of the dance, but they don't fit with the rest of the shots.

Impressions: Definitely got that Pappy didn't lie to John, he just isn't allied with Sean and Vee. I think stilt walking will be immunity.... only shot shown was Zoe- does she win?

Reward seemed to be a relay type race in pairs- Neleh and Zoe, Robert and Kathy, Tammy and Vee, leaving Sean and Pappy. Two Peas in a Pod- I am going with SweetPea and Warrior Princess (Zoe) to win.

I think Zoe could be more firmly allied with the new powers than it seems. Pappy probably was instrumental in getting her with them. Don't know if she and Kathy weren't talking about this in the Rock scene.... they did say they would deal with their relationship after Sean went. Kathy is really concerned with Zoe, you don't worry that much about someone unless you are in some kind of relationship with them....we don't see her worrying if Tammy or John lied to her. I think the bond may be tighter than it seems.

Firebird05

Monday, April 22, 2002 - 02:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Terrific superspoiling Awareinva!!! You sure got alot more out of the previews than I did. I have to vote soon but can't decide between Tammy and Robert to go out. With all the "most unpredictable ever" stuff being said I am now thinking Tammy is too obvious so maybe I'll go with Robert this time.

I thought for awhile it might be Zoe since she did whack Paschal's nuts twice and becauce of the fight with Kathy but after reading your post I think it's definitly not her.

Awareinva

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
dancer picture

This one is really bugging me. I just feel like it is one of the Survivors, a guest in hiding (John?), someone visiting.... just seems out of place. Anyone got any guesses? I'm thinking that it explains the Survivors being brought to tears in the CBS riddle.

Sorry, I can't figure out how to post the image so a link will have to do until some (Moon, Car???) can do it for me.

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Awareinva

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Moon!!! You are the message board angel!!!

Slinking away feeling inadequate- I tried for about an hour and couldn't figure out how to do that.....grumble, grumble

Car54

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is Howard Stern.

Whoami

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
EEWWW! I hope not Car! Howard Stern makes me sick!

Moondance

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL... it's easier than you think!

first what ever image you want from the web ... right click your mouse (not sure what PC does) and download the image to your disk then do...

\image{your pix}

will look like this

1

then post... it will ask you to upload your image and go from there... chose your image and complete the post... hope that makes sense:)

Awareinva

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Car- funny you should say that.... in looking at it, I have almost convinced myself it is a man in a costume! Not that I think it's Howard Stern!!LOL

It was the last clip in the preview and I think it means something....it wasn't with the other dancer sequences. Probably nothing, but I can't stop wondering about it.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 11:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Aware, thanks. That was great. Reading all the promo stuff again is making me think it cannot possibly be Tammy or Robert. They are the obvious. Or MB could just be still going with the surprize shift that happened last week. Certainly neither of these choices is unpredictable!

Car54

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Look closer". Maybe it is Jeff in a sarong.

Whoami

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm thinking it's a man too. The arms look a bit thin, but the hands look a bit masculine.

Don't know about Jeff (you mean Probst?). Somehow I don't see him doing that.

Awareinva

Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Moon. I had it right all along.... Never tried to post because I wasn't seeing my image just that "Your image here" thing when it gave me the preview!!! Argh!!!!! Now you tell me all I had to do was post the thing and it would ask me for my information!!!

I kept trying all kinds of things because I read that it would ask me information on uploading my image-- the directions just didn't think to tell me they would ask AFTER I posted!!! LOL

Thanks.... now I know how to do it anyway.