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Amac

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 05:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Starting with Kathy's immunity win tonight, anyone who wins immunity "owns" that immunity and can choose to keep it or bestow it upon another tribe member.

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and obviously Kathy wouldn't give it up, no way, nohow!

Kizz

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It could have been so dramatic had she given it to Rob...but can we think of a scenario that would have anyone giving it up?

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Clarence gave it up and Tina did.. by being down to two and letting the other win immunity..

Tksoard

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's what I was thinking Kizz!! Who in their right mind would give it up? Unless you want to go.

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone who was very confident in alliance and wanted to protect an ally..

Cliotheleo

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I can think of scenarios, but not one that wouldn't then the put the giver in danger of being voted off for protecting the giv-ee.

For example, let's say Kathy's in danger and Pappy has immunity. Well, no one's gonna vote him off and he knows it so he let's Kathy have his immunity. Does that not cast him in a bad light for the rest of the game? Would they think of him as a "turn coat" and then his chances of getting voted out would be increased?

I don't see anyone giving up their immunity. It's a dumb idea all around. Just like when ..... oh, .......... what's his name (I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THESE PEOPLE'S NAMES!!!) let T-Bird win the immunity challenge last season. He probably could have beaten her, but he CHOSE to let her win, and he was voted off that night.

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clarence :)

Teatime

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like this new rule! Just adds another dimension to the game and I can't wait to see how the survivors react when one person decides to bestow immunity on another.

Turns out Kathy didn't need immunity, but she was convinced she better hold onto the necklace tonight. So good enough for her. But why didn't she just go "Nope, I wanna keep it myself cuz I worked hard for it" or something dopey like that.
These people dig their own graves when they can't stop lecturing the rest of their tribe.

Cliotheleo

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ah ha! Thank you!

....... and you'll forgive me for venting for a moment. I can't believe how STUPID Rob was for being so cocky on the immunity rafts. That's what lost the game for him (well one of the things.) He had the strength to beat Kathy and John and could possibly have won immunity for himself. ......... Y'all have been saying how dumb he was for some time haven't you? As much as I like him, I'm afraid I have to agree now. Grrrrr!

Knightpatti

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think we will see anyone give it up. At this point of the game which they prove tonight you can trust no one. How do you know that Kathy did not need it? I think that she did.

Egbok

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 07:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just watching Extra and they had MB on. He said to expect the unexpected and that there would be lots of twists and turns.

Hippyt

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 07:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Knightpatti,Kathy did need immunity tonight!!!

Gina8642

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 08:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like that they are trying to throw twists in, but now that previous votes don't count, I don't think this will make a difference.

If you have immunity and are in an alliance that has numeric superiority then:

-you don't need to give it up to anyone in your alliance - they cannot be voted out anyhow.
-you don't want to give it to the minorority alliance because then your alliances choices are more limited.

If you have immunity and are in an alliance that does not have numeric superiority then:

-you don't want to give it up to anyone in your alliance - you will be voted out instead (I think Kathy risked that big time in Ep.7.)
-you don't want to give it to anyone in the majority alliance because then your alliances is a sitting duck.

The only way I see this really playing out in anyway is maybe buying a vote in the final vote. Maybe there it could make a difference. Each episode further a player makes it to is worth many thousands more in winnings.

If you know you are already going to lose, and someone offers to take you further to buy your final vote (by letting you remain for another episode).
That may change stuff...

Yeah, it really could - because that 'buying' may piss off the person in your alliance who thought they'd be final two with you....

Ok, I just talked my way out of my first position....

Hippyt

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 08:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes You did Gina,LOL...

Ketchuplover

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Why couldn't the immunity be up for sale?

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Plus, this group seems VERY shattered at least for now. Without Rob, one might think it would settle down but he primed Kathy's pump.. she seems to believe him and not people she formerly trusted.. I never heard Zoe say she was planning to vote Kathy out first.

JOHN did say that "they" would vote out old Rotu before old Maraamu.. but Rob kept homing in on Zoe.

And I looked hard but I didn't see anything "evil" in Zoe tonight.. she isn't cutesy-poo and she doesn't like being yelled at by Rob and confronted but never believed by Kathy.. Tammy is quiet but has no intention of protecting anyone else and frankly that is where the game is at.

Sean is vulnerable unless he can win immunity but he's dug himself a big, big hole by flipping out..

will be interesting to see what Neleh and Paschal can come up with next time.

I was disappointed that Kathy was SO vulnerable to Rob's charms.. she knew enough to question why he wanted her to be on his side so bad and then bought it hook line and sinker and she does NOT know when to stop talking.

I also thought it was ironic that she complained about people being huggy and kissy and nice but they were planning to vote someone out.. well DUH.. that happens with each tribal council, Kathy and you were nice to Gina (well, hmm maybe she wasn't?) and then voted her out but said you were sorry.

Oh well.. now we have to wait.. for Rob (who did look mighty cute in his goodbye tonight) and his interviews, for deadpool and surviivor to open up with our results, to guess and freak and such, for acme, for next week, eeek!

One last salute to kathy for tonight: roach

Moondance

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 09:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Sea ... actually with everything in your post!

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Moonie :)

And all of you who think Zoe is so evil.. well
feature THIS:

md

Moondance

Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL!

Yeah what Sea said!(or what she uploaded)

Awareinva

Friday, April 12, 2002 - 06:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a question. Why do you think JeffP waited until they were sitting at the tribal council before he announced that immunity was transferable? From now on the survivor who wins will have a day to trade favors, make deals, think about the situation, etc. There was no reason that they couldn't have made the announcement on the challenge beach after Kathy won...or even before the event so they all knew what was truly at stake.

I am thinking there was some reason they didn't want Kathy (or whoever won the immunity at this point in the game) to have the time to make deals, etc. I am thinking there was some potential shift that could have happened that Mark B. didn't want to happen....maybe if we can think of what it was it will give us a clue to the endgame he is designing.

Was it so Rob wouldn't manage to convince her to give it up? This is the big shift that I see, Kathy gives it up to Rob. But then John's crew would have eliminated Kathy, wouldn't they? If she was firmly in the old Moo camp by showing that kind of alliance? So is Mark B. protecting Kathy? Is she the one? OMG, Webkitty is right-- Kathy will actually win!!! The focus really has been on John/Kathy since the first episode.... this could be possible.

Quick someone give me a better alternative....

I agree totally with what Car said in another thread...the spoiling really isn't about figuring out the Survivors game, it's figuring out Mark B.'s game!!!

Wink

Friday, April 12, 2002 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kathy winning would be fine with me. You may be on to something Aware. Especially if she can dump John the putz in the process. She has been annoying, funny, dopey, and even endearing at different times. I have gone from finding her very distasteful to quite liking her.

Awareinva

Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Still waiting for a better alternative to protecting Kathy for the WIN...although I like her a lot better than at the beginning (da*n Mark B. that master manipulator- I hate falling for his editing!)

Help me see a different reason for the delay in telling about being able to give away immunity, Please! Anyone???

Spunky

Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 03:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it's fair to give that option to the winner. He/she worked really hard to get the immunity and she/he should keep it.

Moondance

Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fair?... they have a choice to keep it so fair really isn't in the equation.