Archive through November 26, 2001

The ClubHouse: Archives: TVCH Alliance #2 Plotting & Planning Thread: Archive through November 26, 2001

Tksoard

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 09:29 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks Car!! That is VERY interesting!!

Car54

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 05:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, I am totally screwed this week, but you know what, I don't really care. This was an excellent show. I can't believe how much of these people we don't get to see until MB is ready!

Spygirl

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, it seems that Elipsis is more wrong than most people thought possible!!! hahaha

Llkoolaid

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:44 pm Click here to edit this post
Well all my theories just went out the window with Clarence leaving. Where were Frank and Theresa's brains when they didn't align with him, now they have to do it with the mallrats which might be ok if they can get that sneaky Kelly over to their side, I think she is the only one that will betray the old Boran

Car54

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:54 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't think anyone could have predicted this with the merge totally uncertain until we saw the E preview today.
Everyone was thinking about the 2 teams.
Lets see: who can we count on:

Teresa, Brandon, KimP

Lex, Tom,
Ethan, KimJ

totally unsure-
Kelly, Frank

Oh, if it went like that and Kelly went with the Samburu, then FRANK would be the swing vote!!!

But then again, I think KimJ and Ethan are possibly not happy with Lex.... oh this is so complicated!

Car54

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 04:11 am Click here to edit this post
OK- next week is the recap show- so we have 2 weeks to figure this out.
Here are the clues about the next episode from the CBS site:
- A brooding Lex is determined to smoke out the "rat" who voted against but first he must figure out who the "rat" is. Will he identify this person?
-The winner of the reward challenge and a tribemate of their choice get to visit a village and barter two goats for whatever they can get.
-The original Samburu work to pull over an original Boran to their side; the Boran tribe member shows an interest.

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:54 am Click here to edit this post
It should be obvious to Lex that it was T that voted for him. She made a deal with Clarence during IC right before his eyes.

Foolish of him not to take the high road and announce that he realizes it is a game. Does he think he is immune to getting votes? I was surprized and dissapointed to see his attitude.

I see only 2 ways that this could go. Origninal teams stay together and Boran picks off Samburu. OR Samburu gets Kelly and they pick off Lex, Tom and Ethan.

I suspect we will get the same old formula of shows past. Boran will pick off Samburu starting with Frank.

Car54

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 07:24 am Click here to edit this post
I just read a summary of Clarence on the Early show, and he felt he was to some degree allied with Kelly, so she may indeed leap to Boran!

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 07:55 am Click here to edit this post
cool

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 07:56 am Click here to edit this post
you mean Samburu. :)

Car54

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 03:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Yep! I think so anyway... she has been both boran and samburu and now is Mr Moto or whatever...
this is tooo hard!

Weinermr

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 03:57 pm Click here to edit this post
Too bad the new tribe isn't Morimoto. Go Iron Chefs!

Car54

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 05:49 am Click here to edit this post
For those who can't wait, I found some early pretty good summaries on another board for the next Survivor Insider.
insider

<so sorry-trying to learn to do a link- still can't get it to work)

Car54

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 06:03 am Click here to edit this post
I tried to link, didn't work-here is the address:
http//pub53.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=12089.topic

Sorry.

Fruitbat

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 06:07 am Click here to edit this post
I am thinking:

OUT:
Frank, Theresa or Lex depending on T's ability to get Kelly in her alliance.

It all rests on Kelly. Difficult decision. She will forever lose the rapport she has with Boran. But she gains a better chance of winning. Does she want to align with Frank, Brandon and KimP? Nope.

She will stay with Boran and I think they will vote for the largest IC threat and that would be Frank or Theresa. They like T more so will go for Frank.

I am going to say Frank out. If he wins IC, Theresa will go.

Car54

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 03:46 pm Click here to edit this post
Just wanted to let you know I saw some vid caps and it looks like the next RC is 2 tribe members visiting a real Samburu village (looks like maybe Ethan and Kimp)they have to barter 2 goats for whatever they can get.

I read somewhere that Jeff said in an interview that this encounter ends up helping them in the end. Wonder what that is about.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 06:23 am Click here to edit this post
'Helping them in the end' could mean after the wrap. They travel to this village and reap some benefits. <doesn't sound right>

Could mean that they did such a good job that jurors or players take that into consideration during a vote. <never>

or....they gained some knowlege or skill to win a challenge. <maybe but probably not>

or.....they bond and end up in an alliance together at some point down the line and this saves them. <very very likely>

or......Jeff is just giving misleading information. <wouldn't put it past him>

Facts that may give clues.

1. Carl shared a bed with Theresa.
2. Silas is in touch with everyone except Lex.
3. Possibly Ethan and KimP bond and align somewhere down the road and save each other.
4. We have seen T trying to get an alliance together, both Kelly and KimJ expressing distaste with Lex dictating who to vote out.

5. What we don't expect will happen. They are experts with the editing now.

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1. Theresa stays a long time or there would be a bed available if she left soon.

2. Lex could be the winner or out this week, giving Silas plenty of time to butt heads with him waiting for the conclusion. Since Silas spent very little time with him on the show <6 days I think> I say there is a strong possibility that Lex is off fairly soon.

3. This will not come into play this week.

4. They are steering us to believe Lex is in danger so he will be safe this week. They would never telegraph the outcome.

5. We can be sure that they are keeping some info from us as they did with Tina and Colby. There is very likely a sub alliance or 2 that we are not being show. Theresa, Kelly and KimJ?


If Boran stays together a Samburu goes. Frank and Theresa are the IC threats. Frank will go. Why vote off the one they get along with more? And Tom really really likes her.

If the wildly speculated new division happens, Lex is the mark. He is a likely candidate for IC since I assume he stays and we know some want him off. Tom would be next on the hit list and with his votes there is a high probability he will go.

Endurance was last IC, so this week it could be a fire thing, game, or a race against time deal.

I am leaning for Tom off, Lex IC.

OR Frank off.

All rests with Kelly and/or KimJ joining Theresa, Kim and Brandon.

Grooch

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 06:55 am Click here to edit this post
Fruitbat, I don't think Silas and Lex spent any time togther at all.

They each switched sides and Silas was gone before the merge.

Clarence left and probaly hooked up with Silas and bad mouthed him and blamed Lex for Silas being voted off.

But that could also mean that Lex will be there for quite a while too.

The Carl and Theresa sharing a bed, thing. Was that a slip-up or a deliberate red herring? MB did send out fake things last year.

I am going with Kelly starting up her own alliance (KimP, KimJ, Theresa and Brandon.) Frank joining the alliance depends on who he has given his word to.

Micknrc

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 07:42 am Click here to edit this post
okay, I know this is "let's all poke lex with a sharp pointy stick week," but how could Silas' being voted off be Lex's fault?

jus sayin

But Grooch is right MsBat--
Silas and Lex spent no time together at all...could mean that Silas never got to know him because lex goes far...
OR
EMB is feeding voted-offs red herrings to "slip" on in their interviews...
I used to think that was too far-fetched, but it's starting to look more and more likely, when you start adding up all the mis-information we keep obsessing over.
That EMB is laughing at us right now, I'll wager.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 07:56 am Click here to edit this post
Of course, you are right. What was I thinking! Could go either way, no contact or no rapport.

If Lex remains for a long time then it does not look good for this new alliance that is brewing. They have the numbers to wipe him out unless he wins many IC's in a row.

I think the sharing a bed comment was deliberate. They are told not to say anything that would reveal crucial info. In fact during the first Survivor, anyway, they were accompanied to interviews by staff. MB said during the second that production would deliberately donate to the rumor machine.


Since they are building a case for Lex being out this week, I don't think he will go which means he wins IC. He is certainly the target.

This all really rests on Kelly.

Grooch

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:04 am Click here to edit this post
<<but how could Silas' being voted off be Lex's fault?>>

Oops! Egg on my face. I don't know why I thought that.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:14 am Click here to edit this post
>>>>okay, I know this is "let's all poke lex with a sharp pointy stick week," <<<<<

Very funny, Mick!

Am I the only one that does not particulary like Frank? I don't hate him. Just don't find him compelling. I just can't be alone in this, can I?

So Grooch who are you voting for?

Ophiliasgrandma

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 08:54 am Click here to edit this post
I just love it when they 'cop' an atitude...'I'm going to find the dirty rat that voted for me'. That reminds me of a certain little missy, and I quote, 'Nobody messes with Lindsay'. The tougher they are (in their own mind), the harder they fall.

Kep421

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 09:11 am Click here to edit this post
Grooch, I thought you actually meant Clarence when you typed Silas, because you were thinking that Silas, based on what Clarence told him, blamed Lex for voting Clarence off.

So I took liberties and read your sentence as:

"Clarence left and probaly hooked up with Silas and bad mouthed (Lex) and (Silas) blamed Lex for (Clarence) being voted off."

Was I wrong? Did you really mean to type Silas? Was anybody able to follow my wild mind meanderings? Oh man, my head hurts....

Fruitbat

Monday, November 26, 2001 - 09:13 am Click here to edit this post
Kep, Grooch is totally guilty of meatball thinking. It is far too late to save her now.