Alliances

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Aaronl5

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 09:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok who is in an alliance with who and which are the strongest?

Right now i see Frank and Teresa together. Brandon and Kim. And those four never together. But which Boran are more together which each other? Clarence seems more on the outs.

Judy

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 03:46 pm Click here to edit this post
Ethan & Mamakim are def looking out for each other- though not sure if it's an alliance.
I think Lex & Tom are the same.

Kelly is hard to read...but I think she is loyal to Ethan & Mamakim. She tells Clarence that she is loyal to him...but she ain't!

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 03:53 pm Click here to edit this post
Judy, I go along with what you say. I also think at one point Tom and Clarence may have been heading for one, but with the split it's on hold.

I look for Frank to get closer with Ethan, not Clarence. That leaves Clarence out in the cold till merger. Even then, he will be. I see Frank and Tom forming an alliance of some sorts once merging takes place. They are a lot alike I terms of approach to work, family and life in general.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Thought I would bump this up, does anyone have a guess at what the new aliances might be other than old Boran against old Samburu?

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:41 am Click here to edit this post
Samburu sure missed a great opportunity to get Kelly and vote Lex off.

We see Theresa starting to get an alliance together. As far as original teams:

T, Frank, Brandon, Kim.....vs

Tom, Ethan, Lex, KimJ, Kelly.

It is safest for Boran to stick together, not mess with an established alliance and pick off Samburu. I suspect this will happen and we will see a repeat of the the previous shows.

However if the individuals really look at the situation they should regroup. It is time to eliminate the strong ones and fast.

T, both Kims, Kelly and Frank could wipe out major competition and crunch the current power. I hope they see this and act on it. It would be much more interesting. They should gun for Lex immediately.

Urgrace

Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 04:50 pm Click here to edit this post
Fruitbat, I see Teresa, KimP, Kelly, and Brandon playing both sides until they get to know where they stand. Frank is loyal to Teresa, but she may not be loyal to Frank, especially if there is dissention in the united tribe. Frank may even fly below the radar for a while as Teresa carries him along, unless he does align with others. Teresa will last as long as she wins the IC, but if she loses may be the first one out because of it. Ethan, Lex and Tom may be allianced, but Lex may have written his ticket out. Tom reminds me of Rudy and says what he thinks. No one seems to kick him out for it! KimJ seems to get along with most everyone, but I can see her sticking to the oldies. It will be interesting to see how they all get along, or not, now that they are all living together, and the previous separation of the tribes may change all the dynamics of the merged tribe.

Car54

Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:31 pm Click here to edit this post
I read some speculation about watching for secret alliances- I have noticed that tho Ethan seems to be part of an alliance with Lex and Tom, he usually publicly avoids admitting it.
I suspect he has some sort of underlying relationship with either KimJ or Kelly. In S1 we almost never saw Rudy & Rich talk about any strategy together, and in S2, it really looked like there was more of a relationship between Tina and Keith than Tina and Colby until the end.

I have been watching to try to see the "secret alliances"- and I think Ethan is part of something we haven't really seen. I suspect KimJ because she really masterminded the ousting of Silas, I think.
Kelly seems to be trying to have a relationship with almost everyone- but she doesn't really like Lex or Tom- so I suspect if she hasn't already she will try to make a bond with Ethan if she stays part of the Boran alliance.

Weinermr

Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:38 pm Click here to edit this post
I have thought all along there may be a secret alliance between Teresa and Kim P, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Teresa/MamaKim alliance. And even better would be a Teresa/MamaKim/Kim P alliance. Tom and Lex are probably acting under some kind of agreement between themselves too. There may be an Ethan/MamaKim alliance as well.

Car54

Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Weinermr, you might be right, I remember something Teresa said when the Samburus split into 2 groups, that she liked the young ones but thought it was better to stay with the older group. We certainly haven't seen much between her and Kimp.

Gina8642

Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 06:42 pm Click here to edit this post
Ugh, Car you are right. Mark B. does not show us anything on the most important alliences. Or else there would be no suspense. The strength of the Colby/Tina alliences was well known to the editing staff and they probably had plenty of video to support it. But they chose to show us very little, just to keep us guessing.

This is part of the reason I liked Big Brother. The show (and cast) was a lot duller, but the truth was much more difficult for the producers to hide.

Snee

Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 08:51 pm Click here to edit this post
i would love to see a t, mamakim, kimp, kelly secret alliance!

Misslibra

Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 11:13 pm Click here to edit this post
I think the secret alliance definitely involves Ethan, because of his unwillingness to commit to an alliance with Lex.

Right now I'm thinking the same way as Weinermr, except I'm not to sure who KimP is with, I'm not thinking it Teresa.

I think she is with Brandon though because of how she felt about Lindsey betraying him, and she even spoke about it. But since Kelly has been in her camp, she could quite possibly be with Kelly now.

For some reason I have a feeling either Brandon or Little Kim, might not go along with Teresa's plan in the end. One of them might decide to vote with Boran against Teresa, If it comes to Teresa getting her head put on the chopping block next. And I have a feeling it will be either KimP or Brandon.

I also think that Boran with stick with each other. They have so far, why would they change that now. It's been working good so far.

Grooch

Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 02:37 pm Click here to edit this post
When they had the IC, it was Kelly and Mammakim that lost first and got to sit on the sidelines.

I bet there was an awful lot of plotting and planning going on there with their secret alliance.

Remember it was Mamakim that signaled Kelly as to who had the vote.

Maybe they had no worry of being voted off this past week and so they lost first and fast so they could plot alone before anyone else came down.

Brandon saw them sitting there gossiping and he, being nosey, wanted to listen, so he was the next to quit.

That's my way of thinking for today.

Awareinva

Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 07:54 pm Click here to edit this post
I agree that Kelly and MamaKim seem to be very tight- I see them and Ethan possibly as a stong group that formed early but we never really see.

It might be nice to speculate that one of the old Boran will switch to the old Samburu but why would they do that? They would definitely not be one of the two pairs that would stick it out to the finish (Frank/Theresa or Brandon/KimP) unless they were very good at winning immunity.

So I see the old Boran 5 sticking it out - then alliances will be important. I have a gut feeling that Lex/Tom will be taken out by KimJ/Kelly and Ethan. Then....hmmmmm.....no real feeling on this, but I think maybe Kelly and Ethan- just because we've never seen them together. I think they are the "hidden pair" that we don't have a clue about until the end.

So right now- my final 2 are Ethan and Kelly. (Note: I reserve the right to be very very wrong...hehehe)

Car54

Tuesday, November 27, 2001 - 10:49 pm Click here to edit this post
I think Kimj and Kelly are definitely tight (I wonder if Kimj dumped her water at the last IC just to get time alone on the bench with Kelly after the merge).
The best they can do if they stay with the L/T/K is final 5. I don't know if they realize that.

If I were either one of them, I would think I could beat the other in final 2. Kimj thinks she is probably more likeable than Kelly (she probably knows how outspoken Kelly can be) and Kelly probably thinks she is playing smarter than Kimj- she has also been working 1 on 1 with more people who will be on the jury- she knows everyone personally but Frank, and has relationship with Kimp and Brandon, who don't know Kimj at all.

If they let L/T/E oust one more Samburu- maybe Frank or Brandon- and then go even one more... til Samburu is down to just Kimp & Teresa, NONE of those players have votes... they can stay in their original alliance... jump ship.. oust any of the original L/T/E.. and they are guaranteed at least final 4-better odds than if they stay Boran.... once in the F4, IC is crucial... and it is anyone's game... but F4 for sure is better than F5- and one of them will absolutely be the last 5 if they stay with L/T/E as things are.

There are other scenarios...L/T/E could annex Frank- he said he wishes he was Samburu to begin with- they could make a deal with him not to vote for them, guaranteeing him at least final 4- he might take it...that would bump Ke/Kj down to F5&6- not so good.
Or if L/T/E oust Frank, they could probably annex Brandon... I don't think he has ANY real loyalties, and he is no threat to them, but would give them one more vote to keep them safe-

I think things will stay as they are aligned now for 1, maybe 2 episodes. If any Borans or Samburus jump they must do so by then or it is Pagong for the Samburus. The other issue is how Lex and Teresa resolve the vote last week. I think that is a MB red herring, but if not Teresa is gone, and I think she is the only thing that can pull old Samburu back together.

Boy am I glad we have another week to think about this. Maybe we will see something new on the recap that tells us what people are thinking.

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 03:10 am Click here to edit this post
I'm glad we have another week to think about this to. The only problem I find myself thinking about it to much. I try not to dwell on anything to long. But I'm really enjoying this Survivor, I'm finding it much more... refreshing compared to this years BB. And the Survivor deadpool is making it fun.

I think Ethan and MamaKim have a secret alliance, but I also see Kelly in there to since she seems very close to MamaKim, and KimP seems tight with Kelly. So where does Teresa fit in all of this? Even though I think MamaKim, and Teresa have become very good friends, I think MamaKim will stick with her people (Ethan & Kelly).

If the three (Ethan, MamaKim & Kelly) are in a alliance together, I wonder if MamaKim's loyalty is mainly with Ethan, or with Kelly more. Even though we see Kelly in MamaKim's ear alot telling her everything, MamaKim will use that to her and Ethan's advantage.

I believe MamaKim, Ethan and Kelly will be taking Tom & Lex out. They will have the power, once they finish off the rest of Samburu, and I have no doubt that is exactly what Boran is going to do.

Tom and Lex would have to get Frank or Brandon on their side. And since Tom wants Brandon out, their pick would most likely be Frank to be on their team, but that wouldn't happen either, I don't think, since Teresa and Frank seem to be a team. So their best bet would be Brandon, because he don't consider himself with anyone, even though KimP thinks he is loyal to her when he really isn't loyal to anyone.

I wonder when Tom and Lex is going to figure out that they are going to need a Samburu on there side in order to win, because right now they are alone and don't realize it. Lex thinks he has the power but he really don't... Car54 did I just say the same thing you said?

This is my thinking for today, tomorrow I'm sure I'll think up another scenerio, and my head will continue to spin. I just don't want anybody to find me sitting in a corner, in the dark, by myself talking incoherent, while at the same time banging my head against the wall, and the only words that they can understand coming out of my mouth is Survivor!! LOL

Resortgirl

Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 04:18 am Click here to edit this post
LOL Misslibra ! That would be quite a sight!!

Awareinva

Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 12:49 pm Click here to edit this post
Oooooo......just had a thought. What if KELLY/TOM OR KELLY/LEX are the "hidden alliance? Kelly is a behavior specialist like Richard Hatch. He kept his close bond with Rudy hidden for a long time- like final 4 or 5. What if this is the one we have been looking for? That would mean K/L/T would boot E/MamaK to be the final three.

Specualtion on boot order:

Frank (strength) OR Theresa (a threat to keeping on giving votes to Lex which he doesn't want!)
Brandon
KimP
Ethan
MamaKim
leaving Lex/Tom/Kelly

hmmmmmm..... maybe wishful thinking but I like this scenario :)

Grooch

Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 12:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok, Aware. Please stop messing with my brain. I can't take any more possibilities!

Car54

Wednesday, November 28, 2001 - 01:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Then Kelly is lying to the camera- she has dis'ed both Tom and Lex in her diary pieces.
I think the hidden 2 are Ke/Ethan Ke/Kj (and Et/Kj do not know about each other's relationship with Ke)
Kelly is thinking about the F2- who does she want to take with her to the Jury. Tom is pretty likeable- hasn't made any enemies... his votes came from politics, nothing personal. She could beat Lex, but I think if Lex was around til F2, he would have figured her out and gotten rid of her. Ethan is too well liked, she couldn't go up against him.
I am betting on Clarence's opinion of Kimj- that she is not universally beloved (or she does something soon not to be) and Kelly thinks she can get more votes.
Kelly can probably get Ethan, Kimp, Brandon, and maybe Tom's votes (Tom likes cute girls) KimJ could get Teresa, Frank, and maybe Lex. Kelly wins.