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Car54 | Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:22 pm   Weinermr, we are not offended, I am afraid we have offended you. Thank you Kep, once again you say it great. I think I started all this, and all I was trying to say is why do they have to stay allied along the original party lines... Kelly and KimJ are not particularly happy with Lex's leadership. Teresa is trying to rally the Samburus but it seems unlikely that Frank will join the remaining youngsters, so why not think about it another way. In reality, this group doesn't even have to be public... if Frank continues to play the loner, he is a target, they can let the L/E/T team vote him out, follow the existing pattern, and when L/E/T look for the next person to go, change the pattern. That is all ANY group is...women, men, ...people with something in common-in this case staying in the game....and working together gives them strength to achieve their goals. Kelly and KimJ will probably play it safe and stay with Boran, (henced Kelly's "in a perfect world" speech) but if they do it, the best they will probably do is final 5- if they think outside the box and look at the group differently it might take them into the final 3. |
Weinermr | Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:24 pm   Moondance - Yes, you are a woman, and you experience certain prejudices and mistreatment because of it. I am a man, and I too experience prejudices of various kinds in my life, some exactly BECAUSE I am a man, and others because of who and what I am or aren't, or what I believe or don't believe, what I look like or don't look like. The things that hurt you are personal to you, and are important to you. The things that hurt me are personal to me, and are important to me. In fact, if we compared notes we may even find that we experience some of the same prejudices in our probably very different lives, and some that are unique to each of us as individuals. I DO deal with prejudice every day. Maybe not the same kind of prejudice that you experience, but I do experience it. And neither one of us should have to, but we do because that is how things are. Hopefully in our lives, we will get a chance to change things so that neither one of us or anyone else ever has to feel that kind of pain. Sorry to get so heavy with all this. It all just struck a nerve I guess. |
Weinermr | Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:28 pm   And incidentally, I would be delighted if the winner of Survivor 3 is a woman. Most of the people left in the game that I would want to win are women. Teresa is at the top of my list. |
Moondance | Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 05:54 pm   W I just wish the one I want to win would finally win!...Of course I don't have a favorite right now but I am leaning towards Theresa myself! Ethan is a cutey though |
Grooch | Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 06:11 pm   Weiner, I think that for most, human nature roots for the underdog. Right now the women appear to be the underdogs. At the moment, it looks like Lex, Ethan and Tom have total control over the way things are going and who will go when. If that is true, the show will be very predictable and not as much fun to watch (even though we may protest otherwise.) At the moment, the only way to break them up, is if the women band together. Otherwise it doesn't appear they have a chance. Don't forget, when the show started, the Samburas divided along age. That is discrimantory itself. But things have shifted again. I'm in my young 30's, but I would love to see Mammakim win it, to say "Screw all you people, an older person can win it." Or that a nice person can win it. But she would probably have to join the woman alliance to get ahead and then shift alliances later (older vs younger again, maybe) to win it. That's what I enjoy about reality tv, is how people interact with each other and how they handle situations. I will most likely always be rooting for the underdog. If the women do band together and start ousting the men, then I am sure the tide of public opinion will change again, and we would be rooting for one of the men to figure out how to overcome it and win. jmo. |
Weinermr | Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 06:29 pm   Grooch - I can relate to rooting for the underdog. I was rooting for Nancy and Emily all along in Amazing Race, and was extremely disappointed that they got eliminated. I do it alot too in other situations. These discussions here today are important, but maybe the Go Kelly thread isn't the place to have them. Back to the thread topic. I appreciate all of you, and I hope you know that. |
Gina8642 | Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 06:34 pm   I think you guys have a great idea. It would be really smart of the women to band together now. Strength is certainly an asset in this game, but not the only one. In the first two seasons of Survivor it seemed that dealing with boredom, weather and hunger were some of the most important skills to have after the merge. One doesn't necessarily need physical strength to excel here. One needs to base their alliences on something. Gender is as good a criteria as any. Like Grooch, I usually am rooting for the underdog, and really didn't like Lex's manuvers in the most recent episode. I'd really like to see someone else take the lead in the next episode. ('Course then you'all will be seeing me grouse about them next week. lol) |
Misslibra | Monday, November 26, 2001 - 12:13 am   I just finished watching my tape of the show, and totally missed Kelly saying that Frank hates Women. I was surprise to hear this coming out of her mouth. I'm sure she heard this from the brats, but someone who is suppose to be as intelligent as she seems to be, should know better then to believe everything someone tells her. She played right into the Brats hands, with their hate Frank campaign. You don't make a statement like that about someone, unless you heard it right out of the person your talking about mouth. She told MamaKim Frank hates Women, because he didn't want to see a woman win. Even if someone over heard Frank saying he didn't want to see a Woman win, which I have never heard him say, that does not make Frank a Women hater. I'm sure his Wife and Daughter's wouldn't agree with this either. It wasn't long before the teams merge Kelly was right in MamaKim's ear, repeating all the bad things the brats said about Frank, except she was saying them as though they were fact. Kelly should check out her facts before repeating gossip. Weinermr, I can see your view point, and it's a good one. I rooted for the Women in the first big brother to come together. I did it because it seem like everytime someone was voted out it just happen to be a Women, so I did find myself saying GIRLPOWER!! every now and then. I also see now that MamaKim and Kelly has a alliance. With Kelly giving her Signals as to who had votes on Samburu, and Kelly being right in her ear telling her everything about Samburu. I like MamaKim and just hope she is smart enough, to weed out the facts from the fiction. |
Sunshinemiss | Monday, November 26, 2001 - 12:46 am   Weinermr I am with you on this one. For some reason, at least in competition, when it gets to be men vs. women it changes the dynamic and brings other elements into it.. in other words, it can easily escalate into personal issues and lose the homogenized group dynamic. I feel this is one of the reasons I REALLY didn't like Love Cruise (that plus the fact it was pretty sleazy) the show from the beginning split along sex lines and got nasty, I like the interaction between men and women when they work together, they bring such different strengths to the group. JMHO. |
Fruitbat | Monday, November 26, 2001 - 03:55 am   I agree with all those that have supported the plan to oust the current control of L/T/E. It is about upsetting the current power and that just happens to pit the women together this time. The men started it. It has all been said very well and I have only one thing to add. Brandon is counted in this alliance so it is not all women. |
Urgrace | Monday, November 26, 2001 - 09:08 am   Yes, Brandon was always on the list with the women! The women will be stronger if they alliance themselves (including Brandon) against the men, but not just because they are women! But because it is the best way for any of the women to get further in this particular game. |
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