Archive through December 23, 2001
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Archive through December 23, 2001
Llkoolaid | Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 06:32 pm   I need help, I don't have a clue who to vote for, I want to do it by tomorrow so it will probably be just gut instinct, I hope I am better at it than Lex |
Tntitanfan | Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 06:33 pm   I am convinced that we are going to see the "pagonging" begin this week. If a Sammy gets immunity, Boran will just target another one! After two week of that, IF the Sammy gets IC, then we will have an interesting dilemma!! I just don't see the Boran alliance breaking down any time soon - In all fairness, I must tell you that this opinion is being shared with you by a person in the mud at the bottom of the deadpool!! |
Car54 | Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 02:53 pm   I am just now getting over being mad at Brandon and Kimp from last week's debacle. I haven't posted much this week, but just thought I would stir things up a bit. We are not necessarily bound for a true Pagonging... there are options for another week or so. I can see options for several more "twists". I think Tom/Lex/Ethan HAD an alliance til the final three. I think Lex's Brandon lapse came not from the vote or Kelly, but rather to find himself someone he COULD win against in the Final Two. I think when they made their alliance, Lex thought Tom was a real bumpkin that he could beat easily... and both Tom and Ethan have proved themselves to be universally popular. <See Lex's comment "Tom gets away with murder!"> Lex on the otherhand has managed to make virtually everyone mad. Brandon and Frank were the two players he felt he might be able to carry to F2 and win against. Last week, Lex's gut let him down again, and the whole thing blew up in his face. Both Ethan and Tom- his partners- spoke with him about their mistrust of Brandon, and he decided to go his own way...so TECHNICALLY, Lex broke the alliance. Again, the safest thing is for Old Boran to hang together to the F4, but Tom has shown a liking for Frank and Teresa AND Kimp...he could easily move over to their side and be in an instant majority- and it wouldn't be the first time F&T have been saved by a twist of fate. We never actually saw whether Frank and Tom DID shake hands last week. They talked about it but not ever shown on camera. Kimj has said she will stick to her alliance, but she doesn't really like Lex bossing her- her alliance is to Ethan. But Kimj also likes Teresa- and she didn't seem to dislike Frank when the two were swapped to Boran. So maybe the new alliance is the NEW BORAN- Kimj, Ethan, Frank, Teresa... the team that got rid of Silas. HMMMMM????? Anyway... I will probably be wrong again, but there are a LOT of possible twists that could still happen! I'm not giving up yet! |
Awareinva | Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 07:35 pm   Have we ever seen Tom and KimJ have a conversation or talk about each other? We have all assumed that it is Ethan with MamaK because Lex and Tom were allied. But what if Tom also made a pact with MamaK? Is it too late for the hidden alliance to make itself known? When did we realize it was Colby and Tina not Tina and Keith? Late in the game. I just was thinking about why they never seemed to be shown together- they were the older ones on that tribe and should have bonded-- esp. knowing how Tom likes the ladies. Tom/ Ethan and MamaK could be plotting to be the final three....get rid of Ethan (harder than to say it I realize) and Tom could easily beat MamaK, at least so it seems from editing. I think Lex will realize that he needs Frank in the F2 if he has any chance of winning- so maybe he will try to keep him around a while. Of course this could be wishful thinking since I like Frank and Tom. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 08:42 pm   Why am I watching this game? Mark B. will not give us enough informationn to really figure out what is going on. It is all just guess work on incomplete information. Urrrgghhh And, my favorites are gone..... |
Car54 | Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 03:27 am   Aware, that is an excellent observation- it certainly plays into Tina's insights at the beginning of this game- she said we would never see the invisible pair together... Because Ethan and Kimj were left behind in the twist we assumed they were together. When the merge happened, Ethan is the one who said "My boys are back!" We never really heard much from Kimj on this. Here comments last week about sticking with her alliance make me think she has a pretty single-minded approach to the game, but we have Clarence and Kelly saying she is a very calculating player- haven't seen that, except during "the Twist". She has more pictures in the preview this week, so maybe we see more of her. Gina, I feel the same way. I am not really rooting for any of them... IMO this is the dumbest bunch of survivors yet...starting with dumping the water and eating the beans! I read an interview yesterday with MB and he said he is re-editing the shows right up to air-time while in the Marquesas filming S4. I think his goal this season is to stir things up, and break old patterns, so that makes it hard to speculate. But I keep on watching.... and I am always surprised with what really happens during the show! |
Micknrc | Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 06:28 am   There is no tom/Mamakim hidden alliance. She's too old for that lech to pay attention to... |
Grooch | Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 07:05 am   Gina, it was the same thing for the Mole. But I enjoyed watching it anyway. |
Car54 | Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 02:20 pm   Here are the across the board picks for episode 10 Surviivor.com RC - Ethan IC - Frank boot - Kimp/Lex Tie Record thru 8 Episodes 3/9 ABT RC - IC - boot - Record thru 8 Episodes 4/9 EBT RC - IC - boot - Kimp/Frank/Teresa EZ Board boot - Kimp Record thru 8 Episodes 3/9 MESS Hall RC - Everybody IC - Ethan boot - Kimp Record thru 8 Episodes 3/9 SurvivorNews Board RC - Ethan IC - Frank boot - Kimp Record thru 8 Episodes 3/9 Survivor University RC - IC - Kimj boot - Kimp Record thru 8 Episodes 2/9 SurvivorCentral boot - Record thru 8 Episodes 4/9 Voted Off boot - Lex Record thru 8 Episodes 3/9 True Dork Times RC - Everybody IC - Ethan/Frank boot - Kimp SurvivorBlows Poll (1400+votes) boot - Lex 54%/Frank 26.9% SurvivorBlows boot - Kimp Record thru 8 Episodes 3/9 SurvivorFever Poll (1600+votes) boot - Lex 56.1%/Frank 25.3% SurvivorFever Board boot - Kimp 2/ Frank 1 Record thru 8 Episodes 4/9 Zap2it Poll boot - Lex 49%/Frank 28% E ! Online Poll boot - Lex 61%/Frank 16% |
Awareinva | Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 10:09 pm   I read an interview yesterday with MB and he said he is re-editing the shows right up to air-time while in the Marquesas filming S4. I think his goal this season is to stir things up,and break old patterns, so that makes it hard to speculate. That explains a lot to me about some of the hints posted on the CBS website, Car. Like the shower thing-- that was posted a couple of weeks ago and just showed up tonight. And the "selfless blessing" that never appeared.... I bet for some reason it was edited out. We'll either see it later or it was Frank telling Teresa to vote for him. I was thinking earlier maybe MarkB changed the show after the hint was posted, but then thought "nawww, he wouldn't be changing things this late in the game". Very interesting....wonder how much of this he changes based on the public's perceptions. He's a very devious guy that Mark Burnett  |
Corabell | Friday, December 21, 2001 - 05:56 am   TVCH Alliance #2 is 25th in the alliance rankings. Way to go guys!!! WE LOVE SQWERLS! |
Fruitbat | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 05:53 am   I can see only 2 ways to go this week. KimJ joins Theresa and KimP and votes either Tom or Lex (previous votes) out. Boran pagongs and KimP or Theresa is gone. The latter is the most likely senario. KimJ has no reason to desert her alliance. She is third either way and is more likely to be taken to the final 2 if she stays put. Not too much excitement on the horizon until the final winner decides who to take to the last round. So who goes? Theresa or KimP? I will probably vote for Theresa. |
Tntitanfan | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 08:12 am   I keep wondering about Tom's closeness with the Sammy gals. If he wants to get rid of Lex, assuming Lex doesn't win IC again, he could join Teresa and Kimp for this round of voting. I don't think he would vote with them if they were targeting Ethan, but Lex???? |
Resortgirl | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 12:55 pm   Car54, I think what has ruined S3 for me is that it's become to much of a formula show. The survivors have watched the previous seasons shows and know what they should do coming in (ie. alliances ect.), it's not spontaneous enough. And also, they have the same dumb challenges... they're fresh the first and MAYBE the second time, but bidding on food, and starting fires, going through an obstacle course for the third time....BORING!!! I remember in S1 going absolutely balistic when Richard won... I doubt I could even fire up a little *whoopie* this year! But I do want to see how it ends so I am reading and rereading my VCR manual so I can tape it while I'm gone...LOL |
Urgrace | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:14 pm   Lucky you, Resortgirl, I can't even find my vcr manual! I don't think Tom is going over to the gals side just yet. The way they all have been voting, we cannot get a sure idea of who goes, because it completely hangs on who gets the IC. Out of the three guys, Lex is a sure bet without immunity. Out of the girls (I still cannot figure out why Mama Kim is still there! but) the vote for one of the gals will most likely go to little Kim. |
Tntitanfan | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:22 pm   I don't understand why you think Lex will be a sure bet without immunity if you don't think Tom will vote with the Sammy girls. I don't see Mamakim joining the Sammy girls because I don't think she would have reported back to Ethan that she had been approached if she ever plans to make the switch. Of the gals, I think the most likely to go is Teresa becaue she stands a better chance than Kimp of winning an immunity challenge. Having said all this, let me assure you that I have spent most of my time at the bottom of the deadpool in the mud so that tells you how much my opinion is worth!! |
Tntitanfan | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:40 pm   Forgot to say - GO TITANS!! |
Urgrace | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 01:58 pm   My theory (believe me your deadpool votes are not as bad as mine) is that Tom and Ethan have both expressed reservations concerning Lex. If Lex wins immunity, the Borans will vote for either T or Little Kim. You may be right about voting T, since she is smarter and stronger, but would you want to take Little Kim into the finals? I will have to ponder that a little more. Mama Kim always votes with Ethan, and she has flown so far under the radar this whole game it amazes me she is still there! She has to be the weakest player ever to get this far! The Sam girls will get together as to how they will vote. Little Kim wants to vote for Ethan, but Lex has been winning a lot more immunities than Ethan and therefore is a bigger threat to them. |
Urgrace | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 02:15 pm   What is the next immunity challenge anyway? My deadpool votes will make more sense if I could get an idea on who might win immunity! |
Snee | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:38 pm   *ahem* skwerls are evil. |
Weinermr | Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:55 pm   and acorns are hard and chewy. |
Fruitbat | Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 03:47 am   Hi Snee. Nice to see you even though we have opposing takes on skwerls. I feel fairly confident that the survivors are prompted when they talk to the camera by a producer. Not told what to say but asked to speak about the others. Tom, Ethan and KimJ are not offering info on Lex necessarily. They are being asked to comment. This is very different. I think it is true they do not like some of what they see in Lex but it does not mean they will desert the alliance. Right now Boran will be the final 4, why rock that boat? There is just no need to switch alliances. No need at all. In fact it would be foolish to jeopardize jury votes. When down to 4 they can make a choice who goes, either KimJ or Lex. Lex would be good to take to the final 2, he has made ememies and that is exactly who you want standing next to you. I think Theresa and KimP are the next to go. Theresa is probably next. Bigger IC threat. The only excitement I see on the horizon is if the last SAM standing wins IC and all have to vote for a Boran. I really, really, really hope this does happen. |
Fruitbat | Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 03:51 am   Both KimP and Theresa will have that extra adrenalin going for IC this week. |
Llkoolaid | Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 12:17 pm   I was just thinking that they have to worry about who is on the jury and I doubt that Boran will risk taking any Samburu to the final because with Kelly thought of as a deserter, the majority of the jury is Samburu and they will not risk going up against one of them in a vote. So depending on who wins immunity either Theresa or little Kim will probably go this week. I can't decide what I think they will do with Lex, take him to the end because of his unpopularity or get rid of him because of his immunity strength. |
Whoami | Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 01:21 pm   These survivors have not been thinking about taking out strong competitors, or keeping one unlikable person around to stand next to in the final. All they have been doing is voting out someone they don't like, or who has recently annoyed them somehow. I think T is on her way out, cause she is stirring up too much trouble trying to break old alliances and generate new ones. MamaK went right to E and reported T's attempt last time. They are probably regarding her as a troublemaker now. |
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