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Llkoolaid

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Yeah I agree Lex has got to go, I do not like him at all. I want him off first and then Kelly. I hate to say this but I would like to see Brandon stick around for a while because he is no threat to the people I like. I love Ethan but he is in a vulnerable position with his strength.

Misslibra

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Yeah I'll co-signed that Llkoolaid, Kelly should go after Lex, I didn't to much care for her tonight either. She like Clarence but voted against him. She don't like Lex, but voted how he told her to vote.

I don't have a problem with Brandon right now, he has changed a lot since Lindsey left, and their brat group was broken up.

Car54

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:41 pm Click here to edit this post
You guys, there is a LOT to think about for next week.
Jeff only counted up to 8 votes, and it was 6 for Clarence, 2 for Lex- that leaves 2 votes unaccounted for.
We know Clarence and Teresa voted Lex, but did anyone else?
If Lex is on a mission to vote out competitors, if I was Ethan, I would be concerned. When Tom and Lex formed their original alliance, he did not really formally join- he stayed on his own, but on the other hand, when L/T/K left,he said 2 of his best friends got sent away.
Ethan is sort of a loner- if I was him I would be very careful.
I am also wondering if Teresa can sweet talk Tom?
It sounded like KimJ wasn't too happy with Lex, and Kelly was pretty vocal.

Oh this is VERY complicated. I wonder if Lex knows the total number of votes he got, since Jeff didn't read them on camera.

Misslibra

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:46 pm Click here to edit this post
Lex only got two votes, remember at the end they show who voted for who.

Misslibra

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 06:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Ethan and Frank both are loner's.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 07:01 pm Click here to edit this post
This is very complicated, I don't think Ethan is a traitor to his team but if he wants to save his own butt he better be careful.

Lilliegirl

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 07:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Ethan is a traitor to his team but he is trying to save his butt at least teresa did what she said she would do and not vote for Clarence, she reminds me of Tina.

Kep421

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 08:09 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't think Ethan is a traitor. Ethan has always said that he wanted to vote Clarence off as soon as he could because Ethan felt threatened by Clarence's strength. Ethan is just playing the game.

Lex is also playing the game and the smartest move right now is to get rid of the strongest players who have the possibility of winning all the ICs. But getting voted against is also part of playing this game and he should expect reciprocal votes. I think his revenge search and dictatorial attitude is not smart game play and may cost him dearly with his remaining tribe members.

Smileeys

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 08:17 pm Click here to edit this post
I guess you mean that she reminds you of Tina in her strength/will and not her ability to stick to her word b/c Tina did some major backstabbing.

But back to this season. Someone above said Clarence could have won this but I think he knew he couldn't hold out against her so was trying to do what he could before slipping. Teresa seems able to go into that place where she doesn't feel pain - dissoaciates from her body. I don't think Clarence can do that so MHO is that she could have went longer than Clarence.

I am unhappy with their decision to vote him off because he honored his word to her and had already "redeemed" himself. I don't think he would have made it much farther but I know I wouldn't have been able to vote for him after that - at least not at this tribal council.

Even though I wish they hadn't voted as they did, it does shake things up a bit and this decision could come back to haunt some of them. So, at least this one has been more interesting in not being able to predict too much of what is going to happen.

Misslibra

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 08:17 pm Click here to edit this post
Yes Lex is playing the game and I can't fault him for that, but his attitude sucks, and I hope it ends up doing him in, because what goes around come right back around.

Kep, I agree with eveything you have said, your right on point.

Misslibra

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 08:26 pm Click here to edit this post
Smileeys, you could be right about Clarence, but I still think he had it made. I just wish he had of choosen to stick it out instead of going the route he did, now will never know if he had it in him or not. I picked him to win that IC, and he had it right in his hands, but what does he do? He plays paper rock scissors... Grrrrrrrr!

Ok guys that will be the last time I mention the paper rock scissors, but that really pissed me off!! You don't play no damn paper rock scissors when you know Lex, Tom and Ethan is after your hide!!

Lilliegirl

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 08:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Lex got two votes, one from Clarence and one from Teresa so Lex will be out for Teresa butt.What a shame Lex took it so bad and he wants to find out who voted for him well get a brain Lex its not hard to figure out so watch out Teresa.

Hippyt

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 08:39 pm Click here to edit this post
I agree Car,tonight's show certainly opened a whole new world of scenarios!!!
My thoughts ,I wonder how Theresa felt when she realized Clarence was telling her the truth during the IC,saying he really needed to win. She said I don't believe you,you're trying to trick me. And, I was proud of that fact that Clarence did honor his word and step down when he lost the rock/paper/scissors.Sorry to see Clarence go.
I agree that immunity necklace looks like a third grader made it!!! Couldn't they have made it more elaborate,like those pretty bead things they show the locals wear?
Kelly drove me up a wall tonight!! Does she have ANYTHING positive to say about anyone???? Geeez,she's a freakin whiner!!!!
As for myman Lex,what a disappointment!!!!!If he doesn't tone it way,way down,he's a goner,but quick!!

Discoinferno

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 11:08 pm Click here to edit this post
It's *****AWWWWWWN***** now Mr. Lex...or should I say Mr. Boogie? You annoy me!!!!!!

Whoami

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 11:28 pm Click here to edit this post
What was with Brandon dissing Lindsey so bad all about? He said she didn't go out with class? Okay, I won't call her classy, but she sure didn't throw a tantrum from what I remember!! Some friend he is. She should have voted for him after all!

C1mag

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 01:47 am Click here to edit this post
Everyone is complaining about Lex but what about Miss Brandon missing another boot? Brandy has only participated in a total of two immunity challenges and she is still in the game. The scary thought is that she is gonna be around for a while because it's obvious the strong now will go and the week will be used for votes to control the outcome for the more competitive. Notice that Tbird is scrambling to gather votes from her old teammates because she knows Lex is gonna find out she is the one who voted him out and all she needs is Kelly or the older Kim to join them and they are gonna control this game and sure enough Brandon will stay in the game sitting on a stump with her legs crossed sucking up too anyone that will keep her in.

Tom was right when he said that no one other than Brandy deserved to go this last vote. They won't get the chance again for a while. If T gets what she wants and forms a new alliance then look for all the boran males to go one by one if they don't have immunity.

Just remember, sometimes in the end of these games the jury and group that vote do it with revenge for getting screwed out of the money and the loser of the group like Rich and Will( Don't care how many say he should have won this dude was a LOSER) end up taking home the money. Good God did Brandon win? Yikes!

Micknrc

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:08 am Click here to edit this post
Good Golly! all this sudden anti-lex sentiment!

A) Clarence was a goner--Ethan has been wanting to get rid of him from the beginning. Did I miss some part where Lex is responsible for all those other people's votes? Just because he thought it was the best idea doesn't mean he held a gun to anyone's head...Clarence off was the smartest possible move whether the merge happened now or three days from now (which is why I voted him off in the deadpool--yay me)...anyone here remember a guy named Colby who they couldn't get rid of once it went to indiv. ICs?


Having said that, as a Lex fan (**sniff**), I think he better watch out, as he is dangerously overplaying his hand. sometimes people get carried away by an early sense of success and that's what does them in...

two weeks to go--more later on the danger Lex is in...

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:31 am Click here to edit this post
Kep421. I agree. If T were smart she would tell him she voted for him. She promised Clarence she would not vote against him and Lex was the biggest threat. Period. He would have done the same. Very obvious clean strategy. He could not fault her for that.

No one can be a traitor to their team now. They are all playing as individuals. New alliances will form.

This is a very good show.

Frank is not all that bright and it showed last night. I have no idea why he is being so irritable and sullen. He alienated his team and will pay for that now. Foolish man.

I walked away liking T and Kelly last night. Kelly has many reasons not to like Lex. He is going to vote her out when it suits him, they have no bond and Lex is officious. He was dictating who to vote for. And we must not forget that their chats to the camera are editied to show the most interesting stuff. She may have said many positive things about the others.

Lex is vulnerable now. He has made some major mistakes.

I am dumb founded as to why, Kelly, Frank, T, Clarence, Brandon and Kim did not align and vote Lex off. It would have changed the game entirely. It is sooooooo clear that old Boran is the power. They missed their chance.

Car54

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:32 am Click here to edit this post
I was pretty irritated about Clarence last night, but after thinking, I tend to think that he was gone anyway. I think Lex and Ethan had it in for him since the Bean&Cherry incident, and Lex has been gone from Boran for a while- he missed some of Clarences good things- helping with work- getting rid of Silas, etc.

If you think about it, the big thing Lex did to irritate us was TALK about what he was doing- the others have plotted and bonded together to vote someone off EVERY TIME, but they have sort of let Lex look like the leader.
Last night when Tom asked Ethan what they were going to do, Ethan looked at him like he farted in public. Not discussing it keeps things sort of "civil" and in some ways keeps the voters from having to face what they have done (til now- now begins the Jury!) Diane, Jessie, and Silas aren't coming back to address the votes, so it is sort of safe.
I think if Lex had kept his mouth shut, we wouldn't bee feeling so mad at him. And lets face it, the preview-showing him hunting down the "rat" doesn't make him look good.
The other thing that is worrying is that he had LOTS of face time this week- that is usually not a good sign.
Did any one else notice that as soon as they came back from the IC, Teresa was doing one-on-ones with each member- she really IS doing a Tina!
Another question I have is- when the tribes were switched, Ethan said TWO of his best friends got switched- did he mean Lex and TOM or KELLY?
He doesn't seem to have much in common with Tom-
if it is Kelly and she goes over to Samburu- how will Ethan feel. If I were him I would be very careful. If Lex & Tom are after the threats, ethan could be off after they find out who voted with Clarence.

Lex is forgetting about the camera and editing- we never saw Colby/Tina/Keith discuss who they were going to boot.
They might talk individually to the camera, but never in front of the tribe. I think he thinks he is being direct and honest- but that is not what this game is about!

Car54

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:43 am Click here to edit this post
LOL, Fruitbat, I was thinking about you last night during the show. I liked all the intrigue so much I didn't care how bad my voting came out.

How did you vote? At one point last week I thought you were leaning toward Clarence- but I wasn't sure how you ended up!

I think if they had more than 1 day to bond as a group, the Samburus would have pulled it together and backed Clarence- I think that at first, because they are so fragmented, they were just glad it was Clarence and not one of them, and didn't see the opportunity.

I liked Kelly too- remember, she is not talking frankly to others, just to the camera- she sort of reminds me of Jeff Varner last year- he was very frank about his opinions.
I was also very worried about Frank- he just can't seem to "fake it" and blend in with the crowd. I am really worried that he will be targeted soon. I loved the scene with him and the elephants- he was very sweet.

Spygirl

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 06:51 am Click here to edit this post
In my opinion, Lex is an idiot if he can't figure out who voted for him.

Since the only votes were for Clarence and Lex, then it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that Clarence voted for Lex because he clearly wouldn't vote for himself. That's clearly one vote.

And anyone with half a brain would know that Teresa wouldn't vote for Clarence considering they made a deal in the IC -- even the other players could see them do something even if they didn't know what. And considering Teresa's character, it is doubtful that anyone would believe she would make any sort of deal with Clarence and then turn around and vote for him. So, since the only other different vote was Lex, then duh, there is the second vote.

JMHO

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 08:12 am Click here to edit this post
Car, I voted for Clarence to win IC. I don't care at all that I was wrong. I would rather see an unpredictable show than be right each time.

Spy, yes. It is so obvious who voted for Lex I was surprized to see him question it. And why shouldn't she? They have never shared a team or had much contact at all. He is expecting allegiance from everyone? Quite an ego there.

Spygirl

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 08:54 am Click here to edit this post
Quite!

Wink

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 08:55 am Click here to edit this post
I didn't see the end of the show after tribal council. Did they show everyone's vote? I was hoping that Kelly and MamaKim were also going to vote for Lex. I knew Clarence was probably a goner but I was hoping that Lex would end up with more than 2 votes. I am turning in my Lex Rox badge. Nothing wrong with strategy but his self-appointed "I am the leader, I know best" actions really grated on me.

Maybe I read too many spy novels but to my mind strategy is usually more subtle. I did not see the previews showing his indignation at getting votes. Now that is a really stupid strategy if that is what happened.

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 12:02 pm Click here to edit this post
Only 2 votes for Lex and I agree. He dissapointed me. He thinks he is above getting votes? What an ego!

Grooch

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 12:22 pm Click here to edit this post
<<sometimes people get carried away by an early sense of success and that's what does them in...>>

Isn't that's what happening to the young samburas?

Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 12:25 pm Click here to edit this post
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Fruitbat

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 12:26 pm Click here to edit this post
Yes...it has always been the players that did not expose too much too soon that made it to the end.

Frank made a terrible mistake as well. Came on way to strong and hurled judgements very fast and hard. Now he is pouting about it. I find that ironic.