Archive through December 30, 2001
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Archive through December 30, 2001
Car54 | Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 07:30 pm   Help.... I have to vote Monday (unspoiled) and I haven't a clue. I am torn between 2 votes- 1. Teresa- Mama K spills the beans about her attempts to form a new alliance 2. Mama Kim does move over to the girls to boot Lex-(to do the dirty work for Ethan and Tom) and the guys ditch her, deciding to keep Kimp instead. Can you tell I am confused? |
Corabell | Monday, December 24, 2001 - 02:50 am   Doesn't KimP seem to be involved with a lot of the cooking? Does this buy her anything? |
Car54 | Monday, December 24, 2001 - 03:02 am   Letting Tom give her a shower probably buys her more good will. I think Kimj did most of the Boran cooking before the merge, so Kimp isn't really necessary for it. This could really go almost any way- and so far the CBS teasers have been totally misleading... so I am at a loss. A lot depends on the IC, and if 2 people go on the RC, that is an opportunity for the others to really plot & plan without them, so who goes is a huge deal. |
Resortgirl | Monday, December 24, 2001 - 03:12 am   Car, I am totally confused to. This is the first week in a while that I have NO clue. I'm thinking Teresa off (only because she is a threat at immunity challenges) But I have no idea who gets immunity this week so it could be her and then I'm screwed...LOL |
Weinermr | Monday, December 24, 2001 - 10:10 am   Car and Resortgirl - I want to join the in your confusion LOL. My brain has thought up 3 different possible scenarios, in which either Lex (sorry Resortgirl), Kim J, or Teresa is voted off. I haven't yet picked one, and since I don't vote unspoiled, I have until Thursday to decide. If I come to a reasonable decision I'll let you know. Until then, I remain a charter member of the Confusion Club.  |
Car54 | Monday, December 24, 2001 - 11:09 am   Welcome Weinermr and RG! I think pretty much anyone but Ethan could go. Most of the possibilities hinge on the IC, and we know virtually NOTHING about it, so who knows! I have given up speculation, and right now, I am voting Kimj- just because she is boring, and I read where she is very wealthy, so she doesn't need the big bucks. I think foxy Lex has an F2 plan with each of the Borans, and that Tom and Ethan will keep him around because they each think they could beat him. My favorite site to read wild speculation is the Mess site- they have some VERY active imaginations, and every theory I read sounds viable to me! So from now on, I am voting the one I like the least.... no other strategy! (can't be any more wrong than I have been!) |
Weinermr | Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 09:29 am   I've decided, rightly or wrongly, that Kim J will not vote with Teresa and Kim P. The biggest sin in the Survivor world is betrayal, or perceived betrayal. Kim J would be cutting her own throat by going against Tom/Ethan/Lex. They would NEVER vote for her while on the jury, and it would gain her nothing. Therefore, I believe she will not vote with the other women, and either Teresa or Kim P will be voted off this week. I'm leaning towards Teresa because she is the impetus behind the effort to get the women to vote together. Unless she wins immunity, which is possible, but the odds are that someone else will win immunity. That's my two cents, which is all I have left after holiday shopping. |
Kep421 | Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 09:52 am   You know, normally I would agree with you weinermr. But a few of the ousted contestants have all said that Kim J "...is playing the game..." when they are asked their opinions of her. This makes me think she doesn't really care about being perceived as a "good" or "bad" player. I think she will choose based on what she would think is strategically best. She might think an all girl alliance would get her further... I can't believe she would actually think the "guys" will take her to the final three... |
Evilnurse | Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 11:06 am   I don"t believe MamaKim will switch over to the girls. I think she tries to seem open to other alliance's so that she can find out who they want to go out. I don't think she has ever really considered changing alliance. As much as I would hate for it to be so I think Lex will be in the final two. In one of the interviews Kelly did the asked her if she had talked to Lex about the vote thing. She said yes they had spoken on the phone about it. If Lex had been voted off, he would be with the jury for awhile. Wouldn't Kelly have confronted Lex face to face on this issue had she had the opportunity? |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 11:24 am   Weinermr. I absolutely agree. The reputation KimJ has, as doing anything to win, came from Clarence and Kelly. Two on her team that she helped vote off. I think it is nothing more than that. It is possible that they thought they had an alliance with her and maybe they did early on. KimJ surprized them by going with the boys. |
Car54 | Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 12:01 pm   The new preview looks good- the survivors get a video from home. There are pictures of Teresa, Kimj and Lex crying when they see their families. There is a spoiler out there from Tom's home town that he "takes full advantage" of the contact with home. Wonder what that is about? |
Tntitanfan | Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 12:47 pm   Car - You know how those rumors are! It is probably something like letting the others see a "strong sturdy man's man" cry so they will like him even more! |
Car54 | Wednesday, December 26, 2001 - 01:19 pm   Yeah, Tn, but this is a little mysterious- someone who said they were from Tom's home town posted about this episode... (contact with home) about a month ago on another board. Then she came back and deleted her posts about 2 weeks ago. Hmmmm..... |
Gina8642 | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 09:39 am   Ugh, I've never been a fan a tear jerkers and that is what these "videos from home" episodes always are. I was the only one, as a kid, who didn't like the movie "ET" because it was such a tear-jerker. lol (I've relented a little bit in my opinion of ET since then.) As far as Tommy getting a message from home? No reason to disbelieve them. The message may have been removed on the behest of the producers. I'm sure they scour the internet to find the spoilers when they can. I guess if I'd been out there that long, I'd be crazy with home sickness by now. But, as a strategist, it seems a little food is more important then messages from home right now. Food will let them think straighter, therefor they will be more likely to do well in the thinking challenges. (Keep in mind the challenge of where you have to remember lots of personal details of your fellow cast members is still coming.) Actually, messages from home might throw me off my game. |
Gina8642 | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 09:43 am   Tom "Taking full advantage" eh? He probably just flirts outrageously with his wife. lol |
Chance | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 01:19 pm   Hey car, where is the "Mess" site? And now, just for you, in case you don't know all the words......but this will probably have spelling errors... There's a holdup in the Bronx Brooklyn's broken out in fights theres a traffic jam in Harlem thats backed up to Jackson Heights Theres a scout troop short a child, Kruchevs due at Idelwild Car 54 where are you ?????????????????? |
Car54 | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 01:28 pm   LINK There is a spoiler bd, a speculation bd, and the MESS site at this address. |
Tntitanfan | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 01:47 pm   You are right, Car! That is mysterious about the posting being removed - only a little over four more hours for me! |
Car54 | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 02:18 pm   IC pics There are some vidcaps of the immunity challenge, and some of what appears to be the walk back from the IC which shows Kimj, Kimp, and Ethan NOT wearing the Immunity necklace. If this is true, that would mean Lex, Tom, or Teresa won immunity. |
Grooch | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 05:15 pm   I came up with a new theory on my ride home from work tonight. The way things are going, it looks like Theresa is the next one to get pagonged. I think Tom and Lex (I don't know about Ethan) would rather keep Theresa for the next 3 days then Kim. But they can't vote Kim over Theresa without the risk of pissing off the jury. So what can they do? They will loose the IC on purpose and let Theresa win it! Why not? They did it before to oust Silas. This way they can vote off Kim and say, no hard feelings, but a Boran had to go and it is you. I think it would be safe for them to do it, because what are the chances of Kim winning the immunity? And if she does somehow end up winning it, they can all go back to the pagonging. Yep, that is my theory until I change my mind again. |
Gina8642 | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 07:22 pm   But Grooch, What if one of them brought up the idea, and the other didn't like it? That would be rocking the boat. Risking losing one's place in the alliance at this late date would be dangerous. If anyone rocks the boat it will be Teresa. That should be her strategy now. How can she get these four to start questioning one another - anything that gets her one more tribal council into the game will be a huge victory now. KimP said she and Teresa really worked on KimJ at the end. She never even budged. But, it is the only chance Teresa has, and I say good luck to her. |
Tntitanfan | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 07:30 pm   Car54 has a great theory going over on the "Bleeping" thread. I am hoping that the remaining gals are smart enough to pull this off! It would bring a really interesting lift back to the bame instead of another round of pagonging. |
Gina8642 | Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 10:43 am   Different Topic: On the SurvivorSucks boards they still seem to think one of the women is going to leave for health reasons. They all seems to think it will be Teresa. Who looks in great health to me. KimJ on the other hand does not look good. Her legs are all puffy (which - notice the showed, and made a bid deal about) and she seemed to be moving pretty creaky in the last episode. So, maybe all this speculation about her is pointless. And she has to leave for health reasons? I think I'm just being hopeful here (no, I don't want her in bad health, I'm not that mean.). Maybe Teresa has a chance anyway. Doubt it, but hey, I can hope. Only two more weeks of Survivor. I'm not sure what I will do after this for good TV. When does the next Survivor start??? Maybe they've cast brighter bulbs this time, who won't just let themselves get Pagonged. (And, yes, I am meanly refering to KimP this time.) |
Car54 | Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 11:03 am   Gina, on the Mess board, the have a big discussion on this- it is based on Clarence's Early show interview where he stumbled on a question about the bootee safari, and said something about "after the jury". He glossed over it when questioned, and it was never really explained. Here is the quote from the Russ Mitchell interview MITCHELL:I want to talk to you quickly about what you did when you left. You got a chance to go on the safari, right? Got to see those elephants up close again? Maybe comprismising circumstances? CLARENCE:The safari blew me away. I mean -- I -- and I was-- When I got done -- beyond the jury, I had a chance to really see Kenya. And that was priceless, the things I got to see on the Safari. ------------------------------------------------------------ Here is the quote from the one with Jane Clayson: CLAYSON:I want to talk to you quickly about what you did when you left.You got a chance to go on the safari, right? CLARENCE: oh, it was awesome CLAYSON: Got to see those elephants up close again? CLARENCE: yeah the safari was -- CLAYSON: Maybe compromising circumstances? CLARENCE:The safari blew me away. You know I mean that -- and I was -- When I got done -- yeah, i wanted to be on the jury, but I had a chance to really see Kenya. And it was -- it was just priceless, the things I got to see on Safari. There is a vidcap of the IC where Teresa appears to take a fall and bump her head. No real evidence that it is serious or that she was indeed hospitalized but the rumor has been out there for a while. The theory is that she was removed and Clarence the last boot before the jury replaces her. There was so much about the other players who needed medical attention, I just can't believe if someone was injured that badly we would not have heard about it. Teresa returned to work this fall with no problems. It would make things more exciting tho, you are right. |
Car54 | Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 11:15 am   challenge vidcaps Here is a link to the pictures- Teresa's fall is toward the bottom of the page. Looks like almost everyone falls on this one. |
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