Archive through October 24, 2001

The ClubHouse: Archives: -- GENERAL ARCHIVES --: November: Survivor Insider: Episode 2: Archive through October 24, 2001

Joan

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 07:22 pm Click here to edit this post
The following are my synopsis and sometimes a few comments about it. I tried to put my comment at the end so as not to slant what I saw too much. Anyone else who has the clips, please feel free to add your own take and/or add something I left out. The titles are taken straight from CBS.com, I didn't name the clips. I will also warn you as CBS warns subscribers, some of the language and content is not exactly wholesome family fun if you know what I mean so...don't shoot the messenger. :)

Boran eats mush—-“Mama Kim” cooks mush and the guys eat it from the lids of cans. Tom compliments her on her cooking kinda sarcastically. Kim says rice would have been better but they decide there is no rice in Africa. Ethan asks Kim how much she used (water? flour?) but she says she doesn’t know, she has done it so many times she just takes the same amount. Tom gets up and walks off to vomit but then he doesn’t.
This was a kind of boring clip but it did show Kim’s position in the tribe as cook and maternal figure. Looked like an amateur filmed this bit though. It was jerkier than a home video and randomly zoomed in and out.

Clarence tries to redeem himself—-This is a longer version of the Clarence/Jessie conversation we saw on the show. Clarence tells her about Diane and how she only talked about God and their families to him and how he was her only friend out there. He said he told her she was probably going to be the first one gone and he regrets that because he believes that that is why she tried to peg the bean incident on him—to save herself and put the focus on someone else. Jessie comments that she found the incident fishy because Clarence volunteered to stay with Diane even though he was usually the first one to want to go somewhere, not stay at the camp. That, to her, was suspicious. She reassures him though that he will get a fair chance and he says that that is all he wanted to hear.

Clarence dogs the girls—-This is a longer version of Clarence’s interview from episode 2. He basically expounds on his belief that the other tribe’s girls are more athletic and that is what is giving them the boost to beat Boran each time. He says that Boran is great at gathering and building a little “village” but not at the physical things. Only the men are doing the hard labour both in challenges and at the camp and the women contribute an unequal share to the tribe all around. He says Kelly does “administrative” things around the camp and Kim cooks but that is about it, everything else is being left to the men.

Kelly and the voting process—-Kelly basically thinks out loud about who will vote for whom. She is a “big eavesdropper” so she stayed up all night trying to listen to other people talking. She thinks she has a good idea who is lying and who isn’t and she feels pretty safe for the moment. She doesn’t like Clarence at all but she did go talk to him and he told her she was going to get voted off so she told him she heard he was. Tom supposedly told a few people he would vote for Kim before Kelly. She speculates about getting together with Clarence and Kim and “picking everyone off.” She also says that when she woke up Jessie for her watch, she was in Ethan’s “tent” which was unusual for her and she heard Ethan say “Do you think anyone suspects anything?” which, to Kelly, means they either have an alliance or are having sex. She speculates that Jessie plans to stay in Africa through sleeping with the guys which she considers “kinda gross” and she says if she gets voted off because Ethan is “getting laid,” she will hunt him down and stone him.
Kelly is definitely a sorority girl! She can blab on forever and she is very into social networks. This could help her I think.

Tom and his goats—-Ethan is talking about his hackey sack (luxury item) and Tom says he wants to use the “hockey sock” too. Ethan laughs and asks if Tom even knows what one is. Tom says he doesn’t and then asks “Is it dirty?” Then he asks if it is a little round hat and points to the back of his head. Maybe he means the kind Jews wear? Ethan tells him he’ll pass out from excitement when he sees it. When Ethan explains, he asks why anyone would want to kick around a “hockey sock”? Ethan asks why anyone would want to milk goats. Tom says he doesn’t milk goats and Kelly asks if he makes love to them. He says “sometimes” but he breeds them like a little family. Then he tells about this one goat who lost it’s only kid so he skinned the dead kid, stole a kid from a goat who had 3, put the skin on that kid and within 24 hrs, the mother accepted it as her own. He said goats know one another by smelling each others’ butts. He also said that this was a better deal because then her “tits” full of milk would not go to waste. He pointed at Kelly when he said that and she kinda protested about the tits part so he points to Jessie instead. And no…he wasn’t saying “teets.”
He seems interesting and he definitely has compassion for animals but he seems to have some messed up views on women.

Bed bugs-—Lindsey is talking about finding bugs where she and Kim were sleeping. It cuts to a clip at night where they find a clear bug scurrying too fast for them to see. They both jump up and speculate that it was a scorpian. Then they notice a whole bunch of the bugs right where they were laying. They figure they didn’t notice before because they didn’t have any light. They are both grossed out and scared that it was a mother scorpian and all her babies.

Carl and his buff-—Carl reveals that he has been using his buff (the thing that says Survivor on it that they all have to wear) as toilet paper and also as a washcloth. He figures that the African people use their hand but he isn’t ready to stick his hand up there just yet. He ate too many of these nuts they found one day and got the runs. He ran off and used his buff and his underwear to wipe himself but the other tribe members saw him and gave him a hard time about it. The next day, they went to the water and Linda asked if there was anything he wanted washed and he said his pants and his buff. She said “I’ll do it” and he was very very impressed that she would wash his buff after that. He says he doesn’t know if the younger ones would have done that for him and he thinks this speaks well of Linda.

Silver Fox—-Carl complains that he has too much grey in his hair and Theresa says she likes men with grey in their hair. Silas says his mom and sister do too. Theresa tells him she hopes he doesn’t use Grecian formula once he becomes a star and Carl says he never will. His friend died in an accident and after that his wife decided they needed something to lift their spirits so they went to the hairdresser and she had them cover Carl’s grey. That night he sat in his Jacuzzi and the next day his hair was purple from the chlorine. He didn’t notice but the whole day people kept looking at him funny but not saying anything. Someone even asked if he got a new hair style and he said yes assuming the guy mean the cut. He asked if his friend liked it and he said “Umm…it’s different.” Finally Carl went to look in a mirror and realized what had happened. He said he had purple hair for a week and will therefore never dye his hair again.

Lindsey is paranoid-—Lindsey tells Carl she knows about the alliance and that she would be fine with it if they would just talk about it openly and reveal the order in which she, Kim and Brandon will get booted. She asks that they take her out last. Carl says to get it out of her head because he cannot guarantee how things will happen since he is not the leader. Lindsey laughs and says she knows he isn’t but she says she doesn’t see why he has to be a follower either. Carl says it isn’t really following. He tells her if they just keep winning immunity, she won’t even have to worry about it anyway.
Lindsey kind of irks me here. She whined to Silas and now to Carl about taking her last. Some loyalty that young group has if she is willing to sell out Kim and Brandon before she even knows how things lie.

“Forgetaboutit”—-This is just Carl doing some lines from Goodfellas with Theresa and Silas.
Silas definitely looks like he hangs out more with the older people so far…

Kim in the buff—Kim (Samburu) comes over to Carl, Theresa and Silas wearing her buff as a skirt. It is very tight and very short. Carl jokes with her about how they will probably advertise saying “See Kim in the buff!” He also comments on how she has no fat on her body and she tells him she boxes and does triathalons. He is obviously impressed and comments on her competitive nature.
Silas seemed to be paying little attention until the last comment when he looked up fast. I wonder if he could be worried about Kim impressing Carl too much.

The problem of age-—Samburu minus Lindsey and Kim sits in their hut and learns one anothers’ ages and birthdates. Silas starts it by asking Frank his age and Frank says “23 for the challenge” and says he will tell them his real age afterward. Carl says “just tell me in case they ask me a question.” Carl is shocked to learn Kim is 29. Frank tries to get everyone resting so they will be ready for the challenge. Everyone thought Brandon was a teenager. They also speculate about Boran and they figure Kim over there is the oldest one on the show. They refer to Tom as “Big Beef” and figure he is probably a “workhorse” over there. Theresa says she thinks he is probably under 45 and a few of them think maybe he has just had a hard life which is why he looks old.
Carl is a smart dude, he obviously is aware that knowledge of his tribe mates may come into play in a challenge. I think it is funny that they don’t know the names of the other people—I would be trying to learn them and scope them out every time there was a challenge but I guess they might not always have a chance for that.

Tribal Council-—For some reason, all I am seeing is a commercial for Survivor saying it airs “this Thursday.”

Sunshinemiss

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 07:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Joan! Appreciate the effort (and some interesting insights)

Awareinva

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 07:42 pm Click here to edit this post
Thank you Joan. I don't have access to the feeds and really appreciate the time you took to make a synopsis.

Don't know if it will help with the decision making or make it more complicated, but I appreciate reading the extra info anyway. It helps with the BB2 withdrawal (and now the Mole wasn't on last night- I'm so lost!)

Joan

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 07:54 pm Click here to edit this post
No problem! I was writing them up anyway for those friends of mine who cannot get over to my apartment to partake of my subscription. hehe Not all the clips are really exciting but some of them give valuable insights, IMO. Just seeing who is sitting with whom from day-to-day can be important.

And Awareinva, this is the wrong forum, I know, but didn't they cancel the Mole this season? I know I heard somewhere that they aired the first episode and got such bad ratings they decided to save the season for a later time.

Peachie

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 08:09 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Joan for all the info, it was great reading about all these people when we cant watch them. ;o) I cancelled my live feeds after BB2 and appreciate what you are doing. I also heard that The Mole was cancelled but they advertised every week for the Mole 3, go figure. Anyone gets anymore info on the mole please let us know.
Thanks

Sawheel17

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 09:02 pm Click here to edit this post
Thank you sooooo much Joan for your time and effort. We web-tvers really appreciate people like you. Now I can go to bed and rest. It's been a long time since my last fix.(BB2 addict here).:) Thanks again. ((((Joan)))

Tksoard

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 10:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Joan, I'm with Sawheel on that. Thanks from us Webbies!! I really appreciate you sharing the info with us!! It is really interesting to hear the little conversations that go on "behind closed doors". Are you going to keep the feeds and inform us every week? It would really be great!! Thanks again.

Joan

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 10:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Yes, I have already paid through the end of this season so I will be keeping the Insider subscription. I will try to post something similar to this each week. The clips appear on the CBS site at midnight ET each Thursday (so as to avoid spoiling the show) and I will try to post something as soon as I can after I watch them. :)

Donut

Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 11:59 pm Click here to edit this post
thanks so much!! i have been waiting patiently for someone to finally do this! About how much time do the clips run in total each week, and do you think its worth it or not? thanks!

Snee

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 12:17 am Click here to edit this post
thanks, joan! that was great!

Sunshinemiss

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 12:31 am Click here to edit this post
While we are off thread, those of you that are mourning the loss/postponement of The Mole, there is a petition to re-instate it over at the Mole board, go sign up! It has a pitiful 28 signatures right now, we need some support please!

Tntitanfan

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 07:11 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks, Joan! Every little scrap of information comes in useful when trying to make those important voting decisions. Also there are some people who get so little "face" time that it is difficult for me to get any feeling about their personalities.

Judy

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 07:49 am Click here to edit this post
Thank you so much Joan! My Goldpass ran out on the 18th- so thanks a million:):)

Bidasea

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 09:13 am Click here to edit this post
Wow Joan! That was really great to read..I still think Carl is a shrewd operator..He doesn't get a lot of air time, so I was glad to read a bit more about how he thinks..Thanks again for being one of the posters who make this board so special.

Smileeys

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 01:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Joan, thanks alot! :)

Regarding the Mole II, it aired three episodes on Friday night at 7pm and didn't get very good ratings (can't imagine why <said sarcastically>) so they have not cancelled it but postponed it replacing it with "America's Funniest Videos" and will air it again sometime between January and March.

Chippy

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 03:29 pm Click here to edit this post
Great job Joan. Is there a place to read live feed postings like they had for BB? I think those folks did an awesome job posting all that stuff.

Thanks again Joan.

Joan

Sunday, October 21, 2001 - 10:44 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks everybody! *blown away by the comments*

Donut, the clips vary a lot. So far, some are only a few seconds long and some are up to 5 or 6 minutes. If you go to the Insider area of the official Survivor III site, it'll show you the names of the clips and their running time even though you cannot watch them. They do guarantee at least 30 minutes of exclusive footage for each episode. Now...some of the footage is stuff that appeared on the show in part but on the web it is in its full, unedited form. That confrontation about the beans? It was a lot longer than we saw. hehe I will have to do the writeups for Episode One this week.

As for whether it is worth it, that depends on the individual I suppose. If you figure the average episode is about 40-45 mins once you take away the recapping, intro segment, commericals and credits, seeing an additional 30 mins each week is almost like seeing 2 episodes instead of one. So far I feel like I have gained more insight into A. the characters and B. how they live day to day. If you are interested in the interpersonal and survival aspects, Insider is worth it. If you are more into the challenges and TC, it probably isn't.

Judy

Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 08:03 pm Click here to edit this post
psssst...yeah...you Click Here for visual aids to go along with Joan's wonderful commentary.
shhhhhhhhh

Joan

Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 09:31 pm Click here to edit this post
lol Well I guess I won't need to do any more writeups! Judy you sly thing!

Sunshinemiss

Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 09:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Joan please don't stop, those of us poor souls with Webtv can't watch the clips and really appreciate the write-up. Please please!

Joan

Tuesday, October 23, 2001 - 11:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok, np. :)

Fruitbat

Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:33 am Click here to edit this post
Joan thank you so much. I appreciate this. I like being able to read the info quickly.

And Judy thanks........there may be some I would like to view myself.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 04:53 am Click here to edit this post
Judy, I cannot access your clips. It askes me for a username and password. What I use for this board does not work nor any of my others. What's up?

Micknrc

Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 07:09 am Click here to edit this post
It just means she has her server turned on no anonymous access and you can try again later! (If I understood her correctly when she explained to the TVCH#1 alliance group). I'm sure she can explain better when she sees your message....she's a techie whizkid!
Thanks go out to Judy and Joan for all they do--they're angels!

Sandyc

Wednesday, October 24, 2001 - 09:28 am Click here to edit this post
Judy.. Thank you. Waiting for un and pw instructions.