Lex likes to put salt on the wound...an arrogant fellow!

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Spunky

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 10:16 am Click here to edit this post
Sorry for Lex fans here, but I don't admire the guy one bit.

With the excuse of "being upfront" with Clarence, he tells him "you're out". Not only did he tell everyone to vote Clarence out he has the arrogance of humiliating Clarence further with telling him just how much everyone wants him out. The poor guy knew he was toast, there's no need to add insult to injury..

And now he has the arrogance to find out who voted for him... a bit dumb too, can't he figure it out by himself??

Yuhuru

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 10:35 am Click here to edit this post
ditto

Spunky

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 01:06 pm Click here to edit this post
I bet he'll get voted out soon. The women (go Theresa) won't stand for his "dictator"'s attitude...

Resortgirl

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 01:38 pm Click here to edit this post
I've liked Lex from the beginning although I had very little information about him. I don't think he is evil incarnate as some think, but some of his behavior last night was a bit "off". I do however think there are others who deserve to be voted out WAY more then Lex! Kelly, Brandon, Kim, Frank all come to mind. JMO! :-)

Karuuna

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 01:45 pm Click here to edit this post
I've always liked Lex. I'm thinking we didnt' see all of the story here, cause I really didn't find his behavior that offensive. He didn't want to have to lie to Clarence, we know Clarence was probably asking everyone if he was going to get voted off. Clarence has known from the very beginning, he was in a bad situation -- caused by his own bad behavior. And Clarence clearly knew that when he kept telling Teresa during the Immunity Challenge that he needed to win.

I guess I don't see what was so awful about telling Clarence the truth...

Personally, Brandon's constant switching allegiances, Frank's early arrogance and bossiness, Clarence's food grubbing and then grovelling, and Kelly's lying and backstabbing are all more offensive to then Lex's telling Clarence the truth.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:14 pm Click here to edit this post
At first I thought Lex was being very decent about it all. Now I have to wonder what his real motives were.

When telling Clarence, he said it wasn't personal, yet we saw in the previews that he went ballistic about who voted for him--he was taking it VERY personal. He has to find out who voted for him, because he has to cut their heads off??? Get real Lex!!! You can dish it out, but you can't take it. You can't take it at all!

His actions show me that there is at least a possibility Lex took him out and told him so he could just rub it in his face.

So much for Lex being a competitor. A competitor goes into the game asking for nothing he isn't willing to give. If he's taking it personal, there is a very good change he's giving it personal. What's up Lex??? Can't handle people playing the game??

I think Kelly (or was it Kim?) had a good point that Lex is willing to lie in the game, then tell the truth when he wants to, then profess to be an ethical person. I agree about Brandon as well. He has not loyalty. And Tom--saying he wouldn't want to see Clarence voted out before Brandon---yet he voted for Clarence.

Someone already booted out made the comment they don't keep in touch with Lex, and it didn't make sense why they wold have said it. After last night's previews, I have a good idea why.

Resortgirl

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Karuuna, I posted a very similar message in another thread. I really haven't seen any obnoxious behaviour from Lex (nothing that should have Kelly in a snit anyway) and I don't disagree with what he did concerning Clarence. I think he really thought he was doing the honorable thing. Oh well, everyone perceives things differently...

Wink

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:20 pm Click here to edit this post
Kar I think some of us are taking issue more with Lex appearing to appoint himself the messenger of the bad news to Clarence (who obviously had to be aware he would be a target) and spokesman for the whole group. The clips of Kelly, Tom and Mamakim give the impression they weren't in total agreement with him. True we don't get to see the whole picture and it's quite possible that he was asked to deliver the news to Clarence however his indignation that someone had the nerve to vote for him leaves a bad taste.

Neko

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:24 pm Click here to edit this post
I liked Lex and thought he was okay, but last night, he had my fur a little ruffled. I'm sure most of his "evil-ness"(If you could call it that) was do to editing. Also, Kelly was alright to me too before last night but now I'm just wishing she's next. She's falling down the line of her predecessor!
If anyone gets that, I'll give 'em a cookie!

Resortgirl

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:33 pm Click here to edit this post
<He has to find out who voted for him, because he has to cut their heads off??? Get real Lex!!! >

C'mon Lance... Those are the words of MB... you know by now that the previews rarely are close to the truth... MB wants to make much ado about nothing!

Lancecrossfire

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:36 pm Click here to edit this post
We shall see RG. They sure sounded like they came out of Lex's mouth. As it's been said a number of times about the editing---they can't show something that didn't happen.

Joan

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:40 pm Click here to edit this post
From the preview last night, it looks like while Lex is on his rampage, T will be campaigning for his demise. The bit with her saying we have to act now, this TC, made me think she meant act against Lex.

I think Lex is trying to work the jury. He probably didn't realise Clarence wasn't going to be on the jury. If he can look like the great honest guy to all the outgoing ppl, he has a better chance if he faces them at the end.

Weinermr

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 03:54 pm Click here to edit this post
<The clips of Kelly, Tom and Mamakim give the impression they weren't in total agreement with him.>
And yet, they all voted for Clarence anyway. I'm surprised they all voted for Clarence. Good for Teresa to stand fast on her principles. Lex is pushing it if he thinks a vendetta against the person who voted against him will get him anywhere. It may even help him in the short term, but it will backfire eventually. I believe he is sealing his own fate. Arrogance doesn't win in Survivor (oops, I forgot about that Richard Hatch guy).

Car54

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 04:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Excellent point Weinermr!
I think Lex is taking a lot of heat (he mad me mad too, don't get me wrong) but I posted in another thread that I think his big mistake is that he was too up front- he took it upon himself to tell Clarence- but on the Early show, Clarence said he was GLAD he was told- it allowed him to spend the last few hours getting to know everyone.
I think the old Borans have been kind of getting off easy- using Lex to be the "leader" but not taking any responsibility for his actions-
That way they really don't have to feel guilty
about voting people off.
Tom disagreed, but did nothing, Kelly and KimJ did nothing. When Tom asked Ethan what they were going to do at TC, Ethan looked at him like he farted in public- it made me think if Lex takes the heat, everyone else is just following.

With regard to Lex hunting down the person who voted him- remember we may not be seeing everything.
I also encourage you to read some of Lindsay's interviews. Remember when Lindsay got voted the first time, and when she came back to camp she went psycho and said "Dont F**k with me people."
In an interview I read, she said right after that she realized that she was being a total jerk and apologized to everyone, but that was never shown and she looked like a psycho.

I think when we see this week's Insider, we may see more of what was going on behind the scenes.

Sawheel17

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 05:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Lex? Don't even want to discuss HIM today.:(

Car54

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 05:49 pm Click here to edit this post
Guys, I just wanted to pass this on- I just read a summary from this week's Survivor Insider, and evidently there is a scene between Tom and Lex where TOM offers to be the one to tell Clarence since he already has votes, and they both know that telling Clarence may cause him to vote the messenger- Tom doesn't want Lex to be the only one to take the heat.

There is a lot more- hopefully we will get Joan's update this weekend, but just wanted to post this since there is so much discussion on this.

Resortgirl

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 05:51 pm Click here to edit this post
Thank you Car54!!

Snee

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 08:13 pm Click here to edit this post
i think lex is blowing it by being to much out front. he's shown himself to be a competitor and a leader...and now is NOT the time to underline that!

lex obviously really wanted clarence gone, by what he said while clarence and t were in the last bit of the ic. i didn't think he was horrible to tell clarence, but i have a feeling he was instrumental in deciding it was clarence's turn to go...even with other borans disagreeing. i'd need more information though, to think that lex was being really horrible. i think he was more stupid. i'm interested in what joan has to report this weekend.

Kep421

Friday, November 23, 2001 - 08:19 pm Click here to edit this post
I agree Snee....

Car54

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 05:09 am Click here to edit this post
I was reading another board and saw it pointed out that at the end when Lex was ranting about finding the rat who voted him, what we heard was a "voice over". So he may have said that in a diary piece- not out in the open. We all know they rant and whine in the diary pieces-say things they would not say in public- so for me that makes the rant look a bit different if that is true.

Fruitbat

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 06:43 am Click here to edit this post
It was foolish for Lex to tell Clarence. Clarence was 99% sure he was out and everyone knew that. The less you say the longer you remain, in general. I assume his motivation was sincere.

I think Kelly and maybe KimJ voted for Clarence because they knew the majority would and he was out anyway. Voting for another would be discovered and they are protecting themselves and that is smart. Also, even though some really liked him, at a muscular 23 years old he was the stiffest IC competition. Not a bad move to get him out while they had the chance. That is what it is all about now.

Bidasea

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 09:22 am Click here to edit this post
I have re-watched my tape several times to try and understand what it was that made Lex into an evil guy...He has had this same personality since day 1, but no one cared because it was Diane, or a Lindsey being voted off. He thought he was doing the right thing for Clarence by telling him. Tom had already voted for Clarence twice before anyway. On the early show Clarence said he was glad to be told.When he voted for Lex he didn't say he was mad at him, just that he was going to make it harder for Lex to WIN. He must think Lex is a strong competitor. If all the (chicken) others really didn't want to be told what to do, they could have voted differently. Ethan didn't want Tom to mention giving someone the ax on camera..I think Kelly is just jealous.It was Kelly who ran ahead to the food reward to read the note and be in charge. She gets the tree mail to read to the others..I think she wants his place in the tribe. if Kelly, Teresa, Kim J., Kim P., Brandon,and Clarence had voted for Lex he would have been gone. But they didn't...They let Clarence go...Not the fault of Lex...

Weinermr

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 11:00 am Click here to edit this post
I will quote them, it's "LEX ROX" they said,
Many compliments of him I've read.
I don't get it, do you?
Of the "Man of Tattoo",
I see only "ROX" in his head!

Gina8642

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 11:53 am Click here to edit this post
Can't say I like Lex, 'course nor do I say he is "evil". You can't be all nice and expect to win this game.

I think he is trying to take up the leadership position a little too early.

I think there will be a revolt out of resentment.

Ethan is still flying pretty low on the radar despite being quite sucessful in all the challenges.

So Lex supposedly loses it next week because someone other then Clarence voted for him. Bad move on his part, but quite understandable. It is easy to say this is all just a game, but it hurts like hell to have folks (even just one folk) say they don't like you. Like Lindsey, he will realize his mistake and calm down, but will it be too late by then? How many feathers will he have ruffled?

Anyway, I was very sorry to see Clarence go, he was my favorite. Wanted to see the Detroiter win. I wish him well in the future.

For now, I am routing for Kelly, but who knows how long that will stick.....

Demented_Freak

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 02:24 pm Click here to edit this post
he is trying to take the lead too early, so I am waiting with glee for the mutiny ;)

Resortgirl

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 02:32 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't think Theresa voted for Lex because she does't like him but more simply, she is playing the game. She has more informaion on Lex at this point then we do and she must see him as a threat. As I've said before, Lex may not be perfect in the way he is playing, but name one person that is. No matter who you say there will be someone out there that disagrees. We are ALL survivors in a sense. Our opinions, postings, ect. don't please everyone no matter how hard we try. We all have different experiences, realities, and conduct ourselves in a way that has best worked in our own lives. Same with the contestants on Survivor. I think they are all great to have made it there and we should applaud them on that fact alone.

Car54

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 03:38 pm Click here to edit this post
The other thing is, she had to vote for SOMEBODY, and at least by chosing Lex, the vote had some meaning- picking someone at random would have been pointless. In some ways it was a gesture of respect for Clarence, who ultimately helped her win immunity, and I suspect she knew it would cost her something.

Karuuna

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 05:02 pm Click here to edit this post
Also from the Insider clips, it is clear that Clarence was asking everyone if they were going to vote for him. But before Lex told him, he did confer with Tom about what would be best. Tom agreed that it was best to tell him, and as Car mentioned above, offered to do it so that Lex "wouldn't take the heat". I don't see how Lex could have taken that offer with any integrity.

JMO, of course.

Tisha90029

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 05:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, since I have adored Clarence since day one, I am permitted to be irrational on the topic of Lex--a name that should only be given to Superman villians, I think.

That said, I think his actions were unconscionable: how could he go right up to poor sweet Clarence, with his beautiful smile, chest, and abs, and tell him he was being tossed? Clarence should have said, "OK, you over-the-hill never-was Tommy Lee wanna-be, take me out. But I'm better than you and I always will be!" [The last sentence requires Joan Crawford intonation, but what the hay?]

Sunshinemiss

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 07:10 pm Click here to edit this post
I just re-watched my tape, and the rant from Lex at the end is NOT a voice over, he says it right to the camera...however, not in front of anyone else.

Just an FYI.

Lilliegirl

Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 07:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Tisha LMAO I agree and Lance it was Silas in the chat that said he kept in touch with everybody except Lex.