Archive through December 29, 2001
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Archive through December 29, 2001
Weinermr | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 10:29 pm   Can someone explain the reasoning behind voting Kim P off and not Teresa? Wasn't Teresa a greater threat? And wasn't she the one who tried to rally the women together to vote Lex off? Any insight would be appreciated (don't ask how my votes came out - I sucked) |
Resortgirl | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 10:34 pm   I thought they should vote out Teresa too and the only reason I didn't vote that at deadpool is I read a spoiler board that had a good case as to why she wouldn't go this week. As to what the survivors were thinking, I haven't a clue. Teresa certainly seems to be a greater threat, unless they know something we don't. Maybe she is becoming really physically run down and Kim P. isn't. Don't know! |
Kep421 | Thursday, December 27, 2001 - 10:43 pm   Who knows???? Could be a myriad of reasons, all of them good ones. Its just that we never get to see any of them because of editing. We find out so much more from the next day interviews than we ever do from watching the show!!! I've learned more about this Survivor from these boards than watching TV. The TV shows seem to provide nothing more than the question of the week for us to discuss. I most certainly don't care for the way this season is being edited. |
Awareinva | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:15 am   I was wondering the same thing all night last night, werinermr!!! The only reason I can think of is that Teresa and KimJ have some kind of deal going. If it was a failed women's alliance, Mark B would have shown that for sure again in last night's show....therefore I think there is something else afoot!! I think that MamaK is going to use Teresa (and Teresa has nothing to lose by going along). I don't know who the target is yet--- looks like Mama must know that she will lose to Ethan or Tom in F2. Smart move would be to keep Lex around---but this year's players seem so wrapped up in who is playing the game the nicest, blech!! Give me a scheming conniver like Richard Hatch any day--or Will off BB2. This Survivor is playing out like season 1 of Big Brother. So who is the most deserving in their eyes? I think Ethan/MamaK and Teresa are going to final four. Lex goes next week, unless MamaK wants Tom out! We haven't seen any Mama/Tom interaction at all- I am hoping they are the secret pair (just because I really want Tom to win). I would think that Mama would like Tom's value system- it seems to match her own. They both seem like they feel Lex betrayed their alliance by going out to bring in Brandon. So....if I had to guess now, I'd say T-bird has won Lex's place in the final four. I thought she was gone last night. I mean who would keep the schemer over KimP!!! unless there was something else going on. This season at least hasn't been predictable-- as my score at the deadpool shows!! LOL |
Car54 | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:36 am   Aware, I have the same theory- we only saw Mamak and T plotting, not Mamak and kimp- when she and Kimp were making the cards, the conversation was pretty general. Teresa was pretty impassioned about thinking Tom would vote Lex. But could it be that she is talking about NEXT week? If Teresa tells Tom about the Lex vote, which made Tom help boot Kelly unfairly, he may finally turn on Lex. Or maybe Kimj can guarantee Ethan as the third vote. Neither Teresa or Kimj have any real bond with Kimp-, and Lex thinks Teresa is the "real deal"-remember, his gut told him so....and I bet he chose the target. He and Tom both leaving the women and Ethan alone was a poor choice strategically- we have no idea what was discussed while they were away. Ethan is not the type to spy on the women. The only thing I see against this is Teresa is more likeable than Lex- and strategically that would be dumb to keep her over Lex- unless Lex goes nuts again next week and becomes so unbearable they can't stand to keep him. Teresa would get Frank's vote, and who knows about Kelly and Brandon- depends who she is up against- B doesn't like Tom or Kimj, neither does Kelly- but neither of them have any quarrel with Ethan. And then there is immunity.... if immunity is a brain or endurance thing, the girls might be able to compete. If it is physical strength or skill, probably not- and now all of the guys have the advantage of winning at least one major individual reward where they got a full meal- the women have had no extras, so they are weaker. Oh this is so much fun to speculate on! |
Karuuna | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:36 am   Weiner -- I puzzled the same thing. The problem of course is that sometimes the editing is done in such a way to omit the information we need to make sense of things. I read somewhere this morning (either in her Early Show interview or an Insider update?) that Kim P *knew* she was the one to go next, that she knew Lex had a stronger bond with Theresa. But I never saw that in any of the tv shows, so apparently all that was edited out. |
Grooch | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:37 am   Don't forget, that they are in Africa and they have to work hard getting water, firewood, etc. KimP was originally labeled a lazy mallrat by everybody. And Theresa is a hard worker. Remember, the Sambrats wouldn't even get out of bed to show Lex & Tom where the water hole was. Who would you want around for the next 3 days? A hard worker, or a mallrat? Remember, they are getting very weak now and they need all the help they can get. |
Tntitanfan | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:42 am   I figured the Boran alliance would hang together at least one more week, but guessd the wrong Sammy girl. I hadn't thought about a Mamakim/T-Bird alliance! |
Grooch | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:46 am   Karunna, didn't Tom say in one show that KimP was all alone and everyone knew it? I found it odd because I would think she would have Theresa and Frank. But he said she was all alone. So that there, is telling that for whatever reason, she never really bonded with anyone. Theresa has been working it from day 1 and she is very smart. I am sure she knew she had to work on relationships to survive out there. And I am sure she really learned that lesson after watching Samburo split down age lines. I am sure she would be closer to KimJ than KimP because of their age and they have more things in common. Tom has gone on in past shows how he really liked Theresa. And Theresa probably found a way to bond with Lex. And Theresa was there with KimJ and Ethan when they switched sides, so she probably got to know Ethan pretty well too. She's been able to pull it off that no one knows she voted for Lex that time. I think Theresa still has a shot of winning. It may be a slim shot, but I think she might make it to the final 3. |
Car54 | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 01:54 am   I think Lex commented that it was "Painfully obvious" that Kimp had no allies- this was a couple of weeks ago before we saw her let Tom wash her ta-ta's. Kimp also was the cause of Brandon's boot, and supposedly Lex and Brandon are friends. I really don't think the men realize how strategic Teresa is. She is keeping a very low profile. |
Karuuna | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 02:09 am   Grooch & Car, I guess I didn't pick up on those things. Mebbe I'm just dense. I just didn't get that impression about Kim P. She and Tom seemed chummy (the paired team challenge antics and the shower stuff); and I've seen her chatting up Ethan and Teresa frequently. So I guess I misread. Not the first time, and one thing I am sure about -- it definitely won't be the last! Wish there was a pool on that!  |
Gina8642 | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 02:42 am   Car- I also forgot about the "real deal" statment about Teresa from Lex. They all really like Teresa. They want to bring their friend along as far as possible - a la Elizabeth in Survivor2. And, the Boran seem to fail to realize how hard she has been playing this game. If they do, then they feel secure enough in their allience to bring her along anyway. I think you are also right that she has a chance at winning it all, albeit a very small chance. We have yet to to see the immunity challange where they need to know details about the other contestants lives. Seems Teresa may have an advantage here because she was in both tribes. She has also bonded with everyone. Even back at the beginning of Sambaru, she was the one advocating not to split up so quickly. (Smart Lady!) If she can pull an immunity to get into Final four or three, she stands a real chance. I'd vote for her over any of the reamaining Boran. (Of course, I love an underdog - that is the one who always gets my vote. lol) |
Urgrace | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 03:23 am   Teresa has been using her strategy every chance she can, like last night at TC she made a statement about wishing she had not gotten into an alliance so quickly in the beginning of the game - meant to be heard by the jury, too! Grooch, you practically took the words out of my mouth about Kim P. The young Sambrats were out of there and she was the last to go. Out of those two Samgals left it would be Kim P gone, but I also figured Teresa to win the IC which helped me make up my mind! The young have not survived this season's show. Now does that mean, if Ethan is the youngest one left, he's next? Or is Lex younger? (urgrace wanders away to go check the profiles of the players once again.......) |
Ems | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 03:50 am   I like T but I think that she would be more of a threat then Kim P (I like Kim P to but its the truth). |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 28, 2001 - 04:41 am   This was my big question too, Weinermr. It was there but too subtle for me to grasp. Hindsight says that, of course, KimP would go before Theresa. At this point they would certainly vote off the SAM with whom they had the least rapport. KimP being alone with no alliance said it all, and I missed it. She is much younger than the rest and her little quips during the pot breaking game gave some insight into a fundamental generation split. |
Hippyt | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 12:53 am   Well,here's my take on it,I was thinking the same thing. Why would you vote off someone who is obviously not much of a threat,and leave on someone who is? They are all GOOFY! Seriously,they are all playing this game according to Lex's gut.Why would they even give Theresa a chance to go to the final four? Because they LIKE her? I agree the editing is bad,but even after the interviews and the "Wonderful Insider",it dawns on me that this bunch ain't so sharp! The good side of watching a bunch of people who are really,really bad at strategy is it's unpredictable! |
Grooch | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 09:26 am   I like your theory, Hippyt. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 09:53 am   Me too Hippy. GOOFY GOOFY GOOFY. I think Teresa is the only one who has kept her wits about her. But she has had GOOFS for strategic partners. LOL |
Gina8642 | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 10:04 am   Ok, and on that note. What is up with KimP? You cannot get more goofy then her. She enters a contest. The point of the contest is to try to win a MILLION BUCKS!!!!! But instead of trying to win the money, she is more concerned with feeling betrayed by Brandon. This wasn't a one second gut (ut oh - more guts in play) reaction. She had THREE DAYS to think about it, and calmly come to understand the possible ramifications. But NO, she would rather side with the GOOFY Boran, who had every intention of PAGONG-ING her instead of siding with her Buddy Brandon. GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY. (I may need to go learn how to use formating here, to really get my point across) |
Car54 | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 10:13 am   It seems to be a tradition to give the bootee some respect at TC by saying they are a big threat. Either that or that they are sick, or sad, or they "want to go". Kimp never came close to winning anything except the making fire challenge (her solo talent- maybe she can be in the next Flintstones movie). She was really hungry and small and weakened- none of the women are any sort of physical threat at this juncture- the men all had reward trips with extra food and drink- the women have had mush for 30 days. Yep, On one of the other Survivor boards they have a whole thread about the dumb things this group of Survivors have done- beginning with dumping the water. Now I think we can add KimP's idea that sleeping a lot was a valid Survivor strategy when she was a mallrat. |
Gina8642 | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 10:18 am   GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY, GOOFY!!!!!!! |
Gina8642 | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 10:20 am   Good thread idea Car |
Smileeys | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 12:08 pm   Gina, I think you got your point across about how much you think KimP messed up - I still disagree with your thinking that she was dumb not to trust Brandon after he had already betrayed that trust. If I reaaaalllly care about someone, I have been known to put up with too much but it is hard for me to trust someone initially. I think she felt like a fool (on national TV) for trusting Brandon and thinking they were such good friends. I would not have trusted him either. OTOH, You are probably a pretty good friend to have if you can forgive and forget that easily |
Car54 | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 12:35 pm   Smileeys, I think that is sort of the point. I saw Kim on the Saturday Early show this morning and she said after the boot, she and Brandon made up immediately and were fine. The whole thing is, and Ethan actually says this in this week's insider- these people are not really friends- they are strangers who have known each other a month. And they are there to win a million dollars. I don't think Kim ever had that clear from day one- she was the one on the way to camp who wanted to stop and get to know everyone instead of finding shelter. I think Brandon figured out after the mallrat disaster what the game was about, but he screwed up by not communicating his plan to the Samburus. Frank and Teresa understood, but Kim just didn't get it. The most successful players are the ones who were able to keep their heads despite getting personally involved in friendships. Rich and Rudy were allies, but not really friends. Tina and Colby each had relationships with other players, but when the game was at stake, they stuck to their plan and played on. Sorry, don't really mean to jump in here- Gina is more than capable of stating her own thoughts! |
Gina8642 | Saturday, December 29, 2001 - 12:45 pm   You did just fine Car. Goofy is my word of the day, and Goofy is the best way I can describe KimP's choices. (Keep in mind, I don't know that I could have done better is the same deprived situation - But I sure hope I coulda' figured out that one.) |
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