Why cant these people start fires?
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Why cant these people start fires?
Roe325 | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:23 am   I know this post is one episode late, but it has been going on for 3 seasons now. None of these "survivors" know how to start a fire without cheating. ie: using a magnifying glass. where none of them ever boy scouts? I just did a search on Amazon and found at least 5 books with title like "Primitive Wilderness Living & Survival Skills: Naked into the Wilderness" Believe it or not fire is actually started without matches or help from other sources besides the sun! Uh, maybe someone should have read one. Ok, I am grouchy again. I know, but they KNOW how important it is to start a fire! you would think they would at least talk to a scout leader!! and then the next most important thing WATER!!! they dump!! uggg! OK, I feel better now, I needed to say this for 2 weeks now and I got it out and now I feel better. also I really hope this show gets more interesting, because, right now, I am a little bored with the cast. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:50 am   Your right Roe, my husband watched the first show and won't watch it anymore, he said it is foolish, anyone that got on any of these shows should have studied up on the naturaly vegetation, and learned some basic survival skills. Dumping the water was the stupidist thing i ever saw. It is bad enough that most of them come unprepared, like it is camping in a park, and then someone with survival skills and any sign of leadership tries to get things moving they all whine and boot them out because they are bossy. I especially find this to be true of the younger people, have they not noticed that middle aged people have won the last two. Both Richard and Tina, played the head game right and pulled their weight. On survivor 1 the team that had Gervaise ( I can't remember the name) they kicked out that woman Greta with all the survival skills and then the girls kicked out that young guy (he was strong) because they thought he was sexist. They were twits and got picked off one by one, they thought it was a party. Very few of the younger ones had any work ethic or survival skills, there were a few like Elizabeth and Colby, I think most of them were picked for eye appeal and ratings.They lack dicipline, this is not a party or a day at the beach. |
Rachelinsc | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:50 am   I don't think high intelligence is a requirement of being casted on Survivor. Guess each member thought the others would read the books on making fire. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:55 am   It probably wouldn't be as fun to watch if they were all on the ball, how could I sit back and feel all superior if they did that. lol |
Aja | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:58 am   I feel the same about the fire and water, it bothered me a lot in survivor1, but was excusable because they did'nt really know what they were getting in to. Survivor2 was a little harder to believe (that nobody had practiced/researched making fire), but at least one person had a plan. This Survivor players' ignorance is almost unbelievable! Even Frank could'nt make fire, what's up with that?! I have a different view of the cast though, they are the only thing that can keep this one interesting. It would be more interesting if they had to hunt their own food or something, but I'm sure that's illegal where they are. What do they have to do besides challenges? get water, boil wather and scare lions off at night. I hope more things like the Clarence/bean incedent happen, that made for a memorable show, eh? |
Rachelinsc | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 09:03 am   <It would be more interesting if they had to hunt their own food or something, but I'm sure that's illegal where they are.> Aja, are they really going to be provided with food the entire time? I had assumed they would have to find their own source eventually. That makes the show more interesting to me, although I really did not like the starvation the last group endured. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 09:04 am   Their stupidity is unbelievable but it is what makes the show enjoyable to watch, I think they are on a game reserve so they can't hunt. I think there is trouble brewing in Sambura so that may get interesting, we need to see more of the mental games, for me that is when the show gets good. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 09:09 am   I think they are just getting a minimal amount of cornmeal. About the cast, I actually like the cranky bossy pushy people for the sake of the show, the sugar sweet ones give me a toothache. The lazy whiny ones have got to go and I love seeing them get the boot. I loved Diane going but I think they may regret losing Jessie's smarts when they get to a thinking competition. |
Aja | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 09:37 am   I read somewhere that most of this show's challenges would be for food, as it was too painful to watch contestants waste away from starvation and lie around all day from lack of energy. Do you remember the heavy metal disk that someone threw aside when they first got dropped off? I have a feeling that could have been used to make fire and cook on, they would have been better off in the long run by carrying it with them. Even if they did'nt have flint (in the form of a 'prop' spearhead or something), or the area they are in has no flint to be found, if you strike 2 raw metal surfaces together you can usually get sparks. I wonder if Boran has ever gone through their medical kit and found the monocular (or did they leave that behind too)? |
Mahrajah | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 09:43 am   blame it on the telli-tubbies |
Roe325 | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 10:07 am   Didnt they kill Kenny? |
Roe325 | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 10:12 am   I think first thing I would do would even before attempting to start the fire, would be to take inventory of every thing I had been given, everything in everyone's backpack and then proceed with that knowledge, knowing that you may creatively use something you have in a way it may not have been originally intended to be used. necessity is the mother of invention. Of course, if I suggested this I would be voted off in a quick heartbeat!! |
Joan | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 10:13 am   How exciting would it be if all of the contestants were wilderness survival experts? If they just got to camp, built a perfect shelter, took a stroll to get edible vegetation and then easily lit a fire, we'd be pretty bored with their "struggles." Then screwing up is part of the appeal of the show AND part of how they keep people signing up. Inevitably, someone is going to watch it and say "I could do 100x better than that!" and zip off their application which is just what CBS would love! I do think though that if I were to go on Survivor and if I knew where the destination was (do they know beforehand?) I would be reading up big time. Even if I didn't know where I would be going, I would be reading up on stuff like purifying water and starting fires. |
Realtvfan | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 01:22 pm   Aja, "I wonder if Boran has ever gone through their medical kit and found the monocular (or did they leave that behind too)?" That is too funny. Without any water [don't need that!] and any fire [see below], why worry about a medical kit. You will not be there very long. Clarence mentioned on the pay-feed that one of the girls dropped the fire stick given to them when walking along the route from the truck to their camp. I would have walked all the way back to the truck spot looking for that stick, but they didn't bother. I guess they were too busy doing something more interesting than eating and drinking water. Clarence also mentioned that Boran is losing the physical challenges by very little. Do you think the dehydration from lack of water might be slowing you down just a little? It has been known to do that. The older adults in Sambura appear to be getting their act together better than Boran. I don't mind rooting for people who do at least a little bit of thinking. The young ones in Sambura have very little clue what they signed up for. |
Joan | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 01:47 pm   I agree Realtvfan. What cracked me up was Carl (I think) talking about how he doesn't feel bad for strategising etc. because everyone knew what they signed up for and if they thought they signed up for a fun time roasting marshmellows with the YMCA, they were wrong and THEN Linsey whines about how she thought she was out camping with a bunch of friends. Such a perfect contrast. The only thing I worry about is...if the 3 young ones know they are going to be picked off, will they try as hard? I suppose it is in their best interest to keep their tribe winning so they can save themselves longer but I wonder if any of them would try to throw a challenge ala Will from BB2 as revenge? |
Kep421 | Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 04:42 pm   Aren't they staying at a park reserve? Isn't hunting prohibited in reserves? I don't think they will be hunting their own food if that is the case... |
Joan | Saturday, October 20, 2001 - 05:40 pm   Yup, I saw the CBS.com chat with Jessie and she said that it is some kind of national park or wildlife preserve and that it was illegal to hunt there. |
Misslibra | Monday, October 22, 2001 - 05:48 am   I think the reason they couldn't go back to get anything they left behind is for safety reasons. They can't just go walking away from the camp because of the wild animals that are lurking around. Clarence looks strong but he is no match for a Lion. No as far as I know Boran hasn't even looked in their medical kit, and even if they did they wouldn't have a clue!
GO SAMBURA GO!! |
Joan | Monday, October 22, 2001 - 09:54 am   Jessie talked about that too Misslibra. She said they were allowed to go back and get the rest of their supplies but that the trek to the camp was much much longer than it appeared on TV. No one wanted to walk all the way back to the supplies and all the way back to camp again. She also said that the map was pretty sketchy and that if they left trying to follow it back, there was no guarantee they would have found their stuff let alone found their way back to camp again. |
Realtvfan | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 06:45 pm   I was more than happy to root for Sambura tribe for a while, but not now. I'm now rooting for the team that threw away their water. Go Figure. We know that the 4 Generation Xers are not intelligent about where they are and what they need to do to survive, but the 40 somethings missed the boat bigger than I had ever expected. I never knew about the survival book given to both tribes until tonight. All of the 40 somethings should have known to read that book. There is no excuse for missing that on the part of the 40 somethings. I can understand that the generation Xers were too lazy to read. After all, "5th grade" is fun. Kent on BBII US was 40 something and he knew enough to read the rule book when in the house. Why didn't these 4 40 year olds know enough to read that book. I think the biggest disappointment for me was yelling out all the correct answers at the TV, (but Jeff wasn't counting my answers.) The 4 Gen Xers also eliminated a physically strong player. They still have 3 group challenges to go and 2 of them are scheduled to be physical challenges. These 4 Gen Xers have no planning skills at all. Don't be surprised if next week's immunity challenge is physical. Also, why were all 8 Sambura tribe members allowed to work on the SOS, (not that it helped). Jeff made certain to mention that for the luxury challenge they needed to plan for 2 people out of the immunity challenge. Also, This week it looks like the producers made the challenge the SOS message because they knew Boran had the dyes for the luxury item and Boran needed to win. That was excellent thinking on the part of Kim in Boran. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 07:03 pm   I am not sure it would have crossed the minds of the producers that the paint would be used in the SOS if they even remembered Kim had it. I suspect the challenge was planned for this day before it began. They had to hire the plane and secure the experts. 2 did sit out for the challenge. They just didn't mention it. I noticed Carl was out. |
Chippy | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 07:45 pm   I thought that was the lamest immunity challenge to date. An expert in SOS's. C'mon. And who in the world doesn't know that about a fricking tick? Oh, yeah, Carl. Lucky guess for the beadmaker. Sheesh. |
Mark13 | Thursday, October 25, 2001 - 09:19 pm   Didn't they do that same immunity challenge in Survivor 1? |
Kizz | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 07:02 am   Realtvfan, on the Early Show interview, Carl said he and another player did sit out, they were not allowed to help or even give their advice on what would work...and on Survivor 1 I believe it was a reward challenge (they got the box of Target stuff) |
Realtvfan | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 08:47 am   Kizz, Thanks, I missed that. |
Tntitanfan | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 12:58 pm   I am really intrigued about this "survival" book they got that told them the heart of some kind of palm tree got rid of worm infestation but didn't mention the difficulty of securing water and how to make fire. Was it called "Selective Survival Strategies?" |
Chippy | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 10:10 pm   Doesn't seem like anyone read it Tntitanfan. Maybe it did have some hints from heloise about water and fire. I didn't know they got a manual. Maybe they used it to wipe their butts. |
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