Archive through December 23, 2001

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Awareinva

Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 09:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Do you guys think that one picture from just after the merge with the immunity necklace (on a torch with a skull like Lex's) was a major spoiler? Maybe the guy wins all of the competitions- or lots and lots of them like Colby did!!! I hope not!!

Seamonkey

Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 09:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Boo hiss... at least they all got food and not
river water..

If Lex hadn't gotten immunity it would have been way more interesting, but.. Frank's gone and I'm bummed.

Sigh.

Egbok

Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 10:03 pm Click here to edit this post
OMG, where's my mind?? I completely forgot to watch S3 tonight!! Whaaaaa!!!

I'm blaming this on the holidays!! Bah-humbug!!!

The only good thing is that I actually voted Frank off in the SDP - my first ever win in that category!! Yippee!!

Resortgirl

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 04:10 am Click here to edit this post
Lex totally deserved to win the immunity challenge tonight and I'm so glad he did! I don't think he would have been voted out anyway but it was good to see him win.

I also can't believe that there isn't more of an uproar about the way Teresa voted, regardless if she had Franks blessing. If Lex had voted for Tom or Mamakim he would be castrated in here.

Nessietessie

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 05:54 am Click here to edit this post
Resortgirl, I agree, I am in an uproar
about Teresa voting Frank. It was very
underhanded, whether she calls it
strategic or not.
I think she and Momma Kim are very
phony, and not as nice as they are
portrayed.
Excuse any spelling errors, I am
typing fast and furious.

Resortgirl

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 06:10 am Click here to edit this post
No spelling errors Nessie!!!
Mamakim is NOT very nice and I think we may see that in living color very soon!

Crazydog

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 06:22 am Click here to edit this post
RG and Nessie, I disagree completely about Teresa. Someone posted a summary of Frank's chat on the Early Show, and he specifically said he told Teresa and Kim P to vote for him. He thought their chances of lasting longer in the game would be better if they distanced themselves from him. Once they failed in getting Kim J to vote for Ethan, he realized that their lack of numbers was a lost cause. He was thinking of others, and I don't see anything wrong with them abiding by his wishes. Why are you so angry with them? They were clearly broken up about it, both of them were sobbing. As Teresa walked back to her seat, she squeezed his shoulder, as a signal that she did what he wanted. I don't understand why you would think there should be more vehemence here. Frank knew he was going, there was nothing to stop that, and he wanted his friends to respect his wishes. It'd be like if someone who was terminally ill said cremate me when I'm gone and you go ahead and bury them.

Resortgirl

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 07:01 am Click here to edit this post
Teresa didn't need to vote for Frank to have him out, first of all. Secondly, if Lex had done that everyone would be freaking out! Regardless of his reasons for doing it. I just think the St. Teresa act is just that... an act. She is ruthless. Frank may be honorable in sacrificing himself for her but she is not.

Car54

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 08:06 am Click here to edit this post
Ok, time for my weekly reminder... this is a game-
these people are here to win a million dollars... the other players are not their real friends or family... and at some point EVERY player is eligible to be voted.

In reality, it made no difference to Frank's fate what Teresa and Kimp did. The Borans had decided and they had the majority. If T thinks voting Frank would help her, it really made no difference and Frank clearly understood that.

Personally I think it will seal her fate..if Kimj tattles to the guys like she did last week, they will do another Kelly on Teresa, and she is out.

Resortgirl

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 04:10 pm Click here to edit this post
Thank you Car for bringing me back to reality...LOL!
I guess I've stayed quiet through all the Lex bashing and I ran out of coffee this AM and am a bit cranky, so I am lashing out a bit...

I know it's a game and I could really care less who wins since it ain't gonna be me...but there is a bit of bias going on when I make one *little* comment about Teresa and it brings on the wrath of Teresa supporters. Anyhoooo.... I went and bought coffee so I should be better tommorrow morning...

Evilnurse

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 04:50 pm Click here to edit this post
I think Frank's fate was sealed win he didn't win ic. I was glad that Teresa tried to save him. But it was already a done deal. But I am now an ex-Teresa fan, I don't believe her vote against Frank will get her anywhere with the others. She should not have abandoned him for something that wasn't going to happen. ie that the others would now trust her more and include her in an alliance.

Lilliegirl

Friday, December 21, 2001 - 05:53 pm Click here to edit this post
Frank knew he was gone but for Teresa to vote him out was uncalled for, I sure would not want her for my best buddy. I think her time is almost up, and the same for KimJ, she will always stick with Tom,Ethan to keep her butt from being thrown off.

Llkoolaid

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 04:59 am Click here to edit this post
I was always a stong Frank fan and Theresa was somewhere in the middle. I don't have a problem with her or Kim voting him out because he said he discussed it with them and it was his wish. He knew he was going. I think they did it as a last ditch effort to get mamakim to align with them. They were clearly very upset having to do this. It is a game and I really don't have a problem with any of the conniving and lying that they do. Honesty doesn't get you very far in this game. I don't think there has been a more honest player in any of the survivor shows than Frank and he had a target on his back from day one.

Fruitbat

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 05:21 am Click here to edit this post
I agree Kool.

Urgrace

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 02:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay! But when Teresa's and little Kim's votes were unnecessary in getting Frank voted off, where is the strategy in that? Those were two 'free' votes that could have gone against someone else, giving another person a higher count at future TCs. Doesn't anybody ever think that far ahead?

For example: Tom has three votes and Lex has six. If they were in a tied vote situation, Lex's six votes would get him booted over Tom's votes. (This is just an example, not intended to mean they would be in that situation.) So if Teresa and little Kim had cast their two votes against someone else (like Ethan or even Kim J), Frank would still be gone, but the two votes would add up for the person they voted for and count against them in a tie situation at TC.

Kep421

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 03:12 pm Click here to edit this post
The strategy lies in the theory that by voting for Frank, Kimp and Teresa might be able to form a "sistership" with Kimj. The votes were designed to promote or prove Kimp's and Teresa's willingness to form an all female alliance with Kimj.

It really was the only strategy available to the remaining Samburu tribe members...

Whether it works or not, remains to be seen.

Wink

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 03:46 pm Click here to edit this post
But if by some miracle either one gets to F2 they will probably have Frank's vote and won't have pissed off a Boran. I don't really think Theresa feels she can trust KimJ anyway. It would be more strategic for Theresa and little Kim to align themselves with Tom and break up the boys. KimJ and Ethan are joined at the hip.

Gina8642

Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 05:22 pm Click here to edit this post
I think Teresa is doing great. She did the right thing by voting for Frank.

(On a side note: Resortgirl - this is a game and the discussions are supposed to be fun. You are acting like Teresa voted for a family member to be put to death; instead of the reality where she followed a stategy her "family member" encouraged her to take while playing a GAME. And then you go on to harshly accuse people on the boards for what their reactions might have been if the vote was different. What is up with that? I feel like I've been falsly accused of doing something. Icky feeling. At least wait until someone does something objectionable on here before putting them down for doing it. This is just supposed to a fun discussion.)

Stategy wise I think Frank's vote for KimJ can forseeably (if that is a word) have the most effect when there's only the final four at tribal council. Before this vote, if the vote went: two votes for Ethan, two votes for KimJ - they would have tied. Now, Ethan only needs two votes on any of the other three, and he makes it two final three. Tommy is probably good to partner him there. Either of those make it to Final four and they make it to final three.

Now it behooves KimJ to make a choice. Side with the women and be nearly garanteed to make it to final three. Side with her initial Boran allience and she may only make it to final four. (Even with all this, I will be very suprised if KimJ switches. But I sure will watch to see if it happens - making Mark B. happy I'm sure.)

Anyway, as a "Teresa supporter", I like her because she is working her little butt off to try to win this thing. Her chances are slim but she works and works it. She has never giving up, al la Amber in Survivor2.

Perhaps some of the Borans would have been that interesting and worked as hard on strategy, but they didn't have to. Those four have been allied pretty much since day one. Pretty boring stratgy to watch. It will probably win one of them the million bucks. But boring and slow to play out.

Resortgirl

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 05:29 am Click here to edit this post
<.but there is a bit of bias going on when I make one *little* comment about Teresa and it brings on the wrath of Teresa supporters. Anyhoooo.... I went and bought coffee so I should be better tommorrow morning... <
Gina,
Is this the post you are referring to when you say I "{harshly accuse people on the boards for what their reactions might have been if the vote was different.?

Gosh I didn't think that was harsh and I'm sorry if I made you feel icky.

I've been on this board for about two years and have really enjoyed the "interactions" with others. Lately though I have felt all but invisible...no one seems to respond to my posts, or engage me in conversation... until now, and this isn't exactly what I had in mind. So I';ll be going now. And no Gina it's not because of you. I've been thinking about how fun this is not anymore for a while and now seems like a good time to exit.

Adios all!

Kep421

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 07:02 am Click here to edit this post
I for one love to read your posts RG...

Please come back!!!!

(I'm sorry I'm such a lurker right now, but family ties prohibits little more than reading posts to keep up. I promise to do better after the holidays!!!!)

Weinermr

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 08:50 am Click here to edit this post
Resortgirl - You are a valued member of TVCH and you will be greatly missed if you go. I for one will miss you, and I know many others would too. Please reconsider.

I too have had unhappy experiences posting here, and have decided to leave more than once. But I keep coming back, and I'm glad I do every time. The good outweighs the bad by a huge margin.

Take care Resortgirl, and if you come back to reconsider, please stay!

Meme9

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 10:41 am Click here to edit this post
Resort, please stay!!! You are in titled to your opinion, the same as others. I too enjoy your posting and your fun comments. Sorry I've been busy with other things and haven't been here much. Like Weiner I've had an unhappy experience here too, but I got over it.
Differences in opinions is what make life interesting, if we all agreed on who to root for this would be a very boring site.

Stay Resortgirl!!!

Tksoard

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 10:49 am Click here to edit this post
Resortgirl, let me put in my 2 cents. I can't post in your folder because of the dam archieve deal again, but I did read the last page of messages to you. If you don't feel loved here, which I know we all love you, but if you don't, I suggest you read the last page in your folder. That should prove that you need to stay. I don't know if it's the season, or the weather, or what the deal is, but I have read where many of us are going through our own little (or big to us) hard times. I hope this will pass for you like I hoping it will pass for me. Please don't leave. We do need you here, and don't let anyone make you believe anything different!!

Urgrace

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 01:23 pm Click here to edit this post
NO NO, Please don't go, Resortgirl! I have been reading your posts since - what? the _beginning_ of tvch?

Chippy

Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 01:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Resortgirl,
You sure have a lot of fans. I, too, have enjoyed your posts. I've also reached the point of your last post a few times when I stated an unpopular opinion and got flamed for it. So, the choices were to give it up (really enjoy popping in so I hated to do that) or continue to say what's on my mind in spite of it. I chose the latter and that has worked for me. You can't really take any of this personally.

It's kinda funny, really. You can see posters sort of befriending one another, sticking together, bonding... whatever. When you attack ones opinion, they all come a swarming. You can feel like an outsider at times. That kind of stuff doesn't really bother me. I just like to read the boards and get everyone's take on the show and its contestants.

I'm with you on the St. Teresa thing. I think she can be as ruthless as anyone else. I do think she made the right decision to vote for Frank (with his blessing). Voting for someone who was staying on would not be smart when her vote didn't hurt Frank at all. He was doomed without her. No need to pee in her own backyard so to speak.

That said, I hope you'll stick around. Don't let anyone run you off.