Archive through October 12, 2001

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Grooch

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 08:30 am Click here to edit this post
I heard Jeff Probst on the radio this morning. One of the things I remember him saying was that the water is so polluted that you can't drink it without boiling it first.

He also mentioned that the first luxery challenge is for fire.

Does this mean that nobody can drink any water at all until they get the matches? (Nobody has been able to make a fire on their own yet.) How many days can a person go without water?

Awareinva

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 09:19 am Click here to edit this post
Last year they had to haul cans of good water to last them until they either won fire in the first challenge or got fire (torches) at the first tribal council. also I can't believe that these people didn't learn something from the last survivor and practiced making fire before going on the adventure. Last time Keith learned in theory but didn't ever try it out! LOL

Spunky

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 09:21 am Click here to edit this post
Well, they did try to make their own fire Down Under, remember?? They just couldn't. I bought fire sticks when I was in Australia and they didn't seem to be such a hard work as I saw them doing with that big saw system they had.

But I also saw a big fire in the Africa preview and so my guess is that they pretty well managed to make the fire and boil the water. They were all vaccinated against the two major diseases there, but still host Jeff seems to have lost a lot of weight on his way back from Africa.

I have to set the VCR, I have to set the VCR, I have to set the VCR... so maybe I won't forget this time.

Kstme

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 11:28 am Click here to edit this post
SPUNKY...SET THE VCR...Make sure it's not only set, but ON THE RIGHT CHANNEL AND TIME!

Grooch

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 11:32 am Click here to edit this post
I could be wrong, but it sounded like they will have a long trek to get fresh water, but that they have to boil that too, first.

I guess the water near them is so polluted that boiling it won't do any good. Yuck!

I hope I am wrong.

Grooch

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 11:47 am Click here to edit this post
Here's a paragraph from an interview w/ Jeff Probst.

JEFF: Water's a big factor because of what you just said. A, there's nowhere to go just to cool off and clean off. You can't go to a river or the ocean. Actually, the only water source there is are little tiny streams that sort of trickle. You can see here they have to get to the water, they then have to get a gourd or something, fill it up with water, bring it back to their camp, and within the first three days they have to figure out how to make fire so they can boil the water, because it's so polluted that if you drink it otherwise, you're in serious trouble. Even though they do manage, they get fire after the first Tribal Council, even after that, the water's still so bad that their stomach's in constant termoil. You can't even refresh yourself even in that sense.


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Awareinva

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 07:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Can you believe that these idiots actually dumped out two thirds of their clean fresh water? I mean, they knew that they would have to boil water after this was gone; and yet....IDIOTS....they dump out gallons of water on the ground. I bet they were sure regreting that decision later on. This team is not to bright!!!

Zed

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 07:43 pm Click here to edit this post
When I was in Nepal,our sherpas told us that boiling the water rids it of all parasites & bacteria making it very safe to drink. The locals and animals use the water for bathing,washing,waste-everything-no one in our group ever got sick from boiled water.

Aja

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 07:59 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay, I don't know them all well enough yet but in my shock at the water dumping I think I saw the name Kim (?)... the woman who suggested that the gourds and their water were too heavy to carry "there will be water when we get there" she said, "we need to pour out the water to lighten the load".
Just as in the first 2 shows, nobody had ever actually ~practiced~ making fire and the last one to make fire loses the first immunity challenge, right?
I love the show, this was a great one, but gheezers they're getting predictable! I'd love to see a show full of people who have actually learned from the past ones.

Judy

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 08:18 pm Click here to edit this post
I think it's great that Samburo made their own fire FINALLY a little ingenuity!
Jeez I am sitting there looking at the Jessi girl laying in the dirt with her glasses on waiting while the others rub stick together--HELLO- use you freakin' glasses !! - Didn't you ever read Lord of The Flies??!!!

Voyeur

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 09:24 pm Click here to edit this post
You'd think she would have watched BB on the first survivor do just that with *his* glasses.

The big mistake I've seen all the groups make is not putting the tinder right up next to the stick. They all keep trying to get a spark first to transfer to the tinder, but you need to have it right up there on the stick or you're never going anywhere.

Heyteach

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 09:33 pm Click here to edit this post
I have been surprised with every show that so many of these people waiting to go on a survival show apparently don't practice some of these skills first--especially making fire! I know I couldn't do it so I would be in the back yard before the ink was dry on my application. Also studying up on roots to eat, etc. The water situation here is really yucky--no wallowing about cooling off for these guys. They're going to be stinking grubby. I notice clothes are already looking bad. This place is too hot, too dry, too dirty! Too much reality.

Hippyt

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 10:08 pm Click here to edit this post
I pretty much agree,I mean they're doing immunity challenges on a beach!!! What's the fun watching people go thirsty and dirty,and get water out of a mud hole? It's not like one of them is really gonna get eaten by a lion.(although,wouldn't really bother me if it was Mark Burnett)
But that girl Kim ,I think,did remember how to make fire with a lens when she got the telescope. Gotta give her credit for that.

Chippy

Thursday, October 11, 2001 - 10:11 pm Click here to edit this post
I missed a couple of minutes. I had to get a drink.

Crazydog

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 08:29 am Click here to edit this post
Judy - Jessie's glasses looked like sunglasses. If they were not glass lenses, I'm not sure if plastic sunglass lenses would be able to start a fire.

Max

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 08:52 am Click here to edit this post
Yup, I was yelling at my TV when they dumped the water. What an idiotic thing to do! Don't any of these people watch the other seasons before going on this show? Seems like people who get chosen for this and BB and other shows haven't taken anytime to get familiar with what went on before, much less really think through what kind of situation they are going to be in.

Seems really dumb to plan on spending that much time in the African savannah without having done any research at all. "There will be water when we get there." What a stupid statement!

Grooch

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 08:52 am Click here to edit this post
I was thinking they were plastic because I rememeber MB saying that he was mad that BB from SI brought along a pair of "glass" glasses saying they were prescription and they weren't. He brought them along for the purpose of starting a fire. MB was mad that someone had fooled him.

So I am sure he checked to make sure there were no "glass" glasses.

Spunky

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 09:12 am Click here to edit this post
And those were the fire sticks I bought as a souvenir Down Under and they did work better than that saw system they even tried again in Africa.

I agree with Voyeur about keeping the tinder close by as soon as smoke starts, but I'm sure after a couple of times they'd become good fire makers...however, they won the fire too soon and so they will never become good fire makers and they won't survive in a "real" African setting.

About the water, no matter how much you boil it, it's the manner in which it is stored that could be unhealthy. With that heat and lack of sanitary containers it could very quickly turn into a heaven for germs.

No one got sick however (we would have heard about it) and the girl who was taken to the hospital I don't think it was for an acquired illness. Now host Jeff's mysterious loss of weight after he came back is still a mystery....

Webkitty

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 09:45 am Click here to edit this post
I agree about the water dumping, no wonder they were all dehydrated!
Fresh, drinkable water the the last thing I would have left behind.

Kittee3

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:20 pm Click here to edit this post
Awareinva - you must have been reading my mind and taking notes while I was watching yesterday :)
<<Can you believe that these idiots actually dumped out two thirds of their clean fresh water? I mean, they knew that they would have to boil water after this was gone; and yet....IDIOTS....they dump out gallons of water on the ground. I bet they were sure regreting that decision later on. This team is not to bright!!!>>

I just added one more thing.... I can't believe they didn't think to at least each drink as much as possible before dumping it. Anyone with basic survival skill will know that it is better to carry your water inside you (drink it) then to hoard it to avoid dehydration - if they didn't want to carry it they all should have had a deep long drink!!!!

Neko

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 04:12 pm Click here to edit this post
Stupid Stupid Tribe! I started to yell at the T.V and scared everyone away from me when they poured out the gourds of water. I wonder though, if they aren't aloud to learn survival skills *after* they find out they'll be on Survivor. Makes sense right? MB wouldn't want a tribe to have an unfair advantage....Hehehe

Realtvfan

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 04:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Neko,

I was screaming at the TV right along side you. Out of the 25 million people watching the show,
I'll bet only 8 of them (much less than one in a million) would have guessed that water was not their absolute number one issue. Period. This is Africa, not Atlantic City.

Together we now know the names of those 8 people.
OMG.

Mark Burnett said in interviews last year, he needed knowledgeable people to play SI, because it was brand new. This is proof positive that now Survivor is a franchise, knowledge is a hindrance to selection.

In numerous aspects SII was a lot dumber than SI. Now it is already a fact that SIII is dumber than SII. This is why Mark Burnett pays big bucks to screen all the applicants. Finding the one in a million takes time.

Natural selection in reverse.

Jeff Provost said in an interview last week, "after 3 minutes you will know it is the Survivor folks". I never would have suspected the water "trick" in a million years.

Neko

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 05:07 pm Click here to edit this post
Me neither RealtvFan...me neither........Maybe every year, it's MB's plan to get dumber and dumber people untill we have Survivor XV,
16 lizard contestants...Hehehe...By then, I wouldn't be watching anyway. We should get people from TVCH on Survivor 4. That, would be funny.

Realtvfan

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 05:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Neko,

Just put one of us from TVCH on Survivor IV.

You know (for Survivor IV) they should put any 12 year boy scout/girl scout on TV to watch the tapes and comment. Any boy scout/girl scout could sit and list all the mistakes made by these adults. All the things that they as 12 year-olds have been taught to do as part of their basic scouting education.

The problem is that we would need an entire second hour of the show each week to be able to let the scouts list and explain just half of the mistakes they find.

Storing water.
Using Rope.
Taking inventory of all your belongings.
Making shelter from the mid day Sun.
Playing with fire.
Clearing a fire area.
Cooking with pots in the outdoors over a fire.
Teamwork during the challenges.
Being a good lookout.
Identifying stars at night.
How to play well with others.

How to walk properly as a group in an unknown location.

How long to boil water. (It is 10 minutes, not 3 that Survivors have been discussing.)

How to properly disembark from the vehicle in a fast and orderly fashion without dropping your water. Subtitled: Pay attention.

How to read a map properly.
How to properly distribute food.
How to count to 1.
How to properly open a tin can with a knife.
When and how often to tell the truth. (Especially when there is a TV cameraman watching you 24/7.)

All of the above items are just from the Survivor 3 first episode and the real player paid-for feeds on the web site.

On second thought, the scouts might need 2 hours a week for their follow up show.

Neko

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 06:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Hahaha!Hilarious Real!!The best was "How to count to 1" I bet none of the Boran tirbe could do that!Hehehe