Archive through October 27, 2001

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Trinity

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 08:01 am Click here to edit this post
That is interesting that Boran has the same older/younger split but didn't split by age.

I am 42 and was getting sick of the older folks generalizing the younger people, however about Carl and his car, so what, he worked for it, he deserves it. Nothing wrong with that at all, hey if you sacrifice, study hard, go to school and become a dentist you too can have a nice car. I think some people want what they want without having to work for it.

Twiggyish

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 08:43 am Click here to edit this post
He didn't mention the money spent becoming a Dr. nor the insurance he surely has to pay.
Lindsey is far too smug. I hope she goes off next week.

Chippy

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 08:51 am Click here to edit this post
Exactly Twiggyish. Me too.

Kep421

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 09:40 am Click here to edit this post
And I believe it was Silas who started the whole "car" thing with Carl. He was trying to manuver Carl into talking about his relatively "rich" lifestyle, which in the Gen X's opinion makes him ineligible to win the prize. Silas goaded him, and Carl took the bait. And all because Frank played the game and tried to form an alliance?

What hogwash!! These youngsters would have had a different opinion if they had been told they could not participate in something because others felt they didn't need it.

The whole split between the younger and older people got started because of laziness on the youngster's part. They didn't want Frank telling them what to do, but they weren't doing anything on their own either. While others were ensuring the camp, these kids were talking personal issues and making bead necklaces. It could be editing, but I have yet to hear any of the young ones say "what can I do to help?" All I hear out of them is complaints and whining. Come on, give me a break!!

Another problem is plain communication. Because the older people wanted to get water early in the morning (which makes sense to me because it is cooler then), the younger ones thought they were trying to tell them when to get up. Did any of the young ones ask why it was important to get the water so early in the morning? Nope, they just decided to "get even" by cooking breakfast and then "pig out" and eat it all themselves. How childish and self centered can you get?

Sorry, the show last night really irked me no end. I'm sorry Carl got kicked off, but he lost fair and square. I think it will come back to bite Samburo in the butt later on.

I was very happy to see Boran win IC and RC. I enjoy watching them work as a team, even if they don't particularly get along. It seems like all the more mature people are in Boran. JMO

Guinevere

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 09:54 am Click here to edit this post
The younger group is perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. But why should they, when their enemies are doing it for them?

The older group created the split by plotting rather obviously against the younger group. I'd be pretty put out myself if I were Kim, Brandon or Lindsey.

I just can't stand the sanctimonious judgementalism of Frank and Carl. Linda annoyed me from the get-go. Theresa has approximately as much personality as a shrub, so far.

Re Carl's wealth: I don't have any problem with him working for and having nice things. But his fake-modest bragging was revolting. Yuck. I'm glad he's gone.

Twiggyish

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 10:23 am Click here to edit this post
In this case, I would have completely ignored the younger adults. If they wanted water, let them go get it. If they want to sleep in all day and not try to help, let them. When they suffer without food or water, then they will realize their mistakes. I think the older ones were being generous with them. They are old enough to know how to do these things. If they don't know, they can learn. These aren't teenagers.
Either that, or set up a schedule of duties and let each person have a chance. This would eliminate the resentment felt by the older ones.

Mindyrama

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 10:48 am Click here to edit this post
I don't like anyone in the Samburu tribe. Both the 'young group' and 'old group' are just plain rude...frankly the old ones were the ones who started the plotting. You can say the young ones are lazy, but lets say ,for example, that Jared (my boyfriend) gets up to do the dishes, the dished that I planned to do later on, but he gets to them first then starts acting all high and mighty because HE'S the one doing the dishes...I mean, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to be jumping in an offering to help with that attitude. The old ones piss me off with that stuff. If I had to be around Frank all the time, I'd hide in the tent too! If they want to do all the work, then fine...they take control of everything, then complain cause the young ones don't help..Whatever!
Perhaps it's because I belong to Gen.X and I am just a lazy slacker....

Having said that...the youngs ones are rude too and sometimes lazy...but now that Carl is gone..the old ones are going to get picked off one by one...that was their own doing!

I like the Boran tribe...they don't seem as petty or coniving. I was soooo happy they won all the comps last night..they deserved/needed that.

Fruitbat

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 11:58 am Click here to edit this post
I don't find anyone on Samburu compelling but it is too early for me to tell. I am not willing to write off the youth as being lazy at all.

If the entire team were young, chores would get done. They may begin later in the day but I don't see starting everything at dawn as anything more than early rising vs sleeping later.

The older group was condescending and rightous. I am not sure I would waited to eat either! Remember when you were in your 20's? It was infuriating to have adults boss and critize. They have no right to decide what is the correct order of business. Different ages have different approaches and all can learn from each other.

Making neclaces was a fun, bonding activity that probably did not take very long. I see no harm in pausing to have some light hearted activity.

And above all.........we are seeing a story unfold that is nudged by editing. We are being manipulated. I think we will see the tables turn and turn again.

Mssilhouette

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:14 pm Click here to edit this post
I really didn't care much for the Saburu tribe anyway. Frankly that whole dramatic setup at tribal council was overdone. As if no one could count, obviously it was going to be a tie then another tie.

I think the young folks will pick off the old people one by one now and then when its just the young folks left they're going to have merge with Boran and that'll be something to watch!! That goat farmer isn't gonna take nicely to those kids.

Frankly the blonde chick told Linda to go away when she asked if she was okay. That's when Linda made her comments about her not being the strong one. I thought Lindsy was pretty stupid to be kicking the tree in that kind of heat. She wore herself out and then cried like a baby because "I'm never in any pain!" what the hell was that about. I mean what this woman has never had a cramp before? Please.

That whole cooking and pig out was pretty darn childhish but that's to be expected. I want to see how they all get along when the old folks are gone and they have to get water and cook and generally take care of themsevels.

The older folks did make a mistake trying to align themselves with Silas too early. And for talking about their plans to kick the young ones out.

I'm waiting until it gets rough for the Samburu tribe the same way it was rough for the Boran.

Anyone notice how the Boran seem to have very little vegitation around them but Samburu seems to have plenty? I was wondering about that. Also their water source seems to be a bit cleaner.

One more thing, its not about the youngsters being Gen X'ers. These 3 (not counting Silas) were complaining from day 1 and wasn't one of the girls talking about her period when they first hiked to their camp. The other girl (or it might be the same one) said she wanted to talk and socalize when work clearly needed to be done. I mean c'mon, her reason for going on Survivor was to "have fun and relax" LOL Maybe she thought she was trying out for Temptation Island and got lost.

ALso with Linda and the Mother Africa thing...well, frankly if you don't respect the land you're on the land will eat you alive. She knows this but she is a bit overboard on the spirts deal. I still like her though and her comments about Lindsay were a priceless moment.

Chippy

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 02:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Right on Mss! Brandon and Lindsey and the other one have been complaining since they got off the bus. And, I guess I was watching a different show. I heard the older folks ask if anyone wanted to go fetch water or if they wanted to cook. Brandon had no problem with that. Of course it's sensible to trek for water in the early morning. Duh. What's the big whoop about getting up early- what the hell else do they have to do. It's not a jr. high pajama party. They're fricking in the jungle. Linda offered to help Lindsey and she was rude to her. I'd have told her to kiss off too.

They're gonna cut their noses off to spite their faces. I say, have at it. Go Boran. Beat the toddlers.

Kep421

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 02:39 pm Click here to edit this post
I still say those 4 young people are more condescending and judgmental than their older tribemembers. Yes, the older group was first to decide to start forming alliances. That's what this game is about. But the 4 younger members decided this action was morally wrong and outrageous and they were going to punish these "old people", for their arrogance of starting alliances first. The older group's biggest mistake was trusting Silas and thinking he was more mature. WRONG!!!

If they had a problem with how Frank or Carl were trying to organize the camp, they should have called them on it and offered alternatives. Instead they chose to sit around, do nothing and complain. They definately have a bad case of "me-itis".

They are not proactive and have very negative attitudes. I still say they started the split by acting like teenagers at home with Mom to cleanup after them all day, instead of acting like the adults they pretended to be when they signed up for this gig.

They are not taking any on responsibilities and they in no way see how they themselves contributed to the breakdown of the tribe. I can't wait to see them on their own when they turn on each other...

GO BORAN!!!

Voyeur

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 02:56 pm Click here to edit this post
I think Silas did the right thing from the perspective of his own survival. I mean, come on, you're in a tribe of eight, and an alliance of four approaches you to be the fifth? Helloooo! Fifth wheel is more like, one vote and you're now unneeded.

The olders made a mistake in showing their alliance so soon. They should have stayed friendly with the youngers, and tried to get Silas' vote against Lindsay or Brandon on the weakness issue. They could have had two of their number approach Silas on the matter and asked his "help" in talking to and approaching the other two so that he would not know they were all together.

Crazydog

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 03:12 pm Click here to edit this post
Voyeur, I saw that your post to TBear over at Amazing Race got deleted, what happened? Did you and TBear make nice?

I agree, the problem is that they were so open about their alliance at a time when the other 4 could still get together and do something about it. This is part of why, unfortunately, I have found Survivor 3 to be so boring. The first Survivor was a novelty and no one but the Richard, Rudy, Susan and Kelly knew about the alliance. As Colleen said, "we had no idea, we were just having fun". That's why it was so interesting - don't you all remember how hilarious it was watching Colleen and Jenna figuring out that something was up? Survivor 2, they knew they had to form alliances but weren't so open about it. Now by the third time, we have alliances from the get go.

I am not condoning the behavior of the four younger ones, but think about how you would feel if the four older ones made it pretty clear there was this alliance and you weren't in it. If I thought they were simply going to pick me off, my incentive to work really hard would also diminish. Given the fact that the older ones formed this alliance almost immediately to the exclusion of those they didn't like, I thought it was EXTREMELY hypocritical for "mother goddess" Linda to whine about "where's my necklace". She made it clear she didn't want them in her group, and now she complains they didn't ask her to join theirs? If Lindsey remains in the game, Linda will be out next week.

Voyeur

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 03:47 pm Click here to edit this post
No, I guess a moderator deleted it.

The Gen X'ers alliance going down is just like the Chill Town alliance in BB. The Chill Towners made the same mistake of not keeping their alliance hidden until they could control the voting.

Car54

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 04:47 pm Click here to edit this post
A couple of things to think about with the Samburu split:

There are rumors of Lindsay leaving and being hospitalized...here leaving would make the numbers even again.

The merge is coming...there are older people on Boran to bond with, AND at least two possible future mall brats...so the whole group could re-shift again.

In S1&2, post merge things stayed aligned along original tribe lines, but if the original tribes don't bond, there may be a totally different dynamic.

Also remember, if the brats flush off the stronger players, they are reducing the threat of the stronger players (playing for individual immunity). Before the merge, being weak is dangerous, after the merge, being strong can be dangerous...the weak will vote you off as a threat.

I think we have more to see with Silas (as said above) He actually did the smartest thing for himself, if he was with the older group, he would not have any power or say. He can be the leader in the young group, and I agree, I am not sure their failure to pitch in is all laziness...why work if others will do it for you?

They may not be as stupid as the elders think..remember E1 when Frank and the others were killing themselves for fire, and Kim and Silas used their brains and used the telescope to get it fairly easily.

This whole "group" thing may become very interesting when the merge happens, or even if the split into 3 groups happens. ,

I agree with several posters above, I don't particularly like the young people, but I am not ready to write them off...they may be playing a smart game...a lot of what will happen depends on sheer LUCK.
Personally I never really get into the show until the merge... there are too many people and you really can't get to know them in the crowd. I like it when the players are playing for THEMSELVES after the merge...thats when you can really get to know people and judge them better.

Kitt

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 05:32 pm Click here to edit this post
I wondered if tonight's thing with Lindsay was the start of the rumour about her being hospitalised? Just an idea.

And there are also rumours that when the two tribes merge, three new ones will be formed. If that was true it would change everything.

Madelane

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 05:34 pm Click here to edit this post
Question about the preview for next week - when they showed Boran confronting the ram or whatever it was, I swear they looked like they were coming back from getting water. They had a stick with the gourds hanging from it on their shoulders. Why would they need to get water with all their fresh water they won? Or is the editing out of order?

Kitty

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 06:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Madelane, I noticed that too. Maybe they have decided to keep the fresh water only for drinking and not for bathing, etc. If that were the case, then they would still haul water to boil for bathing, etc.

Muse

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 06:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Kitt - Actually the rumor about Lindsey being hospitalized has been around since before the show started. Supposed she was spotted in a hospital in Kenya in August, when the show would be filming. But there's no real proof, so... :)

As for Silas - I think he did the best thing for him at the time. It's better to be in a tight alliance of four than the fifth member of an alliance that just brought you in because they needed an extra vote. But it might not help him all that much later on if some of the "old folks" are upset enough to join up with Boran at the merge, just to get rid of the younger people. I would think that Silas would be seen as a big threat after the merge, and might even be the first to go. At the very least, there will be one older person left at the merge. I think both Frank and Linda would be willing to join up with Boran. I'm not sure about Teresa.

And Madelane - interesting observation. I didn't even think about that. Maybe they're continuing to boil water so they can bathe a little bit? I don't know.

I think Linda will be the next to go from Samburu since she's not good at biting her tongue. And by the way - everyone says that Lindsey's the one who told Linda to go away when she saw Lindsey dehydrated. But I thought it was Kim...I'm assuming I was wrong, yes? Just checking. :)

Donut

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 10:53 pm Click here to edit this post
larissa, someone else commented about the paints( i think its in an archive, up top, from Thursday)
and they said that it was suspicious that CBS made this the challenge, knowing that she had paints, and that maybe it was set up to give Boran an advantage. hmmm...

Guinevere

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 11:00 pm Click here to edit this post
Muse, it was Lindsey who told Linda to go away (I think, anyway). I didn't think it was rude. Lindsey knew at that point that Linda was no friend of hers and would only gloat to see her in her weakened state (which Linda did to the camera in the very next shot. Not so spiritual, Linda). I admired Lindsey for not reacting to Linda's phony concern with phoniness of her own.

Car54

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 04:11 am Click here to edit this post
The title of episode 5 is "TWIST". I think that maybe that is where something happens to change things again.

Fruitbat

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 04:49 am Click here to edit this post
The water was to be delivered the next day. It did not come back with them right afer the challenge.

Kep421

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 05:27 am Click here to edit this post
Everyone thinks that the older group approached Silas to propose an alliance. But according to Carl (as posted on another thread) in a post production interview, it was Silas who approached them first and it was edited out.

If its true, if Silas approached them first and then turned on Carl & company like that, it kinda puts a whole new spin on Silas, doesn't it?

I think Silas is the one to watch...

Car54

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 11:05 am Click here to edit this post
The other thing about the water is: didn't they get 100 gallons?
I use bottled water at home for drinking, live alone, don't live in 100 degree African heat, and I average 3/4-1 gallon of water a day! (Don't drink soda or other drinks much.)

That means what they have will only supply 3 members for the whole stay left or they will still need to supplement or ration the fresh water for some things!