Archive through December 09, 2001
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Archive through December 09, 2001
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:17 pm   I definately read Joans posts each week. I am curious to know just what Brandon said and where in the time frame he said it. That is the tricky part. I am leery of the brilliant strategy theory just now. I think it conceivable that he would have to come up with a reason after the fact and that may be what is seen on the clip. |
Yuhuru | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:19 pm   I still don't think Brandon's plan was brilliant. First of all, Lex is pretty darn good in mental and physical challenges. He could win immunity often. They should have gotten him when they had the chance. As far as Kelly switching back to Boran potentially after getting rid of Lex, there's no way anyone in Boran would have trusted her to let her come back. The samburus plus Kelly could have knocked all of original Boran off, then they could have gotten rid of Kelly. (Unless she was sandbagging) she sucks at all of the challenges. So the potential of her getting immunity was slim. I think Brandon blew it. As far as Kelly wanting to be the snake, I don't think she's the only one who dislikes Lex. CBS only showed her bad mouthin' Lex because they knew she was gettin' the boot. He's got to be pissin somebody else off too. regarding Ethan not being smart by winning both challenges. He's fine. He's so overly likeable I don't think you'll muster up enuff votes to oust him. Remember Clarence wasn't only booted because he was a threat. they also did not like/trust him very much. He also had no alliances. Ethan is very allied. |
Car54 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:26 pm   Spear posted it in this thread last night. To me it really doesn't matter if he had a fully fleshed out plan. With Lex, the best he could do is final 5 and be the first one off after they boot all the Sams and Kelly. And it really doesn't matter if Lex wins challenges... first of all in the preview it shows that once he thinks Brandon betrays him he gets kind of nutty...not too conducive to playing well. But even if he wins next week. They take Tom instead. At that point they are the majority. As emotional as Lex is, he will not be stable enough to do a full immunity run like Colby. Eventually he will go. With Samburu if he can mend his fences, he is sure of final 4. For 2 years I have seen players stick with their teams, pass up strategic opportunities to play the safest way. What I am applauding is- he saw an opening and he took his shot. Bravo. I suspect there is many a turn to go yet. Much more entertaining than the past season. The other thing is... other players may keep him thinking they would rather go up against Brandon- who they think is not liked- than a popular player. That image served Keith and Rudy really well and at F3, you make good money for a 20 year old bartender. |
Britchick | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:33 pm   Another important thing that's getting missed sometimes when talking about Brandon's strategy or lack of strategy is that, if he had taken the other option and voted with Samburu to get Lex off, Kelly would have had 4 votes against her (from L/E/T/KimJ) *plus* she doesn't seem as strong at challenges so they could have picked her off any time. They didn't need Lex to have 6 votes in order to vote him out. Since the only former Samburu who has votes against him (F) only has 1, Samburu could win in a 4-4 tie against either Lex (when he still had only 2), Tom (who has 3 I think) or Kelly with 4. I'm confusing myself but do you see what I mean? Same overall results - one Boran threat gone (Lex) and one neutralised by getting votes (Kelly) but this way Brandon doesn't have to alienate his alliance members (until a later date possibly). It might make the game more interesting right now but it made no real sense for Brandon's own personal survival. That's just what I think though, and obviously there's stuff we don't get to see so there may be more reasons why this was a better move in the long run.... |
Car54 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:39 pm   Exactly, Britchick! You totally got it. I am not saying anything about whether or not Brandon will win- too much can happen yet, but he bought himself time. If he stays with Boran, he is 5th out, or maybe sooner if the Sams pile him up with votes and orchestrate something else... But he is truly playing the game....that is what I am admiring about the last episode. I spent the last 2 seasons yelling at players who missed their chances... and watched them get pagonged. This guy knew exactly his odds, and he took a chance and I really like that! |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:40 pm   I agree that Brandons move has made the show more interesting. I don't see it as brilliant at all though. Not for his own longevity. He is in trouble now. Deep trouble. Which is fine. Just observing. |
Britchick | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:46 pm   Fruitbat, "Which is fine". Can't disagree with that. I will have no problems with Brandon's departure myself. |
Car54 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:47 pm   I guess we'll see next week. I think next week will be a very tense week. If you look on CBS- the clues this week are: *The tribe reacts to Brandon's decision. *An unlikely date is on the minds of many (I have seen 2 titles for this episode- "Dinner, A Movie, and a Betrayal" and "We are Family") *A tribe member breaks down in tears over a critical decision that has to be made. Sounds juicy to me! |
Moondance | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:49 pm   I agree Bat... no brilliance... just a sheep |
Britchick | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:50 pm   Car54, I do definitely take your point about him playing the game and taking risks. Much more interesting when these little twists and turns keep you guessing. What I still can't comprehend is why, during the voting on the show, they chose to show Brandon casting his vote? It totally ruined the suspense and ususally they show you everyone's vote *except* the potential swing voters. Very odd. |
Kep421 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:02 pm   I agree Britchick, when I saw Brandon's vote I immediately thought, OMG SOMEONE ELSE VOTED LEX OUT!!! because they never show the deciding vote during the voting process. I was thinking that some of old Boran had turned on Lex... They actually had me going for a second or two. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:07 pm   I with you both on that one. No suspense. Could Ethan be the one crying because they are voting Lex off!!!!???? {telling self this is ludicrous and born of blind optimism} |
Car54 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:09 pm   Britchick, honestly I don't know and won't know til we see next week. Having read a lot of speculation, if I had to guess, I think Brandon did not decide until he cast his vote. That may be why he didn't confide in the others-to leave himself room to change his mind until the final minute. In terms of why- there is money involved. I don't know the increments, but I read that Rudy in S1 got 80,000, then Kelly W more, then Rich the million. If Brandon was the fifth from last he gets something. By improving his standing 1 space he probably made $10,000. This is of course based on the idea that the Samburus take him back, and they are the final four. Lots of things could happen before that, but if they follow his idea, he made a bit more money and for someone his age, that matters. I read where Lindsay said the reason she was trying to stay to the merge was not for pride, it was because compensation increases significantly at that point. Fruitbat, I was wondering if it was maybe Tom who cries- in the preview, he says he is worried about Lex's standings and stability (don't remember the exact words, sorry). The made a pledge to each other in E1. If, for self preservation he has to let Lex down, I could see it moving Tom to tears. |
Britchick | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:10 pm   Go now and read Kelly's chat if you haven't already. She didn't know until the very end that it was Theresa who was Lex's "rat"! That means probably Lex doesn't know next week either. Interesting.... Plus, shame on Lex for never apologising. |
Car54 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:13 pm   Britchick, several booted players have said that Lex is the person they have not stayed in touch with. I think we all thought it was because he went so far, but maybe it is because he was a jerk. |
Britchick | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 02:19 pm   You could be right, Car54. What an idiot - he looked set to go far at the beginning! |
Wink | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 04:03 pm   >>>>I think we all thought it was because he went so far, but maybe it is because he was a jerk<<< Jerk works for me Car54. Britchick is right. He seemed reasonable and likeable until his "who voted for me meltdown" and almost a sure thing for final 2. |
Car54 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 05:20 pm   Just a thought- IF Brandon did plan this all (not saying he did) another reason he might not tell the Samburus- 1. He votes Kelly off- they take off a Boran, but no Samburu incurs ANY votes, only Boran players get voted this week. 2. If he acts alone- Kelly is on the jury-she doesn't hold it against T/F/Kp- it is all Brandon. (unselfish, probably not true, but a good excuse if he needs one!) 3. If he doesn't tell the Sams, he can pretend to still be with Boran for the next 3 days, THEN re-defect, let them know the plan at the last second, vote LEX off, and Brandon STILL has no votes against him. Someone, probably Frank if B has any influence, gets the votes from L/E/T/Kj. Pretending to stay Boran explains Kimp being so upset in the preview. Oh,in the Insider Brandon really HATES Frank. Calls him an a*hole, c****er, lots of bad stuff. Also, Kelly says the Borans know about Frank's vote. |
Gina8642 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 05:27 pm   About who cries. I think it will be Brandon. I wouldn't read to much into his crying in the long term, but he already has showed a tendency to tear up in emotionally tense situations. (Linsey's kick out vote) It doesn't effect him in the long term though. (Bad-mouthing Lindsey immediately after the vote.) |
Car54 | Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 01:38 am   \Insider transcript Trying to do a link here- Here is an early posting of Insider transcripts for this week. Some juicy stuff.
WOO HOO, MY FIRST LINK!!!!!! |
Car54 | Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 01:52 am   Amazing conversation between L&E on outing Kelly, Lots of nasty from B about Frank, WOW, the mallrats have LOTs to say about Silas. |
Car54 | Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 03:58 am   According to Kelly, Brandon spent the whole night before TC playing on Lex's paranoia, feeding him info about Kelly's defection. He really did set the whole thing up- Lex did not approach Brandon, Brandon led him all the way. Wow. |
Moondance | Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:45 am   No Lex approched Brandon and then Brandon jumped on the band wagon and fed the fire... I am going by the order they showed it on the show... Brandon was wearing something diffent when Lex approuched him than what he wore the day before TC |
Car54 | Saturday, December 08, 2001 - 06:57 am   Interesting that in the insider, Kelly admits she got Clarence to vote for Lex. So technically she is partially guilty of him getting a vote! |
Smileeys | Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 03:13 am   But Moon, I recall Brandon coming up to Lex and saying he overheard Kelly saying something suspicious but now that I am typing I can't remember what it was! But it looked like to me that Brandon was working Lex first. Not that it really matters |
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