Which tribe got the best bargain after the switch??

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Realtvfan

Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 10:09 am Click here to edit this post
Spunky etc...

I disagree about the relevance to Boran getting weaker. Any team that has Brandon as one of the males is still always just plain physically weaker. Tom's own comment. Now we have "4 girls."

I still believe that the order of the Immunity challenges (physical vs mental) is a day to day decision based on the dynamics of the tribe and who is in each tribe. MB wants this to be competitive. Once Boran made the internal decision to throw the next immunity challenge last week, MB decided to make it a mental challenge. Saving the physical challenge until Boran had to win. That keeps the teams close to even. Boran will still very easily win any teamwork physical Immunity challenge where others can cover for MammaKim. Watch to see if MB protects MammaKim in the next physical immunity challenge. Just like MammaKim was protected in the house challenge, but not the food challenge with the net.

Lindsey proved for me beyond a reasonable doubt that she does not know how to carry the physical load for Brandon. You cannot effective carry a "house" with your face. Lindsey was also close to useless rolling the heavy rock. No one on Samburu at the time was there to help her. Twice Brandon has been voted out of physical challenges in favor of girls by Samburu.

Beachcat, I have to give credit to others for "Sambrats". I am nowhere near that creative.

Lilliegirl

Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 07:06 pm Click here to edit this post
LUVMOM, you are right I looked at the tape again, sorry. I really like Ethan but he seems to want to vote off all the strong men and to me Ethan is not all that strong, just like he is trying to keep mammakim but if they have a hard challenge she is not up for it then she will have to go she just got lucky when they changed the tribes and they blew it to get Silas off.

Joan

Sunday, November 11, 2001 - 09:02 pm Click here to edit this post
It's hard to say who has the better deal. It all depends on the factors you consider in making at determination. The old Samburu people obviously get a better camp and clean water and for Frank and T, a second chance. Silas though, got voted out when he could have made it quite far had he stayed. Lex, Tom and Kelly get a crappier camp but, if they can figure out Lindsey has votes, they may have just found themselves a sure way to get further in the game.

So...I think Frank and T were the most lucky right off the bat but we shall see what happens from here on out as far as voting goes.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 12, 2001 - 06:16 am Click here to edit this post
Strategy has now shifted. I am not convinced that voting off Silas and Clarence next is a bad move for Boran. It is true they are leaving the team weaker but a merge is in the immediate future and they are thinking about just how many of their alliance will be there. It is about numbers of allies now. Also when the team merges and immunity is an individual challenge you don't want the stronger ones around.

Clarence will side with the 3 youth on Samburu making a solid alliance of 4. Had they kept Silas in would have been 5.

The snafu here is just when is this merger taking place.

If Samburu gets rid of Lindsay this week the merge would have:

Lex, Ethan, Tom, Mamakim and Kelly on one team

Theresa and Frank on another.

Brandon, Kim and Clarence on the third.

That is looking pretty good for Boran even if they loose this week and vote Clarence off they enter the merge strong in numbers with some of the strongest threats for individual immunity gone.

Kep421

Monday, November 12, 2001 - 07:20 am Click here to edit this post
I personally think there will be 2 more TC's before the merge. I believe they will merge when there are 8 members left, not nine. In the past, they haven't merged with an uneven number of people, but I'll admit that anything is possible.

If I'm right and there are two more TC's before the merge, who do you think are the two most likely to be voted off before the merge?

If Samburu loses both IC's I think it will be Lindsey first and Brandon second. If Boran loses both IC's, I think it will be Clarence first and possibly MamaKim second. If Samburu and Boran both lose one IC each, I think it will be Clarence and Lindsey who will be voted off.

Boy, there are just so many variables right now, its difficult to be sure what is going to happen. Aint it great?

Joan

Monday, November 12, 2001 - 02:46 pm Click here to edit this post
I wouldn't count on T and Frank being alone as an alliance. It really looks like MamaKim has bonded with T and Ethan has said a few times that he doesn't see Frank as a threat at all. I wouldn't be surprised if Frank and T hook up with Ethan and Kim. Once Lex sees that Frank is not the demon he has been hearing about, he may come around with Tom and Kelly. Frank also mentioned that he planned to "jump the fence" at the merge. I would not be surprised, however, if T and Frank have a Colby and Tina thing going on where they make a larger alliance but are really true only to one another in the end.

Llkoolaid

Monday, November 12, 2001 - 05:29 pm Click here to edit this post
Fruitbat, I agree 100% with what you said, that is what I tried to say back a few posts. The people on the old Boran are in total control and will all be there for the merge.

Kep421. I can't see any of the original Boran (minus Clarence) being kicked off. The first to go on the new Boran is Clarence and I think the second will probably be Theresa or Frank. Ethan and MamaKim are going to look out for the original Boran. That was obvious by them losing the challenge. On the new Samburu, the first to go will be Lindsay because they are going to find out that she has votes against her (MamaKim may be slow but she is smart and will pass that info on to the others) and then Kim, Brandon is the one they dislike the least.

It is so obvious to me that this is how it is going to play out that I can't even think of another way. It can't be that simple, what am I missing.

The only other possibility that I can think of and it is very remote is that Frank and Theresa will realize that when the teams merge that the original Boran will have no more use for them and they will team up with Clarence and hold the power in the new Boran, should they lose the next immunity it is very possible that those three will get rid of Ethan and when the merge comes, I think I remember that Clarence and Kelly have an agreement, at least in their dislike of Lex. That would give them 4. How everyone else would align I can't even guess. Now that could get interesting.

Lilliegirl

Monday, November 12, 2001 - 06:26 pm Click here to edit this post
I think everybody has good answers. Llkoolaid I think Kelly likes Lex by now since they were thrown in with sambrats, I am just waiting for Lindsey to go but if she doesnt can you see her with Borans, they will have her butt out before she even knew she was there. oh well waiting on Thursday.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 05:31 am Click here to edit this post
Kool....interesting thought that Frank and Theresa will have to align with Clarence and the brats to have any longevity. Switching teams was an excellent twist.

I guess I have not been paying close attention and I missed last weeks episode so did not realize that Kelly did not like Lex. She had better start loving that guy and prove it to him!

Tntitanfan

Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 07:06 am Click here to edit this post
I think that the info that Kelly (and Clarence) did not like Lex came from the summary of the "extra" footage that Judy posts for us. At least that is how I remember it - not that that is anything wonderful to go by!!

Lilliegirl

Tuesday, November 13, 2001 - 08:21 pm Click here to edit this post
Tntitanfan that is where I got it to, I did not see it on the shows and I have not missed any.