Archive through January 02, 2002
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Archive through January 02, 2002
Gina8642 | Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 12:03 pm   Lex, of course, is leading the race. Bummer, bummer, bummer. I have to remember I am being manipulated by MarkB et al to dislike Lex. Otherwise I would be really bummed right now..... |
Car54 | Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 12:26 pm   Yeah, I think it is between Lex and Ethan from the pictures- but you are right, we are shown what they want us to see. The end could be something totally different. Notice Kim is not shown at all! She is probably stuck at the start line. Note: on the Teresa injury rumor: if she DID get hurt and was removed, it would certainly prove the Diane's friends spoiler, and Carl's leak. Hmmmm. |
Weinermr | Sunday, December 30, 2001 - 12:31 pm   That would leave the famous three tribe theory as the only unfulfilled spoiler. |
Gina8642 | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 11:46 am   I fully expect Mark B to try to fake us out. But Ethan or Lex will win immunity. Teresa and KimJ will get pagonged, and the chummy three will go at it. Then it all depends on the final immunity. From there I can't tell. Any promises made between these three have been carefully hidden from us. If MB says this will be a satisfying win - then I guess I'd go with Ethan. To me the votes aren't certain. I think all the jury hold alot of affection for all three of these men. Lex included. MB has gone out of his way to show every unpleasant thing that guy ever did out there. I learned long ago not to hold my friends bad moments against them. If I did, I would have no friends. (What I mean by that is that no one is perfect - everyone puts their foot in the their mouths once in awhile. Some more then others. It doesn't make them evil. Just human.) I give each of these three one in three odds of winning. Maybe I'll know more after Thursday's show. |
Car54 | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 12:02 pm   I just wonder how seriously the jury takes all this. In S1, they seemed to make a last minute decision. I wish they would tell more about why they pick who they pick. I agree it looks like curtains for the women left. I have speculated about a million ways they could have saved themselves, but nooooooo! I read an opinion on another board that feels right to me. Teresa says herself she is a very driven person. She jumped into a doomed alliance, and has been pushing hard ever since, but the luck of the tribe she was in, and that early alliance choice have dogged her every step of the way. Kimj is in the game for the adventure, and to prove a 57 yr old grandma can make it. She is married to a well-to-do man, and the million is not really a motivation. Her speech to Kelly about not liking the way she played the game tells a lot- I think she is here to see that the players she thinks "deserve" to win are in the F3. She is a facilitator. I don't know, but maybe that would explain why she has passed up opportunities to better her final position. |
Llkoolaid | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 04:39 pm   I was looking at those pictures and they looked a lot like other challenges that they have already done. Some of the shots look very familiar and I even think you can see Clarence in one of them. There are two men behind a rock, who are they, one of them looks like Clarence. It just looks like a bunch of shots of the other challenges at differant angles. Would someone else please look them over again and see if anyone sees the same stuff I do. Maybe I am wrong, someone else check it out please. |
Moondance | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 04:55 pm   Wasn't there a challenge towards the end last year that included a little from all the challenges... maybe this is the one. |
Gina8642 | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 06:05 pm   Llkoolaid, I believe you are right. The next challenge is the "Combo-Challenge". It has a bit of many of the challenges we've already seen. They seem to be mostly the physical ones. Yes, they did this in Australia too. And, also yes, you are seeing some old footage. There is clearly a strange woman in one of the shots. (Pushing the boulder with Ethan?) I can't remember her name, but it is the mail carrier who got booted the first episode. They have some old footage and some new footage in the promo. I believe just to give us some flavor of what the "super-challange" will be like. But, clearly there is some new footage of at least three players visible on the net portion of the race. Lex in front, then Eth, and then Teresa way in the back, not yet on the net. To me, this means Lex probably wins. He is fit, agile and a strong physical competitor. He's also had more food through out the game, so less likely to be weakened (amoebic dysntery aside). I'm sure this is new footage, because in the last net race(s) only two competitors were racing at one time. And the net seen in this footage matches the aerial shot of the "Super-Challange" obstical course. So, Teresa will get pagonged at Tribal Council. The editing is always mis-leading and crafty. So, by the end of the show, I will be doubting myself, believing, maybe, maybe, Teresa can pull through...... Then --- PAGONG ---, out she will go. |
Car54 | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 06:41 pm   Um, .... just popped in to post a link- I have seen this on two different spoiler boards. There is a vidcap of T and Kim hugging which if you blow it up shows what appears to be the immunity necklace. Link to Pics of Hug Also, the ad promotes the super challenge as immunity, but some posters I read said last year the super challenge was promoted as IC but ended up being the RC where Colby won the car. |
Gina8642 | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 08:19 pm   I can't see a damn thing in that pic Car. But, hey, it would be really cool if true. The same pics have been posted at several sites. I'm going to look around at them to see if any are clearer. If Lex goes that could set up a KimJ/Teresa final. That would be satisfying to me. Maybe MarkB tells the truth???? Naw...... |
Weinermr | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 08:56 pm   There are clear vidcaps at votedoff.tv It doesn't look like the immunity necklace, and it looks like Kim J may be hugging a small child. The perspective in the picture is odd. A great potential spoiler, but I don't buy it. It makes great speculation though.... |
Car54 | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 11:22 pm   See Gina, they are setting us up.... physical challenge, pics of Lex and Ethan ahead, they must win, Teresa off. Then this.... maybe Teresa on.... I looked at votedoff, and they are just as blurry on my computer. OK, when do they quit showing us the opposite, so we can finally decide. I have a headache.... Has Kim ever hugged anyone since the merge? Why would she hug T if she has resisited her, and is going to boot her, or if T wins IC, Kim is the next likely target... why hug the person who is sealing her doom... unless they are allied.... must go back to work.... |
Gina8642 | Monday, December 31, 2001 - 11:58 pm   Yeah, but MarkB isn't really trying to set US up. The couple hundred (well maybe couple thousand) internet geeks arn't as important as the couple million TV viewers. That is where all his money and ratings are. He just needs to keep us (yes, now I mean the internet people) confused enough that we don't handily predict each and every winner. Then the news media would report it, and he would lose the couple million important people. The ones he really cares about. Anyway, I must go to bed. So tomorrow I can get up, clean my house, do all my laundry, and do all the errands I've put off on my vacation. AND GO BACK TO WORK - - - YUCK!!!!!! Happy New Year Everybody!!!!! |
Car54 | Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 02:33 am   I read that he has some staff monitor the boards and report to him our theories. His interview said he edits up to the day the show airs. I think he does mess with us! Have you looked an the number of members at some of the sites we read? The Deadpool alone has over 4000 members. Worked all night, feeling a little paranoid here. |
Twiggyish | Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 04:49 pm   Way to go RG!! I see you are #3 in overall standings. |
Sunshinemiss | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 12:39 am   Many apologies alliances co-members for forgetting to vote, I promise to do better, I work for FedEx and, as I am sure you can imagine, Xmas is beyond hectic, 6 days a week 12-14 hours a day. But I just went and voted for this week so I am set. Off- Teresa On- Ethan IC- Lex Trying to avoid second-guessing which keeps doing me in at the last minute. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 01:04 pm   I am going to take a chance this week and think that it is now time for Kim to break up the men. I don't think it would take much arm twisting to convince Ethan to vote off Lex. Ethan has to know that if it gets down to the three men Lex is a strong competitor and stands a good chance of winning immunity, when he does he would pick Tom over Ethan. I think Theresa is stirring things up with Lex and the others, and this is her last chance to break up the mens alliance, also I think Kim will be using Theresa to make it further than fourth. I am not sure which man they are going to use,probably Lex or Ethan, but I think Lex would be the easiest. I can see them having him upset with Ethan or Tom and having him vote for one of them while the two women vote for Lex making a tie. Lex having the most votes would go. Ok is everyone confused now. The safest way to vote would be Theresa off but I am going to give Kim some credit for being smart and take the chance that she makes her move this week. With Theresa as an allie she will make it to final 3 for sure because she will be the only one with no votes against her. I think Theresa will recieve 2 this week and Ethan 1. I have thought from the beginning that Ethan and Kim have a secret alliance, I think Kim makes it to the final 2. God my face will be red if she gets voted off this week. Lex off Tom on Teresa Immunity ( I think Ethan is going to give it to her ) WARNING: LOL Please don't pay attention to my ranting, this is me letting my imagination run wild, please don't let it affect your votes. This is all based on speculation and has no basis in fact. |
Car54 | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 02:22 pm   LL did you read the Insider transcripts for Ethan this week? I like the idea of Ethan giving T immunity( he's done it before!) |
Moondance | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 02:30 pm   Car ... what do you think about this ... remember Lex making a big deal about votes yet in the past few weeks we haven't heard a thing ... does this say that MB is trying to throw us off the Pagoning or does it say the 'secret' alliance that hasn't surfaced (which MB is so famous for) would be Lex and Teresa? I mean all of sudden Teresa was campaigning against Ethan... doesn't make sense...she wanted Lex gone sooooo bad... maybe I am over analyzing |
Britchick | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 02:46 pm   Moondance, I kept arguing this point with my boyfriend - why was Theresa going after Ethan all the time when before she seemed to want Lex gone? He made the point, though, that in both weeks when we've seen these conversations involving Theresa talking about getting rid of Ethan, Lex already has won immunity. I hate to admit I'm wrong, but I think probably my boyfriend is right on this point. Last week, Theresa even said that she was waiting until after the immunity challenge before making her move so she didn't approach MamaKim about Ethan until Lex was already out of the picture... |
Moondance | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 02:52 pm   But Tom won immunity not Lex hmmmmm |
Moondance | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:05 pm   Britchick... I reread your post maybe I am not getting it... would not be new if I missed something so who is he saying is going next? Who do you think and why? |
Car54 | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:07 pm   Could happen. Ethan is the biggest threat to pull a Colby and win final immunity, plus he has no votes so is in the least danger, plus he is well liked- no real enemies. Lex is much easier to face against the jury-and if I were playing strategically I would try to get rid of Tom and Ethan way before Lex. I am really perplexed by Kim. She didn't say she wouldn't vote for Ethan, she said she wouldn't vote yet. And I am really perplexed by her conversation last week with Teresa where they discussed Tom's voting with them. At the time that discussion didn't make any sense- if Kimp, Kimj and T were trying to vote Lex, they had the votes necessary, and he has many prior votes. They didn't need Tom. So I think one of two things were happening 1. Either that conversation was shown out of time sequence (it happened AFTER KIMP was voted or AFTER Lex won immunity 2. They were discussing voting Ethan (Kimp said that was the case) in which case none of the women had any votes, neither does Ethan, so any tie would have resulted in a tiebreaker challenge-and Ethan is good at Challenges, hence the need for Tom's vote. It depends too on immunity. If Tom and Ethan have any kind of bond, they have to start thinking individually- they do NOT want to go against each other, so one of them better get strategic soon. I think Ethan is more oriented to that- Tom has not made any great strategic plans we have seen. Ethan helped plan to boot Silas, and he was thinking right when he helped boot Clarence. Clarence was a direct threat to him. I am sooo confused! |
Moondance | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:11 pm   >> plus he has no votes<< but didn't Ethan get 2 votes last TC? I am always confused Car! |
Britchick | Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 03:14 pm   Oops, sorry Moondance - I was thinking of the week before last (the one where Frank got the boot) since Theresa then approached KimJ about the girls' alliance and talked about Ethan. This got me suspicious about a possible hidden Theresa/Lex deal, but then my boyfriend put me right about the conversation having taken place *after* Lex had already won immunity. Sorry for confusing you I'm not sure I can remember correctly (blame overload of chocolate over holiday period) what happened last week with the Theresa/KimJ conversation. I thought they *were* talking about kicking out Lex??? Maybe that was wishful thinking ... I didn't realise that Theresa was aiming at Ethan again. Hm. Makes no sense then. Maybe I was right first time about the Theresa/Lex thing then? I'm not being very helpful either way so I'm going to be quiet now. I have no idea what will happen this week. I had my wild Theresa/Lex theory, voted accordingly last week and it came to nothing so I'm going to listen to words of wisdom from everyone else (though possibly not my boyfriend!) |
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