Archive through October 19, 2001
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Suebee | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 06:04 pm   I think he is really trying hard to stay in the game. But the votes he got tonight makes him still know he isn't safe. I think he will be the next to go out of his tribe. O wait I thought that last week. LOL |
Amac | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 06:16 pm   Does anyone remember how the voting broke down among the Boran? Who voted for Jessie and who voted for Clarence? Tom, interestingly, considered his vote for Clarence another "warning," meant more to keep Clarence in line than any serious intent to boot him. |
Llkoolaid | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 06:32 pm   I think Clarence only got 2 votes, one from Tom and one from Jessie, but I could be wrong. They would be crazy to boot him, he is strong and as their bodies get weaker they are going to need him, I think unless he screws up big time again they will keep him until the merger and then he is out, maybe, they may keep him then if they need the numbers because after the merge it is still team against team when they vote someone out. It depends on how many players each team has when they merge, I don't think Clarence has anything to worry about for a while. I can see him winning lots of individual immunity challenges. |
Misslibra | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 06:36 pm   Yes I think that Clarence will end up winning individual immunity challenges. He better or that will be his... butt. |
Joan | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 06:40 pm   Everyone wants to give Clarence a "warning" or a "wake up call" but I think they've already done that and if they don't get their act together and figure out who's voting for whom, they are going to accidently vote him out with their warnings when everyone decides to warn at once and assumes the rest are not. Tribal Council, IMO is not the place to be giving people messages. Vote if you want them gone...period. They should have learned from Jeff in the last season, votes against you can come back to bite you in the ass later. When they merge, if Clarence is still around, that handful of "warnings" means the difference between Boran losing an alliance member or getting the advantage if there is a tie down tribal lines again. |
Muse | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:06 pm   Tom is silly for agreeing to be the one to give Clarence his "warning". I'm sure Clarence doesn't appreciate getting his vote each time. Why make an enemy like that? If the rest of the tribe wanted to issue a warning, Tom would have been smart to get someone else to do it (like, say, Ethan, since it sounded like he was willing to). That way Clarence won't necessarily try to target Tom later on if the tables are turned somehow. But Tom doesn't seem to realize that... Oh, and also - if Tom didn't discuss it with the rest of the tribe beforehand, that puts him in an even worse position since he's not voting with the group. The group obviously felt that the weakest link had to go - if they didn't know what Tom was doing, they might not be too thrilled with him trying to vote out the strongest person on their team, even with the animosity towards Clarence. Like him or not, they know they need him more than ever in the next few challenges. |
Joan | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:30 pm   Muse, Tom did discuss it with Ethan at least but I agree, voting for Clarence each time doesn't really show much solidarity with the team or trust in Clarence. He said all that good stuff about him and then still votes for him?? |
Car54 | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 10:46 pm   They said in the beginning that the group had decided about Diane, and that Tom would send Clarence a message then (we didn't see that on the show last week) Who is to say that the same did'nt happen this week? I really object to the attitude that they have to "control" or send him a message with that ongoing vote... I really changed my opinion of C. this week... and I think he has made ammends for his mistakes and is genuinely sorry. He certainly gives 100% in work AND challenges. These message votes DO count... when things get closer, votes against may be important, but I suspect by then the guys may be ready to dispose of Clarence. Listen, I voted for Clarence this week.. but I think it is either or...either include him, or vote him out... be straight.. treating him like he is there on sufferance is really mean... and must have added a huge level of additional tension for him.. it looks like there is NO ONE he can feel safe with, and I think he knows it. Obviously I would be off the show the first week if I was there...probably by unanimous vote.... |
Smileeys | Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 11:22 pm   I agree about the warnings being spiteful, unnecessary, and may come back to bite them. And I know ya'll may get upset at me but I am sorry because I need to say this, it seems rather paternalistic to me and I think Clarence's race has alot to do with it especially on Tom's part. It is subtle but so much there to me. I hope I am wrong. By the way, if it matters, I am white female from the south (Mississippi) and can't stand all the "ism's" |
Car54 | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 04:02 am   Smileey's, I lived in the south for years, and frankly was thinking the same way.. but was afraid to say the "ism" word. It is funny, Tom seemed to have p*ssed a lot of the posters off this week, but because I know his type of guy so well, he didn't bother me too much, but I do see a subtle attitude there that I really don't like. And really even without the *ism issue it just really seems unnecessary to harp on the history with Clarence. Tom says he forgives, but if that was true he would not keep digging at Clarence. In my mind that is not forgiveness. |
Sunshinemiss | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 04:08 am   I like Clarence, at least to the extent they show him on the show (i.e. editing, who knows what is the truth per se). He messed up and possibly got manipulated by Diane but he seems earnest and forthright since then. Either vote him off or get over it. |
Chippy | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 06:49 am   Tom needs to give it a rest. If anything, he showed his true colors- saying that they moved past it and then voting for Clarence again. He's a jerk with control issues. What goes around... Yep, the message votes might bite them in the end and they're lucky others didn't vote like Tom or they would have lost some major muscle- which, hello Boran, you can't afford to do- you haven't won a darn thing yet! |
Joan | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 07:05 am   I agree Smileeys. If no one else will say it--I think Tom is a racist and a sexist. This is much more apparent from the Insider clips. He sees the women as the weakness of the team and the reason they cannot do certain things and his comment about that "jive" handshake not being manly...well... I don't think he does it maliciously though, I think that that is just how he is used to living and he probably doesn't even know it is wrong. There was an insider clip of Kim and Kelly talking about him and how being with people from outside his small town seems to be a culture shock in itself for him. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 07:37 am   Tom is a Redneck, I don't think he realizes how offensive he can be seen, I think he believes because he is a white male, he is superior to Clarence and the little women. My brother-in-law is what I call a redneck, and you could never convince him that he is wrong, women to him are weak and you just humor them when they speak because they obviously have nothing important to say, blacks are lazy and sneaky. He is an idiot, he goes around making racist and sexist comments and thinks its ok. I mostly ignore him except when he makes his comments in front of my kids. I then explain to them in front of him, not to listen to their uncle, that he is an stupid fool who because of his ignorance doesn't know any better. I used to ask him not to talk like that in front of them, but he would just scoff at what I said and make fun of it, I avoid him but it isn't always possible, so now I use him as an example of what my kids shouldn't be. He hates me, I am glad. Anyway when I see Tom I see my brother-in-law. |
Aja | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 07:50 am   But you gotta admit, the women in his tribe are weak and Clarence did screw up, big time, by eating the team food behind their backs! Jessie was unable to drink the water, laid around in camp vomiting, very weak and worthless. Kim did cost them the reward challenge by falling. Kelly did cost them the immunity challenge by not being able to 'chug' blood as she claimed to be a college champ at chugging beer (that's why she volunteered and that's why she was chosen). That may explain why he calls the women weak and does'nt trust the black guy. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 07:57 am   nah, he's a redneck, just kidding, I don't know, he just reminds me of my brother in law, he could be an ok guy, what you said is true Aja, but his attitude just rubs me the wrong way, it's just my gut instinct. He's no Roger. BTY I am not excusing Clarence, what he did was low, and the fact that he threw the can away prove for me that he knew it was wrong, but if they don't put this behind them until the merge there isn't going to be many of them left. |
Crazydog | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:09 am   Of the people left on Boran, I would say the only people I really like are Lex and Kelly. I don't like Tom - he reminds me a lot of Kent from BB2, very holier than thou. I don't like Clarence because of his thoughtlessness but maybe he will change. I don't like Ethan at all. I think he is wimpy and whiny - he complained vehemently about the beans and last night seemed to want to vote out Clarence but didn't have the guts to initiate anything. He is not a leader. I have no opinion on the older lady (Kim?) other than she fell and admitted it was her fault. Reminded me of Tina saying that she should get voted out since she couldn't eat the worm. |
Aja | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:12 am   I know, Tom's outspoken and always the first to think the worst in his teammates, but I'm taking that as insight and level headedness for now, good qualities in a survivor player. If you look at Samburu, Frank is similar, but has no people skills. Carl has his moments too, but gave credit to 2 of his female teammates for helping with the work around camp (Linda & Teresa). I think Clarence's head is still on the chopping block for deceit, but if one of the women costs them another challenge, Clarence will stay in. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:21 am   I like Kelly too, I thought she said she couldn't even chug beer at college, maybe I am confused. Kim tripped and fell, so what, didn't anyone notice how many times Ethan fell when they were dragging that cart up the hill, they lost that one too. I don't fault them if they are giving it their all. I am glad they didn't kick her out because of it, just as I am glad they didn't kick Kelly out for not drinking the fastest. Jessie was sick and not pulling her weight she had to go, they need Clarence's physical strength, I just hope they didn't make a mistake because they are going to need brain power for some of the challenges and she seemed like a very bright woman. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 08:27 am   You are probably right Aja, and I am not being fair, you just don't have my brother-in-law. I think Sambura is going to be very hard to beat, with Silas on their side they are going to walk to the final 5. I have a suspision that Silas is another Colby, and Teresa (I think that's the women I mean ) is Survivor 111's Tina. |
Rachelinsc | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 09:14 am   Tom appears to be a racist to me also. I think the bean incident was a HUGE mistake on Clarence's part, and getting rid of the can was sneaky, but Tom's reaction, his refusal to let the issue die, the hatred on his face, and his inability to look at Clarence while talking to him were all clues to his true feelings. Clarence has apologized. Either accept it and move on, or vote him off. By the way, I am a Southerner. I have known many well-spoken, intelligent Southern men with even tempers and no racial biases or sexist views. I am so tired of the Southern men that are chosen for these reality shows. Tom is a cartoon, as was Kent. |
Joan | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 10:20 am   Aja, Kelly said "I could never chug beer in college" and she didn't volunteer to do the tiebreaker, the other team chose her thinking she would be the weakest. |
Aja | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 10:26 am   Oops, I forgot the other team did the choosing! But I'm certain that she said, after it was over, she was confident that she would win because she "could" chug beer in college. She was very sure of her abilities going into the final round and was kicking herself afterward. |
Chippy | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 11:27 am   The Samburo chick (?name) had a tough time with the shot glassful- I thought she was a good pick to compete against. And Kelly was so sure of herself that I thought, finally Boran's gonna win something. Wrong. I was pulling for them despite the fact that I voted they wouldn't get immunity. I just felt sorry for them. |
Sawheel17 | Friday, October 19, 2001 - 11:28 am   I think if they're smart, they'll keep Clarence. Did you see how much he did with the challenges. He and Lex were carrying and runningwith those poles. Tom needs to get a grip. |
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