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Archer | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:08 pm   I cannot stand the younger group in the samburu tribe. It seems to me that voting out a 'weaker' person(ie Lindsey) would benefit them in the long run when the merge occurs. Last night's episode seems to spell the end of the samburu tribe. No compromise from the old people or the young people. From the looks of things, its gonna get worse with the next episode. Anyways, GO BORAN! These new survivors seem to fall down alot. |
Mssilhouette | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:25 pm   <<These new survivors seem to fall down alot>> LOL Archer!! I already made another post that pretty much says it's not really about them being Gen X'ers (Heck I'm one)its about them being complaining brats and childish. I remember the first episode when one girl talked about her period as if the tribe was supposed to stop and cater to her because she'd probably be "moody" The other girl wanted to socialize before making the camp secure. Hey chit chat WHILE you're doing work! It's not about their age it's about the girls and the gay guy's attitude. (sorry I don't know his name and frankly its pretty darn obvious about his orientation...They wouldn't need a fire if his flame was any bigger LOL) Now I won't say that the old people didn't help do themselves in by polarizing the team and then trying to make an alliance with Salias far too early in the game. Well overally it's like every Survivor, one team blends well together with only minor incidents and the other team usually all hate each other. But Samburu is frankly not that likeable at all. I only have 1 person on that tribe that I like...At least I have 2 or 3 people on Boran I can root for. |
Joan | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:42 pm   I agree Archer. At first I thought Boran was a bunch of whackos and that the strength lay with Samburu but now I see that the bunch of wackos are more of a tribe than Samburu ever was. How 3 young people who didn't want to work managed to get onto Survivor is beyond me and further beyond me is why Silas would put himself with them. I guess he was worried he would be the next one out once they booted the Gen Xers if he went with the adults. I'd love to see them get rid of Frank next and have Silas left as the only strong male for challenges while Boran has Clarence, Lex, and Ethan (and even Tom). If I had ended up on a team with Frank, I would have just done what he said even if I didn't like him all that much. I would have been all "What can I help you with today?" just because Frank obviously loves to feel in control and letting him feel that way would be one more method of insuring my own survival in the show. |
Goatgirl | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:48 pm   After being "exposed" to Lindsey in her audition tape I silently nicknamed her "look-at-me-Lindsey" and had a feeling she would end up irritating me. Something about the other girl - is it Kim? Reminds me of Stacey from Survivor 1 and not in a fond memory kind of way. Brandon - just a side thought: sorry but I'm just wondering if anyone who was at his wedding to a woman was not thinking "what the hell is going on here? Hello?" Maybe it was like the Will & Grace scenario where Jack had to marry Rosario so she could stay in the country or something? I don't know. I had thought I liked Silas but we'll see. They all acted like spoiled mean spirited children last night. Embarrassment to the rest of our generation and it kind of irritated me that Carl said something like "I fear for this generation" based on the behavior of these 4. |
Joan | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 01:05 pm   Has anyone noticed that Kim is starting to pick up Lindsey's speech patterns? I don't know how to explain it in print but I have noticed that the way Lindsey pauses in the middle of sentences and makes things sound like questions when they are not is rubbing off on Kim. Several times last night when Kim had a voiceover, I couldn't tell which one it was. Goatgirl, I have to wonder how Carl would feel about young ppl if he had been placed with Boran instead. |
Kep421 | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 02:45 pm   Like Mssillouette, I too have been posting about these four youngsters on other threads. I have nothing against GenX'ers, I raised three of them myself. But my Gex X's would never act the way these kids are on this show. I believe those 4 young people are more condescending and judgmental than their older tribemembers. Yes, the older group was first to decide to start forming alliances. That's what this game is about. But the 4 younger members decided this action was morally wrong and outrageous and they were going to punish these "old people", for their arrogance of starting alliances first. The older group's biggest mistake was trusting Silas and thinking he was more mature. WRONG!!! If they had a problem with how Frank or Carl were trying to organize the camp, they should have called them on it and offered alternatives. Instead they chose to sit around, do nothing and complain. They definately have a bad case of "me-itis". They are not proactive and have very negative attitudes. I still say they started the split by acting like teenagers at home with Mom to cleanup after them all day, instead of acting like the adults they pretended to be when they signed up for this gig. They are not taking any on responsibilities and they in no way see how they themselves contributed to the breakdown of the tribe. I can't wait to see them on their own when they turn on each other... GO BORAN!!! |
Chippy | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 02:49 pm   Eechh Joan. I didn't notice that but I did notice Lindsey talking like that and wanted to p*sspound her. I'll watch for it. |
Muse | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 06:36 pm   Archer, I don't blame the younger ones for rallying around Lindsey. The older people in the tribe made it clear that they would vote out the younger people in whatever order. Lindsey just happened to be picked first because she got sick. Teresa and Carl were also supposedly sick, but Frank and Linda would never have voted them off, even if they were worse off than Lindsey. The younger people had to stick together in order to avoid being voted out one by one. Of course if alliances/friendships didn't play such a huge role in the game (like they don't at Boran - or at least not at the first two tribal councils), Lindsey would have been gone. It would have been better for the tribe as a whole if it had happened that way, too. But for now, the game isn't being played that way by *either* side in Samburu, not just the Generation X-ers. Anyway, I think the tribe is so fractured right now that it doesn't matter how many of them go into the merge. It'll be tough to gain enough unity to start voting off Boran right away. That being said, I think the Generation X-ers are way too clique-ish and immature. I don't mind the bonding activities (like the necklace making) or them sticking together, but I thought eating extra food wasn't very nice. I find Brandon a bit amusing, but pretty spiteful. Lindsey has irritated me since I saw her audition video, and continues to be one of my least favorite S3 contestants. I'm not too sure about Kim (since we see so little of her), but her devotion to Lindsey makes me wonder. And while I don't fault Silas for playing the game and even lying a bit, I think he's been making some stupid mistakes and flaunting his power too much. He's no Richard Hatch (or Tina Wesson, for that matter), and it'll catch up to him. |
Lilliegirl | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 06:54 pm   I saw that to Joan, what they should do is let Tom the goat farmer come over for a day and let him ride there butts for eating all the food, he sure rode Clarences butt.And Mssil you are right just as soon as they got to there camp that girl wanted to socialize and im looking at myself, DO WHAT, its only 120 degrees here and we have to have water and a fire, what a way to go. I was one of these bratts parents I sure would not tell anyone. |
Hippyt | Friday, October 26, 2001 - 08:58 pm   I hope those smug young ones from Saburu vote all the older ones out. Then we'll see if they all croak from dehydration,or get eaten by lions!!! I don't like one person on this team,but hey,if all they wanna do is lay around and whine and talk about how cool they are with each other all day,I'll be happy to watch them screw themselves! |
Neko | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 09:49 am   Hmmm.....all very good points in here. I can only hope not all of the Gen-Xers aren't like those 4. I guess I would be a Gen-Y..hmmm..I'm not exactly sure..What comes after Generation X anyway? |
Realtvfan | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 09:59 am   The hot new phrase for the past year (because they are much too uncreative to invent a better one) is Generation Y. Go Boran. |
Ophiliasgrandma | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 10:34 am   I'm sure the producers picked this bunch of oddballs just for the irratation factor...and it's working. They are going to prickle each other right out of the game at TC. Hey, face it, if they were all great, easy going folks like us would we give a rip about watching? Fess up now, it would be booorrring as all get out. |
Blonde | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 11:21 am   Why did Silas end up siding with the young folks? Because he's in control with them. If he had stayed with the older group, he would have been the odd one out and more vulnerable. Since it came down to a swing vote, he chose the side he could have the most influence with for alliance building. I was originally more sympathetic to the older group since they obviously have a better work ethic and are smarter. But they just got so arrogant that I wasn't that disappointed to see them get a bit of a comeuppance. They are older and wiser and should have seen this coming. I still think they can rebound, but they will have to come together as a team now. Which puts Silas in control as the negotiator for the whole thing. Smart guy. And Linda will have to put her money where her mouth is on the spiritual thing and reach out to her younger team members. Maybe then she'll get her necklace - lol! |
Squaredsc | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 06:19 pm   i think that silas will realize that he made a mistake in staying with the "gen-x-es" especially if he thinks he can lead them, no one can even lead them to the water hole and they will end up starving by the merger 'cause they are eating all of the food without rationing it. unfortunately with this survivor 3 i haven't noticed anyone who really stands out, except clarence's abs , but i digress. this survivor seems to lack the excitement that i felt in the first two, but maybe the novelty has worn off...or should i say that survivor 3 is not as interesting as the amazing race (i love that show) |
Joan | Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 11:29 pm   Lilliegirl, remember in the first episode when Lindsey was saying her father told her she needed to keep her mouth shut while she was in Africa? hehe I bet he and his wife are just shaking their heads as they watch the show. What we see is probably only a fraction of what they have dealt with for 20 some odd years. I like Carl but I don't like all the judgements he has passed on the young people and on young people as a whole. He was the one I saw criticising them the most saying they had no honour, no morals, no integrity etc. What they are like in the game and what they are like IRL could be different. |
Neko | Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 09:26 am   I'm hurt RealTVFan...are you saying my "Peeps" the Generation Y-ers are uncreative? *Looks at some of the people in her classes* Nevermind ^_^ *sigh* There must be a better name for us... |
Realtvfan | Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 10:52 am   I'm just way too old to ever understand or see a generation's creativity in: a) a belly ring, b) a eyelid ring, c) a lip ring, d) a face ring of any kind, except on African tribes in National Geographic, e) a tattoo at all, never mind a tattoo bigger than a bread box f) 15 ear piercings. 1 is stylish. 15 is a walking jewelry store that will set off metal detectors. I'm not kidding. I know a woman with 15. I covers her whole ear. Nicole's hair and outfits were a piece of cake compared to this woman. I guess I'm not Gen W X Y or Z. I'm closer to Gen A. I do not find those things creative. I find them painful to see. I am also someone who has no use for the laziness in the circumstances the Sambura Gen Y's are in. I hope the last 3 40 somethings wake up and do nothing for the lazy bones. But that is just me. For full disclosure, I also work with a 20-something gentleman who has more face rings and tattoos than I could ever imagine on any 3 people. During the summer he comes to work in shorts and short sleeves. I will give him credit. He is an excellent worker. |
Crazydog | Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 01:09 pm   Realtvfan, I'm not really sure exactly what you mean when you're talking about rings and piercings and tattoos, other than to express displeasure at them. It seems to me that you're trying to make a connection between these things and the 4 lazy young Samburus and an entire generation. As a 29 year old, I think it's unfair for people to connect Lindsey et al to all 20-early 30 somethings. I'm not sure why the antics of these four gave Carl the right to pontificate that he prays for my generation because we all have no hope, or something like that. Seems to me that you're doing the same thing. In addition, I haven't noticed any of these rings or tattoos on any of the 4 young Samburus. I'm sure some of them have them, but certainly not enough to where I notice them. Moreover, the presence or absence of rings, piercings or tattoos should have nothing to do with their character or work ethic. The fact that you are disgusted with them is your own personal belief. I allow you your views, but I think you should be careful to jump to conclusions about someone just because they may have a tattoo. It'd be like looking at someone who is black and saying that you are disgusted by them because they are black. Sure, there's a difference, you choose to get a tattoo and you don't choose your skin color, but my point is that you should look at the whole person. Having a tattoo or piercings should not be connected with an entire generation's laziness. BTW, if you find tattoos so disgusting, what do you think of Lex, and may I point out that he is almost 40. Just my opinions. Hope some of it made sense. |
Sawheel17 | Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 01:57 pm   OMG, the kids are lazy. Who's going to get their water if the baby-boomers decide to just get it for theirslves. That upset me so bad, when they ate and left two patties burning and on excuse me, I forgot about boiling water, after they said they would make the breakfast if Linda? would go get the water. I was so glad Boran won everything even though I lost my butt in the dead pool vote. |
Ginger | Monday, October 29, 2001 - 07:49 am   I think there is some confusion here about who is Gen X and who is Gen Y. Lex is a solidly a member of Generation X. I'm not sure how old Lindsey and Kim are, but they may be more accurately called members of Gen Y. The name Gen X came about thanks to Douglas Coupland's novel called Generation X, which was about a group of friends who were in thier early 20's in the early 1980's. They were educated but didn't go on to have serious jobs and they spent most of their time hanging out in bars and coffee shops being cynical and sarcastic about everything. The author is now in his early 40's. The Generation X is a small one--baby boomers and Gen Y-ers outnumber them by lots and lots. Gen X-ers were born between 1960 and 1974 (roughly). Of course it gets blurry around the boundaries--those born at either end may have more in common with the generations that came before or after them. I could go on with this little sociological report, but I won't. And yes, Gen Y came by their name rather uncreatively--Y is what came after X. But they are not to blame. It was the marketers and the media who pinned them with that. My two cents about the youngins of Samburu: they are not representative of any generation. They are bratty, self-absorbed, selfish, humourless representations of their own small selves. |
Voyeur | Monday, October 29, 2001 - 10:07 am   When the baby boomers were 20 somethings, they got called self-absorbed, selfish, lazy brats by the generation that came before. When Gen X'ers were 20 somethings, they got called self-absorbed, selfish, lazy brats by the baby boomers. Now the Gen Y people are getting called self-absorbed, selfish, lazy brats by the Gen X'ers. There is an essay by Socrates (I think) about the self-absorbtion, selfish nature, and laziness of the generation after his. It is a perpetual cycle. Vain, vapid, and shallow youth eventually learns that life often require hard choices, hard work, and hard living. Then they get to continue the cycle with the next generation that comes along. |
Realtvfan | Monday, October 29, 2001 - 11:25 am   Crazy, There are many 50 year olds who have tattoos as well as Lex. I'm as uncomfortable with the tattoos on the 50 year olds as I am on others. It just seems to me that tattoos and piercing have exploded on the Gen Y's. It is just me. I don't completely judge people by tattoos as with Lex. It is just something that makes me very uncomfortable. Voyeur, I'm probably wrong, but I do know that speech and I thought it was Plato who said it. It doesn't matter who said it. I completely agree with you. |
Joan | Monday, October 29, 2001 - 12:21 pm   Isn't Gen Y the group that is in school right now? I'm 23 and everyone I know has always referred to people my age as Generation X. I work at a school and all the teachers refer to the students as Gen Y. By Ginger's post those kids should be Z or something because they are the children of my generation but I have never heard of Z. Lindsey is in her mid 20s and I think Kim is 29. |
Crazydog | Monday, October 29, 2001 - 12:46 pm   Joan, I agree. I am 29 and I always thought that I was Generation X, and down to about your age included. I thought that the current crop of those around 18 and younger were Generation Y. I had always referred to people around my age being Generation X. Maybe I'm wrong, judging from Ginger's post it seems the term has been around for a while. I had thought that my generation (which I define as those of us who were kids and growing up in the 80s) had been termed the "Me Generation" because of the greed and Dynasty-lifestyle of the 80s. Then all of a sudden I kept hearing "Generation X" attached to the same group. I am now confused. I'm sure everyone has a different definition of exactly where the generation lines fall depending on how old you are and what your family situation is like. |
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