The two Kims
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Crazydog | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 08:35 am   I felt so bad for old Kim. She looks great (years younger than Tom even though she's got 10 years on him) but she's not up to it physically. When she thought she would be voted out, I felt terrible. She is definitely the show's Mom figure, much like Tina was and Nancy on the Amazing Race. I have grown to despise young Kim. How old is this one? She hasn't been saying much on the previous shows, but this time there was brat Kim overload. Keep your mouth shut, you come across sounding like a completely immature twit. She's got that "innocent Colleen" "like oh my gosh you know" style of speaking and instead of being endearing she is utterly grating. Total bubblegum trash. Does anyone else here live in the Midwest and have you heard those Ameritech commercials on the radio for unlimited local calling with those two girls. (Like, I SO have to talk to you. No way. I so have to talk to YOU!) Aaarrrggh. Brat Kim reminds me of those irritating girls. |
Kep421 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 08:48 am   I thought a very touching moment was when MamaKim said that not only did she feel good about winning immunity and being safe, but she knew that the rest of her tribe was also glad she was staying. To me this says that Boran members do not enjoy voting off their members and they feel cohesive as a group. GO BORAN!!! |
Wink | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 12:31 pm   The Samboohiss Kim seems like she may be salvageable. I don't find her quite as irritating as her dopey bunch of bead buddies. The BoranLexisdaman Kim while a very pleasant and quite well preserved mature woman seems doomed if they lose another IC before the merge. |
Resortgirl | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 12:42 pm   I like boran's Kim too. I've always wondered why the producers of Survivor bother to include older women on the show, when most of the challenges are so extremely physical. I wish they could balance the physical part with more physcological or using wisdom aspects. True survival in the wilderness would take much less brute strength and much more common sense and calm thinking. JMHO... |
Dahli | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 01:37 pm   RG - excellent excellent point - the unfortunate thing is it seems in most of our modern cultures, youth, beauty, strength and the ability to attract males or being able to reproduce has caused the important qualities you list to tank completely. Common sense and calm thinking along with other older wiser female attributes are very seldom viewed as valuable which is truly sad. |
Car54 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 01:50 pm   Look at it this way, she has already beat any woman her age at this game, and could you see Sonya or Mad Dog in a thong! When this woman comes home, she is going to be famous! The Boran team has more going for them in the challenges than Samburu, and if they keep away from IC, she stays.... On the bad side, if they split or trade, she is probably gone. I am reserving judgement on Kimp- she has not lied directly to anyone that I have seen (unlike Silas, Lindsay and especially Brandon). Last episode, she was the one who said "I wish we could just get it together". Also, she is the one who figured out how to get fire!!!! That puts her several IQ points above anyone else in either tribe! Or maybe she just saw BB do it on S1- either way, she was using her noggin! I wonder how she would behave if she was separated from the others? I think I agree with Wink on this one. Is she the one who bailed out on her engagement recently? |
Resortgirl | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 03:49 pm   Dahli, I wonder who thinks up the challenges? Probably 30something year old guys. If they had a couple of 50 and 60 year old women coming up with the challenges it would be much more interesting to me. I'm 40 and in pretty good shape and could probably do ok at the physical challenges (not that I'd EVER want to try) but I would much rather watch people "thinking" about how to solve a situation. Brute strength "just don't impress me much!" I know Car54 that she has beat out alot of people her own age but I want to see these women beat everyone! They have got to level the playing field. There are things that a 58 year old woman can do that no 28 year old man can because of life experiences. Ya know? |
Kep421 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 03:55 pm   I remember the challenge on Survivor II that dealt with placing markers on squares and the person who placed the most markers won. That challenge took a lot of strategic thinking and planning. If I remember correctly, it was Tina who won. But I think they save those type of challenges for the ones that result in an individual's win. The whole idea behind a group challenge is teamwork and the strong ones should be willing to carry the weaker ones in order to secure a group win. In my opinion, it would be more important to "level the playing field" when the competition is more individually based. |
Resortgirl | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 04:01 pm   Well that's true to a point kep.. unfortunately the teams don't seem to follow your logic. They don't find any value in someone unless they are winning the physical challenges. I remember being really bummed out when they voted off Sonja... I thought, boy your going to be sorry when her age and wisdom would be useful to your team. Unfortunately the way the game is geared that really never came up. |
Kep421 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 04:10 pm   I agree with you RG, but to Boran's credit they really do not want to vote MamaKim off. And I honestly believe that if someone could have helped her, they would have. But if MamaKim had the unfortunate luck to be on the Samburu tribe, she would have been tarred, feathered and run off the African Plain on a rail by the mallrats. |
Resortgirl | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 04:19 pm   Oh Yeah! Samburu would have done that and more.... Darn Rats!!! |
Car54 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 04:35 pm   RG, hate to tell you but I read that a woman plans the challenges/games. Actually, I have a thought about how KimJ could make it to the merge at least... IF the twist doesn't change the merge... If Boran continues with their wins at IC's- (and lets face it, they are a better organized team- AND the teams are even now, so Samburu can't sit out their weakest players now) OK, Boran wins a IC, they merge at 6-4, Kim J is still on, everyone is playing for themselves- After the merge, being physically strong can be a threat... and the Borans are going to want to pick off the mallrats, AND they like KimJ-so that gets her thru at least 5 weeks! Then internal alliances come into play..she is clearly bonded to Ethan and maybe Lex..is she their RUDY? Did Rudy ever win many challenges? And it seems like in past years the challenges based on wit and endurance rather than muscle and speed come later...the quizzes and things like standing on poles for 10 hours... she may be able to hold her own ok on those. If she can stick to the merge by luck, then she has a chance to go a ways- she seems to be really smart and well respected...don't give up on her! |
Muse | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 06:38 pm   KimJ should be fine if she makes the merge. Look at Rodger from S2. He was one of the weak links in the Kucha tribe, but he managed to make it to the merge. After that, he did just fine because people liked him, and since physical skill/strength was actually a liability - a threat in individual immunity challenges. KimJ seems likable, so she should be okay if Boran can win a couple more ICs. They might even spare her if they lose the last IC *before* the merge. Then strength doesn't matter as much since it comes down to individual challenges after that, so they might boot Clarence instead. It is tough for KimJ to keep up, and I do feel a little bad for her. But she's more physically fit than Sonja or Maralyn seemed to be. I think a good part of her weakness stems from the fact that she's sick. As for KimP - she doesn't really bother me that much since she doesn't say much. She hasn't been focused on too much since she's not the leader of the GenX alliance, and since she hasn't gotten any votes against her. Really, the only reason I dislike her is because she has the bad taste to be friends with Silas, Lindsey, and Brandon. She doesn't just seem to tolerate them - she actually *likes* them. I just wish Lindsey kept as quiet as KimP does. That hoarse voice making such idiotic, arrogant threats and comments just drives me up the wall. |
Resortgirl | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 04:37 am   Car54, I can't believe that women come up with some of the challenges! Don't get me wrong, I enjoy them but I just think they should highlight peoples smarts and ingenuity from the start so that the team can see that brute strength isn't the only criteria for a team player. Muse I feel the same way about Kimp, she hasn't DONE anything to make me dislike her. I don't know her at all yet. I feel the same way about Teresa on Samburu and Kelly from Boran. KimP seems to me the most likely to break ranks. It would be in her best interest, that's for sure. And yes Lindsey's raspy (Don't underestimate me people!" Is etched in my memory forever... ick! Just a side note: Has anyone noticed that they don't have much trouble sleeping in Africa? And that the weather seems to be pretty consistant. I haven't heard any complaints about it being really cold at night and so far no driving rain. |
Dahli | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 04:38 pm   hmmmmmm - not really sure if just because a 'woman' thinks of the challenge it is meeting the criteria RG and I refer to, unfortunately, plus it's unlikely she's a woman of mature years either LOL I've learned depending on the woman, and the power she has in a given situation is what determines her input or her output... or if she just keeps givin' em what sells. Pretty much like the real world it seems. We are looking for an over all attitude adjustment which balances the physical with the mental a little bit better perhaps. Those strategic type games have been missing so far doncha think? |
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