Archive through December 07, 2001
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Archive through December 07, 2001
Kizz | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 05:23 am   I suppose that the other members of original Boran aren't aware of the lame conversation Lex had with Kelly where she was trying to find out how they were going to vote at TC and he fumbled and mumbled and finally said something dumb about not sticking with alliances anymore...if they are going to take Kelly's vote for Lex as proof that she was a traitor...I feel bad because my initial impression was that Lex was a cool guy, boy was I wrong |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 05:29 am   Brandon seemed so unsure and uncomfortable with his decision last night that I doubt it was any brilliant strategy. No one will trust him and he will be the first to go once the power is gone. |
Moondance | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 06:56 am   I agree MsBat... clips of the next epi shows young Kim on the war path saying she will never trust Brandon again! |
Urgrace | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:02 am   Well, Kelly was never trustworthy. She was loyal though until Lex turned on her. You had to admire the way she went after him for his backstabbing. She will also do her best to make sure he doesn't win the game from the jury box. Brandon has been loyal too, but if Kimp goes after him for getting rid of a 'defect'ive Boran, then she needs her head examined. Unless Kimp and Kelly were the hidden alliance which is doubtful. If Kimp gets angry at Brandon, it may be over something else - like letting the cat out of the bag and telling that Teresa was the 'Lex vote'. But Teresa is the only one right now that knows, so that seems unlikely unless she confides in Brandon. The betrayal. If Tom finds out it was Teresa, he will be angry with Lex and target him. If Lex finds out he will try to get rid of Teresa. If Lex doesn't find out Brandon is his next target anyway. The O'Sams will target Lex again or if he gets IC they will go after MamaKim the weakest link. (Meanwhile Ethan, and Frank hover just over the trees watching and patiently waiting until the planners make them land or fire their weapons!) |
Realfan | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:23 am   Urgrace, why would Lex make Brandon his next target? He thinks now that he has Brandon in his back pocket, and I expect he'd tell the rest of "his group" to vote off the ones NOT loyal to him. |
Mindyrama | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:30 am   Am I the only one who think Lex's gut instincts weren't waaay off base??? Hear me out: When Theresa voted for Lex, it wasn't really out of malice. She couldn't vote for Clarence and had to choose someone so she chose Lex for being strong. I don't think she was really trying to be a snake, she was just playing the game. Now as for Kelly, although she did not vote for him, she secretly hated him and was waiting for the perfect moment to turn on him..she was willing to be a rat the first chance she had. He sensed something, and he was right, she couldn't stand him. I don't think he should feel bad when he finds out she wasn't the 'rat' because she secretly wanted to be. She seemed like the most likely candidate. As for Lex, man, he better win immunity next week, he is soo in trouble! (deservedly) I'm kinda mad at Ethan, I just love him and think that he needs to start thinking about the game a bit more. That was SO DUMB to win both challenges last night. He really should have thrown the IC, he was in no danger, and I'm afraid that if he keeps this up he will be preceived as a threat. But so far his name has never even been mentioned in any 'voting off' conversation, so that's good. Luckily there are too may other people bringing negative attention to themselves for anyone to bother with him. I think he's too nice to make it unless he starts winning all the immunties once Lex is gone. Oh, and Ethan really WAS sooo adorable last night! Loved all the face time! |
Urgrace | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 08:49 am   Realfan, Brandon will tick Lex off if he finds that Brandon was playing Lex the fool when he voted Kelly off and then redirects himself back to his original group. When Lex finds out, he will target Brandon (orig Sambrat) for the next vote from the Borans as another snake! Lex may not find out about Teresa at all, so no vote for her. Lex also promised Brandon no more than fifth place if the orig Borans make it to the finals, and therefore has plans to vote Brandon off then, too. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:02 am   Kelly did not defect until she found her own alliance was voting against her. She was loyal and told the camera just that, when she declined the offer to join Samburu before she saw the handwriting on the wall. Her nose is clean. As she said in her interview this morning. Lex didn't like her from the get go. Personality clash. He was ready to jump. And she did not like him, to her credit, but was willing to stick by that alliance. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:11 am   Moon, yep and that is too bad. Kim and Brandon shared a net everynight and were a tight alliance, or so it seemed. I am sure Kim is both angry and hurt. Brandon blew it and he knows it. They need him though. They really need his voting power to evict Lex. Without it we will see old Samburu picked off then Brandon. How on earth he thinks this switcheroo puts him in 4th place is beyond me. |
Moondance | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 09:17 am   Yes Bat you are so right... It showed Kelly saying that she had to stay with her tribe then it showed Lex telling her that he thought it was her that voted and he was voting her off... she then switched... Bad move on Lex's part! And Brandon's too!...JMO |
Sweetjay | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:06 am   I think it's a strategic move on Brandon's part. Kelly looked loyal to Samburu only for this vote but appeared strong with Tom, Ethan and MamaKim after she had gotten rid of Lex. No guarantee she would have helped Samburu vote out one of her tribe mates. Brandon voting Kelly out this TC and if he divulges his plan to Samburu, since both tribes are now even, Boron will vote one of Samburu, and Samburu can vote for Lex, when it comes to a tie, LEx will have previous votes against him when non of Samburu do. It's a brilliant strategy! FTH |
Mindyrama | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:25 am   If that is ,in fact, his plan...it is quite brilliant! |
Britchick | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:47 am   If that really is Brandon's plan though, he would have done well to inform his Samburu colleagues of the fact. That he didn't speaks volumes to me, at least. He's looking out for himself and I think he made a stupid move here. When someone asks you to defect from your tribe but basically offers you 5th place (i.e. "you'll be the *last* person from the original Samburu that we vote off"), I don't consider that a good deal really. Brandon has managed to upset his former friends, which would radically affect his chances of winning the jury vote if he did miraculously make it to the final 2. Plus, there's no way he can win a popularity vote against anyone from the original Boran with the exception of Lex (whose days are surely numbered now too because of his silly actions this week). All round, I can't help feeling Lex and Brandon shot themselves in the foot last night.... But hey, as long as Ethan's still there, I don't mind |
Britchick | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 10:58 am   Oops! Just read back a bit further in the thread and realised that people have already been addressing the points I made, and the more information on Brandon's double bluff is on the Insider. However, I stand by what I said about him not telling his former allies. KimP was obviously really annoyed from the footage of next week and this will put Brandon in a really bad position, if you ask me. He must have thought this was his one opportunity to get rid of Kelly (though if he hadn't, she still would have had 4 votes against her so probably would have been easy to get out later). The argument that it evened out the number of Samburu vs. Boran doesn't make sense - whether he voted off Lex or Kelly, either way it was a Boran person... Lex has really disappointed me with his attitude though. He should have kept his shock at getting the votes to himself and then, if he hadn't shown his anger, it would have been easier to find out who did it. Shame on the others for following his lead so easily. Maybe Kelly was perceived as a threat even by her former tribemates. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 11:06 am   I agree totally Britchick. He may try to parley his move into strategy using hindsight but he will convince no one. |
Spear | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 11:32 am   It doesn't seem like Brandon is planning to switch back in hindsight only. He revealed his strategy as he was showing his vote. Also, on Kelly's Early Show interview, she said that Brandon was feeding Lex the (untrue) stuff about being a free agent. So it looks like Brandon was doing some strategizing all along. It may not be the best strategy -- I think he could have ended up in the top three if he had kept Kelly, but he apparently thought he needed to get rid of Kelly. Anyway, Brandon wouldn't have been able to do anything if Lex could have waited another week before going on his witch hunt. From a 6-4 advantage for Boran, Lex played a major role in bringing it down to 4-4. Maybe he has some secret alliance with Samburu. :-) |
Moondance | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 11:45 am   Exactly Britchick... if it was such a great plan (plan being the key word here) he would have informed Young Kim... the person whom he claims to be the closest to... hello. I just don't see it being a master plan... I see it as a choice ... a choice he struggled with... you don't struggle with a plan. He made a choice that will come back and bit him in the butt! |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:02 pm   I said this in another thread but I will repeat it here. Brandon was so dazzled that Lex, the big cheese, wanted him on his team that all logic flew from his brain. There was no strategy that I can see. |
Spear | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:21 pm   Reallly, Fruitbat? Lex came to him saying "vote with us and we'll take out another one from *Boran*". It makes sense to pretend to accept the offer. If he had said no, Lex would have no choice but to get another Samburu member out first. He couldn't cut off Kelly unless he thought had Brandon in his pocket. Again, I'm not saying that I agree with Brandon's "strategy". I don't know why he didn't tell Kim P. -- but as the Insider clip shows, he was aware that this could bite him. Knowing how misleading the previews are, I wouldn't be surprised if Kim didn't turn out to be that upset. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:28 pm   The one problem with this being excellent strategy, is that he did not tell his old Samburu of this plan. Had he stayed with his group, Lex would be gone. If you are going to pick one Boran to go Lex is the obvious choice. Get rid of the leader. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:32 pm   I forgot to add that none of the others would have joined Lex and Lex knew that. He went for the weak. |
Car54 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:50 pm   This is so simple and brilliant, and Brandon admits in the Insider clips this is the plan. It is a done deal. Doubt if any Borans know about Frank's vote unless he told Kimj when they were traded. Yes, the Sams may be mad because he couldn't tell, but remember the Samburus are not a truly bonded team... he really could not be sure someone would not leak to Kelly and blow it. Plus, what are they going to do...Brandon in this one move just put the whole team back in the game. The other way, everything was riding on Kelly- a defector- and they might not be able to depend on her. If Brandon had voted Lex instead of Kelly, the opportunity for taking control is less- only one Boran member with prior votes- Tom, instead of 2. By targeting Kelly, then going back to Samburu- Lex has SIX votes, Tom 3 votes. Brandon re-defects to the Sams, they vote Lex this week, whoever the Borans vote has less than either Lex or Tom. If Lex wins IC, take out Tom, then SAM has the upper hand 4-3. From there on it is pretty easy. Now you have jury issues, and immunity, but with a majority, you can definitely keep picking off somebody. The only thing that is a little tricky is whoever Boran piles votes on is in some danger, but it definitely could be done. The part that I think will be truly interesting is the Boran side. From the preview, it looks like Lex goes off the deep end and makes some sort of dumb move. Tom starts to doubt Lex- Tom likes Teresa and maybe Frank.... what happens there. And what about KimJ and Ethan... if I had to guess, after Lex is gone Ethan is next because he wins challenges. So they may try to manuever- maybe T&F like Ethan and Kimj better than the mall rats... oh we have many ways to go with the Borans. Thank you Brandon. If indeed you did this- this is the most entertaining move I have ever seen on ANY of the 3 Survivors! |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:57 pm   Is there a transcript of the Insider clip anywhere? |
Grooch | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:59 pm   I'm surprised that Lex didn't get pissed off at Ethan for giving away the hackysac instead of trading for it. |
Kep421 | Friday, December 07, 2001 - 01:07 pm   There will be MsBat, after Joan posts it on Saturday....She usually makes a thread with the episode number in the title. Its great, I can never wait for her to finish it. Joan is the bestest!!!! |
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