Chickens and roosters
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Chickens and roosters
Crazydog | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:11 am   Someone can slap me for being stupid, but I have to confess that I am clueless as to the whole chicken and rooster thing. Chickens lay eggs regardless of whether or not there's a rooster, right? You need a rooster to fertilize the egg. I assume this happens BEFORE the egg is laid. How then do you know if the egg that is laid is just an egg or contains a baby chicken? And if there is no need for a rooster to get eggs, did Boran eat the rooster first? I hope so. I remember on Survivor II they ate the rooster first, but I don't think it had anything to do with eggs, it had to do with the fact that it woke them up at 5 in the morning. |
Grooch | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:18 am   I don't think they got a rooster this time. I assume the producers would be afraid the crowing would attract predators. As to the egg question, the chicken developes from the yolk. It would take some time for the chick to even begin looking like anything. So if you take the fertilized egg away the very next morning, nothing has really developed yet. |
Micknrc | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:29 am   Crazydog- Once again you're reading my mind (you should sign on w/ Miss Cleo)!! The eggs we eat are UNFERTILIZED! Have you ever gotten a store bought egg w/ the little red spot in it once you cracked it open and went Ewwwww and probably threw it out from sheer grossosity? That's a fertilized one that some rooster snuck in by accident! Many people, however, think that roosters are not for eating, since our store bought chickens are female. This is a fallacy. Europeans eat the roosters all the time--they're just a bit larger and (sometimes-unless"young")tougher--en francais s'apelle "capon" for those of us who always wondered what a capon was--a boy chicken!! I decided since S2 and now this that EPMB is testing the survivors to see what they know. If they're smart, (or have a farmer on their tribe--paging Rodger and Tom) They'll know they can eat the rooster first, saving the hens for possible egg-laying capabilities... I just think they aren't showing us the ensuing discussion on S2 or S3 the decision-making process the tribe goes through where some of this knowledge gets dispersed. Having said all that, if anything i've said here is incorrect, it's all what I THINK I remember knowing--I'm no farmer kid--I grew up in the Bronx, Bklyn, Manhattan. So you can slap me too. |
Micknrc | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:31 am   I thought I heard a rooster was in the cage... |
Grooch | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:35 am   I could be wrong about there not being a rooster. But if that is true, then I would have demanded a chicken lunch after losing the IC and getting back at camp. Just so I would feel better. |
Ark | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:39 am   You did pretty good for a kid from the Bronx, Mick. I've never had roosters and I always have plenty of eggs from my hens. They got one rooster and three chickens. I made sure I looked last night and all four were still there. I didn't understand why they didn't eat the rooster and give the hens a chance to settle down and start laying. After being moved, it sometimes takes hens a couple of days to settle in and get back to work but that rooster is useless out there, except for eating. They don't have time to hatch and raise baby chicks up to eating size so they might as well have eaten the rooster on the first night. |
Wink | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 08:52 am   I'm just glad they didn't show the "picking out" and "preparing" dinner. |
Fanny | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 09:20 am   They never did show what happened to the egg. It sure must have tasted good, that HUGE egg split 5 ways. |
Tksoard | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 09:30 am   Maybe they used it to make a batter to fry the chicken. Gee, they have a regular KFC going there!!!  |
Fanny | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 09:32 am   Clarence would say KFC is "Kill the F'ing Chicken" |
Judy | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 09:55 am   Wink- They do on he Insider Clips! They don't get too graphic- but they show Frank, Mamakim and Ethan killing and plucking the chicken. |
Wink | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 10:08 am   Thanks Judy. I'll pass. |
Mindyrama | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 10:15 am   That's my boy!!! Go Ethan! |
Karuuna | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 10:17 am   Isn't Ethan a vegetarian? |
Fanny | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 10:18 am   Not today, he isn't! I think I heard somewhere he used to be but is no more. Maybe a nice chicken dinner changed him. |
Spunky | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 11:00 am   I don't remember how the chicken got in their camp?? Did they win that?? I really should pay more attention, but last night was the first time I saw the chicken coop. Is Boran the only tribe that has it?? |
Crazydog | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 11:06 am   Spunky, the new Boran (post switch) won the chickens in the goatherding reward challenge last week. There were really funny scenes of the teams trying to get the goats to move and then finally just picking them up and putting them in the fences. Yes, only Boran got them. But don't feel bad for Samburu, they had all those spices etc. from the basket pulling challenge and then last night got the picnic. Judy, I can't get movies here at work so I couldn't see your clips, but I take it it was a chicken they ate and not the rooster? That chicken looked really good, looked like they did indeed combine the egg with the cornmeal to make a batter. |
Car54 | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 02:41 pm   They definitely DID win a rooster and 3 or 2 hens. I remember because that night, I was wondering about whether they needed the rooster for just that reason. I was wondering how they knew WHICH chicken laid they egg- maybe they killed the one who had proven laying capability. Did anyone notice the drool during the chicken-eating? |
Weinermr | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 02:52 pm   <Did anyone notice the drool during the chicken-eating?> Yep, I noticed it, and it was disgusting! They did win a rooster and I think 3 hens. I think the hens will lay eggs if there isn't a rooster around, but I'm a child of the suburbs, so I can't say for sure. There are alot of fertile minds here at TVCH, so someone I'm sure will know the answer to the egg question. |
Karuuna | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:16 pm   Hens don't need a rooster to lay eggs; the eggs won't ever hatch into chicks without a rooster however. And, if a rooster isn't present, one of the hens will sometimes take on the "protective" role of the rooster, and stop laying eggs (and even start crowing!). They do need constant temperatures and a minimum amount of daylight (14 hours) each day. The longer the daylight, the bigger the eggs. Shorter days means no eggs. That's why many egg producers have their henhouses lit 24 hours a day. They also need proper nutrition and fresh water. Stress can cause them to stop laying (such as moving to a new location, or the presence of predators). They normally lay only 1 egg per day, so even under the best of conditions, the Survivors would get up to 3 eggs a day. As I recall, they won a rooster and three chickens. If they were smart, they'd have eaten the good-for-nothing male right away.  |
Car54 | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:17 pm   wow Karuuna...do you know everything? |
Weinermr | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:20 pm   It seems to me if someone started referring to good-for-nothing females in ANY context they would be in big trouble around here. It should be the same the other way around. Shouldn't it? Signed, Thin-skinned male |
Karuuna | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:22 pm   Lol, Car. Hardly. My voting in the Amazing Race thread and the Survivor Deadpool are proof postive that I know very little! However, some of friends of mine live in Alaska, and are subsistence farmers. She has a lovely flock of chickens, so I sent her an Email. Apparently trying to raise chickens and have eggs in the extreme seasons of Alaska has forced her to learn a few things. I know a few things about good-for-nothing males tho.  |
Karuuna | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 03:25 pm   Weiner - of course I was referring to good-for-nothing male roosters. Male weiners are a whole 'nuther story!! They're funny, intelligent, and add a great deal to message boards. Seriously, no offense was intended, my apologies if I did. I'll go crawl back under my rock now.  |
Car54 | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 04:05 pm   I learn the most interesting things reading this board. Yesterday it was about salad choppers to buy on TV, today it is chicken farming. Far out. |
Weinermr | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 05:38 pm   I keep running afowl of people today. I wonder why. |
Babyruth | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 06:18 pm   Well now, let's not get feathers all ruffled over this. I think the communication here is in many layers, and got a bit scrambled. Maybe the chick didn't know what thin shells the sensitive males can have. Nobody needs to feel henpecked over this. So think this over easy, quiche and make up, you two. |
Kathi25 | Friday, November 16, 2001 - 10:21 pm   very cute Babyruth!! LOL |
Ophiliasgrandma | Friday, November 23, 2001 - 09:51 am   Last night they showed a closed up of the chicken pen. I couldn't believe my eyes...two hens and a rooster. The idjets ate a hen! |
Max | Friday, November 23, 2001 - 11:28 am   Yup. On the GoldPass clips, they showed more of the "chicken dinner selection" and it was clear that they butchered a hen. Pretty silly. Plus, last night's episode had the rooster crowing. I guess they think they need the rooster. City folk thinking, perhaps?  |
Karuuna | Friday, November 23, 2001 - 01:54 pm   Perhaps Max. And I doubt they knew which hen had laid the egg. I haven't seen anything more about eggs, so it's quite likely that they killed the one hen that was producing. |
Weinermr | Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:05 pm   The yolk is on them then, isn't it? |
Weinermr | Friday, November 23, 2001 - 02:05 pm   Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eggs! |
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