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Archive through November 03, 2001
Spunky | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 09:13 am   I don't know but I'm following the show as much as anybody else but I must have missed something because I was really surprised to see so many votes for Silas. He's my favorite so far and I just don't know why he almost lost last night. Any of you know??? |
Crazydog | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 09:22 am   Spunky, you must not be following the show or these threads very closely....sorry, but if you can't see any problems with his behavior you must be on the wrong channel. Silas purportedly formed an alliance with the old ones on the first show. They knew there was an equal split of old and young and thought that he was their best chance to come to their side. He said he would. It was fairly evident during the Carl vote that he did not do that. Linda said he kept talking about how honorable he was, and that the old ones felt doublecrossed. People here on the boards seem to think he is smarmy and overconfident. He seems to think he is in control and is the master manipulator, when he really is not. |
Mindyrama | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 09:37 am   Did you hear him last night?..'You might as well write me out that check now'..phhltt! |
Kep421 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 09:57 am   It is his condensending attitude towards the other players that gets on my nerves. Forming alliances and a certain amount of backstabbing is part of the game. But Silas made a pact with one alliance and then immediately went to the others, told them about the alliance and made it seem like the oldsters were wrong in trying to form an alliance against the younsters. He purposely fanned the embers of resentment that were smoldering amongst the younger tribe members until the heat split the tribe in two. Once the oldsters became a minority, he tried to put out the flames he so carefully nurtured (trying to reunite the tribe) thinking he would then become the undisputed leader of Samburu. I personally think that Silas didn't want to be part of the oldster's alliance because he would not be the dominate force and the older tribe members were not as easily manipulated as the younger set. Time will tell if he has the brains and maturity to succeed with his strategy. I personally do not think he does. |
Karuuna | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 10:01 am   As I recall, the older group asked politely to know who the young snobs were going to vote out at Tribal Council. The Y's refused. Having refused that simple request, the Y's (headed by Silas) then asked the older ones to *help* them by casting their votes for Lindsey. And then were surprised and annoyed that the older group wouldn't agree to that. So, part of my annoyance with Silas The Arrogant, was his refusal to meet their simple and fair request; but then getting all bent at them for not doing what he wanted them to do. |
Crazydog | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 10:20 am   Karunna, I'm not sure. I thought that the young ones asked them to vote for Lindsey (as an aside, I'm still not sure why she would want to do this. if she went into a hypothetical equal merge with 7 votes, wouldn't boran just pick her off? wouldn't they want to spread the votes around so nobody has too many? I don't get it). Teresa retorted, "what's in it for us". Silas said "nothing". Then Teresa said "well, if I'm getting voted off, I want to know. Who's it going to be." Then Brandon said, "we asked you to help us and you said what's in for me, so we're not going to tell you." Does anyone recall this exchange more clearly? |
Lauram | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 10:23 am   I am quite certain that Silas won't win the Million because MB wouldn't have aired Silas' comment about the check if he had in fact won. In numerous interviews, MB stated that he was uncertain whether he should air Richard Hatche's similaar comment, but since it was the first show and a get to know you line he did. If Silas were to win, that comment would be just too cliche for two winners to have said. |
Kep421 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 10:30 am   No Crazy, I think the oldsters asked first and were flatly told no. Then when the youngsters asked them to vote for Lindsey, the "...whats in it for me?" statement was made. That's when they started talking about why should they vote the way Silas wanted them too if they couldn't know who was being voted off. That's the way I remember the conversation. |
Honey51 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 10:54 am   Kep421, I agree the oldsters asked first and were refused. Then Silas asked for a "favor. I'm glad he got the 3 votes. |
Karuuna | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:08 am   That's what I recall too. The oldsters asked quietly if they could know. The Y's refused. Then the Y's asked for the voting favor. The O's were unhappy about the Y's refusal to let them know who was being voted off and then asking for a favor, so the O's refused. Then the O's asked again if they could know who was being voted off. The "what's in for us" was an attempt to get them to tell them who was being voted off, in exchange for the O's voting the way the Y's wanted them to. I think they wanted all the votes to go to Lindsey, so that all the previous votes when the tribes merged would be on one person. Since previous votes count in the event of a tie, I think the Young Samburus were assuming that going into the merger the Borons would not know who previously had votes. So, in the event of a tie vote after the merge (between one Boron and one Samburu), if only one S had previous votes, then it would be less likely that was the S in a tie vote. If the votes are spread around the S's, in the event of a tie, then it would be more likely that an S with previous votes would lose a tiebreaker. Does that make sense? |
Crazydog | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:12 am   Oh, Ok Karuuna, I get it now on the voting. But that doesn't take into account the fact that one very disgruntled old Samburu would join up with Boran or tell them out of spite because they knew they would be out anyway. Not only are they bratty, but they don't think things far enough in advance - that's their problem. they act with no regard to the future consequences. In any event, it will all be moot if there is a 3 tribe split. |
Resortgirl | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:14 am   Kind of makes sense but I sure wouldn't have agreed to it if I were Lindsey. |
Car54 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:26 am   Spunky, did you like Will a lot in BB2? Crazydog, that is sort of the point...they think they will vote off F&T before the merge, and Lindsay feels so secure in her "friends" that she is willing to take the votes, thinking they would never tell... if they got in a clinch, they would vote her out in a heartbeat! I think Frank's "game plan" is to make himself useful getting water, working, helping win challenges, and if they win enough IC's make it to the merge- then sing like a canary to the older members of Boran! The danger I see it if they do merge, Clarence is not truly bonded with the Borans... I could see him latching onto the mallrats and adding to their numbers. I think Kelly is ok, I suspect she has stuff going on with Ethan, they are both in the right age range to make "friends". Just my 2 cents! |
Moondance | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:30 am   "mallrats" That is perfect Car54! |
Chance | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:31 am   I think Silas was arrogant beyond belief last night with his vote for Lindsey junk. I also thought Lindsey was a joke with her flip on olders because they dared TO VOTE FOR HER !!!! i CAN'T STAND THAT YOUNG GROUP !!!!!!! |
Realfan | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:34 am   <<(as an aside, I'm still not sure why she would want to do this. if she went into a hypothetical equal merge with 7 votes, wouldn't boran just pick her off? wouldn't they want to spread the votes around so nobody has too many? I don't get it).>> I think they were hoping that if Lindsey got all the votes, AND they were able to keep that fact secret, then if the Boran members voted for anyone else at that first post-merge tribal council, they wouldn't win since no one else would have votes against them. Last year, the former Kuchas hoped Colby had votes against him, while the Oggies learned from Kim that Jeff definitely had at least one vote. Knowing Jeff had a vote is what gave them the advantage. What the short-sighted, selfish SamBrats don't realize is if they go in with five, the remaining oldster will hardly keep it a secret who has votes against them! Bwaaaaa-hahahahahaaaa! It MIGHT be a sound strategy |
Kep421 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 12:54 pm   You know what I found as funny? The look on Lindsey's face when her group suggested that she get all the oldster's votes. If you looked closely, I don't think she knew that was coming and I don't think she saw the rationale behind it. I think she didn't say anything because she was afraid of being on the "outs" with her group. Lindsey certainly couldn't go over to the oldster's group after the way she treated them. It could be just me, but that's what I saw on Lindsey's face during that conversation. |
Car54 | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 02:09 pm   FYI, there is a thread over on another board that the Samburu brats are practicing cannibalism...losing the challenges to get rid of the olders. I think Silas (Mr "trust me") had Lindsay convinced that they would merge with 4- and that she can totally trust the brats. What does he care if she gets picked off? After the merge, you play for yourself... and he doesn't know the Borans, he may think he can form an alliance there. Now that Silas has votes, several things have changed... Teresa just signed her death warrant- if 2 out of 3 of them voted for Silas, she could have played like she voted for Lindsay as requested and since she is very nice and easy to get along with, they might have voted Frank. Now that the elders voted together, it is between her and Frank and Frank has more use to them for work and challenges. It is clear to the brats that Teresa is not their friend. I am a little concerned that Frank may have tipped his hand a bit answering Jeff's question about his "game plan". Now that Silas has votes, he has to stay with the brats...even if they merge with 4- he has to keep them happy or they spill it to the Borans. Personally I think they were just disorganized in the challenge. I don't think they are smart enough to think of losing on purpose. I really do hope MB does something this week to mix things up and spoil all this planning! |
Muse | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 06:55 pm   Car54, I don't necessarily think that Will fans are more likely to like Silas. Will was my favorite BB2 contestant, but I can't stand Silas. I mean, he's not as infuriating as a Guido or anything, but he's still pretty bad. I don't like Silas because he's arrogant without having anything to back it up. He doesn't seem particularly intelligent, and his game plan is seriously lacking (if it even exists - I almost think that he just thought that he should form an alliance and that it'd be enough - the votes for Lindsey were almost an afterthought). He's not entertaining like Will was, either. I don't think excessive arrogance is a positive quality for anyone, but it's especially grating when it's totally unjustified. I don't have a problem with someone being a bit conniving on these shows, but I think there needs to be a game plan behind it. I didn't mind Silas' speech on his knee (in fact, I thought it was needed - Samburu *did* need to work together for the challenges, and he didn't seem as insincere as Linda seemed to think), but his confessional-type comments show some big strategic flaws. Write him a check? Why? There's no way he'll win. At this point, it'd be surprising if anyone from Samburu made it to the final two. Silas isn't as funny as Will, as cunning as Richard Hatch, or as nice/manipulative as Tina. His nastiness shines right through. He's arrogant and stupid. I don't think he's particularly loyal to the GenX'ers, either. If it ever benefits him to betray one of them at some point during the game, I think he'd do it...he told Theresa he'd tell anyone *anything*, after all. (Btw - my apologies to Spunky or anyone else who might like Silas...but you asked ) |
Spunky | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 07:58 pm   I hated Will at first but ended up preferring him to the rest of them. As for Silas, I really didn't pay attention, after all I read here I know I should stop watching the show in Fast Forward mode...and yes, also follow the discussion here more often. Thanks for explaining. |
Voyeur | Friday, November 02, 2001 - 10:25 pm   The smart thing for Silas to do would be to get with the olders and dump all the votes on Lindsay, then if Samburu loses another challenge, they kick her off, leaving them with only one person having a single vote in the event of a tie breaker and still having a 3-2 majority over the oldsters. But Silas ain't that smart. |
Car54 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 02:52 am   LOL Spunky!-Me too! Joan, I agree with you on Silas...one of his problems is he clearly watched too much Survivor & maybe big brother before this show... he simply copying what better players have done before him without the smarts to have his own strategy! So far, I have seen him try to ape Richard Hatch and Colby several times....badly. Will had a creative approach. I didn't like him at first, but I have to say, he won my respect by the end of the show- he was smart, creative, and true to his plan. I totally agree with you about the arrogance. But I have seen several posters calling the young ones mean or evil. IMO they are neither...they are simply stupid and immature. They showed this in the scene this week when the elders asked to be told who was going.. the young ones literally could not imagine how the elders felt-and were cocky and inconsiderate in their handling of the situation. I don't think they are evil or bad people...just dumb. I have really disliked it when they look into the camera and flat-out lie, in diary interviews or when Jeff asks questions at TC. Again, that is dumb- they are on camera at all times...we know what they are doing! DUMB! And if you go member by member, each of them is trying to copy strategies they have seen before instead of being in the moment and truly playing the game THEY are in- they are trying to re-play S1 or S2...and it shows. |
Kep421 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 05:58 am   Silas and Will have absolutely nothing in common. Will is smarter, funnier, cuter and ten times the leader Silas thinks he is. I believe Silas' strategy backfired on him because he overestimated the maturity of the younger members of his tribe and underestimated the intelligence of the older members. He did not take the time to get to know any of them before he put his plan into action. He encouraged the split that had begun between the youngsters and oldsters and then after the younsters had gained dominance, he tried to re-unite the tribe with him as their leader. But he failed miserably because the youngsters were not willing to make nice and just wanted to rub their victory in the oldsters' faces. This shows he absolutely does not have the control over them he thinks he has. The oldsters also saw what was happening and refused to play along with his strategy. Will was conniving, manipulative and a pure joy to watch. Silas is an idiot. Oh, wait, make that an arrogrant idiot. |
Keiffer | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 11:30 am   It seems to me that it was the Elders that came to Sillas at first wanting him to vote with them to get rid of the young people. It was their strategy from the start to get rid of the youngsters. These older people that everyone is so happy to call smart played it pretty stupid. To begin with in each BB and Survivor a younger person and an older person teaming up has been the best move. Also the elders got upset because the young ones didnt want to fetch water, and instead of trying harder to bring everyone together they decided to make the split. The older people set the table, and now they can not complain about the food. Sillas did the only smart thing he could do. If there was going to be a split with all the physical challenges coming who would you want, the younger people or older people to try to go to the merge ahead with? |
Kep421 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 12:08 pm   Sorry Keiffer, I don't buy your statement. That is just another senario where the older people are to blame for the bad behavior and immaturity of the younger people. What hogwash!!! Carl, Frank, Linda and Theresa didn't sign up for this gig so that they could raise someone else's badly behaved children. I don't see why they would have to walk around on egg shells and kiss Lindsey's, Brandon's, Silas' and Kim's butts to get them to cooperate with the team and do their fair share of the work. They are supposed to be adults and willing to take on responsiblities for their own actions, or lack of action, as the case may be. Prime example, Brandon complained that he wasn't being allowed to do any of the work because the older people always got the water before he decided to get out of bed. So then when the older people sat back and waited for them to get up to get water and it ended being so late in the day, Brandon again blamed the older people for not telling him the water level was so low. That appears to be the attitude of the whole young group. Nothing is their fault, they are totally blameless. Yeah, right.... Yes, the older people, namely Carl tried to form an alliance first. That's how the game is played. The only stupid mistake they made was choosing Silas, who immediately ran back to his contemporaries and fanned the flames of resentment towards the older group. The older people totally misjudged Silas and the qualities they thought he possessed just weren't there. That mistake cost them two people from their group. Now the young ones were in a position of dominance and had the perfect opportunity to attempt to heal the tribe. Did they? Uh.....no. They did everything they could to rub their victory in the older groups noses. I don't think anyone thinks the older people are "smarter" than the younger people in the Samburu tribe. I think it is more likely a question of maturity. Its not that the older people have a such high level of maturity, it is just that the younger people's maturity level is so low. |
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