Archive through December 13, 2001
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Archive through December 13, 2001
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 03:42 pm   I don't like that thought, Moon. I want her to go far because if she goes far that means that Boran does not get control, and if Boran does not get control, fruitbat is much happier and if fruitbat is much happier, everyone she lives with is happy and they in turn spread that joy and before you know it there is world peace. |
Moondance | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 04:31 pm   I do want you to be happy MsBat... this is very important to me! |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 05:27 pm   I think Carl wanted to get to know her better because Carl is a hound dog! He wouldnt get to know her better because she was the quietest mallrat when they were on the same team and she is on the jury. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 05:31 pm   I won't hear of it Car. |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 06:22 pm   I have a question- does anyone remember when Boran won the fresh water- didn't JP say they had enough to last til the merge? Last week when Kelly was asking Lex who everyone was voting for, weren't they still getting water out of the tank? Do you think they gave them more? They have many more people now- how could water for 5 or 6 last a week longer for 9 people? They also had more waterbottles and canteens. Maybe because people are getting sick? |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 06:30 pm   I mentioned this in another thead. I think they are giving them water now. It is clear they had to hospitalize several cast members for amoebic dysentary and that is a serious problem. I suspect they gave up on the water holes and are supplying water and editing all references to that fact. |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 06:35 pm   I think they had 100 gallons of water and he said they would have enough for a gallon each a day until the merge. Maybe I am wrong but I thought he said something like that. The water could last longer if they just used it for drinking. Maybe they refilled it for drinking because of the sickness and are just not making an issue of it. Can't have much of a game if the contestants keep getting sick. |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 06:40 pm   Survivor Stars Felled By Disease Paul Bannister- Star Magazine In a secret that was kept from millions of TV viewers, three Survivor III contestants were hospitalized with a deadly disease during filming of the reality series. Producers of the CBS show kept it hush-hush, but Star has learned that Lindsey Richter, 27, Lex Van Den Berghe, 38, and Clarence Black, 24, spent time in an African hospital being treated for amoebic dysentry, a disease that claims 50,000 lives annually - and gives new meaning to the term Survivor! "They almost certainly got it from water infected with animal feces," explains Dr. Scott Johnson, an expert on the disease. It can live in a patient undetected for years. If it's not treated, it can kill." Lindsey, who was booted off during week 6 of the 16-week contest, fought potentially deadly dysentery while filming the program and for weeks after she returned to the U.S. "Lindsey got kidney pains early in the show," says Portland, Ore., advertising exec's best friend, Tiffany Brugger, 27. "She thought it was dehydration and they took her to a hospital in Nairobi, where she was put on intravenous liquids. They took her back to the same hospital after she was voted off and when she got home to Portland, she went to a local hospital as well." Lindsey admitted on a recent appearance on the Howard Stern radio show that she was hospitalized in Africa. "An ambulance had to come and take me to the hospital." she revealed. "I was able to return to the show. Nobody was supposed to know this, but after I was voted off, I had to be taken back to the hospital." Lindsey wasn't the only Survivor who was taken ill. Clarence, a basketball coach from Detroit, was rushed to Nairobi's St. James Hospital during filming the first week in August. A Physician from Washington,D.C., who also was felled by intestinal infection, occupied the bed next to the stricken Survivor. "From the nurses, the doc learned his roomate was a cast member from an American TV show and the nurse wasn't supposed to talk about it," says a source. Clarence went back to the Survivor camps to compete for the $1 million prize, but then tattooed surfer dad Lex Van Den Berghe was struck by the bug. "Lex told me he was really ill," says a California friend of the Santa Cruz Survivor. "He was treated in the Nairobi hospital. When he got home, his wife Kelly was shocked at how terrible he looked." But Lex, Clarence and Lindsey were lucky. The disease can be deadly, says Dr. Johnson - and no one on Survivor should be considered out of the woods, yet. "Dysentery is a serious infection," says the doctor, who has not treated the Survivor contestants. |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 06:47 pm   I said the same thing Fruit, Notice how they all have high quality plastic drinking canteens now too. Kelly was even holding one when Jeff snuffed out her torch when she was booted. Also, that water tank was only supposed to supply a gallon a day until the merge. Well, it is well past the merge now, and they still seem to have pleanty of water. (Plus, Boran lost fewer members - therefor needed more gallons) I've lived in hot, dry climates. One needs MORE THAN a gallon a day, especially with the activities they are doing, and they are unable to seek cool shelter in mid-day. The production has to be supplying them with clean water. Not that I blame CBS. Those bugs can be really difficult to treat. If they didn't like Stacy Stillmen suing them, imaging an entire cast suing them for recklessly endangering their health. (that is what I thought CBS was doing when I saw what they considered an ok water source.) Ick!! |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 06:54 pm   They should have done this from the start. We have not heard the end of this. A friend of mine traveled to India 6 years ago and is still not free from this disease. |
Car54 | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 07:43 am   I was reading some speculation on some other boards, and was wondering... how tight are Ethan and Lex? If Lex is looking vulnerable this week, would Ethan throw the immunity challenge to help his buddy? |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 08:53 am   Car....I think he would definately do that. It would be saving himself as well. It is important to the boys that they all stay. Without Lex Ethan is very vulnerable. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 08:55 am   No on second thought he may not. It would leave Tom open for the vote. So he would accomplish nothing as far as saving his alliance. |
Car54 | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 09:20 am   I am having a hard time gauging Ethan. On one hand he has been very competitive with people like Clarence and Silas, yet he has followed the team on voting. I think he is really playing a very quiet game. Hope he has sense enough not to win the challenge. I was really kind of surprised with the conversation between he and Lex in the truck on booting Kelly. Pretty telling about his real thinking. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 05:16 pm   Alrighty, my final thingkings: As much as we want to see more drama there is a formula to stay in the game. That is...... aligning so the numbers work. No matter how you may feel about another you want to stay to the end. Brandon needs to rejoin SAM. SAM needs him, he needs SAM. 4/4 split with old teams (no one could possibly trust new alliances right now) Boran votes for either Theresa or Brandon. SAM votes either Lex or Tom because of previous votes, avoiding a tie quiz. Depending on IC either is the target. I voted for Tom. Too much in the promos and show steering us to Lex. LEX IC has to be with this logic. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 05:53 pm   Car, As far as Ethan goes, I think he has a very tight team with Lex, Tom, and elder Kim. Kelly said as much. They are not going to give up their voting block. Kelly was totally annoyed by Lex, and she still did not agree to vote against him - until it was made abundantly clear to her that they had abandoned her. I think Ethan is willing to go along with whatever his team decides. Makes no matter to him, as long as it is not his allience. Let Lex be the decision maker. If Lex plays the power-broker, the more likely he is too be resented and disliked at the final vote. On a more general note, Lex made a BIG boo boo getting all freaked out by the supposed Kelly vote. What if it had been her? So? It was a lone vote (except for Clarence's). What power did it have? There was no allience with it. If they didn't like her, why not wait until all the Sam.s were gone. Then boot Kelly first of the remaining allience. Would have been four to one. A previous vote would not have mattered. But still, my GUT says Lex makes it to the final two. Can't help but to hope my "gut" is as accurate as Lex's. |
Car54 | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 10:13 pm   Fruitbat, I totally agree with one question- why would Boran pick Teresa and not Frank? They know of his one vote from Silas. Otherwise I think we have argued each other into total agreement. <Just want to warn you, I am the George Costanza of Survivor.... whatever my instinct say...do the OPPOSITE!> Gina- good analysis. I totally agree with you on Lex. I think Samburu and Boran are really two tribes each with 2 alliances of 2. I think F&T are a pair, Kp&B are a pair and L&T are a pair, E&Kj are a pair. They are getting to the place where an alliance of 4 is too many. From the preview, I think something is going to shake up the Boran pairs. A boot, a betrayal... not sure. I am not sure Ethan has a long-term commitment to anyone but himself. I think he has let others plan the boots so far- which has kept his hands relatively clean. The time is coming when he will need to be a more visible decision maker, and I will be interested in how that goes. |
Moondance | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 10:18 pm   So Car... how are you voting this time? |
Car54 | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 10:27 pm   Tom Off Lex IC Kimj On Everything hinges on IC this week. |
Moondance | Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 10:29 pm   That's for sure ... I do think Lex will try really hard to win it I am torn between... Tom and Brandon = Off |
Car54 | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 04:58 am   Moon, I am still a little unsettled with Tom too. I am between Tom and Frank. The only way I see Brandon is if BOTH teams are so mad they team up and vote him off. (could happen!) I think tho I'm sticking with Tom so far. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 05:33 am   . |
Britchick | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 10:12 am   I'm really struggling with my votes this week (and every week) and have appreciated having your comments to read. I agree with most of what's been said. Car makes a good point though - what if KimP especially (who is the possible "pair" with Brandon) feels so betrayed by Brandon that she looks to shift her alliance? She knows that she's not solid with Frank (in particular) and Theresa. How about she tries to go to KimJ or Ethan and say "I'll vote Brandon if you guys do"? Would they go along with it and risk everything? Well, it's not so big a risk because if Brandon is returning to Samburu then Lex or Tom is gone. They can't both win immunity after all! The only problem with that is if Lex, the man with the most unreliable gut feelings since the ones I had at 16 telling me my then-boyfriend was a nice guy, believes B is still with them, he may not go for this... He's in a tricky situation now anyway since he's "promised" 5th place to both Frank and Brandon so he has to show his hand somehow. All a bit garbled and doesn't get me any nearer a decision about who goes this week. I'm just trying to concoct a situation where Boran aren't doomed (sorry Fruitbat) and Ethan gets to win the whole thing. |
Urgrace | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 10:31 am   According to the promos for tonights show, Kimp is not happy with the way voting is going and acts offended. She could very well side with the Borans against Brandon! |
Car54 | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 01:59 pm   You know, it wouldn't be the first time the previews and clues were misleading. I would not be surprised if Brandon left himself a bridge back to Samburu. I am thinking he has a contact- T or Kimp who knows more than we think, and the shot we saw may have been them "acting" for the benefit of the Borans. Nothing will surprise me this week |
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