Could Clarence=Evil Dr. Will?

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Awareinva

Saturday, October 13, 2001 - 08:32 am Click here to edit this post
Could Clarence be angling for the "bad boy" we love to hate role? I was thinking this morning that Will (from Big Brother 2) would have totally done something like eat some food to gain an advantage- but then apologize for it.

I don't think from what I saw on the show that Clarence could pull if off, but I didn't like Will at first either. We didn't see much of Clarence until the confrontation with the food- I wonder if he could be smart enough to be playing the crowd. And did he maybe go to the younger crowd and tell them- hey, I screwed up but you need me for these challenges, and Diane was guilty too and she is weak. Thus helping their decision to boot her not him. Goat farmer Tom probably isn't hanging out with the younger crowd, thus his decision to vote Clarence.

Clarence should know that his position will be safe for the first three votes anyway (really anything pre-merger). Then maybe after that much time has passed he thinks he can charm the others into keeping him. If he has the "Will charm" he could play the "I know I am skating on thin ice and I'll be good- so go ahead and vote one of the others out" angle. It was risky if that was strategy- but logically, who would vote the strong guy out over the sickly woman?

What do you think? I know myself, I would be just as angry at the dodo's who decided for the group to pour out our only potable water and force the group to drink polluted water!

Bracken

Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 10:01 am Click here to edit this post
I disagree that Will would eat food if he were on Survivor, he didn't take the payoff for pbj, he only psychologically undermined the other houseguests.

You may be right, however, that Clarence may be setting himself up as the "evil one." While his physical strength may carry him somewhat, his behavior is bound to cause a negative effect on his tenure. He doesn't appear to be nearly as smart or as charming as the evil doctor.

Based on the first show audition tapes, I disliked him and the dentist the most. How each of them behave in Africa will be interesting since both exhibited such large egos in their audition tapes.

Car54

Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 10:50 am Click here to edit this post
I agree with Bracken, I don't think Clarence is the Will type... I think he was hungry and just didn't think it through... I think he was expecting the physical challenges of the game, but I thought he looked genuinely surprised and hurt when everyone was on his back (understandable if Diane set him up).
I think up to then he was trying to come across like the tough warrior guy, but I wonder how he will be now- since he has been the brunt of the groups anger.

Kep421

Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 03:01 pm Click here to edit this post
Clarence reminds me more of Gervase from SurvivorI. I don't think he really thought of taking the food as a big deal at the time and he was genuinely surprised at everyone's reaction. I also don't think he even realized he took an extra cherrie. It appeared to me he was only doing what he normally does, taking care of his own needs.

Clarence reminds me of Gervase because he is looking out for the comforts of #1. Gervase was agreeable with everyone but always found a way to avoid whatever it was he didn't want to do. It always amazed me that Gervase was so lazy, yet he remained week after week. I think Clarence will also be successful in that way.

Crazydog

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 07:44 am Click here to edit this post
I agree Kep! Clarence is just like Gervase in that he cares only for his own well being. But I think the difference is that even the other Survivors admitted that Gervase was extremely charming. I don't see that with Clarence. He strikes me as someone who is very confrontational and defensive. Gervase knew he wasn't pulling his fair weight and had no problem with it. Clarence doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong. He doesn't understand why they were so mad at him. It didn't even occur to him that others would be ticked - his thought process extended to... beans... MUST consume. He's not particularly bright - the elevator doesn't go up to the top floor.

Syrabrian

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 09:30 am Click here to edit this post
What's the point of keeping a muscular athlete in your tribe if you force him to eat as little as everybody else. If Clarence doesn't eat more than his skinny little tribemates, he's going to be useless for challenges.

To use the machine, you have to feed the machine!

Twiggyish

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 09:42 am Click here to edit this post
Syra, I agree.
Clarence did what he needed to do for strength. I think he's there to win. Whether he is Dr. Evil remains to be seen.

Realtvfan

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 09:55 am Click here to edit this post
One of the issues involved here that will never get resolved is that portion control for fairness to everyone means that food is distributed by BMI (Body Fat index) and weight with BMI contributing to 2/3 of the equation for who gets what.

If you are walking around with all that muscle and 220 lbs to boot you have two strikes against you if you are only allowed the same portion as a 100 lbs contestant with no muscle. Clarence has a scientific case for saying that he needs 2 cherries and extra beans to help the team with the physical challenges because muscle deteriorates much more quickly that fat in these circumstances.

Tom does not earn two cherries with all that weight because Tom's BMI is a mess with all that fat on his system.

Needless to say, you would never be able to sell that argument to the smaller contestests in this game unless one of them was a sport scientist professor.

You want to give Clarence 2 or 3 portions for most of the other contestents. But no one there will accept that arguement to help the team.

Awareinva

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 10:04 am Click here to edit this post
Excellent points! I hadn't really thought about that more food for the bigger/stronger participants before. (And me a biologist! Parents are wondering what all that college education was good for :))

At least early in the tribal competitions they would be better off giving the stronger people some extra food. (I agree- old Tom has a good fat stockpile and wouldn't need extra.) But if that was Clarence's purpose- he still should have asked! What bad manners! Remember that for the future if anyone from the Clubhouse get on Survivor 4!

And also you guys are right-- Clarence is more a Gervase wannabe than an Evil Dr., but wouldn't it be great to see someone use the Will strategy on this game?

Crazydog

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 01:09 pm Click here to edit this post
I agree about the fact that more mass should deserve more food, but the problem is the way he went about it. He should have had a civil discussion with everyone beforehand, just so his actions don't get misinterpreted (as they clearly were). He could have solved a lot of his problems if he had thought before he acted.

Mssilhouette

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 02:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Bah I think Clarence is a good guy whom Diane tried to get in trouble. I also think he just happened not to be thinking about the cherries at he time. As I said in another post if soccer boy had issues with that he should have said something. It's not as if Clarence hid his cherry eating.

Tom's yelling at Clarance was over the top and really beyond losing a can of beans, when he was taking care of a sick woman, that he liked to his mother.

I also think Clarence took the yelling well and without much guff. He wasn't defensive about it he simply explained the situation while Tom was ranting and raving.

Clarence was shocked by Diane's lie and clearly he was hurt. So I don't think he's a Dr Evil or Will.

I do think that they need to have a villan on both tribes so Clarence got voted and so did the Mlitary guy of the other tribe.

Overall Clarence made a mistake and didn't really think about at the time...Error made, lesson learned.

I didn't exactly see Tom pushing Clarence out the way durning the immunity challenge so he could run up the mountain...So basically they'll get over him eating some beans and cherries.

Awareinva

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 07:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Maybe its because he's from my state- but I kind of liked old Tom the goat farmer! I know quite a few "good ole boys" like him. He was kind of high and mighty, but come on-- they had only been there 2 1/2 days and these two are eating one of maybe 10 cans of food! I think that the others agreed totally with Tom, but let him take the brunt of the discussion.

I did think Clarence handled himself well in his responses (except for the "errr.... I threw the can away when I went for sunscreen." Hard to not get defensive when someone is coming at you like old Tommie boy did. So I think Clarence has good possibilities for redemtion with the team.

Diane totally was as guilty, if not more, and it ticked me off that none of them called her down for it in the public forum like Clarence. I guess she got her own in the end, but I bet she was the one saying "I'm sick, I need some liquid, let's eat some beans."

Crazydog

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 08:24 am Click here to edit this post
We'll see how Clarence turns out, he could turn out to be a decent guy after all. But just watching him, there will be mighty more food issues. I read in an article that Jeff Probst said that unlike the first two Survivors, there are no fish or pigs or animals to hunt, and that they will have to learn to subsist off the land. Food management will be a big problem, and this will be an even bigger problem if Clarence can't deal with it. By day two Clarence can't help himself from eating probably the whole can of beans? I still don't understand why he didn't consider saving some for everyone. Whether or not Diane lied and asked him to open it, he still took it upon himself to think of #1 before the others. Did he not consider that maybe the others were hungry as well? Why did he have to eat? He said he opened them for Diane, he could have given her some and saved the rest for later. This type of behavior will get him into trouble. Silhouette, as far as being cast as the villain, you can't be cast as a villain unless you do something that is viewed as wrong. Whether or not he remains the villain depends on his own actions.

Mssilhouette

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 10:21 am Click here to edit this post
Well Crazy, I never said him eating the beans without remembering the rest of them was exactly right. I just said he made a mistake and obviously from this thread for now he's the villian.

Aware, I agree about Diane I thought it was highly unfair of them to believe her when obviously she ate as well. But she's gone so that's what she gets.

Tom was fine (until I saw his butt crack...lol) up until the point where he went overboard on Clarence. Clarance apologized to everyone and they still weren't happy and Tom was still going off. Hell there's nothing you can do about it the beans are gone the guy is sorry and won't do it again. End of discussion.

Tom chewing out of Clarence went overboard in my opinion. Yeah he had a right to get pissed but clearly his anger went beyond a bit of can and beans. We'll see how these two fair by next Thursday.

Quietstorm4

Tuesday, October 16, 2001 - 10:52 am Click here to edit this post
I say get rid of Tom and keep Clarence. Tom will be more of a hindrance in weeks to come. He is such an annoying edited..."I can forgive, but I don't forget"...please. I can't wait to forget him.

I don't know if anyone watched the post survivor game show on E!TV, but they had survivors from the past two seasons. Rich and Kimmy made interesting observations about the bean incident. Rich said that Clarence proved himself to be human and fallable and did it early on. He thought it was a good thing. Kimmy said that each day someone pisses you off more than the day before. Maybe Clarence just got his out of the way. Now it's someone else's turn.

Let's see how Tom feels when he messes up (and I'm sure his day is coming).

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