Archive through December 14, 2001
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Archive through December 14, 2001
Joan | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 06:03 pm   We have to have one! Ethan and Lex were my favourites for getting to the final 2 but now I think Lex is a paranoid, controlling, manipulative ass! I as astounded by how he tried to make Tom think Frank was going to vote him off. HORRIBLE! I like how the tide seems to be turning and people did not fall prey to his little "vote with me or get picked off" pitch. |
Urgrace | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 06:15 pm   Yes, did you notice there were only TWO votes for Frank, which means everyone else voted for Brandon.... Brandon and Lex were Frank's two votes. Samburu's number went down to three, and Boran may have four left but not all thinking the same. Tom may be the key to everything next week! |
Urgrace | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 06:18 pm   What I was trying to say is Lex didn't sway T/E/MK to vote his way after all. |
Gina8642 | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 06:28 pm   True Urgrace, but he made his reasons very clear. Next week he won't have a conflict. He will be happy to vote with his allience next week. And, if he does make it to the final two, he just garenteed himself Brandon's vote. I think Mark Burnett is setting up the editing just like season one. Every episode of season one, I just kept thinking "Why don't they just vote out that idiot Rich". Now, I think the same thing about Lex episode to episode. In the first season they made it seem like every week Rich might possibly go, but no, somehow Rich would make it through - by the skin of his teeth with every disliking/distrusting him. MB knows the value of a "Man we love to Hate". That is Lex, I think MB is thrilled to have another one. |
Joan | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 07:20 pm   I don't know, he basically chose his promise to Brandon over his alliance with Boran. Not only that but he bashed Frank to Tom and tried to force everyone to go along with him. He could be in hot water with them now. This group seems a lot more focused on loyalty and integrity than Rich's group. |
Wink | Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 08:15 pm   Gina said: >>>True Urgrace, but he made his reasons very clear. Next week he won't have a conflict. He will be happy to vote with his allience next week<<< Gina he may not have an alliance next week. I agree with Joan. I think he made some mega mistakes and he will be treading water from here on in. It was very enjoyable to see his power trip "short circuit". |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:04 am   Lex, Tom and Ethan shook on an alliance to take each other to the end very early on. I do not see any of them going back on that. There is absolutely no reason for any of them to defect no matter how they feel about each other. They have a ticket to the final 3 and are using KimJ to get there. |
Car54 | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:46 am   I think that alliance may not be final. Lex broke it himself last night. Lex broke with his whole team over Brandon. |
Willi | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 05:04 am   Lex did break up his alliance with Tom & Ethan last night. I can only hope that Tom & Ethan will see it that way. |
Resortgirl | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 05:05 am   I have to admit I don't like Lex as much as I did at the beginning (when I hardly knew him..LOL) but I still think he has a chance to go all the way to the final four and possibly 2. I don't think Ethan and Tom will turn on him. I think they kind of understood why Lex felt he had to vote Frank rather then Brandon. His only problem will be if he is up against Tom and Ethan who I think now will vote him off because of this one time defection. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 05:17 am   I see their alliance as still being tight. Lex voting for Brandon did not betray them in anyway. I assume their agreement is not to vote for each other. No matter how you cut it a SAM went and that is all they care about. |
Resortgirl | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 05:21 am   Well, they will have to vote eventually if they're the only 3 left, right? That's where I see them voting Lex rather then each other. |
Micknrc | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 05:36 am   The deal Tom and Lex made was to NOT VOTE EACH OTHER OUT...they both swore on their sons' names. This doesn't mean that you *necessarily* have to agree on who to vote against (although as an alliance it usually helps). I actually find Lex's determination not to vote against Brandon very indicative of lex sticking to his word. He's the one who brought Brandon over last week and the assumption is that he made a similar promise to Brandon--never to vote aginst him till it becomes numerically necessary. Tom and Ethan understand that lex gave his word to Brandon--but it's not a deal they made, so they are not bound to follow suit. But it still shows that lex (whatever else you might think of him) is not a guy to go back on his word. It's only Boran's dumb luck that the level of antagonism between Frank and Brandon was so deep (Car--remember I was extremely worried about that! lol) that Samburu couldn't see the strategy for the trees. They have the momentary satisfaction of voting Brandon off, but at the cost of coasting into the final four... now they have to eat what they bought...a good solid pagonging.... The only exception to this might be Frank--remember how Brandon said last week that he was defecting to make it into the final four? At the time I thought it was the (what would have been) brilliant strategy of realigning with Samburu...now I wonder if Lex had been giving away that 4th spot (Mamakim's) . Will Tom and Frank's blossoming love affair give Frank the 4th spot now? The Straight white male final four. I must agree with Fruitbat (on another thread) that last night's results have more to do with Frank and Tom's raging homophobia than anything else...and I'm liking lex more for standing up for Brandon who, it turns out, WAS going to stay Boran...his gut was right... Also, what Lex was trying to tell Tom about was only the smart strategy the way Lex saw it (and a lot of us as well..lol) That is, For Samburu to target Tom once Lex had won IC. I'm sorry, I know he rubs many of you the wrong way, but for me... LEX STILL ROX! (and he makes the show fun to watch...) |
Micknrc | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 05:38 am   oops, we were typing at the same time Fruit, as usual I'm a bit more longwinded though...lmao |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 06:11 am   I spoke of *Franks* blind, ignorant hate of homosexuals. Not Tom. We have seen Tom have some issues with it but I do not sense hate. In fact I he was very sweet with Brandon. I agree with the rest of your post Mick. Lex kept his word and that was good. His team knows that too. |
Willi | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 06:13 am   Their alliance certainly could still be tight. I think it will have a lot to do with how Ethan & Tom "feel in their gut" about Lex being willing to vote his own way already. Differences of opinion are normal & their alliance may very well survive this. Then again... |
Llkoolaid | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 06:29 am   If anyone taped last nights show could someone check and see what Tom said about Lex sticking with them on the vote. I think I remember him making some sort of comment that they would see how things stood with Lex depending on him backing them up on getting rid of Brandon. If this is true I do see a possibility of Frank replacing Lex. |
Micknrc | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 06:30 am   I'm sorry Ms. Fruit--of course it was me who was adding Tom to that assessment....(I know how you feel about him.) The reason I sense that from Tom is that although his goofing around with Brandon(sugarbuns) seemed all cute and whatnot, I remember his speech about telling his son if he wanted to wear a bracelet he better get ready to be "treated" like a girl. Tom's all funny, warm and fuzzy, makes for good tv--but good ole boys like tom don't change their biases overnight (if ever) and I was mainly thinking that it's completely understandable that he would take a "real american" like Frank over Brandon anyday. I don't think he "hates" Brandon either...in fact I'm almost proud of tom for being able to make as much of a connection as he did with the kid--it probably wasn't easy for him. It's just that in the end Tom was going with his "gut'instinct--ha ha |
Kep421 | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 06:48 am   I don't think Brandon would have been able to make it if he realigned with the Samburus. He adamantly stated that there was no way he was going to the final four with Frank. That would put him in conflict with Teresa and since she is quick to distrust, she would never vote for Brandon over Frank. As far as bigots go, I've had to deal with 'em most of my married life and I would much rather deal with the honest ones, like Frank. At least you know where you stand with them and you can both avoid each other and respect the boundaries. Bigots like Tom (and don't get me wrong, I like Tom) are the ones who can do you the most harm. Its just easier to stab someone in the back when you are standing there with your arm around them.... |
Car54 | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:25 am   I see your point Kep, but remember- this is two sided. See what Brandon had to say about Frank in the Insider this week. May have been provoked, but pretty strong stuff. Personally I think Tom might be positioning himself to go to F2 with Frank. He knows he can trust Frank if they shake, and no one would vote Frank over Tom. I saw some wheels turning in Tom's head last night. |
Weinermr | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:26 am   On the walk back to camp after the Reward Challenge, the conversation was as derisive of Frank as it was of Brandon, maybe even more so. I think Tom handled Frank's overtures as diplomatically as he could without actually shaking hands and aligning with him. Tom is right to speculate as to Lex's loyalties, but I think Lex had sufficient explanation to Tom and Ethan about why he would not vote Brandon out to satisfy them that he was not betraying their trust. Tom and Ethan will not replace Lex with Frank in their alliance because Frank is too tightly aligned with Teresa, and that would bring about all kinds of complications for them. I think they will realize that they are safer to vote Frank out and not Lex, and they'll have plenty of support for their decision. |
Babyruth | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 08:12 am   Kep, I agree with your viewpoint on bigots. I'm sure when casting chose Frank, they had him in mind as the "Rudy"- the ex-military, honor-bound, crusty homophobe. But I think Rudy had a great sense of humor and was willing to connect and respect despite differences. Frank (at least as the editing has shown us so far) has not shown us those two admirable qualities. He moved down a few pegs on my fave list this week after I learned more about him. |
Yuhuru | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 08:33 am   I'm I the only one who thinks that Frank's dislike of Brandon has nothing to do with sexuality? Could it be that Brandon was very much apart of the lazy sambrats: always sleeping, never got water, etc. Unlike Kim, he doesn't seemed to have changed at all. Also Brandon doesn't like Frank and hasn't kept it a secret. No way could Frank align himself with Brandon after Brandon betrayed Kim. For Frank and T that's a big red flag. They had no choice. As far as Lex and his word, it means nothing. There will come a time when he'll have to lie to stay in the game, and he'll do it. You guys heard that whole thing about winning seems to take over your mind, etc. |
Fruitbat | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 09:07 am   Brandon said, on the Early Show, that he was prepared to go to the end with Frank. Maybe time has changed his story. |
Britchick | Friday, December 14, 2001 - 09:47 am   Lex and his word - I think Ethan hit the nail on the head last night when he asked Lex if his word with Brandon was the same as his word with E/T/KJ and at what point he would choose between them. Because Lex's "ethical" standpoint last night (though it didn't prevent him voting off Kelly who he was in an alliance with) could have cost one of his original alliance members their life if Brandon had been the double agent he originally *claimed* to be when he made his vote. The fact that it all turned out okay doesn't make it a good tactical move in my book. Plus, Lex may have Brandon's vote now in the jury but he needed that to balance out Kelly's! |
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