Finale- Episode 13 "No Regrets" SPOILER
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Hippyt | Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 10:01 pm   I agree totally Jbean,she made an ass of herself. She is obivously so bitter,and to blame it on everyone but herself,was just ugly . I flinched listening to her,she was ugly to both Kim And Ethan,and they really had nothing to do with her exit,other than following Lex. She never impressed me though,she was always whining and bitching about everyone else. |
Discoinferno | Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 10:19 pm   Kelly Goldsmith, I knew Sue Hawk, and frankly, you're no Sue Hawk! |
Discoinferno | Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 10:19 pm   blank! (sorry!) |
Mssilhouette | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 12:20 am   Heck I thought kelly was Lindsay the way she was acting...sheesh. Talk about bitter. And brandon was....well brandon. It appears that what we saw during the game was pretty much how they are really. |
C1mag | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 01:34 am   I'm ok with the winner but as they were all sitting up there on stage I realized this group was BORING!! Winning moment was Ethan telling Brandon he was the least deserving for the win! I said give that man the money he told the truth to her face Pathetic moment: Kelly and letting her bitterness get to her all the way to the little ditty from the Graduate. Someone drank way too much of the water!! Over all this cast was the most boring group of lab rats MB has sent us thus far. Looking forward to the next one. There is something about a tropical location that has more of a fire to it. See ya in a couple of months!!! |
Gail | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 04:40 am   I agree about Kelly - prior to last night's episode, I had felt she had played a great game and I had really liked her. In a way, because of Lex's mistake in thinking she was the one who voted her out, she was in a position to shine and show she could come out on top. My opinion of her now is no matter what shows she gets to appear on, it will not be worth one minute of my time to watch her. She came off looking like an idiot. That petty attacking people at the end is crap. It would not have mattered who was in the final 2 - she would have spouted venom at them. On the respect scale - she rates a big fat zero! |
Rogue | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 04:51 am   First off, I'm glad Ethan won (makes me wish I had had more time to play in the pool, sigh). Secondly, I knew the location had changed when they came back from the commercial and Kim had makeup on (at least it appeared that way to me). My wife thought I was nuts (course I already proved I'm insane, LOL). Gail, complete agreement on Kelly, I figured she'd shine for what happened, but now I don't have much of a positive opinion on her (maybe a .0000001 but that's it). I'll definitely plan more effectively for the next pool. |
Awareinva | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 06:38 am   It was perfectly clear from Kelly's first post boot interview that she was going to give a "Sue Hawk" performance at the final TC. I think that was her plan and I agree totally with Gail that it wouldn't have mattered which final 2 combination we got- Kelly would have given her little speech. She probably really hoped it was Lex because she could have really gone over the top with him!! I too loved the Ethan answer to Brandon. Stupid as it was, I think it was a really telling moment. I mean Ethan had to know that Brandon wasn't going to take it well that he didn't deserve to sit there in final 2 in Ethan's opinion. BUT Ethan had the integrity not to make up a lie, or hedge with the politial "Everyone here could just have easily been sitting in my place and everyone deserved it, no one least deserved it....blah, blah, blah" Nope, our Ethan just told it like it was in his opinion. Now, KimJ on the other hand......guess there was some animosity with Tom that was much stronger than we saw. That was kind of ugly the way she kept slamming him, but I think it was strategy....the old girl was really thinking and did answer questions better than Ethan. She had to know that there was no way in hell that she was getting Tom's vote, so she put all the negative on Tom- that way she didn't risk ticking off the younger group, the Samburu, etc. She didn't know who had bonded during the jury time and by focusing on Tom she avoided any pitfalls. Of course, Tom could have just pis*ed her off and that was her revenge. Sad this morning that Tom went early, stunned that MamaK could pull it off, and probably won't even bother to check the Deadpool (every freaking vote wrong and definite negative points!!!!). But it was a good game and I am looking forward to S4!!! Last night I would have screamed if MamaK had won, but she did play the game and got to final2 no matter how she did it. But still very very glad Ethan won! BTW- I didn't notice the Kim weight gain, but noticed her hair was cleaner. What gave it away to me was Ethan's beard- it went from scraggly to semi-trimmed. But that was a great ending....way better than how it was done last time! |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:07 am   OK, the beard thing seems like a big deal. There have been Survivor sightings all over the place- and I read an article this a.m. that said the 3 men got a call a month ago telling them to re-grow their beards- how come NONE of the Spoiler sites noticed this? Aware, I think your take on Kim piling any negatives on one player is right on. Clearly there was no real bond with her and Tom- he seems to have felt the same way about her- but strategically it was very smart. (How gullible is Kimp- "I learned the most from YOU, Kim!) Yeah, right! The funny thing about Kelly using the jury to get attention is, she did absolutely NOTHING original-everything she did was copied from earlier shows- The Sue Hawk speech, the Greg "pick a number" vote- not particularly interesting. She is supposed to be so bright- AND she had the longest time on the Jury, couldn't she think up something we hadn't seen before? The Ethan/Brandon Q&A is a perfect example of the issue we have been discussing for the past few weeks- in the game, do you do the most strategic thing, or do you play straight and honest. In this case, the honest answer obviously cost Ethan Brandon's vote, and in the end, he came out ok, but clearly Kimj was being much more careful in her answers. |
Meme9 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:52 am   Agree with the fact that Kelly and Brandon acted like ****** in the final show, I wasn't surprised though. Brandon should learn...you never ask a question if you really don't want to hear the answer!!! Gotta Love Ethan, I loved it that he was honest with Brandon. Sometimes the truth hurt! |
Mindyrama | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 08:09 am   Yes, that was the best answer Ethan could have given! "Well...YOU!" LOL! You just gotta respect the honesty! Clearly Brandon did not. See now, Kim J's make-up had me scratching my head. This was the first American Survivor I had ever seen (the German one did the final vote like S2 I think)and didn't know what to expect at the end. I was so enthralled in what was going on I wasn't paying that much attention to details, but I did notice Kim's make-up and I kept thinking, did they go back to the resort first? Did THEY put make-up on her? Why would they put make-up on her now? Then when it pulled back and I saw the audience, I was really surprised. They had me fooled. I guess I'm a sucker. |
Whoami | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 10:51 am   I think Kelley just liked to perform for the camera. For a lot of her TC votes, she always struck a pose, and then performed her speach about her vote. Franks hair was slighlty "fluffy" at the last TC, then was neatly cropped into a "buzz" after the commercial! For the most part though, it looks like they tried to copy the Africa setting. I didn't really notice all the changes until I watched it again. When Ethan won, and there was the sound of audience cheer, and they pulled back to show the audience, I thought "aha!" I wasn't really too surprised, but I wasn't expecting it. I did think, "that was MB's "twist for the finale?" Not very earth shattering. |
Quietstorm4 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 11:43 am   I think people are being a bit too hard on Kelly and Brandon. You may not like what Kelly said and how she said it, but she was dead on. I saw no integrity coming from KimJ the entire game. Her theme song for the last two immunity challenges should be "Luck Be A Lady Tonight". That's all it was. I am sooo glad she didn't win the game. I didn't see anything wrong with Brandon's question, nor his reaction to Ethan's answer. What if that one vote had cost him the game? Sometimes you have to think before you speak, and that was one of those times. Luckily his 'honest' answer didn't cost him anything. |
Guinevere | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 11:53 am   I'm going to disagree with the majority here: I liked Kelly last night, thought she was funny. The pick a number thing was a bit annoying, being reminiscent of that toad Greg (ick, I couldn't stand that pretentious poser), but at least she had a reason behind the number she chose. I thought she played her part quite well. Of course, I pretty much liked her throughout the show. Brandon is sort of like Tom (and how often do you see that sentence!) for me in that I find him funny but basically don't like him. He is very entertaining and you can count on him for some drama. But ultimately he is just too bitchy for my taste. I would have liked him better if he had respected Ethan's honesty and not held it against him (though I guess I understand...). I'm pretty happy with the outcome, all in all. I mean, I found Ethan boring as hell most of the time, but he does seem like a decent guy. I would have been happy with Ethan or Tom (despite my ambivalence towards Tom, I would have been okay with him winning). I am a happy, happy camper that Lex finished out of the money - if Kim had picked Lex, and those two would have been in the final two, I would have had to commit hari-kiri and would have missed the last two hours. I suppose I should give Kim credit for FINALLY winning some challenges when it counted, but I won't. I can't stand that santimonious, useless woman, and it still pisses me that she got $100,000 for attaching herself like a barnacle to the guys. She is proof that luck is a HUGE part of it - she should have been gone a long, long time ago. Much as I disdain Lex and his wild-eyed paranoia, I would have picked him over Kim in a heartbeat if those two had been in the final two. |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 12:42 pm   Interesting- this morning on the Early Show, the final 4 ALL (including Ethan) had been in the F2 with Lex, they all would have voted for him. He definitely had their respect. |
Gina8642 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:05 pm   Guinevere - I agree with you. I liked Kelly's speech - I explained why in an earlier post. I am very suprised so many here are upset about it. Kelly made it very clear in her post-boot interviews that the person she felt most betrayed by was KimJ, not Lex. It is only because of the editing that we did not see KimJ involvement in getting Kelly booted. Reminds me a bit of survivor2. Many claimed most of Tina's most devious actions were left on the editing room floor, leaving a much more likable character for TV viewers to see. I think Kelly's comment about gender roles in the media was interesting. The editors choose to protray the 56 year old grandma who many of the cast didn't like that much in a fairly nice light. However, they took Lex, who most of the cast did like, and showed him off as "evil". I guess all I am saying is we should try not to fall for the manipulations of the editors quite so easily. I guess part of the reason I watch is to try to figure out the puzzle of what really happened out there, because the show's editing only tells a tiny selected portion. |
Grooch | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:12 pm   I liked Kelly. I thought she was spunky and she was smart and was always trying to find a way to make it to the finals. I liked Theresa for the same reasons. They were constantly playing the game, instead of being dragged along. I was sorry to see both of them getting voted off. That was why Brandon voted her off. He thought she was the biggest threat to him. He should have waited one more week. Plus Lex didn't seem upset that he was wrong about Kelly, because he said she was always working it too. He was afraid of her. But what I did find stupid was picking a winner based on a number. That is a waste. But I know she did it for airtime and I believe she was planning on voting for Ethan the whole time. I am sure she had a second speech memorized if he had picked the wrong number. jmo. |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:29 pm   I wasn't upset by Kelly- she didn't do anything wrong or bad- she just looked stupid on national TV. So did Tom. Everbody has the right to do that. By the comments of the men last night, I don't think Kim was nearly as involved as we all speculated. I think she simply followed them to the end- and they let her. She was not perceived as an active part of the alliance, but they sort of let her stay in exchange for her vote. And while she stayed she kept quiet and listened- which served her very well in the end. I think her failure to join Teresa and Kelly in a more active plot came from her fear of leaving the safe role she had. Something obviously happened to her that last few days- I think her comment to Kimp was very revealing- that she learned from Kimp because Kim walked away from her engagement and changed her life- that she would never have done that. She took control of her fate that last couple of days and became something more than a passive player- winning Fallen Comrades did something for her, and the pole challenge completed the experience. I don't think that was fake- I think she really grew from what happened. In some way, I think it is neat that it happened for her- it would have been sad if she had coasted all the way to the end and never felt like she deserved to be there. |
Moondance | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:36 pm   I agree Car 100% I actually loved the final show... because I liked everyone and they reminded me why I did ...Never really had issues with any of them! |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:40 pm   Yeah but Moon, you are a REALLY nice person. I wanted to boot a couple of them again for old time's sake. I had a really good time watching too! I am not unhappy with Ethan winning- (I wasn't a Lex head, but personally I think Lex did play a better game, but hey....that's how it came out!) |
Moondance | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:44 pm   >Yeah but Moon, you are a REALLY nice person< hahahahahahaha... j/k thank you but.... I have a feeling I would be different under the 'survivor enviorment'... I may have to get that Jeri hat out for S5 |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:49 pm   Moon, I would expect you to pioneer a new Survivor character- saintly, but hot! We have had sweet and innocent, hot and sexy, kindly and motherly. I think you should just win by vamping all the guys! Make them just GIVE you the million! |
Moondance | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:56 pm   LOL Car now if I could just get a date... hey I am looking for a new PR/Manager |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:22 pm   Maybe if Survivor doesn't work out we can try for "A Dating Story". |
Discoinferno | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 04:25 pm   Moon, I'll be the Mitchell to your Jerri! |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 04:55 pm   Oh no.......not Mitchell. Please not Mitchell. |
Yuhuru | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:41 pm   I've said it before and I'll say it again. these folks (ethan and mamakim) made it to the finals because they were in an unwavering 4 person alliance. This whole ingrety crap is just that. It was Ethan's idea to throw a competition to oust Silas. Let's face it scheming is part of the game. They all participated in it. This whole "we're the nice ones that's why we won" is starting to bug me. Now in defense of Kelly...She seemed bitter, but not nearly as bad as that awful Susan. Kelly reemed mamakim for not believing in her and Ethan for not getting to know her. Sue told that poor girl that if she lay dying she walk over her...Now that's extreme. I have to say I kinda enjoyed Kelly. Everything else was kinda ho hum. |
Jewels | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 08:00 pm   While Kelly was being a drama queen, all I could think of is that she wanted to be the Susan Hawk of S3, I felt she was doing it more for the attention than anything else. It just seems like her personality. I mean, she put on her application that one of her hobbies is to manipulate men? It has needy written all over it. |
Jbean | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 09:02 am   I wasn't upset by Kelly's behavior, either. I was just surprised. Like Car said she just looked stupid. From the episodes that she was in I wouuld have never got the impression that she was such a sore loser. She stuck with her alliance until she found out that the ringleader (Lex) had chosen her to go next and she did what she could to try to save herself by going to the other side. I guess I just expected more from her. I expected that kind of behavior from Brandon, but Kelly surprised me. I thought she had more class than that. I agree with everyone who thinks that it wouldn't have mattered who would have been up there, she would have spouted the venom out, regardless. JMO |
Misslibra | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 09:29 am   I think Kelly looked even more ridiculous when Ethan question her intelligence after her question and statements. Ethan was hot and Kelly wanted him to pay her some attention and he didn't. That is what I'm thinking. So she was just a little piss off about it. And I agree Kelly was not as bad as Sue at the end. And Brandon... he is a trip. He ask a question and then when Ethan tells him the truth he can't handle it. Yes Ethan did his scheming during the game just like everyone else. But as the saying goes it's not what you do but how you do it. I'm glad he won instead of Lex. But I have to give Lex credit he was a damn good player. But I didn't want to see him win because of his attitude in some cases. I know that MB's editing probably had a lot to do with it, but he still didn't put some of the things Lex said in his mouth they came out of Lex's mouth, and his cocky arrogant attitude, I know this game is mine attitude bothered me. Just like it did when Richard acted the same way. And Kim J played a very good game at the end. She stunned everybody coming out of no where to win the last challenges. She is a strong woman to have beat Lex and Ethan. Good job Kim! If she had of picked Lex instead of Ethan to stay at the end I think she would of won, and that would have been find with me also. |
C1mag | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 09:47 am   Kelly didn't upset me in any way. She irritated the hell out of me with the sybil like quote from the graduate at the end. I had no doubt she was going to make them squirm, but for this viewer it backfired. She just looked pathetic. As for Brandy and her question about who was the least deserving.... Well, if your part of the group then expect for the possablility of being chosen. The reason I consider Ethans answer to be the winning moment is because before Ethan could even get an answer out of his mouth I was yelling, "You were the least deserving for victory you twit" and sure enough Ethan said it and for me that sealed the deal for the money. I still consider them all to be boring as hell!! I'm getting sick of hearing that MB played megga editor with the cast and we were left wondering what really went on. I guess he wanted us to really dislike Lex. |
Car54 | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 10:06 am   Kelly did a radio interview the day after the finale and she talks about how she planned the speech during her time on the jury, but then when she gave it, she got much more emotional than she planned. Some other interesting stuff too. She is very young, not too in touch with how she comes across. Kelly Radio Interview She has some interesting insights on how she thinks the votes could have happened. Not sure she is the best source on how people felt. Some interesting gossip at the end about a possible Survivor hook-up! |
Car54 | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 10:17 am   BB2's Will Kirby did a commentary on Survivor for Eonline- (wonder if he ever watched the show?) He did pick Ethan (on the basis that guys with funky hair do well on reality TV) Will's article Given Will's recent interest in his fans, I thought his comments about Brandon's mistakes pretty funny. |
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