Archive through December 11, 2001
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Archive through December 11, 2001
Discoinferno | Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:24 pm   You are not the only one Fruitbat.... this is driving me crazy!!!!!! Kelly says Lex gets his from the jury. Well, this is could be a Mark Burnett plant. I can't imagine them letting her get away with saying something like that.. unless she meant the other jurors gave Lex crap once he got to Loserland. |
Llkoolaid | Monday, December 10, 2001 - 07:28 pm   I voted for Tom to go this week because I think Brandon is a very smart little puppy and is going to keep Lex around for a little while because he will be easy to get rid of anytime, no one likes him except for his Boron and when they figure that he screwed up with Kelly and lost their control they are not going to be too happy with him. This week the votes have to be Brandon, Young Kim, Theresa and Frank against Tom,Lex,Ethan, and MamaKim. Samburu has got to vote for either Tom or Lex because of previous votes. I think Lex with six votes will try very hard at getting immunity and if he doesn't win it on his own, if given a chance Ethan might let him win it. The only chance Boran has of not getting picked off is protecting their people with votes and keeping Brandon on their side. Brandon is going back to Samburu if he really did leave, I have a feeling that the whole "surprise I voted Kelly out" is just a scam and that Theresa and maybe even Frank knew what he was up to all along. Wouldn't it be a hoot if Theresa and Brandon were an aliance all along and pretended not to get along. Anyway Boran must be morons for believing that Brandon was quite happy to join them just to come in fifth. This guy is the smartest player there. He manipulated things to get two Borans voted against and then he chose to get rid of the one that was the biggest threat to him. I hate to say this but I think he is another Will. He is brilliant. Samburu has to welcome him back or they may as well pack it in. Last weeks episode was the best one yet. I know a lot of people don't like this years survivor but I like it a lot more than last years. |
Urgrace | Monday, December 10, 2001 - 08:53 pm   Llkool, you said Samburu has got to vote for either Tom or Lex because of previous votes, but wouldn't it be just as wise to leave them with their votes and vote for Kim J instead. That way all of the remaining Borans would have votes and be less likely to win against others with no votes against them, and maybe Kim J would be gone, leaving the Borans... well, history. |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 03:40 am   Guys, LL is right on here...If we are right and Brandon returns to Samburu, the teams are 4-4 they CANT get rid of Ethan or Kimj. Unless they want to risk a tie-breaker quiz or challenge (Carl didn't do so well there). This week totally depends on IC and Brandon- he is the pivotal player this week. LL, I saw a couple of glances between T and B myself that made me wonder. I am not sure if he is the smartest- but he is definitely a new kind of player- he chose to take his one big shot- not wait to get picked off one by one. The thing that I thought was so bright about the whole thing was- he got the teams to 4-4, got his payback on Kelly, got rid of a Boran, and the Samburus incurred NO votes last week. And JeffP says prior votes are a big issue! |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 03:55 am   Kool, that is the logic I have had up until my spell last night. I have recovered and I'm back on board with this plan. I agree, this is the best Survivor yet. The only thing we know for sure is that the editing is not showing us enough to anticipate the outcome. Tom is a good choice. I do not ascribe to Brandon being brilliant. Time will tell on that one. |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 04:17 am   Ok here is what I am worried about. On the Insider there is a big section about how MUCH Brandon hates Frank. Any chance that Brandon stays with Boran 1 more vote to get them to take out Frank? Long term, doesn't make sense unless B has a plan for pulling over Kimj, but he really hates the guy. The other thing that is suspicious to me is: there is a scene with all the players sitting around, but Tom, Ethan, and Frank are not seen- where are they? Are they a hidden team? Frank would never go back on a handshake, but I am betting he never shook hands with B & Kp- just Teresa- If Tom and Ethan decide that Lex has to go, do Frank, Tom, Ethan, Kimj and Teresa get together and boot him? |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 05:22 am   Good points. The question is just how much shifting are they willing to do at this point? I suspect that Tom, Ethan and Lex made a serious commitment very early on and vowed, no matter what happened they would take each other to the end. They have all seen previous Survivors and know this seems to be the crucial formula. I don't think they will break that unless one gets booted. It is to their advantage to get to the end with Lex. You want to take someone that will not be favored by the jury and he is their boy. They are also safe with Lex, personally. We have our favorites and have an overview based on that. Living day to day I think Lex gets along well enough with Tom and Ethan. Toms comment about Lex getting 'shakey on them' could be the result of an off camera prompt. A producer could have asked what he thought about Lex. That is very different than offering it. The clips we see of them taking privately to the camera are selected for their ability to confuse and create drama. As for the insider clip, could be their turn to get wood. (I have noticed that they are being given water, probably due to several of them getting sick) |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 05:29 am   Brandon and KimJ could be the secret alliance. KimJ has to do something more to earn her reputation. I have my eye on KimJ. She could defect this week leaving Brandon with Boran. Either way, I think Tom is out. Reading between the lines I think Kelly spent some time with him in loser land. She likes him a lot. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 05:37 am   On Survivor 2 the board was alive with intricate plans for new alliances based on who we wanted to see win and how that could happen. It never did. Although this season is giving us much more drama and plotting, pagonging is in it's future at some point. Has to be. We will see a 3/4 split after this episode. Another point. Who we hate or like has nothing to do with how they are experiencing each other. The producers are hiding somethings as well. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 05:38 am   I think Theresa will get votes this week from Boran. IC and jury favorite threat. |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 07:07 am   Here's a thought, and feel free to tear it apart, it's probably stupid. Could Brandon have an alliance with Theresa and Lex and could he possibly bounce back and forth between teams picking of the threats to him personally. I think he can go pretty far with this plan. He is going to be thought of as the big betrayer and will be kept because of his poor chances with the jury. I smell a Will here. Remember Richard, Tina, and Will were all thought of as sneaky but when it came down to their peers voting in all the other games they voted for who they thought played the best game, not for who they liked best. I can't wait for Thursday. |
Urgrace | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 09:26 am   Tom, not Lex, likes Brandon. |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 09:51 am   Urgrace, actually we saw Tom and Brandon bond over at Samburu, you are right, but Kelly told us in one of her interviews that Lex and Brandon really had an instant bond. Lex is kind of flaky right now, so not sure he can see this. And he did all that swearing on people's children... I guess I have been wondering if Tom and Ethan (and Kimj) would decide he needs to go, do some kind of temporary bond with T&F and boot him. Tom says something in the preview about "Lex getting shaky on us". With regard to Brandon, I could see Brandon figuring out a plan to accomplish this, but not Lex. I think if Lex doesn't win immunity and goes this week, the whole thing is totally up for grabs and there will be another TWIST- the older players will gang up and boot Brandon and Kimp, then probably Kimj, then T, .....final 3 Frank, Tom, Ethan. Oh I think with TAR finale and Survivor on the same night, I am going to need to take Friday off from work! |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 12:12 pm   Kool, I would not doubt much this season. I don't think T would trust Lex and she is big on trust I think. That is the only hole I see. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 01:07 pm   I think KimP makes it to the final three at least. I am basing this on Carl saying he wished he had gotton to know her better. There had to be a compelling reason and her making if far would be the only thing I can see. I know that interviews can be loaded with misinformation but this sounded sincere. I need something to steer my voting logic and I tend to think SAM votes Boran off and we will see them as the final 4. I am going with Tom out on Thursday and Lex IC or Lex out. I have not decided. Kelly called Lex only because he had just viewed her bad mouthing him. She apologized. They stayed in loser land and this was the first he was to see how much she disliked him during the game. All the talk about him not apologizing makes no sense. He saw who voted him out 2 weeks ago. But Kelly said they knew about T's vote before they left Africa anyway. Water way way over the dam. The interviewers pushed that one and she gave the answer they wanted to hear. She could not let on they had been together for a long time in loser land. |
Moondance | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 01:18 pm   >>I think KimP makes it to the final three at least. I am basing this on Carl saying he wished he had gotton to know her better. There had to be a compelling reason and her making if far would be the only thing I can see<< Not true Bat... the jury is kept seperate from the previous ousted survivors so Carl doesn't get to hang with any of the ousted from here on out...so she could go anytime and still won't see Carl |
Moondance | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 01:19 pm   Kelly said she was at the lodge (loserland) alon for 3 days before the others started to show up (the newly booted) |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 01:46 pm   But Carl also said he slept with Teresa and if the Jury is separated, T is clearly going to either be in the final group or on the jury- how could that happen. I am thinking Carl is helping MB out by leaking things to confuse us. He leaked the Teresa thing while helping promote the new Survivor game. I do think Kimp goes far...she is playing really quiet and smart, but I think she can hold her own. |
Moondance | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:00 pm   Carl is helping out MB plus a little male braggin going on... he could have shared a bed during then game! |
Moondance | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:01 pm   The jury has always been seperated according to the stuff I have read |
Grooch | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:19 pm   Can someone confirm or deny or say where it was posted that a few people (I think 3) had to leave camp and go to the hospital because of stomach problems or parasites. I remember it because people were saying it wasn't fair because they left the game and were allowed to come back. I think Lex was one of them. Imagine how much the game could have changed if they were gone for the day. We need to remember that in our plotting and planning. |
Car54 | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:23 pm   Grooch, the Star tabloid said Lex, Lindsay and Clarence were all treated for Amoebic Dysentary. Lindsay admitted that during a challenge, she got dehydrated- they took her out and put her on an IV for 3 hrs and took her back. I think she also was hospitalized after her boot as well. I am not sure if Lex and Clarence were during the game or after their boots. I read that Lex's wife was shocked at how he looked when he got home. CBS said the story had "inaccuracies". |
Karuuna | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 02:51 pm   Diane was also treated on site for dehydration, but she refused to get on the helicopter to go to the hospital. She was voted out later that same day. |
Fruitbat | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 03:25 pm   Moon...yes they are seperated. Kelly said she was the first there to greet the rest of the jury. My logic is that there must be a reason that Carl wished he had gotton to know her. I am guessing the reason is that she went far. His experience of her was brief and if I recall he did not think much of her. His interest peaked when he found out how well she must have played. |
Moondance | Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 03:28 pm   But we don't see the behind the scene interaction.. they could have bonded a bit... theywere in the same tribe... just a thought |
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