Camp fire recreation for live show - big give away for final 3?

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Kitt

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:10 pm Click here to edit this post
Was anyone else annoyed/confused by the final part of the second hour, where they pretended they were still in Africa to reveal the winner?

Why didn't they say they weren't in Africa anymore? One look at the contestants told us they weren't but on the other hand they were dressed as if they were still there. I can't work out whether they thought we'd notice or not!

But my main point was about Lex and Ethan's beards. Since both were clean shaven before the show I presume they shaved when they got home... so I guess CBS (or whoever) told them to grow a beard over the last month so they looked as they did at the end of their Survivor period. Soooo... didn't their friends and families wonder why the sudden beard growth? Wouldn't it have been a big give away that they went to the final three??

Maybe they were told to not shave all this time (seems like a bit of a cruel and unusual punishment to me!). Does anyone know?

Moondance

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:22 pm Click here to edit this post
Growing the beards in the last month won't mean they were in the final 3... all had them when they merged and the jury started... also the show airing a month ago would have had them merged so it wouldn't be a give away to their frends family... they would have known how they made it as far as the merge... it was just special effects, MB wanted it to look like they were still in TC until they announced the winner... I know some people didn't notice some did right away... the sound quality was different and MK looked so healthy... Ethans hair was shorter and cleaner... Kelly's hair was blown out a little different... so many little clues... MB did it just for effect:)

Car54

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:25 pm Click here to edit this post
It was better than the helicopter last year.

They said Lex shaved immediately after the show, before the party!

I'll admit it, they totally fooled me! They said the men got a call a month ago telling them to grow back their beards. That would have been a major spoiler if we had figured that one out!

Moondance

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:31 pm Click here to edit this post
>That would have been a major spoiler if we had figured that one out!<

But not really... we knew who was in the final 9 by a month ago ;).. the entire jury was reguired to look as they did.

I thought it was better than last time too Car!

Car54

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Maybe I'm dense, but if Lex, Tom and Ethan came home, cleaned up, shaved, then in December, re-grew their facial hair, wouldn't it have made you notice something? The rest of the jury had time to clean up at the camp, but those three went straight through. Am I missing something?

The other thing I thought was odd was I read where Frank came home with a full beard- on the jury he had shaved. When did he grow it to come home with?

Gina8642

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:49 pm Click here to edit this post
I wasn't fooled a bit. I instantly noticed that Kim J's face looked bloated. (And I don't mean she looked bad, she just lost all her sun wrinkles. Her hair was shorter too. Ethan's biceps looked twice the size they had before the commercial) Then I realized what was going on. Probably took me 10-15 seconds. I guess I just figured they'd do it the same as last time more or less, so I wasn't really suprised. Pretty much a repeat of what they did in S2.

Personally I didn't like it. I would have just have let them dress how they wanted to, and show up for the final vote tally. I think it is fun seeing how different (or not different) the cast looks when they are all cleaned up. I couldn't even recognize Lindsey - she looks much more tiny now then she did in Africa, her face was unrecognizable, until she started talking for a bit. If I was on the cast I would hate to fit back into those clothes after regaining all the weight I lost. I also hope they let them wash the clothes a few times before have to wear them again. lol

However, I've seen alot of positive responses to it on various threads, so clearly some people think it is very cool. So maybe MarkB will keep it.

I do think recreating the set is cool, brings them all back to that point where it was actually happening. Also, if they (the producers/editors)were more honest about the timeline, Jeff could ask even more questions before the vote was revealed. And, maybe question more people then just the final two.

BTW, I really did not like Ethan's hair once they were in the studio. I thought it was absolutly adorable out in Africa!!!!!! Last night he looked like someone took a weed wacker to his hair and then used several different sized curling irons on it. I hope it was just some mistaken stylist trying to make him be "africa like". Please Ethan, don't let anyone do that to your hair again.

Moondance

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 03:57 pm Click here to edit this post
>Maybe I'm dense, but if Lex, Tom and Ethan came home, cleaned up, shaved, then in December, re-grew their facial hair, wouldn't it have made you notice something? The rest of the jury had time to clean up at the camp, but those three went straight through. Am I missing something?<

You are not densed Car!!!!... but their friends and family are watching the show along with all of us right?... well a month ago the show was far along... up to the merge... everyone knew they were at least on the jury right? Well all they had to say was MB wanted them to look as they did in Africa... they already knew what they looked looked in Africa because the show is airing... I hope I am making sense:)

Lilliegirl

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:23 pm Click here to edit this post
Well I must be stupid or because I was partying and had to much to drink but as I was watching the show I noticed Kim was not thin and her wrinkles were gone and Ethans hair looked like hell and Tom had put back on the weight, oh well Im glad I taped it since I was in a drunken state, and when I seen all those people I thought where did they come from, that is what drinking will do for you but I loved the show anyway.

Sallycat

Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:49 pm Click here to edit this post
They did the vote this way last time, but I had forgotten. I think they held the final vote secret under control this way, but it lost the flow of the experience. They had had too long to think about what they were going to say, and they seemed to have lost their sense of humor.
It got even stiffer at the reunion part.
I like'em hot and sweaty...not all fluffed and dried. The same hair stylist had gotten at Silas' hair too.
Anyway...as I say "Sometimes I'm sorry that I ever met those people!"
However, come Feb 28th, I'll be ready to meet the next bunch of wahoos.

Kitt

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 01:55 pm Click here to edit this post
39 days before the show (approximately when they were presumably asked to grow the beards) was the beginning of December and I think the Brandon eviction was yet to happen -- there were still several men left. I guess the producers had to hope the men wouldn't meet in real-life so their families wouldn't notice that Frank, Tom and Brandon weren't growing a beard while their Lex or Ethan was. I just think it's quite a large "security" hole considering all the gag orders and so on they put on the cast.

Car54

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 02:07 pm Click here to edit this post
I honestly think they decided how to do the vote well into the broadcast- MB was very evasive on how it would be done.

I bet the idea came after the show started. Tom kept his beard, so that is one issue solved. But he and Ethan were photographed together on a public appearance in November. Ethan made such a
deal out of shaving immediately, I think it is odd no one in his family or friends noticed he was growing it back. Lex hated his beard so much he shaved right after the reunion show- before the party. His local paper had a weekly Lex-watch article all thru the show- the lady actually went to his house in December. Can't believe we all missed this!!!! Argh!

Moondance

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 02:31 pm Click here to edit this post
See I still do not see this being a spoiler even if we did catch it... Brandon's eviction didn't happen yet?...doesn't matter because those are the shows with the jury anyway... am I wording this or explaining this worng?... The shows were caught up to the point that anything after was the jury so MB would have asked anyone on the jury to have the same facial hair as they did in the jury so NO spoiler here... the only spoiler would be Frank that I can see from this.

Car54

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 02:49 pm Click here to edit this post
Sorry to be dense moon- but the jury did not have facial hair. Brandon and Frank were clean shaven during the last couple of tribal councils. They did not re-grow any facial hair.

I guess from my perspective if I was Lex's pal in California, know he doesn't want a beard normally, he comes home in September and shaves immediately, then in December, he starts re-growing a beard.... I would ask about it. Same with Ethan. It isn't about the jury, it is about them not wanting beards after the show wrapped, shaving, and then growing the beard back for the finale. If I knew these 2 guys, and I saw them in December with a partial beard, I would be suspicious, knowing they are going to LA soon for the big finale.

Obviously this is hind-sight, and maybe the people closest to them knew something was up to some degree, when they stopped shaving. Who knows. People were stalking Lex- going to his house to see if he had any new stuff .....maybe he is funky enough that everyone just thought he wanted a beard. Who knows?

It really doesn't matter- they won't do the finale this way again- they know we would be looking at the Survivors at home now. They will have to think of a new way to do the finale now.

Moondance

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 02:53 pm Click here to edit this post
No I understand what you are saying :) but how is this a spoiler other than Frank really when the shows were caught up to Brandon... so the only spoiler would be Frank I guess... we are both right :)

You know on my app (I am filling out right now... I said I can't stop until I win or I am right) I will concede though now:)

Moondance

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 03:00 pm Click here to edit this post
Hey Car... found another S4 contestant... check over in the S4 thread

Car54

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 04:19 pm Click here to edit this post
car wonders if Moon is secretly wagging her finger:)

Moondance

Monday, January 14, 2002 - 04:47 pm Click here to edit this post
:)