Archive through December 16, 2001

The ClubHouse: Archives: TVCH Alliance #2 Plotting & Planning Thread: Archive through December 16, 2001

Grooch

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 02:03 pm Click here to edit this post
But didn't the insider clip show him talking about what he did and that he hopes his tribe takes him back? That makes it sound like they did not know.

Weinermr

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 02:10 pm Click here to edit this post
I've convinced myself that "The Betrayal" is Kim P voting against Brandon, and that Brandon will be out this week. How can he recover from his own betrayal last week in his vote for Kelly? Teresa won't trust him - Kim J won't trust him - and I don't think anyone else will trust any cooked-up alliance, so my thoughts are that Brandon is out this week.

Britchick

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 02:15 pm Click here to edit this post
Hm, I was beginning to think that the "betrayal" is not a new betrayal at all but just the repercussions of Brandon's betrayal last week, as they affect the game this week. Do you see what I mean? It would fit in with the hype CBS has been trying to generate with season and that's betrayal enough. However, I'll be a very happy person if Brandon is gone as it prolongs the potential life the people I like best...

Moondance

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 02:25 pm Click here to edit this post
I was thinking on the same line Weinermr...

Car54

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 02:27 pm Click here to edit this post
Weinermr, I see your thinking, but outside of the trust issue, and we can see that Brandon and Teresa at least are strategists- how can the Samburus make that decision and not end their team?
I think this week is about some players figuring that out- the game may not allow them to maintain their original loyalties and commitments and survive- Tom sees cracks in Lex, Kimp is disappointed in Brandon, but it is about immunity and votes...don't know if everyone in the game is thinking about it that way.

Tksoard

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 02:30 pm Click here to edit this post
Yes Car, and everyone on TV see cracks in Tom!!!

Car54

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 03:32 pm Click here to edit this post
Here is a summary of some of the other survivor boards boot pick for this week
Finished Biz Tom 45%
Survivor Blows Lex 51.9%
Survivor Fans Lex 60%
Survivor Fever Lex 51.1%
Zap2It Lex 45%
surviiivor.com TOM
EBT Kim P.
EZ Board Up in the air
MESS Hall Tom
Survivor Addicts Tom/Frank/Lex
SurvivorBlows Tom
Survivor-Central Tom
Survivor News Not yet updated
Survivor University Tom
Voted Off * Tom
Acme: Brandon

Micknrc

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 03:48 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Car, Most of these weren't up when I left work this afternoon!

Tksoard

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 03:49 pm Click here to edit this post
GO ACME!!!

Babyruth

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 08:09 pm Click here to edit this post
Weinermr, you were right!!!

Wink

Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 08:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Weinermr your words up above would have been a perfect voice-over for this week's episode. Good call.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:00 am Click here to edit this post
Looks like we have a pagonging situation now.
Without the tension between Brandon and Frank we would have not had the drama we saw. So switching members of the team did not really accomplish what MB had hoped.

Looks like the final 3 are Lex, Tom and Ethan. Anyone see it any other way?

No one likes Frank. He is gone next week unless he wins IC and that is doubtful.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:09 am Click here to edit this post
The only upset that could happen is for KimJ to defect to SAM creating a 4 three split.

The only way I can see her doing this if she realizes she is out next after SAM. And she would have to be secure that Frank would go before her on SAM. She is in 4th place either way without that.

I do not see this happening. T shook with Frank and I think she will stick with that anyway.

Car54

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:36 am Click here to edit this post
Actually, I was too tired last night to ask this-

Does anyone think Tom is lining himself up to go to final 2 with Frank? We heard them talk, but we did NOT see them shake did we?
I think Lex is no longer part of the team- and they may well boot him.--Kimj doesn't like him,
Tom and Ethan feel insecure with him- he defied them and voted for Frank-

Actually Fruitbat, I think several things could happen- frankly I think the women are next unless they get it together. A kim next.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:51 am Click here to edit this post
I think Frank is next. They don't like his sour disposition, they can live with the women happily.

No I don't think Frank and Tom have a deal. It was MB's lame attempt to let us think more drama is in store.

Car, what else are you thinking could happen?

Resortgirl

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 04:58 am Click here to edit this post
I agree Fruitbat, I think Frank will be next too.
I have to say I was suprised at his performance in the RC with Brandon.(I thought Frank would be more of a threat in challenges) He fell down at the beginning and it seemed Brandon was doing better. I was really shocked when they won because Brandon has NOT seemed to be a threat physically. It would have been more fun to watch Tom and Kim watching the movie and pigging out!

Weinermr

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 06:54 am Click here to edit this post
I also think Frank is next on the hit list. I think Lex is skating on thin ice right now, but that clip of Frank's lecture and off camera voices telling him "enough, enough" will be the whole story. He has rubbed people the wrong way, and those that don't fit in are the ones who are out next. Tom and Ethan may be close to giving up on Lex, but not close enough to get rid of him before Frank.

The danger in next week's voting is that Teresa has to be real careful who she votes for if she doesn't also vote for Frank. Teresa's choice next week could mean the difference between sticking around longer or becoming the new target.

Weinermr

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:02 am Click here to edit this post
Would someone help me out please? I know what the tribe Pagong was, but I'm not clear on what the term "Pagonging" has come to mean. Thanks.

Fruitbat

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:03 am Click here to edit this post
Theresa, KimP and Frank cannot survive. T is next after Frank uless there is an unbelievable upset. I don't think so. Pagonging it will be. <sigh>

On the E! preshow former survivors always stress that the player that is the most unpleasant to live with goes. You can't ignore the day in day out living circumstances. It can even cloud good judgement at times.

Micknrc

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:16 am Click here to edit this post
I pagong, You pagong, He/she/it pagongs...

We have been pagonged...

There is a pagonging in Samburu's future...

To pagong (v. trans.)
When one tribe has a numerical majority over the other tribe and systematically eliminates them one after the other until all that is left is their own tribe...

Weinermr

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 07:41 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks Mick!

Tntitanfan

Friday, December 14, 2001 - 02:09 pm Click here to edit this post
When you all see my score this week in the deadpool you will be sure that I am a plant from some other team! I got Kimp staying right! I know that'll be good for loads of points!! I felt bad that Frank bumped the string with a branch while working on his fire - he's sort of a Hard Luck Harry! If he doesn't get IC next week, I think he'll be gone! And Samburu will be on the way down the tubes -

Gina8642

Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 03:28 pm Click here to edit this post
I just realized. LEX HAS TO STAY. Everyone dislikes him, but he is part of a tight allience. That allience will want to keep him around. If they can get him into the final two, then he loses and they (remaining Boran) wins.

Maybe Lex and Ethan. But really any of those three. It just depends on how immunity plays out. Also, someone may clash that we haven't seen yet. Mark B probably will keep personality clashes between these guys off the air until it moves the plot forward.

Notice we never saw Kelly and Kim J clash at the water cooler - even thogh this meant alot to Kelly. Because Mark B. was more interested in playing up the "Evil Lex" theme for that episode.

Gina8642

Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 03:34 pm Click here to edit this post
This means Frank is gone this next episode.

He will only stay if he wins immunity.

Mark B. will probably play it as Lex v. Frank.

But the vote will be at least all of Boran against Frank. (4-3 the best outcome for Frank possible)

They will play up the possible Frank-Tom allience until the end, attempting to bring some tension to the plot. Trying to make us the audience think Frank has a chance. He doesn't.

The decision is inevitable.

Car54

Sunday, December 16, 2001 - 04:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Gina, I have been thinking the same way, but if you check out the Insider, we see more of Kimp than we ever have...face time is not always a healthy thing on Survivor.
This just seems too easy to me. I think Lex has to stay 1 more week, but Frank has been set up as a long-term player... just don't know about this one.