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Car54

Friday, January 04, 2002 - 05:25 pm Click here to edit this post
No date on TAR or the Mole yet. Survivor starts again end of Feb or first of March.

Maybe Rudy's show will be good. Looks scary from the Previews.

Maybe we can have an Olympics thread to keep us going in February.

Britchick

Friday, January 04, 2002 - 05:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Wow, I didn't realise Survivor 4 was starting so soon. I'll actually still be in the US to see the start of it (but only the first month). Then I'll have to coming to the boards to get updates on what's happening when I'm back in the UK!

Yuhuru

Friday, January 04, 2002 - 05:55 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't like Lex and never have, but he's no idiot. We should change the name of this thread to "everybody else is an idiot." There is not much that they can do about Lex now. He not only is better nourished. He's got the momentum. He's unbeatable. They were all so worried about Clarence being a threat, but I can say that I haven't seen one chalenge that he could have run away with. They had to get rid of Clarence because he wasn't aligned with them and a threat to align with someone else. Lex understood that ( I know this because I just know things :))This just made room for Lex to dominate. And dominate he is. He's an actual player and I believe that he could possibly beat out any of the rest in the finals. This "idiot" could actually when this thing!!! ARGGHHHH!

Muse

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 12:19 am Click here to edit this post
I have to disagree with you, Yuhuru. Lex certainly isn't unbeatable, IMHO. I'm assuming that one of the last two immunity challenges (probably the last one?) is the "fallen comrades" challenge. Since Lex was out of camp more than anyone else, I don't see him winning it. Seems like it'd go to Ethan or Kim J.

I think the resentment towards Lex is building. Now that the alliance is over, I wouldn't be surprised if he's voted off at their first opportunity to do so. It all depends on the suballiances and whether they keep them, of course, and I think that Kim J. is in danger since she's a bit of an outsider *and* a manipulator (evident in her attempts to get both Lex and Tom off), but Lex definitely isn't safe.

I also think it'd be difficult for Lex to get the four votes required to win even if he does make the final two. Tom, Ethan, and Kim J. are all fairly well liked by the jury. There's some exceptions (Brandon would probably vote for Lex over Tom, for example), but I really think he'd be at least one vote short, if not more than that. People on the fence between the final two might vote for the other person over Lex because Lex has gotten so much already (the Avalanche, trips, etc), too.

Anyway, although I've really disliked Lex at certain points throughout this game, I have to say I'm back to liking him these days. :) I think the editing has been pretty harsh on him, and I get the feeling that he's a pretty nice guy in real life (and most of the time in Africa, too - most of the players *do* seem to like him, but resent his position of power). Yes, he's overreacted at times, but it just seems like he gets his feelings hurt easily because of all the stress. And yes, he's made some mistakes, but so have most of the players...Teresa could still be there if she hadn't, for example. Lex is still there, so he really can't be all that stupid. At the very least, he'll place forth and go home with wonderful memories, a good chunk of change, and a new car. Not bad. :)

Jbean

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 09:11 am Click here to edit this post
I personally don't like Lex either. I wonder if he hadn't won immunity if they would have actually voted him off? Then again, that's what I thought would happen last week when Kim J. acted like she would be voting for him. I will be dissappointed if he wins, but I guess he is no worse than Richard Hatch. I am rooting for Ethan to win it and Tom for 2nd. Maybe he won't win immunity and the other 3 will vote him off (wishful thinking).

Car54

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 09:27 am Click here to edit this post
I really think Kimj is being edited to make it appear that she is in agreement- but both Kimp
and Teresa said they clearly knew she was not voting with them. MB seems to show the scenes out of sequence to make it appear that she is going to cooperate so it is more suspenseful.

Not to say she isn't planning something, but just not with a non-Boran member.

Twiggyish

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 09:43 am Click here to edit this post
All good points Muse. I think Lex is history if he doesn't win IC.

Car, Oh I agree with the editing by MB. He is good at deception..LOL

Car54

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 01:30 pm Click here to edit this post
Ethan needs to kill that chicken and eat it fast to get some pep for the last 2 challenges.

Squaredsc

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 01:43 pm Click here to edit this post
i'll cosign that car, i hope he does win the next challenge cause he may get voted off next if lex wins ic. on another note, i liked richard better than lex cause at least richard wasn't talking about cutting peoples heads off and making them swear on their brothers' lives. also when he found out that it wasn't kelly that voted for him did he admit he and his gut were wrong??

also did anyone notice that on one scene after the visit to the hospital lex was shown without his beard but when he got back to camp he still had is beard?????

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 01:50 pm Click here to edit this post
Sorry I took so long getting to responding--I didn't wait till RG was gone--I just didn't remember to do it.

<That has always been an aspect of the game... getting rid of strong physical competition. My feeling is that although Clarence was stronger physically he didn't hold a candle to Lex intellectually. And Lex didn't single handedly get rid of him, he had alot of help.>

I completely agree that it wasn't all Lex's doing, and also agree that it's a way to approach the game. Get rid of the ones that are your strongest competition. My point had to do with saying there is a difference between being the best and winning. In other sports you aren't considered the best unless you win against the strongest of competitors. Here in Survivor, you can win without really facing the best by simply getting rid of them and not competing. Not good or bad--just a difference.

<Please remind me of an instance that he expected something to be handed to him?>

For me, I am reminded of this every time he threatens to cut someone's head off for going against what he wants--no one to vote for him. To me, that is wanting everyone to hand it to you--give it to you without a fight.

<I agree that the way he handled a vote against him was hypocritical but I don't believe he lied to Clarence when he said it wasn't personal when he voted for Clarence. I think he respected Clarence and liked him as a person, and knew he was a threat. If they just played the game of Survivor with all 16 people for the entire time then it would be a TRUE test of Survival of the fittest, but the producers chose to include as part of the game the voting off process. And it has always been an strategy to vote off a phsically stronger person. And Yes Lex took the vote personal, and I think it probably surprised him HOW personal it felt to get a vote.>

and

<I think he doesn't like NOT to be liked. He overreacted to votes against him definitely, but I think it's because he is used to being well-liked in his real life and hasn't had to deal with that feeling very often.>

These are exactly why I say Lex is not respecting the competition, and isn't looking at it as not personal for the other people. If you can give a vote, and truly feel it isn't personal, it seems you can also take one as non-personal. The fact that the issue of him not used to being not liked comes into play at all is proof he takes any vote personal. If that is the only way he can see things, then it's the only way he can see it. The window (giving and receiving) works both ways.

I'm not aware of too many football players for instance, who tackle someone, say "hey, it's part of the game", but every time they get tackled say "hey, I'm going to cut your head off--how dare you tackle me."

Llkoolaid

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 04:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Exactly Lance, well put.

Car54

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 05:56 pm Click here to edit this post
But Survivor is a game- not a sport. And the game is about psychology, and relationships as well as strength and endurance. If it was a game of physical prowess, it would be Eco-Challenge or the Olympics. Survivor is a game of wit and endurance.

As for your your football analogy, no the player who got tackled just gets up and tackles back.

So far, everyone in the game still has their heads.

Clarence didn't leave because of Lex. Clarence left because he didn't bond with his team and made a dumb mistake the first week. He then continued to base his value to them on pure strength, which everybody knows, once you merge is not necessarily something to be emphasized.

Lex (and all but one of the other players left from BOTH tribes) voted off the person they found most threatening, and that they didn't want in the game any more. That's what the game is.

Lex is clearly an emotional guy, who let off steam to the camera, and did some dumb stuff too.
Just as Clarence was kind of embarrassed by the bean incident, I am betting Lex is kind of embarrassed now about taking things so emotionally. I imagine he never wants to hear anything about his "gut" again!

The other thing is, Lex is pretty out front-he says what he is thinking- and others on his team have really benefitted from this. Most times something unpleasant had to be done, Lex has been the one to take the lead publicly. We know that Tom, Ethan and Kim have been with him on many of those decisions, but they haven't taken any heat for them.

Remember what Lindsay said after she left- she was shown as pretty high strung and emotional on the show, but the times when she was having fun behaving other ways were not shown on the program.

I have not been a particular Lex fan, ( as of today, my favorite this season has been Brandon, for the sheer entertainment he brought to the show.)

At this point tho, he is one of two players who came in with some concept of what the game was about, and he has survived some real challenges. I can't say he doesn't deserve his spot.

Moondance

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 06:22 pm Click here to edit this post
I completely agree Car ... get out of my head! :)

Jbean

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 06:42 pm Click here to edit this post
Square, I agree about liking Richard better than Lex. For me, my dislike for Lex began when he managed to convince them to vote off Kelly, because of his "gut" feeling. No, he didn't say anything about his "gut" when he found out Kelly wasn't the one who voted for him that night, and he sure didn't mention it to Tom or Ethan either.
Also, I went back and looked at my tape from the hospital scene, and Lex did have his beard both before and after the visit.

Hey, maybe if they actually vote him off next time, he can wear the kilt to the final tribal council. It would look great with all of his tattoos! :)

Knightpatti

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 06:44 pm Click here to edit this post
JBEAN LOL LEX IN A KILT!

Jbean

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 06:50 pm Click here to edit this post
Knightpatti, of course you know I'm talking about the kilt that Brandon and Frank have both worn to tribal council. That is just too funny! He might look nice in Kelly's shameless shirt, too. LOL

Car54

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 07:15 pm Click here to edit this post
Squaredsc, Teresa was asked about how Lex handled finding out Kelly didn't vote for him, and she said he still felt that she was leaning toward the Samburus, and would defect.

P.S. I guess when we see him in a skirt it would mean "sarong Lex" huh?

Kiersten_Love

Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 07:43 pm Click here to edit this post
Maybe Rudy's show will be good. Looks scary from the Previews

Car54, what show are you talking about and when is it? Kiersten

Yuhuru

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 01:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Oh Muse,
I hope you're right. I don't want Lex to win, but I've been posting that I think he will and That I don't care to prepare myself for when/if he does.

Car54

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 01:40 pm Click here to edit this post
combat missions jan16

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 02:58 pm Click here to edit this post
Car54, you have a good point that Survivor is a game and not a sport. You are also correct that football players don't tackle, then get up and tackle someone else. (except for the case of turnovers)

I didn't communicate very well about the core concept that I was trying to convey. If a person is going to play a game or a sport, or just life itself, they better be willing to take what they dish out.

Lindsey went a bit ballistic when she had votes. Most everyone thought she was out of line for that (including me). If you go into a game telling others it's only a game, yet when something happens to you and you go nuts about it, plan on getting some critisism for it. Lex doesn't have any excuses any more than the others for the mistakes they have made--and to add to that Lex has done it for a number of times.

People will look at different issues with different importance. For me, I look at thit one as being pretty important. As both the chances you have (most get voted out for those types of actions), and as a factor in who I root for. I was just expressing that opinion as to why I don't root for Lex (although I've also said some postiive things about the rest of his game)

I think it matters that people also watch for different reasons. As you and others have pointed out, there is a big entertainment factor included. I'm just looking for a good game.

I agree with you completely that he came in with a level of focus on what he wanted to do. I also feel that with the exception of his rants about getting votes (this may be one area of the game he didn't check out before starting--that he should expect to get some along the way), he has played an excellent game.

He may be thinking he goofed in some of the things he said, now thath he's watching...or he may still feel the same way. In any case, Lex has a great chance of winning, and has done some good and foolish things...as has the rest of them. It should be a good finish this Thursday.

Wink

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 04:04 pm Click here to edit this post
I think if Lex makes it to final two, in the eyes of the jury he will deserve the win no matter who he's up against. He won the challenges when he had to, he apparently did other's dirty work for them, and he kept his eyes on the prize. He's not my choice from a personal standpoint but I only get to see the "edited" players and I don't get to vote.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 04:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Wink, you have great points. It would be interesting to see a Lex/Ethan showdown. As far as what we see through editing, they are probably the furthest from each other, yet both have strong points in their favor for being good game players.

Wink

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 04:18 pm Click here to edit this post
I hope that is exactly the final two Lance. The way Ethan has been edited has shown him to be basically kind to everyone except for his initial problems with Clarence and he doesn't seem to have played in an underhanded way. A jury vote for a Lex win over Ethan would probably clear up how they each really played the game and prove to us once again that "it's all in the editing". On the other hand an Ethan win would perhaps show us that you cannot hide your true colours and that Lex was indeed, at least in some aspects of his personality, as distasteful as he was portrayed. Or they could just all be dopey and let Kim go to the end and take it all.

Car54

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 04:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Lance,
I wonder if you have ever had something happen to you that you didn't realize would hurt- UNTIL it happened. I know I have. I have gone into a painful experience thinking I was prepared, and only then realize there was really no way to prepare for the hurt.

I have also had painful experiences happen where I didn't think things would bother me at all- and then it happens and it just flat out p*sses me off!

In the case of Lindsay and Lex, I think they may have THOUGHT they were prepared for the hard mind games, but not really. Again, we have not heard Lex speak about any of this. Lindsay said she realized she was over-reacting and apologized to her tribe- but we never saw it. We don't know what may or may not have happened with Lex yet.

Most of the players say they were not prepared for some part of the game- for Diane and Jessie, it was the physical hardships, for Clarence it was the psycological part of the game. And then there is a player like Silas who sort of over-prepared for both- he was so over-confident he just alienated everyone almost immediately.

So far in Survivor never once has the most honorable, fittest, fairest, most likeable player won. That says a lot about what the game is. I respect your right to root for whoever you like best.

It would be nice if there was a game where the overall "best" (define best as honorable, fit, fair, most likeable)could and did win.

That was what I liked so much about The Amazing Race. I could simply root for someone to do their best and go really fast, and they would win. Pretty simple and satisfying.

If we were playing that game, I think Ethan would win this year. His "try not to be annoying" would qualify as a legitimate strategy. He has also played very hard. I suspect there is a lot more to his game than we have seen- he is clearly edited to be a hero, and has in many ways played the part of the narrator from the very beginning.

You are right, Lex shows a lack of preparation for handling criticism. Wonder how he handles it in real life? Emotions are pretty high in the game, and people are messing with your head 24-7 as well. Combine that with lack of sleep, total isolation, deprivation, and you get somebody on the edge. Lex is definitely that.

Of the four players, I personally would rather see Ethan or Tom win this year just because they played a good, all-around game. Of the two, I like Tom because he has been very entertaining and he would be fun to see in the post-game appearances, etc. From a human standpoint, I didn't like his attitudes toward people different from him-Clarence and Brandon- but I think he grew a lot from knowing them.

Ethan has played a very safe game, and I have no quarrels with him, he is just a little boring, tho.

Mark Burnett has said this year we will have a "satisfying" winner.

Any of the three guys can win with no complaints from me.

If Kim- who got here by sitting there being quiet wins, I will never watch this damn game again.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 04:52 pm Click here to edit this post
Car--your last comment was great! I think it speaks volumes of what we (those watching) look for in a game such as this. Flying low under the radar has seemed to be what Kim has survived on, however I wonder if she was Samburu at the beginning if she would have been gone long ago?? Some hate the idea of someone winning by just hanging back, and others have no problem with it. Tina was a good example of someone hanging back (at least compared to others) and doing well. Of cuorse, just like always, we never see everything)

No question I think the issue of the experience being more than they bargained for has affected many (if not all). Yes, I've had that happen in life too. And in a couple cases, had a price to pay for it.

As far as Survivor goes, for me that is one of the things that amazes me about it. There were 2 before this one, yet people are still amazed and can't prepare enough for what they get into. I find that a powerful draw.

I also enjoy the heck out of discussing all of these facets of the game with everyone. It is a game to itself sometimes--just like is was discussing BB!:)

Car54

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 05:00 pm Click here to edit this post
I am still hoping to find out that Kimj was the evil mastermind of the entire game- this week there is still supposed to be a secret revealed, I am hoping the 3 guys were just her stooges and she had a master plan and was pulling the strings all along.

I love all the speculation too! I never read any of the boards until this past summer during BB2, and BB1 and Survivor were my guilty little pleasures up til then- I never knew there were all these other folks just as obsessed as I am!

Willi

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 05:03 pm Click here to edit this post
You're in good company.
:)

Squaredsc

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 05:44 pm Click here to edit this post
wonder how lex would have done on big brother 2, especially having to deal with nicole and will.

Car54

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 05:54 pm Click here to edit this post
Wow, if Lex was on BB2, he and Nicole probably would have gotten married.

Wink

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 05:57 pm Click here to edit this post
Or fought over the knives.

Llkoolaid

Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 07:54 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok, my 2 cents worth. I don't dislike Lex, except for his tatoos, I hate tatoos. He has played a good game as far as winning challenges. I don't think he has a snowballs chance in he## of winning over the jury. He did too much of the dirty work, like telling people that they were going. Ever heard of shooting the messenger. What frustrates me about Lex other than the fact that he can't take what he dishes out, is not him so much but the other idiots for not getting rid of him when they could. If he does win they deserve it. I don't care which one of the 4 of them win, I don't understand why people don't want Kim to win. If she outwits the men, good for her, she doesn't have to physical strength so she has to use what she can. I think she is playing both Ethan and Lex, figuring them the best chance at the challenges and hoping they will take her along.