Are Cherries & Beans Worth A Million Bucks?

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Dewolfe22

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 10:27 am Click here to edit this post
I thought Thursday nights show was pretty good. I thought most of the contestants were pretty good with the excepton of Frank & Clarence. It is a good thing they are on opposite teams.

I don't like Frank because he seems like a know-it-all that wants to be in charge and have everything his way.

I don't like Clarence becuase he is very self-centered and doesn't care about anyone but himself. Taking two cherries & then opening and eating part of a can of beans while the rest of the team is away just shows that he is not a team player by any means.

The only reason they kept him was because he is athletic and they need him for the physical challenges. As soon as they merge the tribes, I am pretty sure he will be gone. In my opinion, Clarence just screwed himself out of a million bucks!

What do you think?

Gottaluvit

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 10:56 am Click here to edit this post
The two you do not like are my favorites. I think the beans will be long forgotten after a few other things happen. I think it is best that it happened early rather than later. I absolutely hate the loud mouth fat herder old edited.

Frank is definitely my fave.

(007)

Voyeur

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 11:34 am Click here to edit this post
Remember that everybody thought Mike was a edited in the beginning of Survivor II, and now he's a hero. I daresay that if Kucha had had to go to tribal council right after Mike anointed himself tribal leader, he would have gotten axed.

(007)

Weinermr

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Gottaluvit - Tom really got your goat, didn't he? LOL

Grooch

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:28 pm Click here to edit this post
*groan*

:)

Realtvfan

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:33 pm Click here to edit this post
Dewolfe22

For you, the good news about Frank is that in the 3 previous survivors, (2 US, 1 UK) the military type person had always gone out in the first or second Tribal Council for their tribe.

Somehow military people (except for Kel) lose track of the democracy part of tribal council.
Kel saw it coming, he just could not stop it.

Frank walking 20 paces in front of everyone else on the first day definitely dropped Frank from my "fav" list. All I can think of is Frank Burns from the MASH TV series every time Frank is on the screen. Frank acts just like Frank Burns to me.

Agreed, Clarence is making (in my view) huge and almost unforgivable mistakes by taking extra food, not once but TWICE. He was only saved by the others knowing they need his strength in the upcoming challenges. Look for Clarence to pay for his mistakes as soon as Survivor III becomes an individual's contest. If I was in the tribe, I would have been more severe with Clarence than they were.

On the Real Player paid feeds, Clarence did represent himself better than on TV.

Mike was a edited in SII to me. Mike is a hero now because of his actions since SII. Not for anything Mike did while there. While there he was an strong obnoxious force they needed for the physical challenges against Colby.

I like Tom. I've been very pleased with his style.

(007)

Crazydog

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Voyeur - The only reason why Mike is a hero is because he fell into the fire and people felt sorry for him. I disliked him from the very beginning. Even after the accident, I felt sorry for him that he got hurt, but I was not sorry to see him go. My dislike of him was solidified when he made some comment about "oh no. now we got chickens. now they don't need me and my fish. we better eat those chickens as soon as possible." He was always very self-centered and would have gotten the boot.

DeWolfe - I agree about Clarence. Regardless of who lied, I wish someone had said to him, why didn't you give her a few beans, and then save the rest for when everyone's here. His retort that "You guys weren't here!" was so lame since they had gone off to do the dirty work. He tried so magnanimously to make it look like he was sacrificing himself to take care of Diane when in reality he was seeing it was an opportunity to eat as well as skip out on heavy labor. As the strongest guy, he should have shown his value by doing things that require strength. Any of the women could have easily stayed behind to "take care" of Diane. Why they didn't think of this is beyond me.

Battlestarx

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:40 pm Click here to edit this post
I didn't believe Diane when she said she didn't ask for food. She needed to get the focus off her weakness and onto someone else. She couldn't pull the Jerky trick that Jerri did but she could get them to think he opened the food for himself because the others were already worried because of the 2 cherries.

She knew exactly what she was doing and why

Voyeur

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:42 pm Click here to edit this post
realtvfan, rudy and gretchen were the military people on the first survivor, and they certainly weren't booted early. And Kel certainly wasn't a bossy jerk.

I don't see how you can generalize "Somehow military people (except for Kel) lose track of the democracy part of tribal council," based on a 1 out of 4 example.

Trinity

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 12:56 pm Click here to edit this post
Ugh, I can't stand Tom. What does he heard anyway, sheep? Just listening to him made me ill and my mom's from Virginia too; but man if anyone is ripe to join the edited it's that guy. I know that's harsh but Tom just rubbed me the wrong way.

(007)

Johnlvs2run

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 01:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Trinity... yes he sure had a big mouth and I did not care for his attitude.

I'm not sure of their names yet. Is there a link with pictures of them?

My favorite was the quiet lady sitting in the back at the council meeting.

She seems very nice.

Realtvfan

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:18 pm Click here to edit this post
Voyeur,

You are right. I forget about Rudy. Grethen I was not aware of. It was the tall older gentleman in the SI who was bossy in the beginning who got the boot from the losing tribe. I forgot his name. I believe he had a military background as well.

Rudy did only stay as the result of Mark Burnett's interference/conversations with Sean and Dirk which Stacy is suing about. The tribe was ready to boot Rudy out second early on. That was when Mark Burnett spoke up.

SI UK. The entire tribe couldn't boot the two military brats out first fast enough. They were sick of him and her in a half an hour. I watched the UK feeds and saw it. There was one kicked out of both tribes. A man from one and a woman from the second tribe.

Military background.

SI US, tall gentleman and Rudy, and Grethen

Tall gentleman, gone second from tribe. First person sent packing was sick.

Rudy only saved by Mark Burnett.

SII US, Kell

Gone First from his tribe.

SI UK, Two military (I had forgotten one my the earlier post.)

Both gone 1 and 2 from their tribes.

Now that I remember, there have been 6 military with SI US, SII US, SI UK.

4 out of 6 gone within 2 tribal council votes from their tribes. and a fifth only saved by Mark Burnett.

Rudy is an exception as the result of Mark Burnett's "discussion with Sean and Dirk".

Grethen is the longest non-controversial military survivor.

For Frank "Burns" (see previous post) of SIII US, only time will tell.

One of the women on SIII US mentioned on TV last night that Frank was presenting too structured an environment for the others. In the past this has been an SI hint to TC votes later.

I find it fascinating because the structure and physical conditioning of the military personnel can be very helpful in these team environments. Yet they keep getting booted off quickly. That is the fascination for me. It just doesn't seem smart to me by the others voting the military people off early in favor of more "social" people who are obviously weaker.

Mssilhouette

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Real,

Because of the young people who inclination is to buck against authority. If you notice the ones having a real problem with the military types are the younger ones, who want to just sit around and act the game is a camp out.


The military folks need to realize that not everyone has had basic training and that they are dealing with civs. My father was military so i"m a military tranined kid by proxy. LOL

It amazed me that it took them until they were half way to the camp to realize the should have tied a rop to the end of those boards and dragged them instead of wasting energy carrying them.

Why didn't anyone tie down the stuff or tie the two carry boards together and get a four man team to drag all the stuff..then switch off. They had enough people and everyone wouldn't have been so exausted.

Folks don't think as a team...why do the women always try and carry the water when clearly the heavy stuff should have been piled onto the boards and dragged.


We'll see how it goes. Sure was neat that the other team found the telescope...Something hits me a bit fishy about that. Seems like a bit of producer nudging.

One time has fire the other doesn't...makes for more drama.

By the way I didn't catch when the yellow team fell behind near the end of the competition. Seemed as if red team was right behind them.

Realtvfan

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:42 pm Click here to edit this post
Mssil,

I completely agree with everything you are saying. I saw everything you mentioned and more.

The (for me, incredible) lack of preparation for this game can be seen by both the military people and the civilians.

This is SIII. Where have these people been? This is not SI. They are all making so many of the mistakes from SI and SII, it's amazing for me to see it.

My dad is a military man as well.

Voyeur

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 02:43 pm Click here to edit this post
The man from SI that was booted second from Pagong was BB Anderson. If he has a military background, it was never discussed. He is a millionaire real estate developer.

I would say that the types likely to be voted off are the obnoxious bossy types, and that isn't necessarily the military types.

Rudy wasn't really all that bossy, just opinionated, but there was unhappiness with him over the fact that for a Navy SEAL, he didn't know very much about survival tactics (didn't know how to start a fire, for instance). He was therefore of limited use to the tribe.

Muse

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 07:11 pm Click here to edit this post
I usually admire players in reality TV shows who play the game well. I don't think Diane, Clarence, or Frank showed evidence of doing that in the first episode. Frank was obviously disgusted by most of his fellow contestants. I can understand why in some cases (it was silly to prioritize socializing over building the fence, and there was no reason for Lindsey to share the fact that she got her period), but either way - it was just stupid to make it so obvious. He needed to encourage them to work in a low-key way, not by barking orders or separating himself from everyone else. He was more of an outsider than a leader. Big mistake.

Clarence was dumb to eat the extra cherry and the beans, too. Although I think Diane was really trying to get him voted out with that, he shouldn't have fallen for it. There was no reason he couldn't have told her they should wait until the rest got back to discuss maybe opening a can. I think his strength will keep him around for awhile, but like Tom said - he might forgive, but he won't forget.

Diane was the worst of the three by separating herself from the rest from the VERY beginning. Didn't she learn anything from previous Suvivors? And I thought it was silly for her to brag about how much faster she walked than everyone else when some of the others were carrying heavier loads or trying to balance things. It's not good to make yourself seem different when the initial vote is based on brief first impressions, rather than on one's character.

Anyway, that being said - it's early yet, and I might change my opinions. I don't think Clarence is all that bad, actually...just made several foolish mistakes that make me think a little less of him.

Eiddwen

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 08:25 pm Click here to edit this post
I think the cherry thing was a big mistake, I mean what was he thinking. I think the bean situation is a little suspicious, he could have handled it better (maybe save some for the group) but I think Diane had a hand in that. Overall I think Clarence made a good speach at the tribal council, they need him physically and that might buy him enough time to redeem himself. I think Tom came of badly, I found him a little self ritghteous and over time if he jumps on everyones short comings people will get sick of it. I think by next episode we should be able to get a more accurate idea of what Clarence is really like.

Battlestarx

Friday, October 12, 2001 - 11:16 pm Click here to edit this post
oh--I bet Diane sat there and said "Oh, I can't eat anymore, thank you for opening them for me, but go ahead and finish them, I won't tell"

Misslibra

Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 01:27 am Click here to edit this post
Battle, you are probably right If what Clarence said is true about Diane, I just wish he had of use his common sense and waited until the rest of the tribe came back before he open up the beans.

I like Clarence but I think he is a little on the slick side... eating the extra cherry thinking no one would notice. I think he was testing the waters to see how much he could get away with.

It's a little hard for me to cut him any slack, because I know he knows what this game is about, and should know better.

I'm glad though they gave him another chance, especially to show Tom he will not dictate how the tribe votes. But I think if it wasn't for the fact that Diane became ill, and so weak he would of been a goner, and would have no one to blame but himself.

As important as food is to each tribe, these mistakes Clarence have made I'm afraid is going to cost him, and I don't think his tribe will forget. Especially when you have Tom around to remind them, and I'm sure he will remind them every chance he gets.

I can see Clarence and Tom having it out real soon. Clarence took what Tom had to say to him well, but that stuff starts building up after a while into a big old pressure cooker. If Clarence does a Colby and win immunity the way Colby did he might have a chance.

Johnlvs2run

Sunday, October 14, 2001 - 01:33 pm Click here to edit this post
I think good 'ol tom wanted those beans for himself...

Mssilhouette

Monday, October 15, 2001 - 01:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Geez I had enough typos in my last post...wow I hate that..time to turn off the old post without checking feature...Sheesh.

I agree MissLibra, about Tom and Clarence, also Tom's reaction to the beans was way over the time. Me thinks Tom has other "issues" but we'll see. Tom went beyond being pissed to just putting on a really ugly show. Plus what was the deal with Tom mentioning the handshake? I still don't get why that was brought up.