Archive through November 22, 2001

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Car54

Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 03:58 pm Click here to edit this post
The one thing I have that goes against Teresa going this week is that she has had little or no face time. Except for a little commentary, she has had no story at all! Usually someone who lasts this long has had some exposure.

Egbok

Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 03:59 pm Click here to edit this post
Yes, I had forgotten about the chickens. Actually, I was hoping they wouldn't be eating the chickies, but it's understandable when the hunger pangs start to set in. And protein is good for the body!

As for T and her TV time, good point Car!!

Snee

Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 05:01 pm Click here to edit this post
would you rather they eat the eggboks? hehehe!

Sunshinemiss

Sunday, November 18, 2001 - 05:12 pm Click here to edit this post
I will pull a Bunky and say that I will just go with the consensus here. I have been doing TERRIBLE, I am in last place in our alliance so somebody tell me how to vote, I keep changing my mind with each new rumor and it seems to always come back and bite me in the @ss. Sorry alliance, I am trying! I wish they handicapped you like in bowling so my low score would actually help...

I am doing well in the AR poll, maybe I used up all my luck, lol

Fruitbat

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 06:20 am Click here to edit this post
If Samburu loses, Brandon goes, no brainer there.

Boran is complicated.

Have Ethan and KimP bonded with Frank and Theresa and abandoned their old alliance with Lex and Tom? If so Clarence is out. Not likely, they would rile future jury members and I think Ethan is very loyal to Lex. Also it would leave them vulnerable with a 2/2 split should the merger not happen before another vote.

Have Frank and Theresa bonded with Clarence? If so Ethan out. >>><One tribe member, not fully trusted due to an early mistake, makes a critical deal with
another. Will this person stay true to the promise? <<< (very real possiblilty)

Will the original Boran stick together and vote either Frank or Theresa? (real possibility)

<The rumor about Theresa is annoying and I am trying to ignore it.>

It looks likely that it will be Frank or Theresa. Frank is a personal threat for IC after merge but a strong asset now. Theresa is not a weakling by any means not a huge personal threat.

Frank has votes, is not liked by other Samburu so good to keep.

It is looking very likely that Theresa or Ethan may go.

Gail

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:12 am Click here to edit this post
I keep thinking about how Clarence was pushing to kill a chicken and wondering if that will go against him.

Car54

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:17 am Click here to edit this post
oh, Fruitbat, I was afraid to post the Ethan out theory here for fear of upsetting Grooch!
That rumor has been discussed a lot on other sites, and I think it has strong possibilities!

Fruitbat

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:26 am Click here to edit this post
I am not thinking it will Gail. It seems they have a rapport and were able to joke about it. They are all very sane and adult about things.

It is only 3 days between taping but even so, as time moves on it looks like they all get along and though may not totaly trust Clarence, they like him.

Seems Boran is all about strategy. They are smart and no one has proven to be a thorn.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:42 am Click here to edit this post
So I am not off the wall with Ethan out then, Car.

It seems logical. So now the big question is:

Ethan or Theresa or Brandon? and I am not ruling out Frank either.

Car54

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:43 am Click here to edit this post
I thought it was sweet when the Borans agreed to wait then the chickens laid the egg and they set up the joke to see Clarence's reaction, but then they ate the chicken any way. I thought it showed they do work as a group.

Twiggyish

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:45 am Click here to edit this post
Call me a doubting Twiggy, but I think this is too suspicious. There WILL be a merge. It is just an MB trick.

Fruitbat

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 12:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Twiggy you may very well be right, and if that is the case who will win immunity is a shot in the dark.

The alliances will look like this:

1-Brandon, Kim, Clarence, Frank and Theresa

2-Lex, Ethan, Tom, Kim, Kelly

Again a tie.
1 will vote for Tom
2 will vote for Clarence

Clarence with more votes is gone unless he wins immunity.

Tom is out if that is the case.

So this week is difficult because our votes would be very different merge or no merge.

What to do?

I am leaning toward no merge this week. MB is trying to scramble things a bit so this is easy, just one more week. Then the recap show. Then back to business with the merge. Makes sense.

Car54

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 01:15 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok, the voting deadline extension over at the Deadpool has me sooo conflicted.
I have heard a million good ideas today:
1. All the spoilers on the web have Teresa out this week, but she has not been on camera much.
2. The teasers on the CBS site seem to be talking about Clarence aligning with somebody but WHO- is it F/T or K/E? do they let him think they are aligned and pull a Silas on him?
3. Or do F/T align with Clarence and vote Ethan off?

Plus: There are video caps of the tribes-Boran gets tree mail and Clarence says "its big and nasty" what up with that?
And it appears that after Samburu gets their mail, they are DANCING or jumping around...what the heck does that mean?
And do we merge or not merge...
OK my head just exploded, gotta get a broom now!

Llkoolaid

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 04:21 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't have a clue how to vote, the only thing I know for sure is that I am voting Theresa to stay. If Clarence goes with Frank and Theresa it is Ethan gone and If he goes with Ethan and Kim I think it will be Frank gone because he is more of a threat during the merge. It makes voting hard not knowing when the merge is going to be. I think Boran is going to win the immunity challenge anyway so I think I am going to vote
Boran to win
Theresa to stay (do you get more points if the odds are high)
Brandon to go
I wish survivor was on every day so we wouldn't have to wait.

Urgrace

Monday, November 19, 2001 - 07:57 pm Click here to edit this post
Car54... About the clue - Another tribe member more comfortable with the animals...will the people vote against him... - Couldn't this be Tom the goat herder? If I could vote my guess would be Boran-IC, Tom surprisingly leaves, Brandon miraculously stays..

Fruitbat

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 03:51 am Click here to edit this post
I will probably vote Brandon to go because the odds are better. He is out for sure if Samburu loses and a possibility if they merge.

The options with a merge are vast.

Who will be the alliances? Dividing along original team lines is a possibility but Moon pointed out that Frank would never align with the brats and I think she is right. He dislikes them so much he probably cannot bring himself to do that. It would be wise though. He has an aliance of only 2 if we are to believe Boran will stick together.

Kelly could go with Brandon and KimP and get mamaKim and T and Clarence.

They could all vote Brandon and divide later.

Brandon is no threat for IC though.

Do they start picking off the threats first or stay with keeping their numbers strong?

2 likely alliances:

1. Lex, Tom and Ethan

2. Kelly, Mamakim, Theresa and Frank, Clarence

Tom is vulnerable with his votes. Kelly will convey this. Kelly does not like Tom or Lex and does not feel secure with them.

Looking like Tom could be out with this one.

Car54

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 03:59 am Click here to edit this post
Has anyone seen anything about someone being sick? I have read rumors about both Tom and Teresa getting sick.
Fruitbat, over at the CBS site, there is a preview of this week and at the end is Samburu reading tree mail and a pic of Brandon looking kind of strange... and he says "goodbye"- kind of hard to hear on my computer, so not sure what he is talking about!
On the other hand, Jeff P did an interview about a month ago and said at some point Brandon's sexuality would become an issue, and unless it was when Tom made some comments, that really hasnt happened yet.
Oh this is confusing! <guess it is supposed to be>

Fruitbat

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 04:43 am Click here to edit this post
Very confusing and I am loving it. Last year was totally predictable.

I am going to guess that Brandon's sexuality is an issue for Tom and we have already seen that.

I am not sure Tom will last much longer. That attitude will grate on everyone.

Brandon saying goodbye almost guarantees his staying. That would be way too much info for a preview.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 04:54 am Click here to edit this post
I can't get that clip to play for me. I'll try later.

Tntitanfan

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 06:27 am Click here to edit this post
Wow, I am really confused!! I am thinking that the tribes are doing to stay apart a while longer - maybe down to a total of eight? That being so I would be getting rid of the weakest link - Brandon or Mamakim. Food is a critical issue, and most of the challenges are physical!! I (think I) recall that after the merger the challenges are less physical for immunity. Mental challenges are not going to favor Clarence or Tom so I wouldn't bother eliminating them at this point as their muscle power can come in handy!! IMHO!

Car54

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 06:37 am Click here to edit this post
The thing that is bugging me is that most weeks by Tuesday we have some idea about the challenges-some preview pics, or something.

This week we have pictures of the tribes, dressed in warm clothes(which may indicate early am, since it gets hot mid-day), with their Samburu and Boran buffs, walking to the IC (I say that because Clarence is carrying the idol-they won last week and they would have to bring it back with them)

But we have no pics of what either RC or IC are.
I think in past years there was no RC the week of the merge- they spent the show building camp or moving, and getting to know each other.

If they somehow merge at the IC this year or something else happens that is out of the ordinary, the will not show us- the tribes would have new buffs, they would have an immunity necklace instead of the idol. They can't show this- it would ruin the surprise.

This just bugs the heck out of me!

Llkoolaid

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 06:42 pm Click here to edit this post
I am confused again and thinking of changing my vote to Tom off. I can totally see Kelly siding with Kim and Brandon now that Lindsay is gone. What I can't see is her voting Tom off and not Lex. Lex is more of a threat after the merge. Brandon and Kim she doesn't see as a challenge.
I still see Ethan and MamaKim having a strong alliance and doing a Colby/Tina thing.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, November 20, 2001 - 09:19 pm Click here to edit this post
There are too many things going on. It is crazy making.

Merge or no merge?

No merge:
Samburu loses, Brandon off.

Boran, Ethan or Theresa or Frank.

Merge:

Brandon or Tom.

That makes Brandon the better odds.

Car54

Wednesday, November 21, 2001 - 03:40 am Click here to edit this post
A couple more things I found out yesterday:

Next week is definitely the recap show-I saw it in TV guide. Does anyone know the positioning of that show in S1 or S2- was it pre-or post merge?

The clue about a member mistrusted could be Clarence OR Frank- we know Clarence and the bean episode, but also Frank had the episode where he talked about the mallrats too loud (early mistake) and that is what really provoked them to pick off the older Samburus.

I am sort of wondering if Ethan or KimJ would keep Clarence thinking he is in the old Boran alliance a while longer. If they merge, the old Borans are in power 6-4. They don't know what is happening at Samburu, and that Lindsay is gone, so the safest thing would be to keep their numbers up til the merge.

Car54

Thursday, November 22, 2001 - 09:26 am Click here to edit this post
I will post this even tho I know most of us are away today.
There is some new info out on some of the other boards. Evidently on this week's E preview, there is additional video that fleshes out the info we got from the Insider this week.
Tree mail arrives at both camps early in the am- telling the teams the IC wills start in 20 minutes. They get it together and go to the site, and there are pictures of a challenge involving 10 towers with buckets with ropes hanging down.

There is some speculation that the merge happens at this IC, and the challenge is for individual immunity, then the tribes spend the day moving into their new or chosen camp. They go together to TC that night.
Don't know how much of this is true, but thought I would pass this on. Most boards who post a pic are still speculating Teresa or Brandon as the boot this week. Elipsis is picking KimP for individual immunity and Teresa out.