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Resortgirl | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 08:34 am   That is true Realtv...but I thought Bryant was tougher then any of the other interviewers that I saw anyway. |
Sallycat | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 11:19 am   I need to watch the preview again...my first impression...since they were not standing in a group awaiting instructions, that the shocked looks were to make us think an accident had happened (or was that just to make us THINK a shocking event had occured)When Linda voted she said "It's been 12 days....." It feels like a year to me. |
Spunky | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 11:29 am   It will surely give a boost to tv ratings for Survivor, a good move at least for this reason. As for splitting the teams that could make things more confusing for me, I still didn't get the sense of what's going on in each tribe. I'm curious to see their reaction, it sure puts an end to their secret alliances...however, it could take away their determination to work as a team. So far the gap is too wide between the brats and old folks. Boy, if that farmer complained about Clarence, wait till he has Brandon for company... |
Joan | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 11:29 am   What is this about a list from Diane? |
Judy | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 01:46 pm   Joan- I think that is in reference to Diane's interview in which she listed the people she is closest with from Survivor. ~~~~~~ Everyone please go look at the new preview at cbs.com I am trying to figure out the dern twist. I think it is one of three things 1. Split into 3 tribes with 2 Boran & 2 Samburus on each- That def fits all the scenarios of the preview -breaking all alliances/friendships & changing the game forever 2. A 3 member "swap" 3 members from each tribe are switched. That too would fit the preview hype 3. Samburu sleeps through their tree mail and fails to show up at the RC/IC. This is a big "no no"- which would cause them to automatically lose immunity. Could the twist mean that Boran would get to choose which Samburu is booted? Now while this scenario doesn't exactly fit the preview hype- I think it is the most likely because: a. The preview shows Lindsey standing at tree mail saying "Oh My God" - (this is prob when the ESB discover they have missed the RC/IC) b. Lex & Kelly going "woooooo" while looking at tree mail- this is prob after the forfeited RC/IC- and now Boran is notified that they will be kicking off a Samburu c. Clarence sitting on the ground saying "I can't believe this is happening" - this is prob while WAITING for Samburu to show at RC/IC. b. Lindsey sitting on ground saying "We all just panicked"- this is prob in reference to Samburu discovering that they were late for challenge. This is all pure speculation on my part--go watch the new preview and tell me what you think! |
Car54 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 02:14 pm   The preview says that it happens in the first 15 minutes (they gotta grab the Friends people- it's sweeps week) and usually the IC is closer to mid-way through the show. JMHO, but I think it is something that happens immediately after Samburu gets back to camp |
Joan | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 02:44 pm   Judy, yours is a good theory but I don't think one tribe missing a challenge would "change the game forever." Also, there is a very very panicky "What the hell?" from one of the Samburu women at the end and I am not sure they would be that upset over a challenge. Also, how do you know about missing the challenges being an automatic forfeit? I always assumed there would be some kind of indicator or reminder from the crew or something so that no one would miss one. |
Judy | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 03:21 pm   I think there would be a huge penalty for missing a challenge. It has never happened before - but it is one of the big NO NOs along with breaking the law, and messing with the rules of the local environment. Because it is in first 15 minutes I don't think it would be an IC they miss- but an RC- but same penalty could apply. Remember last week- if the elders had of just sat there and not checked mail - they would have missed a challenge. They might allow it to happen this week. I don't think an early merge would break every alliance/friendship-then again neither would Samburu missing a challenge. I just don't think that whatever the 'twist' is that it will live up to the hype. Take the dangerous encounter hype from last week- they spotted a buffalo from 100 yards away and stood still for a few minutes- not exactly deadly lol |
Joan | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 03:39 pm   I just think whatever it is will be a fundamental change to the game, not just a mistake. Jeff and the producer have been hinting at a big change for this season for a while now. In one of his interviews Jeff said they are going to do something different so that people won't think they have the game figured out just by having watched a few seasons. |
Resortgirl | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 04:08 pm   Judy LOL... you are right about the "not exactly deadly" part. I have learned from past experience not to put too much weight into the "hype" It just never pans out. |
Car54 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 04:18 pm   OK breaking news here, I'm waffling again... I was onto the Early Merge theory,but I've been cruisin around, and over at the MESS site, they have a new thread that is something like the trade theory Judy proposes above...but with a "twist". They get tree mail telling them to choose 3 members who will move over to the other tribe. Much panic ensues on how to choose... people are upset, packing happens.... The tradees go to their new tribes and try to fit in, form friendships/new alliances. In doing so, some tradees give away some secrets/history of their original tribes to make themselves more valuable or attractive to the new tribe. The twist is, the trade is temporary-it is for ONE cycle of challenges- one RC/IC. And the tribes do not know IT IS NOT PERMANENT. At the end of the 3 days, after the loser tribe votes and boots, the remaining tradees are sent home. Now the fun begins... someone has lost a member, some people have told secrets, and if someone else didn't tell, what happens when they go home and tell on the squealer? Oh my this could be very entertaining! According to the other site, this was done on Expedition Robinson, the show Survivor was based on, so MB has proof it would work. Now I am really confused- which is the right twist? OK guys...talk amongst yourselves...discuss... any ideas? |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 04:35 pm   Of course I have no idea what will really be done, however this idea is a good one, IMHO. It doesn't break up the teams on a long term basis, although provides for people to try different strategies with their mind set being the changes are for good. It also has the added twist of everyone having to deal with each other about why the trade choices were made. It's one thing to say "I want to trade you because you hold us up in challenges", then have the person be gone for good. It's another thing entirely when that person comes back and they all have to be face to face back on the same team. It will would be very interesting to see how Samburu would handle such a trade. Thinking it was for good, the brats would be faced with handing off the 2 left who do most of the work, or one, if they think it's Frank, and having to break up their little "team". If Silas was looking to take his cronies with him lock stack and barrel, he'd have to leave 1 behind in a 3 person trade. He might go for that idea, knowing they have screwed themselves with Frank and Teresa. I think Silas would want to leave lil Kim behind, taking Lindsey and Brandon. Tom, Clarence and Ethan would chew them up and spit them out though. |
Car54 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 04:42 pm   If this happens, then how juicy it would be would depend on who moves where- Do they pick randomly? If not each team would kick off their weakest people... that might be mean... Do they draw straws? If any Frank or Teresa gets to Boran, the mallrats are dust... after the merge. From the Insider this week, if Clarence and Kelly went to Samburu, they would probably like the brats a lot.... And Lance, you are onto something else big... the work... Samburu has a water crisis that needs to be fixed- and how will that be handled? Oh, I am likin this a lot... |
Joan | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 04:59 pm   Car54, a temporary switch would rock AND with the possibilities you point out, it does sound like it would fit the description on the preview--breaking every alliance and friendship. Could you see Lindsey going to Boran, telling everyone Silas has 3 votes and then having to go back to be with Silas again or something like that? Eeeek! As for who Silas would leave behind, I think he would leave Lindsey because he has commented more than once about her weakness. |
Kep421 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 05:02 pm   I think the speculation theories are probably more entertaining then the actual twist! Keep those wheels a turnin' folks... |
Car54 | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 06:11 pm   The thing that makes me think this is it is that it has been done before. I can't imagine with the stakes they have riding on this show- the ratings, the hype-it is sweeps week, that they would do anything untested. This show has a formula, and to go far from the formula is not what it is about. I am voting in the deadpool unspoiled, so I have to commit Monday... there is no third tribe over there to vote for... and if there was a merge, we only have ONE tribe... Ok now we have to figure out how they might split up, and who will win IC... Joan and Judy, did the Insider give you any hints about challenges this week or is it all about the Twist? |
Joan | Saturday, November 03, 2001 - 07:58 pm   Car54, the Insider clips are always things that happened prior to TC so there is nothing about the twist or challenges. Think of it as deleted scenes for each episode. I posted my synopsis if you want the nitty gritty. |
Awareinva | Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 09:15 am   Some other points: 1) Early merge is a strong possibility here--- NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THE FACT THAT SAMBURU HAS NO WAY TO GET CLEAN WATER! Without some kind of solution here- these people are in serious trouble. Given the fact Boran has 100 gallons of water, if Samburu doesn't get water somehow, they will get weaker and weaker and lose every challenge at the least (get seriously ill at the worst- we know no one dies ) 2) I liked the three tribe idea at first, but if they split next week there are 4 in each tribe. How can four people stay on a two person watch all through the night? Seems dangerous beyond the game to me. No one will be sleeping. Plus how will they divide the food and water by three? When they merge into one- it either goes or gets left. The tribe that earned the reward can make the call to use it up for their group or share it with all. If they do three- who gets the food, who gets the water? Maybe it will be divided equally by three, but that is really unfair to Boran, because water is the most valuable thing they have out there. 3)The switch of some members temporarily is a strong possibility. I read somewhere that this was done on some reality survival type show in another country (sorry can't remember the name). That could let them spill a lot of stuff, start new alliances (especially Frank, Theresa, Kelly, KimJ, and Clarence- who are in the weaker groups). I personally am hoping for this option!! Oh man, I can just see the scramble. And let them stay for three whole days- do a tribal council and then SWITCH BACK! Oh how rich! Heeeheee heeee |
Moondance | Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 09:36 am   I am thinking more toward your #3... sounds GREAT! |
Tntitanfan | Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 07:30 pm   We are hearing such a lot of hype about this - I hope the reality lives up to it!! |
Llkoolaid | Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 08:13 pm   I think it is the switch 3 for a while thing, which will be very interesting. I don't think they will get to choose who goes because they would never agree. The only way I can see them having any say in who leaves is if the six on each team vote for the first one to go and then the remaining five vote for the next one to go and so on until 3 are voted to leave. They will probably have to draw staws or something like that. Silas, Lindsay and Clarence could be in big trouble if this is what happens, depending on who is with them from their original team. Frank and Theresa are not going to keep quiet about the votes against Silas and Lindsay if they get teamed up with one of them, and they are going to team up with the Boran players. Clarence may have a better chance because his team is not split so he will have the loyalty of the Boran players and they probably won't spill the beans about the votes against him. I can't wait for this week to come, I hope this isn't a bunch of hype for nothing. |
Blonde | Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 11:37 pm   List of twist theories circulating around the net with analysis: Twist Page Link |
Mssilhouette | Monday, November 05, 2001 - 12:26 pm   I think considering how spilt Samboohoo is they'll probably go with the Swap method. Which suck for Boran. They'll have to get one of those annyoing mallrats and lose one of the close knit teamates. Also heaven help Boran if they get Salias, or Brandon. Eeek! Somehow I think soccer boy is going to SamBooHoo along with maybe one of the women. In excahnge they'll probably get "My period makes me irritating but I'm really strong..no really" Lindsay or "I'm not a girl I just act like one" Brandi. Poor Boran will have to give up one of their strong players in exhange for one of SamBlahblah's weaklings. If nothing else the game will be more interesting. I do think it's very unfair to make them switch (if that's what they do) just to make the team's balance out. Heck the prodcution staff picked the people for the teams. They should have seen what was going to happen. I say let the game play out as it will until the merge and leave "We're gonna win everything cause we're really a team" Boran alone. |
Madelane | Monday, November 05, 2001 - 01:08 pm   If there's one thing I think we can all be pretty sure about, it's that the producers made the decision about what the twist would be long before they cast the show and began taping. It was probably a reaction to earlier shows. There is no way it could be a reaction to the present situation the tribes are in. I think people are getting confused about what we are seeing in tv time and what really goes on in real time. We may not know what the rules are but you can be sure they don't just change them during the taping because of the way alliances are forming. |
Kate | Monday, November 05, 2001 - 03:51 pm   Here's a thought on how they could deal with the immunity idol if things change to 3 tribes ... Only ONE team gets immunity still, then the other 2 tribes go to the vote together. Imagine the turmoil... you dont know who your old alliance will be voting for. So: do you vote with your new tribe, against your old alliance? Imagine the look on Lindsey's face when Silas votes against her ... knowing in the event of a tie she has 4 votes already! I think the 3/3 trade makes no sense ... each tribe will be exactly 50% boron, 50% sambooboo. So you cant really think of either as still boron/sambooboo. I really think it has to be NEW tribes. I'm hoping for the 3 ... because it could be very entertaining. |
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