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Fruitbat

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 10:30 am Click here to edit this post
Blonde, something is up with Silas. Read the Carl's chat thread if you haven't already. I am interested to see what he means.

Blonde

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 12:22 pm Click here to edit this post
Hi Fruitbat, We have a little Silas discussion going over on that thread. Silas is definitely playing both sides against the middle. I think he influenced the young people to get rid of Carl since he was more likely than Frank to bond with them at some point and threaten his leadership (insider clip on Kim's buff).

Now that the older folks are in the minority they have to either deal with Silas or try to win over some of the young people behind his back. Of course they could all exchange Silas stories in his absence, discover he lied to them all, and form an alliance against him. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Carl also alluded to trouble ahead with the young people and there's a rumor about Lindsey getting hurt. So maybe the older ones will regain control and boot Silas, who is the most obvious threat strategically.

Crazydog

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 01:25 pm Click here to edit this post
Great discussion everyone! Kep, I agree - I look forward to the Amazing Race so much more than Survivor - it's a great show and although it too has flaws has much more excitement.

I'm hoping to get more into Survivor as I get to know the players better and the strategy begins to play more into it. The one thing Survivor has that Amazing Race does not is the whole interpersonal relationships aspect. I've always found it interesting, and hopefully that will surface more. As it is, right now we have Boran, which doesn't seem to have any obvious alliances yet, and Samburu, in which they are painfully apparent. Because of the degree of disrespect and dislike between the two Samburu factions, it also took some of the interest out. I am really hoping Lindsey does not leave the show like Mike did, because then we would be back to the standoff. It will be interesting if there is the three team merge (where did that rumor start - I remember somewhere hearing about blue as a color, but couldn't blue just be the color of the merged tribe) or if it's still one team, to see what happens when a team that doesn't like each other merges with a team that does. If any of the old Samburus are still around, it would certainly make things more interesting.

I also agree with everyone's comments about the food. Part of what made SI and II more interesting was how the tribes coped and how resourceful they were. Getting that pig was a huge advantage, as was Richard's fish catching. Now, they will have to rely on the producers to give them rewards. It takes a little something out of surviving. I had thought that I read somewhere before the show started that Mark Burnett or Jeff was talking about the lack of fishing opportunities, so they would really have to rely on the land. What does that mean? Are they just not finding these edible plants that are either natural, or planted there by the producers?

I agree with everyone about Silas - he is definitely going to be the focal point of interest in Samburu.

Lancecrossfire

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 04:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Kool, for a list based on sarcasm, it sure was accurate--LOL.

Bat, I didn't say if Linda would go far (or at least didn't mean to)--just that while she is there, her approach with the whole spirits thing will allow her to do well, stay focused, and be involved.

Silas worries me a bit. It seems like he's a little too good at lying and playing both sides for this to be his first try at it.

Crazydog, I too hope that Lindsey doesn't leave ala Mike (I hope no one does). Having the game tables shifted so much because of that reason really takes everything out of the hands of the players. We end up with a whole new game without them doing a thing. I enjoy watching the changes of power, momentum, etc take place because of what the players do or don't do.

Boran overcame a dip in the road at the very start--it seems they realized that it was in their best interest to get over it as much as possible for the better of their team.

With Samburu, the dip in the road isn't a one time thing--it's one group of people not doing work, just goofing off and getting by through talking advantage of work being done (how the older one's see the younger ones), and another group of people not thinking of anything but work--not talking time out to make it about the people (how the younger ones see the older ones).

Based on what the older group said, I think they aren't doing much in the heat of the day, as they mention they try to do the work in the cooler parts of the day. Maybe they should get together during an afternoon, all do a little people stuff, and all do some chores--a little give and take. That wouldn't serve Silas, nor would it serve Brandon. I think it would serve Frank, although I'm not sure he would be up for a compromise. Frank just wants work out of everyone, it seems.

Sawheel17

Monday, October 29, 2001 - 08:30 am Click here to edit this post
The only reason I watch Survivor now is because of these boards.To me, it's just boring. They can't go out and fish or look for food. You see them sitting in the dirt or some of them getting water. Sittng around talking, who cares. Give them something to do. The IC was funny, (Boran tribe).Hopefully, it will get better but as for now, I'll be watching Friends and taping Survivor just to keep in touch with the posters on these threads.

Crazydog

Monday, October 29, 2001 - 09:24 am Click here to edit this post
Lance, great characterization on how each Samburu group views the other! I agree with you - the constantly changing alliances and scheming are what makes the show interesting, and as long as we have these two distinct groups with such strong dislike of each other, that aspect of the game is gone. I really hope that on next week's show, they at least try to give some semblance of getting along together. However, with the preview of Linda's mock-prayer, that doesn't look likely. You'd think that for all her "spirits" talk, she would try better to connect everyone and heal as a team.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 10:52 am Click here to edit this post
Sawheel makes a good point. Concerning the food gathering, it provided something for the folks from S1 and S2 something to do with their time, as well as providing a chance to secure a position of value, and get more food. I'd think that keeping busy would help from a mental stand point.

No food gathering would leave larger chunks of time to just sit and stew. Also, food gathering provides for more successes, and a sense of accomplishment.

Tntitanfan

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 01:28 pm Click here to edit this post
Lance - You have expressed something which occurred to me too. I would be jumping at chances to go get water, cook, or do anything besides sit around! "Busy hands are happy hands!" IMHO.

Mssilhouette

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 04:25 pm Click here to edit this post
You know something struck me as odd on the previews of the next show. Why is Boran carrying water jugs when the meet that water buffalo?

Didn't they win a big tank of water last time and they should haven no reason to go to the watering hole. It just hit me as that being highly odd.

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but I know Tom and Clarance were carrying the heavy jugs. They couldn't have run out of water already!

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 04:31 pm Click here to edit this post
They could have if Lex dumped all of the water already!! LOL

<preparing fort before Lex Heads invade>:)

Tntitanfan

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 06:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Maybe that is bathing water - one can only hope!!

Twiggyish

Tuesday, October 30, 2001 - 06:41 pm Click here to edit this post
Perhaps it is water for their building challenge. They wouldn't want to use their drinking water. I know that is a stretch..LOL

Madelane

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 12:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Mssilhouette I actually brought that up last week in another thread and lots of people thought they would be getting bathing water and for washing clothes. I was afraid it was wierd editing but I think the others were right.

Car54

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 04:52 pm Click here to edit this post
Just wondering,,, see a lot of rooting for the men on the show..is any one rooting for any of the women to win? Do any of the women have a chance do you think?

Lancecrossfire

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 05:37 pm Click here to edit this post
Car54, If Clarence goes out, or starts going through their food, you will see me switch to Kim J. on Boran. She had the great idea with the paints, helps out with work, and tries hard all the time.

Tess

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 05:44 pm Click here to edit this post
I know someone who is cheering for Kelly but I won't tell who it is.

No, it isn't me. My heart still belongs to Carl--I'm just cheering for Ethan right now so he doesn't feel too left out.

Blonde

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 05:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Good question about the women, Car. I have been wanting to find one to root for, but can't really find one I feel that strongly about yet. So I'm just sticking with my daughters' favorite, Ethan, for now. He's cute, likable, seems to work hard, and is very competitive in the challenges.

Lilliegirl

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 06:42 pm Click here to edit this post
I like Ethan at this point but of the women I like Kim J. she does not act like a spoiled child like the brats do. I can not believe Lindsey is 29,she acts just like my granddaughter who is 6, maybe this will show her she is not at camp like she thought she was in the begining.

Car54

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 06:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Of the girls, so far I am liking both Kims- Kim J seems very stable and strong, and wasn't it Kim P who figured out how to make fire? And if I am not mistaken, she is the only mall rat who didn't look Jeff P in the eye and lie outright...she has really stayed under the radar so far.

Car54

Wednesday, October 31, 2001 - 07:23 pm Click here to edit this post
Of the girls, so far I am liking both Kims- Kim J seems very stable and strong, and wasn't it Kim P who figured out how to make fire? And if I am not mistaken, she is the only mall rat who didn't look Jeff P in the eye and lie outright...she has really stayed under the radar so far.

Grooch

Thursday, November 01, 2001 - 06:48 am Click here to edit this post
I like Jesse, but she is gone. :(

Crazydog

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 11:08 am Click here to edit this post
Car, unlike on the previous shows, I don't think any of the women stand a snowball's chance in hell. The one I would have picked would have been Jessie, and a bad early stomach did her in. OldKim is too old and weak. Lindsey is too annoying. YoungKim is becoming a brat (see my thread about the two Kims). Who is Teresa? The one with the best chance is Kelly, but I don't see her with enough strength or brains to make it through the individual immunity challenges.

Grooch, I agree, this show would have been a LOT more interesting if Jessie were still around. As a police officer, she would have kicked some serious tail. Plus she's easy on the eyes.

Car54

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 02:38 pm Click here to edit this post
Crazydog, I am afraid you are right...Teresa is trying her best to be Tina, and I think Kelly is totally unknown..(she reminds me of the girl in that movie Election- cheerleader, class president)

Twiggyish

Friday, November 02, 2001 - 02:40 pm Click here to edit this post
I like Teresa's flying under the radar strategy. It has saved her so far.

Blonde

Sunday, November 04, 2001 - 04:31 pm Click here to edit this post
Going into the show I expected Jesse to be a great competitor, but since she was sick we did not see much of her. And what we did see, she was not at her best.

Linda, in her post game interviews seemed to like the young Kim, apart from being part of the Necklace Gang. Maybe she is salvageable if she can get away from those bad influences. The new twist coming up may allow that to happen.