CBS.com chat with Carl

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Joan

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:37 pm Click here to edit this post
I joined a few mins after it had started but here is what I saw. I would love to just post a transcript but you cannot copy/paste from the chat window so you all get my summary instead! hehe

Carl said the cow's blood didn't have much of a taste and he felt honoured to be a part of such an ancient ritual so he didn't mind drinking it.

He joked that he and Frank had planned to knock down the Boran tribe members with the boulder.

He said all they ate was maize (like grits) and once in a while they combined it with some of the canned veggies.

He said Theresa, Frank and Linda will probably be his friends forever because they were so solid out there.

All the young people will get a Christmas card from him. At first he said all but Brandon but he was joking. (Insight into who's really leading the youngsters maybe?)

Hardest competition: rolling the boulder (ep. 3)
Most strenuous: pushing the cart (ep. 1)

He said none of the older people realised that the young ones had eaten so much food until they saw last night's episode on TV. He was "shocked and disappointed." "Now I realise what a mean spirited person Brandon is," Carl said.

Someone asked if he ever felt like making them fetch their own water after they burnt the food. Carl said no because they didn't want the Gen Xers to break the gourds doing it.

He cannot understand why Boran had such a problem with the water. He had cut up a teeshirt of his and Samburu was using it to filter the water before and after boiling so there were no foreign particles in theirs and it was fine. He said it did taste better warm though.

He did not really get to know Jeff Probst. What we saw on TV is pretty much what he saw of him.

He doesn't think things are going to work too well, especially for Silas and that the young people will probably learn in the next few episodes.

He does not plan to move Manhatten NY and have a talk show by taking over Rosie's spot.

The only person who annoyed him was Brandon. Kim had a run in with Frank but he never found her to be too bad.

Someone asked why chores were not given out so that everyone was pulling their weight. Carl said Frank had tried to delegate chores to each person on day 1 but the younger people said they wanted fun and not structure so that did not work. He does not think they took being out there very seriously.

He never felt threatened by the animals because he always stayed within the boundaries they were given and he doesn't get scared easily.

It was a life changing experience and mostly he has come to appreciate his family and friends much more and he doesn't get as worked up over little things anymore.

He said all 4 of the adults are happily married and have a strong appreciate for family, friends and for hard work. They all worked hard all their lives and they all believe with hard work, anyone in the US can be successful. He thought that this is why they all got along so well.

Frank and Carl located a Miwassa tree early in the game. The Masai people use the branches to brush their teeth because they have antiseptic in them. He and Frank gave each person enough branches to last the whole game but he occasionally used his own toothbrush too.

Someone asked whether he thought he was too hard on the Gen Xers since they all work IRL and he said absolutely not. He said maybe he was a little hard if they honestly were using their laziness and lack of cooperation as a strategy but really everyone needs to pull their weight out there regardless and they were just not on the same page as the adults.

If he had won, he would have rented out a whole section of bleachers at Yankee Stadium and given a weekend at the park to senior citizens and underprivileged children. He would have put some $$ away for the education of his kids, give some to charity and have a party on a cruise ship for his family and friends with the rest. (I wonder if the Gen Xers knew he was going to use most of it for people other than himself?)

He figures Silas was at the helm of the decision to boot him and not Frank like the girls wanted. He said he believes it was because a. if could be justified in terms of Doc doesn't need the $$ and b. it was a message to the adults that Silas is in control. He figured he was a threat to Silas because he was not physically or mentall weak. (And Frank is??)

After being voted off, he met some of the local tribes and called the experience "enriching."

The adults got about 4 hrs of sleep each night because he, Frank and Theresa did the majority of the sentry work (where was Linda?) and then Frank got up early every morning to do chores.

Someone asked why everything had to be done when the adults wanted it done and said they didn't even give the youngsters a chance to do the chores on their own time. Carl said the hike to the water was a half a mile to a mile in the sun so the morning was the best time to do it since it was coolest then. Also, if they had waited for the young people to get up and get to it, it would have been a lot harder because that was a few more hours they would have been without water in the heat of the day waiting.

Carl did not watch either S1 or S2.

S3 was much more than he expected.

Someone asked how he felt about Linda and all her "life originated in Africa" stuff. He said she was born in West Africa and is very spiritual so he doesn't make value judgements about her even though what she believes might not be what he believes.

Someone asked how it felt to be bested by the generation he "dissed." Carl said he did not diss an entire generation (I say he did but maybe he didn't mean to), he was just frustrated because he couldn't figure out if it was just their strategy or if they were really that inconsiderate. He also said he was no "bested" by them, he just happened to get one question wrong so it was only a matter of Lady Luck not smiling on him, not of them really being better.

He said his patients love to talk about the show but he doesn't spoil it for them. They all thought he had won so they were in shock today.

"Without a doubt" the ringleader of the Gen Xers in Carl's eyes was Silas.

He said for those who want to be on Survivor, know that Lady Luck determines the winner despite all your best strategies and don't take it personal.

Silas actually approached the adults first although they made it look like it was the other way around on TV. He made a promise to Carl and Theresa. Theresa believed him but Carl did not. Theresa confronted him later and Silas told her it is just a game and he will tell anything to anyone.

Getting the water in the extreme heat and boiling it in "an inadequate container" and dealing with the young ppl were the 2 most challenging things about being out there.

Someone asked if he saw anything new last night and Carl said yes, they had no idea Brandon had boiled water and ate food with his friends without them (I wonder if he will keep doing that?) and his comments were "underhanded and lousy."

His family has no problems not bugging him for spoilers because they know about integrity and honour.

In his audition tape he started by saying dentists have the highest divorce and suicide rate. Then he said he was alive and married so he had survived the hardest part about being a dentist. He told them they wanted a 3 min tape and they were getting 2 and if they wanted higher ratings to choose him or "F'gedd about it." He made the tape in his office between patients, didn't even preview it and had to overnight it because he didn't get it done until the day before it was due.

He does not believe that the cow was hurt. He said it was startled way before they shot it because of all the production crews and lights around it.

He has not been noticed more in public and he doesn't feel like a star. He kept his full beard so he thinks he looks older and different now anyway. He is the dentist for the Orlando Magic so he is used to travelling in "star circles" anyway.

He said if he could change one thing, he would have bonded with Kim because he never really got to know her (I guess my impressions of the clips were correct). Brandon was "unapproachable," Silas had an agenda and Lindsey was in Silas' camp.

His final thoughts were that he hopes we all felt he played with honour and dignity because that is how he lives and to remember that it is only a show and a game and not reality.

Crazydog

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Joan so much for posting this!!

I'm not sure if it is your words or his, but the use of the term "adults" to describe Carl, Frank, Linda and Teresa - LOL!!!! All 8 of them are adults, just some of them older than the others! :)

To everyone who is complaining about the younger ones not working, doesn't it say anything to you that Carl and Frank didn't want them to get waater because they thought the younger ones would break the gourds? Surely Silas and company would not purposesly break the gourds, they need the water too. That strikes me as a little hypocritical. Frank and Carl complained about the younger ones not getting water, but also didn't want them to get it. I guess the adage is true, if you want something done right, do it yourself. But in my opinion, if you're going to do it yourself and not want others to do it, you have no right to complain that you're doing it yourself!

Crazydog

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 12:49 pm Click here to edit this post
To clarify, I know that what he meant was that he thought they wouldn't be careful and they would break the gourds, I'm not saying that he thought they would break them on purpose.

Joan

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 01:03 pm Click here to edit this post
Those are my words Crazydog. I am 23 and I guess I just never refer to my friends and I as "adults" so that transfers to Survivor too. hehe If anything, the ppl in Samburu are glorified teenagers anyway.

About the water, I got the impression that it was either the older people got it in the morning or everyone sat around without water in the heat of midday until a Gen Xer felt like going to get it.

Beagle

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 03:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks for taking time to post this, Joan :)

Joan

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 03:52 pm Click here to edit this post
No problem! I am about halfway through with the Insider clips so I will post them this weekend.

Lancecrossfire

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 04:11 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Joan, this was great to be able to see. I like Carl quite a bit, and will miss him.

Kep421

Friday, October 26, 2001 - 04:34 pm Click here to edit this post
I think Carl and the other "older" tribe members wanted the Gen X'ers to HELP with getting the water, not do it by themselves. Those kids are pretty distracted and are not paying attention to what is needed to survive the game, nor do they take survial seriously. Frankly, I too would be afraid that they would break the gourds if they went by themselves, not on purpose, but because they would not paying attention or taking the chore seriously.

I find it interesting that Carl said Silas approached them first about the alliance. Kinda puts a whole new twist on the show, huh?

Blonde

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 12:57 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks for taking the time to write this up and post it for us Joan, excellent job and very insightful, as usual.

We should indeed all keep an eye on Silas. And remember he is not just a bartender, but an actor as well.

Guinevere

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 01:14 pm Click here to edit this post
"I think Carl and the other "older" tribe members wanted the Gen X'ers to HELP with getting the water, not do it by themselves."

Well, I think the problem was that the oldster wanted to control the youngsters - yes, they wanted the youngsters to "help" but never to make any determinations of their own. The youngsters resisted and that was the cause of the split. Just my perception.

"I find it interesting that Carl said Silas approached them first about the alliance. Kinda puts a whole new twist on the show, huh?"

Uh, only if you consider Carl a reliable narrator. I thought he came off as an egotistical blowhard virtually every time he was on camera, and I don't trust his word.

Kep421

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 01:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, seeing as Carl was the only one who answered questions truthfully at tribal counsel, I think I would believe him before I would believe Silas who has already shown his willingness to lie.

Blonde

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 02:30 pm Click here to edit this post
I don't think it's really about trusting what anyone says in an interview. Interviews are all based on one person's experiences, how they remember what happened, and that is going to be subjective. It's just interesting to analyze their views and insider info with regard to the game.

Also, remember that the interviews are taking place now, after the game is over. What we are observing of Silas's behavior is taking place during the game, while he is still a player and implementing his strategy. I, for one, admire his smarts, as I did Richard Hatch's, even though I doubt I would have the ability or personality to play things the way he does.

Chippy

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 04:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Silas has smarts? Guess I missed that. I'd think if he had any smarts, he would have remained non-committal instead of outright lying so early in the game. He went from telling the older guys he was with them to stringing beads with the kids to voting Carl off. I'd believe Carl over him. And, I think he slit his own throat. He'd better grow a brain soon.

Egbok

Saturday, October 27, 2001 - 05:25 pm Click here to edit this post
Joan, thanks for your summary - very well done!! I will miss Carl. It's interesting to see how Samburu split into two definite groups and it goes to show just how important communication skills can be in a situation like this.

Fruitbat

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 07:24 am Click here to edit this post
Thanks Joan.

Blonde

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 09:07 am Click here to edit this post
Chippy, With the tribe split down the middle Silas had to pick a side and he sized them both up and chose the one he could control, the young people. Everyone knew he was the swing vote anyway, there was no hiding it.

Having done that, he could end up like Nicole in BB2 where everyone gets disgusted with him for playing both sides, or he could end up with a group of grateful followers to take into the merge. We'll see.

Chippy

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 11:03 am Click here to edit this post
I see what you're thinking blonde, but I think he'd have been much smarter to remain neutral- not get involved in either's power struggle. I recall him telling the older folks that he was "in" with them. Next thing ya know, he's telling Lindsey to trust him and getting his very own Gen X necklace. How do the others trust him now. I wouldn't. He stuck it to them in the voting process- I guess- just because he could. Funny you mention Nicole. I see a lot of her in Silas however, he is much easier on the eyes. I know I'm disgusted with him at this point- Just MHO.

Blonde

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 12:11 pm Click here to edit this post
Yeah, I started thinking of Nicole since you suggested that Silas started lying to everyone too early, Chippy, which is a good point. Nicole was also in the power position early on but it backfired on her when everyone had her number before the end of the show. If she had taken things slower she could have been where she was in the middle of the show when the final vote came and perhaps come out the winner. Although there was that out of control aspect to her personality (but we won't go there!)

Anyway, the dynamics of the Samburu tribe are interesting and I am curious to see where Silas goes with the whole thing now that he's gotten himself in the middle of it. He's a slick one, but you're also right, at least he is easy on the eyes!

Blonde

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 12:33 pm Click here to edit this post
One more thing Chippy, the older people do not have to trust Silas. He is in control of the majority at this point, so they have to deal with him as a force to be reckoned with, that's all. And that's the comparison to Richard Hatch. His partners in the Tagi alliance didn't always trust or like him, but they had to deal with him unless they could find a way to overthrow him as the leader. Silas is not that firmly in control yet. It's just starting and we'll see how he handles it. The older folks are smart and I'm sure they will have plans for him.

Fruitbat

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 02:02 pm Click here to edit this post
Carl said that he didn't think things were going to work well for Silas and he wished he got to know Kim better.

This tells me that Kim probably aligned with the older group and Silas has lost power because of this. He now finds himself on a team short in number and lost his chance to be trusted.

Wonder if he is out this week or next?

Chippy

Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 02:24 pm Click here to edit this post
Well, then there's the Lindsey factor rumor. If it's true that she has to be taken off for medical reasons (?), they lose their majority and it's back to a tie between the two groups. I don't know yet if her dehydration scene was it or... we'll see.
I think Kim could be the key. Brandon is a spiteful little whiney brat IMO and I'll be glad when he gets the boot. That food thing made me mad- and I thought the adults handled it well. I'd of slapped him upside the head with the burnt whatever that crap is.

One thing's for sure. If they don't get together as a team for the challenges, they're all sunk. You'd think they'd realize they need each other at the moment. Later, it's every man for himself! They started the feud way too early- like, five minutes after they got off the bus. Dumb.

Sawheel17

Monday, October 29, 2001 - 07:54 am Click here to edit this post
Yayyy, Chippy. Ditto,ditto and ditto!