Archive through January 13, 2002
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Archive through January 13, 2002
Llkoolaid | Monday, January 07, 2002 - 07:43 pm   Now that it is almost over I was just wondering if anyone had an opinion on how to make the next show better. I have a few ideas, like make food available if they have the brains to forage for it. Stop the pagonging by having the tribes change after every vote. They could do something like draw a color and stay on that team until the next tribal council. Try to make the challenges more like true survivor skills. Brute strength isn't the key to survival, challenges like building fires and building shelters and finding food and water would make a more interesting game. I am sure all you Survivor fans have better ideas than me on how to improve this show. |
Hippyt | Monday, January 07, 2002 - 08:29 pm   That's a real good question. I think on the next show they will have to forage for food. In S1,they caught stingrays and fish. In S2,the icky pig thing,and more fishing. So,I expect to see more fishing in Tahiti. You are absolutely right something needs to be done with the tribal situations. Good try MB,but 3 days away from your original tribe isn't going to change an alliance.I'm sure they'll try something new next show,although I can't imagine what it is.Maybe a sort of rotating teams,as you mention.To break an original alliance,I think the players would have to move around a lot to get to know the other players. As for the challenges,STALE! Can't they think of something other than having people stand on logs all day? I did enjoy the huge dungball challenge,that took teamwork,as well as the building the boma.But,most of them are just slightly different repeats of ones we've all seen.I also agree a lot of them are more geared towards the men,or younger players.They need to do some totally new challenges and stop reworking the ones they have! You've pretty much covered my gripes. I expect to see a new and improved S5,and if it doesn't happen,I expect to see a quick end to Survivor,because people are getting restless watching the same formula over and over. |
Tntitanfan | Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 05:18 am   How about a contest among fans to come up with challenges! I'll bet we could come up with some good stuff - |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 01:46 pm   It is starting to get old, I love the show and I hate seeing what is happening to it. Great Idea tntitanfan. |
Llkoolaid | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 05:15 am   From the information given on the next survivor it looks like I am going to get one of my wishes. They are going to be treated like real survivors and not given food, water or fire but are in a place where they can get it all on their own. I can't wait , I think this will be the best survivor yet. |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 05:28 am   It said "everything they need" was on the island- working to get food will make things much more interesting to watch. I read that the cast is a very "pretty" group of people. The island they showed last night was really beautiful. |
Mygetaway | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 07:52 am   I agree that mixing them up more often would be a good thing. Keep them on their toes. I'd also like to see some new games. Since the "fallen commrades" have to stick around, I'd like to see a game where the first few kicked off are playing with, or against the ones still in the tribe. Just to give them a little more air time, and give us something new. Maybe if they started single immunity earlier, it would be harder to "Pagong it" after the merge. I agree that it is getting kind of stale. I'm glad that Ethan won, but I was no where near as excited,(Tina) or "worked up" (Rich/Kelly) as the first two. If S4 doesn't catch me right away, I may not finish out the whole thing. (yeah, right..LOL) |
Quietstorm4 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 11:17 am   I kind of thought that S3 finale was the best one (or at least better than S2). Tom was hilarious, and I liked Brandon too. I was on pins and needles at first when it looked like Kim had a chance to win. That would have floored me. While a lot of people thought that this last season wasn't so great, I ended up thinking it wasn't so bad. I do think that this next one is going to be good since they have to do everything for themselves. |
Ketchuplover | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 01:55 pm   No teams. Every person for themselves. |
Car54 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:19 pm   Good idea Ketchuplover- I think having the players play for themselves earlier-either for rewards or immunity- would break up the early alliances. It would stir things up a little. |
Gina8642 | Friday, January 11, 2002 - 02:25 pm   I've been racking by brains for some ideas. I gotta say I really like some of those you all came up with. Especially: -Better, different, new challanges. -Bringing bootees into the challenges to give them a little more airtime. Not just at the end in the jury. -Requiring the use of more actual survivor skills. Really, only survivor one, with Rich doing the fishing did this really matter that much. They should insure they actually have a chance to suceed at some of these - maybe a few days training before hand? Not sure the best way to accomplish that. It seemed like the fishing in Survivor2 was so lame and impossible to suceed at. -Earlier merge. Or staged merging. 1 person from each tribe changes over to a third tribe after each boot. I.e., One person leaves the game, one person has to join the new tribe. Oh, I really like this idea, it would definately shake up the dynamics. For awhile there would be three tribes.... hmmmm....... -Better casting..... |
Puttergirl | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 01:49 pm   I'd like to see one done in a really cold environment, like Antartica or one of the Poles. I'm tired of the hot, dry thing. Its time to mix it up!!!! >>>>> Cold Survivor |
Lancecrossfire | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 02:14 pm   I'll end up saying much of what's been said above, although will throw out my ideas. 1. Be able to get food. Don't make it so easy that you can trip over dinner, but don't make it as hard as fishing was in S2. This way, food gathering helps take up time, doesn't allow them to just sit if they wanted to, and can play a part in the game of who to keep and who to get rid of. 2. Use challenges when there are two tribes that includes skills of all types; strength, speed, agility, hand/eye coordination, and planning. In S3, there were times that with a quick 30 second evaluation, they could have figured out how to better utilize people's skills and strategies for fatigue. Reward those who figure that out and use it. The idea of letting others suggest challenges is a good one! If MB uses ones that are better or more creative than his, I think there would be more people watching because they would have a potential input. It would be important to remember MB will be suing challenges that include the customs and situations for the people native to the area. I don't see him moving from that for at least a couple of the challenges. 3. Make it so alliances/voting can't be discussed. It's an individual game and a team game. Keep the indiviudual part (winning the game) individual. The team part is about working together during challenges. They don't need alliances to do that. This way, we will better see what everyone considers important. Is it getting rid of a strong person? A week person? Someone who doesn't get along? Let's let everyone pick that for themselves and vote accordingly. Enough with the Pagonging! 4. Make the extra footage available for $20 more like 4 hours or 6 hours. They will get a heck of a lot more people signing up, and we will get to see more of what goes on--we will feel a bit more connected to the game. The things MB wants hidden can still be done if only 6 hours out of 72 is shown. 5. Rotate all tribe members after each TC. Have all 10 draw for what tribe they will be in for the next 3 days. This way, every gets to know everyo0ne else, and there isn't as great of chance of Pagonging. 6. Attempt to find a location that is both eye catching and hard on the survivors. I realize this one could be a tough request. If so, alternate between something like Africa and Tahiti. (like they are doing know). I think there are 2 basic types of interest in watching Survivor. Those who watch it for the game value--they don't care too much about the how scenic it is, and they don't care if there is a lot of bickering or folks like Frank--they just want to see a good game. The other group wants to also see a scenic setting, a lot of interpersonal actions, more entertainment to go with the game. Let folks know there will be all of it, even if it can't be done all in one show. That way no one loses total interest in the concept. 7. Show more of the TC and the questions Jeff asks and the answers. 8. Allow each jury member to ask one question every tribal TC to each of the remaining survivors. Show this information as part of the extra package you can get for $20. 9. Take them off from Letterman, and give them to Kilborn. Or, let them decide on which of the shows they want to go on. If there are 5 that are part of the group now, give them a choice of 3 they can attend. 10. Look more for those who want to play the game as apposed to those that want air time. |
Car54 | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 02:42 pm   Wow,Lance, how do we get this list to Mark Burnett? Those are really good ideas. |
Llkoolaid | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 03:00 pm   Wow Lance, I asked for ideas and you sure came through. I especially like idea number 10, there is nothing worse than watching someone on there just to get air time. I also agree with change number 5, which I suggested earlier, I just didn't do so well explaining it. I also agree with Car, these need to be sent to Burnett. Here's another idea, let the viewing audience have one vote, That would help with the pagonging. |
Ophiliasgrandma | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 03:08 pm   One thing to keep in mind and which would negate a couple of suggestions is that the show, voting at TC are long over with by the time we get to see them. |
Meme9 | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 05:24 pm   I would enjoy seeing everything done on an individual basis. See who really can Outwit, Outplay, and Outlast. 1. Don't have tribes. Everyone in one group. Every person for himself. 2. If they caught fish or find food it's theirs, if they want to share with people and form alliances, fine, if not, fine. Those to lazy to help themselves will be eliminated because of their own weakness(that way they can't blame others). 3. As for the RC, the winner is a person(or persons)not a team. 4. Instead of IC, let that be the dismissal of a person(if they lose they are out). 5. Stop voting of dismissal. I know some of you may not like my suggestions, but this to me would make the show really interesting.....And to have a REAL SURVIVER, They would be able to say they "Survived and Won" the game. IMO  |
Discoinferno | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 07:24 pm   Have me and Moondance play! |
Tntitanfan | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 08:20 pm   But how could we choose who to root for, Disco?? I know I woudl be torn!! |
Twiggyish | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 08:27 pm   Disco,I think it would be a good show if you and Moon were there =) Good ideas Lance. I especially like #9! |
Llkoolaid | Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 08:34 pm   They could form an aliance and we could root for them both and then when they get to the final 2 we wouldn't have time to pick sides and would be happy for whoever won. How will we know if one of you get in. |
Discoinferno | Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 08:42 am   Tribe Member #1: Moondance, what is up with that freak from the other team constantly shouting Rosebud all the time? Moondance (tugging on ear Carol Burnett style) Gee, I don't know? |
Gina8642 | Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 09:06 am   Lance, very great ideas. Especially #10 10. Look more for those who want to play the game as apposed to those that want air time. For me, It's not even just those cast member who just want air time, its those cast members who don't care if they win or not, they just wanted the free trip to Africa or where ever. I think #10 had been the downfall of survivor 2 and 3. Too many folks are out their either trying to start their media career or "just for the challange/experience". I want to watch people out there who are trying to win the game. It is game usn't it Mark Burnett? KimP, KimJ, Linda, and maybe others didn't seem to give a crap if they won the game at all. It put others at a real disadvantage as they tried to menuver through the game. Brandon and Kelly really wanted to win, but they were put at a disadvantage by the two Kims. KimP because after the Kelly vote she was more concerned about Brandon's "betrayal" then trying to win the game. And KimJ, because she was more interested in voting off people she saw as unworthy, then of daring to join an alliance herself, and try to win the game. MarkB claims he casts all "Type A" personalities, and that may be true, but too many don't seem to care if they win or not. Sure, they would be happy if it worked out, but they were more thrilled with just the opportunity to go to Africa. It would be more interesting if they were all concerned equally with winning. Teresa is a prime example of the type he should cast, she was a very nice person, but always kept her eye on the ball. Amber or KimJ are examples of the not so great casting calls. Amber, who was happy to just be carried along with her alliance. Or KimJ, who even though she pulled off Final2, never really tried to win. She was just too busy, judging everyone else. If KimJ would have won, she would have "deserved it" because she won over that cast - and it would have been even more boring a show then it already was. But if MarkB would have cast more agressive "want to win" cast members, I don't think KimJ would have made it so far. 'Course I do admit that these "KimJ or Amber" types are carried far into the game by the "want to win" types like Eth/Lex/Tom because they are seen as non-threating in the end. So, MarkB, please cast all "want to win" types. It makes the game more interesting to watch. You don't even need to choose idiot braggerts like I see sometimes on "Fear Factor". There are plenty of folks who are agressive in trying to win, but still do it in a way that is fun to watch. (Teresa, Ethan, and even Lex some of the time.) |
Neko | Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 10:12 am   Someone really needs to find out MB's email and send these in. I think he'd like them a lot. |
Demeter | Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 11:59 am   Gina, I have to disagree. I don't mind if the participants are there for the experience or to win. To me, it is not "just a game." For the viewers, it is entertainment that comes from a variety of facets of the "experience." If it becomes just about winning, all we will have to watch are the alliances and challenges. How many of us will keep that image of Frank "talking" to the elephant in their mind? Was that about winning the game? No, but it provided a humurous and touching moment of entertainment. In any contest the individual participants are part of the group for different reasons...some to win money, some to win recognition, some to learn something about themselves (whether it is running a marathon, running for political office, or being a "Survivor"). It is the entire mix that makes for an interesting viewing experience. |
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