Rosie and the Survivors
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Wink | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 08:20 am  The video montage Rosie ran of Colby was very well done. He should use that as the tape he sends out to potential employers. Who could not love those eyes? His earning power is going to be unlimited. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 08:46 am  That's a slight overstatement don't you think? |
Karuuna | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:25 am  I would imagine that Tina has other taxes to pay besides Federal Income. What's the state tax rate in Tennessee? Also, depending on the circumstances, she may have to pay 15% self-employment tax. They also have to add their total household income for the year to the million, to figure out their total tax liability. Her hubby's income used up at least some of the dollars which are taxed at the lower rates. My guess is that she also didn't start that charitable foundation she mentioned, since if she had that money would be exempt from taxes, and would have reduced her tax liability. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:33 am  Tennessee does not have a state income tax. The self-employment tax would only be imposed on self-employment income. Tina indicated that she lost that amount of the prize, not that that was her ENTIRE tax bill (though she could have been mistaken). |
Karuuna | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:33 am  Maybe Deb didn't want to stick around with the rest of the group? Didn't she leave before anyone else came out? Perhaps all those old wounds hadn't healed for her. Also, I think it's up to Rosie who she wants to give gifts to, and who she doesn't. We can't know why some folks were on the show and others weren't, perhaps she invited others and they declined? Also, I do think Tina should still do something for Colby, since he did choose to bring her along, thus giving her the opportunity to win. But that's between them. If Colby is fine with all the other opportunities that have come along for him, and there seem to be plenty, maybe he truly is fine with letting her off the hook. If she does give Colby a Harley, she'll have to pay taxes on the gift (very weird tax law). However, she can give him up to $10,000 without incurring an additional tax bill. And they are ALL going to have to find a way to pay the taxes on those nice prizes Rosie gave them. |
Karuuna | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:36 am  OI, will it could be that since the money was awarded this year, and since Tina has been awarded other prizes and probably appearance fees, that the IRS would consider her a professional this year, and therefore self-employed. Don't underestimate the taxing power of the IRS. Also, it may be advantageous to her in the long run to file as a professional, since that's the only way she would be able to deduct expenses against all that income and the prizes. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:40 am  I think you're right about the performance/appearance income, but the prize income would never be considered self-employment income, but just ordinary income. |
Karuuna | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 09:51 am  I think how prize income gets classified is sometimes a choice, and sometimes not. Without revealing private information, I just know that because I had a friend that worked for the Colorado lotto system, and another friend who won. The IRS is an odd agency, and while you'd think these things would be logically decided they aren't. It's much like that gift tax. If YOU give a gift of over $10,000 to someone YOU have to pay the tax on that gift (they don't), even tho you've *already* paid taxes on that money when you made it. Now tell me what's logical about that?! If Tina pays off her friend's mortgage, and if she buys Colby a Harley for over $10 grand, she has to pay additional taxes on both of those things. Since I don't know who figured that tax amount for her, I don't know what she's including and what she's not. I agree all that just makes the whole thing muddier, but just thought I'd throw my experiences into the mix.  |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:16 am  Gift tax is a transfer tax -- I think the only reason gift taxes exist is so that inheritance money is not transferred through gifts, but is transferred through inheritance (above $10,000, that is) and thus subject to estate tax. In any case, I would blame Tina if she didn't buy her neighbor's house! |
Grooch | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 10:23 am  That's why I said, the first thing she has to do is get a tax lawyer! |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 11:39 am  That is certainly the bottom line.. don't spend money up front, get a tax attorney.. if she really intends to set up a fund, get that started as a trust with a favorable tax status. Since she just got the check last week and hasn't been home yet, I imagine she is just estimating anyway. Unless they can be awfully creative, they will fall under the alternate minimum tax rule as far as deductions go. Another thought.. since she was paid by.. well I have no idea.. Mark Burnett cosigned the check but who paid? Could be considered income in that state where she "earned" it.. When Richard did a brief ET interview with Tina I think he said she'd likely earn an amount equal to the prize in the next year, indicating that this was his experience. He did advise setting aside the tax money first tho. I frankly think all the nice things she is saying about Colby are worth more than a Harley, but it really is between them. I think the friendship means more to each of them. Rosie can spend her money any way she wants, no?? |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 11:51 am  Certainly Rosie can spend money on whoever she chooses in any amount. I feel badly for the ones that didn't get a nice gift though. It comes with the territory of "mother" that I look to see that everyone is equal in the gift department. I still do that and they are grown young men. You just can't turn that off. I think you can see on the tape that Colby said she was off the hook after he teased her saying, "NO!" I didn't tape it but I think I remember that. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 03:08 pm  He did say no initially, but it came up again and he definitely said Tina was off the hook.. My mom was really worried about equal too.. one time she actually gave a couple of us tiny checks to make sure she spent the same amount I don't remember (nor did I see) all of the Survivors who already were on Rosie.. The gift for Jerri was a trip to a (Rosie said) really great spa for relaxation and pampering, since Jerri had repeatedly said she was just sleepless, hungry and grouchy, but not a b!tch.. I taped it, but.. not sure if it got taped over last night or not. (pretty sure tho) |
Zeb | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:37 pm  I've noticed that Rosie buys gifts for a lot of different people at various times, including her audience. I guess it's her option to give whatever she wants. Maybe it's a tax write-off for her. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:59 pm  Perhaps.. I think some of the stuff is donated in trade for ad placement too.. Like her stressing that the tickets to China and other places came from Cheaptickets.com and of course Pontiac is eager to place those odd little vehicles in front of the public, I suppose. I guess it just makes people like Rosie and Oprah feel good but I do wonder why it has to be so public? After she announced that the SI people there were getting trips to Australian outback I almost feared that she was sending the SII people to pulau tiga.. but.. Grand Caymans made them smile. Amber, Mitchell and Maddog being sent to Las Vegas together seemed a tad whimsical to me |
Tess | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:33 am  I've been trying to remember what Rosie gave the other survivors who have been on and all I can come up with is the bed that Nick got (while Rosie was in the hospital) because she kept hearing people call him lazy. I think she gave Alicia a big screen tv and lounging chairs (or maybe that was Jeff). Which ever one it was I don't remember what she gave the other one. She did also tell Alicia she wanted to hire her as a personal trainer but I don't know if she did. Rosie mentioned early on (I think during S1) that she can't get all the survivors because of network restrictions or something. Seems to me she's been good at getting the ones she likes this time around anyway. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 04:23 am  She gave Jerri a trip to Hershey Pa, a stay at a spa there and chocolate. Alicia got a recliner and big screen TV so she could get flabby and fat. Kimmi got tofu and arugula. Some staffer did not know what etamame (green soy beans) were and misintrepreted her wishing for these on an episode. Maybe she got something else but it was small if she did. She must have given Jeff something. He gave her the coloring book for ebay. Funny, we have heard nothing about that. Rodger and his wife got a trip to Hawaai. We know everyone except Jeff, Kel and Mike. If they were guests they must have gotton something, even if it was a joke gift. >>>I guess it just makes people like Rosie and Oprah feel good but I do wonder why it has to be so public? <<<< It makes them feel good and the receivers and viewers as well. I love to see people get gifts. They are in the entertainment business and everything they do is public. Creates interest in their show and is fun to do. |
Jenhavins | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 07:26 am  Jeff got a car from Rosie. A Saturn I believe. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 08:26 am  It's nice to see people get gifts, that's true. However, this whole thing stinks of favoritism and I would have thought better of Rosie. On top of that, I'm not sure that these people have done anything to deserve a gift. It seems like some of them got gratuitously slammed in public. |
Moondance | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:38 pm  A gift is a gift OI... desrving has nothing to do with it... if it was deserving it is called something else...reward etc... I agree MsBat... it is fun to see then receive gifts... it makes me feel good inside to see people get things... its fun! |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 04:07 pm  I also agree that is it fun.. but it does seem like these people did get their chance at fame already. I know I heard that she gave Kel beef jerky but not if there was a more useful gift to go with that. And to be fair, I don't watch Rosie except when someone like a survivor is going to be on. So I cannot evaluate her show (well I could and did and don't watch). So.. there is the after show tonight.. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 04:16 pm  Well you're right of course but I feel bad for those who got rotten gifts and I don't think they deserved that kind of treatment. |
Zeb | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 04:58 pm  I wonder if I told Rosie all my sad stories if she would buy me an Aztek and send my on a cruise? |
Moondance | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 05:06 pm  I like Rosie... at least she gives gifts A lot of people don't even bother... what have you(general) given today? |
Lobster | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 06:11 pm  I gave my boss a headache, but I don't think he appreciated it.  |
Tksoard | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 06:39 pm  Today is my moms 77th birthday. I gave her a call, but of course, she wasn't home. She delivers Meals on Wheels everyday, then takes her older and frailer friends to the Y to go swimming. She just never stops!! She wears me out when I go up to Mich. and even when I just talk to her! I'm sure she won't be slowing down for a really long time! Happy Birthday Mom!! Also a card and wind chime. |
Moondance | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 07:10 pm  LOL Lobster! Tk she sounds GREAT... would wear me out too! Happy Birthday to her! |
Max | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 08:57 pm  Quote:I wonder if I told Rosie all my sad stories if she would buy me an Aztek and send my on a cruise?
Well, I don't know, but I got an issue of "Rosie" magazine and she's got her 5th grade picture in there. My 10th and 11th grade pictures look SO much like that one, we could almost be twins! I'll have to send in copies of both side-by-side and see if I get an invite to be on the show.
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Tksoard | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 09:12 pm  Thanks Moon. She'll appreciate that! |
Fabnsab | Friday, May 11, 2001 - 12:37 am  I like it, too, when Rosie gives gifts but it's getting to the point when people are starting to expect it. About the tax thing again, Tina said 47% will go to taxes and that is(of course) $470,000.She mentioned both numbers. I'm sure someone figured this out for her. Colby was on the red carpet at the country awards with Nancy O'Dell from Access Hollywood and she was yelling to Tina that she still owes Colby a bike and Colby was going along with it. I couldn't hear what Tina was saying but she was shaking her head. |
Luvmom | Friday, June 01, 2001 - 07:20 pm  hey fruitbat, you were wondering what Mike got.He got a trip back to Australia with his family since he had to leave early.The only one i didn't see was Kel. |
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