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Gina8642 | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 09:49 pm     Finally - Does Elyse have an eating disorder??? I have no way of knowing. Nor, do any of the viewers and perhaps any of those girls living with her. I had a very good friend in college who was extremely thin. We even lived together one year. She was harrassed constantly about how thin she was. Always said she didn't have an eating disorder. That she ate what she wanted. Ate when she was hungry, etc. She went through this vegan phase where all she ate was sweet potatos. We'd known each other since we were 2 years old. I always defended her. Well, guess what? Turns out she DID have an eating disorder. She was just in denial. We were so close, I totally fell for all her excuses. She'd always been odd and obsessive about stuff, so when she only ate sweet potatos I thought it was out of animal welfare concerns. It wasn't. She wanted to be thinner than everybody else. She thought it made her get noticed (it did). She thought they guys would like her better (they did). In our late 20s she totally admitted how obsessed she had been with food and trying to keep herself that thin. She never wanted to let anyone know. She always worked on giving some other reason (veganism, running track, or whatever) for why she looked that way. My friend more or less grew out of her disorder. She never got so thin she was going to die or need to be hopitalized. She was a functioning person who probably should have weighed 15-20lbs more. She'd have blended right in with how Hollywood looks these days. She was also an excellent athlete (many athletes have eating problems). Anyways - so we CAN'T know about Elyse. Perhaps even Elyse doesn't know about Elyse. Her statement about knowing MORE about eating disorders than anyone else was a BIG red flag for me. When you are obsessed with weight, you get obsessed with eating disorders. You read every article about them, you watch every made for TV movie. Some experts theorize all the publicity about eating disorders had just publizized how become a better anorexic/bulimic. Elyse knowing more, just makes it more likely. Anyways again - we can't know. Certainly not from a superficial couple minutes of these girls lives shown on TV. Some people are natually thin and tall, I agree. But not every person making that claim is telling the truth either. My friend wasn't and I didn't know. How on earth can we know about Elyse??!!?? |
Beachcomber88 | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 11:33 pm     I guess I'm in the minority when I say I'm sorry to see Giselle is gone. I've liked her from the beginning - I liked her spunk, her exotic looks, and her energy. I also thought she did great during the modeling shoot - I'm still having trouble understanding the "dancer" comment. What's wrong with showing you can move? Otherwise she would have looked like Shannon. Adrianne has become my favorite, and I hope that she wins. The visit with her mother was extremely touching and perhaps the most emotional moment of this entire series. To see Adrianne break down in the confessional after learning her mother would come to visit NYC, a city that she "otherwise would never be able to see." To hear Adrianne talk about the scams and the lost money. To hear her say how that this could be "our big break", only to be corrected by her mother to "stop saying we, it's all you." What a truly loving mother! I can just imagine all the sacrifices that she has endured so that her child could pursue a dream. Tugs at the heart strings. I really hope that she wins this for her and for her mother. |
Kappy | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 06:22 am     Thank you, folks, for the news on what happened! And Gina, like you, my first thought when they brought up Adrienne's speech problems on the show last week was that if she won, she could easily hire a speech coach. I don't know if they brought it up again last night (it doesn't air here until Sun.) but if they did, they're being very honest with each of these girls about what the modeling business is going to think and expect. And while at times I've felt they were being a bit harsh, I also think they're being much kinder then the agencies would be on these girls if they were coming to NY for the first time. I've never cared that much for fashion models but I've found this show interesting (and yes, at times repulsive) as to how one attempts to make it in this business. As someone said earlier, if their child was comtemplating entering this world, this would be a great eye opener. Again, thanks for the synopsis everyone!  |
Pamy | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 06:43 am     I want Adrianne to win! I had tears in my eyes watching her and her Mom, I loved how she said 'we' are gonna win this and the mom corrected her to say no it is you. I also was touched about how she really wants to pay her mom back for all the modeling stuff. That journalist was HOT!! I didn't think Janice could get any b!tchier but she proved me wrong last nite!! I almost get the feeling Tyra is bummed she hired for a judge. Robin is not big! Gawd! I wish that old biddy would stop harping on it. I agree that Robin's bible thumping will not help her career unless she wants to put on some fake lashes and a whole lot of makeup! think Tammy Faye |
Fluff | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 06:43 am     I like Adrienne's personality, but I cringe to hear her talk. My goodness. I don't like Elyse or Robin for equal reasons. Though I don't like Robin for the obvious, Elyse does the same thing when she brags about being intellectually superior than the others. And I do think she has an eating disorder. (sorry) The other girls are blah. I can't stand Janice, and I am so glad Tyra set her straight. I love Tyra, I tell you the truth. It's like she can see straight through a person, because her observations are always right on point, particularly when she pointed out to the judges how Giselle was "fishing" for compliments at the photo shoot. I am glad to see her gone. Also, I love Tyra's hair! It's always so soft and fluffy, and the color looks especially gorgeous on her. |
Demeter | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 06:58 am     I want to comment on the implications that Elyse has an eating disorder. One person thought her comment about knowing about eating disorders was a red flag. I didn't take it that way. Although she is not yet in medical school, she has worked quite extensively in the research field of biology and chemistry. It is rare for a pre-med student to have the experience she has, but it looks as though she has taken advantage of opportunities made available to her. The trainer indicated he did not think she had an eating disorder, that she more than holds her own physically with the other women, as demonstrated in her out performing the other women in the swim activities...meaning she had the energy to do that. The biggest clue for me is that she reports comfort with her body and with being seen nude. I work in the medical and mental health field...I have never seen any person with an active eating disorder being comfortable with their body being shown nude. My guess is that some of the girls feel threatend by her and because of some of the conflicts, they will throw doubt in her direction when they can. It is a competition afterall. |
Fluff | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 07:10 am     But didn't Adrienne say something about she heard her throwing up after eating all that pasta? |
Demeter | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 07:24 am     Maybe she did. Sometimes "I" vomit after overeating. It was clear she was reacting to the girls assuming she had an eating disorder and she probably did eat more than usual. Did you see that plate of pasta she ate? Not everyone could eat that much without vomiting. That doesn't mean it was self-induced. (BTW...I am not a little petite person like these women) |
Laura11103 | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 07:35 am     Great show last night. As for Elyse and a possible eating disorder, who knows... I found it interesting that just about all the girls think she has one and they're living with her, so that could be a clue. But then again, she had her opportunity to admit it and she adamently denied it, so I guess she's just skinny. I liked Elyse's boyfriend, he looks like her! lol. Adrienne is nice, don't find her very physically attractive, but she definitely seems to want this the most. They definitely voted off the right person, but I wonder what makes them decide who are the last 2... does that mean that Elyse would've been next? I figured Elyse was doing the best out of all of the models, but they put the drama in by making Elyse and Giselle the last two, I guess there's no reason to it. Five girls left... I think Elyse is gonna win. |
Fluff | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 07:37 am     No, but she said she heard her run the water first, and then the vomiting, to suggest that she drank some water to help her upchuck the food. And something about shiney teeth. Daggit, why wasn't I paying attention?! And still, if she is eating to please someone in the manner that she did, wouldn't that suggest that something is wrong. I mean, Elyse said herself that she eats until she gets full. But if she normally doesn't eat alot, and then suddenly in front of Tyra, she's eating this entire plate (and it's full of carbs, might I add).... . |
Meli456 | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 07:42 am     I still like Elyse. She got two degrees in three years, I think its highly unlikely she could do that if she had an eating disorder. She wouldn't have the energy and eventually wouldn't have much hair either. And if Elyse is of the high IQ variety, she is definitely NOT among her peers and probably has felt like an outsider all of her life. Most people with high IQs think just like her, myself included. Many, if not most, gifted people become anti-social and anti-establishment because they look at society from the outside in and process experiences differently. Blah, blah, blah sorry for carrying on! I'm only on my second cup of coffee!! |
Fluff | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 08:23 am     I still don't understand why she is in this competition, but complains about how stupid the girls are, and how she wants to come home, etc. HELLO! It's a modeling competition! She couldn't have expected everyone to be like her. I think that's why I get upset everytime I hear her complain. And she is very good at modeling, which is another reason why I get angry when I hear her complaining. If you're good at it, then that should give you more confidence, particularly around the other girls. She's in a blessed position right now, but chooses to use all her energy to talk trash about the other girls, and I still don't think she deserved to win that little public relations contest because of the interview she gave. Had that been the real world of journalism, her interview could've landed her in a bunch of trouble, if you know what I mean. She just bugs me the wrong way, that's all. I'm sorry for my fussing as well this morning. I drank some expired Sunny Delight this morning, and my stomach is constantly reminding me with loud, wailing, churns.  |
Not1worry | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 08:30 am     Elyse's ranting about her intellectual superiority is downright snotty, but I do understand it. She's caught between thinking she's too smart and modeling is beneath her and thinking that why shouldn't she succeed at this?? It really showed when she said she didn't want her boyfriend to see her model, as though it's embarrassing. No doubt that she is very good at it though. I can understand her breakdown in the confessional too. Living in close quarters with women will do that to you, whether it's a competition or not! Especially women who make a hobby out of picking at you. They've found someone to harp on with the eating disorder thing. Stress and fatigue and being on the defensive will bring a breakdown. I lived with 55 other women in basic training in the Army and it was hellish. Like some bizarre Lord of the Flies sub-culture of estrogen. Does she have an eating disorder??? I think she's very driven and a perfectionist and that may go along with unhealthy eating habits. We just don't know. I do love the way she could care less about her almost non-existent boobs. The way Adrienne pokes at them cracks me up. |
Meli456 | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 08:48 am     Well, I missed the show last night so maybe that would change my point of view. Fluff, I doubt she expected anyone there to be like her. She said she's the funny one among her school friends, intellectuals who probably appreciate sarcasm. I agree that her rants are coming off harsh, but she really doesn't have anyone to talk to and lots of pent up frustration. She doesn't seem confrontational, as far as I can see. Was she having issues with her confidence in last night's episode? |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 09:23 am     One of the coolest things about Adrienne, is that one of her biggest flaws - her speech - is easily fixed. Most of the problems a model has in her appearance are NOT as easily changed. (Say a nose job, or bad cheeks, or whatever makes 99.9% percent of us unsuitable for modeling...) I'm thinking Tyra and the Babyphat judge are not going to let Elyse win just because they don't want to re-enforce the super thin model stereotype. I think Elyse can get NY runway work right now, just based on how well she's done in this show. Perhaps enough to pay for med school. She doesn't need to 'win' to suceed. I guess I'm rooting for Adrienne to win. Of those I like, I think she'd benefit the most. |
Not1worry | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 10:26 am     I've been trying to figure out who the judges will pick to win. What Gina said about Elyse being too thin made me think of something that the judges have against each of them. Elyse - too thin Robin - too big, too pageant-y Shannon - too bland, too stiff Adrienne - horrible speech Kesse - too Tyra-ish |
Jan | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 10:27 am     Like many of you, I am for Adrienne. She needs and wants it the most, that's for sure. Elyse only wants it because she can't stand to fail at anything. She as much as said that. Also she said she never quits. I think she absolutely expects to win this thing and won't be able to take the blow to her ego if one of these lesser beings beats her out. I agree that she is miles smarter than anyone there but I am sick to death of hearing her say so. Whoever said she is just like Robin is completely right, I think. With Robin it is religion and what a wonderful person she, herself, is. With Elyse it's athiesm and what a smart person she, herself, is. The verdict is still out for me as to whether or not Elyse has an eating disorder. I think Adrienne subconsciously sees her as her greatest competition and this is a way to maybe get Elyse in the judges minds. That awful judge has consistently said from the very first show that Elyse is best because she is so thin and Robin is no good because she is too large (and old). No wonder Tyra took off at her. I have seen Tyra on many talk shows and she is always concerned for teenagers and eating disorders. I have always liked Tyra when I see her on Talk shows. She runs a camp every summer for girl teens to help them with confidence issues. She seems to genuinely care about people and to be really "real". |
Cecjoc | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 10:37 am     For me, last night proved that the only reason Robin is still there, ( and even in the top ten) is Tyra. Tyra is over the model hill, has a big but, etc..., and seems to be projecting comments directed at Robin onto herself--She took the Robin comments very personally I thought. Janice may be a nut, but she's right--Elyse was the only one there since the beginning that actually looks like a TOP Model. She is very reminiscent of the model Shalom, who does a lot of Haute Coutoure, Chanel, etc... The other girls could model and make some money, but Elise is the only one in the TOP category. It was ludicrous to compare Robin to the 3 plus size models like Emme, Mia Tyler, etc... Those women are, like Tyra, exceptionally beautiful, proportioned symmetrically, and started young. Robin is at best, catalog material. The modeling business is not about fairness or niceness--it's about making money for the advertiser or magazine. If anything, Tyra is sending a very personal, defensive, and innacurate message about the realities of modeling. I've modeled in NY, and have been there. Robin would never have gotten the front door, especially starting at 26. Elyse should walk away, and into the front door of the Ford agency--she's their type, and she could make a lot of money. |
Not1worry | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 10:38 am     I remember seeing Tyra on Oprah years ago. I rarely watch Oprah and I'm not sure why I saw it that day. But Tyra was so genuine and funny that I watched it all. The one thing I remember the most was Oprah saying "Tyra, your breasts...well, they're fabulous!" |
Fluff | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 11:33 am     I remember that! |
Beachcomber88 | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 03:20 pm     Pamy, you and I are on the same page about Adrianne. But so far, it appears that only we alone were so strongly affected by the visit from her mother. As I said above, it truly tugged at the heart strings. I was doing all I could to hold back the tears while watching with my friends. I hope Elyse doesn't win. For her to think she's sooooo smart is ridiculous! Sure, when you compare her to all the other girls in the house, she's obviously got more intellectual ability and educational ambition. But these other girls are wannabe models! I personally don't think it's that big a deal that she's going to medical school. And I can say that, because I have. Being a doctor these days isn't what it used to be - much lower monetary compensation, insurance problems, endless paperwork... The bottom line is that it's not as attractive to college graduates as it used to be, and this is reflected by the yearly decreasing number of applications to medical school. Pretty much anybody that's worked hard and done ok in college can get accepted these days. And to have two undergraduate degrees? Big deal. My brother and I have done that also. Some of my friends have three! And to do research in the laboratory? Whoopee. Demeter, I disagree with you - it's rare for a pre-med student NOT to have research experience. I'd be curious to see where Elyse would match up with all of the other pre-med students in the country. For example, what were her MCAT scores (a medical admissions test)? Where is she going to medical school? If someone tells me that she had perfect 15s and that she's going to Harvard, then I might agree with you that she's smart. Until then, I just look at her as a shark swimming amongst the fishes in a small pond. Elyse, there's a big ocean out there. |
Jbean | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 03:58 pm     i thought the visit with adrian and her mom was really sweet, too. yes, i admit, it made me cry too. i have so many thoughts running through my head after watching these shows i forget to mention them. i like her, too, she certainly is driven. just get that speech fixed!  |
Jan | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 04:02 pm     hey Adrianne is my favourite too and that mother visit certainly influenced my decision. |
Jan | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 04:08 pm     forgot to mention that I saw Tyra on E talk Live. She said that she is so glad that the show is "a hit". I have no idea what that means. I am sure it just means that it has high ratings for a UPN show. She was quite good, I thought, but I can't really remember all she had to say. I do remember that, when asked why she conceived of the show, she said that so many people tell her what beautiful daughters they have and want to know how they can become successful models. She wanted to show them that beautiful girls are a dime a dozen. It takes a lot more than beauty to be a top model. She also said that, if you want to be a model, NEVER PAY MONEY to anyone who says they can help. She said you can just send in shots, even polaroid shots, to an agency but never be taken in by scams that say, if you pay so much money they can get you modelling jobs etc (like happened to Adrianne). |
Texasdeb | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 04:19 pm     Adrianne was one of my top runners until the episode with the food poisoning - she jumped out to #1 IMO. I jumped for joy that Giselle got the boot. Never took a liking to that girl. I still like Elyse. Her & Adrianne look the most like real models when they're doing modeling stuff. Kesee (or whatever her name is)& Shannon just don't look like the model type. I don't see Robin as anything but a face model (not the whole pkg). |
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