Archive through July 08, 2003
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Archive through July 08, 2003
Willwillbee | Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 11:17 pm     CATFAT - a true BB addict sees housemates in everyone they see on TV - rofl |
Kappy | Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 11:46 pm     Here are some links to Gisele Bunchen photos. Since Robyn sounds like she admires her, I thought it would be fun to imagine Robyn in the same phots shots. (*Note ~ If you're easily offended, I wouldn't view these photos of Gisele) A patriotic pose with July 4th in mind: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36877 I'm sure Robyn has a similar type of dog: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36889 For in case Robyn feels more comfortable posing with a woman: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36981 Gisele's ode to the plus-size body: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36981 Illusions of nudity ala Michael Jackson: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36971 Not really nudity ala Gisele: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36881 With a daycare worker in mind: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36692 Another good one with children in mind: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=37019 Nope, no nudity for Gisele: http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36734 Yet another "illusion": http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=37043 http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36881 http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36774 http://www.perfectpeople.net/picpage.php3/cpid=36981 |
Cecjoc | Friday, July 04, 2003 - 09:25 am     Robin's delusion is not that she says she is a size six, (about adrianne or giselle's size, and the size of the average non plus size print model) but that she seems to think everyone will believe it. She lives so deeply in her delusions that she is very comfortable with them, and doesn't realize that people see her as delusional when they are smiling and nodding. For the record, I am a former NY model. I'm 5' 10" and now weigh 158. Robin is 5'9"/160. I am very symmetrical, and still quite lanky, even at that weight. I wear a size 10-12, and Robin's hips are much, much bigger than mine. She looks to be at the minimum a 14 on the bottom, probably more of a 16-18. When she was over 200 lbs, she had to have been in the sz. 20-26 range. I have a feeling she's referring to her size on top, which looks to be about an 8-10. When I modeled, I weighed 125-130, and wore a six, and I do have hips/an hourglass shape, with a figure much like Giselle's or Christy Turlington's. Sizing runs bigger for most tall girls, cause we are bigger people. Any women in this height range that doesn't have the Elyse body type knows Robin is fibbing mightily! If you go to the Ford Models site, and take a look at the gorgeous plus size women in the plus division, you'll see that size 14 is the average size for these models. It makes Robin's claim look even sillier when you see these beautiful, still relatively sleek women displaying their true size. |
Cecjoc | Friday, July 04, 2003 - 10:43 am     P.S. After looking at the 12 PLUS division at Ford Models, take a look at the women in the regular women's division. There,the average dress size is 4-6. Poor Robin. So much for 'embracing every curve'. |
Jan | Friday, July 04, 2003 - 12:24 pm     cecjoc ...jeezz...a real live NY model..I just have to ask some questions, if you don't mind. is this series real to life or is it entirely created for TV. Is Tyra Banks rumoured to be as nice as I seem to think she is or as selfcentred and mean as one or two others seem to think she is? Aren't Robin and Shannon absolutely delusional to think they can get away with zero nudity or near nudity, even around the other girls? Wouldn't the be eaten alive at the first show? whom do you think will win...Adrianne or Elyse? |
Avrey258 | Friday, July 04, 2003 - 12:54 pm     Cecjoc, I have to say that I am one of those people that weigh more than I look like I weigh. Every time I go to the doctors the nurse always says, 145! I thought you were around 125-130. This has happened all my life. Why? Because I am busty. My bottom, hips, butt and stomach are a size 8/9, but because I am busty my top size is about a 14-16. My arms are average. I obviously do not buy dresses. Can't find any to fit. Bathing suits are a problem too. I had a friend when I was in the Navy who had a very large butt and believe me it can be deceiving. She weighed 160 lbs. but looked like she weighed about 135-140 at the most. My younger sister had breast reduction surgery about 15 yrs. ago. She was a DD and they brought her down to a C cup. They took out almost three pounds in each breast. The point I am making is that you can't always go by weight and height. When I got married I weighed 130 pds. I am five feet five inches. My wedding dress was made by a seamstress because of the big boob problem. At the time, I wore a size seven jeans and a 12 top. The only time this comes in handy is at the guess your weight booths at carnivals. Once a man guessed my weight at 126. I weighed 142. |
Cecjoc | Friday, July 04, 2003 - 04:31 pm     Jan- I worked very briefly in the late 80's, and have never met Tyra. My personal experience was unique to me, but I'll share some of the sad details. Firstly, I was told to lose 5 pounds right off the bat, and keeping myself under 130 was already very hard--600-800 calories a day, and 2 hour cardio/weight training 6 days a week. Also, I had just broken off a relationship when I started, and was a bit fragile. Because of my body type (kinda Cindy Crawfordish) they wanted a lot of sexuality/near nudity in my work, and I was prudish/insecure about that. Needless to say- I went back home after a while, because I didn't have what it takes. If you refuse near nudity, or pretty much anything they want you to do, they will find someone else. That, I found true to life. The sad thing is that NOW I would do it, but I'm too old and out of shape, and don't have that bod anymore. Robin and Shannon--I see them as very separate issues. What you've heard nutty Janice saying about Robin, is generally what everyone else is thinking but won't say. Robin is too old to start, for one thing, plus or not. Even more crucial, is the fact that her bottom and top are extremely disproportionate. Robin is a tall, attractive woman, who could potentially do some plus size modeling on the level of say, the Montgomery Ward flyer in the Sunday Paper. If you look at the plus size ladies at the Ford site, you will see that she is completely out of her league, and is nothing remotely close to a plus size top model. I believe Tyra feels strongly about the plus thing for personal reasons--she identifys with the bigger girls, and refuses to starve herself to get thinner. She has stated that she was always the biggest one at the Victoria's Secret shoot, and to my eye looks to be about a size 10-12. She is a big girl. Robin was the only PS model candidate they had, and I feel they kept her on as long as the did to ward off angry letters and press slamming the show for promoting skinny models. Robin also made for some great drama--and that might have kept her there too. Her attitude throughout the show was 'my way or the highway' and that combined with her personal views on sexuality-modeling is all about utilizing sexuality to sell products-made for a character that wouldn't have had a snowballs chance in the real world. Shannon has the look. I believe that, although it would never be done on a show or publicly, an agent might set her up with a cosmetic dentist to fix her teeth--she would be limited in her bookings without doing that. Also-backstage at a runway show is nudity central--ya just gotta let it go-or go home. It's up to her. It will be interesting to see what she will do--but yes, that is very realistic. Adrianne is a babe, and could definitely work. Her personality and driven need to succeed are endearing--she will work, I believe. She reminds me of Elizabeth Hurley. Elyse is the only one of the 10 that, to me, ever had the look to be a top model--skinny or not. She could weigh 125, and still be the best. She will be signed by one of the top agencies even if she doesn't win--if that is what she wants. Avery-lucky you! A lot of women carry it well, and look thinner than the scale says. Muscle weighs a lot too, so extra weight can just mean you're more fit. |
Scorpiomoon | Friday, July 04, 2003 - 05:32 pm     Cecjoc: Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I think you're so accurate about so many things. Your post begs the question, was Robin really the only PS model that was even remotely use-able for the show? If this is true, how sad! Why wouldn't more PS girls try out? Maybe after seeing this season, more will. And you're right, size or not, Robin is too old. And again, I suppose. keeping her around was probably only about getting good TV because her age is the primary reason keeping her from working in that level of the business. |
Jan | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 10:37 am     yes cecjoc, thanks very much for answering all of our questions. I am hopeful that, as Scorpio says, now that peole have seen the show and know Tyra isn't look for skinny minnies maybe more plus sizes will try out for the next show. Unfortuantely, Robin did not have the age or the personality to represent us well!! |
Sweetbabygirl | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 11:50 am     Cec, exactly what is the size requirement for plus-sized models? Not all of us are in the 12-16 range, what would about sizes 18 and up? |
Kappy | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 12:41 pm     Cecjoc ~ Thanks for sharing your personal experience! |
Cecjoc | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 05:17 pm     Thanks everyone- I read a quote from TV Guide (I Think) where Francesco Scavullo, the Grand Maestro of Fashion Photography, as well as other fashion notables were commenting on the girls. Essentially there was a consensus that Elyse was the only one with potential, and that overall, the pickings were not that great amoungst the ten. Sweetbabygirl- I worked only as a regular model, and don't know much about the plus size market. You should check out the FORD MODELS site, and click around on some of the NY 12 plus Division women to see the requirements. This is just a guess, but I have a feeling that beyond size 14 or so is out of fashion range, and more into commercial/catalog range. Scorpiomom and Jan- Robin simply is not model material, and never was. Age aside, the extreme disproportion in her figure immediately disqualifies her. When they mentioned 'special shoots' in Paris, well-thats about all she could do. I can't see this woman getting an agent as a model, much less being a top one. These are my opinions of course. I do think the shows success will pull in some more legitimate talent for the next round. It would have been nice to see Elyse have some real competition. I believe that the fashion Industry folks that have seen this show view it as a bit of a joke, and Tyra needs to find some real model material next time, or her credibility will be questioned. I think a lot of people see the show as being Tyra's love letter to herself and her best friend Kimora, rather than a model search. |
Cecjoc | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 05:54 pm     Here's the Article: TV Guide Article The Smart-Ass Elyse Sewell, 21 Hometown: Albuquerque, New Mexico Model Behavior: Stylish and smart--she's been accepted to medical school--gaunt catwalker Elyse stands out among her housemates, who make Carmen Electra sound like the president of Mensa. "She's an intelligent model," says series creater and supermodel Tyra Banks. "Her looks are edgy, but very commercial." Fashion don't: Jude Janice Dickinson, who started modeling in the 1970s, warns that Elyse's smarts may work against her. "She might try not being so opinionated by not showing her intelligence that much." And Banks questions her weight. "My eye was constantly on Elyse to make sure that skinniness was natural," Banks says. The Skinny: Longtime fashion stylist Sean Byrnes, who discovered Christie Brinkley and styled her first Cosmo cover in '77, digs Elyse's pixie pizzazz. "She has nice short hair, she's quirky," he says. "She could do Seventeen or Teen Vogue." And legendary fashion photographer Francesco Scavullo says, "She's the best of the bunch." The Bad Girl Adrianne Curry, 20 Hometown Joliet, Illinois Model Behavior: She's tough and didn't let a bout of food poisioning get her down. "Adrianne made points when she went directly from the emergency room to the evaluation," Dickinson says. And the bandanna-wearing brunette has a streetwise allure. "I like her homegirl attitude," Banks says. "She's not trying to be anything she's not. Fashion don't: Adrianne's nasal Midwestern drone makes Fran Drescher sound melodic. "A top model really does need to speak clearly and well," Banks notes. The skinny: Adrianne's "quirky, crazy voice" isn't the problem, says Byrnes, who dislikes her nose. "She's not a great beauty," he says. "I don't know what I would book her for." Still, Sephora national makeup artist Mally Roncal, who helps Angelina Jolie, Beyonce Knowles and Kelly Osborne look hot, applauds Adrianne's oddness. "In modeling, you need something that will make you stand out," she says. "I'd use her for a fashion shoot because she's edgy, fun and very intense." The Drama Queen Robin Manning, 27 Hometown: Memphis, Tennessee Model Behavior: A former beauty-pagent regular whose bodacious bod is perfect for the booming plus-sized clothing market, Robin is that rare model with meat on her. Fashion don't: Her ego is as big as her booty. "I don't approve of women being divas," Banks says, "especially if you haven't made it yet." What's more, when Robin began spouting religion she got in real trouble. "She's patronizing," Dickinson says. "I don't need to be reminded that she's a Christian. [And] I don't believe a top model can be a 27-year-old plus sized woman." Meow The skinny: Byrnes says Robin doesn't pass muster with him. "She's too big and not pretty enough to me," he says. "There are so many beautiful black women on the planet, and she's not one of them." But Roncal disagrees. "I would use her for a fashion commercial. She's pretty and can look friendly," she says. Still, Scavullo has the final word: "I didn't think much of [these women]. They didn't have the bodies or the looks of some of the young girls you can get today." |
Pirate | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:18 pm     So did the article leave out Shannon? I don't buy TV Guide. I think it's funny that in the preview for the show next week Tyra says it's going to be difficult to choose. In my opinion, Shannon should't even be considered. Since they were put through all the tests and shoots to see what each girl is made of, I think Elyse has the best chance of winning. |
Pamy | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 07:45 pm     Pirate, no it just had those 3. My guess is that TV Guide assumed they would be the final 3. That tvguide came out before the show aired that eliminated Robin. |
Scorpiomoon | Saturday, July 05, 2003 - 09:31 pm     "There are so many beautiful black women on the planet, and she's not one of them." LOL! Good one! Thanks for the article, Cecjoc! |
Jan | Monday, July 07, 2003 - 04:55 pm     ET just announced that Elyse will be on tomorrow night to "set the record straight" regarding her rumoured eating disorder. This might be a sign that she won..otherwise, why would she care? Also, I've noticed that she does NOT look like a skeleton with all her bones showing in the back like Calista did. |
Pirate | Monday, July 07, 2003 - 07:45 pm     Thanks Pamy for the info. Have you noticed that they always show Elyse eating something in several scenes of each episode since all the hoopla started about her having an eating disorder. Guess all will be revealed tomorrow night. I didn't know I would get this hooked on the show. I don't even keep up with fashion. (I'm the "not what to wear" poster child.) The only magazine I buy is House & Garden. I hope the future seasons can keep the interest this first season had. |
Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 01:32 am     I'm with you, Pirate. I did NOT expect to get so hooked on this show! I find myself anxious for season two in January. Tonight is going to be awesome Big Brother and the finale of this show. It doesn't get any better. |
Not1worry | Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 05:12 am     My TV guide shows that there will be 2 shows tonight. The first is a new show of highlights and catfights and of course I don't want to miss that! But it's at the same time as BB4...what to tape, what to tape. I think I'll tape BB4, I'm just not as excited about it. |
Jan | Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 08:10 am     well not only is Elyse on ET tonight, she is also the sole topic in this article at Zap it...think maybe the media has figured out who the winner is? whoops can't put the link in as it has a comma in it so here is the article (it's fairly long though): Top Model' Finalist Is Ready for Her Close-Up By Rick Porter LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - A reality show will rise or fall on two things: concept and casting. "America's Next Top Model," which wraps up its first season on UPN this week, had a proven concept to begin with -- it's an "American Idol"-style competition in which aspiring models compete for a contract, with one of the 10 finalists being sent home each week. The show scored with its casting as well, thanks in part to 20-year-old Elyse Sewell. A self-described "nerdy scholar" from Albuquerque, N.M., Sewell is one of three remaining finalists -- along with Chicagoan Adrianne Curry and Ohio native Shannon Stewart -- for the top prize of a management contract, a deal with Revlon and a guaranteed appearance in the pages of Marie Claire magazine. The finale airs at 9 p.m. ET Tuesday (July 8) on UPN, preceded by an hour of highlights from the series at 8 p.m. Although she now has a 33-percent chance of winning, Sewell was ready to pack it in during the early days of shooting the show. She attributes her early difficulties, including a bleep-filled tirade against several fellow contestants, to being "out of my element" in New York and in the finalists' cramped quarters. "I tried to go into it with an open mind, but I quickly grew really tired and impatient and frustrated and full of rage," she says. Of her now-infamous rant, Sewell says it was brought on by some things that didn't air, "but there's also no excuse for that tirade, except for me temporarily becoming a basket case. I sort of lost it." As the show played out, though, Sewell warmed to the competition and became one of the favorites. She has received mostly positive feedback from host/executive producer Tyra Banks and the other fashion-industry pros who judge the competition -- not bad for someone whose previous modeling experience consisted of a fashion show at a local mall. Sewell says she's learned a lot about being a model, although the job is not as tough as, say, research in biochemistry, which she did as a student at the University of New Mexico. (She graduated in three years with degrees in biology and Spanish.) "It's easier," she says. "Better clothes, more standing around, better food." That's not to say that standing on a New York rooftop in a swimsuit in January -- as the finalists did in an early photo shoot -- was all giggles. "You may have noticed in the show [that] the word 'extreme' precedes a lot of the tasks we do," Sewell says. "So I think the show was a little extreme. ... The photographer [at the rooftop shoot] said he'd never had a girl in a situation like that before." Nor was the very real rift between Sewell and Curry -- whom Sewell jokingly refers to as "the hell-bound" -- and several contestants with strict Christian beliefs, most notably Robin Manning, who was eliminated in last week's episode. The split came to a head in the last episode, in which Sewell first tried to strike a compromise between Manning and Stewart, who wanted to spend an off day shopping, and Curry, who wanted to see Jim Morrison's grave. "That for me was the turning point between trying to be diplomatic between the hell-bound and the Christians," Sewell says, "and just absolutely openly despising Robin for the rest of the time she was there. At that point I completely gave up on good relations between myself and Robin." Sewell worked as a teaching assistant after graduating, and she still plans to go to medical school. She won't reject what comes her way if she wins the "Top Model" crown, however; in fact, it could pay her med-school tuition. "If I were to win, I would milk it for all it's worth," she says. "It would be nice to get some money, be nice to do the work, it'd be great to do the travel. I'd love to win." |
Not1worry | Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 09:09 am     It does seem as though Elyse has it all sewed up. Makes me want Adrianne to win even more. But Elyse is good, so I won't be upset for her to win. I hate it when they start focusing on just one person before the end of the show. Thanks for posting the article, Jan. |
Fluff | Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 10:38 am     I can't wait til ANTM 2. I bet there's gonna be a ton of good looks and talent as well. |
Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 04:19 pm     Thanks for the article, Jan! Damn it! I always thought Adrienne deserved to win more because she wouldn't just "milk it" as Elyse would. But Elyse is pretty damn cool. |
Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 06:29 pm     Oh my gosh, oh my gosh...I never EVER would have thought Elyse would be eliminated. I am shocked. I swear, if Shannon wins, I am going to be so pissed. |
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