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Lovedana | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 11:39 am     Umm ... Giggle, it was more than a joke. He didn't just say it on the live show. He said it amidst Lisa's father and mother during his date with her family. And he was as serious as hell. He said it with such arrogance, yet nervousness in his voice. It seemed more to me as an attempt to strengthen Lisa's dad's comment/view re. Hank having a farm house and living such life. |
Kady | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 11:39 am     I agree a little with both sides of this situation. I wonder about the motives of a woman that would let America choose her husband and I wonder about the motives of a man that would go to a cattle call looking for a wife. I have never voted for anybody so I wondered at first why America(when I say America, I mean those that actual call in) was keeping Robert. I decided it was because Laura and Kimberly was so mean to him. Then bam L&K do a 180 and start being nice to him. Didn't work....America likes the drama. As I said I've never voted and can't complain about who gets through. If Hank wins, I'll probably go awwwww...how sweet. If Robert wins my evil twin will be laughing and say she gets what she deserves. Either way, I'm a winner. I watch television to be entertained and that is what this show has done. I've watched every week so I must like it.  |
Kellirippa | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 11:54 am     I think "America" continued (continues?) to vote for Robert because not only did they feel sorry for him (and his dates with Lisa are really funny), but I think people saw Laura and Kimberly's softening towards Robert as a thinly veiled attempt at reverse psychology with the voters. |
Ladytex | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:11 pm     Oh please, why must I be jealous and immature because I don't agree with you? This is a game show for all intents and purposes. Lisa has made a decision to prostitute herself for $1,000,000. Do I feel jealous of that? No. Does my vote change the world from sugar and spice to hell and brimstone? No. Am I condemning her to a life of misery because I choose to vote for Robert? I hope not, but if I am, that is really her problem, because once again, she has a choice. She can always JUST SAY NO !!! |
Gigglesalot | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:12 pm     Someone earlier had a transcript of Hank and Lisa's fishing date - where are the transcripts of the show at? Thanks in advance. |
Realfan | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:16 pm     <<Give me a break. Regardless of how you defend or justify it, there IS a mean streak in the hearts of those who get pleasure and enjoy seeing people NOT get what they want....But as a believer in the Jesus >> Didn't Jesus say something about not judging others? Because, as you say, no one knows what's in the hearts of your fellow posters, just as we don't know what's in the hearts of the people on TV. It goes both ways. If Lisa "gets what she wants," then I don't get what I want--entertainment. Unless she convinces me she really LOVES Hank, which is possible. But right now, I just don't buy it. <<I don't know Lisa or her friends at all and to think you know their hearts by what you see on "TV" is to not really understand how the "business" of television works.>> I understand enough. They've created this "drama" and these "characters" --I make judgments and have opinions based on what they're showing me, and how I personally react to it. That's my right. Sure, there's a "real" Laura and a "TV" Laura, but as I don't know the woman, I only have the TV version to react to. So that's what I react to. Not to react at all means not to enjoy watching TV at all, and where's the fun in that? Besides, if you really hate watching people with so-called "mean streaks," why did you start watching this show in the first place? Laura has one of the widest mean streaks I've ever seen on a TV reality show participant. The way she lambasted the men who were auditioning (who were also trying to "get what they wanted") was appalling. I felt so sorry for most of them. And Lisa calls this woman a friend? ETA: ITA with Ladytex. We're not CAUSING Lisa any misery at all, because she can say no and run off to Vegas with Hank, if she prefers. No one's forcing her to do anything. Also, I believe the 360-degree turnaround comment referred to the people on the show, not the posters (and it should be 180 or we're spinning in circles, which is quite possible. : ) ) |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:28 pm     I agree with Ladytex and Realfan. Great posts. Lisa is a character on a TV show. I have a hard time believing that a woman as beautiful and engaging as her has so many problems getting dates. She is in it just for the money and fame. As such, I think she deserves all the criticism she is getting. When you get paid to be on a TV show, you have to realize that you are opening yourself up to people who don't like you. |
Lovedana | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:42 pm     "I agree with Ladytex and Realfan. Great posts. Lisa is a character on a TV show. I have a hard time believing that a woman as beautiful and engaging as her has so many problems getting dates." Crazydog, to be fair: I have heard that argument often, but it couldn't be furthest from the truth. The truth is pretty women have no trouble finding men, but most of the men interested in them are losers. It's disheartening when you're beautiful/hot and people are after you just to score or something. Then you find the few serious ones, but most if not all don't fit. It's quite difficult for beautiful women too, you know. Having so many bad men and so few good men to find, it's hard not to go astray and make poor choices in life. The image you seem to have of beautiful women is quite a mistake. Just because someone has too many men interested in her doesn't mean she has it easy. If anything, it gets tougher because you have a bigger load and longer list to screen for the good ones, who are so few. Not too many women make wise decisions on their own. |
Sweetbabygirl | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 01:01 pm     As a beautiful/hot woman, I'll have to agree with Lovedana....it ain't easy being so sexy and irresistible!! (SBG looks around....collapses into laughing hysterics then scurries out of room, ducking all the flying objects being thrown at her) |
Alleyoops | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 01:23 pm     Sigh! Amazing the rationalizations ... and the missed point. This has turned in to a great thread and shows the variety of personalities on this board. First Real Fan I never even anything about Laura nor did I defend her berating comments. My ONLY point was the seemingly neverending judgement on Lisa and her desires for love. i simply felt the need to state another view. We all seek love in different ways: Bars; parties; introductions ; the chance meeting; church; clubs; work ... and the list goes on. In the age of reality TV and the fact that it has become as normal as I love Lucy reruns ... it's not suprising that someone who is interested in working in the entertainment industry (a model, wannabe actor, broadcaster, etc.) jump on the reality bandwagon. Throw in some money and the "chance" and finding love. If I was 30 and single count me in. If you're not shy and are confident in who you are ... their is no reason to hesitate to try this medium for love. Stranger things have happened. I know she has the power to say No. That was never the point. I dated a lot before I got married. The list of suitors was never short ... however, what a great way to meet soooo many handsome potential Mr Rights. The auditions alone were worth 100 nights out on the town. A Good man's smile, is worth a thousand winks from a bar hopper. |
Realfan | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 01:38 pm     But you didn't just state another view, Alleyoops. You gave your opinion on posters who don't share your opinion. You passed judgment on us, just as you say we're passing judgment on Lisa. But to have good, fun discussions, we can't get embroiled in flame wars on the boards. We have to respect each other as posters. We love opposing views here and interesting takes and outlooks. None of us like to feel we've been taken to task for feeling the way we do, however. We don't enjoy being told we have something wrong with us ("mean streaks" or lack of "character."). We're here to have fun, for goodness' sakes. I defend your right to think highly of Lisa, and I defend mine and others' rights to think little of her, based on what I've seen on my TV. May that right never change. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 01:53 pm     Amen, Realfan! |
Kmjm | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 02:54 pm     Giggles, I got the summary of Hank and Lisa's date off the CBS website. Go to cbs.com and follow the link. I still think those of you who went out and voted multiple times for Robert even though you know how little Lisa likes him are being mean. You KNOW she will turn him down and you just want to enjoy her discomfort and rob her of the chance to get the dowry or to "tell you how to vote". OK, if that's how you get your fun, to each their own- but if you like Robert at all, isn't that being mean to him as well? I don't think highly of Lisa at all, I can't imagine anything more dumb than going on a reality show to find a husband, but since I'm watching it, I don't think I can exactly take the moral highground here. Why not let her have the guy she wants and the shot at the money too? Wanna bet they don't make it to the year? |
Kellirippa | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 03:30 pm     BRAVO REALFAN!!! BRAVO! What an excellent post...it should be the creedo for the entire site! To me, there is a real difference between agreeing to be on a TV show to meet a prospective love interest, and agreeing to marry a man you barely know on the spot, broadcast to the world and splitting a million dollars with him.. Is a good man's smile worth your integrity or even a million bucks? jmho. |
Alleyoops | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 04:22 pm     Hooray hooray ... let all cheer for bashing people we don't know. Excellent idea ... keep up the good work. I just said it was sad ... and it IS mean ... No matter how you slice it. Sorry if I offended ... I will exit quietly. I have said what I felt and have no regrets. I will ALWAYS believe it is better to look for the good rather than the bad in others. All I did was hold up a mirror and yes that can hurt. My apologies ... but such is life. Interpret as you will ... I know in my heart what my intent was and it had nothing to do with bashing posters. The definition of Integrity is: Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code. We all know how subjective moral and ethics are. I guess we are all following our own drummer. So, beat on. |
Ladytex | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 04:57 pm     LOL, so now those of us that don't like the fact that Lisa is selling herself are immoral and unethical ... and by the way, you are bashing people that you don't know, too, Alley, your fellow posters |
Alleyoops | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 05:27 pm     Jeez... Ladytex. Please re read and tell me where I state you are immoral or unethical. I said Moral and ethics are "subjective" ... Period. btw there are a few other "posters" who agree with me ... as there are many who agree with you. I have already agreed to disagree. |
Spot | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 05:43 pm     Oh, dear! My dear fellow posters - I think we all need a vacation from our "planets" - Come fly away with me to planet "NoRealityShowHere,Dude" for a vacation from all this strife. There are no TVs, no contestants, no financial rewards for the most coniving. Just happy, happy former Reality TV viewers. Come on!! Hop aboard my little rocket (oddly looks similar to a yellow submarine...hmmm) and fly away. Ooops. The flight has been temporarily delayed until after tonights episode of Big Brother. See you on the flip side.... |
Hoosiergirl | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 09:23 pm     Wondered if anyone else heard what Bryan (and I swear he's getting lamer than even Ryan Seacrest these days!) said at the very end of the show: IF America picks CORRECTLY, there will be a wedding, blah, blah, blah. Funny. I didn't realize that we could choose "incorrectly." So my thought is Robert wins the vote, Lisa rejects his proposal and runs away with Hank and no $1,000,000. A few other thoughts: Alleyoops: Being so closely involved with the television industry, would you not agree that there are some reality shows that are just designed to humilate the participants and hold them up for public riducule. (Can you say Fear Factor) Lisa made the decision to let America choose her soulmate. She gets what she gets. All the way around. She can't say that she didn't know the risks (can you say Married by America). And speaking of Lisa: 1. I thought it completely rude of her to cut Robert's date off and leave him standing there with the champagne and dessert. Even if she wasn't having a good time, she owed him just as much time as the others got. Even if it was spent in silence and staring at the wall. 2. I hope she saw the look on Evan's face after her fawning/drooling over Hank. He looked geniunely crushed. (btw Laura: if it was all about how much money a guy makes, why the hell did you pick Renda, Dominic and Evan at all, and bypass the ones with "professsional jobs?") I can't hear another word from Lisa about how sacred and important marriage is to her. If it were REALLY that sacred to her, she wouldn't be letting a bunch of crazy sadistic reality fans choose her life long mate. Oh, and one last thing. If Hank isn't America's pick......I don't wanna hear about it from any of them. Seriously. I'll turn the tv off, I swear. Okay....not really. But I still don't want to hear it. |
Aus10 | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 09:31 pm     I won't get into the discussion about Lisa, because I personally find the idea of selling yourself for a million repulsive......But, have we really considered what kind of guy, in his right mind anyway, trys out for this kind of show? I know...I know ladies, your thinking that a hard man is good to find (or is that a good man is hard to find)...either way, if all these guys are that great...why are they here? On this show? If they were really great catches wouldn't they have already been caught? True Love has nothing to do with this show....it's all about the money. What I want to know is how we going to know if this marriage is ever consumated? Robert and Lisa could get married, live together for one year, split the mill and have the marriage annulled legally.....just how dumb do these producers think we are? My vote...Robert....at least make her earn some of this cash........ |
Kellirippa | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 10:53 pm     Well, since Lisa and Robert both stated publicly on last nights episode that they are both TomBoys, it's quite possible that unless they are married in Canada, it may not be legal........ |
Luvtrash | Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 11:58 pm     If you have been watching Reality of Reality, they showed the language in the contract that specifically agree to being shown in a degrading, demeaning, humiliating way. Don't remember the exact language, but the wording was very specific. They may all think they are too wonderful for it to apply to them, but they all sign it! So I can't feel sorry for any of them. ANd I am sure the producers are thrilled with the evil-minded who vote for the "wrong" ones--probably counted on it, prayed for it, giggle over it, and expedite it! And I must admit a guilty pleasure in seeing it happen--although I myself am too pure of heart to participate.  |
Realfan | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:36 am     LOL, Kelli!! I found his tomboy remark endearing, actually. Why didn't Lisa explain it to him? She just sits there. I, too, wonder about the one-year thing. People can be married yet live apart, after all. Are they going to have to live together? Share a bedroom? (Lisa or Robert would no doubt sleep on the couch--well, Robert wouldn't want to, but Lisa would probably post a guard!). These shows never address the vitally important questions! (Amazing that someone can post in the same post that they aren't bashing fellow posters, yet say they were holding up a mirror and "that can hurt." Um, that's a bash.) Yeah, I have only voted a couple times myself. Does that mean I'm only partly evil? Maybe I have a thinner mean streak? Or maybe my stupid portable phone's redial button doesn't work!! For this last show, I accidentally voted for Hank, so I corrected with one call for Robert to balance the scales, but then forgot the number. Bah! Actually, it might be fun if she does marry Hank. We can see in a year if they stuck it out, and if they're still in LUUURVE. But considering the success rate of reality TV show marriages, I'm not hopeful. How many have resulted in lasting unions? Let's seee..... According to my calculations, NONE. And there have been a lot of attempts: Four Bachelor shows (1? supposedly we'll get the first real marriage out of one, which is cool--I was rooting for Trista) Married by America (0) Who Wants to Marry a Multimillionaire (1, then -1) Who Wants to Marry My Dad (0) For Love or Money 1 & 2 (0) Joe Millionaire (0) Mr. Personality (0--I think. Unless they stayed together and I haven't heard) What am I missing? I'm looking forward to Bob as the Bachelor. I still like the Bachelor shows the best for their lack of monetary award and show of romance (the relationships are more varied and seem more real than FLOMs ever did). |
Skypilot | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:49 am     Havent' posted here in a while but after scanning over some of the post I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who is apprehensive about Hank. I've watched this show only about four times so I haven't followed the action very closely but I picked up on a sinister vibe from Hank almost immediately. I DON'T LIKE HIM. He seems like someone that will come completely unraveled if things don't go completely his way. I can see him popping up on DATELINE,20/20, or AMERICA'S MOST WANTED as the "seemingingly perfect family" man who one day just snapped. It really sent a chill up my spine to hear Lisa say "I chose you." Even juxtaposed with Robert, Hank comes off more disturbing in my opinion. Robert is kind of lovestruck and pathetic but I pick up a faint ticking sound coming from Hank. |
Sweetbabygirl | Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:14 am     Sky, you hit it on the head! Everytime Hank smiles, I think of Terry O'Quinn in The Stepfather....but hey, this is who she wants, she'll discover his other sides soon enough. |
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