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Iscreamer1

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree with everything everyone has said. I haven't been a Charla and Dave fan all season. Honestly I thought they were playing just a little too hard but what I realize is that the others weren't really playing at all and thought it was just a free vacation. I loved it when Charla said "I'm here for a reason" That's right! I have gained a great deal of respect for both of them (as well as Keith) over these past 2 shows and now I really am rooting for them to win.

Does anyone think Amy will threaten to walk out again when Zack leaves? Uhhgg, I really wish she would!

My picks to stay are Matt and Kavita

Laura11103

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm so glad that Keith didn't leave, after Zack verbally attacked him and insulted him (while Toni, Amy and others laughed (god I hate them)), I really thought Keith was done. Zack's insults and threats should've easily gotten him thrown off and I was disappointed that it only made him ineligible for re-entry into paradise (if this is paradise I'd hate to see hell).

Funny how whenever someone's been evicted, Amanda (the host) always says they must leave paradise FOREVER (always stressing on forever), what happened to forever?

It's obvious to me that it was never the plan to bring everyone back. They've masterminded this abuse and boy it's sure making for good tv, but at what price?

Dave is my hero and I can't wait to send him an email to tell him so, he cares about people and I was touched by his talk with Holly.

Zami

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Quick Question folks:

Is it still going to be the evicted guests that get to decide who wins? Or will it be these two folks who check back in? I'm still thinking we are done for if we still have Toni, Kristin, Alex, Zack et. al. getting the final say.

Tashakinz

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also had to crack up last night at Zack's comment to Amy about how much his mom loved her...I immediately thought of his "I got dumped in a grocery store" story. He looked like he so wanted to go off on host Amanda when she informed him that his mouth had talked him out of a return ticket.

My picks for Monday are Matt & Kavita.

Realfan

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Host Amanda stopped saying "forever" about the time Zack left--which made many fans fear that he would be back. The producers are flying by the seat of their pants.

If you want to e-mail Dave, here's a URL for his company: http://www.davekerpen.com/pages/1/index.htm

I was so impressed by him, I had a dream about him standing up for ME.

He's so mature compared to these idjits. He sure took the wind out of Toni's sails! I notice a new confidence in him, too. I think it's because he's remembering that HE'S still there while his tormentors were kicked off. Wasn't Andon a super idjit with his plea to Dave to sit down and talk? He only made things worse! He blamed DAVE for misunderstanding. And he was so transparent!

I admit I was so anxious during the first half-hour, I was thinking of downing antacids. I don't want to watch Charla in her room anymore--unless it involves strategy talks. It depresses me so, because I so identify with her. Good on her with her "They don't deserve a second of my time." The Originals were making out she should come out and face the music. Why? Since when did they become the arbiters of proper behavior?

Kirsten is a lost cause. So is that SNAKE Desiree. Hate her. Hate them all.

ITA Zack should have been escorted off by security guards, not just made ineligible to come back. THAT would have been some great TV. And would they have even punished him if Keith hadn't put his foot down? Idjit producers.

This show is awful, but it preys on my mind and I can't help but dwell on it.

As for Monday and the vote, it would be good if Dave cut a deal with Holly, saying something like, "Scott wants us to vote Melanie back in, but if you agree to vote in Matt along with Charla and Tara, then Keith and I will vote in Amanda (or Kavita) instead."

I wish the Matt/Kavita/Amanda contingent would tell Charla & co. just how much they're loved and Amy/Zack et al are hated. Of course, the hate really is peaking now, but when this was filmed it was more 50-50. (two weeks ago.) Now, on every board I visit, the Originals are universally reviled. (Well, except for the 5% Jerry Springer/middle school girl contingent who still thinks Zack and Amy are the luuuv story of the century.)

Wiseguysmom

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
On Wednesday the 3rd. Dave was featured in the Boston Herald's entertainment section on page 26.
Here is some of the article:
"The city's latest reality TV darling, who was chilling out at The Rack over the weekend said the show wrapped about a week ago but there are still 8 episodes in the can. Naturally, Kerpen's contract prohibits him from discussing the outcome, which will be revealed on October 1st~
(this is what he said about the Hg's coming back)
"It was horrible to live through," he said, "They were very bitter and resentful towards everyone who sent them home."
Kerpen reveals he is still in touch with all the other hgs except one,” and although he knows what “ultimate prize” the winner took home, he ain’t dishing. But for what it’s worth, Kerpen says his days of selling Guinness at the Gillette Stadium are over.
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After reading this and watching the show Monday and last night, I realized that there should be some very embarrassed people this morning. I would think now that the show is over, each hg is reading the internet reports after each show.
Now that will be a reality check for some hotel guests!

And my questions are:
1. Why isn’t Beau angry that Kristen and Alex gave Dave money to take him out?
2. Why isn’t Kristen angry that Alex spent the night with two girls after she left and had the nerve to say “Kristen Who?
3. Why didn’t anyone have the never to ask Zack if he did kiss anyone else in PH besides Amy (I would have paid to see that interaction).
4. Why isn’t Melanie & Andon angry? Weren’t they thrown off by the originals?
5. Did Charla put a gun to Desiree’s head to make her vote out Alex? She looked like she was in pain during Pandora’s Box. (Watch out Amy I think there is a new drama queen in training)
6. Won’t it be funny when Scott leaves because Holly doesn’t pick him as a roommate?

Tagurit

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wiseguysmom - I have the same questions as you. Some people are just amazing that they can see "faults" in others (who are better people than them) but not themselves.

I too was wondering - ok, hoping against hope, that Amy would leave when Zack does. But then again, she has to have "revenge" for those that booted him off. Such a witch. They really do belong together. Who else would want either of them?!

I wonder if in some crazy way the producers were wanting Keith/Tara/Charla/Dave's alliance to implode. They knew they would get dumped on by all. If that is what they wanted, they did the exact opposite. They brought these 4 even closer together. These 4 have class. They should be commended for not stooping to the low level as most of the originals.

I am wondering who will get picked to stay. I know they will pick who will work with them but if they pick who has been playing the game since they returned it would be - Melanie, Kavita and Matt. Those 3 never started anything with anyone and are calm, cool and collected. They knew how they should act in order to stay. Smart on their parts. Some could say Amanda too but she was friends with Charla even before she left and I didn't doubt she would still be by her side and sticking up for them.

Gina8642

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I watched last night. First one I've picked up in a month. Funniest line all night was Dave's about wanting to change countries if all of America loved Toni. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Don't worry Dave, you don't need to change anything.

Laura11103

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the url Realfan, I'm gonna write him with my support.

I didn't notice that they stopped saying FOREVER, but I do wish someone would ask about that, Amanda seemed to make such a spectacle with the word forever, to me forever means forever.

Tashakinz

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else pick up on Charla's Wizard of Oz analogy...Dave as the Scarecrow etc...? I cracked up.

Wiseguysmom

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yikes Charla. I have to say that now I am not sure if I want to see Charla win with Dave. I hope he realizes that she said he is the Scarecrow (no brains), Keith is the Tin Man (no heart) and Tara is the Lion (no courage)! Not a good way to see your team mates, especially after they made sure that she was protected during the mandatory meeting. I was also not happy when Dave came to check on her and she told Amanda that HE was high maintenance!

Maybe today looking back she realizes that Dave is one-in-a-million. I guess we'll have to watch for the next 4 weeks and see if she rewards Dave's undying loyalty or she blows it by treating him poorly!

Curiouscat

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
With only four guys voting back a girl there could be a 2-2 tie. The best case scenerio is Dave and Keith vote for the same girl, and Scott and Tom vote differently than each other. I hope Kavita gets it because she didn't get a chance in the game before. Amanda already had hers. If Dave tells Keith about Scott ignoring Holly because of Melanie, they might think it's a good play to vote in Melanie to mess up Scott's game.

With the girls, Tara and Charla have to vote the same because more than likely Amy and Desiree will too. Holly is a wildcard. I think Tara and Charla will vote Matt. It doesn't matter who Amy and Desiree vote for as long as Holly doesn't pick the same person. Matt is a player and he may sweet talk Holly, and she may be looking for another partner.

There will be five couples plus Amy after the voting, so do you think the voting out process will be a couple and not an individual from now on?

Monday cannot come soon enough!!!

Realfan

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wiseguysmom, the Wizard of Oz analogy was spot on. While the Scarecrow supposedly had no brains, remember that the wizard DIDN'T supply him with any in actuality. He was smart all along--the brains behind the operation--just like Dave is. And the Tin Man was big-hearted all along, and the lion had courage deep inside. That was the moral of the story, that the characters already had what they needed to succeed--by sticking together against all odds (and flying monkeys like Zack and Amy!).

I also got her high-maintenance comment. While she is, too, she said it when he came in and got all pissy about her leaving affecting him. He basically walked out on her. Sending the message that he needed her to come soothe his ruffled feathers. They both do it.

Just4fun

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tashakinz & Wiseguysmom,


I did pick up on Charla's Wizard of Oz analogy.... Dave being the Scarecrow, Tara the Lion and Keith the Tin Man. I took it that she meant that they were like each of those characters once they found the courage, brains and the heart. In no way did I think she was being hurtful or mean to any of them. That's just my take on the whole situation!

Surealityjunkie

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And here I thought she was "deliriously" talking since she said she was mentally spent! I didn't realize there was deeper meaning going... but then again, I haven't seen the movie enough to have picked up on that...

Deesandy

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you RealFan for the Dave link! I love him even more now!

Realitynut

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 04:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thank you too, RealFan - I went to his site and sent him an email. I know he probably has a ton of them, but I feel better knowing I did it. I still can't get over the absolute meanness of those people. I've been thinking about it all day.

Nanalinda

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I sent an email to FOX to protest the airing of the outrageous behavior of the former guests. I think in the era of Columbine & 9-11, showing bullies & the "gang up on the weaker" behavior is not being responsible. If everyone who has posted on this board who feels the same way would contact FOX maybe they would get the message.

Realityfan

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am sooooo glad to find others that feel the way I do after watching PH. I really do feel for Dave, Keith, Charla and Tara. The originals have really lost sight of the game. It is really scary what a group of negative people can accomplish.

Realitynut

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nanalinda - what address did you send it to? I will definitely send them an email. This has bothered me so badly. I feel like I witnessed a mob gone mad or something. Someone could definitely get hurt physically, not to mention emotionally.

Mizinvanccouver

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok...just a few comments about last nights episode....I really enjoyed reading everyones comments on here.

Amy--I'm so glad Zack is ineligible to be voted back in and as someone else mentioned I feel he should have been evicted right then and there. The reason I titled this paragraph "Amy" is because it was HER glaring at Keith for the longest time which provoked him to ask her," What are you staring at??" I was so glad it back fired on her mostly, I mean I really doubt the guys would have voted Zack back in anyway. lol

Charla--Her comment about Toni I felt wasn't appropriate. I am 30 and single, no children, never married and I don't feel that being married and having kids is what everyone needs to do.
However, I do find Toni's actions unacceptable and immature. She reminds of a wrestler, especially when she first came back into the hotel last night rah rahing.

Who I would really like to come back in is Kavita and Matt but I don't know if that will happen. Just hoping....

Mizinvanccouver

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
P.S. Oh ya and DAve should have punched Alex's lights out the SECOND time he touched his ears after he said,"Don't touch me."

Realityfan

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would like to email FOX also, the originals do not belong on TV anymore. I really wonder where they came up with that everyone liked them and did not like D,K,C, & T. I havent found where anyone is taking the originals side on anything. Has anyone found where they could of got that?

Dee

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting interpretations of Charla's dream. I took it to mean she was afraid the other 3 were too weak to defend/help her.

Mizinvanccouver

Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 06:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
P.P.S. I can't believe Andon had the NERVE to say that Dave had 'misinterpreted' what he said!!! What could he have POSSIBLY misinterpreted??? He was totally attacking Dave.