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Fluff

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL!

PS - They are having a casting call or whatever you call it for another Next Top Model, according to their website! Would any ladies or gentleman from this board think of trying out? Certainly not I.

Not1worry

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know this is hypocritical of me, but I just didn't like it that it was Robin who paid the guy to show her around Paris. First she snottily wanted to take a taxi (a reasonable wish, just the way she put it). Then she decides that she's going to practically drag this guy into helping her. Her demonstration of putting on charm gave me the willies.

If Adrienne or Kesse had done this, I would have been cheering, I know that doesn't really make sense. Nonetheless, Tyra was a little ridiculous about it. Yes, she probably had 25 go-sees. But did she do it alone? Did she have only a 10 minute intro to Paris and the metro? Did she have more than 3 hours to prepare for going to Paris and maybe learn a few words? Give us a break, Tyra. I don't like it when she whines about how tough she had it.

Shannon is so cheerfully naive, I just can't dislike her for it. How old is she? I need to go look it up. Robin is too old to act like she does. Morals are good, ethics are good, standards are good. But think about the industry and what kind of show you are going on. It seems like they are really setting her up for a meltdown next week.

Fluff

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They all can be annoying, except Kesse, that's why it hurt seeing her go.

Laura11103

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I loved the episode when they were doing that booty dance and Kesse won, lmao... she surprised everyone!

Faerygdds

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK.. on the Metro... When I went to Paris (and yes, we are talking in the mid 80's) I had to figure out the Metro by myself when I got seperated from my Aunt and Uncle who were responsible for me. (We were at the Sacre de Coure - translated Sacred Heart Church)I was 13 years old and I could manange to look at an address, find it on the map and get on the right metro to get back to the hotel. In other words... if the situation is desperate enough (ergo if you want it bad enough) you'll figure it out REAL quick. I think THAT was the point of the exercise. I could see her(Tyra) getting to 25 go sees in a day -- after all... she really wanted it!

On Robin's "help" what she did was just plain STUPID! Case in point... Adrianne was just walking down the street and some pervert tried to shove his hand up her dress! Robin could have easily ended up raped or DEAD if it had not been for that camera person with her. That's why Tyra threw a fit. She (Robin) knew that they were in a "safe" situation with a camera crew right there, so she took a chance that she should not EVER take without one. Say what you want about Tyra, but if it keeps Robin from doing it again -- so be it!

Also... have you all ever been in a taxi in Paris??? No??? I'll take the Metro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those taxi drivers are complete.... ummm.... well.. they drive very fast. There are no lines to seperates lanes in Paris and therefore, there are none. I was in a taxi twice... one from the train to the hotel and one from the hotel back to the train. That was enough thanks -- more terrifying than being lost in a city across the ocean from my home at 13!

Oh... and watch... Robin's motives for not wanting to pose sans clothing will be questioned next week. I was taking a bath this morning and talking to my hubby about the show (he knows I love it). I told him about next week and asked my why I thought she didn't want to do it. I then realized that there are 2 possible motivations for her being SO adamant about it. 1) Religion/modesty - she thinks it's "wrong" and refuses, and/or 2) she wants the ability to go back to pagents after all this is over if she fails - nude photos means no big crowns! While I honestly in my heart of hearts believe that it'll be #1 as the reason she refuses... watch... the judges won't be able to help but considering the possibility that it may be #2... and you know how they hate the pagent thing. Even if Robin makes it to the final 3 -- she can't win if she opts out. She just can't...

Kappy

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw a show on a cable channel where they followed 3 people, new to modeling, around NYC and showed who made it and who didn't. They were sent out by their agents on go-sees for the upcoming fashion week. It was surpising to see how many places they had to go in one day and even more surprising to see how the various designer's reps viewed the girls. In reality, if a wannabe model goes to NYC hoping to make it, they would be living in very unappealing situations and the agencies would not be holding their hands. It appeared to be a very dog-eat-dog world and a model either makes it on her own by going to as many go-sees as possible, etc., or she doesnt' make it. Everyone's attitude was that models are a dime a dozen and if you don't want to be bothered with what it is you have to do to make it, they have plenty more waiting in line. So I think this was a very realistic situation that Tyra put them in and I could understand her reaction to some of them not making all the go-sees.

Great episode ~ I think even the judges (except for Janice) are having a hard time eliminating the girls at this point simply because the longer they are all together, the more personal it becomes and they know them beter as human beings now. I'm not sure I heard correctly but it sounded like the judge from Marie Claire said he had a personal investment in Kesse. I hope so and hope that he can still help her in some way.

While Janice is harsh and brash, I think she's probably very typical of the people doing the picking in the fashion world. In that sense, I think they have to give the girls a small dose of reality. Let's face it, they have been very well taken of and protected from the real world of trying to make it in modeling.

Nudity and the photo link above ~ thank you for providing it, Scorpio. It reminds me of the famous campaign "I'd rather wear nothing at all then to wear fur" which featured all top models posing descreetly nude. Fur and nudity ~ two MORE reasons I don't see Robin going anywhere in fashion.

Elyce ~ From the start, she has appeared as exactly what the fashion world wants. She has a beautiful face for cosmetic ads. I too thought her photo from the latest shoot was horrendous (body wise) but noticed her face still stood out as beautiful. So she could definitely do cosmetic ads. As for her body, it is the perfect 'stick' figure that they love so much (and the average woman detests) on the catwalk, so she has it made there as well. Plus, she obviously has more experince in knowing how to speak to people for the first time. And let's face it, being a kind and good person, like Adrianne, Shannon and Kesse, is not what the fashion world cares about. They care only about wether a face or a body can sell their product. Isn't that why models are considered nothing more then manequins? And in that world, Elyce is perfect.

Shannon is a sweet girl but so wrong for the fashion world. Her values are something we can all respect out 'here' but have no value in that world. I can see her doing some teen ads but nothing with her body or beyond that. can see Shannon doing cosmetics or facial shots

And Ms. devine Robin - I liked the idea of a plus size model at first but frankly, she is not the one I'd like to see make it as such. I don't agree with her perception that one must announce that they are a Christian constantly and expect everyone else to adjust to that. If you're living your life right and treating people right, it should be obvious to others that you have a faith you follow without having to announce what it is. To me, she uses religion as a convenient excuse for the right moments. And she has to announce that she's a Christian because it doesn't come across in her actions. (IMO)

Poor Adrianne ~ this definitely was not her area this time. I hope she can recover emotionally and learn from it and not end up being eliminated before Robin simply because of fatique and even perhaps because of wanting it too much. Elyce could really help her out here but doubt she will simply because she doesn't like to lose. She won't do anything to anyone behind their back but she won't really give them the support or help they need either. Or at least, I'm predicting she won't in this particular contest.

I actually cried at seeing kesse go because I do like her so much. And if Adrianne gets eliminated next week, I know that I will have the same reaction. After that, I will continue watching but won't really care about who wins because I've assumed from the beginning that the natural 'stick' mannequin would take it all. I'll be a shock to me if anyone else wins.

Sunshinemiss

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Adrienne's voice problem should not be too big of an issue. Kathy Ireland did very well as a model, and it was not until she attempted to make the jump to acting did we hear her outlandish baby voice (what was that first movie she made? It drew laughs unintentionally).. anyway my point being she took voice lessons and now sounds fine, albeit high-pitched. Voice is NOT required to look good, and is easily fixable.

Janice Dickerson looks and sounds cheap, and I don't think should be judging ANYBODY. Does anyone else remember what a witch she was in the mid-80's, insisting loudly and in public that her child was Sylvester Stallone's (who she had been dating) even after a DNA test proved it wasn't? (And Sly, acting the better man, actually put a college fund together for the child). I have had no respect for her since then.

I found a link to this old scandal from Time mag. in 1984 if anyone is interested.

http://www.cs.wayne.edu/pub/iwanska/unodata/time94-08.txt

Not1worry

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh good grief! Even as DNA tests prove it's not Stallone's she says she "knows in her heart" it's his??? This woman is so deranged. But wait...think how boring the judges would be without her!

Scorpiomoon

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 04:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Faerygdds: Re: Robin and her excuses for not wanting to pose nude: I would also add she obviously has body image issues and is probably freaked at the idea of revealing her body. Remember the shoot they did for Stuff and how Tyra told her to take the wrap off--the thing Robin had around her waist. She will swear up and down it's about religion, but I think there is way more to it than that.

Also, maybe I missed something from previous episodes, but did you guys know Robin had a boyfriend before they showed her talking to him prior to them leaving for Paris? Man, that is one guy I pity.

Good gravy! Don't even get me started about freakin' Janice. What has she done in the last 30 years she can be proud of (career-wise that is)? I suppose the fact that she didn't OD during her drug binging years is an accomplishment.

One thing about go-sees: I've seen shows that follow models to go-sees as well. I remember seeing how a model would show up at one and there would be many other models waiting there as well. These girls had it easy.

Can I just say I am loving this thread and enjoying everyone's posts? I am!

Not1worry

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I kind of wanted to see Adrienne tell them that she was accosted on the street and that was one reason she missed a go-see. I think she was trying to take responsbility and not offer excuses. But that was a legitimate one.

I still cannot understand how Kessee got cut over Robin. I'm thinking conspiracy....

Beachcomber88

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not1, like I said above, it's the whole Clay/Ruben finale all over again, only now it's the rail thin Elyse vs. the big boned Robyn. Let's hope that this show also doesn't have a conspiracy and that we don't see Robyn lumbering away with the title.

I'm pulling for Adrienne. Shannon's naivety is refreshing, but kind of irksome. And Elyse's I'm-so-good routine is also bothersome. Nothing more needs to be said about Robyn.

Not1worry

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Lumbering away...ROFL! I love this thread.

Avrey258

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG! I am going to sound like a catty-shrew=b!tch but Janice really needs to tone down the Elvira look.
I am fortyish myself, ie. no spring chicken and I am surprised that as a former model Janice doesn't see the need to "lighten" herself up a bit.

Black hair is the kiss of death for an older woman. Lily Munsterish. She needs a warm brown with a few golden hilights around her face. Note to Janice, lose the black eye-liner woman. Less really is more!

Not1worry

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey, if you can't be catty in this thread, where else???

Pamy

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone notice that Robin's bags were LouieV?? Those bags are sooo expensive, she must come from money. I think that is another reason she went for help offering money right away. She is used to paying people to help her.

Pirate

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am so hoping either Robyn or Shannon goes next week. Robyn's holier-than-thou routine is getting very old. And Shannon saying "I'm a virgin" every other sentence (seems like it anyway) is grating on my last nerve. WHO CARES?? She is also very loud and doesn't seem to have toned down that smile like Tyra told her to work on doing.

I am pulling for Elyse. I know she has thought she is better than the rest of them. (She is more educated.) But this show seemed to move away from that. I think she could start a modeling career if she really wants to even if she doesn't win this.

I wouldn't be unhappy if Adrianne won though. I like her, but she really needs to work on her speech as she was instructed to do.

I was sorry to see Kesse go, but she made a real fatal boo boo. She didn't care that she missed one of the go sees. I couldn't believe my ears that she was so unconcerned. Besides, every one keeps saying how much she looked like Tyra. Could she have won it anyway without a controversy?

I hope next week is going to be as good as the preview leads us to believe.

Jan

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tyra is on REGIS right this second . CNN also did a bit on this "hit show" this AM. So I guess it is catching on.

Apparently UPN is playing lots of reruns already to catch people up.

Not1worry

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What is she saying about the show, Jan?? Anything good about the girls?

I feel like they've already picked Elyse as the winner. Even when her pictures aren't so great, they gush over them. Makes me root for Adrienne even more.

Jan

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tyra talking about how she became a model. Was 99 pounds in high school..so skinny that she was trying to gain weight..using shakes etc. She followed a friend to Paris and made it there through sheer hard work. She would make 30 calls a day.

Today she weighs 140 pounds (and looks great)

Jan

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
she will still be on after the commercail and is picking 5 people from the audience to try and show them how to be a model. She hasn't really talked about the show yet

Jan

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"how do you choose the women for the show" Why do they have to be so tall.

Tyra said that is the modelling world ..5'9 or 5'10 is the norm. But there is a petite world of modelling

how did she start the show? Talking about making Tang and popcorn at home, looking out her window and it just came to her. So she and Ken Moss took it out there and sold it.

You can go to UPN.com right now and apply for the next one.

Are now showing the clip of Tyra defending Robin's weight.

(personally I think this is why Robin isn't gone yet. Tyra uses her to sell the show to not so skinny women as Trya really does feel VERY strongly on this issue of weight and teenagers)

Judges are people she knows and likes including Janice...but Tyra is disgusted with her comments on weight.

that's it re the show. Now they are going to the audience and another commercial break

Not1worry

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm surprised and delighted to know that Tyra is 140 lbs. She looks awesome and healthy and proves you don't have to be a toothpick.

Jan

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yes and regis and kelly told her she had the best body in the business, they thought.

actually I was surprsied to read in the bio's of the group, that only Elyse is less than 120 and only Elyse and Adrianne are under 130. Everyone else of the whole 10 weighs in the 135 range or higher. Robin is 160.

Not1worry

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've never heard of Kimmora Lee and I'm trying to find some pictures of her from modeling. I can't seem to find anything but press releases when I search. Help, anyone?

Jan

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
is she the one who owns her own clothing line..Phat something or other????