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Surealityjunkie

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 06:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys KNOW I have something to say about all of this, but alas, I have to step out into the Real World for a bit. I will be back later on because so many people have had some good stuff to say since I left last night! Darn it, I this place! We have such wonderful discussion!!!

(Okay, I am done sucking up now.... slinking away and logging off...)

Weenerlobo

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm glad Toni is gone - what an actress and a poor one at that.

Amy has turned into quite a little turd, hasn't she? I used to think that she was really cute.

I find myself rooting for the "outsiders" and hope that Dave, Charla, Keith and Tara bring Holly into their fold and systematically chop the "in crowd" right off the island.

Realitynut

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ding Dong the witch is gone. What a great show. I am so happy to see the tide turning from the originals to the newbies. I like seeing a turnover every week. Now if they can just get rid of Amy who decided to emulate Toni like it was a good thing. I hope the new twist isn't Zack. His ego and verbal abuse was enough for me the first time. Can't wait till next Monday!

Theowl

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you Surealityjunkie!! I have DirecTV dish, and we had a storm and I missed 20 minutes. You kept me up on what was happening, and I thank you!!

Also, the reason Toni left is because Temptation Island III starts in a couple of weeks, and she had to prepare for that one. JMO!!

Reader234

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLOL!! Good ones, I just wanted to add...

A couple of people posted they were upset that Tara picked Dave, I thought that was part of the plan from Charla and Tara - am I crazy or wasnt there a clip about that? I'm either really good at making up dialogue/alliance stuff or hallucinating!!

And dont you think part of the reason Charla was crying was FEAR!! I mean come on she saw what happened to Keith, how he was treated by the originals for booting one of "their own" off, I'm sure she felt she couldnt handle that meanness... It will be interesting to see how Scott and Charla interact, will he try and break into the 'new' alliance? Or will Beau? And where is Holly coming from? Was it all planned (darn I wish we had live feed posters!!) lol

Squaredsc

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 09:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
iceprincess, i have no idea how this show works but the folk here assure me that someone wins in the end.

sureal thx soo much for your recaps. dave's comment in the end was hizzelarious. toni is a drama queen, imo.

rofl theowl.

Realfan

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was Charla's time of the month. She's not usually so emotional. She was having a crying jag, and it carried over into the elim ceremony.

I hate that Toni acted all noble--made it hard to jump up and down and cheer when she exited. What's the deal, is she in love with Amy? (I read elsewhere she's bi.) ITA, sureality. Toni knew she wouldn't be chosen by the men. And they were sure mistreating Beau--he's like a poor second cousin in their alliance, there to be used as needed. Glad he's finally catching on. LOL that Amy wanted Scott instead, and Toni argued about it. But the girls luuurve each other ...

ITA with Muse about the Zack fans being preteen girls. It's sickening how they glorify and romanticize his relationship with Amy. They sure better not bring him back! He was kicked of fair and square. I don't think it's him, though, because if it was, they would probably show Amy's dramatic reaction in the previews. It might be one of the candidates who wasn't selected before, like Kellee said. That was my first thought.

So now we have two couples on one side, two on the other, and one in the middle (Holly/Scott.) I don't care for Scott. Don't like his "talk" to Charla, trying to pry info and agreements out of her. Blech. Glad he had no role in making decisions this week.

Poor Dave looked upset when Charla said she feels
"safest" with Keith, but I don't think she meant it as a slam against Dave.

Maybe Tara was pushed over the edge by Toni rampaging against her at breakfast. I mean, she really cemented in her alliance after that, when before she was less trustworthy.

I don't remember it being explicitly shown that the plan was for Tara to pick Dave, but when she did, I knew she was acting under the alliance's purview. (Dave would never be her choice otherwise.) I knew then that Charla would pick Keith, which was the plan. So it was a good thing.

I also think this is why they were anxious to have a second woman in the alliance, that they could count on. In the past, sometimes they've been told they couldn't pick the same person at roommate selection, but if they had two couples who were interchangeable by agreement, it wouldn't matter and their alliance would remain solid with all four selected.

Surealityjunkie

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Squared, you MUST teach me where to put the "izzle" when using Snoop's language. All I know is Doggy Fizzle Televizzle! :)

Anyway, on to the show... I know some thought Tara was wrong for chosing Dave, but during the ceremony Charla said that she told Keith that she was going to choose him. Part of me thinks that is why she was so upset. Because she was the last person to go, and she knew she was picking Keith, she suddenly had a hand in sending Toni home and like someone said before, who knows how everyone would react... although I must say, they took her elimation much better than Zack's last week.

As far as Toni is concerned, someone mentioned her lack of flirting on the island. Through her conversation with Dave we learned that she never thought she was attractive and she compensated for that by working out and getting big. I don't think that she has ever felt like she could be flirtatious because she is not "dainty" and "girly" like the others and therefore has had a hard time letting guys know how she really feels about them. Since she doesn't seem to have high self esteem, I think she keeps how she feels about guys (Scott) for fear of rejection. Again, she probably looked around and thought: **look at all these hot girls -- why would he even stop to like me when he could be with them?** Does that make sense? I am sure her insecurities are why she went off so much... didn't know how else to deal. I think it will be interesting, to say the least, to see how/if the dynamics change this week now that she is out of the house.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
lol, for shizzle surizzle, its very easy. ok now in trying to explain it it's not as easy as i thought. you just got to flow with it. like surizzle is off the hizzle. or something like that. just keep watching doggy fizzle my nizzle.

Laura11103

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Loved last night's show, one thing I love about this show is that we get instant gratification most of the time, a whole show and an eviction, plus last week Zack, now Toni, how wonderful.

Now I want Amy gone, she's so bitter, she just won't let go of her hatred, and her promise to make sure Keith is gone is just so annoying, she's gonna get out of there and Zack's gonna certainly have moved on.

I naturally assumed that Tara picking Dave was already discussed w/ Charla, Dave and Keith, it worked out well.

I think Keith is so attractive, I wanna see him win this, he's shaken up this hotel more than anyone so far, thank you Keith for making this show so good!

Surealityjunkie

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tag & Squared -- please check your folders... :)

Squaredsc

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<racing to my folder....>

Kellee

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well next up is a man leaving paradise...so who will it be???...if the new Guy picks Tara or Charla...then eiter Dave or Keith leave cause no way is any of the other girls going to pick them over Scott..Beau or Alex...or maybe this time they will do it again where the person gets to send the one of their choice home..they seem to make these little twists when it benifits the plot...:)

Curiouscat

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Scott's discussion with Charla was *before* Toni and Amy ragged on him about roommate selections, I'd say Scott was insincere because he already discussed with the "originals" about wanting Charla out. But...if Scott's discussion with Charla was *after* the Toni/Amy ragging, he may have been on the fence, so-to-speak, between sincerity and insincerity, because his eyes may be openning to the fact the "original" girls are using him. But then again, he has pushed Charla away twice when she made advances on him and not shown very much interest in her romantically before, and he may be just trying to cover his butt in this game if it ever came to him having to chose Charla. Holly seems to be the first girl Scott has really been romantic with by kissing her during their evening excursion. He may have realized he hasn't connected with any of the other girls except Charla, and now Holly. I think all-in-all Charla is right in doubting Scott's sincerity - I think he has just realized he better start playing the game if he wants to stay. Charla's best bet is to stick with Dave as her first choice because he's most loyal to her, and Keith as the second.

Surealityjunkie

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't trust Scott... he just sounded shifty and fidgety to me. I wasn't comfortable with the way he was coming over. He sounded like he was up to something but was trying to see if Charla could see through him. And I think he had the conversation with her after his conversation with Alex or Beau about how he wanted to keep Tara & Holly because they were cool but in order to do that, they would have to eliminate Charla...

Surizzle's

Squaredsc

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Realfan

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Keith looks like a cross between Sylvester Stalone and Elvis.

That is all.

Suek

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 05:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was very happy to see Toni gone, although it might have been fun to watch her "melt down" if Amy had gone first. Have you ever noticed how bad Amy's skin is when they do a close up? And she always dresses in jeans. She should try something a little more girly. She looks dirty. Charla I think is very pretty but too quiet. I heard them say they were going to bring in a man from the past! Does that mean on the show or "in" their past? I love this show.

Surealityjunkie

Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 08:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The latest article:

http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article3440.art&page=1

Paradise Hotel, August 4: Sacrifices
by Jeffrey Clinard -- 08/05/2003


Paradise becomes a battleground as everyone squares off against each other in the frantic scramble to avoid elimination. In the end, who will be left standing?

Sanfranjoshfan

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This little blurb in the "news & gossip" section of tvguide.com really lets Toni have it. I was cracking up reading this!!!

http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/inthenews/030805.asp

PARADISE REGAINED
In a stunning move, histrionic Paradise Hotel she-hulk Toni sacrificed herself last night to save her "baby girl," foul-mouthed masochist Amy, from elimination. Which makes it even more mind-boggling that the onetime Love Cruise flotation device never defended the misguided kid from her verbally-abusive bed buddy, Zack. Unreal!

Realfan

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Reality News Online article has some inaccuracies (Charla was already crying when Toni came in to see why), and this bit about Toni not being in the core alliance:

"Beau has sympathy with the Amy/Kristin/Scott/Alex faction but is being ostracized from it as well. Toni also thinks she's in with the latter group, but hasn't yet realized she isn't a full member of the alliance."

Really? Did I miss something? I always thought Toni was pretty much the Originals' mastermind. Or most vocal leader, anyway. And Scott was surfing the edge. Thoughts?

Curious1

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes I would agree instead of the Amy/Kristin/Scott/Alex alliance I would think it would be the Amy/Kristin/Toni/Alex alliance. The only time I think that Toni wasn't a "full member" of the alliance was when it was Amy and Zack with Kristin and Alex. I do think that then those two couples would have dropped Toni to save themselves in a heartbeat. At that time, Toni and Scott where weak members of the alliance.

Tagurit

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"histrionic Paradise Hotel she-hulk Toni"
"the onetime Love Cruise flotation device"
Too funny!!! LOL! :) Thanks for sharing that with us Sanfran! I needed a good laugh today!

Sureality - thanks for your link too! :)

Squaredsc

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
rofl, the onetime love crise flotation device.

Tagurit

Wednesday, August 06, 2003 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just finished reading the article at Reality News Online. I must say they couldn't have gotten their facts straight or were in a rush to print or something. Maybe it is me because I missed out on Monday's show but there is one particular paragraph that makes no sense to me. Anyone care to help me?!

Here is the paragraph that confuses me -

"The women get the letters telling them to pack their bags since one of them will be leaving. Toni tells Amy there is a change of plan - Amy needs to pick Beau. Amy responds she's going to Scott, but Toni again insists she go to Beau. Amy says Holly is going to Scott. Scott is told to be standoffish, and Amy says she'd do the same for him. Toni insists she's going, but the others chalk it up to paranoia. Scott indicates she can or cannot believe him. Amy calls Beau, but he won't talk since Tara's in the room. Alex gets into it with Amy, saying she's never wanted to room with him as her first pick. In the Blue Room, Beau tells Tara they are still talking about alliances. Toni tells Scott she won't go back to him because he wouldn't pick her. She challenges him to prove her wrong, but he says he doesn't have to prove anything. They lash out at each other and Scott tells her she just assumes things. He's had enough and leaves the room. Toni calls Beau again, but he won't talk. Later, he talks to Amy in person, saying he called back 15 minutes later, and she tells them they were arguing. He throws the last Pandora's Box game in her face, saying that when it was revealed that his so-called friends didn't trust him, he admitted it made him feel like crap. He tells Amy they excluded him from the group, and not to be surprised by what he does now. Scott and Amy fight in the Yellow Room, with Scott in disbelief he should trust Amy after the events of the day. He throws her statements about him not willing to pick her if he had a free pass in her face."

Now, is it me or does the author keep mixing up Toni and Amy?! I know Amy is a "mini-me" of Toni but please! lol Or is this really what happened? AND, if this is really what happened why is Scott in disbelief he should trust Amy after the events of the day. What did she do exactly? (And, why am I wasting so much time figuring this out?! lol :) )