Archive through June 25, 2003
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Archive through June 25, 2003
Not1worry | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:09 pm     I thought Janice's eyes looked like black holes too. She made me think of the witch in Sleeping Beauty, Malificent. |
Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:13 pm     Not: I agree about the photos. I think Elyse was accurate with her own criticism of hers. What I don't get is why they criticize the models for the pose. Isn't it up to the photographer to get a shot of the face or make the neck look longer? If the model just doesn't photograph well, then that is her issue. But if the pose is all wrong, I think it's the fault of the photographer. When I saw Elyse's photo I thought it looked like a bad photo, not a bad photo of Elyse. And those photos are supposed to be the best out of the bunch? |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:16 pm     Thanks all!! I guess Kesse was a good choice - at least for the viewers. She added no drama to the show. She also was a Tyra knock off... Checked my schedule. No ANTM until SUNDAY evening. Why on earth do they think I would prefer baseball??!!?? |
Not1worry | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 07:17 pm     Scorpio, you said what I was thinking. If they can't see Kesse's face...is that her fault? They are supposed to have the "fierce" (I am so tired of Tyra using that word" photographers. On the Reebok ads or the commercial, I could see that the models needed to work hard for a good picture. But this should have been easier. Why were the girls all hidden? I am very confused by some of the things the judges find to gripe about. I think Robin will be out next week. Crossing my fingers for it at least. |
Jbean | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 08:21 pm     i was sad to see kessee go. seemed like all of the girls were, too. why does robin get through every week? she is driving me nuts. i agreed with their comments about adrienne's hair being in her eyes and hiding her. but the thing about that, is that THEY are the ones who decided how all of them should look when they got the makeovers. i don't think those bangs were her idea. i am rooting for adrienne at this point too. shannon doesn't bother me. she is just really young, naive and innocent. i think she gets knocked a little too much by the judges for her innocence. kudos to her for her morality. at least she doesn't condemn people like robin does. or if she does, it isn't being shown. i don't know, i guess i think her age is a big part of why she is so naive. whereas robin thinks she is perfect, condemns every one else for everything that she thinks they do wrong, and she is old enough to know better. give me a freakin' break. i was ROFLMAO when adrienne and elyse were exchanging rather raunchy comments to each other, and robin getting onto them. i personally thought it was funny. they were just kidding each other, playing around, like friends do, and robin had to get onto them like she was their mother. ugh. i dislike her more each week. let's hope there is "divine intervention" next week and she will be gone. jmho, hope no one is offended. |
Sunrvrose | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:16 pm     I'm so glad to see a board on this show. I am REALLY getting into it the last couple of weeks. I cannot believe that they let Kessee go instead of Robin. I was just sure that the final three would be Elyse, Adrianne and Kessee. I totally see Elyse winning this thing. But I am so so so mad that they kept Robin, why? why? I really cannot imagine, unless it is because Kessee did look too much like Tyra and they definately will keep an African American woman in the competition. I am happy about that, but Robin???? Kessee way superior in every way. Judging by the looks of the promo for next episode, Robin does refuse the nude modeling and I don't blame her one bit. Legit models do not pose nude, unless they are well established and choose to do so. I would think that nude photos would be the end of the career for a newcomer. |
Faerygdds | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:54 pm     Actually Sun... Although the photos were nude, it looked like all the important parts were going to be WELL hidden... and take a look at the adverts in Cosmo sometimes... half the photos for products (especially the B&W's) are nude, but nothing showing. It actually is NOT the kiss of death for a newcomer if the photographer succeeds in getting the shot for the ad and not a "body" shot. Either way... lots of "legit" modeling is done sans clothing... it isn't really a big deal in the industry. And that is something Robin and Shannon need to know! You can clearly state on your resume that you do not do nude modeling, but THAT is the real kiss of death. No one -- especially a top photographer -- likes to be told that there are conditions on a model when there are 150 others who look just as nice, would be great in the same print ad and will do what needs to be done to complete the ad project. That's what it's all about guys... the photographers aren't even the ones who call the shots... the marketing people let the photographer know what they want and it's his job to get it out of the models... The reason it becomes the kiss of death is that photographers remember if a girl is "difficult" to work with. Robin and Shannon, and thier hang-ups about thier sexuality would fit into that category. |
Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:42 pm     Faerygdds: I agree with everything you wrote. While doing "porn" might be the kiss of death for a serious modelling career, in fashion nudity is "art". The thing many of these girls don't seem to understand is: being a "model" is not the same as being a "princess". If you want to work, you have to bend over backwards to please everyone--not the other way around. If there's one thing I have learned from this show it is that and it has given me a new found respect for women who are serious about modelling. |
Sunrvrose | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:02 am     Ok, so where are the "tastefully nude" shots of Naomi Camball, Tyra Banks, Cindy Crawford, et all prior to being famous? I just don't think they did it. |
Sunrvrose | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:07 am     And to Faery, it really doesn't matter how much of your nude body they show in the final pic, the point is that one has to be nude at all. I can see that models need to be comfortable in changing in front of people to do shows, but to walk onto a photo shoot totally naked, I don't see that. Sorry. I hope all of the girls refuse to do that. |
Beachcomber88 | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 01:05 am     I also am confused at how Robyn keeps making it through. Janice obviously doesn't like her. And the French judge said she'd have no market for her. Must be Tyra's support that's behind her. I thought it was pathetic how she was crying at the end. Are you crying because you're happy you made it, or are you bawling because Tyra was scolding you? Sheesh - Kesee didn't even tear up in front of the judges. Show some grace, Diva. While the previews certainly show that Robyn has hangups about the nude shoot, I wouldn't count on that meaning it's the end of her. Sadly, I think this will be yet another reality show marketing tease, and after next week, we'll all still be wondering why she's there. I hope this show doesn't become yet another Clay vs. Ruben finale. |
Beachcomber88 | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:45 am     Another thought before it's time to hit the sack... I loved when Shannon was speaking about how she's been "single for such a long time" and how she's been on a "few dates" in her lifetime. How old is she? Maybe 19? I gather she's never had a boyfriend. She's sweet, but so very naive and sheltered. Reminds me a lot of that Mormon girl Julie on Real World New Orleans |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 02:46 am     Sunrvrose: Check this out. It's the famous Herb Ritts shot of five supermodels (including Cindy and Naomi) posing nude together: http://www.greatmodernpictures.com/ritts03lg.jpg |
Faerygdds | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:09 am     And to Faery, it really doesn't matter how much of your nude body they show in the final pic, the point is that one has to be nude at all. I can see that models need to be comfortable in changing in front of people to do shows, but to walk onto a photo shoot totally naked, I don't see that. Sorry. I hope all of the girls refuse to do that. Modeling is completely advertising driven... if you really want to stop nudity in advertising, this is what you have to do: 1) comb through all popular magazines for nude advertisments 2) Never EVER buy those products 3) Make sure everyone you know is not buying those products. Bottom line is that nudity sells... Calvin Klein goes topless... Smirnoff (Vodka) has a nude woman in thier advertisements... many perfumes do it, etc... Oh.. and they don't walk onto the set totally nude... they walk onto the set in robes (like they did for the bra pics). Just an FYI... I know you don't agree with it, but it's just the way the industry works because like I said.. it's a TOTALLY advertising driven industry and sex sells... the only way to stop it is to make sure that sex means it doesn't sell. And you alone (even with al your friends) can't stop that trend. Sorry...I understand your feelings, but it's just the way it is... |
Faerygdds | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:18 am     Oh and Sun.. I can find tons of pics of the models you named who look clearly "younger", but since there are no dates on the pics, it would be impossible to "prove" to you that it indeed did happen. However, consider this... Kate Moss's largeest contract -- and the one that made her famoud was for Calvin Klein Jeans & Obsession. In the oh 20 or so ads I found... only 1 was fully clothed... most of the jeans were topless and the perfume ads were ALL nude. Again.. I understand your feelings, but it does happen and it IS acceptable in the industry. I'n sure Tyra will explain this next week... at least.. I HOPE she does! |
Fluff | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 06:11 am     Okay, I just went to the website to look at the pics from yesterday, and they are all horrible looking. The best I thought was Kesse's, while the worst I thought was Elyse's. I can't believe that Janice praised that horrible photo. Everything about it sucked, in my opinion. And most of the problems looked like the fault of the photographer, and not the girls themselves. Ick. |
Pamy | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 06:45 am     Last nite's ep was the best so far. I found myself smiling so many times while watching. This is for sure the surprise hit of the season! The best news is that there will be a second edition!!! Gotta go get my portfolio ready! |
Laura11103 | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:53 am     Scorpiomom, thanks for the pic, they look beautiful... Faery, you're so right. Last night's show was good. I'm kind of not into Shannon, her naivete is annoying to me. She's never going anywhere unless she grows up. I lmao when Robin paid that guy to help her. Kesse screwed up big time by going shopping and she should've known it. She purposely didn't go to all her go-sees. She deserves to be cut for that. Adrienne was just lost and freaking out, at least her missing a go-see wasn't intentional. Her voice gets more annoying every week. To me, the winner has to be Elyse. And honestly, I'm not that crazy about her either. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:15 am     I haven't seen the ep, but why didn't Tyra like that Robin paid the guy to navigate for her? It's like Survivor - it doesn't matter how you get the ahead, just that you do. If she can get someone to help her, then by all means. I'm sure she isn't the first model (or anyone for that matter) to use a little charm and cash to help find their way around a big city. Good for her for showing some ingenuity. LOL I've read the official site's summary - but still looking forward to seeing the real thing. UPN pre-empts WAY TOO MANY shows in favor of sports. I nearly gave up on Buffy this last year, between the show not being as good, very few new ep.s, and always ending up with sports instead of the blond chick... It was kinda like - why bother? |
Avrey258 | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:30 am     I agree about Robin getting help around Paris. So what! It also irritated me the way Tyra kept saying, "when I was in Paris I had 25 go-sees a day and I made all of them"! Yeah, right. As for the nudity, I have very strong opinions about that. First of all I think when you are wearing undergarments you will have to show some skin. I have also seen some tastefully done semi-nude photos that were fabulous. They also catch the persons attention and that is what advertisers want. As for nudity, I think our country is way to uptight about it. Please note, I am not talking about pornography. If you visit any European country and watch the television you will routinely see a silhouette of a man/woman in the shower for a soap product. I never understood why Americans will let their kids watch grotesque violent movies where rape and murder are routine and then complain about a naked breast? Baffles the mind. I personally think we are uptight about the wrong things. In Europe, movies with violence are the ones rated mature audience as opposed to a movie with a sex scene which is pretty routine on the television, at least in England, Scotland and France. |
Laura11103 | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:31 am     Gina, Tyra was annoyed that Robin immediately resulted in getting help instead of using her own brain. I sort of agree with you but I also sort of agree with Tyra... I thought it was funny, but at the same time, is Robin so above everyone else that everyone else can find their way but glamorous Robin can't waste her time figuring out a subway map, but needs to pay someone? Obviously if they'd have allowed it, she would've taken a cab. I think the lesson was to make them use their minds and Robin took a shortcut. I'll bet that had they known she would've done that, they would've made a rule against it. Obviously the point of the "mission" was to stress out the girls and see how they handle it. |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:32 am     Pamy: Are you serious about there being a second season? Very cool! You're right. This has been a surprise. I thought this was going to be a total farce, but it's been a really good show. |
Realfan | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:51 am     Gina, I think it was because she wanted the girls to prove they could handle the stress of working to market themselves, on their own. She took an easy way out, and one Tyra said might have been dangerous. On the nude modeling . . . At first I was surprised, but then I remembered the 10-foot-tall poster of a nude woman (except for a teenie bikini panti) hanging from the mall window of my neighborhood Victoria's Secret. She has her arms crossed over her chest, and you can hardly see the panty she's supposedly marketing, but she sure is memorable. And gorgeous, too. Clearly she had to be basically nude for that shoot ('cept for the teeny panties!), and it's in the MALL. (Still there--go check her out!). And yeah, Calvin Klein has been nude for ages. They have to take them without clothes, but they only print the strategically covered ones, or they'd be in TRUUUBBBLE. Hee. Elyse will and should win--she has won more immunity challenges than anyone (oops, wrong show!). Adrienne is great, too, and I would be happy if she won, but I'm rooting for Elyse. Both of them even have supermodel-type names. I knew Elyse would do fantastic in Paris--she has a European look about her (reminds me of Audrey Hepburn--also skinny, and Audrey who starred in Amelie--also skinny), and the thinness for haute couture. I just think she's the most memorable looking of all of them, with her black Irish looks--pale, Snow White skin, black hair, and blue-gray eyes. It's no wonder the professionals are excited about her. She may not work as a Victoria's Secret model, but her face is really eye-catching for print ads, and she's got the runway thing down, too. Plus, I really like her. I adored her and Adrienne on the couch, talking about not caring if the other leaves--it was funny! Robin, I detestesth thee! What a rude pill of a woman. Ugh. I was so sure she'd be gone last night. What a disappointment--just as I felt we were learning a little more about Kessee, too. Grrr..... |
Jan | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:11 am     I'm finally watching the last show and the first thing I noticed was that, once again Adrianne is so pumped and awed by everything and Elyse once again poo poo's it..."I have been here before when I was 15 because my uncle lives here" Sure Elyse will probably win but it is sooo much easier to like Adrianne and wow that Robin is a Diva! |
Jan | Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:18 am     wait..the religious ones are uncomfortable to be seen by EACH OTHER in their underwear! How do they even think that they can be models???? |
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