Archive through June 17, 2003
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Archive through June 17, 2003
Fluff | Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 11:52 am     Tyra is a size 8, but she's also 5'11 1/2", which is pretty tall.  |
Squaredsc | Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 11:55 am     i was naturally small before i had kids, i wore a size 3 to 5, had the perky chest, now the body is just shot to hell and i wear a 14 to 16 but im short too. sigh. not1, im still small in my fantasies. |
Kimmo | Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 12:06 pm     The sizes also vary among designers/labels/ whatever....I wear from a size 5 to a size 8 depending on whose clothing line it is. Some labels run much bigger than you expect, so that the label size may say 6 and it fits like an 8, supposedly to make you feel thinner and thus buy their clothing. Insulting! Like you are going to forge an eternal alliance with a certain clothing manufacturer for helping you live the delusion that you are 2-3 sizes smaller than you "really" are.... |
Scorpiomoon | Thursday, June 12, 2003 - 02:34 pm     "Take a look at your birth certificate lady, you are old and you can't change that." LOL, Not! Good one! You made me laugh and laugh with that one! I CAN'T STAND JANICE!!! |
Laura11103 | Friday, June 13, 2003 - 08:51 am     Love this show. I didn't like Ebony but will miss the drama. I think it's so rude to grease yourself up so much that the door handles are greasy cuz of it. I thought that Ebony's look of bewilderment and outrage over Giselle mentioning it was also ridiculous, you have to have respect for others in a house like that. Elyse is obviously the coolest one in that house. Robin's a big phony and I agree with what everyone's been saying about her. Hated her since she made Elyse read that verse "the fool who doesn't believe, blah blah"... she needs to accept that not all people believe in her god. I think Shannon's the most beautiful physically. Good show. |
Hermione69 | Friday, June 13, 2003 - 08:57 am     I don't want this show, but I peek in now and then and just wanted to tell Faery that I checked out her pic and she is adorable! |
Fluff | Friday, June 13, 2003 - 09:37 am     Kimmo, that's why I love Ashley Stewart's clothing (well, the shirts anyway).  |
Fluff | Friday, June 13, 2003 - 09:39 am     Oh my goodness, Robin would make a great Ashley Stewart model! I wouldn't be surprised if they are trying to contact her. She'd look great on those posters they have hanging inside their stores. |
Beachcomber88 | Friday, June 13, 2003 - 12:37 pm     Ebony's obviously got something going on behind that angry greasy face of hers. She needs therapy. I thought Giselle was very respectful - and almost apologetic - in the way she asked her to wash her hands. A very reasonable request, and I thought Giselle handled it well. After hearing that apparently ridiculous suggestion, Ebony acted as if Giselle had just asked her to clean the toilet with her toothbrush. Incredibly egocentric. Perpetually Mad-At-The-World. And now, thankfully gone. |
Magikearth | Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 07:27 pm     Can I say Janice is reeeeeeally creepy?? Please don't let her hook up with Simom Whats-his-name!Pleeeeeeeez!!!!! |
Gina8642 | Sunday, June 15, 2003 - 11:02 pm     Finally saw this one (it was pre-empted for baseball last Tuesday) The editing was rather strange (read bad) in places. -During the acting segment clearly Tyra's voice was added later to some shots (where you couldn't see her mouth). This came off really bad, the tonal quality of the recording was completely different. If those added bits were so important, they should have looped the entire thing, so it would be smooth. -Ebony's confession jumped from her in a white outfit with a bald head, to her in a black outfit with her old hair. Rather odd and disconcerting. I'm keeping my eye out next week for this sort of stuff too. It's supposed to be the STUFF shoot. Yet, over at SS they have Ebony's pic from a STUFF shoot. So if she is/was kicked off prior to this shoot, where'd the pix come from? I'll be looking for Ebony at the corners of various shots. I think they are playing with the timeline big time! I noticed another timeline problem during the catwalk episode. J was in his black t-shirt/heels outfit. Then they said they quit for the day. Then next day, they go back, and have a competition. They show the 'competition'. During the supposed competition clip, J is back in his t-shirt/heels outfit. I doubt he'd change into that outfit just for judging. It's also unlikely to be identical to the previous day's outfit - which it was, right down to his hair. Why'd they have to make the competition the 'next day'? What does it matter? Odd. After reading all the comments, and synopsis of the show, I didn't think the 'holy rollers' staying in their room was quite so awful as everyone made it sound. I figure they have hours of those girls reading the bible, they can exaggerate in the editing. I guess I was expecting something much worse after reading all about it. Elyse continues to excel. They all seem to like Adrienne too. I don't quite get why they all love Adrienne's 'look' so much. I think she's pretty average looking (model-wise). However, she's a great character to watch, so I'm rooting for her based on that. |
Not1worry | Monday, June 16, 2003 - 05:15 am     Gina, I agree the editing is terrible. Ebony's hair made it so obvious. The Stuff magazine shoot was 2 episodes ago, however. Do you see a clip for a show they've already aired maybe? I forget what they are supposed to do in the show tomorrow. I know Elyse and her eating figures into it all! This is now definitely the show I look forward to all week. |
Yankee_In_Ca | Monday, June 16, 2003 - 01:00 pm     http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52918-2003Jun12.html Fashion 'Top Model': A Teetery Runway to Fame By Robin Givhan Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, June 13, 2003; Page C01 In the spirit of Fox's "American Idol," in which contestants are rewarded for a God-given talent, well-honed through practice, UPN offers "America's Next Top Model." And as one watches the finalists -- once 10, now only six -- struggle with makeup, stilettos, quick clothing changes and Brazilian bikini waxes, some facet of their humanity is revealed. When did a few moments of fame become worth the price of one's dignity? "America's Next Top Model," created by model Tyra Banks, who is also the host, promises to select the next high-priced mannequin to walk the runway, pose as a cover girl or win a contract to hawk long-lasting lipstick. The finalists live together in a New York penthouse. Each week they must pass a modeling test. They have endured a swimsuit shoot outdoors in freezing temperatures. (Spring swimwear typically is photographed in the winter, although magazines with a budget have the wherewithal to travel south for the project.) They received instructions on how to walk on a runway in four-inch heels from J. Alexander, the go-to man for a new model who needs to develop her own strut -- or at least learn how not to fall down. The finalists have gone to makeup classes, practiced changing clothes quickly, mingled at an industry party and read for a mock commercial. These are, of course, all skills that a model should have and yet . . . is there anything as ridiculous and heartbreaking as watching 24-year-old Ebony Haith practice her runway strut in her temporary home, alone, in front of a mirror? Perhaps only the sight of a young man working on his layup, at home, alone, long after everyone else has gone to bed. Haith was by far the most aggressive of the competitors. After experts voiced concern about the condition of her skin, she began slathering herself in so much moisturizer that she left a trail of oily slime on door knobs. But she was cut on the latest episode. "America's Next Top Model" is truthful about the skills required by the industry. It's important to be able to change clothes quickly. But the contestants are being judged on skills that most models learn on the job. And these are skills that don't apply to any other industry. How fast do you type? Are you comfortable with spreadsheets? How quickly can you change from a duchess satin evening gown with a corset into a double-face cashmere suit with over-the-knee boots? The contestants are being asked to do their best imitation of a professional model. And therein lies the absurdity. Their knowledge of the industry is based on local pageants and talent shows. Robin Manning is from Tennessee, formerly Miss Soybean and a veteran of church fashion shows. She has a tendency toward exaggerated poses and overly wide smiles. Elyse Sewell has degrees in biology and Spanish, lists Jonas Salk as her hero and plans on going to medical school. Her role on the show is to prove that modeling attracts a range of IQs. In on-camera confessionals she is prone to lamenting the quality of the household conversations, which tend to revolve around topics such as pore size. Sewell is also an atheist who was not amused when, in the middle of a household argument regarding a photo shoot, Manning launched into a hymn, orchestrated a prayer circle and then prayed loudly and tearfully. Manning, at 5 feet 9 inches and 160 pounds, is quite pretty and mostly suitable for the plus-size market. She is the show's nod to political correctness -- and perhaps to the Bible Belt. Each week, one of the women is eliminated in a dramatic fashion. They are all made to face a panel of judges who critique their performances in that week's events. Former '70s model Janice Dickinson takes on the Simon Cowell role of the viciously honest judge, but goes a step further and positions herself as the sort of fashion industry henchwoman who would tell a young girl that her feet were too big and expect her to do something to remedy the problem. Other regular judges include Kimora Lee Simmons, creative director of Baby Phat -- who is also described on the show's Web site as a "hip-hop socialite," which implies that she's a party girl for charity rather than just for fun. Beau Quillian, a fashion editor from Marie Claire magazine, is also a judge. His magazine has committed to featuring the winner in its pages and presumably, it's his job to make sure that the victor can at least remember to keep her eyes open when she's photographed. And of course, there's Banks, who announces each week's loser. Before sending one of the women home, Banks delivers the typical speech indicating how difficult the choice was, although one could argue that the decision was tough only because all of the contestants are so unappealing. Unlike a show in which the contestants have been singing or dancing or telling jokes, there is no definitive measure of skill such as pitch, timing or the sheer volume of laughter. It's all subjective. And rather than having judges who spend their days looking for the next big thing -- folks such as photographers, stylists, model scouts, bookers -- the contestants are being critiqued by models who once were big but have moved on to other endeavors. Ultimately though, it doesn't seem like debating the quality of the judging would matter much. After all, how important is the outcome of a competition when the winning criteria includes one's ability to smile while wearing a bikini in the snow. But it only takes the memory of desperate prayers burbling up on national television, to remind one that for some folks, it matters a great deal. |
Fluff | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 07:16 am     Here is an interview TV Guide did with Ebony, if anyone is interested. http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/insider/030613b.asp |
Scorpiomoon | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 07:12 pm     Aye, aye, aye...Steve the journalist guy was HOT! I couldn't stand Giselle. I do feel bad her family is so negative and I do understand she is young, but man, it wasn't just about her having low self-esteem. That girl was TOTALLY self-absorbed. I hope Robin and her freakin' fur coat and her "I'm perfect" attitude get booted next. WTF was up with her staying in her room when Adrienne's mom and Elyse's bf were there? Does it say something in the Bible about mothers and daughters eating together is a sin? I want her gone! I like Elyse. I don't think she has an eating disorder. But I do hope Adrienne wins. Adrienne would genuinely be grateful to win and, I think, she would work her butt off. Elyse wouldn't be as passionate. Kesse kind of gets on my nerves. Shannon is a wanna-be Robin. Final thing: If anyone know what a mental patient looks like, it's Janice. |
Jbean | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 07:29 pm     i CANNOT stand adrian's voice...it is like nails on a chalkboard to me, other than that, i don't have anything against her. at this point, i don't really like any of them, or dislike for that matter. in other words it will make no difference to me who wins. i think shannon is the least obnoxious out of all of them. i also thought it was cool that tyra was telling off janice and co, when they said that robin was too "fat". pulleez! robin's better than everyone attitude is a total turnoff, but her body is closer to reality and makes the rest of us who aren't rail thin, not look so bad. that is a good thing. and i can't believe they call a size 12 a plus-size model. tyra telling janice that that was why girls are leaning over toilets vomiting right now because of people like her, well, you gotta love it. maybe tyra isn't so bad after all! this is definitely my look-forward-to show all week, too. love it. needed a good reality drama show for the summer. jmho. |
Not1worry | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 07:31 pm     ROFL...Scorpio!! Janice is getting more deranged each week. Although I have to admit, I look forward to what on earth she'll say. Not sorry Giselle is gone. I did think this was one of her better weeks, modeling-wise. Elyse didn't say it so she could understand it when she told her puberty was the problem, but it's true. Grow up a little and she could go so far. I was soooo sorry that Robin did not go this week. Not only her attitude, but she sounded like a broken record on the Christian thing. She made herself look like a hypocrite basically saying she had no flaws. I think if she'll carefully go over her New Testament, she'll realize that there's only one Guy that can claim that. And her manners....that's week 2 for rudeness to guests. I love it that Adrienne said she wasn't brought up right. Shannon is sweet and lovely and takes nice pictures. Another one dimension woman though...surely there must be some other aspect to her personality that the Christian virgin! Adrienne continues to be my favorite. I hope she'll try to work on her speech, but I think that would take a LOT of work. When I first saw her, I wasn't sure she was all that beautiful. Yet each week she seems more gorgeous. I don't Kesse lets her real self shine, I can't figure her out. I thought her Reebok picture they picked at the end was terrible. Neither do I like how she's jumped on the Elyse-eating-disorder bandwagon. |
Kappy | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 07:41 pm     I so did not want to like this show and even insisted that I would never EVER watch it and then what happens? I tuned in strictly out of curiosity when nothing else was on and dang it ~ I'm hooked! And now it's preempted for some game! But having now found these threads, I'm glad to hear I'm not alone and I would also like to add a thank you to those who have shared articles and links above! Elyse was my favorite in the beginning but then admit I got just as tired of her 'I'm smart' rants as I am of Robin's 'worship my way or the highway' routine. And while I did not care for Adrienne in the beginning at all, she's really growing on me. I think she is a typical model type where they might not look like what we think of as a true beauty walking down the street but when caught on camera, the film loves their face. In the beginning, I didn't think of her as stoned so much as perhaps being from an environment that was so different from NYC and the surroundings that these girls are in. Kind of like the kid from the trailer park with a good heart who hits the big city for the first time in her life. But she appears to be adjusting well and seems to have caught on to how and when to do this or that behavior. As others have said, she is very serious about wanting this and she's seems very willing to make adjustments in herself to do what needs to be done. I also really like Kesse but agree that she may not make much longer. I look forward to this thread tomorrow to find out what happened tonight. We won't see it here until Sunday. |
Jbean | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 07:45 pm     forgot to mention, to me adrian looks a lot like model/actress milla jovovich (most recently seen in loreal feria commercials). |
Knightpatti | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 08:00 pm     I hated that Elyse won the publicity competition because she talked about everyone. Personally, I think that was immature and high school material. The interview should have been about her and not about what she thought about others. I think her attitude towards the others is worse than Robin's. Do the other girls know how Elyse feels about them? Loved it that Tyra went to bat about Robin's size! I am hooked on this show,too. So different than my life and I love to watch people going after their dreams! |
Squaredsc | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 08:13 pm     darnit it wasn't on where i am. i hope they show a repeat somewhere. |
Demeter | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 08:30 pm     I still like Elyse, even though she sometimes comes off as condescending. I think she actually does do a great job overall. She pays attention and seems to learn quickly. She is not drop-dead gorgeous but has a certain mystery to her. I like Adrianne as well, although I don't really care to listen to her speak. Robin seems too old and I don't care for her much at all. Shannon seems to photograph well, but other than her religious leanings, she doesn't seem to stand out much to me. Kesse kind of blends into te woodwork. She is attractive, but I've not seen her shine yet. |
Catfat | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 08:37 pm     What type of model are they looking for? Runway? or print ads? or TV? or one who does everything? |
Faerygdds | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 09:16 pm     A "super"model does all those things and more... |
Gina8642 | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 - 09:27 pm     Square - my UPN station pre-empts Tuesday's all the time for sports. Just find your local station's website for when they'll air it. Mine usually airs pre-empts anytime Sat or Sun. It pays to record an hour on either side of when they say too. If a golf match or something runs long, you'll miss it a second time. lol I enjoyed tonight. I was a bit disappointed that Elyse's being negative was rewarded. But what they hay - he liked her for the same reason we like her (or at least the same reason we like to talk about her). I thought the interview guy was cute too. I like the way he said Robyn's religion, religion, religion interview technique made her one dimensional. He said it more tactfully than me. Adrianne is looking odder and odder to me. Did you see her nose? My goodness, she isn't classically beautiful at all. But I LOVE her personality. She was so happy to see her mom. She is sooo sweet how she takes the weight of her family on her shoulders. I don't think she comes from the best (read upper class) back round. When she's stressed, she uses double negatives. Top that off with already well talked about poor speech - I can tell. However, she is lovely (as a person), if she goes on in this business and can afford it, she should see a voice coach. Get her to elocute, get her to speak with an open mouth. Get rid of the double negatives. She's great, I guess I'm rooting for her to suceed in modeling more than anyone else. She's worked so hard and wants it so bad. I loved that Elyse and her boyfriend seemed so happy to see each other. I loved that he wasn't handsome. (He barely passed for cute.) Shows Elyse has other things on her mind than appearances. Shannon is quite sweet and cute too. Her religiousity doesn't push my buttons the way Robyn's does. Kesse - who's she? Just blending into the background of the show. I like her hair color, looks great with her skin. I'm beginning to suspect that she might win. They like her more ane more each week... |
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