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Seamonkey

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't take Colin's words as gospel.. and Melissa is a nut case as well.. not saying the Mormon mom isn't a swindler, but...

Melissa's the one who got so angry and loud at NO David (the fine one, Square) that she had to be taken out of the building!!

Considering this is a "team thing", is it all that wise at this point to vote off such a strong player? (Julie's been consistently a GREAT player in these challenge shows)

Grooch

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it looks like Ellen is pissed off about Julie being voted off and Melissa will be targeting her next. lol.

Max

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's Julie's journal entry for still another perspective. http://scribble.nu/x/?u=discolem

C1mag

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess after reading both sides that its an on going he said/ she said type of thing. Interesting stuff and it definitely sets a tone for this show. I love this slop! :)

C1mag

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW I agree that Melissa is a bit freaky and high strung so it makes anything that might be legitimate appear less in her favor.

Kathat

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Last, I'd like to say how disappointed I was to see that MTV did not say a word about Michelle at the end of the Extreme Challenge re-run. Rest in Peace, Michelle, it was good/sad to see you last night in the reruns."

I am drawing a blank...which one is Michelle and what happened?

Squaredsc

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
yep c1, and somewhere lies the truth. julie should have said something back to melissa, anything. she came off looking like a wuss. but then again i don't care for either of them.

Laura11103

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I never heard of Michelle and I've watched all the RW and RR seasons... please let us know who she is and how she died...

C1mag

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's a bit about Michelle. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1458258/20021021/story.jhtml

http://www.michelleparma.com

Very sad!

Grooch

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Michelle was the cheerleader that went to Europe on Road Rules.

She died in a car accident a few months ago coming back from her mother's birthday party. A car hit them head on. :(

Azlen

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Michelle was on the third Road Rules, the one set in Europe. She was a former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and in my opinion was one of the cutest, sweetest girls ever on Road Rules. She was tragically killed in a traffic accident last year when the other car crossed the centerline. Very, very sad.

Abby7

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 04:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey: you mentioned Puck getting married to the girl in San Francisco w/long brownish hair. During the season he met a girl with long wavy blondish/red hair. Remember he met her at a park while bike riding with Rachel. She had a little dog and went with Puck to dye his hair blue. Well, they got engaged while on the show. I don't think he ever married her though (could be wrong). That girl looks completely different than the girl they showed him marrying on previews.

Much later Rachel SF/RW married Sean Boston/RW....you aren't confusing them are you?

Squaredsc

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 05:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
oh thats so sad. im sorry but i didn't look at that season. very tragic.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Abby.. yes that is the girl.. I thought they did get married, that Puck invited his ex roomies but then maybe not..

No.. I could never confuse Rachel and Puck ...

And of course Pedro "married" Sean on that season and later Judd and Pam from that season married each other..

But if that girl didn't marry Puck.. good for her!!

Abby7

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 08:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Seamonkey: I agree...good for "that girl" if she didn't marry Puck. I remember MTV filming her place when Puck would visit. She seemed to be an educated woman with a nice place. I wondered if she only was "attracted" to Puck because of the cameras following him. Otherwise, hard to imagine why someone would ever be attracted to the guy.

I'm also not sure if they ever got married. I just remember Puck seeming to want to "outdo" Pedro because he was engaged...but don't remember any wedding....he just said that they would be married in "May" if memory serves me right...WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT IT IS SERVING ME RIGHT..LOL.

I, too, was confused about the marriage thing with Puck. For one thing, David E. referred to Puck's wife, and then later Betty. Later, if I remember correctly (could be wrong, not the first time) Puck called someone by the name of Betty and told him to call "Marge"? (David E.'s wife?). These names seem so "not their age" if you know what I mean...so I'm beginning to think I don't have a clue...duh.

I do remember when Rachel/SF/RW was auditioning for "The View". She mentioned her friend, Puck. He had recently been arrested for physically abusing...either his girlfriend/wife (not sure which)...she mentioned this on the air. She made it sound like he did not really abuse her physically but it was some sort of misunderstanding about the physical abuse...yet he was in jail. She got the story from Puck who was in jail...so who knows.

And yes, my name is Abby7 and I'm an addict of RW....(Hi Abby7).

Grooch

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Julie's side of the story. My head is spinning. I did see that she beglected to mention that her agent is her mother.

Battle of the Sexes!
I think Ellen said it best when she said that this years challenge was supposed to be boys against girls... not girls against girls!

I just watched the first episode of the challenge, and was pleasantly surprised to find it edited pretty accurately, as far as I could tell. Five minutes after arriving in Jamaica, Melissa turned psycho on me. She ended up rallying a bunch of the real world girls against me and ultimately conspired to get me kicked off, even though I was a huge asset to the team (I was in 4th place) let me explain a little further…

After the real world, my entire cast began doing appearances at college campuses. I was getting a lot of work because my agent was a really hard worker and booked lots of appearances for me. I booked so many jobs that I couldn’t even do them all, so I told my agent to offer any jobs I couldn’t do to some of my friends from other casts. At that time, Melissa was a friend. She made thousands of dollars off jobs that I sent her way. Eventually, Melissa got her own agent, raised her fee, and stopped taking extra jobs I had.

One day, a school with a restricted budget was trying to decide weather to hire Melissa or me. They called my agent and Melissa’s agent. I was cheaper – not because I was trying to steal jobs from Melissa, mind you. At that time, I didn’t even know that I had set my rate lower than Melissa had set hers, because I don’t know anything about the fee Melissa had chosen or what she does or doesn’t do at her jobs. I simply set my price to something I thought to be reasonable.

Keep in mind that both Melissa and I have AGENTS. I have never called a school. I have never even booked my own show. That’s what agents do. Obviously, Melissa is lying when she claims (without any proof) that I call schools and do whatever I can do to steal jobs. My agent has already booked me more jobs than I need. It isn’t my fault that more people want to hire me because I charge less or because I will sign autographs or because I can bring a band. Bottom line… business is business. If Melissa thinks she is more valuable, she should charge more. I charge what I think I’m worth, and it’s worked out great because I’m happy with the amount of jobs I get.

Besides, Melissa has made more money from jobs I’ve sent her way then she has lost because I am cheaper or because I sign autographs. I think if anyone is greedy, it’s her. Melissa has made tens of thousands of dollars off her real world fame. We all have plenty of money. No one is stealing from her, and I am not the only real world cast member who charges a lower fee than she does. There are people who are cheaper than me, but I don’t run around accusing them of being dishonest and stealing jobs from me.

Melissa is just an angry person, and she has decided to target me because, frankly, I’m an easy target. I don’t hate her or trash-talk her and I don’t fight back, so it’s very easy for her to rally people against me. I hope she watches the episode tonight and realizes that she is the way she looks – mean, jealous, conspiring, overly dramatic, and irrational.

But it’s okay. While I would have liked to stay in Jamaica longer, it actually worked out better that I came home because my band Bunkbed Incident was able to play some really awesome festivals right after I got home, and we ended up making more than I could have ever won. Plus, I got to avoid all the silly drama of the challenge (believe me it gets way worse). I’d rather make money playing music then fighting in paradise.

Speaking of music, did anyone notice that Bunkbed was playing when I got kicked off? They played “Basement Fires” – It was SO awesome to hear our stuff on TV! That’s another good thing that came from Melissa’s drama… I got to showcase my band on the first episode. I was wearing my Bunkbed Incident T shirt the whole time Mel was screaming at me. Great advertising!! Since it’s aired, I’ve sold a ton of CD’s and T-shirts off the bandsite, so I really owe Melissa a thank you!

Julie

Grooch

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's Lori side of the story.

The Puck and David Show

I shouldn't name these by missions because it's just so not about the missions. I don't know if it ever will be.

We'll start with the Julie/Melissa situation because that can be tackled really easily. I was going to comment much more on this, but it seems as though Julie got her word in on her site, Melissa got hers in on MTV.com, so considering that I have nothing to do with it at all, there's no point on my commenting on it. The fact is, everything for me is word of mouth. I never witnessed anything that happened to either of them before this, and I didn't even witness much that went on when we were all there together in Jamaica. I know that everyone knew Julie was shady except a select few - most likely the few that were in interviews. I know that Julie did NOTHING in Jamaica that anyone could witness that would illustrate the reputation she has had over the past few years. I know that it was impossible for Julie to come off looking bad because she didn't do anything wrong while we were there.

I also know that there was no question that she would be going home soon. Yes, she's a great competitor, but the girls had decided off the bat that we were more interested in team unity than individual strengths. We never saw her ever. She just wasn't around. Ellen came up to me after the mission while we were on the beach and said, "Julie is really nervous that they're going to vote her off."

My response - "Well...she should be, she's totally going home."

"But WHY? We came in 4th place! If she goes home that's totally bullshit and I'm going to say something," very Ellen of her.

"Well, she's going to go home, everyone knew she'd go home first no matter what." I was even surprised that Ellen was surprised about this.

Either way, this inner circle thing is not very informative. I've been curious to know what really went on in inner circles, and in this episode, you don't even see how they came to that conclusion. What's the point of the inner circle scene if we don't get to hear how they come to their conclusions? I mean, it sounded like they didn't think as a group that voting Julie off was the best idea, but they all then decided unanimously that she is. Melissa only says she thinks Julie should go, but I don't see her spreading rumors and trying to make people do it. I was disappointed with that editing. Now, I'll never know.

Now, Ellen. Let's talk for a sec. WHY are you crying that Julie's leaving? We've been there for about five minutes, and you two are not friends. How could you be so pissed about this? Who cares? It's the one girl no one has been talking to within the five minutes we were there. That's retarted.

So, I didn't realize the show was going with the whole "Melissa setting a bad tone" thing. I just thought no one cared that Julie was leaving. I know that no one helped her pack and we were all drinking Red Stripes and Pina Coladas down at the bar. So, I'm curious as to how this got to be so crazy. The guys don't know what they're talking about at all - they aren't involved. Shane's a sweetheart, but what the hell does he know about Julie?

Okay, topic done.

Puck/David:

Interesting. Again, how is one to know who is lying? David is screaming at Puck that he beats his wife. Now, a lot of people here know Puck very well, and they seem to believe that David is talking about of his ass about that. So I asked, "So, is he just completely lying right now?" But there was so much chaos that I don't remember if anyone bothered to answer me. We don't know how they started screaming. I don't know if anyone knows. I do know that Eric and Marc seemed to be on the side of Puck, and no one seemed to like David much at all. In my opinion, this is for good reason. I was horribly uncomfortable around him. David was never more than a ticking bomb. Who knows why he ever started screaming, but it is clear that his temper is outrageous, his mind is delusional, and his general personality is completely negative. He was the single most childish person I have ever known, and I walked out of his path every chance because he was like a storm - would wreck anything in his way. It was clear that he provoked Puck when Puck was trying to calm down and walk away from the situation. Granted, Puck would throw in some silly statements about his mom needing to shave her back, but that's Puck, I guess. Anyway, David's provoking was unacceptable to me. When Puck spit, David admitted it was his intentions to drive Puck to that point. Now, who's worse? Of course, the contract says that you cannot spit, but I think that's stupid. Spitting is nothing compared to most verbal abuse that takes place.

So, Jon Murray feels obligated and tells Puck as we are on the way to film the opening credits that he is kicked off the show. We were annoyed because we wanted to get going. Now, I thought it would suck if Puck got kicked off, of course, but after that, I really didn't care much. Not all of us cared at all. Rachel wanted this shit over with so we could get off the bus. So, people like Ayanna, Beth, and Jisella began the rally on the bus. Like motivational speakers they started telling us that we need to stand up to "the man" or whatever - about not letting production do whatever they want. People were uniting to keep Puck and someone yelled out that if Puck goes, we all go, and they have no show. So, now we have an issue. You get off the bus to support Puck, or you stay on the bus to stand against him. One problem - where do you go when you don't give a shit and don't want to be involved? I didn't want Puck to go, but I'm not one to argue with contracts. He broke the rule, and that's all I know. I was hoping Jon would be lenient because Puck was a good guy, but whatever. So, now I have to get off the bus because staying on is a bigger statement than getting off. So, one would say I'm being a follower for getting off when everyone else did. Not really - I didn't care enough to make a statement. I didn't rally around Puck and scream at the camera or Jon. I stood off on the side and made phone calls about how stupid this shit was getting. Blair thought that whoever left would be replaced without a problem. He said that he was positive that phone calls were already being put out at that very moment for replacements from the previous casts. He said that he'll go home because he'll just do the next one. I'm annoyed - we're already here in Jamaica, I don't want the show to end - this sucks.

So, David is going crazy, being the psychopath, not wondering that maybe when you're standing alone - you should consider why, that there might be a reason no one "has your back." Puck says, fine, you can spit in my face. David mocks him for stooping so low, and now David just sucks. Puck kept his end of the bargain, and now David is a super shit. David still gets to be in the opening, but he dances around people making childish noises and claiming that he got BMP to give him MORE money than everyone else was getting to stick around. Then I'm annoyed more, but I just want to move past it, so whatever. Go away.

We get back on the bus, and half the bus is crying because they are swelling with pride for having stood up for what we believed in and conquered. I didn't cry. I thought this was all boring and I wanted to get back to sitting by the pool and hanging out with the chill girls. Too much drama for me. How did I get myself into it?

What else is there to speak of? Oh God, Laterrian. He's CRAZY, but I think we touch upon this more next episode. Let's be clear of this so far though. We've been here for four days now, actually, more like three, and Laterrian hasn't slept...AT ALL. I got into an argument with him, and I never argue, so you can imagine how out of brain he was.

I don't know if there is much else, actually. A long episode, but quite self-explanatory and pretty straight-forward. People talk about how entertaining it is, but I guess it's hard for me to see it like that. I watch it and think about how ••••••• hot it was there, how long it took to ever get everyone together to do something. Well, more conflicts are soon to come that involve much more interesting back stories...


Add on...
I forgot to say a few things. Firstly, how Tonya became my partner. I was one of the biggest Tonya fans in the world when we got there. I knew very little of her, only that her reputation was pretty horrible from her season. The one thing that intrigued me from the get-go was that she was not bitter. Finding a Real Worlder who is not bitter, especially after a show like that, well, not only is it rare - it's downright impossible. In Tonya's case, she is not bitter because she was not a victim of editing, like most of us believe we are. She believes she acted as badly as her show illustrated, so she was able to confront herself and deal with it on her own. This makes for a better, stronger, more compassionate Tonya. I don't know anyone who had a problem with her. She was well-liked, very sweet, very interesting. She and I were inseparable during those first few days, and we picked each other for teammates immediately after it was announced we need partners. We even trained together a little with lifting and sprinting up the hill. People liked Tonya, she is not the same girl from Chicago. She was also open-minded. As a nurse-type, she took it upon herself to take care of everyone who was sick - which was everyone. A bacteria was in our food, giving nearly half the cast severe diarrhea, and it IS as gross as it sounds. People lost 10 pounds on average the whole time we were there. Anyway, whatever went around, Tonya was exposed to it, so this girl who has been healthy and sans kidney issues for months was suddenly not feeling so well, and it was basically because she was so generous with everyone else. She doesn't get really sick or anything, no more sick than anyone else, and they won't make a show of it, but that's something that was going on.


Laurie

Azlen

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 10:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This season should be very, very interesting considering that everyone who was there says it gets much worse than it was on the first episode.
Sometimes I think that Law and Order episode that had a murder on a "Real World" type reality show might not be too far off.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lori's about as deep as a layer of glare ice..

Just hang with the chill girls and diss anyone who might not be a sheep (Ellen standing up for Julie)..

Puck's a "cool guy?" Oh, please.

Think she has David pegged tho..

And good to hear what she said about Tonya..

Calico

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
http://www.mtv.com/onair/rwrr_challenge/battle_sexes/julie.jhtml

Julie's Rebuttal to Melissa's commentary.

C1mag

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Are these two girls idiots? MTV is baiting them to air this stuff on their website and like true suckers they've jumped on it and are b@tching about money and hatred for the whole world to see. You'd think they wouldn't be that gullable. Some how MTV and the producers of RW/RR's are going to capitalize on this whole thing while these two tare each other appart with words. Shall we take a poll and see how long it takes Melissa to fall for the bait and respond either on the website or MTV itslef? Obviously they are looking for a full blown body contact fight ala Gerry Springer. I mean come on... Puck and David obviously had megga issues with each other and yet they schedule them both for this contest and then they put Julie and Melissa out there to rip on one another. Are all these reality participants a bunch of suckers?

Seamonkey

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 03:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'd give that a yes, mostly :)

Squaredsc

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 03:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
who is laurie? i don't recognize her.

should there be an X over julie's pic? just wondering if we were doing that here.

Max

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 03:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Laurie was in the second New York cast. SHe was the one who kept hanging all over Kevin even when he made it clear he wasn't interested.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is rerunning at the moment and watching the beginning.. looked to me like Julie was in the room talking to Ayanna and Melissa entered the room, interrupted and started raging.. so Melissa's story cracks a little bit right away since she made it sound like Julie waltzed in on her.. not to mention that I kinda doubt if Julie was banned from either room :)

Yes, there probably should be X's on Julie and David.. They sure managed to get rather unflattering pictures of most of them..