Archive through July 30, 2003
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Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 07:33 am     I think they are brought the two women to the resort to compete for ONE spot. I am thinking one of them will go home... It would be kinda cool if when they come in, one oldie goes home immediately. Since we didn't hear anything of it, it's not gonna happen... I also agree about Dave. I liked him in the pre-show interview but the first week he got there, he was over the top. Once he connected with Charla, he has seemed to calm down and find his niche. He still isn't in the "family," but that's okay. His perception of what is going on is right on target along with Keith. Kudos to both of them for not taking any stuff... And speaking of stuff (I am full of chat this a.m. ), I watched the Yahoo! tapes of PH last night after I left you guys... This was interesting... It showed 11 minutes of Pandora's Box. I was able to see all of the comments made that were spliced on the show. It was way to long and convoluted to try and share here, but suffice it to say that they tried to set Dave up to get blasted by Toni. He was stating (in non biased manner) what he had heard at breakfast, asked the guys to back him up as to whether or not it was true, and they (read: ZACK) were backpeddling and denying that it was exactly as he was stating... That is basically what set Toni off in last week's Pandora's Box session. (Which went on for at least four of the eleven minutes...) I also realized watching the Yahoo! tapes last night that Keith said Amy is the one he would miss the least at the hotel because he didn't know her very well... they hadn't spend much time together. The applauded when he finished and told him "good answer." (They clapped after every answer...except for Toni's outbursts...) OH OH OH OH... also, during the Toni Yells at Scott segment, she said that she was all self concious and stuff because when they went to satellite SHE WAS BOOED!!! (get out, no... really?!?!?) She didn't like how that happened and was concerned about how she was being received. Scott then reminded her that Beau was booed a little bit and she then told Scott that she doesn't care about Beau. It's all about her now... she can't be concerned about other people. It also showed a video of Scott & Kristin's kiss, one of the conversation at the table about Toni storming off, and Beau & Tara making out... makes me wonder how far they went with that... hmmmm... Oh, also Toni & Dave talking after she apologized to him. She was much calmer in that conversation than the babbling that occured on t.v. |
Laura11103 | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 08:42 am     Thanks so much Surealityjunkie, any tidbits are much appreciated |
Ryn | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 08:50 am     YAY!!! Zack is gone!!!! Of course he rationalized it - lol Just had to come in here and do a lil happy dance!!! What is sad (to me) is that Amy thinks that guy was worth anything. I mean he did show a soft side (once) but other than that all I ever saw was him acting like a jerk. |
Curious1 | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 10:29 am     I so wish that this show had live feeds! Can you imagine how many people would have been glued to the feeds after last night's episode! I realize it isn't live but you know what I mean, whenever the vote off happened being able to watch the fallout afterwards would have been priceless. I still don't get the mentality of the people on this show. They are so concerned that the people they like at the hotel aren't booted off that they don't seem to think of their own survival. Do Amy and Kristin really care more about Zack and Alex getting voted off then they care about themselves staying? And what was with Beau being all pissed off at Keith for getting rid of Zack, he must not realize that everyone (especially Zack and Alex) was telling Keith to get rid of him. Duh Dude! Fox needs to find a way to add a twist where the new person gets to send both a male and a female home and then (that same new person) gets to pick the next new guest of the opposite sex to come the hotel immediately. I think this would result in alot of people kissing the butt of the new person, and not make them feel so pressured into taking the easy way out, like Tara did. She really didn't do anything to stir up the pot, and the stirring of the pot is what makes this show so intense. That twist also would ensure that the person who has the balls to do what Keith did, wouldn't have such a big old target on his back after the eviction. Anyway, that is just my opinion on what Fox should do. But you know what, I absolutely love this show so Fox really doesn't need my advice obviously, they are doing a kick butt job all by themselves! |
Oregonfire | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 10:54 am     Tonight's show looks good as well--will be glued to the tv for that hour! I like how Keith doesn't lose his temper when "arguing" with Toni or Amy. He should diffuse bombs for a living. I have new respect for male models after seeing him on the show. I have one word for Zack and Toni: therapy. (and lots of it) |
Realfan | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 10:55 am     Go Keith!! Don't let them intimidate you. What is this, high school?? It's clear the producers changed the rules so that one of the originals HAD to be kicked off. Things weren't as volatile as they originally envisioned with the originals getting so entrenched. Get rid of 'em, I say. Amy--Geez, Louise, get a life. Get perspective! It's not like she can never see Zack again. I hate Toni with the red-hot fire of a thousand suns. I love that Keith doesn't buy into her tactics. Telling her he had nothing to say to her really took the wind out of her sails. It's none of her business, he's not accountable to her, and clearly she didn't want to talk, merely get into an argument. Keith's pretty savvy for a 23-year-old (and a model--hah!) to see through her. I hope Tara doesn't fold under the pressure to ostracize Keith. She seems pretty weak to me, kicking out Amanda last week instead of doing what Keith did this week. Maybe Charla can keep her strong. Love Charla. Love that she and Dave have an understanding and are watching out for each other. Dave is awesome. I loved Charla's "Be a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world" bit. She's cool. Those two guys who lost the bet and didn't really wear thongs are complete losers--and wusses to boot. Tara called them on it, but they ignored her, not surprisingly, as she's not part of their pathetic "in crowd." Bizarre show, better than I expected. This is my first post about it, BTW. |
Realfan | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 11:18 am     <<You think they would figure out if you attack the "would-be" new person and then he/she does get chosen, just like Keith, he/she will go after the one that treated them badly.>> Except that didn't happen last week with Tara following their will and kicking off their target Amanda, even though she seemed to be bonding with her and Charla. There's a mob mentality going on, an in-group cliquey thing, where the group has successfully kept its power thorugh intimidation--until now with Keith. The group was targeting Beau for eviction, but he used his power and thwarted their plans. The producers were smart to change how this is played, or there would be a constant revolving door with the newbies until this ends. P.S. I like curious1's ideas, too! |
Tagurit | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 11:32 am     Thanks Curiouscat and Sureal for answering my question! I knew I would miss something when I watched with dh. I guess now it is up close and personal with their choices without the stuio audience. Should be interesting. Seems tonight alcohol gets a hold of them. lol Should be interesting with the toga party. I hope that Keith continues not to take crap from Toni and the crowd. Toni needs to see that not everyone takes her loud, obnoxious mouth without fighting back. I know I'll have to switch between this and BB tonight as dh wants to see who leaves. It was so much nicer when he was away. |
Djgirl5235 | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 11:52 am     I soooooooo love this show!!!! I head into the bedroom when it's on so that my darling bf who is sick to death of reality tv doesn't have to watch it... Well, what do I find last night as I come out after the show, but the credits rolling by on the tv in the livingroom!!! lol!!!! He's not taken by it yet, but he will be, oh he will be! Anyway, I am doing the snoopy today now that Zach's gone!!!! Good On Ya Keith!!!! Way to go! I love Dave & Charla - what a nice friendship they have going now. Tara reminds me so much of a girl I used to be friends with it's scary - I'm not sure if she'll keep her pact with Charla or not - I hope so since I don't want the rest of the clique to make it to the end. Kristin needs to go, but NOT before TONI!!!! Can we please kick her buggy eyed butt out of here?! Thanks! |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 12:02 pm     And to add to Curious1's idea... What if the new person had to choose a male and female to send home but they have to come from separate rooms... Then the guy/girl who chose bunks with the person of the opposite sex essentially leaving a oldie in a room alone... now that would be intersting, don'tcha think? I also agree that TPTB had to switch it up a bit so the oldies would stop sending home the newbies... I like that the incoming people now how some level of power. This is the first time that I can say Fox has not gone totally over the top in a Fox-ish manner with one of their shows! I LOVE IT! (so much more than BB... Could that be because we have invested more time in this show?? I don't know, but I like this one more...) |
Tashakinz | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 12:03 pm     After last night I'm going to have to dig out a tape and set up the vcr to record BB so I can go down to the basement and watch this - I hate to admit it, but PH is MUCH better than BB so far, I would actually shell out the $$ for the feeds whereas I'm content to be a live feed reader for BB. Thanks Surreal for the spoilers/recaps - helped with the couple of bits I missed. |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 12:36 pm     Here is my weekly plug for a wonderful blow by blow recap of what happened yesterday... It's a quick read and will fill in some of the details I was unable to give... http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article3411.art&page=1 Paradise Hotel, July 29: The Price of Power by Jeffrey Clinard -- 07/30/2003 Newcomer Keith is holding all the cards in this episode: he alone gets to decide the fate of one of the longstanding male guests. Everyone’s running around trying to predict what Keith will do, but Keith proves frustratingly hard to read. Will his decision tear the remaining guests apart? |
Curious1 | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 01:04 pm     sureal I like your idea for a twist too! Djgirl I agree about Tara, I said earlier I don't think she will stick with Charla, Dave and Keith. I just don't think she's strong enough, she seems to want to be with the "popular" prettier crowd. But I think the biggest factor to her breaking the pact and going with the others is that she really likes Beau and I think he will talk her into getting rid of Keith. It will basically come down to her having to pick Keith or Dave, which ever one Charla doesn't pick, or else the pack that Keith started falls apart. |
Laura11103 | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 01:59 pm     Realfan, I know, I couldn't believe Zack and Alex didn't wear thongs, you KNOW if Dave had lost the bet they would've made sure he wore the smallest thong they could find. This is so high school (but of course we love it), lol... |
Curiouscat | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 02:00 pm     Sureal, the Yahoo Platinum stuff sure sounds good. When they showed the Toni apologizing to Dave segment, did it seem she was drunk or not? One segment I'd like to see without the editting from last night's show is when Keith left the girls' table to go to the guys'. It seemed he may have been getting questioned about who he's choosing before the tv clip. Besides Keith, Scott seems like a nice guy, not too wound up in the game, and I'm hoping the new girl will pick him as a roomate, and Toni's outta there. Realfan, I agree with you about Tara's decision to oust Amanda when she chose Beau as following the clique mentality. I don't think she was dissed though with any of the questioning before she was chosen as a guest, nor was there veiled threats to her by the clique in comparison to Keith. My point is it would be better for the guests to "play nice" with the newbie instead. Zack really set himself up for the fall with his animosity towards Keith right from the start. At the beginning, I didn't want to watch this show, but the boyfriend did ... now I'm hooked, and he's going "I told ya so." We both agree we like this show better than Big Brother this year. He thinks Big Brother has run its course, with the houseguests already knowing game strategies from past shows, so it's not fresh/original anymore. |
Djgirl5235 | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 02:05 pm     Well folks, I'm outta here, but I just wanted to gloat about the fact that the channel that carries PH here in T.O., also carries BB, so they time delay BB for an hour so I don't have to miss a thing!!! I'll be watching PH at 9:00 and BB at 10:00, but flipping between the commercials!!! See y'all tomorrow!
Deej |
Curiouscat | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 02:19 pm     Djgirl, I'm lucky like you too with the scheduling, which is not surprising since I live in London, ON, eh [Right now I have MuchMoreMusic on TV in the background with the huge SARS concert in Toronto coverage.] I just found a short interview with Amanda. Hmmmm...she claims she only kissed Beau, the others were editted in. |
Auntiemike | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 04:37 pm     Curiouscat: I don't have your e-mail so will send this "publicly"...I was in your area recently (Guelph) and thoroughly enjoyed myself exploring your beautiful countryside!!! How fortunate you are to live there. |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 06:11 pm     Are you ready??????  WEDNESDAY NIGHT Highlights from last nights show... looks like after dinner conversation....toni arms around dave. amy wants to know why keith picked zack. he says he just wants to win the game. amy says how can you decide to choose a wonderful person and send them home... amy rants and rants on... keith asks amy to name one guy who deserves to go home before zack. she says that doesn't matter... okay, there is wayyyy tooo much neck rollin' going on right now from amy.... she is cursing and going "toni' on keith... let's see here... dave says why doesn't someone just say who they think should go before zack. alex then says will i did say that i wanted zack and scott to stay and the others don't matter... so then beau says so i don't matter, is that what you are saying? toni et al. were sitting very calmly during all of this... keith jumped up and said just stop it, stop it! y'all are acting like a bunch of three year olds... amy said if it is the last thing she does, she will make his life there miserable. |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 06:28 pm     we have a live audience (surprise, surprise) it was a fake out... amanda walked onto the hotel floor. she is bringing in the ladies who are vying for a spot... holly, 22, fine jeweler salesperson... tattoo girl... whitney, 28, physical therapist... she wants to take a swim in paradise hotel ladies both come out after video introduction ladies do not get to ask the questions since the boys have to make the decisions... they leave with alejandro. (but watch interviews on a tv) dave: holly you believe in love at first sight? do you see it now? she says no alex: which girl do you think you won't get along with and why? whitmey: charla she is not my tpye holly: amy because she doesn't like people coming in... (girls ask ????'s to the guys) holly: who do you not like the most? alex says charla because she is boring... keith says he can't say who because he doesn't think anyone likes him... who do they like? keith likes charla, thinks she is very nice... who is playing the game the hardest? dave: toni... one week she wants me out the next week she is all hugging up on me... don't know what she wants... (toni is bleeped out BIG TIME!) keith: i can't say.. i don't know them as well as the other women.. then goes on to say that this is a difficult time to come into... everyone is nice at first and then they change... ***fyi, amy was on a toni-esque curse fest each time keith's face or voice appeared on the screen. she truly hates the man... now the ladies ask ???'s to the contestants tara: your tatoos are so not original and what will you bring that is original? she says i don't know what... ramble ramble amy: will you come in and hurt us like keith did? holly: i will come in and try to get to know people and not hurt people on purpose whitney: well, everyone will have to get hurt in some way yada yada yada... |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 06:41 pm     the guys decide to bring holly to the hotel... before the selection -- amy says that whitney has 80's hair and needs a new 'do... kristin said she was going to be chosen because she had big boobs and the guys want more boobs... girls come down to welcome holly to "paradise" amy says keith took away the one person everyone looked up to the one people respected the most. he is selfish, and cocky... beau: why would you kick off someone who was so well liked... toni: if people are being nice to you it is only superficial... holly is listening to all of this and seems overwhelmed... keith, dave, charla talking... he can't believe their attitudes... charla wants him to stay... they need to work holly in a sincere way. keith tells charla she needs to work on tara. charla doesn't trust her in the game, says she has no backbone. tara tells holly that people will come to her and tell her who she needs to vote or you'll be kicked off...says that is not true... tara gets to go on two overnight excursions on and return in time for breakfast charla is working tara... says she needs to know where she stands. tara is with them...charla says if she is telling the truth then they have a chance...if she is lying then she (charla) is out first, then her (tara) but says holly has the overall say. holly chooses scott for her first date... |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 06:51 pm     time for holly and scott to leave after dinner... they are in a luxury suite area with their own private pool... alex and beau and amy (i think) throw the toga party... can't get in without a sheet and a drink... introduce each guest as they walk in... scott and tara drink some bubbly... they have a toga fashion show "competition" charla-patra afro-daviac krisinator empress tara-ble (showed her panties) tonius maxiumus (she flashed them) didn't catch keith's name dave won the men's comp (like keith would win... ) missed who won the girls comp -- sorry! scott and holly kissing in the pool.. tara licking whipped cream off of beau's body and mouth... |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 07:02 pm     scott had a good time with holly and thinks she is a cool cool girl... scott comes back to the men's table to talk holly is describing the room and the area... the guys asked if she is cooler than toni and they started laughing toni says they are on high alert... dave, charla, and tara want them out and that charla is spear heading it... toni can feel it in her stomach... charla thinks that it is great if they think she is an innocent... she will still play the game. the girls don't necessarily want her out but if someone has to go, it will be charla... charla says that toni said to her you always cling to the new people when they come in... she said what is my alternative, cling to you???LOL she thinks they aren't playing the game, charla thinks the other girls are just mean, mean, mean. she wouldn't treat anybody like they do... pretty much the end of the show!!! |
Surealityjunkie | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 07:05 pm     ****SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT**** PARADISE HOTEL WILL ON ONE DAY NEXT WEEK -- MONDAY!!! On the next show: Holly makes a move on Beau, friendships are tested and Charla pits the new arrivals against the originals... but will she break? |
Reader234 | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 07:07 pm     So if I get this at all, it would be great strategy if Toni and Amy wanted to make sure they stay, they would pick Dave and Keith right? Is there any strategy to this??? They keep saying its a game, who are they trying to convince/ |
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