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Seamonkey

Monday, July 07, 2003 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, of course there is editing and we can really only converse about what we are shown.

I'll be back later..

Jedisan

Monday, July 07, 2003 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I missed the begining of the show. Did Abe have to go?

Csnog

Monday, July 07, 2003 - 08:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It won't be long before Donell pushes more buttons on someone else. The way he reacted to the entire group during the marketplace challenge shows us that he cares only for himself. His moody ups and downs will be a problem.

Seems to me that verbal abuse should "NOT" be allowed anymore than contact abuse.

No one can tell me that they have never seen 2 young guys have a go at each other. Cara's reaction was childlike.

They were both to blame.

I also blame the producers for wanting to cast troubled people and film turmoil but then they think that would not be an interesting show.

I agree we did not see the why of the dislike of Abe by the cast.

The producers should float all the cast through "The Smoking Gun" before signing them on.

Abe was sent home.

Jedisan

Monday, July 07, 2003 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Csnog, I will have to remember to watch on one of the MANY replays.

Penpoint

Monday, July 07, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone above said that they couldn't understand why so many people were sympathetic to Abram (or words to that effect). It may have been the editing, but Donnell couldn't let any of it go even when Abram was apologizing to him. Donnell just kept egging him on and on and on--almost as though he wanted to be physically attacked so that Abram would be thown off the show.

The interesting thing to me about this whole situation is that Donnell has had trouble with the law both before and after the filming of RR--evidently he has been physically abusive to his girlfriend, or ex-girlfriend.

To me Donnell is vile. That doesn't excuse Abram's actions, but I think Donnell's were equally as bad.

Tishala

Monday, July 07, 2003 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh My Gosh, this episode made me cry so much I had to take my contacts out! When they showed the fight scene in slow motion, the look of utter hatred on Abe's face was palpable and, like the girls on the show, I just cried and cried because I had never seen anger like that before! It was horrible!

Sadly, I think Donnell will believe he has won something--and I guess he is right, because he outsmarted Abe by getting him to go too far--and he might be emboldened further. Even if that is true, though, tonight's episode showed me just how BAD that violence was and how it has no reward. I'm sure the group will move on and be stronger! And I bet some of the joy returns, as it did during the strip challenge.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 04:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
omg some men just shouldn't wear g-strings.

Sweetbabygirl

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 05:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ITA, Square!! As a big girl, even I know not to rock a g-string, lol!! Traumatic stripper viewing aside, I was not sorry to see Abe go....my attitude was, "Don't let the doorknob hit you on the ass on the way out!" Cara was a bit too overhyped though....can you say 'Drama Queen'?!

My problem with Abe started at the beginning of the challenge, when he would spout his moronic views on women. I don't buy that bullshizzle excuse of his being sheltered....surely while he studied pre-law, there was information at his fingertips regarding women (i.e., National Organization of Women, etc.) And to laugh it off when Cara, Mary Beth or Christina tried to tell him about it, well, now you have an idea why he was alienated from some of the team. I only hope that by the time he starts the RW/RR Challenge, his views will have changed....Coral will be along for the ride, and you all remember how she got on Mike when they were in New York!!

Donell - He will eventually do something that will send him home. Either that, or his weight may hinder some of the challenges.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 06:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yeah the girls acted like they've never seen a fight before, jeez. that was nothing, imo.

Max

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I give Donnell two more episodes before he's gone. Shall we start a pool? :)

Wonder how many more times he's going to bring up Abe and the whole messy incident? Wonder if he'll ever ever EVER realize the part he played in the whole thing and grow up? Wonder if they showed all of them the UNCUT tape or only the edited version we saw last night? (Not that it would or should change the outcome.)

Ladytex

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, now that Abe has been punished for his part, I'm ready for Donnell to go. He's something else ....

Laura11103

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was annoying how now Donnell is Mr. Good Guy to them. Like he did nothing wrong. Should be interesting to see the dynamics with the new guy they bring on. Donnell is someone who needs to have someone to make fun of, I wonder who's gonna be his next victim.

Tishala

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 09:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You are SO right Ladytex! He really is--and OMG about the thong!

I'm glad the rest of the group saw how horrible Abe's actions were and that they thought the actions were indefensible.

Brenda1966

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Laura -- Donnell needs to feel superior to someone, I wonder who his next target will be. I'd like to see him gone, gone, gone. When he was arguing with Abe he just kept insisting he was "right". Well, neither were right. They both were awful.

I agree Squared -- that was not much of a fight.

Avrey258

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Cara started crying I certainly didn't feel sympathetic towards her at all. Please, she made fun and taunted Abram more times than I can count. I hope she feels ashamed of herself after watching her own actions.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They didn't learn a thing, sadly. I have no respect for anyone (including MTV producers) except Christina and the third guy.

I still feel that violence is violence and that isn't limited to physical.

Yeah Abe didn't leave , kept coming back, but who was telling him he wasn't a man if he left?? Donnell.

I'm afraid this "solution" (of not finding them both culpable) doomed Donnell's girlfriend to more violence when he got home. Too bad when he was smugly saying what he did about never hitting someone that they couldn't flash up his mugshot (from BEFORE this incident..)

We need to learn from Columbine and the kid who is locked up today for alleged plans for another highschool massacre.. one of his fellow students was tallking about how this kid and his brother were teased and tormented and "they wouldn't stand up for themselves".. as if the tormenting was just fine and if the wimps wouldn't fight back then they deserved it..

Tormenting of people isn't right and it can produce a powderkeg and all too often people get hurt who weren't even the tormenters.

So Donnell feels he "won" and he's not letting it drop, and I was watching them all stand there and frankly, I think the two girls especially are intimidated by him.. so the solution of one of them is to "comfort" Donnell and kiss him on the cheek, reward..

One telling moment was after Abe was gone and Donnell was ranting about Abe having said (per Donnell) that he'd not be sent home for failing a mission.. so Donnell is gleeful that HE outlasted Abe.. wonder who will be literally pulling Donnell up the next time he needs to climb a ladder?? Won't be Abe this time.
Calling someone ignorant is exhibiting ignorance, IMO.


Anyway, Abe is gone and he should be gone.

New guy comes in.. but did it look like it was new guy blowing the next mission?? or did someone drop him??

Squaredsc

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 11:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
quick question, has donnell already gone to trial and been convicted?

Max

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, the Smoking Gun article seems to indicate that a court date is still pending. Donnel is quoted as saying that they did argue, but he didn't assault her. Then it ends with this glowing character-reference for him:

"Despite the incidents, Langham told TSG he is still dating Soper, though their relationship is "dysfunctional." But he acknowledged that one motive for staying together was to boost his chances at trial: "I kinda gotta also be with her to drop the charges. After this is all over I'm done with her." He concluded, "I won't do jail time on these. Community service and counseling is offered, but I'm not guilty so I won't take a deal."

Nice guy. NOT!

Here's the link: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/roadrules1.html

Pantageas

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"We need to learn from Columbine and the kid who is locked up today for alleged plans for another highschool massacre.. one of his fellow students was tallking about how this kid and his brother were teased and tormented and "they wouldn't stand up for themselves".. as if the tormenting was just fine and if the wimps wouldn't fight back then they deserved it.."

I agree with you Sea. But I'd like to add that as we look down disapprovingly on the tormentors, we also classify the picked-on kids who resort to violence as "deeply disturbed". Again, part of the reason I was shocked at the board's reactions to the fight. Call it a generational thing, but this old guy was somewhat bothered by the boards reaction; a little more satisfied by the one the cast themselves had...

Seamonkey

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 12:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I definitely never said anyone should resort to physical violence, just that verbal violence is ALSO not to be tolerated.

Yes.. the picked on kids who resort to violence we classify as deeply disturbed.. dogs who are teased and tormented and then bite are often put to death.. that makes it all the more tragic that those who tease and torment aren't reined in more quickly. Too bad they are often seen as expendable when simple human kindness might have prevented it all.

Generational? Old guy??.. uh, well.. all I can say is I'm old enough to be your mom.

Puttergirl

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What bothers me about your posts, Pantageas, is that you only condemn Abe and not Donnel. Donnel's actions are just as inexcusable. That's why people felt as strongly as they did. I see a h$ll of a lot more potential in Abe than I do in Donnel. I really wish MTV had done the right thing and sent them both home. Donnel is dangerous.

Speaking of Donnel, all 3 of the girls were swooning over the new guy when he came in. How is Donnel going to react to that. He was the center of attention and now it looks like he won't be. I don't think this new guy will take the kind of bullying that Abe did!

Tishala

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 01:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Putter, I respectfully disagree. I don't see potential in either of them, except potential as felons. I think, as I said earlier, that MVT has normativized verbal harrassment on RR and RW, so, while we can agree that Donnell exhibited bad behavior, it did not cross the line into violence, which the cast of the shows know is verboten. Yeah, Donnell has a rotton attitude and a big mouth but, unlike his former cast member, who spoke with his fists and racist rhetoric, Donnell didn't attack anyone.

I will wait until Donnell is convicted of a crime before I call him "dangerous" in any way except his mouth. My belief in the Constitution is strong enough that I can wait a few months to condemn someone.

Avrey258

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Donnell did a lot more than just "exhibit bad behavior". A lot more. They should both be gone from the show.

Keeping Donell basically excused his actions on the show as was shown in his behavior after Abe left. All of a sudden Donnell is boastful.
(c)

Puttergirl

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tishala, Abe's racist comment was wrong, but I don't understand why you think it was worse than Donnel's comments. Donnel had just got done making sexist and "redneck" comments to Abe. I really see a double standard in your comments. It is just as wrong for a black person to disparage a white person as a white to disparage a black. And Donnel had been doing it for weeks. Just before Abe blew up, Donnel was calling him Abigail instead of Abe to taunt him. So I totally disagree with your sentence- "Yeah, Donnell has a rotton attitude and a big mouth but, unlike his former cast member, who spoke with his fists and racist rhetoric, Donnell didn't attack anyone."

You are right, Donnel didn't resort to violence, but he did speak "racist rhetoric". I've watched the episode 3 times now and clearly heard every word Donnel uttered. In my opinion, it was just a racist as Abe's!!!!!!!!! BEFORE the cornbread remark, Donnel used the words "redneck from Montana".

Tishala

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No Putter, I have said that both were wrong. I have condemned Donnell's homophobic comments already, many times. In fact, I would also condemn Abe calling Cara a "b!tch" when he was talking to Christena at the beginning of the fight episode ["my friends would say I was dating a b!tch" etc]. I have no toleration for verbal assaults like either of those and if I were Christene, I would have said it was inappropriate to call Cara names like that, just as I would have said that it was wrong to call Abe a "b!tch," even though that was in a diary segment, not to another cast member.

I don't agree that the cornbread and the redneck comments are equal. You're welcome to have that opinion.

BTW, I was wrong previously: it wasn't that Abe left and came back two times, it was THREE times. And then he tried to come back again to fight some more. I'm glad the cast saw it correctly.