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Surealityjunkie

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey guys! I have passed by the hotel lobby computers for the past four days trying to get to a computer!!! The first day they were down, every day after that they were occupied (there are only two)... Anyhow, I just wanted to say hello and sorry I couldn't spoil! I am in Washington DC right now getting ready to batten down the hatches and experience my first hurricane -- while on vacation! How about that!!!

I have been watching the show (it was a priority for me) and couldn't believe last night's elimination ceremony... I was screaming when I thought Dave was leaving -- this is karma at it's best!

I haven't had time to read everyone's posts but I hope all is well. I will try and pop on later on today... It's crazy around here. All the little shops for food and snacks are closed. I found one place that is opened until noon, but my little crossiant shop -- Vie la France -- was closed! Wahhhhh!!!

See y'all soon -- I miss it here!!!

Crazydog

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, I agree, the way you can just bounce back and forth between people is stupid. I think it's stupid the way people are evicted as well. I knew right away that Melanie was going to be the odd person out. I also knew before the show aired that Tom would be odd person out. It's just so telegraphed as to who is going to be with who.

This show is apparently coming back next year, so I would think they should either change the rule and say that you can only be with someone twice and that's it during your entire stay. Or they should have some kind of competition between the two that are doubled up, loser gets evicted.

I thought it was stupid the way Beau was evicted. Of course Dave et al were going to stick together, and unless something happened to eliminate one of them, they can ride all the way to the end. I agree that the producers are just making this up as they go along.

And I thought I had heard that the "secret prize" was going to revealed last night. Still no idea what it is they are playing for.

Jasper

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know what killed me last night was Scott and his comment to Dave about how long Dave deliberated to pick Beau. What an ungrateful boob, he should just be happy Dave picked Beau. And Beau was pretty childish with his stab at trying to guilt Dave into keeping him. We all saw from the recap that Dave did not say he would never pick him off again. Even Amy seemed embarassed for Beau and his little rant.

On a positive note for someone I dislike on this show, Amy was pretty good with the baton, but rather disgusting with her eating habits, even Holly looked perturbed. I think Amy is a spoiled selfish person and can't understand why everyone believes she is so deserving to win, but can't we lay off the girl's complexion. I know several people who have/had bad acne and have scars and they are very self conscious of this. I know she is putting herself on display but there are plenty of other disturbing personal traits that she has.

Realfan

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The kick-off of Beau really did seem fixed. I definitely feel that if it hadn't been Dave (or Keith) in jeopardy, Amanda wouldn't have whipped out another secret envelope.

But in a way I don't mind, because they screwed with the Barbies before when they brought back the originals anyway. It's about time they let the power get even again.

I got a kick out of Charla's tarot reading. So, is this forshadowing, or what? She is on a higher level (we knew that!), and she is going to defeat her enemies! Hah! Kewl.

Scott is officially a horse's patootie. He was so snotty to Dave after Dave saved him! when he harrassed Dave about him taking so long to decide, Dave should have said "It was an important decision, I didn't want to rush it," or "I knew Beau would misunderstand." No kidding, either. Beau is such an idjit. Did he really thinkk Dave said he would protect him? Dave never agreed to protect his sorry butt. I hate his voice, and I am so glad he's gone. Again.

Tom said he was now "playing the game," but he didn't do anything strategic in terms of trying to find a female to watch his back. Of course, it's a little too late for that, the allegiances are so entrenched. I'll miss Smokey.

Funny how many people said "it's a game" and they were "playing the game" this episode. Maybe they finally bought a clue?

Charla's comment that Amy deserves to win . . . Unselfish of her, but I don't think so! Amy deserves to have her behind kicked back to AZ. Charla's been there just as long, and unlike Amy, she didn't have the protection and support of a half-dozen "friends." So I feel Charla deserves to win (like the Miss Spanish Cleo implied!).

I loved Charla and Tara painting and having fun. Now that the numbers are equal, they finally feel comfortable hanging out at the hotel again. Cool! Amy sure sounded jealous about the Bobsey Twins, didn't she? I guess Toni doesn't complete HER.

Speaking of which, I guess Amy kissed Toni, since apparently you can't have a relationship unless you kiss someone.

Also with fewer numbers, people are finally behaving more civilly to each other (except Beau and Scott toward Dave, of course.)

I'm glad this show is finally over. These people are really starting to grate on me--even the Barbies. But Amy takes the cake with her Drama Queen behavior--oh, poor Amy, she's so unhappy, so tired of being there. Gee, then why didn't you let Desiree stay last time? And we have yet another preview of Holly getting snotty with Tara. Enough already!!

I'm just tired of the whole thing. Either it's gone on a few weeks too long, or the rhythm's been off ever since they brought back the originals. That really ruined the dynamics of the show, IMO. Intrigue needs to stay secret to be intriguing.

Jasper

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan - loved your post. I think the injection of the originals and their venom is what threw this show right off. I'm looking forward to the conclusion of this as well.

Beachcomber88

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan and Jasper, I agree. This show went down the tubes once they decided to bring back the boorish OGs and their disgusting behavior. But Fox succeeded in getting what they want - namely an audience. Discussion of this show shot way up after the scum came back. Now I think they're trying to fix things, but it's all too contrived.

I also agree about Scott. The smug "Yeah, but you deliberated" along with a knowing head nod and stare-off into the distance. Who cares Scott? You're still there, right? Would you rather he booted your ass out of there? Honestly - I don't know how he can hold that against Dave.

I got the impression that Amy was trying to act like a five year old child at breakfast. The blabbering. The stupid noises. The weird holding of her spoon as she stuffed the cereal into her annoying pie hole. What she meant to accomplish, I'm not sure. Charla and Tara left the table, so maybe that's all she wanted. She and BB Ali have had me yelling at my tv all summer.

Auntiemike

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Scott has always puzzled me and now I've come to the conclusion he is the kind of person that sits on the fence. I think he is non commital in his relationship with Holly, he tries to stay out of the outrageous behaviors of the old timers, he is trying to bug Dave but not doing a very good job at it. I think he is wishy washy and will go with the popular flow...if that will allow him to stay in the game.

He sure seems to shy away from commitment!

Avrey258

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What I will never forget about Scott, when the originals returned and they were really harassing Dave and Keith, Scott just sat there and laughed. He always tries to hold himself up as some man of virtue but he is a passive bully.

I must have missed the scene for next week when Holly says something mean to Tara. Amy's eating habits were another one of her stupid and immature moments. I hope Charla's musings about Amy winning are just that. I got the feeling that they inserted that little bit to get us prepared for an Amy win. After all, if the evictees vote I don't see how Amy wouldn't win. If she's in the final that is.

Tagurit

Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I got to watch last night after all! We didn't lose power due to the hurricane until today.

Now, all I will say is ditto to Realfan's post as she, yet again, so very well described all that I felt with the show. Thanks Realfan! :)

Just4fun

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who does everyone think will be the winning couple in the end??? Someone posted that with only 3 couples left "one person holds the key to tonights elimination".Well, although you might think I'm crazy, I think the winning couple will be AMY & KEITH! Yes, I said Amy & Keith. If one person holds the key to elimination, I have a feeling it will be Amy as she is now the odd man out, having no partner. I feel because she is friends with Scott & Holly, and we all know how she feels about voting her friends off, that Holly will be safe. That leaves only Tara & Charla. Now, we all know that she can't stand these two Barbies, but her jealousy and hate is stronger for Tara. Also, on the last show she said that as weird as it might seem she now trust Keith more than Dave. Therefore, I think she will choose to room with Keith rather than Dave, and thereby, VERY VERY HAPPILY vote off Tara. Then, when it comes down to the evicted houseguest voting I think that the majority will want Amy to win no matter who she is coupled with. Well these are my thoughts!!! Does anyone else have any idea of who will win? Not, who you want to win, but who you think will win. My ultimate choice would be Charla & Keith, but no way will that happen!

Jan

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Who will win depends so much on how Fox changes the rules to suit the circumstances! :):)

So far they seem to be really bending the rules to protect C/T/K/D but now that they have gotten rid of the two who were brought back (Beau and Mel), they may decide to let the 4 stand on their own.

If that happens and there are no more rule changes, then it would seem likely that Amy would go this time...but who knows with this crew

I do think that, unless there are a few more twists, it seems logical that Scott and Holly will win. Assuming they make it to the final 4 and Amy does not, I can't see the originals not giving them the win.

I think we can all agree that the only way two of the Fab 4 can win is if those 4 are the last people left! In that case I think the orig would give it to Tara and Keith over Charla and Dave.

But I am sure Fox has a few twists left that will make all these musings a mere waste of breath!

Just4fun

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jan

I really think there will be a twist. I just can't see this not happening. Didn't one of the posts say that there is to be a stunning conclusion? I hope I'm wrong, but I have a strong feeling that Amy will be part of the winning couple.

Just for fun can we not start some type of poll to predict which two people everyone thinks will win?

My prediction is: AMY & KEITH

Auntiemike

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There has to be a reason Keith has been laying low recently. Maybe he is trying to fly under the radar and will be one of the final ones. Dave is sooooo playing the game; he is a definite threat and probably won't get to the end.

If there has to be an "original" in the finals, then let it be Charla. She has put in as much time as Amy and has had it rough too. I would HATE to see Amy win this.

Final: Charla and Keith

Tagurit

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 12:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is what I have been reading over at FOX's PH message board -

This will be the final roommate selection on the show. Amy picks Keith and since she had no one last week, no one can pick him. She is trying to get rid of Tara. Tara goes to Dave. Charla picks Scott to not let Dave have to pick. Holly goes to Scott but Scott picks Charla. So off Holly goes. But, before she goes she is in position to take out a couple. So, she picks Dave and Tara. That leaves Amy/Keith and Scott/Charla.

Why they are saying Scott would pick Charla over Holly has stumped me. I can't see it. Unless Holly gets on his last nerve. But for weeks now I have been reading on Fox message board it is Scott/Charla and Amy/Keith as the final two couples. I have also read equal posts saying either couple has won.

I am skeptical about what people are saying over there. But, heck, they were right about Melanie and Desiree leaving so who knows. We'll have to wait and see I guess.

DON'T FORGET IT IS ON TUESDAY 9/23!! No Monday or Wednesday show next week. It is two hours. I have read it is two shows back to back. So one of the shows would contain the final roommate selection. Then that will leave us with the final 10/1 show.

Dogdoc

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel sorry for Keith if he has to room with Amy. I too was annoyed with Scott when he complained to Dave that he took too long to pick Beau. Just when I was starting to like him a little. That was so rude of the 3 stooges to go to Dave's room and make fun of him after Charla's call. They think they are so cute. Ugh!

Just4fun

Friday, September 19, 2003 - 04:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tagurit,

If it really does turn out that the final two couples are Amy/Keith & Charla/Scott. I feel 99% certain the winners will be Amy& Keith. The majority of the guests that will be voting dislike Charla so much and at one time didn't they want to vote Scott off also? The way everyone has been saving Amy's a$$, why would they stop now? Plus, we mustn't forget that everyone has soooo much respect for Zack! ha ha ha. I would hate to see Amy win, but if it's the only way Keith can win, so be it!

Jan

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 07:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tagurit..well as you said, the PH message boards were right about Mel and Des so maybe they know. BUT I WILL HATE IT IF AMY WINS!!!!

Tagurit

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even though I like Keith, I don't want him to win if it is with Amy.

First, IMO, it would be the worst rigging of a grand prize for a reality show. The producers know that half the viewers like the Originals and half like the Barbies. The producers would be thinking - "why not make everyone happy and have one from both groups. Hey, wait, better yet, have the two win that absolutely hate each other. That should make both sides happy and add some drama." Wouldn't work for me.

Second, I don't want Amy to be rewarded for the horrible person she was or played on this show. She is a nasty, terribly mean person. That kind of behaviour shouldn't be rewarded. AND, just think, the money she wins she would share (or at least buys things for) the love of her life - Zack! Yuck again! That would be two horrible people being rewarded. If Amy wins with any pairing, I will be extremely disappointed and wouldn't be in a rush to tune in if there is another Paradise Hotel.

If what I am reading is true on the Fox message board regarding the last two couples, I would have to hope that Scott/Charla win.

Auntiemike

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Tagurit. I don't think I can stomach Amy winning anything with anyone! I would much prefer a Scott/Charla win, even though I am not enamored with Scott either.

I think PH is a good concept (lots of drama) but needs some fine tuning if they expect a loyal audience for another one.

Kady

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hate the fact that the show is on Tuesday this week. I will have to miss it. But if those spoilers are right, I don't think I want to watch anyway. :(

Shortnsweet

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 06:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the spoilers are right. They are just wanting Amy to stay and they are trying to think of ways that she could stay and win. The Mel and Desi boot was shown in the previews; people had vidcaps of it; I have not seen any video or other evidence about Keith and Amy being teamed up.

Kappy

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 06:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When Tom picked Dave, as much as he was disappointed, Dave was gracious about accepting it which was not at all surprising considering his character. And then Dave picked Beau and what did we witness? A childish temper tantrum, plain and simple, which for Beau was no surprise either considering his lack of character.

When Amy laid in bed crying and feeling sorry for herself at being alone without her friends, I couldn't help but think how Charla has felt that way since week one because of how Amy and the others treated her. But then with Amy's lack of character and compassion, I have no doubt this will never occur to her.

I've rooted for Dave but now I think he is overplaying the game at this point and it will backfire.

Scott? He rode to the end simply by not doing anything - including not helping any of his friends to stay. I can't help but wonder if the originals will sit back a bit and realize how little Scott did to help keep any of them there with him. I think his attacks on Dave are too little too late - at least if the originals had any brains with which to think about that. Oh wait - did I just suggest that any of the originals might actually think with their brains? LOLOLOL - sorry!

I would like to see Keith and Tara win simply because I like them as a couple. And considering how shallow this whole show is to begin with . . . that alone should be a good enough reason for them to win it all!

The producers of this show are so obviously flying by the seat of their pants. I want their jobs! How does one apply for their kind of job? Is it strictly a matter of having moneyand where do I apply?

Auntiemike

Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I keep thinking that this coming Tuesday we will see the end of PH but, alas, the finale is Oct. 1st! I would really like to put this to rest and know who wins.

I've found myself way more involved in this show than in BB4. And, thank goodness, Survivor has started. Fortunately I don't get cable channels or I'd be a wreck trying to keep up with all the "reality" shows on.

Please let Amy disappear this week!!!

Maryk

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 02:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bump :)

Tonight's the 2nd to the last show. Finally the marathon of a show is about to end! Hoping still that 2 of the Fab 4 are the winners.

Ladybug007

Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 02:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
VIEWERS 5.6 million on Mondays, 6.6 million on Wednesdays

WHAT HAPPENED Fox's perversely addictive fleshfest unleashed a rotating cast of 11 sexed-up singles in a private hotel, with the purpose being...well, we're still not exactly sure.

WHY WE'RE SPLIT There are many different definitions of paradise, but none of them ever included backstabbing, bawling, and near constant ego brawling. At least not until now. And while ratings weren't great, viewership skewed young, so don't be shocked if ''Hotel'' reopens next summer.

LASTING CONTRIBUTION TO THE GENRE Another show besides ''Queer Eye'' where men could study the fine art of chest waxing.