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Muse

Monday, January 06, 2003 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did I miss something? What *started* the argument between David and Puck?

Lots of self-righteousness going on this season, IMO. Everyone is talking about what is "right" and "fair" for voting people off, and condemning others if they see things differently. Eh. I was sort of grossed out by how everyone seemed all "Yay, Puck!", but hated David. I thought both of them were out of line. I give Puck some credit for having *some* self-control (unlike David - although the spitting should indeed have been grounds for removal from the game, IMO), but his overall personality hasn't changed since his season of RW.

And I don't see why people were okay with voting off Beth last season, but are upset about Julie going. Both were voted off for pretty much the same reasons - that is, several people didn't like them.

Max

Monday, January 06, 2003 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They didn't show what started the Puck/David squall. They just said that there was a history of them having squabbles and then making up. Apparently they have some sort of convoluted friendship in RL.

David still seems to have "issues" and a need to control his anger. Puck seems a lot more grounded (at least in this episode), but still the drama queen who needs constant attention from everyone around him. He was just slightly less rude than I've seen him before, but from the previews, that certainly looks like it will change for the worse.

The definitely seem to have cast this hoping for a Jerry Springer version of the show. Looks like they might get it.

Muse

Monday, January 06, 2003 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Colin of Real World Hawaii has posted some interesting commentary up on his website here: http://www.colinsworld.com/real_world/?page_id=6

David was apparently more out of control than what we saw. Kind of scary when someone seems worse than Puck. :) He also makes some comments about another reason why Melissa doesn't like Julie: Julie and her mom tried to swindle Melissa for money. I guess her mom has a history of calling Real Worlders to offer help and guidance as a friend. When they accept, she helps get them booked for college speaking engagements....but overcharges the school, gives the RW-er less than they should get, and keeps the rest. If that's true...well, I understand why Mike and Coral don't seem too impressed with Julie in their chat.

Max

Monday, January 06, 2003 - 09:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
THanks for the link, Muse. That was an interesting read. :)

Misslibra

Monday, January 06, 2003 - 10:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Melissa said on the show that they had been doing college speaking engagements, and behind Melissa's back Julie told the school she would speak for far less then Melissa would and they should hire Julie to speak instead of Melissa. I didn't know Julie's mother was involved too. I didn't think it was necessary for Melissa to confront her on the show about something that had nothing to do with the show. But I guess that is what MTV wanted high drama right of the bat.

And David he looked rather sickly or something to me. Something about him just didn't look right. I wonder if he does have a problem with drugs. I also think David wanted a excuse to leave, and use that fight with Puck to do so. JMO But I will say I can understand him going off on Puck for spitting in his face. That is bodily fluids and with Aids the last thing you want is someone spitting in your face. I think that was a very low blow on Puck's part. Puck should keep his nasty spit in his mouth. But I'm not surprise coming from Puck. I couldn't believe he was going to let David spit in his mouth just to stay on the show. Can you say GROSS! And desperate!

Those photos of the cast look great BTW.

Seamonkey

Monday, January 06, 2003 - 11:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Puck has always been about grossness.. seems like he should have been gone (and if Colin is right, David as well).

And as usual, Puck sucks all the energy out of any room or world he's in..

If Julie's mother is scamming people, maybe they should settle that in court? Voting off one of the more competitive team members (Julie) seems a lame way to start.. oh well.. Melissa will undoubtedly implode in time).

It is pretty sad that some of these people still don't seem to have a real life, even from season one..

I wonder who Puck is marrying? He married that girl in San Francisco (long brownish hair) and DAvid E kept referring to Puck's wife.. so who is the one he's marrying on this show? Can we say media wh*re? Getting married TWICE on MTV??

OH well.. I'm never gonna like Puck.

See ya next week :)

Babsbunny3

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 05:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't see much difference between David and Melissa. Melissa was such a complete drama queen and that screeching was really nasty. I have to say whether or not you like Julie...I can't remember ever seeing her treat someone like Melissa was treating her. Melissa came off like a 6th grader--and thats an insult to most 6th graders I know.

As for the situation with David, I don't know what I'm really talking about here...but isn't spitting into someones face actually illegal in some states? I thought it was an assault of some sort in some states. Spitting in someones face is very, very bad. Very bad...
Many look at the situation and see David pacing, yelling, pointing, yelling, coming back to the situation over and over just yelling and yelling. I can't help but think there was *much* edited out...and because David was so LOUD I do believe Puck had every opportunity to be passive-aggressive...I fully believe Puck was passive-aggressive, and therefore we never saw the instigation. Passive-aggressive behaviour can be really nasty...for the exact reason that others in the room may not realize who the real culprit is...

I was sorry to see such an amazing competitor as Julie get voted off, just to please one of the lipstick and blow-dryer girls.

Last, I'd like to say how disappointed I was to see that MTV did not say a word about Michelle at the end of the Extreme Challenge re-run. Rest in Peace, Michelle, it was good/sad to see you last night in the reruns.

Weenerlobo

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 06:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anybody know when this will repeat this week? I'm sure MTV has to show it again. I missed almost all of it and only caught part of the Puck/David argument.

Azriel

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I personally thought that David AND Puck should have been thrown off the show and two other Real Worlders substituted for them. I'm sure there are other RWers that would have jumped at the chance to fly down there on a moments notice and compete for money and prizes.

I don't think it was right that they had people on the show that had been thrown off of previous shows for violence and/or inappropriate behavior. I was really disgusted that the producer was going to allow the tradeoff of David spitting in Puck's face.

I REALLY REALLY can't stand Puck and I want him banished from my TV. I always enjoy the RW/RR competions and he is putting a real damper on this one for me.

Draheid

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Weenerlobo: Scanning the listing information on my Tivo, I see the following schedule:
DayDateTimeLengthDayDateTimeLengthDayDateTimeLength
Tue01/071:30PM1:00Tue01/0710:30PM1:00Wed01/087:00PM1:00
Thu01/094:30PM1:00Fri01/1010:00PM1:00Sat01/119:30AM1:00
Sat01/116:30PM1:00Sun01/1211:30AM1:00Mon01/138:00PM1:00
Mon01/139:00PM:30Tue01/141:00PM1:00Tue01/142:00PM:30
Thu01/165:30PM1:00Thu01/166:30PM:30Sat01/189:00AM1:00
Sat01/1810:00AM:30Sat01/1812:00PM1:00Sat01/181:00PM:30

All times are Central Time Zone. Add 1 hour for Eastern time
My guide is only current through the 17th with part of the 18th currently loaded. Unfortunately, the description for each episode is not detailed so I have no idea which is repeats and which are 'new episodes'. Hope this helps.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
muse thanks for the link. that was great. very insightful. and icky.

Weenerlobo

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Draheid - thank you! You are sooooo coool. No wonder you have your own fan club . . ..

Grooch

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Muse, thanks for the link.

They both should have been kicked off the show. And Colin is sooooo right about a bus ticket to hell.

Seamonkey, I was wondering about the whole Puck/wife thing myself.

I think it is Emily who is going to be the one who votes herself off.

That was so sweet about Dan and the ion immunity.

More thoughts later.

Lurkin

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Puck is still Ugh Puck,the thought of him as a father is scary. I do give him credit for some restraint, but Ugh Puck. I agree Puck & David should both be gone with replacements, especially after reading Colin's report.
Should Gladys be doing this physical stuff in early pregnacy????
Plastic surgery count, Melissa, Ruthie, Amaya, seeing lots of new noses?
I wonder if they have a hard time getting people to do this with so many repeats. But I really enjoy this show.

Laura11103

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 09:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alright well that show sure did not disappoint.

Melissa should've just ignored Julie, she was very mean and I felt bad for Julie. I actually never liked Julie before but this time I did, being that she was abused right from the getgo.

As for Puck and David. I HATE David and think he's a lunatic. He was such a jerk I couldn't believe it. He took no blame at all for provoking and verbally abusing Puck. Puck spit in his face but he was drinking something I think, it looked more like one of those things you accidentally do, like spit out your drink. I know he did it on purpose but David was being verbally abusive and trying to provoke Puck. Remember, he said that was exactly what he wanted him to do. He was gonna provoke Puck until he did something. Why couldn't David just get over it and shake hands like Puck was trying to do? David was a troublemaker in his RW season, and he's not changed at all. He actually made Puck look like a victim.

I was very happy to see Puck change for the better. Yeah he's still Puck and can be annoying, I know he's the same guy that didn't care about anyone and treated Pedro like crap, I hated Puck back then, but I like him now. I hope to see him do okay. I was so happy that he didn't get thrown off. He looked like he was gonna cry when John Murray told him he had to go. Also, if Puck was so bad, why did everyone stick up for him? David was so crazy he seemed dangerous so I was glad he left.

I think Ellen's gonna be a PITA this season.

I was happy to see David (from Melissa and Jaime's season) come off very lucid and easy to get along with. He was trying to make peace b/w Puck and David. I always liked him but just thought he was a bit difficult, I think he's gotten a lot easier to deal with.

I see there are a lot of Puck haters. I don't blame anyone, I hated him as well at one time, but I was so happy to see him talking w/ Shane and Jisela and talking about his past behavior and how he's changed. Of course whether it's true or not is yet to be seen but I'm feeling good about him so far.

Grooch

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Laura, I was hoping Puck might have changed also, but did you see him with the limp wrist and mocking Dan when the girls gave Dan the ion. I thought, there is the old Puck.

Also, go read Colin's website at the link that Muse posted. A lot more went on than they showed.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i didn't see all of the new orleans rw, but i didn't care for julie or melissa. don't care for david(the spitty one) and puck either. i think the producers put them on the show for drama. and thats exactly what they got. puck being a family man now does not redeem himself to me.

i also want to add that there are some very fine specimens of the male annatomy, translation, those dudes were fine as a mf.

Grooch

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Square, the spitty David was from RW2 in LA> He was thrown off because... well, it's a very long story, but he had a bad temper than and it still hasn't changed.

The David trying to broker the truce with him is NO David. (Otherwise known as "Be my Baby Tonight David"

Azlen

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I posted this earlier in the thread but if you want to read about the rumors of what happens to Puck then follow this link

http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/w/20020816/102948732000_1.html

Grooch

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I hope Julie wasn't his favorite girl. Otherwise, that means David comes back.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 10:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
thanks grooch. the NO david is fiiinnneee.

C1mag

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am hooked! This one is good. You can feel the tension! Would love to know what the real problem is between good ol Puck and David. They stole the show last night that is for sure. David was buggin out! Was he that bad in the RW? Great slop for this viewer cause I ate it up!

Now as for Mel and Julie.... I actually get where Mel is coming from. It appears that in Colins little recap that he does aknowledge that Julie and her Mom are swindlers. I don't know about anyone else here but if I had been financially shafted by someone and that person was in my presence I would take every chance to screw them over and that is just what Mel did. Good for her! She stoped the swindler from making even one dollar this time. Like they say.."Paybacks are a b@tch! As far as I'm concerned Julie had one hell of a nerve even showing up.

Now on with the show! So far this one is the best of the current running reality shows.

Grooch

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But if she swindled money from every real worlder except Theo (as Colin says), why is Melissa the only one upset?

It makes no sense to me.

Azlen

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder what the whole story is with Julie and her mom because if they had truly swindled people then they should have been arrested and thrown in jail or at least a lawsuit or two. My guess is that she signed them as an agent and probably charged more than they were expecting because they never read the contract.
Melissa's explanation about Julie bad mouthing her to steal jobs from her sounds more realistic, but I am guessing that it was probably Julie's mom who did the bad mouthing rather than Julie.

But finally, is there truly a market for ex- reality show cast members on the lecture circuit? What could they possibly have to say that would be worth paying for?
People are warped but then again that's why we watch these things.

C1mag

Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 12:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
New article from Melissa. This is her side of the story so make of it what you will. Hope this link works...

http://www.mtv.com/onair/rwrr_challenge/battle_sexes/melissa.jhtml

I didn't get that Julie and her mom actually swindled all of them. What I got was that they were all fully aware of how crooked they are and that they just say keep away from the Stoffers ( Julie and her mom) Who's to say that others were not as angry with her but decided to say nothing about it and focus on the game? Melissa is a bit of a drama queen so it would make sense that she would lose it! I still understand her anger over the situation and I probably would have gotten Julie voted off as soon as I could if I was that angry with her as well.

I guess in Colins recap he says that there was an attempt to swindle. So I guess they were caught before she got financially screwed. However, I think her issue about the lecture circuit is legit as well. I guess that the school did say that Julie painted a negative image of Mel.