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Halfunit

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 07:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In theory it would work Reader, but I don't think that will happen because they both loathe Keith and don't like Dave...

I think Charla has it down right now... convince the newbies to come over to their side and when it is the new person's time to pick a roommate, pluck off one of the "popular" guys/girls...

The thing of it is, they will all start to turn on each other (which should be REALLY good) when people are eliminated with no replacements to leave a last person standing...

Curiouscat

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That was an excellent show! Reader, that would be smart strategy, but I don't believe Toni and Amy can think rationally with their hatred of Dave and Keith to come up with that though. The show could throw in the wrench again by saying the guests cannot pick who they are already rooming with and get the result you are talking about as well. We didn't get to see which guy Holly picks for the second part of her romantic getaway. Did I see something in the preview about Holly making moves on Beau? I'm "if-y" about Tara and Holly's alliance with the new people. Didn't it seem convenient that suddenly it dawns on Toni that Keith, Dave and Charla have an alliance, and cut into that segment is Toni talking one-to-one with the camera. Seemed pretty shady to me. I guess this Monday only show next week will just be an hour...dang. I'm probably forgetting other stuff, but I'll be back tomorrow to read everyones' posts.

Editted in: I wrote this before seeing Sureal's post about Reader's strategy idea :)

Curious1

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 08:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really think that Holly will chose whatever roommate it takes to send Charla home next week. The reason I think this is because of the previews. The previews for last weeks show actually showed Beau really breaking down and crying, that to me really strongly suggested that Amanda was going to leave and he was really tore up about it. This weeks previews show Charla with the tears just running down her face and she is in the same clothes that another preview showed her in at the eviction ceremony. I don't want this to be true because Charla is my favorite but I really think it is the case. I'll keep my fingers crossed that I'm wrong.

Realfan

Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 11:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Poor Charla!! I don't want her to go home. If Holly chooses to boot her, I will dislike her immensely. But I feel that both she and Tara still want to be part of the "cool gang"--urgh. Like that means anything. I think it's so cool that Charla does her own thing, and is an independent thinker. She's much prettier than the other "in" girls anyway. Both Toni an Amy have wide mesomorphic builds (heavy waists), and MAN, was Amy as ugly as Toni tonight in her snide nasty "woman scorned" mode. She has no class whatsoever. Filthy mouth, too. All she did with her constant sniping was prove what a poor loser she is, as well as completely self-centered. Shameful. I loved that Keith asked who he should have chosen. It seemed like Beau briefly got a clue that he would have been toast if the in-girls had had their way, but he isn't clueful enough to try to save himself.

And Toni?? When one of the other guys said she was playing the game, she was fine with it. When DAVE said it, she went ballistic!! Does she even get how contradictory this makes her? Does she even care? (Don't answer that--in her head, it's "Toni's World" and we're "Welcome to it." Blech. Rescue me.)

I don't get how Keith, Dave, and Charla can be safe if they get "one other girl" on their side. How does that make them safe? If Holly wants to boot Charla, all she has to do is choose Dave.

Realitynut

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 03:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow - was that a good episode or what? I can't believe Amy. She's actually scary now. Maybe even worse than Toni. She's awfully brave now that Zack is gone. If she acted like that when he was still there, he probably would have beaten her. I can't believe how typical this is. Eliminate the abuser and the victim goes crazy. She makes me sick.

I am loving me some Keith. He and Dave are the only one with the guts to stand up to those stupid women.

Tagurit

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great show last night! I totally agree with you Realitynut! I have wanted Toni gone for awhile but now I want Amy gone. She was just crazy last night. She showed her true colors in that she is insecure, has low self-esteem and is jealous. IMO I think that is why she was with Zach. He gave her the attention she needed (no matter what type it was) and she was in with the "cool" crowd. I don't like Toni but she is really her own worst enemy. If she reflects, after she blows up, she has got to see what an awful person she looked like. I don't believe Amy will see anything wrong in the way she behaved.

I just don't get the mentality of how these people think. Why do they think the new people owe them anything? Why do they feel they are untouchable? I thought Keith had a great question with which guy they wanted gone. Dave always knew they wanted him gone but Beau got a definite wake up call. The other thing that drives me nuts is when Toni was doing the one on one with the camera, she seemed to be explaining that it was ok for her group to play the game but not so for Charla and her group. Give me a break!

I would also like to know if Toni went off on Beau too and due to editing we just saw her scream at Dave, yet again. I figured she would blow as she most likely saw it that they were painting a target on her with the new ones.

Should be good Monday! (How am I going to just deal with one show next week?!?!) I really hope it is just editing to make us think Charla is the one going. One can only hope it is Amy or Toni instead. :)

Spwisc

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I totally agree with you Tagurit, I've hated seeing Toni blow up over and over at Dave but last night with Amy acting like a twin sister of Toni, it made her look like such a twit. I wish Keith would've just said right away in the group, about everyone threatening him to get out Dave or Beau and he didn't feel like bowing to them. He let crazy Amy get in his face too much. I never thought she was pretty (or Toni for that matter) but last night she turned horribly ugly in my eyes.

I too hope its just editing showing Charla crying so much. If she leaves.. ahhhhhhhh, I just do not want to see Toni or Amy stick around much longer.

Does anyone know what the prize is in the end????

Surealityjunkie

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
>>>(Don't answer that--in her head, it's "Toni's World" and we're "Welcome to it." Blech. Rescue me.)

LOL, Realfan!

Here's some wishful thinking for us Charla Supporters -- what if she is teary eyed during the roommate selection process because someone -- like say Toni or Amy -- are cussing her out royaly because of what "she has started" now she, like Keith, have H-E-double toothpicks to pay for this, and if she thinks FOR A MOMENT that she is going to have fun for the rest of her stay, as long they are concerned, SHE IS SADLY MISTAKEN!!! What is sad is that at this point, I can see that coming from Amy, Toni OR Kristin!!!

On a side note, I apologize for the skiddish recap last night. I was sooo taken with the cursefest at the table between Amy & Keith, and then the confrontation that I literally stopped typing and just sat there in shock...:):)

If Dave and Keith can get it together, they should try and talk Beau over to their side since he is on the chopping block of the cool people as he found out on last night's show... Now that would be some good entertainment!!! :)

Surealityjunkie

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone know what the prize is in the end????

Spwisc -- We don't think the series creators know what the prize is at the end!!! This is one of the best kept secrets since Trista chose Ryan!!! LOL!

Did any of you catch Amy tell the group that she had been keeping things in (ala Toni) and now she was going to just let it all out?!?!? The bitterness was just unbelievable everytime Keith showed up on the screen. I would love to see what it is like in their room at night... I wonder if Keith sleeps with one eye open and pots on a string around his bed...

Spwisc

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They should show them in the room at night, I'm wondering though if Amy is sleeping elsewhere?

If Charla was crying because of elimination, what could've happened? Possibly the rules changed where you had to pick a roomate that you've never roomed with before? I hope not because I really want to see Amy and Toni leave before Charla. Kirsten is like non-existent. Anyone who sleeps with over 40 men is just plain gross!

Realfan

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Charla was crying after being eliminated because it looked like she was sitting in a room or on a bed, and if she'd just been eliminated, she'd be gone. Also, I don't think she'd let them see her cry! (Just a feeling I have. She's a pretty private person.) Also, they rarely highlight who is leaving so blatantly. I think the other girls turn on her publicly and call her names and get in her face, and that's why she retreats for a good (private) cry.

ITA about Dave and Keith talking Beau to their side. But again, I don't see it happening. Beau may not want to be "involved" in the palace coup. Speaking of which, what took Toni so long to buy a clue?? (about Charla, Dave and Tara "plotting" to overthrow the queen?). Did she really think they were content to remain second-class peons? what a tremendous EGO.

Mswolfe

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I want to especially thank SUREALITYJUNKIE for posting the recap of Wed nights show. I missed it and was so mad, I knew that it would be a good one.

Thanks again!

Curious1

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, you are right the one scene they showed of Charla crying is with her sitting on a bed crying BUT there is another scene where she is standing up and tears are streaming down her face. Also there was another scene of the elimination and you can see Charla in the background wearing the same clothes as in the scene where she is really crying and her lip is quivering.

I really hope that she isn't gone next week. And I agree that Keith and Dave need to approach Beau. BUT that still won't make a bit of difference for Charla because if Holly falls into the "in" crowd's intimidation she will send Charla home. It really all has to do with what Holly does, it doesn't matter how many people Dave, Keith and Charla are able to pull over. (getting another girl doesn't benefit Charla but it does help Dave and Keith since they need two girls in order for both of them to even have a chance at staying).

The only twist that I can see happening is that Holly isn't allowed to choose last, and that they aren't allowed to choose someone they've roomed with before. That would mean that Charla's only pick is Keith and if Tara chooses him she will have to choose someone else in order to save Tara. But you know that if she is forced to not choose Dave or Keith she is a gonner.

Tagurit

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, I was thinking that too about Charla. I am only going by memory but when they showed Toni crying (her typical act for elimination night) it was the type of lighting for elimination. For Charla it was a lot brighter in the background. I am wondering if they had a Pandora's Box session and they ripped her apart.

I agree with those that think Beau would be a good addition to the Dave/Charla group but I doubt he would jump ship to their side. I guess it would depend on how much he liked Tara. I would be quite surprised if he did join them.

I doubt Amy would even step foot in the same bedroom as Keith. She'll most likely bunk with Kristin/Alex or Toni/Scott and badmouth him the whole time.

Reader234

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
THanks for talking me thru this! I cant believe I'm watching ANOTHER reality show!!! LOL, and thanks also for reminding me of the dread "edit" job!! Nother 'dumb' question... if they have to chose 'another' roommate why couldnt Charla chose Keith? and I thought that one of the things the guys were looking at when questioning the girls was their take on watching the show so far... I thought Holly seemed much more "naive" than the blonde... but who knows?!! I wonder if it could possibly be part of Holly's strategy to stay away from the "new"(uncool?) people, that way sparing herself some of the verbal attacks Toni and Amy are flinging at Keith. Thanks also for the preview, I love to figure things out too, put in different possible scenarios!! (esp if I can make one that makes sense "to me"!!)

Oh, and i couldnt agree more surereal about listening to that "fight" if that isnt verbal abuse!! It was amazing, they (editors or producers) seem to be pushing this envelope...

Curious1

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You know I just thought of something. Getting other people in to the Dave, Keith and Charla alliance really doesn't help them much right now UNLESS it is the new person. The new person has all the power and everyone else is absolutely powerless. The only way it helps is that the more people who are on your side the more people there are to try and win over the new person.

Dave, Keith and Charla could turn the game around by gaining people and thus making them the "in" crowd. If only they could recruit Holly this week maybe she could help them recruit Beau (and possibly Scott cause I think he really wants rid of Toni). So then it would be Dave, Keith, Beau, Charla, Tara and Holly with Scott as a neutral. VS. Amy, kristen, toni and Alex. That way when the new people come in there is a new "in" crowd.

Surealityjunkie

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, If I recall correctly, I think the crying segment some of Charla's supporters are speaking of is when she has tears rolling down her face while she is standing. It looks like it is during the roommate selection time just because of the camera shot they used... She looked visibly upset about something. That's why I am thinking that somebody was yelling at her. It doesn't seem like she would be upset by a "betrayal" choice from Holly. There isn't a female, that I can think of, that could be sent home and cause her to be upset.

When the voice-over (at the end of the show) asks can Charla handle the pressure, that's when I saw her crying again, but this time it was a night vision camera shot... I wish I didn't like this show so much because I want to know what happens on Monday show right now!!!

Curiouscat

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I love reading everyones' ideas one what's happening! I'm not too sure about Beau myself because he seemed to get a clue when Alex said to Keith, we told you we wanted [himself] Zack and Scott to stay. But Beau then seemed to back off and go with the clique again. He was part of the Toga hosts - Beau, Alex and Amy - so he's still hanging with them with seemingly no hard feelings, even after they got on his case recently too. My guess about Charla crying may be a Pandora's Box that is about due. I wish they'd have Monday's show an hour and a half or two hours.

Curious1

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Surreal I know what you mean! I can't wait until Monday, it's killing me! Maybe it's good this show doesn't have live feeds because I would never get any sleep LOL.

Seanflynn2003

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One thought for the final winner -- the public votes on what couple wins

Oh to see the faces on the in group if the public voted Dave/Charla or a couple that included Keith!

Avrey258

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Does anyone know why the show is on Monday? And only one night next week?

I record this show and watch it the next morning. I am forced to tape it because of the "whispering" that goes on. Once I had my volume up to its maximum potential just to hear a conversation correctly.
Of course I still have to rely on the mute/closed caption for some things. I practically blasted my family out the door so it's easier for me to watch it when there isn't anyone else around. I have extremely good hearing but those girls talk so fast.
Anyhow, Amy was so over the top last night. She couldn't even appreciate nu-girls date recap without mouthing..."boring". Wow, this new Amy is freaking me out. She must be taking lessons from Toni. Sometimes I wonder if Toni is putting on an act. She is way to dramatic for me. Best part of last nights show for me was when the girls were listening to prospective nu-girls questions.

Realfan

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am shocked! There's a "Bring back Zack" petition on the net at http://www.scumbo.com/zach/ (I think it may be a joke, it's hard to tell!).

Some of the entries hate Zack, and this one made me laugh so hard I had to share it:

<<1064. (signed by) O.J. Finally, there's a couple on TV who exemplify how domestic abuse is a function of love, and the PC police have to run them off.>>

BWAH!!!

Beware, though, if you sign it and are anti-Zack, your number may count in their tally and they may delete your comment.

Still thinking about my Charla Barbie and hoping she's OK next week!!

Surealityjunkie

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 01:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Y'all to this day whenever I think of the phrase, "Game on, Yahtzee!" I bust out laughing like I am right now... To me, that's the PH version of "It's awwwwwwn," or "I'm so pi&&ed right now!"


GAME ON, YAHTZEE! (That's my new signature! :))

Surealityjunkie

Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I am turning off the Kobe Bryant hearing long enough to listen & watch the previews for the next show to see if we can get some clues... (I am watching with my closed captioning turned on.)

So we know that Charla is the next victim on the "in-crowd" girls list since they toasted to it...

Keith loves the fact that the girls are squirming right now and they have Never, ever, ever done that before...

Toni says that if she is the next to go fine, but if she isn't someone's in a lot of trouble (eye wink from her.)

Next week:

Holly makes a move on Beau -- looks like she is chosen for the one-on-one overnight date...

Old friendships are tested... Toni saying to Scott, I wouldn't come to you because you wouldn't keep me...

Pandora's Box to Toni: Do I think you three are out to get me? Definately. (Charla, Dave, & ??)

goes on to say Charla is leading the way for Toni's ousting...

But I really watched this to see where Charla's tears are taking place and it looks like she is on the patio during the roommate selection ceremony. I could see tree leaves in the background of each lady. Charla looks like she is standing in front of a white column and leaves...

As far as the show coming on one night next week... on Tuesday, the only thing I can see is that it would be up head-to-head with Cupid on its new night & time and what looks to be the last night of Last Comic Standing. Wednesday night is the Teen Choice Awards Show.

GAME ON, YAHTZEE!