Archive through August 27, 2003
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Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 03:46 pm     Kitt - Neil Patrick Harris was the actor that played Doogie Houser. |
Madelane | Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:57 pm     Ah! Yes I now remember Dan from Lost. He had me fooled, that's for sure. Not only did I not recognize him from Lost, but I was sure he was gay. I thought the guys were just supposed to pretend to be gay, not to act "gay" like that. Makes me think he's more of a jerk for doing the stereotypical things like crossing the legs and the hand and all. At least the other guys were themselves. And none of the true gay guys did all that stuff! If none of you watched Fame then you didn't read my Neil Patrick Harris story. He was a fan of the show. Let's just say he is very hilarious. Love him. |
Kitt | Friday, August 15, 2003 - 01:59 pm     !!!! I guess Neil Patrick Harris and Doogie do look the same then! The straight men were meant to pretend to be gay - so I guess we can assume Dan, at least, thought that his behaviour was typical of gay men. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:46 am     Kitt - "Lost" was a mini Amazing Race (sort of) show.....three teams of two were left somewhere in the world in the middle of nowhere and had to figure out where they were and ghow to make their way to the statue of liberty. (I think the first team was dropped off in a field in the middle of Mongolia and the second group was left on a mountain in Bolivia....I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it)This show aired two games, each one was a three episode series. I just found mention of it here: http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/lost/ For some reason I had thought it aired on ABC, but apparently it was NBC. Lost first started around the time of 9/11, and the middle episode of the first race never aired, as far as I know. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:47 am     Here is a picture of "Lost" contestants....that's Dan from "Boy Meets Boy" on the far left. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 09:48 am     Btw, here's a heads up - Boy Meets Boy is on tonight! |
Kitt | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:42 am     Ah, I see, thanks Sanfran. It sounds like one of those shows that might have been good if not for the timing. So I wonder if James actually does find out that there's a straight boy in the pack tonight, the trailer looked like he does, but then that doesn't always mean much. I guess there aren't many episodes left, he has to be told soon. |
Muse | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:26 pm     I actually thought Lost was pretty bad. It *sounded* like a good idea, and I was excited about the first episode. But the problem was that teams became very spread out, so there wasn't a lot of suspense when it became obvious that one team would probably win. For those who watch TAR and don't like the bunching -- trust me, it's a good thing. Lost also kind of lost its appeal to me when most of the teams would have to resort to begging in some countries where there were a lot of poor people...kind of off-putting. And frankly, I thought the show was just plain boring. Some might disagree, but a lot of potential fans expressed disappointment as well, I think. Anyway, Sanfranjoshfan, they were discussing Dan's past reality show appearance at Survivor Sucks. I didn't mean to really find out, but they're often not great at hiding "spoilers" over there. I just kind of stumbled across it. Knowing that Dan wasn't gay made him seem more of a jerk to me (he seemed to see it as a game -- not nice), but I disliked him right from the get-go. Thanks for the list, Kitt. I have yet to watch tonight's episode (have it on tape, though), but I have to say I would be *very* surprised if Brian or Wes were NOT gay. I would guess Darren or Franklin is the straight one, but I really don't know. Just feel very sure about Brian and Wes. And since I said that, I'll probably watch one of them be eliminated tonight and be the straight guy.  |
Sanfranjoshfan | Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:35 pm     Aha!!!! Well, I have figured out who the remaining str8 guy is in the final 3.....mathematically! I am POSITIVE! They set up the eliminations to be like this: episode 1 - 15 mates, no grouping, 3 eliminated episode 2 - 12 mates, 3 groups of 4, 3 eliminated episode 3 - 9 mates, 3 groups of 3, 3 eliminated episode 4 - 6 mates, 3 groups of 2, 3 eliminated This has been orchestrated so that some str8 guys HAD to continue through to the final rounds, *no matter what*! If not, it could have ruined the whole ambush thing at the end. To do this, they HAD to have a MINIMUM of 2 str8 guys in AT LEAST 2 groupings at EACH elimination. By doing it this way, they guaranteed that they would end up with 2 str8 guys in tonight's episode...which guaranteed that one of the groups of 2 would be all str8...which guaranteed that a str8 guy would wind up in the final 3. Also, since each week at least on grouping was all gay, they guaranteed that there would be *at least* 1 gay guy that made it to the finals, too! I just checked the tapes.... In episode 2, the first time they split up the guys into groups and told James he had to eliminate 1 mate from each group...I saw that the groups consisted of: Group 1: Jim (str8) Franklin (?) Sean (str8) Dan (str8) Group 2: Paul (str8) Rob (gay) Wes (?) Michael (str8) Group 3: Matt (gay) Brian (?) Mark (gay) Darren (gay) In episode 3 there were 3 groups of 3: Group 1: Sean (str8) Michael (Str8) Rob (gay) Group 2: Darren (gay) Brian (?) Matthew (gay) Group 3: Franklin (?) Dan (str8) Wes (?) In epsiode 4, there were 3 groups of 2... Group 1: Sean (Str8) Franklin (?) Group 2: Brian (?) Darren (gay) Group 3: Rob (gay) Wes(?) According to my theory, they HAD to make sure a str8 guy wound up in the final three. That means that *at least* one of the final 3 groups of 2 HAD to be ALL str8! If there was no str8 guy at the end, then there would be no build up to see whether or not he finally chose a str8 guy or gay guy. Also, (unless the host was outright lying), only ONE of the 3 finalists is str8....and since Franklin was in the same group as Sean, then the last str8 guy HAS to be Franklin! All that jealousy BS when Franklin saw Darren and James kiss was just an act! Anyhow....that's my story and I'm sticking to it! |
Mrconsumer | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 10:56 am     SanFranJoshFan... I had the same epiphany last night after the show... that they had to manipulate the groupings to ensure that a straight man would make it until the end. I frankly was really angry when I figured out that Franklin had to be straight. (What a waste.. and how unfair to James!) The only other explanation would be that the "briefings" that the producer had with James before eliminations helped him set up the groups even if a group was not all/mostly straight. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:16 am     Mrconsumer - I had been guessing that Sean was gay, simply because he seemed so out of place. I thought he was a red herring.....until he made his little speech about "long live the gay revolution". Huh? "Gay *revolution*"? I swear, I have never heard that term being used by anyone I know....gay liberation maybe, gay rights maybe, but not revolution....well, maybe in the 1970s! LOL Anyhow, it was at that moment that it hit me that if Sean was str8, then Franklin was str8. I'm guessing, too, that in the "briefings" with the producers, James' feelings were probably taken into account, so that the producers could keep some of his favorites in different groups, ensuring that he would end up with some that he truly liked. If they put all his faves in the same group each time, he would have been forced to eliminate them all, one by one. If all of his faves happened to be str8, then by their selective grouping, they could actually save James from himself....if he had wound up with ALL str8 finalists, it would have been way too cruel and viewers would have hated that! |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:56 am     GR8 analysis San Fran. I also heard that "gay revolution" statement and thought that the hostess was really really worried he'd say more but it was crystal clear at that moment that Sean was str8. And then, he left his goodbye note to FRANKLIN and said to look him up when he got out, so even if I hadn't thought maybe Franklin was str8, which I did earlier, I would have thought so because of the way the note was directed at him. In the Preview when the host told him one was straight, I think he was so shocked and upset he couldn't say much, but ANDRA said it ALL when she reacted!! I would be every bit as angry as she was if I found out the were F-ing with my friend in this way. Now he won't trust anyone and why should he? |
Kitt | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 02:35 pm     I think you're all absolutely right! It hadn't even occurred to me that the groupings were significant, but of course they were, anything controlled by the producers are significant. Yes, the "gay revolution" speech totally gave Sean away, and up until that point I really thought he was gay. I really like him, and I'd wish James would have kept him, but as he's straight there's no point in that! I don't particularly like any of the remaining three. At the beginning I was certain Franklin was gay, but now I'm not sure (and your arguments have persuaded me he's straight too). The more I see of Brian the more I feel he's not in the show for the right reasons. And I still think there's something very dodgy about Wes, and I'm still convinced I've seen him somewhere else. I think James will choose Wes. Yeah, Seamonkey, Andra's reaction said it all. I feel so sorry for James now. I'm a little angry that there were so many straight men, I thought they said there were five, i.e. one in three, which didn't seem so bad, but to have half of the guys straight is just really cruel, James must feel a bit like a sucker. I suppose in the long run it doesn't make much difference if in the end they were going to manipulate it to have one str8 guy in the final 3. What was going on with that explosion in the trailer for the finale?! |
Kappy | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 05:23 pm     First, I'm so glad to hear that someone besides me thinks they have seen Wes before. It's been driving me crazy! I think he is the straight one and is doing a fabulous acting job. In fact, I can't help but feel like he is doing an audition as he participates in this show. I never did buy into Sean being gay but then being a straight female, what do I know? However, I did buy into his sincerity about how he views human beings in general and I think that's what he was trying to express at the end. I couldn't tell if he said "revolution" or "evolution" but I took his remark to mean that he hoped this show would help the general public to start changing their perceptions as to how they view gay people in general and that in itself could help the evolution of the gay community. I also felt that he might have formed a close friendship with Franklin and that he wanted Franklin to know that he wanted to continue that friendship beyond the show ~ especially for later when Franklin finds out Sean is straight. Does that make any sense to anyone else but me? And I'm with Andra and her reaction ~ it's hard enough to find someone you care about without producers playing this kind of a game with Jame's heart. How is he suppose to trust any of the final three? And should he try for a heavy make-out session to see who can handle it and who can't? |
Muse | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 05:32 pm     Totally agree with your analysis, Sanfranjoshfan. And plus a lot of people seem to agree that Franklin just "seems" more straight than Brian or Wes. It seems almost too obvious, which kind of makes me wonder if somehow Wes and Franklin aren't what they seem to be...but nah. I think that's reading too much into it. Anyway, I guess it's a good thing the show grouped Franklin and Sean together, because I think James really liked both. I don't think Brian would have made the cut if James could have just picked any three out of the six. If James has any "gaydar" whatsoever, he won't pick Franklin. I think he's most attracted to him, but I doubt he'd pick someone who seemed straight. So my guess is that he chooses Wes. They seem to have the best connection (although I get the impression that Wes could be a bit of a player -- something about his personality). Brian seems nice enough, but I dunno...not overly impressed with him, either. I think James should have kept Robb. |
Babyruth | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 06:55 pm     . |
Halfunit | Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 07:05 pm     Babyruth - you forgot one! Ed - Well crap - you edited, and now mine doesn't make sense, lolol... |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 11:59 am     From today's paper, this info, which makes me more ticked off.. maybe I just missed this info before.. The first part also ticks me off but the last part is what I mean.. TV appearance results in discharge Michael Jason Tiner, a combat-systems instructor with eight years of military experience, was discharged from the Navy after he appeared on the Bravo reality show "Boy Meets Boy," zap2it.com reports. Tiner, who taught at the Navy's Submarine Learning Center in San Diego, was one of the first men eliminated from the show. The first episode of "Boy Meets Boy" aired July 29, and Tiner's discharge for violating the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was made official Aug. 19. "The reason I did the show is that I felt if anyone had a right to go on the show, then I did," Tiner told an interviewer. "I should have all the rights that the other 14 guys have. I was comfortable enough with who I am and with my sexuality that i was ready to face the consequences." "Boy Meets Boy" finds a single gay man choosing among 15 singles. Eight of the men are gay, and if leading man James chooses one of them, they win a romantic vacation. If he chooses one of the straight men, the person chosen wins a cash prize. James is currently down to three men, two of whom are gay. The process leading to Tiner's dismissal began when he was recognized by a fellow sailor in the show's process. Tiner soon informed his command of his participation in the show, leading to his honorable discharge. |
Sanfranjoshfan | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 12:37 pm     Seamonkey - I thought that explanation of the game (if a str8 guy was picked at the end that he wold win the money instead of James) was well known. I know I read that in TV Guide way back when the show first started. I thought I saw it posted here somewhere....but just now, I couldn't find it, so it might have gotten posted in another thread. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 01:16 pm     San Fran.. Yeah I figured as much but I had managed to miss it.. don't get TV Guide and must have spaced over it if it was posted here. I would have been ticked then but I'm freshly ticked finding it out today. Bwahahahahaaa! |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 05:28 pm     i knew that little davey jones guy was straight. it was the only episode i saw and i was going, 'what's this guy doing on here?' then i remembered that the premise called for some straight guy(s), too, and knew he was one of them. |
Penpoint | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 08:34 pm     Just found and read through this thread after seeing the show tonight. Sanfranjoshfan, good analysis and I think you're right. Tonight it seemed as though Franklin and James, although they got along, had less of an intimate connection than James and either of the others had. There's something a bit stiff about Franklin. With him there was no kiss--not even a little peck--just a sort of macho hug. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a macho hug, but there should be more if you're romantically inclined. Then again, we were presented with an edited version of the dates--who knows if we aren't being manipulated. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, August 26, 2003 - 11:31 pm     The fire was fun But I feel sad that they had that cruel twist and that he went so far into it without knowing.. Was happy that Queer Eye was next to make me smile.. |
Gina8642 | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:54 am     This whole show, while interesting, is just a little too mean spirited to me. I think there were WAY too many straight guys. The elimination were clearly manipulated to ensure straight guys continued along the way. They are always shocking and pressuring James to make snap decisions. It really just came off as mean, not fun, or inovative, or provacative, just mean. I think he should pick Wes. Like he said, either he is gay, or the best actor in the world (if he is such a great actor, than he deserves the money). They seem to have the best chemistry too. Franklin, gay or straight, may be georgeous, but just seems boring. And I don't like the other guy either, I still can't figure out his name. |
Muse | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 11:27 am     I agree that James and Wes have the best chemistry, followed by James and Brian. There's just not really anything there with Franklin. I'd be surprised if James doesn't choose Wes and peg Franklin as the straight guy. I was a little surprised by how much Andra took the news as a personal blow. While I can understand why she'd feel foolish/hurt for trusting the guys, I thought she'd see it more from James' perspective, and feel bad (guilty, upset, angry, sad) for him. |
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