Archive through August 05, 2003
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Archive through August 05, 2003
Redhalo | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:22 pm     hmm, Vali, it is hard for me to think someone could actually be that nasty but I think that she is so insecure about herself that she wants to hurt other people (mostly weaker people in her eyes). I think if she stayed it was just a matter of time before she started "getting these feelings" about even her friends. I don't know. I think the crying, the rantings were her insecure way of getting attention. But IMO she is the type of person who is hugging and crying on your shoulder while positioning the knife just right towards your back. |
Vali | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:23 pm     I was worried that after Keith's chat with Alex and Scott about why he chose Zack, he would do the 'safe' thing and keep Toni. My opinion of him really went up tonight. I like that he doesn't have to FREAK OUT to get his point across. |
Redhalo | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:27 pm     I like Keith too. He's playing a game and he knows it. I liked the previews for next week when he said that tonight was bad but it was going to get a millions times worse. He's right. |
Halfunit | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 07:30 pm     Sureal -  |
Reader234 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:07 pm     Did any one else catch Holly saying she liked Toni? Do you think that was for real? It made me wonder what show Holly has been watching, and also how bad Toni must be edited, she did go off again tonight, I just wouldnt want that kind of anger around. And they keep playing up this "trust" factor, I dont see how alliances are as strong as they would be in BB, altho Toni did show how to save Amy, and Keith save his alliance. Holly was an interesting choice, they sure arent showing her with any conversations with the "new" group. (or 'juicy' gossipy convos!!) |
Squaredsc | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:12 pm     yay toni is gone, i actually caught the last 10 mins. |
Grooch | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:18 pm     Yeah, but her "mini-me" is still there. |
Curious1 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:48 pm     Love that Toni is gone, HATE the way the show did it! I want to know if the show gets to decide in what order the girls stand in line with regards to who picks first and who picks last? While I'm glad that Charla got to stay, I'm ticked off that the show put that pressure on her. This just makes a bigger target on her back now and much more vulnerable for elimination next week. It also put Keith in a really bad spot again. I was also a bit ticked off at Tara for choosing Dave. I felt she saved herself without regard to whom Charla would pick, plus some comments she made earlier in the show about whether Charla was vulnerable really didn't sit right with me. I am willing to bet a million bucks that Amy goes off on Keith and Charla again. It would be a really stupid thing to do since it is now becoming very apparent that the new person might not be the one with all the power these days. On that note, boy did Holly ever get off easy or what? IF THEY BRING ZACK BACK I'M GOING TO BE MORE TICKED OFF THAN AMY WAS WHEN HE GOT THE BOOT!!!! |
Curiouscat | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:54 pm     The cynic in me says Toni did her acting job, the producers thanked her for carrying her role this far keeping the show going, and was told her character has to bow out now to keep Amy there, and Toni's big fat bonus is in the bank. I believe it's all a set up for this past guest to be Zack and Amy may have to make the decision to stay or go with him like Amanda did. I could be wrong though Sureal, do you still have Yahoo Platinum? Any interesting insider info? |
Curious1 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 08:58 pm     What guy from their past could it be? I can only think of that tattoo guy that Toni first roomed with, the semi-long haired rock band guy and Zack. There has to be more of them but I sure as heck can't remember what other guys have been to and then left paradise hotel? My guess is that the rock band dude had a legit complaint that he didn't get the chance to stay a week without a roommate and this resulted in him being eliminated very quickly. In all fairness it would be the right thing to do on the producers part to bring him back. It'd be good for the "new" people vs. the originials too because he already can sort of see how the alliance's worked to get him out of there. |
Nanalinda | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:00 pm     I don't understand why Amy doesn't leave if she is so miserable. These people amaze me--they look out for themselves,then expect other people to do what they want them to do or they are "selfish". |
Curiouscat | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:01 pm     Yes, Curious1, Holly did got off easy this week. She wasn't the one to decide which girl was leaving. Nice how they change the way the game's played from week to week. I think they needed to make sure it was set up for a certain person to leave and a certain person to stay. |
Curiouscat | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:05 pm     I think it's been only Andon, Matt and Zack for the male players who have left. It's hard to believe but there's a large Zack fan base at the official website's board and they want him back in. |
Surealityjunkie | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:08 pm     Curiouscat, UNFORTUNATELY I still have Yahoo! Platinum but I will save my ranting for another day... I almost went "Toni" on the people today because of my circumstance, but I digress... I will have Y! P for the next month so the show better end by then or I will go crazy! I have found that they release a new set of videos once a week -- usually after the first show airs. I have been outside talking to my neighbor (what was I thinking???) but I am back so I can check out the new videos. If anything of interest comes up, I will let y'all know! I agree with you guys and the way Toni built up the fact that she was going... like I said above she played the martyr soooo well and the video montage was waaaaay over the top for me! I swear Leo DuPres didn't have a send off that long when he died on "All My Children!" but I digress (again!), I was surprised they had Holly choose first, but you know she very well could have chosen Beau and that would have stirred things up, too. I don't think there was a rat's chance in h-e-double toothpicks that Keith would have chosen Toni over Charla. As many times as she has cursed him and called him out on his game playing -- no,no, never! I knew she was safe when it came down to it because Keith and Dave would pick her over any girl that came to them because they have that "connection"... Just a portion of my ! |
Curious1 | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:17 pm     I knew Charla was safe too and that's where she had the advantage over the other three (toni, kristen, and amy). Charla has more guys who are loyal to her than she has women (that keith and dave totally trust) in her alliance. Once Scott was spoken for the only guys that toni, kristen and amy had to pick from where alex and beau. The only way those three "originial" girls would have been safe was for Holly to pick either Keith or Dave. Even though I knew from the get go that Charla would be safe, I was still ticked off that the show put her last in line knowing that she would be forcing a guy to choose her over someone else. If they really wanted Toni gone they could have had Toni last in line, which would have been dramatic too just watching her standing there realizing she had no options left unless she was willing to send amy or kristin home. |
Muse | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:17 pm     I really hope that Zack doesn't have a chance to come back. I get the impression that a lot of the people who like him on the official site's board are young girls who think he's hot. It's sort of sad that they think Zack and Amy's relationship is "romantic" and "destiny". An unhealthy relationship like that should *not* be celebrated, especially by young, impressionable girls. IMO. Not that anyone on this show demonstrates role model behavior, of course, but I just think it's kind of disturbing that Zach (and Zach/Amy) have such a strong fan base. I liked that they change the rules on the show, since it really benefited Charla, Tara, Keith, and Dave this week. As long as they change it so that the more likable people stick around, I'm all for flexible rules. Glad Toni's gone. Typical drama queen exit. Dave's comment ("A lot of people will miss her. Obviously, I won't") was hilarious. |
Curiouscat | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:22 pm     I didn't get why Charla was crying so much before she chose Keith. A tad overplayed I think. Why she would feel any remorse for helping oust Toni is beyond me, since Toni accused her and Tara of plotting against her, let alone all Toni's attacks on her fellow "teamates". Charla's tears during the show as well...they haven't shown Amy or Kristin attacking her, why is she so stressed? It won't surprise me a bit if I find out after the show Charla has aspirations to be an actress. |
Kellee | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:35 pm     Could the person from their past be someone that they did not chose the first time around???..like the guy who was mistakenly not chosen causer Toni announced the wrong name and ended up with Keith???? I am so glad to see Toni gone...I only wish it could have been Amy...I totally missed the pandoras box...not sure how...but I did...must go back and read about it... Way to go Charla...booting Toni to the curb.,,, |
Surealityjunkie | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:45 pm     Curiouscat, I thought you knew... they all have their SAG cards! LOL! Here is the question I have for any of you... Do you really think any, really either, of the guys would have picked Toni over the other girls? Do you think Alex, Beau, or Scott if he could, would have picked Toni over Kristin, Amy or Tara? I don't... I really, really don't. And something tells me that she knew deep inside of her when putting together different variations of the couples, she didn't stand a chance. So, to keep from being deflated and defeated, she chose someone that she knew would NEVER pick her so she could leave in a blaze of glory, forever saving the fair Maiden Amy from certain disaster... But, we all know that Amy would have made one of the guys (Alex/Beau) choose if it came down to it because there was no way she was going to Keith... know what I mean?!?!?!?!? |
Iceprincess | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 09:49 pm     I have been watching the show off and on...I just can't seem to get into it at all...I am glad to see Toni go she irritated me....But what is the premise of the show? Just to stay on the island for vacation? |
Surealityjunkie | Monday, August 04, 2003 - 10:00 pm     Oh, and to add, I wouldn't be surprised if the new person was a "Jason" for someone else. Whose to say that they won't bring in, let's say, Amy's ex-boyfriend to see what happens or Kristin or Charla's... Because of the editing I couldn't tell if she was speaking to all of them or to one person in particular. I think at this point to bring back and original player would not do justice to the game that is being played. I would like it to be someone who could create an "X-Factor" (BB) feeling at the resort. Imagine what would happen if an ex comes in for the week only to be a part of the roommate selection process next week... Now, that would be wild!!! |
Redhalo | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 03:45 am     "Sureal" I agree with you. Toni did what she did so she could make the grand exit. "Poor Toni, she was such a loyal friend to her baby girl"...BULL....she knew she was outta there and so to save face she saved Amy. And I say it again....BULL. Does anyone think Scott was sincere with Charla? I actually like Scott. Laid back. Not too much drama from him. I like to think that he was sincere with Charla even though she wasn't buying it. |
Kathyb | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:29 am     I couldn't tell whether or not Scott was being sincere with Charla, but she didn't seem to be buying it. I agree that Toni's "heroically" throwing herself on the sword to save Amy was BS. It was so obviously a face-saving ploy. Who would have chosen to keep her over any of the others in the originals? Nobody. Keith or Dave? Never. She made Amy sound like a hopeless weak child who couldn't stay in this week without Tony's big sacrifice. |
Tagurit | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:33 am     Thank you sureal and everyone else for the recap and info regarding last nights show. I was so disappointed I missed it. My migraine got the best of me and I only made it to the first commercial. This is the first place I came to this morning. From the bit I saw, if I were Charla I wouldn't trust Toni as far as I could throw her consoling her. First she didn't want anyone to see her cry and second Toni said she wouldn't go and tell anyone. Yeah, right! Did anyone besides me even wonder why Toni went into the room? Doesn't seem like she goes to hang out with her, why now? I wish I could say I can't believe she went off on Tara and Charla and then walked away. But I can't. Typical Toni. I have had my suspicions of Tara and here she goes and picks Dave. Maybe this was all planned in advance because Toni attacked them. I really wouldn't say that Toni is a great person for having herself go instead of Amy. Please. All an act. I really wish that I could of seen her go though. lol (Did crack me up in the beginning when she said Amy was more like her little sister than Charla. You think?!?! Amy is a mini-me of Toni! lol) I am wondering if Charla cried a lot when it came her turn to chose because chosing Keith and then Keith picking her, hence eliminating Toni, she really has a target on her back. And, if she thought that the past time at the hotel has been rough, she ain't seen nothin' yet. We have all seen how flipped out Amy can get! I hope like heck that they are not bringing back Zack. I'll stop watching. If they bring him back, all they are looking for are fights. That will turn me off completely. I hope some of you are right that it was a contestant they didn't pick. Again, thank you all for catching me up. I really appreciate it!! |
Redhalo | Tuesday, August 05, 2003 - 04:39 am     You know what I was thinking about Toni? Remember how she was telling Scott off and whining about no one wants her there and she always thought that Scott was hot? Anyway, through the whole game she didn't appear IMO to have flirting skills. Or just the ability to "play" with a man like we women do. She was either crying or screaming but never seemed to be genually soft and flirty with any of the guys. All of the guys have said that Toni was like a sister. And that is exactly how she acted then got pissed off (among a zillion other reasons) when the guys didn't come on to her. How the heck was Scott supposed to know that she liked him when she was flexing her muscles? I'm rambling. I'm tired. Think I will go to work for a nap. |
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