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Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
charla tells keith that he has a crush on tara... he starts to flirt with her and hugs and grabs her as she is blow drying her hair...

keith is ticked about casino night and alex and kristin cheating... wonders how much he can trust them

kristin stole $1000 bucks at the end of the night... she feels really good about it.. has no remorse and is laughing about it...

alex will give his money to keith to vote beau off because they (alex & scott) say he is playing everyone...

charla wants dave to drop alex... keith dares him to do it...

dave asks amy who she wants to go... she says scott... says he's been shady lately... what, no keith???

amy into tara about her always lurking when people are trying to have conversations.. says she will call peole out when it happens to her and but she can't be concerned about tara's actions with other people...

dave & tara: tara asked dave who amy would choose and he said he would have to keep it confidential... dave said that amy thought tara was trying to scoop for information...

tara says she doesn't take crap from people.. uh-uh...

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
pandora's box time is coming up soon....

dave and keith talking strategy... dave tells charla that everyone thinks that charla walks all over him...


pandora's box time!!!

tom: who do you think is playing the game the most from watching on tv? dave & tara...


holly: don't you think you're making tom look like a jackarse by running off to scott? no one stays with their roommate 24 hrs a day and she doesn't think she is making him look like anything...

beau: people have heard your want to keep keith out and alex out this week? who do you want or is it someone else?

beau's response -- i told keith that i wanted him out (flashback to him saying that on the boat) and alex because you have been the most untrustworthy person here...

beau doesn't know who to trust... says that dave is the only one who is neutral that he can trust... hopes that he is right... dave says that it isnt' about originals and neutrals, it's about trust.

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
alex: beau told keith that they needed to break up alex and kristin because they are untrustworthy... alex tells kristin that he wants to give his money to dave to get rid of beau.

amy gave alex her money thinking he would bounce keith... ruh-roh...

i think just about everyone gave dave their money so he can make the "right choice"... he (dave) wants to know why no one is making a big deal about alex and kristin cheating...

tom is dressing in a gold dress to go to the ceremony... dave wants to know if he lost a bet but tom says he did it on his own...

tara helping him get dressed... he is changing into his regular clothes because he doesn't feel right about it (namely because dave laughed at him)

time for roommate selection time... da-da-daaaah!

dave has the most money ... he has to make the choice...

he could go with the flow and choose beau or he could shock the world and choose who he feels is his biggest threat and choose alex...


alex chooses kristin

tom chooses amy... says he would have the most fun with her...

beau chooses amy... loves her to death because he trusts her 100% and there is no one else he does...

scott chooses holly

keith chooses charla... she's a good girl, i trust her...

amy chooses beau as her roommate

tara: i get the left overs yea!

dave will send home the man that is standing next to the woman of his choice....

AFTER THE COMMERCIAL...

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dave chooses... (he knows he will tick off amy if he choses beau...)

Dave chooses.... BEAU! He says fine, these peole are losers and I would rather go home... amy is losing her mind right now... he tells dave to take care of amy now.

beau says the hotel is awesome but he can't say too much about the guests here...

exit speech: some of them he thought were his friends and some he never thought were his friends... knows this is a game and thinks it should have been played with integrity. he says he is a threat because he playing with trust and he never changed who he was...

amy is speechless right now and doesn't know what to say... the initial plan was for dave to send alex home... dave tells her that alex gave him some of "his" money and she tells him that was her money that was given to dave to send beau home... he wanted to bounce alex but he was surprised with how many people gave him money to get rid of beau.

holly is upset that beau is gone home... she said that he was the most honest person there... and people have been lying to her... doesn't really know who to trust. (talking to tom)

amy: confronts kristin and alex about giving some money to dave to send beau home... kristin: yeah, assumed that you knew... amy says she was toatly mislead and doesn't appreciate it... kristin just assumed that she knew (again).. kristin has told alex she will support him (alex) to the end... alex says he doesn't have to answer to anyone how he spends his money and neither does kristin... amy feels cheated...

show ends with amy saying that she will not resort to lying to play the game...

next week: two former ladies try to win a spot on the show... keith is torn between charla and tara, and things get wild a at sexy hotel party... scenes of tara leaning in to kiss(?) a gal and a guy...

Jan

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who got the boot Sureal? I am on the edge of my seat here.

edited to add ..oops Thanks Must have posted together. I am SOOOO greateful to you. Happy viewing tonight

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
took me a few minutes to proof my post, sorry!

okay, now that the show is over... i can think! lol...

i think kristin and alex have finally alienated themselves to a twosome... i am betting that amy is pretty much thru with them and will do what she can to get kristin bounced next week... after that, alex for their betrayal with the money and their lack of concern...

so this is what i think, fwiw

Barbies:

Charla
Amy
Keith
Dave
Tom

Originals:
Kristin
Alex

Neutral (or the "I Can't Read 'Em" Crew)
Scott
Holly
Tara

Auntiemike

Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You have my THANKS!!! Sureal for the spoiling. I will watch it later tonight and tape BB but it sure helps to get your detail of the show beforehand. You are wonderful!

Tagurit

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 04:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to say I am so glad BB is so boring to me this year. I would of had a hard time flipping back and forth! lol Loved last night's episode. Kept me on the edge of my seat.

I was surprised that Dave actually went around to get everyone's money. Of course smart move for him, just surprised people gave to him. Guess they figured it was easier for him to be the bad guy. Is anyone getting a vibe that Dave is more into Charla than she is to him? Seems to me he has been showing a jealous side ever since she started rooming with Keith. Didn't like that she talked to Tom the first night either. My favorite moment last night is when he was talking with her in the bathroom. He asked her at the end of the convo to give him a great big hug and tell him she is his best friend. There he is with arms open and she continues what she is doing. Too funny. It was like, "don't get on my case and then want a hug."

At first, I thought Dave would never want to share a room with Amy (as he would have to sleep with an eye open) and not go for Beau but I was surprised. I am thinking though that this may be very good for Amy. He can give her some sanity and stability. Maybe help her to refocus and become a nicer person. Who knows. She did have me confused with telling Dave to get rid of Scott but we all know she wanted Keith gone. Guess she wants both gone and figured someone would do it for her.

I am disappointed that there was nothing done regarding the cheating. Yes, it is just a show and it isn't the real world but cheating is cheating in my book. Alex and Kristin just laughed it off. I would of liked some accountability for their actions. Anyway, I will be very surprised if Kristin isn't the next one to go. What is with Alex too? He gets all annoyed at Beau for saying he wanted Alex and Keith gone. Well, didn't Alex want Beau and Keith gone?? That is the one thing I will never get with reality shows. Ok for one person to do it but not another.

Kathyb

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 05:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I always thought that someone in authority must have ok'ed the cheating ahead of time (or perhaps even suggested it to Alex). I don't think they would have had the nerve otherwise, with all the cameras watching. Without any encouragement, I'd think they'd be afraid to risk being kicked off the show for cheating. Also, their bragging about it later in front of the cameras. If they'd really cheated, wouldn't they have kept quiet about it?

Hoosiergirl

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 06:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My random thoughts.

Man, I want to see this game shaken up! Am I alone is thinking Dave lacked balls for not booting Alex?

He should have booted Alex, thus breaking up the last "original" couple. That would have isolated Kirsten. Then go and tell Amy that Alex and Kirsten gave their money to him to get rid of Beau. Then she goes off on Kirsten (like she did) and now Kirsten is isolated. So theoretically, everyone is potentially against Kirsten, and she's the next to go.

I think not getting rid of Alex will come back to haunt Dave. Not to mention give Alex some confidence back. I can see him trying to go after Charla, Dave and Keith.

I can't believe A&K bragged about the cheating. And that Keith seems to be the only one upset about it.

Charla was NEVER into Dave. At all. He is/was a safe alliance because she could trust him. I always wondered how Dave made it onto the Island (I missed that show), since he is odd man out, i.e., not a Ken doll. It's so much clearer after seeing his opponent. I suspect it's all an act on Tom's part.

Squaredsc

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 06:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
thx again surizzle.

Laura11103

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Great show. I'm glad to see another original gone, bye bye Beau! It was also a great twist not giving the new guy the power this time. I love how they come up with the rules as they go along. Kathyb, I think you must be right about the cheating, otherwise, I don't see how K and A could've gone unpunished. I tell you, I can't stand Kristin, she was so annoying during the whole casino night, would love to see her go next.

Surealityjunkie

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wouldn't be surpised if Kristin was the next to go... through her cheating she alienated Amy. What the "Barbies" need to do is convince the newest guest to choose Alex. That way, Kristin has no chance with him... Then, if Holly is able to choose Scott again, I would think the deed is done. Scott, I think, would choose Holly over Kristin and I know Dave/Keith/Tom would choose her and bada-bing bada-bow!, Kristin, it seems, would be gone.

They could do the same with Alex the following week, but sooner than later they will all start to turn on each other to become the "Last Couple Standing"...

Rslover

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
TONI ON BLIND DATE!
Last Saturday night, I was clicking the channels and saw a quick glimpse of Toni on an "upcoming" episode of BLIND DATE. They showed her in Acapulco (gee, she sure loves that place!) I don't know if this is a rerun but thought some of you would be interested.
I think it will probably be on this Saturday night, east coast time, UPN - channel 9 in the NY area. I saw her interviewed on Access Hollywood and she said no more reality shows. LOL! This is her third (that I know of).

Imbewitched

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sureal thank you so much for the great spoiling job. I missed the show last night but I feel like I saw it myself.

Meemo

Monday, August 18, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't know if anyone posted this i did not check thru the archives but..
for those interested you can check out Toni's bare tush in the Sept issue of Marie Claire's. it's some article of readers baring their behind. i'm 95 percents sure it is her. it shows her name as Toni but she doesn't look as muscular. just thought i'd let you guys know. i just know how every "loved" her. lol

Surealityjunkie

Monday, August 18, 2003 - 05:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gals (and Guys) -- I hate to tell ya this, but I have a very bothersome headache right now so I am going to have to pass on spoiling tonight. I hope to be up and at 'em for Wednesday's eviction night! See ya! :)

Auntiemike

Monday, August 18, 2003 - 05:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hope you feel better soon Sure. Those headaches can be a bugger! I will miss your spoiling and will wait patiently until my 9 p.m time (west coast) to keep up with this show. Thanks for all the times you do spoil for us.

Reader234

Monday, August 18, 2003 - 07:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
sureal, you take it easy!! I came in late, but I think I'll be able to catch up!! Its nice that you go out of your way to spoil, and I appreciate that you can take a night off is well deserved!!

But I really wish I understood the "game" aspect of this show!! Each one on camera says how they are going to "win" this game. I'm at a loss, is it an "individual" win? A "couples" win? The one who "plays" the best? I mean come on!! Each of you could think of a "winning" category!! What's the deal??!! LOL... I did catch the last 5 min. and the "new" girl says the old timers need to be shaken up, or they've been here long enough, or something to the effect that suggest she is 1. "OUT TO WIN" (whatever THAT means!!) and 2. she has nothing nice to say about the "originals"!!

Thanks for reminding me about Wednesday!!

Laura11103

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Surreal, hope you feel better.

Reader, you're right, there seems to be all this talk about being the winner but no one ever mentions what they're winning or how, very weird.

Another thing I find interesting is that nobody ever questions the new person on what's going on in the outside world. These people have been at this hotel for what feels like months and months, aren't they curious as to current events? I assume they are told not to ask about that stuff, but still, remember on Survivor, when an outsider came they had tons of questions. I'd feel so isolated by now if I were Amy, Alex, Dave or pretty much anyone who's been there longer than 2 weeks. I don't like Amy but am starting to feel sorry for her. I wonder if they have any idea when this is gonna end already.

Love the show, it could go on forever if it was up to me, but this not knowing what they're winning and what's really going on is starting to get a little bothersome.

Tagurit

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hope you feel better Sureality! Headaches suck!

I can't say that this was a great episode. Not like others in the past. I did feel a tad bit bad for Dave as he really likes Charla. She is either really clueless about his feelings or knows and is just ignoring it. Got to give her credit for constantly trying with Keith. lol

I find myself feeling a bit bad for all of them when they say the want to go home. I don't blame them really. They have no idea when this will end (other than getting eliminated) and you can stay in a beautiful hotel for just so long. I would be itching for news outside the place. Heck, just to see something outside that hotel would be great! I would imagine they do ask the new ones about the outside world but it never makes it to the show.

I like this show but I can't believe we have to wait for September for the ending! I am definitely interested to know what the heck they win!

Surealityjunkie

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks guys and I do feel better today... there must be something in the air (besides ozone :)) because my daughter is feeling like crud now. She turned 17 mos. yesterday and can barely breathe and has a low-grade temp. I think it is allergies but I guess time will tell... Anyway, on to the show...

Tag, I am with you. I don't think I could have picked a better day to not feel well. When it was all over, I felt kinda deflated... I was looking for more drama! I did let out a little something when Amy said she taken over Toni's place -- I guess we were onto something!

I didn't quite get the king and queen thing, but I would almost bet money that it won't be Alex and Kristin... I wonder if they get to choose who goes and stays... The twist for choosing roommates also looks interesting.

I will be glad when they finally begin to wrap up the show. It doesn't have end all together next week, but some kind of introduction to closure would be nice. Maybe by the end of this month they will get something started...

Squaredsc

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
woo hoo surizzle is feeling better. sorry your daughter isn't though.

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting....I don't remember any statements from the show about them being cut-off from news. In fact, didn't they have a scene or two with one or more of those guys reading a newspaper? I have an extremely vague recollection of someone talking to one of the guys who held a newspaper in front of his face....although I suppose it could've been a menu or something else, since the memory is unclear.

Of course, these folks are all so self absorbed, I wouldn't be surprised if they have no curiosity about what goes on outside of their own lives...except maybe whether or not their hair care products have yet developed a new and improved formula...:)

As for the endgame....they *have* announced something to the effect of "Who will be the last two left in Paradise Hotel?" My *guess* and it is *only* a guess (plus a little wishful thinking) is that some of the expelled guests will come back for voting or a competition or something like that, to help select the winners. This show has already shown itself to be hung up on bringing people that had been previously rejected back into the game.

I have wondered, too, if Tom (and Smokey the monkey) are moles....he is the only one that was ever chosen over a dorky geek (Dave) and I felt it was a surprise that these A-list wannabes chose Dave over another guy that was more "their type". That, plus the fact that the producers just put him into the hotel without giving the guests another chance to reject him (something they have never done before) makes me think that he's a plant. His insane behavior could also be a clue that he was put in with some sort of agenda.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist....but this particular show has shown us that they have no real rules that *anyone* knows or can follow and have told no one how to play or what they are playing for. Because of that, we have no idea if they are just making it up as they go along or if it is a real game with real rules.

edited to add - I like this show! :)

Muse

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 04:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I personally was not surprised when Dave was chosen to go to Paradise. He was a lot less threatening than Tom, and the cast *always* picked the person who seemed less competitive, aggressive, or judgmental. As Charla explained to Dave, they picked him because they thought he would be a pushover.