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Tagurit

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 04:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pixieduster - Good question. I asked the same thing a couple posts above too. :) :)

Seanflynn - no kidding the Roddy thing. Scott is as exciting as watching paint dry. Holly brings out those claws at every little thing. I don't think I could handle her. What is with Scott's comment to Amy when she was leaving? He tells her she is a class act!?! If she is a class act to him, he doesn't have any taste whatsoever!

I really can't believe how much Dave changed before our eyes last night. Doesn't he know lies catch up to you especially when there are so few at the hotel? Yeah, he schemed during the show but not to this extent. And what about his comment that Charla had gotten that far because of him?! And the, "she better not make a decision without consulting me." Big time jerk there. I really wanted someone to tell her what he said.

Well, even though it stinks we have to wait a week, at least we know Amy finally left the building! I thought Amanda's face was priceless when Amy walked over to Keith. At least Amy was mature enough to hug everyone - even Keith - when she left. It was so nice to see her walk up those stairs. :)

Curiouscat

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 04:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
As others have said, it seems like the past guests will not make the final decision. It looks like it will be battled out amongst the final two couples who will win. I think Keith will still pick Charla/Dave but more because of their feelings for Charla. Scott has been a fence sitter throughout, letting everyone else play out the game. I honestly see no reason why he and Holly deserve to be in the finale. Dave was a real dolt!!! Is it just me, or does it look like the only thing Dave was worried about is if Charla had any true feelings for him?!? I would like to see Keith/Tara win it all, but like others have said, they may mix up the couples. I think the ultimate prize will either be a dollar or another proverbial kick in the butt.

Iscreamer1

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The ultimate prize in the ultimate twist. A free lifetime stay at the hotel any time they want it!! What do you think? I doubt any of them would take it!! Dave really made me sick last night. He just is not a good liar and when he gets confronted he becomes totally lame. I have never been a big Charla/Dave fan. I don't think Charla is a nice person and Dave is just a weiner. I'm rooting for Tara/Keith but I do hope he kicks Holly/Scott off.

I do love Tagurit's idea of they must get married to get the prize. Priceless!

Hoosiergirl

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
From fox.com:

FINAL GUESTS COMPETE FOR ULTIMATE PRIZE ON AN ALL-NEW TWO-HOUR SEASON FINALE OF ‘PARADISE HOTEL’ WEDNESDAY, OCT. 1, ON FOX

The final two couples compete against each other for the ultimate prize on PARADISE HOTEL. All 15 former guests return to the hotel after having had the opportunity to view the episodes as they aired. The former guests, who had been forced out of the hotel by the finalists, now play an important role in determining who wins the ultimate prize. There is one final shocking twist after the prize is awarded which tests loyalties and friendships to the very end on the special two-hour season finale on PARADISE HOTEL Wednesday, October 1 (8:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. (PH-129/130) (TV-14; D, L, S)

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So the twist comes AFTER the prize is awarded. Interesting.

Also, I hope the show doesn't disintegrate again like it did the first time the former houseguests came for a visit. I'm positive, even after watching the episodes, that the originals will not have changed their opinions....of CDKT or themselves.

This was a "game," not a popularity contest. The winners should have to compete for the prize, not be selected by a obviously biased jury. The winners deserve to win based on how they PLAYED the game, not just because they were there from the first day. IMO

Was anyone as annoyed as I about just how many times they showed the Pandora's Box exchange between Keith and Scott (if he believed that Dave would kick out Keith before Scott)? They must have played that clip 5 or 6 times in 2 hours. Overkill, ya know?

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hoosiergirl,

All of the flashbacks were overkill, IMO. It got to the point that I could predict which clip they were going to show to go with whatever comment that was spoken. I was on such a roll that I thought about the "Dave's bare hand touching me" comment when Charla talked about how it felt when the snake was touching her body -- and what clip did they show???

Jasper

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dave's meltdown seemed to stem from Keith's question at Pandora's box when he asked Scott do you really think Dave would have picked you over me? Keith knew exactly what he was doing when he stirred that particular pot. Any answer that Dave gave was going to work to his advantage. Dave never gave a definite answer he said it was in my mind or something to that effect. I loved how they all threw around the word "blatantly" last night. Yeah Dave is back pedalling and trying to save face who can blame him. He has worked very hard and put up with more bs than any of the others in my opinion. None of the others have had to deal with personal attacks regarding how they look physically. Yeah he has schemed and plotted, but the whole purpose of this is it is a game and someone has to win. They have all lied at some point in this game. Dave is busy trying to keep all the balls in the air by telling people what they want to hear, it may backfire against him in the end but I'd rather see him in the final than Scott who has coasted along or Holly who just followed everyone and adopted their opinions about the "Barbies" just to be in with the cool kids. But Keith and Tara were working just as hard to secure a position should Scott and Holly have had the "power" they may not have lied and said we promise to keep you but they sure made sure to plant the seeds of discontent re Dave and added lots of fertilizer. And as for Dave pulling Charla this far, I think he has boosted her morale a few times but without each other they both would have been gone a long time ago.

Jasper

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 06:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The flashbacks - I may gag if I have to see Amy and Zak ever again

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW, Dave really ticked me off last night, too...

I can't BELIEVE he stood there and told Tara & Keith that he was sorry they thought they were his number two people!!! I was speechless... (I knew what he was doing when he told Holly not to worry about anything. It was the same thing Keith did when he told Scott that he had not lied to him unlike Dave.)

I thought Keith was trying to set Dave up in Pandora's Box to weaken his position with Scott just as Dave said what he did to strengthen it... After a while it started to get out of control and for Dave to sit there and tell the entire group all of his "truths" made me wonder if he has been hiding his hardball nature all of this time to come off as a "likable" guy.

All I know is that in less than an hour Dave manage to bump himself down a couple of notches in my book... At this point, I would like to see Keith & Tara take it all -- although honestly, before all of this I would have been happy if any two of the Barbie won -- now I definitely prefer Keith to win, Dave's behavior did not sit well with me at all...

Auntiemike

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jasper: just throw a banana Zacks way....afterall, he looks like he is doing a big ape imitation in that one clip. LOL

I am glad that Keith has to choose although it is a hard position to be in. I have always liked Dave/Charla but now am rooting for Keith/Tara. I think Keith, in particular, has maintained great integrity while playing this game very well. I admire his maturity and smarts a lot. I even think Tara has been pretty loyal and trustworthy to her group.

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jasper, I guess I was busy typing as you posted! :) ITA with what you have said about Dave working hard to get to where he is but, for me -- and I think some of us here -- the most unnerving part of the show was when he consistently denied his relationship with Keith & Tara. He made it seem like they were in a Fantasyland for thinking that they had a foursome pact. Dave actually said that he was sorry they were mistaken they thought they were his Number 2 people! What's up with that?!?!?! Keith and Tara have never denied that Dave and Charla were their Number 2's... everyone at the hotel knew this information to be truth and now Dave just comes up with some crud like "i'm sorry you thought that!" Not to mention that he then turns around and says "of course I have your back, what's the matter with you???" ARGH!!!

I should go and have a nice warm glass of milk now to calm my nerves... His backstabbing of the only people who have truly been there for him from the beginning was too much for me.

All that being said, I am still looking forward to next week's finale so I can put this show behind!

I have the Yahoo! feeds, so if anything of interest comes up, I will let you guys know...

Pcakes2

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am SO in the minority here, but I actually liked Amy..she was the perfect reality TV contestant, and with the exception of the "group mentality" thing, she played pretty honestly. In my opinion, she was done with the game...she had been there longer than anyone (except Scott), and wanted to get out. Keith didn't "take her out"...she put herself in that position, clearly knowing what the outcome would be. I just wish she was able to take down one of the Barbies with her.

Pixieduster

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tagurit - sorry for the double speculation post late last night. I must have been channeling you when I wrote that. Obviously I hadn't read it, duh!

I agree that Dave overplayed last night. I was disappointed to see that as he had been the one to really start the game strategy way back when. Charla had been playing, but I think Dave took it to a higher level when he came on board. They needed each other.

I also think Keith may be better off choosing Dave and Charla because if the former folks get to weigh in on the outcome, they'll be more vindictive toward D&C.

Shortnsweet

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pcakes2,

Charla has been at the hotel since the beginning, too.

Kalekona

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seanflynn - Glad I wasn't the only one getting Roddy vibes from Scott last night.. the whole "it's how you play the game" speech was so Roddy. (and let us not forget the I want Charla off, and how he fell right in with the Originals in their trash sessions)

Yes Dave overplayed his hand last night.. But I agree Keith led him down the path.

I honestly will have lost respect for Keith if he keeps Holly and Scott... Dave - no matter what he said to Scott would never have gotten rid of Keith. They worked so hard together, (and Dave did a lot of the dirty work to get them there) that if Keith turns his back on him he's no better than the rest.

Dave's problems last night were simple they confronted him together and he was trying to stay on Scotts good side just incase, no different than Keiths talk with Scott. But Dave and actuall confrontation have never worked out well. (he could handle the in his face screaming but not the come up with a reason why you lied stuff)

I'm hoping keith does the right thing and send Scott and Holly home. But i'd like to see keith and tara win.

Hoosiergirl

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am having a hard time believing that all this drama took place in the ONE HOUR they had to decide the power position.

Surealityjunkie: You have the live feed.....did it?

Jasper

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Pixieduster, you are right about that, if the "originals" vote there is no way Keith can win against Scott, he and Tara do however have more than a 50/50 chance to beat Charla and Dave, everyone seems to dislike Charla just because and Dave for all is jockeying for position,scheming and lying that he has done.(but don't think he deserved the abuse he got from the originals, regardless of his behavior, geez did these people see themselves?)

sureality - I was surprised as well with Dave's number 2 denial, that, EVERYONE knows is true, but Dave seemed so flustered at that point I don't think he even knows what he said. By now I am sure he can't keep track of what he has said to whom and when, but I still don't want to see Scott/Holly in the final two. I'll be happy if any of the four "Barbies" win even takng into account Dave's current mental status. He seemed on the verge of a little hysteria at times last night.

Jasper

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last 50 cents - the main reason I would like to see Dave take it is solely because, here he is a guy who doesn't really fit in, that they voted in figuring he'd be gone in the near future and look who is still standing? Not any of the "good deserving people" as the originals called themselves but Dave, with the big ears and the lily white chest. Just makes me laugh.

Hummingbird

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have never liked Scott. He has never made a real commitment to anyone and has lead several girls on for his own benefit, Holly being the latest. Surely Keith will stick to his original alliance and chose Dave and Charla. Dave has done nothing but try to play strategically. I hope Charla gets that funny tooth fixed after seeing herself on this show.

Zami

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, although Dave was pissing me off cuz I just wanted him to say, "Yes, Keith you are my number 2" I do think he made a GREAT point when he told Keith to watch it, and to ignore Holly adn Scott, in their "Last ditch attempt to stay on". Agreed. So, Scott is all buddy buddy with Keith now? Where was he when Keith was beign attacked left right and center? Now he wants to be friends so that he and his SUPER DUPER WHINY roommate can stay on? Please.

Realfan

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good post, Sureality. I, too, am highly annoyed with Dave. He's just not a good player--he's trying too hard and his attempts are transparent to everyone. Dumb moves! He should learn from Allison on BB4 and never make promises (say he's 99% sure, for instance). Dolt.

And he's dragging Charla down with him!! That's what makes me the most angry. Scott even was trying to convince Tara that her friendship with Charla didn't mean enough to save her, because of Dave!

That said, Scott is also playing the game, and if Keith falls for it, I'll scream. I think Keith needs to remain loyal, even if he feels Dave has been less than loyal, because it's the honorable thing to do (despite Scott trying to convince him otherwise.) Dave was right--driving a wedge between Dave and Keith was a desperation ploy on Scott's part to stay in the game. Unfortunately, Dave gave him so much fodder to use! and Keith seems vulnerable to it. Scott is really creepy. A lot like Roddy, yeah. No heart. I haven't thought he had a heart for a long time.

YAY!! Amy is GONE GONE GONE. I am so glad she left. I was nervous up until she walked up the stairs that there would be another twist allowing her to stay. Ugh, I'm so glad I don't have to look at her or hear her screechy voice anymore! and it was Keith, her nemesis, that kicked her outta there! Hah!

I want Charla and Keith to win. Don't know how that could happen, but you never know. I'm OK with Tara and Keith winning, for sure. Not so keen on Dave winning anymore.

I do NOT want to see the past guests return AGAIN. UGH!!

I'm going to have to tape next Wednesday's show, though. I have conflicts. Dang them for not wrapping it up this week. Next week Angel premieres (with Spike!!!), and the Bachelor with Bob is on at the same time, too.

Realfan

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Charla has a funny tooth? I never noticed. Why is that more bothersome than Tara's long face or Keith's close-set eyes or Dave's nose?

Auntiemike

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I just rewatched my 2 hour tape of PH and have come to the conclusion that Keith will pick Holly/Scott to leave as he has always been loyal and trustworthy and I think he has a stronger allegience toward Dave/Charla. I also hope Keith and Tara win the BIG PRIZE, whatever that may be.

I think Dave has overplayed to his disadvantage while Keith has kept a good balance. I also like the relationship he has with Tara which may continue after this show. I think the Dave/Charla relationship is very one sided and destined to be doomed.

Go Keith and Tara!

Surealityjunkie

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I tend to agree with you AuntieMike simply because Keith went to Scott & Holly last night and said that he wanted to be honest and let them know that he would have a hard time voting off Dave & Charla. That alone tipped me to believe that he would choose Dave & Charla to stay... Plus, in the bottom of my heart I think Keith knows that Dave would pick him over Scott anyday although Dave has been pretty underhanded in showing his loyalty.

On a side note, on the official PH message board on person posted that they met Keith and Tara one day when he/she was out and about. Said they were very gracious and kind, signed autographs and were cute together... Someone else posted that he/she saw Scott & Holly together and they seemed nice & happy.

The latest Yahoo! feeds have not been updated. I hope we get something this week and next!!! Otherwise, I will be upset. They have also added exclusive feeds for Tempation Island 3 and Survivor but I don't watch either of those shows...

Lizadee

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did I hear Charla say she is from MN.
I am from MN. and I hope she doesn't bring Dave back here !!
He is so scary he is so in love with here he looks like he may follow her
She may have to get a restraining order against him
Do you see when she talks about stuff like for ex. when she did the snake thing around her neck and her saying how cool it was to have the snake against her skin and how it was just grabbing her skin she thought that was so cool
And then they show dorky dave looking back in the past at pandoras box and her saying ohhh I can't stand when he touches my skin (Dave) LOL
The guy needs a serious nose job !!!!!!
Anyways does anyone know what part of MN. Charla is from ???

Laura11103

Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
bare skin to be exact...

those flashbacks are lame cuz who's to say Dave was thinking about that moment, I'm sure he wasn't.