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Cute1073

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
is it just me or does anyone think that the 'originals' convinced melanie to pick dave as there strategy and left her shafted in the end? How did they think they were 'definately' going to be able to get a certain person off?
Once again its all in who is on your side and if you don't have a partner you're screwed....so where does that leave tom next week? no where!
unless they let him choose smokey

Beachcomber88

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dogdoc, I hope you're kidding about Amy being photogenic. No matter how much makeup she plasters on her left cheek, those three zits keep popping up.

I would have liked to see Melanie choose Scott. I think he may have chosen her over Holly. As "ridiculous" as Holly's question was to him about who he would choose, he could have at least reassured her before getting out of bed.

Is it a requirement that everyone on this show needs to have huge knockers? Never noticed Melanie's until tonight when she was standing up with Amanda. Not quite the size of Holly, but still impressive.

Curiouscat

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Scott needed to reassure Holly about who he would have chosen because he had just said Melanie told him she would not get between him and Holly and have him make that kind of situation. This went completely over Holly's head though and that was his point in the whole conversation. She did not understand it and that is why he got out of bed. Holly's questioning him about why he hangs around with the "Barbie" group shows she has no idea about the saying, keep your friends close, your enemies closer. Scott is playing it well because Dave and Keith trust Scott.

It looks like a guy will be voted off on Wednesday's show. The previews showed Tom in near tears I thought. Anyone see that shot?

Kellee

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 05:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When I think about it either which way Melanies boat was sunk...cause if by some twist Dave chose her over Charla ...then Charla's allies were Tara and Melanie...and there was no way Charla would have taken Tara out of the game...

I just dont get why everyone feels this over whelming need to protect Amy..."you don't deserve to go"..."I am making the choice for you" ..."I dont need the words"...damn Desierre was channeling Toni...

The balance of power is a hell of alot more equal this time ...and seeing as they had the guys write it down as well makes you wonder if they will be using them again in some manner for the next double eviction...and if it is the allies again then Keith and Dave are pretty safe to have at least one stay...Scott on the other hand is walking a thin line seeing as EVERYONE put him down as an ally...*LOL*

Dogdoc

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Beachcomber, I called them "mug shots" because they caught her making all the horrible faces that are usual for her. I was joking about the photogenic. I hope she sees how she looks to us. Did you see the smiles on her's and Desiree's faces when they thought that Melanie was going to pick Charla to take off and instead she had to pick an ally. I loved watching their faces change. That was so noble (joke) of Desiree to take herself off. She has the heart of a Toni who was also brave (joke).

Just4fun

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
kellee,

Seeing as they already did an eviction of an ally I wouldn't be surprised if they changed it for the next elmination and evict a rival for an added twist. What do you think?

Kellee

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just

I am torn on that one cause your right it would make more sense for them to switch it up but they may be thinking that is what is expected and not do it that way...someone on another board suggested that maybe what they would do is have him chose his rival and then his rival must choose from their allies who to go...so Tom had down Dave...Dave had down Keith and Scott which would most likely mean Scott would go but not sure how that would fit into the revenge thing...I am thinking it has to be Dave or Keith walking the line next week cause those are the ones everyone wants revenge on...

but there are only three more shows so a double evict next time..they are down to seven...after that I think they will go in couple eviction or single...who knows..

I spend way too much time thinking about this show..*LOL*

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 06:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The ones I dislike the most are Dave, Keith, Tara and especially Charla. The way it was set up, it looks like these four can make it all the way to the end - they will just keep swapping amongst themselves and choose each other. This doesn't seem fair.

However, I am almost certain that next week, the odd guy out will be taking his rival along with him. I believe Tom said Dave. I think Scott and Beau said Keith. They have to evict people in at least groups of 2 - they said they are going to get it down to 2 final guests. I think there will be four left on the last show, and then there will somehow be an eviction until the last guy and girl are standing. BTW, have they said yet what the big prize is? Is it a trip for the final two, or something like that?

How childish of Melanie. I can't believe that she was blubbering in the bed about how she and Scott had this connection that they promised each other was going to last forever, but then after Melanie got sent home, SHE came around and ruined everything. So insanely stupid. They had known each other a week and Melanie acted like Scott was hers alone for all time.

I still can't believe I actually sat through the entire hour.

Melsky

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Kelle except that since Dave is Tom's rival, I think that Dave will have to pick between the two allies of Tom, not his own. In which Tom had Beau & Scott as his allies. Dave has already said that he considers Scott one of his allies, so he will choose Beau to leave. But then again I have been known to be wrong before.....

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Dave put Scott down as an ally because he had no one else to put down. Who did Keith put down as his other ally besides Dave?

I hate Dave. I hated him when he first came on and he has only grown more and more irritating. That whole speech where he apologized to Scott was just pathetic. He is so manipulative and slimy. Even that "Scott, I put you down as an ally" line was transparent. I think Dave only put Scott down to dissuade Scott from listing Dave as a rival. And it worked.

Tagurit

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keith put Tom and Dave as his allies. His rival was Beau.

Dave is playing the game. He has been playing it since he got there. Of course he will lie to people. What do you expect? I don't see him as manipulative. I see him as someone that is very competitive. He is always trying to think one step ahead. We saw how he and Tara were going through who would pick who as ally and rival. He is just a bit smarter than the rest. Instead of playing under the radar, like Scott, he is out there trying to win.

I had to laugh at Dogdoc's statement about Amy being photogenic. I figured he was being sarcastic. The previews of her eating at the table were disgusting. Looked like such a pig.

Avrey258

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog,
I think you're the first person I've encountered that is rooting for the "good" people, or the Originals. I can't stomach Amy. I really dislike Beau. I can tolerate Scott although I think he has a lot of nerve confronting Dave. Scott is also playing the game hard so why he confronted Dave is beyond me.

Was anyone else surprised that Matt would go to Scott and tell him of Dave's plan? Thanks Matt.
So glad Desiree is gone. Why she thinks Amy deserves to be there is beyond me.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Even though I don't like any of Dave, Keith, Tara, and Charla, I don't like Amy either. Why is everyone at that hotel so enamored of her? We have now seen two women (Toni and Desiree) sacrifice themselves for her (although Desiree would have been chosen anyways, she seemed to have no problem with it).

I think she is very whiny. I think it's funny that in one of the recaps on the Fox board it talks about how "the sea air has not been good for Amy's acne."

Actually I don't really care for any of them. The only people that seem decent to me are Tom and Beau. But I haven't been following this show much all summer, I only watched last night because of the NEO syndrome.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey, LOL. As I said, I haven't watched much all summer. I think I just really dislike Dave and maybe that's why I'd prefer anybody but him or his alliance to win.

Gina8642

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just watched again. Can I just say how extremely easy it was for the producers to manipulate the second person leaving? If someone from the group/alliance they wanted to leave was the woman booted - then you make her pick from her alliance choices. If someone from the group you don't want to leave is picked - then you make her boot her biggest rival.

This is soooo staged!

Compared to the average american - all these people are highly telegenic - but compared to the average person on TV? Amy isn't doing so well there. Sorry Amy.

Djgirl5235

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keith put Tom down as his other ally, and put Beau as his rival...

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Gina, they could just as easily have had Melanie take with her her biggest rival, which is what I thought was going to happen.

However, I don't think that I consider Dave telegenic even compared to the average American!!

Realfan

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<I just dont get why everyone feels this over whelming need to protect Amy..."you don't deserve to go"..."I am making the choice for you" ..."I dont need the words"...damn Desierre was channeling Toni... >>

No kidding!! And Amy is SUCH a hypocrite. Her crap about how she will sacrifice herself rather than see a friend go, then she just sits there and lets Desiree do exactly that for her. Did she protest at ALL? I don't recall. And she's been there longest of the women (except for CHARLA, hello!), but wouldn't that mean she ought to step aside and let Desiree have more of the experience? She is such a drama queen, and so incredibly selfish. Go home to Zaqqque, Amy, and get your ugly face off my TV screen! The "good people"--maybe in your own private hell. Notice Beau said people in AZ were rooting for her? Not people across America. Cuz it ain't so.

Weren't the scenes of Amy cooking (and eating) totally disturbing? Hey, Zack--This is what you have to look forward to! She can't even cook! And when she does, she contaminates everything with Amy germs!

<<I haven't been following this show much all summer, I only watched last night because of the NEO syndrome. >>

Ah, that explains it. (What is NEO?) If you had seen the last couple of weeks, you would DESPISE the Originals as much as most of us here on this board, and every other board I visit. They were horrid, horrid people in the previous episodes--the worst people I have ever seen on reality TV. Like Jerry Springer guests come to life. The worst traits of humanity were embodied in these people, who acted like they were in Junior high or reenacting Lord of the Flies. The way they treated Charla, Tara, Dave, and Keith was so bad, I almost quit watching.

I hate them all except the Fab Four, and I am so glad I won't have to look at Desiree's backstabbing face and her "happy talk" hands again!

Gina, I was thinking about the fix, too, but the card said ally, not rival. And there was only one card. Of course, the chances of it being Charla or Tara were very slim, considering their solid alliance with Dave and Keith.

But I don't mind. It was highly unfair to the Fab Four to bring back the originals for three days to dish the dirt on them, and not fair to bring back two guests who had been told they were "leaving paradise forever," either.

Crazydog

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Realfan, NEO = Nothing Else On

I agree with you about Amy. She just made these odd teary whining sounds when Desiree said she was leaving. Amy said something like "it's not fair", "it's not right". I agree, she has been there the ENTIRE time. Don't you think you would get bored/tired after THREE MONTHS of dealing with all of these people? It'd be different if we knew what they were actually playing for - I still have no idea.

She was given the opportunity to leave and show how much her friends meant to her, but she just stood there and did nothing.

The scenes of the women cooking were just pathetic. It was hysterical to see Amy just plop that whole fish on the grill. She needed to wrap it in aluminum foil first, and lower the heat. The thing looked disgusting as she peeled it off the grill. I don't understand why one of the guys didn't give her tips on how to grill. Dave said the hot dogs were the worst hot dogs he had ever seen, but they really weren't that bad. I would have expected a black stick from what he was saying.

Tagurit

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, I have been wanting to tell you that I always enjoy reading your posts. You are usually feeling the same way as I am.

<<The way it was set up, it looks like these four can make it all the way to the end - they will just keep swapping amongst themselves and choose each other. This doesn't seem fair.>>

I missed that sentence when I skimmed the posts. They have ALL been swapping amongst each other. It has been going on all summer. Can't point out just the four. Everyone is guilty of it.

I agree about the women cooking! Disgusting! If I were one of the guys, I would of gone hungry that day. I would of been afraid of food poisoning! lol I also agree that Amy is pathetic and whiny. She has gotten on my last nerve. She claims she cares about these people but does nothing to show it. Instead of screaming about making Melanie decide, she should of stepped up and said that she would go. And do exactly that. Goodness knows, the show would be easier for me to deal with.

I just realized that Sureality hasn't been around! Hope she is ok! She usually does a great job with posting the show as it is on.

Beachcomber88

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Desiree/Amy decision was one of those fake awkward moments where we both know that neither of the two are being sincere. Sort of like how when you're out at a restaurant with a friend and you both wait to see if the other will offer to pay. I don't believe that Desiree really wanted to go. But she felt that it would be the honorable thing to do. And like it was mentioned above, she probably knew that she would be picked anyway. So it was a way to save face.

Gina, I think you're exactly right about the eviction decision. I bet in future episodes, we're going to see others try to "outthink" Fox and put down opposite answers. But somehow I only see Dave as being smart enough to have this kind of foresight.

Crazydog, I agree, Dave is a dork. I thought so from the very beginning when he came on and showed his man boobs to America. But of the remaining, he's the most normal. The Originals are more revolting. Amy disgusts me. How this child is a cheerleader on a B-class football team is beyond me. Beau is equally as annoying. Zack, Toni, and Andon were despicable.

Realfan

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Awww, Tagurit, I'm blushing. And I feel the same way about you, Surreality, DJ, Avrey, Beachcomber, and all the rest of the great folks here.

I got a kick out of the Charla/Tara "you complete me" bonding segment. They are so cute, I want to adopt them both!

The Scott ragging on Dave thing just made me think less of Scott. The way he's been treating Holly adds to that. True, Holly is being immature, but Scott being rude to her, too. I don't like either of them.

As for Dave, yes, he's tried to manipulate things, but so have all of them. I didn't think it was necessary for Scott to get all over him like that. I mean, BIG DEAL, he coached Matt on a question. So what.

Auntiemike

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
When I met my future husband he said, "I look for the person inside the outer shell." This was great as I was obese and, in my opinion, not much in the looks department. With that said, I thinkt he same way about Dave. He is not much to look at but has intelligence, compassion, loyalty, cunning, competitive spirit, etc. all qualities that will carry him through life with hopefully positive results.

I also sense that there is a layer of respect from the "originals" even though they profess not to like him and lump him with the other three that they despise. I do feel they know when they have crossed the line with him and yet seem to include him to a greater extent than the others.

Just my observations for what they are worth.

Elle

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm a charla fan.

Jan

Tuesday, September 16, 2003 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Auntiemike. Dave is more respected (it seems to me anyway) by the others than Charla and Keith and Tara (although they still don't like him).

me too Elle..I am a T/C/D/K fan