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Kimmo | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 08:31 am     Jedisan, I'm just quoting your post from the other thread below. To respond, even though I didn't see this week's ep, when I glimpsed A and J making out in the limo last week, it seemed like they were totally into each other to the point that it made me uncomfortable. I think Jen must be pretty confident that she and Andrew have something he doesn't have with Kirsten (whose name he apparently keeps mispronouncing)! But then, if he felt something different with Jen, why give every girl the same spiel-- Maybe he is told to do this generic monologue to keep viewers in the dark? <<Kirsten looked like she had been hit w/ a mack truck when he let Tina go. She TRULY thought (IMO) that Tina was her only competition, and now she must adjust her game plan since her and Jen are nothing alike, and they both know it. I agree with other posters that Andrew came off last night as a first class jerk. DId anyone else notice that T & K both pressured him to reveal if they were going to be let go, which he artfully dodged by saying,"i am with YOU, here in the moment.." yadda, yadda. He gave the same speech to all of them. What i found interesting is that J DID NOT BRING UP THE ISSUE at all. He was just in his speech zone, and felt compelled to tell her this stuff, even though she did not even ask about it. She was just enjoying her moment with him. My two cents>> |
Abby7 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 08:34 am     Tina just got out of a 7 year relationship? Didn't Andrew say last night that she was only 22 (she does look older)? So, she started a relationship at 15? |
Bracken | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 08:47 am     Fabnsab -- I have AOL, but have no idea what you are talking about for viewing the "morning after" stuff. Could you please post how I would access this information. Thanks in advance. |
Denecee | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 08:47 am     I thought it looked like Andrew was struggling to choose between K&T for the last rose. Tina was not my favorite but I liked her a heck of alot more than Kirsten. Kirsten reminds me of the girl in highschool who wanted every guy to think she is the hottest chick at school. She looked so uninterested in what Andrew was saying at the rose ceremony. "Just give me the rose!" |
Kimmo | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 09:00 am     Gee, if he was really struggling between K and T, that seems to make it obvious that he has already picked Jen in his mind. |
Fabnsab | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 09:16 am     Bracken, just go to aol keyword"bachelor" and that should do it. |
Bracken | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 09:28 am     Many thanks Fabnsab, will do that as soon as I finish this post. I just caught Regis & Kelly, I never watch, but wanted to see what Andrew would say to those two -- they are quite outspoken. Regis said the sound effects were something that belonged on Fox, something to the effect -- this is ABC folks. Then Andrew got on the phone and Kelly asked him about spending the night with the "ladies" as he calls them (is anybody beginning to be annoyed at this reference), he could use the term "women" occasionally. Anyway, so he said that it was a tiring day and they were too tired to go back to their respective hotel rooms, you should have seen the look on R&K faces, haha. Anyway, he said it was perfectly innocent and nothing happened that would not be shown on "All My Children." To this Kelly replied "So, you're related to these girls?" That was just the best line. He just ignored the comment. He also made some reference about how he poured his heart out to one of them -- I'm thinking he meant Jen. So, based on this most recent information, I'm going with Jen for his choice, and she's too good for him. |
Bracken | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 09:39 am     Thanks again Fabnsab. I have had AOL for over two years and thought the "keyword" button was just another Google type search key. Never realized that there was exclusive content for the exhorbitant fees I pay for AOL, haha. I'm assuming this video was made after she was kicked to the curb? If not, she had reservations about him and his lifestyle and should not have been chosen anyway. For all you non AOL users, the current survey has Jen @ 59% and Kirsten at 41% for choice for Andrew, 114,000+ votes. |
Djgirl5235 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 09:44 am     Abby, that's not unimaginable... I went to highschool with people who were married at 22, and had been together for 10 years. It happens... |
Jedisan | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 07:19 am     Kirsten looked like she had been hit w/ a mack truck when he let Tina go. She TRULY thought (IMO) that Tina was her only competition, and now she must adjust her game plan since her and Jen are nothing alike, and they both know it. I agree with other posters that Andrew came off last night as a first class jerk. DId anyone else notice that T & K both pressured him to reveal if they were going to be let go, which he artfully dodged by saying,"i am with YOU, here in the moment.." yadda, yadda. He gave the same speech to all of them. What i found interesting is that J DID NOT BRING UP THE ISSUE at all. He was just in his speech zone, and felt compelled to tell her this stuff, even though she did not even ask about it. She was just enjoying her moment with him. My two cents |
Moderator | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 10:05 am     The above post was moved here at Jedisan's request. (22) |
Abby7 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 10:21 am     Dj: I don't think it is unimaginable either. I know people who have too. It's just that Tina said being with Andrew would get in the way of her goals/career. Surprising that she would be in a 7 year relationship if career was her priority. Her comments at the end seemed to contradict the whole point of the show. Why did she even go on the show? |
Jedisan | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 10:25 am     Thanks MOD - and Kimmo. You guys are great! |
Uhoh | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:06 pm     bracken - NO, you're not the only one annoyed with andrew's always calling them ladies vs women. i'm also very tired of him talking about 'mrs. firestone.' i'd love for the one he picks in the end to say, 'yes, i'll accept the rose, i'll marry you, and we'll live happily ever after - as long as you understand i will never give up my maiden name and there will never be a mrs. andrew firestone.' abby7 - i don't think tina was contradictory at all. her bf might not have put the emphasis on what he wants as having a 'mrs. x' and kids soon. there are men who tend to want a traditional wife, and men who want strong, independent partners who also have a career. there's nothing wrong with either, but they are indeed different. |
Beachcomber88 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:14 pm     Abby, yes, perhaps Tina has a bit of sour grapes and that's why she said what she did. I however think it's a pleasant departure from the "Now I'm in the limo, I'll break down and sob" drama that we've been used to seeing. This has been my least favorite Bachelor/ette. Anyone else beginning to tire of these also? As it's ABC's "Survivor/American Idol", I'm sure that we'll continue to see the same old story over and over again. |
Beachcomber88 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:19 pm     Uhoh, I agree. Andrew's too into himself. But then again, when you grow up with a silver spoon and have everything handed to you, is it really all that surprising? I haven't been following this season as closely as the others, but from what I've seen of him, he's a self-centered pretender. His speech to Tina last night was so superficial. "I put myself out there and tried to meet her halfway." Whatever. I'm glad to see she shut him down and didn't give him the satisfaction of letting him see her cry. |
Crazydog | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 12:41 pm     I haven't been following this season that closely either, but I was pleased with Tina's departure. Never cared for her. I thought she was really stuck up. Question, has the Bachelor always walked the rejectees to their limo? I seem to recall the host saying, "time for you to say goodbye" and they just leave. Now they get a little "so sad too bad" chit chat and kiss at their limo. Or maybe I'm just thinking of the earlier rounds when there are so many of them. |
Jedisan | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 01:24 pm     Crazydog: You are correct - they only started the "exit interview" with the Bachlorette, and it is carrying over. I, for one, do not care for it, I wish they would just let them break down in the car, but it does give us more to laugh at (ie: Christine telling Andrew that he made a BIG MISTAKE by letting her go!) Classic, and we would not have seen it otherwise. |
Ginger1218 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 01:50 pm     Okay, I didn't mind Tina too much, I thought she had a "way about her". I did think that at times she was pretty cute, but when she showed up for the rose ceremonies, she combed her hair back and it made her look ugly. It was not her best look. It made her look hard and haughty, but with her hair parted on the side she had a softer look. Anyway, I find Kirsten wayyyyy more annoying. I hate that valley girl way of speaking she has. |
Crazydog | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 01:54 pm     Yes Ginger, I agree. The way Tina pulled all her hair back made her look very... severe. But I thought it fit her personality. She seems a little overconfident and bizatchy at the ceremonies. |
Realfan | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 03:03 pm     ITA with most of the comments here. It made sense he cut Tina because he probably knew she wasn't that hung up on him. BUT I don't know why he told her she had nothing to worry about and similar sentiments. Talk about leading someone on! It seemed from Tina's interview on the morning show that she really was in this just to get a job in TV. I hope he'll choose Jen because I can't stand Kirsten, but I think Jen is too good for him. I think his family should love her, though. Kirsten's speech annoys the heck out of me. WAY too Valley Girl, she runs her words together, says "like" every other sentence, and generally sounds "clueless." If he DOES choose Kirsten--the one who takes every opportunity to dis the other girls (he never really asked about them directly last night, just about her "opinions")--then he deserves her. I also noticed that Jen didn't pressure him about the other girls, he just felt compelled to talk. I like her. I could see having her for a friend, unlike me-me-me Kirsten, like, y'know. Funny question on the Morning Show: the interviewer pointed out to Tina that Andrew parroted Kirsten's opinion about her "not being ready for a relationship" almost word for word in his later talk with Tina. Tina remained unfazed by the comment, but it was interesting. Andrew seems a little vapid sometimes, unable to form his own opinions about the women. And I was glad the host pointed out that Kirsten is all of ONE YEAR older than Tina. My husband thinks Andrew is a little dense. I think he's immature, and they should stick with older people for this show (late 20s, 30s). I also agree that the format is growing stale, and they need to mix it up a litle, like with more one-on-one dates or putting things in different order, at least. |
Mlt | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 03:05 pm     I'm still on my 'I'm mad at Andrew' rant. (I guess he still has a chance to redeem himself, but I want to be mad for a bit longer <g>). The latest rant has to do with an interview Andrew gave in which he claimed to have only kissed four women on the show. The link can be found here: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/134697811_overcoffee080.html I suspect he means Christina, Tina, Jen and Kirsten. Yet if you look at the spoiler caps, and you look at numbers 139 and 140, it is obvious that he also kissed Amber. That link can be found here: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID42/201.shtml#7 It also seems to me that I saw a photo of Andrew kissing Anne-Michelle - and I don't mean that peck that we saw on the show. I mean some serious lip lock. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I saw it. So now I'm mad at him about his treatment of Tina - letting her go after whatever happened behind that bedsheet in Haway - but also for lying. Just thought I'd share that happy thought <g> |
Beachcomber88 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 03:48 pm     Realfan, I agree with you. I've thought that Andrew wasn't a great pick to be the bachelor from the very beginning. I stand by my guns that he is spoiled, self-centered, egotistical, and loves being the center of attention. If one more Bachelor says "You don't know how hard it is to have to choose from three great women. It's tearing me up inside", I will barf up my dinner in disgust. This show is getting old. Seems like every season we can substitute different faces and the dialogue is exactly the same. It needs a new spark. I think ABC chose Andrew in the wake of all the Joe Millionaire excitement. "Fox didn't have a real millionaire... WE do!" I think they were looking for someone with lots of money to fit that mold. It's unfortunate that they found a Firestone. Not only is he stinking rich, but he comes with the family legacy to boot. How could they go wrong? I will contend that they have made a terrible choice. Does anyone know how this show is doing in the ratings? |
Crazydog | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 03:56 pm     I agree with you Beach. I think it is exactly ABC's response to Joe Millionaire - they were hoping those viewers would want to watch a real fairy tale to help spark this slumping franchise. Have any of the girls brought up that, uh, unfortunate tire incident? And why does a millionaire from one of America's richest families need to go on a show like this to find someone? |
Beachcomber88 | Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 04:05 pm     Crazy, his name may be Firestone, but his part of the family actually did not make their money in the tire business. I seem to remember them saying he is the great or great-great grandson of the tire maker. I think his branch of the family made their money in wine or something like that. Talk about one well-off family lineage! If there's such a thing as American royalty, the Firestones rank right up there with the Kennedys. Maybe Andrew is like all the other Bachelors - he's a wannabe actor looking for the big break! LOL. His wealth really makes me disinterested in him. I'm sure however that it has the opposite effect on the potential Mrs. Firestones. |
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