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Whoami | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 08:50 pm     Sorry for the all caps in the title. But CRIPES! Carmen should have gone a few weeks ago. Yet when she has her best performance, and clearly outperformes Josh, out she goes. Trenyce was never a favorite of mine. But she had a blast doing Proud Mary last night. She shone in both performances. Josh was a far and distant fifth. It is outragous that Rueben placed below Josh. The whole audience knew it, Josh knew it. The judges knew it. Even Ryan, who tries to keep things lighthearted looked pissed and disapointed. I have nothing against Josh. He's obviously a stand up guy. I appreciate he serves his country, but I'm not convinced he didn't get some special privelege to stay here and give the military and Fox some good old PR. I'm not convinced he wouldn't have been sent over to Iraq if it weren't for the show. Josh and Carmen started this show out as two of the weakest contestants. Josh has slid backwards, if anything, rather than improve himself each week. It's emarassing that he is getting by on the Patriotic vote. It's making a mockery of patriotism in itself. Rant over. |
Costacat | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 08:55 pm     Gotta admit, Whoami! I'm with you all the way! Josh has pretty much gone backwards, while all the rest have really done a lot better. The gap between the other four and Josh is humongous! And I do find it pretty amazing that almost the entire military population in San Diego was deployed. Except for Josh's division. If, heaven forbid, he wins, should be even more interesting to see how the military handles THAT! Will they give him special dispensation to go on tour? Will they give him an early honorable discharge? |
Spygirl | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 08:56 pm     Josh obviously has a huge bunch of people who will identify with him and call in votes for him - for whatever reasons. I don't think there is anything we can do about that but continue to vote for our favorite(s). JMO. |
Jimmer | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 08:59 pm     I think this vote says a lot about how the American public thinks. |
Spygirl | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:06 pm     It says to me that there are a lot of military people supporting Josh - a wide base (no pun intended) of people all identifying with one of the final contestants - a wide base that no other person tonight could compete with (i.e. no one else belongs to a group that has that many potential voters). It is the same as a democratic versus a republican vote. You try to get the people out to the polls who are more likely to vote for your party. Well, apparently the military community is voting for Josh. |
Hummingbird | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:07 pm     Will people please quit dialing in numbers just to see if they are busy! All those unintended votes could have made a difference. I wish everybody could only vote once. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:13 pm     the other day people were posting that ruben's church was supplying phones for members of the congregation to call in over and over. i guess it's a surprise to find out there are other fan bases, too! we are a military family. we support clay. so you can't automatically think the military is going for josh. my guess is people got complacent last night and figured ruben had it made and didn't call in to vote for him. i almost didn't call for clay because i was so sure he was getting his share of calls. well, what if everyone felt that way? i'm with spygirl. just continue to phone in for your favorites...and know that no one is a shoe-in. |
Egbok | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:13 pm     Marines. The Few. The Proud. Semper Fi (Always Faithful) |
Whoami | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:16 pm     Well, they can't be too few now, can they? Obviously enough to push him farther up in the rankings than he belongs! Again, I have nothing against this man, and I don't blame him one bit for what's happening. I'm just tired of sympathy and popularity votes (from both seasons). We're supposed to be "judging" singers, not Prom King/Queen. |
Muse | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:19 pm     Okay, not a Josh fan and felt he deserved to go tonight, but...I don't feel comfortable *telling* people how they should vote. If someone really feels a need to vote for Josh for whatever reason, go for it. As for where his votes are coming from -- I do think some are military families, just based on what I've heard from friend/family who are either in the military or related to someone who is. But I think a lot more come from teenage girls and kids, many of whom really dig the whole Marine thing or the fact that Josh is good-looking (in their minds, that is -- I personally don't get the appeal). And in the long run, I think everything will work out. One of the audience favorites -- Ruben, Clay, or Kimberley -- will win. I'd bet good money on it. Josh may linger, but ultimately I don't see him having the fan base to last more than another week (and he'd be lucky to do that). |
Donut | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:21 pm     here here whoami! i am glad i am not the only ranter on this subject anymore! i say we start a conspiracy theory thread (we havent had a good one since BB..) i dont really have any opinion whether the show affected his military whereabouts, but i smell a big government plot to pull the rapping and britney spears loving and drug doing youth into a big conservative country music loving patriotic pile that our administraion can brainwash and control. didnt i see Gracin and Bush in 94 signs being held up in the audience? the bush picture flashing behind the group as they sang the patriotic song which suddenly usurped the free love and peace song as the charity single??? hmm, i think a major CIA network of josh voters is under foot.. LOL!(or maybe not so LOL..???) xfiles music fades in.... |
Spygirl | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:22 pm     Music is subjective - to some people where I work, Josh sounds great and Kim Locke is terrible. Go figure. <shrug> |
Spygirl | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:23 pm     LOL Donut - good to see you on the board |
Egbok | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:29 pm     LOL Donut! Just for the record, I'm feeling for Josh right now because he more than likely suspected he was supposed to go tonight. I'm thinking this whole fiasco must be very hard for him tonight. Next week's show should be very, very interesting. |
Wargod | Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 09:33 pm     Agree Spy...music is very subjective. People like what they do, and others may or may not agree with them. Josh has a fan base...I have no clue where it comes from. Maybe the marines are out in force, or teen girls have crushes, or just people out there who truly enjoy Josh for Josh. All I know is that at this point of the game, people have their favorites and their going to stick with them. Most of them won't change until they're favorite is kicked off or wins. Vote as you will, vote your favorite or favorites and enjoy the show. |
Pagal | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:03 am     Tabbyking - I am the original poster about churches in Alabama having vote drives for him. The churches provided the place to gather NOT the phones. Those calling in to vote for Ruben were using their own cell phones. |
Nimtu | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:52 am     Agree with Spy and War. There could be many reasons why people like Josh - not just the patriotic/marine thing. I suppose what strikes me the most is that he is country. Personally, I don't care for him, however, I don't care for Trenyce either (that whole finger flapping thing scares me!). I would have been happy to see either of them go last night. I am a Kim L. fan and have been since the beginning yet if she had gone last night I suppose I would have just believed that country fans only have one idol left to vote for and chalked it up to personal taste. |
Jeep | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 05:22 am     I'm not defending Josh, but I just don't think it's the military vote that's keeping him in this competition. I thought he should have been in the bottom two as well. But I noticed two things last night that made me think. First, when Ryan started to select the bottom two, he said they received millions of votes, but did not say exactly how many millions (as he has been each week). Maybe the votes were way down this week. It's possible that people did not vote because they think Clay and/or Ruben have it all sewn up. And the ones who did vote, voted for other people because they thought they were way down on the list. I see right here where people say they voted for so-and-so because the top contestants already have their fan base. Maybe not. Also, when Ryan was ready to announce either Ruben or Trenyce was booted, he again said to remember that it was very important to vote for your favorite to keep them in the competition. Again this makes me think this weeks votes were down. Another thought I had was that the viewing audience is voting for the very person Simon hits on hard that week. It's like a game "lets prove Simon wrong". If you thought Simon's face was priceless last night, just think how he would act if Josh wins this competition! So all this from a person who has not voted once during this show, but you can bet your bootie I will be voting for my favorite (Clay) next week. Take nothing for granted. I also want to say that I think Josh is a very decent, honorable person and he looked horrified when Ruben was announced as in the bottom two. He knows. I still don't think he'll win expecially after last night, but I do believe he'll be a great country singer one day. I wish him well and all the others, too. |
Djgirl5235 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 05:22 am     Personally, I'm not a big Ruben fan, neither am I a Josh fan. I've been supporting Clay 1st and Kim L 2nd all through the competition. However, Josh is definitely this year's NIKKI MCGIBBON, and I hate to say it - we HAVE to vote for our favourites this week - Kim L, Clay, or Ruben, all have a serious chance of being Tamyra'd and we can't let that happen!!! |
Hobbs | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:03 am     What is the big deal!! You all seem to have your knickers in a twist. And we all know how painful that can be. I want to go back to a post I made 2 weeks ago... <<I think voters have already put the contestents into one of 3 categories; Idol (Clay, Ruben), Okay but not great (Kim C, Kim L, Josh, Carmen, Trenyce), and Lousy (the rest of them). The groups are voted off as a pack. The order within the group is based on personality. That's why Kim C went before Carmen. A bad night will not lower your standing, but a great night will raise you up. I think Kim L is now in the Idol group after this week. But she'll have to retain her standing.>> It's that simple. I think you all agree that in the end it will be Ruben, Clay and Kim. So who cares in what order the others go in? Seeing Ruben in the bottom two was just a wake up call for him. This board was full of posts after Wednesday's show saying that Ruben hadn't raised his game. Same ol' Ruben they said. Well you can't have it both ways. And there have been posts for weeks about wanting to get rid of the "finger flapping" Trenyce. Well she's gone now folks. Stop your whining. I think I'll start a cheese thread to go with all the whine! I will admit that I was surprised that it was Trenyce and not Josh. That is only because Carmen went last week. I thought people had stopped voting on personality and had switched to talent. I guess last week was just a fluke. Now if he doesn't go next week, I'll be right there with the rest of you. If he wins this thing then all the legitimacy that they have built up with being a #1 show and Kelly having a #1 album will be shot. But that can't happen, can it? Random thoughts: They never showed Josh again after they came back from the commercial to have Ruben and Trenyce sing. I wonder why. There must not have been many votes this week because they only said "millions". We never got a number. To the people who are wondering how Josh will continue in the Marines and be an idol: Ever hear of Elvis Presley? |
Jeep | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:14 am     Oh Hobbs! I forgot about Elvis! With all the technology today, Josh could sing from anywhere! I also noticed the absence of a specific number of votes. I'm going to be sure I vote next week for my favorite Clay! |
Loraj | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:16 am     I don't even think it is the military vote. I think it is the same people who boycott the Dixie Chicks are sitting their thinking that by voting for Josh, it is their patriotic duty. If Ruben goes before Josh does, I am not watching this show anymore. Maybe they should start charging a fee for the phone calls. Maybe then will only the truly talented be able to move on! |
Hobbs | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:17 am     Yeah Jeep. They will use him for recruiting. He definatly isn't the lean mean fighting machine he once was! |
Wink | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:49 am     Great post Hobbs. >>>I will admit that I was surprised that it was Trenyce and not Josh. That is only because Carmen went last week. I thought people had stopped voting on personality and had switched to talent.<<<<< I totally agree. |
Nanarobin | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:32 am     I must agree with almost every post above, as well. This is a shame for the voting to be popularity and not talent...or so it seems! My biggest fear is that American will react to the so obviously bias of all 3 judges this season (which was soooo much more blatantly pro-Ruben last night after the voting was revealed). That is just not fair to Kim and Clay....or even to Josh. They all should have a level playing field. I must also agree with couple of posts that perhaps the free voting should change to paid voting so as to keep it more fair. Some folks just get greedy with 'free' stuff. (even an ole retiree like me!) I know when I felt so sure about BB, I paid the money to vote several weeks. I have to admit that last night was my first attempt to vote on AI...which I totally screwed up time-wise. Next week, I will ensure that both my landline and cell phones are busy--doing my part for my cutie, Clay!! NanaRobin |
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