Aaron/Helene & Trista and Ryan show tonite
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Mack

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 07:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was not and still am not a Helene fan. That doesn't mean there's anything particularly "wrong" with her, she's just not the type of woman I'd be interested in. My thought was that she was too high maintenance in terms of her emotional needs and it appears that was a large part of the disconnect between she and Aaron. At the same time that doesn't mean there's anything particularly "wrong" with Aaron either. I like telling my wife I love her and never a day goes by that I don't tell her or show her in some way but that's just me. Luckily she likes that but at the same time doesn't demand it. I think Helene "demanded" it and Aaron just wasn't the type to provide it. Take into account time and distance and you get just what you saw last night. Long distance relationships are hard enough as it is so I'm really not surprised at the outcome.

On the other hand, I am encouraged by the behavior I saw between Trista and Ryan. As a psychologist I liked what I saw, editing notwithstanding. Of the 3 couples out of the Bachelor shows they definitely have the best shot to really make it. I almost felt like they were on the verge of announcing an actual wedding date but held back for personal reasons.

Realbiz

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
*charlie's news*

on Good Morning America this morning, Charlie said he is already dating a girl for couple of months now... he said he couldn't see her publicly before the show ended but now they can. wow, he "moved on" fast. on second thought, he never really fell in love with Trista during the show. so it's a good ending afterall, they all seem happy now.:)

Rslover

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I always liked Helene. After seeing the interview, that opinion has only been reinforced. She came across as sincere and seemed to be really hurt by the whole situation. When she talked of him ogling other women, I could see it. I think all the attention probably went to this head and obviously women were recognizing him. He probably thought he was a little boy in a candy store. But, she was right to be hurt, if this was true. He was engaged to her. Aaron, to me, came across as very cold and uncaring. He seemed totaly oblivious to anything she said and whatever he said was incoherent. I didn't understand anything he was saying. He claimed he saw another side of her and lost feelings. Then, why did he claim to love her only hours before? It appeared that they only saw each other about 4 times after the taping. So, it wasn't like he really tried to make the relationship work. He also came across as very uncommunicative. No wonder, he has already had two broken engagements and he isn't even 30 yet! He really is clueless. I hope Helene finds a great guy as she deserves one.

I too, was duped into thinking Charlie was the one. But, I have to say I think this may be the real thing. Charlie came across as a nice guy and sincere. He acted gracious and honest when he said he wasn't in love with her but wanted to see where the relationship might go. It was nice that he didn't act cocky or pretend he didn't have any feelings for her.

Needmylifeback

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 09:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Although I feel sorry for Helene...I think that she has always had major insecurity issues ( and another issue being that she refuses to move and expected Aaron to go to her...) and was actually looking for excuses (may have been subconsiously). Whatever the interpretation of the "bar scene" - either one was not a reason to return the ring if she was truely in love with Aaron (especially if they "talked all night") -

I think Helene has "needs" that no-one is capable of fullfilling. She has a very big TRUST issue that no amount of apologising/reinforceing/acknowledgement is ever going to meet her requirement.

The reference that Aaron made that he wasn't shocked at her interview and that he had heard it all for three months led me to understand that Helene had proved to be very high maintenance for him.

I think they are both at fault in the disentigration of the relationship...but, I also think that Helene (although she "acted" like it during the interview)wasn't ready for the commitment to Aaron. (But, I didn't think she was at the end of the show either!)

Marameko

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel bad for Helene, but it seems she was being pretty demanding and actually still getting to know Aaron. The more I watched her the more I like her although I was rooting for the blonde who was thinking <or is in > law school. Helene was less clingy then Brooke who seemed very sweet. I just would not want Brooke to hook up with Aaron now.......Just a matter of principle.

Yuhuru

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 12:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't see the special, but of course I have an opinion :)

I don't see how any of these Bachelor/ette couples can work. I has to be extremely difficult to watch the show and see what goes on (in particular) when it's down to two people. there are a lot of intimate moments that occur. I'd probably be really insecure too. I mean, how hard is it to watch the person you love agonize over who to choose. And let's not forget they dated for 6 weeks(=4 dates max?).

I hope things work out between Ryan and Trista, but he's gotta be sick of hearing how great a guy Charlie is (and all of the guys for that matter)

They should change the format of the show. The ending shouldn't involve a proposal at all because I think people fast track themselves to be in love in order to have a proposal. The Bachelor/ette should pick someone to spend 2 weeks in Europe with to get to know eah other.

I know. I'm being silly.

Curlyq

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhuru, I don't think that's silly at all. The main reason I've tried to avoid the Bachelor series is because it treats marriage so lightly. If they didn't make it about seeking a spouse, but rather about finding a potential boyfriend/girlfriend I might be more inclined to watch it myself and I'd take it a lot more seriously. None of these couples ever get married anyway, so why not do away with that part? End it the way "Joe Millionaire" did, with the couple just deciding they want to get to know each other better.

Curious1

Friday, February 21, 2003 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhuru, I totally agree about being insecure while watching the show going on. I can understand how having to watch all that and hearing alot of people are rooting for the bachelor to pick someone other than you could make someone even more insecure than they are normally. I don't think that Aaron gave the time it would require to make any woman feel complete trust in him given the circumstances of the show and all. Helene may have serious trust issues but seriously I don't think I would trust him and believe he was sure of his decision in such a short time either.

I think that they should change the format of the show to allow the bachelor/ette and the contestants to go into seclusion during the duration of the show. This would mean having to speed up the show (less episodes) and it would require cost but if ABC really wants to see positive outcomes they need to accomadate the couples more in that stressful time during which the show aires. JMHO

Rslover

Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The way Aaron went on and on about Helene's beauty was disgusting. I agree, she is. Though, to keep emphasizing that and nothing else showed how shallow he is and that he only thought of her as a trophy.

Hootyhoot

Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If the bucket has a hole in it, no matter how much you pour in, you can never fill it. I think this old saying applies to Helene. She just didn't seem ready to accept Aaron's commitment. She always gave me the feeling that she was stalling for time, laughing it off, backpedalling. Someone else remarked on how when Aaron went to kiss her, she always kept right on talking ...

Realfan

Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Helene wasn't ready to accept Aaron's commitment or word for a very good reason--she sensed he would dump her in the end, and he did. Maybe it was a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I think he wanted to play the field, but come off as the "good guy" as long as possible, which meant staying with Helene until the last possible moment.