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Crazydog

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoops, Beach's post wasn't up the last time I posted here. I agree with Beach that it is really not necessary to attack others here for their opinions <>. It's also not fair to say that those of us who do not like Joshua are responsible for his poor attitude. His attitude is the direct result of Simon obviously not liking him and the general sentiment that can be found all across the internet. It is not just this board that contains negative comments about Joshua. And as I said earlier, this board is tame compared to some of the other ones out there.

The exact same thing happened here last year when Nikki beat out Tamyra, who was obviously the more talented singer. Like Joshua, Nikki had the particular niche appeal (punk rock). She was obviously outclassed by the remaining singers, but when she advanced to the next round, people were outraged. Simon said some pretty harsh things to her. But I don't recall her being all pissy about it. She acted much more mature than Joshua currently is now.

Crazydog

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is now post #10,000 in the AI thread. Woohoo!

Crossfire

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
None of which has anything to do with the concept that 'Josh should step down'. That is the part I have a problem with.

People are taking their own failure to get rid of him, on him.

Not his fault.

Seamonkey

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good grief.. JOSH didn't post that URL about his thyroid.. I didn't post it as an excuse, but he has been rather soundly criticized for the WEIGHT GAIN.. that's all the url was about.

He had his head in his hands but I haven't heard a word that he "knows" he should have been gone. Anyone in this competition must at least have faith in their own talent.

Beach, you seem to assume that all comments are directed to you, or about you.. Not so. I'm expressing my opnion. Period.

Beachcomber88

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog, I was going to try to be #10,000 when I noticed it this morning. You beat me to it! LOL!

Crossfire, I never said he should step down. I never even considered it to be option. It's a wake-up call for everyone. Last year after the same injustice with Nikki/Tamyra, America did the right thing and sent Nikki walking. I would be shocked if this did not happen again next week.

Beachcomber88

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sea, I merely commented because I know that I refer to Joshua often as the Marine. Wasn't sure if you were directing your comments towards me. Didn't mean any disrepect towards your opinion.

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(dh)

Jasper

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm just going to stick my oar in here, firstly I'm not fond of Josh's singing voice and it has gone downhill of late. But hypothyroidism could definitely effect his performace, if it is severe and was just caught then nothing has been put back on an even keel. Basically with this disease you have no metabolism, zero zilch, you are constantly exhausted, prone to putting on weight quickly and in large amounts as everything you consume is not converted into energy, that expression a moment on the lips a lifetime on the hips is perfect for this disease. Your thyroid is located in your throat and you can end up with an inflamed throat and tenderness there as well as in the surrounding glands, changes in your hair and skin texture all sorts of syptoms. And once you put that weight on its a bit$h to lose.

So it actually may be effecting his performance if he is tired and having the throat problems.

I imagine next week will be his week to go as his talent has never in my opinion been on the same scale as the rest of the people left nor Trenyce even. Kudos to him though as I could never do what these people are doing.

Crossfire

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
If you never said it, then I am not talking to you. There is another thread you might feel more comfortable in which is the 'wake up' one which seems to be a better fit.

Others here have besmirched Josh's manhood because Rubens fans abandoned him, that's who I hope to impress with my comments.

And don't get me wrong, I have as much as bone to pick as anyone, I AM a Ruben fan, but not at the expense of Josh.

Beachcomber88

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whoops - got moderated. Was merely trying to express a tad bit of frustration at what I thought was a personal attack. Sorry about that, mods - I'll be more careful in the future and make my comments only about the show/discussion and not towards anyone in particular.

Spitfire

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To quote the title of this thread..."Josh should do the right thing" and in this case, Hobbs suggested the right thing being to step down.
I am so confused as to why anyone would step away from a dream they have and why that would "be the right thing to do." Maybe he is not the best singer there and maybe he may feel this as well, but obviously people believe in him and see potential in him.
I personally think that he is the weakest singer left in the competition but that does not mean he should step away from a dream of his. If we all stepped away from trying something we love or want we would all be a depressed bunch.
Just my two cents.

Fluff

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't Josh should step down at all. I'm just stick of hearing about him making excuses all the time, not the weight thing, but the other things, e.g. the night he had a cold, etc. If he's so sick, maybe he should put his health first. I know I do.

Jasper

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's odd, maybe I just haven't seen what anyone is refering to but I have never seen him make any excuses for his off singing. I actually thought the one night where Randy said do you have a cold dawg, is that what the problem is and he said yes that he was just saying that to avoid getting into a lousy critique of his performance, it just seemed easier for Josh to nod his head and say yeah. Sometimes in times of stress and when you know you haven't done your best it's easiest to just nod your head and get it over with.

Fluff

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, in that case, I'm sick of people making excuses for him.

Walker

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i think everyone needs to take a breather, its not that big of a deal..who gives a crap and what does it really have to do with any of your lives?

Marymc

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
these boards are for people ho DO give a crap....that's the point.

Fluff

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Mary.

What would be the point in coming here if there was nothing to discuss?

Marymc

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
no prob, fluff...we "give-a-crappers" need to stick together!

Walker

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 02:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
lmao

Pamy

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 06:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Good one Mary

Sadiesmom

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did any of you see this site? I had to highlight it to read it. Not sure what that means. Looks like there is an organization here. Actually this looks amatuerish.

It is a little frightening to me that Clay has all, and I mean ALL, those websites dedicated to him that are sooo professional looking with a lot of storage behind them! These are power sites. It make you wonder who is supporting him (by the way, he may have had nothing to do with thim, not accusatory. But these are better than the other sites. Well I think I will take another dip in the surf and see what else is out there.

Jimmer

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We always watch the show twice each week. Once live and again on tape. I find it amazing how our opinions can change with a second viewing. Let me start by saying that I'm not a big fan of Josh's singing or of the Marine angle and I think that the other four contestants are better performers.

What I recalled from the first viewing was that Josh was really bad and the judges all really panned his singing. In re-watching the show, we concluded that he wasn't all that awful (particularly if you like a country style) and while they certainly didn't rave on about him, the judges (other than Simon) were reasonably positive.

I think that the whole focus of this hullabaloo is that Ruben was bottom two. If Josh had been in the bottom two with Trenyce and Trenyce was voted out, I don't think we'd be seeing this reaction. Josh has a solid fan base. As they say in the country vernacular, people better get ready for some hurtin' next week cause the man may not be going home for a while yet.

Walker

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jimmer..i agree that had josh been up against trenyce and she was voted out no one would be saying a word.

Fabnsab

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, as a sporatic AI watcher, I do not know why I am even venturing into this hot topic but I can't resist...

First off, both my mother and I have a hypothyroid, and yes, it sucks, but saying his performance is affected by it is an excuse. Mine went a long time without being regulated and I did feel more sluggish but I still pulled 60+ hours a week waiting tables because I HAD to. I just crashed when I got home. I know everyone is different but if the adrenaline on stage isn't enough motiviation, nothing will be. If we want something badly enough, our mind can overcome our body. Look at the guy who got trapped on a mountain and amputated his own arm to get free. I'm sure his body wanted to give out but his mind wouldn't let him.

Ok, someone explain to me this whole bottom three thing...Do they ever specifically say that the last two are the least vote getters? I know we all assume it but has it been stated? They could do this to stir pots and wake people up. Let me know, like I said, I don't watch regularly.

I never appreciated Josh's voice, and I do believe that he and the show played the Marine angle but i for one would play any angle to make my dream a reality.

Grooch

Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 04:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh has never publically said he has it, as far as I know. He is not the one using it as an excuse.

Also, the article says he might have it. This is the line from the artcicle.

"EW.com has learned that his sluggish performance may have less to do with his talent and more to do with a medical condition. ''While he's been here, he's actually had a thyroid problem,'' ''Idol'' stylist Miles Siggins tells EW.com."

I think it is pretty irresponsible for the AI stylist to be saying anything at all about any one of their medical conditions. He should be sacked, imo.

Faerygdds

Saturday, May 03, 2003 - 05:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A little about hypothyroidism and SINGING...

I have hypothyroidism. In my family, it's heredity that causes it. While it COULD explain his lack of dancing and interacting with the audience (lethargy), it has NOTHING to do with his singing. I, myself, sang before and after the diagnosis. My voice did not change... it does not hurt to sing with this condition. In essence, hypothyroidism has nothing to do with singing and EVERYTHING to do with metobalism and hormone levels.

The "cure" is a little pill called Sythroid (or it's generic form levothroxin). The dosage is directly correclated to blood levels of T3, T6, and TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone)levels. Once you start taking the littl pills, it takes about 2 weeks to start feeling "normal" again, although the effects on the hair, skin, and nails (anything that is considered "dead cells", are there for a lifetime. Weight gained IS harder to take off than for non thyroid patience. And weight mantenance is more difficult.

Now... having said all that... if he were motivated to drop the extra 10 pounds, he COULD do it, regardless of the physiological condition. Having hypothyroidism doesn't mean you CAN'T be at your ideal weight... it just means you have to work harder.

Many moons ago, my mother lost 60 pounds to be at her ideal wieght of 103 (she is VERY short). It was harder for her than others in her weight loss group, but not impossible. I, myself, have been battling my weight in an effort to control my diabetes, which, I feel, was brought on by obesity due to my tyroid condition -- which is a big excuse for "I was too lazy and not vigilent in controlling my weight despite my thyroid condition" When I was diagnosed with diabetes on July 9th of last year, I weighed 212 pounds. As of this posting I weigh 174.5. 37.5 pounds lost and it really wasn't THAT hard... I just had to be more vigilent in my eating and more consistent with my exercise.

But again... all this hypothyroidim stuff has NO BEARING on his singing voice. And even the wieght thing is not totally excused by his condidtion. It's a matter of choice on the weight.. the voice... well... you work with what you're given.

Hypothyroidism aside....

I think Josh is outclassed singing wise at this point, but as a Rueben fan, I don't blame him.. I blame myself and others like me who love Rueben for not being vigilant enough in our voting. I, myself, didn't vote this week, not because I thought he was safe, but because I was trying to keep my phone line clear due to a family medical emergency (littel boy- fell down and hit his head and started vomitting; he has a mild concussion). But I can garauntee you that I will betwice as vigilant THIS week (barring any other wierd family emergencies)!