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Rslover

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 07:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Simon was right about Patrick's suit. The jacket was like a bathrobe and the tie was reminicent of a clown's tie. Though, he was a bit harsh. I like Kimberly, Charles, and Julia.

Hermione69

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just don't have a good feeling about Kim, Webkitty, I can't explain why very well. Sometimes you just get feelings about people. What Conejo pointed out was something I noticed, she seemed way over the top in showing her "support." (I put that in quotes because I also agree with Simon that they are all secretly hoping the others will bomb, at least at this stage. I think when it gets down to the final ten, they are more sincere in their interactions) She was right up there in everyone's face, the first person to run up, throw her arms out and squeal. After going first and being one of the few that got lovely comments from all of the judges, it was almost like she was rubbing it in. "I can afford to be gracious because I did better than you." Maybe she would have been like that anyway, but I couldn't help thinking that if I was walking in that red room after getting slammed by Simon and company, she would have been the last one I wanted up in my face.

Obviously I am not the only one picking up on an aura of not her being what she seems. I don't think people are picking on her just to pick on her. Many of us are probably responding to a gut feeling. Sometimes you can't really explain better than that.

BTW, my brother had the same reaction and he usually loves those all-American blondes. I trust his reactions better than I trust my own, LOL! He usually draws a good bead on people.

And I do think her appearance is very much like Britney Spears. Britney is a beautiful girl with a lovely body, but I would like to see something different. That's why Kelly was so very refreshing last year.

I don't care for Julia either. During all the drama of last week, I thought people made some good points with asking why she didn't try to find her group; why did she just sit there and get more and more upset? However, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. They were probably all at fault. Kim did appear to be the "leader" of the other three, but that could have been Fox's editing. Neither of them are what I want in an American Idol right now. None of them from last night are actually. I am feeling very nostalgic for Kelly, Justin, Tamyra and RJ after watching last night's batch!

Brenda1966

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm with Herm on Kim -- there's just something about her that rubs me the wrong way. When she would jump up and run to each contestant after they sang it felt fake and just like she was trying to get more camera time for herself.

I'll agree that Julia's reaction to the prior drama was not good and only added to the drama. (She should have found them instead of waiting and shouldn't have pulled the bratty move of being late the next morning). But I do think she had good reason for being upset.

Simon seems a bit bored and I wish he'd have a little more respect for the contestants. I don't mind the harsh criticism or the honesty, but sometimes he seems like he gets disgusted and doesn't even pay attention when they perform. I think he was wrong about Patrick's "image" and outfit. I get so tired of performers who wear rags that look dirty and worn out so I loved seeing him in a suit and tie, but I'm an old fart so what do I know about teenage fashion these days.

Simon's comment about Moesha being a loser -- I took it to mean she walked out there and performed like she knew she wouldn't win, that she lacked any confidence. Am I taking it wrong? I didn't see that it was as bad as the comment about being a loser that was made to RJ last year. But maybe I'm just immune to Simon's nastiness now.

Djgirl5235

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Go Hermione Go! As always - reading my mind!

I too am going on gut reaction to Kim. The one quality that was SO refreshing about Kelly (and one of the main reasons that I felt she deserved the title American Idol) was her humility. She is a very humble, very genuine woman. Kim just seems (This is just my opinion, based on a gut reaction) very high on herself. Ex:

AI Questionnaire:
Q/What is your definition of an American Idol?
A/Me

Now, there is a difference between being confident, sure of yourself/talent/etc., and being high on yourself. When it comes to my own talent, it is the one aspect of my life where I can honestly say that I am very talented, however, you would never hear me say that I am the epitome of what an Idol should be. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Furthermore, in respect to Simon's comments regarding Patricks attire - it wasn't bad, but this whole "image" that the "biz" seems to have, is absolutely outrageous. One response that I would have to say to Simon, if he ever said that I didn't have the right "image" (note, size 3, petite, long blonde hair...etc...) would be that so long as I have the talent, and am not butt-f'ing ugly, than an "image" can be created... My opinion as well...

I too am very nostalgic for last years finalists, and even popped my DVD in last night to rewatch after watching the batch last night.

So far, I'm really rooting for Clay as he is the only one who has made me sit right up in my chair and go "WOW"...That's what Kelly did for me last year, and so far Clay's the only one who has done that.

Adven

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't have anything in particular against Kim, Webkitty, other than I find it more entertaining to disparage people on TV than praise them. The psychologically disturbed side of me, which, come to think of it, is all four sides, enjoys sitting back with beers and nachos, developing an irrational hatred for someone I have never and will never meet and getting pleasure from seeing their dreams crushed. It's either that or watching reruns of Starsky and Hutch.

Conejo

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm & Dj, Kelly was my favorite last year and I remember a few times actually getting "goose bumps" when she sang! This "batch" (LOL) last night didn't come anywhere close to Kelly.

Adven, I too find myself disparaging people on TV, but I didn't know that I was psychologically disturbed!hehe

BTW, did anyone else see Evan from Joe Millionaire in the red room last night?????

Webkitty

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Now see, there's a reason I can accept. I can always count on you Adven, to put things into perspective.

I think there is ~something about Kim~ too. I was just objecting to the Julia thing. I clearly saw that as a ploy for attention on Julia's part, at the expense of Kim, and felt the compulsion to push the point.

I agree that we haven't been show the "Kelly" of this year yet. I miss the old gang from last year too. <sigh>

Which one is Clay?

Azlen

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with those who are saying that the ultimate winner probably won't come out of this group. I thought Trenyce was the best of the lot, though I didn't like her song choice and thought that Bettis brought up the tail end. (The fact that he was trying to do these boy band dance moves really doesn't work for me at all.)
Kim and Meosha were on the opposite ends of the same coin for me. I didn't like Kim's voice but thought her performance was good, while I liked Meosha's voice but thought her performance was bad.
I liked Charles as well. Everyone else was just kinda okay for me, nothing special but nothing awful either.

Denecee

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, I thought Kim had a great attitude about the whole thing with Julia. I like Kim but like the other posters, I don't think the winner is going to be one of these 8. The thing I didn't like about Julia was her attitude. She said to the camera "you could be looking at the next American Idol". Why do people do that to themselves? Smart people don't have to tell you that they are smart. She is a pretty good singer but her attitude is going to cost her votes. JMHO

Muse

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, Clay is the kind of nerdy guy with the great voice. Simon and Randy couldn't understand how the voice matched with the look in his audition. Oh, and he kind of made his own melody in Hollywood a bit musical-ish.

I actually thought that Simon's comment about Meosha was more harsh than what he said about RJ during AI1's semi-finals. He mentioned the "loser" stuff after RJ performed, so you can just say that he was talking about RJ's performance, and that he didn't care for him as a singer. But with Meosha...he said that she "walked in here a loser". Ouch. Especially when she's one of the top thirty-two that the judges selected - one of those people that he's been saying is so much more talented than those from last season.

Not1worry

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This was the first show I've ever watched, since my husband was gone and I could have the remote! He immediately turns the channel from this show, so I just wanted to see what the fuss was about. Can someone give me a quick run down on how it works? How many more contestants are there right now that we haven't seen? How many more shows will there be? Is it just the phone calls that determine it? Just a few facts!

I didn't tune in until JD's song, so missed Kim and Patrick. From the few seconds they showed at the end of Kim's song, I thought it was horrendous, more yelling than singing. Wish I had heard the whole thing and could better judge.

Hermione69

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was just browsing over at Reality News Online (www.realitynewsonline.com) and read two recaps of last night's show. Neither of the authors of the recaps, one anonymous and one a male, thought that Kim was that great either.

LOL, Webkitty, you feel like you have to defend her and I feel like I have to justify my opinion. Are we sad, or what?

Not1, right now there are 32 semi-finalists out thousands and thousands who auditioned. The semi-finalists have been broken up into 4 groups of 8 each. Each week, one group's contestants will compete against each other and two will advance. Those who advance are decided by the phone calls, yes.

Then after we have 8 finalists, there will be a wild card selection out of the remaining 24, and 2 more will advance for an even 10 finalists. Then all the finalists compete each week and are voted off one by one. I think someone said earlier the show lasts until May.

Jan

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
not1, 32 singers made it to these "finals". For 4 consecutive weeks (starting last night) 8 different singers will perform. The USA audience can vote (for free) for their favourites. The two with the most votes goes on in the competition.

Once the 32 have been whittled down to 8 (2 a week for 4 weeks), the judges will pick two "wild cards" form the 24 who have been eliminated.

These singers comprise the final 10.

Then these final 10 will perform and the voting will go on till they are whittled down to the winner.

At least I think that's how it works but I am only a disenfranchised Canadian so what do I know??

Weenerlobo

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow - good reading on this thread!

I don't think that either Kim or Julia will make it all that far. While I like the fact that Kim has a deeper voice, I think she's gonna be limited in what she's able to sing. Julia has a better voice, but she's gonna have to learn something about phrasing and control. So far, no matter what song she's done, she's made them sound basically the same. I wasn't surprised that Simon didn't like what she did with that Dusty Springfield song.

Trenyce (sp?) should be advanced to the next round and so should Charles. I didn't like Charles' outfit either.

JD was like a pretty man-sized automatron conjured up to sing. No feeling, no emotion and a half of a smaltzy wink into the camera at the end of his song. Bleck.

Patrick can sing and Neil Sedaka did make a nice living, so ya never know where he'll end up. This just isn't the right competition for him.

Bettis really really really made me feel uncomfortable.

Felt bad for Kim. I didn't really have a problem with her outfit and hat. I would have liked to put Julia in a bra that fit and a top that didn't show that her bra was too small. Eeeeesh.

Adven - LOL and good for you. Admitting it is the first step.

Hermione69

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Felt bad for Kim. I didn't really have a problem with her outfit and hat."

Do you mean Meosha?

Wcv63

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 11:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Irrational hatred has never been hard for me to conjure....especially when reality television is involved.

I'm not digging on the attitudes of a lot of these AI contestants right now. This is only magnified by the fact that now we are having the family members' attitudes shoved in our faces as well. Sisters, brothers, mothers, cousins, fathers...they all belong back stage in a place where they can not be seen or heard. Until a live audience is added to the mix anyway.

There is enough "drama" in this show without having to listen somebody's relative complaining about the judge's comments.

Realfan

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I confess--I phoned in votes for everyone BUT Kim. Just don't care for her. Not that big on Julia, either, actually. Both of them seemed to be real camera divas, grinning and waving whenever they were in a shot. And Kim jumping up to hug every other contestant seemed really fake.

I didn't care for the family members being there, and I REALLY didn't care for the second contestant's dad coming out. To do what, exactly? Beat up Simon? Ugh. I don't want to see the families at this stage--obviously they're going to be supportive, so they won't have much to say.

Only good thing about it was seeing that JD Adams' mom looks a LOT like my husband's mom!! My mother-in-law is also an Adams and claims descendance from the presidential Adams. I thought JD looked a little like my mother-in-law, but man, JD's mother could my mother-in-law's sister. Yet there are so many Adamses out there! Amazing. I hope he goes through to the next round, but there being only a 1 in 4 chance, I'm not holding my breath.

Also, when Kim was singing, I heard weird feedback--I thought it was from the mike. Her voice sounded really vibraty. Was it just my local broadcast, maybe, or did anyone else notice it?

Realfan

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<I wish I could vote but I tape the shows and watch them late.>>

I did tape it, because I watched Buffy. I'm on the West Coast, and watched my tape between 9:30-11 p.m. (got interrupted). I called all during that time, no problems. So I think it really does extend past the two-hour limit.

<<Simon's comment about Moesha being a loser -- I took it to mean she walked out there and performed like she knew she wouldn't win, that she lacked any confidence. Am I taking it wrong?>>

That's what I thought he meant, too, that she didn't command the stage.

ITA none of these folks will be the winner. I miss Tamyra!

Wink

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Adven I think you need to haul your beer and nachos over to the Millionaire thread. There appears to be lots of boobalicious material you could work with on that show.

Car54

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if we would have the b*tchy impression of Kim if we had not seen the little drama at the preliminary auditions. Seems like she and Julia were shown that way to create some drama (and there was not much drama in anything else last night). I did think it was kind of bogus when she said she had no money and everything she had cost $20. Sorry, those boots did NOT cost $20.

(It really IS all about the fashion).

In response to the post about how mean Simon was...I did not watch much last year..just the ending...I was expecting much worse. I think Simon does not want fat people to win, frankly...and would be biased against anything Patrick wore. He is going to have a hard time with Frenchie and Kimberly L. because of the high caliber of their singing, but wanna bet he will find something wrong. He has an image of who he wants to sign (that is fair..it is his record company...).

Kitt

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I get the impression that Simon is thinking a lot more about the whole pop idol image thing than either Randy or particularly Paula. This year they seem to have many talented voices who could possibly make a career out of their voice, but not really a popstar voice. I don't know what/who America will vote for, but I think Simon could have a problem in the end, should he be left with someone who just doesn't fit into his recording label.

In the UK one, a very large guy, I think he was well over 300lb, came in third, if I remember correctly. There was a bit of a fuss in the tabloids about him being asked to drop out of the contest (not sure how much of it was true) in exchange for a recording contract for someone else. Many people thought he had the best voice of all three finalists. I can see something similar happening here, the less pop-py singers could get contracts but not be chosen as the American Idol.

Pantageas

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi all! Been lurking in the Clubhouse for a few years now..this is my first post.

Wanted to add my two cents to the "Kimberly C. vs. Julia" thing. I replayed my videotape of that episode to death(mainly because I was awed by Frenchie and Kim) and two things stood out on the umpteenth replay...

1)When the group was making plans, Kimberly clearly adresses everyone by suggesting that everyone go eat, change, or whatever before "meeting her in her room to rehearse in an hour". It's Julia's fault for missing that important detail, then compounding that error with "diva behavior" the next day. She made a concerted effort to be late to show up the rest of her group. Gee, Julia, there's three of them. Did it occur to you that if there's a personality clash, your personality might need to take the bruising so you can get along with the other three?

2) While I don't blame Kimberly C. for rehearsing without Julia after Julia decided to "dismiss" her group, there is one more important point. When Kimberly C. tells Julia that the rest of them have already practice, Julia, at a loss for words, gathers her things to leave. For those of you who have the tape, keep an eye on Kimberly's face as Julia leaves. As the camera pans to follow Julia, you will see Kimberly make a face, stick out her tongue, and start to laugh at Julia as soon as she turns her back. Not very charitable behavior. It just reinforces the idea that she organized the "threesome"(her term, not mine)to shove attitude back into Julia's face.

Bottom line: Neither of these divas is getting any votes from me...

Hermione69

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Kim is b*tchy, but I do think she is fake. Julia actually seems b*tchier than Kim, but I don't like to use that word to describe anyone this early when I am still learning who they are and what their story is. Much of my current opinion of Kim came from watching her last night in the red room as opposed to the little tiff with Julia which has been SO overplayed that I hope they have moved on from it next week. I got the feeling Kim and Julia both are sick of it as well. I also was not too impressed with Kim's bio at the CBS site. There didn't seem to be a lot a lot of depth there. Like Realfan pointed out, when asked to describe the American Idol, she replied, "Me." That is not an answer I want to hear.

Kitt, I agree that Simon is more concerned with image than the other two, but I do think he has lightened up a bit from last year on the weight issue at least. Seems like he let more people through this year based on their voices and not whether they can wear cropped tops and/or tight shirts. I may have to retract this observation after Frenchie and Ruben perform, but I hope he continues to prioritize voice over body.

Hermione69

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 02:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, maybe Kim IS b*tchy! I posted the above post before I read Pantageas's. Good catch, Pantageas. I didn't tape it, though. Darn. I want to hear some more from people who did tape it! Spill! What is your reaction! Oh dear, am I the same person who said I hope we've moved on from this soon? LOL!

BTW, welcome, Pantageas, and keep posting! :)

Webkitty

Wednesday, February 05, 2003 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
heading for the vcr.......lol