October 9, 2002 Episode
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October 9, 2002 Episode
Marymc | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:22 am     christi is an embarassment to women..... everything that makes me cringe. she couldn't keep her hands off him and i REALLY thought she was going to have a COMPLETE melt-down during the rose ceremony....that fact that she was last was PRICELESS. the wink was nauseating. kyla, the hair....we need to talk. but only after i stick your head under a faucet and wash all that crap out. i can't look at it. i just can't. it's painful. proud of your daddy in prison? riiiiight...... |
Conejo | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:23 am     Max, I agree with you about Brooke. Maybe Brooke could introduce Christi to "Daddy Dearest". Now there would be a man she could latch onto! |
Dahli | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:47 am     oooh Max Bravo!("woop woop") love it all - very well said and I was especially happy to see enamoured properly paired with 'of'!!! thank you thank you thank you!! (ya don't see that very often) ;-) |
Drmcmullen | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:13 am     This is my first time posting here so please be gentle. My favorite at this point is Gwen. I have to admit its partly because she is from my area but she also seems sweet and she has a cute face. I sort of like Heather from Texas. I just wish she would stop bringing up that she has been in pageants. I did think it was really nice the way she comforted Brooke in the bathroom. As for Christi, he should have cut her loose last night. If you think she would have had a meltdown last night, what do you think will happen when she finally does get the ax?! |
Marymc | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:26 am     "christi, portrait of a stalker"....new movie on lifetime. |
Weenerlobo | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:27 am     MaryMc - ROTFL!!!! |
Dahli | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:34 am     Did anyone see the interview this morning with Diane Sawyer....? I just caught the very end where it looked like Aaron was getting blasted by the first gal that walked out - Anandita? Then Diane thanked them all for the post game 'show' and looked at the camera in a 'relieved that's over' kind of way. I can't find any information on this and was hoping someone would have posted it here! thanks |
Realfan | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:38 am     <<I was sort of surprised by those murmurs of "that isn't right". I mean at least they told him they weren't feeling it. I think ABC probably wanted them to wait and tell Aaron at the rose ceremony to make it more dramatic. I don't think he was going to pick them anyways.>> Which of the gals said that? I thought she was rude to say it, whoever it was. I got a kick out of the two women (both ethnic--makes me wonder if Midwest Aaron isn't used to ethnic women) opting out instead of waiting to see if they were picked. Awesome power switch. The other women should have been GLAD their chances just increased, not condemn the girls for it. After all, it's like a frickin' blind date x 25--THEY had never laid eyes on Aaron before. I wonder if maybe he WAS going to pick Frances, and had to really think who to put in her place, and so gave it to Christy. Probably not (they string out that final rose for drama's sake, and you KNOW the producers tell him which order to hand them out), but it made me wonder. Stupid move keeping Psycho Christy, as you all have stated so well. She may look old, but isn't she only 23? A little young to be so certain she has never felt this way and it's a big deal this time. Just sayin'. (I married at 23, but I wasn't ready to commit for 11 months!) I thought she was going to break down right there during the rose ceremony. Her frowny face isn't very attractive. Very surprised Suzanne didn't stay, and that we didn't hear Aaron getting HER side of the story. The sexual chemistry was certainly there. I like the Heather from Texas--she seemed genuinely caring to me. And some of the others (names confuse me.) Remember last week when he really struggled between two ladies for the final 15th spot? Which lady got it, and did she get cut or is she still around? |
Realfan | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:39 am     I should have taped the Early Show!! What a putz I am. Maybe it'll be on the Bachelor site soon. |
Sbw | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:54 am     I forget out the interview this morning, boo hiss. I bet it was good. From the ABC Bachelor website, the Bachelor's Diary section -- During the second invitation night Suzanne kept telling me she had some big secret, but she wasn't going to disclose it to me, and we went in circles several times and she wouldn't tell me what it was. Well finally she told me that she was married once before briefly, and her parents didn't know about it. I didn't think it was that big of an issue. Also, during the second invitation night, Anindita and Frances pulled me aside, and we walked outside together. They had a question for me. They wanted to know if I had ever been in an interracial relationship, and I said yeah, as a matter of fact I have, I dated a Moroccan for a while. And I didn't understand where they were going with that. I don't know what their motive was there, but as soon as I walked down into the living room ready to present 10 roses to 15 beautiful ladies, Anindita said excuse me, I wanna tell you something Aaron, and that's before I even said a word. After Anindita left Frances stood up immediately thereafter and approached me, and I have respect for Frances. I know that this whole idea of being on the show was her sister's idea, and she didn't know what she was getting herself into, and this was overwhelming; she felt uncomfortable. I think that Anindita was just trying to save face. Yeah, she knew that she wasn't going to receive a rose, and she was just trying to leave with some pride I guess. That's the wrong way to go about it in my opinion. Francis was overwhelmed by the situation, I understand that, but she wasn't going to receive a rose anyhow, and I can't get into her mind as to really what she was thinking there … |
Max | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 10:58 am     The last-minute switch last week, was when he decided to keep Suzanne. I forget the name of the girl he switched out. Realfan, the problem is that the Early Show (CBS)is talking to the TAR people and the Good Morning America (ABC) show is talking to the Bachelor folks and unless you tape BOTH of them, you're more than likely going to miss one of the interviews. What to do, what to do!? |
Drmcmullen | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:01 am     Realfan - he was split between Kyla and Merilee for the 15ths spot on the first show. He was planning to pick Merilee but right before he picked the 15th person, he took a break and stepped outside and then came back and picked Kyla. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:16 am     It still sounds to me that he wants everyone to know that he would not have picked either of those two girls anyway. Why is it so important for him to make that known? As someone posted earlier, isn't his ego being stroked enough? There are 13 girls salivating over him! Good grief! Shut up already and tell us what you think of the ones that are left, like why in the world you kept Christi! He lost more points with me for this diary entry. |
Jenhavins | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 11:42 am     Christi has PROBLEMS for being so young. I was icking out with her rubbing all over his back when they were out on the wine tasting trek. Jeeze Louise...back off a couple of feet. I like Heather from Texas and Hayley (the one that said you rock as she hugged him). Those are my two favorites, but I think that old Aaron likes the blondes. We shall see. |
Realfan | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 12:08 pm     Ah, so it did have something to do with them being ethnic--at least Anindita and Frances thought so. I think they picked up on the fact he wasn't as "hot" to be with them as the "all-American apple-pie" girls. Just MO. And after his comment when they left, I'm glad they exited in the manner they did. Serves him right for insisting he wouldn't have picked them anyway. Yeah, Max, I mixed up the networks. I can't get used to ABC having an interesting reality show. LOL! |
Max | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 01:11 pm     Did anyone besides me notice from the very beginning that there were 15 blonds and only 10 brunettes? Of the brunettes, I think 4 or 5 were ethnic and I think after the first rose ceremony, only Anindita and Frances were left of those. So, perhaps Aaron's general preference for women was expressed as blond and caucasian. |
Uhoh | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 01:30 pm     did anyone see him and them (anindita and frances - though maybe only anindita was there) on good morning america this morning? i only caught the last minute, but she seemed pretty much on the offensive, and he again saying things giving the message he wasn't going to pick them anyway. would love to hear more details from any of you who saw it. |
Jbean | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:28 pm     oh my dear god! christi from idaho is a PSYCHO! what in the world? she is obsessed with a guy she has known for less than a WEEK! that crying fit was just about more than i could handle. the bachelor lives in the same town i do, and i told my friend at work that her ass will probably come here to stalk him after he's made his final picks and it's not her. what a psycho. btw, the local news from the abc station was live with him from his home here after the show, and the newscasters asked him why he gave her a rose. he replied by saying that he didn't know any of the catfight stuff was going on between her and anadina, or the overemotional stuff. said he witnessed that for the first time with the rest of america on the show last night. sure hope she goes next week. geez..... |
Yuhuru | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 03:50 pm     Did anyone else notice that Gwen seemed to kiss Aaron only because he kept kissing her in the balloon? She seemed uncomfortable to me (with the kissing). She was very discreet about what happened with her, but apparently Suzanne & Christi blabbed. I got such a kick out of Anandita. It really wasn't fair for her to mention Christi's eye rolling in a crowd, but boy did it stir things up. I think Helene and Gwen are my favs. I'm not big on Heather and Brooke either. I think they're both cute and sweet, but they seem a little too needy. They are only about 2 episodes behind Christi(the psycho). I really loved the girls who excused themselves only because they took control if only for a moment. While I'm being thoroughly entertained, it's kinda hard to watch these beautiful, talented women at the mercy of this guy's fancy. I thought it wasn't cool that he didn't pick Suzanne after giving her that oral exam. He lost a few points with me last night. But I'm loving this show. |
Shortnsweet | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:28 pm     You guys have to see the Bachelor's Video Diary. It is a little different than the written diary. Aaron said that Anandita was drunk and cussing at the wine tasting dinner. He said that she clearly knew that he wasn't going to give her a rose. He also had interesting things to say about Christi. http://abc.abcnews.go.com/primetime/specials/bachelor/index.html Just scroll down a little and click on "Bachelor Video Diary". |
Surini | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 04:35 pm     Glad to see someone else thinks the same thing about Kyla's hair! I thought it looked fake or something it was so strange! Also I think Christi is a little psycho. Don't think I want to see what might happen to this one should she not be picked. And I also think she looks older than what she supposedly is. It was so obvious after about 5 picks that he really is into the long haired blonde look. I didn't think Heather stood a chance but I think he ran out of blondes and therefore she's in, lol. I like her and I think she seems quite a bit more mature than the rest of the girls, but even seems more mature than Aaron...I just keep getting that feeling when they show her. I love this show, but it does crack me up how someone can think they are sooooo in love with someone they just met, maybe in normal situations they wouldn't be that way but all the hype gets their emotions in an uproar. |
Muse | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:46 pm     I didn't really like Suzanne, so I'm glad she didn't get a rose. I thought her comment to Christi in the first episode was unnecessary and mean-spirited. It could be taken as a joke by a friend, I suppose, but she just met her. It wasn't even enough time to know that Christi, um, has *issues*. And I don't think Aaron should keep anyone just because he kisses them or has sexual chemistry with them. I'm sure he's looking for other qualities as well, so why not look at the whole package? Anyway, yes - Christi is waaay too possessive. I don't think she's psycho, but I think she's insecure. She also seems to cry easily. Unfortunate combination. lol - I don't see her being one of the final four women left. Aaron probably kept her for the reasons he stated...that he was impressed with her initially, and that he wanted to give her a second chance. He probably also hoped that she'd chill out a little with Suzanne gone, but I'm not sure that I see that happening. I like Gwen, Angela, Helene, and Heather from Texas so far. Gwen seems sweet, if a bit boring and perhaps shy (I don't think she minded kissing Aaron, by the way, but I think she was a little uncomfortable with the camera in her face). I liked how kind Angela was to Christi after her meltdown, and how Heather tried to cheer Brooke up. And I like how Helene is sort of turned off by the cattiness in the house. I think Anindita was nasty at the wine tasting. It's fine if she really wanted to call Christi on her eye rolling (which really isn't her business, but whatever - maybe she liked Suzanne and wanted to defend her), but it should have been done privately. Being straight-foward and direct is fine, but being tactless and rude isn't, IMO. I'm glad she and Frances were ready to turn Aaron down (since they weren't really that interested - good for them for not wanting to waste anyone's time), but I think they (or Anindita, at least) knew they weren't getting a rose anyway. Aaron was probably right about her wanting to save face by turning him down first. And finally - I think a lot of the people were drunk at the wine tasting. Aaron, Anindita, and Christi definitely seemed a little tipsy. Suzanne and some of the others might have been as well...not really sure. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 09:00 pm     Gather yourself from the floor Grooch, Rabbit is my son, and a very bright boy.  |
Fabnsab | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 01:25 am     I didn't like his comment after the girls left either. Everyone I was with noticed immediately that the two minorities were the ones to leave and we wondered if they saw something we didn't. As for the blonds vs brunettes thing- the first group of girls last year were almost all brunettes. I think they probably ask the guys what they prefer so they can fill the harem accordingly. I am scared about Christi. After watching my new dvd on last years show, I noticed that the thing that attracted Alex the most to Amanda was how much she liked him. He said over and over how cool it was to know she was so into him. If this is how guys think, Christi might have a chance here. She reminds me a little of the way Amanda acted, except for the whole bunny-boiling mentality. I like Brooke alot and I am starting to like darkhaired Heather. I will admit that I prejudged her because of her pageant background. I get a red flag from that, like she is there for the exposure and competition. I am reevaluating her though. The other Heather is like Waldo- she is never there, yet she keeps getting a rose. This is such a guilty pleasure and a breath of fresh air after going through BB withdrawal. |
Marymc | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 06:44 am     bunny-boiling........HA!!!!!!!!! |
Mack | Friday, October 11, 2002 - 09:23 am     I too recall Alex remarking about Amanda's obvious interest in him being a factor in his decision. Not particularly surprising nor is it particularly a "guy" thing. Nothing more frustrating than being interested in another person only to have them ignore you or brush you off. Given the scenario that you have the choice between two people, both of whom are equally attractive to you, it would be somewhat natural to go after the one who indicated the most interest in you in return. Heavens knows I wasted a lot of my youth chasing after the uninterested! |
Mango | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:01 am     The women who left at the beginning of the Rose Ceremony may have done so in an attempt to avoid embarrassment, but they failed in that attempt. The risk of loss goes with any competetive endeavor. The Rose Ceremony was part of the game, and they knew the rules. No one forced them to be on the show. The Bachelor, in choosing ladies to receive roses, was doing exactly what he was called on to do. The awkward disruption at the beginning of the ceremony showed childish disrespect for the producers of the show, who gave Anindita and Frances the opportunity to be part of it. Worse, they made everyone in the room, perhaps especially Aaron, feel uncomfortable. Their Big Move was rude. Thus the comment " . . . that's not right . . .," while perhaps also impolite, was apt. I agree that Aaron's comment about being right in his choices was ungentlemanly. He would have done better to watch them stumble out of the room without comment. If they wanted to leave the show, the proper way to do it would have been to say their thank you's and their goodbyes discreetly before the ceremony, and then not appear at all. The only other good alternative would have been to politely decline a rose if offered. That would have sent a message, if that was their intention, without disrupting the mood of the ceremony for everyone, including the viewers. The only good news to come out of all of this is that the rest of the ceremony was so interesting that I promptly forgot about the non-players. |
Puttergirl | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 02:01 pm     I'm thinking Christi gets the boot next week. They said it would be the most emotional ceremony ever, or something like that. I think she has a full-blown meltdown right there when not picked!! I liked Anindita. I would have been extremely embarassed at the wine-tasting when she started doing commentary on other's behavior, but it was great for us, the viewers. I have a new idea to make the rose ceremony even better. Have Anindita there each week to provide color commentary on his choices and the girl's reactions. Would be a great hoot!!!!! |
Hermione69 | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 04:17 pm     Mango, the whole game is set up so that the rejection can go either way during the ceremony. For all we know, the girls are encouraged to do it during the ceremony for the drama. It wouldn't be any fun for ABC if they discreetly slunk away. |
Marymc | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 05:33 pm     annindita would be this show's ta-MEE-ka.... |
Mango | Saturday, October 12, 2002 - 09:10 pm     I was thinking that maybe the producers asked them to make their move on camera, maybe even requesting them to do it during the Rose Ceremony. I hope that is not true. It also occurred to me that discretion does not seem to be Anindita's strong suit. I think she would be excellent at color commetary. |
Ginger1218 | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 10:12 am     Muse, as far as Gwen being afraid of the camera, I don't think so. Just last week she was on a Dating Story on TLC and they followed her on a blind date. Does not sound like someone afraid of the camera. Actually seems she is looking to be on the camera quite a bit! |
Mamaanja | Sunday, October 13, 2002 - 08:25 pm     Gwen reminds me of Trista. Cute, tiny, blond, fairly quiet, doesn't show tons of interest in the Bachelor, but will probably make it to the final two. Ugh. |
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