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Fluffybbw | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 10:54 am     Grooch the scene I think you are talking about, concerning Chris at the campfire was on the day Alana was put in charge, Robin said he was going to make soup for lunch and she asked if they could have a little rice as well and everybody starthing talking over each other and finally Chris said he was tired of all the fighting over the meal. He sometimes didn't like what they were having, but he would eat it anyway and if someone wanted rice there was a pot, they could make it themself, so I think it was directed at Alana. Also I think Robin's remarks about Maria being a backstabber are because she did not want to leave when he and Melissa made their threats and she jumped Tyson, his new "best friend" during the loud lecture they were giving to the women about how inadequate they were, I don't think Robin likes people to disagree with him. Robin did some pretty fancy backstabbing himself concerning Alana and Maria. I don't think I can watch this show anymore, there's so much griping, lying, threats, screaming, backstabbing, complaing, it's like my family at Thanksgiving! I'm just going to come here everyday and read about what's going on, I have more fun reading what everyone here has to say than watching the show! |
Fanny | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 10:57 am     I think it's much easier to watch these celebrities than it is to watch the TVCH celebrities in the hot topics threads. |
Grooch | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 10:58 am     Thanks, Fluffy! I knew it had something to do with Alana. She drove even Chris to the edge and made him lose it. She kept on going on and on and on that she wanted rice and pasta when everyone just wanted soup. And he said this is not a fricking restaurant. Just eat what's put out in front of you. |
Rissa | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 11:14 am     No truce needed, is there? I am enjoying this because we see Alana soooooo differently. I see her as TOTALLY assertive (and very aggressive)which I am NOT! I am very insecure, something I know I need to work on.. which is why I know that I would feel (in Julie's place) very uncomfortable and cornered with some woman following me around chanting "Let's talk" over and over. I would feel backed in a corned and stressed out because I am not comfortable talking about issues or disagreements. Just thinking about it now is very seriously making me feel a bit of a "fight or flight" physical reaction and my hands are shaking. I am seriously that ummmmm sensitive to confrontation and I see Alana as being confrontational 24/7 on every little issue. LOL I would never be assertive enough to demand, even once, that someone talk to me about a problem, much less do it over and over again for days. When I finally got stressed enough to finally say something back to her, it would definately be a "I am gonna say this once and never have to deal with you again" statement. It would probably be a major explosion as a result of days of it building up. OK come on, defend her again. |
Fanny | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 11:20 am     Rissa, I'm reading Alana the same way you are. |
Grooch | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 11:27 am     Me too, Rissa. (Sorry, Miz. But it is always good to see someone defending a person when no one else does. Good job!) |
Rissa | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 11:37 am     Thanks Fanny and Grooch. I am not saying I am right, for all I know Miz has it nailed and I am out in left field. LOL I really am fascinated how we all have our own issues and personalities which so radically affect the way we interpret an image or conversation. Isn't that just amazing? LOL |
Fanny | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 11:39 am     Our little "filters", eh, Rissa? How true. |
Seamonkey | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:01 pm     I think Julie is the passive-aggressive one. Alana is mega-neurotic and annoying. I want Cris to win. |
Seamonkey | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:02 pm     Very interesting how things shift.. First vote supposedly came down to Bruce vs Robin. Second vote came down to Nikki vs Alana. Who will be the next one to go? and who will be in "second place"? |
Grooch | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:04 pm     I want to take Cris home with me. |
Fluffybbw | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:07 pm     Ok, here I go, putting my two cents here, this is just what I think from watching the shows so far; I like Alana, she reminds me of a fussy old great aunt I had. She is high maintenance, but I don't see anyone in that group, except Chris who is a follower, that isn't high maintenance. Julie seems to be a bully and mean, she singled Alana out because she was the weakest one in the group. Or at least they think she is weak I think she showed just how strong and determined she is by going through the trial and staying in the rain forest. Come on what do they expect? She is 57 years old, been taken care for most of her life, led a pretty comfortable life so far and now she is in the middle of the rain forest! Julie embarassed Alana in front of the whole group by first going person to person telling them about her peeing in camp and then having a group meeting about it, and then when Alana had to use the bathroom and Julie was cleaning it, Alana made a remark about her not having to clean it for her. Whenever they show the scenes of Alana wanting to talk to Julie about the fight, it is the same two scenes over and over, I don't really think she followed Julie around, I think that Julie kept the fight going by making snide remarks about her taking medicine and talking about her to others. I also love how whenever anyone in this group talks about someone not doing their share of work they are always just sitting around! I think Alana is strong she was going to stay in the camp during the downpour weather the others left or not. Yes she is fussy, and needs alot of reassurance, but I will always take one of those people over mean bullies any day of the week. I really think there are alot of self absorbed bullies in that group. |
Fruitbat | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:23 pm     Seamonkey, I agree about Alana. I want Melissa to win. I really like her. |
Mizinvanccouver | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:37 pm     JUST CALL ME DEFENDER OF ALANA....ROFLMAO Fluffy--Regarding your post about Alana 'making Cris lose it'. I think it's unfortunate that everyone including the very nice Cris (He's my favorite.) using Alana as a scape goat to take out their own frustrations. What was wrong with asking about rice?? I think do it because they know they can flip out on her without any reprucussions. She's a nice, kind person and wouldn't stoop to their level of snarky-ness. (If that's even a word. lol) I see this happen in the workplace many times to people like Alana. Rissa-- This is what I got from your last post, I'm sure you'll correct me if I misinterpretted what you said. So in fact Julie is the "passive agressive" one not Alana because she kept everything bottled up inside to the point of exploding? So how can you blame Alana for Julie bottling up her feelings and not expressing them earlier in a civilized manner?? Perhaps if she had said something earlier before she got all bent out of shape this wouldn't have happened at all. Please let me reiterate that I do think Alana can be whiny but that doesn't justify people snapping at her or taking their OWN frustrations of the camp situation out on ANYONE. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. LOL |
Willsfan | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:47 pm     I think Bruce will be the next to go. I liked Alana but she was sick for three days, so of course after that she couldn't have redeemed herself enough for that group of divas. Nothing she did was correct from the get-go. Can Tysons head get any bigger? LOL He truly thinks he's the star of the show. I am not liking Melissa & John as much as I did. They can leave at any time. I would be overjoyed. |
Fluffybbw | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:55 pm     About that rice thing with Chris I also wondered if she would have been allowed to make it herself, Robin seemed pretty protective and in charge of everything connected to cooking, I mean he jumped Maria for wanting to eat early one night and he yelled at Nikki for using her clean spoon in the pot, so I don't think he would have allowed anyone else to cook. I agree with your point about everyone jumping on her to relieve their frustrations and they all talked about her to make themselves feel better. I mean I've seen Melissa, Robin, Nikki, and even Bruce whine about things on that show, so why is Alana different? |
Grooch | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:02 pm     Oh, how I wish we had live feeds!!!!! I wonder if they sit there and discuss (ala Big Brother) that the show must be a big hit. (I always crack up when the host tells them that there 7 million phone in votes. Yeah, right.) and that this show will jumpstart their careers, etc and they will be famous when they get out. Boy, are they going to be in for a surprise. Oh, how I wish for live feeds. |
Realfan | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:07 pm     As far as the Alana-Julie thing goes, I fall on the side of Alana because Julie, IMO, did the unforgiveable in threatening Alana with physical violence--and never apologizing for it. That goes beyond the pale, in my opinion. No matter how neurotic Alana might have been, Julie forever will be a bully in my eyes. |
Curlyq | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:26 pm     I don't think it's just our personal experiences that make us see this situation so differently. It's the editing. Seriously. I have been following these shows as closely as anyone and I remember that this all began with Alana mistakingly making a grab for a piece of chocolate that belonged to Chris. When Julie told her not to take it, Alana didn't like her tone and gave her the old excuuuuuuuuuse me type of attitude. Julie was already on edge because of Alana's whining that began on the plane ride but didn't take it any further. Alana went to other people and complained about Julie. She had the feeling Julie had a problem with her but couldn't get Julie to talk it out. She told someone else that "My manager told me she's a phony diva b*tch." She told the camp that either she was going to "beat the *bleep* out of her or..." They've shown that clip a couple of times but not nearly as often as the clip of Julie's threat (which came later), and they have never rerun the clip of the "phony diva b*tch" comment. All they rerun is the clip of Julie's response. That is why you see Julie say "Call me another name and I'll hurt you." She had obviously been told by one of the campers about the "phony diva b*tch" remark. The way I saw it Alana kept complaining about Julie's unwillingness to be direct with her, but she herself was complaining to the others behind Julie's back. Someone tipped Julie off about it, and she finally blew. Personally, I wouldn't call Julie passive-aggressive just because she was trying not to get into a fight with Alana on a television show. That's not the definition of passive-aggressive at all. Anyway, my main point is that they've run the clip of Julie threatening Alana so many times that it's easy for viewers to see her as a mean bully and Alana the peacemaker, especially when Alana continued to make herself seem like everybody's victim (which is a sign of a passive-aggressive personality). However, the first threat of physical violence came from Alana behind Julie's back and enough of the campers were there to hear it that it surely got back to Julie. |
Mizinvanccouver | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:29 pm     Thanks anyone defending Alana! I was beginning to think I was the only one seeing this. It's refreshing to know I'm not. Danke Schone! *wink* By the way...I was starting to admire Julie more after her challenges especially the leeches sucking off her. I couldn't have done that. Then she had to ruin it by seeming over joyed and giddy when Alana got evicted. Immediately she's smiling and whispering to everyone left in camp. the saad thing is, we the viewers voted Alana off and are basically condoning Julie's actions and sending a message that Alana's type of personality isn't wanted in society. (I actually didn't vote that night as I wasn't home.) |
Grooch | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:36 pm     <<we the viewers voted Alana off and are basically condoning Julie's actions and sending a message that Alana's type of personality isn't wanted in society. (I actually didn't vote that night as I wasn't home.) >> I do not think this statement is accutate. We are not voting people off. We are voting to save our favorite people. I was voting to save Chris last night. |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:36 pm     Curlyq, thank you! I thought I was the only one who remembered Alana's comment about beating up Julie. We're shown Julie's "threat" repeatedly, but we never see Alana's. And remember, at the end, Alana did say she actually thought about punching Julie. So Alana is hardly the wronged innocent, she's just as guilty of the behavior about which she is compaining in others. |
Rissa | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:40 pm     Sorry, didn't run off... had to take new kitten for first vet check. Very, VERY cute vet, didn't there used to be a rule that they had to be older then 16 though? RFLOL >>>So in fact Julie is the "passive agressive" one not Alana because she kept everything bottled up inside to the point of exploding? >>> Hmm, maybe but only cause Alana started it. <<<So how can you blame Alana for Julie bottling up her feelings and not expressing them earlier in a civilized manner?? <<< Because Alana was basically arguing with herself over a piece of chocolate. Julie just didn't want to talk about it at all and kept saying so. Alana turned that piece of chocolate into the biggest issue and it just HAD to be discussed in terms of life-threatening urgency for their past, present and future relationship. Where we disagree on this is that I see it as Julie DID express her feelings earlier and in a civilized manner "I do not want to discuss this". What part of that did Alana not understand? I didn't see Julie walking around saying that they will discuss it later and then procrastinating, I think she made it pretty clear that she didn't want part of it at all. Doesn't she have the right NOT to talk about it without going into a thesis about why? To be clear though, I really don't dislike Alana, (don't know her well enough for that. LOL), she is just the type of person that I could never be around for any period of time. I totally see your point or at least I think I understand where you are coming from. My biggest disagreement is where you talk about the underdog, etc. I just don't see that in Alana. I see her as very strong and determined but she has figured out how to act and talk to get people to do what she wants without her having to feel guilty. I know that I would go along with her more than I would want to, just to get her to be QUIET!!! LOLOL I don't see her as weak at all, maybe I am giving her MORE credit then you are. {ducking and looking for shelter ) I don't really have an opinion on Julie, believe it or not. I had heard the name but never seen her or heard anything from her before this show. I gather she was a DJ (or VJ?) for Much Music when it first started. I don't think she is a bully though. Except for that one occassion with Alana, she has pretty much stayed to herself in the background. She never seems to initiate a single conversation... talks when spoken to, etc. Much the same as I see Maria actually. No doubt either one of them would be intimidating when provoked but otherwise they seem to sit back and watch more than interact. Rather antisocial really. |
Curlyq | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:53 pm     Prisonero6, I can't hold Alana's fantasies against her, since I've been guilty of mentally punching a person myself. I just wanted to point out that Julie didn't launch the first threat, but was trying to keep a distance from someone who couldn't respect her right to keep her thoughts and feelings to herself. I also found it ironic that the only difference between Alana's threat and Julie's is that Alana made hers to the rest of the camp behind Julie's back while Julie made hers directly into Alana's ear. Yet Alana was the one who prided herself on being direct. I don't think either one of them would've ever followed through, though. It was just all talk. |
Mizinvanccouver | Friday, February 28, 2003 - 01:58 pm     Grooch- You're right...we are keeping people in and therefore someone has to go out which happened to be Alana. Just like someone was saying earlier on another thread it's just like all the reality shows, get rid of the old people first. Please don't get me wrong, I ultimately prefer Cris to win too. (He's so sweet and cute! He can teach me to dance anytime he wants!!) Curlyq-- I must not have seen the episdoe when Alana told the camp that either she was going to "beat the *bleep* out of her or..." I don't condone that type of comment either but as we tell our children one wrong doesn't give the right. Rissa--As for the comment about "Julie DID express her feelings earlier and in a civilized manner "I do not want to discuss this". I disagree as if you're going to say something, be prepared to back it up. Can't just blab off and then,"I don't want to discuss this." IN my opinion that's just about control. (Haveing flash backs of similiar arguments with my older sister. lol She would do that all the time, say not to do somethign then I call her on it, well I dont' want to discuss it. Like she's above me and what she says goes. Whatever!! LOL This is so funny...isn't it everyone?? I'm having a hoot! YOu guys are all good debators!! We should start up a debate club and I should start taping the shows so I know what I'm talking about! LOL |
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