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Maris | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 01:50 pm     The winner gets a million? I didnt know that. I thought the winner just got a record contract. well a million is nothing to sneeze at. |
Hobbs | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 01:53 pm     It's a record contract worth a million. At least that's what I thought. Anybody out there verify this? |
Realbiz | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 01:53 pm     A-record-deal-worth-a-million... |
Maris | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 01:58 pm     Well hey, singing with a purple dinosaur is probably valued by a record company at a million bucks. |
Hobbs | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 01:59 pm     I'm allergic to dinosaurs. AAAAAChooo! |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:06 pm     You have a point Onlyhuman -- AI created this monster and if Josh wins they only have themselves to blame. I still don't think he will. There is enough outrage right now that even if he's up against someone I don't like in the final 2, I'd vote against him because I can see that the others have more talent. Interesting article (I think posted in the Clay fan area) where an AI producer said last year's winner, Kelly, was the leader for several weeks, but that this year it has flipped around a lot. This week proves that. I'd like to know how Josh got leave from the Marines during war time. I knew someone in the service and she was going to be shipped off, away from her newborn, and this was during peaceful times! She opted to leave the military instead. Why does Josh seem to be getting special treatment? |
Watching2 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:29 pm     I just put a lengthy post in the "Josh should do the right thing" thread regarding the military and the experience of a good friend. He's been given orders to deploy so many times and then they've been changed. He's now in the mindset he's not telling anyone he's leaving until he actually has his foot on a plane! (He's in an airborne division and so many are there or were there, you'd think for sure he'd have gone.) Josh should be gone from AI. Hopefully next week he'll be gone since America's gotten a wake-up call! |
Emeraldfire | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:37 pm     I totally agree with Heavenly. If everything is above-board and ethical then the votes should be displayed somewhere each week for everyone to see. I don't believe for a second that Rueben came in second to last. Yet it's hard to argue the fact when they hide the actual vote count. Like Jed said, they put Reuben in the bottom 2 for ratings, but meanwhile it's going to have a negative effect on both Clay and Kimberly L due to the panic of Reuben's fans. What if he (Reuben) tanks next week but Clay and Kimberly are awesome? It won't matter for Clay and Kim L because everyone's going to vote for Reuben to make sure he doesn't get voted out. Sorry folks, this is not a rant, and I love Reuben, it's just IMHO something fishy's going on. |
Jedisan | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:44 pm     thanks for the props Hobbs. You can come back now Naughty Boy.
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Brenda1966 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:49 pm     Fox may do some trashy things (think Mr. Personality), but I don't for one minute think they would lie or "fix" the voting or play around in any way, shape or form with the number of votes a contestant recieves. If they did that, and word got out, that kind of scandal would destroy the franchise. They'd probably say they keep the actual vote results quiet so as to not embarrass the loser. I think they keep them quiet so we won't know who's ahead and so that we'll keep tuning in and voting. How many people would have quit watching last year if they knew Kelly was consistently winning? I'd love to see the actual vote tallies, but not because I think Fox is lying to us. I'd like to see how big the gaps are. |
Onlyhuman | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:10 pm     Brenda, I actually DON'T think Josh will win, either. But I would love to see the look of horror on the faces of everyone if it were to happen! I have no doubt that the producers of the show were in heaven when they saw the results Tuesday night! They had the show of their dreams. First, Trenyce would be eliminated. As the votes show, she never had a strong fan base (ended up in the bottom quite a bit) and I never saw a great deal of enthusiasm for her. Second, Ruben, of all people, would be in the bottom two, which would mean shock and horror from everyone watching and great drama as people anxiously stayed around until the end to see if the talent would survive. They got the stunned and rather harsh reactions of the judges, Josh's obvious conflict between shock, relief and dismay and a better song than they would have gotten from the usual boring group sing. More than anything, though, they KNEW that people would be talking about it today and they KNEW that even more would be watching and calling on next Tuesday in order to save their favorites. Josh and Trenyce being in the bottom 2 wouldn't have done that, especially if Josh went. In fact, one could argue that it would get pretty anticlimactic from that point and people might not bother to tune in. And that brings me back to why I want Josh to win. While everyone keeps talking about the horror of Ruben's bottom 2 finish, I can't help picturing those producers practically orgasming over the whoe thing. I'd like them to have to live with the consequences. |
Holly11 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:28 pm     I like Reuben also, but I do not think he should be the American Idol (he did not deserve to be in the bottom two yesterday). I would love for him to have a music career but I feel Clay should win. But from what happened last night, I can see his fans being more aggressive next week, unless they just decided to vote for someone else. This is what the show is suppose to be for the fans. |
Kellirippa | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:29 pm     Tuesday was the beginning of the May rating sweeps on American television....kinda makes you say hmmmmm.... BUT...You know, it's the viewing public that is also the record buying public, so maybe this vote wasn't so much a pro Josh as an anti Rueben thing. Maybe Josh only beat Rueben by a couple votes. Rueben is a talented singer, no doubt, but he isn't really typical pop, he's very Luther Vandross/Barry White...talented, but not exactly top 40! |
Emeraldfire | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:20 pm     Brenda, They seemed to have had no problem embarrasing Carmen after she served her purpose. Letting the public see the results may inspire some who would not ordinarily vote to vote the next week to save their favorite. It would also give the contestants motivation to step up their performance if needed. Maybe I sound like a major skeptic, but don't tell me "millions" voted, never show the results and then put one of the contestants that has always been number one or two in the bottom two and ask me not to question it. Yep, after reading this I will admit, I am a major skeptic! |
Heavenly | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 05:13 pm     There are so many great opinions going on in this thread that it's hard to comment on each point. Emeraldfire,thanks for agreeing with me and after reading your post, I agree with you as well. I have worked in television for many years and let me tell you, during sweeps,they would almost shoot their mother for the ratings. (okay, maybe that's not true) Onlyhuman, you have some good points as well. Next week is HUGE for television ratings and what better way to get us all fired up than to shake up the fans. I don't know how FOX handles the vote. Do we even know who counts the votes? I would think the cell phone tally is taken and then added to other tallies from home phones, computers redialing, etc.--------somewhere, something got fouled up. It is also possible that many people took their favorites' position for granted. We don't have to embarrass them (Simon takes care of that) to know what the percentages are. I could go into millions of things I didn't think someone would do, but I'll spare each of you that pain. I believe all the contestants are talented and we have different kinds of music for that reason. Josh is country and I don't like his style, but think he would have done well on Nashville's Country Search. He is a good example of why I don't think Fox is NOT showing numbers to keep from embarrassing them. Josh and Carmen took enough criticism to make my toes curl. Telling Trenecye she looked like a drag queen was also a bit much. (okay, I did laugh) Ruben has a style that you either like or you don't. I, like Gladys Knight, understand the velvet Teddy Bear era. Clay and Kimberley Locke can sing and often show more range; but please, let Luther Vandross recover and listen to that album coming out in June. It's his style and I for one, wouldn't want to see him change it. Ruben has shown he can come out of the Barry White zone (which I happen to love), but the songs he sings call for the range he uses. I have voted for my favorite consistently, but if my favorite starts to suck, he or she is out of there. I do agree we are doing what Fox wants and will certainly help them in sweeps. However, I believe that some people will lie, cheat and steal for money. (JMHO) However, it is also possible that some fans thought Ruben's line would be busy for two hours and decided not to call. Whatever the reason, I'm sure Fox thanks you for the results. |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:16 pm     I'm just guessing at what their polite reasoning for keeping the vote secret would be. I'd love to know their official reason. Is it posted anywhere in the rules? Why would they want us voting blind? I just think it is so more people will vote and they can say "millions voted" and they can sell their ads for more $ because more people voted so more people must be watching. If they revealed votes and the leader/leaders were way, way ahead of the others, many people wouldn't bother to vote. The perfect solution is to release all the voting history after the season is over. They could publish it on the web site. Kind of like how The Mole tells you what happened during the quizzes and who was the leader and who nearly was executed -- but they don't tell you this until the end. I hope that makes sense, I'm getting tired and Survivor stressed me out... |
Sadiesmom | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:37 pm     I'm with you Brenda, release afterwards. Of course after scooting around on the boards while fighting an overwhelming sense of burnout (I can't keep doing all these meetings every day, who does this?) I have found that Clay fans are more organized and obssessive. Rueben's fans are probably less geeky, his web site is not good. Kim's is inbetween. I think there may be a very large imbalance and that would take away the mystery and probably affect the performers. But it would be interesting to see and match against the songs sung that week, especially the early shows. Hey, did I know I would dial in a few (and I mean less than 5) times myself. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 10:31 pm     I think this may well ensure that Kim will go next and they will get a male "idol" this year. |
Spygirl | Friday, May 02, 2003 - 07:21 am     Sea, I sure hope not...Kim is my girl I will do my best to vote as much for Kim this week as I can. I do not want to see her go before Josh. |
Marymc | Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:33 am     one thing i disagree with here is that josh would have done well on Nashville star. if anyone's seen that show, those people have some serious talent....not just get up there and warble in a country twang. they write their own songs....most play an instrument and they definitely ALL hit the correct notes... (something josh has problems with time to time). i was honestly more impresed with nashville's finalists as a group than AI's. JMO |
Maris | Friday, May 02, 2003 - 10:10 am     I agree Mary and the reason I think Josh will not do well is that he cannot take criticism or use it to improve himself. Simon, is a record executive and if he thinks that Simon is worse than any other executive that he may come across he is dead wrong. Every other performer has taken Simons criticism to heart and used it. Whether they agreed with him or not. Kim got rid of the glasses, changed her image. Ruben cut down on the 205 shirts and worked on his dress, Clay got rid of the twitching and even Trenyce put more emotion into her performances. Josh is the only one who ignored Simon and acted like Simon didnt know what he was talking about. Josh will never work on improving his performance because he thinks he is perfect. |
Heavenly | Friday, May 02, 2003 - 11:45 am     I have never watched the Nashville show that features Country singers. My point is Josh sings country music and would be better suited for a show of that type. I'm not a big fan of Rap music. In my humble opinion, a rapper may not do well on this show and probably wouldn't have made it through the auditions. Unfortunately, I don't know the rules and regulations of the show, but I would like to see the percentages of each contestant after the votes. |
Jimmer | Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:24 pm     There's no way Fox would show percentages. If one contestant were way ahead it would totally kill all the suspense. |
Donut | Monday, May 05, 2003 - 06:24 pm     Looks like everyone's getting into the act... Here is an article from the Boston Herald newspaper: (..and this is Boston's conservative newspaper!) (please don't shoot the messenger...I just figured that I should report what's going on out there. Frankly I think the article was a little harsh and I actually think that it's Kim that needs all the media help she can get... ) -------------------------------------------- reprinted from: THE BOSTON HERALD May 2, 2003 NOW IS THE TIME TO SING OUT FOR RUBEN STUDDARD Listen up, America. This super patriotic pandering has got to stop! Sure it was all fun and games when the pecking party was picking on the Dixie Chicks. And seeing all those Hollywood lefties quake in their Prada boots has been a real hoot. But now innocent people are getting hurt!!! We speak, of course, of Ruben Studdard, that 300-plus-pound hunk o' beefcake who was nearly tossed off American Idol the other nite by flag waving fans, who raced to the phones to save musical Marine Josh Gracin from a well-deserved "Idol" court-martial. Ruben, who finished second-to-last in the phone voting, was nearly collateral damage in the Save Josh offensive. Instead, Trenyce who has on occasion deserved a ticket home, got kicked to the curb. This, despite her primo performance Tuesday. Which left Josh--who knew he should have been packing his green duffel bag--holding his head in his hands and shaking. Josh was spared even though he turned in a "very dreary" performance that was panned by all four judges. Let's face it, Gracin got reprieved because he's a war hero--even though he hasn't had to fight! But it's time for Josh to go. He's already managed to sit out the war in Iraq from the comfort of the "Idol" digs in Malibu while 60 percent of his company shipped out for the desert. And from the looks of it, the increasingly corpulent lance corporal could use a couple weeks of boot camp and K-rations! Ruben, on the other hand, is an all-American success story. His velvet voice has won over cranky Simon Cowell, who, when he first laid eyes on the big guy told him he was "too fat" to be the "American Idol". Simon now says Ruben should win. So do your patriotic duty, America. Go to the phone next week and vote for Ruben. It's time for Josh to be deployed--back to the barracks. ______________________________________ The article was accompanied by a huge picture of Ruben. Is anybody else's local newspaper getting into the act? |
Hermione69 | Monday, May 05, 2003 - 06:49 pm     This doesn't have anything at all to do with the point of the article, but when in the heck did Simon tell Ruben that he was too fat to be the American Idol? I don't remember that at all. |
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