Clay vs. Ruben
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Clay vs. Ruben
Donut | Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 09:23 pm     Stcmom, i am glad to see this thread, for just the reasons you stated.. I kept asking hubby yesterday.. how can anyone choose between Clay and Rueben?? they are both so great! Reubens fashion cracked me up when the went clothes shopping and he bought, of course, yet, ANOTHER red Tshirt! |
Stcmom | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 04:09 am     I was wondering if any one else noticed that although Simon has said Clay is the one to beat in this competition, it seems as if the producers of the show is giving more camera time to Ruben...I have watched the judges reaction to Clay several times and have noticed that the director cut away from Randy's standing O for Clay and showed the audience reaction instead, I also think Paula gave him a standing O because she said here's another one and Clay thanked her but they never showed it, the only standing O shown was Gladys'...In addition, Clay was not seen very much in the video clips while Ruben had a lot of closeups during group songs... Finally, I saw Paula's story about the show in ET and the emphasis was really on Josh (which is really understandable considering he may be going off to war to serve his country) and Ruben, Clay was only mentioned as having another standout performance. My question is, are the producers trying to get a Ruben win or just keeping the show from being a Clay Aiken Show this early in the competition? Not that Ruben does not deserve the attention but I just love conspiracy theories and wondering if anyone else has noticed this... |
Twinkie | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 05:33 am     Stcmom, I think that Clay is getting such overwhelming support in phone calls that he is being downplayed to keep us guessing. I think he is going to be the next American Idol. JMHO |
Essence | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 05:35 am     I hadn't really noticed that one was getting more attention than the other, but to me it seems as though the judges believe Clay will win it all (I think he will too.) I saw Simon on a segment of ET or Extra (can't remember which one it was) and they asked him who the top performers were. He said he felt Clay would be the next American Idol. |
Hermione69 | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 06:34 am     I like them both so much. Clay has my heart in the palm of his hand, but Ruben has been showing more and more personality lately and he has just started to sparkle. I hope they both get beautiful things out of this experience. |
Donut | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 03:19 pm     i had been thinking similar thoughts.. I kind of thought that when Ryan starts the "Roooooben" chant with the audience that he seems to present Ruben as like the big main attraction of the show... does that add to your conspiracy theory? i also frankly think that it might not be a bad idea to keep Clays camera time down a bit.. I dont mean to sound like Simon, cuz I love Clay and Ruben the best, equally at this point..but I find that theres something about Clay that starts to annoy me when I see too much of him and i dont know what it is, but i dont want anyone else to get the chance to feel that too, cuz i want him to get the votes. I think maybe they have him in too much makeup, and i think he should maybe get some Bono style glasses. i think he reminds me a bit too much of Martin Short/Ed Grimsley sometimes... sorry Clay lovers! |
Car54 | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 03:25 pm     I don't know how they handle who gets in the audience but it seemed to me that there was a HUGE contingent of Ruben fans in the live audience both nights---I don't know if they are family and friends from home or local people in LA who like him, but when they pan the audience when Clay is on it seems they focus on his mom and brother. I wonder if that is why Ryan pumps them up because he knows they are there and he can get a big reaction. edited to add: I really like it that the two front runners are not the "pretty boys" one would expect. Clay really looked pretty geeky in his audition and he has really pulled an image together very quickly, and Ruben is physically everything Simon has been known to be against, and they are in the lead. That is really cool. Now if Frenchie was still in it would be perfect. |
Llkoolaid | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 04:23 pm     I am worried about Rueben or Clay getting bumped off. They are clearly the most talented along with Trenyce. I don't like Trenyce and can't wait to see her do her exit song. Anyway my point is I am worried that although most people believe those two are the best that someone completely differant will put one of them out. I'll try to explain: Say that 60% of the voters like Clay and Rueban and that leaves 40%. Say by some miracle the third person is Joshua the marine or Carmen the country girl. What happens if 40% of the audience likes country best, They get 40 percent of the vote while Rueben and Clay share 60 which is 30 each. One of them will go even though 60 percent of the voters think they are better than say Carmen. That is what happened to that girl last year, can't remember her name but the one on Boston Public. |
Llkoolaid | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 04:24 pm     Oh I forgot to say, I love them both and who ever said it was like comparing apples and oranges was right. I want a fruit salad. |
Car54 | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 04:33 pm     LL, that totally could happen. Hope not. I could take Josh or Trenyce, but god help me if it is yodel girl. |
Pantageas | Thursday, March 20, 2003 - 05:04 pm     LL, I think what happened last year is that Tamyra(sp?) didn't have her own demographic, she shared one. Justin wasn't a GREAT singer, but he was better than the rest of the guys, and was a "ladies' choice". He was going to the end regardless with that support. Kelly started steamrolling support at the start of the Final 10, and was getting the "what a voice!" support. Nikki was getting the "cute rebel grrl!" vote. Tamyra was sharing her votes with Kelly. Nikki outlasted the "bad" singers. Christina lost "what a voice!" votes to Kelly and Tamyra. RJ got booted when it was down to the good singers, rebel grrl, and him(not as good or as cute as Justin). Nikki benefitted from image, but not enough to get to the Final 2. Right now, there aren't any "cute" male singers in the competition. Clay gets all those votes by default. He's got an AMAZING voice, but his stylings/performances aren't as good as Justin's from last year. Ruben has an AMAZING voice(w/feeling), but not the "cuteness" or performance. Josh is twangy and married. Carmen probably won't make it through Kim L., Kim C., and Trenyce. While Vanessa and Charles shouldn't have been booted yet, they couldn't win either. Craggle just doesn't count. I guess my point is, in the end, I expect this year's Final 3 to be the 3 best voices - no Nikkis this year... |
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