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Wcv63

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 05:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed Ladytex...they both bring something unique to the table. It's all a matter of preference.

Tabbyking

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
gosh, i don't see where anyone knocked ruben down. i read and re-read, but don't see it. if I did, i apologize!

Hermione69

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 06:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ladytex, its funny you feel like that because I feel like Ruben fans are knocking Clay down. It goes both ways, which is why I said this: "bottom line is Ruben and Clay are both talented people and it all comes down to personal preference." My lip reading comment about him was not meant to be negative, just an observation that ties in with the focus I have to put on someone's mouth. Ruben has a gorgeous voice.

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Abby7

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I just happened upon this thread. I voted for Ruben just because I like him better. That's all.I just prefer his voice over Clay's. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

I've always also thought Clay was very talented, sweet, a real pro.

I have never put down Clay or Ruben. I also love Clay.

Period. Maybe I shouldn't have given my choice on this thread. Sheesh!

Hermione69

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh for heavens sakes, we all need to stop being so sensitive. This is silly.

Hermione69

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think it is anyone's intention to turn this into a cat fight between Clay fans and Ruben fans. They are both talented and it is all personal preference, just like how the comments are taken can be misperception.

Abby7

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 07:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You are right Hermione. It seemed just to get so complicated (add to this all the talk about weight).

Okay, back to the vote. lol

Ruben. (again).

Stcmom

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 07:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, I started this thread because I really like both of them as performers. Although I like Clay also because of his charming looks and boyish personality, this is just a personal preferrence. I have no problem if Ruben wins this competition because I think he is also very talented. Besides, if either of them wins then it will show that anyone can be the American Idol regardless of the image they project as long as they are exceptional talents.

Tabbyking

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 07:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hmmm...
'all this talk about weight'. i made one comment about simon's weight comments! i was directed to another topic... didn't seem excessive to me!

Wcv63

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmmm...I didn't think Ladytex was talking about anyone on this thread but making an observation in general. I happen to be a Clay fan but have to agree that Ruben does indeed have an undeniable talent.

I don't believe I've seen anyone here tearing down another performer (except maybe Corey) and well...Fruitbat is just gonna have to come beat me up to make me stop.

Abby7

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 08:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabbyking: honestly, I wasn't directing that to you. I've read (not in this thread) another thread about his weight. My point was (and I surely didn't express it well and should have never said anything) just that I just thought I/we should go back to keeping it simple. Our choice between the two and why without arguing.

Sorry, for being too sensitive and my part in making this thread not as friendly as it was surely intended.

Tabbyking

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 09:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
abby, that's okay, i just didn't know where everyone thought it got off topic and felt it was my doing, because i did mention weight.
i like them both, although i do favor clay. i think ruben has a great voice and it's going to be difficult once it gets to the end. i'm pretty sure both of these guys make it far, and if it can't be clay or joshua, then make it ruben.

p.s. with joshua, you know how something just makes someone stand out more? like clay's ears? lol
or his working with handicapped kids and letting them duct tape him to the wall? well, with josh, i guess maybe it's because my husband is 'retarded' from the air force (as my son told his kindergarten class on career day) so that part appeals to me. knowing his job and protecting us comes before even hoped-for stardom. also feeling he sings from his heart.

and ruben has such an appeal because everyone just loves him, and he's like the guy next door... and the governor made it ruben day the other night, and a reuben is my favorite sandwich! i love his area code shirts and his pride in his home area. these people are all so loved and appreciated, it is hard to decide who should win. they could all be great american idols.

Kady

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 09:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My son likes Ruben cause he wanted to give all the kids a day out of school. He thinks Ruben is a pretty cool dude. :)

Trisha1

Friday, March 14, 2003 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The great thing is...everyone has their favourites and that's OK. I don't think anyone has ripped into Ruben, but then again its all in the perception. My favourite is Corey! I think he will go all the way and I wouldn't mind betting the final four will be (in no particular order-Corey, Clay, Trynece (spelling?) Josh. I think Ruben is great, but I don't think he will be America's choice for American Idol. I don't think Josh will be chosen either-but the sympathy factor of being a Marine might possible alter that. But, Hey, I like them all!!

Fruitbat

Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 04:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not in the mood to beat you up today Wcv and you are safe anyway because though I like Corey I can not champion him.

Carmen is the one I want to rush in and protect. She hasn't had a chance yet, only sang one song, and many are down on her. Her voice is incredible.

Scribe

Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 02:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Missed Carmen this week - but seems she was really good. I will be careful not to miss her next week.

But, Clay is the only one who has given me goose bumps - I need gb to vote for someone - takes too much effort to get through!!!!

Ladytex

Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, I wasn't talking about this thread in particular. I just wanted to make the point that those are two talented guys who appeal to different people in different ways.
As far a Carmen is concerned, she did a great job this week. I'm all for a young woman with a good voice that doesn't dress or act like a {enter your choice of word here}

Hermione69

Monday, March 17, 2003 - 04:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are both really talented singers. I think we all agree on that. I have no problem with either of them winning but I do get goosebumps from Clay; could be because I have a little crush on him...

"I'm all for a young woman with a good voice that doesn't dress or act like a {enter your choice of word here}"

DITTO! :)

Walker

Monday, March 17, 2003 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
im with you hermione..clay gives me goosiebumps too.

Hobobabe

Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Reuben is my choice. I see what Simon (and all the others) see in him. His voice is strong and smooth at the same time.

I also think he will continue to do well as the musical genres change. Who would have thought he could do so well with "Superstar"--a Karen Carpenter song no less!

So we know he can do ballads. He can do moderate tempo ("Baby, I Need Your Lovin'). And, if they do a "Disco" themed show, I suspect he can out sing even Barry White on "You're My First, My Last, My Everything."

I do admit he could use an eventual rescue from the Fashion Emergency folks, but his clothing is a minor concern right now. It's the voice that matters.

Go, Reuben!

Mydogbuffy

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 05:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I prefer Clay's voice because I believe he can sign a more variety of song types. But Ruben is a wonderful singer - more soulful and motown - which I grew up on. I would LOVE to be able to sing like either of them. I would love to sing as well as the worse one. But I congratulate each one for their spirit, their drive and having the courage to follow their dreams. I believe those that are really good will have a chance to go on to greater things even if they don't make it to the top.

Essence

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 06:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't really see it as a Clay vs Ruben thing. They both have wonderful voices, consistent each week, and have adapted well to the different song styles so far. It all comes down to a person's preference. They are appealing to different groups based on their style. I prefer Ruben's style to that of Clay's, but that does not say Ruben is the better singer. It's comparing apples to oranges. This happened last year with Kelly/Tamyra. I think out of these two we should have our next American Idol, but we all know that someone else can sneak in there and knock one of these two out of the running. They both have star quality, and both will make it far. While Ruben is my favorite I predict that Clay will most likely win, and that would be just fine with me.

Marameko

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Reuben is an outstanding singer.He is my preference as I dearly love R & B. Clay is good and will probably end up singing as a FT gig and being famous. But.........Reuben rules.

Bandit

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mydog - Worst one? Like Keith? lol

Hummingbird

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay, of course!