Archive through October 19, 2002
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Shortnsweet | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:22 am     I think Aaron will be going home alone at the end of this show. It seems that the women who are attracted to him, he is not attracted to. And the woman he finds interesting are very guarded around him. I think I understand why he is single. |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:52 am     He has been interviewed and though he is not saying what happens, reading between the lines, it looks like he will give a ring to someone. I got that feeling anyway. |
Mack | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:16 am     Can't say that I disagree with you Short. Seems to me that Brooke and Heather are coming on really strong and, while Christi was over the top, Aaron doesn't seem to respond well to that kind of attention. Could be that he's attracted to Helene because she's keeping him at a distance, physically and emotionally. On the other hand, I believe she's the trained psychologist.....could this be a ploy on her part and it might just be working. |
Denecee | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:23 am     Very good opinions! It seems I agree with most of you. My favorite is Brooke, then Helene. I'm so glad Christi is gone, she was clueless. Heather from Texas needs to go. She's cute but jealousy is ugly. I took Brooke's hesitating as her being scared of getting hurt. I'm glad she decided to go for it. |
Max | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:36 am     I was really glad to see that Aaron caught on to Christi's clinginess. It was disturbing to hear her version of things. She really seemed SO deluded! She seemed to truly believe that HE was the one who kept bringing up the drama and that for her it was in the past. NOT! She also seemed to really believe that HE kept standing near her, holding her hand, and staring at her during the Napa date. NOT! Those things were ALL HER! Whenever I saw him with her, it seemed that his body language said "How can I escape this woman?" not "How can I get closer to this woman?" Today's very brief interview on GMA with her didn't make me feel any better about this, either. She still seems to think that he was just misguided in not wanting to marry her. Sad to see someone that deluded. Hayley is from Oregon. The local paper has been running stuff about her being on the show. We really haven't seen much of her, though. I was glad to see her get to stay. Maybe we'll get more of a glimpse next week. Heather from Texas disappointed me, too. I liked her before and hoped she'd go far, but she's coming on WAY too strong. Aaron's comment about how he better go talk to her or she might beat him up was pretty telling. I was actually surprised he gave her a rose after that and the way she talked about Brooke behind her back. Brooke's age didn't seem to be an issue to me until that "revelation that Aaron is dating nine of my best friends" thing. How naive can you get? First of all, these women are NOT your best friends. They are your competitors for a man. As has already been seen with Heather from Texas making comments about Brooke, some of these gals will do whatever it takes to be the one who gets the ring. I think that's where Helene messed up, too. She told women she thought were her friends about Aaron giving her his number. Those "friends" then proceeded to turn on her. I never got why a Mormon would go on this show in the first place. Maybe she's not a "practicing" Mormon. Certainly, if she were, I doubt her faith community would look very kindly on this tactic to win a man. Especially a man who isn't a Mormon. It's one thing to mix Catholic and Protestant, but Mormon and other faiths don't mingle too well. I don't know what will happen next. In a sense, I'll miss Christi because she was definitely the wild card. Never knew what she was gonna do next and that made for interesting viewing.  |
Realfan | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:26 am     ITA with your posts, guys. As usual! I didn't care for Aaron pushing Helene into kissing him. I got a kick out of watching him being non-committal and wearing "suffering listener face" on the carousel with psycho Christi. That was NOT the most shocking rose ceremony yet--if anything it was predictable. Brooke seems too young to me, too, but Heather shouldn't have said so. I wouldn't be surprised if she self-combusted later. Don't have a clear fave, but Helene, Gwen, and the funny one--Hayley, and for the same reasons Jen mentioned. (I thought that candle question was really, really lame, BTW. What would that really tell anyone about anyone anyway?) |
Max | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:39 am     Realfan: "suffering listener face" Too perfect! I kept wanting to see the thought balloons above his head like they put on the picture during Blind Date!  |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:44 am     That would have been great, Max. That conversation made me squirm too. I had to laugh when he changed the rules of skiball. Didn't slow Christy down one bit! |
Weenerlobo | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:12 pm     Max - was gonna say the same thing about Cristi - I am glad she's gone, but I'm wondering if it might be kinda boring without her around. There really isn't anybody that I can say that I'm rooting for. I was surprised that Helene acquiesed to the hoochy-mamma pants that Aaron liked so much, but then y'all reminded me that she's a psychologist so there ya go. She's got that "C'mere, c'mere, c'mere. No go away, go away, go away" thing goin on. I don't like Brook and I'm not sure why. I'm thinking the sniffling girl with the mysterious past thing is really getting played up. I liked Heather from Texas too, but she's freakin out. Maybe she drank the same water that Cristi was drinking . . ? |
Fruitbat | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:19 pm     Brooke and the I have a secret, but I am not telling, behaviour may backfire. If you don't want to mention something, don't. She is young and this is one way it is showing. I am sure he has already figured it out. I think he will mention this to the camera, at some point, as being a factor in not giving her a rose. She is also becoming very attached and this may make him uneasy. |
Realfan | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 04:52 pm     One thing I notice about all the girls with Aaron is that none of them seem to lose their awareness of the camera. The conversations all sound really stilted to me. And when Aaron does something "nice" (paid for by the producers), the girls invariably gush, "oh, theeeenk yeeeew" in a fakey beauty-pageant sort of way. I mean, if I'm partying/dating/getting to know someone and actually LIKE them, I start acting goofy, tease them, get into debates about topics of the day, annoyances in my life, my family (sometimes also an annoyance!), talk about plans and wishes. But none of these people seem to have much personality--or the editing would rather let us see the false "magic" of the dates than any real connecting. Well, heck, I'm an old married fart, what do I know? Oh, and I'm from Oregon, too. Where is Hayley from? No wonder I like her sense of humor. |
Toby | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:33 pm     I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet but I have no doubt that Aaron's friends filled him in on Christi. Christi even said something like "If they haven't already picked me for the single date, I think they will now because I really let them know how I feel about Aaron." I'm sure Aaron's friends picked up on her "fatal attraction" very quickly and warned him. Another thing, as so many of you pointed out, Aaron seemed to push himself on Helene and Brooke by forcing kisses on them. I am really worried about Brooke because she seems so young and vulnerable, but beyond that, why didn't she have on underwear when she returned to the house? Did he push her on more than just kisses? This is the first time I have posted on this board. I am actually a 3 year Big Brother lurker. These shows are my secret obession. I just cannot believe that I am hooked on the Bachelor II. Geeze... |
Max | Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:39 pm     Realfan, Hayley evidently went to high school (I think that's right) in Lake Oswego. I haven't followed the Oregonian's stuff on her much 'cause I haven't had time to read the paper lately! Toby. Brooke probably just didn't put her underwear back on after they were in the hot tub. Not an unusual thing, really. Heck, so much "underwear" now consists of a piece of dental floss that it hardly makes a difference anyway! |
Fabnsab | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 02:10 am     I hate to say this but I am sad to see Christi go. She was the ONE I loved to hate. I guess I'll have to set my sights on Heather now. I disliked both of them from the get and now I will enjoy watching her obsess. Sick, isn't it? I do not like Aaron. I was torn the first few weeks but after seeing him force that kiss on Helene and knowing how she was uncomfortable in those pants but he kept saying" but you look so hot in them,(pp)" he makes it seem like he is hinting that you better do what he wants or theres a house full of women who will. Thats just my take. Brooke is sweet but her age showed. It is one thing to feel a bit bothered by the situation you find yourself in and unprepared but she is on her way to a meltdown. I wish they did more interviews so we could see what they're all thinking as things happen. I am so used to BB being 24/7 and the diary room. I want more, damn it! |
Shortnsweet | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 07:43 am     Fabnsab, Have you checked out the after show videos on ABC's web site? Here is a link: http://abc.abcnews.go.com/primetime/specials/bachelor/gallery.html They are kind of fun to watch. |
Dahli | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 08:26 am     Why oh why do his best friends think Brooke is the perfect woman for him....?? I spose she's nice enough but her behaviour is disturbed, she's the next psycho in my opnion or meltdown perhaps and her look is hard like Christi, both seem older than their age and neither will continue to age well IMHO. Can't think of who would fit him, perhaps Helene or Gwen, but Suzanne would have given him a run for his money! |
Sbw | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:17 am     On the ABC message board some of them are convinced that Angela was his final pick since she has recently given notice. Brooke is back at school and "dating". I take this with a grain of salt, since I am not sure it is true. It is interesting in HIS diary that Helene and Brooke are not mentioned. Heather from Texas replaced Heather from California in his picks because Heather CA apparently told him basically that she was not "into him". He was into her. Hayley has the admiration of the other girls and his friends, but he doesn't see what they are seeing. |
Fruitbat | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 09:21 am     Sbw. Neat stuff. Thanks. |
Denecee | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 11:34 am     Dahli- I have to disagree with you about Brooke's look being hard and her looking older. She is as cute as a button and looks younger than she is. I don't know that she is the best pick for him but they do make a cute couple. I also disagree that Aaron forced a kiss on Helene, I mean, how old is this girl? She could have stood her ground but she kissed him. Aaron's friend's have known him his whole life so I guess they would have a better idea than us as to who is most compatible. |
Mack | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 01:40 pm     I noticed the interesting scene, kind of an out-take, at the end of the show where the ladies were making fun of the way Aaron acts during the rose ceremonies. It was funny but at the same time I was thinking...."Hmmm...you laugh about it now and make fun of him but almost all of you looked like you were going to mess your pants waiting for him to call your name." Maybe the producers tell Aaron et al to make it serious and dramatic. As a pyschologist I'd have to say they all looked appropriately nervous to me and didn't need any coaching. Unlike last year I really don't see a specific front runner....3 good candidates but no clear leader. |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 01:51 pm     Well, Mack, spill! Who do you see as the 3 good candidates? |
Yuhuru | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 02:48 pm     I had mentioned last week that I thought Brooke and Heather were just a couple of episodes behind Christi in the psycho department, and I think they showed that this week. I think Aaron can be a little pushy with his kisses. I first noticed it with Gwen in the Hot Air Balloon. The girls just seem awkward. I think in the real world they would have playfully declined his kisses by words or actions, but this is a contest. they probably feel that if they don't kiss him, he may not give them a rose. who knows??? Welcome Toby! |
Fruitbat | Friday, October 18, 2002 - 04:01 pm     I think the camera in their faces has a lot to do with the kisses looking forced. I have to believe they loved the notion and if in private would have succuumbed to the moment. |
Mack | Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 06:20 am     The 3 I see as the best candidates right now are Gwen, Heather, and Helene but I can't say I'm sure about any of them. Heather has slipped and probably will slip more because of her "trashing" the other ladies to Aaron...he doesn't seem to care for that kind of input. Without giving credit to whoever said it above it looked like Heather and Brooke were following in Christi's footsteps...maybe a bit too closely and won't last long if Aaron is really as put off by that kind of behavior. |
Hermione69 | Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 07:25 am     Max, I'm with you on two of the three. I think Helene will last to the final two and I think Gwen will go far also, at least to the final three or four. Helene is who I would've picked to go all the way, but she has started to "stir the pot" a bit in regards to the other women and that does not seem to work with Aaron. That whole thing with the note was deliberately manipulative, in my opinion, and I was disappointed because she was one of my favorites. I still think she will make it to the final two, or at least the final three. I do think Gwen's age will end up counting against her, although Aaron would probably be way too PC to admit to that if it was the case! I hope I am wrong about that, but I know that is just the way it goes sometimes. I think Gwen has been sweet and easy-going and I have not seen her get catty yet. I like her. I've picked up on an air of desperation about Heather that is a little painful to watch. As a divorced 33-year old who hasn't had a good date in years, I can identify with it, but it is not going to win her the man! Gwen is a year older than Heather and I haven't picked up on a whiff of desperation where she is concerned. I think Brooke is going to unravel. She seemed a little too pouty pre-ceremony and I thought the way she accepted the rose was graceless. She just seems to have too much baggage and when you have that kind of stuff to work through (the father issues), it is truly better to do it BEFORE you get seriously involved. She is young and beautiful and has plenty of time to find someone special, but she needs to resolve some issues first. I couldn't tell you the first thing about Angela and apparently some message boards think she is IT, so I hope her story comes out soon. I can't even picture what she looks like! I like what I have seen of Hayley, and she has a classiness about her that I admire, but Aaron doesn't seem to feel it according to his diary. Maybe that will be a red herring? (I love this show!) |
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