Tonight's Show 2/5/03
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Tonight's Show 2/5/03
Grooch | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 09:14 am     I agree with Realfan about Kim. Kimberly just rubs me the wrong way. And it had nothing to do with the Kim/Julia drama. I think Julia is to blame for that incident, not Kim. I was shocked that Kimberly didn't make it. I thought it would be her and Julia. I really don't care for either one of them. I think Julia has a diva attitude. I also don't think Kim had the best voice for that group. I think the judges thought she was the best when you take image into consideration. She had the best look out of all of them, not the best voice. Maybe Kim bothers me because I am not a huggy/kissy person and I don't like people I don't really know well invading my personal space. And that is what I kept seeing her do. And that just annoyed me watching it. Also, she reminds me of a few people I know in real life who are fakes, that do the same things she did. So I am most likely projecting that on her. Sorry, can't help it.  |
Grooch | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 09:19 am     Realfan wrote: <<Funny that the judges assumed we would all be giving Patrick a sympathy vote. >> Nope. Not from me. I gave all my sympathy votes to Bettis.  |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 09:42 am     And I gave my sympathy votes to JD! I'm in agreement with both Grooch and Realfan about Kim. LOL about the Pageant handbook! Kim just has to get right in the middle of everything. Let the winners have a moment before they get mauled please! Kim did pull a Sharon Stone and sometimes Stone gets on my nerves, but I have seen her in one-on-one interviews and she is intelligent and introspective, something I don't think Kim is by reading her bio online. She comes across as groomed but shallow. ITA about the family being in the red room. These aren't children, they are young adults. They shouldn't need mommy holding their hand or daddy rushing onstage. If this is about being professional, they need to move the parents somewhere they can watch, but not interact. |
Seamonkey | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:43 am     I taped the wrong timeslot last night.. arrgh.. I agree that they need to lose the family participation right away. This isn't a competition for stage mother/father of the year; banish them. I did think that Kim was a camera hog. |
Realfan | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:25 am     Yeah, I don't really believe that Kim is THAT good a buds with Charles, do you? You'd think they were, from the way she acted! Do you think they'll dump the family participation thing, or keep it? Any idea how general reaction is on the issue? If they dump it, would they dump it for the next show, or dump it after all four of this round have sung to be "even" and not look like they caved to pressure or made a mistake? Who knows? |
Realmom | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 03:03 pm     Wanted to post after Tuesday's show, but didn't get a chance. Lots of interesting comments at this site, and I've enjoyed reading what you've all had to say. I have had lots of voice training with different teachers, from elementary school until I finished college. My daughter sings and has been in voice lessons with a couple of different teachers as well. It is fun for us to make our comments about singers first, then to see if the judges make similar ones. We find ourselves in agreement with Simon and Randy much more often than P-ahow-lah. (I love the way Simon says her name!) I know it's after the fact, but I'd like to make a few comments about Tuesday's eight (and you guys have such a nice convo going about this). I watched the show twice. It is good to watch a second time to really listen after that first impression viewing. I wasn't blown away by anyone in the first group, which was disappointing. Last year, seems like I had an absolute favorite in every group. Kimberly--nice look, dressed right (but a bad color for her), but I didn't care too much for her voice. It was alright, but I bet it is not too versatile--she can probably do only certain songs "right." Patrick--I liked his voice, but didn't care for the song. He had phrasing problems. Anyone else notice how he took a noticeable breath at the end of each line? Maybe it was the song. I didn't care about how he was dressed. That's not what it is all about for me, but he was dressed okay. He's a big guy--give me a break! It is hard to dress a big guy to look trendy. I realllly didn't like it that his dad came out on stage. Very unprofessional, but not his fault. I think the judges may not have minded his dad coming out and didn't realize how it affected voting--maybe that's why he was Randy's and Paula's pick to win for the top two from the group. J.D.-- Nice looking kid, mediocre voice--'nuff said. He might have potential for Broadway singing with more training. Trenyce--I liked her. She had energy and stage presence (I said it before the judges-hee hee). The gutteral thing was annoying, but her voice otherwise was very nice. She could be trained to not lapse so often into the gutteral noise (it can be effective if used sparingly). Bettis--Cute, but I didn't like the song or his voice from what I heard. I would have liked to hear him sing a different song because I couldn't really tell what his voice was like from what he sang. Who do you think picks out what they sing? The contestant or someone else? Meosha--Pretty voice, but no energy. That is why I think Simon said, "So what?" She had a nice look, but I could have done without the hat. Hats hide faces, and I want to see all the facial expression and light in the eyes. She kept looking down and just seemed tired. Charles--My favorite of the night. Nice voice, but you could tell he was nervous. His hand trembled the first night, too. His style of clothing overwhelmed him, and I'd like someone to dress him better. My teen who sings is petite, too--sometimes it is hard to get a loud sound of a tiny body, but when he gets there, I think he'll be outstanding. Julia--I like the song and she sang it well. There is something about both her and Kimberly that I don't care for, and it has nothing to do with their spat. Too fake and full of themselves. At first I thought Julia looked old; now I think she looks "hard." I did like her voice better than Kimberly's. My votes were for Trenyce, Charles and Julia. I didn't mind the families back stage before the singer sang, but I think they should have been gone by the time the contestant came back from hearing the judges' comments. I'm curious enough to want to see their families, but I don't want to be influenced by them. Patrick's dad was a strike against him. I felt so sad for Bettis's crying sis. I thought Charles was adorable as he reacted to his family's praise. He is so sweet with his momma, and any boy who treats his momma well has got to be all right. See, though--I don't want these types of influences on me--negative or positive. I wasn't unhappy with the Charles win, but a bit surprised by the Julia win. I don't think either will make it far in the top ten. Fun to post and read...next week I'll try to weigh in earlier. |
Jbean | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 03:10 pm     seamonkey, about julia looking like bridget on b&b, i am so glad you pointed that out, i couldn't figure out who it was she looked like, and that was it! |
Muse | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 08:39 pm     Realmom, the contestants choose their songs. I agree about Bettis picking a strange song ("strange" as in it didn't show off his voice at all - kind of important at this stage in the competition). |
Seamonkey | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 10:56 pm     Jbean.. I don't know who Bridget is .. think it was someone else who must have pointed that out. I don't even know what b&b is.. beavis and butthead?? (I live a sheltered life in many ways) |
Fabnsab | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:14 pm     Seamonkey, I would wager a guess on Bold and the Beautiful. I think I read it mentioned before in one of these threads. |
Fabnsab | Thursday, February 06, 2003 - 11:27 pm     Ok, I just watched Simon and Ryan on extratv.com and he had the nerve to say that Kimberly Caldwell needed to lose her"puppy fat." He said twice she had to lose weight and choose better songs. I can agree with most things he says but come on!! If he thinks she is too fat, poor Frenchie, Ruben, and Kim have no chance with him at all. He is too judgmental when it comes to weight. I know thats his job but idols come in all shapes and sizes. |
Hermione69 | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:43 am     OMG! I think Kimberly has a lovely body! Kelly Clarkson is hippier than Kimberly is and nothing was ever said to her, I don't think. I wonder what motivated Simon to say something like that. It will be interesting to see what he says to Ruben, Frenchie and the other Kim. Interesting might be the wrong word. It will probably be painful. To me, the definition of an "Idol" goes way beyond body size. There is something wrong with this picture. And I actually thought he had lightened up a bit this time on the weight issue. |
Djgirl5235 | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 04:25 am     This is the one time that I am SOOOOOOOOO proud to be Canadian!!!! The image stigma isn't as harsh here - maybe because it can be cold in most of the country for half of the year and we need the extra fat to keep warm! I caught a little of the Canadian version of "Popstars" last night, and a lot of the people they had advanced weren't thin as a rail, that's for sure! The other nice thing, is that Canada realizes that you're not over the hill as an idol at 25... An Idol is someone that inspires you to live up to their example. My idol (for music anyway) is Sarah McLachlan - someone who isn't afraid to be an individual, to have her own sound, to be gracious and loving of her fans, someone who is friendly and warm and humble. You can sing, and know that you can sing, but there's a difference between being humble about it, and being sure about it... Kim is "sure" about it... Another one of my idols is Jann Arden - now she's not the smallest woman in the world, but has an absolutely beautiful sound, and is a Canadian favourite. I really can't wait until Tuesday night to hear Kim, Ruben & Clay. It sort of upsets me that all three of them are in one group because I would like to see all of them advance. Well, that's about all I have to say for now, except, Realmom - I do the exact same thing as you and your family, and I agree with Simon & Randy most of the time. I actually had to change channels during JD's song due to him being offkey for every single held note - it was driving me crazy!!! I too have had years of vocal and piano training, and also have judged numerous contests, so this show just makes my day most of the time! |
Grooch | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 06:59 am     I am disgusted that he said that about Kimberly. Her weight is perfectly fine. She is not a fine boned person. Does he want her to look like Celione Dion or Laura Flynn Boyle with their Lollypop heads? It pains me to look at Celione. She is not naturally that skinny and it just looks gross and scarey to me. |
Webkitty | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 07:34 am     I caught the puppy fat comment too. He also made a comment about the song she choose. He said something about it being the lesbian national anthem as he rolled his eyes. I would imagine after the other night, and now his comments, it would knock the smug right out of her. I doubt she will get a wild card slot now. He also said something about Charles, but I can't remember what right now. (I think he said Charles would not advance to the next round, but I could be wrong) I have always agreed with Simon that what these kids want comes with a price. They need to work hard and be able to take the critisim that goes along with the perks, but he seems extra harsh this year. I cringe to think what he might say to the others that REALLY carry some extra weight. Grooch, I agree about Celine being scary skinny. She also does not come across as sincere to me. She has a beautiful voice, but I have never liked her 'tude. Julia reminds me of her. She is no Kelly Clarkson. I am looking forward to seeing the other Kim perform next week. She could really belt out a tune, and seemed to have a great attitude. |
Rslover | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 08:07 am     I picked the top three! But, I did think that Kim would beat out Julia. |
Hermione69 | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 09:21 am     This leaves me speechless that even Simon would flap his gums and let garbage like that escape. Sometimes I think Simon just likes to run his mouth to get attention. Grooch, your description of Laura Flynn Boyle and Celine Dion as lollipop heads is right on. They are so painfully skinny! They look like they could be picked up and snapped in half with no effort at all. I would like to know what he said about Charles. It can't be that he doesn't advance to the next round, because there is no next round. He's already made it to the last round. This is unnecessary and over-the-top. Criticism comes with the territory, cruelty should not. |
Brenda1966 | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:28 am     I find Simon's comment sickening too. She is not overweight! Simon may have a nice upperbody and shoulders, but in pictures I've seen, his lower body is not hot so he has no room to talk. Simon seems to be loving the spotlight and the attention, so the more nasty comments he gives the more attention he gets. While I find political incorrectness refreshing in these PC-sensitive times, I do not enjoy the cruelty. |
Realfan | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:44 am     Simon--I usually love hearing him, but not this time! What a stupid thing to say. I think he's trying to come up with "reasons" that America didn't vote Kim into the next round, and he came up with: 1) America is fat-phobic (no, simon, you are) and 2) America is homophobic, and dissed her for singing the "lesbian national anthem." He needs to shut up now. |
Weenerlobo | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 11:20 am     Lollipop Heads!! I love it! |
Kitt | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 01:47 pm     That puppy fat comment got me upset too, that's the sort of thing that can screw up impressionable girls for life. I haven't taken much of a liking to Kimberley but she has a beautiful body, and it's not just irresponsible, but also ignorant to say otherwise. The "lesbian pop anthem" comment was not his quote, but what people had said to him. I think he was ridiculing it, which would be a good point were it not for his previous puppy fat comment . Oooo Simon, you need to not try so hard to be a shock-jock. |
Hermione69 | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 02:03 pm     I didn't see this and I was talking about it with my brother. It just doesn't compute for me. Is there any possibility that he was just being sarcastic or a smartass? It really doesn't make sense to me that he would make those comments about Kimberly. He was very positive towards her all through the process. In fact, I don't recall him making one comment during the audition process to anyone about needing to lose weight, not even to Ruben or Frenchie. What prompted the comments? Was he asked why he didn't think she was voted through? He does have a very dry sense of humor and it is hard to tell sometimes when he is serious and when he is being sarcastic. He can be cutting and even cruel, but this just doesn't compute for me, not in reference to Kimberly Caldwell. Maybe he was disparaging the American public for not voting her through and this is what he came up with as to why we didn't. That I can see. I wish I had seen the whole thing, not a clip, but the whole thing. |
Kitt | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 02:28 pm     He definitely meant that it was his opinion that Kimberley needed to lose some puppy fat to make it as a major pop star. I saw the whole interview and I'm English so I can translate Simon pretty well. It's the first time I've actually been disappointed in him, usually there's reason to what he says, even if it does seem harsh. |
Webkitty | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 02:41 pm     Thanks Kitt, I caught the segment, but wasn't paying that much attention to it. What did he say about Charles? I remember he something....... |
Hermione69 | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 02:49 pm     That's a shame. I just cannot fathom why someone would look at Kimberly and think she needed to lose weight. |
Kitt | Friday, February 07, 2003 - 03:15 pm     The only thing I could think of was that the clip showing on the screen at/near the time he made the comment was of her face, not full length, and she does have that teenage what I would call "freshness" about her. She has more of a girl's face than a woman's. That's giving Simon a HUGE benefit of the doubt though, he might not even have been looking at the same pictures we were. |
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