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Skypilot

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Which one has the father in jail? Was that Gwen or Brooke?

Hermione69

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Brooke has the father in jail, allegedly for serial rape, including rape of minors. Not a nice picture.

Denecee

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione, I have liked Helene for the past couple of weeks. She reminds me of a friend from NJ who I knew in highschool. I thought he was being honest with himself when he was with her. Helene didn't put him on a pedestal like the other women did. I'm not saying anything bad about the other two because I really liked all of them.

Denecee

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey, has any of you noticed how Aaron twitches his nose? I'm not positive, but I think he does it when he is uncomfortable. It's funny.
The reason he did not send Brooke home last night, IMO is because he doesn't want to hurt her. Brooke seems so delicate. She is such a little sweety I hope she doesn't take this personal. It's just one guy.

Minnyace01

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And now for some thoughts from a male. What has taken place the past couple of weeks has been pretty predictable. Remember when Heather from Texas was sent home, Aaron said that there was nothing romantic there. I believe that he had those same feelings about Gwen. There was never any spark between them. It never looked like he was having any fun with her, outside of the bedroom. To me, it looked like he was really having a hard time getting into kissing her. So, I can't say that I am surprized that she is gone. What took so long to make last nights decision was that he didn't know who to let down first - Brooke or Gwen. There has never been any doubt in his mind that he was going after Helene. All he had to do was convince her that he was the one. That is why he always saved Brooke for the last rose, he knew that she would accept it and with the others, he never really knew for sure. Helene is the best choice for him. They have that chemistry between them and have fun being together. What will be interesting though, is if they become engaged. I can't see a relationship developing when they live halfway accross the country. He isn't going anywhere-he is in Missouri forever. So, she is going to have to pick up her roots, professional career and all, and move to his hometown. If he is as sincere as he appears to be, and wants to get married, he is going to have to propose to her to get her to do this. She isn't going to just pack up and leave on a whim. This is a very sharp and confident lady (something that a lot of men appreciate). Just a hunch, because I really don't know, but I think that he does propose in a couple of weeks, and she accepts.

Hermione69

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Denecee, you are very sweet, I have noticed that from the beginning! :) I liked Helene better before she started to strike me as manipulative. I really can't take manipulative people. I do like that she is a school psychologist. My sister is one and it is a heck of a tough job for relatively little pay.

I haven't noticed that about the nose twitch. Body language will do you in!

Theowl

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree about the kissing thing. It looks like they would get more enjoyment out of kissing a mustard pack!!

Ginger1218

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Minnyace, on last night's show, Helene did tell him that she could get her job anywhere. So, I don't see her moving as an obstacle

Denecee

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
AWW! Thanks Hermione, you are very sweet too! Are you an Aries? lol I don't see Helene as manipulative but I can see how people might get that impression. I think it's the cameras. I know I would come off as a stuttering fool.

Hermione69

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't even want to know how I would come across, which is why I would never subject myself to it! Scary thoughts!

BTW, I am an Aries, actually!

Weenerlobo

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I've always liked Helene the most. She seems like she's pretty comfortable with herself and doesn't change into someone different when she's with Aaron. I've had a few friends that are smart, witty and humorous, until ya get around the guys and then they turn into bimbos.

Gwen seemed very sweet, but also kinda insipid. Her departure was the best I've heard her speak and it was very well done.

I think Brooke is the manipulative one here. She's getting a bit of mileage out of the tears and now she's moved into the "whatever is best for you" routine which makes her seem so giving. I don't know why I don't believe her, but I don't.

Yep there's my

Hermione69

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, Weenerlobo, you made some good points. Kudos!

Denecee

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Weenerlobo, I agree with you about Gwen's departure being the best. The only thing I would have changed if I were her is that I would have told Aaron to give me a call if it doesn't work out between him and H or B. I thought it was very mature of her not to get all teary eyed in front of Aaron.

I don't think Brooke is manipulative only immature when it comes to men. She wears her feelings on her sleeve and may still believe in fairy tales. I still think she is too cute and I like her humor.

Realfan

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I knew Helene would be the one. It's pretty obvious now. Weener, I liked her the most, too, for a long time. She seemed the most real, and seemed to bring out the "realness" of Aaron, too. The two were often laughing together. So were Alex and What'sherface. There's something about being about being able to get each other's silly comments that cements a relationship. :) Seriously, it's vital to "get" each other on that level. Gwen was sweet, but the conversation always seemed so formal between Aaron and the other women--which went a long way toward making him look stiff and bland.

I was interested that he admitted (sort of) that he's falling in love with one of the women. Cool.

So, ITA, Minny. It's pretty obvious now.

Gwen was very classy at her departure. I am way impressed with her as a woman. I bet there are men out there dying to call her.

Minnyace01

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sure that most of you are also following the message board at the ABC site. Can you believe some of those posters? It's nice to have a site to post where the average IQ and maturity level of the posters is rather high.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was sad to see Gwen go and of the two left I hope he picks Helene, I liked her at first then I hated her. I thought she was phoney and manipulative. My opinion of her is a little better after seeing them on last nights show. She did seem a little more real.
I too think he will pick Helene, I think the secrets of the other two killed any chances for them. He may never admit it but I didn't believe him when he said Brooke's father didn't bother him and Gwen's divorce wasn't a big deal. He looked uncomfortable when he was saying that it would n't affect his decision, something like he was tying to convince himself that was true.

Sbw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 03:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Minny - yes I visited there once and read a few messages and once last year. Immature... that puts it mildly. :)

Mack

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't know about this board last year and used the ABC site. Minnie is spot on.....a mature conversation is not possible.

Donut

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
am i the only one who doesnt get why he keeps going with helene??
i keep seeing her as being totally stiff, acting like they are perpetually on a first date in front of a camera, and something about her seems a bit psycho(well, maybe too strong a word but i cant come up with another one right now).
maybe i missed something cuz i missed the first couple weeks...
is it just that he likes the challenge of trying to figure her out??
but then again, it seems like everyone here likes her..

Fabnsab

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 12:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Donut, I'm with you. I do not see the allure of Helene. I do not like her at all. It started with the whole scene in the beginning when she took him aside and basically said she "might" leave because the other women are so catty. That is a female ploy to tell him what the other women are up to without looking catty herself while making herself look to be above such behavior. She should have kept that note to herself too. Her laugh is grating and how she ends every sentence "...and everything" or "...and stuff."
" think you're cute and everything"

I do think he is going to choose her though. Unless they edited it to throw us off, Helene is the winner. Why would he wait so long to choose between Gwen and Brooke if Brooke is the one he is in love with. He told Gwen he is in love with one of them. He has chosen Brooke last at least 3 times. Thats just not right. He chose Helene first a few times.

My friend thinks he bought Brook that star as a parting gift because he knew going in that she was going home that week. I thought it was because he likes her best. He gave her a flower when he visited her hometown, then a lei then the star. He should have let her go if she isnt the one. I agree, its cruel. He knows her enough by now to know how hard she will fall..

I knew Gwen was gone because he is too egotistical to be someones second husband. Not that thats a bad thing but I believe I am right.

Weenerlobo

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fab - that comment you made about Aaron being egotistical made me think about him at Angela's parents house. He mentioned how they were "just talking amongst themselves" and seemed a little put out by it. I thought then that he was getting accustomed to all the attention and someday he's gonna have to have a wake up call in order to get back to reality. But, then, I have always said that the Male Ego should be the 8th Wonder of the World! (Purely in jest and good fun to any guys on this board.)

I don't fault Helene for telling Aaron she might leave because of the cattiness and I don't blame her. Those women WERE catty (can we forget The Inquisition and Panty Verification after every date?) and I tend to back away from scratching females too. I'm not too ready to believe that was a manipulative comment; I believe her. But then too, like it's been mentioned around here already, it's all in the editing!

Minnyace01

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
And now, from a male point of view. I don't think that the divorce issue, in this case, made any difference at all. IMO, he had already made up his mind on Helene and was only waiting for her to confirm that she felt the same way. I agree with your friend Fabnsab, I think the star gift was going to be a kind of going away present. But, he probably started thinking that if it is a nightmare when Helene visits his parents, and it doesn't work out with her, that Brooke would be his second choice. And, by the way, not a bad second choice to have. The sparks just weren't there with Gwen.

Avrey258

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 07:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Am I sick or is anyone else excited about the show coming up on 11/13? I know it looks so Jerry Springeresque but I can't wait.

I really want to see Christie and Heather from Texas. I hope they get to grill Aaron.

BTW, off topic, has anyone else heard that Trista from The Bachelor I is going to be "The Bachelorette"? I saw her on a commercial for that Jim Belushi show. I really hoped they would find someone new. No offense to Trista but we already know her. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Hermione69

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Weenerlobo, I see your points about Helene, but on the flip side, she signed up for this and should have a certain degree of expectation that some cattiness would be involved. When you put 25 women together and have them compete for the attentions of same man, there is going to be cattiness. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about that. To report it to Aaron, to act appalled, and to insist she might leave because of it does seem to me like she was trying to appear "holier than thou." Especially when I think about her being a psychologist... she knew exactly what she was doing, I think. My sister is in the same profession as Helene. I love my sister dearly and she is one of me best friends, but she knows how to get the barbed comment in there to get what she wants. I see it with her interactions with her husband more than anyone.

Another argument, however, could be the "all's fair in love and war" adage. So what if Helene knew what she was doing? So what if she was being manipulative and trying to appear sweeter than everyone else? If she walks away with the "prize," well, then, good for her!

Hermione69

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Avrey, I am looking forward to it also so we can be sick together!!

I heard about Trista being the Bachelorette and agree 100% that it should be someone new. Her 15 minutes are over, let's move on. I never even thought she had much personality on B1. I only felt sorry for her because I thought Alex used her shamelessly to get some nookie. I certainy don't want to see her as the Bachelorette! Next, please!

(Do I sound evil????) (I'm really not! Really!)