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Realmom

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 01:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nobody is talking much about Anne-Michelle, yet she is my favorite. She seems very down to earth and nice--no affectations, no looks of despair when other girls are getting attention from Andrew, etc.

She is flywing waaaay under the radar right now--so much so that I thought she wasn't going to get a rose because she was one of the only ones they didn't show a one-on-one talk with at the gathering before the rose ceremony. Very little screen time may mean she doesn't last long, but I like her.

Andrew is more interesting than the past bachelors. He seems to actually have a personality. His upbringing is obvious--he is very polished in both speech and manners. I do wonder though if he has a bad temper. Anyone else notice that he "flares" when challenged and seems to be trying hard to keep his temper in check? I guess as long as he can keep his temper in check, all is well.

Christina - Yuck! Did she think that by kissing him he had made a commitment to her? Get a clue!
Very controlling person equals bad news.

Liz - I'm a brunette, so I like seeing a non-blond progress in this show. What's up with all the blonds in all the bachelor shows? How about more brunettes and some redheads? She is pretty emotional, but I'd keep her around for awhile because she may calm down if she gains some self-confidence. I like that she is an upfront person.

Amber - From the first time I saw her on the show, all I could think of was "little mouse." Maybe she is more attractive in person, but she just looks drab and mousey to me. I'm glad they had the one-on-one date, so he could figure out sooner rather than later that he is on a different intellectual plain than Amber. Wasn't surprised she didn't get a rose.

Kirsten - Webkitty, her speech drove me crazy, too. She talks like one of my junior high students--that middle school attitude is there, too. Andrew, when 9 other women don't like another woman, you'd better listen, honey. If it had only been a couple of jealous girls, okay--but nine!?! He may not think it matters now, but I think society is a big part of his life, and I would think he would want a wife who gets along with other women.

Jen - I like her, though they haven't shown her much. She seems very likeable.

Tina Fabulous - I don't know how I feel about her yet. I don't think she is all that pretty, and I think she thinks she is. I do love sarcastic wit, so I like her personality. She has possibilities--I'd like to see her stick around for awhile.

I was sorry to see Tina from NJ leave, but I wasn't surprised she didn't get a rose. She was genuine and funny, but certainly didn't have the blond model look this show seems to go for--definitely more of the all-American girl next door type. She'll find the right guy for her--I'm sure of it.

Fabnsab

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 01:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just watched the post ceremony interviews with the girls on abc.com/bachelor. I was pleasantly surprised. Tina said that she was ok with it not getting a rose, that he is right to follow his gut and she was classy by saying he chose well and can't go wrong with the girls he chose. Heather said she was ok too and thought he made a big mistake in letting Audree go because she is so wonderful. They were both very gracious. If these girls were as catty as they want us to believe, they'd be whining. Andrew really needs to realize that 9 girls agreeing about one means trouble.

Curious1

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ok, last week I didn't really like Tina Fabulous because I thought she was too sure of herself. This week I like her sense of humor (although I think she pushes the sarcastic tone a little to far sometimes). I think I will be flip flopping over her the entire show.

I still like Liz, she is emotional but to me that makes her real (she only really got emotional over her interactions with Amber and when the first girl left just moments before the first rose ceremony to my knowledge). I think alot of times the emotions come from stress, which I'm not sure she handles to well in this enviroment. I don't think she is like Christy from the last bachelor at all, Christy was possessive and emotional, Liz doesn't seem at all possessive. She reminds me more of Brooke. Also, she does seem young but most of the girls are, Tina fabulous is only 22!

Jen, I don't really remember her, but it seems that Andrew likes her and maybe they are holding off on showing alot of her until the end? surprise maybe?

Amber - man am I glad she is gone! that scene on the date when she was confused because Andrew said he didn't like Olive Garden and she couldn't figure out how he could like Italian food but not like the Olive Garden because it is after all an Italian restaurant was funny! Showed either a lack of brains or lack of culture to me!

Avrey258

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 03:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One more comment about Tina-fabulous. Did not like her hair at the end last night. I honestly didn't even know it was her at first. Not a good look for her.

Grannyg

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Does this repeat any night? You know sometimes they show the repeat on another night.

Kellsma

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For those asking about the jewelry and whether or not Kristen got to keep it, I can almost guarantee, NO. This is just like jeweler's do with celebs at the Oscar's. They celebs don't own those jewels, they borrow them. I thought it was pretty tacky that she cam back to the house wearing them. They should have been put away before. Remember when Charlie on the Bachelorette go to drive the fancy sport's car, same idea. He did not get to keep it. Believe me, ABC can't afford to give one girl 1/2 million in jewels :>). They just did not show her having to give it back but I am sure she did.

Realbiz

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Indeed, this show is no "joe millionaire" - giving out jewelry isn't part of the deal :)

Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 03:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a few comments -- This is the first Bachelor show I've ever watched. My question is, why does the bachelor have to be searching for a "wife?" All the "future Mrs. Firestone" talk to me seems really odd and even pathetic. I mean, finding someone you think you can have a meaningful relationship with, that's an OK and believable goal, I think, -- but finding a WIFE on a national show, after knowing her in a limited fashion for just a few weeks? I guess it's supposed to be romantic, but I find it just plain creepy.

And while I think Andrew is certainly charming, attractive and "well-bred," his repeatedly-declared earnestness when talking about "finding the future Mrs. Firestone" is not believable to me. Also, while I'm on a roll, I think he's totally lying when he tells every woman that he finds her special, attractive, and they give him butterflies. I doubt all 6-10 women really do "it" for him.

Also, Cristina creeped me out last night. Even the way she was styled at the end -- not to mention her whiny outburst -- made me and my partner say WTF?! when he chose her.

My partner and I also agree that Amber isn't quite the cats-meow. We're both surprised that they kept saying what a "perfect knockout" she is.

And Tina fabulous -- I admit, I'm impressed by the football throwing thing -- that girl can really throw -- but really, is that such a big deal??? I'm just not drawn to the whole, flaunt my body, work on my makeup and hair all day thing. Blah.

Mlt

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's amazing to me how much one show can change your impression of people. I really liked Kirsten before last night's show. And I really didn't like Tina Fabulous.

Now, I guess my main problem with Kirsten comes from what Audree said about her. It's not so much about whether or not she wants to make friends among the girls. But that's not what Audree said. She talked about how Kirsten didn't care enough to even ask questions or inquire about the lives of the other girls. Kirsten definitely has the ability to turn on the charm - but she only does that when that person can do something for her. For example, Andrew's friends. The impression I got was that she saw Andrew's friends as people who could help her get what she wanted - so she was nice to them. But her attitude to the other girls to me says that she really doesn't care about people. (Of course, all of this is based on ABC's editing so who knows what she's really like in person).

And I think her ability to care about the other girls is something Andrew does/should care about. At least, during the second episode, he talked about what his father says about his mother. 'I didn't fall in love with her because of how she is with me. I fell in love with her because of how she is with everyone.' Andrew said that is what he is looking for. Of course, whether he remembers that will depend on which part of his anatomy is doing his thinking for him <g>.

Tina on the other hand, I like a lot more after last night. I still have problems with her ego. On the other hand, I love the way she puts Andrew in his place. She doesn't suck up. And she keeps him on a string - putting the onus of winning her over on him. I think he's intriged by the challange she repressents. Watch his eyes when she tells him that she thinks he's great.

So who will win? I'm now vacilating somewhat. If he wants a two week, wild vacation in Europe, he should probably choose Kirsten. But I don't see her as long term. The choices for me are between Tina and Jen. But I still think it's Jen.

ABC has a tightrope to walk. They have to keep us from knowing the final result and yet we have to believe the result at the end. And I think Jen is the one who is being underplayed. I do reserve the right, however, to change my mind about all of the above after the next show <g>.

Alisons

Friday, April 18, 2003 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kirsten's lack of interest in the other girls in the house is not a problem for me. It could just be that she knows that she cannot be as competitive as she would like to be if she gets attached to the other girls. I know that when I was in Jr High/High School, my best friend and I had a pact that we would never date each other's romantic interests, and we never did. This is a totally strange environment where not only are you dating someone along with other women, you are also having to live with those women, and I doubt if I were in that situation I would want to be very chummy, especially as I got to like the guy more. I am way too competitive and would be putting baby oil in the front-runner's shampoo! Just kidding, I think! (smile)

Avrey258

Friday, April 18, 2003 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've been giving the situation with Kirsten some thought after reading some of the comments on the board. I was thinking about how open we are in America. Alot of us spill our guts upon first meeting someone. We tell them about our families, our relationships and feelings.

Maybe Kirsten doesn't want to put anything out there. Maybe she is aware of the camera being on and doesn't want her personal information put out there. I know this isn't the way alot of people are, but some people are more "private" about their private lives.

Did anyone watch Big Brother 1? Remember Cassandra? She always said, "I don't know these people". She certainly didn't lay her stuff on the table and people respected that. Now, if Kirsten is being rude to people that is another story. So, imagine if people started asking you personal questions that you really didn't want to answer. You would probably give one word answers too. It would seem rude to say, "I really don't want to discuss my personal life".

I am not defending her rudeness and I certainly think it is a bit odd that she does not want to make friends with everyone but it is her choice. On the flip-side we have Liz who wants to be liked and is so distraught about her friendship with Amber. Two extremes maybe?

Fruitbat

Friday, April 18, 2003 - 09:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I dont think the women not liking Kirsten has anything to do with the sharing of information. She told them an old boyfriend drove her to the airport. BIG MISTAKE! She lied to Andrew about that. Well, unless 9 women got the same mistaken information.

Anyway I believe it is her manner that is off putting.

Fruitbat

Friday, April 18, 2003 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"And I think her ability to care about the other girls is something Andrew does/should care about. At least, during the second episode, he talked about what his father says about his mother. 'I didn't fall in love with her because of how she is with me. I fell in love with her because of how she is with everyone.' Andrew said that is what he is looking for. Of course, whether he remembers that will depend on which part of his anatomy is doing his thinking for him <g>. "

Very good point Mlt.

Avrey258

Friday, April 18, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was wondering about that Fruitbat. Isn't it odd that the girls were saying that Kirsten didn't want to share any information with them, yet someone knew about her boyfriend dropping her off at the airport.

I wish they would have shown us which person Kirsten spoke to about this. She told Andrew that this did not happen, yet all the girls seemed to know about this. Why couldn't the producers show us that conversation? It would have been great T.V. to catch Kirsten in that lie, if she lied.
Maybe we'll have to wait for the reunion show and hope it is cleared up.

Sherbabe

Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 06:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Andrew needs to know there is a difference between love and lust. As always, the editing could be crucial here.

Happymom

Saturday, April 19, 2003 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just my thoughts...

I... so, like, you know... agree with Webkitty and Realmom about that way that Kirsten talks! Drives me crazy. With Andrew's high society needs, he doesn't seem like he would be able to look past this in Kirsten. Other than that, it sure seems like she is a perfect fit for him by the way the show is editted. (But it is probably editted that way for just this reason.) I still think she's the one he will pick, though. I don't think that her lack of friendship with the girls is that big of a deal. That is not why she is there. Some of the other girls really have a problem with jealousy.

Christina has got to go. I am so surprised that she is still there. She seems so needy and jealous. She seemed that way from the "vibe" conversation she had with him a couple of shows back.

I really thought Amber would be in the final 2 or 3 until I saw that uncomfortable boring one on one date of theirs. I thought, if he is going to keep her after she gets drunk twice, she'll be sticking around a long time.

Liz's facial expressions are kind of annoying. I do not see her as compatible with Andrew at all and I don't think he sees her that way either.

Tina that didn't get a rose before...Andrew seemed to only have platonic feelings for her. She didn't seem his type at all.

I think Tina Fabulous will be in the final two. I wonder if it bothers her that he calls her that. She is interesting. I have such a different impression of her after this last show. Before this last show, she seemed so fake and pageant like especially at the rose ceremony where she had a bun in her hair. She actually even looked a lot different at different times during the show. One of the other girls mentioned that she puts Andrew down a lot. I wonder if she really does or if the other gal was just jealous. From the editting, it seems he doesn't mind and it's all in fun.

Jen, she seems like she might be the one. But I only say this because of the way this show is editted. They really made it seem like Charlie was the one for Trista. We have barely seen any of her though. Same goes for Anne Michelle.

I think that Andrew does seem to have an ego, but to me it isn't any different than Trista. She made the point at least once that the guys were there for her. I just think the impression Trista made was nicer than the impression Andrew is making in the ego dept. She just came off better than he is. He does seem like a nice guy to me. It does bother me a little that he seems to use the girls somewhat to get info. instead of find out more about them. But it doesn't bother me a whole lot, I think he is very focused on finding Mrs. Firestone any way he can even if it doesn't make him look like Mr. Wonderful all the time.