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Tabbyking

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't agree; there is no 'fault' found with ruben. i also don't see all the comments about ruben's size, except where people have commented that sometimes the JUDGES would talk about the gals' weight or even josh's weight, but not ruben's. i don't see where anyone is slamming ruben at all. however, there have been many rude comments made about clay by a few ruben fans and that's not right, either.
i think they are both confident and determined. i applaud them both.
do i prefer clay's singing? yes, but that doesn't mean i wish anything bad for ruben. he is great, too. i absolutely loved 'sweet home alabama'. i am sure we will be hearing from many of the AI contestants over the years, so even if clay doesn't win the AI title, i will get to buy his music one day. if ruben doesn't win, i am sure people will get to buy his music one day.
and get real--was ruben supposed to say, "when i return home, after clay wins this thing....." . anyone would say, "when i win this thing...". well, except for tabby, who couldn't carry a tune unless it came in a gucci handbag!

Texannie

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 02:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFL!! Hobbs..I vote for that theory! ;)

Bananaclip

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if anyone posted this yet or not. On Inside Edition last night it showed Paula's new boyfriend, the one Simon mentioned on Oprah. He's 24 years old! Very cute too. Sorry, didn't catch the name. They reported Paula met him through a matchmaker business, she paid $10,000!

Tishala

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang! Maybe I can get a 24 year-old for $10K too! LOL. I hope he comes with a nanny.

Wcv63

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 03:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The media hype is prejudicial. It's not Ruben's fault but he is indeed the beneficiary of the casual viewers' preconcieved notion that Ruben SHOULD be the American Idol. It's biased and unfair. There should be equal coverage of ALL the finalists.

Ruben is talented and he certainly has fans that aren't swayed by the media coverage. These are the fans that have been watching the show and forming their opinions from what they see and hear for themselves.

To stack the finals unfairly is a disservice to the show, the contestants and the fans.

Rabbit

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I honestly don't think it will matter if the media leans one way or the other. I don't think the casual viewer votes enough to influence the outcome. I truly believe that people who will be dialing enough to count will be doing so for their own favorite (except Grooch and I who have been bought off) and couldn't give a rip what ET, Simon, Josh, Carmen or Oprah think.

On the other hand, if the media hype were to convince some people that their guy had it in the bag then they would not vote as frantically. This overconfindence by their fans cost Rickey and Charles this year and Tamyra last year and almost got Justin out early. BUT, there is a snowballs chance in Spain of that happening in the final because everyone knows how close it will be.

I think the undecideds will go with who they think wins the head to head, singing the same songs on the last show.

Demeter

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As I recall, when it came down to the last three on the Nashville Star show, the judges strongly supported all three contestants and I think, with the quality of these contestants, that's what the judges should have done here as well.

I think fans of either Ruben or Clay are justified in their preferences. I also wonder about them singing the same last song. Is that true? They each have a different style and if they do sing the same last song, I hope they find a song that matches both of their styles equally.

I also hope, if they both do good jobs, the judges give credit to both of them, rather than showing their bias.

Crazydog

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Demeter, yes, they will both sing the same two songs. The songs are original songs. As for finding a song that matches both styles, who knows. Last year, both songs were ballads obviously written for a big female voice. They said that they knew Kelly was going to win because she had led the competition from the beginning.

I'd like to see at least one power ballad and one more upbeat song.

Essence

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just saw an interview with Kim on ET (Paula did it.) She said she thinks Simon wants Ruben to win. Paula asked her if she thought it was because Ruben is more marketable. She basically said yes...he's the velvet teddy bear, he's got the 205, he's african-american, and he can sing his butt off.

Paula said, and then on the other side you have Clay...Kim said Simon doesn't know how to market Clay. I think that is a good assessment of the Simon/Clay thing. Not saying it's fair or right.

Kim will be singing on ET tomorrow's (5/16) show.

Rabbit

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 05:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't really think it is bias. They give supposed expert opinion on how well each performance went, that is their only function. We are completely free to ignore it and I am sure we all will.

Last year they all 3 said Kelly should win on the last show. But i doubt any of the judges actually dialed in a vote. Simon gave props to all 3 last night.

Maybe we should have a poll. Should the judges give their honest opinion of who they think should win after the competition Tuesday or offer no commentary?

Hootyhoot

Thursday, May 15, 2003 - 07:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There's a nice little mention of Kimberly Caldwell in the new Sports Illustrated, page 28. It says she has joined the team at Fox Sports net as a special correspondent for the extreme-sports show 54321. This week she interviews the Eco-Challenge Playboy X-Treme Team. It sounds like she's doing well.

Incidentally, Ethan from Survivor was on another EcoChallenge team.

Iscreamer1

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 06:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just rewatched the Oprah show and there was something that interested me. Oprah commented on a remark that Paula made about Ruben. The remark was "People don't want to judge you, they want to embrace you" To my ears that means that they are forgiving Rubens mistakes because he is the most popular. Could Paula have been referring to the judges lack of critisim towards Ruben? Now if you apply the comment Ryan made at the beginning of last weeks show to vote for the most talented and not for the most popular then he was in effect telling people to vote for Clay!!! What do you think about that theory?

Texannie

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 06:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have maintained all along that is exactly what Ryan was trying to say!!!!!

Djgirl5235

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 06:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I will be happy with either one winning, since we will be hearing from both of them regardless!

In anycase, Hobbs I still love you, and the flowers did the trick!

Marameko

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 06:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How old is Paula ? She has been around for a while.
A 24 year old ? Well 3 snaps and a circle.....

Ladytex

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 07:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The question of who is the most talented has not been answered except by y'all. That is a matter of opinion, so I don't think at all that Ryan was telling people to vote for Clay.

Crazydog

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Ryan was telling people to give Kimberley a chance. She was by far the seemingly least popular of the three but I thought she was the most talented. She just didn't seem to have as fanatical a following as the other two.

Paula must be around 40 by now. I was a huge fan of hers in the late 80s/early 90s. I remember her breakout year when she landed two songs, Straight Up (#1) and Cold Hearted (#4) among the top ten songs of the year. I think she was romantically linked with Arsenio Hall, John Stamos and Emilio Estevez. Kind of surprised she is single.

Hobbs

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lucky guy. If he has short-comings in the sack. She'll still praise the heck out of him! "It wasn't your best performance, but you gave it your all. Good for you!"

I'm sorry. I had to do it.

<<Hobbs slinks out of yet another thread>>

Crazydog

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She'd also say, "You took what you were given and you made it your own. It was different and I loved it. And you look great! <finger claps while sipping Diet Coke with a straw>"

Hobbs

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe we need to start the "Things Paula would say to her 24 year old boyfriend" thread! This could be good. What do you think Crazydog?

Crazydog

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 08:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yikes, I think I'd be moderated with every other comment!

Hermione69

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, we already did one about Simon and his girlfriend awhile back. It was hilarious!

"That was not good."

"You are too theatrical."

"You make strange grimaces while you perform."

"That was not your best."

"Dreary."

Djgirl5235

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 08:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROFLMAO!!! Thank you all for the Friday giggles - I need them terribly today since the cows that I work with are acting like kindergartners!!!

Thank you again!!!

Hobbs

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 08:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You're like Sarah Hughs in the olympics. You just went out there and had fun with it!

Rissa

Friday, May 16, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone else catch Kim on ET the other night? Just lucked out while flipping channels because I normally don't watch that show. Paula was interviewing her (I had no idea Paula was on that show) and Kim made a comment that she loves both Clay and Reuben but that Simon obviously wants Reuben to win because he has no idea how to market someone like Clay.

Wasn't bitter or sarcastic about it, just matter of fact and with a great deal of humour. I got the impression that it wasn't news to Paula and that it had probably been discussed quite a lot at the AI house.

What I did think though, was that it might explain Josh's seemingly bitterness towards Reuben (some of the comments he made after being voted out)..... if it's so obvious to the contestants that the *head* judge has his choice already. Especially with the guys who would feel a more direct competition than Kim.

Thoughts?

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