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Wink

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione I totally agree. Grooch to avoid confusion get on the Hermione train.

Grooch

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But Kimberly had Spunk!

Hermione69

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"You suck" and "loser" is showing spunk?

Car54

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok. I am just loving this.

I am with Seamonkey. From now on in addition to voting against hats and bad wardrobe I am voting for the biggest snot.

In case of a tie, the one with the most intrusive family member wins.

I been looking for a strategy...that one works for me perfectly.

Actually I am posting a lot about bodily functions today and I wanted an excuse to say snot is all.

Grooch

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's what Simon called it. :)

Hermione69

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Whatever makes you happy, Car, but please, please, please do not take it to the extent of Square and aubergine. Do you really want your name to be synonymous with snot?

Grooch

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL!

Car54

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure, why not...right now it is associated with boobs...snot is just another aspect of it all.

Prisonerno6

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The problem I have is with saying a person has no humility or isn't gracious based on *one* incident, particularly one that could be open to interpretation. Simon, the person to whom Kim's comments were directed, seemed to take them as a joke, so I'm willing to cut her the same break.

I saw a woman who started out making a very valid comment (that people who criticize a quality in others often feel they have the same fault themselves) to which Simon nodded. Then the other judges egged her on to be more critical with their "How would you rate Simon's personality?!" and their fist-pumping, rah-rahing, high-fiving antics. And all the while, Simon kept a smile on his face and seemed to me to be eating it all up.

Pamy

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Hermie!!

Northstar

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Simon's just a "mixer"!!

Hermione69

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Prisoner, sometimes we only have that *one* incident upon which to base our opinions and thus our votes. That's life. It ain't fair, but there ya go.

I agree she was egged on, but I hope to see her respond with more decorum the next time one of the judges has some criticism. They all know what Simon is like. They do not have to respond in kind. She is lucky that the American public did not hold it against her to the extent that she didn't get voted through. The public was pretty merciless last season to people that backtalked the judges. Remember Ejay? Remember Justin? He came darn close to getting voted off after his little episode. I was a Justin fan and it made me cringe to see him do that.

Last season Kelly and Tamyra made it to 1st and 4th place respectively and never once backtalked the judges. I don't think Nikki did either and she came under more criticism than anyone in the final four. I can't imagine any of that trio calling Simon a loser or telling him he sucked, even with Randy and Paula egging them on. I find that admirable.

I don't apologize for my impression of Kim or what I based it on. My impressions are fluid anyway. I've never been one to stick with a first impression that proves to be wrong. She may win me over during the course of the competition.

Jenhavins

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Prisonerno6, I think it is all in the way you interpret it.

I felt Kimberly had every right to rebutt to Simon's statements, and she did have a very valid, upstanding comment. She also had every right to defend herself. But then, she got tacky. Whether or not Simon took it as a joke or not isn't the issue with me. The girl is educated and should know right from wrong. You plead your case and then hold your head up high and walk away from it. You be the bigger person.

I think she got caught up in the moment and that took her actions to another level. It obviously didn't effect the outcome, but everyone is entitled to their interpretations of the event.

Jenhavins

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And one more thing. If the woman stands on stages next time and takes her punches, I will be the loudest one applauding, because I think she is an incredible talent and that whole scenario could have been the heat of the moment.

Realfan

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<I saw a woman who started out making a very valid comment (that people who criticize a quality in others often feel they have the same fault themselves) to which Simon nodded.>>

I don't think that's such a great comment. It's a back-handed insult, really. Though ITA that the other judges egged her on. Overall, I'm pretty tired of the whole "Simon Bad Guy" thing, meaning people can say anything they want about him and it's somehow considered funny, no matter how rude or disrespectful. It's different when the two judges who are equals do it (though I think Paula is too snotty too, sometimes), or when Simon needles Ryan and he jabs back, but a contestant and a judge? It just looks smart-alecky and ungracious to me.

My husband came home when I was watching this show, and just caught the end with Kimberly mouthing off. He was surprised: "Is that what this show is about, people attacking the judges?" I felt a little embarrassed, actually. I defended the show, saying not all of the contestants do that, and Simon actually likes it. But I still don't like watching it happen.

Also, I wasn't too impressed with Kimberly acting all impressed with herself for having "scored" a hit against Simon, either (jumping up and cheering at the recap). This man could be her future boss.

Guess she's desperate to prove she has personality, when if she'd kept her mouth shut, I would have been a supporter. Now, not so much.

Cjr

Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 06:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My son and I were cringing when Kimberly acted so rudely to Simon. I don't think Simon was taking it as a joke, I think he was just handling it well.

If Kimberly wins AI isn't Simon technically going to be her boss? Talk about possibly burning some bridges. I was amazed.

I felt Simon was very complimentary towards her voice but wanted more out of her as an entertainer. She went way over the line IMO.

Prisonerno6

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 06:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, while I agree it's sort of a backhanded insult, it is also a very accurate observation. From a psychological point of view, people often criticize others for having characteristics which they don't like in ourselves. It's a "safe" way of admitting one's own faults, and recognizing that is the first step in trying to better oneself.

Do I wish Kimberly had stopped at making that ocmment? Sure. I also think (hope?) she would have stopped if Paula and Randy had kept their mouths shut. But I've seen too many "group think" situations where one person (including myself) says or does things he or she would not normally do, just because that's what it seems the group wants.

So I'm not willing to condemn her for one ill-considered action. We've seen a fair amount of her throughout the auditions, and she always came across as confident, but not cocky, to me. As long as she keeps giving good performances, I'll be rooting for her.

(On the other hand, I have yet to see one example of Julia acting in a way that would make a mother proud. To me she always seems to be trying to hog the spotlight and be the center of attention, and that's why I said in another thread that she seems smarmy to me.)

Wcv63

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 07:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually I didn't find the comment valid at all and the reason is that Simon is a "Judge". As a judge his job is to "judge" the contestents. Therefore his opinions or criticisms have a different context than someone who is insecure.

As a matter of fact, at this stage of the game we are all cast in the role of judge and as such our opinions will be formed by talent, image, personality and attitude. Personally, I thought Kimberly crossed a line.

Weenerlobo

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I wasn't impressed with Kim's behavior. And am I correct in remembering her bragging about her "eloquence" and attributing it to law school? Ummmm hmmmm. So "..you suck" is pithy, sharp law school product?

I'd like to hear her sing a different song as well.

Emt911

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 12:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, the two gals on Amazing Race had gone to law school, too. I guess it doesn't automatically make you smart!
It seems Kim got rather swept up and it became a pissing contest between Simon and her. To me, the one who doesn't keep it going, is the bigger person. Restraint sometimes being the better part of valor, and all that. At first, it seemed to be 'light banter' and then Kim went overboard. IMHO

Seamonkey

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jeez, she made some people angry.. you'd think she was on a porn site! Oh.. wait.. that might bring 30,000 on a petition to save her.. LOL

Clearly it didn't hurt her with the voters and the next time she's on she starts out again.. undoubtedly with a new song..

Hermione69

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I can't really speak for anybody but myself, but I don't think she made people ANGRY. That is a strong word. I just wasn't impressed, that's all. I would have been more impressed had she found a way to handle it with humor without resorting to insults. What's that called? Oh yes, "grace under fire."

Hermione69

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW, I can't wait to hear her with a new song, because she sure can sing, I'll give her that 100%!

Seamonkey

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK.. pick another word but an awful lot of space has been dedicated to the 3 minutes of so of that episode.

Hermione69

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
There is nothing else to talk about! LOL! Seriously, stuff like this is more interesting to debate. Same with the Julia/Kim situation last week. If we only posted glowing, beautiful praise, and we all agreed, we'd all get bored.

Hermione69

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 02:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And in all honesty, it is probably compounded by how many of us really wanted to see Clay make it.

Webkitty

Friday, February 14, 2003 - 03:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Hermione. (about Kimberly) And, I also wanted to see Clay go through.