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Grooch | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:01 am     One thing to remember. Simon said that what he hears at the live show is totally different from when he sees a tape of the show later that evening. |
Stcmom | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:02 am     Pantagaes...No I didn't mean that Barry white and Luther were not superstars because they are but if Ruben wants to be in their league he shouldn't fall into "sang just like..." category. He should have his own sound. If you hear Luther or Barry you know who it is right away...Ruben should sound like Ruben and so far I still don't know what that sound really is... |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:13 am     Grooch, thanks for reminding me of that. His influence seems to be huge with viewers, too bad this is not mentioned before the vote. |
Stcmom | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:17 am     Webkitty, I agree that Simon should give criticism when it is warranted and he need not sugar coat it. Yes Clay's performance was not his best last night and Simon should say something about it but what bothered me about his comments was that he was so vague about what was terrible. Last week he said the song was similar...that was valid; in motown week, his motown musical comment gave Clay something to work with. This is how he usually gives his comments that is why I respect what he says, but last night his comment to Clay was so vague that he simply sounded like he was having a hissy fit. Furthermore, he is constantly praising Ruben when his performance was also not his best. This makes me really question his motivation...what is his agenda? |
Grooch | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:32 am     Stcmom, my opinion at the time of the show of why Simon wasn't so detailed in his critisicsm is because he would just be repeating himself. If Clay watches a tape of the show, he will know exactly why Simon wasn't thrilled. Clay's performance sounded exactly the same again this week, even though it was disco. And Clay still sounds gives his songs a broadway sounding twist to it. jmo |
Realfan | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 10:33 am     Wcv, muse, you are in my head. ITA on all your comments. <<IMO, Simon is trying to manipulate the competition with his comments regardless of the performances given by the contestants. His criticism of Clay was that his song didn't fit the genre...horrible for the genre. Hmmmm...Barry White isn't Disco but Simon has picked out his "commercial" favorites and is promoting them via his comments.>> No kidding!! Why are we even bothering with this competition? Simon has already decided who should win. Why don't we all save ourselves the trouble and just give it to him, then? Simon should NOT have said that about Ruben, IMO. It’s up to us to decide. << Clay I thought did extraordinary as did Ruben. Clay was not "whining" at the end. He was asked and acted as sort of a group spokesperson by saying that while they respect Simon's opinion they were confused. Being confused by Simon's comments is not unique to the contestants....the fans are also confused at times.>> ITA. I got no sense of whining. In fact I think he was very diplomatic. When Kim C. said she would keep her opinion to herself, however, I immediately interpreted that as her disliking the judges’ comments, and THAT came across whiny to me. She wouldn’t keep it to herself otherwise. << I am fulling expecting tomorrow night will be different. I expect they will announce the bottom three and the loser but keep everyone.>> God, I hope not. This thing has to get moving. What a drag to put in another full week and not see the herd trimmed a little. << I don't think Ruben did that great tonight (worst performance of his so far, IMO - not that it was so bad, but it was boring), but he received his highest praise from Simon.>> ITA, Muse. I thought it was his worst so far, too. I was surprised at Simon’s comments. But then, while I enjoy his honesty, I don’t always get where he’s coming from. And Paula, shut up and let the other judges TALK! |
Rissa | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 11:04 am     Will add my two cents as well since ya all keep begging me too. Kim L. When she started the song, I just cringed... she is my fave of the women but was just dying. As soon as she got it going though, she just rocked it. As far as her clothing? I agree with the comments that it wasn't the best outfit but I think she is losing quite a bit of weight and showing it off. Clay - my boy {sigh} Best voice in show, now would someone show the child how to move his legs!!!!!! He added the teeniest bit of oomph or style and this would be a cakewalk for him. As it it, he's at risk of being booted over someone less talented but more entertaining. Reuben - Deep-6 the dang shirts!! I kept thinking how awesome he would have looked with a black suit (the kind where the jacket goes just above the knees - I suck at style names), black shirt, black tie and that Barry White-ish voice with that sexy song. Oh man. LOLOL I DID finally get hubby to agree with me about Carmen ...this is not the 'AMERICAN-with-some-natural-talent-who-could-use-some-professional-training-to-become-a-great-singer-and-perhaps-even-an-IDOL' competition. I like her, but maybe a year of training and then return next year? I laughed when Simon told her she wasn't the best singer but the most commercial and she THANKED HIM!!! LOL I saw that as more insult then compliment, JMO. PS Simon is probably thinking that he has to freakin' take it all night and smile, but everyone else gets their knickers in a knot when HE opens his mouth. LOL On the other hand, I am starting to see some real bias coming from Simon that upsets me more than Paula's happy-happy-joy-joy routine. He makes it clear that he does NOT want Kim L or Clay to win. He can't honestly say that their singing was bad, so he either ho-hums them off the stage or doesn't address them at all but says something off tangent..... this whole night is leaving me flat, every one tonight has sounded like karaoke, etc. Carmen whose singing he DIDN'T like last night, got an upbeat attitude and the remark about being commercial. |
Realfan | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 11:05 am     <<yep, to me, clay sounds exactly the same: hot, wonderful, right on and impressive! other than that, i don't think his song choices are exactly the same! i loved that last note last night! wow!he can bore me anytime!>> That pretty much sums up how I feel, too. 99% of the time we will be HEARING these people, not watching them, so I judge based on whose voice I would enjoy listening to an a CD, not on how jiggy they get on stage (last night I worked on a jigsaw puzzle during the show, and Clay-as usual--made me look up). Granted, true superstars must give excellent concert performances, but I'm the listening audience, not the watching audience (haven't been to a concert in ages, though I've been to Broadway shows). I like Ruben's voice, too, and Kim L.'s. But Clay's voice gets me where I live. He could sing the contents of a cereal box and I'd enjoy the sound. Speaking of Kim L., I like her best of the girls, but she really struggled in that low register, didn't she. It hurt! |
Hotlantan | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 12:41 pm     IMO what Kim Locke was trying to do with the two registers was to emulate the contrasting sound of both of the Weather Girls. Kim sang most of it in perfect pitch in Martha Wash's alto, but couldn't quite recreate the deep Izora Rhodes contralto that starts off the song. She would have avoided 90% of the subsequent criticisms by taking the easy route and just singing the entire song as if it were a solo. She should be praised for taking such risks with an incredibly difficult song. Best performance of the night for me! |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 01:24 pm     I am definitely not a musician, but the measure I have been using has been..would I spend money to buy this person's CD...or go to a concert. I might (very tentative) go to see Ruben- he needs to give a bit more attention to showmanship..he has the voice and the personality, same with Kim L if she keeps improving. I would go to see Clay or Kim C or Carmen in a revue or Broadway show where they were part of a cast or group, but not as solo performers. I just like Rickey as a human being, he is nice to listen to but no way gonna get my money or time. Josh was just wrong last night. Felt sorry for him. That's about it. The others are nice, but I would not be motivated to pay money to hear them. Oh, I forgot Trenyce. Nope, put her with Rickey. I would love them to sing at my church or something, but not in a professional venue. |
Realmom | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 01:34 pm     Well, DJgirl pretty much stated all my thoughts, so I only need to add a few. (Thanks, DJgirl! We are definitely on the same wavelength.) Ricky -- I've just always thought he was a bit "odd," though he seems like a nice enough guy. I don't think he has much of a fan base. His voice is sometimes okay, but rather inconsistent. I'm guessing he might go tonight or will at least be in the bottom 3. Carmen -- I, too, thought this was the best I've heard her sing. The hair extensions were a good look for her. She just turned 18 (to whomever said she was only 17). I can tell you that all of my daughter's high school male friends are IN LOVE with Carmen, so Simon's comment about her marketability is accurate. I mean, the guys don't really care how she sings; they just think she is hot. Clay -- I think Clay has a beautiful voice, but he needs to sing something a bit different to show his versatility. I agree that he needs to move more on stage (I actually cringed when he sat down to sing last week), but maybe he knows best. I mean, maybe he doesn't move well, and that would be worse than not moving at all. I didn't find anything offensive in his comments at the end. Ruben -- If I remember correctly after reading all the profiles, Ruben is the only finalist with real voice training. I don't count singing in high school choir as voice training. I think his training shows. I don't know that he has been able to give his own personal mark to each of his songs every week, but he has sung them all well. My favorite is still "Sweet Home Alabama" just because he looked like he was having such a good time. He would look awkward dancing around, so he doesn't. Okay, Ruben, we get that you are "representing" 205, but you've done it, so move on to some different clothes. Rather than becoming a signature for you, it just comes across to me that you don't want to take the time to find different attire. Should we expect that you would have a career wearing only 205 shirts? Hope not! Still love your voice, though. Trenyce -- No real reason, but she just doesn't do it for me. Kimberly C. -- I don't care for her voice, but she does have wonderful stage presence. I thought Paula's comments to her were right on the money. Joshua -- DJgirl, all I can say is YES, YES, YES to your comments. This was exactly my thoughts when the judges and Josh started using illness as an excuse. I am also a singer and so is one of my teens. Having a cold does not make you sound the way Josh sounded last night. It doesn't affect pitch. I could have understood perhaps if his voice had cracked once or twice while otherwise sound, but singers know how to sing around a cold. My 15 yo just won 2nd place in a 3-county music competition, singing with a head cold, sore throat and plugged up ear (the ear is the worst of these symptoms for a singer). Good voice training helps singers sing when they are ill. IMHO, Josh was the worst last night and should be the one to go, but I don't think he will. The Marine image is really helping him. Kimberly L. -- That was a hard song with a wide range--the lower register was difficult for her. I'm liking her better every week, though. I agree that Simon tries to manipulate voting because I think he believes that "as goes Simon, so goes the vote." He needs to be more specific in his critiques rather just saying "dreadful" or "great." I'm a big Billy Joel fan, so I'm looking forward to next week. My daughter plays all of Billy Joel on the piano, so she is going to be so excited when I tell her. If you follow Billy Joel's music, you know that it is influenced by rock 'n roll, gospel, blues, and jazz. That means that all of them should be able to find a song that fits each perfectly. I'd love to hear Clay or Ruben sing "Lullaby" with all the emotion that song requires. |
Walker | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 02:15 pm     wcv63..you are so right by saying that simon is trying to manipulate this competition with his comments..you hit the nail on the head. |
Walker | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 03:55 pm     i think some of you were really harsh in your comments about verdeen white..he has his own look and maybe its a little out of date but maybe he's comfortable with it..i personally didnt think he looked all that bad..anyway i thought that he was a really good guest judge, he seemed really comfortable there lastnight and i really enjoyed him. |
Texannie | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 03:58 pm     I love Verdeen White!! He fit his image perfectly! I have already told my husband that I want EW&F to play at my 50th birthday!! (which unfortunately isn't all that far off, but just enough for him to start saving his pennies! LOL) |
Walker | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 04:03 pm     LOL texannie..good luck making that happen on your birthday. |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 04:15 pm     I thought he was the best judge they have had. He had detailed specific feedback, he was very helpful and positive. I liked him a lot. My other fave was Gladys Knight. Olivia was worthless. |
Texannie | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 04:17 pm     I actually looked into them for my 40th but they were booked...I WILL MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!! LOL I agree Car, I thought he gave so much worthwhile feedback, as did Gladys. Wonder how Billy Joel will do. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 05:00 pm     I didn't like Verdeen much. He couldn't articulate well, I found myself saying....huh? His style is over the top pimp! Gladys was fabulous and I agree Olivia, useless. I don't think Billy Joel is going to be there live. They have some video taped segments. I thought I heard that anyway. |
Beachcomber88 | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 05:08 pm     Verdeen did have some good comments, but I couldn't get past the fact that he looks like one of those Klingon dudes from Star Trek. Billy won't be in studio? Let's hope that's not true! |
Pantageas | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 07:18 pm     Fair enough, Stcmom! |
Fruitbat | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 03:48 am     ROLF! Beach. |
Djgirl5235 | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 06:00 am     Realmom - well, I have figured out why we have such compatible views - I am a trained singer, and have been performing for 23 years. I am a certified vocal coach, and completely agree with everything you had to say - congrats to your daughter on her competition! |
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