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Brenda1966

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Denecee, I saw what you saw too. I'm not good at describing it, but Corey seems very uncomfortable when he's not on stage or singing. He's a ham when he's performing. Last night should have been fun and stress-free for him, but he looked like he was in pain. I don't like him either.

Looking at the 12 finalists, I think we're going to have a male winner. The women don't seem that great to me.

Seamonkey

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is a new game now.. when the already chosen came on stage, it was like "who's THAT?"..

I like Clay, Vanessa, Kimberly Locke, Joshua (the marine) and need to hear Ruben again too.

As of now, I'd say Clay is the favorite, his voice is amazing, he's very sweet but not lacking in confidence and.. I'm sure they'd like a guy this year.

I've seen Joshua and Corey together on several of the ET like shows and Corey comes across as a smarta$$, like he's pretty far back to that original attitude that got him in such trouble. He was giving Joshua grief for his song style, for being married, etc... like he can't deal with someone who is already in a solid place in life.

By the way, on one of those shows the producers announced that if Josh is shipped out to the Persian Gulf, they will "hold" his place, by putting him in at whatever level he attains before shipout, on the NEXT AI season.. I think that allows them to judge him without worry about that factor.

Whoami

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Some people are talking about Carmen's "trill," which I actually don't remember.....

Anyway, most of the women, and some of the men do a thing that really kind of annoys me. I don't know if I can describe it....It's a kind of "squeak" at the back of the throat, usually just after taking a breath. It happens most often on the "h" sound. It kind of reminds me of how an adolecent boy's voice will momentarily crack while he's talking when his voice is in the process of changing.

Has anyone else noticed this? Or have I done a terrible job of describing it?

Conejo

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who, I think I know what your talking about and most of them do it with the exception of Clay (I haven't noticed him doing it). Let's ask Grace what she thinks - if she ever logs on!

Brenda1966

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey, you may be onto something... Corey may not be uncomfortable, but is more bored when he's not the center of attention. I'm sure following instructions and standing where you're told when you're told to is "beneath" him. I hope his arrogance gets the best of him and he's booted early. I don't want him as the Idol.

I hope it's true about the marine. I think that's a fair way to handle it.

I like Clay, Vanessa and Ruben. I'm anxious to hear Charles again because I picked him to move on but I don't remember much about him.

Alisons

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The only thing that bugs me about Clay is that he doesn't sing his vowels correctly. When you have something that ends with an "ee" sound, you are supposed to sing it on an "eh" and only really put the "ee" sound on the end. When he sings, "don't let the sun go down on me," he sings it like "m'yeeeeeeeeee". Argh! It makes me think that he has never had a good voice coach.

Wcv63

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Djgirl regarding the final 3...I think Kimberly Locke's "attitude", unless it changes, may lose her a number fans.

I really like Vanessa and Clay. Trenyce was infinitely better last night and may creep higher up on my list of personal preferences in the near future.

Kizz

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 02:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Carmen reminds me of Snow White in the Disney movie when she sang "I'm Wishing"...she sounds like a little lamb to me. And as far as Corey goes, I'm thinking he had a hangover.

Pantageas

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alisons - I hear it too!! I've been telling my wife for weeks now that Clay has a great voice, but his enunciation makes everything sound like he's doing a H.S. drama club musical!!

Webkitty

Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think that's fair regarding Joshua the Marine, too.

I don't like the 'tudes on many of them this year.
I think part of the appeal of Clay is that he has a great attitude to go along with his incredible voice.

I think Vanessa has a great voice, but there is something about her that bugs me. She has a goofy quality about her. When she came out on stage last night, she sort of lumbered out swinging her arms. I've seen comdians do that when they are walking to the mike. Also, I understand she wants a unique look, but she overdoes it. I thought she looked like a clown last night, with that cupie doll red hairdo, and that feather boa on. She can sing, but I sense no humbleness in her like I do with Clay. Same for Kimbery Locke (the one who wears glasses)
(same for Julia Demotta)

I think Carmen is a sweetie, too bad she doesn't have the voice to match. It would be exciting to have her and Clay go neck and neck with this. Clay and Carmen have that same type of humble, sweet personality, they would make a cute and exciting final two if she could only sing a little better.

I said this before, last night I think, but I like Clay because he is willing to take direction as far as his "look" goes. (along with his voice)
I sense stubborness from a lot of them this year.
There is a fine line between being self-assured, and being hard headed.
There is more to this competition than just a voice, imo. Its the overall package, poise, looks, non-diva attitude, willing to take direction and yes, sometimes critisizm. Something that a lot of them don't have.

Walker

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 03:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
alisons..i have reviewed my tapes and i cant find a problem with the way clay sings atall..his voice is absolutely flawless..this man can sing a song better than the artist who recorded it..i just cant seem to find the problem..just my opinion.

Prisonerno6

Friday, March 07, 2003 - 11:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alisons, I'm with you. I hear it on the vowels, but I realized what it was when I heard a very pronounced "t" at the end of a word. It doesn't make him bad, it's just a little quirk that jolts me once in a while.

Seamonkey

Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 12:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really like Clay, and he's a sweetheart, but confident too. But I don't require that they be cookie-cutter personalities and I see nothing amiss with being confident in other ways.. Vanessa, Kimberly, Ruben, Joshua.. all have great potential and I look forward to having them show their stuff as the weeks go on.

Hummingbird

Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 05:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't find anything wrong with Clay's singing. There is much more to nit-pick on the others.
Clay makes them all look like amateurs.

Walker

Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
it always annoys me when someone is really good at something or very attractive..some people seem to look really really hard to try to find something wrong with them..just something that always bugs me.

Monkeyboy

Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ITA, Seamonkey, Hummingbird and walker

Prisonerno6

Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't have to look all that hard to find something I didn't care for in Clay's singing style. Apparently, neither did a lot of people. He is very, very good, but he does have an odd enunciation/pronunciation that I noticed from the very beginning and that I find a little off-putting. *shrug* After all, no one is perfect.

(And frankly, it looks like Nashville Star has a much better crop of talent than Americal Idol -- even without being anything near a country fan, there wasn't a single singer in that bunch I wouldn't want to hear again. Can't say the same for the AI finalists.)

Muse

Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know what Prisonerno6 and Alisons are talking about, but I actually like Clay's enunciation. I appreciate hearing a song and actually knowing what the person's saying. The way he pronounces things seems to be his non-fans main complaint (they say it's "too Broadway"), however. I guess it depends on your taste. For me personally - I agree Clay would be great on Broadway, but I'd also really enjoy buying a CD of his music and/or going to a Clay concert. :) And from downloading his mp3s and listening to him sing on AI, I think he can do more than just Broadway...after all, he did great with Elton John, can obviously handle country, Christian music, etc.

As for Nashville Star - I dunno. I like country, but in limited doses. One of the things I like about AI2 is that the contestants seem to have different styles (some can handle rock, others go for country, others are more pop-orientated, etc) and abilities. After all, part of the fun is having people like Corey to root against (uh, apologies to Corey fans ) while fully enjoying and appreciating other performances.

Walker

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
you know i sometimes forget that no one can be all things to all people..i happen to think that clay is terrific and one of the best singers that i have ever heard and certainly the best singer on the show..i have never heard any of the judges say anything negative about his singing style..they love his voice..they have only made comments concerning his image..which simon did say is improving all the time..and i agree..i love clay and i think he can win this competition..and i for one am hoping that he does.

Car54

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe there should be a thread for his fans. Seems like a lot of people like him.

It would be nice if we could all post whatever we think good or bad about the competition and ALL the singers when we discuss the show. It seems kind of early to have locked in on just one person and to only be able to discuss him/her.

Hope we can.:)

Seamonkey

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 04:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hope so too, Car! I like Clay very much; what I was trying to say above is that each of these singers is unique and I want to hear them all again and that I like some other besides Clay. Also that liking one of them doesn't mean I want them all to have same characteristics.

Car54

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 04:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Very well put Seamonkey. I am having a bit of an experience like I had with Big Brother last year...I liked one player that virtually no one else liked, ...it would be nice to be able to discuss everyone. I like Clay too, btw, but I like several others as well.

Seamonkey

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh that ALWAYS happens to me on BB.. I loved Brittany, and Nicole and Amy.

Here my heart is with Vanessa, but much depends on how they all sing this week and forward.

Car54

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can top that. I loved Marcellus.

I like Vanessa a lot. See if you can get her to work on the fashion thing...those snow pants from last week really upset me.

Hermione69

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 05:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved Vecepia. Although Sean was my favorite, she was next. I have yet to meet another Vecepia fan on the board, although I am sure there are some, LOL.

I like Vanessa, too, but Clay is front runner by a couple of laps for me.

Walker

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 06:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i think that kimberly caldwell is the total package..shes great looking has terrific stage presence and she has a pretty good strong voice..i like her almost as much as i like clay.

Mak1

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 07:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay is my favorite so far, but I am looking forward to seeing all the contestants throughout the competition ahead. I really want to hear each person trying different types of songs. I didn't watch AI last year, but assume that most performers give even better performances as they move through the weeks ahead. Vanessa reminds me of Cindi Lauper a little, and I mean that as a compliment.

Seamonkey

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 07:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I love Cyndi Lauper ..

And Car, I also loved Marcellas!!

Wcv63

Monday, March 10, 2003 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked Marcellas until he started being a brat. I have scolded my young children for acting that way.

Vanessa's look doesn't bother me in the slightest. I really like her voice and her personality is adorable.

Last year by this time I was firmly entrenched in a voting ritual. One that kept me a slave to AI. Although I like several of the contestants' this year none have moved me to manacle myself to a telephone. Yet.

Car54

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 04:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yay! <Raising hand> I solemnly swear to cheer for the people I like, boo people I don't, be kind to those people's fans, and lobby relentlessly for my No Hats rule.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 05:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am right behind you Car.

Vanessa is snagging my heart at the moment. Her voice is possibly the best right next to Kimberly Locke.

Charles and Clay stand out for the men.

Rubens voice is terrific but his image does not ring any bells for me and that is definately part of the deal. It is fine to be big but he looks so uncomfortable with his weight, unlike Frenchy.

I am looking forward to a stylist getting ahold of Trenyce. She should change her name though.

I would love to see Carmen blow everyone out of the water.

The marine.......nope...............just nope. The military vibe just does not do it for me. Idol? Don't see it.

Kady

Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was a diehard Kelly fan last year. My finger would be sore from hitting the redial button for the allotted voting time. I am partial to Clay this year although I am keeping an open mind. I may spread my votes out over the first few weeks till I settle on my absolute favorite.