Archive through April 23, 2003
TV ClubHouse: Archive: American Idol (FOX):
Tonight's Show 4/22/03:
Archive through April 23, 2003
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 06:44 am     Look up "cheese" in the dictionary and you'll find a picture of Ms. Warren. I know she's an accomplished songwriter but her name is so synonymous with cheesy schmaltz she's almost become a joke. I guess she didn't want people to think even less of her. Joshua needs to go. Simply painful. Kim Locke rocks. As much as I like Ruben I think I am beginning to like her better. She has been consistent and during the last two weeks she was stunning. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 06:54 am     Re Clay being labelled Broadway. I agree. I've said before that I think he sings like he's performing on Broadway, he belts everything out and then builds everything up to that one sustained note. I would compare him to Josh Groban. I'm sure he'll be successful, but Simon said he is looking for a pop idol, not just a singer. Simon wants the whole package and Clay brings only the voice, not the performance. On the same note, Joshua is also wrong for this competition. Could do well for a country label but Simon is not looking for a country performer. When the judges choose the songs, I really hope they will choose songs that challenge the singers, and not just ones that "fit" their voice. I hope they choose something fast and upbeat for Clay so he can show everyone that he's not just a boring balladeer. I'd like to see a different kind of song for Ruben as well. Kimberly Locke seems to me to be the most versatile. I think she could sing anything the judges throw at her. I think she is the best all-around performer. |
Conejo | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:14 am     Josh - This guy needs to go! I had to turn my head from the TV last night several times and shut my eyes. Painful. Carmen - She seems like such a great person and handles criticism very well, but, she needs to go. Trenyce - I didn't much care for her performance last night, but, I still think she is far better than Josh and Carmen. Ruben - Was very good but he just doesn't "do it" for me. Clay - I think Simon hit the nail on the head! I think that Clay has a wonderful voice and I'd love to here him sing another Elton John number. Kim - I thought that she was outstanding last night! I finally got some goosebumps! BTW, I hadn't heard of half the songs they sang last night - so maybe that contributed to my overall take on the performances last night. I also don't think that Ms. Warren contributed very much last night. |
Fluff | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:34 am     Is there anywhere online where I can listen to previous performances? |
Pantageas | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:36 am     For those wanting the names of 'Broadway'-styled singers, I'll name two: Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman. AWESOME voices, awesome performances, awesome cast albums, critical acclaim,Tonys, etc. They each put out "popular" albums too. Nobody bought them. The fact that folks don't even know them for what they are REKNOWNED for says a lot...! P.S. - I first used the Michael Crawford comparison weeks ago. Tonight Simon makes a 'Phantom of the Opera' comment. Again, I get to turn to my wife and go "See?! See?!". All being said and done, there is a BIG talent gap in the finalists between Clay, Ruben, and Kim L. and the rest (sorry Professor and Mary Ann!) - but then again, there always was. The questions were always: 1)in what order were the rest of them going to go, and 2)would there be any 'Tamyra/Nikki'-styled upsets. If anyone could pull it off by having their fanbase energized, it'd be Carmen....because she is the 'Debbil'! |
Midlifer | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:37 am     ok....<standing in the corner, covering my head> Don't be upset with me, but I didn't think that Ruben was that great tonight (normally, he is in my top 2 favs), and I think that Clay outshined him. Kimberly, very enjoyable. Carmen, Josh, Trenyce...bottom 3. Carmen...out. |
Rissa | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:46 am     Hermione, you asked why some of us (includes me) keep commenting on Clay's not moving but not re: Reuben? For me it's not just the *moving*. Reuben's personality comes out with his facial expressions and just general energy. Clay finds the centre of the stage.. locks his body into it's pose, looks at the ceiling, grimaces and begins to sing. From that point on, the only thing that moves is his mouth, except to increase the degree of grimace. Oh, once in awhile he raises his hand and points at the ceiling as well. Don't get me wrong, I have said before that I think he has the best voice in show, followed by Kim, followed by Reuben... but it's like being at an Anne Murray concert. (sorry Anne fans. LOL) He needs to project a little energy at the audience or he will lose them to the more charismatic Kim and Reuben. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:50 am     as for performing and wanting the american idol to have more than just the voice, i thought kelly clarkson looked awful when she guested on the show! she has put on weight and the outfit tied up the back made her look like a ham, i didn't like the hair, and she had on too much make-up. just my opinion, but in my house, it counts! a little.... and by ham, i mean the meat, not the cute little camera bug. right now, i don't have any desire to even buy kelly's cd, which most people have been giving raves....so as far as hearing just the voice, i would prefer that for kelly! she was so cute last year; but they marketed her too much. this little piggy went to market...tabby runs like hell and stubs big toe on the way. give me the kelly i saw win last year!! clay could stand like a stone, as long as he is singing. i don't care for frantic movement, i just care about his voice. ruben also just sways when he sings, he doesn't get all jiggy with it. trenyce only moves her fingers...she learned the quick finger business in the clothing shop where she worked..... |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:50 am     I must be the only one that thinks Trenyce is going tonight. I really think that Carmen is going to be saved again with sympathy and Kim C votes. I also don't even see Josh in the bottom 3 as much as he should be there. I love Kim Locke, she was my new favorite 2 weeks ago but I see her in the bottom 3 from now until the end. I hope I am wrong. I do think that after tonight she is going to pick up everyone's votes that gets kicked off . She is going to get higher and higher each week in the polls. I can see her winning this. She is going to the final 2. I think she will win against Clay but not against Rueben. |
Grooch | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:54 am     LL, I'm thinking Trenyce is most likely going tonight also, even though I believe Josh and Carmen should go before her. But they have the fan base. I actually Trenyce and I would love to see her continue to see her continuing to grow. She gets better every week, imo. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 07:56 am     Kelly's CD supposedly is going to debut at #1 this week. It sold something like 300,000 or so copies, which is respectable. I agree with you Pantageas re Clay. I have a few Sarah Brightman CDs, she is praised by her fans but not well known by the general public. I also agree with you re the talent gap. If Joshua lasts longer than Kim Locke I will be pissed. I think Joshua is this year's Nikki. He is not all that and a bag of chips. He needs to go this week, but he probably won't even be in the bottom three. I also agree with you Grooch, I like Trenyce. I think she has a lot of presence and keeps getting better. She sounded awesome doing Celine's "The Power of Love". My current ranking: Kim Ruben Clay Trenyce Carmen Joshua |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:00 am     I am not a fan of hers but she is a lot better than Josh and Carmen. I don't think any of them are that bad if they stick to the stuff they can do, and 6th out of 70,000 is a lot better than 99.9% of us could do. Anyway, it is nice not to be alone in my opinion, good to have company if we are wrong tonight and even better to share bragging rights if we are right.lol |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:07 am     Crazydog, I love your #1 choice. Mine are in two categories: The front runners: 1. Kim 2. Clay 3. Rueben They change frequently and are very close. The also rans: 1. Carmen 2. Josh 3. Trenyce I think they all do a good job if they stick to their strengths. Not much differance here today so I put them in this order because of who I think has more marketability. If I was being completely honest Trenyce shouldn't be on the bottom but I just don't like to watch her and she comes across so phoney to me. sorry. |
Grooch | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:11 am     Michael Ball is another great broadway singer. |
Mak1 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:11 am     Lol @ Tabby's last comment. Fluff, I downloaded some of the past performances from both seasons at Winmx.com. |
Grooch | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:11 am     LL, I see Treynce as being more shy and reserved than phoney. But I understand why people would take it as being phoney. |
Abbynormal | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:15 am     Tabby, the ham thing made me snort my ice cube! |
Realfan | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:16 am     Thanks for the names of "Broadway-style" performers. If that's what Clay is, I LOVE it! I get annoyed by successful pop singers who really sing only so-so, but are "manufactured" into sounding decent by the dubbing, effects, and other tricks they pull in the recording studio (Avril Lavigne being a current one of these.) Clay is a SINGER. That's why I listen to songs, to hear them sung. I don't care that he doesn't move around. Neither does Reuben, but no one seems to notice. I don't want him to be turned into someone he's not (Kelly sure has undergone a transformation, and not necessarily for the better, IMO). I like him being real, and nice, and having that wonderful voice. << i thought kelly clarkson looked awful when she guested on the show! she has put on weight and the outfit tied up the back made her look like a ham, i didn't like the hair, and she had on too much make-up. just my opinion, but in my house, it counts! a little.... and by ham, i mean the meat, not the cute little camera bug. right now, i don't have any desire to even buy kelly's cd, which most people have been giving raves....so as far as hearing just the voice, i would prefer that for kelly! she was so cute last year; but they marketed her too much.>> What she said. EXACTLY. I liked Kelly being real and sweet. Now she looks like a hooker who can't afford clothes that fit. Aren't singers supposed to put emotion into their songs, and don't most ballads build to a climax? At least the songs and recorders I like do that. Of course, I'm in the "getting older" crowd. I like to be able to understand the words, and I like a clear voice. Clay could sing the songs of John Denver, Elton John, Phil Collins, Michael Bolton, etc., and they would sound great. I would buy his CD the day it came out. (BTW, "Calypso" was sung by John Denver, if you mean the paeon to Jacques Cousteau. Roger Whitaker sang about that other boat, the "Edmund Fitzgerald". As you can see by my knowledge of these facts, I enjoy ballads!). <<Ruben (sorry to say) always sounds the same to me...I can't imagine listening to a whole album of his songs.>> I feel that way, too. I can only remember one song he's sung, "Sweet Home Alabama," because it was more upbeat and he's from Alabama. The rest is mush in my mind. Not that he's not good; it's probably just me. I was glad that Simon put Clay up there with Ruben. I worry he just doesn't want to work with him because he's not pretty enough--but then, is Ruben? Funny that of the top three, neither one has the typical idol look (Kim, Ruben, Clay), but that's GOOD, IMO. I missed Kim, unfortunately. Trenyce was pretty good, I thought Carmen was the best I've seen her, but I loved that Randy and Simon were tough on her, because they were being honest. I think Randy is getting crabbier or more honest as this thing goes on. Carmen has great poise--Simon seemed to like her comment that she felt she still had a chance to win. I think he respects spirit. He also loved Josh's comeback for the same reason. That really tickled him. Which really showed what's missing with Trenyce. She has no personality. (Whoopee, she likes to talk on the phone to her friends. THAT'S her hobby/interest?). |
Rissa | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:17 am     Maria Friedman blows me away with every note. Llkoolaid, you said it. We can pick at the remaining 6 as to which order they should be in, but they made it this far which is a huge hairy deal. |
Walker | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:01 am     I am so tired of clay being critisisms. i think what it boils down to is that people don't have any respect for good talent anymore..and that to me is SAD..unless you're jumping around on stage half naked and no one can understand a word you're saying you're not cool or "not what were looking for" i think it's pretty pathetic that REALLY TALENTED people don't stand a chance anymore. |
Readonly | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:06 am     Walker, I couldn't agree with you more. |
Jeep | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:09 am     I really liked Clay last night, too. However, in the back of my mind I keep thinking that he would be better off NOT winning this thing. Do we really want Simon to try and mold him into what he wants instead of letting Clay be himself? I didn't watch last year, but I've read lots of comments about how Kelly has changed and not necessarily for the better. Even if Clay doesn't win, he will have many opportunities and I'm sure we'll hear of him again. Hopefully as his own great sounding self! I also think Trenyce will be going tonight for many of the same reasons as Llkoolaid. Carmen and Josh were awful this time, but they both have a pretty big fan base. |
Grooch | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:10 am     I don't remember any of the judges saying that there was no way that he could win and that he shouldn't even be on the stage, like Carmen was told. I took Simon's critisism as constructive. Clay sang another ballad this week, Simon can't complain about that again because the guest judge is his friend and that's what she writes are ballads. So he basically told both Ruben and Clay not to rest on their laurels, that Kim L is going to be some stiff competition for them and you better keep working at it. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:13 am     <never mind, it's not worth it> |
Walker | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:22 am     crazydog..you are right it was'nt worth it. |
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