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Seamonkey

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 09:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I did watch and it helped a tiny bit that the audience there was clearly surprised when Vanessa was in bottom three and then openly booed when she was out instead of Julia. Then hearing her sing, clearly she wasn't the least of this bunch.

Prisoner.. scroll up and I put in the AOL poll as of this afternoon and on up there are the TVGuide results. I know for AOL you can only vote once.

Vanessa was fifth from the bottom on the AOL poll and I think 6th or 7th from bottom on the other.

Walker

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 10:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i dont think that vanessa's being voted off had anything to do with the joke or whatever you want to call it that they made her say lastnight..i just dont think she had very much support..i just dont see her fitting in anywhere or having much of a fan base..if it was the 80s she might have done well..i can see her maybe doing a tv sit com or something like that..thats not to say that no one liked her im sure someone did.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 11:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Walker, my problem is that we really don't know..
Just like with Kimberly Locke, lots of people started being down on her when she talked back, yet later we heard that they were encouraged to bring it to Simon. I just think the producers should stay out of it, let the contestants be natural and then if they blow it, fine.

The reaction of that audience says she did have some fan base.

It isn't the end of the world, but it seems that they are putting them at risk just for some very lame moments.

Jhezzie

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 11:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Carmen stays and Vanessa goes? Julia stays and Vanessa goes? That bites! She's original. She's got a killer voice. She's not afraid of the stage. She's so pretty! When Simon told her she was like a Bette Midler and not what they were looking for, I was saying, "What more could you dream of, Simon?" A 40 year career, oodles of talent in any venue, legions of fans? I hope that stupid, scripted wisecrack didn't kill her, but maybe it did. Absolutely unfair.

Darkmutton

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 02:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I had hoped Julia would go and Vanessa stay on for a couple more weeks. I liked her positive personality - always having fun. From Simon's comments I guess the American Idol is supposed to have a certain sound, a certain look, and a certain personality, too. Vanessa was too unique. It's a shame.

Fruitbat

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 03:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Vanessa was my favorite going in on Tuesday.

The scritpted line did not help her but she contibuted to her downfall. Her facial contortions and nervous banter made her uncomfortable to watch. Her vintage clothing is funky for streetwear but does not work on stage. Put pink hair on top of that and she just came across as just a little too busy.

She will get something going. She is driven and talented. She needs some coaching on stage presence and a stylist to help her keep the image she likes but fine tune it.

Fruitbat

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 04:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Simon would have added Ricky and Charles as the other two.

He has always thought Ricky's voice was good but looks older than his years and does not have the image. Charles just did not shine.

Pagal

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 04:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that those are the two that Simon had in mind to be in the bottom five along with Vanessa, Julie and Kim L.

Ginger1218

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 06:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am shocked that Kimberly L. and Julia did not go and Vanessa did. While I did not think she would win the whole thing, I thought she would go much further. And those other two are not good compared to her.

Azriel

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 06:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Damn, I wanted it to be Carmen that went :(

It looked like it really hurt Julia to see Vanessa go. The look on her face was so shocked and she truly looked upset for Vanessa. I hope it's a wake-up call for Julia about her attitude and I hope I NEVER have to hear Julia mangle the
'Star Spangled Banner' again.

Now, I will just hope that ~gag~ Carmen gets the axe next week.

Marej

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 06:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think Carmen and Simon are "friendly?"

Conejo

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 06:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat, I have been thinking the same about those 'facial contortions' they were really getting on my nerves. And I also think that Simon would have added Charles and Ricky to the 'bottom five'. I know I would have - and Ruben would not have been far behind! Sorry, but Ruben, is not what I would be looking for in an American Idol. He needs to get rid of those 205 Shirts and lose ALOT of weight. He looks so uncomfortable when he walks, sits, etc. carrying around all of that extra poundage. He does have a very nice voice, just doesn't do it for me. JMHO FWIW

Fruitbat

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 06:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Conjo, I agree about Ruben.

I think Julia's expression was showing her upset about such a close call. I don't hold that against her. How dissapointing that must be. Hardly easy to go into the next round knowing you do not have a large fan base and could be next.

Webkitty

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree about Ruben too. I think he is precious, can sing, and has a twinkle in his eye when he does, but his weight is distracting for me.
Not because I think its repulsive or anything, but because the whole time he is singing I find myself worrying about his health!
The dude has got to weight close to 400lbs, that's a lot of weight, even for a larged framed man.
He seems breathless at times, and even has trouble walking. I would love to see him around for a long time to come, so I hope he can get some help with that.

My take on Julia last night was that her expression and tears were more for her own close call than for Vanessa. I really wish it had been Julia that went last night, because now she might just get a clue that her attitude stinks and she might slip by if she changes it. But I will remember lol.

I don't understand the sentiments regarding Carmen. She has a great attitude, is pretty and has a unique voice. Did anyone catch at the beginning of the show last night when the 12 of them were up doing that number, Clay and Carmen really seemed to have fun and enjoy each other. They looked like a natural duet to me.

Conejo

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Uh OH, better not let Herm catch Clay having fun with Carmen!

Fruitbat

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Carmen. I hope she blows everyone away next week. She needs to be heard more. I think her voice is great. She put a nail in her coffin by yodeling. I happen to like it but it turned off many. She is no more country than that Marine that the viewers seem to be so crazy about.

Tabbyking

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
plus, i had julia to go on my media game...thought i maybe had some points for a second there!

Fluff

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like the Marine or Carmen or Julia. Everyone else is cool, in my opinion.

Webkitty

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 08:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Joshua, the marine, has a good voice, and I like his attitude, but he does a wierd thing with his chin/bottom lip when he sings, its distracting for me.

Still got the Corey love going on.......I know I'm the only one, but that's ok, more for me

Marymc

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 08:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
how come simon told vanessa to lose 10 pounds but no one says SQUAT to reuben about his weight? i loved vanessa....she was original and fun and just a doll. am not as impressed with reuben's voice as much as everyone else. carmen's out of her element....couple of years from now, maybe, but for now she needs to go back to highschool. julia's attitude is gonna sink her soon. GO CLAY!

Conejo

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, I agree, I think Joshua has a nice voice, a great attitude and seems like a great young man. However, it's almost painful at times for me to watch him sing. I think that maybe he doesn't feel comfortable and is out of his element.

I don't know why Simon hasen't addressed Ruben's weight issue. It almost seems like he's getting bigger every week.

Bandit

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Very true, Mary! I never thought about that, but what a double standard!!!!

Hereiam

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree about the weight matter. I thought it odd when Simon told Joshua to lose a few pounds and still has said nothing about Ruben's weight. Almost like they all know it is there but are afraid to talk about it - used to be a saying about ignoring a pink elephant in a room or something like that. It just seems odd that weight issues would be brought up to some and not to the most obvious.

I too was surprised to see Vanessa go, there are a few I would have put going before her.

Realfan

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was so sorry to see Vanessa go. I know she probably wouldn't have won this competition, but she was so bright and funny and a real asset to the TV show part of this thing. I'm disappointed.

I was on Julia's side through the Kim C./Julia debacle, for the most part, though I think she could have handled it much better. But she just kinda bores me now, and I HATE when the contestants talk back to the judges! But I won't hold it against her if she cuts it out, like Justin did.

I think she looked genuinely sad for Vanessa and a little shocked at her own close call, which is natural. I saw nothing bad there.

ITA about Reuben. What's the big (hah!) deal about him anyway? And his weight isn't an issue when JOSHUA looks heavy to Simon? Excuse me? Or is it that Reuben is SO critically obese, it would be considered un-PC to mention it? So there's (no pun intended) and elephant in the room and no one's talking about it.

Fruitbat

Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Marine's attitude is no better than Clay or Trenyce or.......................I just don't see him shinning above the rest in anyway and I agree that he looks stiff and out of place on the stage. Good voice to be sure.