Archive through February 21, 2003
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Archive through February 21, 2003
Texannie | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 05:59 pm     Sorry..had to forgo Survivor tonite for this! LOL didn't really believe Helene as much as I did Aaron. I can really believe his frustration with her. I didn't understand the bar in Toronto incident though. LOVED Trista and Ryan! Did you see how he looked at her so intently whenever she talked? He's gone! Thought it was hysterical when asked how he reacted to seeing Charlie with her parents! LOL Charlie was very gracious and they were to him. Anyone see the outtakes at the end? Chris flubbed a line and they were laughing so he says "so ya'll have sex yet?" and they both died! |
Surealityjunkie | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 06:25 pm     Texannie, I didn't see the outtakes. I am in TX, too, and it seemed to cut off real quick when it ended to move on to "Are you Hot?" or so I thought... Am I correct in guessing that it came back after they shook Charlie's hand the camera faded out? I had to switch over to the Feldman wedding on The Surreal Life. |
Max | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 06:44 pm     can someone provide more details? I can't forgo Survivor for this! What did Aaron say? I suspect he got tired VERY quickly of the demanding Helene we saw glimpses of during the show. What was Helene's take on it? Inquiring minds wanna know!! |
Nathalia | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:21 pm     I'm not sure what to believe on this one. Aaron says he made a comment about a couple in a Toronto bar about them being all over each other and they should "get a room". Helene on the other hand said she went to get them drinks and forgot what drink Aaron had wanted and came back to ask him and he was talking to some other woman and wouldn't acknowledge Helene. This was only two weeks into the relationship after the show ended. She figured he was engaged to her, he should be only focusing on her. Personally, from watching the show I never saw that Helene ever gave Aaron an inch, but it seems that she really loved him and I felt bad for her showing her every time she broke down and cried tonight. Chris wasn't that good at consoling, he just went onto the next question. Maybe he wasn't sure what to make of this either. JMO |
Scorpiomoon | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 07:49 pm     Here's my recap: Helene was interviewed first. Overall, she felt Aaron led her to believe everything was fine between them, but she saw many warning signs at the same time. At first, he would always be calling and telling her he loved her. They were always affectionate when they were together. He even proposed to her a second time. But, she said, Aaron would put various events and guest appearances he made before spending time with her. She said they never spent the holidays together. She brought up the incident in Toronto where, she said, when she went to get their drinks she saw him "oogling" and "checking out" another woman. She got upset and gave him back the ring--telling him to think about whether he was truly serious about this engagement. Later, they spent time at his cabin and she said everything was fine. The Toronto thing had been resolved. He didn't give her back the ring--he just left it on the nightstand. She found this upsetting. Soon after he came to visit her in NJ. She says they had a great time up until an hour before his flight. It was then that he told her in he no longer had feelings for her. She says she was shocked and felt she never got any really answers--only "politically correct" ones. She said she still had feelings for him--she couldn't just turn them off like he did. She said if she had it her way they'd be working things out, but that she knew the relationship was over. Aaron said, at the beginning, they were very much in love but eventually they went off in two different directions. He said, when they were in Toronto, he made a joke about two people making out and Helene got upset. He said they talked in the hotel all night and she said some things to him that were revealing and upsetting to him. (He didn't go into details.) He also said he was hurt about her giving him back the ring. He said there were differences in their personalities that he didn't see before. He kept on repeating (at least 8 times) how "beautiful" and "pretty" she was and how it was a shame that things didn't work out because Helene is so "beautiful". (He was strictly refering to her external appearance.) He watched parts of her interview. When asked if he was hurt by what she said, he said no because he had beard all the things she said during the last three months. He said she continuously accused him of misleading her and not being trustworthy. He said the relationship is defintely over. My thoughts: I think Aaron is a total <14> and a player but desperately wants everyone to think he's not--he's a good guy just wanting to do the right thing. I think it was obvious from the beginning of the show that Helene had trust issues and there is nothing anyone could do to reassure her enough. Ending the show with Trista, Ryan and an appearance by Charlie made the hour less depressing. These three all seem like pretty grounded, mature and decent people. |
Scorpiomoon | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:26 pm     P.S: I should clarify what Aaron meant when I wrote "they were going in different directions". He said, during the taping of the show Helene was the one who was apprehensive while he was totally into the relationship. After the finale aired, things changed and he was the one who was apprehensive while she was the one who was totally into them being together. Final thought: I hope the one person who acquired something out of this idiotic mess was Brooke. I hope she watched the show tonight and thanked her lucky stars she wasn't picked and realized she could do better. |
Surealityjunkie | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:28 pm     Scorpio, I noticed Aaron's references to how beautiful Helene is and was waiting for him to mention more about her inner beauty, too. It is almost like he was caught up in the "hot rocket body" mentality that we have recently witnessed. I didn't know where to land on this one either... I almost feel like I have to believe that there are three sides to every story -- his, hers, and the truth. And call me simple, but for some reason, I think that Trista & Ryan's relationship has much more of a chance of survival because it seems like it is based on more than what he/she looks like. They really seem to be so much more into each other than I have seen with the first two men and their respective ladies. I am going out there when I say, I can see it in their eyes... they just look content and happy. I might eat the words later, but that is what I am feeling. I would personally be crushed if I heard that they split. I, too, went "against the grain" with my husband and it was the best decision I have ever made relationship-wise. Guess I have invested too much emotional energy on this one...   |
Surealityjunkie | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:32 pm     Scorpio, If she is lucky, Brooke will be out on a date with the younger Sutter brother soon listening to his poetry saying, "Aaron who?" If you didn't know, Good Morning America is going to set the two up on a date. Brooke called in this AM and talked to him (Ryan's brother) and Tony Perkins. I would love to see that date. I bet it would be fun! |
Muse | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:33 pm     I don't really side with Helene or Aaron. Aaron has always strived to say whatever he thinks people want to hear, or whatever's PC. So I tend not to trust whatever he says. But on the other hand, on TB2 and interviews afterward, I *never* picked up on a whole lot of affection or love on Helene's part. Aaron seemed to genuinely care about her (proposing to her was a bit extreme, though, IMO), but she never seemed that into him. I was surprised he didn't notice that earlier. Probably a bit of truth (and stretching the truth) on both sides. |
Scorpiomoon | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:39 pm     Surealityjunkie: Yep. I agree with you 100% about everything you said. And that is very cool about Brooke. I hope things work out for her. I think she deserves it.  |
Prisonerno6 | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:45 pm     I wouldn't call Aaron a total <14>. I think he is obviously conscious of appearances, and does strive to say the "right thing," but I don't think he used Helene or led her on. I agree with Muse, I never got the feeling that Helene had any deep feelings for him. In fact, her crying was the first real emotion I saw from her. As for teh bar incident, I think someone who has trust issues (Helene) is always looking to test the person who wants her trust. It seems a tad bit extreme to give a ring back to someone just because you think he's looking at another woman, IMHO. Maybe there was something else that was going on that we didn't hear about, but that whole incident seemed like she was testing his feelings for her -- and he failed by not giving the ring back to her right away. |
Scorpiomoon | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:50 pm     Yeah, I will admit my "<14>" comment was a bit harsh. In all fairness, Aaron hasn't proven himself to be a total <14>. This is just my very subjective opinion. I think we are all in agreement so far--Helene was not some hapless victim. She did her share of sabatoging. |
Wink | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 08:55 pm     No doubt the root cause of all their problems was that freaking annoying laugh of hers. I mean how many times could you listen to that in the course of a day and not want to stick a hot poker up your nose. Or hers. |
Scorpiomoon | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:04 pm     Well, if we're going to get petty, let's also point out that every time Aaron kissed her, Helene would still be talking while their lips were locked. Talk about not knowing when to shut up. That would get old damn fast. |
Lurknomore | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:20 pm     Would someone be kind enough to provide more details about the segment with Ryan, Trista and Charlie?! I hadn't watched this Bachelor so was mostly watching the Michael Jackson stuff and flipping waiting for this part when one of my closest friends called urgently needing to talk. I was taping Survivor on the downstairs VCR (the one I know how to use lol) and ran to toss in a tape for this on the upstairs VCR (the one I thought I also knew how to use but clearly was wrong as I got TVLand sigh). Help pretty please. I really wanted to see this. I had expected Trista and to choose Charlie and me be disgusted as they shallowly lived happily ever after. Yesterday was a shock. I loved Ryan. So please..details!!! Hellllp me. Thanks!! |
Maggiegirl | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:20 pm     Remember back early in the show when Helene wanted to walk cuz she didn't want to play if she wasn't going to win and Aaron gave her his cell phone number. Now you have to wonder how many others have that same number. |
Curious1 | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:28 pm     I don't think I can really pick a side on this Aaron and Helene issue. But one thing that really really annoyed me was how Aaron keep saying how gorgeous and pretty she is, he even said once 'it saddens me to look at her and see how beautiful she is and know that it isn't going to work". That to me is saying "I'm saddened becuase that porsche is so beautiful but it won't work for me I need a family car." No matter how annoying Helene is she isn't a piece of property that you are 'missing out on'. On the other hand Helene does seem to have some major trust issues and I'm sure that she can really test the men she is with. It did seem thought that they actually only spent maybe 3 times together and 2 of the 3 were during the bachelor. I'm sorry but I'd probably be testing the man too if I was watching him say over and over "I hope I'm not making a mistake". It had to be hard on her and I think Aaron could have been more reassuring to her and probably spent more time with her. Who knows if she would have realized he really loved her after the bachelor aired and he still stuck around both physically and emotionally. He himself said that he "checked out" of the relationship at his lake house during their visit before the bachelor had finished airing. Honestly though I think this is what really happened. Aaron was in love with the chase and the hard to get Helene, once he realized she really did have feelings for him and wanted to "work" on their relationship that had obvious problems he was no longer interested because the chase was over. He has now moved on to chasing other women. That's probably the third side of the story! |
Seamonkey | Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 09:34 pm     Lurk, I didn't see all of the segment with Charlie, Ryan and Trista, because, like you, I didn't watch Bachelor I.. The three seemed to value each other.. Ryan said it was hard because he bonded with the guys, all wanted to be with Trista, but he really respected Charlie. Charlie said he always felt if he didn't come out chosen, he'd want Ryan to, and that Ryan is the type of guy he'd want his sister to end up with. Trista repeated that line about if she could split in two and be with both (groan) but said that there were times when she was with Charlie she'd be thinking of Ryan. And said she pretty much knew it was Ryan for her after Seattle? But that she knew how it felt to be thinking it was her and have things change, and so she didn't want to overly encourage either one of them until the very end. And at the end they all joked that they weren't worried about Charlie.. I think that came when Trista was being sorry and Ryan joked that Charlie would be ok.. and they all laughed (I think meaning that Charlie would definitely find someone) Trista and Ryan seem really relaxed, lots of little private looks, and seem to appreciate what the other says. |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 04:13 am     Maggie, I was actually thinking of that, too, but as it backed up my "testing" theory. I thought she told Aaron more than once she was going to leave, and that seemed to me at the time her way of testing him to see if he would say, "Oh, no, please stay, I don't want you to go," and that started way before he ever said, "I hope I'm not making a mistake." |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 04:15 am     Lurknomore, I still have it on tape, so if you don't get enough details by the time I get to watch the rest of it, I'll tell you what happened with Trista/Ryan/Charlie later. |
Bakerygirl | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:10 am     They did an interview with Aaron on my local news. I live about 3 hours from Springfield. He talked about his new grill and bar opening and they said Trista plans on visiting there soon. I wish I knew when and I'd go too. He said he plans on not dating anyone else from the show, he's still in touch with Helene through e-mail. That's really about all that we didn't hear on the other interview. Something I found weird was Helene gave him back the ring after one fight and it did not seem like that big of a deal. Not worth giving the ring back. So I think Aaron is better off without her, sounds like all they would ever do it fight and that he could not do anything right. I can understand how that opened his eyes to the way she really is when she gave him the ring. Glad she ended up with the ring though.. |
Froggiegirl621 | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:00 am     IMHO...I think Aaron came out looking like a dog. Although I do agree, Helene was never really the most easy to read emotionally. At the end of TB2 when she accepted the proposal, I was shocked. I just didn't see her into the relationship. But last night I sincerely thought she must've really been in love with him, her emotions were just too real for me to believe otherwise. It's a toss up for me! |
Dahli | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:39 am     My Mom always says 'Men have two speeds... Getcha and Gotcha' and they are as different as can be. There may be some truth to that I'm thinkin'.... |
Texannie | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:41 am     I forgot about Aaron CONSTANTLY saying "she was so beautiful", "it just killed me to break up with her cause she was so beautiful"..that did weird me out a little! Trista and Ryan came in very casual with flip flops on. Showed the ring but still can't tell what it looks like. Their body language was so intimate. He watched her so intently whenever she talked! She would look at him too. He just sat and stroked her hand while she talked. When Charlie came out, he greeted her "HI Sweetie" and she hugged him. He talked about thinking he had a shot, but knew that he wasn't in love with her, hoped he would have a chance but that "anyone could see that they (Ryan & Trista) were falling in love with each other" (everyone but me! LOL). He was very gracious. Ryan was asked if this was ackward and he said not really, that it was hard cause he really liked all the guys. My reaction all the way around was here are 3 people with alot of class. |
Texannie | Friday, February 21, 2003 - 06:44 am     One other thought, and I am sure it is more of an editing thing. But she has said on several occassions since the picking that it was 'so hard cause she couldn't tell Ryan or Charlie how she really felt'...isn't telling Charlie 'you have my heart', 'you have nothing to worry about' telling him???????????? |
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