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Archive through May 01, 2003
Hobbs | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 10:59 am     We know that the "idols" read the boards and I think most, if not all of us are in agreement that Josh should have gone last night. I also think that he knows he should have gone last night. So Josh, being the honorable Marine that you are, I think you should stand up and step down. I know that the producers won't bring back Trenyce, but do you want to risk Clay, Ruben, or Kim being sent home before you? You felt bad last night. Think how bad you would feel then. |
Rabbit | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 11:15 am     Well before that happens, Kansas City needs to give the Saint Louis Cardinals the 1985 World Series trophy for benefiting from the most costly bad call in the history of Baseball. |
Babyruth | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 11:19 am     Well, I'm on my way to work, but will toss in my 2 cents: It crossed my mind last night that Josh might do just that, on live television. I'm glad he didn't. (even though I think he's the worst of the bunch musically) My opinion? The fact that he's a Marine shouldn't hold him to different standard in this singing contest than any other contestant. For some reason, he's still in it, and it's not his fault or responsibility to "correct" the results. |
Crazydog | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 11:53 am     I kind of disagree Babyruth. Joshua has milked every bit of mileage out of being a Marine. He has done everything possible to play up his Marine image. He manages to remind people of the fact that he is a Marine nearly every single week, such as with his "Marine restraint" comment on Tuesday. If he is going to continue to be America's Perfect Marine then he should behave in accordance with how an ideal Marine would behave. I feel that the ideal Marine would think his situation is not honorable. No he does not have to correct the results. But he is far and away the worst singer and he knows it. With every week that he unjustly remains in the competition he is taking away the chance of someone that is more talented and has a chance of really doing something. He could simply say, "I know I'm not good enough to keep going, and I miss my family, so I'm going to go home." But then again, his entire situation from the get go has been dubious. It is very odd that many of the other units in San Diego EXCEPT his shipped out. And then there was that article where the Marines admitted they were holding his unit back for him. I'd say it stinks. |
Grooch | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:04 pm     I don't agree that he should leave. I don't understand this at all. It was up to America to call for their favorite. Josh's fans did and Ruben's didn't. Simple as that. And if he did leave on his own accord, he would be a quitter, and I thought marines don't quit. |
Beachcomber88 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:13 pm     I have made no secret of my dislike for the Marine from the very beginning. I have been eagerly anticipating his boot and return to duty. That being said, I however don't think he should have to apologize for America's vote. I think it is unreasonable to ask him to step-down. Look at Nikki from last year. Everyone knew she was outclassed, and even she knew that she should not have stayed over Tamyra. Did she step down? Of course not. But then she was promptly eliminated the next week because she simply was not good enough. And what's she doing now? Singing karaoke, while Kelly and Justin continue to further their careers. I think Joshua will go when America realizes that they do not want him to be the American Idol, and they don't want him to represent America as the best we have to offer. His time will come - no worries! Until then, I think he actually feels uncomfortable and embarassed that he is still there. Crazy, I agree - he has played up his Marine image. I still remember his solemn declaration on the first week of the final group ... "I am a Marine." All I have to say is that he's the most out-of-shape Marine that I have ever seen. I know that everyone says the camera adds 10 pounds. And my widescreen tv makes everybody look a tad fat. But c'mon, this guy is packing on the poundage! Certainly doesn't fit the image of the cut, physical specimens that we see as the Few and the Proud! |
Not1worry | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:30 pm     In some ways I do think it would be the best move for him to step down. I would certainly respect that move, but I do see how he could be portrayed as a quitter to others. However, don't for one minute think that the Marine Corps would ever let him consider that plan. Although he's been playing around Hollywood, I have no doubt that Marine Corps officials keep in touch with him more than regularly. I would guess he's been told that he is a representative of the Corps and any behavior that casts the Corps in a bad light (other than his awful singing I guess) won't be tolerated. Even if he leaves the service next year, he still has to go back to work at some point. I'm former military and a military family member, but I quit voting for Josh weeks and weeks ago. I don't like to see people saying, the war is over - Josh should go home. The war is over, but our soldiers need our support now more than EVER as they get ready to return home. |
Crazydog | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:37 pm     As far as people saying "the war is over, Josh should go home" it's not about not supporting our soldiers. It's about not giving Joshua sympathy votes to keep him on the show so he doesn't have to get sent to Iraq. Now that the war is over, Joshua does not need to have AI to keep him from getting shipped out. Also, I believe that statement is also referring to people's surge in patriotism and hence supporting anything that is tied to the military. If Joshua is keeping in touch with the Marines and they are telling him to be a model Marine, then how would you explain his nasty comments and sourpuss faces last Tuesday? He acted like a pouting brat. Not exactly a good image for the Marines. |
Snee | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:39 pm     i think the right thing for josh to do is to continue for as long as you wacky americans keep voting for him. he should just keep trying his best and let the proverbial cards fall where they may. ('course all my cards are face cards...ruben's face!) |
Watching2 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:19 pm     One thing I want to mention about Josh getting special treatment, even his whole unit getting special treatment is, we have a dear friend in the Army who is in one of the Airborne Div. - a paratrooper. After 9/11, he got called back to base early from his Thanksgiving leave to go to Afghanistan. Three times he got orders to go and three times they fell through and he never went. He was upset! Just last month he got orders to leave for Iraq. Since he's in the Airborne I was really worried since it was before Baghdad had been taken. There were 10 guys from his unit who were given orders to go. They sent 5 the first week. The other 5 were to go the next. He had packed up his belongings and put them into storage at the base, been issued all his desert gear and a day before he was to leave, they canceled the orders. Who knows how the military works? He certainly doesn't! I can say I sure was relieved he wasn't going, but you have to think in the mind of the soldier. They have to get into the mindset they're going and try to prepare. I can't imagine the range of emotions they go through. He expressed some and it was the first time he wasn't completely "gung ho" send me! It was a real wake-up call for him, but he was going to go and do whatever he was ordered to do. When they pulled the rug out from under him, there probably was some relief, but he also was really angry with the military for messing with his emotions so much. There sometimes seems to be no rhyme or reason why some units are sent and others who sure seem like they should be there, aren't, especially when so many units like theirs has been sent. I totally think Josh should have been gone last night. In my opinion, he should have been gone before some of the others. Whether his unit is being given special treatment just because he's on a tv show, in my opinion, is questionable. If they really needed that unit, he'd be gone. I doubt very much our country is going to leave a whole unit home it really needs just because of publicity on a TV show. It isn't his fault he's still there. It's the fault of people who are voting out of some sort of misplaced patriotic duty and not voting for the "best singer." When it comes down to Ruben, Kim and Clay, it's going to be a matter of who you like best perosnally since they all have great voices. FWIW |
Holly11 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:45 pm     I am in agreement with a lot of you. Josh did do bad this week but it is not his fault that he is still in. If his fans want to vote for him that is their right also. Personally I feel he should of been the one to go this week, but since he was not, we move on. Whoever is your favorite you will just have to work harder at getting those votes in. I want Clay to win so I will vote for him. Everyone is entitled to a bad day, even a Marine. Last night was a real shock to me. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:04 pm     <>. it's not josh's 'fault' he is still there. he has done his best although it's not to everyone's liking. why should he step down? when someone steps down on mr. personality, everyone ridicules him for being a wimp, but josh should be a man or a good marine and do the right thing? he is doing the right thing. he sings. people vote. he stays or goes according to the show rules. what's honorable about stepping down? |
Emt911 | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:07 pm     If I recall, at the beginning of this series, it was Simon and the other judges who played up the marine thing. |
Crazydog | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:14 pm     Nobody told Joshua to salute Simon and tell him that he was "reporting for duty". Joshua knew that the Marine angle was his gimmick and he has milked it for all it has been worth. He was the one who started the whole "I'm a Marine" business. How come we never hear about what some of the others do for a living? I have absolutely no clue what the ones who are out of college do. We know that Joshua is a Marine because he keeps telling us. |
Crossfire | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:18 pm     I have to disagree with the premise of this thread. If we are to conclude that if he does any other thing that he is somehow doing something wrong, then THAT would be wrong. I believe if the bottom two had been Josh and Trenyce, and Trenyce had still lost, a lot of people would still not be happy, but there would not be as much a sense that an indignity had taken place. The ball was dropped by Ruben's fans, it is they who need to do the right thing. I personally would be very happy if Ruben won, but it is not the job of his fellow contestants regardless of their skill to make it so. They need to do everything they can to win. If I were a coach, I would recommend that Josh stand his ground and find the cutest puppy dog in california and cradle it in his arms during his next song, and follow it up with a kitten for the second song. The warning shot has been fired. Everyone should now know what they need to do if they want their favorite to win. |
Maris | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:20 pm     I think Josh should do the right thing which is to laugh his butt off if he wins this competition. He will be the Rosie Ruiz of American Idol. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:22 pm     maybe the others are unemployed. josh IS a marine. what is he supposed to do about it? it's ridiculous to think josh should do anything but go along with the show. he didn't make the rules, but he is following them. i would be disappointed if he did walk. imagine my son walking off the track--if in the middle of a race he realized he was losing badly, so he didn't even bother to complete the race. and i don't for a minute think josh got special treatment from the marines. the military does not say, "gosh, let's see what AI or FOX has planned and make our decision to ship out based on that!" |
Kellirippa | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:48 pm     Josh is just a guy who's a pretty good singer. He gave this AI thing a whirl and he got in! I'm sure it's been a thrill ride all along. He appeals to some people, he's got horseshoes up his butt, whatever, he's just going along with the process, and now, because he dared to get more votes than Rueben he's supposed to say, "well, that's enough of this, I'm not worthy"..? |
Tabbyking | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:04 pm     wow, i got moderated. let me re- word it that i felt 'some of the posts were cold'. |
Emeraldfire | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:31 pm     Josh is human first, then a Marine. He has the right to compete just like everyone else and try to make his dream come true. It's the public's responsibility to keep him in or take him out. He should never quit. I'm a major supporter of Kimberly L., but I feel Josh is getting a raw deal because of the combination of being a Marine and the Reuben fiasco. |
Kellirippa | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:33 pm     well put Emerald! |
Seamonkey | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 05:04 pm     Wow.. do the "right" thing? He entered, he was voted into the top 10, and he's still there and he's supposed to walk away? Now, if he is voted off, I don't expect him to whine about it. When Trenyce's background came out, I didn't expect her to quit. Personally I think "the marine" is being used in an awfully negative way.. I don't hear people referring to Trenyce as "the felon". Make your votes as you choose. People who vote differently aren't <choose your derogatory phrase; there have been some dandies>. Actually I have a feeling that the mass panic to pump in more Clay and Ruben votes will end up putting Kim out before Josh, but all I can do is continue voting for Kim. I really can't tell anyone else what to do. |
Emeraldfire | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:24 pm     Thanks Kelli! |
Pamy | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:45 pm     Sea, you said it all! I totally agree with everything you said, especially the part about Treynce! Emerald I also agree with what you said. The only thing I would add he appears to be good family man also. I hope he doesn't read these boards cuz I can just imagine how awful he would feel seeing all the negative things being said about him, when none of it is his fault. |
Crazydog | Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:37 pm     True, the voting isn't his fault. But what is his fault is the fact that his singing is painfully atrocious. I really don't care if he reads what I have to say. By appearing on the show, he is making himself a public figure and he is fair game for criticism. And these boards are tame compared to some of the other ones I've run across. If you think some of us are being harsh on him here, you would be appalled at some of the things being said about him at other sites. |
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