Archive through April 23, 2003
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Archive through April 23, 2003
Hermione69 | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:28 pm     lori, carmen does have an amazing amount of class and poise for a teenager. i admire her so much! when i was 18, i would never have had the presence to do what she is doing, even if i had the voice!! |
Vali | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:28 pm     I agree about the sympathy votes for Carmen, Herm. I was pretty surprised by how harsh the judges were on her tonight--I guess there's no holding back anymore. Even Paula has improved...somewhat. I can't think of any one singer with what I'd call a Broadway voice, like I think Clay's is. Instead, I can think of a bunch of songs he'd sound great singing, much the same way I can for Ruben. Some of the songs from Les Miserables, for example. I think he has an incredibly powerful voice, but he injects so much emotion into singing (compared with others like Carmen who try to do that and fail, IMO) that I could see the songs being part of a story, like in a musical. That's my humble take on it! |
Vali | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:30 pm     I'm always impressed by how well Carmen takes the judges' comments, especially tonight. She's a lot more poised than I would be now! I give her a lot of respect for that. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:31 pm     thanks, vali! what can i say? he gives me goosebumps and good dreams! whooooo! bring on the broadway voice for me! good night, everyone! |
Babyruth | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:39 pm     Kim totally ROCKED tonite, as did Clay and Ruben. I love these three! Trenyce was pretty good, she sounded very "pop". Josh was OFF, again!! Yikes! He should've gone way before a couple of the others did (Ricky, Vanessa). I felt badly for Carmen because of the harsh comments she received. There are kinder ways to make a point, live, in person, on national TV. Geez! She held up well with all that. But, I bet she'll be next to go. |
Walker | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:39 pm     vali..i think the judges were right to be harsh on carmen..if it's ok for simon to say hurtful things to clay, josh and the rest then it's ok for carmen to have her feelings hurt once in a while..i mean the girl cannot sing and it's a hard fact for her to face but it's true. |
Lori | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:44 pm     Herm, LOL I can remember playing piano recitals in front of small groups and I was so scared my knees knocked together (literally). To be Carmen at age 18 and to take that harsh criticism week after week...it just amazes me! I loved the look on her face tonight when Randy made his comments. Good for her...I hope she's around next week and gives an awesome performance just to spite the judges! |
Vali | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:49 pm     Hey Walker...I see what you mean. I guess it seems worse with Carmen for a few reasons--maybe I see her as more vulnerable because she's younger, too. I think that it seems worse regarding what they're saying--they can tell Josh he was completely off-key, but with Carmen it's a lot more direct: "You will not win." Kind of makes me suck in my breath, like, "ooh..that must have hurt." |
Walker | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:54 pm     vali..it could be a sneaky way on simons part to make sure that people call in and vote for carmen. |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:55 pm     Herm, I said that last week after Kim got booted off that Carmen would pick up her votes and Josh still had the marine thing. Not many agreed with me, I am glad to see you do. |
Spygirl | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 06:57 pm     I think Kim L may pick up Kim C's votes, actually, rather than Carmen. Okay, a girl can dream, right? |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 07:02 pm     I wouldn't worry too much about Kim Locke, I think she will pick up a lot of Trenyce's, Carmens and Josh's votes when they leave. I think Trenyce and Carmen are the next 2 to go and Kim will get most of their votes which will put her ahead of Josh with his marine votes. She will then pick up most of Josh's votes because who ever is going to vote for Clay and Rueben has already been decided. They aren't getting better but Kim is. I really think Kim has a shot at this thing. It may be a long one but I can see it. |
Sadiesmom | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 07:09 pm     I don't know if this has been said here before, but most younger foldk in this country download their music. It is the older crowd that is still buying music. The demographics of music is changing, maybe the idol should, too. |
Llkoolaid | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 07:16 pm     I can think of a few changes I would like to see. I should start a thread. Maybe I will tomorrow when I am not so sleepy. |
Sherbabe | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 07:49 pm     The remarks by the judges, I believe, sway people's phone call's. Also, I believe, their is a clause that even if someone is voted off, if the producers do not agree, they can cancel that vote. I can't remember where I read or heard that. |
Alisons | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 08:09 pm     My take: Kim Locke - she did well with the song, she has a lovely voicem, but whenever I see her I think - here is the generic black female singer with the smoky voice. There is just nothing to distinguish her from any number of already successful women out there. Clay - Simon is absolutely right that he has a stage voice. It is a high drama, wail on the top notes, hang onto everything type style that he has and it belongs on stage not in the recording studio. Who was the guy who sang the song "Calypso"? Roger someone? Roger Whitaker? Reminds me of him. Still, I do like him and he did a great job with his song. Trenyce - She doesn't have it to be the diva she strives to be, and she would be better off finding her own style. That being said, I think she does a lot with what she has, probably more so than anyone else. I don't think she is the best, but I think she belongs up there. Josh - The exciting part of the war is over, so I think some of the patriotic wave that he has been riding will hit the shore soon. He has good nights and bad nights, and tonight was a bad one. For crying out loud, adjust the song to your vocal range! There is no excuse for missed notes like that, not when you have a whole team of professional production assistants working with you all week! Carmen - Another one who has good and bad weeks, but this was a good week for her. And yes, she could hit the notes. I had been wondering why her song selections had not had any of those soaring notes that female singers usually gravitate to, and she was right to show that this week because I had assumed she could not do it. Whether she stays another week or not, there is always a market for a "good girl" in America. Ruben - My personal favorite, he just makes it look so easy. I would love to hear him do some New Orleans Jazz. Can't you just hear him singing "Walk With Me" - he was born for it. I don't think anyone can beat him. That's it - for the bottom three, I predict Josh, Trenyce and Carmen with Trenyce being out this week. |
Hobbs | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 08:18 pm     Alisons, I was sitting back listening to the conversations. I was going to leave a little note to Deej wanting to hear her opinion because we always agree. Well I don't have to wait for her, you hit it perfect! Right down to the prediction. Do you think that the judges were putting Carmen down to get her votes up? |
Alisons | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 08:37 pm     I don't really know what is going on with Carmen and the judges, but I do think that she is likely to have a different fan base than the others - she is going to draw a lot from the younger kids, the Mary Kate and Ashley crowd. In fact she kind of looks like them, and we all know how marketable they are! I think it is more likely that they started putting her down because they do not want her to actually WIN, just place highly enough to sell tour tickets to the junior high set. |
Avrey258 | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 08:54 pm     Sadiesmom, One exception to that. My 16 and 18 yr. old do the downloading for me. Knew they would come in handy one day. |
Jimmer | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 09:02 pm     I think that Carmen is definitely going to pick up more sympathy / rebellion votes tonight after the judges comments. Randy for some reason just seems really unusually angry that she is still there. Oddly enough, if the judges actually were to praise her a little at this point, she might actually lose votes. I really don't think that Carmen is as bad as they say she is - she was certainly better than Josh and I like her stage performance more than Trenyce. She has incredible poise. We were just splitting laughing over Simon's "constructive" criticism to Clay. Last week he says I like you better with my eyes closed and this week he follows up by saying that he thinks he'd make a great Phantom of the Opera (Randy's response - You mean the guy who wears a mask?). I like Ruben and Clay, but I've really come to like Kimberly the last couple of weeks and I really hope that she can catch up and win it all. She really seems to have worked hard and is putting it all together. |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 09:20 pm     well, i have to honestly say i thought they were all pretty bad tonight, with some of them downright awful--carmen and josh for sure. none of them impressed me, even my baby--okay, hermione's baby--clay. i can't think of any of them i liked at all tonight...even kimberley wasn't 'all that'. i think simon's warning to ruben that he and clay have to be on the lookout for kimberley is partly because i personally feel simon wants a guy and a gal in the final 2, rather than 2 guys. i know anyone can have an off night, but i think they all had one tonight! i did think simon was talking in circles with some of his criticisms, however! he said earlier that he didn't want josh to get into the 'country' mode and stay there and tonight he said, 'so you changed styles again'...which is what he presumably wanted earlier! he was equally contradictory with clay, too. he is the one who chose carmen as his wild card, so he shouldn't insult her like he does...even though i think she can't sing worth beans, i didn't put her up there to fail. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:25 am     I think Randy's anger is because his wildcard went first of the three. |
Beachcomber88 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:36 am     Anyone else think Diane Warren was very Olivia Newton John-ish with her comments? ONJ has been the most useless celebrity judge, but now I think Diane can also lay claim to that title. She was too afraid to tarnish her reputation by saying anything remotely critical. |
Texannie | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 06:38 am     I think it must have been hard for Diane Warren to be a judge..she wrote the songs AND then worked with the contestants on the arrangements and rehearsed with them. That couldn't have made her very unbiased. I agree with Simon about Clay too. Of course, my greatest fantasy is to sing on Broadway so I think it is a HUGE compliment. |
Marameko | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 06:43 am     I don't like at all Kimberly Locke being labeled "the generic black female singer". Kimberly is a very good singer who is true competitor for Clay and my main man Reuben. I just hope tonight that Carmen or Josh are gone, outta there as they are not deserving to be in the competition at this time. |
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