"Women Tell All"
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"Women Tell All"
Sbw | Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 08:08 pm     This show was somewhat painful to watch. Obviously there are still BAD feelings between some of the girls. Gwen looked so hurt and Aaron looked like he tried to explain to her in a public forum. After seeing this, I am not sure he is as much in love as he thought he may be. The way he worded things was strange, and maybe it was to continue with the "coverup" of who wins. But it seemed to me as if now he wondered if he hadn't made a mistake with Gwen. |
Becca | Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 09:38 pm     I think it's telling that all the women prefer Brooke to Helene (seeing especially since most lived with both of them.) I'm not saying as who will win, but as a person |
Jbean | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 03:22 am     it was good to see christi as a normal human being, though. i understand they are under an extreme amount of pressure during the taping, living together and competing for the same man, but that girl came across on the show as a tad bit psychotic. i mean, it is just A MAN...there are plenty of other ones out there. it was good to see her acting normal. also, i agree with the comment about gwen. i really wish she would have won. she seems like a real doll, and just because she didn't gush love to him in those five minutes on last week's show, she didn't get chosen. i felt that she was the most honest. i think he regrets not choosing her, also. especicially after that comment about hindsight and him doing things differently....poor gwen. |
Jbean | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 03:27 am     btw, aaron was NOT at the local watch party that he was supposed to be at (that i went to) last night. they said american airlines had lost luggage or something like that. it was disappointed, because that's what all the hype was about, that he would be there as a celebrity judge. but i have to admit i went to eat chicken wings and drink (seeing him just would have been an added bonus). |
Skypilot | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 06:39 am     What was the problem with Heather from Texas? I came to the series late so I don't know the names of all the women but at one point Heather breaks down in tears after the one women made a joking comment about all the cooking Heather did and something about hairspray. It really bugged me because when the host interviewed Heather he showed footage of her post-rose ceremony parting remarks in which she started to cry. When he commented on her being emotional she turns around and says something like,"Oh no, that's Christi", which I thought was a bit much since Christi had already been the focus of so much attention right at the beginning of the show. It seemed to me that Heather got in one last dig at Christi and then broke down over some joke about her cooking when she'd been joking about it herself. Maybe the "hairspray" part of the comment had some meaning that I didn't understand;otherwise I thought Heather's behavior was really immature and baffling. Seems to me that she might have ended up being the next Christi if she hadn't been booted. I guess you've figured out by now that I don't like her. |
Mack | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 06:53 am     Last night's show was particularly hard to watch when it came to Gwen. The message from Aaron was direct and pretty much right to the point. By taking the less agressive approach with Aaron, Gwen basically eliminated herself. She made a choice and I think the realization of it really, really hit her hard on the show. While they didn't spend a lot of camera time on Aaron I think even he recognized what had happened. Aaron is a bit hard to figure. In some of the "relationships" his run the other way when the lady expressed too much "love" and he's even commented about "I don't understand how they can be that much in love with me in such a short time". Yet, at the same time, he eliminated Gwen because she didn't express her full attraction to him. I'm not sure where that balance is for Aaron but he's got some idea of how things should be and poor Gwen missed the "clue bus". Interesting that the "ladies" as a group thought Gwen was the best match but now seem to think he'll pick Helene. While I "voted" the other way on the poll thread I know that's my choice not necessarily Aaron's. Allowing for the fact the producers have shown us what they want to build the suspense I think (against my advice :-)) he'll pick Helene. |
Conejo | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 06:56 am     Heather said on the show that she wasn't emotional? Then starts crying when one woman makes a little joke? Seems pretty emotional to me!I'm glad she got booted because she was becoming the next Christi. If I were Aaron, I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near either Christi or Heather. Would have been afraid that an encounter might have sparked their "fatal attraction" again. |
Avrey258 | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 07:02 am     Well, some of that was painful to watch. Aaron should be a politician. He acted like he was giving a deposition. Christi seemed to hold it together better than I thought. Heather from Texas was still reeling. I think she felt embarrassed about how she acted on the show. She got that dig in at Christi because she didn't want everyone to think she was a Christi in waiting. Don't remember her name but the "girl" at the Nappa Valley Winery that Aaron was kissing (not Christi) it seemed as though not many of the girls liked her. I thought they spent to much time showing clips. I really didn't want to see all that dragged out again. They should have shown a short clip at the beginning and then asked the questions. Some girls didn't utter a word. It was sort of the Gwen/Christi/Heather from Texas show. Do you really think those audience questions were random? HA-HA! Well, I give it a C-. I really wanted to see them make Aaron sweat. Best moment of the night was when that girl talked about Aaron kissing two girls...tongues....yada, yada, yada. |
Conejo | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 07:13 am     That was good when Ananditta (sp)was talking about Aaron tounging 2 women on the same date. I like this woman! I can't remember the name of the one girl he was kissing either, but she seemed kinda strange to me, almost like she is a man dressed up as a woman! JMHO |
Ariasmum | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 07:51 am     It looks like I agree with everybody here. I think Christi is a little embarassed by her behaviour. For her to tell Aaron that the things he is saying about her aren't true, hey, he was just telling it as he saw it. There is still obvious cattiness amongst some of the women. I think it is ironic that Heather says she isn't emotional and then claims Frances joke was hurtful was too much. She didn't come off well last night at all. You'd think seeing Chriti's comment about Heather not being the one to take home to your parent's would have caused more of a reaction from Heather than the cooking joke (which I didn't find the least bit hurtful) And Heather kept commenting on Brooke's immaturity? Pul-lease! Bitter, bitter woman! Gwen was the obvious crowd favourite. She continues to carry herself gracefully. I wonder too if Aaron regrets cutting her. Suzanne is the Napa Valley girl who wore the flower choker and seems to rub some of the girls the wrong way. I thought she looked a bit like a transvestite too but Aaron said she had a 'smoking' body and he had his hands all over it! |
Weenerlobo | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 07:59 am     Conejo - YES! I think that girl is really a man in drag! Maybe that's why Aaron made out with her/him and then dropped her/him. Something just didn't "feel" right, if ya get my drift. lol Heather from Texas was embarrassing. I have no idea why she cried like that after another woman obviously made a jest. Shees, relax already. It's over! |
Mack | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 08:57 am     My wife's take on Heather, Christie, and Gwen's behavior was that, particularly for Heather and Gwen, was that they were still "in love" with Aaron and it still hurt. Christi is hurt and a bit ripped by Aaron's comments, which by the way we think were right on. My wife was saying "BS" to the screen last night though at Christi....she thinks Christi would jump into Aaron's arms in a heartbeat if he approached her outside the show. |
Denecee | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 08:58 am     OK, the show was a little disappointing because they gave Christi & Heather too much air time! I thought they were a little hard on Suzanne. I think Suzanne is very pretty, she is just a very strong woman. As far as what Aaron said about hindsight and Gwen, I think he was just trying to be nice. I really don't think he was into Gwen as much as he is into Helene. I like Gwen. She handled herself with such grace and I really liked her comment to Aaron that she wanted him to follow his heart. She will be alright and even though I'm not a fortune teller, she will find true love in the near future. |
Realfan | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 11:56 am     Man, Heather was a head case last night, wasn't she?! The host commented during their interview that she seemed emotional (she looked about ready to break into tears right there), then she says SHE'S not emotional, that's Christie. Then, even though she just dished it out, she can't take the smallest joke on herself--despite it being a reflection of something she herself said to the cameras. Ugh, I am sorry I ever rooted for her. I didn't care for her at first, then liked her being nice to Brooke, but she showed her true colors. Christie, too. Gwen was nice, but Aaron just sounded like a politician. I really don't like him. I'm glad the women highlighted how he never TOLD them how he felt about any of them. Wanted to keep all the power for himself, I think. Yay to Amidala (I forget her real name!) for being shown to be in the right, and for NOT being into Aaron and walking out. I was cheering for her when she did that, despite the producers wanting Aaron to have all the power. Ugh. ITA Aaron wants it both ways: women who play hard to get, but confess at just the right time that they're "into him." Whatever. On next week: What's with Aaron's parents asking Helene why she hasn't yet met Mr. Right? Isn't she only 27!?!? |
Denecee | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 01:33 pm     Realfan, I agree that it is crazy for Aaron's mom to ask Helene why she hasn't met Mr.Right yet!! It was rude, but you know the previews can be deceiving. |
Dahli | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 03:00 pm     Yeah - her kid is 28 and he hasn't found Mrs. Right yet! What's his problem...? My DH (who has not seen other episodes) asked last night, with all this guy has going for him, must be something really screwed up that he is 'looking' for a wife this way |
Yuhuru | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 03:08 pm     Hey guys, I noticed next week's previews and I was in total shock. I mean, Helene is what 27? Give me a break. Well afer last night's show. I've decided that aaron is a bonehead. I can't believe that he didn't choose Gwen based on five minutes. The pressure of this show must have boiled his brain. Last night, he seemed like he had some regrets. Boy, I'd hate to be the girl he did pick. I think I would have felt a little uncomfortable with the Gwen stuff. I actually liked Suzanne, she seemed to take a healthy approach to the experience. What can I say about Heather. I think she needs a long vacation> I hope she was just stressed and tired, otherwise she's a kook. |
Shortnsweet | Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 03:57 pm     Skypilot, I don't think anyone answered your question, so I'll try. "The hairspray thing" referred to Heather (who has a great tan) telling the other, less tanned girls that hairspray would help them tan better and faster. Heather sprayed hairspray on the other women, and the other women ended up with terrible sunburns. Frances (the one who made the "joke" about Heather) seemed to make quite a few nasty comments about the other women during her stay at the mansion. Maybe she and Heather didn't get along and the "joke" was just one more knife in Heather's back. |
Skypilot | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 06:28 am     Thank you, Shortnsweet. That clears up the picture a bit more for me. But good God!! Hairspray to help tan?! I'm a black guy so tanning isn't an issue for me but spraying hairspray on your body and lying out in the sun just instinctively sounds like a bad idea to me. I still can't get my mind around the fact that people actually use it in their HAIR. Did Heather actually spray the stuff on herself as well? Please tell me she did because as much as I don't like her I would still be aghast if she'd sat back while the other women did this and suffered the consequences while she abstained. As for Aaron's mom asking Helene why she hasn't met Mr.Right yet, though I admit it was an obnoxious question I thinks it's time for Helene to be on the hot seat for a little while after the way she has grilled Aaron every chance she got. However, I will say that the question is certainly more tactless than anything I've ever heard Helene ask. I wonder if they are trying to discourage a relationship between Aaron and Helene. Kind of like saying "You've never met Mr.Right? Well you STILL haven't so keep looking. Elsewhere." |
Sbw | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 06:47 am     I couldn't remember who suggested the idea with the hairspray, I didn't realize it was Heather. But I do remember that someone (and I think it was Christie) got a sunburn. |
Shortnsweet | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 08:04 am     I'm not sure if Heather sprayed hairspray on herself. I just remember her spraying it on the other girls. Here is a quote from the ABC Bachelor web site, episode 2: At the Villa, the ladies are all enjoying some pool-side R&R, and Heather from Texas is spraying all of the others with her hairspray in lieu of suntan lotion...When they return to the Villa, Christi and some of the other girls are severely sunburned, having not used any real sun block. |
Skypilot | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 08:41 am     GGGrrrr.... |
Denecee | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 11:18 am     There is no way I would let someone spray hairspray on my body for a tan. Please, it's called hairspray for a reason. lol I don't even put the stuff in my hair except when I'm going to a party. |
Sbw | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 11:55 am     Here is an interesting article about Gwen. It does answer some of my questions and one fact stands out, the last talk she and Aaron had as she was leaving lasted an HOUR! http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20021113/1046751.asp |
Hermione69 | Friday, November 15, 2002 - 12:56 pm     well, i haven't posted yet on the last episode. be prepared to be wowed by my insight and sensitivity (maybe not). i also found parts of this painful. i was so embarrassed for some of them. i was quite impressed with christi. she was articulate and intelligent and seemed to show a little humility over her actions, unlike suzanne who i think was full of it. heather, man, she has some problems. i totally did not get why she was so upset over frances's joke. i felt sorry for gwen. she may have seemed a bit boring, but who knows what having a camera on you does to people? she was so sweet. i think it is very revealing when you are well-liked by a group of women because they get to see the side that the men don't see. for gwen to be so well-liked, well, that said a lot to me about the kind of person she is. i think brooke seemed well-like too, certianly more than helene. truly folks, i don't see him having a lasting relationship with either of them. i think brooke is too emotionally immature right now and i think that helene will also we nagging him about something. but what do i know? i am not a relationship expert by any stretch of the imagination. i hope that they all find happiness! |
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