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Emt911

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 09:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think she would like him better if he stayed with moving the earth, rather than trying to stretch his "Hollywood" moment! Construction is an important job. You might even say, "more down to earth" LOL

Happymom

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The ending last night was good. It sure looked like he was going to dump Zora. When she showed up in the ballroom and finally told him that she wanted to continue the journey, he had a wonderful expression, very genuine, happy and so excited!

I think one reason that she didn't act negatively to the $1 million (shared) at the end of the show is because she was probably just swept up in the moment of the whole situation. She always appeared on the show to contemplate situations without much of a reaction. (Unless she was around a horse!) Also, $500,000 is so much less than $50 million. If one had $50 million, their lifestyle would probably be so completely different, $500,000 doesn't go so far in this world anymore.

Moondance, sorry to get back to you so far down in the thread. On the view yesterday, when he talked to Leah Remini saying that she should be ashamed (can't remember exact words), he was saying that she of all people should know that the editors can make things seem different than they really are, she should know this because she is on a tv show. I really don't know why he was so rude, maybe he is under stress and has to do all these appearances because of his contract with Fox. I think maybe he was only rude to Leah. I thought he was pretty out of line being so rude and somewhat harsh with her. As a guest, I beleive he behaved badly, I was uncomfortable watching some of his segment on the View yesterday.

Rslover

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm glad he picked Zora but she didn't look that great. She is a pretty woman but that cheap looking dress (although I love that color) and those curls and ponytail made her look like she was going to the prom. With all the millions Fox made with their advertising, they could have at least gave them each a million. Then they would both be millionaires - well, before taxes anyway!

Rslover

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if this was posted already but I heard that Evan was on Howard Stern. He said that when he went to buy the outfit for Sarah, the host, Alex bought lingerie. She then appeared at his door and came on to him. That's why her time was cut from the show. She was supposed to be sitting and drinking the brandy, not Paul.

Vixeninvegas

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm just checking in with ya all to say I LOVED THE SHOW ENDING. It was perfect but then I have always believed in faily tale endings :)

It was totally a worthwhile watch for me - in fact I had company over last night from out of town & they thought something happened cuz I was laughing & sniffling so much.

WTG Evan & Zora - I hope you both do well - as a couple or on your own - doesn't matter - I think they are both nice down to earth people.

Texannie

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Evan said that Alex came on to him??

Marebear

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kellirippa - too funny!!

I was very happy about the way the show ended last night. What I really liked was the big (and I thought sincere) smile Evan had on his face when Zora said she would continue the journey. He looked so happy he just glowed, and she looked very happy too.

Sanfranjoshfan

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 11:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kellirippa - "After the show was over, there was a voice over announcing that next weeks reunion was the first time that the two would appear together in PUBLIC."

Actually, I checked the tape and it said:

"It's not over yet. Next week on Joe Millionaire...an interview you won't see anywhere else but here....Evan and Zora will be reunited for the first time since leaving the chateau. Will love bloom for this millionaire dollar couple?"

They didn't say it was the first time they were reunited "in public"...

I wonder how that worked out. One would think that after a handful of dates over a couple of weeks or so....then not seeing the other person for the next 3-4 MONTHS would put an awful strain on any new "relationship".

Ryn

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 11:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm - I would think if Alex really did that it woulda made the news big time - at least after he said it in Stern, I tend to take anything said on that show with a 1/2 a grain of salt.

Kellirippa - very funny indeed :)

Rslover, I said it earlier but might as well repeat it, FOX had no idea this show would be such a success, I was frankly shocked that they were willing to throw away a million when they really didn't need to, I mean they got 5 minutes of TV time out of the reaction.

Ginger1218

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 11:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well Ryn, you go one better than me, because I believe nothing I hear on Howard Stern. He makes me sick. His show makes me sick. Actually, wait, I never hear anything on Howard Stern, because I would not listen to it, but if someone tells me, then I don't believe it anyway LOL.

Realfan

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have mixed feelings about the ending. I realize I don't have strong feelings either way. It just left me sort of "meh" feeling. I think that's for several reasons:

Dislikes:

--The twist that wasn't. It was really just a cherry on the sundae, not a plot twist at all. Bad, bad Fox promo-ing and false promises from the butler (but I'll forgive him--he's so cute!).

--I still don't feel like I know who Zora (Snora) really is. She was turned into an icon for Cinderella, but what's she really like?

--Neither Snora nor Snarah reacted much to the "big news" that Evan wasn't rich. They just sat there. Snora especially didn't engage Evan in any kind of conversation. Sarah said a few words to him, at least. But the big revelation was DULLLLL... A dramatic letdown after such a very long build-up.

--Since Evan to me is no prince, I couldn't get too excited for Snora at the end. But if she's happy being poor, she probably picked the right unambitious, do-nothing guy. [I don't feel at all sorry for her being so poor, either. Yes, when she was a child; but now she's an adult on her own. Doesn't she work? Yet she manages to have only $189 in her checking account? Maybe I'm cruel, but cry me a river. That's just bad money management.]

--Poor Snora (I really don't dislike her--just am annoyed how they painted her without letting her have any personality--does good have to mean bland?). They sure put her in a fugly dress and hair style for the grand finish.

--Overall uneven editing. It seemed like the producers weren't sure whether to tell the story straight (as they did in the Paris dates episode), or make fun of everything (as they did in the woods & Disney episode). Consequently, I wasn't emotionally invested in the ending, because I had been "taught" by them that it was all a joke. In fact, I was expecting emotional fireworks and a blow-out, but was rewarded with an ultra-sappy romantic ending that could have been on the Bachelor. (This was the "satisfying ending" we were promised, I take it.) They were unmixy show styles.

Likes:

--I liked Snarah somewhat more than Snora, but wasn't emotionally invested in either one to
"win" or lose. I liked Snarah only for the fact the screen seemed to light up more when she came on. She had a personality made for TV (unlike Snora). So her parts--and her parts with Melissa laughing about the unreal necklaces--was funny, but the editors did show the convo about the necklaces being fake for far too long. We got it the first time (in real life, people repeat a joke several times, but it makes for dull TV). And she really did have that Grace Kelly thing going with her hair.

--I loved Evan's expression when Snora said she wanted to continue the journey. Sweet! He looked like he was genuinely glad--but I still didn't see the chemistry between them.

Interesting tidbit about Alex. Wonder if it's true?

Kelly Rippa was great today. I got to see her before a Dr. appointment and going to work.

Realfan

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<,I was frankly shocked that they were willing to throw away a million when they really didn't need to, I mean they got 5 minutes of TV time out of the reaction. >>

Oh, but Ryn, that made TONS of money on this show. A bazillion millions! And a lot of that was from the hype about the twist. That little ploy of giving each of them $500,000 probably gave them a 200-plus percent return on their investment!

Crazydog

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
But at the time they did it they would have had no idea that the show would have gotten such big ratings. For all they know, it could have been another dud like Temptation Island 2 or Bachelorettes in Alaska. Count me in as saying they didn't need to waste the money.

And I still believe that's not really a "shocking twist". It was easily forseeable. A "shocking twist" would have been if Paul was the millionaire, or if one of them had to make the choice between money or love, or if he was gay, etc. Their idea of what was "shocking" really fell flat with me.

Realfan

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know of anyone who thinks the 1 mil prize was "shocking," that's for sure. But considering what actors are paid for one episode of a drama or sitcom, it's still not that much money for Fox to cough up.

Realbiz

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
well, call it a "reward" - that is how I see the $1 million.

Still, easier than those who went to "survivor" for 39 days and went through all that...

Rabbit

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Though Fox may have meant the twist as being the million dollar surprise, that was not the major twist that they actually accomplished.

They took a show that most of us viewed as the meanest, lowest, most dishonest, trashiest premise of a Reality Contest Show and turned it into what most posters here saw as one of the most heartwarming and sweetest endings in Reality TV ever. For me that is the biggest twist in RTV history.

I read this thread after viewing and it is interesting to see how like me, everyone was looking for a train wreck and and a mean or nasty twist and we got something quite different.

Even the million dollars wasn't that bad as a twist in that I read tons of speculation here on the board and elsewhere and I can't recall a single person getting it right.

Even if it was heavily edited or the fix was in. I got more from it than I was expecting.

Brenda1966

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Realfan -- their definition of "shocking" is certainly different than mine. If Zora had confessed to being a man, that would have been shocking! But giving them 1 million to split was a nice, happy ending but not shocking. I really wish Fox would quit underestimating the intelligence of their audience.

I don't think Alex was cut because she flirted with Evan. She was cut because she stunk. The little footage we did see was so stiff I felt uncomfortable watching.

Joe Millionaire will not rank as one of my favorite reality shows, and while I think the editing could have been tighter with less recap and repeat, I did enjoy what Fox did with it and the finale was good for me.

Myjohnhenry

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"Shocking" seems to be a buzz word used to draw people in to watching the show in the reality tv world and imho should be taken just as that.
Check out all the posts in the Bachelorette thread about the teasers about the most shocking rose ceremony yet.

Car54

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I never heard shocking..I remember them saying it would be a "satisfying" ending. (For everyone but me).

Kristy...you are right...they ALWAYS say it will be shocking...and it almost never is.

Zipsdaddy

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The look on Sarah's face was priceless: "What??!! I just gave you a bl@w J@b last night in the woods and you picked HER!!!??!
.... just priceless..... she blew $500,000 also.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was closer to shocking than, say, a rose ceremony, or someone voting differently than promised at a tribal council.

Rabbit, I share your sentiments.. that what was planned as a show to reveal the bad side of people (which it did at times) came to a satisfying end when the money wasn't the overriding factor..

Hotlantan

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Zip, what Sarah actually thought was "this sucks more than I do...".

Rabbit

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey guys, Ryn said he was "frankly shocked" in his 12:04pm post. If someone shoots in a crowded room it only has to kill one person, not all of them, to make it a fatal shot. Ryn was Fox's designated shockee. We have a bonafide shocking ending here.

Karuuna

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
For such an awful show, I guess we can expect to find more like it ...

'Millionaire' crushes MJ, gets huge ratings

Fox's highest-rated non-sports show of all time

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 Posted: 3:39 PM EST (2039 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- Unknown to the world just a few weeks ago, Evan Marriott has overthrown the King of Pop -- at least, on network television.

Marriott, of course, was the make-believe moneybags of Fox's "Joe Millionaire" who, on the finale of this unscripted-but-staged mating dance, chose Zora over Sarah as his lady love.

Meanwhile, viewers roundly chose Marriott over Michael Jackson, the subject of rival specials on ABC and NBC.

According to Nielsen numbers, the "Joe Millionaire" finale, which aired 8 to 10 p.m. EST Monday, drew an average 34.6 million viewers. The audience soared to 40 million in the second hour.

This figure approaches that of last year's Academy Awards broadcast of 41.8 million. It was the highest series telecast on any network since CBS' premiere of "Survivor II" in January 2001 -- in the post-Super Bowl slot -- according to Fox, which also said it was Fox's highest-rated entertainment program ever.


The whole article can be seen at:
CNN Story

Texannie

Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 01:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What would have been fantastic was to see Melissa M and Sarah's faces when they found out that Zora got $500,000!!!!!!!!!!!