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Fruitbat

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 04:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am with Wcv on Kelly. But I am not with her or any of you nay sayers, on Carmen.

There seems to be a repeated thought that she needs more coaching and time......and THEN she will be better........ready for this comptetion............etc. I think this is because of her age. She is as inconsistant as any of them.

Ruben seems to be the only one that is not getting feedback on this subject.

Jbean

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
kelly rocked! i can't wait to buy her cd on tuesday. for me, that was the highlight of the show. that girl can sing anything!

Realfan

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 05:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<I not seeing the Reuben thing either, Realfan, but I am not a fan of Barry White/Luther Vandross either, so I figure it's just me! LOL >>
Yeah, I don't have their records, either. Oops, I mean CDs (showing my age!).

Why do people think Clay has a Broadway voice? What's the difference between that and a pop voice? I don't really get the distinction--great pop songs come out of Broadway hits all the time. Is it in the delivery? Or style of song? Broadway has all kinds of song styles, though--rock, ballads, classical, jazz . . . Hmmm...

Car54, ITA about pop singers finding their niche and sticking to it. Which is why it annoys me when the judges tell the singers they need to stretch or they sounded the same last week. Well, duh! If I liked an artist, I wouldn't want them to start sounding DIFFERENT.

Mygetaway

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ladytex.. Thanks for the news on Kim L. I'm sorry she had to miss that taping.

BANDIT.. I promise I will never, ever, again call to see if a number of someone who I don't want to win is busy!! I did do it that once, and voted 5 times for Carmen. HOWEVER, I voted like 20 extra times for the others to make sure I cancelled out those votes.

Next week I will only vote for two people. (If I vote) I've been trying to avoid telling how obsessive I've been with the voting the last few times, but if you put all my posts together you could figure it out. I have 2 lines. I can get out 20 calls in one minute. I hang up as soon as it connects. By 9:15 I usually encounter no busy signals. So that gives me at least a full hour plus the 45 minutes worth of calling. My neck gets tired so I take a few breaks here and there, but you get the picture.

I don't get out much, so I consider this a form of entertainment..LOL You can send donations to put me into the funny farm at xyz.crazylady.tvch

Car54

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Kelly looked great but the bustier was too tight at the hips.

She sounded wonderful.

I think Carmen has improved a lot and clearly she has Simon rooting for her...he brought her in from left field...she just needs to pick songs that suit her and not yodel. Wasn't she the one he called the "all American girl" in auditions or something like that? Or was that someone else?

Alisons

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 07:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
To me it is really obvious that the Trenyce and Carmen fans were on overdrive this week, and that is what skewed the results. But to be fair, last week was the only time Carmen was in the bottom three, so she does have a fan base. I did not think she was so bad singing "Call Me" - she really did sound like Debby Harry, just did not have the hard edge to go with it. I think they called it when they said "Wrong song for your image." Personally, I like the girl and would rather listen to her than Josh, and Kim L just rubs me the wrong way despite having a nice voice. For future American Idol contestants - do NOT wear a hat. Call it the Ricky Rule.

Kady

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wonder if they actually just pick the songs themselves. I hear so many times...bad song choice. It would seem to me they would have someone helping to pick a song to show off their talents.

Allisons...love the Ricky Rule. That sounds cute. Poor Rickey...he was such a sweet guy. I hated to see him leave before some of the others. That took alot of guts for him to sing Endless Love in front of Lionel Ritchie. :)

Seamonkey

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
By the way.. Kelly's song was co-written by Christina Aguilara.. not for her.. That was on one of the 7pm shows, maybe the one with Paula, maybe the other.. I flip between them and mostly don't pay attention.

Lionel and Paula are milking Simon's comment for all it is worth.. and what is it worth, you ask?
Well, Lionel has a new album out.. I'd be willing to bet it was a total setup.. with Simon going along with them. But whatever, he's getting face time, at a time when he wants face time.

Danimom

Thursday, April 10, 2003 - 09:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The song Kelly sang seemed like it was a nice song, the problem was giving it to Kelly to sing. As we can see, her career is just about over, the true talent from the first AI didn't win... not to worry....... tick tick tick tick tick tick.. she's got about 12 minutes left.

Wcv63

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 05:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Heh Danimom. There are many of us that disagree with that statement. But many of the other talents from AI1 will be putting out albums as well and you can buy your favorites. For me it happens to be Kelly.

Fruitbat, I think Carmen is a sweet girl with a raw talent. I just believe it is a little too "raw" right now. She does have a unique sound.

As for Josh...I think his time on AI is coming to an end unless he has more fans than I realize. His sound just doesn't fit the competition IMO.

Seamonkey...the song Kelly sang was originally intended for Christina's "Stripped" album but she never finished it. Kelly took the song and finished it, hence the co-writing credits.

Kelly has said that her favorite song on Thankful is a song called "You Thought Wrong"; a duet between her and Tamyra. They share co-writing credit. I can't wait to hear it.

Texannie

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 06:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw Debby Harry at the Beau Rivage in MS last summer and as bad as Carmen sang (and I thought it was awful) she really did sound like her now!!! ;)

Crazydog

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 07:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, I do think Clay has a Broadway voice. For me it's the delivery. His voice is powerful like most Broadway singers and the way he sings he just keeps building to the zenith part of the song and then just lets it all out at full force.

The reason why I dislike him is because no matter what song he sings he sings this way EVERY single time. It's getting boring. Plus he has zero stage presence. As far as finding a niche and sticking to it, that's fine for some singers. But I can just imagine a CD by Clay where every single song sounds exactly the same.

He needs to show more variety in his presentation and delivery. He can make even a peppy upbeat song like "Everlasting Love" boring and unemotional. It's supposed to be a fun song, and I just didn't get that when he sang it.

Pantageas

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Crazydog! I tell people who ask that Clay(IMHO) reminds me of a singer like Michael Crawford. Fantastic voice, good delivery. But raise your hands high and proud if you go out to clubs to dance at "Phantom" or if Michael Crawford is what you put on at parties...

Fluff

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rotfl Pantageas!

Ladytex

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
*raises hand!

j/klol

Bandit

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Pantageas!!!!

I'm not dissing Clay in any way, but that is an excecllent analogy! If anyone here puts on "Music of the Night while they're cleaning the house, I'd be surprised. Excellent song, excellent singer, but not "Pop Icon."

Hummingbird

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Clay could sing anything except country and he is still my favorite. I thought Kelly's pants were too tight and unflattering to he figure but the song was okay. Didn't blow me away as Randy often says.

Hobbs

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This all come down to what kind of idol are we looking for. A pop idol? A crooner? A Barry/Luther? The producers (who will eventually make all the $ from the idol) want someone that is going to sell records. And who buys records? The under 30 crowd. So they want some one that will attract to those people. A pop star. Who could that possibly be? Hmmmm, let me think... Carmen! They can't legally change the votes, but they can scew(?) how she comes off on screen. (She got the commercial with Ruben). If they have their way she could make it to number 2 or 3. I've stated many thoughts about this earlier in this thread.

I personnaly love Barry White and Luther Vandross, so I'm really into the Ruben thing. I think he'll take it, but he'll never be a pop star like Kelly is about to become.
hobbs

Djgirl5235

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay Bandit, I'm being serious - I actually do put on Phantom of the Opera, or Les Miserables when I'm cleaning... So I guess I should colour you surprised???

Hobbs

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is my impression of Djgirl cleaning house.
hobbdance

Rissa

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
heehee Djgirl, me too. LOL Actually my current fave is the Soundtrack to Joseph, and I had a good two month period where Les Mis was played on a daily basis.

Beachcomber88

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hobbs, lol! I need to learn how to do those kind of things.

I'm with Crazydog and Pantageas. I used to be a big Clay fan. Loved the makeover he underwent. His new haircut made his ears less noticeable. His new wardrobe attempted to make him more hip. Thought, way to go, Clay - you give hope to a lot of aspiring kids out there who don't "look" like the perfect pop icon.

But one thing that his makeover couldn't hide is the simple fact that he's not a pop performer. He's got no rhythm. He can't dance. He can't shake his booty. He can't even sway without looking awkward. Clay would be fine to listen to if I only had audio from my tv and no video, but that's not what we want from the winner.

Crazydog, I agree - he's boring. Is it only me that thinks his facial expressions, his slight deferential nods/bows to the judges, his mouthing of "thank you's", and his "I really hope you like me" look in his eyes is eerily reminiscent of Justin from last year? Couldn't stand that then. Can't stand it now.
Move on over Clay, Ruben's steamrolled through!

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mine is Duran Duran. I like to sing along to Hungry Like the Wolf and Rio while I wash the dishes. Yes, I know that I am a geek.

<Deej, check your folder.>

Hobbs

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione, your not a geek. You're cool in my book.

Beachcomber, Clay may not have rhythm, but he sure had the right moves with Carmen during that opening number. Did anybody hear at the end of the song someone in the background say, "Did they kiss?"
hobbs

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Clay has an awesome voice, and like I said before, I would pay to see him on Broadway.
However, he has some annoying habits that are becoming distracting for me.

When he gets praise from a judge or cheers from his fans, he cocks his head in a self depreciating way and mouths a silent, theatrical ~thank you~ with a gushing hand to the heart movement.

When he gets critisizm, he sticks his lower lip out in a child-like pouty way.

When he is waiting for the results of the call in vote, he cringes and cowers and puts his head over on whoever he is sitting next to while clutching their hands with both of his. This drama queen act is getting old. He is never in the bottom three, and Ryan tells him every week America loves him when he reads the results. There is no need for it.

I still enjoy hearing him sing, he has got pipes, that's for sure, just lose the theatrical affectations. I think this is one reason some are seeing him as broadway and not a pop star. His mannerisms speak to that. jmo