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Max

Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, tonight was Aaron's turn on the grill.

First, I have to say that after tonight's show, Gwen is definitely my favorite. I know I keep changing my mind, but that's the way it goes! :)

Gwen's family was great. Very nice folks and they seemed to have good questions for Aaron and like what he had to offer.

Brooke's family was...well, everything I guess I expected. I'm still shocked that no one mentions her father in jail, but maybe that's just me. Her family is very close and loving. That "Alabama room" was off the hook! He definitely has one heck of a collection, probably some of it is quite valuable. At least he didn't have a confederate flag in there! The crack about the brother who is a Marine was funny, almost. I thought they stayed serious a little too long. They are obviously very close-knit. Somehow, though, it didn't seem like Aaron fit in very well with the good old southern values they had going on. Maybe that's just me.

Angela... Okay, after meeting her roommate, I would have been heading for the airport! That seemed like one heck of a toxic woman to me. And after seeing her family, it's apparent why she's so guarded. That's just not a family that's really close, at least it didn't seem like it. They talked about surface stuff, but I got the impression it doesn't get too deep. And when they were leaving and her sister said something about happy birthday since we missed it. Very cold. She said as she was leaving that she worries about being "an old maid" (I hate that expression) and about really being the b*tch some people think she is. She said she has a hard time believing in true, lasting love. Seems like her roommate feels that way, too. My first reaction to her parting statement? Lose the toxic roommate! That won't solve the whole thing, but it sure doesn't help to live with someone who is that negative (you can call it skeptical, but it was negative to me). I hope she works through some of the coldness factor, 'cause she seems like a nice girl.

Helene's family was a kick. I still think she's too harsh, though. Some here have compared her to Shannon from last year and I think that about covers it. Except I liked Shannon more. :)

All I can say is GO GWEN!!!

Shortnsweet

Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 11:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
>>My first reaction to her parting statement? Lose the toxic roommate! That won't solve the whole thing, but it sure doesn't help to live with someone who is that negative <<

I am with you there, Max. Did you hear what Aaron said to Angela in the limo after the meeting with the roommate? I thought it had something to do with "watch out", but I'm not sure.

Fabnsab

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 02:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good show...Gwen is still my favorite. I am so glad Angela got the boot tonight. Her roommate was something, alright. At least she was upfront. She probably knew Angela really didn't want to be there with him.

Brooke is the cutest thing in the world. I think she and Aaron would do well together. I think she needs a good downhome boy though. That would make her family happy.

I have come to the conclusion that Aaron has no personality. I am sorry but he is droll, very, very droll. He always seems ill at ease, except when he is kissing the girls. He never seems to be truly having a good time. I just dont know about him...

My vote is for Brooke or Gwen.

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 04:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't think that he connected with any of the families.

If I were in a family I wouldn't have asked questions at all. What difference does it make. He is doing the choosing. Just have fun, show him yourself and talk about movies, books......anything to establish rapport.

It would be necessary for me to find out if he can recite the lines to any Monty Python skit or movie.

Rabernet

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 04:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm so mad! I wanted to see this so bad, and my cable went out yesterday afternoon!!!! It's still out this morning, and all they will tell me is "service technicians are working on this and will have it back up as soon as possible". When I ask for more detail, all they say is "we're sorry for your frustrations". I finally said "you sound like a broken record and your're not telling me anything I don't already know!!!!" "we're sorry for your frustration".....arghhhhhhhh!!!!! I finally just hung up in disgust! It BETTER be fixed for Survivor tonight!!!!

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rabernet. Let me make you feel better. You really did not miss that much. Meeting the parents was kind of dull. It was strained with each family to a large degree and I thought boring. All had the same questions. There was little interaction between he and the women. They all asked him questions, he thanked them and moved on to the next family.

Angela's roomate (they stopped there before going to her family) asked pointed questions and had an edge of anger. One question: she asked Angela, would she say yes if asked. She said she didnt know. Alex was on the hot spot too. That segment was very short.

The highlight in the families was Brookes step Dad. He had an entire room (huge) dedicated to the state of Alabama. It was loaded with the junk tourists buy in gas stations. Huge shelves were the letters of the state. I would have run like the wind.

We saw more of Angela. She was distant and cool. This is her nature and in the limo, after she was eliminated, she aknowledged this was a problem for her and worried that she would end up an 'old maid'. He told her the reason she did not receive a rose was that he knew her the least. This did not come as a surprize and she did not cry.

Mack

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 05:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Angela indeed did not seem as upset about Aaron not giving her a rose as she did about her own failure, now and in the past, to be more open. For a short, highly edited TV show, it really was an interesting moment of introspection on her part. As for Aaron's choices last night I don't think that the visits with the friends and parents did much more than eliminate Angela. All in all not the most "exciting" show of the series. My wife and I watched the whole show with the expectation some more interesting scenes or information would be forthcoming and it just didn't happen. After last night's show we still believe Gwen has the inside track. Barring any new information we think that Helene is gone next time.....but stuff happens.

Conejo

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Angela's roomate: "Single White Female"

Run Angela!!
Run Aaron!!

Back2reality

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 06:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I could be wrong but it seemed like they spent more time on the "Meet the Parents" part of the first Bachelor show. It felt really rushed to me last night.

Angela was the smart choice to leave. He didn't know her as well and she really didn't seem like she was into him much at all. The psycho roomate didn't help. In the car, it seemed like she was saying something about how her roomate sabotages things. Ok..so why are you guys roomates? I don't think I would want to live with someone like that. I agree - her family didn't seem close. The whole "Happy Birthday since we missed it" was ackward. Angela just said "Thanks" and left.

Helene is definately this year's Shannon. She asks a lot of questions about how he feels about her, makes comments on what he is doing with the other girls, and seems to want him to say that he will pick her. While I understand these feelings, She should have known going into it that this would be the situation. Watching him deal with her makes me tired.

Brooke is a nice girl. I wouldn't say she is immature but her age shows. She really needs to deal with the Dad in jail issue.

Gwen has been my favorite since the first show. She seems like the only one without any "baggage." Although I know she is a few years older than he is, I don't really feel it.

Gwen is my first choice. Brooke would be my second.

Marymc

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Brooke's stepdad having a "room" (or shrine) to U of A (not the state, the university) is a very southern thing. all my uncles and male cousins have various theme rooms (would make doug on trading spaces proud). it was all school memorabilia and some of it is probably quite valuable, not kitschy roadside stuff. with it hitting the internet exactly what her daddy is in prison for, she really needs to lose the "i'm so proud of him" B.S.....makes her sound like a psycho being proud of a serial rapist that stalked underage girls. she seems like a nice girl, but SOOOO not ready for marriage.

that being said, angela could probably do well with an apartment by herself and some good counseling. maybe get herself a dog and take some fun night classes. her dad continually bringing up her checkbook was painful and her whole family's lack of substance would make anyone cut her loose.

Helene is his challenge and there's obviously something attractive to him about that. her negativity and constantly referring to this as a game is a major turnoff and i think she's using that as a wall so he doesn't think she's getting too attached. will be easier to blow off the whole ordeal if and when he cuts her loose. i wonder if aaron thinks she will keep life interesting as opposed to the sugar-coated "sure honey, anything you want" types that he was barraged with on the show.

in the end, gwen seems the most stable, most pleasant and he obviously finds her physically attractive. with her getting the cinderella date (which even made this old cynic melt) it almost seems as though the show has been pushing for her to be chosen. she seems the most likely to be offered (and accept) the ring.

next week it would be REALLY nice if none of them slept with him. i'd have a HELLUVA lot more respect for him AND each of them. there is a time for that before marriage (i believe.....i'd never buy shoes without trying them on) but with the camera's rolling and all of us gawking about it, i'd prefer to leave that for after the show is over. it will seem like a desperation ploy, anyone that sleeps with him next week. as one of the father's on "Meet the Parents" said to his son (as he was using his power to make two of the girls vying for him kiss in the hot tub), aaron, "BE A GENTLEMAN".

Mack

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 08:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hard to tell what might happen next week, and obviously it's already happened, but my "guess" would be that Helene would not sleep with Aaron, Brooke might, and Gwen probably would. Now, if Christie and Heather were still around.....I don't know if Aaron could have kept them away! :-) What makes "good" TV doesn't always make good real life relationships.

Denecee

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 08:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Aaron was most attracted to Helene last night. He seemed to be most comfortable with her.
Gwen is too good for him and Brooke is too cute for him. LOL
I thought it was funny that Aaron told Angela to "watch out" for her roommate.

Realfan

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 08:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Guess I'm in the minority. I like Helene best. Gwen is nice, and probably the best fit for BORING Aaron, but Helene jokes and sparks off of him for than the others. She's the one I'd want for a friend.

Angela was dull as dishwater, too. So was her family.

I'm also in the minority that I kinda liked the roommate's tough questions. SOMEONE should be asking them. And Aaron "must put best foot forward no matter what I really think" isn't being held to answer these tough questions by anybody else. I also want to know what he sees in each of the girls, and how he's choosing them. It didn't sound like he could come up with much. When I was falling in love, I could easily say WHY--great sense of humor, sweet-natured, treats me right, smart, etc. Aaron has nothing to say. Whether he's really hiding what he feels, or feels nothing, I don't know. But I am SO not impressed with him.

He has no wit, either. Has he ever cracked a joke, even to wiggle out of an uncomfortable question? All I see are his "evasive maneuvers," which he is constantly employing. I have no idea who this guy really is. No wonder the girls and parents keep trying to figure it out.

On Brooke's dad--EEEWWWW!!! And she's "proud" of him? Oh, ugh. I think she DOES know what he's in for, but doesn't want to say it. Or maybe she's in denial.

Oh--Did anyone else notice the water theme last night? Every time he visited a home town, they went and stood by the railings looking at the water. First was Niagara Falls (took me back to when I lived near there!). Then the river at Pennsylvania--almost the same scene as at Niagara Falls. The others were in water shots, too.

Final thought--I could so predict Angela would go. A final clue was that Aaron didn't smile when he watched her tape. Anybody else notice that?

Realbiz

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/ne/20021030/103599000005.html

the above link tells why Brook's dad is in prison. i'm still in shock.

Cliotheleo

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks MaryMc, I must admit as a "Bama" fan, a couple of the posts had me cringing just a wee pit. :)College football is like a religion in this part of the world. I don't know how many football fans we have on this thread, but Brooke's dad having a hat that once belonged to Bear Bryant would be akin to a Michael Jackson fan having one of his gloves. I mean that is SERIOUS business and the man must have some kind of connection (wondering what it was) for "The Bear" to have given it to him personally.

Also, being an avid college football fan in the south doesn't necessarily mean one is also into confederate flags. My Dad is one of the biggest Bama fans you'll meet but he is also a (white) member of the NAACP. We're a pretty diverse bunch of folks down here, some of us even manage to refrain from marrying our siblings. (ha ha)

I don't mean any offense, just wanted to reply about a couple of things. As you can see, in this part of the world, when it comes to football, we don't play.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Football is King. Go Hokies!

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been educated. The stuff in the Alabama room looked like souvenirs to me. I saw nodders and banners and T-shirts and hats and figurines. My mistake. I am neither a sports fan nor southerner and do not claim to understand this obsession.

I, too, am shocked about Brookes father. It may be wise to stop saying she is proud of him. I wonder why she is proud and of what? A question that needs to be addressed to be sure.

I like Helene too. I think she is the next to go, however. I don't care for Brooke at all and I dont find her attractive. Her low hairline and hair style contributes to me not finding her looks pleasing. Nice young woman but not someone I can relate to.

It is no surprize that Angela is cool after meeting her family. The birthday wish was downright sad.

Avrey258

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the updates about last nights show. I was flipping between The West Wing and The Bachelor and missed most of the visit with Angela's family. I got to see the last minute when Angela was saying good-bye to her family. It was so awkward. No hug good-bye?

I read the yahoo article regarding Brooke's father and was anyone else shocked that he raped a fourteen year old girl at gunpoint and got only three years? I don't understand that at all.

I am not impressed with Aaron. He seems so boring and stiff. Does anyone know when he will bring the girls home to meet his family? I can't wait for that.

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well it is down to three now and next week he will have overnight dates and narrow it to two........then home to mom and dad the following week and propose to Gwen.

Bac2fan

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, the football thing here in Alabama is wild. When I first moved here the second question after "What church do you go to" was "Are you an Auburn or Alabama fan?" It is crazy. You know how at Christmas if you like fishing you get all sorts of fishing related stuff and a lot of it is cheezy but you have to put some of it up anyway at least when the family who gave it is around. SOME of that stuff was probably like that but the majority of the room had some seriously valuable stuff. I wouldn't want a room like that but it obviously makes them happy so more power to them.

I posted on the Gwen fan post so I won't repeat it all here but I definetly hope Gwen wins at this point. Brooke is great, Helene is NOT. But I agree that Aaron is very blah and Gwen is also a little blah but that isn't a crime either. ABC should fire the people that thought he was so great. He is talented, nice looking, a decent guy, and boring boring boring. Gwen is quiet and seems like a very nice person but also a little on the boring side so they should make the perfect couple.

Do you all really think that Brooke's father's past will and should hurt her? I feel so bad for her and since I am not involved I'd say it doesn't matter. But if I am perfectly honest with myself, if my son married her I would have to worry about what kind of genes would be passed down to my grandchildren. It is a tough issue.

Minnyace01

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, being a male on a female dominated board, I'll go out on a limb and state my two cents worth. I don't really see what everyone sees in Gwen. To me, there is no chemistry between Aaron and her. If you watched the body language between Aaron and all of the ladies in the limo, he was very close to both Helene and Brooke, and was very distant to both Gwen and Angela. He wanted to be with Helene and Brooke, but had to be with Gwen and Angela. It was no surprise that Angela sent packing last night, there was nothing there either, but it is going to be Gwen going home next week. It will end up going down to the wire between Brooke and Helene, but Helene will win him over in the end.

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Bac....I am not picking up on anyone saying her fathers actions should be taken into consideration or reflect on her.....but.........your last paragraph is hysterical. Read it again. LOL!

And I agree that I may think the same be it accurate or not. Thoughts do cross our minds.

The one thing that alarms me is her saying repeatedly that she is proud of her father. It is a tad chilling. Now maybe she means that he has had conversations with her and has shown remorse and is in therapy and working on this.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Now maybe she means that he has had conversations with her and has shown remorse and is in therapy and working on this."

Nice thought, Fruitbat. One can hope.

Minny, we are thrilled to have you as one of the males on a female-dominated board! I think most of us respond positively to Gwen because she has shown the least amount of cattiness. She seems incredibly sweet. On a purely physical standpoint, I think that Helene and Brooke or more attractive than Gwen because they both have a vibrancy that makes you look at them while Gwen fades a little bit.

I think he is attracted to all of the women left and is going to have a difficult time choosing. I do tend to lean towards Helene being gone because in the previews there were a couple of shots of her with a pissy look on her face and I think that he will get tired of it no matter how attracted he is to her, especially when he has two women he is also attracted to waiting in the wings who don't make him feel defensive.

Ariasmum

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Gwen did seem very natural. Her funny little dad reminded me of mine. Did anyone notice at the end when she hugged him good-bye he only half embraced her? It looked like he kept his one hand in his pocket. I'm sure my dad's done that. Some families are just more affectionate than others. At least Gwen's family seemed to like each other!

Poor Angela. It was so obvious that he'd be cutting her loose. Her family couldn't care less about anything but soccer and Angela's finances! And man, I'd say it's time to get a new roommate! She'd scare any of Angela's potential suitors off if they have to deal with her first! I may be wrong, but Aaron and Angela never did kiss, did they?

I'm not sure how much to believe in that article on Brooke's dad. It is the Enquirer afterall isn't it? That Alabama room was too much for me! I think her family is too close to be happy with their little Southern Belle moving so far away. Aaron made it quite clear that he will not relocate.

As for Helene, I don't know about her. Her brothers seemed to approve but not her sister-in-law. It was a nice family visit and he sure seemed happy to see her. She's playing it.

Aaron doesn't really seem that well travelled for a guy that spent a year in Italy. He didn't even know what an Eskimo kiss was! Or is it something us Canucks are just more familiar with?

Rabbit

Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Brooke's smile and playfulness but could not stand her step-father. He would try to somehow justify Alabama being awarded the AP poll title in 1978 over USC, after USC beat U of A soundly on their own field, and had the same record while playing a tougher schedule. A complete farce.

Gwen, bleah.

Amanda, bleah.

Helene, grating voice, but us males can tune out female voices so maybe.

No, Heather from Texas is the the one. Call her back into the game. That girl had the spunk to be an asset and partner in building the family empire.