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Crazydog

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 06:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was in very poor taste for Kirsten to be so bitter, saying it made her sick to think that Andrew was proposing to Jen. What a poor loser. Just like Charlie saying "what happened here tonight was ridiculous" when he lost.

I agree that Kirsten is prettier than Jen, but the personality was definitely unattractive. Jen seems very girl-next-door. And Tina (Fabulous) was more attractive than both of them, except for when she pulled all her hair back into a very severe look at the rose ceremonies. But her personality was even worse than Kirsten's.

A big bwaahaahaa to Kirsten! She deserved to lose. The comment about how she wasn't all that interested in Andrew until she found out he was a Firestone was enough to make me dislike her.

Texannie

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 06:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't you love how Andrew's sister kept trying to impress upon Kirsten that they WORKED for their money and it wasn't a free ride!!!

Julieboo

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What is the family "hippopotomas nose" thing?

I also am leery of people who don't like animals.

Needmylifeback

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Substance vs. Superficial....I too am pleased at the outcome....

Nobody has mentioned the "LOOK" that Kirsten gave Andrew when he mentioned that his family had told him what she said about her boyfriend AND SHE HAD A KNIFE IN HER HAND! ! ! PSYCHO!!!!!! ("As far as I'm concerned I've broken up with him...[I guess I should have told him to his face or at least written him a note...LOL- that's my take on the pause]...we were together for three years but it should have ended 1 1/2 years ago...but, we like still hang around like friends.....")

And then when the credits were rolling and the sister was talking about the 'hippopotamus nose' and "Mom" showed everyone what it was all about...and Andrew could do a smaller version of it and they got Jen to try it and she could do her own version of it and everyone was roaring...well that just tells you she will fit into that family....as comfortable as she is with Andrew....heres hopin' they have lots of babies to fit around that large table!

Oh and I cringed everytime Kirsten would say something negative about Jen...and Jen had so much control to NOT diss Kirsten! (" I can't possibly see Jen here...she doesn't like animals!"..."I don't see Jen fitting in here at all"...."I don't think Andrew has any real feelings for Jen..."....I, I , I, I, ... and she never gave any clear answer to any questions that they showed on the show..."I'm ambitious...I just don't know what I am going to do yet....[once I get that ring on my finger...I plan on doing a lot of shopping! - my insert for the pause...LOL!]

Demeter

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 07:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I did not watch the show until last night's finale, but I guess I understood Jen's discomfort around animals being different than what I am reading here.

She DID jump in there and try to pet the critters. I thought it was more that she was uncomfortable around animals and they make her anxious. She can adjust to the environment. She did not seem as though she was going to shy away from learning to get comfortable with them.

Maybe this had been addressed earlier in the season and she said she doesn't like animals. Sometimes that is just an expression of lack of experience in that kind of environment.

So, for only watching the show this one time, it certainly looked as though Andrew made the right choice.

Crazydog

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 07:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I especially loved how Kirsten was blubbering about how she put her life on hold for Andrew, and now she has to pick up the pieces and go on. She's, what, 23? Wow, I guess she's at such an advanced stage in her adult life that she's going to have a really hard time.

And she didn't really put her life on hold for HIM, per se. She put her life on hold to dig for gold, and now that she didn't find any, she needs to figure out a way to avoid dying of embarrassment and shame. Oh, poor me, I'm going to have to actually work. How dare Andrew and Jen ruin my dream of being a socialite housewife!!! A big "Pffffttttt" to Kirsten.

Julieboo

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Demeter. if the farm type animals were the only ones she was not comfortable with, I could understand. I think I might be worried about those abascus(??) the llama/sheep looking ones biting my hand too. But earlier she made it clear that she didn't want anything to do with dogs. (When Andrew was talking about having a dog as a pet.)

Marymc

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
they were alpacas....seriously, one of the most gentle creatures. i've done a lot of research on them, have even done illustration work for one of the many alpaca fams in the santa ynez valley and am considering raising them at some point in the future. i hope she gets over her fear of them because they are such lovely animals.

Fabnsab

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ON aol's video clip this week(go to aol keyword: Bachelor)Kirsten said she had never been dumped before and this was new to her. She also said that if Andrew decides he made the wrong decision in the future, he could call her. I am not making this up, I swear. Classy to the end, eh Kirsten!

Also Andrew and Jen were just talking about their feelings of the proposal and Jen was saying how nervous she was and how she grabbed the ring and realized it was the wrong thing to do and she sais she relaxed after she gave it back to him. He said it was great to finally tell Jen what he's been feeling.

Happymom

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Needmylifeback...Yes! The "LOOK"!!! I sure did notice that psycho "LOOK" too! Wow, what a look! And since Andrew never seemed to look at her when he was talking to her while he was making dinner, he probably didn't even see it! I'd love to hear about that look, but since he picked Jen we probably won't hear what he had to say about it when he saw it on tape. Maybe Jen will comment on it! Probably not though, she has too much class. Maybe the media will really press her or Andrew about the pscho Kirsten "LOOK"! I know this show is heavily edited, but it seems she never really told Andrew that she hadn't officially broken up with her boyfriend...or at least she never told the boyfriend they'd broken up!

Early in the show, I really thought he'd pick Kirsten, he was really taken with her. But as Jen came more into the picture, the way they were physically with each other reminded me so much of Trista and Ryan. (I thought they would end up together from the beginning of the Bachelorette when they took a walk and saw weddings. I thought this because of the way they were physically with each other.)

A lot of Andrew's spoken feelings about Kirsten in recent shows were not to her, but were voice overs. I'm guessing that the last couple of shows, these were edited in from much earlier in the whole process.

When Jen got the gift of matching robes and then left the Bach. pad wearing Andrew's shirt, I really thought those were big hints that she was the one. Even though, he still had the final date with Kirsten still to come, I think giving Jen the gift and letting her wear his shirt were to try to let her know she was the one. I think he was trying to comfort her and let her know without telling her.

Maybe Kirsten got a gift too and they didn't show it, I doubt it though. If Kirsten would have received a gift from Andrew that night on their last date at the Bach. pad, they would've shown it to try to make the viewers beleive Kirsten was the one chosen in the end. IMO.

Did Jen ever say she didn't like animals? A few shows ago,I know she talked about if they (as a couple) got a dog she asked if he could be the one to clean up after it. Maybe she just has never been around animals much. If she didn't have any growing up, she probably wouldn't be inclined to get any as an adult living on her own. She didn't seem opposed to having them though. Also, if she hasn't had much experience around animals, being around large animals like llamas would most likely be intimidating.

I don't think Jen won because Kirsten messed up with the whole boyfriend thing. I think Andrew was leaning toward Jen for a long time, the show is just highly edited to keep us in suspense. I'm sure there were a lot of loving moments between Andrew and Jen that were never shown. I also think they showed only the best moments of Kirsten and Andrew's time together, for the most part. Just my opinion.

Happymom

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Texannie, I agree! It was great how Andrew's sister was telling Kirsten that "Andrew works because he HAS to work." LOL!! Watching that part almost made me uncomfortable for her...almost.

Realfan

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Demeter, as a former "uncomfortable with animals" person. I now have a dog, and he's wonderful! But before him, I would always shy away from others' dogs (or kids, for that matter). After becoming a mother, I was fine with babies. It's a level of experience/comfort that she will gain with time. Besides, who wouldn't want to pet an alpaca? They're so soft! Often, it's not the animal, per se, but having to clean up or smell its poop. Also, the smell takes some getting used to (in terms of ranch animals).

Needmylifeback, YES, ITA with your entire post. I noticed the psycho look, too. It was comical. And she still gave a non-answer. Stupid Andrew for not pushing for better answers earlier. Blinded by lust, I guess. Didn't Kirsten practically say his family was stupid for misunderstanding her situation and drawing conclusions. I thought that's what I heard.

It was obvious the sisters didn't care for Kirsten. Maybe they decided not to show some private talks with Andrew because it would alert us to who he picked.

I was rooting for Jen since there were about ten women left. I just like her. She seems warm and genuine and a little shy. I loved how she got along so well with his family! I think she looked sort of like them. I really noticed how comfortable they were with each other physically after their first one-on-one date. He was hanging all over her, tucking him into his arm, kissing her in the limo--not like with Christina, for instance, whose aggressiveness clearly made him uncomfortable.

I never thought Kirsten was that gorgeous. I guess Andrew did, though.

Avrey258

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Can someone please answer a question or two about Kirsten? I watched the show but I must have missed something. What does Kirsten do for a living? I know she told the sister she was ambitious.
Second question, When did Kirsten say she was interested in Andrew once she found out he was a "Firestone"?
Thanks in advance.
Avrey

Bandit

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm so excited for Andrew and Jen!!!! They look so cute together, and yes, I think they are genuinely in love.

Who cares which one is prettier? That's not what this is about. For the record, I think that Jen is waaayyy prettier. Kirsten looks too much like Jennifer Love Hewitt sometimes and that bugged me.

Plus, age wise-Jen is a much better fit. Kirsten has some maturing to do. And I'm sooooo glad I don't have to hear Kirsten and her annoying voice anymore--like nails on a chalkboard!!! She was very much a sore loser about the whole thing and I'm glad she's not the future Mrs. Firestone!!! (I wish I was...but that's beside the point...)

Kellsma

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did you notice last night how many times Kirsten commented about being at the Firestone Vineyard.
"I am so excited to be at the Firestone Vineyard" THEN she said, I am excited to meet Andrew's family. Think your priorities are wrong Kirsten!She mentioned it more than once. Really showed me what she seemed to be more interested in, the vineyard and the name. I was thrilled when he picked Jen and I hope they will be happy.

Crazydog

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey, Kirsten was listed as "merchandiser". I have no idea what that means. I don't know if that means she's a cashier or a purchasing agent for a huge department store. Could be anything. Probably means "unemployed". She told the sister that she's trying to decide what she wants to do. It goes without saying that she probably meant, that is, if Andrew doesn't choose me so I can stay at home, spend money and eat bon bons.

As far as saying she was interested in Andrew as a Firestone, I don't think it was ever definitively said. But if I recall correctly, her interest in him certainly seemed to increase a hundred fold after she learned his famous family name. And then there was that comment that Tina Regular said about how one of the girls seemed more interested in Andrew Firestone than Andrew Anonymous. She didn't say it was Kirsten but I thought it seemed clear she was referring to her.

Happymom

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One of Andrew's family members asked Kirsten what her degree was in. I can't remember her answer, something like Magazine something. It had the word magazine in it. Maybe someone can remember?

Bandit

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Magazine Journalism.

Happymom

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last night after the Bachelor, the ABC affiliate in San Francisco showed Andrew's San Francisco apt. and his roommate on the news. They mentioned Andrew and Jen would be arriving on Tues. (I think they said Tues.) (On the ABC website, Andrew also mentioned Jen coming to SF.) They mentioned changes made because of Jen, such as a bed in Andrew's bedroom instead of the mattress on the floor that used to be there. I'm wondering if Jen is planning on living there in the apt. with Andrew and the roommate. I cannot imagine this being a wonderful situation with the roommate there, especially since they are in their late 20's, it seems so college. If this would be the case, if I was Jen, that would really bother me, the whole roommate thing if Andrew expects Jen to live there. I certainly understand Andrew having the roommate, I know his family has a lot of $, but it seems he is expected to pretty much make it on his own (good for his family!) and SF rent is VERY expensive even for tiny not too decent apts.

Happymom

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Bandit.

Fabnsab

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
She is a merchandiser for a home shopping network. I still don't know what that particular job entails but thats what she does. I believe that HSN is based out of florida so it may be them.

When she told his family she was ambitious, I cringed. I am sorry but you don't tell a room full of old money millionaires that you're ambitious. That is a red flag immediately.

Mlt

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else notice that when Kirsten was telling Andrew's family what her family's reaction was to finding out that Andrew was a Firestone she kept saying it made them "weary". Or was I hearing that wrong? (I want to see the original or a certified copy of her degree <g>)

As far as Tina's comment on the Girls Tell All Show about someone in her limo saying that Andrew was so not her type until she found out he was a Firestone. Since they all found out he was a Firestone that first night, I'd suspect it was someone in her limo on the way to the first party. I went back and looked at the pre-episode. In the limo with Tina were: Jen, Tiffany, Shannon and (drum roll please) Kirsten.

Llkoolaid

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I caught the weary too Mlt. She repeated it twice, so I am sure that is what she said. I kept thinking, what is she saying.

Crazydog

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Degree in Magazine Journalism = learning to read Modern Bride and Cosmo

Job as a merchandiser = answering the telephones when people call up to order the stuff on the Home Shopping Network

Kmjm

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the spoiler! I taped the show but before I watched it, I came here because I knew I couldn't bear to watch if Kirsten won. She's so annoying and fake. I thought that the foreshadowing of them seeing a wedding on their first date meant she was the one- just like Trista and Ryan. I'm so glad that the nice girl won for a change!