Archive through April 23, 2003
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Archive through April 23, 2003
Grooch | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:31 am     Well, I missed it, but I am assuming it's in relation to my post. If so, you're both right. It isn't worth it.  |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:44 am     Rissa, see what you say about Clay and his lack of stage presence is how I feel about Kim L. I think Clay has a lot of charisma, Ruben does too, but not as much IMHO, as Clay, and Kim L. has very little in my eyes. Kim. L might move around on stage more than these two, but overall, she just does not draw me into her performance at all and she doesn't seem to have a very engaging personality. Clay makes me sit up and stay glued to the screen. He seems very comfortable up there to me. My brother calls him "quietly confident" which I agree with. Ruben draws me in, but he doesn't give me goosebumps like Clay does. Kim L. does neither. I guess that just goes to make another argument for how much of it is in individual perception, particularly for these top 3. We all respond differently. I guess that is why there are so many different types of music in this world and so many different types of performers, LOL!!
Peace to all. I have a feeling it may get more and more heated from here on out as people get more and more invested in their favorite. Hopefully we can all keep our humor and respect. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:45 am     BTW, LLkoolaid, I think Trenyce is going tonight, too. I don't think she has the fan base to stay the way Josh and Carmen do. |
Ladytex | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:47 am     <i think what it boils down to is that people don't have any respect for good talent anymore..and that to me is SAD> That is <M>! Just because someone doesn't like Clay, does not mean that they do not respect good talent. There are all kinds of music and all kinds of singers. The reason for that is because people like different things. It does not make one right or wrong, it's just different. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:48 am     No Grooch, I agree with your earlier comment. I wasn't sure if Walker was directing an earlier comment at us, or at the judges, so I decided to edit my response. However, I do think that everyone here could benefit from taking a step back and reminding themselves that after all, it's just a TV show. I come here to TVClubhouse because I want a little fun in an otherwise mundane day. I do not come here to argue or to have my opinions about shows or certain contestants summarily dismissed because someone else happens to disagree with them. Lately it just seems like people here at TVCH take things so personally. People seem to have gotten extraordinarily sensitive. I can't pinpoint exactly when this happened. I lurked through most of BB2 and saw nothing but a fun happy place to post and exchange opinions about the houseguests. Then during BB3 everyone seemed to get majorily ticked off at things others said, and I can see this attitude coming back into AI. It's not as fun as it used to be. |
Essence | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 09:50 am     Hermione, if only that were possible. From the beginning, people have been getting their digs in on the performers they don't like in order to make the one they do like stand out. I agree with you that it's going to get worse. I don't remember it being this heated last year. There were a few jabs taken at some of the contestants, but nothing like what's been happening this year. I just hope that this board doesn't get as bad as some of the other ones. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:00 am     "There are all kinds of music and all kinds of singers. The reason for that is because people like different things. It does not make one right or wrong, it's just different." Well said, Ladytex! Essence, I know and I try to voice any kind of "I don't feel it" criticism respectfully, if that makes any kind of sense at all, because I know that everyone has fans. I hope that I haven't hurt anyone's feelings. Crazydog, I think people just get invested and it is hard not to take some things personally, especially when some of the comments are a little over-the-top. I'm not thinking of anyone or any post in particular, just a general feeling of things being more heated. And I am also one of the first to admit that I can be too sensitive and I try to watch that in myself and take a breather if I need to. I guess we should all just remember that the mods are here and they do their job well. SMILE, EVERYONE! ENJOY! |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:11 am     Crazydog, I just read that you compared Clay to Josh Groban. Someone else was telling me a couple of weeks ago that they thought I would love Josh Groban's music. Hmmm. Time for me to go to Best Buy? Pantageas, since I am the one that asked, you suggested Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman. I've never heard of either. Will have to check them out!
Thank you! |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:17 am     Yes, Josh Groban is kind of like an opera/pop ballad blend. I think he sang at one Superbowl (or maybe the Olympics) with Charlotte Church? Can't remember exactly. Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman are the original Phantom of the Opera and Christine Daae. I believe they were married at some point. Can't remember if you followed BB3 last summer, but Sarah Brightman's "Eden" is the CD that Amy got when she was Head of Household. I got it myself because of how much everyone in the house was raving about it. It's very soothing mood music - there's an Italian version of the Titanic song, among others. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:21 am     Thanks, Crazydog. I remember that now re: Amy and her CD, but didn't connect the dots. I'll have to give them all a whirl. Thanks again! |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:32 am     <<My comment doesn't make sense after the previous one was deleted, so I have edited mine.>> |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:39 am     In a way I think you are both right. Every one has differant tastes and like differant things. (It doesn't matter how great a rapper or country artist is, I will think they suck and have no talent). I don't think most people have the technical ability to judge who has the best voice. I know I don't, I just go by what I like to hear. Others make their picks by personality and looks. Whatever it is some have bigger fan bases than others. There is just no accounting for taste, sometimes. |
Foliage | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:39 am     FYI Sarah Brightman was married to Andrew Lloyd Webber who composed Phantom |
Vsmart | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:40 am     Sarah Brightman did a special on PBS with the wonderful blind Italian tenor Andrea Bocelli(spelling?). She used to be married to Andrew Lloyd Weber & was the lead in many of his shows. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:41 am     What happened here? |
Monkeyboy | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:45 am     my post got deleted |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:45 am     That's right, it was ALW she was married to, not Crawford. Sarah Brightman and Andrea Bocelli did a beautiful duet together called "Time to Say Goodbye". It's an English version of his famed "Con Te Partiro". That's the song that Oprah once called her favorite song and was chosen as one of the songs in the Bellagio fountain shows in Vegas. |
Walker | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:45 am     my previous comment must have been deleted because i used the H word..too bad..i thought it was a good question. |
Weenerlobo | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:47 am     Crazydog, I agree with a few things that you've said today. Sarah Brightman was married to Andrew Lloyd Webber for a while. Mr. Webber is responsible for bringing Phantom of the Opera and other notable and successful musicals to the stage to enjoy. I like a few of the remaining contestants a lot. There are one or two that I anticipate leaving, because I just don't enjoy listening to them. Unfortunately, I'm not as "into it" this year, as I was with Kelly/Tamyra/Justin/Nikki last year. Dunno if it's because it's not "new" this year, but it doesn't seem like anyone's really got that personality that sparkles for me, like Kelly's did. I really looked forward to every week to see what she would pull off. There seemed to be a lot more variety in the music themes too. I love Rueben's voice, and it is a joy to listen to, but I don't see how he really "changed it up" with last nite's song choice. It sounded like the R & B that he does so well all the time. I really liked it when he did Sweet Home Alabama, because there was some variety. This goes for everybody; I'd like to hear something different. But I don't place the blame entirely on the contestants; last year's show had the top 10 contestants go through a more diverse selection of music genres than this year. Seems like they are softballing. Edited to add: Ooops, didn't mean to be redundant about the Brightman/Webber thing - I took too long to type this post! |
Texannie | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:52 am     Hermione, you might also enjoy Linda Eder. She was in Jekyl and Hyde and has an incredible voice. She came out with a CD last year that is amazing. |
Calamity | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:04 am     My toes are tingling...people are talking about Broadway! Boy, you think it's rough being a Carmen fan just try and discuss the works of Jason Robert Brown with normal people! (I can hear everyone muttering, "who the h*ll is Jason Robert Brown?", lol.) Texannie, Linda Eder's Christmas album is wonderful too. I forgot about the show last night and am kinda glad because (no disrespect to her fans) Diane Warren's songs just ain't my thing. I'm usually not a fan of power ballads and think anyone who can castrate Aerosmith ought to be feared! I do adore showtunes/Broadway-style singing however, and love that Clay has shown a theatrical flair. That doesn't mean he's cut out for a stage career though. Acting and dancing skills are also required, even though most performers are known for being better in a particular area. I just think it's kinda dissmissive of the talent needed to be on Broadway to say, "oh Clay can't make it as an American Idol but he'd be great on Broadway". As if being a pre-fab pop star is more demanding. That's supposed to be a compliment to Clay, btw, but I'm not sure if it came out right though! I don't know who does the lousy arrangements on AI but it doesn't give me any confidence in what they consider to sound good. And I really wish they had live accompaniment. But Clay's a terrific singer, imho, and away from the tackier aspects of AI, I think he could really shine. Plus he's kinda cute too. While Kimberly L has impressed me the most as a total performer, I just like Clay a bit better for some goofy reason. Since much my favorite music is often considered offbeat, obscure or simply horrible, I understand how easy it is to get defensive about favorite performers and songs. Music is so personal, I think people often feel like they're being attacked themselves when someone says something against a particular artist. Just watch me throw a hissy fit if anyone says something against Marvin Gaye or any of my other favorites, lol! Darn. Another long post. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:10 am     And I enjoyed every word of it, Calamity! Thanks, Texannie, I'll look for her, too. I'm taking notes here! |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:32 am     one of my sisters just bought me the josh groban cd. she raved about him and how he was only 22, etc...and i popped it into my cd player in the car, and i could only listen to about 2.5 songs before i had to take a break! very strong voice, but i would like him better in a musical on broadway, not just to listen to 11 or 12 songs in a row. yes, he was masterful, yes, he had a great voice, but it all sounded the same after a while. now bocelli or leontyne price i could listen to for a long time. of course, people just have their own dislikes and likes and sometimes they overlap and sometimes they don't! i like some of billy joel's songs, for example, but when i lived back east, they played his songs over and over on the radio stations. seemed like 2 or 3 songs each hour were billy joel numbers. major love affair there! i could take a song or two of his a day, interspersed with other performers. but i loved boy george and i could listen to his albums full through without any problems, and others detested him! all a matter of preference..or should i say 'performance'? LOL add me to the marvin gaye lovers!!! |
Brenda1966 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:33 am     Hermi- If you want a sample of Josh Groban, go to his website: Joshgroban.com. You can hear the whole album on there! Some of the songs are amazing and some are a bit too opera for me. I was thinking of getting the CD for my mom for mother's day but am undecided after listening to it all. If Simon is as smart as he thinks he is, he should be able to market Clay to sell records. If Michael Bolton (yuck) and Groban can sell records, Clay can too. He's the ONLY one who gave me goosebumps last night. Sorry I missed the fight. BB will be here soon and we can get our tensions out there. LOL! I agree Weener -- Ruben sounded good last night, but still the same. How did he "change it up"? Beats me. Josh so deserves to be in the bottom 3, if not the boot, but I think he'll hang in there for 4th place. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:37 am     brenda, think about getting your mom Iz's "facing future' CD. he is the one who did the 'somewhere over the rainbow/what a wonderful world' song (used in the e.r. episode where mark green died.) he passed away in 1997, but he was awesome. he was laid out in the state house in hawaii when he passed away. you can get his cd on amazon... |
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