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Hobbs

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right on Webkitty!! The same things have been bugging me, but I still think he can sing. I couldn't have stated it better. I still want to see him come out of his shell and do a rip-roarin' all over the stage number. It's the only way he'll beat Rubin.
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Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's funny how we all come away with different perceptions of the same people. Clay has never seemed anything but gracious, kind and humble to me. And he looks genuinely nervous. The nervousness doesn't seem at all like an act to me for any of them. I have seen Ruben looking extremely nervous and most people seem to think he is a shoo-in. Why anyone wouldn't be, I don't know. Remember Tamyra! Nothing is a given. These people are all under enormous pressure. I can't even fathom what it must be like. As far as boring goes, he has never bored me once. Kimberly Locke bores me more than anyone. I understand where Simon was coming from when he said "technically perfect, but no personality." I like her, but I think she is a bit boring when she performs. It's almost like she is trying so hard to compensate for the time she sassed Simon and got so much criticism for doing so, that she isn't showing any spark at all. But that is just how I am seeing her. It's truly all perception.

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If Clay acted confident because he's never been in the bottom 3, then he would most likely be criticized for being arrogant. :)

The annoying habits are really starting to creep in, though. This is the time when they need to be spending a lot of time watching themselves on video so they can see how they look...and that is a very painful thing to do! LOL

Happyfeet

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermi, Yes, yes, yes! I agree with all you said, especially about Clay. I don't think his humble nature is a put-on at all. I think he's genuinely gracious, kind and feels for the other competitors, too.

As you said, these folks are under pressure. When under pressure, we all react in different ways. All of them look nervous during the booting show. Hey, in the cruel way they conduct it, by pulling out three people to torture, who could blame them? They all deserve a lot of credit. Just my penny.

Webkitty

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Right, Spy. It really doesn't matter WHY he does it, just that he does. All of those remaining are on pins and needles waiting to hear if they have been eliminted. He is the only one who cowers and cringes like a child while waiting. He was practically up in Ruben's lap last week. Very odd.
I am not seeing this as pop idol behavior.

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly - he needs to see himself on tape. Then again, he may really be that kind of person and not likely to change even based on what he sees. In that case, he might not be suited for the spotlight and intensity of fame. Who knows!?

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
See, I don't see him cowering and cringing. I see someone who is nervous. Perception.

We could pick apart all of them for one thing or another. I mean we have Clay's squinty eye and Trenyce's finger-taps and Kim Locke's hips and Carmen's butt taps and Joshua's grimaces and Ruben's tongue and Kim C.'s tears. I see all of that and no longer dwell on it. I just don't want to. They all have my admiration now. They are pursuing their dreams with zest that most of us only fantasize about. I usually react differently to the participants on AI than I do to other reality TV shows. I'm not sure why except that I admire them so much. Even Corey was growing on me before his boot. I'm at the stage in the show where I am paying less and less attention to annoying behaviors and I am very glad of it.

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, I think I'm gonna have to join you in trying to ignore the annoying behaviors or else they will drive me crazy.

Like I said, they all have them, and I wish they would watch themselves over and over on tape to improve their performances and presentation of self. But, I'm sure they are so busy with all the other stuff, there isn't a lot of time. Just wish they would make some time - if for no other reason than to save the sanity of a great many TVCHer's (self included). LOL

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Two weeks from now when someone is doing something that is driving me batty, my post will be quoted back to me and I will hang my head in shame!!!! But for now, I really am not annoyed by anyone's behavior. I like them all for one reason or another. Although Clay is still my fave! Ruben is a very close second.

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL -- I agree - and I still like 'em all, really, even if Carmen's vibrato/yodeling thing makes me want to pinch her pretty little head off .

Grooch

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<The annoying habits are really starting to creep in, though. This is the time when they need to be spending a lot of time watching themselves on video so they can see how they look.>>>

I wish they would also, but I honestly don't think they have the time to do it, between making commercials, learning new songs, costumes, etc, etc, etc.

Hobbs

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If I had a picture of Hobbes clapping, I'd put it here. Cudos to Hermione for being able to look past the trivial and see what should truly be seen. Raw undiscovered talent. And in the end may the one with the most talent win over America's heart.

But then again, picking these people apart for every little thing sure is fun. <insert evil laugh>

Hermione69

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You should see me in the Survivor thread, Hobbs. I am a b*tch to those I don't like!

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
They all have annoying habits and while it may seem trivial, if they don't begin at some point to address them, they'll pay some kind of price. Look at how much flack Celine catches for her chest thumping and Mariah gets for her open hand waves...I can't watch either one of them because it is soooooooooo distracting. When you are performing, you want to minimize the things that are distracting. Granted, both Celine and Mariah are lucky because their talent is so great that they still sell records, but I don't watch either of their videos and would probably not go to a concert. Just one of those things. After watching Celine beat on her chest at the Oscars while wearing that million dollar necklace, I realized it is so ingrained into what she does, she does not even realize how annoying and silly it looks. LOL

Grooch, I figure you are right - no time in this competition to tweak those kinds of things. Maybe they'll do it later on in their careers - before it is too late! hehehehe

Walker

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
one thing that everyone on the board should remember is that no one is perfect..we all do something that annoys someone else..keep that in mind when you begin to criticize clay or anyone else.

Spygirl

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Walker, I hope I don't sound like I am criticizing the contestants in some shallow, unfair way. I am putting their "habits" into the context of performing. I am also remembering that they are untrained and new. That's why I suggested that they look at themselves on videotape while they are performing in order to improve upon what they are doing.

I had to do that when I started therapy because as a therapist you need to minimize your annoying hand gestures, facial expressions, fidgeting, and a million other things so as not to be distracting to the process. Watching myself helped me to minimize those things and it helped me realize just how many annoying little things I did - including repetitive phrases. (I used to say, "so the tough part for you is..." over and over and over - even I got annoyed - can you imagine how annoying it was for my clients???)

I also remember my brother telling me how he watches his performances on tape and how he learned that he made a really annoying and pained face when he sang certain notes. He continues to review his performances on tape on a regular basis. It seems it is just part of getting better to watch yourself on tape.

Anyway, I mean no disrespect, nor do I expect any of these people be perfect, but there are things they could work on to improve their physical presentation styles. :)

Wcv63

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

one thing that everyone on the board should remember is that no one is perfect..we all do something that annoys someone else...




Not me. REALLY!! I'm perfect.

Crazydog

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
These people are on TV being judged for their performances. I see no reason why we can't comment on their annoying habits. I know I have annoying habits as well, but I am not voluntarily submitting myself for review to America. The same issues come up on every reality show. If they can't deal with criticism, then they shouldn't be on TV. JMO

Now see Hermione, I feel that Clay is the one who is "technically perfect, but no personality". I agree with Beachcomber, Clay's mouthed "thank yous" and head nods and pleading eyes are exactly like those of Justin last year. Whether or not he is genuinely gracious or just trying to make America like him, I'm not sure. But it's really unnecessary.

At this point in the competition he should realize that he is at least superior to Kim Caldwell, Carmen, Ricky and Joshua. Not to mention the fact that the judges consistently praise him. Now of course as mentioned above, he could be Tamyraed, but it's too early for that because he has many supporters at this point and there are several that are visibly worse than him. His cringing and scared-ness are really quite childish. He is not Idol material. An idol should be confident about his own abilities.

Snee

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 02:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
speaking of annoying habits, i wish kim c. would quit following the camera all the time. let the camera circle you, girl!

Beachcomber88

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 03:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog, I'm glad to see you agree about Clay's mannerisms. Gosh, we're always on the same wavelength...twins separated at birth?

I don't really mind Kim C. following the camera. That's part of being a performer. Justin did it last year too.

My vote for most annoying habit would be Nikki's "head-bobs" after each verse last year. It was her signature move. Couldn't stand it! Haven't picked up on the Trenyce thing yet...just have never noticed it.

Walker

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
beach..im just wondering if there is anybody on the show that you like because everytime i read a post from you..you always have something negative to say about everybody..who if anybody do you like?

Beachcomber88

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 04:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Walker, I've said before - I like Kim L. I like Carmen. I've grown to like Ruben.

Walker

Friday, April 11, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
beach..its nice to know that you like somebody and i must have missed it somewhere along the way.