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Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This will probably hurt Kim, but all my votes will still be going her way, because I actually want her to win.

TG Ruben is safe.. I have a feeling there was a large gap between his votes and Trenyce's.

Spygirl

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You could vote as often as you wanted in BB1.

Vali

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
On a sentimental note...
As soon as Ryan read Ruben's name for the bottom 2, I thought, "Can't wait to log on! Have to log on now!"

('Cause y'all mean that much to me, even if I usually lurk...)

Amy

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, in BB1 you had to pay for those calls though. They could set it up so only one call could come from each phone number a night though.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Au contraire.. on BB1 you could vote and vote and vote.. for a price.. I had the phone bill to prove it when George was nominated :)

But, I agree, no multiple votes would be a good thing.

Babyruth

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Am I the only cynic who believes the voting is a farce (and data used for marketing/sales purposes) and that the producers call the shots? This is what I've been believing from day one, and tonite's show only affirms that for me. What a great move for ratings, to have Ruben in the bottom two. No way that reflected the votes.

Vali

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Spygirl, are you sure? Do you remember the scandal with George? If that's true, maybe it was just the fact that the radio station paid for the 1-900 call that stirred up the trouble?

(sorry for the off-topic-ness...)

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Babyruth, a little voice in my head says yeah, they did this to make sure Ruben wins. And certainly when they quote the "number of callers" they are quoting number of CALLS, not callers..

Mygetaway

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm still trying to catch my breath..LOL I might have to take a "chill pill" before I watch the show tonight. Can't wait to see what Paula says on ET tomorrow. I wonder if she will be honest? (yeah, right...HAHA}

Hermione69

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Vali, but the problem with that system is that they are trying to see who has fan bases and who will be a good sell in the future. If you can only vote for one, that's it. One call. Finito. You are not giving any other indication as to who else is catching your ear. I LOVE Clay, but Ruben is a very close second and Kim is a not-too far off third. I will probably follow all of their careers with interest. I dial in votes for all of them some nights. If we could only vote one, we would have no way of indicating who else is still pretty great, even if not our fave. Plus when someone calls in repeatedly, it does indicate that a following exists that is more likely to run out and purchase a CD.

Then you get into people who have cell phones and regular phones and even multiple lines. They can call more than once because there would be no way of knowing it was the same person on different numbers, whereas someone like me could not because I only have one.

This system is far from perfect, but I don't see a solution that is perfect for the nature of this competition. It's a tough call.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was because the radio station paid AND they targetted Brittany because Julie Chen had told them Britt was the most popular in a poll.. it wasn't positive voting for George, but attacking the popular one.

Babyruth

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If anything, Sea, they did this to ensure an increased viewership next week and the week after...

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sure they could have polls to determine fan base.

Mygetaway

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think people thought that Ruben was safe, and they put their votes into Kim and Josh. (I guess)

Spygirl

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Vali - you got it. The scandal was because someone was paying for the votes - and that they targeted the "most favorite" houseguest. In fact, I think that could be why AI doesn't allow the votes for the "least popular" - because of that possibility. The largest fan base could band together and pick off the biggest threats via votes and eliminate the talent.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think also that they really want a guy to win this time, since Kelly won last time..

Rabbit

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The controversy over BB1 was overblown. The result would have been the same if all the radio station votes had been eliminated.

Either Pay per vote, or 1 vote per phone number, or vote for who you want out, would eliminate this kind of thing.

Hermione69

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"What a great move for ratings, to have Ruben in the bottom two. No way that reflected the votes."

I'm sure that is what people said when Tamyra's name was called last season for bottom two against Nikki and she is the one that left. I don't think there is a big conspiracy behind who actually goes. I think the person who actually goes is indeed the lowest vote getter. BUT I have wondered on occasion if they mess around with the others just for some drama.

However, if that was the case, I would think the judges would know (Simon especially, as he is a producer) and they all looked truly flabbergasted at Ruben's name being called, so I am thinking this is probably the real deal. The potential for scandal would be way too enormous and open the door for so many lawsuits for it to be a sham.

MHO, FWIW.

Hermione69

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Voting who you want out would cause people to TARGET the better singers out of fear they'll beat their own favorite. That's a common Survivor strategy. I don't think that would work either.

Amy

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I still think the voting system is flawed. I think one call per contestent per phone number per night would be a better way to get an accurate tally of who really has the fan base. As for people who have more than one phone, if it is that big of a deal to those who only have one phone line use pay phones to call again. Toll free calls are usually free from pay phones.

Vali

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Herm, you're right. I agree with you about the fan base aspect. One vote only wouldn't allow people to show their support for others who didn't win as well as this system does.
I think the benefit of the one-call system is that people who don't normally call in for this kind of thing would be more likely to because they couldn't guarantee that others would vote multiple times for the one they wanted to win. (Does that make sense?) It's the same principle as making people pay for the call--you have to really like someone to cough up money and cast your vote.
I don't know what the solution is but I love the discussion here. We'll craft the perfect voting plan, sell it to AI, and reap the financial benefits for years to come!

Hermione69

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"I don't know what the solution is but I love the discussion here. We'll craft the perfect voting plan, sell it to AI, and reap the financial benefits for years to come!"

Oh, wouldn't that be nice! :)

And Amy, I'm sorry, but even for Clay, and everyone knows how much I love him, I would not run around looking for pay phones to call from to balance my one vote against a household that might have 5-10 lines. That is as unfair to me as some people think the current system is. Pros and cons to every one.

Mygetaway

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dang I got so wrapped up in this I didn't order our dinner and now it's going to take an hour!
Better be good.

Vali

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
(sorry about the double post..)
Sea and Spy...that's right about BB1. I forgot votes were to kick people out, not to stay. I still think when I tried to call more than once, though, I got a message with that scary guy's voice telling me my vote had already been cast. But you know, these cobwebs in my brain grow thicker every day, so it's quite possible I'm a little hazy on it.

Vali

Wednesday, April 30, 2003 - 06:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And if anyone ever wants to talk about BB1 on that board, I would so love it. And I'll stop referring to it here. Everyone wins!