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Fruitbat

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The editing leaves one with questions.

What did Zora tell the others about her date and what were their reactions?

How did Melissa react when she saw the beautiful clothing the others received as gifts and was left with a cross eyed buck toothed portrait?

The necklaces he has been giving are as tacky as Mojo's hat.

Weenerlobo

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 05:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruitbat - lol at "cross eyed buck toothed portrait!" Very good.

Sarah is so fake. I can't stand her smile, which is entirely fake, and she needs to thin out those eyebrows. I think the only reason that Evan kissed her after their date is because of that little red corset. Pure and simple, men are visual creatures.

I do believe I saw Zora shake her head the tinniest bit when Evan asked her if she trusted him. Smart girl. She mentioned that she grew up poor, so she's probably fully versed in the lesson of "If it's too good to be true, then . . ."

I'm glad that Allison got cut. I like her and she's leagues ahead of Evan in the gray matter department.

Mojo is a piece of work. We were laughing at their "dinner conversation." Evan said, "We were making up things to try and talk about. It was awkward." Mojo said, "Our dinner conversation went really smooth and we really connected!" LOLOLOL Yep, talkin about that tomato that almost squirted you is the sure fire way to connect with a guy. That hat, oh Lord, that hat <holding head in both hands and moaning>.

I don't like Melissa M. Too cute and too sweet. She's giving me cavities. Bleck.

Needmylifeback

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 06:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I missed the first 15 minutes...did see the "hat"...most of the gifts...(didn't see the choices of designer dresses)... but, I don't remember what Allison was given as a gift...they went on the 'cruise'...but, I don't remember them showing a gift....Can anyone clue me in?

Grooch

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 06:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny thing about the hat. The other girls knew it looked bad, but they kept telling her how great it looked, so she would go out wearing it and look like a dofus. Then they made fun of it as soon as she walked out the door. It made the other girls look very catty. Meow!

Grooch

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 07:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am convinced that Zora is going to win.

I believe that they are editting her to be Cinderella and the other women are the ugly stepsisters.

In the 1st episode, she was the one who didn't get a dress, while the stepsisters were all grabbing them and wouldn't give her one. SHe said she would be happy to wear a tablecloth. And then they only showed her having a seamstress (the fairy godmother) to help with her dress so she could fit into it.

She was the only one that didn't care about the work she had to do on their second date. She was happy to shovel horse poop.

And they keep editing her to be be the sweet nice one, while making everyone else look catty and money hungry. The editors are trying to make us root for her and that there will be a fairy tale ending.

Unfortunetly, if she wins, she actually loses.

But I am convinced that this is what is happening and that she will win.

Anyone agree or disagree? Anyone have any more examples of my theory?

Theowl

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 07:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
By George, Grooch, I think you've got it!! That is the perfect explaination!! The Cinderella Syndrome is great!!

Conejo

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 07:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why do they keep having Alex on this show? I noticed on last nights show that they had her name and listed her as the "show host" when she came in for her one short scene. How can they call this woman the host????

Someone needed to rip that d@mn hat off of MoJo's head last night! Wasn't she the one that had that god forsaken blue hat on during the train ride?
Funny thing is, she thinks it looks great.

Ginger1218

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 08:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, I totally agree with you. The fact that the money supposedly intimidates her is gonna work. She will eventually tell him how she feels, and he will pick her. But somehow, he will wind up having money. The others are whackos.

Realfan

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 10:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Melissa M. is genuinely into Evan. I think if they met outside this game, she would want to date him. She's the only one who flirts with him physically (sliding her hands under his sweater), and she looks genuinely worried and upset about the other women's dates with him.

To me, it seems reasonable that she wasn't entirely up front with her feelings about the portrait. It was a gift, and if she had ragged on it in front of the giver, we would all be ragging on her for bad manners. I sure wasn't impressed with Zora's disregard for the music box gift. I think Melissa felt ambivalent about the portrait--it really didn't look like her--and sought some reassurance from the other women, but they just made it worse. The one gal's comment that no one would hang a picture of themselves on their wall was silly. Melissa should have come back with "Evan might want to hang it on OUR wall."

I liked Evan better last night. I wouldn't eat much of that food, either (I've always been finicky--no snails or frog legs for me, thank you! Pate can be good, tho). I liked that he was interested iin learning more about the women and engaging in conversation, and not looking for opportunities to shove his tongue down their throats as the Bachelors did on some of their dates (and the kids on Meet My Folks!).

Allison--After her honesty broke the ice and they began enjoying their date, I was surprised he cut her instead of Zora. I was impressed that both she and Zora didn't feign interest or chemistry where there was none. So much for the theory that all these women are gold diggers.

Zora started to annoy me with her sullenness. She's in Paris, at a nice bistro, enjoying a fine meal, and she won't eat?!? I get that she felt it was an interview, but there needs to be communication for any kind of relationship to work.

Sarah--no real feelings about her. She made a big deal out of him grabbing her leg in the dance, like it meant something.

MoJo--She is a strange one. Innocent-seeming, yet a gold-digger. Attempting sophistication when she lacks it. Hard to get a real read on her.

The butler--I hope he gets work on another reality series after this one-shot show! He's great!

Hermione69

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't much like any of them, but am enjoying it for sheer entertainment.

Nice, thoughtful post Realfan. You said a lot of what I thought. :)

Pamy

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That hat and her makeup reminded me of the 70's.
I only like the portrait girl and Cinderella(perfect theory, Grooch!!)
Evan's voice is weird sometimes it sounds deep and sexy and then sometimes it sounds like Lurch!

Fruitbat

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, I can see this going a couple of ways and Zora is a real possibility. I think she will open up on the next date and explain that she is from a very poor background and feels like a fish out of water. He will understand and they will have a better time. What has she got to lose, she got another shot, that made her gain some confidence.

Down side of Zora- She is too quiet for him. He dismissed Dana because he desired a more outgoing woman. But she is in his league, sort of.

Melissa is more open and fun loving and the date seemed a bit more relxed than the others. She is a contender and may be on the top right now.

Mojo isn't going to make the cut. More time with her will show she is dazzled with his money. He will see she is not genuine. And she may wear another hat.

Sarah has him weak in the knees. He cannot get past her body and beauty just yet. She is still in the game.

Crazydog

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've decided that the only one I really like is Melissa. I agree with Realfan, she seems to be the only one who is genuinely into him as a person. Both Mojo and Sarah seem to pure golddiggers. I can't understand why he didn't cut Zora instead of Alison. At least Alison tried to have a good time, Zora just sulked and locked herself into her room.

BTW, did Alison get a gift? I can't remember what it was.

Fruitbat

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison said she liked more sophistocation in the voice over when Evan was viewing his food as an autopsy. I think this came through loud and clear even though we saw no further examples of this attitude.

I don't remember her gift. Maybe we didn't see it.

I was struck at how much was left out. The Bach drags and this one seems to fly by.

Rissa

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
RICH WITH RUMOURS.... doesn't seem like the author of this article is too fond of "Joe". LOL

Interesting is this comment:>>> the dude also auditioned for Big Brother and filled out an application for Survivor: Thailand, so this 'TV's not for me' bit seemed as fake as the premise for the Joe Millionaire series. >>>

Is this new or just news to me? LOLOL

Fruitbat

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I hadn't heard that Rissa. My my my.

Seamonkey

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Interesting!

Tabbyking

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 11:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
he sounds like a used car salesman....and why does THAT ring a bell with me?!... LOL

seems to me as if he's just onto whatever schtick might thrust him into a little fame and a little money.

if he were truly motivated, why not get his GED and go to college? he makes so little money, he could get all the Cal grants! and if he only worked 1/4 of the year, that would leave 3/4 of it open for school.

he said it himself: he daydreamed in school rather than learning. well, he seems to be still gazing out the window....meanwhile, he's 28, not a kid. my guess is he will still be looking out the window at age 58--sure, they will be double-paned and a brand name, but windows none-the-less!

Neko

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMH...
If that's how a man usually thinks (aka the Monolouges and the baaaaad comments about their bodies), I'm thinking about turning asexual.

Grooch

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Neko, that's no fun.

Max

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess I'm alone in thinking that Melissa is a girl who plays the role she feels her date wants to see instead of just being herself. She really strikes me as someone who is smiling and acting like she's having fun just so Evan will think she's enjoying the date and the things he likes to do. I don't feel Evan has seen anything about what Melissa really likes. The only time we've seen a glimpse of that is when she's talking alone to the cameras or gossiping with the other girls.

Oh and I forgot totally about MoJo's glittery eye shadow. ARGH! If you're past 15 and it's not New Year's Eve, leave that stuff alone! It makes her look older than she is, IMHO.

Hermione69

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 12:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you about Melissa, Max. I don't think she is being herself at all. I think she is being who she thinks he wants her to be.

(But I like glittery eye shadow! I'm a 15 year old at heart!) :)

Vixeninvegas

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I have hesitated jumping in this discussion but here goes - I guess I am alone in really liking Evan.

He seems to be as honest as possible - sure he stumbles around a bit but he doesn't seem comfortable with the lies he is required to make to keep the story line going. To me that only makes him more charming. I think he is funny some his comments totally crack me up.

The only tiny thing that bugs me a tad is some of his comments about the "hot bod stuff" are kinda crude but if we are to believe in the construction worker background stuff that is mild. I have been in the construction industry since I was 17 & have heard way worse from most of our guys.

I have met my share of slick as cat chit men that would play this part so perfectly that you would never guess any oddities - and that makes Evan even more refreshing to me.

I also think he is handsome so I guess there is no accounting for my tastes LOL

I’m pulling for the above suggested Cinderella theory – I would love that!

Hummingbird

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 03:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mojo must have thought she was going to the Kentucky Derby, the only place I know of where everyone wears a hat.

Neko

Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 04:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Grooch, More fun that having some guy say I have a "hot rocket body."
One, that'd be lying, and two, ugh, siiiick.

It's really scary to think that you could be with a guy, on dates, and he's acting like a gentleman (For the most part) and then on TV(You say that maybe with your buddies, NOT on national TV *Smacks Evan upside his head*), he saying this very, er, degrading(Or flattering, if you think that way) things.

And Vixen, I agree that he's as honest as possible, almost too honest, re paragraph up there *points*