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Texannie

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone think it interesting that the dinner with Jen was elegant and the dinner with Kirsten was in the kitchen???

Ginger1218

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Also, he showed Jen where he wanted to build his house and he didn't show that to Kirsten.

Kimmo

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
There was also the gift of the matching robes!

Crazydog

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure, but I thought he only had one brother, Adam, as well. I thought I remember reading that ABC actually wanted Adam to be the Bachelor but he was married. So he suggested Andrew instead.

Auntiemike

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I got the impression he had one brother and two sisters (Hayley and the dark, curly haired one). The other blond, I believe, was a sister in law. They did appear to be a very loving, close knit family who cared deeply for each other. What a nice family to marry into. I do hope the wedding goes through. I really liked Andrew's planning for his future time with Jen. It seems as if he wants to make their relationship grow and develop in a more normal setting. More power to him. I think they are perfectly matched and was so happy with his choice. There sure was an obvious difference in the two visits with his family. They were so warm towards Jen and seemed to accept her readily. With Kirsten they were more reserved; as she was too. And, more skeptical. The warmth just wasn't there, although they were gracious.

Bracken

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Found this information on the DNR Lister.


ANDREW FIRESTONE
ABC Television Network's "The Bachelor"

BIOGRAPHY


As the great-grandson of tire entrepreneur Harvey Firestone, and the son of pioneering vintner Brooks Firestone and former British Royal Ballet soloist Catherine Boulton Firestone, Andrew Firestone inherited a thirst for adventure that continues today, as he helps lead one of California's most successful winery and brewery enterprises. From running with the bulls in Spain to riding the tech boom in San Francisco, from playing college football in San Diego to grinding out harvests at the winery estate, Andrew brings a wealth of skills, experience and insight to Firestone Family Estates.

Andrew's childhood unfolded at his family's ranch and vineyard in Santa Barbara County's Santa Ynez Valley. Here, in the early 1970s, his father, Brooks, and grandfather, Leonard, established the county's first estate winery, setting the pace for what would become one of the world's most renowned winegrowing regions. As a child, Andrew enjoyed working in the vineyard, and was frequently called into action when the demands of harvest required all hands on deck. He also took advantage of the adventuresome trappings of rural life -- riding horses, racing motorcycles and participating in a variety of outdoor activities.

But Andrew's youthful activities were not limited to the great outdoors. He acted in the national "Peace Child" program and the local "Youth to Youth" drug awareness play, and cultivated his musical interests by learning to play the cello. He also served as an acolyte at the local Episcopal church and worked on his father's successful campaign for the office of California state assemblyman.

At Robert Louis Stevenson High School in Pebble Beach, California, Andrew developed into a multitalented athlete, participating in football, baseball, basketball, soccer and track. He also played cello in the school orchestra and coached a Pop Warner football team. After making All League in high school football, he joined the University of San Diego team as a free safety, until a knee injury ended his playing days.

At the University of San Diego, Andrew worked as a college agent for Northwestern Mutual Life and ultimately racked up more than $1 million in sales, an achievement for which he was named a "top-ten" performer amid a pool of more than 1,000 college agents. After graduating from the University of San Diego with a degree in Business Administration in 1998, he and a few friends spent three months backpacking across Europe. In addition to evading the bulls in Pamplona, Andrew fondly recalls visiting the cathedral where his maternal grandfather served as an Anglican Dean in Guildford, England.

After another tour of duty at the family estate for the 1998 harvest, during which he supervised daily production, Andrew finished up the year working in the winery's retail management and sales departments, advancing his wine industry experience. In keeping with family tradition, he was next encouraged to seek new challenges beyond the family business, particularly in the area of institutional finance. Andrew soon secured a position as a trading assistant with brokerage firm Robertson Stephens in San Francisco. There, for two years, he managed a variety of stock transactions for "high net-worth" individuals and corporations. When the firm was forced to substantially downsize after the tech sector cooled, Andrew seized the opportunity to return to the winery and join the sales team.

Andrew now represents Firestone Family Estates as Sales Manager and is responsible for a spectrum of sales and marketing-related activities, a role that enables him to work closely with his older brother Adam and help manage the family enterprise.

PERSONAL INFORMATION

HOMETOWN
Santa Barbara County, CA

BIRTHDATE
July 10, 1975

Bracken

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I now know way more about the Firestone Family than I ever intended. And no, I have no plans of stalking Andrew. The issue of how many siblings was driving me nuts, so found this among the googling for info on the family.

The one sister who speaks with the most pronounced accent must be married to David Walker who is described as a British expatriate, so she picked up his accent I guess. Brooks lived in London working for Firestone and met Cate there. Lived there until l972, so this sister was educated there before coming to California, this would account for the accent also.

So, then it must be one brother -- Adam and two sisters. I'm thinking the unindentified one is the brunette that was so insistent that "we work" must be a sibling. It is doubtful a SIL would be so vocal. This is the end of my search.

Portion of article below when she became a board member of the charity Direct Relief International.

Catherine (Cate) Firestone was born in India, where her father was an Anglican priest. She returned to England after 9 _ years, and after completing school she trained with the Royal Ballet, where she danced as a soloist for eight years. She then married and moved to the United States, working in Public Relations for Firestone Tire and Rubber both in this country and in Rome and London. Upon moving to Santa Ynez, she started the Firestone Winery (now Firestone Family Estates). Ms. Firestone and her husband, California Assemblyman Brooks Firestone, have four children and 10 grandchildren, with an eleventh on the way.

Tootseug

Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 07:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
HELP! My son called me during the episode. When I picked up the phone, Kirsten was sitting around the coffee table in the living room with the family. When I put down the phone, the brother had JUST SPOKEN to Andrew. But I missed all of that in between.

What happened in the living room, and WHAT did the brother say??

And what did the family have to say about Kirsten??

Willwillbee

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 01:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tootseug, the brother questioned Kirsten about the exboyfriend & she told him & he told Andrew that (in her mind) she ended the relationship because the BF wouldn't commit, they continued to see each other though. She hadn't told the BF the relationship was over, but she would after the final rose ceremony. The brother said that she's hedging her bet with you, that poor (bleep) doesn't even know where she is.
The rest of the family weren't saying anything specific (to Andrew) but I would consider them frosty if I hadn't seen them with Jen. Andrew's sister let Kirsten know that Andrew & all of them were expected to work for a living, after Kirsten told them she might work after she married Andrew, but she would need something part-time and very flexible.

B4ugogo

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi All,

I enjoy reading your posts and thought I'd add something I haven't seen mentioned here. At the final rose ceremony, A told K that he felt "comfortable" with her, but he was looking for more than comfort (or something to that effect). I also remember him several times describing how he liked being with J because she made him feel so comfortable. I just found his explanation to K ironc when he dumped her 'cause I never heard him describe her as comfortable before that point. I'm glad he picked J, but I'd be skeptical if I were her. After his brother told A about K's bf, didn't he start to cry. I don't remember seeing him that emotional before (and I don't think he's that good an actor that ABC could stage it). It almost seems as if he changed his mind at the last minute; I woldn't want to be J if that's the case. Makes for good entertainment, anyway.

I also like the idea of Bob as the next bachelor. I just hope that ABC doesn't present us with an altered "skinny" Bob - he holds his own as is.

Kimmo

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Andrew saying he felt comfortable with Kirsten was odd, too, given how he always says he can let go with Jen. I took it as meaning, in a nice way, that Kirsten was immature and Andrew couldn't see moving forward and having a future with her.

I wish I'd seen Andrew crying. I wasn't able to focus fully on the show when Adam and Andrew had their tete-a-tete on the porch. I remember he looked a little upset and his eyes looked a little moist, but that was probably embarrassment and anger at being embarrassed. On top of being embarrassed, Adam's tone of voice was a little harsh.

However, Andrew did seem like he was hoping for some positive talk from Adam about Kirsten-- Like he really hadn't made his decision yet. So confusing, I hope tonight's show clears things up a little! I'd like to know when Andrew decided it would be Jen....It can't have been just the night before.

Texannie

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 01:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Andrew had the look of embarrassemnt/anger that happens when you realize that you have just been made a fool of. I think he probably did care for Kirsten and Adam showed him what an idiot he was and that hurt!

Bandit

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Texannie. I don't think that necessarily made Jen "second fiddle."

Julieboo

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Didn't Andrew say that he was leaning towards Kirsten the whole time and then the BF/brother deal helped sway him back to Jen? Something like that. If I were Jen, I wouldn't be too happy hearing that at all!

Grannyg

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 - 04:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Do you think we will see them tonight really happy like Trista and Ryan or more at a distance like Joe and Zora??????