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Rabbit | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 10:55 pm     Tishala, you mentioned Clay and K.D. Lang. I immediately thought of her duet with Roy Orbison singing Crying. (One of my favorite sing along in the car songs of all time.) I bet Clay could turn 98% of the Claymates in America and Canada to mush singing that song and I bet he and Kim (or K.D.) could do a killer duet with it. |
Beachcomber88 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:11 pm     Joining the discussion a little late... First of all, Hotlantan, can you please explain your ranking thing? I am honestly totally befuddled! What's all the Kim 1, Ruben 2, Kim 2, Clay 1, etc.? Nobody said anything about it, so maybe I'm just the only one that doesn't understand? Are you changing your ranking after each performance? I don't get it... I really do hope that Kim makes it to the final two, although I know the outlook is bleak. I thought she really brought it tonight. I thought it was a bit unfair how she and Ruben were both given slow songs to sing, while Clay was given the very uptempo, get the crowd involved, Mack the Knife. While I know there are Clay fans out there, I am not one of them. I don't want to have to say it here because the comment is old, but I still can't get past how he Broadwayizes every single song he performs. I am unfamiliar with Don McLean's "Vincent" - did it sound that way when he originally sang it? Clay's version sounded like one of those soliliquies we hear by the lead actor all alone on stage in a musical. To his credit, I did not even realize he forgot the words. Maybe because I was so bored that I was only half listening. And Tishla, you are not alone. I was not a fan of Unchained Melody. To over the top for me. But that's Clay for you. He'll find a long note to hold and belt out no matter what song he sings. |
Iscreamer1 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:16 pm     I'm glad to hear others say that they were not "feeling' Ruben tonight. I just don't see what the judges are so crazy about. I also agree this was not my favorite AI night but I did enjoy Clay singing Mack The Knife, thats one of my fav fun songs. |
Tishala | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:33 pm     Oh Rabbit, I LOVE that version of Crying! It's really heartbreaking and I think you're right: Clay would do it really well. You have to see Mulholland Drive, if you haven't. It's a strange david Lynch film (if you don't know) and there is a scene where this woman comes out and sings it in Spanish--"Llorando." It's quite something. |
Marebear | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 04:28 am     Did anyone else think that Paula had tears in her eyes after the last Clay song? Maybe I was thinking that because he gave me chills and tears too LOL. I noticed right away that Clay forgot some of the words to Vincent. It was on the chorus and very obvious to me, but he did a great job going with it. I'm one of the older ones here (47) but not one of the realllll old ones LOL. I use to listen to the American Pie album all the time and loved Vincent. I also thought Ruben shouted his last song and sounded rather hoarse. I like his Stevie Wonder song the best, he looked like he was enjoying himself. Kim sounded pretty good to me too. I really don't like her soft voice though, it sounds so breathy. I like it when she belts it out. My votes were for Clay!! |
Djgirl5235 | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 04:48 am     Now that I've had a night to think on it, I'm changing some of my comments from last night's performances... First, let me preface all of this with my usual disclaimer: The opinions following are that of myself, and me alone...not meant to include "all" people here... Now that that's out of the way...I will be putting these in the order I think they should fall: Clay: Clay was given the most difficult songs of the evening. On another board that I belong to (RealityTvTalk.com) one of the members was there, and apparently during the commercial break between rounds 1 & 2, Ryan apologized to the audience & Clay for the missed lyrics - apparently the producers asked that morning (they chose there songs a week ago) to add a verse & a chorus to fill in time, and it completely screwed up the song for Clay. In any case, I loved his version of Mack the Knife, and the one thing I will say for Clay, he is consistently on key, and full of charisma. He is quite definitely the most comfortable in the spotlight, and I thoroughly enjoyed his performance of Unchained Melody, his performance made me get past the crappy arrangement. Kim: Although I don't feel that this was Kim's best night, I do place her above Ruben. She kicked butt on Band of Gold, but she'd already performed it previously, so she definitely had the advantage over Clay & Ruben on that round. The judge's pick, in my opinion, was the most boring, repetitive song I've heard in a long time. She did a great job on her choice, but as always struggled in the lower register and belted it in the upper. Ruben: Ruben is a very talented guy, however, personally he does nothing for me. He's starting to strain his vocal chords, and his performances are all starting to run together for me, I don't really have one that stands out in my mind. To be completely honest, I can't even remember the songs that he performed last night, yet I can remember at least one of Kim's and all of Clay's. For me to buy your CD you have to be memorable, and for me Ruben isn't. I will repeat that these are my opinions and mine only, and I am not trying to offend anyone with them, simply expressing them. |
Walker | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 05:13 am     just as i suspected ruben can'not hold a high note for very long, he tried it for the first time lastnight and it just did'nt go over very well,it sounded terrible..clay is certainly the better singer of them all. |
Maris | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 05:46 am     6115,451654~3||266575|0~0~,00.html, EW article Can K. Lo squeak into the finals? Jessica Shaw says a night when Clay and Ruben faltered might be enough for Kimberly to become one of next week's two THREE'S COMPANY The finalists will find out tomorrow which one of them won't make it to the last round -- will it be Kimberly? Whatever problems you may or may not have with this season of ''American Idol,'' one thing is for certain: This was a far more tense final three show than we had last year. Last year you knew Nikki was outta there (and thank you, Simon, for managing to take a jab at the poor talentless girl a full year later) and you sort of even knew Kelly would take it over Justin. After Tuesday’s show, how the heck are we supposed to know what’s going to happen? Each contestant had one great performance, but other than that, there wasn’t an obvious superstar. Big Ruben was steady and strong with his first two songs, but -- dare I say it -- the guy choked on that final song. Maybe it was distracting having those buckets of sweat pouring down his face, but he could not manage to stay on key during ‘‘If Ever You’re in My Arms Again.’‘Did you notice that none of the judges commented on the song, but only addressed his overall strength. ‘‘You’ve done enough to prove you should be [in the finals],’‘Simon said. Hello, when has the guy ever missed an opportunity to take down a performance? Playing favorites, perhaps? Too bad he didn’t show the same respect for poor spiky Clay, with his carefully plucked eyebrows and white man’s overbite. After that hideous ‘‘Vincent,’‘all I could think was Clay just became this year’s Tamyra. A bad song choice and buh-bye. Granted, a random choice wasn’t his fault, but how could the guy forget his words? Sure the song is hardly memorable, but even I knew that stupid ‘‘Now I understand…’‘part. He made a nice comeback with ''Mack the Knife,'' but come on with the ''Unchained Melody.'' A droplet of creativity might have scored him a few more points with the voters. That’s about as original as belting out ‘‘I Will Always Love You’‘during the audition process. And when he was belting out ‘‘I need your love’‘to the audience, it was obvious the guy knew he was in trouble. What Paula was thinking when she called that the ‘‘best performance of the entire competition’‘is beyond me. Oh, I’m sorry. For a second there I was thinking Paula has logical thoughts. We’re talking about the woman who said, ‘’That was the perfect mix of a diamond. You’re sparkly and you’re smooth as silk’‘and referred to Ruben’s dimple as ‘‘the money shot.’‘Paula, it’s time to pack your bags and leave planet evil metaphor forever. Well, okay, if it’s dissing Paula hour, we might as well bring up the hat. Wrong. So very wrong. Speaking of wrong, it’s one thing for Joe Millionaire to show up at ''American Idol.'' Brooke Burke, fine. But Quentin Tarantino? You know how some celebrities disappear and you wonder where they’ve gone because they’ve all but fallen off the planet. Well, if you’re an Oscar winner gone AWOL, don’t choose the American Idol audience as your re-emergence into the spotlight. The biggest winner of the night had to be Kimberley… not because she was so extraordinary, but because Ruben and Clay’s less than perfect nights may have left a spot open for the unfortunately nicknamed K. Lo. Common sense may tell us that Kimberley is headed back to law school tomorrow night, but it wouldn’t be the shock of the century if she managed to pull off another week. You just know she was sitting backstage during ''Vincent '' and secretly doing a jig. Maybe that’s why she forgot to zip up those pants. |
Hobbs | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:27 am     Deej, I don't get it! Do you have some sort of telepathy to my mind? So many of those thoughts were what I was going to post this morning. (I never like to post at night, because I want to sleep on my opinions.) Anyway, I have 3 ways of looking at this competition now that all the slackers are gone. Performances throughout the series: Ruben had me at the beginning with Superstar. I love Luthers version of it and listen to it all the time. So I thought of him as the next Barry White/Luther Vandross. I loved it. He also had the song (don't remember now) that Simon said would be a hit if he released it today. I was sure Ruben was number 1. Clay also seemed to have a lot going for him. He could really hold a note and stay in tune. I could care less if he sounded like broadway. He was # 2. All the rest were slackers in my book and it didn't matter when they went. But then Kim came out of nowhere a few weeks ago and has improved greatly. Ruben has gone down hill, and Clay has held his own. Last night Just take Deej's 4:51am post and place here. I would just add that I really thought Ruben stunk last night compared to what he can do. I admit I have a tin ear, but his notes just seemed way off and he was horse. I have to forgive the horseness, because I did for Kelly last year. How do we judge them? Do we judge based on overall? Then I would give Clay 1, Ruben 2, and Kim 3 since Kim only came into her own lately. Do we judge on last night? That would be Clay, Kim, Ruben. But I am judging on who's music would I buy to put into my cd player. That would be Kim, Ruben, Clay. Sorry Hermi. I just like female vocalists better. Especially on non-rock stuff. Ruben has the Barry/Luther thing going for him which I just love. But let me add this. I think the best final would be Kim vs. Clay. I think they would both bring it home much better than Ruben. I don't think I would ever buy a Clay CD. I've said enough. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:33 am     "Sorry Hermi" Awww, Hobbs, no need to apologize! I've heard a lot of people say that while they think Clay has a beautiful voice, they would probably never buy his CD. That's music, you know. It's pretty subjective and we tend to respond emotionally especially when it comes to what we actually pop into our CD player. You can appreciate the beauty of some people's voices, but they may not necessarily be who you want to jam to. I understand completely! <Deej, I'm working on that email now...> |
Iscreamer1 | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:37 am     HAs anyone ever heard Julio Iglesies sing Vincent? Talk about tears to the eyes! He does a magnificent job with that song. Check it out! Does anyone else agree with the above article? Do you think Kimberly could slip by one of the guys? I have to admit I did throw in a vote for her and I never vote for anyone but Clay (but I couldn't get through). |
Djgirl5235 | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:44 am     Hobbs - you and Hermi seem to be my biggest fan! Usually I buy female vocalists so that I can expand my own repetoire and sing along, but I'm also very selective with the cd's that I buy. That being said, what is playing in my cd player in my car this morning, is Josh Groban... The man melts my heart everytime I hear him sing. That's how Clay's voice affects me as well, and I would definitely buy his cd. I definitely feel that Kim is not out of this race, and I'll be on pins and needles the entire show tonight!!! |
Hotlantan | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:52 am     Beach, Each contestant did three songs. Kim 1 = Kim's first song; Clay 3 = Clay's third song, etc. Kim 1 Clay 2 Ruben 1 Kim 3 Kim 2 Ruben 3 Clay 3 Ruben 2 Clay 1 So I thought Kim's "Band of Gold" was the best performance last night, while Clay's "Vincent" was the worst performance last night. Kim clearly had the best night overall - but does she have the best voting fanbase? We will find out tonight.... |
Hobbs | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:54 am     Lol Deej. I first read that as Josh Gracin!!! |
Hobbs | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:59 am     And and and... Brooke Burke!!! What can I say? I wish I was Clay! You wouldn't be able to wipe the smile off my face for a year! (It's a guy thing.) |
Crazydog | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 07:03 am     I'm late to the party again... Beach, I think what Hotlanta is doing is ranking each of the individual performances: Kim 1, Clay 2, Kim 2, Clay 3... she liked the first Kim song the best, then the second Clay song, then the second Kim song, then the third Clay song, etc. I really enjoyed all of Kim's performances. She is fantastic and I hope she makes it to the final two. I was a little disappointed with Ruben. I am a Ruben fan but I really didn't care for "If Ever You're in My Arms Again". Dare I say it, but I was actually a little bored. If it came down to advancing either Kim or Ruben to take on Clay I would choose Kim. I'm not getting all the fanatical Clay love. Never have, but oh well. There's always a contestant on every reality show that everyone absolutely loves (*cough* Ethan) that I just don't understand the appeal of. I thought Clay was dreadful on "Vincent". "Mack the Knife" was better but I think it was unfair they chose such slow songs for the first two and yet throw in the very familiar, very cool "Mack the Knife" for Clay. And I hated his "Unchained Melody". I agree with Simon, I thought it was extremely over the top, and I'm with you Beach (again), I thought it sounded like he was singing a solo in "Les Miserables". I think it is inevitable that Clay will win this competition. If it can't be a Kim/Ruben final, I'd like to see Kim give Clay a run for his money. |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 07:07 am     Crazydog, I think it is inevitable that Ruben will win this competition, LOL! Funny, huh? I really do think Ruben is going to take it and you know I am one of those "fanatical Clay love" people! BTW, laughed at your (*cough* Ethan) bit! I wish the best of luck to all three of them. And now I must tear myself away from the fun because I have a class in the library and a teacher who needs some help!!! |
Meme9 | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 10:24 am     I just rewatched the tape twice! Kim did a great job! And Clay was GREAT!!! I love Unchained Melody...that arrangement was not a good one and I was disappointed, it was to fast paced for the song to really be appreciated the way it was....but Clay absolutely worked a miracle with it and made it great. I find when I'm watching the show live I miss so much, so I tape it and watch it once with my full attention on the performers. The second time I watch it on tape, I close my eyes and just listen to the sound of the voices. It is amazing that is when I really get to hear who really is the best. |
Realfan | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 12:46 pm     <<Hobbs - you and Hermi seem to be my biggest fan!>> Me, too, DJ!! You were channeling my brain, too, with your post above. I don't understand why the judges are so intent on not criticizing Ruben. Are they afraid of hurting his feelings? He stank last night, to be blunt about it. He's still searching for notes (at least I heard him do that a couple of times), he's hoarse, doesn't project that well, and I can't even remember what he sang. Vincent is still going through my head today, along with Mack the Knife (an odd pairing, to be sure). I tried for two hours to vote for Clay, but couldn't get through. BTW, in the latest TV Guide, Simon says he thinks CLAY will win, and that he thinks Clay will end up making the most money over his career of any of them. A surprising thing to read, considering I thought he was on the Ruben train (as the other two apparently are). He said like Kelly last year, Clay appeals to middle America. I guess that includes me, because I love Clay, and will definitely buy his CD. I didn't buy Kelly's, though. |
Crazydog | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 12:49 pm     I really liked Kelly last year, but I didn't buy her CD. If they had released it within a month or so of the competition, I might still have been caught up in Kelly fever and bought it. However, I was kind of disappointed with her appearances this year, I didn't think she was "all that" anymore, especially compared to singers like Ruben and Kim. I think whoever was responsible for delaying her CD really blew it. Of course though, I will definitely buy Kim Locke's. That woman can SANG! |
Sadiesmom | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 02:10 pm     I think the judges don't criticize Ruben because they hear something that does not go out over the airwaves. Every time I read an 'at the studio' story or post, they always rave about Ruben saying his voice is amazing. It does not sound that amazing over TV, so I am thinking it may have to do with resonance in the studio. They also say the background sounds are poerfect for the studio, just not on the airways. |
Realmom | Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 03:18 pm     Well, DJ posted before me and we are always on the same wavelength. This is a late post and this thread is probably dead, but I'll post anyway. I spent my morning with my 15 yo daughter at the doctor because dd has a nasty case of mono. We both watched last night, so this is our combined thoughts. Kimberly - I liked "Band of Gold" and some of "Inseparable." Her voice is weak in the lower registers--it just isn't a strong part of her range. She is great when she hits her range, however. My dd is bugged by something that Kimberly does that I'm not sure I can explain because it needs an auditory example. It has to do with her attack on words at the beginning of phrases--she sort of forces and scoops and it distorts the sound. I didn't notice it until my kid pointed it out, but Kimberly does do it quite a bit. Almost wished dd had not pointed it out because now it bugs me, too. Nevertheless, good vocal training would make it easy for her to stop doing this, so it isn't a biggie in my book and certainly doesn't minimize her talent. Ruben - Ruben had the worst pitch problems last night. He seemed tired to me. He is the only one of the three with vocal training (3 years as a vocal major at college). At least, he is the only one who has shared that he has vocal training. I'm not sure his hoarseness was due to misuse of his voice because I've never heard him misuse his voice. Maybe he has a sore throat? The hoarseness has gotten worse over the past few weeks. Perhaps he is just rundown. It is also not uncommon for folks of Ruben's size to have reflux problems that can cause hoarseness. I wouldn't expect him to share that with the viewing public. Not looking for excuses for him, just doubting that the problem is that he isn't singing correctly. Last year, Kelly was hoarse by the end, but she was definitely singing incorrectly at times and within certain ranges. It took its toll with her. We were pleasantly surprised at the judges' pick of "Smile." This is my dd's signature song. She says when she is famous, people will associate this song with her (ah...the dreams of the young). He did okay with the song, though I would have liked to have heard how he would have sung it several weeks ago. Clay - What was up with "Vincent" being one of the 3 random pick songs? It is a story ballad--you don't shorten story ballads! It is meant to be sung in an intimate, folksy manner. It is not a pop song. I happen to like the song "Vincent." Though Clay didn't sing it well, good thing he picked it and not Ruben or Kimberly. Can you imagine what they would have done to that song? Seems to me that whomever chose the random songs was out to see one of them fail due to poor song choice. Clay has great pitch and voice control. I enjoyed "Mack the Knife" but felt he could have been singing it in a Las Vegas show. My picks: Clay and then a toss up between Ruben and Kimberly. I still think they will all have successful careers, so I'm happy with however it turns out. |
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