Archive through April 04, 2003
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Ketchuplover | Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 07:23 pm     <jumps on the bandwagon> |
Ladytex | Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 10:24 pm     I think Ruben is the next baby-making singer, ie, Beggin Barry White, Luther, LaVert, Babyface ... (BTW I have a Barry Baby and a Luther Baby ... LOL) and I don't mean that those two are the fathers, but their songs were on when the babies were conceived ... lol |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 02:50 am     Welcome to the dark side, KL! (No politically incorrect pun intended.) LadyTex, I agee -- I described Ruben's voice to someone as pure sex. It's the voice that should be playing on the stereo the first time a couple makes love. :-) |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 05:16 am     {Whispering so the Clay-mates don't hear...} I think Ruben stands a very good chance of taking this competition. After the first couple of weeks, I thought Clay would give him a run for his money, but after the *last* couple of weeks, I've read too many opinions of Clay that have changed to think he has it wrapped up -- even Paula "criticized" him for not moving during a disco song. Maybe he peaked too early or maybe these genres haven't allowed him to show his stuff, certainly not in comparison to Ruben, who looks and sounds comfortable singing anything so far. Don't get me wrong -- I think Clay is a very talented singer. I just don't see the range of styles needed to be a pop star. However, I think Kim L. is coming on strong and may overcome her initial "attitude problems" to make the end game very interesting. I'd be happy with that ending, too -- Ruben and Kim L. as the final two. (I also find it interesting that people who *still* hold a grudge against Kim for her comments to Simon -- prompted by the producers -- don't see anything wrong in what Clay said last night.) |
Pantageas | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 08:00 am     I agree in SO many ways PrisonerNo6! Personally, I don't see any harm in Clay's comments from last night, but then again I don't see why people slapped Kim L. with the "attitude" stick either. Clay has an AWESOME show voice. So does Robert Goulet - I wouldn't buy an album of pop songs by Robert Goulet. Even when Tom Jones did it, it was kind of "kitchy". To me, Clay makes every performance a "show tune". Ruben, on the other hand, could be playing on a pop/R & B station RIGHT NOW! |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 03:12 pm     Here's the thing. What other people see as intensity in Clay's performance I see as dramatics. That makes it sound like a show tune to me. Not every song needs to be sung with *intensity.* Some need to sung with fun, some need to be sung with slyness, some need to be sung with sexiness...and that's what I haven't seen from Clay -- everything he sings seems to be on one level to me. That doesn't mean he doesn't have an absolutely amazing voice -- it just isn't one that brings something different to different songs. I personally enjoyed his movie song the best -- because it was one that needed the intensity/dramatics. The others needed wistfulness or humor, and it wasn't there that I saw...or heard. Ruben, on the other hand, injected intenisty into his movie song, fun into his country song, and sexiness into his disco song. His performance in each genre, while uniquely his own, is still appropriate for that genre. And he makes it look so *EASY*! I think you could throw, to borrow from another thread, Slim Whitman at him, and he'd say, "Yea, OK, no problem" -- and then step up to the plate and do it. |
Prisonerno6 | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 02:34 am     I just finished watching part of the tape from last night's show (tried to watch it live but I was on the phone with Dell tech support for four hours to no avail -- but that's another story {award winning technical support, my big round heinie...}) and I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed Ruben and Kim's duet in the group sing. I thought their voices blended well without overpowering each other as some of the others did. I could actually hear both of them at the same time as they sang. I'm going to be placing a lot of calls for Kim L. next week. I really would like to see her with Ruben in the final two after last night's duet. |
Pantageas | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:06 am     When discussing the emotions Ruben puts in his songs, don't forget the sense of longing from the Motown night... |
Conejo | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:26 am     Prisoner, I thought the same thing last night when Kim L. and Ruben were singing together. I don't really care that much for Ruben, but I thought that the duet was really good. I hope Kim L. can get the votes to stay! |
Azriel | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:09 am     I just got to hear Ruben, tonight. We get both shows together on one night, here. Ruben was so great!!! He is my absolute favorite. For me it's Ruben all the way! Ruben has the whole package. He has the stage presence. He looks so happy up there when he is singing and he is just a joy to watch. His attitude is so humble and genuine. His voice is awesome. Last year, I didn't even care if I ever saw any of the finalists again. This year, I can definitely see me following Ruben's career and hopefully getting to buy his CD. |
Essence | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:13 am     I feel the same way Azriel, but I am waiting for Tamyra's (from last year) CD to drop. I just hope Simon saying Ruben should win this competition doesn't backfire. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:20 am     i thought his 'sweet home, alabama' was really, really good. but i think a lot of his other stuff sounds the 'same' (to me). i could listen to a few ruben songs, and then they would sound a lot alike. i personally could listen to a lot more 'sounding all alike' from clay than ruben. not that i don't like ruben; i like him a whole lot, so don't take this wrong! i was happy that ruben thought his country week song was his best so far, too. that's what i felt. i guess with any singer, when you buy their cd it is for one or two songs, usually, and the rest is filler that is 'okay' stuff, but not what you bought the cd for...if that makes sense! if ruben wins, i hope they have a lot more 'sweet home, alabama' rocking-type songs planned for him to record. |
Ladytex | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:32 am     I would love to hear Ruben and Kim L. sing a few more duets. Their voices sound so good together and they complement rather than compete. I was just sick to see Kim L. in the bottom three and will have to do some serious calling for her next week to combat the disadvantage she has going into the program. |
Azriel | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:40 am     I just didn't like Tamyra for some reason, Essence. She sang well, but I didn't get the emotional connection from her that I get from Ruben. I get that emotional connection to Kimberly Locke, too. When Ruben or Kimberly sing, I just sit there and smile. |
Azriel | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 08:42 am     Ladytex, I felt the same way! Ruben and Kimberly L in the finally two is my dream AI final. |
Essence | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 10:05 am     Well I'll do my part to make it happen. No more sympathy votes for me. It's Ruben and Kimberly L all the way for me too. |
Nathalia | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 04:24 pm     I don't care how many times he wears that 205 shirt, I still think he weighs more, lol. |
Tabbyking | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 04:34 pm     nathalia, it's mirror image on tv. |
Prisonerno6 | Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 07:32 pm     Could we please not make any snide comments about Ruben's weight in this thread? If people are going to get slapped in the Clay fan thread for make disparaging comments about him, please give this thread the same respect asked for over there. After all, I managed to refrain from making any comment about the racist nature of the "thuggish role models" comment over there, so please keep your weight comments to yourself. |
Hermione69 | Friday, April 04, 2003 - 04:18 am     As you know, I agree with you, Prisoner. I think people should stay respectful in the fan club threads. There plenty of other places to post dissenting opinions. |
Hermione69 | Friday, April 04, 2003 - 05:26 am     I have been thinking about the "thug" comment and I remember when I read it that I took it as a reference to the number of celebrities- singers, athletes, movie stars- that have criminal records. I don't think it was meant to be a dig at Ruben. I don't think it was meant to be racist either. I take it as a general dig at anyone with criminal tendencies, but that is just my perception. In any case, there is nothing thuggish about Ruben. He is a lovely young man and I enjoy him a lot. He rocks! |
Essence | Friday, April 04, 2003 - 05:39 am     I don't know Hermione, I hadn't seen the comment until now (I went looking for it after reading your and Prisoner's comments), but "not these thuggish types of role models in the music industry now, the kind that simon would rather see win this thing.." sounds like a reference to Ruben since that's who Simon said he thought should win the competition. I'm not trying to start a debate about it, especially in the Ruben Fan Club thread, but just wanted to make a comment on it. BTW...
RUBEN IS A STAR |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, April 04, 2003 - 05:57 am     Hermione, I didn't say anything about the thug comment in the Clay thread because I tried to give the poster the benefit of the doubt and because I wanted to respect the purpose of the fan club threads. However, the person was clearly comparing Clay to "these thuggish types of role models in the music industry now, the kind that simon would rather see win this thing.." Since, as Essence points out, this was right after Simon said he thought Ruben should win it (and since Ruben and Simon are the only ones Simon has said anything about winning the competition) I thought it was a pretty clear dig at Ruben. Granted, I've noticed many other things that same poster has said about Ruben that were rather negative, so I probably have a different perspective than you. The reason I found it to be racist was exactly what you said about Ruben, there is nothing at all thuggish about him -- unless, of course, you find all large black men who wear baggy jeans and football jerseys thuggish. If you don't see the comment as being directed toward Ruben, then I can understand why you wouldn't see the reason I thought it was racist. I think both Ruben and Clay are fine young men who would be excellent role models for other young people, were they to win this competition. |
Hermione69 | Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:28 am     The part that followed about "the kind that simon would rather see win this thing" went right over my head. Had I absorbed that better I wouldn't even have doubted what you meant. I am sorry that was said. I agree with you completely that Ruben would be a wonderful role model. |
Prisonerno6 | Friday, April 04, 2003 - 06:34 am     No problem, Hermione, thanks for listening to my point of view. :-) As someone who fights almost daily to get our faculty to understand why it's important to include something other than the "dead white man's" point of view into their classes, this is a hot button for me -- even as a privileged white woman! (Just got a great book on the history of psychology called "Even the Rat was White" :-) |
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