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Caroline

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I got sucked into Andrew...like him the best of them all.

That said, I think it may come down to Jen and Kirsten mostly 'cause both are suited to him. Tina Fab is a ego accident waiting to happen -- unfortuately with our luck she'll probably get a television career (hopefully only temporarily) out of it -- though thinking about it I might watch her box Tonya Harding on one of those shows she does -- lol.

One thing, though, IMHO, and please don't flame but every time the rose ceremony came up, Liz would physically break down (heavy swallowing, twitching, even persperation) as the others were picked before her...what that tells me is that she might not handle stress very well and if I were a guy I would likley prefer a wife who could deal with stressful situations...in comparison, the others seem to have done better so far...

Kmjm

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Did anyone else notice how genuinely upset Andrew looked after the rose ceremony- I thought he might actually cry. So the theory about him keeping 'the witches' is an interesting one. Or was I just imagining he was upset because I felt so bad for Liz- my favourite- I was disgusted with Andrew picking Christine over her!

Realfan

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<On the other shows, it seemed as if there were a couple people right for Alex, Aaron, and Trista. None of these 4 women seem right for Andrew at all. (Anyone agree with me on this? I do like Jen the best and hope she'll win, but trying to look at it from Andrew's point of view, I see no match.)>>

Great post. You're not alone. I'm not sure he's really falling for any of them. If he is, he's hiding it well. It may be Jen, the one he was kissing in the limo. Did he kiss Kirsten the same way? I know he didn't kiss the others like that.

On Liz, I think she's cute, and unable to handle the stress, yet I was proud of the way she handled Christina and was upbeat despite not getting a one-on-one date either. Christina was a big baby about it. Oddly, though, my husband saw her point. He believed her when she said she couldn't shine when other women were around. But I don't know if that's the case. I suppose it could be, but she did get her alone time during the group date anyway, so she should have just relaxed and not had a hissy fit.

Jbean

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 09:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
seems to me that he let 2 of the 3 women who are not catty go last night. now, i think jen is the remaining nice girl left. i was really disappointed with his choices. i REALLY wanted tina fabulous (GAG) and kirsten (double GAG) go. and i don't like christina either, but she seems to be the lesser of the 3 evils. seems like the nice girls never win. i did not watch the first bachelor, so i can't say with that, what kind of girl was chosen, but have to say that i didn't like helene either.

all i can say is "go jen". but like she said, if kirsten is her biggest competition than he probably wouldn't be interested in her because they are opposites. amen to that.

also what was up with tina fabulous and the watch? "it's a pimped out watch, and who wouldn't want to wear it". sigh....not even going to comment on that one!

Caroline

Friday, April 25, 2003 - 11:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I won't be surprised when Christina goes this week and Tina Fab the following week (or vice versa).

Happy Mom and RealFan:

While Andrew seems quite at ease and fairly antalytical in his pursuit, however relentless he may be, I wonder if he isn't really a bit shy and handling this more within his comfort zone --kind of like how he might approach a business venture...

Misspoufy

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 04:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One thing I haven't mentioned, which has really disturbed me is the potty mouths on some of these girls, especially Christina. All you have to do is read her lips to know exactly what she's saying and if I were Andrew I certainly wouldn't want to kiss those mouths! Also, is this (Christina, Kirsten, and Tina) the level of intelligence found in today's 20 something women? If I were in the running to marry someone in a wealth, prestigious family I certainly wouldn't be swearing like a sailor or pouting and acting like a 12 year old. Something in my gut tells me he's going to chose Kirsten. He's always touching her hair and tucking it back, they giggle together, always touching....of course, that's the way Trista and Charlie were edited too and very little shown of romance with Ryan and look who Trista picked.

Mlt

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I have a question. How can a scientifically designed compatibility test find that both Jen and Kirsten are compatible with Andrew? They seem to be exact opposites to me. Or are the 'scientific tests' just an excuse for Andrew to choose who he wants to spend time with without completely alienating the other girls?

And did I just imagine it or did Andrew actually growl when he was kissing Jen?

Clp

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 12:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think they must have used some kind of test because there is no way Andrew would have picked Anne Michelle for a single date over TinaFab. I bet Kirsten answered those questions the way she thought they should be answered, ie girl lied on the test.

Mlt

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, Clp. I don't know why it didn't occur to me that Kirsten might have lied <g>. After all, Jen and Anne-Michelle seem more alike than either of them with Kirsten.

Babyjaxmom

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My theory is that, although he's physically attracted to Kirsten, I think he's going to pick Jen. I think he kept Tina and Cristina because it will be easier for him to eliminate Tina Fabulous and cranky Cristina in the coming weeks, rather than a nice girl like Liz or Ann-Michelle. I think he might have kept a couple of the girls he was least attracted to in order to have someone easy to eliminate. Also good for the drama value (can you imagine the tantrum Cristina is going to throw when she gets cut?--and she WILL get cut). What do you think?

Caroline

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 08:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Babyjax...agree with you on all points.

Regarding Andrew keeping the ones he can more easily say goodbye to: Nearly said this yesterday but I was going to add something not so diplomatic -- Could the producers encourgage these guys to pick their top choices but also to 'go for the drama' whenever possible? Does Andrew really not know of anything going on with the girls except what the girls tell him?

Still can't get this niggling notion out of my head...guess producers will always show what they think makes good entertainment.

Yankee_In_Ca

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 09:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, I'm not usually very controversial, but I'm going to say (ahem) that I don't really see what's SOOO wrong with Kirsten. OK, I see a few things -- like her ultra-whiny voice and her penciled-in eyebrow arches. But other than the other girls *saying* she's horrible, have we really *seen* that she's horrible? Have I missed something? I noticed on the last show that Andrew and Kirsten laughed naturally the most together -- seemed most comfortable, on both sides.

I still feel all the "Mrs. Firestone" stuff is crazy. I said it before, but no one agreed. But the idea of being so forward about searching for a "wife" -- as opposed to a significant other -- seems very odd to me. And Andrew really plays that up at every possible instance. I find it really off-putting.

Watching2

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 09:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yankee,

I also don't find Kirsten all that bad, especially with how she and Andrew get along and what they've showed us on TV. It's only the girls saying how bad she is, they're not exactly showing us when she is supposedly so bad with the other girls.

I also favor Jen over the others. I can see why he let Liz go in that she seemed extremely needy and nervous and there didn't seem to be any chemistry between them, but why he kept Tina (GAG) over Ann-Michele is beyond me, or Cristina for that matter. At first I didn't think she was too bad, but after this last show, I think he should run away from her as fast as possible! She's scary acting! Plus that girl needs to stay out of the sun. For only being 30, wow.... she has worse crows feet than people I know in their 40s.

I definitely think the last two standing will be Jen and Kirsten. Jen just seems more mature and on an equal footing with Andrew than Kirsten.

Also, it's almost getting too reliable on these "Reality Shows" that the person they are making look like they're going, isn't go to be the one who actually goes so they can have a twist ending. I remember often on BB they made it look like one was for sure to be the one to go and it would be just the opposite, same for the Bachlelorette and Survivor, with a few exceptions. FWIW

Watch, they'll prove me wrong this time and he will pick Kirsten. LOL :)

Guminherhair

Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Watch's assessments, for the most part. Although I liked Tina's spunk in the earlier episodes, I hoped for additional positive angles on her in the most recent episode. At this point I have concerns about her being (to quote my dear mom) "full of herself". I find her challenges regarding the "trophy wife" very interesting, as she appears to purposefully present herself as a candidate for the same. ::My clinical training causes me to wonder if her comments about the trophy wife are projection of her perceptions of the role of wife in marriage::. That being said, I also am open to considering the influence of editing.

Kirsten seems kind of bland to me overall, but definitely a player in that she has strategically distanced herself from the competition while inching her way into Andrew's relationship radar range. As one who initially lays real low in social situations(until the waters can be read) I'm withholding judgment on her seemingly self-imposed distance from the other women in the house. I don't notice her voice tone, but I'm from Michigan and have heard from non-natives that our speech is very nasal, so maybe I wouldn't naturally notice such a thing in someone else.

Liz was sweet, but someone I would likely consider an emotional drain in a real life relationship. She strikes me as a very sensitive soul who needs to process much of her emotional reality with someone/anyone. Overall, I have a hard time finding fault with her and wish her well. Maybe she'll find happiness through this whole process anyway. Some man watching the show has to be an equally sweet, tender-hearted vegetarian who likes to speak his mind but less so than listen to the needs of his partner.

Andrew seems like a nice guy but also somewhat superficial and cliche. I can't remember who he was with, or even what he said, but I do remember kind of cringing and thinking if I were on a date with him, I'd be watching the clock in anticipation of the end of the evening. That being said, I must confess that I've always gone for the underbadboydog.

Has anyone noticed that weird eye thing Ancrew has going on? My dear husband gets that look after a couple too many servings of single malt.

Misspoufy

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 04:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think there'll be a big shake-up this week. On some previews I saw last night while watching Forrest, Forrest Gump they showed Andrew and Tina and the voice-over said something along the lines of Tina showing her true colors and shocking Andrew. This just may get interesting!!!

Mlt

Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 03:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Funny, Misspoufy, I think we might have seen the same preview. But I got the impression that Andrew was pleasantly surprised by the Tina he will see next week. But you might well be right.

Curious1

Monday, April 28, 2003 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think I saw that preview too, and I got the impression that Tina opens up emotionally and stops the "hard to get act" and this really impresses Andrew. This doesn't surprise me actually, I think she puts on "the act" mostly when in front of the other girls. It just dawned on me that this will be their first one on one date and that could be the reason Andrew will get a chance to see another side of Tina. We will see.