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Mygetaway

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I never watched the first Bachelor, and have only watched about the last 4 shows of this one. I just find it fascinating how these women can go through that.
I was wondering a little bit tonight if it was "scripted" for a happy ending this time. I think Helene is attracted to him, but I'm not sure if she is as into him as he is her.
How long ago was this taped? I can see why it would cause problems between the couple if they can't see each other again until it airs. Especially when the chosen one is seeing all the video of the other dates, etc.

Alex has been on Caroline Rhea several times commenting on the new bachelor. Caroline asks him all the time how Amanda is, and he always says that they have promised each other not to talk about their relationship in public. She keeps needling him, and he gets very agitated. I don't think it has gone well between them or that they are together anymore. He probably can't say anything for fear ABC will get mad at him.
He is doing something for Match.com now.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Helene seems cold, and why did she dress for the final scene like she was about to attempt a paso doble? Brooke seemed in over her head, and not nearly as mature as they seemed intent on pressing last night. The only thing I really noticed throughout the show (I haven't watched til now) was that Aaron was always the one doing the kissing with Helene, and Brooke seemed to be the aggressor when she and Aaron were kissing. Brooke jumped in way too fast with the family, and I think Grandma had some things to say about her that maybe weren't tv13 compatible. Of the two, I think Helene was the right pick for him but I'd be surprised if they get to the altar. Her marriage acceptance was more of a "but of course - let them eat cake!" sort of thing. Made me cringe. He seemed sincere enough. She just seemed to be playing the game.

And PS I have a theory about the awful dresses they both were wearing for the final scene. I think they both had a couple of other preferred choices, and had to change and reshoot the scene multiple times when they got grassstains from falling down on the lawn they were forced to saunter across in their high heels. Who's great idea was that?

Hermione69

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 04:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I just want to shout out a big THANK YOU to everyone who peeked in and shared their opinions on the show. I had great fun reading them this morning with my cup of coffee.

Would someone post how Aaron's interview today goes because I will miss it and my VCR and I are not on speaking terms! :) Have a good day, everyone!

Weenerlobo

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 06:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I entirely agree that this show could have been one hour long - they stretched out that last hour beyond belief.

I did not like Brooke. She is a very pretty and motivated young lady and I'm sure she'll achieve all that she wants. I just didn't like her at all.

Aaron always got a giggly-goofy look on his face when he saw Helene and I am a romantic as well and hope that it works out for them, although I doubt it.

I don't agree with the comment about Helene patting Aaron on the back. When I hug people I love, I either pat or rub, as the hug is ending, maybe as a way of saying "Gonna end this hug now, and I love you." I dunno, something like that. Besides, I just can't imagine having a camera in my face during intimate moments. I really think that Helene was the most uncomfortable with that out of anybody. She just doesn't wear her heart on her sleeve.

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 06:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I saw the interview this morning with all three of them. Brooke carried herself well, admitted that she still loved him but was very gracious to both of them.

I don't believe that Helene and Aaron will make it. Being apart and watching the show put a strain on their relationship and it shows. She has no plans to move to Springfield. They will continue the long distance relationship to see how things go.

Sbw

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 06:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with Fruit, I don't think they will make it. I wonder if he will call Gwen or Brooke or both! :)

Mware

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Add my thoughts to the group:

First of all, the show was an hour long. Add to that an hour of commercials, and we end up with the two hour extravaganza we all watched.

I knew Helene was going to win since his first one-on-one date with her. The producers were obviously scripting everything Aaron said about the other women. There's no way he was on the fence that long - any guy who sits on a fence that long would be walking funny when he got off it!

The one thing that struck me most about Aaron's proposal and Helene's acceptance was that there was never one time when either of them said "I love you" to the other. When my wife and I got to that point in our relationship, we couldn't say it enough, and they didn't say it at all.

I'm enough of a romantic to hope for the best for them, but deep inside, I can't help thinking that they're doomed.

Nicoleme

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
they are on the View in an 1/2 hour here.

Denecee

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mware, I agree with you and I love how you use the phrase "on the fence". It's true though, I think alot of it was editing or it's all just a fasade. Last night's show bored me to no end. The only two things I found half way interesting is when Aaron's mom asked Helene why she wasn't married yet and then on H & A last date they talked about it.
IMO, they won't stay together. Aaron will be having all kinds of women coming on to him and I don't think he is truly in love with Helene to resist. I like Helene and think she was nervous the entire show. She is a smart girl and will figure out if Aaron is sincere or not.
Peace!

Cricket

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mamaanja stated:
They had an interview with Aaron on our ABC local news tonight after the finale. He said that he and Helene have seen each other twice since the show finished filming and talked on the phone every day. He said the separation has put a strain on their relationship, she's not moving to Springfield any time soon, they are going to take it slowly. He's looking forward to being able to go on dates like a normal couple.
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Well now, that explains a lot. I saw them on the view this morning and when asked how they see each other living such a distance apart, Helene said...well, we fly back and forth. No mention that it had only been TWO times! I knew there was something I couldn't put my finger on.

Also, Aaron said there was a problem with him kissing the other girls when he and Helene watched the show. I can only imagine, lol. I just got the feeling, they were 'putting it on' for the show and the hosts of the View. I wish them the best, but unfortunately don't think they are going to make it all the way.

I have never found Helene to be pretty at all, although she may be intelligent. I just don't see her as crazy about him as he seems to be about her.

Did anyone watch the Regis & Kelly show this morning. LOL, it was hysterical to see Regis so involved in this show (and angry at Gelman for never having the Bachelor on) while Kelly thought it was all a farce and a putdown of women. I couldn't believe Regis was so taken by this show!

Realfan

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 09:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mware, Aaron DID tell Helene he had fallen in love with her. And she said the same thing back. But ITA that Aaron had picked Helene ages ago. And I think she knew it, too. I got the feeling they had private conversations about it. She didn't seem at all nervous the night before, not like Brooke. It was like they had a silent "understanding".

I preferred Helene over Brooke, BTW. Brooke was doormat material. There's a point at which sweetness becomes too saccharin, and Brooke was skirting awfully close. I mean, she ought to be PISSED--at least a little! :)

I saw the interviews the morning show. Aaron and Helene looked happy all snuggled together and touching a LOT. Brooke, poor girl, still loves him. I hope she gets over him!

I never liked Aaron much, but I give him props for buying the ring and actually proposing! (I never thought he was handsome, even in the very early previews which only showed his smile--ugly chin there).

I also admit I like that he picked one of the few BRUNETTES on the show. What a concept.

Mware

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, it's splitting hairs, but I thought it was important. I agree that Aaron did tell Helene that he had fallen in love with her. What I don't remember hearing, though, are those exact "3 little words."

It just seemed strange to me that two people who were supposedly ready to get engaged last night had never even said "I love you." to each other in those words.

Realfan

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, but you can say "I love you" to your father or son or brother or friend. "I've fallen in love with you," to me, is more powerful between lovers. It worked for me, and we don't know what they tell each other in private anyway.

Dahli

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah it's tough to watch your guy kiss other women, but at the time he wasn't HER guy and they were on a TV show that was broadcast to MAKE MONEY!!! Helloooo... she better let that go and remember that signing onto a gig like this - and taking the 'prize' means some stuff is likely to suck!!! So get over it already and move to the next level, if you're sincere. A sulker is not the package she sold him

Grooch

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
If she was really in love with him, and wanted to keep the relationship, the best thing she could have done was not watch the show at all.

There's a big difference in hearing about what went on and being ok with it, than actually watching it.

Mack

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What a show!!! (NOT!!!) Counting the commercials, for easy math, we had probably 30 minutes of worthwhile programing in 120 minutes worth of air time. It was painful! OK, OK....I'm probably just ripped that Aaron picked Helene and I still think he should have gone with Gwen. It seemed to me that the producers were struggling to edit out, or in, enough material to give the show last night some air of suspense. Unfortunately they failed. I mean, it was obvious that Aaron was sold on Helene almost from the beginning last night. His language, both verbal and body, with Helene was much, much different than with Brooke. Don't get me wrong, I think he cares for Brooke but not as a possible mate. I actually finished the show thinking he'd kept Brooke on because he didn't want to hurt her earlier only to realize, maybe, that he'd hurt her more by doing just that and stringing her along. Even she said she knew she was "toast" when she walked into the backyard at the end of the show. Well, heck...with a guy standing there looking like he's getting ready to tell you your favorite dog just died what was she suppose to think?

I'd say, and Aaron admitted as much, is that he's been focused on Helene for over half the show and the others really never had a chance. By the way, not a matter of it being a fair chance, who ever said love or life was fair? Helene is right for him because he thinks she's right for him. I might disagree but, quite frankly, it's not like he asked me for my opinion. And Helene, either deliberately or through blind luck, played him just exactly the way she needed to get him to propose. As a fellow psychologist I'd say she certainly has the mental tools....though she hid that part of herself quite well in my book. Certainly she had the basics....nice looking, smart, educated, etc., etc., and really was easier to take home to mom and dad than most of the rest. More importantly though was that she kept Aaron at arms length, almost to the very end of the show (edited that way at least). Aaron's talk with his father verified that in that his father agreed with Aaron's comment about "fatal attraction" and "how can you fall in love with somebody you don't know". Not very romantic but not totally illogical either. Bottom line...she got the ring and Brooke got the finger.

Will the Aaron/Helene relationship last? Who knows. Long distance relationships are hard....no...they suck! They're going to have to work at it and it's going to be difficult. It takes patience, committment, and lots and lots of love. Been there, done that and it's not easy.

So....it's over and all I want to know is when BB4 starts. :-)

Dahli

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
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Bbfanatic

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 02:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i still can not figure out why helene is considered smart or intelligent ? i find her desperate acting ( not in the fatal attraction way ).

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 02:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Neither one of those fools could find an adjective past "amazing" and "perfect." Hey, ladies - why do you like Aaron? "Well, he's amazing and God meant us to be together." "Oh, he's perfect and God meant us to be together." Blech. Aaron's mom honked me off, too - "how come you're still unmarried at the age of 27?" OMG!! A 27-year-old spinster? Give me a break. That's the rudest question in the world at any age. I'm glad I really didn't watch this show, although I thought Aaron made a good bachelor for the premise.

Fruitbat

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ticked Helen off too. She commented on that.

Sherbabe

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 07:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the same thing. I like Helene a lot less now that it is over and seeing her on all the talk shows today.
Was rooting for Gwen, also.

Ya never know. She might get a call back after all.
Helene will break his heart.
By the way, Vi,......... SIL--means sister in law.
They edited her to be quite the freeze queen.

Maggiegirl

Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After all of the interviews and such this morning, I was switching channels and found a show I had never seen before and they were holding up one of the tabloids, like Star or something, and apparnently at the top of it there was a headline about the Batchelor because they said Batchelor goes from 'the school psychologist' to 'the educator' indicating that he had a woman over to his batchelor pad to play in the hot tub and she didn't leave until after breakfast, but then tonight on AOL chat it was said that he didn't even have a hot tub so.......

Dahli

Friday, November 22, 2002 - 06:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What!? a possible fib in a tabloid!!!

Avrey258

Friday, November 22, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've read through most of the thread and haven't seen much posted about Aaron's parents. Did anyone else get a negative vibe from his mom? She seemed very judgemental to me. On the other hand, his Dad seemed nice. Was it odd that his brother never spoke?