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Hermione69

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Anyone want me to post what happens? I'm East coast. I can try my hand at some spoiling if anyone wants. Just say go.

Denecee

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione69, I would love to know the skinny before anybody else over here in the West, but my teens are always hogging the computer in the eves.

Puttergirl

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 04:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just started an execution poll. I thought it would be fun to try to pick the non-rosee's for the rest of the show. Please go into my thread:
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Please play with me!!!!!!

Hermione69

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I didn't do a play by play because no one really responded affirmatively, but for those of you who are interested, those who did get a rose are (not in this order):

Helene
Brooke
Angela
Gwen
Heather from Texas (brunette)
Hayley

So we said goodbye to:

Christi
Shannon
Kyla
Heather (blonde)

Egbok

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Hermione! I'm a Westcoaster and just popped over here and I appreciate your spoiler.

I've got to know...wasn't it Christi who was so emotional last week (the blonde with the stalker personality)?? If so, how did she react to NOT receiving a rose??

Puttergirl

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's my big question. They said this would be the "MOST SHOCKING ROSE CEREMONY YET" Did I miss something?????? What was shocking about it. I thought it was a bit dull. I figured Christi would have an eruption!

Hermione69

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, you know the previews said it would be the most shocking rose ceremony ever.... it wasn't. The most "shocking" part was Brooke's very long hestitation before accepting the rose with a "Yeah, yeah." No one really knew what that was all about as they really seemed to like each other.

You are remembering Christi correctly. She was very emotional and she scared him a lot. He compared her feelings to a fatal attraction type thing. Not good! Christi did hold it together in front of him better than I thought she would, but she fell apart in front of the cameras. She really seemed to think she and Aaron were meant to be or soulmates or some such rot.

I don't think Brook is all that stable either. She seems to be slowly coming apart at the seams, but that is just my impression.

Hermione69

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Puttergirl! We both posted on that "shocking" rose ceremony at the same time. What WAS that?? YAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNN!

BTW, look for some claws! A couple of the girls get catty! (But NOT at the rose ceremony!)

Yuhuru

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermi,
I'm with you on the Brooke thing, I kinda saw it coming last week. She seems very immature ( I guess she should be she's only 22). I think she's also stressing too much about her dad. I think this whole process is just too much for her. Although it should be a little too much for everybody. I can't imagine competing head-to-head for a guy. I think it's the equivalent of a cage match.

This is just so fascinating to me. I can't relate at all.

Poor Christi, she's definitely going to need some serious therapy. I wonder if she'll be on Good Morning America.

Egbok

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Hermione!!

Hermione69

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 07:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yuhuru (what does your name mean?) Yeah, Brooke set off all kinds of warning flares for me tonight. One was when she said that this is the most "romantic relationship I have been in for a long time." Romantic date, yes, romantic relationship, no. Others shot up when she said something like, "I just realized that I am dating this wonderful guy and my 9 best friends are dating him too!" First how did that JUST occur to her that all these other women are also dating him? Second, how she can she think these other women are her best friends?

She seems to be a very sweet girl and she is totally beautiful, but she does not seem emotionally or mentally ready for this at all.

Christi, well, I feel very sorry for her! I know she totally brought it on herself, but if I came across like Fatal Attraction on national TV with a man I had only known 9 days, I would be mortified. I hope she uses the experience as an opportunity for personal growth.

Gotta get to bed.... g'nite!

Sbw

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 08:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was interesting that someone here referred to Christi and "fatal attraction" last week, and Aaron referred to it that way this week. I think they were referring to Christi's 'I will not get over this' as emotional, but hey it is the way I expected her to act. :)

Avrey258

Wednesday, October 16, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aside from Brook and Helene, I didn't know who he would choose tonight. Well, except for Christie. Why did he give her a rose last week when he couldn't even stand to be alone with her?

I was surprised at his first choice of Angela. Anyone else think she seemed kind of quiet and mouse-like?

Bad move on Texas Heather's part during the group date for dissing Brook. But, it didn't hurt her in the end.

At this point it seems like he likes Helene and Brook the best.

Along cattier lines (is that a word?) Gwen looked pretty bad tonight in my opinion. I thought Gwen and Angela looked kind of washed out.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 04:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All my humble opinions:

I'm not so sure Brooke is going to make it through this next round after her puzzling behavior at the rose ceremony. She also seemed to be pouting a bit during the evening before the ceremony after her self-revelation that she is competing with her "nine best friends." What is obvious is how attracted Aaron is to her and it is important she not start behaving too weirdly if she wants to continue although it certain;y seemed like she wasn't sure about that last night! He seems to be pretty intuitive and is going to pick up on it if she doesn't take a reality check.

Brooke's body language was puzzling to me also. It didn't seem to invite his attention. She often seemed to be holding herself stiffly or leabning away from him. Did anyone else notice that or did I imagine it?

I think he likes Gwen and will take her just a bit farther, but in the end I think it will hurt her that she is a little older than he is. I'm 33 and most of the men in my age bracket have started looking one or two brackets down! I know there are exceptions to this general rule, but it does hold true an awful lot and I just have a feeling he will want someone younger.

I couldn't tell you the first thing about Angela either so she must be very quiet or completely edited out for reasons unbeknowst to us! I also thought Heather's dissing Brooke on the group date was going to send her home. He does not like it when the girls put each other down. I think he kept Heather around becuase she told him "I hope to fine out how well you kiss!" and he thought "Oooo, here's one!" ;) Seriously, if Brooke doesn't tell him about her dad, I wonder if Heather will let it "slip" because all's fair in love and war. Wasn't Heather the one that comforted Brooke in the bathroom last time?

I can't believe how much I like this show. It's a bit embarrassing. No one else that I know is watching it so I'm glad I can come here!!

(BTW, do you think we should ask for this link to be changed to Tonight's Episode-- October 16, 2002)

Hermione69

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 04:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Boy, I had all kinds of typos in the post above. Forgive my sloppiness! Have a good day everyone!

Conejo

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Glad to see that Aaron finally realized that Christi has a "Fatal Attraction" side and cut her loose. Can't believe that she said "If we had met in the airport, I know we'd be together now" (if they could go back in time and had never met on this show). This woman? has some serious insecurity problems.
BTW does anyone else notice that on all of these reality shows that everyone is best friends, in love, or feels like "part of the family" in just a matter of days? It's always taken me longer than a few days to become "best friends", "In Love", etc.

Conejo

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
BTW - Hermione69, this link probably should be changed Tonight's Episode - October 16, 2002. I'm new to posting and don't know how you get the name changed.

Back2reality

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 05:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is just my opinion of course but I thought Brooke hesitated during the rose ceremony because she was trying to decide whether to accept the rose or not. I think she was afraid to accept the rose and move on because she is afraid she is going to end up hurt in the end. She just had the sudden realization that he is dating her other "9 best friends" and I think she realized that she could be hurt.

Avery - you asked Why he gave Christi a rose last week when he couldn't even stand to be alone with her? I got the impression that he learned some things about her after the rose ceremony last week that caused him to not want to be alone with her.

Hermione...I get picked on at work all the time for watching this show!

Muse

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys are talking about how forgettable Angela is, but the one I really know nothing about is Hayley. Barely know she's on the show.

Back2reality, I also got the impression that Aaron learned a few things about Christi after he gave her a rose. His "fatal attraction" comment made it sound like one or several of the other women told him him about how Christi had been gushing about him and their "connection". I don't think he'd get that just from her behavior towards him...so I think earlier he just thought she was very emotional. And in the latest episode he thought she was emotional *and* incredibly possessive, which scared him. :)

Pretty dumb of Helene to tell some of the women about the phone number if she's so worried about the drama in the house.

Christi seemed a little more sane in this episode, although she was *still* too way over the top. I'm guessing that she has mini breakdowns over every guy that she's interested in and/or dates.

Brooke seems sweet, but I agree that she's very immature and rather emotional.

I'm not a big fan of how Aaron seems to force situations where he gets to kiss one of the women. It's just kind of uncomfortable to watch, I guess. Helene *obviously* didn't want to kiss him during the fireworks (kind of wondering if she's really that interested in him, actually, or if she's there more for the cameras). I don't think he's necessarily doing anything wrong (since the women choose to kiss him, after all!), but I don't get why he'd want to kiss them when the moment seemed kind of "off".

Back2reality

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 07:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He had also mentioned something about how she was already in love with him. I also don't think he would have gotten that from her behavior. Someone must have told him that.

There were a couple of women he gave roses to that I didn't recognize...I don't even know their names.

That was pretty dumb of Helene but I assume she didn't think it would upset everyone and be blown all out of proportion.

Muse...You are right about the kiss with Helene. It seemed really ackward. I was sitting there watching feeling all uncomfortable.

Hermione69

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You guys are right. He did seem to force intimacy (kissing) before Helene, and possibly even Brooke, was ready. I guess my jury will stay out on Aaron a while longer. That is a big no-no in my book. I hate it when men do that in normal circumstances, and the women in this case are in a weird situation where they have the cameras and the roses in the back of their minds at all times, so their behavior may not be what they would naturally do in such a situation. Aaron has so much of the power that he should be more careful of backing them into a kissing corner!

And Helene and the phone number-- you guys are right about that also. She did not need to mention that to the other girls, especially if she doesn't like the drama the way she claims. And then to go back to Aaron and tell him their reactions was not cool! That CAUSES said drama. What was she thinking? I just remembered-- she is a psychologist. I'm sure she knew exactly what she was doing now that I think about it. Huh. I'm disappointed. I like her.

Does anyone have any personal favorites?

Ariasmum

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a few things from last night's show:

Thank God Christi is gone! I thought it was too funny that Aaron made it 'best of 3' because he was afraid to spend some alone time with her. I also thought that it was ironic that later in the show she was telling the other girls how 'he' had brought up the previous drama and how 'he' couldn't leave it alone when it seemed to me that that's all 'she' wanted to talk about. Fatal Attraction reference from him was priceless!

I have really changed my opinion of Heather from Texas (dark hair). I had liked her last week when she was telling Aaron on the boat that she wasn't into the drama and I thought that it was nice that she was comforting Brooke. Now this week she's being hypocritical bad-mouthing the girl and I thought her interrupting Aaron during his on-camera interview to sit in his lap was just rude.

Okay, so there's something shady about Brooke's dad. Do we only hear about her parents because there's a story there? I don't remember hearing anything about anyone else's family. Has anyone asked Aaron about his family or he about their's? I wonder if he is going to go home with some of them again. I like to see the interaction between siblings etc.

Obviously the one girl was struggling during the interview with Aaron's friends. You'd think that if Shawshank Redemption was your favorite movie you'd at least remember the title!

I liked Hayley's comment about; Usually when I go on a date to the beach, I don't bring along a couple of my hottest friends and their breasts! Too funny. So true. And, I don't know that much about the Mormon faith, but, what's Kyla - the virgin with the bad 'do, doing with a boob job? It seems kinda' weird to me!

Now onto Helene. I think he really digs her and she's playing it cool. I thought it was sweet that he actually asked her for a kiss. I thought when they talked about her possibly leaving the show that 'she' was going to give 'him' 'her' number. Maybe they should have done that instead of him giving her 'his' number. Although, the other girls may have not been happy either way the note passing was done.

I think Kyla must have done Gwen's hair for the rose ceremony 'cause it was kinda' pouffy and no, I didn't find it to be the most dramatic rose ceremony yet!

Jenhavins

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My personal favorites have changed somewhat. I couldn't stand Ms. Oregon, and I really did like Heather from Texas until the catty remarks about Brooke and her age. Gwen is okay and unfortunately the woman that I do like (Hayley), probably will not be around for much longer.

My reasoning for liking her is the same reasoning that I liked R.J. on AI. I watched the first show and she stood out to me. Nobody really remembered him from the first show and she hasn't been much of a standout on this one. But, there is something about her.

She didn't want to answer the candle question because of her grandparents watching. She always has had fun with this (seems like a free spirit to me). She is happy and you don't see her getting catty with the others. He must see something in her for her to make the final 6. I hope they are leaving some of their conversations on the cutting room floor so that I am just completely shocked when she makes the final 4.

I want the choice in the final four to include:

Brooke
Helene
Hayley
Angela

Mware

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm getting the feeling that Helene is this season's Shannon. Remember how she kept accepting the roses, but never really let down her walls to open up to Alex?

Helene is interesting to Aaron right now because she seems like a challenge, in contrast to Christi who was just a pushover, for example.

There's going to come a point, though, when Aaron will want to know whether Helene is serious about him with regard to the game, and how she handles that question will determine how far she gets.

Gwen still reminds me of Trista, too.

And when Heather from Texas interrupted Aaron's interview to sit on his lap, the camera instantly picked up the fact that you could practically see her belly button through the slit in her skirt. That wasn't an accident, I don't think.

Fruitbat

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
No one stands out to me. Helene, maybe, despite her lapse in judgement with the note. Her claim that she may leave the show due to the tension in the house seemed manipulative as well. OK, I just talked myself out of Helene.

I did like Heather from Texas at first but she made a big mistake telling him Brooke was too young. I didn't think she would take that route.

I dont even know Angela or the Mormon (Kayla?) at all.

So the editing is telling a story, we are onto that by now. It looks at though Helene and Brooke will be the final two and Heather from Texas a possible third place. I am guessing that the ones we know little of will not get a rose next week. There is always the possibility of production holding back with them so we will be surprized, I suppose.