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Rissa

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am ok with the vote. The two were pretty equal for me, that I really didn't care going into the finale {sobbing: KIM!!!!!} Clay has the better voice, Reuben has better chemistry with his audience.

I will say though that Reuben's singing *shortcomings* were magnified everytime he sang after Kelly Clarkson.

PS I never heard a single joke about Reuben's weight. The only time it was even mentioned was when they had the chart up and under Reuben it said 'a lot". If I was on the show, that's what I would have told them to put for me too.... 'age: eternally young, weight: exactly right'. I am sure they would have put his weight on the screen if REUBEN had wanted them too. In fact I am willing to bet huge that they DID ask Reuben his weight and he told them no-way was that being broadcast. Some things are not worth getting worked up about. LOL

Texannie

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I do think that writer lurks here! LOL

Crazydog

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Congratulations to Ruben! Still don't like that "Flying Without Wings" song, yuck.

I thought the Paula and Simon love dream was hilarious, especially the looks Paula was giving.

Kelly stinks. Sorry. I was a huge fan of hers last year, but I was not impressed with any of her appearances this year. She would have been no match had she competed this year, I think she probably would have been eliminated at #4 or 5.

Demeter

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have been an avid Clay fan (and will buy his CD), but I think Ruben and Clay are bnth good people and have a good future ahead of them.

I have to disagree about Kelly Clarkson. I didn't watch last season, but every performance I've seen from last season's contestants has highlighted how much more singing talent this season held. I don't thin Ruben has done as well the past few weeks, but even on his bad nights he seems to have done better than those from last season.

However, I think the American Idol venue is a great opportunity for all of those involved and will open doors for most of them to advance in their careers. Good luck to all of them!

Ladytex

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, I think she does and hangs out in the Clay thread obviously.

Wcv63

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Crazydog and Demeter....it sounded to me like Kelly is having some voice problems. She really hasn't sounded like herself for the last few appearances. Her "Miss Independent" last night was all kinds of off. My daughter turned to me and said "What's the matter with Kelly? She doesn't sound right."

Hermione69

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, because everybody who hangs out in the Clay thread is just a sore loser, right? None of us have expressed congrats and good wishes to Ruben, have we?

Why do people continue to lump everyone together like this? It makes me mad. Of course I am disappointed that Clay lost, but I wish nothing but good things for Ruben. "Those Clay fans" are not all bad people taking potshots at Ruben.

Tishala

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermie, you know that you are not like that at all. ((((((((((HUGGGGGGGGGGG)))))))))))))

Hermione69

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sorry, Tishala, I just had a little flare of temper there for a minute because people are still sparring in both camps. Be happy, people, good things are coming for both of them! And Clay is handling this with a lot of class.

Tishala

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes he is. And the flare up was understandable....it's best to just steer clear of those discussions! LOL!

Ladytex

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione, no one is talking about you. We're speaking of the conspiracy theorists and the folks that even now are spewing their poison and whining all over this board.

Denecee

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved the show and most of the singing.
When they were asking people on the street who should win, the lady who said they both should, was me. Not really but that's what I think.

I have to disagree about Kelly too. I thought she did excellent and might actually buy her cd.

Prisonerno6

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why do *some* people have to keep say the wrong person won, the voting was rigged, Simon just manipulated everyone into voting for his favorite, that Ruben was deperate to win since it was his only chance, Clay is the true winner, yadda yadda yadda?

Because it's human nature. After it was announced that Ruben one and I came to this thread, the first post I read was one that said the fix was in, Simon got his way, and it hasn't stopped since. And trust me, it had been very, very hard for me not to continue to respond to those posts, becuase I feel that each one of them takes away from Ruben's win. No, not every Clay fan has been saying those things, just as not every Ruben fan has been lumping y'all together.

As much as I appreciate the support many Clay fans have expressed for Ruben, I am equally dismayed by the negativity put forth by others. I can't blame anyone for saying what I've been biting my tongue to keep in.

Brenda1966

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
With less than 1% of the vote difference, perhaps they should have just called it a tie and crowned two winners. That way all the fans would be thrilled and they would have had a ton of media attention.

I'm a Clay fan and the way I felt after the show was the way you feel when your team loses the Superbowl. You start trying to blame the officials and the coaches, etc. even though you respect the talent of the other team.

Walker

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
i wish ruben the best but in all honesty he is not as talented as clay is and if the voting was done fairly he would not have won.

Hermione69

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Prisoner, it would go both ways. If Clay had won, there would be some snarky comments directed his way by some of the Ruben fans. Unfortunately, that is how some people tend to handle disappointments, just like some people gloat when they win.

Anyway, one more time, best wishes to Ruben and his fans. This is the way it played out and I am taking a page out of Clay's book in believing things work out they way they are supposed to work out. They are both absolutely lovely young men and I want to do nothing more than celebrate their discovery and the discovery of Kim Locke because these are the three I will be looking for in the future.

Hermione69

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sayonara!

Tishala

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Walker, you *subjectively* think that Clay is more talented and that if all the Clay fans had gotten in their votes, he would have wonm. I appreciate that. Please also appreciate that Ruben fans feel the same way about him.

Prisonerno6

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you, Walker, for so perfectly illustrating my point.

I give up.

Walker

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
tishala, i understand that ruben fans feel the same way towards him but let's be honest, rubens voice alone does'nt even come close to touching clays, i thought this competition was about finding the best in america, well in this years competition that happened to be clay.

Crossfire

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Walker, appreciation of a voice is a subjective thing, not a factual matter.

Different ears are going to prefer different voices.

Sasha

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I loved the Vanessa and Charles duet last night. They have a great rapport. I never thought either was idol material but they proved me wrong. I wish they would tour Canada. I think it will be a fun show.

On another note (no pun intended) I was sad that Clay didn't win. However, Ruben is also very talented. Everyone has different tastes. I am happy for all the performers. They are all wonderful in their own unique way. I think both Ruben and Clay will become successful. Congratulations Ruben fans.

Marameko

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 08:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We all have different opinions, the reality of the situation is that Ruben won because more people voted for him. Clay knows this and accepts this, he will do well in life as a performer as THE IDOL will.
Get a grip........

Walker

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Muse

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think the show rigged the voting to help Ruben win. I do think that they weren't able to handle the number of voters who wanted to call in, though. And I do wonder if they intentionally had limited phone lines just to make sure that the numbers were *extremely* close last night. I voted for Clay for all three hours, on several lines. Couldn't get a vote in. So of course I'm bitter about that. American viewers were supposed to have the chance to determine the winner. In this case, only *some* viewers who wanted to vote got the opportunity. Did you know that Clay's own mother could only vote about 35 times? Ruben's mom managed to get in 200 out of the 205 she planned on getting.

Since it was tough/impossible for fans of both contestants to get in, I do wonder who would have won if phone lines hadn't been so jammed. Maybe Clay. Maybe not. We'll never know. As a Clay fan, that disappoints me. Sorry. :)