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Donut

Saturday, May 10, 2003 - 11:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i have a question.. Could there be any surprises based on vote splitting? For example, I am wondering if last year, if Justin came in second because of a split of the male female vote.. I would think that Kelly and Tamyra wouldve split the guy vote, and Justin got the girl vote..based on the teen idol factor.
Now this year, I dont think people are voting by gender as much since no one is really a teen idol type, except for the surprising fact that Clay seems to be..But it does seem that there are a lot of people torn between Clay and Ruben, so could that split their vote and give Kim more votes?

i started out wanting clay to win, then for several weeks i wanted the win to go to ruben, and then i changed from wanted kim to be second, to wanting her to win.. At first i thought that i cant vote this week because i cant choose one of them over the other, but i really think that the guys will get big careers anyways , but that Kim needs to win to get a career going.. and i would love to see a female pop star who actually has talent and not just a pretty belly button.. Also, this may not be true, but I think that Ruben and Clay were born gifted with naturally amazing voices, and that Kim has probably had to work a lot harder to develop hers..I just see how hard she has worked to change herself into where she is now, from the first show.I rooted for her from the first show, although I rooted for Clay and Ruben from their original tryouts...i dont recall seeing Kim's
good luck to all of them!

Muse

Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 12:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know, Donut. I just think that last season Tamyra failed to really build the fan base that Kelly or Justin did. Unofficial voting numbers were released, and they showed that Tamyra's vote totals didn't really increase that much over time. Justin and Kelly's, on the other hand, did. I think Justin's female fans helped him stick around, but I don't think Kelly and Tamyra split any group of voters (male or female).

I think Kim might get some extra votes since she's the only remaining female contestant at this point, but I don't see her overcoming Clay or Ruben's enormous fan bases at this point. Clay and Ruben both have a lot of female fans, but they both seem to have plenty of male fans as well...Ruben in particular, but Clay too (they just are less likely to go on the bolt boards and gush about how cute Clay is :)).

Marymc

Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 12:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i can't see men furiously dialing for 2 hours after the show (like i did last week voting for clay.) maybe that's sexist....us claymates seem to have a somewhat maniacal quality to us....

Monkeyboy

Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay
Kim
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Ruben

Snee

Sunday, May 11, 2003 - 04:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ruben
clay
kim

Felicia

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ruben
clay
kim

Tishala

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ruben
Kim
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Clay

Realbiz

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ruben
clay
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kim

Kellirippa

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
#1 ~ Clay
#2 ~ Rueben
#3 ~ Kim

During the early stages of AI2 the comment was made repeatedly that the talent was much greater this season than last, but does anyone agree that Tamarya, Christina, Justin and certainly Kelly were much stonger vocally than Rueben or Kim L.? Last season, night after night I was just blown away by the voices, this week with the exception of Clay, I'm often at one point or another during a performance cringing at the off notes.

Llkoolaid

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 02:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay, awesome
Kim, equally awesome


Rueben, I know he is like a teddy bear but he just can't sing as well as Clay or Kim.

Pantageas

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kelli, I think that Kelly, Tamyra, and Justin were strong singers last year(Christina was a 'best of the rest' contestant). This year's competition had three really strong singers, too - Ruben, Kim L., and Clay. Julia had potential, but only sounded strong in the semi-finals. Vanessa had potential too, but was a victim of circumstance.

I think where AI2's talent was stronger was in the semi-finals, and in the final 12. Just about everyone in this year's group was better than Nikki, RJ, AJ, EJ, Ryan, & Jim...

...except the "Debbil" that was Carmen... :)
RJ was better than she was, but even SHE was better than those other five...

Pantageas

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 04:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1) Ruben
2) Kim L.
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3) Clay

Great voice, but I'd never listen to his CDs of "pop" music...

Tabbyking

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and that's funny and points out perfectly that not everyone likes the same thing! i could not sit and listen to an entire CD of ruben or kim. a song here and there, but not several in a row. with clay, i could listen to a complete cd over and over!

Meme9

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 05:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Tabby, I could listen to a whole CD,(and then somemore)of Clay. I hadn't thought of it that way.

Hobobabe

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 07:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1. Clay/Kim/Ruben

A THREE-WAY TIE!

I really do believe I would enjoy listening to an entire CD of all three of these performers. However, just to break the tie, whose CD would I buy first? Probably Ruben's, because strong R&B singers are not out there in the numbers they once were. <showing my age>

Tabbyking

Monday, May 12, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
josh was on inside edition tonight and stated he thinks all 3 left are great but that clay should win.

Realfan

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 10:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<WOW!!! That's very high praise Realfan - THANK YOU so much!!!!>>

You are SO welcome, DJ!! I have something of a music background, if playing in a school band for 8 years qualifies, so I know when music is on key or not. But I couldn't put into words what Ruben was doing in "swooping to find the note" as well as you have. Clay hits it right every time, right out of his mouth, which is why people say he has a "clear, true" singing voice, I think.

And go Josh! Right on. I saw that, too, Tabby. :)

And I, too, would listen to an entire CD of Clay's, easy!

Pcakes2

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
KIM
Clay & Ruben

Djgirl5235

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 12:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Real - of course 8 years counts!!! You're taught the fundamentals of music!!! I have 15 years vocal training, and 10 years piano & theory training... I try not to use technical terms since half the time I can't remember them myself - but hey!!! Clay has perfect pitch, and doesn't let his nerves get in the way of his performance... Everyone enjoy the show tonight!!!!

Donut

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i am sneaking in here to get people to read Kim's fan thread, cuz theres a great article about her trip to her hometown that really made me want to vote for a lot!! check it out...
Muse, thanks for answering all my questions!!

Hermione69

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it worked, Donut, because I am off to read it now!

Bracken

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Back to the original question on this thread:

I really think all three remaining singers are very talented and would support their efforts by purchasing their CD's. However, my preferences in order are:

1) Clay - because his voice is distinctive and he consistently hits all his notes

2) Ruben - because he is versatile in the RnB, Gospel sound, but don't know if I heard a song of his on the radio that I would be able to distinguish him from Luther Vandross -- who is great, btw, but this type of singer is already out there.

3) Kim - I'm only putting Kim in third position because she has not been as consistent as the other two. From some of the her better performances, the girl can really sing. Frankly, I think if she gets the right producer, she can probably do better that both Clay or Ruben only because there don't seem to be many powerhouse female singers recording these days with good material (Celine, Mariah, notwithstanding). Clay and Ruben both have much more competition to contend with in this arena.

That said, I'm looking forward to seeing what direction they each take when they release their albums.

Fruitbat

Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 04:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I will be happy with any of them as the winner. Clay would be my first choice and Kim second if I have to choose.

Walker

Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 05:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
1.clay
2.clay
3.clay

Dreamweaver

Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay - He's great
Kim - She has grown a lot
Ruben - He's good, but always sounds the same to me.

Think all three are wonderful and look forward to hearing more from them after the competition.

Ladytex

Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ruben
Kim


Clay

Meli456

Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 10:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Clay for the win!! He sounds great every time, I even liked Vincent a lot.

Its a toss-up for me between Ruben and Kim. I liked Ruben a lot earlier in the competition, but he is boring me now. He sounds like he's always out of breath towards the ends of his songs, hence the "shouting","hoarseness" and not holding out notes. I don't think it is due to overusing his vocal cords as much as not having adequate breath control. He just isn't showing as much talent as Kim has, IMO.

I have to add that I am so glad that this competition has not ended up being about "image", like they kept talking about last season. This season has definitely been better for me, seeing plump, nerdy people like myself up there. Considering Kelly was the "fat girl" last year, this year is a definite improvement.

Personality-wise, I'd rather see Ruben in the top two than Kim. He seems like a really sweet guy.