Tonight's Show 4/22/03
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Tonight's Show 4/22/03
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Rissa | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:46 am     I must be in la-la land, I haven't seen much defensiveness in here, certainly not compared to the BB board in the last few weeks of each season. LOL Hermione, that's so interesting that we react so differently to the personalities, isn't it? I have to second or third or whatever the Josh Groban suggestion (here is Josh's website)!!! He will blow you away!!! I first heard him about 3 years ago and it was the same type of deal as Clay, just could NOT believe that voice came from THAT body. Now he is a bit older and is growing into it or maybe I am just used to looking at him. Has anyone mentioned his *story* yet? I don't have the best memory so jump in with more details anyone..... apparently about 5 years ago Celine Dion was preparing for a concert in which she was to sing her duet with Andre Bucelli. Andre couldn't make it for the sound check so the composer (UGH!!! I can't recall his name, very famous guy) called a friend of his in the area who teaches voice and asked if she knew anyone who could sing the song in the same key as Andre for the sound check. She said she would send this kid over (Josh Grogan). So Josh gets there and starts singing and the jaws just start dropping left, right and centre. The composer (whose name I will remember as soon as I post which will lead to my whacking my head on the desk) took him under his wing and has been *creating* his career ever since. DAVID FOSTER!!!!!!!!! RFLMAO!! |
Crazydog | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 11:49 am     Tabby, I agree with you re Josh Groban, I do think he's a good singer but I can listen to only one or two songs and that's it for me. And I understand what you say about radio stations overplaying a particular singer. Right now here in Chicago the local radio station has turned into "The 50 Cent Show". They play his songs maybe 4 or 5 times and hour. I agree with you Brenda that Joshua deserves to be in the bottom three. I could see him beating out Kim Locke for third place, which would be a travesty. If the judges are so convinced that Ruben, Clay and Kim are the tops, then they really need to weed out the pretenders. As I said in an earlier post I really would love to see the judges challenge the contestants during the judges' pick songs. Try and imagine Clay singing Blondie's "Number One", or Ruben singing Britney Spear's "Oops I did it Again". Or Joshua with Taylor Dayne's "Tell It to My Heart". They complain every week about the contestants sounding the same from week to week. This is their chance to change that. The only person I see doing well with whatever genre she is given is Kim Locke. |
Realmom | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:32 pm     Lots of good posts about this show, and I find I'm agreeing with quite a bit of what is being said. Sorry to any D. Warrin fans out there, but I find her music boring. I think the songs all sound too much alike. How were any of the contestants supposed to "change it up" if they weren't given a better inventory of songs to choose from? None of her songs were uptempo. I miss the singers being backed by a live orchestra as they were last year. The canned music with background singers doesn't really give any of the singers a chance to shine. The themes have been boring (even though I love Billy Joel) because I'd rather hear a night of songs by various composers. The idea of a guest judge serves no purpose because they all are afraid to say anything of substance. I'd be happy with a win from Clay, Ruben or Kimblery L. I think they all have great voices, and I think those who come in as runner-ups may sometimes be in a better position careerwise. Of the three, Kimberly is probably the most able to be molded into the image Simon has of a pop star. I think Carmen, though I don't think she has the vocal talent, is very moldable and that is why Simon picked her as a wild card. I also believe that Simon is harsh with her to engender fan sympathy and votes. Josh - Really has no right to still be in the competition. Simon was dead on about his singing style. He either forces through his nasal resonators or yells in his upper register. Neither give much control, hence his pitch problems. Carmen - Was better last night and didn't deserve for judges to be harsher with her than they are with Josh. She is one of the bottom three. Trenyce - Her singing is fine. The curls softened her look, but there is nothing distinguishing about her. What would set her apart from every other excellent female black singer? Side note: My daughter is really bugged by Trenyce's and Carmen's "mouth vibrato." They try to bring vibrato into their singing by wagging their mouth up and down and that isn't where vibrato comes from. Josh has done this, too, but not as often as the two girls. Ruben and Kimberly L. with both very good last night. It is interesting how much better Kimberly looks with a hairstyle change. Of the top three, she still seems the most uncomfortable on stage. I'd love to see her just break loose because she has the voice for it. You know, just have fun while singing and not be afraid of opening up. This is one of Ruben's strong points--he always looks like he is happy and having fun when he sings. The emotion shows on his face. Clay - I agree with what everyone has said here about Broadway singers. You can't have a bad voice and sing on Broadway. (Can you tell I'm a big fan of Broadway? I hope Clay took Simon's commment as a compliment because he should be flattered. That said, I don't think a Broadway-type voice should exclude him from seeking a pop career. One thing I really like about Clay is that he seems to really listen to the criticisms and make changes in his performances. Did anyone else notice last night that he closed his eyes less while singing and actually seemed to be consciously trying to keep from crooking his mouth off to the side. My thought was, "You've been practicing looking in the mirror!" I think this shows real professionalism. One last comment: I don't care if a singer moves around on stage or not as long as they look comfortable. I'm in it to hear the voice. I was lucky enough to attend an intimate, invitation-only concert at Long Beach State U. given by the Carpenters when I was in my late teens. The Carpenters attended L.B. State, and I knew someone who knew them, so I got an invite. Karen Carpenter had a beautiful, one-of-a-kind voice, but that girl had absolutely no stage presence. She moved awkwardly and seemed uncomfortable, but no one in the audience seemed to care because they came to listen, not to look. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:33 pm     ideally, i would go to a cd making place where i could choose my favorite song or two of several different artists and have them put onto one cd. then i wouldn't get the filler crap with the one or two songs i bought the whole cd for! |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 12:36 pm     Nice post, Realmom. I enjoyed your thoughts! (Hi Tabby, haven't waved at you yet today!!!!!) |
Realfan | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 01:06 pm     Great post, realmom! I also think Clay really listens to the criticism, and has grown from it. And yeah, as I will never see these people perform in person, and even if I did I'd be in row 5,000 and not be able to SEE them, their stage presence means squat to me. I care about how they sound. But I know Simon wants someone who can go on tour and bring in the big bucks. I'm curious--Have people other than a few here reacted to Kelly's molding and makeover with less than favorable comments? I know I don't care for it myself, which is why I ask. Oh, and THANKS to everyone for the suggestions for singers whom those of us who enjoy Clay might like! I've compiled a list... |
Brenda1966 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 01:25 pm     Real, When I saw Kelly on The View recently, she seemed like the old Kelly and I was glad to see that. When I saw her on AI recently I was not impressed. It seemed like they were trying to make her appeal to the young, hip crowd and weren't letting her be herself. She did win as herself afterall and not some sex kitten. I bought her CD after seeing her on the View and I'm glad I bought it. I think I'm going to like it. |
Llkoolaid | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 01:30 pm     I noticed that about Clay too. Good for him. Usually when I watch the show if I really want to hear them sing I close my eyes. Now I know this sounds silly but I can concentrate on how they sound when I am not looking at them. My only focus is on the sound. I would also be happy with Rueben, Clay or Kim winning and will be sad when any of they gets eliminated. I think they all have a future and will do fine whether they come in 1st, 2nd or 3rd. I like the makeover in Kelly. I like a little spice rather than sweet and nice. |
Hobbs | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 01:34 pm     Wow Realmom, the Carpenters. I would have loved to have heard Karen live. She gives me goose bump still today when I hear her songs. I'm singing "Rainy Days and Mondays" in my head now! |
Ketchuplover | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 02:06 pm     hanging around.nothing to do but frown.rainy days & mondays always get me down. |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 02:07 pm     Kelly was dressed for a "performance" on AI and wasn't an image makeover at all. She dressed up just as she did for Big Band, 70's night, etc. It has nothing to do with her overall image. She's the same old goofy, girl next door with powerhouse pipes. Realmom I truly enjoyed your post and I agree with your points. Clay does seem to try to improve, adapt, and grow with his criticisms. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 02:15 pm     i thought kelly looked 'trampy' on AI. the clothes were ugly and didn't fit her body, let alone her image! some people just don't look good in asymmetrical styles or laced up the back stuff. like me! i would look like a sausage if i were tied into something! it was such a turn-off that my daughter doesn't even want the new cd anymore...and she had been eagerly waiting for its release. maybe if she hears a song or two on the radio and can get the mental picture of kelly out of her head, she will want it again. i know everyone here who has commented on it likes it a lot. |
Maris | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 02:21 pm     FYI the AOL Poll today Which singer on 'American Idol' is your favorite? 40% Ruben Studdard 199,569 25% Clay Aiken 125,652 12% Joshua Gracin 57,811 10% Kimberley Locke 50,193 7% Carmen Rasmusen 36,443 5% Trenyce 23,485 Total votes: 493,153 |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 02:26 pm     Tabbyking, it really is a great CD. Miss Independent is not representative of the albums flavor or sound. You can go here to preview some songs from the album. |
Iscreamer1 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 02:46 pm     Realmom and Hobbs, I remember seeing the Carpenters as an opening act for Burt Bacharac (sp) way way back when. She was notible not only for her voice but because she was a female drummer and the lead singer all at the same time. That was something totally different in those days. I remember there was alot of talk about that. Reading your comments about her being uncomfortable on stage would make sense that she would hid behind a drum set. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 03:09 pm     thanks Wvc, i'll check it out. ah, i remember singing from the song "close to you": 'and on the day that you were born, the angels got together and decided to create a dream come true...' i think that was the song that played at my sister and her husband's wedding back in 1972. he is the one who just passed away in a skydiving accident. i know it was a carpenter's song. and their son goes to long beach state now...so it all ties together wonderfully! karen carpenter was a phenomenal singer but, you are right, she didn't move around a lot, and when she did it looked wooden. 'if you can move your voice you can move your audience' is the way i see it! for someone to move physically, when it's not natural to them, is much worse than not moving at all. some people just aren't dancers....like me!...there was a very fine line between my having enough to drink to loosen up and enough to drink to where i wanted to take it all off in public or dance on the bar...or just throw up, actually, to be more accurate! |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 03:26 pm     Remember, Karen had an eating disorder, body image problems.. she was chubby and very sensitive about it, became anorexic/bulimic and of course that is what led to her extrememly early and tragic death. Her voice was amazing. I think Kelly looks just fine. As for adjusting.. I agree that Clay has worked on things and listened to suggestions, as have Kim and Ruben. Carmen has listened but in some cases the choices are pretty strange (clothing), and Trenyce still flaps, but WAY less than in the beginning; I'd think that would be a hard habit to break. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 03:52 pm     well, i listened to the 4 songs they had partials of...and i didn't like any of them at all, except for 'miss independant'--and it wasn't great. every single line seemed to end with a note that went up down and every which way. i guess they sounded a little like the 80's disco to me, and everyone knows i hated disco! i just want to hear some straight from the heart music. maybe it was only being able to hear the 30-second excerpts, but it was just way overdone for my taste. i did think she looked better with the straight hair...but i'm not rushing out to buy the cd. tabby runs like hell and stubs the big toe on her other foot...... |
Wcv63 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:04 pm     Tabbyking, I can't make you love her. (You should, but that's beside the point!) Everybody has their own taste. Music is very subjective. Her album is a collection of alternative, bluesy, R&B, soul, pop and pure powerhouse vocals. Very eclectic. However, I can promise no disco was resurrected to make this album. |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:25 pm     well, i guess i don't like alternative, bluesy, r&b, soul pop or pure powerhouse! it all sounded the same to me! notes that went all over... |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:33 pm     Music really is VERY subjective. We are all drawn to such different things. Even within the same genre, we may like some artists and not others. Who knows why? One of my favorites of all time is Tom Petty! I am the first to admit that he does not have the best voice in the world, but I can listen to his music for hours and hours! BTW, Brenda and Rissa, thanks for the additional info on Josh.  |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:37 pm     Speaking of Tom Petty, I would LOVE to hear Clay sing Free Fallin' or Walls! |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:42 pm     I would also love to hear him sing Your Body is a Wonderland by John Mayer! John Mayer, now he is another one who makes me tingle! Okay, I will shut up for now. |
Froggiegirl621 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:56 pm     Ditto on John Mayer...he makes my knees weak! I wish they would let us pick the song for each contestant to sing, we'd pick songs that would MAKE them sound good! |
Meme9 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 04:56 pm     Hi Everyone! I haven't posted much in this thread, but I've been taping and watching the shows later. I tryed what Simon said about listening to Clay with my eyes shut...and he is even better that way. Now don't get me wrong I think Clay has the best voice, and I like his look(it shows kids you don't need to look exactly like others). But, WOW he is great at pop, with my eyes closed, or open. I think his hand and arm gestures are what makes it come off as Broadwayish. Those of you with it on tape, try it with your eyes closed. I even did it with all the kids...and my picks are Clay and then Kim or Ruben for second. Kim is really doing good, and she looks like she is having a fun time. Top 3: Clay, Kim, and Ruben Bottom 3: Josh, Carmen, and Trenyce |
Realmom | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 05:10 pm     Thanks, Hermione, Tabby, Realfan, Hobbs, etc. I'm really enjoying this forum. I feel fortunate to have seen Karen Carpenter in concert. Now, I hear that there is a Neil Sedaka night coming up on Idol. I saw him twice in concert. I know his voice isn't to everyone's liking, but he is quite a showman and did a great concert. Will someone do the slow version or fast version of "Breaking Up is Hard to Do"? Or maybe a combo? I'll admit I also saw John Denver in concert. I had a roommate who was seriously obsessively in love with him. She took me to see him in concert for my birthday. Then I had to sit and be embarassed through the whole thing because she cried and sang along with him--loudly! I grew up in Long Beach, hence all the access to concerts. My other fav was seeing Simon and Garfunkel in concert at the old Long Beach Arena. We had seats looking right over the stage. This was the concert where they performed "Bridge Over Troubled Water" for the first time, and the audience was mesmerized. We were also on the recording of "Bye Bye Love" on their album, so I'm one of those clappers you hear if you have it. Good memories...music sure has changed, hasn't it? Makes me feel old... |
Tabbyking | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 05:21 pm     realmom, that clapper was you?! oh my, i remember going to stanford to hear gordon lightfoot, and i won tickets to anne murray and larry gatlin the night my first husband gave me my engagement ring (september 9, 1978) and he got into fisticuffs with kenny 'the snake' stabler of the original oakland raiders, and i must have seen john denver half a dozen times between berkeley and san francisco shows. the grateful dead at new year's concerts at the cow palace, jonathan richman in berkeley, tom waites in san fran, country joe and the fish...what memories! and how old i am! lol i saw gordon lightfoot again in concord when i won tickets. i was about 27 and i took a young girl who worked for us after her high school classes. when i went to her house to pick her up, her dad was asking me all these questions, such as, "how long have you had your license? and "what time will you have laurie home?" and finally the poor girl said, "dad, she's my boss. she's really old!" i was just happy he thought i was a high school kid like his daughter! lol |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 05:30 pm     Anyone going to spoil the results show tonight?? |
Hermione69 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 05:32 pm     I will. let me get a folder started. |
Mak1 | Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 05:34 pm     Anyone want spoiling for the eviction show? They are just singing Shine altogether now, written for them by Diane Warren. |
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