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Lurknomore | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 11:42 am     I came here today to see what folks were saying (and keep practing posting getting ready for Big Brother lol) but I have a few comments to make to you "leary of people who don't like animals." First, not everyone crew up in a rural area where animals existed or in families that had cats and dogs. When you don't go up around something and comfortable with it, then you often begin dealing with them with apprehension. I grew up right outside NYC. I was deathly allergic to cats and my parents wouldn't let me have a dog for many reasons, including allergic concerns. Most of my close friends lived in apartment buildings that did not allow pets. Add to that the fact I was jumped by a german shepard and nearly mauled when I was a kid and I can honestly tell you I am both a VERY nice and decent person, and one who starts out apprehensive around animals. That said, I will ALWAYS warm up to one given time and some allowances for a comfort zone to develop. A good friend of mine had a combo pit bull/great dane. He has the sweetest tempermant you would ever want to meet (moreso than his owner LOL) and curls up at my feet all the time now. We are great friends, but I needed needed Depends the first time I met him. So I wouldn't judge Jen or anyone else too harsly on this unless you know their circumstances or how they handle it in the long run. And Jen did feed those Llama like thingies so maybe she just needs some time. And Fab...just another perspective comment. I think the fact she told his family she was "ambitious" was honest and direct. I did't take it at all the way you did...I took it as someone saying "I want to have my own life and my own accomplishments too and not just sit back and rest on being a Firestone." And I would think being a merchandiser means dealing with vendors and buying/negotiating the prices for the CZ's not being a telecommunications specialist (aka operator LoL). So this may not be lowly as it sounds as that company dealings in at least millions in volume each year. |
Brenda1966 | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:00 pm     Happymom, I saw Andrew on Leno and he said the girl he chose would be moving to San Fran but "no way" would they move in together because "my mom would kill me". So, who knows. Anyway, I'm glad he picked Jen. I can see them as really having a chance together. I also loved that Andrew seemed like a normal kind of guy (except for the old money) and that his family looked quite normal and not all phoney -- not a bunch of Hollywood plastic surgery types. Kirsten's valley girl talk was beyond annoying last night! |
Fabnsab | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:09 pm     Lurknomore, I don't think being ambitious is a bad trait. I am always described as ambitious and I take it as a compliment. However, what I meant by my post is that going into the situation Kirsten was going into, the word "ambitious" could have many negative connotations. She was in a room full of people who were picking her apart and she said she was ambitious but didn't know what she wanted to do in life. Those two things conflict, IMO. |
Sisalou | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:10 pm     My mom was one of those people that didn't "like" dogs. She was going through a tough period in her life and my brother convinced her to get a beatiful german shepard. She treated "Bud" better than we were ever treated! None of our family or friends could believe how crazy she was about that dog. Now she and my dad have two dogs that were rescued dogs and Mom and Dad have to sleep in separate bedrooms because they each sleep with a dog. LOL Needmylifeback - That was an EVIL look. Andrew should have been very, very afraid! I am so pleased with the outcome of this one. |
Lurknomore | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 12:30 pm     Well Fab keep one more thing in mind...as with all of these show, all we get are edited soundbites. We have no clue of the full conversation. So who knows what else was said, or in what context, that we missed. It is one of the reasons BB has been my favorite addiction is cause we get to watch it all...well true Arnie has edited the "live" computer feeds more and more (I already am dreading the FOTH and that damn music) but we still get a much broader picture. |
Lurknomore | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 01:02 pm     Came back cause I realized I left one thing out of an earlier post of mine. Given Kirsten's personality and style (brb need to see if that Survivor barf bag is still around here hehe) I think she would be perfectly suited for flirting up to vendors and trying to wine and dine them into a better deal. I just can't believe Andrew STILL seems to have not seen through her. I wonder if he will when he watches the comments she made out of his earshot. Of course we'll probably never know. Bummer. |
Realmom | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 01:10 pm     Just have to weigh in about last night's show. Andrew has been my favorite bachelor because he is the first one who has had a personality. I was so relieved that he chose Jen. Some thoughts: - My dh had never seen the show, but was doing something in the living room last night and got caught up in what I was watching. He could not stand Kirsten--said she sounded like "Drunk Girl" from SNL. He asked me if she always talks like that or if she was drunk. I've noted her total lack of diction before, so if she was drunk that wasn't the reason. He also said she talks like someone who isn't very smart--babbling on while saying nothing. Even though I mentioned that Kirsten is prettier and that I was worried that Andrew would pick based on looks, my dh (a man who prefers brunettes) said that he thought Jen was much prettier. I do think the personalities make Jen a prettier woman. - I had no idea alpacas were so cute! There are a number of alpaca farms in the neighboring countryside outside of my city, but I'd never seen one. They are supposed to be easy to raise and wonderfully gentle animals. - My favorite part of the night was when Andrew's sis made sure that "Miss Ambitious" understood that the Firestones have a comfortable lifestyle because they all work for it. Guess she wanted to make sure Kirsten wouldn't be expecting Andrew to have time to jetset off to Europe or other vacations when he "needs to work" (i.e, "You're going to be working, too, honey!") to keep the family business going. - I was impressed with Andrew's family. They didn't seem rich snooty at all, but rather a family that works hard together so that they can enjoy a certain lifestyle--very down-to-earth. - Even though Andrew has been raised to have gracious manners and to handle various social situations with ease, I loved it that when he gets nervous with a girl he gets tongue-tied. I found this quite an endearing quality. I think that Andrew was smitten with Kirsten's looks from the beginning, but for several weeks I've felt he was in love with Jen. It was just something about the way they were together--body language and lots of smiling/laughter. This was obvious with Trista/Ryan, too. I do think the show is edited to keep the audience in suspense, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out that ABC scripted some of Andrew's comments about Kirsten. You had to be blind to not notice that the Firestone family took to Jen and loved her, yet was quieter and seemed more suspicious of Kirsten. Nevertheless, Andrew's script said the family embraced both girls and loved them both. That's not what I was seeing. If you think back on all the past Bachelor/Bachelorette shows, the families never expressed a preference for one finalist over another. Really? Or is that just what ABC wants us to see? Who knows what is expressed when the cameras are off. Surely one of the families on one of the shows had a preference, yet the viewing audience has never been privvy to this. Andrew's body language with Kirsten on the visit to his family and the last date are different than they are with Jen. Watch his face--I think he doesn't hide his emotions very well. The line that was used over and over was, "I can see K (or J) being Mrs. Firestone." It was almost always said in voiceover--did he really say it all those times, or was it edited in? The brother coming out to talk to him was good television and caused the confrontation between A and K on their last date, which was also good television. I bet big brother wasn't the only one in A's family who talked to him about Kirsten. Think how much easier it will be for A to tell Jen, "I had a script for much of what I said about Kirsten in the last few episodes. I didn't really feel that way because I loved you." Andrew seemed so genuine in his proposal to Jen and not all that broken up about dismissing Kirsten--not exactly the way I would expect a young man to act IF he had just made his decision that morning or the night before. He seemed more relieved to be getting rid of K and dreading dealing with her rather than seeming broken up because as of a couple of days before he thought he might be in love with her. So much for my theory of editing conspiracy--I'm the sort who always figures out the ending to movie mysteries and mystery novels before I get to the end, too. |
Bracken | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 01:40 pm     Perfect assessment Realmom. I, too, find it hard to believe he felt that strongly for Kirsten up to the end and then just turned around and proposed to Jen. This is TV after all and the finale would have been a bore without all the suspense. That said, it is a shame that in order to satisfy the viewer and keep us coming back for more, the participants have to be edited in such a way as to make them somewhat believable about what is actually occurring. Then we believe it and are appalled at their behavior -- how could he propose to Jen if he was leaning towards Kirsten just the day before. It's definitely a rock and a hard place situation with none of the principal players allowed to say "its all in the editing, folks." Just MHO. |
Becca | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 01:45 pm     You know something. I always thought Trista would be choosing Ryan. In fact, it looked obvious to me. Why, because whenever Ryan read Trista one of his silly poems, she'd be bawling. She never had that kind of emotion over Charlie. Did they edit it to make it look different, yes? However, it seemed obvious to me because of how she was with Ryan. When I heard the "spoilers" I actually thought to myself. First of all, easy plant. Second, if its true Ryan must have really really screwed up. Jen/Kirsten thing was less obvious. However, I think his family where on their hands and knees praying that he'd choose Jen. |
Kimmo | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 02:19 pm     I think it was pretty clear he had feelings for Jen for a while-- There is the body language (the way they made out in the car was different from the way he kissed the other ladies), the robe he gave Jen, showing her where he wanted to have his house, talking to her at dinner about how they would proceed after the show....And leading up to the proposal-- he said he had been waiting for so long to tell Jen that he loved her. But then, with the date stuff, maybe similar things did happen with Kirsten, but I can't imagine it. Eh. I felt sorry for Kirsten, she is so immature and unfocused. When she said the thought of Andrew proposing to Jen made her want to throw up, Kirsten sounded pretty juvenile. |
Realfan | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 02:59 pm     "It makes me sick to my stomach! It makes me want to throw up!"--Kirsten's last words on Bachelor III. <<Did anyone else notice that when Kirsten was telling Andrew's family what her family's reaction was to finding out that Andrew was a Firestone she kept saying it made them "weary". Or was I hearing that wrong? (I want to see the original or a certified copy of her degree <g>)>> YES!! As someone with a journalism degree (news-editorial emphasis; i.e. newspapers) and a lifelong writer and editor, I cringed! She meant WARY, but with her horrid speech patterns it's hard to tell whether she really doesn't know the right word, or just smooshes all her words together so badly, it sounds wrong. If that makes sense. Mlt, thanks for researching who was in the limo with Tina. Didn't the girls find out he was a Firestone AT the first party? How could they discuss it in the limo on the way to the first party? Maybe it was in the limo home from the first party? Or did Tina mean someone she rode with changed their tune at the party, after learning about the Firestone thing? Inquiring minds want to know! |
Crazydog | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 03:09 pm     I thought Tina said that someone changed their tune at the party, and it was someone she rode in the limo with. |
Kimmo | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 03:17 pm     Realfan, with Kirsten's "weary"-- I thought she was mixing up LEERY and WARY, it was painful! |
Mlt | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 03:48 pm     Okay, I just thought of another complication to the Bill story. I'm not sure we've heard even half of the truth behind that one. Because... Well, does anyone remember when Andrew grilled Tina (not the fabulous one) about Kirsten she said something like: Kirsten has said things in front of you which you can't have ignored - like, 'I usually don't keep a man more than 30 days.' Now, Kirsten is 23. She told Andrew on the final date at the bachelor pad that she and Bill had been together for the past three years. So what was the 30 day comment about? The person who I felt the most sorry for on last night's episode was Bill. Can you imagine how it must feel to be called 'some poor [beep]' (which is what Andrew's brother called him) on national television. |
Bracken | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 03:57 pm     So true Kimmo and Realfan, I kept yelling "its wary" at the TV. After reading your post Kimmo, it looks like Kirsten has just created a new word. Weary = leery or wary. Or, in other words, how the Firestone siblings felt about you, Kirsten. lol. |
Kimmo | Monday, May 19, 2003 - 04:12 pm     Hey, I guess I spelled Kirsten's new word wrong-- She was saying WEERY, not "weary"! That said, I feel bad. She was nervous and probably getting the wary/leery vibe off everyone in the room, so she felt an obligation to "mirror" the feeling and then moments later it all blew up in her face, ending with sister Hayley emphasizing how everyone has to work in the Firestone family! Ugh. Speaking of Hayley, she referred to Kirsten as "stunning in every way." Do you think she meant this in a less-than-complimentary way? It doesn't make sense to me otherwise-- Kirsten is stunning in ONE way (attractive), but any other way would be something less than favorably stunning, IMO! |
Wink | Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 08:37 am     Kirsten to Andrew after he gives her the kiss off. "I just want you to be happy" Kirsten in the limo five minutes later somewhat paraphrased "Thinking of Andrew with Hayley makes me sick to my stomach" Hmmmmmm. Gotta lotta growin to do. |
Djgirl5235 | Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 09:12 am     Wink - you're confusing your shows...I think you meant "Jen" not "Hayley"...lol!  |
Wink | Tuesday, May 20, 2003 - 03:33 pm     LOL Djgirl you're absolutely right. I thought Jen was adorable and I am very embarassed that I would have confused her with Hayley the bump on a log. CRS rears its ugly head again. |
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