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Sherbabe

Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
On the last Bachelor, they edited to where Helene was hardly in the picture. I think they are doing that as well in this Bachelor.

They are really not adding much about Jen. And a little too much of Kirsten. Especially, when he says I feel i really have a connection with you.

That is to throw us off, just as in the previous shows. IMHO

Realmom

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 12:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Herm and Tabby and everyone else. Glad to see that people are commenting on this show, too. Tabby, I have a message for you in the 4/23 folder for AI.

You know, I like Andrew better than the other bachelors. He appears to have more personality. I don't understand his taste in women, though. I would go for the smart ones and the sweeties. I'm not a guy, though--most definitely!

He appears to be already completely sold on Kirsten. Jen is nice, but given the others he picked, I have a hard time believing she would be his type. I think he likes "difficult" women.

Anne-Michelle was a sweetie, very natural, but I don't think he felt she was into him and maybe she wasn't. I think her comment at the end was perfect.

Liz - As far as I'm concerned, Liz had the absolute best answer to his question about what she liked about him. Nothing coy--just straight forward, genuine, and intelligent. I really felt badly for how emotionally crushed she was. Liz, honey, there is a genuine, intelligent sweetie out there with your name in his book--not to worry.

Tina - She is a game player. I think maybe she read "The Rules" at some point in her dating life. I think she is funny, but I don't like her hard-to-get act (obviously she's not or she wouldn't be on the show) nor her conceit. I thought she was joking about the conceit in earlier shows, but now I'm not so sure.

Kirsten - Absolutely beautiful girl and that seems to matter to Andrew quite a bit. Isn't that shallow? Not so sure about her ability to carry on meaningful conversation, and I'd be worried that none of the girls like her.

Jen - She's my favorite of the four he picked, but she is sure different from the other three. The other three are quite a bit alike. I think she is going to be quite careful and won't want to proceed much further if she thinks he likes that other type of woman more than her.

Christina - Andrew is just crazy! She isn't attractive, she is pushy beyond belief, and pouts like a baby when she doesn't get her way. Just the kind of girl I'd want to take home to meet my parents--NOT!

I'm gone for a couple of days. You guys all hold down the fort!

Misspoufy

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 04:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've lost any respect I ever had for Andrew. He is a man of no taste, whatsoever. He let the two best girls go, the ones who showed intelligence. Liz is so sweet and her hurt was so evident after the Rose Ceremony. I'm so sick of the evil trio's (Kirsten, Christina, and Tina)tacky, tasteless behavior. All that fighting over a stupid watch, the catty behavior, and the flaunting, temper tantrums <sigh> It's evident Andrew is a wimp who likes a woman who'll boss him around, run his life and choose his ties.

Dogdoc

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 05:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
About the watch: as I remember it she asked him if she could wear it and he handed it to her. When sitting on the couch later with the other girls and the watch was mentioned she said "he put it on my wrist" I don't think he did. I remember her fumbling around trying to get it on. I don't think Andrew wanted her to have it.

Misspoufy

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 07:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
more on the watch: I recall her saying she loved it and was going to take it...and he took it off and gave it to her. Tina Fabulous makes me want to gag, her avoidance of his kisses is not coy, her cutting catty remarks and baiting of the other girls makes me want to gag, and I do not think she's cute, glamorous or anything else, in spite of how hard she thinks she's trying.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really have to let go of some of my tv watching and this show just made it easy for me.

What is wrong with men, are they all friggin stunned. Why can't they see through the phoney bit#@es like Kirsten. Why do they think women are jealous when they point out what she is really like. I hope he marries her and she gets his fortune in divorce court, that is what the idiot deserves if he picks her. He was warned. I hope someday that my grand daughters(if I have any)will be judged on more than t's and A's. It will be a wonderful day when the Liz's of the world are picked over the Kirstens.

Ok, rant over, hard to tell I am not bitter over Liz going , isn't it.lol

Llkoolaid

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I won't even comment on Tina Fabulouse and Christina Cracked.

Sherbabe

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I still maintain, this show is edited this way for a reason. They did not edit Trista picking Ryan or Aaron choosing Helene.
I heard him say this is a love story. Hope he knows the difference between love and lust.

Avrey258

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Since we don't know who he picked, I hope he is watching this show and at least learing something about how these women act when he is not around. The only one left I like is Jen. Liz was so much nicer than Christina, Tina and Kirsten.

On a different note, did anyone else think Tina was older than 22? She looks older to me. That watch thing made her seem immature and silly. What makes her think she would be a trophy wife? She really does think she is fabulous. Not to be picky but what the heck. Does Tina even own any shoes without heels?

Realbiz

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have a question - what is a "trophy wife"?? I'm not sure what Tina had meant in the context.

I also find Tina too much of a play-hard-to-get type, which may not always work in the relationship. Christina will most likely leave next week, I hope.

Hermione69

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realbiz, A trophy wife is a term commonly used to refer to a woman that a man has picked only because she looks good on his arm when they are out in public.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yah can't accuse my husband of that!!!!!!!!!!!!

Realfan

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Curious, ITA totally about Jen's comment, too. I really like Jen. She could SO be my friend. She's sweet, but not a pushover, kind but aware and witty of her own and others' foibles. That credits scene of her in the hot tub was great. :)

I think she's too good for Andrew.

Tina--I thought she would be a gonner. Her hard-to-get coyness, where it was interesting initially, seemed to be starting to annoy Andrew. But he kept her. And yeah, the trophy wife comment was stupid. The watch thing was a little too coy and silly, too, but I don't blame Tina for the other girls over-reacting. I DO blame her for letting them know she was wearing it and implying that HE thought of giving it to her to wear, when it was all a manipulation on her part.

Christina--I thought she would also be history. Bizarre that he kept her. She's not that pretty, she's way clingy and desperate, and she doesn't seem to have a very fun personality. Maybe Andrew likes being worshipped?

Anne-Michel--Not much to say. I don't think they clicked romantically and she's fine with that.

Liz--A cutie. Awfully emotionally invested, but then you sort of have to be for this premise to work.

Kirsten. Still don't care for her. Can't STAND the way she talks! I'm with Jen--if Andrew likes her, how can he like women who are nothing like her?

Maybe that's it--Andrew is picking the women to fill various needs he has:
Christina--will worship him.
Jen--is easy to get along with.
Tina--will challenge him.
Kirsten--will pull the wool over his eyes.

Is Andrew younger than the other bachelors? He seems like it, especially in the way he's always asking the other girls for their opinions on each other--well, mostly their opinion on Kirsten. Like he doesn't trust his own judgment.

I think it'd be interesting to have an over 40 Bachelor show, with all the contestants mature. Would they act just as catty? Cattier? More possessive? Less desperate or more?

Realbiz

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Herm. Tina sure thinks highly of herself doesn't she?

Realbiz

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes Andrew is the youngest among the Bachelors, Alex was 31(?) and Aaron was 28. The ladies are also younger, most being in their early twenties. I think there can be a "generation gap" for being 22 and 28. A more mature group may handle themselves better, e.g. Trista :)

Realfan

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Avrey, I also wondered about Tina's age. She does seem older than 22 to me, both in her looks and her confidence. Considering how so many seemed to be lying about their ages on Joe Millionaire, I wouldn't put it past these contestants to lie.

And yeah, if he picks Kirsten, he's ten times a fool for it, and gets what he deserves--her! Ha!

Webkitty

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Christina still being there just confirms my theory that the producers have a hand in who stays and who goes.
Its obvious to me that Andrew has no physical chemistry with her. He seems to have an: o-kaayy.... crazy girl!...... attitude toward her. Only explanation: the producers want her to stay so we will continue to watch in anticipation of her departure. I will be shocked and disappointed if he ends up with her.
Her bratty and sulky confessionals made me want to pinch her tiny tv head until it popped.

I was sorry to see Ann Michelle go, she seemed nice and they seemed to have an easy banter.

Liz was nice, but too emotionally needy for Andrew. He seems to be looking for a mate who has the confidence to walk in stride with him through life. And, I think she hit the nail on the head when she said she thought Andrew viewed her as a little sister. Its normal to have physical attraction as one of the considerations when choosing a life long mate.

Kristen's voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me. Her manner of speech is extermely immature and I get no sense of "class" from her. She seems flighty and flaky and bells go off for me as far as the fidelity factor goes. I can't imagine her fitting in to the Firestone family clan. But, Andrew's freinds seemed to think she would, so what do I know, lol.
More importantly, I don't get the sense that she has the same intense physical attraction to Andrew that he does to her. (He has the hots for her bigtime.)
I bet just about everyone has been wildly attracted physically to someone in their life who was not a good fit otherwise (or knows someone who was) Its all about hormones and pheramones with him regarding her. How else can you explain him not needing earplugs when she talks, cackles and screeches? I can't blame him for this, because its a powerful force.
So, I am willing to cut him a break for now. If he chooses her in the end then that's a different story. All I have to say in that case is good luck Andrew, your in for a wild ride with this one! lol.

Tina likes to play mind games and is becoming more yuk for me every show. I don't sense any physical attraction to him on her part at all. I think she is intrigued with playing the game against the other girls more than she is with Andrew himself. He is a good looking guy with a great personality and probably hasn't had the cold shoulder before, he's intrigued with her, but I'm not sensing any physical attraction on his part either. I think he would like to "see" if there's any, but she won't let him. If she showed more emotional and physical warmth towards him I would say they might be a good match to fit into his family, but so far, nothing. She will have to thaw out and drop the mask or I can see her getting the boot.

That leaves Jen. I still think she is the one he will choose. They seem at ease together, she doesn't seem intimidated by his Firestone lineage and has warm and easy way towards him. Also, all that lip smacking in the limo seemed pretty real to me. (for both of them) There seems to be a two way attraction. She seems nice but secure in general about who she is at the same time. (except when it comes to Kristen)

Denecee

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like your take on last night's show Realfan. The only thing that I don't agree with is the Liz thing. I think she tries to hard. I feel sorry for her but if I was Andrew I wouldn't have picked her either. Is it just me or would you know when a guy wanted to kiss you or not? Then you ask and the guy doesn't kiss you, I'd be taking a hint especially if I knew he was kissing the other girls.

As far as the watch thing goes, I thought it was so junior high and made that way by the three still there not Jen. Jen is my fav at the moment, but like somebody already said, she's too good for him.

Tina lost me on her game playing tactics, but then again she knows she is on a show so why not make it a show?

Puttergirl

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Realfan, I've been thinking for a long time that I'd like to see a bachelor or bachelorette with "older" people too. I think it would be great to see people over 50, but I guess it wouldn't appeal to the target audience.

Realbiz

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Andrew's older brother (Adam? 30'ish) was supposed to be picked for the show - until Fox found out he is married with childern, then they approached Andrew as a replacement, younger but "it's all in the family".

Happymom

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I am back to not liking Tina Fabulous very much. IMO she went from fake and pageant-like in the beginning to not too bad on the last show. She seemed more natural, just very concerned about clothes and her looks. On the show last night, I thought... yuk. She seemed very immature with the whole watch thing, especially at the rose ceremony.

I still think she may do well (I don't think she'll be the final one standing), if she acts pretty decently with her family.

None of these women seem right for Andrew. Christina is only there because he and Anne Michelle didn't have sparks. Jen seems very decent, but I don't know if she is exciting enough for him. (Probably the editting there.) How he can tolerate Kirsten's manner of speech, I do not know. It sure doesn't seem to fit with his lifestyle.

On the other shows, it seemed as if there were a couple people right for Alex, Aaron, and Trista. None of these 4 women seem right for Andrew at all. (Anyone agree with me on this? I do like Jen the best and hope she'll win, but trying to look at it from Andrew's point of view, I see no match.) I did hear on some show that he said he did find love on the Bachelor. Of course he'll say that for PR purposes, but as of now, I do not see him making a long time love connection out of this with any of these four remaining women. I wonder if he'll really propose. The way he talks, he seems very focused on finding a wife.

Realfan

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<< like your take on last night's show Realfan. The only thing that I don't agree with is the Liz thing. I think she tries to hard. I feel sorry for her but if I was Andrew I wouldn't have picked her either. Is it just me or would you know when a guy wanted to kiss you or not? Then you ask and the guy doesn't kiss you, I'd be taking a hint especially if I knew he was kissing the other girls.>>

Very true about Liz. I was trying to be generous in my assessment, but that led to me not being quite as honest as I could!

Webkitty, I agree about the producers having a hand in the selections. Have believed that from the first show. I would think they wouldn't have a hand this late in the game, though. Only four girls left. This one has sure moved quickly, hasn't it?

Kellsma

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is my take on it-don't know if it is worth anything but I can only hope.
Final pick will be Jen. Andrew kept the other three because he would rather "lead them on" then the other two he let go last night. His mind might already be made up and like Jen said last night, she would rather go now then get more involved. Wouldn't you rather go early than being number two? So, Andrew being the nice guy felt Kirsten, Christina and Tina could handle it better or deserved to be dragged on only to get dropped later. Am I making any sense? Like I said, I can only hope that is his thinking. Let the nice ones down early.

Webkitty

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kellsma, that makes sense. Look at how broken up Liz was and she never even got to kiss him. It was the kindest thing to let her go now.

Anne Michelle took it well. I think he sould have kept her and booted Christina (in keeping with your theory) Chistina already is hanging on the ledge. Leading her on to meet her family is going to produce a meltdown if he does not choose her in the end. This is why I think the producers still have a hand in this.
We get to see just how intense she is regarding Andrew, but he may not know the full extent of it. I think if he did, he would have cut her and kept Anne Michelle (giving him the benefit of the doubt and blaming it on cold hearted producers who want ratings above all else)

Alisons

Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am totally on board with the theory that he kept the witches so that he would not have to feel bad about letting them go - except - I think he really does have the hots for Kirsten. Face it, Liz would be a basket case if she were trapped in the house with Kirsten and Tina or Kirsten and Christina. They would eat her alive! But also, as for letting a "nice" girl go, I certainly have not married or even been the most involved with the nicest men I have ever met! The two men who I would say are the nicest are my two best male friends! I have kept them in my life but not as my husband. We are all friends and go out together as couples, but I'm glad that it worked out the way it did!