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Nanarobin

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the 2 hour phone in limit...I sure did mess up...glad it did not cost me $$$. I get a few free text messages on my cell. Next week, I will ensure I see the show on time and call call call for my favorite.

Not sure how I got so messed up on the vote timing aince I had never done it before! I don't know why as I have paid for BB votes in the past!

Thanks again....

Pantageas

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
People who vote for Josh over Ruben iz the "Debbil"!

Floridalu

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe it was the Marine Corp that voted for Josh. hmmmmmm!

Fruitbat

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am stunned. I can only think the armed forces are going to keep Josh in. I can think of no other explaination.

Sadiesmom

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Conspiracy theory. I went to a few boards las night, looking for a certain piece of information, and noted that a number of people said they voted for Josh for 2 hours to get Trenyce off. They were surprised that Josh was still not in the bottom 2. You might call this overplaying your hand.

Texannie

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 05:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Curious, I tend to agree with your theory rather than Fox in cahoots with the military! It definitely made for better television than if it had been Josh and Trenyce as the bottom two.

Hobbs

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We had this debate during BB, so lets start it again. Is this a game show according to the FCC? There is a million dollar prize at the end for the winner. But, is it really a prize for winning? Or a contract for a million dollars for work to be performed?

If it is a game show, then there can be no manipulation. If it isn't then they can do anything they want. That said, they are risking the entire American Idol enterprise with a scandel if they mess around. I don't think they want this thing to crumble down around them. Too much money to be made. I think it's pretty much legit.

Hermione69

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have thought about this a lot on the last 14 hours. I agree with what Hobbs said. I do think it is legit. That's just the way the votes fall sometimes. Maybe there are huge numbers of people who like Kim and Ruben equally and now that Kim is doing so great, but was in so much danger earlier, they have started to fight to keep her in, and Ruben may be missing some votes he used to get. Also, Josh could have picked up some of Carmen's fans. They both had a country sound, didn't they? Maybe they were getting the country fan base and now it is just Josh getting it. Country music is a booming industry. Millions of people like it. I don't think Ruben deserved to be in the bottom two, but I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy going on, whether by Clay fans or Trenyce haters, or what-have-you. It happens. We saw that last year. We will probably see it again.

Jeep

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto to Hermi and Hobbs.

edited to add: also see my post in Wake Up America about why I thought Ruben was in the lowest two.

Wink

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ditto to Jeep's ditto.

Jasper

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 06:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Last night was shocking, but I was impressed with Trenyce, she was very gracious with her thank yous to the judges et al. Josh definitely should have been the one to go.

And, don't throw anything at me, but Justin, all I can say is ick.

Texannie

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
YES!! Jasper...I totally agree!

Essence

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm sure it's no secret that I am a Ruben fan. I was just as disappointed as many of you were to see him in the bottom 2.

Do I think it's a conspiracy? No.

What does this say to me? Everyone left in this competition has a huge fan base, and you can't discount any of them. I learned that last year after watching my favorite leave the show in 4th place.

I think Josh is the worst of the bunch left (and yes I felt he should have left before Trenyce), but, oh well, that's not what happened. I don't believe that he will win this competition, but as others have mentioned...you have to vote for who you want to stay in.

Some people say that Ruben has to raise his game, change it up a bit. People aren't voting for him because "He's the same 'ol Ruben." I don't think this is necessary. Ruben's fans like him the way he is. He doesn't need to change a thing. If he were to change he would be disappointing the people who like him for who he is. If this causes him to lose this competition, so be it. Even though I will definitely be upset if he loses to Josh, I (along with other Ruben fans) will be waiting patiently for whatever comes next for him.

He is a true talent and will be rewarded accordingly.

I say good luck to all of them.

Hermione69

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Very nice post, Essence. I agree with you.

I truly believe that, regardless of the winner, Ruben, Kim L. and Clay will ALL have many doors open for them. Just like the most talented three of last year did.

Smile, everyone! :)

Crazydog

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with you Jasper and Texannie, I just don't get the appeal of Justin. I thinkhe is so smarmy.

Ladytex

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You are so right, Essence. I hope Ruben does not change a thing. As he is now, I could listen to his CD over and over. He will do fine. He is a wonderful young man and he has it together.

Snee

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree essence, although i think ruben did change it up somewhat to do 'breaking up is hard to do'. i say somewhat because he made it rubenesque.

i also thought trenyce was gracious. good for her. and her last performance was just great; she went out with a bang. enough of a bang to do some good for her, i hope.

Skypilot

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Trenyce didn't seem to be bothered one bit at being voted off. Either she has something in the works already or she knows that one day her star will come-I'm sure it will. As I've watched her over the past few weeks I'm baffled that Simon once told her that of all the contestants she was the one he knew the least about and that she seemed to wear a mask. I've always thought that she seemed to be having fun up there on stage and as I said in a post awhile back she even seems to vamp it up quite a bit. Although, I like Rueben, I'd say that he is the one that comes closest to wearing a mask. Simon even finally commented on it. Rueben will seem warm and smiley while singing and then immediately "shut down" and go stonefaced when the song is over. Anyway, I'll miss Trenyce. I think she was the bravest of all of them with her song choices. She certainly did Tina Turner proud in my opinion.

Crazydog

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree 100% Skypilot. Trenyce was entertaining and willing to choose songs that are so closely associated with some of the greatest divas in music. I loved her "Proud Mary".

I heard that Whitney Houston is guesting on Boston Public when some kid asks her to be his prom date. I also heard that Trenyce is guesting as one of the kids and sings a song with Whitney. Is this true? If so, what a great opportunity for Trenyce to sing with her idol.

Jedisan

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually - they showed a clip of the "making of" Boston Public on last nights show
Trenyce will get to sing with Ms Houston, and i also saw Ruben in this episode - going head to head with Steven (the principal - Chi McBride)

looks to be a good finale.

Hermione69

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, so Ruben really is in the episode?? I thought they were just having fun on the set. Cool!

And Trenyce is, too! I will definitely have to watch the finale. Thanks for the heads-up!

Mak1

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can anyone tell me when the finale is, please? My daughter is an "extra" on that episode and told me I will be able to see her right beside Whitney when she goes up on stage....or something like that, lol, I need to double check so I'm watching for her instead of Whitney.

Jedisan

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The season finale of BP is on next week (monday)
Herm, you may be right after all - i did not see them make a big deal of Ruben being there as part of the show, and they did make a point to show Kim behind the scenes, et all.
But it did look like he was shooting a scene.
We will have to tune in and watch.

Texannie

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 04:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am not sure that they were shooting those scene for real...I think they were just playing around.

Mak1

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you, Jedisan. FWIW, my daughter is an AI fan and didn't mention seeing any of them there while they were taping the Whitney segment. That doesn't mean they weren't there, just that she didn't see them. She did see Bobby Brown all over the place and was very unimpressed with him, lol.

Djgirl5235

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 07:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The final is the 12th of May, not the 5th... there's still two more episodes. As far as I know, the AI kids aren't on the show, they were only joking around on set...

Ladytex

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 07:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The episode on the 5th has Method Man and not Whitney Houston. She is on the show on the 12th.

Seamonkey

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Someone please post a reminder on the 12th?? I don't watch this show and wouldn't for Whitney but for MAK's daughter, that's a different thing.. Mak.. get her to describe exactly how she was dressed, etc. so we can watch one of our "TVCH own" :)

I'm not a Trenyce fan bit I've certainly been impressed with her willingness to make changes and I thought she went out with complete grace, and that is a huge plus for her. I'm betting she'll have some gigs like Carmen and Kim C really really SOON.