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Nanarobin

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is now clear to me why Clay was acting like he wanted to tell Ruben something at the end...I just reviewed my tape before seeing the news. I missed the first 10 min. of the Randy interview..what was said then???????????? Anyone see the first part of noon Fox show?????

Now they are saying that Marines would not give Josh time off to do final show?? What is up with that...thought he was going to be able to do the tour bit...and not one mention of Josh last night...what's up with that, dawgs???

Llkoolaid

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh please, don't tell me they are thinking of doing a recount. God can't they let Rueben have his day. It is not like the title means anything, anyway, now that they are both getting the same prize. I am a fan of both but if I could have voted it would have been for Clay, but Rueben won so let him be happy. Who would benefit from a recount, not Rueben or Clay but maybe Fox and The record producers. I think they are just stirring up all this crap to start a buying war between Clay and Rueben fans. What a great way to keep them in the news.

Crazydog

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am a little puzzled. Last week with 2 hours of voting for each time zone, there were 21 million votes. So that's an average of 5.25 million votes per hour.

This week, there were 24 million votes. The show aired 8 EST/7 central for two hours. So just as the show ended, it just started airing on the West Coast. The third hour of voting for the Eastern and Central time zones would have overlapped the first hour of Pacific. So in total, seems to me there are five hours of voting. 24 divided by 5 equals an average of 4.8 million votes per hour. Not sure why the capacity should be less than last week.

Not sure when Mountain time zone shows are aired, and of course there are the two non daylight savings time states Indiana and Arizona, not sure about their schedules either. But it seems to me that the maximum capacity for votes was not reached, unless something is wrong with my math or analysis.

Meli456

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Josh is saving his time off to do the tour. I imagine that he gets paid a lot more to tour than to show up for the final shows. My brother is also a USMC Lance Corporal (also stationed in Pendelton) and he doesn't make very much moola. I hope the Marines will let him tour, I'm sure he could use the money.

Brenda1966

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fab, I don't know that I can fully answer it, but Kelly's CD is RCA. The executive producer is Clive Davis. The management is Simon Fuller of 19 Management.

I don't understand myself what Simon Cowell has to do with things because he always makes it sound like he's signing them and paying them out of his pocket.

Nanarobin

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I, too, think they need to revamp the voting system for next year....this was a disaster. In the first 1/2 hour after the show here in Indiana (1 hr later that East coast) I kept count of my attempts....200 calls...one vote for Clay...after that I rested and lost total count in the end.

I was finally able to get in a few votes...only in the last 15 minutes of the 3 hours window. I did vote several times on my ATT cell...and unlike the previous week, only got one message back the next day...they week prior, ATT send me several messages thanking me...WHAT'S UP with that..anyone else experience same??

I know, I know....I am attempting to revive from my disappointment of last night show fiasco--but it sure ain't easy, at least not for me!!

Puttergirl

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I just heard the story. The Grud(?) report on the Internet is calling for a recount since the votes were so close. I'll see if I can find it.

Hermione69

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<Hermione pats Nanarobin on the head>

Puttergirl

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Found it:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Hermione69

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
http://www.drudgereport.com/idol1.htm

FYI. I am not in favor of this. Let it rest, people.

Puttergirl

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They say that a network executive is questioning whether it was set up. Plus "FOX will launch an internal review of what led to the voter tally confusion, a FOX source told the DRUDGE REPORT". It probably won't go too far.

Meli456

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Regarding the "executive from another station" who wants a recount... Randy and the Good Morning Live group discounted it as someone trying to get publicity. Strangely enough, if someone was seeking publicity why doesn't anyone know the name yet?

It would be ridiculous to have a recount and nobody is seriously suggesting that. We can, however, be vocal about the fact that the current voting situation is not working as it should. It really needs to change and AI needs to fire whoever is taking care of their data!!! 1,300... 13,000... 130,000... Give me a break!!!! Live TV and nobody checks the facts. THEY are the ones who put the question marks in peoples heads, especially people who are partial to (and fascinated with) statistics like myself.

Crazydog

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What I can't figure out is why the "rival network president" has his underwear so up in a bunch over this. Why should he care? I think he's just jealous of Fox's success with AI and is trying to get people angered and ticked off enough so they stop watching. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the CBS honcho, he's probably irritated that "Star Search" was a failure.

Nanarobin

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks so much, Herm.....I sure do need that pat today as I am so ticked that I am actually right now taping my stories (Y/R, B/B) over the tape of the last night show!! {{my poor tail feathers are dragging and my little wings could not fly me anywhere today!!!}}

I am shocked that I became this involved with a show...I am blaming it all on your TVCH-ers for doing this to me!!! arghhhhhh

Thanks again...for all of you who are posting about the show and news about it...hoping that we can ease out of our total addiction soon...well maybe???...sometime??!!!

CLAY, WE STILL LOVE YA....Ruben, good luck as Idol

Tishala

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
FOX will launch an internal review of what led to the voter tally confusion, a FOX source told the DRUDGE REPORT.

"As far as we are concerned, the votes are not in dispute," said the insider. "We are looking at how the bad math got on the air."

Officially, Scott Grogin, Vice President of Corporate Communications for FOX Broadcasting tells DRUDGE: "The host simply read incorrect information on a live broadcast."

Fabnsab

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are going to kick Ryan in the butt for this messup if it truly was him. He has started a whole controversy by merely misreading some numbers.

Poor Clay, having to find out that way and keep the disappointment bottled up for another 5 minutes and hold his head high. He is a true class act!

Nanarobin

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I know...I know...it was that damned Daffy Duck bandaid on Ryan's butt from the doctor's shot he had to get....that is what made him not able to read the voting totals neither time.

And that dreaded conspiracy bandaid must have MADE him allow Clay to see the outcome vote, to see that Ruben won.

Anyone else got that thought path???

Meli456

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
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Officially, Scott Grogin, Vice President of Corporate Communications for FOX Broadcasting tells DRUDGE: "The host simply read incorrect information on a live broadcast."
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Twice?? Almost two hours apart??? LOL

One thing I've learned in life... never believe a VP!

Faerygdds

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't find it that incredible. My husband who is very intelligent has a sort of "number disability" (that's what I call it). He looks at a number, say 100,000 and out of his mouth with pop "10,000" or "1000".

If you gave him a number like, 133,500... God only knows what he would read that as. It's funny.. he's utterly brilliant, but numbers just get him. It's so funny! I'm always correcting him.

And it isn't just big numbers. if he sees 1000, he'll say a hundred.

Some people just aren't good with numbers. Maybe he is one of them. Add that with being a little sick and yeah... he flubbed it.

<shrug>

I just don't buy a big conspiracy... and I wouldn't buy it if Clay won. The whole show I thought Clay had won and was perfectly happy for both of them.

Walker

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
DAMN IT, I DEMAND A RECOUNT..LMAO

Walker

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
seriously, does anybody know how we can find out who won each state?

Meli456

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Faery -

I have a similar disability, so I can sympathize. I am mildly autistic, but I am also a genius (sometimes called the Albert Einstein Syndrome). Ryan doesn't have that sort of problem though, and at least for me, I might SAY the wrong thing but believe me, I'll know what I said was wrong.

But... I still don't buy the whole thing. I don't think that the numbers thing stinks of conspiracy, but stupidity.

Faerygdds

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL @ meli... you may be right... I was pointing out that some people (even otherwise very smart people)just naturally flub numbers... that's all..

Laura11103

Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You'd think Ryan would've been a little careful.. possibly practiced reading his numbers, not like this was a big surprise, him having to read very big numbers! oy vey, what a screwup.

I enjoyed the final show, love Kelly's song, she looked really cute, glad to see her body a bit, not being covered up.

I really hope Ruben takes this opportunity to lose some weight... he's a really handsome guy and I don't wanna see him end up like Big Pun (the overweight rapper who died before he was 30). Of course Ruben isn't nearly as heavy as Big Pun was, but if he doesn't start watching it, he will be (and so will his brother).

I am thrilled at Ruben's win, I love him, have loved him from the start, funny, I felt the whole season was kind of unnecessary cuz in my heart I knew Ruben was the winner (to me at least), all those other shows were unnecessary, lol.

Oh well, looking forward to next season.