Tonight's Show-- October 23rd
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Tonight's Show-- October 23rd
Jag2000 | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:01 pm     Alec from Bachelor#1 picked a much younger woman and it seems that they are still together (I can't remember her name.) She is about the same age as Brooke. I think that the woman who acts far younger and more immature is Helene. I think that Angela may be the sleeper of the whole bunch and may take home the ring. I picked Dana right from the get-go but she didn't last too long. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:29 pm     Amanda |
Cricket | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:37 pm     Fruitbat, you might be on to something about Angela. I picked her to go, but when he gave her a flower, I thought perhaps she might surprise everyone and be the one he picks. I don't like her that much, though. I couldn't believe how much Helene reminded me of Shannon from last year tonight, and Aaron is saying the exact same thing about her as Alex did Shannon. Yet, these guys keep these girls until the end. I thought Gwen looked beautiful tonight and her hair looked pretty with the tiara. I'm rooting for her to win. She and Aaron make a very cute couple. |
Max | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:47 pm     Okay, I'm on west-coast time, so I'm still watching the show and haven't read all this. Gotta type my impressions as I watch so they are "fresh." Heather: Girl, take a BREATH and LOOK at the man! Can you see that far-away look in his eyes? That impatient expression? The guy does NOT want to be with you! Catch a clue!!!! Geez, I was feeling smothered and I wasn't even there! I think she did just about everything except mount him and he just was totally zoned. No rose for you! Gwen: Well, I guess Aaron doesn't listen to country music 'cause he seemed to think Gwen's statement (the 'dance like nobody is watching' thing) was an original thought. Hello, Aaron? It's a SONG lyric, dude! He obviously likes Gwen and she did look great in that princess get-up. <Warning! Petty comment alert!!!!> I just wish her hair was fixed differently so it didn't just hang there like a think coating of spaghetti. It looks really thin and a long, straight cut is probably not the most flattering way to wear it. <Okay, end of petty comment, but I just had to get that off my chest!> Commercial time! Group date: Brooke, Angela, Hayley Nice boat! Angela was gutsy to bring up the "making out with everyone" thing. Good for her! Hayley (local girl from Lake Oswego, OR originally) is, indeed, too closed as Aaron said. Don't know how she's expected him to get to know her when she's been the invisible woman all along. I really hate the way the girls trash each other. Didn't their mommas ever tell them that what you say behind people's back reflects on you? Helene: Sort of a drag for her to get him the same evening he spent the day with the three girls. Geez, give him a day off first! I really don't like how Helene says stuff about leaving all the time. It's manipulative the way he does it. If you say something like that, follow through. Otherwise, you just sound dumb, IMHO. The slide show was cute. Her comment "I don't play a game to lose!" was pretty telling. "If I don't feel like I can win, I'm not going to try." Honey, we aren't talking about winning money, we're talking about MARRIAGE. Makes me think she is just looking for 15 minutes of fame, not a real love connection. Hard to tell. Like I said, she comes across as manipulative to me. Looks like Helene got the french kisses this time. First one to have that since Suzanne (or whatever her name was) at the winery. Commercial time! Rose ceremony: Suddenly Aaron is thinking "long-term" for each and every one of them. Hmmmm... didn't he just say he wasn't feeling it with Heather? Oh and by the way, Heather? Please take that pillow off my face so I can BREATHE! Desperation is not very attractive. Brooke: Honey, "this time" means THIS ceremony, no promises for next time! HELLO! Do you want a proposal NOW? Not gonna happen. Helene: Oh, now it's "do you have enough time for me"? This girl keeps making me more and more worried. I liked Aaron's comment about feeling bruised and battered after talking to her. Angela: Still seems sort of non-descript. Hayley: I think she never did let her guard down for fear of rejection. Too bad. I'd like to know more. Decision time! <After this brief break> Videos: Nothing much to say about these. Pretty vanilla. Okay, here comes the picking! Before I see it, I predict that Heather and Hayley will NOT receive roses. Let's see if I'm right! (Honestly, I haven't read the thread yet. REALLY!) Helene, Gwen, Angela....and....Brooke Yup, I was right! Well, gee, it wasn't rocket science, was it? I thought Brooke was gonna faint for a minute there! Hayley shouldn't have gone on the show if she wasn't comfortable in "competing" with other people around. Not a very smart move. Guess she never watched the show last season! Heather left gracefully, which was great. Could have gone differently as serious as she felt about him. In front of the others, she was cool. To the camera alone, she fell apart. Hope she realized that there's nothing wrong with her, she just hasn't found the right chemistry with someone yet. Brooke: Okay, so she fessed up that daddy's in prison. Wonder if she told him WHY? Oh wait! She doesn't KNOW why nor does she WANT to know. Next week should be interesting with the parents. Wonder when they will meet HIS parents? Looks like some of the girls' parents are a bit...well....harsh and overprotective! Okay, I'm gonna post this so I can read the rest of the thread and catch up! |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:57 pm     Max......scroll back a few posts and check out my take on Gwens hair and look! |
Shortnsweet | Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 11:31 pm     Watching Heather tonight was like watching a train wreck - you know people are going to get hurt and you don't want it to happen, but you can't stop it. |
Mack | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 05:08 am     Short, that's a great analogy. When my wife and I were watching last night the theme of "Clueless in Malibu" came to mind with Heather. Of course, the producers have the benefit of editing the video knowing what the final outcome was going to be. They then could pick those scenes that build the story in retrospect. It was amazing to watch her go on about the connection that she and Aaron had made when all the non-verbal, and some verbal, signals from Aaron were totally in the other direction. My wife commented about mistakes she'd made in her early dating about seeing things there that really weren't there or trying to make the guy out as something he wasn't. Her honesty with me is refreshing and insightful. |
Weenerlobo | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 06:41 am     Fruit - find Gwen and do your magic. Is it that she has a huge forehead or a receeding hairline? Looks like those bangs she's got are a good 5 or 6 inches long and her hair has bugged me from the first. She did look kinda sweet in the princess get-up, but I felt sorry that the dress was sooooooo long! Ok here's my take - Aaron is attracted to Helene because she's challenging and he's attracted to Gwen because she's the feminine china doll type. He's not gonna be really happy with either of them because they are opposite extremes from each other. Seems like Angela kinda combines those two aspects. Angela is feminine, yet states her case without being sooooo forceful. She just might be the sleeper. Nope, I'm not adding Brooke in there at all, because I just don't think she's really in the running anymore. She's kid sister material for Aaron. |
Max | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:30 am     Fruit, you are RIGHT ON about Gwen's look!!! She'd look so much better with the 'do' you describe. As of now, I'm rooting for Angela, too. |
Mware | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:33 am     Someone in TVCH has that line in their profile that Gwen used with Aaron last night about working like you don't need the money, etc. but I can't remember who it is. Is it possible that Gwen is one of us????? |
Shortnsweet | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:08 am     Mware - I think Gwen was quoting someone when she said that, but it is a good quote to remember and I give her points for that. Fruit & Max - doesn't Gwen's too small nose bother you? It looks like plastic surgery gone wrong! I have people in my family with really small noses, but none of them are that small. |
Becca | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:16 am     I haven't watched the show to determine about Brooke. I'm 22, and I'm definetly not ready for marriage. But, I do have friends my age who are married, and seem to make it work. I think its an indidual thing. One thing I will say about Brooke is she seems to be a lot more mature about it than some of the other women. Her comment about maybe possibly falling in love with Aaron, shows she's not all I'm in love at the drop of the head. That in my mind, shows some ounce of maturity. Plus, she does seem to acting like herself and joking around. (Aaron compared Brooke favorably to Heather in that area. I don't think Aaron should hold it against her for not telling him about her father. You don't have to reveal everything about yourself at a moment's notice, especially something that personal. She told before he met her family which was the appropriate time. |
Denecee | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:32 am     I really wish people would not pick on Gwen's hair. Not everybody is born with thick, beautiful hair! IMO her hair looked just fine, not thick and beautiful but fine. She seems to be a good person, level headed and not all "Oh, I'm in love". Heather is such a pretty girl but came on way too strong. When they were kissing in the pool, couldn't she tell that he was just pecking away not really kissing her? I do have to say that he was a bit misleading to her. If he wasn't really feeling it, then maybe he should have stayed out of the hot tub. Helene is having a hard time not screaming IMO. She seems fustrated, didn't she understand what she was getting herself into? Come on girl, don't lose it. Finally, we get to hear from Angela. I like her. She's cute and doesn't act like Aaron is the last man on earth. Brooke is still a little cutie but I think she might be too young and emotional for Aaron. |
Max | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:44 am     THe "dance like no one is watching" line and others associated with it, is from a country song. I think it's a Faith Hill song, but I'm not sure. I've heard it once or twice, but I'm not an avid listener. |
Rabbit | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:49 am     If I were to be married to Helene I would have to insist she wear one of those Darth Vader masks to give some depth and smoothness to her voice. No wait, what was I thinking, I'm a man. I could just switch on my Y Chromosome Female Voice Irradicator to filter out any noise coming from her direction .... hmmm ... being in football watching mode 24/7 might be exhausting though ... I'd need a bigger stock of potato chips .. |
Denecee | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:16 am     I don't know about you all but I have always heard the expression "dance like nobody is watching". It's what you say to people who say they can't dance and you are trying to get them out on the dance floor. It's a good motto. |
Grooch | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:29 am     Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody is watching. Author is Mark Twain / Samuel Clements |
Littlebreeze | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:39 am     "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody is watching." is a quote I'd always attributed to MLB pitcher Satchel Paige. Reading this thread got me curious as to whether or not that was true. In checking several sites, it seems it is a quote from Satchel Paige. He believed that living by this rule would keep a person young. If anyone cares, which I doubt , here's one of the sites I checked, The Baseball Almanac: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quopaig.shtml Now back to your regularly scheduled B2 programming.... |
Sbw | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:28 pm     I finally got to watch the show today. I read part of the thread before I watched and just read the whole thing. I think Helen will be gone next, he doesn't like dramatics. Ask Christie and Heather. She is getting a little dramatic with her "shall I stay or shall I go" deal. Mack - "Her honesty with me is refreshing and insightful." Are you saying this started a good dialogue between you and your wife? That is the way I am reading it and here everybody thinks this is a show you shouldn't admit to watching! I think it is fun, but don't tell any of my friends or family, just yet. |
Yuhuru | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:37 pm     okay... I think Helene is the perfect example fo what's wrong with this show. I think Shannon took a similar approach. She's asking hard questions because a proposal could come out of this and she wants to be prepared to respond appropriately (yes or no). However, it's seems a little ridiculous to press someone this hard after a few days and only 2 occasions to be alone. She comes off as pushy. I think in the real world she would be so bad (except maybe the voice). I respect her approach. I thought the question regarding how much time Aaron has is a very valid one when you're thinking marriage. I think Angela is boring and drab. She's very pretty, but she doesn't smile nearly enough for me. Brooke...well, I don't know what to say. I don't think her dad being in jail will be a problem for Aaron, but her reaction to it may. She knows her dad is in jail AND she's proud of him, but she doesn't know why he's in jail. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He's going to be there a long time, and no one related to her has lit it slip what's his in for...yeah right. Gwen...I like Gwen I don't care who wins. I hope he doesn't ask anybody to marry him. I watch this show because these peopple crack me up. I just can't see how you can find true love under these circumstances. Oh Heather...I told you so, and Hayley...whatever. Cute girl, cute personality, what the heck was she doin on this show!?!?! |
Weenerlobo | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:23 pm     Yuhuru - that was a breathe of fresh air |
Fabnsab | Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:09 pm     I completely agree with Cricket, Helene is this years Shannon. She needs to lighten up. I wish she would stop playing these games." I am going to leave because everyones too catty(first week)" That is female for I am taking the high road and they're not. Last night she was saying " I am not going to play if I am not going to win." that is female for Promise me the ring and make me feel better. I do not like her at all. She did not have to tell anyone about that note he gave her either. I hate to break it to y'all but Angela is not there for Aaron. She says in her video diary on abc.com that she likes bad boys and she needs to know if Aaron has it in him to break rules. She then says she wants a rose again ,basically, so she can stay and have fun. She is so not into him. Gwen is my fave. She doesn't play games, she isn't catty towards the others...She has been a class act. She seems a tad bit boring but thats just me. How about Heather dogging Brooke at every turn? When did she decide that it was Brooke who got HER rose and the "baby" didn't deserve to be there because she is only 22? Thats weird how she honed in on Brooke to be her nemesis. I am glad Haley is gone. I saw her as the respected leader who had her minnions say the catty, negative things and she came away unscathed. She would say something in passing and they would run with it. She was loved by the girls though. |
Ariasmum | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 07:21 am     I just rewatched the tape last night. At the end during her tearful dismissal interview, I swear Heather says it's like a 'daiquiri' through her heart. Is that Texan for dagger? Geesh, I thought it was just a drink! |
Hermione69 | Friday, October 25, 2002 - 08:00 am     Not to defend Heather, but I think she zoned in on Brooke as her nemesis because the age thing threatened her. I'm 33, divorced and single, and most of the single men my age do want to find younger women. That is just the way it often goes and it doesn't always feel very good to know that men your own age would would often prefer to go out with someone younger. It can be a little scary to be in your thirties and single, especially if you really want to have children. After listening to Heather fantasize about the house with the picket fence and the children and Aaron as a soccer dad, I think she is very scared that it will never happen for her. Her fears drastically colored her behavior. I don't think that Aaron's decision not to keep Heather had ANYTHING to do with her age. I think Aaron simply was not attracted to Heather. He really hasn't seemed to be from the get-go and I think she got roses in the past from sheer force of will and lack of anyone better. Heather, however, is blaming Brooke, because poor Brooke is young and beautiful and has so many more chances than Heather does (in Heather's mind) to find love and happiness. How UNFAIR, in her mind, that Brooke may get the guy! That is also why it is refreshing to see Gwen, who is older than Heather, handle herself with so much more dignity and class and not go getting all jealous of the younger women. Heather's behavior just made her look desperate, which I think she is, while Gwen seems nothing but sweet. |
Marymc | Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 11:13 pm     go gwen....am with you hermione. at 39 and divorced with a kid, i can be invisible, but i don't walk around with that baggage. |
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