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Fluff

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen Crazydog!

Walker

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i agree that the voting is josh's fault but he obviously is very aware that he did not deserve the votes that kept him in the competition so i believe that he should be a man and step down.

Emeraldfire

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He wouldn't be a man, he would be a quitter.

Sadiesmom

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think a the man is miserable enough. This is hard work and in the end the judges all insult him. he is made to look ridiculous on TV. Isn't that enough?

You just look at his face and tell me this guy is happy. I think he would have liked to have left before Carmen.

I also have read how they like to visit their fan sites. Unfortunately, there are many without them. I was a little surprised at the unprofessional quality of Ruben's. Kimberly's is good, But Clay has the most. Josh has two and I did not visit them. WOuld have been interesting to see what was in his guest book. But I am sure he visited some of the large forums and, as Crazydog says, this is one of the most polite boards around. You know that is why I love you all! Such good manners.

Walker

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i meant the voting isn't josh's fault.

Crossfire

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 08:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This is totally ABSURD.

He obviously did not deserve his votes? Says who?

Should they have just disconnected his number that night?

If I like and vote for him, that is my vote, that is not subject to anyones opinion but my own.

The fault here, is not Josh, his fans did as they should.

The fault if any is with Ruben's fans, they let him down and even that is a stretch as his fans are also free to do as they please as well.

Tabbyking

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 09:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
wow! i don't know whether to laugh or shake my head. there are some really mean posts on here about josh. i keep thinking people can't be serious about thinking he should step down! a man would not step down. he would play out the game. luckily, we don't individually decide if he stays or goes; there is a voting system for that.
but as i mentioned about my son running track: would he just walk off the track and not finish a race because he was in last place?
would you want to see your child leave a baseball diamond if they struck out? 'sorry kid, you can't play anymore. you aren't good enough so we're asking you to be a man and leave the game.'

Pamy

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 09:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just shake your head Tabby.

Seamonkey

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 09:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Josh


It also seems that he has a medical condition that would add weight and cause other symptoms.

Crossfire

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 10:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't want to be a pain in the butt, but that link is only available to magazine customers, and AOL subscribers.

Could I at a minimum request the name of the condition, if not a bit more at your discretion.

Spygirl

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 10:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is the full article:

Maybe we've all been too hard on Joshua Gracin, the countrified Marine who's a favorite to get the boot on next Tuesday's ''American Idol.'' Though no one's arguing with Simon Cowell's assessment that Gracin's ''Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye'' was downright ''dreary,'' EW.com has learned that his sluggish performance may have less to do with his talent and more to do with a medical condition. ''While he's been here, he's actually had a thyroid problem,'' ''Idol'' stylist Miles Siggins tells EW.com. ''He's been putting on weight because of that, and it's been a shock to him to be going up in size.'' A Fox spokesperson declined to comment.

Though we don't know Gracin's official diagnosis, the singer's weight gain (Cowell's catty comments about his pudge inspired Gracin to do push-ups on stage) suggests he may suffer from hypothyroidism. According to the American Thyroid Association, symptoms of the condition also include sluggishness, low energy, forgetfulness, and depression. Most often hypothyroidism is caused by a patient's immune system attacking the thyroid, but it can also be the result of inflammation brought on by a viral infection or a problem with the pituitary gland.

Though the disease has no cure (viral hypothyroidism is the exception), it can be treated, usually with oral doses of synthetic hormones. Once under control, all symptoms of the disease should disappear.

Gracin's thyroid problems may be dragging down his ''Idol'' performances, but they shouldn't affect his ability to go back to his tough-guy day job when the time comes. ''Hypothetically, if I developed a thyroid problem and could continue to function as a Marine, that's fine,'' says Marine Corps spokesperson Shawn Turner. Once he gets his vim and vigor back, Gracin, the king of the one-armed push-ups, should have no problem meeting the Marine's minimum standard of physical fitness: a 3-mile run in under 28 minutes, three pull-ups, and 60 crunches.

Where Gracin could get into trouble is at the weigh-in. Carrying even ten extra pounds sends a Marine into remedial fitness training. ''But if it's determined that medical conditions are causing the person to be overweight, they will be dealt with by the medical community,'' says Turner. Ailing Marines are put on limited duty for six months to seek medical attention. After that term, if they still can't meet the minimum requirements, they may be processed for a medical discharge.

But for now Josh has other things to worry about, such as hiding his extra pounds from the cameras. ''I took him to Diesel one day and he tried on a black shirt that was $90,'' says Siggins. ''He said, ‘The shirts at Express are only $25!' but [when he tried it on] he said, ‘Wow, it makes me look so thin!''' C'mon Josh, we all know black is slimming. Why else would Simon wear so much of it?

(Posted:05/01/03)

Crossfire

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 10:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ah ok, Thank you. I now wish I had taken a guess, probably would have nailed it.

Seamonkey

Thursday, May 01, 2003 - 10:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, I got the link from a non-AOL site so didn't realize. Spy's posted the article, so I'm off the hook :) Posting during commercials has certain hazards.

Beachcomber88

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 01:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sea, some of us refer to Joshua as the Marine, because that's simply who he is. He has certainly played up his image as a Marine. Trencye however obviously does not identify herself as a Felon. Nobody told Joshua to show up for his first audition in his Marine formals. He did it on his own, and he reminds us at every opportunity that he is a Marine. Has a show gone by where the fact that he is a Marine NOT been mentioned? If EW.com can call him the Marine (and a countrified one, to boot!), why can't we?

I liked the earier post (Crazydog's?) about how we know absolutely nothing about the other contestants. I know Carmen was in high school because they showed her studying with the tutor. But beyond that, what about the others? Are they in college? If so, where? Do they have jobs? The only thing that AI has continually beaten into our heads is that Joshua is a Marine. That's why we call him that.

So...hypothyroidism. OK, it may explain his weight gain. But is it responsible for his painful singing? Is it the cause of his nasal twang? Has it given him that pissy attitude? No, no, and no! Let's hope that this doesn't become yet another crutch he leans on.

I agree with you Sadie - I don't think he's happy to be there anymore. He knows Simon (and a lot of America) can't stand him. He knows he can't win. Yet what really can he do? He certainly can't - or won't - leave. His only choice is to continue to subject himself week after week to public humiliation and the wrath of Simon. That, in my opinion, is good reality tv!

And I also agree with Crazydog. I don't care if Joshua is reading this. By choosing to participate in a reality show, he has chosen to allow the public to have their own opinions about him. To think that all of America will love you is naive. We all know the saying...if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!

Tabbyking

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 06:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"can't stand him"? feeling someone is not as good as the others as a singer doesn't mean a lot of us "can't stand him." preferring someone else is all it is. why is there such anger and venom directed at josh?
i do care if josh is reading this, but that's because i care about people.
<modK> and it isn't josh's singing, or josh being a marine or josh still being on the show.
i think i may know where he got his (allegedly) "pissy attitude". <modK>

Fluff

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I doubt that the hypo had anything to do with his singing, although it can affect weight. But, gosh, that is so annoying! I am hyper and will tell you in a minute that it is no fun at all. But, if it got in the way of my performance, why in the heck would I still be in the show? My health is more important to me. Excuses, excuses. I can see more sympathy votes for Josh already.

Walker

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
all i know is that josh obviously felt pretty bad about what happened the other night because he knew that ruben did'nt deserve the bottom 2..his reaction said it all to me..but if he can live with that then it's alright by me..who really cares? whatever happens in this show really has nothing to do with my life anyway.

Luvmom

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby,
I am fully with you.My daughter is a huge Josh fan
and if you go to yahoo groups or msn you will see Josh has a huge following.I am a BIG clay fan,Clay always brings up all the work he does with little children.Does that mean he is using that to get votes?It is who they are.I think Josh has talent but needs some work.There is no real reason why he should volunteer to leave.If people are mad that ruben was in the bottom 2,just work alittle harder to get him back up...then your problem would be solved!!

Wcv63

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to agree with those of you who say that it isn't Josh's fault that he received more votes than Ruben. I said it before, this contest isn't just about talent. It is about image, personality, talent and popularity. People are voting for him. That's why he is still there. Regardless of the reasons why, he has a duty to himself to see this thing through to its conclusion.

Ruben will be receiving more votes than ever next week. His landing in the bottom two really did him a favor as it will galvanize his fans to zealot-like voting tendancies.

Hobbs

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<<Evil Hobbs laughing silently in the corner as he watches everyone argue because he started the thread with something he didn't really believe in.>>

Go ahead, throw pies at me. I like pies!!

Walker

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
oh hobbs..don't try to back out now..lol

go ahead and stand by what you said.

Beachcomber88

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<> Simon CAN'T stand him. I can't stand him. But just because you don't, it doesn't mean that others don't. I'm sure there are a lot of people in America right now that can't stand him and want to see Joshua gone.

<>

(dh)

Walker

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
lmao..we take this crap WAY TOO seriously.

Crazydog

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby I am sorry if you feel you have to leave here because you don't like what some of us are saying. But everyone is entitled to their opinion and I am sorry if you disagree with mine.

And yes, I am in agreeance with Beachcomber when I say I can't stand Joshua. I have not liked him from the beginning. I feel he is an under-talented singer who is taking advantage of military fever and in the process is supplanting those who are more talented than him and more deserving of record producers' attention.

But a technicality, Beach, I don't think Joshua ever wore his uniform to his first audition. Although he did march in and say something like "Marine whatever Joshua Gracin reporting for duty for his American Idol audition, SIR!" and saluted Simon.

When did he go from singing the boy band O-Town's "All or Nothing" to developing a twang thicker than ever?

I agree with Fluff. I'm sure hypothyroidism is a problem but it's just going to be another excuse. Like the time when he said he had a cold and tried making excuses. I don't know much about hypothyroidism, it sounds like it sucks, but if it were me I don't know how much I'd want to stay on the show if it affected me.

Hobbs

Friday, May 02, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Walker, if you read my stuff in other threads, you'll see that my attitude over the results was, "Who cares. What's the big deal." But you have to admit, this is a lot of fun.

(Unless of course you want to start something too!!)