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Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 03:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So what does everyone think the twist might be?

I have a feeling it has something to do with them having more control over who gets to stay or get booted.

I think they will be able to bring a person back at the end. Simon isn't over Tamayra (sp?) being booted. He would have loved to have vetoed that vote.

Any other guesses?

Marebear

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 03:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My first thought was that the twist will be that they are going to let Frenchie back in the competion, but that will probably never happen.

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 04:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, my! What a great idea!

But I doubt that also.

Fruitbat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 04:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I go with Simon having more control with something. Maybe the twist is not about this final audition but for the rest of the show. He/judges will override Americas vote with the final 10 if they choose.

Or he will offer the recording contract to whoever he chooses in the final 5 rather than have America choose, though the public will vote as usual. The last show will have the 1st through 5th lined up and Simon will announce who *he* chooses.

Llkoolaid

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 05:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The veto sounds like a very good idea to me. Also I think it could be that they are picking 2 people, they kept say last night that they would pick one which I thought was weird because they need 10 so I wonder if that is all the twist is.

Mydogbuffy

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 05:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know about a twist but I was very disappointed that they did not allow Patrick to be one of the contestants to try for the wild card spot. I think they should have let all the third runner ups try for the wild card spot. I believe Simon was so insistent that Patrick's style of 'rock and roll' was not going through and that is why he wasn't gven given a chance.

Conejo

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 05:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought that the judges picked one and we get to call in and vote for one of the wild cards. Is this the way it works?

Llkoolaid

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know how it works, I thought they picked 2. Maybe someone else knows?????????????

Fruitbat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 06:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe *they* pick the two from the final group instead of having the phone lines. This makes sense because the newer ones coming in are at a disadvantage because America has already chosen a favorite (say Clay for example) and may not pay close enough attention to the others.

OR......they veto one or more of the ones already chosen and replace them with another from the wild card bunch. ouch.

I sense the twist is a last minute thing because Simon is not happy with the line up.

The website does not give show times or length. If they do something like this the Wed show would not be necessary to complete the audition and it is too soon to start the final competitions. Soooooooooo maybe they compete again with 4 chosen from the last group and the 8 already chosen risk getting eliminated.

Ladytex

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 07:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It's posted on the idononfox web site that FOUR wild cards will make the finals. There will be 12 finalists this year.

Brenda1966

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 07:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That is great news! I think this improves Clays chances of making the final 12 a lot.

Good, I hope they get some more talent in there to make the finals interesting because it was looking like a bland group.

Fruitbat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 07:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That is the twist? What a lame twist. I would call that a small change or addition. pffffffffft

Brenda1966

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 07:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Remember this is Fox so they have to over hype things. I wish they would be honest and just say "we have a little surprise for you next week". I wish they would have kept it a surprise until the Tuesday show, but maybe letting us know now that there really isn't a twist is good for our expectations.

I wonder if the following weeks will differ any -- ie. will they eliminate two people the first two weeks or will they extend the show by two weeks?

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
agrees with Fruitbat and embarrassed for starting a new thread for something so lame :(

Fruitbat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well at least you didn't post in it 4 times!

Wcv63

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
So if 4 are being chosen for the WC spots does that mean that the judges pick 2 and America picks 2? That could still leave the gender distribution uneven if America picks two male contenders.

Twist, schmist. I think it has something to do with the judges being able to have more control at this point in the game. Possibly a weighted voting panel where America is counted as 1 judge to have a panel of 4 for the finalist picks. Or not.

Hermione69

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"That could still leave the gender distribution uneven if America picks two male contenders."

True, but they are stacking the odds against that happening. Of the 9 contesants competing for the wild card, 7 are females. Of the two males, one (Chip) was not even one of the top 3 vote getters in his group.

I'm making an early prediction that America will pick Kimberly and Clay, unless they bomb, and then then the judges can pick 2 women to even it out. Kimberly and Clay are the only ones selected for the wild card who were also the top third vote getters in their groups. America will remeber them and vote for them. I think the judges are banking on that as well and may even be why Patrick did not get a wild card. They don't want the dynamics of the vote they want upset by his rocker fans!

Neither of the top third vote getters from groups 3 and 4 was even invited back.

Just some speculation.

I don't really care about a twist or how spectacular it is. This is American Idol, not Joe Millionaire. Make all the arguments you want about it being Simon's company so he can do anything he wants, but the winner is supposed to be selected by America. If the judges start getting veto power and stuff like that, they've made a joke of what is supposed to be the process. And Fox will risk alienating viewers. The audience is not going to want the power to decide taken away from them. It is a huge part of why this is such a successful show.

Brenda1966

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the 4 wildcard finalists isn't the "twist". See this article:

http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?30356

Webkitty

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the twist will be that there will be two American Idol winners this year, a male and a female. After all, it seems as if the AI winner from last year was Kelly...and Justin.

I really don't think the twist will be a veto. They said we would like it

Grooch

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe the twist will be that they will all have to sing the same song.

Webkitty

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Simon said: if you think Joe Millionair had a twist, wait til you see this one. Its a good one.

Simon sings?

Fruitbat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Brenda, thanks, nice find. :) Happy dance. I love twists almost as much as I like to figure them out.

Back to the drawing board. If there were two winners male/female it would mean Simon would be giving two million dollar contracts. Could be, but that would be a huge twist to pull so late in the game and costly too.

>>>>The 2 extra contestants push the show into May sweeps so the number has nothing to do with the twist.

>>>>Twist infers format change of some sort.

>>>>Likely that Simon wants more control since he is putting his money and label on the line. Makes sense to me.

What change would give him more control?

>>>>Taking some of the decision making away from the phones. Last year Tamara's exit left the judges spinning.

>>>>He could assume power over the one voted off by making the decision himself from the two that had the most votes.

>>>>It could be about securing the final 12 he wants which could mean there will be other changes and the ones voted in so far are not secure. I doubt this.

>>>> ????? I'll be back. :)

Realbiz

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
could it be a 50/50 vote? i.e. like 'star search' the judges control 50% of the voting results and the public controls the other half? just a thought...

Car54

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 01:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Joe Millionaire's twist was stupid and predictable and bogus.

Simon wouldn't do something like that.

Fruitbat

Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Realbiz. That sounds like a good possibility.