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Marysafan

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 09:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Exactly....as Jeff Gordon said to Clay this morning on Regis and Kelly..."You didn't win...but you won."

They are both winners and both worthy talents in my book. There is no need for any negativity...it's all good and worked out well for the both of them.

Readonly

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
To continue what I started in the Miscellaneous thread:

... that's the only thing that there's just too little of...

Daisymae

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I haven't read above yet, very busy. I just wanted to say that Clay & Rueben looked cute last night with their hats. Clay said he won't dance, when he & Ruben did "Ain't know stopping us now", the coreograthy was great. I would love to have a video of that. Clay did a very good job. I don't know if he thinks he doesn't look good or it's his religion. Hope the Baptist's are beyond that by now. Anyone know?

Does anyone know if you buy things on Clays stuff site & click on the single record, it goes to Amazon, are you than ordering from Amazon & not not Clay's stuff? Is your whole order combined, i.e. Clay's official merchandise & Amazon is all one order. Also, if you buy on American Idol site how does that work? Clay gets a percentage of anything no matter where you buy it? I also want to order & have shipped all together. I guess American Idol site would have there own shipping & packaging. Right?

Appreciate your help

Daisymae

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Good Morning America was fantastic. I got chills when I heard Clay sign "This is the Night". He is a superstar over night. Ruben is going to do well too, they're wearing such cute clothes, (most of the time) when they're just casual they looked great too.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the hate mail reflects badly on the hate-mailer, not on Clay.

And I'm with Llkoolaid and Hermi in their statements above.

Kellirippa

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's just what I was about to ask about Seamonkey, when the View ladies said that Clay was invited but declined to appear, what was their attitude? I guess I'm asking, do the View ladies now appear to be anti-Clay, because to this point Starr has been pro-Ruben, but never anti-Clay? Nes pas?

Seamonkey

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kelli, I have absolutely no idea; I've been watching CourtTV most of the morning.

Wcv63

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 12:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey in a logical world that would be a correct statement. Unfortunately because of the way it was presented by Starr Jones it did reflect badly on Clay.

I haven't seen any subtle and/or blatent contestant baiting here on the board. And what I did see was moderated soon after. On this board, in these circumstances, with these fans and with these two supremely talented young men I say we just celebrate their achievments and ultimate success.

Texannie

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I know that Starr is a big Ruben fine, but I got the impression that Joy liked Clay, but they did present Clay not being there like he didn't feel comfortable with them which I thought was odd.

Marysafan

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I got idea that the View ladies were a bit miffed that Clay turned them down. I think Merrideth used the word "refused" to appear, but Starr toned it down to "declined". Then to be accused of being prejudiced because they didn't have him on made things worse. Then to have to publicly anounce that he had been invited but delined the invitation...well...I got the idea...it might be a cold day until he got another invite.

Texannie

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 02:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Me too, Mary..it was all rather odd and uncomfortable.

Wcv63

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 02:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thing is that Clay isn't the one that turned him down. I'm sure his management team is the one calling all the shots right now. Clay may not have even been aware that he was invited.

Nanarobin

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcw63...I thought the exact same thing this morning and was so angry I turned off the show..not sure I will ever watch it again based on the rude comments...they all must have been gripe-y wagon today...the women dissed Joan Rivers, as well and the exec. producer (who for those of you who do not watch show, sits live in the front row of the show with a IFB headset) had to interject a 'well, maybe not now' comment..Bill was obviously not happy with the comments of his stars

I bet Barbara Walters (also exec producer)will have her say on Thursday--but alas, Nana won't be watching..have switched from avid View watcher since the beginning to Wayne Brady Show as of today) JMHO and I am allowed that here!!

Texasdeb

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 04:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Wcv63 for your post last night with the link to "Clay's Performances". I was lurking @ you alls chat from last night on my lunch break today & was pleasantly delighted to find this! I already have "Bridge" on my system @ the office & will keep loading my work puter with the beautiful voice of our "ClayiDOLL"

Wcv63

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 07:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You're more than welcome. I have d/led a bunch of his competition videos and am now attempting to get all the mp3s. This is The Night is rapidly becoming one of my very favorite songs of all time.

I watched ET tonight and Ruben and Clay both got a little showcasing. And it seemed pretty equal to me. They showed a brief clip of Clay on GMA and again on R&K and they showed Ruben giving Luther get well wishes from his BET interview. (I didn't even know he did that one. Nobody I talked to ever saw him on it.)

All in all, not too bad.

Texasdeb

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wcv63, "This is the Night" is my download @ lunch tomorrow - thanks again for the link!

Daisymae

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 10:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hope you don't mind me joining in on this conversation. I missed the View but my sister watches it, I just asked her what her take was & she said a few things. Clay is very sensitive & maybe he wanted Ruben to shine, he did win the Idol. Maybe it was an executive decision & Clay wasn't even aware that he was invited. I'm just starting to watch the View, I love Barbara Walters, so I don't know the personalities. BUT, the vote was split & I'm sure they feel as strongly (Ruben's fans) about him getting publicity as we do Clay. America is split & that's okay. If we all liked the same things it would be very boring. I like Ruben just Clay is my favorite. It's sad that people have to stir the pot. Just enjoy all this happiness & success for Clay & Ruben And they aren't the ones reaping all the happiness. We are. It's totally changed my life, I am on top of the world. I'm one of his biggest fans along with millions of others. I've gotten back into listening to music for the 2,000's. Instead of staying back in the oldies. I'm trying to get my office & house organized so I can collect & find a place for all his souvenir stuff. Don't know if I can afford too much but I'll have enough. Thanks for letting me sound off. Another thing, My son had a friend that was in the spotlight for awhile, they were flying her all over, putting her on shows, she said that they had a woman who just tells you, you're going here, there, if someone wanted something & this girl didn't she would just say no. And they move at a very fast space. Just like Clay has said.

Daisymae

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 10:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gee, everyone is gone, doesn't anyone in Ca. or Az. post in here. I guess Az. has gone to bed. I'm sorry to have imposed above but I was so super busy I didn't have time to read that there was a debate going on. I still haven't gotten caught up. I feel very neglected tho. Like no one even saw my post and I really would like some answers if anyone knows. Maybe I should go to another forum.

Daisymae

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 10:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've also been watching the shows Ruben & Clay have been on & I do have a life outside of here.

Wcv63

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 10:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry Daisymae....I just check back in here every so often. I do agree with you that Clay and Ruben should be allowed their moment to shine without the controversy. I know there are plenty of Ruben and Clay fans that feel exactly the same way.

I'm sure by the time you come back in here tommorrow you'll have more answers than you know what to do with. Be prepared.

Muse

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 01:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I really wish Meredith, Joy, and Star hadn't stirred up the whole mess to begin with. It'd be one thing to mention that they got e-mails from people who were upset that Clay wasn't on, and to explain that the show *did* make the offer. But to mention the accusation of racism just seemed unnecessary. It's just going to upset more viewers (Clay fans and non-fans alike), and result in more nasty e-mails and anomosity between fan groups. I'm not saying the show should tiptoe around touchy subjects, but this just seemed petty and stupid. More about the ladies being upset and using the show to fight back against a few (very few!) people who went way out of line. Of course I suppose explaining Clay's non-appearance in a rational matter wouldn't be good for ratings...*sigh*.

Just now I sent an e-mail to all four (Joy, Meredith, Star, *and* Barbara) sharing some of my thoughts. But not mentioning my frustration with bringing it up in the first place, since additional unpleasantness wouldn't do any good. I just said it's unlikely that Clay turned down the invitation because he didn't want to go (considering his busy schedule), that the show should attempt to arrange an appearance at another time, that the nasty e-mails to Star were obviously out of line, etc. I don't mind too much if Clay does or does not make an appearance at all...if he doesn't, that's fine. He didn't do anything wrong, so I do think it's unfair that they (intentionally or not) cast him in a bad light. But if he does go on the show, I somehow have a feeling he'd win them all over. Maybe they'd re-think how they should best respond to viewers in ways that don't offend others unnecessarily. So either one works, really. :)

Nanarobin

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
VERY interesting article found concerning the phone debacle for the final voting on AI2:

Food For Thought--American Idol Final Vote
Is This Another $64,000 Scandal?
by columnist--David Lawrence Dewey--May 28, 2003

http://www.dldewey.com/idolist.htm

This is disturbing factual relating of statistics and based on complaints. Note that Fox refuses to divulge much info about the phone process used for the finals.

I guess my only question after seeing these statistics is...HOW did this O vs Q dailing ONLY become an issue during the final night of voting...yet was NEVER happened or was mentioned before that???

Calling for Oliver Stone to resolve this mystery!!

AND....how about the telemarketer getting in 250,000 calls during the voting...all on autodialing equipment. AND THEN bragging about it!

I still say they BOTH won and should have been declared CO-winners, rather than enduring this voting debacle/disaster AFTER the obvious bias the judges publicly expressed during the contest. I don't recall any controversial bias last season!!??

Beaver_Gal

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 02:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I just went to Amazon.ca ( the Canadian site) and Clay's single is ranked number 1 and Rueben's is number 20. If you like the conspiracy theories, maybe this is why Canadians didn't get to vote. LOL

Beaver_Gal

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 02:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Where is Oliver Stone anyway?

Wcv63

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As interesting as the whole "phone scandal" was for me to speculate on, put blame on, etc immediately following the results show, as far as I'm concerned it's time I put it to rest. The voting was the same last year with busy signals etc and it was something for me, as a Clay fan, to hang onto while I bemoaned my favorite's fate.

Thing is....Clay's fate is pretty darn good. He doesn't need the AI title and kicking up dust about the voting is just that. Kicking up dust. I say let's just sweep it away and start with a clean slate next year.

If I vote again, I just have to be prepared that the votes could be close, the lines could be busy and sometimes I'll be frustrated with trying to vote. It's all a part of the show.

Acceptance is a good place to be ya'll. I highly recommend it. It took a few days but here I am. Happily.