Archive through April 09, 2003
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Realmom | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 12:53 pm     What happened to the Billy Joel theme? My daughter and I were really looking forward to that. I'm hoping it wasn't just a rumor and it will be coming later on. Last night's show was definitely better than last week's. Clay - This was a good song for him, and he sounded great as usual. Clay, honey, you need to sing something upbeat so that we know that you are more than a ballad singer. Then again, if you can't do upbeat well, don't do it. I, too, can see you doing well in the Christian music biz or on Broadway. Love your personality, but desperately want to hear you sing something not slow and beautiful. Kimberly - I thought she sang better last week, but it isn't her time to go yet. I would never have chosen that song--for years, every pageant, recital, and talent show in town was full of little out-of-tune girls singing this song with so MUCH emotion. I'm afraid it ruined the song for me. Rickey - I thought the song was right for him, and he sang it well. The hat was all wrong. I think poor Rickey is trying to find a look so that he doesn't look too old and will appeal to a younger crowd. Kimberly C. - I say it every week, but I just don't care for her voice. It is too throaty. Loved the dress, though. Josh - I didn't think he sounded good again, and wasn't surprised to hear Randy and Paula give him props, but couldn't believe it from Simon. He was flat and uneven in delivery. Solid white doesn't look good on camera. Shop for some style, Josh. I don't think he can sing anything but country, and that is not my favorite genre. Carmen - After a week or two of improvement, Carmen went back to sounding like a high school girl who can't play with the big league. I'd love to hear her after a couple of years of training, but her time isn't now. She had pitch problems and seems awkward on stage. Trenyce - I thought she sang one of her best performances last night. My problem with her, and I may get bashed for saying so, is that I don't want the role model American Idol to be someone who committed felony theft. That is not the type of person I want my kids looking up to. I know that she went through a diversion program and her record was expunged, but she STILL committed the crime. I know there are pop stars with sordid pasts, but I don't want them for role models for our kids either. Had her crime happened many years ago, and she was in her 30's and had learned from her mistake never to commit a crime again, I would be better with it. However, her crime was not in the too distant past. Ruben - He is so far ahead of the others in this competition that I think the battle between the others is now for second place. Second place is good, maybe better, anyway. Second place ends up with a career that they can have more control over. Ruben sang great, as always. Loved the new look (do you think the AI contestants read the board?) Bottom three: Kimberly C., Carmen, Trenyce |
Texannie | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 12:54 pm     I not seeing the Reuben thing either, Realfan, but I am not a fan of Barry White/Luther Vandross either, so I figure it's just me! LOL |
Babyruth | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 12:55 pm     I'm wondering the same thing, Spygirl. I see him being happier singing Yiddish folk tunes, myself. What a happy cantor he'd be.
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Grooch | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 12:59 pm     Spy, I didn't mean it as a diss. I mean it the same way that I think Josh would be happier singing country music. Christian music is very mainstream and very popular now. This is what the kids in my neighborhood listen to and go to concerts to. A few weekends ago there was a huge festival down at the beach and a couple 100,000 people went to it. And from what I remember reading about him, I believe he goes to a Christian college and religion is very important to him and that he wants to make a difference in people's lives. In my mind, I see he would be very popular and he would be helping people this way, and I think that would make him happy. I honestly didn't mean anything derogatory about it. |
Babyruth | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 01:09 pm     I'm bummed I missed the show last night (had to be at work), but so happy that I can come here and read the threads. It's the next best thing! |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 01:23 pm     I think this contest is hard because it asks these singers to sing Motown and country and pop and upbeat and ballads. If you think about it, in real life, most real pop singers kind of find their niche and sing it over and over..they don't have to stretch that much. Clay might do fine as a ballad singer, but the contest is asking more of them. I thought the same thing about him and Christian music mostly because of his school too. Also because I lived in Nashville and the Christian music business is huge there. He is such a marketable personality, they would probably snap him up. I also worked in commercial theatre, and he is a perfect young leading man (don't know if he has any acting ambitions). |
Marymc | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 02:28 pm     babyruth, if clay was the cantor, i'd go to his temple every week! |
Walker | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 02:44 pm     i think clay kind of sticks to ballads because of the fact that to do an upbeat song you need to dance a little and he obviously has some problems in that area..but to me he's still great. ruben looked and sounded great lastnight and i am a huge fan of barry white and luther vandross but im just not all that impressed with ruben because i guess i'm kinda tired of that kind of music. |
Brenda1966 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 02:53 pm     My mom watched the show for the first time last night and I thought her reaction to the performances was interesting. She loved Clay (at first she thought he was lip-syncing because she couldn't believe how great he sounded LOL) and loved Kim L. She thought Kim C was dreadful and that Carmen was not good. She also didn't think Josh was good and she's a country fan. I agree with the others who've said they wouldn't buy Ruben's record. I think he'll win and I'll be happy with that because he is good, he's just not something I would buy. As for Clay being too "broadway", that doesn't bother me at all. When I hear Josh Groban singing on my radio station I always think of the Beast from Beauty and the Beast Broadway show. If this guy can get his songs on the radio, I'm sure Clay could too. I agreed with mom: Clay and Kim L gave me goosebumps. I voted for Clay. |
Spygirl | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 02:55 pm     Grooch, I didn't take it as a slam, actually. My brother sings Christian music professionally. My issue is with the discussion that Clay is either better suited for Christian music or would be happier. It is not a safe assumption to believe that because he is a Christian or goes to a Christian school or says religion is very important to him that he wants to sing Christian music. My brother is an absolutely incredible singer and song writer, and he has been singing Christian music for about 6 years now, part of the time while attending a Christian university. His Christian faith is very important to him. But, for at least 3 years, he has been wanting into country music and working his butt off to get into the music industry in Nashville (and he has some very exciting things happening right now). He does not sound one bit like Garth Brooks or Josh (hehe), but he does sound like Keith Urban and many other mainstream new country singers. In fact, he sounds more like Clay (but - sorry to sound very conceited - my brother's voice puts Clay's to shame..hehehe) than he sounds like George Strait. I think many people have an idea of what certain genres sound like (i.e. Country music is for Garth Brooks, George Strait, and the Dixie Chicks). Same thing with Christian music. I just have to remember that all genres include a huge variety of artist styles. Most of all, though, I can't agree that he would be happier in one setting versus another based on what school he goes to. I think if Clay would have been happier singing Christian music, he would have already been singing Christian music. That's my point. He wants to sing pop and I think he can.  |
Babyruth | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 03:58 pm     Me, too, Marymc! Off topic, I love your Elvis photo!! |
Marymc | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 04:30 pm     thanx babyruth.....isn't he a sweetie-pie? |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 04:33 pm     Paula is on ET right now here. She is interviewing Lionel in a segment later in the show. |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 04:43 pm     "I think Simon is moody. He told Clay he was the one to beat in the beginning, he told Carmen she was the most commercial, now it is Ruben." I just wanted to say I think these are three entirely different statements. For Clay, Simon said "after that performance" he was the one to beat, and his performance that week was absolutely stellar, because in addition to his tremendous talent, his style matched the genre. Clay then, in my opinion, turned in the same style of performance the next three, which is not necessarily a good thing in this context (in fact, last week Simon didn't say Clay was terrible, he said in the context of the competition, that performance was terrible -- different genre + same style performance = terrible in the compeitition is my interpretation). So, yes, that week Clay was the one to beat...but "what have you done for me lately" comes to mind now. Second, he didn't say Carmen was the most marketable, he said "of the women left" she was the most marketable. That doesn't say anything whatsoever about how he feels about her in comparision to the men, and it's the men (Clay and Ruben) he's commented on about winning, and it says nothing at all about her performances. Finally, he's made positive comments before about Ruben ("You're what this competition is all about") with no negative comments that I recall. I don't think he's changed his mind about Ruben at all (but I will plead selective memory on that one), and, in fact, has been the most consistent with his comments to him. I do think Simon is very cagey. I think you need to listen to the entire comment, because there's often a qualifier in there ("after that performance" or "of the women left"). There's a natural tendency to focus on the positive part without remembering the qualifier, so it seems like Simon is waffling from week to week. (I'm an expert in catching the qualifier...I used to date a guy who was an expert in making the qualifiers...) |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 04:48 pm     Paula is interviewing Lionel...he is "angry" with Simon taking a swipe at him. Paula was mortified. Lionel...I looked at Paula and asked if we are on the air. Lionel wants to come back and tell Simon what he thinks. Paula interviewing family...she is trying to interview Josh's little girl (in her stroller). Showing clips of the songs last night. Lionel thinks Clay or Ruben will win...it will be tight. Paula is nervous about the voting. |
Texannie | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 04:50 pm     What swipe did he take at Lionel? |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 04:50 pm     Texannie, he said he had never enjoyed his performance. I think he might have been kidding but you can't tell with Simon. It was an unpleasant moment. |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 04:52 pm     Ok, Prisoner. So I guess you don't think Simon is moody. |
Prisonerno6 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 05:00 pm     I give up. Obviously I can't give a differing opinion around here without someone taking a potshot at me. I can't try to engage in an intelligent discourse without it being dismissed. Knock yourselves out, people. |
Texannie | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 05:05 pm     Yikes, I guess that could have been, Car! Prisoner, I liked your comments. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 05:07 pm     Simon said he had never enjoyed a performance of Lionel's? Did I get that right? Just for the record, I do not think Simon is moody either. I agree with your take Prisoner. Paula is worried about the voting why? Did she say? |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 05:11 pm     I think Simon is cagey AND moody.. and Prisoner is right about the qualifiers, you have to listen closely to the entirety of what he says (assuming you can HEAR it over Randy and Paula braying their disagreement). |
Car54 | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 05:12 pm     No she didn't say. She will be on tomorrow with the backstage scoop. It was kind of a choppy piece...mainly gave Lionel a chance to air his stuff. I wish they would let him come back. He was good. |
Seamonkey | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 05:23 pm     I think Paula is enjoying the drama of her 21st century 15 minutes way too much. I thought Simon was somewhat tongue in cheek and was referring just to Endless Love anyway. I thought Lionel was great (and he looks wonderful, too.. I'd love to age that gracefully). Wasn't Trenyce Paula's wildcard? I would think she's worried about her. Paula's been pretty snarky (IMO) to the other wildcards, Kim C and Carmen.. low-key snarky, so many would read her as just "concerned". Prisoner, hope you keep sharing your views. Me, I'm just wondering if there will be spoiling in 6 minutes.. singing the "shiney-whiney west coast blues"... |
Rabbit | Wednesday, April 09, 2003 - 05:24 pm     I thought it was quite clear Simon was joking about Lionel last night. Maybe Simon should confine his humor to message boards where your intent is never misunderstood. |
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