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Max

Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I like Kristen. She seems very open to him and she's gorgeous and poised. I don't blame her for not opening up to the other girls. Heck, look how little she told them and then how they tried to use it against her! I say, bravo for Andrew and his friends to look beyond the gossip and trust their guts.

I REALLY like Tina Fabulous. She's awesome! As Andrew said, he wants someone who can wear jeans in the daytime and formal gowns at night and this girl definitely can handle that! She's elegant as well as very down to earth.

Liz makes me nuts! She is WAY too emotional and her desire to avoid conflict at pretty much all costs just ends up making her look very, very insecure. Every time she's on camera, she looks like she's about to have a break down.

Amber is definitely too young, emotionally, and would be totally lost in the crowd Andrew probably deals with. I think when she "gave him the cold shoulder" as she left, she really felt it was hurting him somehow. Wrong.

I don't think I like Andrew very much. I haven't from the beginning. Something about him just seems a little insincere and I have a really hard time believing he can't find a wife on his own. I keep thinking I'll like him better as we get to "know" him, but that's not happening.

Onlyhuman

Wednesday, April 16, 2003 - 11:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Uggghhh...I really hate the fact that I'm watching this train wreck. I swore I wouldn't watch it again after last week, but...

I have mixed feelings about Andrew after this. I think he was pretty honest about what he was going to be doing with the other girls. He didn't try to pretend he wouldn't be kissing them all, like the first bachelor, he didn't avoid the topic, like the second one. That was pretty good of him.

On the other hand...it annoyed me to no end that he kept asking the girls about the other girls. He did that on the last episode and the girl who gave him answers is the one he chose not to keep. It just angers me that he was wasting the time he should be using to get to know the women pumping them for information about another women.

As for the women on this episode...

Amber - I couldn't believe he kept her last week, but I thought that the helpless, take care of me routine appealed to him. I think she would have gotten a rose if she had kissed him in the limo, but I'm glad she shut him down. Her comments about being the fat girl at the reunion just cracked me up!

Liz - I really want to like her, but the neediness is unappealing. Yet there is something so normal about her...I'm clinging to the hope that as time goes by she settle down and really let her positive qualities shine.

Kirsten - Grrrr...that girl really bugs me!!! The looks on her face, her determination not to be friends...interesting that she didn't feel that way about the friends of the bachelor. That should be a big clue that she is only interested in people who can offer her something she wants. If that's the type of person Andrew wants, then he's as big a jerk as I think he may turn out to be!

Christina - Crazy, crazy stalker. Her getting angry about his kissing the other girls should have been a huge red flag, Andrew!

Tina "Fabulous" - Love the football playing, hate the spike heels on a trip to the ranch. I think she plays a really good game and that Andrew will be convinced that she will be the one to attend society parties and then put on jeans to help around the winery or whatever it was he said. I'll bet, though, that she never actually does any work, just does a really good job of faking it. I did love her sarcastic sense of humor but hated the cockiness that accompanied it. She'll probably have me see-sawing back and forth until Andrew gives her the ring.

As for the rest...well, some of them I didn't even realize they were on the show. My guess is that Jen goes far, simply because she seems like there will be others to get rid of for obvious reasons *cough*Christina*cough*

Fabnsab

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 01:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It cracks me up that Andrew's friend asked him if Christina's age bothered him. My god, she is only 3 years older than him! Why would 3 years older bother him when 5-6 years younger doesn't? It kills me because that question never would have been asked of Trista- "does it bother you that HE is 3 years older?" We never would hear it...Why in 2003 do we still hold on to such sexist misconceptions?

Fruitbat

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 05:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am baffled as to why Andrew thinks it positive that Kristen did not come to make friends. He believes this is proof that she is serious about him. Makes me think of how much fun the men had with each other while courting Trista. Might as well enjoy the process.

Lurkin

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Surely! They didn't really give Kirsten the diamond jewelery. I thought they were going to say for the evening etc. But that was never said nor implied.

Sbw

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 06:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
When Trista and Ryan took a few minutes by themselves they saw a marriage ceremony taking place. When Kirsten and Andrew were out on the yacht they saw a ceremony taking place. Is that a clue?

Julieboo

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yeah, what about the jewelry? Is that a gift she gets to keep?

Brenda1966

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 07:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
SBW - I thought (and worried) the same thing about seeing the wedding!

I'm thinking Kirsten is one of those flighty, bad news kind of girls. I understand that she's not there to make 25 new friends, but the fact that she hadn't bonded with a single one of them is disturbing.

So gald that Amber is gone. She's not very bright and acted like a brat when she left.

Liz - I like this girl. She's sweet and has the biggest crush on him. However, I think she's still too young and not mature enough yet.

Cristine bugs me to no end. Did you hear her say "don't do that to me again!" when he gave her the rose last. She wants him to guarantee her a rose but that's not the game she signed up to play. When she jumped all over him for kissing others she was out of line. She's along for the drama. Ick.

Tina Fabulous won me over last night (I don't rememeber her from the previous eps because I couldn't keep all the blondes straight). Her cockiness and spunk are fun and he really seems taken with her. She's my pick to win right now.

Andrew's questioning the girls about other girls really bothered me too. Also, the way he asked them to reassure him they were interested in him was a tad annoying. HE doesn't seem to have a ton of self confidence.

Ginger1218

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok help me, what time did this show end. I thought it ended at 11pm and nobody was chosen. I did not see a rose ceremony at all, was I sleeping, on drugs or what?

Brenda1966

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was on for 2 hours. My TV guide only had it listed for one so it was a surprise to me.

Laura11103

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This is the first time I caught this show. I think Andrew is a big flirt and seems to like a lot of them. He obviously has it bad for Kristen who to me, isn't so great. I don't like Liz, in fact I'd say Tina Fabulous is the best one IMO. She's gorgeous and great at throwing a football, lol. I did enjoy the show.

Avrey258

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I liked Tina from Nashville, TN. I knew she wouldn't get a rose. Even his friends said she was a female version of Andrew. I actually thought she was to smart for him.

I'm glad Amber left. Hope she watches the show and sees how bad that date was. I can't believe she thought the date was fine and that she and Andrew had chemistry. It seemed awkward to me.

I don't know about Kirsten. I get a vibe from her that she had her game going on, big time. I aslo found it a little funny that as soon as she realized Tina-fabulous was in the running, she brought out her claws. I have to admit, that Tina-fabulous thing is kind of annoying.

Christina was a surpirse. I thought she acted a little psycho about the kiss. I am assuming she has watched at least on of the other Bachelor shows to know that the bachelor is going to be with other women and kiss them. I don't think her age should be an issue though. When his friends brought up the age issue I honestly had no idea how old Christina was. Three years difference, big deal.

Liz seems very insecure and needy to me. I don't think she'll be around for long. As for the other two, I need to see more of them to form an opinion.

Ginger1218

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I watched it for two hours. From 9-11 and never saw a rose ceremony. Have I lost my mind?

Ginger1218

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I cannot stand Liz. I can't stand her rubbing her face and looking like she is gonna freak out at any second. She is a little bit psychotic.

Ginger1218

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I watched it for two hours. From 9-11 and never saw a rose ceremony. Have I lost my mind?

Laura11103

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was dozing myself Ginger, but I believe there was a rose ceremony... anyone?

Max

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 09:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
yes there was a rose ceremony. y'all must have fallen asleep! :)

Denecee

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ginger- I fell asleep before he handed out the roses, so that is probably what happened to you or you are on drugs.
I'm with you on the Liz chick, I guess he gave her the sympathy rose cause you know he won't pick the needy girl. She's the Christy from B2.
My fav is Tina "fabulous" because she reminds me of my best girlfriend, same sense of humour and scarcasm.
Kristen(the girl who got the dress & jewelry) IMO is a fake. I liked her until after the date when she started bragging to the other girls(the same girls that she doesn't want to make friends with).
Amber made me laugh when she was eating all the cookies because she knew she wasn't getting picked. She bored me to tears on that date but so did Andrew. She clammed up when he asked her how she would feel about him kissing other girls, ding dong you are on a group date. I thought she was clueless when she said the date went well, yeah if you are addicted to boredom.
Jiminey Cricketts, I wasn't even going to watch this episode and now I have to watch so I can gripe about the silliness of these young women and Andrew.

Webkitty

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It was on here from 9-11 (eastern time) and I did see the rose ceremony.
Puttergirl posted the results of that at 7:45 board time though. This would have been 10:45 eastern time. I don't get it. <scratches head>

Anyway, I like Andrew. I can find no fault with him.

I think Jan will be the one he chooses in the end. She is being hidden from us right now, but I just have a feeling.

Tina seems to be the perfect mate for him. She is at ease, and not intimidated by him at all. She is attractive, and gives the impression that she could fit into his world without missing a step. I think he sees this, but I also sense that there is no physical chemistry there on his part.
He did tell her he had butterflys, but I think it was something he ate. I could be wrong, if Jan goes, than Tina is my backup.

Liz is too needy. She seems nice enough, but I wonder about her emotional stability. For some reason, I keep thinking about Elenor Roosevelt when I look at her.

Christina is creeping me out. She is way too intense and forward and I think he senses that. I still say the producers have a hand in who stays. (to a certain degree) She does seem older than the rest, but I don't think its because she is 30. I get the impression she has always been like that. (focused to the point of being odd)

Kristen did not impress me with her vocabulary or pattern of speech. Its obvious Andrew is physically attracted to her but her body language, facial expressions and vocalizations back to him shouted to me that she didn't feel the same way.
It didn't bother me that she wasn't "friends" with the others, so that didn't sway my thinking.

Ann-Michelle seems nice, very hidden at this point and I can't get anything on her.

Who did I miss?

Fabnsab

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it is odd that Andrew wants a girl who likes him for him, and not his money, but on his date with Kirsten when she was talking about the jewelry she was wearing, she said she didn't have alot of jewelry and he make a comment like "we'll have to fix that" or something very similar. OK, say that to the girl you've been dating for 6 months, heck, maybe 3 months, but don't say it to a girl on this show at this time. You can see it in her eyes. She is there to win, not for him. And I am so sick of her looks at the rose ceremony. She is downright cocky. She is awfully pretty though.

Laura11103

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Webkitty, IA with what you said about Kristen, something about her speech... where is she from anyway?

Brenda1966

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 11:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Both Kristen and Liz say "like" WAY too much. It's driving me, like, bonkers, like, you know! :)

Realfan

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<<He said it doesn't matter how she treats the girls but how she treats him. I did not like that at all. If she can't make friends with all types of people then she is not what he is looking for.>>

No kidding! I like Andrew OK, but that was just STOOPID. We just fired a narcissistic personality here at work who could not fit in and everyone despised--there's usually a REASON. She sure DOES have to be able to get along well with others, or his life will be miserable, because after the bloom is off the rose, she'll probably stop getting along with him, too. She has an agenda, and she's terrible at hiding it. It's fine to say you're not there to make friends, but most people would out of a natural course of living in a house with people their age and with similar interests, and getting the most out of life--unless they're cold and dead inside, or very, very ambitious.

I think Jen is really nice--she's probably my top pick, because she seems so approachable. Like someone I'd love to have as a friend. Tina I like, too, though. Is she the one who was looking so poised at the last rose ceremony, standing in back with a black, red, and white dress?

I initially really liked Liz, but she's coming off as way too needy. The expressions she makes during the rose ceremony--pathetic!

I wondered where the goodbye was to the fourth girl, too. That was odd.

I think it makes perfect sense that he let Audree go. Just like I agreed with Trista's decision to let the cowboy go. After all, his family MAKES wine--how could he even talk shop with her? How could he discuss plans to make new blends, or whether a vintage is woodsy or a bouquet is sweet? He couldn't, that's how.

Fruitbat

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last week Christina told him, very pointedly, that he *has* to meet her family. This on the heels of talking about fitting into his life. Her family must be wealthy. This woman is too much.

Webkitty, I think you mean Jen not Jan. They are editing Jen and Tina for the final two. Jen is too intense and serious for me. Tina appears the perfect match right now. I do hope she works at making him comfortable with her by toning down her humor and aloof posture when they are alone.

Why is he calling her Tina Fabulous? Does he realize he is setting her up for trouble with the others?

Fabnsab

Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Fruit, the girls started calling her that and he just picked it up.