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Hermione69 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 10:50 am     Hmmm. This is why I can never carry on a debate -- I see and understand too many sides at once. You raised a good point, too, Crossfire. I think I am just going to go play in the Harry Potter thread for the remainder of the afternoon, ROFLOL! |
Beachcomber88 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 10:55 am     Cross, point well taken and a good opinion. But when he basically compares Ruben to an NFL bust-in-the-making, that's a diss in my book. How can it not be? I agree with Herm - he's not an eloquent speaker and perhaps should have thought a bit more carefully about his words before opening his mouth. |
Brenda1966 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:14 am     I'm with you Crossfire. I also didn't see Josh comparing Ruben to a hyped draft pick as a diss. I also didn't see it as a comment on Ruben's future potential as a music star, but merely a comment on how he's been in the competition. Ruben was touted by the media as being unbeatable but then ended up in the bottom two. Whether I agree or disagree with people, I love reading the comments here. It adds to the experience of AI. |
Ginger1218 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:20 am     I think Josh was stating his opinion. It is what his perception is. In my opinion, there is no diss in any way. |
Crossfire | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:44 am     Beach: It was not the most complimentary thing to say, I agree. I just can't get around idea that maybe is being put forward that Josh is somehow going out of his way to put Ruben down. He was asked to explain how he came to thinking that Clay should win, not to compliment all the competitors. I will throw you a bone on this and say that the complimentary thing to do would have been to leave Ruben completely out of his explanation, and just explain how Clay has grown since he was 'drafted'. Had he done that though you still have this white elephant sitting in the room just begging Matt to point it out. Chances are at least 50-50 that Matt's next question would have been, "So you don't think Ruben has grown?" Part of the problem here, is that Ruben really did make a huge impression very early on, and he had a couple of gimmick's in the 205, and the Ruuuuben thing that were in fact played up. Ruben was already a great singer, there is not really a lot else he can do so show improvement. We could succumb to stereotypical view points and make what seems to be the obvious observation that Ruben is morbidly obese, but within the confines and timelines of this show, there is really not a heck of a lot to be done about that. Clay on the other hand also came in with an exceptional singing performance, but he had room to grow in the image department that was manageable within the confines of the show. Therefore Clay has been seen to be improving by spicing up his image. Clay is also a more dynamic singer and that gave him an opportunity to show what would be perceived as growth almost by design as the various formats for each show came up. Some feel that Ruben was able to 'Rubenize' all his performances rather than be seen to be growing his repertoire. When Josh makes the draft comparison, I don't think he is saying that Ruben will be a bust in the real world, he is speaking within the confines of the show where if you compare Clay and Ruben, it works out just as he described it. Two new rookies were drafted, both were top notch players, but one grew, and the other didn't. For what its worth, while it probably seems like I an defending Josh's perceived diss of Ruben and pointing out how great Clay is, I am actually in Rubens camp. In the event that both put out an album, I would probably only purchase the one Ruben made. That does not mean I think Ruben is the best singer, he just happens to sing what I like. Music is odd like that, we don't necessarily buy what is best, we buy what we like. This is what causes a lot of the "<insert your favorite here> sucks" type comments that people make with regard to music. What they define as best is what they like. I tend to acknowledge that quality exists across all genres and also at varying degrees within them regardless of considering if I actually like them. What I like, and what is best in general terms are two different things. (Sorry for the OT bit, just wanted to explain myself a bit.) |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:48 am     Crossfire, now YOU are an eloquent speaker! |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:50 am     Or "writer" if you want to get technical about it.  |
Crossfire | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:55 am     Why thank you Herm. I hope I am not misunderstanding what Josh said, he may yet give an interview that proves me wrong, but I just wanted to give my take on the comments. |
Essence | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 12:05 pm     I actually saw the interview, and I don't know one way or another if Josh was trying to 'diss' Ruben. I do know he chose the wrong thing to say. When Matt asked him why, there was some hesitation as he thought of what he wanted to say. Maybe he needs to learn how to communicate a little better or something, I don't know. Josh did receive some backlash from many when Ruben was placed in the bottom 2 and he wasn't. That could have something to do with the way he feels about Ruben also. Short of him coming out and actually saying he doesn't like Ruben, one can only assume what he meant. |
Crazydog | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 12:35 pm     I agree with you Essence. Whether he intended it as a diss or not, it doesn't make Joshua look very good. Did anyone else see the interview on CBS this morning? I watched it, and the comments Joshua made about other people's weight (I posted up above) definitely were not complimentary of Ruben. Renee Syler asked Joshua about Simon telling him to lose a few pounds. He simply could have answered, I don't feel like I am overweight and I thought it was not fair of Simon to say that. But instead he went on and on about how "certain others" were definitely overweight and yet not a word was said to them about their weight. Kim Locke, Frenchie, and Vanessa Oliviarez were all criticized about the poundage. The only person that is overweight that has not been told to lose weight is Ruben. It's hard to capture the feel of how he was saying it in words, but to me it came across as someone who is putting on the appearance of being a good guy and refusing to name names but doing everything possible to let us know who he was referring too. It's like he wanted to say something negative without openly telling us he doesn't like Ruben. Make of it what you will, but I saw the CBS interview this morning and I thought his comments re Ruben's weight were in poor taste. I agree with those above who said that Joshua does not have good communication skills. He should have just simply disagreed with the opinion and left it at that. |
Crossfire | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 12:52 pm     You say his comments don't make him look good, I say they don't make him look bad. They are just comments that are open to outside interpretation I guess. So, it appears we are not going to convert anyone so I am bowing out with a agree to disagree. Thanks to all for the discourse. I don't come here expecting to find a bunch of empty heads to fill with my worldview, I come for the discussion, and one was had.  |
Essence | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 01:11 pm     Did anyone else hear that Justin will be singing on tomorrow (5/14) nights show? There are rumors going around other boards that he might be singing Unchained Melody. |
Bracken | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:23 pm     I just saw an interview with Simon on Extra and he says that Clay should be the winner and Kim won't make it to the final two. To paraphrase his comments, he recommended that "Clay stop the facial expressions and make it a 'wink free' night." He told Ruben to "Say something, anything." I think he told Kim to "Say her prayers." Now I know they are out there to hype this show, like it needs it with 20+ million viewers, but I feel it is unprofessional of the judges to comment about who their favorites are or who they think should or will win at this point. I haven't read this entire thread and this comment has probably already been made, but I'm just so disappointed that the judges would be so forthcoming about their preferences before the show is over -- even though I am a diehard Clay fan. |
Crossfire | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:28 pm     Amen on the wink. Winks freak me out. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:30 pm     I thought he wanted Ruben to win? This man seems to change his mind every 30 seconds, LOL. I think at this point, who is going to win isn't going to have much to do with what Simon and the other judges say outside the show. Most people already seem to have their minds made up. I would think that anyone who is just tuning in probably won't fight that hard to get through on the phones after getting busy signals for the first several attempts. Essence, I didn't hear that about Justin, but I hope so. I always like seeing him. He makes me smile! Actually, I would love for Tamyra to come and sing. We've heard from Justin and Kelly, but not Tamyra. If Clay can have a wink-free night, I'll eat some hamster food. I love Clay, but I don't know if he can do it, LOL! |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:34 pm     I don't think he can stop "snap dancing" either when he tries to dance. That is what my brother calls it! We had a real good joke putting together a mock workout video using the dance moves of the last three men. Step-snap, step-snap, squat, c'mon, c'mon finger wave, step-arm raise, step-arm raise, repeat until breathless. We did this in good fun, no offense meant to anyone and notice that it starts off making fun of Clay!  |
Rabbit | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:35 pm     I love Wink, she's a smartasstress extrordinaire!  |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:36 pm     Oops, sorry Crossfire, did my wink up there freak you out?? |
Crossfire | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:38 pm     Yeah, that's innocent fun in my book. (Of course I am going to be paralyzed tonight watching for instances of all this now.) Hehe. |
Crossfire | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:40 pm     Actually, I can handle a smiley wink, so I guess I am ok with it as long as you look something like pac-man. Hehe. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:41 pm     Crossfire, well, Josh contributed the squat, c'mon, c'mon finger wave so you are spared that part, at least! Rabbit, you are funny! I guess I should get back OT. I'll try to find some Miscellaneous Gossip. Maybe we should start a Miscellaneous Observations thread since that is what a lot of this has been. <edited to add that I look more like Princess Toadstool from Super Mario World.> |
Crazydog | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 02:45 pm     Bracken, but the whole point of having the judges is exactly to influence the voting. Or so I thought. The judges are supposed to be experts in the music industry and know what it takes to make it. That's why people get so irritated with Paula's throwaway "you made it your own" and Randy's "you did good, dawg" comments. They are completely useless in terms of trying to determine who they think will make it. Last year at the finals, Simon flat out said that Kelly should win. I think Randy said so too, but not as blatantly. Paula I believe dodged the question but it was pretty clear she wanted Kelly to win as well. |
Donut | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 03:30 pm     dam that herm... she's got me doing that stupid little dance now!! (and it sure made me laugh ..) |
Watching2 | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 03:45 pm     Last night on the Tonight Show, Simon said he "thought" Clay would win, but he would "like to see" Ruben win. Hope that clears up some of the Simon comments. This morning I heard on our local radio station that Paul McCartney is supposed to be a guest judge. They're giving away tickets on the station to a performance of the AI finalists this summer. Then they had a bit about people calling in with their talent. A young kid played guitar and afterward they asked him if that wasn't a Paul McCartney song. It was and then they went on to ask the kid if he knew Paul was supposed to be a judge on the show. There's not too many shows left, so it has to be soon! I wonder if they'll sing McCartney songs? I know I'll be looking forward to THAT guest judge! It's hard to think of him being mean though, but he's been in the business a long time, so he sure has some insight. Whether he uses it or not, will be the question. Oh yeah, the skit on Leno was hysterical and Katie had the "Paula clap" and comments right on. The black wig on her was really funny, also. Happy viewing and voting tonight! |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 03:56 pm     i can't think of one paul mccartney song i would care to hear any of the finalists sing...i'll bet they have to sing his stuff, though. paul was my favorite as a beatle (although i never really liked the beatles much at all after 'i wanna hold your hand, done when i was 9!) but my least favorite when he went out on his own. my daughter loves the paula clap. every week she asks me, "does it look to you like paula's drunk when she claps?" |
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