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Grooch

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 07:31 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<grooch feels a little smug.>

Julieboo

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't think Keri is a drama queen...

(But I sure do think Tonya is!)

Julieboo

Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 07:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
1. Keri / Chris
3. Kyle / Cara / Aneesa
6. Theo
7. Tonya

That's them in the order that I like them. It was hard to put Kyle/Cara/Aneesa in order because I like certain things about each of them and then I really dislike certain things about each of them. (and if Theo wasn't a homophobe, he'd be tied for third too)

Lurkin

Friday, March 29, 2002 - 05:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My question was if Tonya had all the infections & stones on death bed as much pain as she let on. How could she bounce around with Justin with no pain. But to be fair my friend has Tonya size kidney stone problems and they don't hurt until they get in the utera track or something but the infections put her down. Get rid of Tonya keep Justin

I think Keri's dumping Kyle thing was ungeninue. I think that she thought that he would say sorry sorry kiss kiss. I hope she does stick to it though and not get with him and if Slutcara starts going after him like the preview implied I quit watching (no I wouldn't)

I liked Chris but he is bugging me now. He just has a smug look sometimes sorta holier than thou vibe. The Kurt at the bar would have irritated me too.

I think Aneesa's mom has dealt with her dramas and that is why she was short over the Veronica thing, not that it was girl/girl but drama/drama

I still like this season better than NY2.

Seamonkey

Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Chris does have a smugstreak.. of course he's "working his program" but it is hard for me to see why Kurt is considered a distraction to him (my read is that Chris is terrified of a real relationship, sober) but working in a bar is considered a good thing?

Wow, Lurkin, I actually had to think about NY2??and yes, I do like this one better in many ways.

Kizz

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 03:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually Seamonkey, I dated a guy in AA once and he told me the sponsors discourage a serious relationship the first couple years of recovery, and the longer they can put a relationship off, the better. As it was, he told me it didn't bother him that I could have a drink if I wanted one, but it did. We lasted less than 4 months.

Grooch

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 07:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG! I just turned on the RW and I missed the 1st 15 minutes.

What the heck is going on?

Cara was hitting on Kyle and she cannot understand why he isn't hitting on her?!? What have I missed?

And I guess everyone went out and partied late last night and are sleeping through work and Tonya is the only one there and it is to much for her to handle.

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 09:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kizz, is that like in the Sandra Bullock movie where they have to adopt a plant before they can be in a realtionship?

Grooch, Theo's brothers came into town and they are SO funny! Esp, the, oh, I'm not sure what his name is, but for lack of any other description, the slimmer one. He was riding the luggage as it went around the conveyor belt at the airport! LOL! And these two guys haven't figured out the "don't look at the camera" rule yet. But anyway, that's why they went out that night.

Cara was hitting on Kyle because Keri went to N.O. (she was feeling homesick) and so Cara took advantage of her being away and swooped in for the kill. Apparently she's been very jealous of Kyle and Keri's closeness (or at least that's how they edited her to appear) and they went off to have dinner together and she supposedly poured her heart out to him and asked him why he wasn't attracted to her, yada yada yada. Something about her always bugged me, now I have a reason to be aggravated at her. How does she go after Kyle (if that's what really happened) when she knows how her roommate feels about him??? Sheesh! Anyway, isn't she supposed to be trying the single thing since she's "always had a boyfriend," come on girl, you can do it! You ARE SOMEBODY (by yourself) LOL!

Seamonkey

Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 11:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Keri went to NO to go to a wedding. Cara was hitting on Kyle because she finally had him to herself.. badmouthed Keri, stroked Kyle's gigantic
ego.. I sure wouldn't leave him around a boyfriend if I was straight and her age.. in fact do you ever notice how often she goes around topless when Aneesa's lesbian friends are around, I don't think anyone could trust Cara.

Kizz, yes, I've heard that about 12 step programs and not getting into serious relationships, but then perhaps he shouldn't keep leading the guy on, like inviting him to a cabin, etc..

And would AA recommend members being bartenders?

But, his life, for sure.

Tonya was left alone with the kids while the others slept (and did anyone see Aneesa or Cara at Theo's party?? it seemed to be at a hotel with a pool on the roof) but they seem to be gleeful that the kids think Tonya is too bossy and by the book and blaming her for a kid not attending all the time.. (she does sound a bit bossy), but Theo, Aneesa and Cara were the ones threatened with being written up, so I'm guessing next week they'll continue to deflect things onto Tonya.

I swear that watching the Osbournes right after RW, was a totally refreshing, unslimey experience compared to the RW gang.

Oh and the preview shows that next week we will get to see Cara bed down yet another guy, who she bills as the boyfriend from hell from the past, that isn't the exact wording..

Cliotheleo

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 06:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey, did you see where Cara was crying at the end (of the previews for next week?) It showed this exboyfriend touching her on the booty, and then her crying and then one of the roommates commenting how she "has no fat on her body," like they were worried about her having an eating disorder. Did that make any sense to you?

Grooch

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 06:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Clio and Seamonkey for the summary.

Clio, I thought it was Kyle that did that, not the ex-boyfriend.

Julieboo

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 07:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually I think it was Chris. But I could be wrong. Chris was the one who commented on her having no fat, then they went to her crying. It confused me too, Clio.

After last night, Cara drops a level in my "order of liking them". Actually she is getting very close to the bottom rung with Tonya.

Theo for sure moved up a notch for caring so much about the kids. Tonya moved up a tiny bit for being empathetic to Keri. Kyle is about to drop to the last rung if he doesn't straighten out. I still would like to see him & Keri together.

Max

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 08:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cara should just get a shirt that says "HOLD ME, I'M NEEDY!" and wear it all the time. Seems like she's suddenly jealous of Kyle and Keri's relationship (such as it is) because she hasn't had any boy-toys paying attention to her recently.

To me, Cara seems like she's in heavy denial. She says how everything is just fine, how she wants to be alone for the first time in her life to find out who she is, how her father's actions are totally cool with her, etc. etc. etc. But her actions belie those statements. She's got issues and they are understandable. Heck I think any teenage girl whose father up and moved to another city without seeming to consult the rest of the family or even care if they came along would have issues. Top that off with the guy up and moving AGAIN as soon as the family relocates to be with him and you get a kid who needs some counseling.

I feel bad for Cara because she seems like she has a lot to offer but it's all jammed up in bad self-image issues and neediness.

From the preview, it looks like Chris is starting to be concerned about her. I'm sure he can recognize some of the signs of a person with a problem since he's been there with the alcohol. Maybe he confronts her about a possible eating disorder accompanied by a morbid need to have a man pawing her all the time (even if it's the ex-boyfriend she describes as the "boyfriend from hell"). Such a confrontation would certainly send her into tears.

We'll see.

Julieboo

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 09:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Good points Max.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Correction!!

I sure wouldn't leave HER, Cara, around a boyfriend if I was straight and her age.. in fact do you ever notice how often she goes around topless when Aneesa's lesbian friends are around, I don't think anyone could trust Cara

Grooch

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey, I agree with you.

I also noticed her always walking around the apartment or sitting on the bathroom floor w/her arms always crossed across her breasts. Why is she bothering to take off her shirt?

Anway, I am afraid after next week's episode about her eating disorder, the following one we will find out that she is also a kleptomaniac and is stealing from the roommates.

I only hope that after watching these shows, she will go get some kind of help.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Julie and Max, yes, I do think it was Chris who was commenting on Cara's lack of padding.. and I'm sure someone should be concerned; does this woman ever EAT?

I totally agree that Cara (the whole bunch, pretty much) is just chock full of issues, not sure that in front of the cameras would be the place to work them out, but.. the cameras are there :)

Cara and Tonya both have many reasons to feel needy.. Tonya clings to the boyfriend (who seems to be a nice sort) and gets attention by being a drama queen.. I'm guessing that inside she feels that she can never be "enough" so she stresses her success in being attractive and having a boyfriend (= stability) but she also fears exposure as a fraud, so the drama with her physical problems can be a "safe" haven.. she can "fail" (like in the swim test..) or actually stop trying, and fall back on being sick.. which also gets her lots of attention and coddling. Cara, especially feeds on that.. codependent as heck.

(I can relate to some of these issues)

Cara's caught in the obvious.. wanting daddy's approval.. wanting approval from men in general.. and it appears that body image is also involved there.. something she can control.. grades not high enough, aspirations not high enough, but I can be thin..

I do feel for them..

Kyle.. wow.. I hope when he's watching this he can actually see how twisted is his logic. He's the one who came into the house basically saying "I know I'm irresistable but you can't touch me.. oh well you can TOUCH me, because I have needs, but you can't need me, etc.. and then calls the girlfriend back home and tells her how "good" he is being even though he's really tempted by Keri.. which of course hurts the girlfriend and then he's bewildered that Nicole isn't proud of him and supportive, and that Keri, getting so many mixed messages from him,, and genuinely being attracted to him, and then being told that he broke up with the girlfriend, but then Kyle treats her like a dirty secret anywhere in public.. like let's roll around in bed but when we are on the street.. keep your distance..

I just wish he will see what he's doing.

And of course he just can't be alone for a couple of days while Keri is gone, so he hugs on Cara.. then when Keri gets back, he's the hero at the airport and immediately has to tell Keri how Cara is jealous of them (of course jacking up Keri's anxiety level..

He's really working it..

whew..

Max

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 10:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe MTV should have added a psychologist to this house. There certainly are a lot of issues on the loose in the place! I bet having protestors outside on a regular basis doing things like throwing paint bombs at the front door didn't help, either!

Littlebreeze

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 11:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
How could Kyle sit with Cara and badmouth Keri, acting as though he was horrified at Keri's attachment to him? He relentlessly pursues Keri, coming on to her and leading her on, big time. If I were Keri and saw those clips of Cara and Kyle and listened to what Kyle said about me, I'd feel like a fool. Kyle himself created the situation with Keri and he loves every minute of it. It suited his purpose to slight Keri when she wasn't around in order that Cara would stroke his huge and needy ego.

Kyle showed the other of his two faces and it became very clear that he's been doing nothing more than using Keri to make himself feel important, giving no thought or concern to how she could be hurt.

In my eyes, he didn't make Keri look bad but he made himself look very bad. He's young and obviously immature but immaturity does not excuse such poor treatment of a supposed friend. Keri seems like a sweet kid with a big heart. As we see this show progress, I hope she sees through this dog's facade and turns an icy shoulder to him. Like she said, she deserves better. With a friend like Kyle, she doesn't need an enemy.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 11:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with every word, Littlebreeze..

Julieboo

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 11:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with every word, LB. I think Keri has been very mature about things so far. She is dying to be with Kyle, yet he won't let her in all the way. Yet she's not being a drama queen or mopey or anything.

Kizz

Wednesday, April 03, 2002 - 04:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey that was a really insightful analysis of the roommates (I'm impressed). I was very sad to see Cara (in the preview) getting ready to bed yet another boy from her past. Yet I do somewhat relate to her need to seek validation from men based on the small amount of information we have on the relationship with her dad. I am heartbroken for her but also disgusted with her for trying to displace Keri.

And I agree with you about Chris leading Kurt on, I can relate to that too, believe me.

Lurkin

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 08:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't understand why Tonya didn't wake the other 3 up at least somebody. She just gets ready and goes to work alone? Taking the van? I know when I get up and go to work I want everybody up going too , I'll be damn if they get to sleep in :)

The previews looked like to me also that she was upset with Chris, maybe it is distortated. But I thought how could she be upset at him for just touching him, (being a gay male especially) but she goes around topless and sleeping with everyone. Must be more to it, guess I will find out tonite

Cliotheleo

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe it has less to do with the fact that he touched her, and more to do with his accusations that she may be anorexic. I think there may be 2 drama queens in the house. :)

Guinevere

Tuesday, April 09, 2002 - 11:44 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I think there's at LEAST three drama queens in the house. Keri's the only female I can stand.