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Serate | Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 01:17 pm     I feel the need to quit lurking and post on the Tonya subject. First of all I will start off by saying I really can't stand her. I'm tired of the "I'm so pitiful, I was a foster kid so I had nothing NOTHING". Well she had a roof on her head. Clothes on her back. And she's 21 so she should know by now that LIFE IS JUST NOT FAIR. I thought it funny that she didn't have a birth certificate or social security card "because she was a pitiful foster child" but had a driver's license. Now I'm not from Washington [tho imagine this when I went to college there was a girl Dana that was from the now infamous WallaWalla Washington!!!!]but in Iowa and in Kansas [the only 2 places I have lived]in order to get your driver's license and/or permit you have to have one or the other, in Iowa it was both. AND it's not that hard to get copies of either and it's not like she was given up at birth. She became a foster child at 12. *sighs* I'm quitting now before I really get started and going back to just being a lurker. Sorry. |
Ocean_Islands | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 05:49 am     These people are so young they are just beginning to figure out how to live. That's why this show is called 'the real world'. I don't think it's fair to expect someone who grew up with such challenges to be exactly the same as those who didn't have such challenges. It is our experiences that make us who we are and that is who Tonya is -- a foster child, and she still is one. She needs someone to teach her how to be and make up for what she didn't get -- and like for many of us, that is a tall order and she has further to go than most. If you would stop and listen, you would hear that she is trying to explain who she is and why -- and there can't be anything wrong with that. |
Julieboo | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 08:34 am     I still think Tonya is a drama queen, even though I do think she has legitimate medical problems. If she has insurance, then I don't think she'll have to pay the full 9-grand. Even out of state, insurance will cover. Just not the 90% that they'd cover if you use a particiapting doctor/hospital. If she does not have insurance, then she's not too bright. She obviously knows she needs more than average medical attention. (now if she can't get insured due to pre-existing stuff, then I really don't know...) I also am liking her more than I used to. I feel sorry for her to a point. And the point is now she is old enough and capable enough to deal with life. She seems like she now has a good support system with Justin. She kept going on about how she was going to marry him and he was going to marry her. There are plenty of things in everyone's life that are hardships, but you deal and you go on. You don't dwell. That's my opinion and I may get flamed, but I'll deal with it. |
Seamonkey | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 12:39 pm     Some dwell, some don't dwell.. Zillions of people are uninsured.. some bright, some not-so-bright. Some insurance is pretty limited. If you've never had to get insurance that isn't group insurance, especially through an employer.. it is VERY expensive and if it is with an HMO, it may well not cover out of state. With this show and this age group, most of them dwell on their issues (or deny them).. Tonya isn't unique in that. |
Teddybear | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:10 pm     I dont know where else to post this... It's an article about Steven from Seattle and recently Road Rules/Real World Fantasy challenge http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rwsteve1.shtml |
Squaredsc | Monday, April 29, 2002 - 07:48 pm     i didn't like tonya from the beginning, feel a little sorry for her, but after watching the episode where cara took her to the hospital and after she was out she was guzzling sprite from the 2liter bottle. come on, now i have never had kidney stones but even i know that if you are having that problem then you need to leave the soda alone and i am sure the doctors have told her about what foods/drinks to avoid. she did say she has insurance in washington and if she was so concerned with her health then she would still be in washington, and if it was me i would be like f*ck the show and would stay in washington so (1) i could get the care with doctors who are familiar with my medical history, (2) so i wouldn't be responsible for medical bills. moving on...i missed last weeks episode so how did the (oh crap i have totally forgotten the girl's name but the one in the house that kyle likes) is kyle still missing nicole but still want the other girl?? i think he wants his cake and wants to eat it too(no pun intended). and i don't understand how he can think that his girlfriend was going to wait around for him to get himself together. oh and i can't comment on the aneesa thing 'cause i didn't see it. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 01:03 am     Kyle and Keri weren't too prominent in this episode.. they visited Tonya in the hospital and Kyle encouraged Cara not to be such a doormat, like when she was cleaning up for Aneesa. I agree on your analysis of Kyle.. Thinking back, when I was 17 I started college, at 19 got married and worked for 18 mo to save money (both of us), and we had insurance there, but then went back to school for a calendar year and just had student health center, but then after a 3 mo job search (with a month downed by the Hong Kong flu, which was a really bad one) I got my first programming (trainee) job and had insurance from that time forward.. But I've always been really conservative, lots of people that age wing it.. so while I wouldn't have done BB without (or with) insurance, I don't let my disapproval keep me from compassion for them.. I saw a preview tonight on MTV.. they get some direction about going to some job.. and then they show Aneesa loudly saying she has to work with TONYA (in a tone that means Tonya is obviously Satan..) so I"m guessing they have to pair up? since they already work together??? Theo says something after Aneesa's comment, but I didn't catch what it was. tomorrow will tell. |
Julieboo | Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 08:20 am     I do have compassion for Tonya even if it didn't seem so from my post. It seems my opinion changes from episode to episode of certain people. I guess me aging really has a lot to do with my opinion of insurance. I remember when I was just out of college looking for a job, I honestly didn't understand why anyone cared about whether or not an employer had good insurance. Of course now (several years, some illnesses, some surgeries and a kid later) I do completely understand. But back then I never got sick or hurt, so I thought why do I need it? But Tonya must know that she needs it. |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 12:36 pm     I dunno.. people are often in denial and I do wonder if she had had a healthy period and then with the stress of going into the house things flared up? I'm always saddened by all the young smokers on these shows. And the excessive drinking as well. I remember all those years when insurance was great and of course I almost never needed it.. now of course I pay an arm and two legs for it but at least they have really decent prescription coverage.. no dental. Never have had eyecare ins, tho my ophthalmologist's office managed to qualify my exam this year so I just had a copay, but glasses of course were on me. I've always been one to insure.. cars, renter's policies when I rented, homeowners, including flood and earthquake ins (we did get to stop flood ins in the last year here) My main prob tonight is juggling frontier house, Osbournes, Roswell, Gilmore Girls and RW especially wanting to add to my tapes for Osbournes and frontier house. I'll manage. |
Tksoard | Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 01:08 pm     Seamonkey, check your TV Guide. Frontier House is on 3 times a night (early morn.) here. Maybe that can take care of one of your problems.  |
Seamonkey | Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 11:20 pm     Nope.. not here.. but I taped it on one vcr, taped ozzy on another and watched everything else and ozzy too. == Tonight's RW.. not much happening but aneesa's still got the 'tude about Tonya.. Liked Aneesa's and Cara's duet. The new job.. well here comes the race card.. whoda thunk? Especially that Halloween would have started it. Next week will (maybe) be interesting. |
Webkitty | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 06:31 am     What Seamonkey said  |
Julieboo | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 07:09 am     Yep, kinda boring. Not much time on Tonya at all. And the race thing. OLD! And ridiculous that Theo brought it up. There was absolutely nothing racial with the hanging story. Hasn't he ever heard about witches (white ones!) being hung? Not to mention plenty of white people? (like those involved with Lincoln's murder, plus a whole lot more.) Hanging was not just for blacks. Especially in the 1700 and 1800s. |
Squaredsc | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 09:33 am     actually sea/julie i have heard about witches being burned at the stake not hung. its amazing how people get defensive when a black person says he is uncomfortable with an issue, in this case hanging. and frankly i am a little perturbed that anytime we bring up something to do with our race we have to explain ourselves. he is uncomfortable with hanging, which to us it was lynching. just to add a little black history for those who don't know....lynching has been around in the 1800's. there are numerous articles on the 'net regarding lynching. on won site: www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAlynching.htm it says that "after the establishment of the ku klux klan in 1867 the number of lynching of african americans increased dramatically. in 1884, ida wells, editor of Free Speech, a small newspaper in memphis discovered that during a short period 728 black men and women had been lynched by white mobs. of these deaths, two-thirds were for small offences such as public drunkenness and shoplifting." i also really hate to have to keep on trying to explain things from our point of view. it is really getting tiring. but i guess that as long as i see people comments like the ones above, i will have to keep trying to explain.
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Julieboo | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 09:43 am     Square, we have agreed on some things and disagreed on some things. You don't need to explain to me what a lynching is. Lynching makes me as sick as it does anyone. And that is not my point with Theo. The point is that Keri's story had NOTHING-NOTHING-NOTHING to do with black people or slaves. So WHY did he bring black people being hung (or lynched) up? (BTW her story had to do with an irish woman being hanged.) |
Webkitty | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:11 am     I think Keri's story pertained to the fact that WOMEN were hung on a regular basis back then for even ~suspected~ infidelity, I'm not remembering that witchcraft came into the story? Anyway, I'm SURE it didn't have anything to do with race. I don't think anyone in that van was being insentive to Theo. He took a story about an Irish woman and turned it into an uncomfortable situation for all. He said he was against "celebrating" Halloween in the first place, he his entitled to his opinion on that, but he really went somewhere he shouldn't have gone with the hanging issue. It has NOT historically been reserved for the black race. Many WOMEN have been hanged unjustly in the past. (white) horse theives in the ~wild west~ and "outlaws" the list could go on and on w/o ever bring a black person into it. Square, you are a valuble poster here and I enjoy reading your posts, please don't be offended! TVCH is an open minded and giving community. I think the situation got out of hand in the van unessisarily and I would hate to see that get mirrored here.  |
Webkitty | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:14 am     Sorry about the spelling boo boo's above, I'm in a hurry to get out of the house! (shouldn't even be here posting right now anyway!)  |
Julieboo | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:17 am     I agree totally with you Webkitty. I enjoy reading posts and posting here. I enjoy "dueling" (for lack of a better word) as long as it is fair and respectful. |
Grooch | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:33 am     Julie, I have to agree with Square. Theo is sensitive about it. It's a hot button for him. Even Aneesa understood why Theo was upset. Theo has been bending over backwards to be sensitive to other people in the house. He doesn't believe in homosexuality, but he has been trying to understand it. He hasn't gone or done anything (as far as I can see to insult Chris.) He moved in with Tonya being afraid of him for the sole reason that he is black. He has to deal with that and be sensitive to her. When he threw the party and everyone got pissed at him, he was repectful and when his friends came, he had the party at the hotel so not to bother him. Now he has to do a job promoting Halloween that I believe goes against his religious beliefs (there are many people down here in Miami that are dead set against Halloween for religious reasons.) ANd he accepted it and said he would do the best job he could. Now in the car Kerri tells the story (which sounded pretty gruesome if they are doing this for young kids) and he asked for them to change it from a hanging to something else. He could have approached it a bit better, but he was very frustrated and emotional at the time and so was everyone else. Maybe the other people in the car don't understand why it it a hot button for him, but the least they could have done was listen to him and if he is uncomfortable with it, change the way she dies. And they should really take his thoughts into consideration since they seem to be in a very mixed community and it could be upsetting to other people also who go to watch it. In another thread someone posted an article about Does Survivor show black men in a bad light. In the story they were saying that Mark Burnett might be racially insensitive because he is from another country and is unaware of a lot of things. They used an example of some dutch producers from Fear Factor couldn't understand why some black contestants got really upset with a stunt about being pulled by horses by ropes. I didn't understand either at first why they got upset. I had to stop and think why. Then I remembered the story of the black man who got pulled by the truck a few years ago in Jasper, Texas (I think). Because this was so recent, I could relate to it and I could finally understand why they would be so upset. I think the whole point of the incident wasn't racial. I think it was more that Theo had a hot button pushed and the rest of them were very insensitive to his feelings and tried to force their point of view without considering his feelings. jmo. |
Weinermr | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:59 am     I don't think it matters whether the story was racial or not racial, hanging or not hanging, black or not black. The point (for me) is that it bothered Theo - WHATEVER the reason. And THAT point was totally lost on the roommates. They were so busy telling him how he should or shouldn't be feeling, that they completely ignored the fact that it DID bother him. Who cares WHY it bothers him. It's not an issue of right or wrong. It's an issue of caring about someone and letting them have their own feelings, and being sympathetic to THEIR hurt and not trying to determine what THEIR feelings should be by measuring them by your own standards. It doesn't mean they have to change the story, it doesn't mean anyone is right, wrong, or inbetween. They could have resolved the issue all the way around, but they are all ME ME ME (including Theo) and it's never going to happen with that group. JMO |
Julieboo | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 11:00 am     It may be a hot button for him, but he is the one who made the hanging a "deal". The point is that no one tried to push his hot button. I do not think the rest of the gang was insensitive. They were upset that he made an issue of it. Theo made it uncomfortable. jmo as well. I give up. I am gonna get grief no matter what I say here. (and I don't think Theo was respectful at all during and after his party-the one he had in their house) |
Weinermr | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 11:07 am     That's right Julieboo. Theo was as insensitive of his roommates feelings at his party as they were of his feelings in the van. Same issue, different sides of the coin. FYI - I'm not trying to give anyone any grief about their own opinions - I'm just stating my own.  |
Grooch | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 11:09 am     Julie, I didn't say Theo was respectful with the first party. I said that he realized the roomates were upset about the party, so he took their feelings into consideration and when his friends came to visit, he had the party at the hotel instead of the house. Weiner, thank you for explaining better what I was trying to say. |
Weinermr | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 11:16 am     Grooch - You said it fine. It was bothering me, so I said it in my own words for therapeutic value. |
Grooch | Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 11:17 am     I also didn't say that they were trying to push his hot button. Hanging seems to be a sensitive issue to him. I am sure there is no way they could have known. But when he got excited about it, they didn't realize how sensitive he was about it, and kept pushing it, instead of saying, ok we'll think about changing it, or let's talk about it later, or ok, let's make it a stoning, instead. They were insensitive. That's all I was trying to say. Julie, I hope you don't think I am giving you grief. We both happen to disagree on the topic, and I was only trying to explain my perspective of the issue. I wasn't posting just to disagree w/ you for the sake of disagreeing. |
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