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Aria

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm actually not too shocked. I voted for Justin to go in the poll but I had a feeling it might be Tamyra. We have to realize that a great number of the voters are young people who are voting on what they saw last night and not the big overall picture and frankly Tamyra was not great last night.

BTW I thought this before I heard about the voting thing.

Did anyone see that guy on Good Morning America today? He said he bought a dialer to get tickets for concerts and games etc. (presumably to win them not to purchase them). Apparently they are professional contest players. They said that the phone dialer can make something like 100 votes in an hour.

They really need to start charging for votes like in BB1. I was less than thrilled with having to pay back then, but can you imagine the controversy it would have caused? LOL! And just think they were mad cuz of the George's family setting up phones for people to dail.

No wonder Tamyra's gone. No wonder I never win anything.

Labpuppy

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Aria. Now the producers have to figure out a style of singing that will enable Kelly to stay, so maybe Wilson is right, and country songs is the only hope they have. Could you imagine their predicament if she loses next time, and voters decide between Justin and Nikki for the ultimate winner?

They either have to use Aria's system of voting next year, or make it so that each phone # can only call in one time.

I don't think Tamyra's problem was necessarily that 14 year olds only have short term memory. I think she was the only player left who didn't have a loyal cadre who would support her on an off night like Nikki had last week (or Justin has had every week).

Seamonkey

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I wish it had been Justin going.

I do have great confidence that Tamyra (and all of those left) WILL get some huge opportunities out of this.

My votes went to Nikki and I had way more calls that couldn't get thru than could.

I'll have to be sure to watch the tape.

(Well, after it actually happens here of course).

Did they play the game of pulling out the two lowest vote-getters?

Wilsonatmd

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Aria...the problem is, some states don't allow 900 numbers to be dialed, or block them on certian phones. Also, you need a parent's permission before dialing, so the number of calls wouldn't nearly be as high, and some states wouldn't be represented. Therefore, they have to use a toll-free number.

Ladytex

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm disappointed that Tamyra left as she has one of the best voices, but after hearing the judges, I'm sure that she will be taken care of. Simon was totally PO'd. What did y'all think of his comment to "Watch This Space"? I took it to mean that next week may have a surprise or two ....

Hummingbird

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tamyra lost with class tonight. She's a winner anyway. I missed the show where A.J. lost. What did he say that was so controversial? He just wasn't in the other's league and if he insinuated it was fixed, he is a bad sport.

Kizz

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 08:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, I thought he said "watch this face" and then he winked. Didn't understand what that meant anyway. I'm such a boob.
Very shocked Tamyra is out. Nikki should feel extremely lucky as she really is not in the same league as the others. No way she should be in if Tamyra is gone. Oh well. Tamyra will be back.

Hummingbird

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, meant to say "what did R.J. say that was so controversial?" A.J. of course was always the gentleman.

Wcv63

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the problem is that Nikki appeals to a certain fanbase, Justin appeals to a certain fanbase and Tamyra and Kelly split a fanbase who were interested in talent and ability. That vote splitting is what caused Tamyra to be voted off IMO.

I thought he said "face" too and meant it as a way of saying that Tamyra isn't going to disappear but go on to great and wonderful things with her singing. If he said "space" then I have no clue.

Danimom

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if he said space or face, I think face. But in any case, I do think the real talent has been removed to clear the way for Kelly and Nikki in the finals.

I think Nikki should have been voted out. I thought Justin next week. I have always thought Kelly would pull the votes and win. I still think she will do that.

I think Tamyra will be signed by someone else, maybe even Simon, and be a bigger star than Kelly.

I think Kelly would be such a huge broadway star. I think this pop idol stuff just isn't who she is. She's perfect for broadway.

Tvjunkie

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
He says, "watch this face." I think that he said that so she would notice his wink of reassurance that he would help her pursue her singing career.

I was floored that it was Tamyra! WOW! I expected Nikki to be in the bottom two, she usually is. I really thought Justin was going to be up there with her and then it is a toss up. When I saw Tamyra go up I knew Nikki was a goner! I am completely dumb founded. I thought this would come down to Kelly and Tamyra.

Guess Simon is right, not one of them is safe.

Jasonfan

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 11:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Is it possible that so many people just assumed Tamyra was going to be safe that they voted just to help the others? I agree Tamyra had an off night, but even on an off night she's better than Nikki and Justin. Justin's a great performer, but vocally can not compete with Tamyra and Kelly.

I think Simon's comment "watch this face" was aimed at the audience about Tamyra. She'll be a bigger star than the winner.

I think she handled herself wonderfully.

Shrike3000

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 02:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it was a "I am ready to sign you right now" wink.

I personally voted for Nikki, because her style fits what I like. I think Tamyra was splitting votes, and not picking up many of the voters who sued to vote for RJ, i think most went to Nikki the underdog.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 05:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's an article that I thnk sums up the reason Tamyra lost perfectly.

http://www.foxesonidol.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article1008.art&page=1

Basically, it said since the show has so many new viewers from week to week, the new viewers vote based on the songs from that week. Tamyra got sick at the wrong time, and Nikki had a better performance than before, and got enough of the first-time viewer's votes to make the difference. Also, the theme for next week seems to be in flux...some say it's country, some say it's "Judge's choice", which I think would totaly put Nikki at at a disadvantage.

Quietstorm4

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 06:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That article is as good an explanation as any. I'm a huge Tamyra supporter, and I agree that she didn't have a 'great' night, but she lost to Nikki...? Come on now. (That's what my face looked like when I heard.)

I just hope that if Nikki has another good performance, the Kelly supporters get their redials in working order for next week. If anyone but Kelly wins this thing now, it would be such a waste. A whole season of American Idol just shot to pieces.

Avrey258

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 06:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess i'll jump on the bandwagon and say that I am shocked that Tamyra was voted out. Here are some of my observations:

Everyone keeps saying that Niki has a certain style. She does. It is definitely the rock songs that work best for her. However, I wonder if anyone else noticed that Niki has a hard time carrying a tune. That does not mean that I think she can't sing certain songs, however, I have noticed that she veers off course during her singing and sounds like she is on the wrong key alot. Her voice also sounds flat to me. Her range is poor. I will say I believe her best night in my opinion was this week. Unfortunately, it may have been others, ie. Tamyra's worst.

Justin is only average. There, I said it. I have felt from his first audition that he was more of a judges favorite (as far as singing anyways) than an audience favorite. I never could figure out why Simon said "a singer like Justin comes along once in a great while, and he (Simon) felt privledged to hear him (Justin) sing."Hello? Was I missing something. I never thought Justin was anything more than an average singer....broadway chorus singer or understudy at best. Don't bash, just my opinion.

Now, I feel the true talent lies with Kelly and Tamyra. Unfortunately, Tamyra had the sore throat and her song choice was extremely poor, which really surprises me since they could pick songs from the seventies and eighties. Kelley had a better night. I am scared that Niki will win. Is this the best we have?

Ddsbarefootagn

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought Tamyra handled herself with grace and style last night. We couldn't hear her, but she kept mouthing "it's ok" to the audience, etc.

I thought Simon said "watch this face" also, and I saw the wink. I took it to mean she would see him again - as in his company will be interested in signing her.

Brenda1966

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
For some reason the link to the article above is not working for me. :( But it sounds plausible that there are enough new viewers each week to play havoc with the voting. Also, one has to wonder what happens to all the voters who lose their favorite the week prior -- are they coming back and voting for a new favorite? If so this should bode well for Kelly. I think most people who liked Tamyra for her talent would now switch their vote to Kelly as she is the most talented of the remaining 3.

One also has to wonder if this "loss" isn't really a win for Tamyra. She won't be under any kind of "american idol" contract as the winner and presumably would be able to branch out on her own easily and more quickly. I'm shocked to see her go and would have liked to see the two best in the finals go head to head (Tamyra and Kelly).

Realfan

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was FLOORED to see Tamyra--who I thought would win this thing--voted out last night!!

I think too many people voted to support Nikki and forgot to vote to Tamyra.

I think it's clear she'll be signed by Simon. I watched what he said twice, and I'm pretty sure it was "watch this space." Plus the wink. Either way, I think he was telling her he's going to offer her a record deal. I heard some in the audience react, too, to his comment, in a "WOW" kind of way.

I don't think Simon can contractually make the offer until the show ends, since it would compete with the official American Idol's press. That's why he asked her to wait and watch for something coming...

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I viewed the tape this morning (half hour show riddled with commercials is perfect.. I can view while brushing teeth, etc.. ff thru the "breaks".

Simon did say "Watch this Space" and what an adorable wink!! I'm quite sure Tamyra will go far.

I feel so bad for Nikki.. even when she "wins" she has to feel bad because people are booing. Meanwhile the obnoxious mop top is sitting there safe. Sorry.. I just don't like the guy. If he beats Kelly in the end, there is NO justice in the world.

If the theme next time is country that could be good for Kelly and Nikki.. Nikki could choose from the more "rock-y", upbeat stuff from a number of female coutry artists and Kelly could also excel with country. Not saying Justin cannot but smirky, smarmy, prancy, dancy, don't-you-just-love-my-hair may not cut it with country songs, IMO.

Simon's comment that people vote on the latest performances.. well in that case I think Justin would have been gone, not Tamyra.

I vote for Nikki because I've liked her from the very beginning. But next week I'll put in votes for Kelly as well because Justin needs to go :)

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That article had another point, that the RJ voters probably switched to voting for Justin.

Djgirl5235

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey - I agree wholeheartedly with you! I've been a tied Kelly/Nikki fan since the beginning. I have felt horrible for Nikki over the past three weeks, and haven't bothered to tape the show, because who needs to see the humiliation, ESPECIALLY since BB3 is on at the same time - I just wait until Thursday and read up about it on the net... Much to my surprise I too was ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that Justin was kissing the screen goodbye - Alas, that isn't to be.

Now, however, if they decide to do Country this week, I can definitely see Nikki singing something by the Dixie Chicks, and Kelly something by Faith Hill, and Justin - doesn't have a chance in "h-e-double hockey sticks" of performing a country song!!! If I could vote (not available in Canada - as usual) I would definitely give both Kelly & Nikki's lines calls until the 2 hours were up so that Justin was kicked off... I can't stand that dancing lollipop!!!

Whoami

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"...smarmy, prancy, dancy, don't-you-just-love-my-hair may not cut it with country songs, IMO."

Well, he could always do Achy Breaky Heart!

Hummingbird

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin may fool us all with something like "I got Friends in Low Places" or "I'm a Member of the Country Club." I am lol thinking about it. Can't you see him now in a ten gallon hat!

Muse

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow. I missed the results show, and I can't believe that Tamyra was eliminated. I thought she might make the bottom two (since she was off on Tuesday night and all), but *never* figured that she'd be eliminated. Hm. Just goes to show that people are being judged on their performances from that night, not on their overall talent. Oh well - I'm sure Tamyra will do well regardless.

I will be hoping that Nikki gets eliminated next. I don't understand why she's still around. I liked Tamyra a lot better than her. Heck, I even liked Ryan and R.J. better than her, and that's not saying a whole lot. :)

Anyway, my guess is that Justin will go next, what with all the devoted Nikki fans and the anti-Justin sentiment out there. But even if he doesn't - I really think Kelly will win. Justin and Nikki both have a strong fan following, but everywhere I go on the net (and everyone I talk to who follows the show, for that matter) there's talk about Kelly. And in the final two, where there's only two choices to pick from, I think it's probably safe to say that Kelly will win out. (Of course, I also thought that Tamyra would stay last night, so what do I know? :))

I'm also disappointed that I missed the Paula Abdul medley, by the way. :(