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Seamonkey

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Who, I actually thought about that song but that guy had a better voice and a mullet :)

I really think doing Michael Jackson told me where Justin may be coming from..

(btw.. just heard on tv that Michael now has a third child, supposedly his bio child, mother not revealed and his name is Prince Michael Jackson II (first son is Prince Michael Jackson I), Is this not bizarre?)

I think Justin would need a twenty gallon hat to accomodate all the hair and ego..

Max

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I looked up "bizarre" in a dictionary and was only vaguely surprised to find Michael Jackson's picture next to the definition.

Car54

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 12:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe Michael Jackson's sons Michael can box George Foreman's sons George.

Kitt

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 01:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Simon said "Watch this space", basically it means keep an eye out for this person, as something (good) is going to happen for her (like they have on newspapers when they're working on a story and they only print the basics but say "watch this space for more"). I wondered if Americans used it or not, Tamyra looked a little unsure.

If next week is Country week it puts Justin at a bit of a disadvantage, as the other two are pretty much natural country style singers. At this late stage in the game they should be more general I think.

And did you all notice how Tamyra sang her song absolutely perfectly after being eliminated? Amazing with what she must have been feeling right then. A real superstar in the making.

Hermione69

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just to jump into the "watch this space" versus "watch this face" debate, I am hard of hearing (therefore not necessarily the best judge of the singing!) and leave the closed captioning on at all times. The captioning had "face" not "space," but either way I think Simon was saying that we have not seen the last of Tamyra. She is still going to be a star. She handled herself with grace and class last night. I was most impressed.

Yuhuru

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 05:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Avery, I also noticed that Nikki has a hard time carrying a tune.

While I was disappointed and surprised that Tamyra was eliminated last week, I didn't think she would win. I wanted her to. The "best" talent doesn't usually when these sort of things because it's very subjective (basically, people watching don't like the same things). Oh well. I was hoping to see Kelly and Tamyra really battle it out. We really would have heard some great singing.

I think there's something to the new viewer thing, but I think that the recent press regarding the voting has promted people to not vote. I person close to me who is a BIG Tamyra fan decided not to vote after watching Entertainment Tonight when they discussed how the producers reminded the contestants that they could change the rules regarding voting if there was a phone problem(or something like that). Then there are also those articles regarding the dialing machines/computers etc. that can dial many times. I think that discouraged Tamyra's main supporters(black folks)'cause we really buy into conspiracies and had already prepared ourselves for her not to win. Anyway, as I mentioned the night before, Kelly and Tamyra are at risk because they are truly challenging their voices, and at this point if they are not perfect the viewers don't cut them any slack.

On ET they said for the next show 1 song will be picked by the judges to showcase the singer's range and the second song will be picked by the contestant. I think that will be interesting.

Whoami

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 05:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My closed captioning said "face" too. But then, this is the same CC that mentions "cereal killers." Or says, "doorbell rings" when there is really someone knocking at the door. Or then there was the news report that said employers in my area had the highest percentage of "pig roasts." It just happened to be on the tail end of something I was taping, so I had it on tape. Had to play it several times to figure out the anchor was saying "pay growths."

Sorry, got a bit OT there. Just laughing at some of the CC errors I've seen over the years, and realizing we can't totally trust it!

Kitt

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The CC is wrong... this Brit says Brit Simon said the very common Brit phrase "watch this space". Ask me what one of the American judges said and I might be wrong, but not with Simon .

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Watch this Space is, or at least was, common here in the US as well.. I listened carefully and it was space.

Yes the cc can be quite a hoot at times

The wink was the best!!

Littlebreeze

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It was sad to see Tamyra go, being edged out by Nikki and Justin. It's sad, and maybe unfair, but not shocking with all the variables thrown into the voting.

Kelly is just amazing. She absolutely blew me away with every performance. Her voice is pure yet comes belting out with hurricane force. You don't see Kellys coming and going in the music industry. She's quite unique and that's all the more refreshing. Her talent speaks for itself, loud and clear, like a beautiful bell. If Celine Dion found a spot, Kelly will most definitely find hers.

Tamyra's very good, has a beautiful voice, but she never blew me out of the water. She has a big talent but I didn't find anything unique in Tamyra, nothing that I don't see in many other artists already recording out there today.


Nikki has a great presence but her voice is lacking in ways that only backup singers and a rock band could cover, such as her inability to stay on key or extend a note without abruptly going dead flat. Give that girl the cover of a rock band and some backup singers and she'd bring the house down. If the likes of Janis Joplin and others could basically screech their way to superstardom, then Nikki can certainly sing her way there.

Justin has a pleasant voice but he hasn't shown any real range of talent. Not one of his performances has impressed me. His stage presence grates on my last nerve.

I would most definitely put down my money to see Kelly on stage or to purchase her CDs. Under the right circumstances, I might do the same with Tamyra or Kelly and the rock band. I wouldn't lay down a penny to see or hear Justin.

Those are my thoughts. I hope to see Kelly take this thing.

Kitt, Watch This Space is a common term used here in America too. It's an advertising catch phrase. I was in advertising for many years. It's a term used to catch the eye of the reader and get them to come back to that source at a later date. You'll see it used in newspapers, magazines, newsletters, web sites, etc.... watch this space for updates or watch this space for further news and info. One example is a roadside billboard that's in between uses, the last contract having run out and a new one hasn't been signed as yet. In the interim, on the blank white billboard are the words Watch This Space. I guess you could break it down to mean.... More To Come .... as in Simon talking about Tamyra, watch this girl, there's more to come.

Wilsonatmd

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 08:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok...Entertainment Tonight comfirmed this: Next week, one song is Judge's Choice and one song is Performer's Choice.

Muse

Thursday, August 22, 2002 - 11:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ooh, there's bound to be controversy next week. If someone performs the song selected by the judges badly, I'm sure that some fans will attack the judges. Kind of like Will on Pop Idol...wasn't he given a song that he felt wasn't suited to his voice?

It'll be interesting to see what the contestants choose for themselves.

Wcv63

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 12:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
WhoamI! I'm still laughing about "pig roasts"!!

I like the idea of the judges picking a song. I hope they are going to choose based on the right song for the right voice.

Still thinking this show would have been so much better with a Kelly/Tamyra final. They really are the two biggest talents to appear on that show.

Ariasmum

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Me too. I really enjoyed your post Whoami! Made me chuckle.

Whoami

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 08:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yea, the "pig roasts" one was one of the best I've seen. I was thinking, "dang, I gotta go find out which employer is having pig roasts in my area. Now that's taking care of your employees! And to have it a county-wide thing too!

We had a "funny errors in Closed Captioning" thread a while back (in General Discussions). Maybe we should do a new one.

Sorry, didn't mean to go OT here!

As for AI, I've really been enjoying the show. Sad to see Tamyra go, but she's gonna go much further on her own anyway. Am nervous for Kelly now. But, even if she does get eliminated, she will go far too.

Nikki and Justin could end up successful for a while. But, they are the two most likely to be "flash in the pans" like so many other pop idols out there.

Seamonkey

Friday, August 23, 2002 - 09:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think Nikki has the personality and edge to go far with the right audience for her, who I think will be more lasting than the type of audience who fall for Justin's smirk and hair tossing.

I do think Kelly and Tamyra will go far and I hope Kelly wins.

The judges choosing the songs.. I dunno.. so MANY of the critcisms have been based on "song selection" that it could be dicey.

And I'm crushed that we may not get to see Justin attempting a country song.. this morning while I was waking up, I was cracking up fantasizing about Justin trying some Johnny Cash songs, or Waylon or Willie or well.. just about anything really.

Hermione69

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I've actually never heard of the term "watch this space" so I took the "face" I saw on my CC at face value (no pun intended), but you guys are right, CC can be a joke sometimes!!! Cereal killers, that's a good one!

Anyway, like I said in my earlier post, I am not the best judge of singing, but even I felt like most of the nation seemed to feel-- that Tamyra, Kelly and Justin were most deserving of the final three (based on ALL their performances). I really thought it would come down to a Tamyra versus Kelly finale. I'm not sure how this happened with Tamyra going so soon. There are a lot of factors that could be involved as we all know. What saddens me more than seeing Tamyra eliminated is seeing people get ugly about it. We know we haven't seen the last of her either, so are we really mourning her departure? Tamyra handled it with so much class and I think some of us could take some lessons from her. I don't view the kids on AI quite the same way I view the contestants on BB or Survivor and other reality shows. I have more compassion for them for various reasons. Once we got to the final thirty, and especially the final ten, I felt like none of them would be there if the judges didn't see or hear something special.

Some of us like different sounds than others. I can listen to Whitney and Celine and think, "Wow!" but I don't own one CD by either of them because when it comes to what I want to bop along with when I drive to work, I'll take my Tom Petty any day. I may be hearing-challenegd, but I know I'm not alone in that!

MHO. Climbing off my soapbox now! LOL!

Eden

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seems to me the producers wanted people with different styles in the final. Tamyra's style was too much like Kelly and Kelly is obviously the better singer of the two. No way is Nicki even close to the singer that Tamyra is. Nicki has looks but she is a mediocre singer at best. LOTS of bad notes and I just don't think someone in the top three of a singing competition should be hitting as many sour notes as she does. I think her stage presence is tenuous and weak. She just doesn't have anything but looks that I can see. Must be lots of teenage guys calling in or the producers stepping in. No other way to explain her remaining.

Rissa

Saturday, August 24, 2002 - 07:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I admit to being biased because I felt (still feel) that Tamyra should be the one to walk away with first prize. That being said, I think the show should have adjusted the voting weeks ago to either 1) immediately shut down the scam voting that's happening and that they have made clear they KNEW was happening or 2) turned it back to the judges for the final 5. The idea of the show is to find an American Idol and it will be a huge joke if the worst of the final few wins because their fans are better at manipulating the voting process. I like Nikki and I don't even dislike Justin but PLEASE, they cannot compare to Tamyra and Kelly. We go through months of watching this show and then see a 2nd rater win? I will feel so cheated if that happens.

I am not bitter because Tamyra was voted out, I think her future is secured. I will be bitter at putting all this time into a show that knows it's being rigged and isn't lifting a finger to stop it.

Hermione69, I agree with your comments. There are plenty of singers out there that I have no interest in listening to but I can still appreciate the quality of their singing. Celine Dion has an incredible voice but you could not pay me enough to listen to her. LOL