Archive through September 28, 2002
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Archive through September 28, 2002
Hermione69 | Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 05:48 pm     Yeah, I've got my VCR set up and I'm ready! |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 06:14 am     This message board (which I'm not completely convinced is not staged and part of the show) has A LOT of information on it.....please check it out and we can discuss!! http://boards.netscape.com/nsboards/news/artlist.mbl?boardId=517974 |
Hermione69 | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 07:44 am     (which I'm not completely convinced is not staged and part of the show) I wondered that myself. Even if it is staged, it still may have some hints. I want to know the significance of that Ignatius guy. Did you catch that he was a BIBLE salesman at one point? Did you see the new article this morning in Pushtimes? It talks about the orange truck overturning. The driver said he was startled by the ghost of a fat, naked white man howling on the rooftop of Job's. The title for the episode is "The Color Of" which made me wonder if the oranges have something to do with this week's clue. The article says, "Blood oranges have burgundy flesh and thin skin that is usually tinged with red." The color of blood oranges... red. (So is the color of blood, sinister, eh?) |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:08 am     Yes, I did see the article at pushtimes. Have you read into the Sprint PCS connection or the Toyota commercials? WOW!! It's getting deeper and deeper. Thank Goodness there's someone else here - - I've read up on this site quite a bit and have found LOTS of clues....below are some snippets....(this just gets more and more interesting IMO)......read on The more I think about it, and tonights episode helped to finalize it. Martha is probably Jims step mother and Mary his step sister. His father had something to do with Push, not sure to what yet though. In the first episode, shadrach looked at Mary upon introduction and said "Any Relation" she said no, this is Jim...etc. Anyway. When you are in that situation, when introduced to a relative of a friend you ask the person involved not the one across from you. I say "Step" because it's easy to fake a father or keep a father from knowing, but it's fairly tricky to conceal a mother from someone. Not impossible, but unlikely. Prufrocks father had a duel life. Which seems to be important in Push. One last thing, comparing ep1 with now. Mary states "Life is a long walk uphill, so drop the rocks" (not verbatim but the same) She knows they are related. Another member here noted on the push map, a location called "Proof Rock" not to be over analytical, if you drop the rocks you find pruf. Or Proof. Perhaps she was telling him to find Proof, before he got himself in to deep." looked up enoch on dictionary.com and found similar meanings. I think I know-at least partially-how this fits in. I think that push, nevada represents hell. There have been a lot of hints and clues both on the show, enoch.com, & pushtimes.com that pointed to this conclusion. On the show, the fact that push is an extremely hot place is often mentioned. Then there was the scene with the elevator,which symbolized something to the affect of going to hell, you know down/underground. Then on enoch.com, every page has a picture at the top that shows flames, with a figure standing in them. I think that this figure is the dead casino owner. If you look closely at the pic right after a page loads, you will see a faint gray shadow on the left side walking down the road. something to think about: significance of religion, heaven, hell, and bible, oh yeah, enoch too. |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:22 am     If you're reading these yourself, I apologize, but I thought I'd post them to make it easier.... The Sprint Store in Push Webpage linked from the Push Nevada Chamber of Commerce is ACTIVE. It contains testimonials by Push residents who have Sprint PCS phones. The Push Toyota Webpage is active, also! Mickey Rourke sold his soul to Deniro, and then went to Hell via an elevator.(elevator in slowman's?)Rourke is in a Toyota commercial trying to get the driver to sell his soul for the car. Hmmm The Sprint Store in Push Webpage linked from the Push Nevada Chamber of Commerce is ACTIVE. It contains testimonials by Push residents who have Sprint PCS phones. The Push Toyota Webpage is active, also! C-7 = seven seas. Notice how all the streets in Push are named after bodies of water. Also, according to the Toyota of Push map, the small town of Push covers over 1,000 square miles. Thats roughly 36 miles by 36 miles. Also, Proof Rock is a place. The "Dogma" connection is obvious, re: fallen angels. Job could not be tempted by the devil to denounce God, no matter what afflictions he suffered. Job is referred to as an honest man several times. There is a connection with the Sprint commercial - driver cannot be tempted by the devil. Continuous use of Biblical names - Shadrach, Enoch, Silas, Caleb, Mary, Martha, Job. Martha annoints Jim's wounds with vinegar and water - NT reference to Mary and Martha caring for and annointing Christ. A "Martha" in Christian parlance is a woman who tends to the temporal needs of others. Martha in the show provides shelter, food and first aid. Mary from Sloman's is analagous to the Magdelene - fallen woman attracted to "good man". Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego could not be consumed in the fiery furnace because of their belief in God. FYI - In episode three, there is a statement in Spanish which is not translated - "la respuesta es naranja". Translates to "the answer is orange". Afleck speaks Spanish. BTW - Has anyone associated Jim A. Prufrock with ee cummings, "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock"? I can't find a copy. The radio station Jim is listening to appears to be 10.45. Any thoughts??? |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:51 am     Found at the Toyota and Sprint PCS links on the pushtimes website..... Legal Disclaimer Toyota of Push developed for the promotion of Push, Nevada does not exist. While these characters and testimonials are fictional, the depicted PCS Vision products and services are REAL and currently available from Sprint. For more information, visit www.sprintpcs.com. |
Micknrc | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:50 am     The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock is by T.S. Eliot (and yes, there is quite a bit of hell in it) S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse A persona che mai tornasse al mondo, Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse. Ma percioche giammai di questo fondo Non torno vivo alcun, s'i'odo il vero, Senza tema d'infamia ti rispondo. 1 Let us go then, you and I, 2 When the evening is spread out against the sky 3 Like a patient etherized upon a table; 4 Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets, 5 The muttering retreats 6 Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels 7 And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells: 8 Streets that follow like a tedious argument 9 Of insidious intent 10 To lead you to an overwhelming question ... 11 Oh, do not ask, "What is it?" 12 Let us go and make our visit. 13 In the room the women come and go 14 Talking of Michelangelo. 15 The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes, 16 The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes, 17 Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening, 18 Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains, 19 Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys, 20 Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap, 21 And seeing that it was a soft October night, 22 Curled once about the house, and fell asleep. 23 And indeed there will be time 24 For the yellow smoke that slides along the street, 25 Rubbing its back upon the window-panes; 26 There will be time, there will be time 27 To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet; 28 There will be time to murder and create, 29 And time for all the works and days of hands 30 That lift and drop a question on your plate; 31 Time for you and time for me, 32 And time yet for a hundred indecisions, 33 And for a hundred visions and revisions, 34 Before the taking of a toast and tea. 35 In the room the women come and go 36 Talking of Michelangelo. 37 And indeed there will be time 38 To wonder, "Do I dare?" and, "Do I dare?" 39 Time to turn back and descend the stair, 40 With a bald spot in the middle of my hair -- 41 (They will say: 'How his hair is growing thin!") 42 My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin, 43 My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin -- 44 (They will say: "But how his arms and legs are thin!") 45 Do I dare 46 Disturb the universe? 47 In a minute there is time 48 For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. 49 For I have known them all already, known them all: 50 Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, 51 I have measured out my life with coffee spoons; 52 I know the voices dying with a dying fall 53 Beneath the music from a farther room. 54 So how should I presume? 55 And I have known the eyes already, known them all-- 56 The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase, 57 And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin, 58 When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall, 59 Then how should I begin 60 To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways? 61 And how should I presume? 62 And I have known the arms already, known them all-- 63 Arms that are braceleted and white and bare 64 (But in the lamplight, downed with light brown hair!) 65 Is it perfume from a dress 66 That makes me so digress? 67 Arms that lie along a table, or wrap about a shawl. 68 And should I then presume? 69 And how should I begin? 70 Shall I say, I have gone at dusk through narrow streets 71 And watched the smoke that rises from the pipes 72 Of lonely men in shirt-sleeves, leaning out of windows? ... 73 I should have been a pair of ragged claws 74 Scuttling across the floors of silent seas. * * * * 75 And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so peacefully! 76 Smoothed by long fingers, 77 Asleep ... tired ... or it malingers, 78 Stretched on the floor, here beside you and me. 79 Should I, after tea and cakes and ices, 80 Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis? 81 But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed, 82 Though I have seen my head (grown slightly bald) brought in upon a platter, 83 I am no prophet -- and here's no great matter; 84 I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker, 85 And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker, 86 And in short, I was afraid. 87 And would it have been worth it, after all, 88 After the cups, the marmalade, the tea, 89 Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me, 90 Would it have been worth while, 91 To have bitten off the matter with a smile, 92 To have squeezed the universe into a ball 93 To roll it towards some overwhelming question, 94 To say: "I am Lazarus, come from the dead, 95 Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all" -- 96 If one, settling a pillow by her head 97 Should say: "That is not what I meant at all; 98 That is not it, at all." 99 And would it have been worth it, after all, 100 Would it have been worth while, 101 After the sunsets and the dooryards and the sprinkled streets, 102 After the novels, after the teacups, after the skirts that trail along the floor -- 103 And this, and so much more?-- 104 It is impossible to say just what I mean! 105 But as if a magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen: 106 Would it have been worth while 107 If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl, 108 And turning toward the window, should say: 109 "That is not it at all, 110 That is not what I meant, at all." 111 No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be; 112 Am an attendant lord, one that will do 113 To swell a progress, start a scene or two, 114 Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool, 115 Deferential, glad to be of use, 116 Politic, cautious, and meticulous; 117 Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; 118 At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-- 119 Almost, at times, the Fool. 120 I grow old ... I grow old ... 121 I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled. 122 Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach? 123 I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach. 124 I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. 125 I do not think that they will sing to me. 126 I have seen them riding seaward on the waves 127 Combing the white hair of the waves blown back 128 When the wind blows the water white and black. 129 We have lingered in the chambers of the sea 130 By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown 131 Till human voices wake us, and we drown. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTES Composition Date: February 1910 - July/August 1911. Form: irregularly rhyming. 1. The epigraph comes from the Inferno of Dante's Divine Comedy (XXVII, 61-66). Count Guido da Montefeltro, embodied in a flame, replies to Dante's question about his identity as one condemned for giving lying advice: "If I believed that my answer would be to someone who would ever return to earth, this flame would move no more, but because no one has ever returned alive from this gulf, if what I hear is true, I can reply with no fear of infamy." 3. etherized: anesthetized. 13-14. Michaelangelo: Italian painter, poet, and sculptor (1475-1564). 29. works and days: Hesiod's Works and Days, an 8th-century (B.C.) description of rural life. 42. morning coat: a formal coat with tail. 52. dying fall: love-sick Duke Orsino's opening line in Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, "That strain again! It had a dying fall" (I.i.1), referring to a piece of music. Cf. "Portrait of a Lady," line 122. 60. butt-ends: the discarded, unsmoked ends of cigarettes or cigars. 82. Herod gave John the Baptist's decapitated head to the dancer Salome as a reward (Mark 6.17-29; Matthew 14.3-11). 83. I am no prophet: Amos said, "I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit" (Amos 7.14), when commanded by King Amaziah of Bethel not to prophesy. 92. Cf. Andrew Marvell's "Let us roll all our strength, and all / Our sweetness, up into one ball" ("To his Coy Mistress"). 94. Lazarus: Jesus brought Lazarus, the brother of Mary and Martha, back from the dead by literally entering his tomb and bringing out the recently buried man alive (John 11.1-44). Jesus also tells a parable of how the poor man Lazarus went to heaven, and the rich man Dives to hell, and how Dives begged Abraham to send Lazarus back to warn his five brothers about damnation and was rebuked "if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead" (Luke 16.19-31). 101. sprinkled streets: necessary to keep the dust down. 105. a magic lantern: device that throws a magnified image of a picture on glass onto a white screen in a dark room. 111. Prince Hamlet: not Shakespeare's noble prince, who resisted the temptation to commit suicide in his "To be or not to be" speech (alluded to at line's end), but instead characters like Rosencrantz and Guildenstern (cf. 112-16), Polonius (cf. 117), and Osric (cf. 118). Ezra Pound wrote Harriet Monroe on Jan. 31, 1915: I dislike the paragraph about Hamlet, but it is an early and cherished bit and T.E. won't give it up, and as it is the only portion of the poem that most readers will like at first reading, I don't see that it will do much harm" (Letters of Ezra Pound 1907-1941, ed. D. D. Paige [London: Faber and Faber, 1951]: 92-93). 113. progress: the travelling of a royal prince through the English countryside, from stop to stop, together with wagons loaded with possessions, and with servants and courtiers. 117. high sentence: a phrase from Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, meaning "elevated, serious and moral thoughts expressed formally." 119. the Fool: Shakespeare's plays have several characters called "the Fool," including the king's loyal servant and critic in King Lear. 121. the bottoms of my trousers rolled: that is, with cuffs, a novelty in fashion. 122. Shall I part my hair behind?: an avant-garde, potentially shocking hair-style. 124. Cf. John Donne's "Song," with its "Teach me to hear mermaids singing." Arhtur Symons' The Symbolist Movement in Literature (London: Heinemann, 1899) quotes "El Desdichado" (`The Disinherited') by Gérard de Nerval (1808-55): "J'ai rêvé dans la grotte où nage la sirène" (`I have dreamed in the cave where the siren swims'; p. 37). |
Yankee_In_Ca | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:15 am     OK, so I saw the show last night for the first time. Had nary a clue what was going on, but was still intrigued the entire way through. For those who have been watching it, I have a question. Since I missed the first two episodes, will I be forever lost?? Is it worth continuing to watch, or will I never have an idea what's going on and what's a clue, etc., because I missed the first two episodes? |
Pottedplant | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:42 am     Yankee, I saw the first two episodes & I am still lost LOL |
Hermione69 | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:52 am     I picked on on T. S. Eliot's poem "The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock" from the start (I was an English major in college). If you look at Jim's nameplate on his desk, his middle initial is A. J. A. Prufrock. His father's name is Al. Prufrock (the poem) mentions Lazarus and there has been a lot of speculation that Silas is not dead. Speaking of Silas, when the show first came on, I thought about Silas Marner by George Eliot and it is about a man obsessed with money. Have you read it? Funny that the name "Eliot" is associated with both that story and the Prufrock poem? My brother and I both have been picking up on the biblical refernces, he more so than me. He told me the story about Shadrach and his brothers and how they won't burn. There is a part in the poem also where Prufrock sees his head upon the platter and my brother says Herod's head is brought in on a platter? I hope I am not getting this mixed up. I haven't sat down and organized all of what we have found yet. Thanks for the input on the Spanish quote that translates to "the answer is orange." I am deaf and really worried about missing out on auditory clues!! Thank you, thank you! I did notice that the Sprint and Toyota ads have active links. So does the Skate Park. You can also write to everyone in the personals and classifieds. They write back one time. "Mickey Rourke sold his soul to Deniro, and then went to Hell via an elevator.(elevator in slowman's?)Rourke is in a Toyota commercial trying to get the driver to sell his soul for the car." Where does the first part of that come from? I saw the commercial. Did not recogonize it as being Mickey Rourke. Last thing, thanks also for the Proof Rock place on the map. Where can I finda download or picture of the map? My brother and both commented on Mary saying that about dropping the rocks. We both thought it was significant. I'm going to watch it again. I have a very bad sinus infection right now and was quite out of it when I watched last night. |
Hermione69 | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 11:54 am     Yankee, I think it would help if you could get a copy of the 1st two episodes, but by no means doesnot watching them exclude you from solving it. There is so much that has been posted online that if you just read up on what you missed, you;ll probably know just as much as the rest of us! |
Hermione69 | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:00 pm     Who, my brother thinks that Push is a government experiment in mind control. Think of how everyone does everything at the same time. Last night, there was a reference to water in a few places and someone on one of my message boards commented "must be something in the water." Then on pushtimes, one of the messages on the new message board asked, "Where does Push get its water?" Mind control through the water supply? I wanted to share something I picked up on with the mugs in episode 2. My perception was that there was huge emphasis on "mornings." Sunny Dupree comes on in the morning, she talked in her article on how mugs helped her get up. On her show she said, "Get your own 'Good Morning, Push' mug." Martha fussed at Jim for oversleeping. And Jim commented on the sheriff deputy's mug. It had her name on it-- Dawn. What do you think? |
Pamy | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:29 pm     OOOOHHH Good ideas Herm!!! I think you are on to something. Also the lady that runs the motel seemed upset that Jim didn't like coffee, but he would drink tea, both are made with water Anyone figure out clue#3 yet? |
Pamy | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:31 pm     What was the title of Ep 2? I know the clue was Television but can't remember the title |
Hermione69 | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:36 pm     The Black Box was the title. (Isn't this fun??) |
Pamy | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:53 pm     Thanks Herm!! It was driving me crazy!!!! It is fun, and keeps getting better!! |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 12:56 pm     Clue #3 is The Color of..... I'm thinking Blood. The Color of Blood. Also, I think that the fact that no one in push, nevada has filed there taxes in 17 years means that everyone in push is dead. This goes back to my theory that push is hell. Also, because it has been 17 years since anyone has paid taxes, I think this goes back to jim's dad's death. MAYBE push is sort-of 'frozen' in time if you will, 17 years ago. And, if the town is "frozen" in time, perhaps Mary is his mom, even tho Martha is the one acting 'motherly' toward him. More possible theories....Caleb isn't dead. He told Jim he was cautious and whiley. Just because he has odd fetishes regarding cold cuts and a weird temp thing doesn't mean he is stupid. He must have anticipated possibly being killed. Regarding the truck overturning when the driver saw a strange figure perched on the roof of the repair shop. "It was the ghost of a fat, naked, white guy," Mr. Sherman said, "Standing up there, just howling at the moon." this would fit the decsription of Caleb. plus, the truck was carrying 'blood oranges' and they happened to be caleb's favorite because the citris help keep him warm... coincidence? Also Caleb is from NJ originally. Water reference at Enoch's site regarding NJ water. The young daytime bartender seemed awfully jealous of Jim, could he be a brother? I have read that James was the brother of Jesus and that he was the priestly brother. YES!!! This IS fun!! |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 01:01 pm     Hermione asked about Ignatius....here's some info I found here..... http://www.pushdiner.com/guide/people.html Obituary: Ignatius Henderson Mr. Ignatius Henderson, photographed wearing his Navy uniform in 1943, served as a Radio Operator (First Class) in the South Pacific. Ignatius Henderson, a former banker who spent the last 17 years of his life making significant cultural contributions to Push's Nevada Cactus Museum, died in his sleep at home on Wednesday night. He was 83. His doctor said that the cause of death was a stroke. The grandson of a Minnesota man who made his way to California in the 1849 gold rush, Mr. Henderson enjoyed a charmed childhood full of horseback riding and sailing. However, most of the family money was lost in the Stock Market Crash of 1929, and young Ignatius realized that he would have to make his own way in the world. Determined to carry on the family's entrepreneurial spirit, Mr. Henderson left his San Francisco home in 1938 with $25 in his pocket and his bouncy dog Bingo at his side. He sought his fortune in the then-young Nevada town of Las Vegas. Ignatius soon found work as a concrete mixer on the nearby Hoover Dam project. In later years, he would take friends and family out to the dam, and proudly point to the areas of concrete that he had mixed. After the dam's completion, Mr. Henderson returned to Las Vegas and sold Bibles door-to-door. Like most men of his generation, however, Mr. Henderson's plans were transformed by Pearl Harbor. As an expert sailor, Mr. Henderson joined the Navy and was sent to the South Pacific, where he served primarily in Indonesia. There he also made a name for himself among his crewmates for his quick wit and eating prowess. By the end of WWII, Mr. Henderson longed again for the warm, dry climate of Nevada, and he returned to Las Vegas. There he answered a classified ad for a job as a teller at the Central Nevada Savings & Loan in Push, and his life changed forever. At CNSL he met his wife, Sally, with whom he would remain married for 56 years. Mr. Henderson worked at CNSL for 38 years. He became the branch manager in 1965. When Mr. Henderson announced that he was going to retire, CNSL and the City of Push presented him with an engraved gold watch for both his dedication and his impeccable customer service. In retirement, however, Mr. Henderson quickly found that he preferred to stay busy. Upon Sally's suggestion, he began to volunteer at Push's new Nevada Cactus Museum. It was there that he discovered his visionary genius for arranging desert succulents. One day at the museum, Mr. Henderson remarked to a colleague that many of the cacti reminded him of U.S. Presidents. This acute perception drew the notice of the museum's Board of Trustees, which rewarded Mr. Henderson with an appointment to be curator of an exhibit organized around this theme. In 1986, the "Cacti of the American Presidents" exhibition became both an instant hit and a permanent installation. It also drew worldwide attention for the little desert museum. As curator of the museum's collection, Mr. Henderson dedicated his next eighteen years to acquiring Commander-in-Chief-esque cacti from throughout the Americas. In 1998, the museum finally built a new wing to house them: the Hall of Presidents. Just last week, Mr. Henderson proudly installed the museum's most recent acquisition, a Mammilaria Candida that looks remarkably like President George W. Bush. A memorial service will be held on Friday at Blackwell's Mortuary, followed by a reception at the Nevada Cactus Museum. Mr. Henderson is survived by his wife, Sally; daughter, Esther, of San Mateo, California; three grandchildren and one great-grandchild. |
Micknrc | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 01:07 pm     Hiya again, Hermione! English grad here, too. (I see you have my dream job...lol) Herod gives Salome (as a reward for her sexy dancing)John the Baptist's head on a platter. (hence the phrase...) Yankee: Try TWOP (televisionwithoutpity.com) for excellent (and hysterical) show summaries on all your favorite shows! |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 01:09 pm     More on Mary being his mother theory.... The Biblical Mary, mother of Jesus, also had a son named James. See: Matthew 13:55 He's just a carpenter's son, and we know Mary, his mother, and his brothers – James... Mark 6:3 Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James... Galatians. 1:19 And the only other apostle I met at that time was James, our Lord's brother. |
Hermione69 | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 01:15 pm     Definitely a lot of Bible references. Thanks, Micknrc. I knew Herod was in there somewhere! Interesting that Salome gets John's head as a reward for sexy dancing and then there is Sloman's slo-dance bar... Salome, Sloman, even sounds/looks a bit alike. Man, my head is spinning. I have all this stuff typed up on my computer that my brother and I came up with and now I have all this stuff to add from you guys. None of it is organized yet. I need to get it organized! I really like the Hell reference, too. Thanks, Who. |
Whowhere | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 01:22 pm     Your Welcome Hermione!! I'm just glad I'm not in this alone. For a while there I thought I was going to have to figure all this out on my own (fat chance!!) Also, I did want to say that I do like the government experiment theory....it could be that the govt. made a deal with the devil and hell is now located in Push, NV.???!!! WHO KNOWS???!! Yes, this is very confusing and FUN!! Can I just say that I give credit to Ben Affleck for coming up with this stuff.....can you imagine the time and energy they had to put in to all this?? We need some sort of an organizer to put all these pieces together. Very intriguing! I'm sticking with it.... |
Pamy | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:13 pm     I think the color is orange. Did you notice the title of this week was in orange and not in white as the last 2 were...also in the beginning there was a blk/wht sequence and the only color that stood out was the lighter, it looked orangy-yellow, I am still watching the video I will be back with more ideas....I love this! |
Hermione69 | Friday, September 27, 2002 - 08:29 pm     I'll post some more tomorrow. I'm really out of it from my sinus infection. That's pretty good that you caught the title being in orange. I'm still leaning towards it being the color of the oranges, which is red in this case as evident in the Push Times article.... BUt I haven't watched the show again, and I was pretty put of it last night also! I've had this sinus infection for three days. I don't know how I managed to string any coherent posts together earlier! |
Pamy | Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 11:23 am     There was so much orange in this episode that I wonder if it was to throw us off the real color(red, blood?) If you watch the color orange dominates in almost all scenes. Grace is wearing orange lipstick and nail polish, the fires(orangy-red), an agent drinking orange drink, the head guy eating an orange at the bar(almost like Robert Denero in Angel Heart, and he was the devil in that movie). The rules state clues can also be in commercials....the car commercial(it's the car that sponsered this episode) focused a lot of the orange street markings. During the episode in the lower left corner it has a circle(looks orange or red)says NOW Push, Nevada, I can't remember if last weeks circle was in that color, anyone have an old tape? Final bit of trivia..2 of the actors are from All my Children in the 80's...Will Cortlant and Benny Sago's daughter |
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