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Ketchuplover

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 07:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A girl from my town made it to Hollywood. I don't know if she's in the final 30. I just saw a story on the news. She didn't make it :( 2 of 3 liked her.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well I just watched the first episode on tape and am waiting to see the second..

Watching the Lakers until then.

I was totally cracking up.. what a good point about the some of the ones with the most terrible voices had the most attitude.. and it wasn't pretty attitude either.

I was really laughing out loud at times.. I'm sure there won't be the same humor after this, more kinda rooting for someone. I've enjoyed the seasons of Popstars that I've seen and have been pretty impressed by the talent and incredibly hard work they put into it.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ketchup, which one is she.. I'll watch for her if I know who to look for.

Ketchuplover

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 07:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tanya Fisher. I said she DID NOT make the final 30.

Seamonkey

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 08:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Isn't that decided in tonight's show? Starts in the next few minutes for me..

Even those who don't make it need someone looking for them :)

Wcv63

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 09:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
This show is going on my "do not miss" list. It is going to be on Tuesdays at 8pm CST.

Zorro didn't make it to the top 30 :( However, ALL the judges (including Simon) agreed that he has the most amazing personality. They almost seemed sad to send him off.

Two of my favs made it into the finals...don't know all their names yet but I intend to go to the website on Fox and do my homework.

I have to say that it seemed that their was a concensus among the judges that the curly haired guy is the best. Too bad they really didn't let us hear enough of his singing!

Oh...and the best part of all is that the audience gets to vote for the winners AND the call is TOLL FREE!!!!! GASP! What a novel concept....

hint...hint...BB...

Oregonfire

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I feel like I'm watching a particularly intense Fame episode..."Fame costs, and right here's where you start payin'...in sweat..."

I have a newfound respect for Paula Abdul. You go girl!

No favorites yet, but I kinda liked the this one girl who has a "Cowboy Junkies" thing going on, slow jazzy, melodic, on valium kind of singing. A lot of them have great voices, but I don't care for the mainly Celine Dion type vocals. (JMO)

Seamonkey

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
OK, Ketchup.. I guess I didn't find her. I thought they should have the grace to flash each name at least once.. but.. no.

No Zorro was out.

Some of my favs did make it.. I like the girl with the pinkish hair, hmm and several others very much and several of the guys too

Wow.. free calls? How nice!! Hopefully they limit the calls to one per phone line? Dang.. I don't have two any more :)

Was that curly haired guy the one who got screams and a standing ovation from the other contestants??

Anyway I quite agree that I like this show.

I kinda doubt that the winner is going to be the idol here in the US like it happened in Great Britain, but time will tell.

<Congrats, LAKERS!!! THREE-PEAT, four game sweep, most winning coach, highest score total for Shaq, three MVPs in three years, Shaq.. ohhh>

Mssilhouette

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That girl in white was already on pop stars..damn they need to start banning folks that were already on previous reality shows. I'm extremely sad that she actually made it into the final 30 and the black girl who was big but not that big didn't. Not the one with the large breasts but the other one who had an amazing voice.

The girl in white cannot..I repeat cannot sing and she really should not have made it.

The most amazing one was the guy with the curly hair...kinda like Justin Timberlake but taller. He sang "Get there if you can" That was am AMAZING Performace..so far my vote is for him and the kid with the deaf parents. But more for him.

I haven't picked any girls who are my favorite yet.

Muse

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Justin (curly haired kid) and Jim (I think it's Jim - the guy with the deaf parents) quite a bit. And I like the one girl who forgot the lyrics and got help from the audience. She has a good voice. I am a bit surprised that the judges didn't cut her because of her mistakes...I guess they were more willing to forgive people who admitted they screwed up.

With the rest, I'm having difficulty remembering who's who. There were several that I liked, but didn't catch their name, and/or forgot it. Too many names and faces. I'm sure I'll figure it out when they just feature a few at a time, though.

Oh, and I definitely dislike the two Popstars-rejectees who apparently enjoy dressing like skanks. They just need to go away. For good.

What's with the guy who got his eyebrows waxed? His comments about Randy's (that is the judge's name, right?) weight were just ridiculous. And Randy and Paula were *much* nicer to most of the contestants than Simon was, so I don't get why he decided to attack all three of them like he did. Not that he would've looked much better insulting Simon. Even if he thinks the judges made bad decisions and/or were too harsh on the people auditioning, it's immature and unprofessional to do what he did. He just looked silly. I was entertained, though, of course.

Woohoo on free voting!

Wcv63

Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 11:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey: "Was that curly haired guy the one who got screams and a standing ovation from the other contestants??"

Yes Seamonkey, one and the same! MsSil...if I am remembering correctly I believe the curly headed guy's name is Justin. Just checked and I believe he is Justin Guiarini.

Jenhavins I think the black haired guy is R.J. Helton.

Star spangled guy is A.J. Gil and the guy with the deaf parents is James Verraros.

I'm piecing together different snippets from different sources to get my info so I may be totally wrong though!

Wanted to add a link to a comprehensive fan review with names and cities where auditions took place. Very helpful!
http://www.mediafiends.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=3d07c4f5fb3fffff;act=ST;f=64;t=129

Jenhavins

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 05:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Wcv. I luv R.J. I just went to the fox to look up the contestants. They didn't show him very much, but he was in the 1st 15. I think he will shine later on since he is in the final 10 to perform. He walked in nervous on the first day and then belted out a song like he had been performing all his life. What a cutie!

I like James and the other guy who sang and everyone's mouths were open (come to think of it, I think mine was too). I also like the girl with the braids and the poof on top. Hmmmm...I need to go study some more and get my names down!

Imbewitched

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 06:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Seamonkey - I am so glad you got to see the first episode. Depends would have come in handy, huh?! LOL!!!

Mss - I'm with you re that Popstar girl. Enough already!!

I love the curly haired guy!! What a voice!! And there is something about his eyes that makes it hard to not take my eyes off him. Mesmerizing, that's the word I was looking for.

Madelane

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 07:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Muse I'm pretty sure the girl who forgot the lyrics and the audience helped her DID get cut. They were focusing on her in the one room while Jim was in the other room. She had a great voice so it wasn't clear which room was the CUT room but it ended up being hers.

Justin was the only original one and I'm telling you he's the idol. He was the only guy or girl not trying to sing like Christina Aguilera. I wonder if he can write songs too?

Max

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 08:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What little they showed of Justin's performance was amazing! He made Paul Abdul CRY with the way he delivered that song. He reminded me a little bit of Al Jarreau when he sang, more in the way he looked while delivering the song than anything else. His style is very much his own and he definitely has command over his voice and a strong stage presence. If he doesn't win this thing, it will be because he screws up majorly or drops out for some reason. Heck, even if he doesn't win, I bet we'll be seeing/hearing more of him. :)

I KNEW I recognized those two gals from somewhere. The ones described earlier as "skanky" (an apt description, IMHO). I just couldn't remember WHERE I'd seen them. I was amazed that the gal in the white (with the rhinestones stuck to her eyes) made the final 30. The only thing I can think is that by the time they got to that point, they were dealing with a whole pile of "maybe's" and didn't thing she was the worst. I thought her singing was bad.

Simon (the British judge) is HARSH and seems to revel in that fact. I realize the busines is hard and I don't fault him for being honest with these folks, but the steady stream of belittling comments was getting rather hard to listen to. I missed the first episode (watched The Mole and forgot to tape this) and I can only imagine how many rude comments he threw at some of the early rejects.

Anyway, it is interesting to watch and I'll be back for more! :)

Mssilhouette

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Simon was actually better this episode..the first one he was completely terrible. I know that's how judges are and the like but these are kids who are just starting. I'm all for telling them the truth but these are freaking 16-25 year olds, you can crush a spirit like that and there's no reason for it.

The other Randy? & Paula were better in breaking the bad news to the bad singers. Simon was just being harsh because he enjoyed it and obviously has MANY issues. Being a big jackA$$ is probably the first of many.

I don't think it was his personal job to step on people's dream. All that was required to tell those bad singers was..."Okay that was very bad and you need to get lessons you're not at a professional level yet...Thank you."

The first girl on the LA search, he ripped her apart and she was crying, it broke my heart to hear her say "Thank you" after he torn into her. She wasn't great but she could easily get better with some lessons. But for her to thank him for saying completely negative and harsh things about her was heartrenching. I personally wanted to punch him in the mouth.

Did anyone notice after he told the 2nd group they were being cut he raced outta there? I guess he didn't want to see the result of his work.

Well at least we won't have to deal with him anymore..now its up to us! And TOLL FREE which may or may not mean a fee. It could be one of those 800 at first then a charge to actually vote. We'll see, I'm still wary....I'm still feeling Big Brother vibes.

Max

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh and Simon's comment to the big gal with a great voice about how she just doesn't look like an American Idol and how if Aretha Franklin was in this competition as an unknown she'd never make it was just British crap, IMHO. I guess all he thinks they're doing is creating the next clone of Brittany Spears (ugh!) and that Americans are SO shallow in this age of MTV, that the way the video looks is more important than the sound coming out of the CD player.

Guess he's never heard of Queen Latifa, Jennifer Holliday, MissyD, and so on and so on. Voice and attitude go a LONG way in the music business.

We'll still see Simon as he rips people apart. Only difference is that he's "coaching" them now instead of eliminating them, right? At least that's the impression I got. I think between him and the Weakest Link gal, it's starting to look like the networks want Brits to play the "ugly" role.

Bananaclip

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Paula Abdul was sitting in for a co-host on Good Day Live today. She claims Simon says that there is some sexual tension between them which she is not seeing. She says there are plenty of out-takes of her beating up on him. They call them "Paula's greatest hits."

They also had Tameka on yesterday, the girl who was the first to tell Simon and Randy off. She sang again and talked more crap. It was funny.

Nashbag

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I was thinking that every one of the finalists, and even some of the kids passed up might do good if they get out of the "POP" category.

What i mean is - take the girl (names escape me) who was hunched in the bathroom crying. She has a good voice, but she is not THAT good enough to be a solo pop act. She would be great as a front woman for a rock band. she has the look. (Where would Gwen Stefani be if she wanted to be solo)

Justin reminded me of like a folksy, slow jam kind of sound, a la Jeff Buckley. If the pop thing does not work out, he could go a different route.

Obviously Zorro, would be great in a show on Broadway - preferably a musical.

All i am saying is they cannot ALL be american "Icons", so other avenues should be persued. It is not as if any of these pop stars today write their own music or anything - they are singing heads for the labels. If they do get to write their own songs, it is to appease them into getting out the next Diane Warren hit.

Many of them would also be great in an ensemble band, where there is no real front person. But even we know how that works out - there is ALWAYS one or two that end up leading the group, and the others are forced into the back ground.

As for saying that Aretha Franklin would not win this contest today - i guess i am the only one who agrees with Simon on that. In fact they ARE looking for a Britney Spears or a Ricky Martin, and I regret that girl would not have done very well.
It is a damn shame - but the truth none the less.

Simon is just a blow-hard that appears to rather enjoy telling these kids the no-holds-barred truth about the world that they live in, or are about to. (Frankly the audition part of this show would be DULL w/out him - and i dont know that I would have stay tuned in)

* all of the above IMHO

PS: what ever DID happen to the girls from "POPSTARS"? Do they still have a band together?

Jenhavins

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I seem to think that although Simon is brutal, this is a tv show and that kind of stuff holds the viewer. I enjoyed the entire show, but it seems that it is put in there for harshness and the public viewing.

Seamonkey

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes.. I have to agree, Simon is brutal, but he's honest. And I gather he was chosen to be like he was (or someone was) on a successful British show that is now being tried here..

I didn't care for him. The other two judges WERE kinder but they did their share of eye rolling, snickering, mocking, etc.. and that had to hurt too. And for some who were clearly tone deaf or hopeless, it really isn't kind to encourage them to "just keep working and you'll make it one day".


Aretha Franklin is not a "Pop Idol" she's a diva and a goddess and a notable singer.

And for those with talent but just not within the parameters of "pop idol" they got national exposure and may well find someone who IS looking for their type. Like wouldn't it be cool for that one girl if Aretha took an interest? I suspect she'd say.. "Girl, get to a hair stylist and lose the stud" but might be able to give her lots of pointers.

Puttergirl

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that Simon is brutal, but he did provide most of the laughs (other than those provided by the singers themselves). Most of us don't want to admit it, but we do tend to enjoy laughing at others misery.

Oregonfire

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Many famous musicans have unique voices that might've gotten them booted out of this competition--I'm thinking Neil Young, Lou Reed, Bob Dylan (he was a bit better when he was younger, but not much), even Kurt Kobain didn't/don't have traditionally "good" voices. And what about Madonna? A great performer, but marginal singing ability.

I actually find eight-octave grandstanding to be kind of annoying. That kind of talent, IMO, tends to be genetic. It can be enhanced through vocal lessons or lost through hard living, but there is no way to "create" an incredible range. Well, I guess that's the point of the show!

Babyruth

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree with your point about unusual voices. Let's not forget Tom Waits...

Puttergirl

Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just saw this on Yahoo- describing the rest of the show. It sounds very interesting at the end:

The top three vote-getters in each of the next three weeks will advance, and will be joined by a
wild-card candidate brought back by the judges, bringing the total to 10 finalists. Those 10 will then engage in a "Survivor"-like competition, with viewers deciding each week who gets the boot until the last remaining person gets a multimillion- dollar recording contract.