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Zules
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08-21-2000

Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:42 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Spunky, <il>, I answered it in a simplistic form, as I said, to avoid arguement.

I agree with both you and Tishala, if you are serious about seeking more knowledge on the subject, go elsewhere. There are plenty of sources out there where you could do research <il>.

Bobbie_552001
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03-26-2003

Monday, March 08, 2004 - 9:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I saw the movie last evening...and it touched me very deeply. All of the sciptures that I memorized as a child, and read as an adult have taken on a different light. The turmoil that Mary went through as a mother...all the political conflict...IMO Mel Gibson gave us all a very special gift with this movie. If you have the chance...please see it.

Carrie92
Member

09-15-2003

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 10:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just saw the movie tonight.

I am still stunned, but I will try to give my thoughts.
I am glad that I didn't pay attention to any of the media "hype". I say "hype" in quotations because I feel like this movie is getting far less hype by Mel Gibson than by various idealogues with their own agendas.

I heard some say it was too violent. I feel like it was violent enough and yet not enough if that makes any sense. It could have been worse, yet it was enough to impact the audience beyond what most viewers have been desensitized to.

Anti-semitic? Anti-Roman? Clearly anyone who came away feeling like that went in feeling like that. There were several characterizations to the contrary.

As for it being some Catholicized version of the events that happened, that is also not true, IMO. As a former Catholic/practicing Christian, I have a tendency to look for the Catholic "spin" and found none here.
The depiction of Mary in this film was of a mother, nothing more.

This movie was fascinating. You knew what was going to happen, and really felt it when it did.

I loved the flashbacks, in particular, the one where it flashed back to Jesus' teaching about love. Love your neighbors, love your enemies. I thought, how can we not? How DARE we not? Look what He did for us, and yet we fight, gossip, curse, and judge each other.

The biggest feeling I had through the movie and afterward, was that I am not worth all that He endured for me!

For those who saw the movie and did not get the message, I ask you to please see it again and not as a film critic, historian, or as a person of any race, color or religion.
Just see it as a human.

For those who have posted here and do not plan to see the movie, I wish you would see it before you comment on it. This isn't a movie with any agenda, other than forgiveness. And it isn't a movie. It's an experience.

Just wanted to share my personal thoughts, but GAL's review in the previous folder is a must-read! Excellent job, GAL!}

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Sunday, March 14, 2004 - 10:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What carrie92 said :-)

Wendo
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08-07-2000

Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 7:53 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Carrie92 said, "Anti-semitic? Anti-Roman? Clearly anyone who came away feeling like that went in feeling like that."

I disagree with this assumption. I did not go into this movie feeling it was Anti-semetic or anything else for that matter. However, I felt that there were several scenes that could be used to fuel anti-semetism.

As far as "not getting the message" and seeing the movie "as a human", I again disagree with this assumption. I am a human being. I saw it as a human being. I just don't feel it is as great a movie as some people feel it is. Just because someone doesn't like the movie doesn't make them less human as your statement implies.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 8:11 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
A good friend of mine is a Roman Catholic priest and he walked out. He hated the movie. It is just a movie in the end and either you like it or you dont. It is nice that Mel Gibson is going to make 350 million with it, lets see if he donates any of the proceeds.

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 12:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I saw it too, and I felt it was far more violent than necessary. When people are looking away because they can't tolerate it, it's overdone in my opinion. Not to mention the fact that since the movie is subtitled, when you look away from the violence, you don't get any understandable dialogue either.

I also disagree that this is not a Catholic movie. Much of the material in the movie is not taken from the gospels; but rather is taken from a book by a Catholic Mystic, Anne Catherine Emmerich - who claims to have been given "visions" by God of Christ's torment. She wrote these visions in a book called the Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

The vast majority of the non-scriptural material was taken from this book: including the scenes of Claudia, Mary wiping up the blood of Jesus, the crow and the thief, the demonic children, the encounter between Satan and Jesus in the garden. It's available on line, and it's quite astounding to me that the book wasn't given credit in Mel's movie; and that the connection hasn't been publicized.

I was also raised Catholic, and the Catholic emphasis on Christ's suffering, and the similarity to the Stations of the Cross was quite evident.

However, I do agree that the message of loving your enemies stood out for me; and I'm surprised that more people haven't mentioned it. The vast majority of the folks that I've talked to have emphasized what "Christ did for me"; and not the example Jesus set in his radical forgiveness for those that persecuted him. I guess it's easier to think about what was done for us, than it must be to think of how it implies that we should be treating others.

Just my thoughts....

Bigd
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09-13-2001

Friday, March 19, 2004 - 6:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
What is wrong with making a boat-load of money from the making of this movie??? How would donating proceeds from it further the message? Wouldn't people be just a suspicious of his motives if he did?

Ophiliasgrandma
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09-04-2001

Friday, March 19, 2004 - 7:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have a good feeling that Gibson probably is very philanthropic and most likely tithes as well.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, March 19, 2004 - 8:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Nothing wrong at all with making a boat load of money. That is my point. I dont buy into this furthering a message purpose of the movie. It is just a movie and that is all it is. If it is more then it shouldn't be about making money and the 350 million could be used for marvellous, philanthropic purposes. If I were Mel, I would just pocket the cash and start on his next movie, maybe the life of mohammed, siva or Buddha.

Ketchuplover
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08-30-2000

Friday, March 19, 2004 - 8:59 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Siva?

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, March 19, 2004 - 9:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I imagine she meant Shiva. :-)

I have no problem with Mel making money, except that he claims the movie as an evangelistic tool. yes, the two goals seem to be at cross purposes to me.

Babyruth
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07-19-2001

Friday, March 19, 2004 - 10:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ughhh! on that pun, Kar...

Karuuna
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08-31-2000

Friday, March 19, 2004 - 10:29 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
hehehe, BR, it was completely unintentional...

Um, is that thunder i hear?....

Whoami
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08-03-2001

Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 2:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
lightning

Fanny
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09-13-2000

Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 2:28 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
siva = tivo?

Maris
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03-28-2002

Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 4:57 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Actually I did mean to spell it Siva, who was the indian god of Chaos, destruction and rebirth. I have always spelled it Siva as that is the way I was taught to spell it. It can also be spelled Shiva. Like many deitys there can be variations on spellings.

Hippyt
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09-10-2001

Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 5:05 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Check this out.
'Passion of Christ' moves
man to confess killing 'suicide' victim
By ERIC HANSON
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

Fort Bend County
Sheriff's Department
Arrested: Dan R. Leach
RICHMOND -- Detectives say the death of a 19-year-old woman originally ruled a suicide has turned into a murder case after a repentant man who'd watched The Passion of the Christ confessed to killing her because she was carrying his child.

Fort Bend County Sheriff's Detective Mike Kubricht said today that investigators thought Ashley Nicole Wilson had hanged herself in January. Earlier this month, however, 21-year-old Dan R. Leach of Rosenberg turned himself in after watching Mel Gibson's controversial movie about the last hours of Christ's life and Leach decided to seek redemption, Kubricht said.

The young woman's body was found by her mother Jan. 19 in her Richmond-area apartment. The Harris County Medical Examiner ruled her death a suicide caused by asphyxia due to external compression with a ligature.

Then, on March 7, Leach, who had known the victim for many years, walked into the Fort Bend County Sheriff's Department headquarters and confessed to killing her. RESOURCES
• Read the indictment against Dan Randall Leach II

Kubricht said Leach told investigators he carefully planned the killing to make it look like a suicide. The suspect allegedly strangled Wilson because he did not want to raise her unborn child or be involved with her anymore, Kubricht said.

A grand jury indicted Leach Monday and he was arrested the next day. He is being held on $100,000 bond.

Melfie1222
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07-29-2002

Friday, March 26, 2004 - 10:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Miracles of the Passion

Zeno39
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11-09-2002

Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 4:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am so sick of people blaming things or others as the reason for their murderous intentions. You cannot blame a movie for your killing someone. That is nothing but a copout. Anyone who kills, rapes, or commits any crime is sick in the head and no movie, tv show or anything else can be the cause. The person has to been mentally ill to begin with to commit an atrocious crime. I firmly believe this.

Jbean
Member

01-05-2002

Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 7:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
zeno, my interpretation of that article (which could be wrong, no doubt), was not that the guy blamed the movie for killing the woman, but that after watching the movie, he wanted repentance and confessed to the murder. sick is right. glad he confessed, one less murderer off the streets is always a good thing.

Bluebug
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01-05-2004

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 8:49 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Here is how I see things. I 100% believe that both Mel Gibson and the movie are NOT anti-semetic. Although I am not a religious person it is clear Mel is and although not all religious people are good people I believe he has good convictions and would not discriminate against anyone. Some people got an early edition of the script, decided it was anti-semetic, and sent him a 26 page transcript of how he must change his movie.If he did have a prejudice he would have made no change whatsoever to his movie. Also, I do not agree with people telling him to change what he did. With that said, I must now say why I don't like the movie. As I have said I am not a religious person and maybe it's because of that but I don't find somone being tortured for 2 hours a good movie. If christ was real than I don't dispute he went through extreme pain, but everyone knows that. You don't need to show a mans flesh beeing hammered to wood and watch his skin fall off as the nails drag at his body for three hours. It is a horrible thing to have happen to a man but that dosen't mean a person has to watch it in excrutiating detail. I also believe it is sick to expose it to children. Now it would be a horrible thing to do. Why would anyone feel the urge to show a young child some thing so horrible. Now I know kids who have been around adults all their life and might as well be in their twenties instead of their teens, and they MIGHT be able to handle it but most children can not. Aside from that, I find it hard to believe that an adult could find anything redeeming in a movie about somone who was tortured to death. I also believe that some people who enjoyed the movie would not enjoy seeing a movie where some other normal guy is stabbed,bludgened, and then bled to death.In fact, I think they would say the movie was made in poor taste. I know some would say that it shows how Jesus suffered for us, but is there really a difference between that and a movie like Kill Bill,Pulp Fiction, Or some other violent movie? Personally I liked Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction and I know some who didn't and loved The Passion. I dont think Kill Bill or Pulp Fiction have nearly the same amount of violence. The Passion has alot more. Although I believe Mel Gibson is a nice guy, I do not like his movie.

Bluebug
Member

01-05-2004

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 9:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think everyone should see the south park episode about The Passion.

Bluebug
Member

01-05-2004

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 9:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Woops. Sorry. Posted twice by accident.

Bluebug
Member

01-05-2004

Monday, April 12, 2004 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Or not. Guess my computer is fritzzing.