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Hermione69

Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 2:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This thread is for talking about anything up to Chapter 25. Please be careful not to talk about anything that happens after Chapter 25. Please be careful not to let any slips happen to people who use the New Messages feature also by putting key plot happenings at the beginning of a post.

I have not read these pages yet, I'm just setting up the threads! :) See you in about 5 hours!

Schoolmarm

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 3:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've finished the book, so I'll post in the ending thread.

I am glad to see that Neville is getting some self confidence in this book!

Harry is rather annoying and filled with angst.

Weenerlobo

Monday, June 23, 2003 - 5:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I've finished it too! I think my eyes are crossed, but I couldn't put it down all weekend.

Schoolmarm - I thought Harry was annoying too, but most 15 year old boys certainly can be. I guess a touch of realism won't hurt Harry.

I'll check back and see if there's anyone else who finished the book and would like to discuss the whole thing.

Oooops! In my haste to gab I didn't see the other thread for discussing the whole book. SORRY!

Jkm

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 6:30 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
sigh -- still in this range -- Two books 2 kids 2 adults -- guess who's beening the good parent and NOT swiping the books from the kids -- well it's not my dh..... Should get further tonight -- Oldest finished it day before yesterday -- dh finished it about 11:30 last night -- being the good mom -- trying to stay behind the youngest (she's never made it to the end of the Harry Potter books before giving up or getting permantely distracted - she'd rather be out running around like a tom boy than with her nose stuck in a book -- part of why we have all of them on cd. Last night she had 173 pages left.

Crazydog

Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 8:10 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK, question. Those ghost-horse things that pull the carriages? When Harry first sees them on the first day of school, he is wondering why he had never seen them before.

When Hagrid brings the students to the woods to see them, we find out that the only people who can see them are people who have "seen death". I am not sure if that means they have seen someone die or if they have almost been killed themselves.

I figured that Harry had seen Cedric die in Book 4, which is why he can now see these horse things. But why wouldn't he have seen them before? He had seen his parents die and had almost been killed by Voldemort in each book. Maybe it only "counts" if you remember what you saw, and he was just a baby. I don't have my old books handy, but I thought that Harry still had vague recollections of being attacked as a baby, with the green light and everything.

Calamity

Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 8:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Crazydog: Yeah that kinda confused me too. (Not to mention that this bit of info might also give Rissa more ammunition for her "Should we believe every word Rowling writes?" argument .)

I did find this...In her reading at the Royal Albert Hall, JKR explained that it is the psychological impact of death that makes it possible to see thestrals-- the loss of innocence. It takes understanding of death, not just experiencing it, to make it possible. That's why Harry couldn't see them because of his parents-- he was too young to understand. And why he still couldn't see them at the end of GoF-- he hadn't yet comprehended Cedric's death.

To that I would add that Harry passed out before Quirrell died and Fawkes' bursting into flame was not a true and final death. And now this leads me to a question about the death in OotP but I can't post that in this thread!

I thought the thestrals were a brilliant idea.

Calamity

Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 2:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
BTW, here's the excerpt from the chat re: the Thestrals. While I was reading OotP, I had looked them up in 'Fantastic Beasts' but didn't see an entry for them. I'll have to check again later.

Stephen Fry (gets handed an e-mail):
This is from a Jessica Wells, originally from Australia, now living in London and this is her question: Harry saw his parents die, so why hasn't he been able to see the Thestrals before?

JK Rowling:
At the end of Goblet of Fire, we sent Harry home more depressed than he had ever been leaving Hogwarts. Now I knew that the Thestrals were coming and I can prove that because they are in the book that I produced for comic relief, "Fantastic Beasts and where to find them" These unlucky black winged horses. However if Harry had seen them then and we hadn't explained them then, I thought that would be rather a cheat on the reader in that Harry suddenly sees these monsters but we don't go anywhere with them, so to explain to myself I said that you had to have seen the death and allowed it to sink in a little bit before slowly these creatures became solid in front of you, so that's how I am going to sneak past that one.


Crazydog

Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 2:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Calamity! Glad to know that there were others who thought the same as I did.