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Hermione69

Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
This thread is for talking about the first 13 chapters of OotP. Please be very careful not to talk about things that happen after that. I will create a new thread for later chapters, but I wanted this so people can come in and share their reactions to what they have read up to this point without ruining any surprises later in the book. This is just about 1/3 of the way through and I thought breaking the discussion into 3 threads would be a good way. Three is supposed to be a magical number, after all!

My reactions so far-- When Molly tried to tackle the Boggart, and it took on the shapes of her dead loved ones, I had a horrible sense of foreboding, especially because Ron was the one lying on the floor dead when Harry walked in. I am very nervous about who is going to die and I don't want it to be Ron!!

I want to know where the heck Hagrid is!!

That Umbridge woman is truly despicable. I am very curious about Harry's scar hurting when she touched him.

Why won't Dumbledore communicate with Harry???

Harry is going through A LOT of teenage angst, bless his heart. He feels more alone right now than ever, with Ron and Hermione being prefects and Sirius acting so surly.

I cannot believe that DRACO is a prefect! Good heavens above! How scary is that????

Aunt Petunia may very well know more than she is letting on!!! She knew about dementors!

I am not at all surprised about Percy and wonder how he is going to save face when the truth comes out that his parents were right. I said he would never go to the dark side because he would never break any rules, but sometimes that much inflexibility can lead you down dark roads.

Well, that's it for now.

Oh, if you post here, you may want to think about the new message feature and not letting anything slip through that either. Once you find out who is dead, for example, don't post it flat out. Many people here are planning to read this book and not everyone will read it through it that quickly. It could disappoint a lot of people to let key plot points slip that way. :)

Jadarville

Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 6:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
what a great idea Hermione. I got the book last night and am about half through it already. I love it and have been totally gloating to my son that I get to read it first since he is away for the summer. The Whole Dumbledore attitude is very puzzling. Percy is such a tight @$$ he must squeak when he walks. Fred and George are a little scary with all their inventions! Ginny's character has really developed imo. I keep thinking of the obvious people who might have died, like Hagrid since he's not there, but then I think, no it can't be That obvious. Ok, I'm going back to it so I can find out :>

Schoolmarm

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 3:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
We go for a REALLY LONG time without any significant SNAPE action.

Neko

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 3:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
ACK..new messages..Hi guys! Stop reading.....I said stop...LOL

Narcissa??
Black??

*Throws up*

This is where I say, THANK GOSH, that Harry isn't actually realted to Sirius..

Or then, he'd be *ick* related to MALFOY!!
*Shudders to think about it*

And the Howler...and Aunt Petunia's knowledge about about the Dementors..
Well, well, well...I knew she must have known something...

And Harry, he's so angry, and I do guess he has good reason, but he's going to lose his friends if he kepts venting on them...

And Ron...Prefect??
Wonderful, LOL
EVERYONE, thought it was going to be Harry and Hermione..
The fanfiction writers...myself..

Hehehe...

"Albus Pervival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore."
*blinks*
Brian??

And "AW CRAP" about Umbridge..
Bad vides about her...
VERY bad vibes..

Abby7

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 4:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
In another thread (spoilers) Tashakinz posted "typo-gaff Page 169". Does anyone know what that post is referring to? I can't find anything wrong (unless number of prefects?). Tashakinz didn't post anymore about the typo-gaff (what it was).

Hermione69

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 4:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm not sure either. On page 169, Molly said there were four in the family now-- that would be Bill, Charlie, Percy and Ron. Earlier Molly had said, "Everyone in the family" and Fred and George were like, "What are we? Next door neighbors?"

So that can't have been the typo because that adds up right. Whether you say "four" or "everyone eligible minus Fred and George" (Ginny is too young) it is four Weasley children that have been made prefects.

Tasha'll pop back up and explain, I'm sure. Just keep hollering for her. TASHA!!! TASHA!!!!

:)

Abby7

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 4:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Hermione: I figured there were four too. (That comment of the twin was so funny).

"Tasha, Tasha, tasha...."

Hermione69

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 5:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Abby, the twins are great! I love how they keep apparating and disapparating at Sirius's. And their Extendable Ears are a hoot!

Neko, I laughed at "Brian" as part of Dumbledore's name, too. I wonder if there is a story there, LOL!

Neko

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 10:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It was just so wierd to ahve all these ecentric names then suddenly "Brian" popped in.
LOL

Tashakinz

Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:02 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
lol Neko & Hermione - my eyebrows went up at "Brian" as well.

As for the (potential - please correct me if I'm wrong) typo - Bill was a prefect & head boy, Percy was a prefect & head boy. I can't find any references to Charlie being either. So where does Mrs. Weasley get "four" from??? I always figured the boys were in two groups, the prefects & the quiddich players because before Harry the last time Griffindor won the quiddich cup was back when Charlie was still in school. Anyone??

Tashakinz

Monday, June 23, 2003 - 1:22 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay - here's another one to think about - in SS, doesn't Hagrid tell Harry to give the owl that delivered the Daily Prophet 5 knuts?? On page 225, Hermione gives the owl "a knut"...student discount or oops??

Very next paragraph "It's best to know what the enemy ARE saying" - call me crazy - but shouldn't that ie "what the enemy IS saying"??? Is this a British/American thing or just bad grammar??

Crazydog

Monday, June 23, 2003 - 2:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Enemy.... she could be using enemy in the plural. As in "multiple enemies". If you say "what the enemy is saying" it implies one enemy or at the least a group of enemies working together. When she is saying "what the enemy are saying" it makes is sound like to me that there is a whole host of enemies out there, all of whom want to get them. Doesn't look right to me but I suppose it arguably could be correct.

Sage

Monday, June 23, 2003 - 9:36 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm starting on chapter 18, and I got the very distinct feeling the first time Umbridge was introduced during the trial, that 'she' was Voldemort. I dunno, but I just have that feeling. I could be way off, and will find out soon enough I hope.

I had the same reaction about Brian being part of Dumbledore's name. LOL.

Abby7

Monday, June 23, 2003 - 10:51 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
My old HP books are in storage right now, so I can't check some facts.

Regarding the Weasley's and how many prefects in the family, does anyone know if Mr. and/or Mr. Weasley could have possibly been a prefect? (this might be a silly question, I don't know).

Jkm

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:40 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Let's see - we have two copies of the book - daughter one is now in the last chapter, daughter 2 is on chapter 26 -- dad (who has swiped daughter 2 book often) chapter 25, mom - well -- i'm only at chapter 18.

Poor Harry - dealing with Voldermort coming back to life, dueling him, Cedric dying -- all to go right back to the Dursley's!!!

What did his cousin see when the dementor's were on him???? Food chasing him??

Who was that letter from to Aunt Petunia -- maybe Mrs Figg? or maybe Voldemort??

Nice try by Fudge to make Harry and Dumbledore miss Harry's hearing.

I was very surprised how interrelated all the pure families are.... Sirus and Malfoy related.ugh

Why won't Dumbledore even look at Harry? Sirus must be going bonkers - he's more trapped than when he was at Azcaban.

Unbridge is truely horrible -- if I didn't want to know what happens so bad - i would quit reading because of this character!

Poor Ron - he's trying so hard to be his own person - but he is happy yet full of guilt all the time.

Jkm

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And what do you think is up with that weirdo house elf???

Yankee_In_Ca

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 2:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Abby, I thought the same thing.

Crazydog

Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am only on Chapter 12, but my first thought was that the Howler letter that Petunia received was somehow from her late sister, Harry's mother.

Twiggyish

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 9:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
We were out of town a few days, which gave me an opportunity to read.

I had a post a while ago about Aunt Petunia maybe having magical powers (a conjecture)..ANYWHO.. I was floored to read that AP knew about Dementers. Her sister was a witch! Who knows?

Mrs. Figg was a surprise. It was nice to know Harry had a witness to the incident.

I've had a bad feeling about Fudge from the beginning. His sickly sweet (like real fudge) attitude towards Harry was always suspicious. His true colors are now showing.

Umbridge is a contrast. On the one hand, she speaks with a high voice and wears pink cardigans..yet, she's a twisted evil woman. I have a feeling she is actually someone else..just a thought on that one. (agreeing with Sage)

Yes, I was surprised at Sirius's relationship with the Draco's and the Weasley's. I wonder if he isn't also related to Harry's father's family which is NEVER mentioned.


Where has Dumbledore been after Harry arrived at Hogwarts? We see him at functions, but he isn't seen anywhere else. Why is he allowing Umbridge full reign?

Allietex

Thursday, June 26, 2003 - 11:20 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tash, enemy is a collective noun and when it refers to more than one it would take the plural case. It is kind of like fish, deer, or sheep. You could use the singular or the plural forms depending on how many the noun is referring to. I think this is the explanation.

Crazydog

Monday, June 30, 2003 - 6:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK, so I figured out that "O.W.L." stands for "Ordinary Wizarding Level". But what does "N.E.W.T." stand for? Or is that something we learn later in the book? (I'm only about halfway through.) If I had to make it up, I'd say it meant "next examination wizarding test".

Tashakinz

Monday, June 30, 2003 - 8:09 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Crazy - I think you'll find the definition of n.e.w.t. in PoA - Percy was studying for them. It's something like nastily exhausting wizarding tests.