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Djgirl5235

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 8:08 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
You are now officially a "Potterhead", Lycanthrope, and in great company!!! Welcome to the club!

Lycanthrope

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 7:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, glad to be with ya...

Hermione69

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 - 11:51 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lycanthrope, I have been meaning to come in and welcome you to the club! I enjoyed reading your post. I think discussion has slacked off a bit because we talked ourselves out for awhile there, but hopefully it will pick back up again before the new book. I like your theory about the Order of the Phoenix. I also agree that Cho will not be able to be with Harry because of the association of Cedric's death with him. I think Ginny and Harry will hook up, but not until much later.

Lycanthrope

Wednesday, May 14, 2003 - 8:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Hermi.

And I think I made a mistake with the name Fleury, which I think is supposed to be Fleur. My apologies. The books aren't in my posession, so I can't spell/name check.

Harry and Ginny, eh? It could happen. But I think you're right that it probably won't be for a while because Harry is going to have his hands full with other concerns for the time being.

Faerygdds

Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 3:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Whew: took me a long time to get through all this... very good stuff in here... I can't believe I never checked in this section before, but now I have it in my favorite places, so I will not miss a beat again...

Another catch up post:
Hermoine said: Snape's animosity towards Harry goes very deep. I think there is more to this story than what came out in PoA.

I'm one of those people who think Snape was in Love with Lily. I also think that Harry's and Lily's eyes have something to do with it. For some reason I get the idea that when he looks into Harry's eyes, he sees Lily and wants to protect him. Then he sees Harry's face and hair which are decidedly James and feels anger and resentment. This leads me to believe that James and Snape once fought over the heart of Lily. James won, and Snape has been bitter ever since. Just my theory.

She also said: My sister has hypothesized that Snape will die saving Harry's life towards the end of the series.

I don't know that he will die saving Harry, but my theory is that it has to come full circle. James once saved Snape's Life... and that's why Snape saved Harry in book 1 from the cursed broom. He repaid the debt. In my opinion, to come full cirle, Harry must also save Snape's life.

I also have some questions about the "Voldemort has Harry's blood and Harry has some of Voldemort's powers" thing. We know from CoS That Some of Voldemort's powers went into Harry when he gave him his scar. And Now Voldemort comes back and uses Harry's blood. OK... here's the thing. Harry should still have Voldemort's powers right??? So... what does a wizard have to do to get those powers OUT of Harry and back where they came from???

Hermione69

Saturday, May 17, 2003 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Faerygdds, welcome! I just got home and am very tired and have a bit of a sore throat. Since I want to do your post justice, I'm not going to try tackling it now because I don't think I can string many coherent thoughts together! I'll try to get back to you tomorrow, Monday at the latest. In the meantime, welcome to the club!!!

Calamity

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 3:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just wanted to wish a welcome to Lycanthrope and Faerygdds. Great thoughts from both of you :) .

Faerygdds

Monday, May 19, 2003 - 4:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks for the warm welcome guys. :)

It's nice to know that I'm not the only adult who is totally obsessed with this series.

Lycanthrope

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 7:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks, Calamity, 'preciate it.

Hermione69

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I am so behind in this thread. I just have a lot of other things on my mind. I'm sorry I never came back to your post, Faery. I just got finished rereading PoA and there were a couple of things I wanted to speculate on, mostly about Harry's Dad and his relationship with Dumbledore and Voldemort, but I always seem to peek in here when I am too tired to make sense!!

But I am always glad to see people post here! :)

Faerygdds

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 - 8:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
OK... well.. I'll forgive yout his time, but I really would like your reactions at SOME point.

Hubby and I just re-started PoA. We are at the chapter with the Boggart. I really want that scene in the movie, but alas, probably not... I admit.. I just want to see Snape from that scene... call it a guilty pleasure. After we finish that we'll move on to GoF and I will be back in here for more speculation.

Neko

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 4:37 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Of come on, they HAVE to have that scene!!
I know it didn't really have anything to do with the Sirius plot, which is probably the only one they'll follow for the movie...

But come on!!
Snape in a dress!!!
You have to have that..

Lycanthrope

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 5:40 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Totally agree with Neko :)

Faerygdds

Thursday, May 29, 2003 - 6:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm right there with you... I am DYING for that scene!!! I hope I pray it is in the movie...

I were reading last night and I just kept crying... It's the 2nd time I've read it and now that I know the ned... my perception of things is very different. I keep crying for Sirius -- because I know why the dementors don't affect him.

Mybbusername

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 5:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Faerygdds- Why dont the dementors affect Sirius? I looked around in previous posts but do not see anything that explains.

Neko

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 4:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He's crazy??
Or he works for Voldemort??

Faerygdds

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 6:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
NO... (and Oh God.. you guys are going to get me crying while I write this)

Sirus didn't really know why they didn't affect him. He supposed it was because he had no happines left in him after Lily and James were killed. But it was worse than that. The dementors bring all of your fears and traumas to the surface, right? So... they didn't affect Sirius because he was ALREADY in his own personal hell. He felt responsiible for thier deaths - he even says so. But moreover, I think he tortured himself about it. I think he thought of James and Lily whenever he changed into Padfoot in his cell in Azkaban and the misery and sorrow came flooding back.

The dementors, to put it quite simply, couldn't possibly torture Sirius more than he tortured HIMSELF!!!

Hermione69

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 8:06 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, looks like the post I FINALLY got around to making around noon today got lost in the board crash, LOL! Did anyone see it before it vanish??

Let me see if I can resurrect some of my thoughts.

About Sirius and the dementors... Sirius also said that it helped him to know he was innocent. He said that wasn't a happy thought, so the dementors couldn't suck it out of him, but it gave him strength nevertheless. Also his ability to transfigure into a dog helped him because the dementors were less attuned to animals.

Okay, what else did I say... Oh about the powers Harry has from Voldemort. Faery, you asked how he could get those out of him. I'm just not sure he would want to or if that would be a good idea. My feeling is that having dark powers will help him fight Voldemort later. I remember someone saying about Dumbledore and dark powers, "Just because he doesn't use them, doesn't mean he can't." I think maybe dark powers are necessary to fight evil.

I remember reading a quote once that God cannot be both All-Powerful and All-Good. That if God is All-Powerful, then he is not All-Good, and if he is All-Good, then he is not All-Powerful. That thought used to bother me a lot when I was examining my own beliefs, but it kind of helps explain what I am getting at here. Harry is more powerful with the touch of dark powers he has received from Voldemort. It may save his life one day, heck it may even save the world!!

As for Voldemort getting Harry's blood, my personal pet theory is that he can now never make himself immortal, and immortality is something he wants desperately. That would also explain the gleam of triumph in Dumbledore's eyes at the end of GoF when he heard that Voldemort got Harry's blood. It will contribute to Voldemort's undoing, one way or another, I think.

I love your theory that Snape was in love with Lily! That would certainly help better explain the depth of animosity that Snape has for James.

Hermione69

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 8:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, and count me in among the people who will be extremely disappointed if the Boggart/Snape scene is not in the PoA movie!!! It is priceless!!

Faerygdds

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 9:11 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hermione:

I was not saying that Harry would want to get the powers out of him, but rather that Voldemort would want to get his powers out of him. I'm thinking that he might need what he did leave behind in little Harry Potter might be necessary to return to absolute full power, not just resurrection.

I LOVE your theory about the blood/immortality link. And yes, that would explain loads! (dang.. my grammar is matching the book again!)

OK... now on the GoF........

Just started reading tonight... 16 pages/ one chapter in and I have LOADS of questions!

We hear a lot about the death of the Riddle family in this chapter. I really don't remember the rest of the book as far as this subject goes, so here's my list of queries:

The 3 people who were killed were Mr and Mrs Riddle, and thier GROWN son Tom Riddle. Now... we know that the Tom Riddle that was killed can't be Voldemort, so who is he??? I assume that the boy that was seen my the gardner was the Tom Riddle we saw in CoS. And if indeed these Riddles were his family, why was he named the same as his OLDER brother? If he was NOT named after this grown son, then who did he have replace him in order to fake his own death?

Also... the coroner said that they seemed perfect as if they were scared to death. Which leads me to wonder if they were really dead at all??? Were they petrified??? Neville had a frightened look on his face when Hermione did the "pretrificus totalis" spell in SS. Is it possible that they weren't really dead at all... and thus, buried ALIVE??? (shudder)

ANd then there is Nagini.... is she just a snake, or perhaps, a baby basilisk??? If so, then maybe the family WAS petrified, by a baby basilisk who had not yet come into it's full powers 50 years ago...

ugh... my head is swimming... enough questions for now.. feel free to discuss!

Faerygdds

Friday, May 30, 2003 - 9:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh.. and at the VERY least, since the Snape/boggart scene is NOT integral to the storyline... I wonder if they would at LEAST do the scene and put it in the deleted scenes of the DVD!!! That would ALMOST satify me!

Neko

Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 7:23 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    

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The 3 people who were killed were Mr and Mrs Riddle, and thier GROWN son Tom Riddle. Now... we know that the Tom Riddle that was killed can't be Voldemort, so who is he???




He is Voldemort's father. We found out in whatever book it was, perhaps CoS, that Voldemort got his Muggle father's name and hated it.
Making the grown son his father.


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Also... the coroner said that they seemed perfect as if they were scared to death. Which leads me to wonder if they were really dead at all???




The Adava Kedvara (Can't spell) gives off the exact same things. Seeming to be "Scared to death"..
Of course a wizard would know exactly what happened..


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ANd then there is Nagini.... is she just a snake, or perhaps, a baby basilisk??? If so, then maybe the family WAS petrified, by a baby basilisk who had not yet come into it's full powers 50 years ago...




This could be, but I don't believe so.
Chances are, Voldemort and Wormtail are not immune to the basalik's petrify-ness..
So that would make keeping her as a servant to Voldemort very hard..
AND, didn't Wormtail have to milk Nagani??(Maybe I'm tired..who knows)
That'd be hard to do without looking at her..
lol
I'm think Nagani is just a very large snake..
Perhaps a boa...

Faerygdds

Saturday, May 31, 2003 - 2:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The Adava Kedvara (Can't spell) gives off the exact same things. Seeming to be "Scared to death"..

I thought about that.. and perhaps had Harry been able to keep the connection of the wands, we would know for sure. I caught her father's name thing as well, but I thought he was referring tot he surname Riddle. Otherwise, wouldn't he be a Jr.??? But I suppose he could have had a different middle name.

Djgirl5235

Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 4:46 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just reread the entire series once again - HOW MUCH DO I LOVE THIS SERIES??????? Anyway, only 19 days, 4 hours and 2 minutes to go!!!

Hermione69

Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 6:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Faerygdds, very interesting idea that Voldemort might want to get his powers back out of Harry. I hadn't even thought of that. Good one!

DEEJ!!! HI!!!

Anyway, when I reread PoA, the emphasis on the fact that Voldemort really had it in for James or Lily or both became a little more evident. WHY?? Why them? Or did he actually go there to kill HARRY all along? Again, why? What makes them stand out amongst the thousands of people in the wizarding world as people Voldemort was specifically gunning for?? Again, that makes me think James and Harry may be direct descendents of Godric Gryffindor. We have bantered that idea around before, but it makes more and more sense to me.

Another thing that struck me in PoA was that Dumbledore told Harry (paraphrased), "I got to know your father well twice. Once when he was at school with me and again later." What were the circumstances of the second time? Could it have something to do with the Order of the Phoenix? Maybe OotP is a secret group of wizards, like some have theorized. OMG, maybe Voldemort was even in the group before he went bad??? Of course, he was already bad, I mean but before he came out in the open with his dark plans.

I love coming up with all these theories!

I am reading GoF now. :)

Faerygdds

Sunday, June 01, 2003 - 8:26 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hermione,

The thing that really got me in PoA was the statement made by Sirius when they were in the shreiking shack.

It's on Page 375:

"Harry, this piece of vermin is the reason you don't have parents," Black snarled. "This cringing bit of filth would have seen you die too, without turning a hair. You heard him. His own stinking skin meant more to him than your whole family"

This leads me back to the SS and the mirror of Erised. It just bothers me that: 1) in the book, the mirror shows his whole family and that includes many with his green eyes. and 2) Aunt Petunia is the only living relative of Harry's.

OK... a couple of non-"petunia squib" theories.

Everony thinks that Lily is muggle born. But what if she isn't... what if there's a wizard in the woodpile. What if Lily's Father isn't her Dad, but someone else - a wizard. That would make her "half and half" and perhaps no one but her mother knows this.

I've not gone crazy, just go with this for a second.... We've heard endlessly about the important charachter features of Harry's. We know he has his father's hair.. as scruffy as that can sometimes be. We know he has his mother's brilliant green eyes. We know from the mirror of Erised that she is a very pretty woman with dark red hair and of course, bright green eyes.

Now look at the description of Petunia. She is horse-faced -- not pretty at all. She squints a lot out of curiosity and animosity. But after much perusing of all 4 books, I noticed something odd... never once is her eye color mentioned! Of course, we all assume that her eye color is green, but never once is that mentioned!

Why not???
Why is Petunia so homely and Lily so pretty???
Perhaps a genetic difference???
Does my little theory sound so insane now???

OK.. gotta go make pizza... please.. give me input...

FYI.. I got this little theory froma very wierd dream I had... Too much Harry Potter! :)

Djgirl5235

Monday, June 02, 2003 - 8:24 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Good thoughts Faery!!! The one thing that I find interesting is that the only way that Voldemort could return at full strength was to have Harry's blood - not anyone else's...

To expand on Faery's thoughts on Petunia - I understand that the family might be excited to have a witch in the family, but wouldn't you also be a little apprehensive? I just find that the speech that Petunia gives as Harry finds out about his lineage in SS is a little telling.

Faerygdds

Monday, June 02, 2003 - 1:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
DJ... her resentment during that little diatribe also had me questioning, even the first time I read it! There seemed to be MUCH more animosity than a simple sister's rivalry. And if you go with my thought train from above. Maybe the reason Lily was never eccpeted by her sister was that she looked different from her or that she didn't look ANYTHING like her father. And maybe she only like marginally like her mother as well.. that's all speculation, but if Lily and Petunia are only half sisters, then it would explain a LOT of the animosity.

I have known siblings who, while they were growing up had no idea that they were only half siblings, but because they looked SO different, they always suspected that "something was up". Luckily they were't as hateful as Petunia, but it did cause a lot of internal issues until one day, at the age of 17, their parents sat down with them and told them the truth.

I all know is that there is a lot more than just normal hate going on between these two sisters.. and I want to know WHY!!! :)

Oh and you guys will get a kick out of this...

When I was reading the description fo Lily from the mirror of Erised to my hubby last night he blurted out... "red hair???! wouldn't it be funny to find out that Harry was actually a cousin to Ron???" I laughed and completely dismissed it, but it's been bothering me ever since. I kept thinking ok... 2 scenarios make sense: 1) Aurthur's father stepped out and that's why he is SO devoted to Molly, or 2) Molly's father stepped out and maybe she knew Lily was the result and that's why she's so FOND of Harry.

I know.. those are as far fetched as you can get, but it was fun to bemuse over them for a bit!

Lycanthrope

Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 8:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, Faery, if Harry is related to Ron, then obviously he's related to Ginny too, and then everyone speculating that Harry's gonna end up in a relationship w/her may have to look somewhere else...

Hermione69

Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 9:45 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Kissing cousins....

Lycanthrope

Tuesday, June 03, 2003 - 10:48 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Only in Arkansas...

Ophiliasgrandma

Friday, August 15, 2003 - 6:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I guess I'm a wee bit behind, but I'm almost finished with "GOF". It took me a while to hop aboard the HP train, however I am enjoying it. I didn't read the first two books as I had already seen the movies.

Neko

Monday, August 18, 2003 - 10:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh OG, you HAVE to read the first two books!
You'll miss so much in later books if you don't.

The movies were great, but they miss alot of details only found in the books!

Ophiliasgrandma

Monday, August 18, 2003 - 3:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Neko, good suggestion, but I doubt I'll do it. My 30 years old daughter knows absolutely all there is to know about the books and she's filled me in to what I've missed. I'll be starting on the last book as soon as I'm though with the latest Stephie Plum book, To The Nines.