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Webkitty
| Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 7:13 am
Yea!! Herm, its one of those movies that you want to watch right again anyway. I saw it two times (although not two days in a row like I wanted to) and I am thinking of badgering my husband to go again before it leaves theaters.
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Fluffybbw
| Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 2:52 pm
I've seen it twice so far, Webkitty and Hermione69 and I do want to go again, but there is just one(don't read this Hermione) death that is so difficult for me to take! But the movie is just wonderful and yes there are some differences between the books and movies, but hey they are just wonderful on their own!! I can hardly wait for you to be able to see it Hermoine I know you will love it!
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Webkitty
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 1:29 pm
I am hanging out right here until Hermione posts her review!! (can't wait!)
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Webkitty
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 1:58 pm
Still here.......tra la la la do do de de...... (no pressure Herm) 
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 2:00 pm
Okay, here goes. Keep in mind my perspective is different because I have not read the books yet. I decided last year after seeing Fellowship, that I was going to see all the movies first before I read the books so I did not have any expectations for how the movies play out. I loved it. I really did. It did drag a couple of times. I had no sense of time passing in the first movie and I did here, but not so much that it took away from my enjoyment of the film. I thought the visual effects were brilliant. The Ents were so cool. I was expecting Gimli to be almost a caricature because I heard some complaints that he was too jokey, but I didn't get that sense at all. His friendship with Legolas is great. "Pointy-ears." "Don't tell the elf." ROFL! Aragorn is smoldering, but somehow Legolas really caught my eye this time. I loved how the elves came to the battle of Helms Deep. I loved Legolas doing that slide down the side of the wall. I didn't think the love triangle was as intense as it was made out to be. It seemed very one-sided to me. Most of the interest seemed to be on her part, not his. I thought it was very obvious that Arwen has Aragorn's heart. I mean he dreamed about Arwen all the time. The whole part where Arwen's father was trying to dissuade her from waiting was very moving. I thought Gandalf and Frodo could have been explored more. They seemed a little two-dimensional this time. Samwise showed more depth than Frodo did this time. I love Samwise. If I ever have a little boy, I am naming him Samwise! Gollum was brilliant and fascinating and repulsive at the same time. I can't wait to see where his character goes. Faramir was interesting to me. I didn't think he would be so hungry for the ring after what happened to Boromir. It must run in the family. The Battle of Helms Deep was amazing. I liked how they did the effect of the ladders rising with Orcs on them. The sheer power of the whole battle scene. Wow. And the river flooding over Saruman's tower was awesome, too. Introducing so many new characters was a bit confusing to me, but I kept on top of it pretty well. There are a lot of layers to this trilogy. Today is the last day it is showing in open caption format. I didn't get to go yesterday and I don't think I can make it today so I may have to wait for it to come out on DVD now. How long will that be??? LOVED IT!
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Webkitty
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 2:46 pm
<clapping> YEA!!!! Excellent summary Herm!! Wow, for someone who hasn't read the books, you really have a grasp on what's going on! See, this is where the people who have read the books over and over and over (lol) again miss out on the movie magic. They are comparing differences and departures rather than just sitting back and enjoying the show. (so glad I saw both HP movies BEFORE I started reading the books) Herm, you really nailed the Eowen/Aragorn thing. It was ALL one sided, Aragorn knew about Eowen's feelings, but he never led her on, his heart was always with Arwen. Like I said in a post above, Aragorn was always my favorite character in the trilogy, long before I ever layed eyes on Viggo. He is just so ALONE, I ached for him to finally be with his love. sigh. *Most* men don't seem to "get" this from the books, oh well. (don't want to start a flame thing here) Legolas was pretty darn cool in the TTT though I'm also glad that you didn't think Glimli was too jokey. In the books, he does forge a lifelong bond with Legolas, and they do joke around from time to time (as much as Tolkien let these characters joke around, this was a serious tale) Farimir and the Ring, power DOES run in the family. When you read the trilogy, you'll see this. Hint, they got it from their father. I have no problem with how Farimir was protrayed in the movie, I actually thought it was more realistic than in the book. I think DVD is coming out in November, I might have to break down and buy one of those darn things!
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:02 pm
Aragorn is still number one of my list, so don't get any ideas.... I'm just saying that I REALLY noticed that Legolas is pretty yummy, too! I would like to make-to-order a male harem. Do you think I could do that? You make a really good point. Aragorn is very alone. Even in the fellowship, Merry and Pippin are a duo and Frodo and Sam are a duo, and Gimli and Legolas have a very tight bond that Aragorn doesn't quite share with them. Even in love, he is alone on some levels because he has fallen in love with an immortal. I wish that Frodo's torment over the power of the ring had been better developed. When he struggled with it, he came across almost like Gollum/Smeagol. It seemed to either have ahold of him or it didn't. No middle ground. Was it like that in the book or was it more subtle? I would also like to know a little bit more about Gandalf as Gandalf the White. I will definitely own this movie as soon as it comes out!
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Calamity
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:08 pm
Musical-loving me still hasn't seen 'Chicago'. I planned to finally be razzle-dazzled a couple Fridays ago but instead got talked into going to TTT for the second time. ("Oh come on, Chicago's gonna win the Oscar and will be around for a long time - this might be the last time we get to see TTT on the big screen.") I can be such a pushover sometimes. Anyway, while I thoroughly enjoyed TTT the first time, I think I even liked it a little bit better the second viewing because I wasn't comparing it to the book. I also noticed Faramir was kinda cute! At first I must have been put off by the facial hair (blech!) and how he was so different than in the book. But I still love Legolas' acrobatic mounting move though. (Honest to gosh, I cannot figure out how to describe that without it sounding sorta dirty, lol.)
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Fluffybbw
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:18 pm
Yea!! Hermione!! You finally got to see the movie!! I am so glad you liked it and I fully agree with Webkitty it is great to get someone's view who has not read the books and actully now that she mentions it I also think the movie betrayal of Farimir is more consistent with his desire for the ring. But I noticed you left out my heartbreaking moment in the movie - (this is a spoiler, do not read this if you have not seen the movie!) the death of my beloved Haldir, what is it with me and cold men with long blonde hair??? Anyway I am so glad you finally saw it and I bet it will not be long until it is released on DVD.
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:20 pm
Don't mind me, I'm just coming in to claim all the men! I think Faramir is cute, too. I think I'll add him to my harem! And yes, "acrobatic mounting move" sounds extremely dirty! ROFLMAO!
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:22 pm
Fluffy, yeah, that bothered me. More so since someone said he doesn't die in the book? What is up with that?!! He is pretty yummy. I'll add him to my harem as well. Let's see... I have Aragorn, Legolas, Lucius Malfoy, Haldir, Faramir, Snape and Samwise. And Kevin Spacey. I think I can stop now.
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Webkitty
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:51 pm
Woo Hoo Herm! That's quite a harem you have going on there girl! Yes, Haldir was no where near the battle of Helms Deep in the book (neither were any of the Elves) It didn't bother me, but this was an outrage to "purists". (btw, I LOVE the actor that played him!) About Frodo and the Ring. In the trilogy, the Ring steadily wore on him as the days went by. His spirit grew heavy with the burden of it. There were times when the Nazgul were near that he would have an urge to put it on, but the movie emphasized it more. Gandalf the White. Now there's a deep dialog. Not everyone agrees on what happened to him when he went down with the Balrog. I'll try to figure out how to direct you to some sites where you can go and read some very serious discussion on the works of Tolkien. I never got that deep into it, but maybe someone else can fill you in.
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Fluffybbw
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:53 pm
Hermoine69 that's true he doesn't die in the book, I guess they were just trying to make the battle scene more dramatic as if that was possible!! I love your harem idea and any days you are busy or not feeling well please feel free to call on me to step in for you! I love the Legolas mounting move too! I think I am probably going to wear out my pause button on my vcr when I get the video when that scene comes on!
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Fluffybbw
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 3:59 pm
Webkitty I knew there was a reason I liked you! The actor that plays Haldir is great! I really kind of think Haldir and Lucius were separated at birth. And you probably already know this but the fact that Haldir died did not bother me because I am a "purist", trust me my thoughts concerning him or Lucius are anything but "pure"!
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Fluffybbw
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 4:05 pm
Now after a struggle I will pull my mind out of the gutter, and on to Gandolf the white. If I remember correctly there was more attention paid to the fact that he did not really remember himself as Gandolf the Gray or even much about the members of the Fellowship when he first reappeared in the second book. I know they showed a little of that in the movie when Aragon addresses him as Gandolf and he says something like "yes, that's what they use to call me". I'm not 100 percent sure of this, sorry it has been a while since I read the books.
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 4:05 pm
Wait a minute! The elves were not even at the Battle of Helms Deep in the book?!!?? Now I am REALLY glad I haven't read the books! I have some purist in me (I admit it!) and I would have been irritated the first time I saw it play out. But I would have gotten over it by the second time, as I did with HP and the CoS. Fluffy, you can have my harem every other Thursday for a small fee of $125,000.
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 4:07 pm
Yeah, I wasn't really sure what was going on with Gandalf and what he remembered and what he had become. It wasn't explained very clearly in the movie. I'll have to do some research and find out. Fluffy, I can totally see the resemblance between Lucius and Haldir!
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Fluffybbw
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 4:09 pm
Okay Hermoine69 I accept your offer but I will have to spend a lot less time here because I will have to do a HECK of a lot of overtime to earn that amount, but it is totally worth it! LOL
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 4:11 pm
Mmmmm mmmmm!
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Webkitty
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 4:24 pm
<pulls out Trilogy> lets see, Gandalf........The Two Towers, Chapter V, The White Rider..........this may take awhile........... Hermione, yes, many were outraged that the Elves showed up at Helmes Deep. It was actually Gandalf and Erkenbrand who showed up to save the day at the last minute. I thought the majesty of the Elves showing up at Helms Deep played well on the screen, but I would have been happy with the other way too. (I'm so easy) Herm, I'll still fight ya for Aragorn! uh hummm
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Hermione69
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 5:02 pm
Maybe I should read the first two in the trilogy?? I don't know if I can do that... Just read two, that is. I loved the Elves showing up at Helm's Deep so I am glad I got to see that with no expectations. You can have Araorn one Wednesday morning a month.
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Reiki
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 5:13 pm
I'm a not quiet purist. I don't mind them changing things in the movie to save time or even giving the actions of a supporting character to another supporting character. (In the first movie, I wasn't too upset with Arwen saving Frodo and not Glorfindel - who was never seen again in the books so why introduce another character in the movie). But there were a few moments in TTT that made me go huh? I felt adding the elves to Helm's Deep was unnecessary. It was dramatic enough without it. I would have had no problem with elves having joined Aragorn on his journey in the Return of the King. It would be not too far off from what happens in the books with the Elrond's sons and the Rangers showing up. Faramir was another jarring movie moment for me. Yes, Boromir is his father's son. Faramir is not. In the book, Faramir stood in stark contrast to Boromir in that he passed his ring test with flying colors. I guess making him tempted to use the ring for the defense of his country is more realistic, but is contrary to the story as written. Why change what doesn't need to be changed? All that being said, I can't wait for TTT to come out on dvd and will be in the theatre on opening day of the Return of the King. Hermoine, as someone who has read the books every few years for over 25 years, I envy you getting to enjoy them for the first time.
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Reiki
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 5:16 pm
Hermoine, The Two Towers and Return of the King movies do not follow the book chapters. There is stuff coming in the 3rd movie that is in the 2nd book. If you don't want to spoil the 3rd movie, don't read the 2nd book yet.
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Webkitty
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 5:22 pm
Hermione, I think its safe for you to go ahead and read the whole trilogy now. Actually, I would recommend it at this point. Reading the HP books has helped me enjoy the movies more, even with the changes. Think my husband would be upset if I left him a note: ~gone off with Aragorn to Gondor, be back in a century~ (that Arwen gets the best guy just because she's an elf! humpft!)
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Djgirl5235
| Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 5:26 pm
Herm - I'm SOOOOO sorry, I completely forgot to ask you how you enjoyed the movie this weekend! I'm glad to hear that you thoroughly enjoyed it, and good call on not reading the trilogy before seeing the movies. I made that mistake this summer and was nitpicking the movie when I saw TTT ... I have to see it again to truly just enjoy it, but I did enjoy it nonetheless. I too am a purist, so I made the biggest error!!! The funny thing is that I wasn't disappointed in the first one after reading the book and rewatching the movie, but I'm funny that way!!!
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