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Kimmo

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 6:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, he's not in the third book very much-- Is he? I remember liking how he fits into the end of the third book, but I can see how he's not essential.

Reiki

Thursday, November 13, 2003 - 6:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
He is in the 3rd book near the very end of the story, but that part was already widely known to have been not included in the film (Raising of the Shire).

What about the stone of orthanc? Gandalf and party still have to confront Saruman at Orthanc so that Merry and eventually Aragorn end up with the stone.

Kimmo

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 1:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, since the 2nd movie ended with Isengard being washed out, in the next movie it could just be implied that they got the stone "between movies" (since getting the stone is from book 2).

There's still the old king/governor who goes crazy/depressed looking at the other stone that will offer an opportunity to explain the stones in general (if I'm remembering right).

Kimmo

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 1:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Well, maybe what I said can't be right, since the 2nd movie was as if it picked up right from the end of the 1st movie, basically.

Calamity

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 3:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
***Spoilers for RotK***

I don't recall Saruman having a major role in RotK. There's the confrontation between Gandalf and a rather wretched Saruman who rebuffs Gandalf's attempt to help him (am I remembering that correctly?). And following that there's the part where he is killed by Wormtongue. There may be more but I'm drawing a blank right now.


Guess I need to re-read the book :) .

Btw, does anyone plan to see the extended versions of the first two movies in theaters next month? We're thinking about it but only four movie houses in the whole state will have them. I've already seen both twice (original versions) but these really are the type of films that need to be seen on the big screen to be fully appreciated and I'd like to see the extra footage anyway.

Reiki

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have re-read the books every few years for close to 20 years :)

The first movie (The Fellowship of the Ring) followed the book of the same name pretty well. The second movie (The Two Towers) did not. There are many things that happened in the book the Two Towers we have not seen in the movie of that name. For instance we have not yet seen the "Watcher in the Dark". I don't want to give too much away here, but for anyone familiar with the books you should know who Frodo and Sam meet in the dark. For dramatic purposes it was decided to move this part of the story to the 3rd movie. I don't think they need to spend a whole like of time getting the stone to Aragorn via Pippin. The problem with changing what seems like a small detail often has larger ramifications. Wormtongue must throw the stone so that Pippin can pick it up (Not Merry as I mistakenly said earlier) in order for other things to fall into place later. If we don't see Saruman and Wormtongue again after that I could live with it. Again I won't go into detail here. Maybe we should start a new thread for Return of the King spoilers?

I enjoyed the first movie more than the 2nd and enjoyed the extended version of the first movie the most. I just about wore out my dvd! I look forward to seeing some of the misses pieces in the second movie. I will probably go see all the movies in a block if I can, but am really looking forward to having all 3 extended dvd to watch over and over again.

Kimmo

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 5:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I could see how they could cut the part with Pippin and the Palantir out of the movie, since it sort of parallels Frodo's experience with the ring (and that guy I mentioned earlier). Does it really change what happens with Aragorn?

I am definitely going to see all three when they come out in December!!! I'll go to another city if need be. :)

Ocean_Islands

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 7:01 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Do you have your reservation? I think they are all sold out. I tried and didnt' get a reservation.

Reiki

Friday, November 14, 2003 - 7:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's my feeling that the Palantir sets up many of the plot points that follow. It can be done a different way, but that would mean more reworking of the original story. I don't want to go into any more detail in this thread.

I'll reserve judgement until I see the final product. But I am a little disappointed that I have to wait another year to see this scene.

I was just reading that the Trilogy Tuesday shows sold out in under 2 hours. Wow! At that rate I will be happy to see RofK by itself in December. For the first 2 movies I took the day off from work and went to the matinee. Fewer fanatics - lol. This year I was hoping to see it in Manhattan that weekend while I'm there.

Djgirl

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 12:12 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have seen quite a few "trailers" for RotK and for all intents & purposes, they are "sort of" including the Palantir as Merry is thought as the Hobbit who possesses the ring and must be spirited away. That's what I got from it though. I'll be going out tomorrow and picking up the extended DVD though, that's for sure! I loved the FotR Extended, and will definitely own the entire set.

Calamity

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 2:39 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wasn't interested in attending the special back-to-back-to-back screening on Dec. 16th (I admit it - I'm way too restless for a 12-hour movie marathon, lol), but we did order tickets for the extended version showings of FotR and TTT next month. I worried that they might sell out in advance too.

Just re-started reading RotK.

Ocean_Islands

Monday, November 17, 2003 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The extended versions are playing the week before ROTK comes out, so you could see them, but separately.

Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 5:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
RE: Extended DVD for TTT.

Just got this, and watched it last night. There are LOTS of extra scenes in this extended version, and they're for the most part great. Especially if you love the Ents -- lots more Treebeard.

Yankee

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 8:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Cool I can't wait. My work took over this week and I wasn't able to get to the store to get it. But I will get it this weekend and will weigh in with a response after watching it.

Reiki

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 8:54 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I haven't managed to get around to picking up mine yet either. Probably this weekend. I hope there are the commentaries like they had on The Fellowship dvd.

Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, November 20, 2003 - 10:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Look forward to talking about it in more detail once you guys have gotten it!

Yankee

Reiki

Monday, November 24, 2003 - 4:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Okay. I got my Extended DVD on Sunday and watched it right away. I listened with the cast commentary and closed captioning on for the movie dialogue.

The Extended version is so much better than I remember the movie being. Some of the moments that made me wince in the threatre made more sense with the additional scenes.

Still not crazy about the characterization of Faramir in the movie, but I can live with it. The scene with Faramir, Boromir and Denathor was good, but they should not have known what the Bane of Ilsidur was (The Ring), only that it may be something useful to them in their battle against the Dark Lord. Frodo holding the ring up to the Ringwraith still bugs me, but maybe it will be resolved in the 3rd movie.

I wait in not so hopeful anticipation for the theatrical release of the Return of the King. I have learned to expect the moments that are jarring to a fan of the books. The movie won't be completed for me until the Extended DVD of that movie is released.