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Hermione69

Friday, June 13, 2003 - 5:50 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
{{{{Meli}}}} Thank you so much for transcribing that excerpt from the book! I have a significant hearing loss and cannot hear well enough to listen to things like that. I saw the link on a couple of webites to listen to an excerpt and was saddened that I couldn't and then I come here and you, you wonderful person, you, have typed it up! THANK YOU!

ONE MORE WEEK AT MIDNIGHT TONIGHT!!!!

Meli456

Friday, June 13, 2003 - 12:04 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
One more week!!!!!!! I'll have to wait a little longer for it to come in the mail, though.

Hermione, you're welcome!! I was just so excited to see it and I couldn't wait to share. My son's friend was wanting to use the computer and watching me transcribing and I think he thought I was a little nutty! hehe

Wow, I have to hurry up and finish reading GoF! One more week!!!!

Neko

Friday, June 13, 2003 - 12:47 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'll have to leave this thread after 7 days and not come back till I've read OotP (I love the look of that!!), which won't be for another month probably...

Lycanthrope

Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 6:17 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Just reading GoF again, and one of the blurbs for OoTP came to mind. A Defense against the Dark Arts teacher with a personality like poisoned honey, I beleive it was. This may make no sense, but what about Narcissa Malfoy as the new teacher? Probably not, but just a thought after I read the line "she would have been nice-looking if she hadn't been wearing a look that suggested there was a nasty smell under her nose."

Hermione69

Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 7:48 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Lycanthrope, that would just be awesome, wouldn't it? What a storyline JK could get out of that! Good spec! I wouldn't mind seeing that! And Harry thinks Snape doesn't like him... well, can you imagine how Draco's mom would be??

I can actually see it. Dumbledore might hire her under false pretenses, when he really wants her close because he knows she is one of the Voldemort supporters and he wants to keep an eye on them.

:) Cool idea, Lycanthrope!

Rissa

Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 8:07 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I have been rereading all the books in anticipation of this Friday. Just finished Goblet last night and something occurred to me..... JK released all the first three books before they really hit it big, right? At least in my neck of the woods, once they were the must-have book... you could run out and buy the first three already.

So would it be fair to say that Rowling was probably not sitting at home waiting for a Trekkie like following, her own personalized Hogwart's train and a gazillion dollars to arrive? Would it also to fair to say that she had not yet experienced what happens when millions of fans pick apart every word of every sentence and call you on each discrepency?

I ask because in Goblet, Voldemort tells Harry that his father was a muggle JUST LIKE HARRY'S MOTHER... but Harry's mother was not a muggle, she came FROM a muggle family. Voldemort's father knew absolutely no magic, so it wasn't a case of him using the word to apply to muggles who are also part of the wizard world.

I was watching a biography type show on Stargate a couple weeks ago and one of the actors was saying it's ulcer-inducing when you are trying to tell a story and you have to watch each and every syllable to make sure it doesn't contradict something you said earlier..... because thousands of letters will arrive immediately otherwise. RFLOL

So the point to this rambling is to ask the following (as it pertains to spoiling based on hidden clues): IS JKR the type to care that much about hiding clues in a turn-on-the-phrase? Or is she just trying to tell a story? If she is the type, would this have started AFTER the third book was released and she was feeling the pressure of intense fanship?

The quote I referred to is: 'You stand, Harry Potter, upon the remains of my late father,' he hissed softly. 'A Muggle and a fool....very like your dear mother."

On another note: I had completely forgotten how many strings were left dangling in Goblet. Hagrid and Maxine off to find giants (or that's the impression anyway), Voldemort back in his body/strength with his followers around him (they won't be afraid to act now, that they are back in a pack). Dumbledore telling Surius/Snape that he trusts them both so he wants them to trust each other. Snape sent off on some mission (to reinfiltrate the Death-eaters?).

EW, EW that reminds me of another quote. When Voldemort has called his followers to him, he talks about three that are missing:
"One too cowardly to return.. he will pay. One who I believe has left me for ever... he will be killed, of course.. and one, who remains my most faithfull servant, and who has already re-entered my service."

So Karkaroff is obviously the coward who ran off, that was made very clear as was Crouch being the loyal servant. So that leaves Snape was the one who left him and will be killed. If Dumbledore sends Snape to Voldemort, will that be the death JK refers to? (I don't think so, IMO Snape will be there to the end) but it's something to think about.

Lycanthrope, that would be cool. They did such an awesome job casting Lucius, I would love to see who plays his wife.

Faerygdds

Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 8:20 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Rissa... the only contradiction to Voldemort's statement about muggles lies within Voldemort himself. He has such intense hate for muggles and mudbloods, the I believe he sees them as one and the same. I have had that belief since CoS. That explains his statement quite easliy.

Lily was not a muggle, but she was a mugblood. Voldemort does not see the differentation. JMO

Lycanthrope

Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 8:38 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Faery, that's how I perceived Voldemort's quote as well. During the Death Eater scene at the Quiddich World Cup, Draco refers to Hermione as a Muggle, and when Harry corrects him, he tells them that if they think the Death Eaters can tell the difference, then they've nothing to fear, but he intimates very heavily that they DON'T differentiate between Muggle born wizards/witches and actual Muggles.

Calamity

Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh that's an ingenious idea, Lycanthrope! Well, honestly I dread the thought of Narcissa being the new DADA prof because of how she may treat the Gryffindors, but it'd be great for drama.

Hi Rissa: JKR has said that the entire series was outlined in her mind before she even began writing SS/PS. I'm sure some details have been revised, added, dropped, whatever. But I believe that she has had the major twists & revelations planned out and has left clues whose significance may not be apparent until later. Sometimes much later. That's not to say that she & her editor haven't made some mistakes or taken advatange of some unforceseen events to alter the storyline somewhat.

I agree that JKR probably never imagined such intense interest in and devotion to her stories and characters. That must be a burden. (Not the worst burden to have, at least since she says she loves writing the books. It would be a different matter if she felt obligated to continue the series when her heart was no longer in it. That's one reason why I think she was smart to say from the beginning that Harry's saga would end after seven books.)

Oh and you might like this, Rissa. Just last night a friend told me she fancies Snape. I was aghast. ("But he wanted to poison Trevor!", I argued.) Later, I realized I kinda have a double standard re: Snape. Logically speaking (that is, if my irrational phobias ought to determine my feelings, lol) which regular Hogwarts staff member ought to be the focus of my ire? Hagrid. He was mostly responsible for Aragog being set loose on the unsuspecting Forbidden Forest. I can't help worrying about all the poor unicorns and centaurs, etc, with those nasty spiders running around. But do I hold that against Hagrid? Nope. And yet I can barely force myself to give Snape even the tiniest benefit of the doubt.

There. That may be the nicest thing I'll ever be able to say about Snape. Ugh. I do believe he'll survive this book if only to torture me later. Lupin...oh dear. I'm very apprehensive about something happening to him in OotP though. Sniff.

Tashakinz

Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 12:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
From the Borowitz Report: During interrogation for stealing copies of the not-yet-released book:

After revealing many other details of the book’s plot, including what happens to Ron as keeper of the Gryffindor Quidditch team, the thieves divulged the surprise ending of “Phoenix”, completely wrecking it for police.

Fortunately the article didn't spoil the ending for us, but it does confirm that Ron is the new Griffindor keeper.

Tashakinz

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 7:44 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
JK in her BBC article last night squashed the internet rumor that Fleur will be the new DADA teacher.

I also found an interesting site (www.mugglenet.com)listing "general facts not disclosed in the books." Who knows if they're really accurate - but they're very interesting - especially given that we have debated Dumbledore's age here. = )

(p.s.) where you see numbers mixed in with the facts - they are links to articles talking about the facts - see the book 5 section at the website if you want to follow the links to the articles/interviews:

Harry's middle name is "James."

Hagrid, Lily, and James were in Gryffindor. (Hagrid was NOT in Hufflepuff.)

Lily Potter's maiden name was Evans.

There are about a thousand students at Hogwarts. (True, that doesn't seem right, but J.K. said so, and she's the boss.)

James Potter was a Chaser on the Gryffindor Quidditch team. (They said he was a Chaser in the books, Seeker in the movie.)

Hermione's birthday is September 19th, Ron's is March 1st.

James Potter inherited lots of money, so he didn't need a well-paying profession.

James Potter inherited the invisibility cloak from his father.

Witches and wizards have longer life spans than muggles.

The Gringott's goblins' return the muggle money they they acquire back into circulation.

The approximate value of a Galleon is about five pounds ($7.30 or 8.00 Euro), though the exchange rate varies.

Dumbledore is 150, McGonagall is 70 (and is really an old softy, just doesn't act like it), Snape is 35 or 36.

Hogwarts school motto, "Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus," means, "Never tickle a sleeping dragon."

If placed in front of a mirror, the inscription on the Mirror of Erised ("Erised stra ehru oyt ube cafru oyt on whosi") reads, "I show not your face but your hearts desire."

The happiest people do not become ghosts (12) (therefore we can take it that ghosts are people that died while sad, angry, etc. Myrtle was teased, Nearly Headless Nick didn't have his head completely chopped off, the Bloody Baron was...lonely?)

The Hogwarts teachers do not stay at Hogwarts during the Christmas holidays. Filch, Hagrid, and Dumbledore do.

A few of the Hogwarts professors have spouses, but that information is restricted for reasons we will find out about later. (3)

To remove the tail that Hagrid gave Dudley in the hut on the rock, the Dursleys went to a private hospital where the staff was very discreet, and said that a wart had got out of control. (7)

Aragog is an Acromantula (see "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them"). (4)

Dragons can't be domesticated, no matter what Hagrid thinks. (4)

There's more to the cats in the story (Crookshanks, Mrs. Figg's cats, Mrs. Norris, etc.) than meets the eye. (7)

The animal an Animagi turns into is a reflection on his/her personality. (6)

For Hagrid, keeping dangerous creatures is all about overcoming something that could kill him. (4)

Azkaban is in a sea north of the North Sea. A very cold sea. (12)

You can do unfocused and uncontrolled magic without a wand (like when Harry blows up Aunt Marge), but to do really good spells you need a wand. (3)

Muggle school is not required for wizard children prior to attending Hogwarts. (7)

A magical quill detects the birth of every magical child, and records it in a book; Professor McGonagall sends an owl to each child when he or she turns 11. (12)

And just an interesting tidbit to ponder about Book Four:
Book four is VERY important in the series; Rowling describes it as "crucial" and "pivotal". (9)

13.5 hours to go!!!

Hermione69

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 9:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tasha!!! {{{{Tasha}}}} Tasha!!!

Thanks for little fix to get me through the next 12 hours! I am so excited!

The bummer is that I am sick today and if I don't start feeling better in the next 6 hours or so, I won't be going anywhere but to bed tonight and will have to wait for tomorrow to get my book. :(

This is probably the last I am going to visit the threads until I have read the book because I don't want any slips to ruin anything for me. Whoever finishes the book first, please start a new thread for people who have read the book. :)

ENJOY, POTTERHEADS!

Calamity

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 9:49 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Tasha, that's a great web site.

Hope you feel better soon Hermione! I'm miffed because I've also come down with a mild cold. This is particularly vexing because I almost never get sick. I can go years without so much as a case of the sniffles. I think my health problems as a kid convinced my body to develop a killer immune system :) !

Thanks to all the HP fans for making this long wait so enjoyable!

P.S. I don't really go around worrying about the unicorns in the Forbidden Forest - I was just speaking figuratively !

Tashakinz

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 10:35 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
{{{Hermione & Calamity}}} Feel better soon!!!!

It turns out my local grocery store has the best price (who'dve thought lol) so I just need to find out if (since they're a 24-hour store) they'll be putting them out at midnight or 6:00 a.m. I may be up all night if I can get it at midnight lol.

Looking forward to discussing with all very soon!!

Neko

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
"The animal an Animagi turns into is a reflection on his/her personality. (6) "

That's a question I pose to all of you Potterheads, what Animal do you think you would become and why??

It's a hard question..
Beacuse I want to answer it, of course, as my favourite animal type thing..
But then I realize, personality wise...
Uh uh.

I think, if I had an animal form, my form would be a bird of some sort.
A hawk or maybe an eagle.
Probably an eagle.

Or maybe an owl cause I LOVE to sleep during the day.
Hehehe

Tashakinz

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm a known bookworm and a known monkey (I'm so short I have to climb to reach upper cupboards); but personality-wise I likely would become a cat - it's all about the attitude. = )

lol - good question

Neko

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 1:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
So do I Tasha...so do I...(About the climbing)

Calamity

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 2:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hi there (btw Neko, I hope you are somehow able to get a copy of OotP really soon!). I'll be going offline pretty soon but wanted to check in one more time.

I have this interesting book called The Animal in You that quizzes you on all sorts of things like body type, temperment, interests, etc. and then matches you with an animal. What surprised me is how brutally frank some of the evaluations were - this wasn't a book that had a "happy" answer for everyone. (I always have trouble deciding on some questions so I got two answers - bat or otter. Not sure about wanting to be a bat :) ! ) The book is at home and I'm not so I'll have to look later and see what it said about each animal.

Calamity

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 2:15 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh and I forgot...thank you for the kind words, Tasha! Can't wait to discuss either.

Lycanthrope

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 3:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I don't have to wonder what animal I would be...

I'm a werewolf, but unlike Lupin, I was born that way.

Smell of the earth, call of the wild, roaming the forest while you sleep, I sense everything :)

Neko

Friday, June 20, 2003 - 4:18 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Thanks Calamity.
I'm 239 out of 921 holds..
Plus, there's going to be probably 30 copies of the book..
Each on 7 day loan...

To get that 239, I've had a hold on OotP for 2 years..
Hate to see how long the ones in front of me have been waiting.
LOL

So probably 3 weeks...maybe 4..
Hopefully before I go to camp!

Tashakinz

Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 7:18 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Typo/gaff - page 169

I HATE HATE HATE the new DADA prof.....

Twiggyish

Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 5:38 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Can we separate this thread so that we can discuss each chapter without seeing what's ahead? I am really enjoying the book with my daughter. Would love to discuss several points, but don't want to ruin it for anyone. (biting nails here..LOL)

Hermione69

Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 5:56 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Twiggy, you can create new messages in the main Harry Potter thread. I divided the book into three parts, but after reading your post and I'm thinking that I should have broken it up more. If you want to do so, please feel free. It won't bother me at all. Maybe break it up into 3 or 5 chapters at a time? Knock yourself out! I would love to discuss it too, and like you I just want people to be careful not to spoil any surprises for others who haven't made it as far. If you want to break it up like this, I can just ask the moderators to delete my threads. That REALLY will be fine with me. :)

I'm on page 479 now....

Neko

Saturday, June 21, 2003 - 7:16 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Yeah Herm!!
What a great idea for people who haven't read the book yet...(Like me..But I have it..Bahaha!! *Hugs it*) to still be able to come in..
Only to say I got the book, but still.
LOL

Abby7

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 3:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Tashakinz: question regarding your above post. "typo/gaff - page 169"

???

Schoolmarm

Sunday, June 22, 2003 - 3:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Finished the book....it's great, and can't wait for the next one!