Training Day
TV ClubHouse: archive: Movies Sept 2002 - April 2003:
Training Day
Alaskagal | Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 01:05 pm     I just saw this movie. I thought it was pretty good. I now believe Denzel deserved the Academy Award 100% he was great in this movie. Ethan Hawke was awesome too - wish he would have won best supporting actor. |
Spygirl | Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 02:02 pm     I just watched it last week, too, and have been meaning to come over and talk about it. I thought it was a good movie. It was a bit rough, and it lost me several times towards the end. Just seemed a bit too long. It was a bizarre ending, which I liked, though. I thought Denzel was good in the movie, but I did not think he deserved the Academy Award. I reserve Oscar performances for characters fraught with varying degrees of emotion, multiple angles, and a great deal of depth. Those performances make me truly understand a character in a different light. I did not think his role (setting his acting totally aside) was worthy of an award of that caliber -- and neither was Crowe's performance last year. Sean Penn or Crowe this year are more what I term "Academy Award Winning Performances". Just my opinion. |
Alaskagal | Thursday, April 11, 2002 - 11:02 am     Interesting, I thought Denzel really sucked me in. I do agree it got a little long, but tried to think of what they could have taken out and still built up to the end. I was very confused until the very end and think if I watched it a second time I'd get a better idea of all that was going on. |
Whowhere | Friday, April 12, 2002 - 07:40 am     I thought he was much better in John Q. |
Alaskagal | Friday, April 12, 2002 - 10:44 am     WHowhere I haven't seen that yet, I'll have to go see it. |
Webkitty | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 05:58 am     I saw this a few weeks ago and forgot to comment... I have always thought Denzel was a really good actor and he was in this also, but I don't think it was his ~best~ performance ever. I actually thought Ethan Hawke's performance should have at least earned him a nomination.... It is a gritty, violent movie with twists and turns. The testosterone level is high, the opposite of a ~chick~ flick, that's for sure, but I'm glad I saw it anyway, had to see what the academy thought was oscar material. |
Mssilhouette | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 06:43 am     I thought it was his best bad guy ever. Which I don't believe he's EVER played a bad guy. Heck I'd almost forgotten that Denzel started out on St. Elsewhere! I thought Ethan was good as well. It was just a delightful surprise to see Denzel in a different role. I didn't think the ending was strange. Denzel owed the Russians money by midight. He was heading to the airport since Ethan had stopped him at the apartment and took the cash from him. So while running the Russians caught up with him and shot him...a whole lot....a lot a lot. Then Ethan finally goes home after an exceedlingly LONG day, all beat up and bruised. 'Do you wanna go home, or do you want to go to jail?" Ethan went home. Denzel got killed. The russians were explained, Denzel had gone to Vegas and lost his temper, beating a guy to death. Apparently this guy was someone in the Russian mafia or something, so he owed them money in exchange for his life. That's why he was planning to set up his rookie all week. Basically it became a race for his life and he would do anything to live. |
Juju2bigdog | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 08:23 am     There were Russians in the movie??? Well! That might explain a few things. |
Micknrc | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 10:14 am     Denzel-- a good actor in a mediocre cop movie. Oscarworthy? Uh, no. |
Tess | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 02:06 pm     Denzel gets killed in this movie? <sob> I was going to watch it but now I'm not so sure. |
Juju2bigdog | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 05:01 pm     Oh, not to worry, Tess, he is soooooooooooo baaaaaaad, you will be rooting for it in the end. Russians, huh? Really? |
Tess | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 05:14 pm     I just can't picture him as being that baaaaaaaaaaad, Juju. Not Denzel. Do the Russians shoot him? Yup, scrolled back up. The Russians shot Denzel, Juju. I guess I do need to see this movie. |
Spygirl | Monday, May 27, 2002 - 05:42 pm     I saw the show, too, and never caught on to the Russian thing, either. |
Mssilhouette | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 07:01 am     LOL oops sorry about the accidental spoiler.... As for the Russian thing, I believe it's explained when Denzel leaves Ethan Hawk alone with the Latino Gangsters one of them explains why Denzel's been running around and why he left them cash. Way before that scene he visits "The 3 Wise Men" they ask him how he's gonna handle his Vegas problem. This is after he takes the money from Macy Gray, which was payment to the 3 wise men. |
Juju2bigdog | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 09:38 am     Huh! |
Cinnamongirl | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 12:35 pm     Webkitty, I think Ethan did get a Best Supporting Actor nomination at the Oscars. He was great in this movie! |
Ketchuplover | Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 05:46 pm     Macy Gray? WHAT YOU TALKIN BOUT WILLIS? |
Mssilhouette | Wednesday, June 05, 2002 - 11:57 pm     LOL dang y'all missed all that? Time to rent the movie again... *Sigh* Macy Gray plays the woman with the red and black hair who Denzel and Ethan enter her place with a chinese food menu disgused as a search warrent. Macy is there with a little boy and she berates Ethan while Denzel searches the house and snatches about 50K in cash. Macy is all twitcy and she is baby sitting her nephew. This is the scene they have shown in teaser clips where Macy Gray runs out after them yelling 'You ain't no police...Blast them fools!" That is Macy Gray...take another look LMAO What movie did you guys watch? You missed the Russians & Macy Gray I supposed you missed rap stars Dr Dre and Snoop Doggy Dog too? LOL |
Juju2bigdog | Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 10:17 am     ACK!!! |
Tess | Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 02:46 pm     MsSil, by the time I rent this movie I'm going to be soooooooo smart, thanks to you. |
Juju2bigdog | Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 05:34 pm     Sure, Tess! I bet you'll even pick up on the Russians! Er ... Dr. Dre? Snoop Doggy Dogg??? |
Tess | Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 08:18 pm     I even know who Macy Gray is. Aren't y'all proud? |
Mssilhouette | Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 09:12 pm     LOL Okay..Dr. Dre is part of Denzel's crew, he's the one that wants to shoot Ethan after they shoot the old dealer and dig up his cash. He's the only guy Ethan punches after he holds the gun on Denzel. Snoop Doggy Dogg, is the dealer in the wheelchair at the bus stop who gets chased into the wig shop. |
Tess | Friday, June 07, 2002 - 01:01 am     MsSil, I'm not going to have to do any work at all by the time I get around to watching this movie. You're cracking me up. Juju, they must have editted out the Russians, Macy, Snoop and the Dr. for the west coast version. I'll let you know if they are in the midwest version. |
Weinermr | Friday, June 07, 2002 - 09:14 am     You must have missed Snoop Doggy Dogg, because in the credits he was listed as Snoop Dogg. Some actors like to use a stage name, you know. |
Juju2bigdog | Friday, June 07, 2002 - 10:04 am     They shot an old dealer and dug up cash? You mean somebody who was dealing cards at the card game? Was this one of the Russians? Or somebody in the hood? |
Mssilhouette | Friday, June 07, 2002 - 05:22 pm     LOL Weiner...I'm sorry he dropped the Doggy...my bad. LMAO It's just plain ole Snoop Dogg. Juju, if you keep on asking questions I'll wind up detailing every scene and plot twist. LOL The older dealer that Denzel took Ethan too, the one that they had a drink with in the house on the hill. Then later on Denzel & his crew with Ethan, do a bust on the house and they dig up his cash in the kitchen. No this older dealer isn't the Russian and the Latino Gansters were playing cards and that was a different scene later in the movie. Oh Juju...rent it again! LOL |
Tess | Friday, June 07, 2002 - 06:26 pm     MsSil, when I watch this movie, I'm going to be following along with a print-out of all your hints. It sounds like it must have been a complicated flick....unless Juju just slept through 70% of it. I still can't believe that honey, Denzel, gets killed at the end. That is sooooo not right! |
Webkitty | Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 06:58 am     Tess, once you watch this movie you'll be cheering for Denzel to "get it" in the end. That's how much of a bad guy he plays. Ummmmmm, maybe this was his best performance ever......................... |
Juju2bigdog | Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 09:33 am     Okay, Mssil, now I remember the old dealer. I never did get what his connection was with the Russians. And now that you mention it, I do remember them digging up his cash in the kitchen. would somebody PLEASE jump in here and tell MsSil that sometimes Juju has been known to be a bit facetious before MsSil comes after me with a straight jacket? What was the name of the actor who played the old dealer? Oh yeah, Bigdog says Scott Glenn. Uhhhhh ... I'm thinking maybe I should just rent this movie again (or for the first time). |
Tess | Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 02:06 pm     <jump> MsSil, Juju has been known to be a bit facetious, however, I'll bet anything she had no idea about the Russians or that Snoop fella. |
Niceguy | Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 01:26 pm     I'm a little late to this discussion. The script has big problems and the fact that Denzel surmounted them so masterfully is the reason(I believe)he was nominated and won. The whole Russian mob subplot should have been depicted in more detail. Imagine its early January in Las Vegas during the CES show. Alonzo is semi-undercover. He's dressed in a casual chic gangster attire. He's hanging around the adult industry display booths, hanging with the performers. He meets the Russian through those connections they even party together a bit. But he's basically setting the mob guy up for a fall. He bungles it and kills the guy by mistake. Of course then you can't call it TRAINING DAY. I hope Antoine Fuqua(the director)gets lots of A-list actors banging on his door wanting to work with him. |
Sweetbabygirl | Thursday, January 16, 2003 - 02:02 pm     For someone who has never gotten the appeal of Denzel, I must say DAMN!, he was sexy as hell in this movie!! His attitude, the way he spoke, Jesus, all that edginess left me quivering. |
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