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Emeraldfire
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03-05-2003
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 7:56 pm
An anarchist to some, a Savior to millions.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 8:22 pm
Reader, I have the Message too. It's not quite as loose was "The Way". LOL I like that it's almost written in novel format rather than chapter/verse.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 8:27 pm
Here's the movie's website. http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com/skip.html# some other websites http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/ http://www.seethepassion.com/index.php http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/thepassion/ this one has an interesting Q&A
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 8:31 pm
Tish, Pilate is speaking to "the crowd" that had gathered in the square calling for Jesus' crucifixtion. Pilate was a Roman. Many feel that Pilate and Herrod didn't want to crucify Jesus and that is why they kept passing him back and forth between them. The Jewish leaders (Caphias and am drawing a blank on the other leaders of the Sandriham..butchering that spelling too) were very instrumental in Jesus' crucifixtion.
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Sbw
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08-09-2000
| Tuesday, February 17, 2004 - 9:37 pm
There is a lot I don't know... but for my 2 cents. The manuscripts that the Bible was taken from contained over 11,280 words. The English Bible contains only 6000. (Guess we are missing a few details here, huh?) The Jews were God's chosen people as told in the Old Testament. (And I am not saying that they aren't now.) Last night MG did say that he did not know who was going to heaven/hell. He said that it was not his decision and that he felt even some non-believers could possibly go to heaven. He felt that most religions would have people going to heaven. (Makes me curious about the statement about his wife.) I understand he spent about 30 million of his own money. The person who asked that the English subtitle be taken out was of Jewish faith and played Mary in the movie. (Don't remember which Mary.) The Jewish person that Dateline (or whatever news show it was on) said had done the most negative speaking about the movie, snuck in and saw the movie. He stated that he did not believe MG was anti-Semite or that the movie was anti-Semite; but that he was afraid that viewers would move in that direction. MG himself last night said that he felt that Christians were the most to blame for Jesus death. (OK, so I stuck in at least 4 cents worth, sorry.) All of the above can be wrong, but that is the way I remember it. The part that I had the hardest time expressing was what he said about people going to heaven, but that is the "nutshell" I got out of what he said and that is not what I expected him to say.
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Twiggyish
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08-14-2000
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 8:23 pm
I think you posted that very well SBW! (as usual) I would hope the movie is not anti-Semite. As posted earlier, I am not sure if I'll see the movie.
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Mamie316
Member
07-08-2003
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 9:18 pm
I really want to see this movie but I don't know if I can.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Wednesday, February 18, 2004 - 11:21 pm
this was emailed to me today Paul Harvey Comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson The majority of the media are complaining about this movie. Now Paul Harvey tells "The rest of the story" and David Limbaugh praises Gibson. Most people would wait and see a movie before giving the reviews that have been issued by the reporters trying to tell all of us what to believe. Paul Harvey's words: I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions. I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion", held in Washington DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced. In addition to being a masterpiece of film-making and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth. One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of the Revelation. Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love. At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive. The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be "anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded "After watching this film, I do not understand how anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus". I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it. It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations. This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior than we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth. We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion." You will be as well. Don't miss it! -- Paul Harvey ________________________________________________
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 5:40 am
This review was actually not written by Paul Harvey. It was really written by Keith Fournier, the founder of a group called "Catholic Way". link <Fixed> (22)
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Ddr
Member
08-19-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 5:46 am
Maris, the link you posted has the following message. We're sorry, but the page you requested could not be found. I didn't really search through their link, so if it is handy for you, could you please post it again, I'd like to read the article. Thanks.}
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Maris
Member
03-28-2002
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 5:50 am
This isnt the link I posted, but it will give you the information and the corresponding link. Hope it works. link
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Ddr
Member
08-19-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 6:38 am
Thanks Maris.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 7:03 am
Thanks for the clarification, Maris.
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Tishala
Member
08-01-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:17 am
Mel Gibson's father says Holocaust exaggerated link A week before the United States release of Mel Gibson's controversial movie, The Passion of the Christ, the filmmaker's father has repeated claims the Holocaust was exaggerated. Hutton Gibson's comments, made in a telephone interview with New York radio talk show host Steve Feuerstein, come at an awkward time for the actor-director who has been trying to deflect criticism from Jewish groups that his film might inflame anti-Semitic sentiment. In his interview on WSNR radio's Speak Your Piece, to be broadcast on Monday, Hutton Gibson, argued that many European Jews counted as death camp victims of the Nazi regime had in fact fled to countries like Australia and the United States. "It's all -- maybe not all fiction -- but most of it is," he said, adding that the gas chambers and crematoria at camps like Auschwitz would not have been capable of exterminating so many people. "Do you know what it takes to get rid of a dead body? To cremate it?" he said. "It takes a litre of petrol and 20 minutes. Now, six million of them? They (the Germans) did not have the gas to do it. That's why they lost the war." Gibson's father caused a furore last year when he made similar remarks in a New York Times article. <snip> During his lengthy radio interview, Hutton Gibson, 85, said Jews were out to create "one world religion and one world government" and outlined a conspiracy theory involving Jewish bankers, the US Federal Reserve and the Vatican, among others. The Passion, which gets its US release on February 25, purports to be a faithful and graphic account of Christ's last 12 hours on earth. Jewish leaders who have attended advance screenings have voiced concerns that its portrayal of the Jews' role in Christ's execution could stir up anti-Semitic feeling.
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Texannie
Member
07-16-2001
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 9:20 am
I feel very sorry for that man. To be so deluded is just down right pathetic.
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Faerygdds
Member
08-29-2000
| Thursday, February 19, 2004 - 10:21 am
He needs to visit Dachau... I have and let me tell you.. the holocaust was not at all fiction! To think that is scary enough... so say it... Well.. all I can do is hang my head, shake it from side to side and wonder how people can be so blind.
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Deesandy
Member
08-12-2003
| Friday, March 05, 2004 - 8:49 am
666 appears on some 'Passion' tickets ROME, Ga. (AP) — Tickets at one movie theater screening Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" are being deemed decidedly unholy. The number 666, which many Christians recognize as the "mark of the beast," is appearing on movie tickets for Gibson's film at a Georgia theater, drawing complaints from some moviegoers. The machine that prints tickets assigned the number 666 as a prefix on all the tickets for the film, said Gary Smith, owner of the Movies at Berry Square in northwest Georgia. The 666 begins a series of numbers that are listed below the name of the movie, the date, time and price. "It's from our computer and it's absolutely a coincidence," Smith said. "It has nothing to do with the film company or any vendor. It's completely in our computer." In the Bible, the book of Revelation says 666 is the "number of the beast," usually interpreted as Satan or the Antichrist. Several patrons have made comments about the numbers, and one person who was uncomfortable having 666 on her ticket asked for a pass to be substituted for a ticket. "A lot of people have asked what the numbers mean, some said it seemed odd, some said it was inappropriate," said theater employee Erica Diaz. The movie, which opened Wednesday, is a bloody depiction of Christ's final hours and crucifixion.
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