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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Thursday, February 12, 2004 - 11:09 pm
Dawg: What version of InCD are you using and which OS? It looks like there are many issues related to reading a CD-RW written with InCD on a CD-ROM drive (on either the same or another computer). It can often be done, but the fixes are very specific to the version of InCD and the OS. Also, there are some CD-ROM drives that just will not read the CD-RW. Draheid: The CD-RW works great when they work, especially for using them as you described. For backing up data for use with the same CD-Burner, I've seldom had any problems. For writing data that needs to be read on another computer (like when I go to my BIL house to install things like a virus program and other utilities and don't want to use his dial-up to download them), I find it safer to use a CD-R. Even older Pentium and Pentium 2 machines have little trouble reading these. I usually pay 3-5 cents per CD-R, so I don't worry too much about the cost. (adds another and buys another CD-R)
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 12:39 am
Ack! I am up past my bedtime, but I came here to see if anybody had any comments. Okay, what Draheid describes is exactly what I thought was the advantage of a CD-RW, BUT I can apparently erase my CDR's with Nero, and I can apparently overwrite what is already on there, as I have done it by accident. But I was wondering what is then the big deal about CD-RW's, since it appears they have almost the same purpose, until TODAY when I discovered I can directly put stuff on the CD-RW without using the CD burner. I can drag and drop files from My Pictures directly onto the CD-RW disk without using the CD burner, which is, like AMAZING! Bob, OS is Windows ME. Nero Express is Version 5.5.10.4 Bundled. InCD is Version 3.5.19.2. Giant floppy, giant floppy, giant floppy. Okay, it actually says LARGE floppy, but giant sounds better.
Night night.
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Draheid
Moderator
09-09-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 7:20 am
Juju, I'm not sure about erasing a 'CD-R' disc after it has been used, I've never tried even accidentally. I do know that you can also use CD-R's the same was as you discovered you can do with CD-RW's, ie. place them in the burner and then drag-n-drop files onto them as you would a floppy disk. You only have to remember to 'finalize' the disc when you have filled it in order to use in another drive other then the burner. You might even want to try putting a blank CD-R in your burner right now, presuming you have InCD currently running. You should be prompted to have the CD-R prepared for writing similar to the prompt you discovered with the CD-RW. I'm not positive of this though but I think it should work. On a side note, why is it we commonly use 'disc' when talking about CDs and 'disk' for floppy or hard disks?
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:44 am
Dra, I'm gonna try some experiments on this stuff later today. I KNOW I have overwritten CDR's. You understand when I say drag and drop, I have the CD in the burner drive, but I am not using the burner software? It is exactly like a floppy. I have always been able to drag and drop files into the copying area of the burning software and then burn them onto the disc. This new discovery is different. I'll come back and let you know how my experiments came out.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:04 pm
Well, I sort of asked this several days ago, but it got quickly archived/lost since people had real problems here. I'm just trying to figure out why the settings I do for my folders (on my desktop) don't stick. I put my games folders to view on "icons" and the next day they are on "tiles." Seems like I have to reset them every day (or even a few times a day). This happens more on the folders I don't use as often. Also, I can't seem to have my status bar (on any window, especially IE) stay on viewed. Seems like I have to reset it to "view the status bar" every time I re-open the window. Is this just the way WindowsXP works? Or am I doing something wrong in the setting? Its really only a minor annoyance. But I sure wouldn't mind making that annoyance go away! 
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Draheid
Moderator
09-09-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:33 pm
Whoami: Although this may appear not to be your specific situation with the status bar, try the steps on the link and see if that helps: Status Bar 'Locking' I'm still researching the Windows Explorer settings problem. I'll let you know if I find a solution.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:38 pm
Thanks Dra! I'll check out that link after I take care of Mom. Just to clarify. The other problem with the settings going from icon to tile. You said Windows Explorer. Is that the same as the folders I have on the desktop? I have folders on the desktop with shortcuts to the games and stuff I use the most. Its those folders that keep going to view as "tiles" when I prefer them to be icons.
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Draheid
Moderator
09-09-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:39 pm
Whoami: Here's an article from Microsoft about Windows Explorer 'forgetting' the settings you select for the folders on your computer. Warning, this solution possibly requires editing your registry which can cause serious problems for your computer. Please read the article carefully before deciding to follow the instructions there. Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 813711 Your view settings or customizations for a folder are lost or incorrect Edit to add: I read your post while I was posting this. Most likely this can still apply since clicking a shortcut to a folder actually opens Windows Explorer to display that folder.
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Whoami
Member
08-03-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 6:48 pm
Thanks Dra! Your'e such a help! Looks like I should just live with having to change things back to icons once in a while, as I don't know if I want to fool with the registry over a minor annoyance. Its just odd it started to do this a couple of weeks ago. Not sure if I understand the status bar locking link. I think I need to wait till my brain is more clear and read it more thoroughly! Thanks again!
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 8:34 pm
quote:Juju, I'm not sure about erasing a 'CD-R' disc after it has been used, I've never tried even accidentally.
I tried to recreate this feature today. I was unable to erase files I already had on the CDR. I know I have done it accidentally by overwriting something I KNEW was on the disc. I have come to believe that when I did it accidentally, it was a fluke. The burner should have recognized they were already on the CD and did not. I now know I have to be careful when I am adding to a CDR that it shows the files already on the disc when I read it within the burner and before I burn new files. Heh, but if I TRY to overwrite old files, the burning software will find them every time and not let me over write them. I also found the erase option on my Nero software. It is on a separate Options screen. I the listed option of "Erase entire CD." I got a message saying I can only erase a Re-writeable CD.
quote:I do know that you can also use CD-R's the same was as you discovered you can do with CD-RW's, ie. place them in the burner and then drag-n-drop files onto them as you would a floppy disk.
I didn't expect this one to work, and it didn't. I tried formatting a CDR with the InCD software, just as I did with the CD-RW. It would not proceed and kept telling me to insert a re-writeable CD. You understand I am not talking about dragging and dropping files into the burning software, but actually dragging and dropping them from C: or A: onto a formatted CD-RW in E: without using the CD burner at all. I have always been able to drag and drop files into the burning software.
quote: You only have to remember to 'finalize' the disc when you have filled it in order to use in another drive other then the burner.
Did not try finalizing a formatted CD-RW that I have dragged and dropped files onto. I did find a "finalize option" somewhere on the CD burning software. I don't have to "finalize" a CD-R to play it in my CD reader. I can take it directly from the CD burner E: without having done the finalize step and open it in D: But the drag and drop CD-RW discs will not open in D: So that is an experiment that remains to be tried.
quote:You might even want to try putting a blank CD-R in your burner right now, presuming you have InCD currently running. You should be prompted to have the CD-R prepared for writing similar to the prompt you discovered with the CD-RW. I'm not positive of this though but I think it should work.
No, think I covered that one up above. It just kept telling me to insert a re-writeable CD.
quote:On a side note, why is it we commonly use 'disc' when talking about CDs and 'disk' for floppy or hard disks?
Thanks for reminding me of that. I like that distinction. Okay, so interesting experiments today.
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Daydreamer
Member
09-16-2003
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:46 pm
Everytime I type a 1 on my number keypad this is what I get: 01 All the other numbers are fine. Any idea why this would happen? Thank you!
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Draheid
Moderator
09-09-2001
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 9:58 pm
Daydreamer: It sounds as though something has gotten inside your keyboard in the area of the keypad. Most likely the 0 key is activating just as you press the 1 key. You might try prying the cap off of the 0 key (gently!!) and possibly the 1 key and see if there is anything under them that shouldn't be there. Otherwise you may just be in the market for a new keyboard if it becomes a problem. Hope that helps.
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Friday, February 13, 2004 - 11:42 pm
Dawg: Step back from the computer! I tried to catch you in chat, but they said you were long gone. Are you going to bed at 9:00 PM nowadays? This would be easier to explai\n in person. I'll be out your way in about 6-7 months, can this wait until then? Here's a quick comment to hold you over in the mean time. InCD works exclusively with rewriteable media (i.e. CD-RW). As you have proven with your testing, formatting and erasing are concepts that only make sense with a CD-RW, because a CD-R can only be written to once. If you could format a CD-R with an empty file system, like you do when you format a floppy disk, then you would not be able to add any files to that file system on the CD-R because you have already written to it once. Erasing has the same dilemma. If you have something written on a CD-R, that space is gone. The best you can hope for is to mark that file as deleted so it won't show up on the disk, but the space is not recoverable. Dragging and dropping files onto a CD-R uses a technology called packet writing. The file allocation table (FAT) is not created until you finalize the CD-R. Instead, packets are written for each file you drop on the CD-R and each packet has header information that is readable by your burner, but not usually readable by a CD-ROM. When you finalize the CD-R, the FAT gets written and the packets are now pointed to by the FAT, so now regular CD-ROMs are able to see what is on the CD-R. The preparing is often done automatically when a CD-R is inserted into the burner. A window willpop-up and ask if you want to prepare the CD-R for use with windows explorer. After this, you just drag files to your CD burner drive. The finalizing is usually prompted on the screen when you press the eject button. Exactly how this will look will vary greatly based on what burning software and drivers are installed and what OS you are using. I have no burning software on my newly installed XP box, so I'll play with what's built into XP first. Then I plan on installing Nero, so I can see how that changes things. I may also put Easy CD on to see how that's different. It may take a few weeks, but I'll let you know what I find out. Worst case, I'll figure it out by August and can then show you in person. 
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Cathie
Member
08-16-2000
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 2:13 am
SOS - Bob or Draheid, if you are around I am quickly sinking with my new video card. Help! After a disaster yesterday of getting a ream of paper in the box that was supposed to contain a new video card I exchanged it today for the ATI Radeon 9600XT. Everything was in the box and all was fine until I attempted the physical install. The card wouldn't fit into my AGP slot and upon inspection it appears that the tabs on the bottom of the card are reversed. ATI has a chart of AGP data, which as I read it indicates that the 9600XT is a Universal AGP card and should work in my 3.3V (2X) slot: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html At the bottom of the chart are drawings of the two types of AGP cards they have (3.3V and Universal), both of which should fit my 3,3 slot. I am attaching a photo of the Radeon card. Am I crazy or is this a "backward" card?

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Cathie
Member
08-16-2000
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 2:19 am
...of course, I now realize that nobody is around because all sane people are sleeping now, just us crazies out here makin' trouble... 
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Jed245
Member
11-01-2002
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 5:17 am
Cathie... uhh I'm admittedly one of the crazies. So here we go. The card doesn't look backwards to me Just poorly drawn schematics? Without seeing the slots of your computer it's hard to say exactly what is going wrong. And cause the simple things are always the hardest to figgure... Are you inserting the little hook end of the card in first? I mean to say turn the face end of the card up so that the hook end is pointing down. Now try slowly sliding it in place and turning the card. As if the hook end were a hinge. Not sure what else to tell you, but, that might help.. Jed. :o)
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Draheid
Moderator
09-09-2001
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 8:44 am
Cathie: No, your card is not backwards. AGP and PCI slots both have the connector bracket on the same right side (looking at the card from the back of the machine it is installed into). I have an older ATI AGP video card and it looks very similar to your photo. Are you having trouble installing it into the machine? I remember the extreme frustration I had when I attempted to install a new ATI card into a Compaq computer at my office. The external slot where the card was to mount was physically incompatible. Without modifying the case of the computer, I could not add the ATI card to it. Of course, this was several years ago. Hope this helps.
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 11:02 am
Hahahahaha, thanks for your long explanation, Bob. Actually, I am pretty clear that you can't re-write to a CD-R. I think Dra and I just had a terminology/semantics mismatch yesterday, which caused me to do additional experiments. I am even fairly clear on the packet writing, believe it or not. However, I am STILL quite thrilled with being able to use a CD-RW like a GIANT FLOPPY. I will do further experiments on the finalizing thing.
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Draheid
Moderator
09-09-2001
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 12:08 pm
Juju: I think you have a fixation with the term which I suspect could be rooted in your desire to get Pamy involved in the discussion. JMO - FWIW 
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Daydreamer
Member
09-16-2003
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 1:58 pm
Thank you very much Dra! I took off the keys and sure enough there was something in there that was pressing on the 0 whenever I hit the 1. It's working fine now! Thanks again! 
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Bob2112
Member
06-12-2002
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 2:07 pm
Cathie: The card you have is keyed for a 1.5V AGP slot and will not work with your 3.3V AGP slot. The compatibility chart is a little confusing, along with whole topic of compatability. In your picture above, the diagram that is missing would look like this:
This card will not fit into the older 3.3V slot, since if it did the voltage incompatibility would damage either the card, the mother board or both. It would accept the card that you purchased, but this is not your slot. In the following diagram, I would expect that your AGP slot would look like AGP 3.3V slot.
Strange thing is, the 9200, 9500 and 9700 are keyed to fit in your slot, but the 9600 is not. Your chart looks exactly the same for the 9500, 9600 and 9700, so I'm not sure what is going on. Here's pictures of each board so you can see what I'm talking about: Radeon 9200
Radeon 9500
Radeon 9600
Radeon 9700
I don't know for sure that the other cards will work correctly, but they will fit in the slot. Even though they are 8x cards (except the 9200), they should detect the version 2.0 slot and run at 4x. If that is true, you could probably go with the 7000, 7200, 7500, 8500, 9000 or 9200 and possobly save a little money. I'm not sure of the features of these cards, so you should make sure it has all the connectors that you want. Ironically, the ream of paper in the original box appears to have worked as well as the 9600. Ack! Good luck. I'm going to order my AGP 1.0 compatible card today, so I'm going to need some luck too.
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Cathie
Member
08-16-2000
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 3:15 pm
Thanks Bob for confirming what I was thinking! The NVIDIA card I am replacing looks like the other three, which ATI calls a Universal AGP card (presumably since it would fit any of the three slots.) The 9600 is a 1.5 AGP card but their chart shows it to be Universal like the others. My AGP slot is exactly like the one you show as the 3.3V. I have emailed ATI's help center but don't expect a response before Monday at the earliest. Due to our freaky (but wonderful!) snowfall last night I'm not getting out to take it back today. Must be my bizarre luck that the one card that won't work in my PC is the one I end up with!
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 4:48 pm
Man, this is like realllly super cool geek talk with pictures!!!!!!! Dra, I think you are correct in surmising that we don't necessarily want to encourage Pamy to be over here drawing cute things on the geeky pictures or waxing poetic about giant floppies. BTW, I have not yet introduced Bigdog to the GIANT FLOPPIES. He is still working on the concept of a streamlined hard drive.
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Glenn
Member
07-05-2003
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 5:44 pm
Juju, are you neglecting your hormone therapy?
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Juju2bigdog
Member
10-27-2000
| Saturday, February 14, 2004 - 8:54 pm
Au contraire, Glenn, extra doses for Valentines Day. Are you over here subbing for Pamy?
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