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Immikeswfe
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04-24-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 11:54 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I searched and couldn't find this topic anywhere. Just wondered how all of you felt. Since it seems so many of us are reality TV nuts, how do we feel when reality sneeks in where it's not expected?

Kaili
Member

08-31-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 11:58 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It has been discussed- I think it may have been in the Superbowl commercials thread and possibly somewhere in News and Views. Well, I'm pretty sure of that.

Anyway, I'll comment because I haven't anywhere else. Am I offended by it? No. Disappointed in them because it wasn't the time or place for that? Absolutely. In the overall scheme of things I honestly don't care though. They're (like most celebrities and aspiring celebrities) attention wh*res and they got what they wanted. Still, soon enough no one will remember that stunt. Or it will be remembered like Roseanne's National Anthem or Sinead O'Conner tearing the picture of the Pope.

Madonna and Britney? Shows like that are expected at some of those reward shows. I don't even remember if taht was the MTV awards or what. The SuperBowl? Have some common sense and know you're going to make some people mad. But as they say- publicity is publicity, good or bad. It gets your name in the paper.

Eliz87
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07-30-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Although I'll admit it was somewhat inappropriate, I don't think it was that horrible to warrant all of this attention. It was just a breast, and a partially covered one at that! I don't understand why our society wants to come off as so Puritanical. Puh-lease. As I've said before, if you don't already have breasts, you've seen them. Big whoop.

And, what about the revealing dresses you see on the Oscars, Golden Globes, etc. not to mention the Victoria's Secret specials?

Daydreamer
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09-16-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:14 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree with Kaili and Eliz. I didn't find it offensive, I've seen worse at awards shows. But, I do think it was a stupid thing for them to do at the Super Bowl. I didn't think it was a big deal but I can understand how someone with kids watching might have been caught off guard. I think it was more shocking than offensive.

Ocean_islands
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09-07-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wasn't offended. However my image of Janet Jackson will never recover. Someone who had before seemed cute and sexy now seems rather degraded, perverse, and quite unattractive, since that clip-thing ring was grotesque and fetishistic. Who knows what she has elsewhere. Furthermore, her bizarre idea that she wanted to show this to 90 million people leaves me wondering if all of the Jackson family are so disassociated from reality, or is it just rock stars?

Reader234
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08-13-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm in the move on category!!

I believe it was a publicity stunt. JLo's "dress" at the award show, Vesace - scarf like.. got so much attention, the Madonna/Brittany kiss. They are performers, trying to get publicity! On The View today I had to LOL at Star Jone's comments about Justin reaction. Pat Obrian from Access Hollywood interviewed Justin before the flap/fallout, and now the backpeddling... *duh! In our paper yesterday a comment was made about the racial aspect, of a white male ripping clothes off of a black woman - I felt ignorant, I never once thought of that! I was (and am more times than not!!) offended at the lyrics, the action was part of a choreographed number to go along with the lyrics... I still think they were stunned and are doing what they can at damage control.

Apparently the Grammy's are going to let Janet be a part of a tribute to Luther VanDross, hopefully somebody will do something shocking to talk about so they can move on. I just dont think they are very good at damage control, they really need to pay attention to politicans!! (*eg!)

I was offended by the flag/poncho, I was offended by the commercials, I now realize I am a prude!!

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:44 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I, myself, as an adult, was not offended. As the mother of young children watching, I thought it was inappropriate.

Awareinva
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08-13-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I'm with Reader on the flag/poncho.... that offended me more than the breast exposure! I guess because it was for a lot longer time and no one is criticizing it. I agree that the exposure was inappropriate, but the news media is doing exactly what Justin/Janet wanted by keeping on harping on it!

Crossfire
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08-07-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I think everyone is free to feel how they want about the incident. I've seen some good comments expressing both points of view.

I personally was not offended, even slightly amused briefly.

what I am hoping for now, is a six minute impromptu all star strip-a-thon at the grammy award show in protest of Jackson being removed from the show.

Eliz87
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07-30-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 12:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
LOL...Crossfire, maybe that would be a good idea. It would get it out of their systems after all!

Daydreamer
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09-16-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I forgot to add that I heard somewhere (maybe Entertainment Tonight) that the incident was the most replayed moment in Tivo history! LOL!

Kaili
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08-31-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:09 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Right, and I'm sure many of the people who were the most upset by it were the ones who rewatched. You know, just to be sure of what they were upset about

Crossfire
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08-07-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:13 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Janet has been sued for the mammary malfunction, the smoking gun website has the papers.

Maris
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03-28-2002

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:19 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
According to Rolling Stone magazine, Ms. Jackson has been disinvited from the Grammy awards and it appears she will be the fall guy/gal for the entire episode. I am with you Ocean on the grossness of what to me is advertising her self mutilation. You have to wonder what sort of abuse went on in that house growing up to produce such self destructive personalities as the Jacksons.

My take on the exposure thing is of course I am not offended by the sight of a naked breast but this a big country with people of all views and beliefs. The FCC has regulated that the networks and mainstream television stations have certain guidelines within which they have to operate. I think it is simplistic to say people called to complain because a naked breast was shown on tv. It was a graphic sexual demonstration for the sole purpose of shocking an audience.

CBS and the NFL hiring the rebellious relative MTV to do their half time show was a mistake waiting to happen. There is shock and there is shock and it doesnt belong at the dinner hour on a network station. It will be interesting to see how the fines play out, CBS gets fined will they sue their sister station? Will they sue the NFL claiming ignorance and claiming the deal was between the NFL and MTV. It is going to be very hard for Viacom to say they didnt tell one subsidiary what another was going to do. The fact is that MTV was advertising all day on its station that Janet Jackson would shock the superbowl. They just didnt expect it to cost them million and millions of dollars. That is why Janet Jackson is being punished and will probably be the only one punished. The problem is that Janet Jackson has done more to damage freedom of expression than any Jerry Falwell could do. This is just what certain groups need to push for more censorship and laws about what we will get over our airwaves.

One town in Florida has already cancelled a deal with MTV for a reality show being filmed in their high school. The NFL has announced that they will never hire MTV again (that is a lot of money) and then there is the collateral damage. Some member of NSync had his performance cancelled by the NFL for some Bowl coming up, guilt by association.

What really disgusts me in all of this is that little jerk Justin Timberlake saying he was appalled and shocked. What a Wus, he wont even take responsibity. He is blaming it all on Janet and her Choreographer and of course she has to keep her mouth shut because her recording future is at stake here. She will be blacklisted if she causes Timberlake to get kicked off the Grammy ceremonies as well. He was the kid we all had in grammar school, who is as guilty as everyone else but sucks up to the teacher and sells all his friends out.

I think that when you have a show that is watched by twenty million people of all walks of life and all views that you have to have a middle ground of what is acceptable to air. Did it bother me that my 12 year old saw it, nope. Did it bother other parents? I am sure it did and they had no control of what their child was exposed to because it came without warning. That is what I have a problem with, the choice was taken away from the viewer.

Bandit
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07-29-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:21 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I wasn't offended, and I certainly don't see what the big deal is. You see more boobs than that on Baywatch. Who cares?!?!?!?!

Calamity
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10-18-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree that it's often puzzling what America considers "offensive". Generally speaking, we have a much higher tolerance for violence than we do for sexual content. And when it comes to female nudity, things get even more complicated. I don't mean to get into that subject though!

I was bothered by the Jackson/Timberlake incident not because a nearly bare female breast was shown on national tv, but because 1)the entire skanky performance seemed more suited to an adult pay-per-view special than an allegedly "family-friendly" event such as the Super Bowl halftime show, and 2)it was just another example of how celebrities, the media, and corporate America is pandering to the lowest common denominator. You don't have to be a prude to be tired of the wave of vulgar language, crass humor, and gross-out situations taking over our popular culture.

For me at least, the more outrageous someone in the public spotlight acts, the more desperate, derivative, and calculating he/she usually appears to be. True talent and vision doesn't need to rely on tawdry tricks. I'm sure many of today's controversial celebrities probably like to think of themselves as the heirs of daring and original artists and performers who broke through barriers and taboos in the past. But I suspect most of them opt for outrageousness because it's easier to curse than to think of something meaningful to say. Can't blame them completely though - would they be acting this way if the public didn't reward them for it? Must say, I think much of the "shock" over this situation is manufactured. So what'll be the next scandal to give us all a cheap thrill?

Azlen
Member

08-27-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:52 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Someone has actually filed a lawsuit.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/janetsuit1.html


I don't know which one is funnier, the real one above or this fake one below.


CORONA, CA (Corona Times) - A man is suing CBS, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake for an on-air incident involving the exposure of one of Ms. Jackson's breasts.

Steve Bosell of Corona, California has filed a lawsuit claiming that the incident left him physically ill, induced vomiting, psychologically scarred his children and has ruined sexual relations with his wife.

"I just couldn't believe what I saw during the Superbowl Halftime Show. How could CBS allow Justin Timberlake to expose one of Janet Jackson's breasts on the air?" Bosell said. "I had just eaten two foot long sub sandwiches, which I bought at the local Subway sandwich shop. When Janet's breast appeared on TV I became physically ill and vomited before I could even make it to the restroom".

According to the lawsuit, filed within hours of the incident by Riverside attorney Delores Blasingame, Mr. Bosell claims his children were psychologically scarred because they were first frightened and then laughed at him.

"My own children ran away from me screaming like I was some sort of puking boogeyman who was coming to get them. After I finished vomiting on the living room floor, the children realized I was in a weakened, pathetic state and began to laugh at me. I am now in the process of hiring psychiatrists for my children." Bosell said in a strained voice.

"Later in the evening, my wife refused to be intimate with me after I had cleaned up. When she finally agreed to be intimate and took her top off in the dim light of our bedroom, all I could see was Janet Jackson's big ugly breast with a metal star covering the nipple staring back at me. Then to top it off, I swear that it morphed into Michael Jackson's face! I suddenly realized I was still aroused with Michael's face staring back at me. At this point my manhood totally stopped working" Bosell said while breaking down sobbing. "I don't think I'll ever be able to get it up again!"

CBS and representatives for Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake did not return calls regarding Mr. Bosell's lawsuit.

"I demand compensation because CBS, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake went absolutely out of their way to make me look like a fool" Mr. Bosell said. "I am asking other people to come foward and join my lawsuit against CBS, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake."

Mr. Bosell can be reached through his attorney Delores Blasingame at 1-800-449-8686.


Llkoolaid
Member

08-01-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:57 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Offensive/Non-offensive, nah just stupid. What is annoying about it is why they just don't let it die. Heck, we all had front row seats to the war and sat glued to our tv set as a nation was blown apart, what is a boob compared to that.

Maris
Member

03-28-2002

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 1:58 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
That is hysterical, and I bet he has the Tivio records to show for it. I dont think this guy needed the help of Janet or Justin to look like a fool.

Texannie
Member

07-16-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 2:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, MTV produced the halftime show the year with Aerosmith, InSync and Brittany Spears.
I thought David Letterman made a funny statement "Janet Jackson in a statement today pretended to apologize to the people who pretended to be outraged."

Mamie316
Member

07-08-2003

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 2:30 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It just all is really so ridiculous! Maybe this guy puked because he had just eaten two foot long sandwiches and as for seeing Michael's face and being aroused, I think that's a whole other can of worms!

Crossfire
Member

08-07-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 2:32 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Hehehe. Azlen played a bit of a trick on you guys. You have to read carefully. The link goes to a real incident. The text posted is apparently satirical.

Jagger
Member

08-07-2002

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 2:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Offended no, think everyone is getting a little too excited about this, yes. As they say in Hollywood, they'll take the publicity, good or bad, as long as it's publicity.

I bet anything someone will actually try a lawsuit very similier to the one above, and they'll probably win an outrages amount of money over it.

Time to go talk to my lawyer.

Reader234
Member

08-13-2000

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 3:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, on The View, Pat OBrian got a call from someone saying that Janet will be allowed to do an introspective for Luther VanDross,(originally Janet was going to present an award to Luther, but he is to sick to attend) that "the Grammy people" (I forget details btw!) wanted to check with Luther's people to make sure Luther was ok with Janet...(and then they have to check with Janet's people...) but who knows for sure!!

As an aside on Tivo... did ya know that Tivo records every click and show watched? They keep that data for??????? hmmmmm methinks another case of a big brother watching!! :-) (not that Tivo info could be in competion with Nielson ratings as in Tivo you have to have cable, or Dish service...)

Adven
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02-06-2001

Thursday, February 05, 2004 - 4:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Offended, no. Embarrassed for all of us, yes. Boiled down to its essence, what we have is a marginally talented guy exposing the breast of a marginally talented woman. When you take away all the flash, pyrotechnics and hype, what you're left with is a publicity stunt by two people who doubt they can succeed on talent alone. They're right. Pop music is dominated by those who, recognizing they can barely play their instrument, prefer to be judged on what is cool at the moment. Talent is irrelevant. The next Mozart, Beethoven or Stravinsky could emerge tomorrow and we'd still be debating Janet's mammary.