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Kaili
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 11:28 am
Kailsy? heehee- My best friend when we were in high school used to call me Kails. Now she's shortened it with all the rest of my family and I'm just Kai. I signed up at two of those temp places and never heard from them again.
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Costacat
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 12:23 pm
Not to condone this behaviour, cause I do think it's appalling to NOT send a "thanks but no thanks and we'll keep you on file" letter, but... with the economy as it has been, it's really been an employer's market. And many companies looking to fill positions have been absolutely INUNDATED with resumes. A few of the folks I know in various HR positions have said that they just can't keep up with the thanks-but-no letters, like they used to (they are understaffed, too!). What I find funny is when you get that rejection letter something like three months after you sent in your resume. Hello? Thankyerverrymuch, but I kindasorta thought you didn't want me! LOL... Good luck to y'all. Things are looking like they are picking up in the high-tech industry. We usually get blasted first, and recover last. So if things are positive here... there's hope everywhere.
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Fluff
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 12:58 pm
I work for Human Resources in the gov. It really is hard to keep up with all the applications we receive, but we do send acknowledgement letters to let the applicants know that we've received their resume/application, although we don't send rejection letters. There's not enough staff to concentrate, because they're busy doing BIs, working out pay, etc. Sending out the acknowledgement letters alone can be a hassle. 
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Kaili
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 1:23 pm
Maybe they can hire someone to send out rejection letters. Do you think if you applied for a position to be a rejection letter sender, and you didn't get the job...would you be sent a rejection letter?
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Fluff
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 3:16 pm
LOL! That's hilarious. Budgeting is awful here which is why they only hire the basics. Maybe that's why I haven't been offered a promotion! 
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Sweetbabygirl
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 4:03 pm
Thanks Costakins, Fluffster....I guess I never thought of that; however, if you can take the time to put out an ad, you can just as well reject. I'm just sayin'.
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Herckleperckle
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 5:15 pm
It used to be that you would get a rejection letter. But in today's economy, the employer is in the driver's seat. I remember hearing that during the rockiest months following 9/11 and the stock market plunge that companies received thousands upon thousands of applications and had no capability in place to respond to that many candidates. Even online, when I submit my information in response to a job listing or ad, only a handful of very-well established companies have a system set up to acknowledge a submission. Because even fewer have the capability of sending rejection letters in a timely way, my guess is that they just don't bother at all. It's an entirely different story if you have a personal referral or have been contacted by a headhunter. (I also read somewhere to check that you DO know someone in the company (even if you don't) if only a checklist is provided, rather than blanks for filling in a name. Your app goes into a smaller pile of keepers.)
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Teachmichigan
| Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 8:23 pm
Having been on at least 5 interview panels in the past 7 years at a small school district (class C...530 in HS), my bet is most schools send out or call a "thanks but no thanks" MORE often than they get thank you letters. I've conducted more than 40 interviews and when I've asked 2 -3 weeks later, usually our principal has NOT received thank you lettes. Personally, I've only ever received TWO! In all cases, we use a panel interview technique where all of us involved write our own questions, ask them ourselves and offer feedback to the candidate. We also make the decision as a group. If an applicant only takes the time to send a "thank you" to the principal, s/he has ignored 80% of the interview panel! I completely agree that some kind of acknowledgment is in order...but when applicants start taking the time to write thank you letters, employers will be more likely to send "no thank you" letters.
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Schoolmarm
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 12:18 am
In academia, there is OFTEN a big lag between the time someone applies and when they get their "thanks, but no thanks" letter. The reason is that as long as the winning candidate has not signed the contract, the "runner ups" will not get their rejection letters, since something could fall through. The candidates for the job that we phone interviewed in the end of October and on-campus interviewed end of November/beginning of December will just be getting their rejection letters in a week or so. I think that our candidate returned his contract signed. Now, on the personal level....I'm out looking again. I feel like a rat abandoning a drowning ship. I just hope that this year will be a good one for me. Two colleges already contacted me to apply for their jobs, so that is good news. I'm getting twelve applications out this weekend. Good luck to everyone who is looking for a new job!
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Goddessatlaw
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 8:00 am
Psssst - Marm!! Try IU Bloomington.
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Schoolmarm
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 9:18 am
Psst...GAL...that job was filled last year, before I had the required PhD finished. I would give my eyeteeth to go back there!
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Goddessatlaw
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 9:23 am
Psssttt - Marm! Maybe if you throw in an incisor and up the ante with a molar they'll create a position for you. If they were right-thinking, they would.
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Schoolmarm
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 9:40 am
LOL! Thanks GAL. It was quite a thrill to have someone from the University of Michigan ask me to apply for their job. I hope I'm up to "playing with the big boys", so to speak. If not, I'll be at IC in Jacksonville. Crappy job, but close to Mom and Dad.
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Goddessatlaw
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 9:53 am
Well, if in fact you wind up in Jacksonville I'm going to make sure you receive a warm introduction to your long-lost family in Springfield. And if it happens quick enough, I have a wedding in search of a great organist. We'll hold out for Michigan, though.
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Kaili
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 10:17 am
Marm...have you ever looked into Lawrence University? Their music program is their biggest thing. I don't know if they're hiring...I'm just saying. UW-Green Bay and UW-Milwaukee both also have music positions posted. Different types though. Then again...it is Wisconsin. But we're nice here. Really. 
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Frogichik
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 11:57 am
Ginger, I am a legal assistant at a small firm in North Miami Beach and I live in Fort Lauderdale. Someone else suggested checking the local papers which would be: Sun-Sentinel (Ft. Lauderdale, Broward County) Miami Herald (Miami, Miami-Dade County) Daily Business Review (A small paper for Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties, law firms use for publishing Notices, etc.) All three have websites. I would really would check out the Daily Business Review. When I feel disgruntled at work I thumb through the classifieds and wonder why I'm still here when there are tons of jobs out there with a lot better pay then I'm getting, but then I remember there are some pluses involved in working at a small firm. I would stay in the Broward County area if I were you, but I am partial to Broward because that's where I've grown up. If you want to work in Miami you will almost be expected to be bi-lingual. People just come up to you and start speaking spanish, because they assume if your working in Miami you must speak spanish and many jobs do require it. I would be happy to send you some classifieds from the Daily Business Review if you would like just to give you an idea of what is available. Most firms I notice either want PI or Real Estate experience. As for living in South Florida unfortunately, you are about 3-4 years too late. The real estate market has gone crazy down here. Home prices have absolutely doubled. Most people down here who are starting families are moving North of Palm Beach. It seems that's the only place to get a newer home on a decent amount of land without breaking the bank. As a native Floridian and most of us natives agree, we hate living here. To us we think who would voluntarily want to live in a year round heat wave with humidity so high that you can just feel the air around you. It feels like you are walking around in an sauna. To me and the few native Floridians there actually are, think it is miserable. The one place I do enjoy and apreciate is the Keys. That is the only place in South Florida I would actually "want" to live. I would probably apreciate Florida a little more if I lived in a colder climate for a significant amount of time. I lived in Toronto for two years and it didn't make me apreciate Florida any more, but I didn't have a car or have to shovel snow! I just want to live someplace that has four seasons! Well I have babbled long enough and probably have tons of typos! If you want any questions answered about South Florida, I have lived hear for 28 years and should be able to answer them or know someone that can. Also, back to the job situation, when your closer to the time your ready to come down, I could check with the attorneys here are have them put their feelers out to the community and see if they know of any available positions, or I could give you some names of potential firms to check out.
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Herckleperckle
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 1:54 pm
Teachmichigan. Thanks for that info. Even MORE reason to make sure you send you thank you notes!! I am soooo proud of myself. For my thank you notes to the 2 interviewers (same place, same day, different jobs), I thought about it a day, then sent the first a traditional thank you letter, and the second a thank you in the form of a PowerPoint presentation (that was one skill she wanted, in particular). Since the 2 gals work near each other, I know they will share. So I know each will have the opportunity to see my creativity and a bit of my range of skills. Sure hope it has the effect intended!!! What great people here. Thanks again, GAL, and thanks much Frogichik!! Both of you are going above and beyond!!! Good luck, Schoolmarm. With your credentials, you should get to pick what you want instead of v-v!
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Rosie
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 2:55 pm
HP, what a marvelous idea to send that power point thank you. I luv it. You did good!

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Herckleperckle
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 3:14 pm
Thanks for the support, Rosie!
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Colordeagua
| Friday, January 09, 2004 - 8:52 pm
Frogi, You're looking for four seasons? Have you ever thought of Chicago? Lived in Chicago area my whole life. It is OK. Of course job market is not so good now, but we do have plenty of law firms here. In 2002 I retired from about 20 years of legal secretarial.
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Schoolmarm
| Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 3:06 pm
Kaili....I'm applying at UW-Madison and UW-Whitewater, amongst other places. GAL...when is the wedding? If you want, I'd be happy to travel for it! Let me know. I'm procrastinating again and haven't sent out the letters of application yet. I will do that when I get home. NO INTERNET tonight. I forgot to pay my phone bill (again) and they cut me off. SHEESH....can you say absent-minded professor!??@!
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Rosie
| Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 6:56 pm
Hi Job Seekers, would love to hear updates from you.

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Herckleperckle
| Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 7:10 pm
Rosie, Thanks for the interest. The Aetna people told me last Monday that wouldn't hear anything from them until the third week in January. That's next week. So can't tell you anything for now. Not even trying to picture an end to all this, though. Too much of a letdown when it doesn't work out. Today I applied to a posting I found on Craig's List (NYC job listings) and got an almost immediate callback from the placement person--arranging for a time to talk in more detail tomorrow--pharmaceutical writing. And I found 2 jobs I qualify for with Anthem and applied for them--on their site thru the net. Not much else to tell for now. I hope Legal posts, though. She has some really promising leads. Anyone else have any news yet?
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Herckleperckle
| Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 7:18 pm
Oh, BTW, when I was searching today, I found this info and am posting it in hopes it fits the bill for someone here: Proctor & Gamble offers entry-level positions to undergraduates and MBAs in marketing, finance, product supply, customer business development (sales), consumer and market knowledge (market research), information technology, and research & development. Inside the Company Q: What does your firm do? A: Two billion times a day, P&G brands touch the lives of people around the world. Some of the nearly 300 P&G brands consumers know and use with confidence in more than 160 countries around the world include: Pampers®, Tide®, Ariel®, Always®, Whisper®, Pantene®, Bounty®, Pringles®, Folgers®, Charmin®, Downy®, Lenor®, Iams®, Crest®, Actonel®, Olay® and Clairol Nice ‘n Easy®. The P&G community consists of nearly 102,000 employees working in almost 80 countries worldwide. Please visit www.pg.com for the latest news and in-depth information about P&G and its brands.
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Legalboxer
| Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 7:33 pm
some good prospects though nothing that i am banking on - i faxed some more resumes today and got an immediate call back from one- its just clerking for a firm but still, its experience and money - i have to call them back - though i wasnt that gun-go about returning the call after listening to the voice on the message (kinda short and rushed) but i also got an email today from another place i really hope to get an interview at- the public defenders office i mentioned last week - they wanted an additional application form filled out for my file to be reviewed by the hiring committee- which i faxed over and they emailed me back that i would hear by early next week at the latest about a potential interview - so we will see about that.
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