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Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 8:53 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Anyone else watching it on NBC? Fascinating look at a tragic life. Here is someone who had everything, YET she had nothing. Her early years were very hard.

Daydreamer
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09-16-2003

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 8:55 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I just got home and put it on. I forgot it was on or I would have Tivo'd it. Seems very good so far.

Christy358
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07-31-2002

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 11:02 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Poor lady was hand picked by the queen to be a wife and a princess. How can you turn that down at 19?

and now they make more money from her sorrow.

I am not watching

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 11:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I watched it.

It was all very sad.

There she was, a very young woman who allowed herself to get swept up in this life that was a total lie. I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like knowing, as you're about to marry a man you love, that he doesn't love you and is in love with another woman. And the other woman is a guest at your wedding! Holy cow!

It's not a secret Charles is a jerk, but all those revelations make him seem even worse than what we thought.

The sad, sad thing is, it seems as though, at the time of her death, she had matured, felt comfortable with herself and was beginning to be happy.

It really does reinforce the idea that we need to be honest with ourselves and not waste our lives.

I'm looking forward to hearing the rest next week.

Texannie
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07-16-2001

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 4:43 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I missed the beginning, how did NBC get these tapes?

Sillycalimomma
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11-13-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 8:37 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Wow. I watched it last night. I think it is pretty sad. Sure shows that you can have all the material things in the world, but if you don't have love what good is it? Some people could live a sham, Diana obviously was not one of them. It is a great example of how one should live their lives to the fullest each day and not waste time in an unhappy environment.......

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 8:56 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Texannie, NBC bought the tapes from Andrew Morton's publisher for an undisclosed amount.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 9:00 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Texannie: The tapes belonged to Andrew Morton--the man who wrtoe her boiography. Diana wanted to participate in the writing of the book, but knew if anyone found out there would be trouble. So, Diana, Andrew Morton and a friend hatched a secret plan. Andrew Morton would type up questions and Diana's friend would bring the questions and a tape recorder to her and conduct the interviews.

The "shocking" revelation is that, at the time, Morton said the info he got for the book came from Diana's friends when, in fact, it was Diana herself who supplied him with all the details.


Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:21 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I found it sad that this beautiful young woman was so tortured. She was looking for a storybook romance (Prince Charming and Cinderella)and as most of us know these don't exist. She knew he loved Camilla and married him anyway.

I found her story to be eerie. She was so needy! My husband said that perhaps the Prince would have fallen in love with her if she had refused to marry him until he ditched Camilla for good. With all the demands on him more demands at home probably pushed him even farther away. She was such a child the way she handled his indescretion (throwing herself down the stairs?)sure that will make him love you!!

How sad..even the way she referred to her children was aloof to me. Sad, very sad..

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:55 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I doubt the the Prince would have fallen in love with Diana no matter what she did. He did not love her. He "loved" (or whatever) Camilla. If Diana would have said no, unless you..., he would have found someone else to marry and supply an heir to the throne. Plenty of willing women out there.

Colordeagua
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10-25-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 10:59 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I fell asleep during the last 10 minutes. Did NBC say anything about DVDs of the whole two-hour show?

Midlifer
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04-16-2003

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 1:10 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
No mention was made of the DVD's.

I found the story to be sad, but it didn't reveal anything new. Hearing Diana's voice made it even sadder. She was young, perhaps too idealisic, but was maybe "trapped" into this marriage. I don't believe, however, that Charles is as evil as he's always portrayed. I think that he was a product of that inbred Windsor family (the Royal Machine)and maybe doesn't know any better. As far as Camilla goes? YUCK!!!!!!!

Earthmother
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07-14-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 1:43 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
She trapped herself into that marriage. She admitted that she had serious doubts, but married him anyway. Perhaps she thought her pretty face would change him. He has always had a reputation for being a scoundrel and she knew that first hand. I'm finding it kind of hard to feel sorry for her.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 1:50 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Oh, I don't know Earthmother - when I was 19 I regularly couldn't find my own ass with my own hands. And here was the most eligible bachelor in the world dangling baubles, bangles and beads in front of her to go with all those idealistic, romantic notions young ladies can have. I find her circumstances very tragic, which is ludicrous considering the lifestyle which was laid at her feet. But why did she have no adult who loved her enough to say "don't do this?" She just seems to have had a life that was completely cast adrift from her earliest days - not a single anchor in sight. Ever.

Cassie
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07-15-2000

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 2:41 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
And besides, her face was already printed on the tea towels next to Prince Charming's.

Scorpiomoon
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06-06-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 4:45 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
The one thought that keeps going through my mind about this is: when she died, did Charles, or even Camilla, feel any remorse for their actions? It seemed as though everyone was selfish and motivated by their own agendas. Does anyone who played a role in this farce feel any guilt?

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 5:00 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
It's possible he did feel some guilt and maybe sadly relief, too.
I hope her greatest legacy is her children. She truly was a Royal for the people. She would have made a wonderful queen had circumstances been different. Let's hope her children reflect her compassion towards others.

Cjr
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08-11-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 6:23 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Cassie, your statement is what sticks in my mind the most about these tapes. Her family wanted her to go through with this also. I can't imagine that. It was very sad.

I think the Prince was in a no win situation also but at his age he should have handled things differently.

Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 6:34 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i believe diana was handpicked to marry charles because she was of acceptable station and a virgin.
they stayed on their honeymoon until she was pregnant with william. she had to be checked by a doctor to validate she was a virgin when she got married.
all these rules for the woman, and not for the men. i think half the reason there were so few women of acceptable rank/virginity left was because charles had already slept with them! i don't think they could find someone older than 19 who was still a virgin and of acceptable class.
did charles have to be a virgin? no.

she was a wonderful mother and i agree that her children are her legacy.

Rslover
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11-19-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 7:07 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
<<I don't believe, however, that Charles is as evil as he's always portrayed. I think that he was a product of that inbred Windsor family (the Royal Machine)and maybe doesn't know any better.>>

I think Charles is worse than Evil. He married Diana knowing he wasn't in love with her. Yes, he was pressured to marry a young virgin. Though, if he loved Camilla so much, that he had to cheat on his wife, he should have given up the throne for her. I feel so sorry for his son to have to learn that his father not only wanted a girl, but even disliked his red hair. He was cold and callous when she was sick. He even had the nerve to tell her she should have walked away to faint. Ridiculous. She even had to plan her delivery around his polo games. Not only did he comment on her belly (everyone should be as "fat" as her) he even used to comment on the music she listened to, etc. - everything. He stopped sleeping with her after she had the two kids but carried on with Camilla. The whole time, making Diana think she was imagining it all. I felt really bad for Diana because I do believe she loved this man. Diana was a pillar of strength, while she was going through all this she still found time to be compassionate and help the people of the world. I have no compassion for this man.

Twiggyish
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08-14-2000

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 7:08 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I agree. She was chosen for her acceptable attributes. She was very young and naive. She needed to realize her role was to bring into the world the heir and the spare. She was expected to play her role without question. He wanted a mousey quiet woman who would not demand anything. It probably didn't occur to him that she would expect anything else.


Tabbyking
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03-11-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 7:25 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
i have no compassion for charles, either. remember when he told camilla he wished he could be reincarnated as her tampon?
and this is the future king of england? ick!
diana had a tragic life and died before she could experience years of real love and happiness. other than her sons, i think her entire married life was hell.


Maris
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03-28-2002

Friday, March 05, 2004 - 7:31 pm   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
To me the biggest betrayal of Diana was her sister. Her sister was deeply into the court and from what I can remember at the time pressured her. Diana was young, sheltered and had a fantasy about what love would be. She came from parents who had an ugly divorce with her and her brother being the victims. She wanted more than anything to be accepted and stable. She just didnt get that she was a commodity.

The bottom line is she was only 19 when she was selected as the proper bride for a future king. She was still a kid. Charles had no sense of self. He was raised on what his obligation is. He didnt understand that his relationship with Camilla was an issue. There was obligation and there was the crown. Discreet relationships were acceptable.

I think they were both victims.

Goddessatlaw
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07-19-2002

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 1:04 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I can dig that, Maris. On the one hand, Charles was raised on royal obligation, hell with everything else. Diana was not, and had no training or means by with to deal with what was cast at her feet - royal family, public adoration, etc. I mean, I can't name another celebrity or royal who dealt with the kind of media onslaught and general public interest that Diana endured every day since she was 19. And to do that under the profoundly UN-public-friendly rules of the royals, well - no wonder they prefer to practice intermarriage. "Know your place, woman!"

On the other hand, I find Charles almost (the operative word being "ALMOST") as tragic a figure as Diana. A victim of the same machine, only more acquainted and comfortable with it by virtue of his upbringing. How long must he pay for marrying the wrong woman? The past can't be changed, hopefully they've all learned from it, let him find something resembling happiness. He seems to have grown into a fine father for his children in the absence of their mother. Sad that it took her death for him to realize his potential in this regard.

I still don't like seeing anything about William or Harry in the press. Enough already. Haven't the hounding of the press and the general public cost them enough?

Cassie
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07-15-2000

Saturday, March 06, 2004 - 7:13 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
Maris, good assessment of the situation, but for me the bottom line re Charles is that the man had absolutely no decency in regard to Diana. He was well in his 30's when he married her, so despite being a product of the "royal machine", you'd think if he had any innate decency as a man, his treatment of Diana would at least have been kinder if for no other reason than she WAS the mother of his children. I don't consider him evil; rather, cold and cruel in his indecency, both to Diana and Harry. (I understand that he questioned Harry's paternity.) It just blows my mind to read that the British public have accepted Camilla now, and I have to wonder if that's really true. Any Brits on board?

Midlifer
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04-16-2003

Monday, March 08, 2004 - 8:34 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
I see all of your points, but unless we're really behind those closed doors, listening in, we don't know ALL of the facts about either Charles or Diana. I agree with Maris's assessment of both of them being victims, HOWEVER, they both have/had minds/brains, and if things had been that bad, GET OUT of the relationship. Charles had the advantage of being older and wiser (?), but then there's that Royal Machine directing his every move. Bottom line: we're all responsible for our own actions, and it's time to stop putting the blame on others. (Please don't misunderstand me...I truly admire Diana in many ways, feeling less inclined to admire Charles, but there are always 2 sides to every issue.)

Purplecow
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12-08-2003

Saturday, March 13, 2004 - 7:39 am   Edit Post Move Post Delete Post View Post    
If only Diana had worn a seatbelt we would have been able to see if and how she blossomed with her new freedom. Very tragic.