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Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 07:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Cubs just got another home run, but still down 9-6 (Marlins in the lead.)

Still hoping for a miracle. LOL!

Anyway, as to the now infamous "Cub Fan Incident". As I said last night, I do not blame the fan at all. He did what most fans would do, go for a ball going foul. One would hope in a championship game fans wouldn't try so hard for a souvenier, but so it goes.

As others have written, the Cubs lost the game. They can't blame a fan or anything else. But, imo, that specific incident removed the Cubs players from the game mentally and they weren't able to get back in it. Is it the fans fault? Absolutely not. It's the Cubs fault for not shaking it off and focusing on the game.

Anyway, as I said, there's always next year. Dusty Baker isn't going anywhere and, overall, the Cubs have a young team. I think if they keep doing next year what they've done this year, they'll go to the postseason again.

While I'll be disappointed if the Cubs don't win tonight (and I'm thinking that's the way it's going), I'm cool with it. They have nothing to be ashamed of. They went so much farther than anyone ever expected.

On another note, way to go BoSox in forcing a game seven. I'll be watching tomorrow night.

Go Cubs! please!

Hamsterlady

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marlins 9 - Cubs 6

Bottom of the 8th now....

And BTW, I loved how they pointed out earlier in this game all of those other fans with their arms stretched out wanting to catch the ball from last night also. Yeah, maybe they were just pretending to try to catch the ball. <wink wink>

As has been said already, "hypocrites"

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Btw, it does kind of suck a big one that the Cubs were up 3 games to 1 and the Marlins are probably going to clinch by coming back. It doesn't happen often for sure.

And, I'll give it to the Marlins if they win. They wanted it more and are playing VERY well.

I may be a Cubs fan, but I'm also a baseball fan who appreciates good playing and good games. :)

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, and to add one more thing about the fan thing. I think it's terrible that people are ragging on him. Leave the guy alone. People need to grow up because, as Texannie said, it's just a game.

Man, people need to lighten up. LOL!

Hamsterlady

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Not looking good for the Cubs now....top of the 9th.

This sucks.

And now (if the Cubs lose tonight) Wendo, that guy will be forever known as causing the Cubs' curse to carry on.

Not fair to him. And an easy way out for the Cubs players.

Ketchuplover

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:07 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm hoping for a Red Sox win. If its Marlins & Yankees I might watch Clay Aiken sing the anthem but that's all I'll watch.

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hamsterlady, I see your point about the fan being known as the one to carry on the curse. Hopefully, after a few times have passed, people will get their perspective back and realize how ridiculous it is to blame ONE person. I agree with you, not fair to the guy. Blame the Cubs players, it was them who lost focus.

Well, bottom of the ninth, three at bats to turn it around. (They need 3 and it'll be tough to get with Urbina pitching for the Marlins.)

I prefer to look at it from a positive perspective; the Cubs made it to the NLCS, a feat to be proud of since it's been so difficult to do in the past. And, let's not forget, they did beat the Braves, one of the best teams in baseball during 2003.

Go Cubs in 2004! LOL!

Hamsterlady

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Marlins won it.

Congrats Marlins.

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well......bummer. And so it ends. :(

Onto 2004.

Tishala

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to give kudos to Pudge Rodriguez, who has been phenominal in the post season.

Kinda sad that Wood didn't come through in the 7th game, but the goat didn't want it.

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Man, considering my dream World Series was a Cubs vs Red Sox...I hope that doesn't jinx the BoSox tomorrow.

I'll now be rooting for them tomorrow...

Go Red Sox! :)


*sniff* Still love ya Cubbies! cubs

Reader234

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hush, hush...

A moment of silence please...

cubs

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tishala, yep, Pudge is playing very well this post season. Marlins just wanted it a little more I guess. Who'd a thought BOTH Prior and Wood wouldn't win.

As disappointed as I am, congrats to the Marlins. They played well and came back from a 3-1 deficit to pull it out. That doesn't happen often at all.

Man, some of the Cub fans at Wrigley just look so dejected. I think I saw a woman crying. Oh, theres another one crying.

Too bad the Bears are playing so badly. Can't even move on to them. Hahaha!

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops!

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oops!

Bronxie

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's to the ........ CUBS

Worthy Opponents, Honorable players,
Gentlemen, all.

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bronxie, congrats to you and your Marlins as well. Gotta say this, the Marlins and Cubs players have been much more honorable and well behaved than the Red Sox and Yankee players. Will be interesting to see what happens during their game 7 with Clemens and Pedro pitching again.

You know, one thing I am worried about for next year is, will Sosa stay with the Cubs? I believe his contract is up and he wants to get on a team where he can get to the World Series for sure. Will be interesting to see what players the Cubs will lose and gain for 2004.

On another note, I don't feel as bad as I thought I would. LOL! Maybe I'm just in shock. Hahaha!

Tabbyking

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 08:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i do hope the cubs fans can be mature enough not to blame that poor fan from yesterday. i was so upset at those who were putting the entire 8th inning on his attempt to catch the ball for yesterday's loss; i figured it would serve those fans right to lose tonight and my only concern was for yesterday's single fan!
then i realized there are many other great cubs fans, and i recalled that i didn't like being lumped in as 'those awful A's fans' when there was a problem at one of their playoff games...so, for those 'fair cubs fans', i am so sorry for you. and for those who are putting the blame in entirely the wrong place, it serves you right!
put yourself in that fan's place for one minute...it could have been any of you. my daughter is 15 and was concerned about him big time. (she asked me if i ever thought people who committed suicide had maybe been going along just fine and then there was one thing that made everything just unbearable for them.)
i was really hoping for a cubs world series. maybe next year.

Grooch

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YAY, MARLINS!!!!!!


And I feel bad for all you Cub fans. The Cubs are a great team, also, and I would have rooted for them in the world series if they had made it.

Wendo

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby, I'll tell ya one thing. As a Cubs fan, I would put myself in front of a camera if I could and say to those Cubs fans who blame the gentleman from last night for the Cubs loss in the LCS to grow up and get a life. IMO, they're not TRUE Cub fans at all. In fact, they're not true baseball fans. Additionally, if I could, I would email or write the guy and tell him that I don't blame him at all. If anything, the fans who continue to point to this guy are completely unwilling to point the finger at the Cubs players; where the blame belongs. The players lost focus and lost. Plain and simple. Period.

The Cubs lost. It's done. So be it. As Dusty said, this year was a foundation year and NO ONE expected the Cubs to get this far considering the fact they lost 95 games last year. I look at it this way. The foundation has been built (as evidenced by how far the Cubs DID get.) Just think what next year may bring! :)

Why can't people be optimistic even in the face of disappointment?

Hypermom

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Tabby, I agree about the fans placing blame on another fan. It disappointed me that some fans would do that and that some media outlets broadcasted and printed his name. As a Cub fan, I would have been looking up at that ball coming my way...not to catch it, but to get out of the way. lol Anyway, I'm proud of the ballplayers and the Cub's organization. They were a first class act 2 years ago to my husband and son, and they always will be, imo. I didn't think they'd make it this far so soon after Dusty came aboard, but they have nothing to be ashamed about in my book. Nothing comes easy for them, but there is next year.

WTG Cubbies!!

Tabbyking

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
those who have posted here are the cubs fans i like and admire, those who can see the one fan did nothing personally and specifically awful and that the cubs had an amazing run and went to the very last game prior to the world's series. that is awesome!
for you, i do wish the cubs had won. they did a mighty job. i love dusty baker--my favorite part of the s.f. giants for the last several years, actually!!
i expect to see the cubs out there next year, doing another bang-up job!!

Tishala

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's that Bartman guy who caused the Cubs to miss the world series. I say we kidnap his father, Homer, and torture him until Bartman gives himself up to us.

bartman

Beachcomber88

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am a lifelong diehard Cubs fan. I remember the collapse in 1984 like it was yesterday. The Steve Garvey heartbreak homerun. The ball through the wickets by Leon Durham - before this maneuver became later renamed as "the Bill Buckner". I remember the loss in 1989 to the Giants, with my favorite player Mark Grace being outplayed by an even better Will Clark. And now I will have this improbable 2003 series loss to also remember forever.

Those who grew up watching the Cubbies and their day games on WGN understand what a pennant would have meant to the city of Chicago. And that's why we are so passionate about our team. Those who aren't true Cubs fans don't know the pain and suffering that we feel each October as we repeat the mantra "Wait Til Next Year".

Crazydog, I agree with you about the fan. Before others here scream, I agree that he did not directly cause the Cubs to lose last night's game. But Steve Bartman's gaff was a momentum changer. And had Alou made the second out, Jeff Conine's sacrifice fly to Sosa would have been the third out. The game would still have been tied, 3-3, and anything could have happened. What is for certain is that the Marlins would not have tacked on five more runs to blow the game wide open in the eighth.

Dusty Baker was asked in the postgame press conference what he thought was the big turning point of the series. He paused briefly, and I believe that in his mind he was thinking about the fan. But politically, as a representative of the Cubs and the city of Chicago, he could not point out Steve Bartman's attempt for a souvenier. His answer? Josh Beckett's shutout performance on Sunday. Puh-leaze! C'mon Dusty, you were still up 3 to 2 after that one and going back home to Chicago. But your answer is befitting of the classy guy that you are and is not unexpected. In our hearts, we will know that it was the now infamous foul ball.

Will Steve Bartman ever be able to live this one down? It'll be extremely tough. He knows that he infuriated an entire city. He knows that he broke the hearts of millions. And he knows that his name now will be forever linked to the likes of Leon Durham, Bill Buckner, and Jeffrey Maier. We Cubs fans should begin a collection for his lifelong therapy sessions.

Tabbyking

Wednesday, October 15, 2003 - 10:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i don't believe he 'infuriated an entire city'.
if so, i am sorry for chicago and the small mindedness of so many of the population. i never heard of leon durhan or bill buckner or jeffrey maier, so i guess being linked to them will be 'nothing' to a lot of us.
i am disappointed when my A's don't win, but i don't place the blame where it shouldn't be placed. i feel sorry that the fan ( will everyone please quit saying his name as if he were a criminal?!) has to live among people who will blame him for something out of his control.
he did not cause the cubs to miss out on the world series! what is there a cubs team for, if all they need is one fan, sitting in the foul ball area?