Archive through November 12, 2003
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Archive through November 12, 2003
Whoami | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 04:05 pm     UFOs? Bigfoot? Nessie? I thought this might be a fun thread to discuss such things. Who knows, maybe we'll find someone here who is a fanatic about one of these subjects, and can give us an educational rundown of their reseach over the years. I just got done watching "Unsolved History" on the Discovery Channel. Great show (I always seem to just stumble across it, can't figure out yet when it's on regularly). Maybe it can inspire future topics in this thread... My first discussion for the thread will be UFO's (since that was the subject on Unsolved History today). I'll do it in a new post, so this one doesnt' get too long... |
Gidget | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 04:11 pm     UFOs yes. |
Ketchuplover | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 04:11 pm     Although I haven't seen any of them I believe they exist. |
Whoami | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 04:14 pm     OK, so...do I believe in UFO's? Yes...and no. First the no. I don't think some of the more famous sightings (such as Roswell) are real UFO incidents. For one thing, I don't see why the US Government would so adamantly deny the existence of extra-terrestrial life. What do they gain by denying that sort of thing? Also, with over 50 years of secret cover-ups, I find it impossible to believe that, with the nature of the human beast being the way it is, that these secrets could be kept so well for so long. There's just too many people willing to dig for the truth. And I can't see how 50 years of people knowing things would never ever be leaked out somewhere. Now for the yes. Not so much in UFO's per se. More so, I think I believe that extra terrestrial life can and probably does exist. A former manager of mine said it the best...we would be terribly naive (and arrogant, actually) to think that, in the entire Universe, with so many planets, and with so many elements that could support life, that the Earth is the only planet that does. I actually have a lot more to say. But I need to formulate my brain into readable words. Besides, I don't want to end up with a two-page long post. And I want to see what others think too. |
Gidget | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 04:33 pm     Exactly what Who said. |
Reiki | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 08:05 pm     Yes I do. My mother would kill me for telling this, but she saw one once. We were living in Orange, Texas. She was at the grocery store waiting for the bags to be loaded into the car when she saw a strange object hovering in the air over the KFC across the street. The next day in the paper there were all kinds of reports of people seeing the same strange object. It wasn't a weather balloon or anything like that. Now I'm not saying that this object was necessarily an alien space ship, but it no one knew what it was (unidentified), it was airborne (flying) and it existed (object). I'm with Whoami on the idea of life on other planets. It's very probably out there somewhere. Or its in the 8th Dimension |
Squaredsc | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 08:08 pm     i believe in aliens and ghosts. in fact i saw a ghost when i was younger. |
Egbok | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 09:22 pm     I've seen a UFO and I've seen a ghost or a spirit. UFO was bizarre and I really can't describe what I saw. It was more of what I felt and believe me, I've never had that sensation since and I don't want to ever again. Ghost/Spirit was my friend. I knew he died before anybody because he came to say good-bye to me and he told me he would be going away. He wasn't sick or old, he was killed in an auto accident many years ago and well...he came to say good-bye and I saw him, and heard him even though he didn't speak. I know this sounds weird but it did happen to me. |
Kaili | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 09:53 pm     Reiki- your mom would kill you for telling that? My mom tells people she was abducted! LOL- who knows but her story is her, my aunt, and a friend of theirs were walking on this one street when they were kids- more of a small neighborhood- one enterance in and the road basically just loops around. It was a sort of isolated area (lots of trees, not really in town) when I grew up so I'm sure it was more so 30 or so years earlier. Bluebird Lane. Her story pretty much is simply that they all experienced time loss- about 5 hours I believe. No memory of anything happening- just all lost time. Weird. I agree though...why wouldn't there be anything out there anywhere? And I've always wondered why scientists are so adament about planets being able to support life or not. They mean our life- carbon based, oxygen sucking, cerain gravitational pull and temprature needs life. Why can't there be some kind of organism that thrives on sulfur or something? Kryptonite I also think it's a bit questionable when "aliens" are given such human characteristics. Why? Sure, it's possible, but how likely? I do believe in ghosts/spirits and I have a story to go with it- the day that made me go from thinking "maybe" to "yes". Too long for right now though. It's midnight and my check messages feature isn't working so I need to continue wading through the threads the hard way before I go to bed |
Crossfire | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 09:57 pm     UFOs? Bigfoot? Nessie? Qualified Yes*, no, no. They probably exist, but it's just as likely that we will probably never actually see one. The whole distance/time thing prevents this. |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:17 pm     some things, definitely. i saw ghosts when i was little when we lived in a victorian in los gatos. i screamed at my dad to stop the car on the way to yosemite and he came to a screeching halt and turned around to whup my butt for scaring the hell out of him--when a huge rock slide came down where we would have been. i told the nuns at school that our very young priest had 'something wrong in his head' and needed to see a doctor right away and was sent home from school for 'causing a ruckus'. the priest died that night of a brain aneurysm. i was 7. my dad had worked with a man in santa clara for a few years in lumber sales. we had a cabin up at donner lake. when i was maybe 10 years old, we had a huge snowstorm and were snowed in. about 10:00 p.m. on christmas eve, there was a pounding at the door. my dad said, "who could that be?" and i said, "it's grant, daddy." my dad said, "grant lives in new york. i haven't seen him for 2 years at least and he doesn't even know we own this cabin." and he opened the door, and there was grant! "surprised!?" he asked us. "nope, i wasn't!", i said. my dad just looked at me with his mouth open! i have had a few times of 'lost time' and i have seen people wearing things that they didn't get yet. for example, when i was about 15 or 16 and shared a room with my sister, i woke up one early morning. the clock said 3:40. in the glow of a nightlight, i saw this young man with blond curls standing in a corner of the room, wearing a black and white houndstooth jacket with white fleece collar and lining. i got up and walked to him. when i got to the corner, he was gone. i went back to bed and looked at my clock. it was almost 2 hours later. i remember wondering what had happened to the time! a few days later, i was visiting a girlfriend and her dad in a town about 20 miles away. the dad said, 'let me show you what i got steve for christmas. i hope it fits him.' and i said, "is it a black and white houndstooth jacket with fleece lining and collar?" and the dad said, "yes, how did you know!?" and i said, "it fits him perfectly." i had never met steve before. i have always had strange things happen. they just seem normal to me! |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:24 pm     but a UFO would scare the hell out of me! i read part of whitley what's his name's book about being taken from his room even with alarms on the house and having orifices probed.....i think i read about 20 pages and had to throw the book out! i remember that he said the aliens were short and i was pregnant with dd. ds was 2 and he was short! dh would go to work when it was still dark and sometimes ds would walk down the hall and stand in our doorway with the nightlighted hall behind him. i would wake up and see this short thing and about have a heart attack! i so DO NOT want to do the whole ufo thing, and always figured i was just their type. knock on wood! when i was on the grand jury and had to go to do prison inspections and middle of the night interviews, i hated being the only grand juror from our side of the county. i would have to travel 2 lane roads in the middle of the night for 35 miles all by myself and kept thinking, "don't come now! don't come now!" |
Kaili | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:25 pm     Wow! What weird, fun stories, Tabbyking!!! I think that's pretty cool. Do you have more? Does it still happen? Look at me not in bed yet...tsk. I have got to remember to tell my the day Jerry died story and the shared dream story (a reminder to myself for tomorrow) |
Faerygdds | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:38 pm     I can't belive I'm getting into thi conversation... LOL OK... Yes I believe in UFOs. I believe that the probability of extra terrestrial life is very high. It is a BIG universe! I think that *IF* there is advanced life in the cosmos, then it is POSSIBLE that they could have visited and/or studied us. Now.. having said that... I don't think every UFO is alien... most are just unidentified flying objects. And I'm not sure if any aliens have EVER entered our atmosphere... talk about waffling... Ghosts - ABSOLUTELY! Great story... I have always been a believer in the spirits ad extra sensory perception. Even at the tender age of 7 I had "experiences" that were unexplainable. In my 20s, my mother, wanting to test me showed me a photo of a friends house. She asked me to look at it an tell me what I though (with NO qualifiers). My response was something onlong the lines of... it's a nice water vase, but the ghost is ore interesting. "Ghost?" she said. I told her, yes, the woman standing behind the table in the dress. Looks to be very old... maybe late 1800's -- VERY expensive. I described her in great detail, including the feeling that I got that she was jealous. Turns out that there were some "weird happenings" at the friends house -- which was recently bought. Another story when I was around 12 involved my grandmother, a voice in her kitchen, a strange message, and a huge family revelation. Yeah.. I think ghosts a VERY real. Nessie??? Bigfoot??? I think *something* lives in the lake, but I doubt it's a prehistoric throwback. Same with bigfoot. Now that I've opened myself up to questions and ridicule... go for it....
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Tabbyking | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:44 pm     i seem to cycle about every 7 years. since i am 49, this year should have some strange 'feelings of happenings', i would think! i was very psychic at ages 7, 14, 21, etc. i remember going to the fair with my cousins when i was 14--about 3 weeks before my birthday, actually. my cousin swore she wouldn't swing the cage if i went on this ride with her. we waited til our turn came and all of a sudden, i just couldn't do it. 'it's going to break', i told her. she got mad because her mom wouldn't let her go alone. so we got out of line. some big bolts fell out of one of the cages (it was like a small ferris wheel and all the cages went up and over like on a ferris wheel, but you could also swing your cage.) and the cage fell off the ride. no one was killed, luckily, but they did get hurt. i don't know if it was the cage we would have gotten, but my gut instint was that it was. for 2 big earthquakes in the so-cal area, i called my husband at work both times and said, 'was there a big earthquake this morning?!' and he said, 'no'. and maybe 20 minutes later, the first reports came in on earthquakes that happened 10 or 15 minutes after i called my dh. he started telling people at work when i'd ask strange questions. oh, also when i was 14, i used to babysit for 4 little boys down the street for entire weekends. one time, the mom called to finalize the times and my sister took the call and the job. i told her, "if you go, something will happen. it will be loud and it will be scary." she went to my parents and told them to tell me to take it back. LOL i don't recall what they did, but i did get the job. i guess i didn't realize the big scary thing was going to happen no matter who was babysitting! about 2:00 a.m. the water heater in the garage 'exploded' and scared the heck out of me! |
Tabbyking | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:49 pm     i have many, many stories of our victorian home in los gatos. maybe i'll sit down and spill some of them later! off to bed now. sleep tight, everyone!! |
Sia | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 10:55 pm     Something really weird happened to me when I was about 17 or so. I was awake and lying in bed upstairs in my parents' house at night, when a beam of light entered and then filled the window, brightening the room until I couldn't see anything. My body became rigid and I shook hard all over for a minute or more, unable to move anything--even my eyes. The beam of light suddenly narrowed and withdrew from the room. We lived waaayyy out in the country with no other house within miles. I had the distinct feeling of being observed by someone while this was happening--but my room was on the second floor. There was no way any human could have been at my bedroom window. Cue X-Files theme! In addition, I've had an out-of-body experience on two separate occasions. The first occurred when I was, momentarily, in danger of being hurt. The second occurred when I wrecked my car (during a waking-blackout, described below). During my teens, 20s and most of my 30s I experienced short blocks of "missing time" routinely. I also couldn't feel anything (with my hands, etc.) quite often. I moved through my life like a zombie--but was not on any medications, drugs, or under the influence of any amount of alcohol at all, so that's not the reason for my condition at those times. |
Twinkie | Tuesday, November 11, 2003 - 11:29 pm     UFOs? I don't know. Other life in the universe? Absolutely. Do I think we'll ever meet them? No. Ghosts? I don't know. Normally I'm not a big believer in ghosts but there was one experience in my life that was pretty scary. When I was very young around 6 or 7 my sister and I slept in bunkbeds. She was around 13 or 14 at the time. We always slept with the hall light on and our door open. One night we BOTH saw the shadow of a man in a hat in the hall. We shakily whispered do you see that? and we both said yeah...then we starting screaming. Dad ran out of their bedroom and searched the whole house. Nothing. That's the only episode I've ever had with anything that could possibly be called a ghost. The house we have lived in now for 4.5 years is 120 years old and built over an old pauper's cemetary and nary a ghost to be found. LOL |
Faerygdds | Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 12:40 am     Cemetaries mean nothing. My grandmother lives in a house where the yard backs up to a cemetary. Nary a spirit. Meanwhile, my mother rented a house that was less than 10 years old once and they had a spirit. Took me forever to convince her. And actually I didn't. I told her that I hated sleeping in the guest room. That at night it got icy cold and I felt like I was being strangled and couldn't breathe. She bawlked (at the time she didn't believe that I was "sensitive" to that kind of thing). After my grandfather died, my grandmother (also sensitive) moved in with her for a period of time. On her third day she started mentioning that she thought someone was watching her in the room at night. Mom thought it was my grandpa -- watching over her. A few days later Mom woke to yelling. Someone, according my grandmother, had tried to strangle her in the guest room. Suddenly she was a believer. Not so much in spirits... she had always believed in those. But in my "sensitivity". Needless to say that she has moved several times since then and each time I'm asked to check out the house and/or land first. <sigh> If only this were a MARKETABLE skill! |
Adven | Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 04:50 am     I'm a cynic and therefore don't believe in anything. I think there is likely extra-terrestrial life, but since the nearest star system is some 20 million light years away and since the laws of physics strongly suggest nothing can go faster than the speed of light, I doubt we'll ever run into them. |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 06:10 am     UFO's, yes. There have been many unidentified flying objects seen over the years. Do I believe they land and probe our anus's is another question. A lot of speculation and lore is attached to the lights in the sky. I seperate those bright objects from what has been said they contain and do. |
Kaili | Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 06:39 am     I'm loving this thread! Thanks Whoami! Now, the dream story I think I'm not going to bother with- it was weird but has nothing to do with spirits/ghosts/UFOs/Bigfoot/Nessie/etc Earlier in the day... When my best friend and I were in 10th grade...we had history in the morning (second hour I think). During class the teacher, Jerry, got pretty worked up and this guy whose name I don't remember told him to calm down because he was going to have a heart attack. By the way- really, really cool teacher. Loved him! Anyway, around lunch time Jerry went into this little office. The school is old and his classroom was in the west wing which was basically a different older school building that the rest of the school was built on to. There was a nurses office that no one used very often- we didn't have an always there nurse- she ust came for scoliosis testing, vision testing, etc. Anyway- little office with a bathroom attached. I used to go in there alll the time for the bathroom and because there was a phone in there and that way I didn't have to spend money to make a phone call. Okay- my point- around lunch Jerry went into the bathroom there and had a heart attack. He died that day at school. My actual story has nothing to do with Jerry, it's just that it happened that day and I don't know if it was that happening that spurred this or what the deal was. Just weird. So Jerry dies and the school is basically chaos with kids crying all over in the halls and the teachers crying and trying to deal with the kids. My friend Carolyn and I left and went to her house. She had insisted for years that she's seen ghosts at that house. There was a story where she was little and her mom was holding her sister. She said something to her mom about the woman in the other room. Anyway, again- back to that day. We went back to her house and pretty much were just talking and not doing much. Her dog started acting really weird and I don't remember the details anymore but we worked ourselves up or the atmosphere that day worked itself up that we both were just absolutely freaked out. It's hard to explain the layout of the house, but there's a front area with the stairs to the left when you walk in and the living room is kind of around the corner from that. Well, her dog was barking at the stairs (it's an open staircase to the room). We got ourselves all brave and were holding onto eachother creeping over to the stairs and up them. This is more or less when I swear we both saw a woman standing at the top of the stairs. I had never believed her many stories about the woman before that, but we both saw her. Her dog must have sensed or saw her too. So basically end of the story we ran back downstairs and her mom came home from work to the two of us sitting under the kitchen table with the dog in the room with us. We weren't crying or clinging to eachother or anything like that, we were just sitting under the table talking and calming ourselves. The dream story was from a night I slept over there too but it was simply just that we woke up in the middle of the night and both said we had this weird dream- as I started telling her baout mine, it turned out that she had had the exact same dream and we both woke at the same time to talk about it. The dream was about the two of us, but we both had the exact same details of it down to what this little boy in the dream said to us, what the street we were on looked like, etc. Weird stuff always happens to us when we're together. I think it's fun |
Fruitbat | Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 06:48 am     My mother and her husband lived on a sail boat. On their way to the Carribean, they watched 3 large, bright, oval lights in the sky for 30 mins or more fly around, regroup and generally give a little show, often at a staggeringly high speed. Her husband, the sceptic, was humbled and grudgingly had to admit they were not weather ballons or aircraft. |
Jed245 | Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 07:06 am     Magic in a young girl's heart. How the music can free her whenever it starts. And it's magic if the music can move ya And don't just hold tight that it never can lose ya. Your feet start tapping. And you can't seem to find. If it's surely real, Or just a state of mind. Sorry I know it's not the topic of the thread, but, EVERYTIME I see it on new messages I feel the urge to come in and sing that song. :o) Jed |
Kaili | Wednesday, November 12, 2003 - 07:17 am     Thanks- now I have my own song that's going to pop into my head even though it's not a whole song. You know that one..."Do you believe in miracles (then I think it goes "ah- you sexy thing")" and the guys voice gets a little higher when he sings the word miracles? I think it might be on a commercial or something. |
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