The Female Breast Thread: Discussion
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The Female Breast Thread: Discussion
Maris | Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 11:56 am     Excellent posts DJ girl and Karunna. My reasons are not based on any painful experience but just a knee jerk reaction to any jokes which promote the idea of women as mere objects that are on this planet to somehow serve the pleasure of others. It bothered me that a man, who probably just didnt realize how some might take it, thought he was having a lighthearted moment at the expense of women. I dont agree with the idea that one has to be ashamed of their body to be bothered by these jokes. It isnt about shame, or whether breasts are sexual objects or mere tissue. If it was a thread dedicated to my stupid blonde assistant, I would be bothered by that as well. It is all about encouraging detrimental behavior by men that should have been eliminated twenty years ago. I also believe that if I am silent about this as in other things, how can I expect the behavior to stop. |
Karuuna | Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 12:12 pm     <<... any jokes which promote the idea of women as mere objects that are on this planet to somehow serve the pleasure of others>> Exactly, Maris! Fluff, are you running for a political office?  |
Mosessupposes | Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 01:19 pm     It just surprises me that only a few people seem to understand the underlying offensiveness of both these threads. No...I am not offended by the subject matter. The subject matter doesn't concern me in the least. What offends me is the lighthearted responses of a majority of the posters to something many women should take quite seriously. Go back and read through this whole thread. There are many serious and eloquent posts by Hermione69, Karuuna, and Maris. Scattered in between are a lot of frivolous joking responses. Yesterday I used the term "giggling schoolgirls" and got smoked for it. This seemed to offend more posters than the initial intent behind these threads. Breasts are not just "two gobs of fat" to a fully funtioning male. Hugh Hefner and Playboy Magazine would have gone out of business a long time ago if this was true. People who have been sexully harassed realize that breasts are not viewed as "two gobs of fat" to the harasser. It is really demeaning to be made the butt of a joke, not realize you are the butt of a joke, and then add even more to the indignity by laughing at the joke. That is just what the initial poster to these threads wanted. Okay...I am done sermonizing and preaching. I apologize in advance if you find my post offensive. I will now cease and desist. |
Marysafan | Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 01:37 pm     Wow...well said and eloquently spoken. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 02:19 pm     We're all entitled to our opinions. Moses, you made a generalized judgement by calling us giggling school girls. Following your philosophy, I could think of a name to call those who disagree, but I have too much respect for other posters to post it. (just saying IF I thought of one) I just don't see the big deal and TRUST me, I am very aware of sexual harassment. I've had this happen to me in the workplace. I've worked with women in crisis in the past, as well. The thread didn't strike me as that serious. We all have different perceptions of situations. |
Karuuna | Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 02:38 pm     Twiggy, on one hand I see your point. We all have different sensibilities about what's funny and what's not. On the other hand, I think there are some situations that it can be globally said it's not okay to joke about them. The question is which area this falls into. Some folks think it falls into the too offensive to joke about category, some don't. Which is kind of different than just finding some things funny, and some not. For example, I don't find flatulence jokes funny. But that falls into the area of different perceptions, no biggie. I also don't find racist jokes funny. That falls into the area of unacceptable humor. I find the stereotyping of guys as sex-hungry and willing to fondle anyone as unacceptable and demeaning to men. I find groping women jokes unacceptable, and as Maris put it so eloquently above, it treats women as objects. And that's where the dispute comes in. If you find something unacceptable and demeaning, it's a good thing to stand up against it, in my opinion. |
Twiggyish | Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 02:42 pm     Exactly. That's very true. Kar. I can see where your point. As you know, I'm one to stand up to an issue myself. |
Adven | Monday, February 17, 2003 - 06:22 am     I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but I've been away for a few days and haven't had much of an opportunity to respond. Kar, you suggested I started this thread and then disappeared, apparently uninterested in discussing the issue. As I said, I've been away and I never really started this thread to express my views. They're pretty apparent. What I did sense was that some people were unhappy with the other thread and I wanted to start a "serious" thread so they could comfortably discuss their objections. I simply felt that the joking tone of the other thread made it difficult for anyone to do so. I have read every response in this thread and appreciate people taking the time to voice their opinions. I don't agree with all of them, but I do respect them. I can't promise I won't start an equally ridiculous thread in the future, but I do promise to be more aware of the feelings and opinions of others when I do.... Well, I'll try. Sensitivity is not something I'm really skilled at. |
Ginger1218 | Monday, February 17, 2003 - 06:29 am     Adven, I hope you do start more humorous threads. I need to laugh. Otherwise there is so much intensity and nastiness that I have to go away and lighten up - so your posts bring a smile to my face. I love to laugh. |
Karuuna | Monday, February 17, 2003 - 08:12 am     Adven, I believe you said at the beginning that you would like to hear why some found it offensive. I apologize if I mistook that as inviting a discussion that would include you. Communication and intent is difficult in real life, even more so on a message board. For the most part I find your humor quite funny. But as I said above, we all draw somewhat different lines about what's offensive. I appreciate your "listening" to the objections here, and using them to perhaps evaluate your future thread-starting. And don't worry if you step into being insensitive again. I'm sure someone around here will be bringing it to your attention.  |
Adven | Monday, February 17, 2003 - 09:41 am     Thanks, Kar. |
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