75th Anniversary of the Oscars
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75th Anniversary of the Oscars
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Melfie1222 | Monday, March 24, 2003 - 10:16 pm     OK, anyone who is interested please suggest to me where I can propose that this thread be taken..where this issue has a chance of being heard, and I will calmly find my way there. Because once again I have a hard time ignoring that response. |
Scorpiomoon | Monday, March 24, 2003 - 10:37 pm     Can I be the one to say we are done debating this issue? Maris, I respect your passion. I don't think your outrage is misdirected at all. But we do have differing opinions. I had to post my perspective because I love his work so much and I can't help but defend him. Brenda1966: You did a much better job at presenting an argument than I would have. Thank you for eloquently saying what I wanted to. And to everyone else, sorry for tangling up this thread. Truce? |
Abby7 | Monday, March 24, 2003 - 10:46 pm     Melfie: I respect your opinion. Why don't you just start a new thread. You make the decision on your own where to take the thread and what to call it. Don't leave it up to us. |
Melfie1222 | Monday, March 24, 2003 - 11:35 pm     Abby, thanks.. I'll leave it for now. |
Abby7 | Monday, March 24, 2003 - 11:50 pm     Okay Melfie, but I'm sure there is a thread worth starting if you want to. |
Yuhuru | Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 04:23 am     I really enjoyed the Oscars, and personally needed to see something else other than the images of war. Re: polanski/O.J. comparison, let's not forget that OJ was aquitted. And no, I'm not a fan of OJ. |
Ddr1135 | Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 05:07 am     My favorite moment of the Oscars: 1. Steve Martin's video clip of people who had slept with him 2. Kathy Bates' reaction to Steve Martin's comment of her being in hot tub with everyone 3. Peter O'Toole's acceptance speech 4. Adrien Brody planting that kiss on Halle Berry and she kicking one leg up in true Hollywood fashion |
Crazydog | Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 07:54 am     The "people who have slept with Steve Martin" clip was perhaps the most hilarious moment of the night. I loved Nicole and Halle's shocked expressions, and Julie Andrews' thumbs up! |
Riviere | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 03:22 am     I forgot to say... My son is over there... I'm sure everyone here in our free USA supports him and his patriotism for USA freedom and his own decision at age 20 to help an oppressed country be free.. Thank you.. And people like Michael Moore can bite me... |
Goddessatlaw | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 06:32 am     Tell it, Riviere. Bless his heart, and yours too. |
Bastable | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 09:10 am     This does not absolve Roman Polanski of what he did, but here's some more spice for the pot: How many people remember that in August of 1969, a few years before all this other stuff happened, Polanski's wife Sharon Tate, who was eight months pregnant with his child, was brutally butchered in his home, along with four other people, by followers of Charles Manson? That's enough to screw anyone up. Again, it's not an excuse by any means. But I think many people have forgotten about the root of some of his abuse issues. I also think that The Pianist is a beautiful movie, FWIW, that will lift many spirits and change lives for the better. Again, he's not off the hook. But it makes things more complicated. |
Maris | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 10:55 am     Bastable his emotional state probably began when he was in a concentration camp. But you know, people like Simon Wiesenthal survived torture and the murder of his family and led useful and valuable lives. Yes his wife was murdered. Polanski also "discovered" Natasha Kinski when she was 16 years old when he was photographing her for a magazine (sound like a familiar modus operandi) and he was forced to live in France because of his illegal relationship with her as well and the outrage at the time. He is a pedophile and I find it incomprehensible that behavior is tolerated because he is an artist. he continues to get funded, people flock to his movies and the victim is blamed. I havent seen the Pianist and will not go see it just as I wont go to a Woody Allen movie either. I wont finance people who prey on children. |
Texannie | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 12:13 pm     Maris, I totally agree with everything you said. |
Rissa | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 01:07 pm     Maris <standing O> I saw something about the victim not blaming him as justification for his being forgiven. But actually what she said in the article I read was that she has no negative feelings towards him anymore and no sympathy either. All of which is besides the point of his guilt anyway. His background might be an explanation but it's not an excuse... he was an adult with access to professional help if he was so disturbed. I also won't go to a Woody Allen movie, don't really care that his incesteous relationship is lasting longer then most marriages. Doesn't justify how it began IMO. Just as an aside. These two men do not occupy any considerable or even trivial amount of my attention. But I have and we all need to have certain behaviors we just won't accept and a standard of morality we follow. It's a very small thing to just not see these mens films. It really is the LEAST I can do. |
Tishala | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 01:30 pm     I still really enjoyed the Oscars. |
Brenda1966 | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 03:32 pm     What I really came here to say was: SPIRITED AWAY is being re-released to theaters this week. If you have any love of animation, I suggest you go see it. It's an amazing film. But since the Polanski discussion hasn't died... I think there is a difference between a pedophile and a dirty old man. A dirty old man likes young chicks, a pedophile likes children, pre-pubescent sexually immature children. I don't think this girl was a "child" in his eyes (he asked her if she was on the pill for goodness sakes!) I don't excuse Polanski for his behavoir, I just don't see it as severe as you do because of the circumstances of her adult-like behavior and Polanski being led to believe she was older. I don't see him as a pedophile, but a dirty old man. Comparing this case to OJ, who "allegely" murdered the mother of his children, nearly severing her head, is like comparing oranges to crab apples. My question is: what happened to this girl's mother? WAs she ever punished for her behavior in this? I suspect not. |
Maris | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 03:36 pm     The issue is not whether the victim is a child in the perpetrators eyes. Elizabeth's Smarts kidnapper thought of her as his wife. By the way Elizabeth Smart (14) was older than this girl when she was raped. In my mind that guy kidnapped and raped a child. The mother agreed to polanski a famous director photographing her daughter for a french magazine. It isnt like she told Larry Flynt he could take photos of her daughter. The crime was committed by Polanski and nobody else. |
Brenda1966 | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 03:37 pm     I never know when to quit... but I forgot to mention that someone here said "he drugged her". I don't see it that way AT all. He didn't spike her punch. He didn't slip a mickey in her drink. They drank together and did drugs together. Is it wrong for him to do this? Of course! It's illegal to provide alcohol to a minor. But providing is far different than "drugging". I'm quite certain we won't change each other's minds about this. I'm just trying to explain why I don't see his crime as severely. Interesting discussion. And, yes, I do go see Woody Allen movies. What can I say? He makes me laugh. |
Ophiliasgrandma | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 03:37 pm     I think it's pretty much become law all over that after a woman/girl says NO that it becomes rape. |
Brenda1966 | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 03:45 pm     I swear this is my last post on this. I'll try not to ramble... I don't think any blanket assumptions can be made about people based on age. Elizabeth Smart at 14/15 may be very emotionally immature and unsophisticated while the Polanski girl may be acting quite mature. I think each case has to be examined separately. The courts do this when they prosecute some juveniles as adults for commiting adult crimes, and yet keep others in the juvenile system for the same crime. I think it depends on the juvenile. I don't think the guy who kidnapped Smart is a pedophile. I think he's a horrible religious zealot who's out of touch with reality and found a "wife" who was young enough to control, but if he were a pedophile I'm sure he would have taken the younger daughter. One interesting thing about the Smart case: I saw an interview with a guy who had seen Elizabeth weeks before her rescue. He said he never thought it was her because he thought the girl kidnapped was a "child" and this person he saw was a young woman and was tall. Enough from me... this post is way OT now! |
Scorpiomoon | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 06:02 pm     400th post! Yay! |
Melfie1222 | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 06:48 pm     Saw this on imdb.com today... Moore "Delighted" with Speech Reception Bowling For Columbine director Michael Moore was delighted with the response to his anti war tirade when accepting an Oscar for best documentary. Moore didn't think he was going to win the Oscar at the Sunday ceremony - and thought he might remain silent if he did. Before the awards he said, "I may say nothing - just ask for a moment of silence and stand there for those 45 seconds." But he's delighted he changed his mind. Despite a generally unimpressed reception from the audience, he labels the response to his out-burst "wonderful." He added, "The people that seemed to disagree with it all seemed to be in one section - up in the balcony." |
Zeno39 | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 06:54 pm     I am with you, Riviere, that Michael Moore can bite me too! One thought, which I am reasonably sure you all will disagree with- I agreed with George C. Scott when he said that he didn't believe in having a big overly expensive bash to give awards to people who are just doing their job. That s what they picked as a career, he said, and why should it come to giving awards for it? He did not show up to receive his award for Patton, and that was why. Please don't hit me in the gut for saying this. |
Bastable | Wednesday, March 26, 2003 - 06:54 pm     He certainly got people talking, and that was his intention. |
Riviere | Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 03:00 am     Good point Zeno, actors have enough fame without that fancy "I acted better than you" stuff don't they? A better name for the Oscars would be the Ego awards.. Today many use the oscars for the personal political propaganda pulpit, you know, the ones we won't be seeing much of anymore.. I think it was in poor taste for Michael Moore the big Hollywood blab flab to show anti patriotric opinions to our fellow Americans now fighting to stay alive and free an oppressed country.. Go, Michael Moore, as in go away! He's the kind of guy who would whine about his career being very limited in Iraq, so I hope his career in America is now over, period.. He forgets that 'little people' out here with brothers, sons, fathers, mothers, daughters, cousins, sisters we love more than him mean much more to us than his silly and petty opinions and film career ever did... |
Zeno39 | Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 05:32 am     RIGHT ON! |
Julieboo | Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 07:21 am     Just out of curiousity, how many have you seen Bowling for Columbine or Roger & Me? |
Brenda1966 | Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 09:02 am     Julieboo, I have not seen either. I will rent Bowling when it comes out on DVD because I live in Colorado and am curious. I thought Moore looked like an <modK> at the Oscars. Other people made anti-war statements in a respectful and sensitive way, not in the loud, obnoxious way he did. But Moore is all about being loud and obnoxious so I wasn't surprised at all. Saw a commercial for SPIRITED AWAY last night. I swear I'm going to post here about that movie every day until someone goes and sees it! Disney dropped the ball in releasing it the first time -- I'm so glad they're throwing back into the theater. |
Alegria | Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 06:06 pm     It was noticeable that the Oscars were more sensible this year with less ostentation (no $1,000,000 shoes and less talk about the value of the jewels). There seemed to be an overall effort to be less decadent. I really thought it was a hoot that Joan & Melissa were banned from the front and had to do their commentary while watching the arrivals on TV (just like everybody else). I agree with Ddr1135's list. |
Squaredsc | Thursday, March 27, 2003 - 06:08 pm     the red carpet is what i love most about the oscars, lol. |
Riviere | Friday, March 28, 2003 - 03:15 am     Julie ~ I know him and his movies, he was a star atalker when he started his career, I was just a fellow partygoer in MI.. He has 0 friends as I understand it now in MI since he doesn't repay his loans.. |
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