Archive through March 18, 2003
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Archive through March 18, 2003
Jo_5329 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 05:54 am     Car -- hope we never meet in person -- I'm sure you'll end up hating me within 3 seconds by how I say something -- Jo |
Car54 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 06:20 am     Nope, Jo, I actually am capable of disagreeing with someone without hating them. I believe I said I disagreed with Mr Bush, not that I hate him. I don't hate very many people. The only reason I take issue with pronunciation here is because this speech is purported to represent our country to the rest of the world. I wish if someone was going to speak for the entire country they would take the time to learn to pronounce the words correctly. This is in the news after every speech...you would think one of the "handlers" would help with this. This is a man who comes from a highly literate, educated family who had an education many people wish they had a chance for. I make just as many grammatical and spelling errors as anyone, but I am only speaking for me...not an entire country...if I was, I would practice. |
Marysafan | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 06:26 am     I didn't watch...I watched hockey. Which is as close to war as I can stand. I htink we should put Saddam and GW on skates...give 'em sticks and let them go at it. Now THAT I just might tune if for. |
Car54 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 06:45 am     Mary, I would watch too. And I hate watching hockey. I bet GW would win too...Sadaam does not look like a skater to me. |
Kristylovesbb | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 06:47 am     http://www.m-w.com/home.htm President Bush does not pronounce the word nuclear incorrectly. This site has audio pronunciations so you can hear the word pronounced. |
Djgirl5235 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 07:00 am     Kristy - if you look at the pronunciation guide right underneath the wave files, you will see that it is to be pronounced: Nuc-lee-rrr I have the same problem with the british pronunciation of aluminum. There isn't another "i", neither is there an additional "u" in nuclear |
Dahli | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 07:19 am     Hey Donut, I'll be waitin' at the border... with my head in the sand, just look for the lovely tail feathers... |
Nimtu | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 07:31 am     I just attached a few paragraphs of this with a link. Pronunciation is an interesting thing, however, I agree with the author that it is not an indicator of intelligence. The president has been much castigated for his pronunciation of the word nuclear as ''NOO-kyuh-luhr.'' Dictionaries prefer a pronunciation in line with the spelling, either as ''NOO-klee-uhr'' or ''NYOO-klee-uhr.'' As Jesse Sheidlower of the Oxford English Dictionary noted in a recent article in The New York Times'' Confronting 'NOO-kyuh-luhr' Proliferation''), past presidents,including Eisenhower and Ford, also said nuclear the way George W. Bush does. Jimmy Carter had a different though still ''nonstandard'' way of saying nuclear (sounding something like ''NYOO-kee-uhr''), and he did graduate work in nuclear physics. The trouble with nuclear, according to Enid Pearsons,pronunciation editor emeritus for Random House dictionaries, is that the word has a very unusual sound pattern for an English word -- three syllables, with stress on the first syllable, and -cle-ar as the final two syllables. Amazingly, no other common English word has exactly this pattern; cochlear is very close, but not nearly as frequent. ''NOO-kyuh-luhr''-sayers, who number in the many millions, in fact, move the l in nuclear to the final syllable and thus avoid the unusual pattern. (Linguists refer to this sound-switching process as metathesis.) Thus nuclear takes on a more familiar sound pattern, similar to everyday English words like circular and muscular. So, in his pronunciation of nuclear, Bush is in line with a national trend as well as bipartisan presidential tradition. Indeed, from the founding of the country, American presidents have had their way with English, for good or ill. I scoured the Oxford English Dictionary, now out as version 3.0 on CD-ROM, and was struck by the many words for which U.S. presidents provide the earliest-known dated evidence. http://web.sunybroome.edu/~stoner_r/ENG111NYTnuclear.htm |
Car54 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 07:37 am     Donut, can I ride with you? |
Sia | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 07:45 am     Car, yes, I know professional comedians and editorial cartoonists have ridiculed politicians for hundreds of years; I should have specified that on this message-board I don't notice people attacking past presidents for dialects or mispronounciations. And let's not attack people for their spelling--or, rather, for their atrocious spelling, although it is a pet peeve of mine. (Dan Quayle is a smart man, just not the best speller.) If we were to denigrate people for mispronounciation and misspellings we'd have a lot of hurt feelings around here. |
Yuhuru | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 08:59 am     I do believe he does mispronounce nuclear. I read somewhere recently that it was because he's a Texan, and then the article cited another politically famous Texan who also pronounces it nu-cu-lar. Waaaaaayyy before George Bush became president, this was a pet peeve of mine. It's just wrong. Many people do it, and I say the shouldn't. That's something I just can't stand. Repeat after me: nu-clee-eerrr |
Bastable | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:18 am     "Rekonize." |
Car54 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:25 am     Sia, I agree with you there. I don't think I am a terrible speller..I am a lousy punctuate-or tho. I think around here, we are pretty accepting of those issues. I can relate to Bastable now...I think I got us off on this tangent ...the thread was originally about watching or not watching...I find the President's speeches hard to watch because of his speaking style and eccentricities. One of many reasons I did not watch. There...are we back on topic yet? <Going to uncheck General Discussions from my favorites...> |
Bandit | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:43 am     Yuhuru, I live in Texas, but originally from California. And there are 2 words that BUG me when people say them here: jew-luh-ry and ree-luh-tor. (realtor) So I understand! :-) |
Bandit | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:44 am     (sorry.....got off topic again) |
Goddessatlaw | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:45 am     "Warsh" instead of "wash." Makes me crazy. |
Bandit | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:46 am     That's funny, Goddess. My mother-in-law-to-be says that, and I feel the same way. |
Hermione69 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 09:49 am     I used to pronounce Yosemite as Yoze-mite instead of Yo-sim-mit-te and idiot as i-dot and lightning as lightinging. I'm the worst!! Thank heavens I am not President. Mercifully, I can blame most of this on my hearing loss, LOL! |
Conejo | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 10:18 am     Iraq pronounced "a rock" instead of "I Rack" drives me crazy! <oops, off topic> |
Julieboo | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 10:20 am     OT, but a pet peeve of mine is when people say "If I was president..." The correct way is "If I were president.." Just an FYI. |
Car54 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 10:28 am     Ok Conejo...but is it EYE-RACK or IH-RACK? Goddess, Warsh is good. When I lived in Missouri, people said fark instead of fork. |
Jed245 | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 10:41 am     warsh? I thought it was Worsh I'm a hillbilly ya know and dad says it that way. :o) Car I've also heard it called Ear rack, but, it's gotta be EYE Rack cause in school you know the story of the two countries always at war. :o) |
Sisalou | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 10:46 am     Do I detect some "anit-texites" here?
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Sisalou | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 10:48 am     Well, I never! Now I can't even post my laughing joker! |
Nimtu | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 11:00 am     I had some friends back in college...years and years ago that were from Iran. They always said the correct way to pronounce it was E-rahn (hope that makes sense...not sure how to get the long and short vowel symbols up). I always just figured Iraq was pronounced with the I sounding like a E too. Anybody know for sure? |
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