Archive through March 13, 2003
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What is your attitude toward make-up?:
Archive through March 13, 2003
Abby7 | Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 08:28 pm     ... |
Grooch | Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 08:40 pm     I am referring to the perfume issue, not the makeup issue. <bites tongue off> |
Crossfire | Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 08:57 pm     OK, now I am confused. Generally speaking, is a factory's worth of perfume not too much for one person? I know it can be an issue in office environments where scents tend to be shunned. In some of the places I've worked, it has been specifically mentioned in the dress code as unacceptable. |
Sabbatia | Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 10:18 pm     Crossfire, I banned perfume in the office at work. We have too many people with asthma and allergies. BUT, what I actually was posting to say was, I live in TX. It gets darned hot here...and I knew a guy that worked for the street department that would just slap on more stinkum instead of taking a bath after work. After a few days, he would really start to reek!!! |
Djgirl5235 | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 04:44 am     I for one is extremely pale during the winter, so I wear blush and eyeshadow with liner & mascara in the winter to give myself some colour. In the summer, when it's hot and extremely humid, I have on only a little bit of eyeshadow in a very nuetral colour, and some mascara. Personally, to me, makeup makes me feel like a woman, but I don't need it per se. |
Marysafan | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 07:33 am     Wow...such a broad range! The story is a bit complex. I have a very dear friend, who is from New Jersey (no offense to those of you from New Jersey). We met back in 1973, only knew each other for a few months before losing touch for 28 years. Two years ago via the internet, we were able to get in touch again and decided that we would be friends for life. For some odd reason we just "get" each other and are able to relate to each other quite well....EXCEPT for some cultural differences. I think he has an "east coast superiority complex" and he thinks although he hasn't said...I am a "country hick"....(come to think of it I think he HAS me called that!) Recently we were talking about the new "Surivor" groups. He doesn't care for this group of gals. (He is not nuts about the guys either). He thinks they are whiny, unorganized and "skanky" (his humor and his language sometmes have a very sharp edge. I have a very different use for this word ...so I asked him to explain). He said they didn't have "class". He talked about how Tina had class and another older gal from Survivor Africa (which I didn't see) who was also classy. Now this is a real problem because I think I am very much like some of these new gals in the new group...competent, competitive, plain, hard working, etc. MY idea of class is Gretchen from Survivor I. I am interested in a whole variety of things and have never given much thought to being anything, but what I am. I was a Girl Scout for about 10 years. I know how to fish, row a boat, make a fire, cook over an open flame, know first aid, and can build a shelter. I actually built a two story tree house myself when I was 12. I am great at puzzles and am a very good problem solver. I would be great to have around in the wilderness!...but a fish out of water in the city. He says..."but you don't have dirt under your fingernails"...and I answer ..."Well, I would if I were bulding a shelter in the AMAZON!" Somehow, we got on the subject of make up. His wife is gorgeous and spends a lot of time on herself. She regularly gets her hair and nails done, puts on her make up first thing in the morning, and works hard to maintain her figure. I however am quite the opposite. I am the girl next door who would rather do things than look pretty. Added to that, I came of age in the late 60's where there were much more important things going on. I couldn't understand why it was okay for men to be acepted as they were, and why women had to wear make up to be considered attractive. Why was that? Weren't women pretty enough as is? I never bought into the idea that they weren't. I never saw make up as necessary. I wore it when I had to ...like when I was working (we were actually taught in school that it was a "must" to appear professional). But never outside of work. When I was off duty...I was free to be me. I don't like the feel of make up on my face and I learned my husband actually hated it. So I wear it RARELY. I wore it for my daughter's wedding and I wore it when I go to visit my friend and his family in New Jeresy. I do not wear it when he comes to visit us. I have two daughter's one is in a high profile profession and she wears it whenever she leaves the house. The other rarely if ever wears it. My friend thinks like most of you that there is a time and a place for it. I started thinking more seriously about the issue and decided to delve into it a little deeper. There is such a broad range...everything from being instructed to wear it by parents to being forbidden to wear it by parents. In all honestly, I can see why so many of us have self-esteem problems. We are constantly being told that we are simply not good enough as we are. It leaves me with a whole host of questions... Where does the line get drawn? It used to be that make up was sufficient, now plastic suregery is becoming more and more accepted...what's next?... genetic manipulation? Why isn't good ..."good enough", why do we have to be better than good? Why do we keep raising the bar to impossible standards? Thank you all for input, it has helped me to have a better understanding. |
Dahli | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 07:53 am     Marys.... an intersting post and I would suggest answers to many of the questions you pose can be found in a book called The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolfe there is a lot more to makeup plastic surgery etc than meets the eye! An article in Oprah this month actually talks about the necessity of makeup to get ahead and be taken seriously in business and how the right makeup can raise your salary.... it's not just a little scary. |
Fluff | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 08:38 am     I'm a perfume fan. Never too much though. I learned my lesson at work. |
Texannie | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 09:14 am     Marys, I don't really think makeup (or clothes for that matter) has anything to do with "class"..someone can wear makeup and be the tackiest thing in town or no make up and still be tacky and vice versa. To, class comes from within. |
Marysafan | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 09:40 am     Texannie, I couldn't agree with you more. I remember an episode of the Andy Griffith Show where Andy was the judge of a beauty pagaent and all these pretty girls and their over beaing mothers were trying to get Andy to vote for them. Andy ended up giving the crown to the elderly woman who gave so much of herself and her time to make the pageant happen. This obviously made an impression on me. But it seems the real world is much different. Studies have shown that attractive people get hired first, are more likely to get promoted, and are considered more sucessful. We seem to elect good looking candidates (poor Abe Lincoln wouldn't stand a chance in today's elections). We seem to dismiss candidates who do not appear good on camera even though they may be better qualified. Men leave their plain wives for "trophy wives" as they become more successful and women are guilty of the same thing (I am not picking on the guys). The truth is appearances matter...and to some people they matter a LOT. |
Ginger1218 | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 10:41 am     I do not leave the house without perfume, nothing strong, a light scent, and I spray and walk into it. I hate strong scents that choke you. I also never leave the house without earrings. I feel naked without perfume and earrings. I feel makeup should appear like you are not wearing makeup, just enough to enhance nature. Too much is unattractive I think. There are not a lot of women who actually look better without any touch of makeup. To those women, I say, you are very lucky. And being without makeup does not make someone plain. |
Azriel | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 03:49 pm     I wasn't allowed to wear makeup till I turned 16 and even after that my choice was to wear only lip gloss and mascara. I didn't wear 'full makeup' till I was an adult. Still most days, I only wear blush, eyeliner and lip gloss. My mother, however, was very adamant about keeping a clean moisturized face. She told me you are never too young to start a skin care routine and I'm glad she did! When my daughters were young and they started seeing their very young friends wearing makeup and asking me to wear makeup, I told them that makeup was to cover up ugly and they didn't have any ugly to cover up. One of my big pet peaves is children wearing makeup for pageants. It just irritates the hell out of me that parents are ignorant enough to put makeup on children (even those that are barely out of infancy) and it irritates me even more that the stupid judges of these pageants pick a makeup caked child as a winner.  |
Texannie | Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 04:09 pm     Marysfan, what about Frenchie? I agree with alot of your points, but what about Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford (well, he didn't get elected! LOL) Don't you think that to those that looks matter, it would regardless of the "media influence"? Some people are just shallow. with all that said (LOL) I had the most fun today (and probably only makeup sluts could really enjoy this) I got to have a makeover by NARS cosmetics national makeup artist!!! I was in heaven. AND the best part, was I came out just really looking pretty, not tarty or how someone else thought I should look. I had the best time! |
Sweetbabygirl | Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 10:43 am     The only makeup I use is lipstick for the soup coolers and waterproof mascara for my brows. I've never been into makeup other than that, just don't see the need for it. I do love perfume though....there's something very sensual about smelling great! |
Ophiliasgrandma | Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 11:17 am     When I see on-the-street tv interviews of women it makes me know that putting on my makeup each day I leave the house is an abosolute necessity. To those of you who don't think you need a bit of enhancement you are only fooling yourself. Once out of high school it's the rare, rare exception that can afford to go bare faced. |
Ketchuplover | Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 11:26 am     soup coolers? |
Sweetbabygirl | Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 11:49 am     That's what we called big lips back in the day, Ketch. |
Bandit | Monday, March 03, 2003 - 02:38 pm     I think it's a necessity for work (I do the whole thing), but on the weekends and stuff, it's very minimal, unless I'm going out. |
Twinkie | Monday, March 03, 2003 - 03:17 pm     I used to wear makeup and very light perfume only when I went "out".....not out of the house but out for the evening, etc. Since meeting my husband who doesn't like either I stopped doing both. He loves me just the way I am and that's good enough for me. |
Weenerlobo | Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 03:11 pm     My job affords me the luxury of wearing make up only when I feel like it. Which is exactly what I do for work. When we're going out for dinner or clubbing, then make up is definitely a part of the plan. For sleepovers with my best friends, at my house or theirs, then there's no make up. If I'm hanging around the house, gardening or cleaning, no make up. I guess it all depends on the situation. Kinda like outfits on a cut-out doll! lol By the same token, however, my entire cosmetic collection consists of less than a dozen items or so, most of which is lip gloss. Someone above mentioned that they believe make up should enhance the positive aspects of one's features. I heartily agree. The Tammy Fayes of the world look really scary and isn't it disgusting when you find their foundation or lipstick remnants on a blouse or sweater that you'd like to try on? Ick. Not to mention, with the Miracle Bra, girdles, fanny enhancers, false eyelashes, hair extensions and stage make up that are all available, a woman could look totally opposite once she took all of that off! Talk about false advertising! (And of course I'm not talking about "advertising" in the street solicitation context.) When it comes to scents, I prefer to layer them. Shower gels, lotions then light spray. That way I'm not blasting myself and everyone else within a 15 foot radius of me with my fragrance du jour. I've never understood how some ladies cannot smell how strong their perfume is. I'd give myself a headache! |
Fluff | Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 03:42 pm     I do admit that I love how it look when people circle their eyes in eyeliner really dark, like that gothic look. I am soooo tempted to do that! But with a nice brown eyeliner. |
Bandit | Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 05:21 pm     Fluff - Works great if you have bigger eyes (I do), but if you do that on small eyes, it just looks like there are 2 holes on your face. I'm trying to imagine how that would work with brown eyeliner. Hmmmm....interesting. |
Fluff | Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 05:28 pm     Now, you've got me curious. I'm going to buy a brown one (I tried black) and see what happens. Just to experiment, not to make an habit. hoping not |
Fluff | Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:11 am     Out of curiosity, I've tried the black and brown eyeliners for gothic looks. Black works best. The brown didn't do much unless I laid it on thick, which I could've done with the black and gotten a better effect. My eyelids and areas surrounding my eyes are actually a little darker than the rest of my face anyway (runs in the family). So, black is the best if you are brown complected. I've only been experimenting with this stuff indoors though. kinda hooked, and my mother thought it looked okay on me, and she actually didn't care if I wore some to work, which I didn't |
Bandit | Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:56 am     That's cool. I never tried that look, maybe I should. Indoors, like you though! :-) Lately, I've been experimenting with a different kind of eyeshadow that's kind of fun. It's available from Avon, but I'm sure the same type is available elsewhere. It's called "Color Twist" from Avon and it's a liquid, frosty kind of vanilla. (I'm light complected with blonde hair and blue eyes.) They have other colors. What I have found works best for daytime, is to cover your whole eyelid to the brow, and then blend it with some light brown eyeshadow on the lid and in the crease. Looks really pretty, and subtle. |
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