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Twinkie

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No hard feelings here,gal.

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't agree with us going to war with Iraq, because we should of took him out when Senior Bush was in power, when we had him at his weakest. Why leave this Man in power. All the things they say he is today he was back then.

And it pisses me off that we would have to go back over there and finish a job that should of been taking care of when we were over there the first time. There are quite a few countries with the same capabilities as Iraq, and who Bush pointed out as being very dangerous to the US. Why don't we go after them as well if this is the case while were at it.

We still haven't finished our business with Osama and his group. I think at this time this is a unnecessary war that will be putting our country even more at risk of another horror. Were at risk anyway but I feel this would be a added on risk we don't need.

And a lot of these Senators and talking heads that you see spinning and agreeing with this war on TV and else where should put on a uniform and go over there and help capture Hussein. They seem to know a lot about that region and what he is doing. I say go over there and help our soldiers fight and fine the Man. There might be a few volunteers but not many I'm willing to bet.

Bush father should of took this guy out when he had him on the ropes. And I'm angry that he didn't, because the Man wouldn't be in power today. I'm not at all in agreement with this war. Since we were the ones who allowed him to survive. Hussein's name wouldn't even been on a voting ballot. I support our troops but do not support Bush sending them over there. Bush take care of the people (Osama) who came to our country and attack us, on our soil. All those resources your going to use on Hussein, use them on Osama and find him. You would then have my full support!!

Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MissLibra...we didn't take Saddam out back then because we were trying to abide by the UN Security Council constraints. They told us not to. This is why the UN is now made to look foolish and irrelevant by Saddam and why we must go with or without the UN mandate.

Calamity

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Weenerlobo, I never said that the US had given up its search for terrorists. I said I don't think a costly war with Iraq should take precedence over the fight against global terrorism.

If we go into Iraq with the agenda to neutralize Hussein, we are going to have to commit hundreds of thousands of troops to urban combat. Our own security organziations have warned the Bush administration that Hussein is unlikely to use any WMD he may have unless he is cornered. I'd say American tanks rolling down the streets of Baghdad could be considered "cornering" him. We could end up sparking the very nightmare scenario we are allegedly trying to prevent.

What if Israel is attacked? Ariel Sharon has made it clear that they will not stand on the sidelines as they did in the Gulf War. There is a very real possibility that our little battle against Iraq could blow up into world wide war - from Oceania to the Americas.

We have only so many resources - troops, equipment, intelligence personnel. How much of the world can we fight at one time?

And I am still wondering if Hussein were friendly to America would we be denouncing (albeit a bit tardily) his past use of bio-weapons and threatening "regime change" and war against him?

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Were not listening to the UN now why would we listen to them then. At the point we had him there was absolutely no excuse for stopping. And Senior Bush should and could of faught that decision since it was the wrong one.

Twinkie

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
General H. Norman Schwarzkopf was so mad that he wasn't allowed to take out Saddam during the gulf war that he retired.

Calamity

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Twinkie, To his credit, Bush has implemented a tax credit for people who purchase hybrid vehicles. To his discredit, he & Cheney have torpeded any proposals to increase fuel efficiency.

Honda & Toyota have both recently released regular-size passenger sedans that qualify under this program. There are also even more efficient mini cars.

Denecee

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MissLibra, I don't want us to go to war either! What are we going to do with Iraq after we defeat them? Take care of another country? We need to take care of our own country. I would be willing to pay more for gas if it means less funding to the terrorist. Has anybody read Bill Maher's book titled "If you ride alone, you ride with Bin Laden"? He was on Larry King last friday talking about it, and he made some good points.

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Calamity I agree with a lot of what you said. And I'm definitely not buying into this war with Iraq. I want Bush to take care of the people that attack us on our soil, flew plane's into our buildings. I want those guys!!!!

Twinkie

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Paying more for gas funds the terrorists!!!!

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Denecee you bet our tax dollars will be taking care of another country. And I also would be willing to pay more for gas, and if I could afford it I would buy myself a electric car. It's time for us to be weened off of so much oil use.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Guys, if I remember correctly, and I'm not warranting that I do - Senior didn't have the support of the UN, of Congress, and particularly did not have the support of Democrats, in his desire to take out Saddam back in '91. Additionally the American public did not have the fire in its gut for that kind of action back then, either. Hussein was just another in a long list of Middle-East *sshole pettit-dictators. We had Iran and Ghadafi at the top of our schedules back then. Liberating Kuwait was fine, although even that didn't have overwhelming homeland support. But taking out the leader of a country who 1) hadn't necessarily done much to us at that point, and 2) who existed in our American climate of "no one can touch us anyway" - well, it was not an action readily in our vocabulary back then. We now know that we're not invulnerable. We now know what is possible from the people who hate us. We now know that much worse is very possible. We now know that Hussein is King God Terrorist, since he hides behind the protections of statehood and has used that to amass some of the filthiest weapons imaginable for the destruction of human life. We now know Hussein hates us as much now if not more than then. We know he will use those weapons against us and Israel (right after he tests them on his own people). Senior did what was required of him back then. W is doing right now what is required of him to protect our country. This is part of the war on terrorism - not a separate issue. 250 documents have just been released connecting Hussein with funding and support for Al Queda. But even if he weren't connected with Al Quaeda, it doesn't make him less of a terrorist and the biggest threat to the United States in existence today. China may not like us, but they're not run by psychotics. Hussein is nuts. I'm not willing to wait for a nuke to land in downtown Chicago for proof. JMHO.

Calamity

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi Denecee, I don't agree with him on everything but I'm still a fan of Bill Maher. He can be brutally honest about some subjects most people are too afraid to even discuss. I can't stand Larry King but I saw that Maher was scheduled to be on and we watched it Friday. It was pretty good, didn't know he had that book out. But I still can't stand King. He wasted half-an-hour yapping to Dominick Dunne about Princess Diana's butler's trial. I hate how our media has become so shallow and celebrity-driven.

Well, enough politics for me today.

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No paying more for oil means we wouldn't need to depend on the middle east for our oil. Cutting off a lot of their money supply, it wouldn't be all of their money supply but it would knock a big size dent in it.

Twinkie

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The big issue is....do you get your gas from a company that gets their oil from Saudi or the USA?
Do you even know? If they get their oil from Saudi you are funding terrorists. If we all made it a point to get our gas only from companies that buy their oil from the USA then maybe it would make a small dent in the funding of terrorists.

Twinkie

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And do the US oil companies have an unlimited supply??

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now, see, Twinkie - you may have hit on an idea which will make us all bazillionairs. Non-terrorist gas would sell a bunch. We need to open some stations and get to that advertising. Now we've got to figure out how to somemore drilling going up in Alaska and down in Texas. (ps I'm not kidding - I'm trying to figure out how to get this off the ground )

Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Can you folks imagine how much oil we would save and how much cleaner the environment would be if every new home built from this point on was required to have at least 10% of their electrical needs come from solar panels. Its more expensive upfront but it will save a lot in the long run.

Crossfire

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bringing up the question of why Saddam was allowed to live then is an interesting question, that has a lot of relevance to the situation today.

The reason as many have now stated, is that the mandate was simply not there. In the process of building the coalition that participated in desert storm, some of which were Arab nations was the concession that Saddam would not specifically be a target of the operation. Which is interesting as a big question of the current day, is American unilateralism, the willingness to go it alone. A big part of the reason for that willingness, is that sometimes, to get the job done, you just have to do it yourself.

"And I am still wondering if Hussein were friendly to America would we be denouncing (albeit a bit tardily) his past use of bio-weapons and threatening "regime change" and war against him?"

Well, yes and no, lets break that up. Would we still be denouncing past use of bio-weapons? Yes, if for no other reason than principle.

And would we be threatening regime change if he were friendly? Nope, the need to deal with him and the baath regime can specifically traced to the fact that he hates the west and makes no bones about it. The correlation on that is pretty direct.

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Senior may not have had every Dem or Rep support but he had enough support, because otherwise he wouldn't have went in there in the first place. And as far as the UN they aren't stopping us now, and they couldn't have stopped us then.

We had Hussein's troops laying on the ground for us. Nothing was holding us back. We had the backing of other countries who were in there fighting with us. There is no excuse for us pulling out of there just so in 2002 we end up going back in there to do the same job over again, while we still have Osama running on the loose. I'm not buying what Bush is selling.

Twinkie

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Plenty of off shore oil in the carribean that we can't touch.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We need to get around that, too, Twink.

Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
How bout all that oil we have up in Alaska that is ours.

Misslibra

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
We need to go back to the horse and buggies, we spoiled Americans.

Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 02:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
<sshhhh...Misslibra! Please be quiet...my gals is already asking for a horse>