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Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Colleges are in the business of taking your money, not handing it out like the U.S. government.

PS and they certainly will withhold scholarships for noncompliance with their rules and regulations.

PPS, Max - that's my point. Why aren't the supposedly concerned parents who want to avoid this sufficiently concerned to pay attention in the first place and sign the opt out?

Halfunit

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree Goddess, but they don't strongarm anyone.

Sidebar: You are a joy to debate with. I truly mean that. You are the kind of person I could sit with and have a couple of brewskies with and talk!

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now see, Miss Halfunit, right back atcha on your sidebar - and since we're just over the border from each other maybe we can do that some day.

Halfunit

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
two

Babyruth

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It's disturbing to wonder why they need records, and not just the access to the schoolgrounds to promote their literature.
Are they going to target kids who live in lower income neighborhoods for recruitment more heavily than those is upper income areas? I'd bet on it.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Offering a chance at a better future to kids who may not otherwise have access to opportunity? I'm all for that, too.

Rabbit

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 05:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No opinion here but cute true story.

When my brother was a senior in high school he was a Pro-prospect as a catcher. He was playing in a Connie Mack summer league which had a draft in the playoffs and winning teams can pick up a player on a losing team before regionals. He was going to be picked up by the team that eventually won the Nationals but a rival team drafted him just to keep the one team from getting him.

He was furious, got drunk, and he and his best friend ended up in a Marine Corps. recruiting office. The recruiter was quite a local baseball fan he says and can even guarantee Bro a starting spot on the Corps interservice team! Anyway two months later Bro was in Vietnam but he did get to play “bait” for the B52's during the siege of Khe Sanh in early 1968.

Moral of the story: 18 year olds shouldn’t drink.

Lancecrossfire

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 06:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hare, there are some amazing stories about recruiters--and at both ends of the spectrum.. Those that lie throw their teeth and those that go to bat for you even after you are in.

I wonder what he was drinking though, to get him anywhere near the Marines office?

You have to be 18 to sign up, unless you have parent consent. It's also a law that a male and once 18, you must sign up with the selective service. So in terms of requirements, the military doesn't need any records. And in many places the various services do come onto campus each and every year.

About the only thing the information could provide is to target specific people to recruit a bit stronger.

Jmm

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 08:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
At the High School where I work, every year the parents fill out paper that includes name, address, phone, etc. We have several parts to this form and one of the questions is: "Do you want your child's directory information listed?", the options are yes or no. Marking no is the equivalent of having an unlisted number, you can't get the info from us. We run those list for recruiters, colleges, and also local businesses (tuxedo rental places at prom time, etc.), but you can bet your bottom dollar we run it with the parameters of "listed information" only.

Wargod

Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 08:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sorry, GAL, was running out of here when I saw your question and meant to come back when I had more time.

Personally, I don't think high schools should b handing out student personal info to anyone...military, colleges, whatever. If kids are interested in a college, they should send off for the info for themselves. I do think the idea of sending the stuff to the schools and letting them hand it out to their juniors and seniors would be better.

Conejo

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I believe that the military can already get these kids information and that this law just makes it easier. Think of all the information we give the government already (social security info, census info, welfare info, etc., etc.)They can get any information on any of us; this law just makes it easier and more streamlined.
JMHO FWIW

Jkm

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
---- Goddess -- I agree the military has it's good points -- dh went to college (where we met) and promptly flunked/dropped out -- He joined the Navy the next spring -- was the best thing he ever did.

He was not mature enough to handle college life temptations -- alcohol, making yourself go to class and do your homework, no bed times, nobody to tell you to get up in the morning -- nobody checking up on you. Well he got plenty of that in the Navy -submarines. Lots of disciple, rules and consequenses.....

Luckly he was out before Desert Storm (but was in for Grenada)
(please forgive - I may be a brain at numbers but can't spell worth a d@mn)

I don't have a problem with the military recruiting as another choice.

I do have a problem with sneaky and deceptive ads of any kind - which happens with military recruitment sometimes along with some colleges.

Kids don't get how many choices they will have - the responsiblity they will have and the debt they will have from college life, nor do they understand the consequences of the choices they make (bad grades, etc)

I was lucky and more mature than most -- Of 10 of us that ran around my freshman year, only 2 of us came back. That year I met dh. We got a new group and of that group, I was the only one that finished in 4yrs and with really good grades. The rest took longer, changed majors, dropped out for a while or completely.

For my dh - they babysat him to a point - and he was check up on and if he didn't do something right - he paid for it.

He is a much better man today for being in the Navy.

Now many, many years later - he wishes he would have gotten his degree -- He's stuck in his job and needs a degree to move on -- we've talked about the accelerated programs -- but money and time are always a factor.

Squaredsc

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 02:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
gal, i have 2 boys who sometimes remember to give me the papers from school that require a reply or just general fyi. if im lucky i will get the info in the same month its due or when whatever event takes place.

Avrey258

Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 09:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My only child, (son) is a senior in high school this year. I did not even know about this new "law". I have received about 25 phone calls since September. I receive weekly mail from all branches of the service.

When the recruiter's call, I always say the same thing. I was in the Navy for 8 yrs. My husband is retired Navy, 23 yrs. My father died in Vietnam. I was two. I've given enough. My son will be attending college.

I don't want to come off as being bitter, but there has to be a better way. I certainly don't want other people telling me that it is my son's duty. The people who are pushing it are usually the ones who haven't spent a day in the service.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 05:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess my family must be the exception to the rule, Avrey, since they've served in every war fought by the U.S. even before it was the U.S., and they continue to serve in every branch of the military. One died horrifically in Andersonville during the Civil War. My grandfather and great-uncle suffered terrible experiences in the South Pacific during WWII, ones which they would only share with other military members of the family. My uncle just died in May from cancer directly related to Agent Orange exposure he experienced during his two tours of Vietnam - years during which my father cared for his 4 kids and wife as well as his own very large family. My father served over 37 years in the Army Reserve, a service extended for the Gulf War. Both of my brothers entered the Air Guard upon reaching 18, and both of them received their college educations courtesy of the military. My older brother and cousin both have served continually in the efforts to maintain peace in the Baltic states (including getting shot at by the Muslims they were sent there to protect), and they both are now engaged in intensive training for the Iraq situation. Another cousin just returned from service in Afghanistan. Another served in the Gulf War. Do we like it that our family members are in harms way? No. Do we know what war means? Yes. Have we paid the price? Absolutely. All of these men I've listed whom I've listed have encouraged their own children to enlist. I believe quite the contrary to you, Avrey - I think it is the ones who have served are the ones who continue to encourage the future of our voluntary services.

Sbw

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
GAL - A big thanks to your family! (And that is meant very sincerely.)

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks, Sbw - in case you can't tell, I'm intensely proud of them.

Edited to add: HEY!! I got the 10,000th message board post with this post. I'm feeling the good karma. Oh, wait, is that a bad omen? I'm so confused.

Conejo

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, and so you should be proud! I also come from a military family (father, uncles, cousins, etc.) and am extremely proud of them!

What do you mean that you got the 10,000th message? I'm still kind of new to the board and am still finding my way around.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 07:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi, Conejo - thanks, and thank you for your family, too. It's a hard life, but so worthwhile. On the "Topics" board, listed next to each topic board is the number of posts which have been published on each board (although they clean out and archive the posts periodically, so the numbers only reflect recent numbers).

Marysafan

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I watched the news this morning as the USS Harry S. Truman and its battle group let Norfolk, Virgina for a tour in the middle east.

Having hubby deployed overseas for three Christmases in a row, I could really feel their pain. I boohooed right along with the young wives as the memories of that came flooding back.

I keep all of our armed forces in my prayers...but my heart goes out to their families too...who also make a sacrifice.

Conejo

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 08:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the explanation Goddess, as my grandmother would have said "if that would have been a snake, it would have bit me" LOL Oh well!

Avrey258

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddessatlaw,
I listed my immediately family to make a point that not everyone wants to continue the military tradition. This does not mean that I do not have respect for others who serve and those who will continue to serve.

I'm sure many Americans have family or extended family who served. I am specifically talking about those individuals who have not served at all and
then proceed to tell the rest of us that it is our duty.

I find this particularly annoying coming from other women who can also "serve" today.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree, Avrey. I'm particularly irritated with the military for refusing to allow people over 37 to enlist. I know this because I checked right after 9/11. Quite frankly, I think an armed pack of p*ssed-off pari-menopausal women with bad haircuts and children in the military would track down bin Laden faster than any commando group could ever consider. Our natural resources are being squandered in this regard.