Archive through December 16, 2002
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Archive through December 16, 2002
Squaredsc | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 01:44 pm     im sitting here bored to death at work(which is why im on my favorite site, lol) and since no one has mentioned him and he has been in the news for a little bit; i just wanted to know if anyone had any opinions on his comment at strom thruman's party or not or if they even care. i also heard on a radio station this morning that he is going to be on BET tonight to answer questions or something about his recent comments as well as past comments. any thoughts or opinions? i hope this isn't too touchey a subject, if so, moderators i don't mind if you delete it. thanks to you all. |
Moondance | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 01:55 pm     He needs to step down. His comments were racist & uncalled for! |
Cyn | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 01:57 pm     even when he disguises them when haven't they been? |
Car54 | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 01:59 pm     Funny I was thinking this morning that I was surprised there was no thread for this. (wonder where all those political posters are who were around for days after the last election?) |
Squaredsc | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:06 pm     it simply amazes me that people continue to vote him into office. and it amazes me when people don't vote and look what you end up getting. his comments are just a slap in the face to all races everywhere. and it make me want to say "wake up!" to "all" minorities in this country. car, i was also surprised that no one else has mentioned this before i did. |
Car54 | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:11 pm     Let's all be very articulate and polite. Show em how it's done. |
Zachsmom | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:15 pm     zachsmom pops some carmel covered pop-corn,grabs a pepsi gets comfy in a chair waiting for the show! |
Denecee | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:19 pm     In my opinion, the man showed his true colors by that statement. Foot in mouth, the man needs to step down. |
Twiggyish | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:23 pm     I am very disgusted. It's time he stepped down. I am also suprised the man has been voted into office. |
Maris | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:25 pm     I am not surprised at all at the comments expressed by Trent Lott. What I think Republicans are troubled by is the fact that someone actually caught him on tape expressing what a good many of them think. I would rather have a politician that engages in a little hanky panky on the side with an intern than have a representative who is a bigot. However, that is not the prevailing view among republicans especially within the White House. They feel that Mr. Lott does not need to resign and an apology is enough. So screwing around on your wife requires more than an apology. Being a bigot means just having to say you are sorry. It is all relative. |
Sbw | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:40 pm     When I stepped in this thread I promised myself I would NOT post in here... however..... All Republicans are NOT racists and I find it unfair to characterize most of them as racist and if you flip the coin I am sure we can find some Democrats who are racist. I do not believe that racism is about a political party but rather often upbringing/ignorance. Screwing around on your wife, lying under oath.... |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:49 pm     I'm for Trent Lott stepping aside as Senate leader. I never had any particular affinity for him in the first place, and I don't agree with him promising the Democrats they would receive only a one seat minority on the committees as opposed to the two-seat minorities which were in order (at least before the Georgia run-off). I don't know what he meant when he said what he said, I didn't know Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat background. The comment meant nothing to me until it got spun out in the media. But he is now a polarizing figure as opposed to the somewhat conciliatory figure he appeared to be earlier. Oddly, it's the Democrats who now want to keep him around, racist or not, because he's a compromised and weakened figure. Edited to add: just the appearance of racism, fair or not, is sufficient in my view to warrant his stepping aside. It is an extremely hurtful issue, and one which this country doesn't need to have foremost on its mind when looking at our Senate leader. |
Cyn | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 02:52 pm     I am going to post and then run to the doctor's, even though I swore I would only type the blurb of non-surprise about his same as usual attitude that this time was caught on tape. But, I agree 100% with what Sbw says about there cannot be an absolute. But, I have to say that cheating and lying on your wife and then lying about it does not compare to cheating on at least half of the constituents that Trent Lott represents. He cheats them out of fair representation and their dignity as citizens within the commonwealth that he represenets. ok, I'm running away now. |
Maris | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:02 pm     you are right sbw. One cannot paint all republicans as racists just as one cannot paint all democrats as having loose morals. However, when you have someone like Trent Lott who was the most vocal of moral outrage against Clinton's behavior, making racist comments you have to comment on it. Then when it is followed by the White House saying well he apologized, as if just saying your sorry for believing in segreation is enough. It wasn't enough for Bernard Law to apologize. An apology for being a racist is not acceptable. The republican party as a whole is a lot more forgiving of Trent Lott the racist than they were of Clinton the philanderer. That is a fact. |
Abbynormal | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:12 pm     The only comment I have is this: Anyone with this man's view is just too ignorant to be holding office of any kind. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:14 pm     Maris, I'm just not sure what he meant when he said "things would have been different" - Thurmond was running against Harry Truman (?), with whom I'm sure there were plenty of issues besides whether segregation would continue. Why does it have to have meant a renewed wish for segregationist policies or other racist rhetoric? What the man said, and what is being spun into the statement, are two different things. Nonetheless, I want him to go. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:21 pm     Here'a an op/ed by Dick Morris, Democrat kingmaker and chief Clinton guru, on the Lott flap: "IN DEFENSE OF LOTT, by Dick Morris" (crap, man, I can't believe I got the link to take the first time) |
Twiggyish | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:25 pm     http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/16/timep.lott.tm/ Lott has a history of being racist. |
Maris | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:26 pm     Goddess it isnt just that comment, that comment just openeed the floodgates. he apparently made the same comment years before about Strom Thurmond and his segregationist position and then there was the small issue of his leading fight to keep african americans out of his fraternity when he was in college. Most people, I think have a problem with is whole attitude. His view was well I was just being nice to an old man. Yes Strom Thurmond was 100 years old but Strom Thurmond was almost the standard bearer for the white supremacists of the 1960s. I can remember very much when I was in my 20s that Strom Thurmond represented the worst kind of racist to me. What made him more dangerous was he was a man of power. He was just another George Wallace. I was not surprised by Lott's statements but a lot of people that voted for him were surprised by his views. Lott's secret views are just as dangerous. This is not a many you want to have any kind of power let alone lead a party. |
Maris | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:28 pm     Wait a minute, Chief Clinton Guru? Morris turned on Clinton when Clinton didnt support him after he got caught with hookers on tape. Morris is a worse sleaze than Clinton ever was. I dont give Morris views any credibility. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:36 pm     Heh heh . . . I never have, either - but it's a view from the left side of things and he makes some valid points about the racial makeup of the Lott electorate, 1/3 of which is African American according to the numbers he cites. If they want him as their senator down in ol' Miss, OK - I want him out as senate leader, though. (PS I never cared about politicians and hookers - not the same thing as diddling the hired help, perjuring yourself, lying to the nation repeatedly and trashing a 24-year-old girl to save your own *ss. The words, "ya, I did it. sorry." go a long way in this country. That's all it would have taken for Clinton) |
Marysafan | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:36 pm     Dick Morris was a bi-partisan sleeze. He worked both sides of the fence. |
Crossfire | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:52 pm     I have a problem with the way republicans in general are being portrayed here as being forgiving of Trent, or only being upset that he got caught. The way this is progressing, republicans are being harder on this issue than the democrats are. Why that is, I don't know, but when Trent resigns, it won't be because of democratic pressure, but republican. A quick scan of the republican blogroll also shows the same trend. He is catching more heat from the right than he is the left. |
Goddessatlaw | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 03:57 pm     The Dems want him in because as a perceived racist, he is weakened and that is to their advantage in the 2004 races. So it matters not whether he's a racist except to the extent that they can use that to their advantage. Unfortunately for the Dems, if Lott goes it's likely a less conciliatory Republican will replace him. I think the Dems are digging themselves a deeper hole on this one, rather than crawling out of the one they're already in. |
Maris | Monday, December 16, 2002 - 04:07 pm     Crossfire, the fact is the White House said that Lott apologized and should not resign. Ari Fleischer today reiterated Bush's position that Lott should not resign. Bush is the lead Republican of the land and has stated put forward the postion that Lott has apologized which basically is the same as saying he is forgiven. |
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