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Mosessupposes

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What a mean spirited thread this is. In the "good old days" of this board, it would have had a "cease and desist" order placed on it by some politcally correct moderator and moved to some outcast part of the board (usually impossible to find--read and posted to by no one) until it languished away and dropped into the great void of cyberspace.

Next 2 years: "Fasten your seat belts...we're in for a bumpy ride."

Conejo

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Goddess! Maybe now I can keep more of MY hard earned money!!!!

Fluff

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Personally, I don't see all of the hype about the tax relief stuff. Of course it's appreciated, but from the way they make it sound, you'd think you were getting a check every week. Good grief! Like that's gonna be such a TREMENDOUS help to the economy.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It would be nice, wouldn't it?

Fluff

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AMEN Moses!

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for your answers about "dubya". I've never used the term, but I did want to know if I would offend anyone if I did. I think I'll just stay away from it. :)

Interesting how just a little thing like that effects our perceptions. Some find it neutral, some find it offensive, some find it affectionate. Seems to me if someone did use the term, depending on how the recipient sees it, they could interpret the attitude/beliefs of the speaker quite differently.

Maybe it's that way with most things. We often assume we know what the other person is saying, but just as often, we may be speaking a different language entirely.

Okay, I better get back to work, and back to reality.

Drah, for you: capture

Azriel

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Karuuna, I don't really like the nickname Dubya, but only because I feel that most people that use it are trying to be snide and disrespectful.

Along these same lines there is something that very much ticks me off, that is when the news media or Democrats refer to President Bush as Mr. Bush. It is disrespectful and a subtle putdown and it really irritates me.

This started when President Reagan was in office. He was refered to as Mr. Reagan. It continued with George Bush and now they are doing it to George W.

I have never heard a Democrat president refered to as Mr, only Republican presidents. As much as I disliked President Clinton's politics, I would never call him Mr. Clinton. He was our president and is an ex-president and he deserves the respect of that title.

Zachsmom

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 02:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Azriel..I don't like the term "Dubya" myself..I have heard many Democrates use it as a way to put the President down. "Dumbya" I think I heard. I don't like the term "DemoRATS"..I feel those who feel the need to put down another person because of their political beliefs are very short sighted and intolerant. There are reasons why I vote for a particular candidate or political party (I cross lines many times over)and it all boils down to what the party (or Candidate) can do for me or not do for me personally. And how their decisions are going to affect my and my families life.

I think the President should be addressed as Mr.President or President (insert name here) they have earned that title and the respect that goes with it. In many countries you do not have the opportunity nor the right to make derogatory remarks about a leader. In some countries this could get you killed. Just because we live in a country that does allow us to call the President a bonehead doesn't make it right. For it says a lot about a person who would refer to a President (past or present) as a bonehead then it does about the President himself! I find it a shame that in this day and age people feel the need to make disrespectful comments about anyone..I try in my everyday life to refrain from doing so..and it's actually not too difficult to speak kindly with respect towards your fellow man..

Just my opinion of course..:)

Marysafan

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 02:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen to Zach's mom.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please say you are joking Moses..meanspirited? banished to a outcast section of the board? Say it isn't so..

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 03:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The voters' revenge

(Craig McMillan)
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Posted: November 7, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


excerpts....

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Broadly speaking it does not look good for the Democrats. Loudly and often they told us that they would not only hold control of the Senate, but regain the House of Representatives as well. They even called out their big guns: the Clintons and Al "count-every-vote" Gore. Surveying their carnage, their big guns tonight look more like loose cannons.

I think there are two issues that cost the Democrats dearly. First, the public failed to blame the newly elected Republican president for the nation's economic problems. The voting public correctly understood that the problems had emerged under a Democratic president who took ongoing and indecent liberties with the truth, and emboldened a corporate culture already inclined to do the same. "I did not have relations with that accounting ledger, and what is the meaning of earnings, anyway?" Voters saw a Democratic party that had backed a Democratic president in creating the social and economic culture leading to this financial house of cards.
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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29582

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Here's another good election analysis piece. For the rest of the article following the link above.

Cricket

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 05:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hillbilly, I'm sorry I didn't check here yesterday morning to celebrate with you! Yippee! :grin:

Thank you for the excellent articles about this election.

Poor ole Tom still doesn't get it. Americans don't like Hitler; never did, never will. Daschle brough down his party by acting like a dictator; holding up everything from getting to the floor of the Senate. For him to say he's 'afraid their won't be a balance of power' is absolutely ridiculous. As Danielle of BB3 would say.........THAT'S SCANDALOUS!

Exactly what kind of power balance did he think there was before the election?

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 05:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
okay, now we're throwing Daschle in the same camp as Hitler?

I really don't think that's a reasonable comparison; and it's certainly far worse than calling George "Dubya", doncha think? :)

Oregonfire

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I prefer "the Shrub" myself, as in IQ of an inanimate object. I didn't vote for him, don't have any say in what his government does, and feel entitled to call him peeling wallpaper if I chose to do so. If it make me feel better to name call when I have zero control, then somehow I'll live with myself.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Karuuna, I have called Hussein a Hitler for the millenium, and I stick by that assertion. Bush has been called Hitler by the German government which I find reprehensible from the people responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews. For Daschle, that would be giving him too much credit in the overall scheme of things. He's just been weak, ineffective and obstructive to forward movement in the Senate. Yes, "Hitler" is worse than "Dubya." I obviously agree with Cricket's political assessments, but I wouldn't go so far with the description. No offense, Cricket.

Moderator

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, folks, if you want to DISCUSS politics, fine, but let's dispense with the name calling. There's no need to call anyone Hitler unless you're talking about Adolf himself and The President of the United States is NOT a shrub.

Please act like adults so that the discussion can continue unimpeded. Thanks.

(c)

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Miss Oregonfire, I spent more than too many years cursing Clinton's name and the fates as my only means of venting over his reign. I called him worse than a potted plant, at least mentally. If you want to call Bush a potted plant, go ahead. I certainly respect your right to vent in favor of your political opinions. Same as anyone else here. I may disagree, but vent on, sister.

Edited to say: posting while Mod's post was coming in. Will do.

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I guess my point is that if folks are offended by calling Bush "Dubya", or just Mr. Bush (vs President Bush); then they ought not call Mr. Daschle "Tommy" or "Puffy" or compare him to Hitler.

See, the ugliness can just go on and on, ••• for tat, slam for slam, joke for joke. Or, we can talk about the issues.

Sorry, Mod (c) if I was out of line, just trying to make a point.

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL, I got red-dotted!

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, you did too, Miss Karuuna, you . . . you purveyor of profanities!!! (LOL)

Misslibra

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Kar LMAO!!! To funny!! I think you know why I'm laughing.

Misslibra

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I didn't know ••• was a bad word.

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
hahahaha, wash my mouth out with soap! I've been very naughty!

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please, guys, I'm trying to figure out how to hide my triple-Z gazongas every time I visit the Board for fear of being banished (hah!! no red dots!!!) Miss Karuuna, your post should read ". . . triple-Z gazongas for tat." I'm sure that's what you would have posted if you'd been in a less profane state of mind.

Halfunit

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my virgin ears!!