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Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
President...now that would be exciting. Watching the primary debates between Gephart, Gore, Kerry, and Lieberman. How exciting. Let the 2004 elections begin.


<hillbilly wonders if Janet Reno will also make a run for President>

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't forget Gary Hart - he wants to run, too.

Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:43 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh....and Babbs...I would love to see her run.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My Queen!!

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would love to see Gore and Streisand debate for the primary a few times. ????? She'd be too busy <self mod> Gore with <self mod> hitting it from behind. (Okay, nevermind). Sorry.

Fluff

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
????????????

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
PS and Alec Baldwin would be getting it all on tape.

Marysafan

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
After hearing from the Democrat camp today....I think it was one of those ..."For the good of the party, it is time to step aside" deals.

I didn't catch the name, but there was one Democrat on CNN this afternoon who came right out and said, "Dick Gephart is much like the kindly affable coach who everyone loves...and I love Dick Gephart to death...but he doesn't win the big games."

He also said quite pointedly, "I am telling Dick Gephart it is time to step aside and let new ideas come to the top...but should he try to run again ...then he needs to know that he WILL face oposition."

This guy said he wasn't alone and that there were many in the party who felt it was time for a change in leadership.

In light of the record of the past few elections, I didn't think Dick would fight.

Fluff

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:50 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ahhh....never mind. Slow computer.

Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Mary...believe it or not, I actually like Dick Gephart. It's Tommy Daschle that I can't stand. At least with Dick Gephart, you usually know where he stands and I respect that. Daschle likes to smile and glad hand ,make you think he's ready to compromise all the while he puts major stumbling blocks into the works.

Marysafan

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I like Dick Gephart too....I think most people do...but just like the guy said...the bottom line is winning...and if you aren't winning...you fire the coach...no matter how much you like him.

Will he run for President? I don't know...but it doesn't sound like he has the support within the party. I think he is a wise man and works hard to make things better. I hope he stays in Congress.

Hillbilly

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 05:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I would rather have Gephart run that AlGore.

Fluff

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 05:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't want to see Al Gore myself.

Suitsmefine

Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 09:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Amen....HB and Fluff!!!!

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 03:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's part of an article by Dick Morris on why he thought the Democrats lost, its pretty funny. Clearly, these folks still don't get it.


"The closing week of the election featured old Walter Mondale as the poster boy for the Democrats. Having led them to defeat in 1984, he came back for an encore in 2002 with the same result. Not only did the has-been liberal go down to defeat in his home state of Minnesota, but he dragged the party's Senate candidates down with him.

Looking like an aging member of Brezhnev's Politburo, he seemed the ghost of liberalism past as he emerged as his party's best-known Senate candidate. His very appearance told one volumes about the Democratic Party's embrace of his tax-and-spend past. The repositioning of the '90s vanished in a nod of his gray head and, like twice-cooked pork in a Chinese restaurant, he led his party to a second defeat. "

http://nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/61569.htm

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 03:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Saddam Hussein charges voter intimidation

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Posted: November 6, 2002
6:35 p.m. Eastern


© 2002 Universal Press Syndicate


It's hard to say whether election night was worse for Saddam Hussein or Barbra Streisand. Apparently America doesn't want to surrender in the war on terrorism or outlaw the Pledge of Allegiance.

It was a stunning, record-breaking night. George Bush is the first president in 68 years to gain seats in his first midterm election. Historically, the party in the White House loses seats in the midterm election. This is true even in wartime: Franklin D. Roosevelt lost 50 House seats and eight Senate seats 10 months after Pearl Harbor.

Though Democrats gleefully cite the midterm election of 1998 when the Democrats picked up six House seats – and no Senate seats – that was Clinton's second midterm election. Republicans had already realized all their midterm gains in Clinton's first midterm election. In the very first election after people got a look at Clinton in 1994, Republicans picked up 52 seats in the House, eight seats in the Senate, 11 governorships and 12 state legislative chambers. Not a single Republican incumbent lost.

Thanks to Clinton, the '94 Republican sweep marked the first time in half a century that Republicans had a majority in the House. (It was one of many historic moments in the Clinton administration. Another being: "First president accused of rape within weeks of being impeached.") That meant voters in about 50 congressional districts had done something they had never done before in their entire lives: Vote Republican in a congressional election. There was no reason to expect lifelong Democrats in those districts to keep voting Republican in every successive election.

To the contrary, Democrats should have won back a lot of the seats they lost in 1994. By the standard of historical averages, in the 1998 midterm election, the Democrats should have won back 22 House seats. Instead they won only six seats. The average midterm loss this past century is 30 seats in the House. Clinton's average was 46.

The media billed the Democrats' paltry gain in 1998 as a victory for Clinton and revulsion with impeachment for the same reason they say Bush "stole" the presidential election. Liberals love to lie. (Someone should write a book about that.)

By contrast, in Bush's first midterm election this week, Republicans made spectacular gains all over the country. It was such a blow-out that over on CBS, Dan Rather had to keep retelling viewers about Sen. Lautenberg's victory in New Jersey. (Good thing Election Day finally came without another Democrat realizing the voters were on to him, or the Democrats might have had to unwrap Tutankhamen.)

All night, victories rolled in for Republicans, even shocking victories no one had expected. They picked up seats in the House and Senate. Republicans won a double whammy with Democrat-target Jeb Bush winning in Florida and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend losing in Maryland. Democratic bete noire Katherine Harris won her congressional election. In stunning upsets, Republicans won the governorships in Hawaii and Georgia. The Republican juggernaut could not be stopped.

Democrats may be forced to shut down operations as a party and re-enter politics under a different name. The party formerly known as "the Democratic Party" will henceforth be doing business under the name "the Abortion Party."

That would have the virtue of honesty. Love of abortion is the one irreducible minimum of the Democratic Party. Liberals don't want to go to war with Saddam Hussein, but they do want to go to war to protect Roe v. Wade.

Inasmuch as George Bush rather than Barbra Streisand will be picking our federal judges, even now liberals are sharpening their character assassination techniques. People for the American Way – representing Americans up and down the Malibu beachfront – are already lining up lying Anita Hills to accuse Bush's judicial nominees of lynching blacks and burning crosses.

This is precisely the sort of Clintonian viciousness that Americans indicated they were sick of on election night. The Democrats' motorcycle rally-cum-funeral in Minnesota for Paul Wellstone exposed the party's character in a pellucid, dramatic way. It was so revolting, people couldn't avert their eyes from the spectacle. The only moral compass liberals have is their own will to power. Even the deaths of three members of a family could not slow them down.

If the party formerly known as "the Democrats" don't like the factually correct "Abortion Party," how about "the Adultery Party"? Noticeably, the only incumbent Republican senator to lose was Tim Hutchinson of Arkansas, who left his wife for a staffer a few years ago. I'm proud to be a member of a party that still frowns on that sort of thing.

The end result of a Democratic president being caught in an adulterous affair with an intern was: Two Republicans resigned from Congress. Meanwhile, the felon in the White House was revered as a latter-day George Washington by the Adultery Party. And consider that Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston were mere congressmen. Bill Clinton, Teddy Kennedy, Jesse Jackson and Gary Hart are deemed presidential material by the Adultery Party.

What a miserable party. I'm glad to see their power end, and I'm sure they'll all be perfectly comfortable in their cells in Guantanamo. As Jesse Helms said on Ronald Reagan's election in 1980: God has given America one more chance.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29573


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There are some really funny articles starting to show up trying to figure out this defeat. Seems to be alot of befuddled people in Washington today!

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ROTFLMAO!!! Thanks for that article, Hillbilly - a great read first thing in the morning. I had fun watching Bill O'Reilly get his licks in on McAuliffe last night, too. They need to remove the limousine liberals from the top of the party heap and start over with a few people who have some credibility with the working man. Pelosi isn't going to get that done for them, either.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 06:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OMG, figures that was Ann Coulter. She can get a bit crazy sometimes, but I generally love how she kicks the liberal media right in the *ss. She doesn't care what anyone thinks, and I like that about her.

Hermione69

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I like what Mary said in the archived post. That was very well-put.

I hope something good comes out of this and that having all the power doesn't make the Republicans steamroll over everyone just to get what they want. I personally am not thrilled with the elections, partly because I'm in public education and I am an individual with a disability and Democrats tend to look out for my interests better, but I recognize that I need to have faith that the government will continue to look out for the people. If they don't, then may the tide turn soon.

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hermione...I don't see the liberal Democrats being 'steamrolled' any more than they 'steamrolled' the Republicans when they had control.


Can you say 'little tommy daschle, kids?'

Hermione69

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Like I said, I think the Dems look out for the little man better and that is why they tend to get my vote. But I agree totally that the party stuff is out of control, no matter who has the reins. That's why I liked Mary's post so much.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The President is going to tell us how it is at 2:00 eastern, in case anyone wants to watch.

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm at work...can you give a brief summary here after he's done?

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:42 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sure, HB - I'll keep you posted.

Maris

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"Let us restore to social intercourse that harmony and affection without which liberty and even life itself are but dreary things. And let us reflect that having banished from our land that religious intolerance under which mankind so long bled and suffered, we have yet gained little if we countenance a political intolerance as despotic, as wicked, and capable of as bitter and bloody persecutions." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural Address, 1801. ME 3:318