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Fluff

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Heheheeeeee!

Ya'll are hizzelarious!

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
AAAHHHHEEEHEHHHEHHHEEEEMMMMMMMM. Down the slippery slope we go.

"Oklahoma Senator Nickles Holds Membership in Men-only Club"


"Columnist Recounts Objectionable Kerry Quips About Italians, People on Welfare"

Marysafan

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My guess is the administration is biding their time a)seeing if it will blow over once the media moves on to something more pressing b) waiting for the imminent war with Iraq to take center stage and blow everything else out of the public's conciousness.

Trent Lott's bigotry will be off the front page in couple weeks when bombs start flying...my guess is there will be a statement made that we need him at a time when the nation is in peril or that Congress has more "pressing matters" to attend to so blah, blah, blah...and anyone disagreeing will be called unpatriotic.

Maris

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the administration would like him gone for no other reason than all the Democrats have to do at the next election is just replay the tapes. They can replay the speech but more damaging was the interview on BET. They will use the old party of inclusion versus the party of exclusion.

For the good of the Republican Party Lott should leave.

Weenerlobo

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hey Fluff, just out of curiosity, was was the required literature in your high school?

Maris

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Salem witch hunts


One of the last episodes of witch hysteria in the Western world took place in Salem, Massachusetts, in 1692. The Salem witch-hunt was the largest witch-hunt in colonial New England. Three hundred and fifty people were accused of witchcraft in New England; one hundred and eighty five of those were in Salem.


The name Salem was taken from the Hebrew word shalom, meaning peace. But Salem did not live up to its name, and it was not a peaceful community at all. There were two Salems, Salem Village and Salem Town. Many villagers wanted their community to separate from the town.


Samuel Parris, who became the village’s minister in 1689, was a controversial member of the community from the time he arrived. Parris became one of the loudest voices calling for condemnation of accused witches. The outbreak of accusation began in his own home and quickly spread to the home of his allies, Thomas and Ann Putnam. Some historians have accused these two families of being among the chief instigators of the witch-hunts.


The witch accusations began in Salem after a slave by the name of Tituba had told stories of voodoo from her native land of Barbados. The young girls, mainly Betty and Abigail Williams, were caught up in these stories and started dabbling in the unknown. The story goes that the Williams girls, along with their friends, made a makeshift crystal ball by floating an egg in a glass of water, as they had seen Tituba do. One of the girls thought she saw an image of a coffin in the glass of water, and with this they became scared.


Betty and the other girls supposedly started having fits in January. The Reverend John Hale witnessed the fits. The symptoms of the fits also included loss of hearing, speech, and sight, loss of memory, loss of appetite; hallucinations, and sensations of being pinched by invisible hands and bitten by invisible mouths. Doctors could not find a medical reason for the girls’ strange behavior. They concluded that Betty and the other girls, who ranged in age from nine to twenty, were bewitched.


The relatives of the afflicted girls tried different alternatives to obtain answers. Mary Sibley, the aunt of one of the afflicted girls, called on Tituba with a plan to allegedly use magic to unmask the witches. Although Mary Sibley had resorted to witchcraft to seek out the witches, she was not accused of any crime. As the craze went on, it became obvious that the authorities were selective. They dismissed some charges as absurd. They seemed to pursue most strongly people with little power or people against whom Parris or the Putnams already had a gripe.


The girls started accusing people of witchcraft in February of 1692, and this resulted in three arrests. The three women accused were Tituba, Sarah Good and Sarah Osborne. One was a slave and the other two social outcasts. Neither of these women attended church, which the community considered to be a sin against God. When the three accused women appeared before the town magistrates, the afflicted girls began twitching and falling into convulsions. The girls claimed that the accused women’s specters or spirits were tormenting them by pinching and biting them or by appearing as birds or animals. None but the afflicted could see the specters, but spectral evidence was used as evidence and was as powerful as physical evidence. The girls began to be taken from town to town, to flush out the witches. Before the witch-hunts were over, people from more than twenty other communities had been accused.


Evidence at all the trials of the accused had consisted entirely of the afflicted girls’ claims that unseen specters were tormenting them. With the numbers of accused growing tremendously, the reliance of this evidence began to bother some members of the court. The court pressed for confessions or concrete evidence similar to that used in European trials. The court also looked for direct cause and effect evidence that the accused had actually bewitched someone. Other evidence included the accused inability of witches to recite the Lord’s prayer properly.


With the prison overflowing and the number of afflicted now near fifty, the ministers in the colony grew more suspicious of spectral evidence. They finally took a stand against it, especially after some of the afflicted accused Lady Phips, the wife of the royal governor. The ministers of the village had mostly been silent throughout the trials and the hangings. But in October one of the ministers, Increase Mather told the court, “ It was better that the suspected witches should escape, that that one innocent person should be condemned.” The court was soon disbanded and a new court was organized to complete the trials. Most of the accused was now acquitted. Eight were convicted and sentenced to death, but reprieves were granted to all of them. The court met for the last time on May 9, 1693, and all accused were acquitted that day, putting a final end to the accusations and the witch hysteria in and around Salem.


http://tn.essortment.com/salemwitchhunt_rkto.htm

Bastable

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
GAL, you gotta be careful when you get your news from Matt Drudge.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
He's just an easy linking service. Easy access to the overseas newspapers.

Calamity

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fluff: Your comments on your history classes are in line with some thoughts I had about the "What the World Thinks in 2002" thread.

I really believe part of the problem we Americans have with international politics is that most of us never learned much about 20th century US history. Every year, we'd study the pilgrims, move on to colonial times...if we got to the Civil War by spring it was a miracle.

Oh, and 'The Crucible' is really an allegory about McCarthyism. Just as relevent today with the "Patriot" Act.

Squaredsc

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
interesting 1st article gal, but the 2nd link took too long so i will check it out at home later.

the salem witchhunt was a horrible moment in history. i learned about it in school but wasn't required to read The Crucible. i love history.

Maris

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This speech took place on December 13, 2002. The apple does not fall far from the tree:

Press Conference
Jackson City Hall
Richard Barrett: I'd like to thank Trent Lott's daughter for being here, today. And, thanks to Senator Lott, certainly, for his service to Mississippi and our country.

Tyler Lott Armstrong: My father is a wonderful man, who has always stood tall. The news-media has twisted his words. He has good character, he's a Christian man and a good man and has been a wonderful family man, with his children and all.

Barrett: Mississippi is proud that he has stood tall, but please convey these memorable words to him, if you would, "Stand fast, Mississippians." May he not only stand tall, but stand fast. Strom Thurmond is a man of character, as well, which is why Mississippi has supported both Senator Thurmond and Senator Lott. Just as Jesus taught the elders in the temple, a Mississippian should be teaching his colleagues in the Senate. That is why I have asked Tyler, Trent Lott's daughter, here, to remind her father, once again, "Stand Fast, Mississippians." Galileo was forced to recant, but the earth still orbits the sun. Trent Lott was forced to recant, but blue birds still keep out of red birds' nests. It seems that a bird has more sense than a Bush.

Mississippi rolled with Ross, stood tall with Paul, rang the bell with John Bell, so will not tuck tail with Trent. In the fight for freedom, Mississippi has never been and will never be lukewarm. Especially, when it comes to segregation. What is segregation? The moral and common-sense way for different races to touch, without colliding. Another word for "segregation" is "discrimination." Another word for discrimination” is "choice." What is wrong with freedom of choice? It's all about freedom. I segregate myself from dirt, by taking a bath, from snakes, by not picking them up, and from other countries, by living in the good, old USA -- unlike W.E.B. DuBois, a founder of the NAACP, and Stokeley Carmichael, another integrationist, who preferred to go and live in Africa. Both were self-declared communists, by the way. Ron Bonjean, freedom of choice is moral and it is right.

Had Strom Thurmond been elected in 1948, you would be able to sell your house freely, sit in a classroom safely, live in a neighborhood peacefully and hold a job meritoriously. Mississippi fights on for that day. When critics attacked Mississippi in his day, Theo. G. Bilbo said, "Keep your big nose out of Mississippi." That's why he is remembered as The Man. Would that Trent Lot would say the same thing. Then, he wouldn't be remembered as The Wimp. Mississippi is winning new friends and allies, just as John Stennis said we would. That is why Trent Lott was elevated in the first place. We beat the foes of our flag. We can beat the foes of Trent Lott. Mississippi is more than Interstate highways and magnolia trees: it is a land of principle and patriots, which has earned the respect and support of the rest of the country. You may be surprised, but Boston and Biloxi think very much alike.

An integrationist would haul the bust of J. Z. George, who brought us out from under the Reconstruction, out of the Capitol Rotunda, and strike the name of James O. Eastland, who fought the so-called Civil Rights Bill, from off of the federal building. I can't conceive of Trent Lott doing that. America is a free, English-speaking, Western-civilized country. Integrationists seek to Africanize, Mexicanize, Orientalize and communize it. But integration is immoral and subversive. And it shall ultimately fail. Integration represents a forced society. Mississippi stands for a free society. That is why Mississippi has no apologies to make. Peter made his denials, but was forgiven. Mississippi would like to forgive Trent Lott for his denials, as well, but he needs to quit trying to please the Black Caucus and the Kennedies. The Democrats will never forgive him and the NAACP will never support him.

Mississippi cannot say that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Theo. G. Bilbo, James O. Eastland, John Bell Williams, William Colmer and the 488,630 who voted for our flag are "immoral," Mr. Bonjean. That would be a lie. Because it is the integrationists, who oppose them all, who are immoral, liars and wrong. We have a Republican President and Senator because Strom Thurmond formed a new consensus of Northerners and Southerners to abolish the forced society and usher in a free society. Mississippi thanked him before and thanks him, again. With Republicans or Democrats, we'll get highways and Social Security and veterans' benefits. Except with the Republicans, we're not supposed to get integration to go along with it.

Mississippi stood almost alone in voting Republican in 1964, in opposition to the so-called Civil Rights Bill. Then, the rest of the country saw they could not beat us, so they joined us. This is no time to cut and run. Especially with the power Mississippi has earned and deserves in Washington. Anyone who would apologize for opposing integration would be endorsing the takeover of this building by Louis Armstrong and Kenneth Stokes. If Trent Lott were wrong, that would make Kenneth Stokes and Louis Armstrong right. And Mississippi knows better than that. Trent Lott's original statement was from the heart and honest. Honesty is still the best policy. Mississippi needs men of backbone, not jellyfish, for we have the same enemies today as we had in 1948 and we fight on for freedom.

http://www.nationalist.org/speeches/freedom/stand.html

Fluff

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What do you mean, "What was was the required literature?"

We read a bunch of stuff in school.

Weenerlobo

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok - what did you read in high school? What books did they require you to read? Or was it entirely your choice?

For instance, in my 9th grade required reading was The Catcher in the Rye by JD Salinger.

In 10th grade required reading was The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald.

If ya didn't read these, then ya didn't pass the class.

Fluff

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
We read a bunch of stuff!

We had to read a certain book for projects and book reports in English and History, etc. I remember reading the Glass Menagerie, and some other stuff. My memory is EXTREMELY poor considering I don't remember 2 years ago. Heheheheee!

I do remember getting excepted in to AP Humanities (which is what our high school called English) but I transferred into the regular Humanities IV class, because I ain't wanna have to do all of the work. LOL

Every year, we had a different teacher. Considering I went to 2 different high schools, there's just too much to remember.

And in college, I've only taken Comp I and Comp II. I read (more like scanned) some 1900's book, and....that's pretty much what I can remember.

Oh- And our fate didn't depend on whether we read a book or not.

Car54

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Square, did you see the piece on this on the Today Show?

They did a remote from a restaurant in Lott's state, and the customers there were primarily African/American.

I found the opinions they expressed very much like the ones you have posted.

They basically have always known this about him, expected nothing better, and do not really think anything is going to change because this was revealed about him. Made me sad.

Bastable

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
GAL, I heartily suggest a switch to Google's new news roundup page: http://news.google.com/

It links to a great many active, to-the-minute stories (not just the static main pages) of publications worldwide, and best of all, since there's no bias (as with Drudge), you know you're actually getting world news and not stuff filtered to suit any agenda.

Suitsmefine

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
The Grapes of Wrath, A Tale of Two Cities, and Flowers for Algernon were 3 more that were required reading for us.....maybe kids stopped reading during the 90's, but even my 3rd grader has required reading!

Fluff

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
This looks great, Bastable. It will take me a bit to figure my way around it, but I'm going to add it to my favorites. Thanks. PS does it link the full newspapers at all, or just specific related stories?

Weenerlobo

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow.

Fluff

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Wow what?

I loved my second high school! I wish I could go back!

Bastable

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
GAL: Yes, scroll to the bottom and click on "News Resources" or just use this direct link: http://news.google.com/news/

They don't link to regular columnists on that second page (although they do on the main news roundup), but in my mind, news without lots of yammering talking heads is a good thing.

Weenerlobo

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just feelin' old, Fluff. When you hit 300, you'll unnerstand. lol

Squaredsc

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
maris, please tell me this is something someone made up and was not a speech to the general public. i thank god i don't have any family living in mississippi and i certainly won't be making any trips to that state.

Fluff

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
OK Weener. Heeeheheee!