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Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That was poorly stated - he helped grease the wheels to ensure her receipt of an honor which she earned and richly deserved.

Maris

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That may be true Goddess but would he have stood up and given her a seat???????

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm positive neither Thurmond nor Byrd would have.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 01:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
What am I doing in this thread, anyway? I'm still grappling with getting my *ss pinched (in front of the entire bar association) by an elder male lawyer at my first bar golf outing all the way up through getting called "Lady Kimberly" Saturday night while being introduced as the reason behind why Marriage Material is able to so competently handle his duties as officer for his all-male society. And every sexist incident in-between. Just crap on all of it. There aren't any quick answers to any of it, and really there are very few clean hands. Glass houses and thrown stones.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 02:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP

Quote:

Just crap on all of it




umm..GAL..if you do that..they won't call you "Lady Kimberly" anymore..myimage

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 02:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
In that case, I'll get right on it. Thanks for the smile, Zachsmom. Cranky day.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 02:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
GAL..I know what you're talking about though..I work in a department that is predominately..okay..all but me..male. They are all terrified of my "look".

Sbw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 03:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Those of us who feel that a 3rd party candidate is the best candidate are going to HAVE to start voting that way. I know I did in a November election (and yes my vote was "thrown away") but at least I feel good about it.

Zachsmom

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 03:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Your vote wasn't "thrown away"! You used your right to voice your opinion!!!!! (and don't you feel better about voting that way..then the lesser or two evils?)

AND MOST IMPORTANT!!

You voted!!!!

Squaredsc

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
gal, i hope you slapped the sh*t out of him. i don't care if he's old or not. thanks for the articles. cross i couldn't get yours to work and i typed all of it in.

i don't agree with the project 21 person who said Lott is a good man.

black people (the one's that i know) don't even pay attention to Jesse Jackson, long before the girlfriend thing. and still consider al sharpton a joke.

since martin and malcom have been killed we don't have any leaders that we have chosen. only leaders that others have chosen.

now the Byrd thing and his comment. that was very degrading and it should have been brought to light. but you also have to realize who is funding organizations like the naacp to know where they are at.

bastable, i read a post from someone on another site, can't remember which, which had an interesting take on how people like Lott and Byrd stay in power. i will try to find it.

Flint

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rosa Parks won the Congressional Medal of Honour? I didn't know she served in the U.S. military. What did she do to earn the U.S.' highest military honour?

Or did you mean she received the Congressional Gold Medal for her stand against racism? :)

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, it was the Congressional Gold Medal, Flint - I caught that after it was too late to edit.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now how come it was a Canadian that caught that instead of an American? I'm telling you, Maris - that 10 bil in foreign aid would go along way toward improving our educational system. I'm for pulling it in.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
here are some comments i found on other boards:

From the great EDDIE MURPHY...lol

"All politicians have their foot up our butts. When we vote we vote for the person who we feel has the smallest shoe."

Just feel I need to say that every now and then. LOL.

I really don't see what the big deal is about what LOTT said. Even though some may not agree the MAJORITY of the politicians feel the same way he does when it comes to race.

He just messed up at a birthday party for his boy STROM and let down his P.C. front. Now they are looking for someone to replace LOTT who feels the SAME way that LOTT does....but knows how to keep the REAL feelings on the inside when in public.

That is the AMERICAN political way.

HOLLA.

Squaredsc

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
and another:

Why are we so surprised? Lott only said what has been said by he and his like-minded buddies for many years. The idea that he was brazen enough to spread his venom so publicly is what we need to look at. I think this should serve as a reality check not only for those of us who understand that this is the thinking of those in positions of power who are "leading" the country, but also for those who tend to forget and make the attempt to assimilate. The African Americans in the Bush White House are indicative of those who tend to forget. They forget who they are and where they come from. Rice and Powell need to take a stand for themselves first and then stand for the rest of us. I'm waiting to hear from them and others who look like them to speak up. What are they waiting for?

Crossfire

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Heh, I noticed, I just assumed that they made some sort of exceptional exception.

Crossfire

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 04:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squaredsc: Sorry about that link, like I said, I had a hard time posting it here. This website uses delimiters for creating clickable links which just happen to be the same characters that are part of some urls. Shortsighted, but out of my control.

The link is broken up, and continues a bit on the second line. I just did a copy/paste of the link, and it works if you get both parts.

Maris

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 06:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, I dont care too much for labels, Medal of Honor vs Gold Medal neither of which are of particular importance to me. Rosa Parks didn't need any medal from Congress to prove to me or to my generation what a brave person she was and more importantly what an important historical figure she was for this country.

Heck, it never registered with me that she got a medal but I can remember as a child learning about her and visualizing her on that bus refusing to give up her seat. Now that was a true American.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 09:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Squared: with regard to that last post: if we're talking racism, then lets talk about racism again black Americans who have developed their own minds, earned their own credits, made their own way in life, developed their own conservative values, and then get accused by people like Harry 'Banana Boat Song' Belafonte of being "Uncle Tom's" and house-n'words. His words, not mine. Because they are conservative in thought and action, they are accused of selling out the African American population. I think this form of racism is every bit as insidious as white against black. And more damaging. To strip the social and human value from the most visible, highest-ranking, most respected, well-educated and thoughtful black Americans in today's society is beyond reprehensible. These are people who do their jobs, and do them WELL, and represent a tremendous step forward in the civil rights movement. I don't know anyone who regards Colin Powell as a "black" man, and I don't know anyone who, when they think "Condi Wright," first think "black" and then think "woman." They are admired, respected, professional, competent HUMAN BEINGS. And for the African American population to continue to deride, degrade, diminish and dispossess their accomplishments as sell-outs to their race (simply because they don't share the preferred Democratic thinking - the thinking of that wonderful Senator Byrd) simply flies in the face of everything the civil rights movement is supposed to represent, in my opinion.

Bastable

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 09:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure that this discussion is headed in the right direction... Why would there be anything wrong if anyone DID consider Colin Powell a "black" man or Condi Rice a "black" woman? I'm not on board with the negative connotations of that shorthand.

All the same, I think I know what Goddessatlaw is aiming for. The black sociologist Shelby Steele (who some have accused of being an "Uncle Tom," whatever that really is) talks a lot about similar issues, about how the answer to empowerment is in personal achievement, not in social programs. He wrote the cover story of last month's "Harper's" magazine on a similar topic. I'm sure Goddessatlaw would love it if everyone picked up that article.

I will submit that statistically, more black people support Democratic candidates than Republican ones. Which surely accounts for some of the perceived imbalances posters have mentioned.

Goddessatlaw

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 10:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My point is - they are addressed first in the general public mind as human beings, who have their own minds and their own values and their own accomplishments upon which to rely. Which is how is should be. I am positive that neither have forgotten from where they came. Nonetheless, we are constantly reminded of their African American heritage by those who disagree with their politics. This is wrong.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 05:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Squared - please accept my apology if my diatribe here seems harsh or insensitive. As you may have seen from other posts, my brother called last night from training to let me know he's gotten his deployment orders for the war on Iraq. I was stressed and beside myself when I wrote them, and I hope nothing I said has the type of content or tone which would hurt your feelings.

Weenerlobo

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Trent Lott media coverage

Salem Witch Trials

Hmmmm, what was someone saying about learning from history?

Maris

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 07:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Mr. Lott is in no way innocent and he earned this scrutiny which makes this very different than the Salem Witch Trials. I do not see Trent Lott as a victim at all.

Keep in mind it is the conservative republicans that are looking for his resignation not the liberal democrats. I can guarantee you that the democrats do not want Trent Lott to step aside.

Fluff

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 - 08:00 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What was "Salem Witch Trials"?