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Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 09:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Lol...so what is the point you wished to make with this quote, Maris?

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It sort of reminds me of one reason why Massachusetts voted in Mitt Romney - the largely Democratic and therefore presumptively religiously tolerant voting pool was honked because their Democratic candidate tried to attack Romney on grounds that he's Mormon and to make political hay out of it. Democratic voters didn't like it a bit. Ooops.

Maris

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Just a thought for the day. Thomas Jefferson was one of the greatest minds in our history. The article above was amusing if it was said in jest but if it was in fact said in all sincerity I find it disturbing that people can have such hatred and venom towards a different opinion.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, ya, but what's fun about everyone getting along? (LOL) "If it's not fun, I'm not doing it." Goddessatlaw, quote for the day. How are you, Maris? Coming to the Survivor board tonight?

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Agreed, Maris. Thanks.

I'd rather see less gleeful gloating and cheap shots and more intelligent discussion myself. It's interesting that folks who complain about that stuff being done to them, seem to take great delight at dishing it out.

I'm reminded of another great quote. Something about "do unto others...."

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maris...which article above?

Draheid

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kar: Which ending do you remember:
"...before they do unto you." or
"...as long as you can get away with it." or
"...then run like heck!"

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Heh heh.

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Source Says Hillary Doesn't Think She Could Win In 2004
Thu Nov 07 2002 09:52:53 ET

In opinion polls, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York has placed second only to Mr. Gore as the candidate whom Democrats would most support for president, the NEW YORK TIMES and Katharine Seelye reported on Thursday.

But one person close to Senator Clinton said she was adamant about not running in 2004 and that her negative ratings were still too high to venture out now.

Moreover, he said, her values were probably too liberal for the rest of the country.

'We need a candidate who can, without compromising the essence of who we are, reach across the values divide, which is the divide that sunk us yesterday, and I'm not sure she can do that,' this Democrat said. 'I have no doubt she's planning to run in 2008. That's the plan and they'll stick to it, especially if they think 2004 is a loser.'"

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http://drudgereport.com/flash.htm


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Guess we don't have to worry about Hillary after all. Course alot could happen in 2 years. Sure looks like the Dems are trying to run as fast as they can from the Clinton/Gore aftershocks. I heard on the news this morning that almost every candidate that Bill campaigned for did poorly.

Pottedplant

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I am also confused as to which article. It seems to me as if he is preaching tolerance.

And while the democrats are always saying that they are for the little men, I don't see it. I am little, & I am happy for the tax cuts. I have put the savings into an IRA (retirment account). I also believe that it was Clinton that raised taxes on social security.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that cheap shots and gloating do not serve a grand purpose, however, I have not seen that happening with the elected officials. I do see some joy and glee from those of us who agreed with the elections, however, I would tend to believe it reflective of a personal belief that this will improve the state of affairs and more will be accomplished. How does it accomplish anything when two years later we still have elected officials spouting nonsense about the presidential election..or that the campaign in FL was based on avenging the election? I agree with "do unto others..."

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kar..I believe you misread Maris' post. I believe she is referring to a newspaper article that was posted and not a post per say.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I intend to gloat alot over the national elections, since I'm experiencing such suffering at the local level. Not sorry about it, either. No offense intended, but I'm on cloud 9. I am personally ecstatic to know that things will finally get done. Whether the President's vision for our future can be reached through his policies remains to be seen, but at least he's now going to get the chance to show us. I am tired of nothing being accomplished on the national level, with our personal security at stake.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Goddess, good for you! I guess I am trying to say that it's not the republican officials who are wasting their time gloating...they are going to work...Thank goodness we can finally get something accomplished!

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm celebrating the election and the new day in our country. I think there have been obstructionists in control of the Senate that have hampered getting the nations business done. No Homeland Security bill, 12 spending bills still not voted on, judicial vacancies for over a year and a half, etc.

I find it peculiar that the House side has been able to cooperate, compromise, and get things done while tommy hasn't moved hardly anything thru the Senate.

I intend to continue to celebrate. I find it a little odd that when it is criticism on the other side, it seems to be okay. Now the Dems want to 'make nice' and 'be friends.' I totally agree with 'do unto others...'. The Dems should have been much nicer when they were in control and not been so arrogant that they would always have control.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
You're right, Nimtu, and I understand that was at the request of the President. Have I told you how much I like him?

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Drah - this is for you twak

I thought it was do unto others because you think they've done unto you, and even if they haven't yet they probably will anyway.

I think cheap shots are personal attacks, name calling etc: "adultery party"; "cells in Guatanamo" to name a few.

I'm sure such comments wouldn't be appreciated in the other direction....

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, Karuuna, I have to say Monica Lewinsky was called much worse by James Carville and the Clinton posse. And the animated cartoon of Bush pushing the senior citizen down the social security stairs - on the Democratic National Committe Site - was in shockingly poor taste. It do come around.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I only hope you like him as much as me I just get so tired of the crap that is still being put out there - did you see that Hillary refered to him as the "selected president" just a week or two ago? I mean talk about a waste of time...move on and focus on something else cause two years of that and the democrats wonder why they lost control.

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That was a published arcticle by Anne Coulter.
And actually, the Dems have done a lot worse mudslinging that Ms. Coulter just did. Much more and much worse. I'm afraid the 'adultery stigma' is there thanks to Bill. Its unfortunate that so many Dem candidates thought Bill would win them the day by campaign for them.

If the Democratic party wants to survive, I suggest they distance themselves from the remnants of anything Clinton/Gore and that includes many people in Congress as well as the 'major mudslinger' Terry McAuliffe.

I don't feel sorry for the Dems one bit since they perfected the technique of personal villification and mudslinging over the last 10 years.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
PS that actually is one of the milder commentaries I've seen from Ann Coulter. She can be shrill, harsh and defensive even to the conservative ear at times. She was happy when she wrote this article - you should hear her when she's mad!!

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Was typing while you posted Karuuna...come on! You haven't heard any Dems calling names?

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nimtu...I read an article on 'world response' to the election and one French paper referred to President Bush as 'not quite elected.' I love it when other countries decide to declare the status of our elected officials.

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:53 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, that others have done it doesn't make it right. Personally, I think the way Monica was treated was abominable. Personally, I think Clinton's behavior was abominable. Personally, I think the judicial actions based on that behavior were politically motivated, not ethically motivated, and I also find that reprehensible.

But to categorize a whole party based on the behavior of a few is reprehensible as well.

Ultimately, do unto others means to take the high road, to act the way you believe everyone should act. Not to act in kind.

If you're saying they behaved badly so we should too, then I guess I would say that's fine, if that's the kind of person you want to be. But that's not the kind of person I aspire to be. And I think it also means it's a bit disingenuine to cry foul when others then continue to reciprocate to you in kind.

That's JMO.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thing is, Karuuna - I have not reciprocated in kind. I have been gleeful about our win. I have called no names and been grateful that the President has taken the higher road. Am I not entitled to be happy?