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Fluff

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Why did you call me that?

PS- Anything that doesn't involve war is good enough for me.

Goddessatlaw

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Call you what?

Fluff

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Fluffy.

I thought you were trying to be funny.

Goddessatlaw

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:06 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, no, sorry Fluff. We have another poster named Fluffybbw who I call Fluffy. My mistake. No offense intended.

Calamity

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddessatlaw, just wanted to say that while I can tell that we are on opposite sides of the idealogical spectrum, it was heartening for me to read a Bush supporter expressing hope that war might be prevented if Iraq cooperates with the inspectors. I find some people's gleeful expectation of bloody combat to be extremely disturbing. Commentators and callers on radio have been talking trash as if this situation were nothing more than a grudge football match.

Hillbilly

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
CLINTON AND MCAULIFFE PRESIDED OVER DEM DEBACLE

By DEBORAH ORIN
Washington Bureau Chief
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November 8, 2002 -- Former President Bill Clinton yesterday defended the performance of his handpicked Democratic national chairman, Terry McAuliffe, as grumbling grew over the roles of both Clinton and McAuliffe in the Democrats' Election Day debacle.
It was another sign the rifts in the bloodied Democratic Party aren't just left-right, but also over whom to blame and how to come back after Republicans won control of the Senate and enlarged their House majority.

Some gloomy Democrats said the fact their establishment is closing ranks means they may have to suffer more big losses - say in 2004 - before Democrats are ready to rethink the duck-the-issues approach that backfired on Tuesday and move forward. .......

For rest of article, follow this link http://www.nypost.com/commentary/50326.htm

Fluff

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks. I appreciate that.

I just read it differently and assumed something else.

Hillbilly

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nobody truly wants war. Its just that most of us are realistic. Based on the past 11 years, Saddam has lied time and time again. I do not believe he will cooperate, no way, no how. He'll try his bait and switch tactic again, rest assured, but hopefully this time he'll feel our big stick.

Fluff

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL!

Max

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:28 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmm, maybe if we put some triple-z gazongas with our big stick, we'll distract Saddam long enough to grab all his weapons!

Zachsmom

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Max!!! That was good!! LOL!!

Babyruth

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:33 am EditMoveDeleteIP
RuPaul to the rescue!

Goddessatlaw

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm saying some triple-Z gazongas with reserve units of menopausal women might just do the trick.

Karuuna

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree that war is inevitable at this point, sadly. Hussein hasn't truly cooperated before, even with less stringent requirements.

I still think this is a truly a mistake on the part of the United States, however.

Calamity, I truly appreciate the civility and level-headedness of your posts. Thanks for being here. :)

Weenerlobo

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well said Hillbilly.

Even better, Max!

Babyruth - the first one that came to my mind was Anna Nicole, but then RuPaul would blow their minds!

Hillbilly

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Actually, I was referring to Roosevelt's saying of 'speak softly but carry a big stick.' However, you're free to use whatever version of 'big stick' floats your boat!

Babyruth

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, it was the first "big stick" plus "triple-z" combo that came to mind after Max's post. :)

Calamity

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't believe that "nobody truly wants war". There is a very vocal segment of our population who care less about whether or not Iraq has stockpiles of bio & chemical weapons and/or pursued nuclear capabilities than how big a hole in the ground our missles can make. It's faux patriotism. All swagger, no substance.

Just as some have warned of the danger of ignoring the potential threats terrorist networks and rogue nations pose to world peace, freedom, and safety, we cannot overlook the menace of the might-makes-right brigade just because they're Americans.

Goddessatlaw

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Calamity, one of the last things on earth I want to see is war. I've been home several times in the past month to spend time with my brother, who will be going in on the front lines if it happens. I have recently lost an uncle and a best friend to Agent Orange related cancer. Their names will not be read on any wall in Washington, but the Vietnam war killed them as sure as anyone there named. I don't want war. What I want even less than war, however, is a new 9/11 and more occasion to read listings of names of civilians who went to work one morning and died in a terrorist explosion. No one takes military casualties lightly, and if anything happens to my brother they may as well throw me the grave after him. But a soldier he is, and although he doesn't want to die, he's willing to do it so we civilian Americans never have to experience a 9/11 or anything remotely similar to it again. I hope with all my heart that Hussein all of a sudden gets a clue and cooperates. I don't really think that he will, but all of my hopes are pinned the other direction.

Calamity

Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thank you for the kind words, Karuuna :) .

Hillbilly

Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 05:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Sharpton Blames Clinton for Dem Debacle, Consults with Ford

Rev. Al Sharpton charged this week that Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe insulted African-Americans by relying exclusively on ex-President Clinton to persuade them to go to the polls, a move he said resulted in lowering black turnout on Election Day to levels far below 2000.

"It's insulting that their strategy was Bill Clinton, a coke and a smile," complained the firebrand civil rights leader Wednesday on MSNBC's "Hardball."

In comments that promised to send shockwaves throughout the Democratic Party, Sharpton even attacked Clinton's reputation as America's "first black president."

"I think Bill Clinton is a great asset, but he really wasn't a black president," he told "Hardball" host Chris Matthews, before ticking off the losing candidates for whom Clinton campaigned.

"We lost the mayor's race last year. We lost the governor's race this year in New York. ... We lost Mondale. We lost McBride. We lost Hawaii," he noted.

"So, I mean, are we supposed to sit around in nostalgia?" the radical reverend mused. "[Or] are we supposed to move on and say, 'Wait a minute, we need to really analyze how we exercise and energize'" the party faithful. Sharpton said that while the ex-president should continue to play a role in politics, "I don't think we need exclusive Clinton, the exclusive strategy."

"The strategies did not work," he observed. "There was no voter registration. There was no voter mobilization. I remember I was in five or six states, and their strategy for labor wasn't there."

Of Mr. McAuliffe, who was handpicked by Clinton to run the Democratic Party over former Atlanta Mayor Maynard Jackson, Sharpton said, "I think he's a nice guy, but I think we need a new coach."

While Sharpton's harsh critique is sure to fuel the growing rift between party leaders and a key Democrat constituency, reporters who usually hang on his every word have so far declined to cover his comments about Clinton.

The National Action Network chief's disappointment may have been exacerbated Friday by Democratic House Minority Whip Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., who attempted to elbow rising African-American political star Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tenn., out of the race to replace Dick Gephardt as top Democrat House leader.

"This race is over," Pelosi declared to reporters just hours after Ford, age 32, announced his candidacy.

The San Francisco Democrat, who was described by the New York Daily News as "clearly miffed" by Ford's challenge, proceeded to ridicule her Tennessee colleague's youth, adding sarcastically, "I've been in office [as whip] eight months, so I don't know - I guess when you're very young, eight months seems like a long time."

A Sharpton spokeswoman told NewsMax Friday that he wanted to consult with Rep. Ford, with whom he appeared for the "Hardball" segment, before commenting on the Ford-Pelosi race.

Goddessatlaw

Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 06:08 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to say I've been mightily impressed with this young Congressman Ford. He may not get a leadership position this time around, but I think the kid has an amazingly bright future, and it's smart of him to announce himself now with nothing to lose. Congresswoman Pelosi has been arrogant in the extreme with her power grab. A real turn-off, at least from my perspective. I don't see how she's going to be able to rally the blue-dogs, being so far left of left (not even left of center). Interesting couple of months we have coming up here. Interesting couple of years.

Hillbilly

Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 06:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That seems to be the mo for the old style Dems: arrogance.

I just thought it was incredible that Al Sharpton is now criticizing Clinton. I'm waiting to hear what Jesse Jackson has to say. So much for Clinton's legacy!

Goddessatlaw

Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 06:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm looking forward to hearing George Will's commentary on ABC this morning.

Cricket

Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:36 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Calamity, I too don't think anyone really wants to go to war, but the reality of it is we may have too. There has been a lot of untrue spin about this war. Waiting 11 years and nothing has changed doesn't seem like it works. I will agree it's a huge mess, because we don't want to seem like we are policing the world, but we must protect our citizens from attack. Personally, I wish the citizens of Iraq would oust their leader and rebuild a better society, but that hasn't happened either.

I was also surprised by Al Sharpton's comments, but I knew something was coming by his unusually calm demeanor as the Dems were losing. He looked very pensive, which is not his usual self. I'll be interested to see what he does have to say about the Pelosi/Ford race for Minority House Leader.

Goddessatlaw, I'm with you on Harold Ford. I can actually sit and listen to him, which is something I can't always do with some of the Dems pushing their agenda when they start spinning. However, Ford is respectful and makes sense. He could take their party in the right diretion. He is very likable, respectful and intelligent. Too bad they are going the wrong way with Pelosi.