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Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
LOL Hillbilly! That's the funnest one yet! Kar, Was responding the post were you said:
"I'm sure such comments wouldn't be appreciated in the other direction...." It kinda sounded like you thought there was only one side stirring it up.

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nimtu wrote: <<You haven't heard any Dems calling names?>>

Absolutely, so my point is, neither group can claim any ethical high ground, emphasis on neither.

AND neither group should be complaining about behavior that they themselves exhibit.

I have no control over what happens on a national level, but I do have control over my own behavior, and what I choose to repeat, and what I choose to repeat or post here. I choose not to repeat cheap shots, or to glorify them. By any side. It only furthers divisiveness, and we've seen enough of that, IMO.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kar, here in Louisiana, we recently had a cand. that ran for senate who by all accounts appeared to be a decent fellow. However, shortly before the election he made an extremely racist comment..this lost my vote. It was not in question - he said it in an interview. I don't make cheap shots personally, however, if a public figure states, acts or represents themselves in a way that reveals their character...I want to know!

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Nimtu, would have lost my vote too, no matter what his/her party affiliation was. I also would seriously question the integrity of a Texas governor who would try to use his position to bully his way out of a traffic ticket. But that guy got re-elected, go figure.

All I'm saying is that name-calling does not advance the serious issues that concern this country. Both sides engage in it. But to say that we do this because they do, well, that just doesn't fly with me. Or to complain about it, and then turn around and do it, that doesn't wash with me either.

That's all I'm trying to say, altho apparently not terribly eloquently. :)

Maris

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was refering to the article which called the Democratic party the "Abortion Party". I missed the humor of the article. Jefferson was not preaching intollerance but quite the opposite.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Kar, I understand and you said it just fine! I agree with what you say, however, in a perfect world everyone would be above board and honest..but in this one, unfortunately, sometimes it takes one to be a tad outspoken and even out of line to ascertain the true content of their character.

Weenerlobo

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
One of the various reasons I voted for "Dubya" was his success in guiding the Dems and GOP of Texas to work together effectively. I was really looking forward to the same success on a national level. I'm pretty positive that Puffy (and others) wasn't having any of that and threw up many roadblocks to progress. I am now, again, hopeful that compromise, cooperation and accomplishment is what we'll see out of our national leaders and representatives.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:48 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Spectacular news conference the President just gave - relaxed, funny, extremely informative, and humble. Have I told you how much I like this guy? I'll write a summary now.

Karuuna

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:54 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay, I have a question. Someone told me that some Bush fans regard "Dubya" as a slam and derogatory. That would not have occurred to me. Thoughts? I honestly would like to know.

Weener, I guess it depends on what you think "accomplishment" is. I wasn't particularly impressed with Gov. Bush's record in Texas on several issues.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't know about anybody else, but I love Bush and that "Dubya" doesn't bother me at all!

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Opening statement:

Congratulations to all candidates, who sacrificed so much for their urns.

Spoke with Daschle yesterday, still wants to work with him to get things done in the Senate. Spoke with Gephardt, too.

Grateful to current Congress for support in war on terror.

Lameduck session: 3 priorities
a) Unified Homeland Security
must be done and signed before the end of
this Congress
b) Economy
- Must pass legislation for terrorism
insurance so new construction can begin
c) Fiscal discipline is a must - fund
priorities and control wasteful spending
Growth in jobs packages and prescription
benefits for seniors planned for early
next congress

Answering questions:

Bush does not consider the elections a mandate of anyone but the candidates themselves, who went out and earned the trust of the voters. It's nice that he's getting some credit, and he's obviously pleased with the results, but he's pleased for the candidates much more than himself. No personal victory for him attaches from his perspective. Don't credit me, credit them.

If Bush decides to run again, Cheney WILL be his vp running mate. I am confident Cheney will serve another term, and I am not considering changing vp to groom a next potential republican president.


UN resolution - there is no longer a debate about WHETHER to deal with Saddam, it just how and how fast. He will be dealt with and I want it peacefully - that's why I went to the UN. But everyone now knows that disarming Iraq will happen, and I mean it. Apparently they didn't mean it the past 16 resolutions. Security Council understands this. I am optimistic it will pass after talking to Chirac and Putin yesterday, although I will not put words in their mouths.

Judicial nominations: I want the new head of the nominating committee to understand I'm serious about reforming this process for all administrations. Judges to give 1 year notice if possible of their intention to retire. Committee give 180 days to present candidate to senate floor, senate has 90 days for up or down vote. This is to strip the bitterness and backlog in the process. Owen and Pickering are still in the process, and Bush hopes they will now be sent to the Senate floor for a vote.

North Korea (leave it to Helen - Bush says he's long since announced that strategies toward each threat are going to be very different. In Iraq's case, we already know what the answers are toward attempts to negotiate. North Korea presents a very different case. We are working together with China, Japan, and South Korea to remind NK if they expect a welcome into the faily of peacful nations, they cannot develop nukes. The other countries have much more at stake right now with NK, and are actively engaging NK in negotiation process. Patient with this. RE Iraq: no intention to conquer Iraq, but inaction creates more risk than action. Warns generals in Iraq against harming their own people, hopes we can resolve this peacefully, war is last option. An option, but last option.

Ari Fleischer is getting married this weekend, and the President wants to make sure all the reporters sent their wedding presents.

Everyone, including reporters, was relaxed and happy during this conference. Nice to see.

Draheid

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
dunno Not anything political about it with me, but when I see/hear 'Dubya' it reminds of of 'The Dubya B' (WB) network, home of several of my favorite shows. In fact, I've heard tales that in WB headquarters, they have contests to see who can work 'Dubya' into a conversation the most! (or something like that)
sneak <--I'll be leaving now! :)

PS: Kar: poke

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think the difference is "W" is ok as a differentiation from his father, "Dubya" is considered a derrogatory comment on his dyslexia and habit of tripping over words (you know, the Saturday Night Live dumb*ss persona thing). I don't think he himself cares, as long as you don't call him late to dinner. I use "W" sometimes, but don't use Dubya. Just my perspective on it.

Nimtu

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know GAL, I just considered it more of a Texas accent sort of thing. (I'm allowed to say that coming from the south myself)

Hillbilly

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought it was Neil Bush that had dyslexia not George.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think you're right about that, too, Nimtu - "W" is "double-U" for most of the midwest. I don't know about elsewhere. That may also fuel my personal preference to not use "Dubya"

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:23 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't know if Bush has been actually diagnosed with dyslexia, but analysts studying his patterns have concluded that he likely does.

Marysafan

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Great Summary Goddess! I watched it all and you covered it very well. by any chance were you a former "live feed poster"?

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
No, but I hope to be someday when I grow up!

Weenerlobo

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:49 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks for the summary, GAL, I wasn't able to watch.

I have never heard that the "Dubya" is derrogatory. Nowhere, never, at all. If certain Bush fans take it that way, I figure that's on them. I've only ever heard it used affectionately. The last thing I expected to see was a politically correct discussion about this.

Conejo

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Goddess, didn't get a chance to see it as I am at work. I really appreciate your summary!

Did he happen to mention anything about tax relief?

Weenerlobo

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh my heck - that post sounds so cranky - sorry all! Bad day at work - shouldn't have snapped at ya!

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I've heard it discussed before, Weener. I really don't care one way or another, I just personally prefer "W." Bush is a man who has a habit of tagging affectionate nicknames to everyone around him, so I can't imagine he cares.

Marysafan

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
"W" is a funny letter. My last name starts with W...and it take longer to say "W" (double u) than it does to say my last name! So much for abbreviation!

I see "dubya" as a way of shortening an otherwise cumbersome letter! Although...being from the midwest...and knowing "double u" as the correct pronounciation ..."dubya" does grate on my nerves.

Goddessatlaw

Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 12:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Really, Conejo, it only came up briefly in one response on the measures he wants to work on in order of priority. He wants the tax relief/refund provisions to be permanent, period, and considers it required for his economic packages to work.