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Judyjetson

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:04 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not sure if I'm glad they were taken alive. I can just hear the sympathetic excuses now - - "ex-soldier possibly suffering from Gulf War Syndrome, underage confused boy with no parental guidance, blah, blah, blah"

I wouldn't be surprised if Johnny Cochran is on his way and this will drag on forever.

I hope I am wrong with this assumption. I hope I am way off, but we'll see how this all pans out.

Whowhere

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I was basically thinking along the same lines Judy. I hope you're wrong too.

Webkitty

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Don't worry, there is no way these two can have any excuse that would sway a jury.

Many people have hard and tragic backgrounds but don't go around killing people. If the facts support their guilt, I can't see a jury letting them off. I think these two are headed for the same fate as McVey.

Silksmoke

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 08:49 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Right now I'm just praying that these two were the only two involved.

Up until 9/11 I guess I didn't truly comprehend how vile and hateful people could be. I hope there are no others to continue this putrid act, or some maniac who found this to be exciting and has been getting vicarious thrills. If such a person exists, I now worry about copy-cats.

Please let my worries be unfounded. My heart goes out to the families of all who have been so brutally and senselessly murdered, and to all of those in the area who have had to deal with this horrendous murderous rampage.

I understand they investigated a "sniper" shooting range in Alabama. They have said that police use this range (coincidentally (?)named "Ground Zero") to hone their skills. Apparently countries from ALL OVER the world send people here for training. Last night, however, it was also reported that ANYONE can enroll in this place for a fee. Why would anyone, other than bonified authorities, be permitted access to a place like this?

Fluff

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:16 am EditMoveDeleteIP
On Channel 9 news in DC they said that a shooting in Alabama was related to the sniper attacks that have been going on here. I am just praying that these are the two and it is over.

What I found interesting is that they said that Williams kept calling the Rockville police, and they hung up on him! I mean grief! So, Williams called a clergy man and explained his situation, and in return, the clergy man called the police.

Fluff

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Not bashing the police, but that doesn't look very good on them.

On the news, they also said that Williams changed his name because of his Muslim faith, and that he brainwashed his son pretty bad, to the point where the son could only eat honey and crackers, because of the father's say so.

I'm sorry, but when they showed a picture of the two, they looked just alike. I think that is his real son. JMHO

Max

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
All I can say is, don't believe everything you read/hear in the media right now. Wait until there are some OFFICIAL announcements from authorities. THe media frenzy is resulting in LOTS of innuendo and assumptions and "educated" guessing and folks are taking it all as fact. So far in this mess, they've managed to put out lots of stuff that later proved to be incorrect or slightly off-center.

All I'm saying is, don't jump to contusions. Pray that these are indeed the perpetrators AND that the authorities can find sufficient ballistic and other forensic evidence to convict them. So far, all I've really heard is circumstantial stuff that's mingled with lots of guessing from the media and that's a dangerous thing.

Fluff

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yep Max. So true. Do you know that last night when Chief Moose gave his speech, practically every channel interpreted it their own way. It was pretty straightforward, which is why I get so angry at the media.

Then this morning, they kept saying that police have taken away a burgundy car, and the car was BLUE!!!

Sia

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Silksmoke, sadly, "for a fee," just about anybody can get access to any training facilty. I'm still flabbergasted that at least one of the terrorists who siezed control of and crashed four of our domestic airliners last September 11th got his pilot-training in the United States.

Car, I should have been clearer in how I phrased my post. I'm sorry. I understood you said the training camp was denying that John Allen Muhammed had trained there.

I don't necessarily believe that they would tell the truth. I also believe that if he didn't belong to THAT group that it's entirely likely that he belonged to another militant Islamic group as an American-born convert to the Muslim faith. That was just my first thought, and I hope and pray that the man is proven to be the sniper and that he acted alone and is not part of a larger organization or plan.

Car54

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Max, I am at work, but you are sooooo right. This morning up in the wee hours I was flipping channels watching this and MSNBC would say one thing, and then CNN would totally contradict them. I finally quit watching til the authorities could come on and say what is really happening. This is going crazy.

Judyjetson

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Keep in mind that the media are the ones who aided in Moose's communication with the sniper, which in turn, helped get these guys in custody.

True, the media is not always reporting the entire the truth, but I see no harm in trying to piece all this together to come up with some sort of explanation as to why this may have happened in the first place.

I think it's safe to say that the police have the Beltway Snipers/Shooters in custody and that there might possibly be an alterior motive, other than that they are crazy.

Initially, the police didn't know what color the Chevy Caprice was. They were indeed, at some point in this investigation, looking for a blue OR burgundy car. Here's a blippet from the October 3rd shooting....

•After the October 3 shooting of Pascal Charlot, 72, in Washington, D.C., law enforcement officials searched for a burgundy Chevrolet Caprice. One such car was later found burned out in the D.C. area, but it was never determined whether it had anything to do with the fatal shooting.

Itsallgood

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They found a gun in the car and a hole in the trunk area. The gun they found IS capable of shooting those bullets. Yes I'm going to believe that this is the (no human word for them) that did this awful spree of shootings.

Whowhere

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:26 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Circumstantial evidence can be very damaging, and although no 'authority' has come out and said it, I think it's safe to say that they've got the right guys.

Some people take what the media says as the gospel truth, when usually they pre-empt their statements by saying that it has not yet been confirmed.

Itsallgood

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Of course we have to wait for the outcome, but I'm betting 99% this is who they are looking for. I'm glad they are taking their time and doing it right tho because I don't want to see these (no human word) back out on the street EVER!

Hillbilly

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Itsa...I's got a word you can use!

EVIL

Whowhere

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Also, I don't think I would assume that the authorities have been completely honest with us throughout this whole ordeal either. Sometimes that is necessary to aid the ongoing investigation.

Whowhere

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:35 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hillbilly, I believe that word fits these guys to a tee!

And Itsallgood, I'm not a gambling woman, but I'd wager everything I own on this.

Itsallgood

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Somehow, Evil is still just too good for them. If what has been going on with these 2 have been a "competition", as some reports have stated, I'm just at a lost for words.

Fluff

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes indeedy.

Whowhere

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They just announced that they not only found a .223 caliber gun in the car, but they also found a scope and a tripod.

Thank God the people that have been traumatized for so long with this can FINALLY sleep well tonight and attempt to get their lives back to normal.

Twiggyish

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 02:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I for one am very glad they caught them.

Now we have to find out true motive. Was it for the money or could there be another reason? I hope answers will be forthcoming.

Silksmoke

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
A truck driver from Ludlow Ky., about 18 miles from our home here in Cincinnati, is the truck driver that called the police when he saw the car at a rest stop. He had been listening to the radio when a disc-jockey, based here in Cincinnati (named The Trucking-Bozo of all names), had just been discussing Chief Moose' description of the car they were looking for. He also assisted the police by blocking the exit of the rest stop with his truck along with another truck driver.

700 WLWT is the radio station, and can be heard almost everywhere in the US. It's very popular with truckers driving late at night.

I can't help but feel a little pride that someone from our area helped bring this nightmare to an end.

Car54

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, now I am cranky. My local news has done a special graphic and music that leads into their coverage of this story. They have this big screen now that says SNIPER ATTACK...and they play Jaws type scary music.

It is bad enough that CNN and MSNBC are on it 24-7 whether there are any new developments. I think this is just stupid.

Fluff

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hmmmm. Trying not to laugh.....

Rissa

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All day my local radio station has been saying (paraphrasing)... a gun of the same caliber has been found in the car and is being tested to see if it's the same weapon used in the sniper attacks. Just a few minutes ago, the statement changed to "police have confirmed that the gun HAS BEEN determined to be the weapon used....".

I just checked CNN but they don't have anything about the results of a balistics test. Has anyone else heard this yet?

Twiggyish

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I noticed the so-called experts were wrong about the profile of the sniper.

Car54

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:09 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
NBC news just reported that the gun has been confirmed.

Rissa

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Car. I notice CNN has now posted it too. Who woulda guessed that a little ole' radio station in hicksville Alberta would get the scoop at least half an hour before the major American stations? :)

Yuhuru

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:45 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Judy, please explain to me what Johnny Cochran has to do with this.

Thank you

Juju2bigdog

Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 09:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Bigdog and I were discussing what we would do today if we lived in D.C. area. I said I would definitely go to a gas station and buy gas.

Spygirl

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 06:39 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Visiting here in Cincinnati where the guy lives who reported the snipers is pretty exciting!

He seems like an incredibly nobel and generous man. He said on a local news station here yesterday that if he were to receive the 1/2 million dollar reward (for finding the snipers), he would give it to the families of the victims rather than keep it. This coming from a man who has worked as a truck driver his entire life and is 5 trips away from retirement. It is an amazing story and it warms my heart to hear.

Mack

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 08:10 am EditMoveDeleteIP
That's a nice story Spy and I certainly hope it's true. This has been an horrid few weeks for those of us that live in the DC area but I can't even imagine what it's been like for the families of the murdered and injuried. I will say that it was really grinding the rest of us down and it's amazing how spirits have come up in the past couple of days.

Spygirl

Friday, October 25, 2002 - 07:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I have to amend my above post a bit - it seems that he said he would give a big portion of the award. I realize that isn't quite as good as I thought earlier, but still....not many people would do even that.