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The Eco-Challenge will not be on TV until next spring but it is currently going on and there is a site with updates: http://www.ecochallenge.com/fiji/

We have been discussing the race in this thread - if you do not want to know whats going on, then it would be best to avoid this thread :)
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Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 09:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rissa -- I just read this "entry" on Sleepmonsters.com, and thought it talked about some of the stuff you were asking about above. Here goes:

"The 2 Steves: Boxing clever
By Steve D

This year's Eco is less a matter of survival than it is a matter of Survivor...Now while I know it is unfair - and frankly unprofessional - to speculate as to exactly what is going on behind the scenes at Eco-Challenge 2002, it is also a lot of fun, so what the hell. (And besides, Rob told me and Welshy ahead of time to write it as we see it and not worry about potential legal ramifications...that is what you said, right Rob?)

For several years now, Eco, or at least the televisation of Eco (and that is an important distinction), has been a reality TV show. Go-Lite captain Ian Adamson famously opined that competitors are actually actors who have to pay to take part in Mark Burnett's movies, or words to that effect. Now Burnett is a very shrewd and media-savvy man, and since the massive success of Survivor in the USA - and it was massive - it's dawned on him that he doesn't need two reality gameshows. So what does he do?

Well, Survivor is the 100lbs gorilla here, so obviously Eco is the one that has to change. Now whether we like it or not, expecition-length races, and indeed most sprint races, do not make for great TV. Too long, too slow and too complex for most viewers, the majority come off as part-sporting event, part-learning channel docudrama, part-nature show. So where's Eco's niche? Well, US television, in addition to embracing reality TV, has embraced 'real' suffering on a huge scale recently. So the answer is clear - turn Eco-Challenge into a televised painfest. And by God it seems to be working...

So is this a bad thing? Undoubtedly...the way things are going we could have eight or so ranked finishers and that's way too low a figure. Teams have spent a phenomenal amount of time and money to get to Eco, and the way things are shaping up it is simply too hard for a large number of world-class athletes, let alone rank and file racers like you or I. Burnett's previous races were usually about right, with somewhere aroundabout 40% of the field finishing ranked, and while he has undoutedly responded to criticism that Eco was getting a bit tame, he's gone too far the other way."

Ryn

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 10:09 am EditMoveDeleteIP
"I know avoiding injury and illness is part of this competition but it also looks like this years winner will not be the fastest, most skilled team but the one with the best immune system. LOL"

I realize I have very little area to comment on this thing since I have only seen 2 or 3 of the races on tv. But, my take is - its just a case of the Tortose and the Hare this year, slow and steady may win the race, which has not been the case in previos eco-challenges.

But I think, on the whole it sounds like this years race is a bit much. Will I watch it? YES!! lol

Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 11:52 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Info just posted on Mountainzone.com that explains a lot (including why Montrail eventually dropped out):

http://adventure.mountainzone.com/2002/ecochallenge/html/day7.html

Myjohnhenry

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:25 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
733 update from Fiji...................

1. Seagate.Com (New Zealand)
2. Golite/Balance Bar (USA)
3. Air Pacific (Australia)
4. Mazda (South Africa)
5. Earthlink (USA)
6. Nokia Adventure (Finland)
7. SPIE (France)

Seagate is on their way to the finish line having passed all checkpoints now. Golite and AIr Pacific still have 2 checkpoints to pass and it likes each of the top 3 teams are spread out from each other by several hours so barring any unforseen circumstances Seagate should win.

Myjohnhenry

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
And we have a winner!!!!!


Approximately 20 minutes ago or so Seagate.Com NZ finished the 2002 EcoChallenge Race.

Congratulations to them!!

Rissa

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:56 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Way to go New Zealand!!! GoLite seems to have close to a 5 hour lead on Air Pacific so the USA *should* take second. Those last two CP's went really fast, so should know soon.

Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
YIPPEE!! Congrats to Seagate and New Zealand!!!

Yankee_In_Ca

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 02:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just got this from Team Montrail "Mom":

Friday, 9:00am Fiji Time

About 2am this morning, Rebecca reported to officials at CP13 that the team was withdrawing from the race. They had spent over 7 hours at the CP trying to nurse Shane back to health so they could continue. The left CP13 at about 7:30 last night, only to evidently return to CP13. It was a very hard decision, but the team realized Shane was not going to get better (stomach problems from "both ends")so they bit the bitter bullet and withdrew.

(I wanted to let you know at 2am so you didn't hear about this by seeing the morning leader board, but no internet facilities are available after 10pm,)

As I reported earlier, Shane was very tired and not feeling 100% when the team left CP11 (start of ocean kayak) at 3am Thursday morning with Team Air Pacific. Both teams arrived together at CP12, but then we arrived at CP13 (the big island) an hour back...so we'd already started to slow down. According to photographers following the "action", Shane was barely able to paddle from CP12 to CP13...Tony was doing all the work for their kayak.

CP13 was the best place to have to hold up to nurse an athlete...there are showers, food and real beds there. The team gave it their best, but realized Shane could not go on so why beat their bodies any longer. I've spoken with several of the photographers who spent the day on the island filming and they said Rebecca, Patrick and Tony are just fine. Patrick's feet were pretty sore, but nothing out of the ordinary.

I have not spoken to the team yet...we are waiting for them back at the Sheraton. Race organization is arranging boat transport for them back to us sometime this morning.

Team Seagate.com just won the race...they came in at 8am, just 1 hour shy of 7 full days of racing. Teams GoLite and Air Pacific are battling it out for 2nd place...could be a "horse race" paddle into the finish sometime in the next couple of hours.

I'll let you know more details about Team MONTRAIL/Parallax after I have a chance to talk to the team.

While this is a great disappointment, do not for a moment underestimate what these four great athletes have accomplished. We should all be very proud of them. Good job, Rebecca, Patrick, Shane and Tony.

Disappointed but glad they're safe,
Judy (aka Team MONTRAIL/Parallax.com)

Rissa

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 03:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Absolutely!! They did a fantastic job and were taken out by a bug, not their own failing.

Updates still not showing any more finishers, but there must be by this time? Canada has cracked the top ten but top ten out of 23 doesn't sound as good as tenth out of 81. :) Just kidding, anyone who just FINISHES this race will have an incredible achievement under their belts.

Myjohnhenry

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1439 Update from Fiji...................

Golite/Balance Bar has now finished...approximately 6 hours behind Seagate.
Air Pacific is several hours behind Golite it appears, Mazda is a checkpoint back and Earthlink and Nokia are running neck and neck a checkpoint behind Mazda. The only other team at the ocean portion is Spie and they are at checkpoint 13 (which is the tough island portion) but have not been active for a number of hours now so they are either sleeping and preparing for the final push or they are considering leaving.

There are a total of 22 teams still officially in the race as of the last update.

Myjohnhenry

Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 08:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Press Release about the Finish/Win



TEAM SEAGATE.COM NZ WINS ECO-CHALLENGE FIJI

Kiwis Kayak to the Finish, Arriving at Denarau Island Early Friday Morning

Denarau Island, Fiji (Oct. 18, 2002) - Team Seagate.com NZ, of New Zealand, won the ninth Eco-Challenge Friday at 8 a.m., finishing the grueling 500 km Fijian course in 6 days and 23 hours. They paddled to the finish line hours ahead of Teams GoLite from the United States and Air Pacific of Australia who are still currently fighting for second place.

With a crowd of staff, media, volunteers, family and fans cheering on the Kiwis, they paddled two kayaks in unison toward the finish on the sand in front of the Sheraton Royal Hotel. Eco-Challenge Creator Mark Burnett greeted the exhausted but smiling team with congratulations, traditional Fijian Sulu wraps, and a bottle of champagne.

"I congratulate the Kiwis on an outstanding race and a tremendous comeback from adversities faced in this true expedition," Burnett said. "Half-way through the race, no one, including myself and the Kiwis, thought they could finish even in the top three. But just as in life, when people keep pushing, keep moving, and work together, they are able to achieve great things. There's a moral in this victory that could apply to all of us."

He championed the team's resilience along the course despite both Kristina Penny-Strode's perseverance after taking ill for 12 full hours during the race and Team Buff AXN's day six lead of almost 24 hours.

The win was sweet redemption for the Kiwis, who suffered a heart-breaking meltdown less than 24 hours from the finish line in last year's Eco-Challenge on their home soil. That strategy of racing without any sleep served as their ultimate demise after sleep depravation and total exhaustion forced them to rest as the winning Eco-Internet - the team racing under the GoLite moniker this year - passed them by en route to their second consecutive title. A mere 14 minutes split the two teams' final times.

At one point during this year's race, Seagate.com NZ ranked ninth on the leaderboard before charging through the final leg of the race with little sleep. They continued at a steady pace - only sleeping for 30 minutes of the final 40 hours. Aware that the water-savvy Australians had reached the final Checkpoint, Seagate.com NZ charged ahead.

In addition to strategic sleep breaks, co-captain Nathan Fa'avae cited smooth transitions and proper foot care as keys to staying on top of what he considered the most difficult Eco-Challenge to date. "Great course, great race, and awesome people," said Fa'avae.

Long, exhausting and intimidating, the Fiji course covered a range of settings and disciplines in sporadic weather and stayed true to Burnett's desire to make the race a true expedition requiring strategy and ingenuity rather than just a physical footrace. While the majority of the race featured trekking, kayaking, pack rafting, biking, canyoneering and coasteering in the interior of the main island of Viti Levu, the final leg of the course included ocean kayaking and trekking along a string of islands known as the Yasawas.

"This year's Eco-Challenge maintained a focus on the expedition, and I've received wonderful feedback from competitors - from the Kiwis who just won the race, as well as from the many teams who were forced to drop out," Burnett said. "The changes that we've made proved to be just what these athletes wanted - a thoughtful and demanding adventure in the truest form of an expedition."

The bulk of the 23 other teams still on the course were separated into two groups with the secondary leaders expected to finish within 24 hours, and the back of the pack teams not expected to finish for several days. They remain spread out along Checkpoints nine, ten and eleven on the mainland.

Seagate.com NZ was co-captained by Fa'avae, an outdoor instructor, and Neil Jones, a 40-year-old pig hunter. Along with Jeff Mitchell, both Fa'avae and Jones were on last year's squad that finished a close second.

Joining them was new addition Kristina Penny-Strode, a physical education leader from Australia who suffered from sickness and dehydration throughout the race. Refusing to leave the race, Penny-Strode said only "death's door" would have prevented her from moving forward. The victory was particularly sweet for Penn-Strode, who had to bow out of the 1999 Eco-Challenge in Argentina after a brutal fall from a horse, which resulted in her broken ankle.

As Burnett handed the Kiwis a congratulatory bottle of champagne, Fa'avae's wife greeted her man with a hug and kiss. In response to "what's for breakfast," the team shouted "everything!"

It's been a triumphant week for Mark Burnett in general - he was just named Number 38 on Entertainment Weekly's "100 Most Powerful People in Hollywood" list, his hit show "Survivor" continues to flourish at the top of the viewership charts, and Eco-Challenge's new expedition format has now proven successful with today's strong Kiwi finish which also happens to be the 20th anniversary of the day Burnett emigrated to America with $600 in his pocket.

Myjohnhenry

Friday, October 18, 2002 - 03:16 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
724 Update from Fiji..........................

Golite finished in 2nd about 6 hours behind Seagate and Air Pacific finished about 3 hours later. As of this update they are the only finishers. Mazda is on their way to the finish line as of an hour before the posted update.
Earthlink is 2 checkpoints behind with Nokia about an hour behind them. (5th and 6th place)
Spie is currently listed next, but still doesn't appear to be doing anything so I don't know what is happening there. Also at Checkpoint 13 with Spie is Spectrum Access of the USA. The next 5 teams are at or past checkpoint 11 which means they have not hit the ocean leg yet.

Myjohnhenry

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 12:46 am EditMoveDeleteIP
1748 update from Fiji.......................

3 more teams have reached the finish

Mazda reached the finish apporx. 16 1/2 hours after Air Pacific
Earthlink 6 hours later
Nokia about 45 minutes later

Spie has passed the last checkpoint and is moving toward the finish
Spectrum Access has passed checkpoint 14
5 other teams are on the ocean phase and there are still 9 other teams still listed as being in the race that have at least reached checkpoint 8.

Rissa

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 08:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
A little national pride time. :) Canada has passed by the Brazilian team that they have been trailing for so long and have now moved into 9th place. With the speed they are moving at, they may be able to take 8th but Spie is too close to the finish for a run at 7th. Awesome job Team Suburu!!!!! This is a blurb from the update page at exn.ca

>>>>The squad (Team Suburu) holds the distinction of having the fastest time between CP11 and CP 12 — at just under three and a half hours — while the slowest time during that stint was over nine hours. Another Canadian team, Schick Xtreme 3 (Dave Zietsma, Sarah Wiley, Lawrence Foster, Richard Browne) set the quickest time between CP5 and CP6 at fifteen and a half hours. The average time for that section was one day and six hours. Ironically, it was just after that leg that Schick Xtreme 3 pulled out of the expedition race.

If all goes well, Team Subaru Canada are expected to arrive at the finish line between 5-7 pm tomorrow evening.<<<<<<

Myjohnhenry

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 03:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
10/20 at 902 am Figi time...update with around 24 hours left to the cutoff

8 teams have now finished the race with 7 more teams on the ocean who may have a chance of finishing before the cutoff. There are another 8 teams still in the race that have not reached the ocean legs.

1. Seagate.com NZ Finished (New Zealand)
10/18/2002 8:03

2 GoLite/BALANCE Bar Finished (USA)
10/18/2002 14:08

3 Air Pacific Finished (Australia)
10/18/2002 17:02

4 Mazda Finished (South Africa)
10/19/2002 9:34

5 EarthLink Finished (USA)
10/19/2002 15:28
18 hours 07 minutes

6 Nokia Adventure Finished (Finland)
10/19/2002 16:14

7 Spie Finished (France)
10/19/2002 20:14

8 OneWith Izod Finished (USA)
10/20/2002 6:03

In 9th place and working toward cp 18 is Canon of Brazil, 10th is Spectrum Access of USA who is about 90 minutes or so ahead of Subaru Canada both heading toward cp 17, followed by the UK's North Face Kona and Subaru USA working toward cp 15. Also on the ocean legs and past the grueling cp 13 are Pharmanex and TriWest Allied of the US and Rustic Pathways of Australia began the ocean legs in the last few couple of hours.

Myjohnhenry

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 06:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1226 update on 10/20 Fiji time.............

9th place Rustic Pathways of Australia managed to leap ahead of the other remaining teams and have finished the race and 10th place Canon Quasar Lontra of Brazil is on their way to the finish. Pharmanex is currently in 11th has passed Checkpoint 17 and Spectrum Access (12th place) and Subaru Canada (13th place) are still working on reaching checkpoint 17. North Face Kona and Subaru USA left checkpoint 15 at the same time tied for 14th place. And Tri WEst Allied is in at checkpoint 13.
Of the remaining 7 teams, 2 have passed checkpoint 10 and 5 have passed checkpoint 9.

Myjohnhenry

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 06:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here is some info I found on adventure.mountainzone.com about the cutoff times:




The Cutoffs
For the remaining teams, it is now a race for time to avoid being either disqualified or relegated to a slower course. Teams had until 10 a.m. this morning to check out of CP11 and remain on the Championship (full) Course. All of the top 13 teams met that cutoff.

Teams still on the land have until 2 a.m. tonight (Saturday morning PST) to leave the beach at CP11 if they want to race on the Expedition (reduced) Course.

Teams have until 5 a.m. on Sunday the 20th to reach CP13 if they want to remain on the full championship course. They then have until 10 a.m. on the 21st to reach the finish.

For teams that miss the cutoff at CP13, they will skip the island trek on Wayasewa and Waya Islands, heading straight for CPs 17 & 18 and the finish.

Teams that miss the cutoff at CP11 will be directed to the finish line, skipping all the open water paddling.

So it looks like NorthFace Kona and Subaru USA were the last teams to be allowed on the full course, that TriWest Allied will go from cp13 to cp17 and the remaining 7 teams will head from checkpoint 11 to the finish line or end up pulled off the course if they don't meet the final finish line cut off.

That will mean that no more than 15 of the original 81 teams will complete the full course. Wow!

Myjohnhenry

Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 09:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
1503 on Sunday update from Fiji..........

Canon Quasar Lontra of Brazil is officially the 10th place finisher.
Pharmanex and Spectrum Access are on their way to the finish next.
Tri West is also on their way to the finish, but I believe that they skipped cp's 14, 15 and 16 due to missing a cutoff. Subaru Canada appears to be struggling on the leg between 16 and 17 based on the teams that have passed them and others who appear to be gaining on them. Subaru USA and North Face Kona are on the same leg with Subaru USA having left cp 15 10 minutes ahead of NorthFace.
If I read the cutoffs correctly and the times in Fiji correctly the 2 teams that have left cp 11 in the last few hours should be headed in to the finish line rather than the ocean leg.

*edited to add that there is a 1606 update now and another team has finished (Stray Dogs Officio of the US, but they went from cp 11 to the finish.
Pharmanex is on their way to the finish from cp 18
No other changes at the moment.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 10:17 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Awesome Eco-Challenge Pictures

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 10:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
1811 Update from Fiji..........................

Peak (reduced expedition course) and Pharmanex (full championship course) have both finished.
Spectrum Access (full championship course) is on the way to the finish from cp 18. There are no other changes.
It has been several hours since an update and I am bad at the time differences, but I am thinking the cutoff for completing the race is fast approaching.

Moondance

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 10:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
MJH... I just wanted to thank you for all the great updates... it has been a blast reading and watching the ranks... I ususally wait until the show but I think I like it this way... now when it airs, I will feel more familiar!

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 11:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thanks Moondance! I have enjoyed watching the show in the past as well as other shows on adventure racing, expedition racing, extreme sports.... but watching the rankings, reading various articles, seeing some of the photos has added a whole new element to this for me and a whole new sense of appreciation. The airing of the show is way to far down the road now!!
As an aside...I read that Mad River was followed by one of the camera crews...surprise surprise (NOT) so they will be one of the teams we will see a lot of on TV in addition to the top teams that finished and early leaders and I am sure the Playboy team, the Fiji team and I would guess we would see at least some of the Brazilian team from last year.

Rissa

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 12:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well, I have a nice evening out and sleep in and lookie at all I miss. LOL Canada is done {whew} but in 18th? What the heck happened btn being the fastest team through the last major cp and the finish line? I can't wait until this airs in the spring, I think it will be even more enjoyable connecting what we saw in raw data and what the camara portrays.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 02:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rissa...some of those spots before Subaru Canada are teams that were put on the shortened expedition race (See my posts above because I am not going to figure it out again...at least not at the moment). I hope they redo the ranking chart to show the order of finish of the teams who completed the full championship course as opposed to those who were put onto the shortened expedition course after missing cutoffs. And even those put on shortened courses need to be sorted out from those who skipped 3 checkpoints and those who went straight from cp11 to the finish.
I am thinking Team Subaru Canada ran into some sort of problem because that one leg was much longer for them than for many of the others.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 02:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Update from Fiji at 654 am Monday morning....approx. 3 hours before the final cutoff.

All but NorthFace Kona have finished the race and at the posted update they had left CP 18. So it looks like 23 teams out of 81 will finish the race...right around half of those having completed the shortened expedition race.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 02:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As of approximately 9 am Monday 10/21 Fiji time the last team on the course has finished the race! :)

Rissa

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 03:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MJH, Thanks for the note. I knew they were doing that (shortening the course for those who wouldn't finish the full no. of cp's on time) but I assumed wrongly that the graph would indicate those teams somehow, perhaps by having blank spots on the cp's they missed. Maybe in a day or two they will have it sorted out.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 04:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rissa...maybe by later tonight I will have it sorted out...I just need to put it on paper before I type it because it is confusing otherwise. I think I have it all correct as to which teams did which course. Right now I am multi-tasking with being a domestic goddess, a mother cracking the homework whip and doing some work for work and peeking in here when I need a break. :)

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 07:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Okay...I redid the rankings according to who finished the whole championship course and who finished the 2 different shortened expedition courses...(hopefully I got everything down right).

1. Seagate.com NZ Finished (New Zealand)
10/18/2002 8:03

2 GoLite/BALANCE Bar Finished (USA)
10/18/2002 14:08

3 Air Pacific Finished (Australia)
10/18/2002 17:02

4 Mazda Finished (South Africa)
10/19/2002 9:34

5 EarthLink Finished (USA)
10/19/2002 15:28

6 Nokia Adventure Finished (Finland)
10/19/2002 16:14

7 Spie Finished (France)
10/19/2002 20:14

8 OneWith Izod Finished (USA)
10/20/2002 6:03

9. Rustic Pathways (Australia)
10/20 10:05

10. Canon Quasar Lontra (Brazil)
10/20 14:27

11. Pharmanex (USA)
10/20 17:56

12. Spectrum Access (USA)
10/20 21:01

13. Subaru Canada (Canada)
10/20 23:35

14. Subaru USA (USA)
10/21 6:46

15. NorthFace Kona (UK)
10/21 9:13

(Missed cutoff and went from CP 13 directly to CP17)
16. Tri West Allied (USA)
10/20 22:09

(Missed cutoff and went from CP 11 directly to finish)
17. Stray Dogs Exofficio (USA)
10/20 15:50

18. Peak (USA)
10/20 17:19

19. Cranksports.com (USA)
10/20 22:20

19. Washington Adventure Racing (USA)
10/20 22:20

21. EMA Brasil (Brazil)
10/21 00:58

22. Oxydol Extreme Clean (USA)
10/21 1:23

23. Krone Extreme (Norway)
10/21 6:46

Myjohnhenry

Monday, October 21, 2002 - 05:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Disclaimer: THe above is figured on the info I had, but according to another website it is wrong.
Hopefully Eco-Challenge will put out the information, but I am not holding my breath. :)

Rissa

Monday, October 21, 2002 - 06:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
MJH, One correction that I can make anyway. According to the exn.ca site, once the dust had settled.... Suburu Canada did indeed finish the entire race and is officially ranked in 8th position.

Myjohnhenry

Monday, October 21, 2002 - 06:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Rissa...part of the info I got was from exn, however from the other info I gathered it sure seemed that some of the teams ahead of them did finish the entire race which is why I am taking all rankings beyond the top 6 with a grain of salt.