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Max

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I'm not uptight, just wanted to bring some facts to the discussion. :)

Karuuna

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 02:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Max wrote: <<Third, Revelations says that 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel will be "sealed" by God and protected (chapter 7).>>

I just read my Tarot cards, and found out that I'm #144,001. Just my luck!

Faerygdds

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Well... my interpretation came from the King James version of the Bible and was taught to me by Catholic Nuns... so yes... it's translation can vary from translation to translation... My original point though is still valid with or without the biblical references...

IF Isreal is attacked, they may very well win that war... An Hill.. I just don't have the energy to dig for references today... still battling health issues and having a really crappy day... that said.. I'll be back in a few days...

Juju2bigdog

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:19 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, Hillbilly, piqued is the correct word and spelling.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Before we get too carried away with the biblical prophecies and so forth, here's a reminder:

This thread is to discuss that President Bush must take international concerns in account in any war plans, and if not, he must stop. International relationships are extremely important, now more than ever.

Hillbilly

Thursday, September 26, 2002 - 03:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Faery...no worries. I'm sorry you're having a bad day. :( Come back when you can. I think you're a very interesting person and I enjoy learning your point of view. You're fun!

Goddessatlaw

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
AAAAHHHHHEEEEMMMMMM!!!!!!

Turkish Police Seize Weapons Grade Uranium

Disclaimer: if this link doesn't work, blame Gail. I's only follows the instructions. Luv ya, Gail!!

Goddessatlaw

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 01:15 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Oh, jeez, it worked - watch out. PO'd woman with a new weapon. Really, REALLY luv ya, Gail.

Sbw

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 06:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
The Bush "quotes" above... if you look up the entire text of the first one at least, you will find by limiting it just like it is here, it takes on a completely different impression. I think you will find that the rest of it is that our system of government is more work and well work the effort. Sorry I can't tell you exactly what speech to find it in, but I remember the phrase very well.

<Crawling back into my hole now.>

Kapow

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 08:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
It seems to me that a lot of information shared by the media points to the idea that Iraq is a threat. Not just US media, either.

Though the president has certified dyslexia and often misspeaks - it is possible to overlook these manifestations of the disability and LISTEN to his message. If your child with dyslexia or ADHD (as these disorders often present the same symptoms) happenend to answer oral test questions poorly, would you be ready to call them stupid/ignorant/etc.? Yes, Bush has speech issues. But let's call them what they are, rather than stupidity or ignorance.

Let's focus on his national policies and relationships with other countries, rather than semantics.

Now, that being said, I will run and duck for cover. LOL

Kaili

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 09:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
U.S. wants U.N. to set deadline for Iraqi decision
From John King and Ronni Berke (CNN)
Friday, September 27, 2002 Posted: 10:50 PM EDT (0250 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- The United States wants the U.N. Security Council to give Iraq one week to decide whether or not to accept a new resolution allowing weapons inspectors unfettered access inside Iraq, Bush administration officials told CNN Friday.

A U.N. diplomat who has seen the joint British-U.S. draft of the resolution confirms that it includes language setting a seven-day deadline for Iraq to accept or reject the terms of the final resolution. Administration officials stressed that the draft is, as one official put it, "very much a work in progress."

An Iraqi refusal to accept the resolution would not necessarily trigger an immediate military confrontation. However, the U.S. position is that the terms of any resolution on Iraq adopted by the Security Council must be non-negotiable.

While the draft of the resolution does contain the threat to use "all necessary means," to enforce compliance, it does not specifically link the use of force to the deadline.

Administration officials said the draft reflects weeks of discussions between U.S. and British officials, as well as talks within the Bush administration.

President Bush has also discussed his views on the resolution with French President Jacques Chirac, though indications were that Paris remains opposed to language as strong as the White House is seeking.

The administration officials said the latest U.S.-British proposal:


Calls for a seven-day window for Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to accept the terms of the new Security Council resolution.


Describes Iraq as being in "material breach" of its prior commitments to the United Nations.


Demands unfettered access for any new U.N. weapons inspections in Iraq and specifically notes that inspectors should have access to sites Baghdad considers presidential palaces if the inspectors want to search for possible weapons sites or storage.


Says the international community would be able to use "all necessary means" if Iraq failed to comply.

Baghdad has 30 days from the passage of the resolution to give a "full, final and complete declaration" of all its biological, chemical and ballistic weapons programs, diplomats said.

In a key paragraph, the resolution says that any "false statements" or "omissions" in Iraq's declaration shall constitute a further breach of Iraq's obligations -- allowing all member states to use all necessary means to restore international peace and security.

The draft says the inspection teams should have unrestricted movement into and out of Iraq and immediate movement to and from inspection sites. The inspectors have the right to inspect any sites and buildings, including unrestricted access to "presidential sites," the draft says.

"These are elements for a resolution," one diplomat told CNN. "All of it is basis for negotiation."

Another diplomat, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said "the U.S. is putting out a tough, tough text, and the French will come up with a weak one, and then they'll negotiate."

Several diplomats told CNN the French have drawn up a separate text of ideas but have not circulated it to other council members. France is one of five permanent members of the Security Council and has veto power.

Speaking in Arizona Friday evening, Bush framed the debate this way: "There's no negotiation, there's no discussion, this man must disarm like he said he would do. After 11 years of deceit, this man must disarm. For the sake of peace, for the sake of peace not only in our -- in his neighborhood, but in ours, he must disarm."

"And if he does not, it's his choice to make. It's his and the United Nations' choice to make. Our last choice is to commit our troops to harm's way, but if we have to, to defend our freedoms, if we have to, the United States will lead a coalition and do so."

Starshadow

Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 09:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I am coming in a bit late in this debate so I am sorry if what I say has been said before. I did read some, but not all of the posts. I think we need to keep our nose on the objective. To oust a countrys leader is not part of the war on terrorism. I realize Saddam is a threat to the U.S. but he is a threat to the WORLD also. He does not have the support of any major power and thus can't do more then WE allow him to do. I do think he has weapons of mass destruction. I have no doubt of that, but again we need to stop fighting George Sr.s fights and keep our minds on Bin Ladin. With all this talk of Iraq I am wondering when was the last time Bin Ladin was headlines on CNN? The media has a way of MAKING us feel what we are supposed to feel. I am immune to it after all these years. Ok I will get off the soapbox for now...But I do love political debates so I will be back, that is if everyone dosen't hate me for being so vocal :)

Babyruth

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 05:37 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
by Adam Felber

"Bushlet," Act 1

SCENE i: CRAWFORD - A platform before the castle.


[FRANCISCO at his post. Enter to him BERNARDO.]


BER.: Who's there?
FRA..: Nay, answer me: stand, and unfold yourself.
BER.: Long live the Chief!
FRA..: Bernardo?
BER.: He.
FRA..: You come most carefully upon your hour.
BER.: Wracked with dreams was I, dreams of war.
FRA..: Marry, to be wracked with Iraq's attack at that!
BER.: Funny. What hear you of our attack? 'tis time?
FRA.: Nay, only this: that our sweet young prince
Doth stalk here nightly, his brow furrowed, as if
In semblance of thought. Far does he roam.
BER.: Aye, for he is in remarkable shape
For a man his age.
FRA.: So they say - Hssst! He comes!
BER.: We'll listen, and mayhap learn more of the coming storm.


[Enter BUSHLET, clad in doublet, hose, and a ten gallonne hat.]


BUSHLET: Oh, what a brogue and pissant shave am I!
BER. (whispered): 'tis inpenetrable! His words lack all sense!
FRA.: And yet in that nonsense, his sense does emerge.
BER.: 'Tis why we love him.


[Unseen, a GHOST appears behind Bushlet]


BUSHLET: To attack or not to attack, that is the question -
GHOST.: -Nay, 'tis not. Not the question. Not.
FRA. (whispered): 'Pon my life - 'tis his father, once King.
BUSHLET: Lo! What's this? Tis the ghost of my Father,
Cruelly slain, and now here reanimerated.
GHOST: Slain? Nay, son, I live. Feelin' good...
BUSHLET: Oh dear father - thine death shall be avenged!
GHOST: Nay, son, I am not dead I tell thee...
BUSHLET: Long shall be the struggle, but this evil-doer
Shall be brought low. Much avengeration
Shall I have 'pon the head of Saddam.
GHOST: Saddam. Tis he who I come to speak of with thee.
BUSHLET: Speak, dear shade! What has roused thee from thy grave?
GHOST: Whatever. Listen, son. Time to listen. Now.
Thou dost fritter away thy days in indecision.
Now waiting, now preparing thine attacks.
Thy sabre rattles, and yet stays sheathed withal.
BUSHLET: Tis a defective sabre. I can't find the trigger.
GHOST: Listen! I come here to beseech thee -
Thou must not yet make war upon Saddam.
BUSHLET: What? But you did, oh saucy hippocrat.
GHOST: Yes, but you have not yet prepared.
Haven't built thine international coalition.
Shouldn't attack, then. Wouldn't be prudent.
BUSHLET: Fie upon coalitions! Those fancy-pantses
With their extra languages and their "hot cuisinarts..."
They listen to me not. *uck 'em. Fie!
GHOST: 'Tis my very point. Thou must make
Them attend. Persuasion. Ne-go-tiation.
BUSHLET: Nay, I will heed you not, old ghost!
For thine words do confuse me. But I am clear
In my purpose - to do what thou couldst not
And bring down the evil-doer in thine name.
GHOST: Not a great plan. Got to think. Prudence-
BUSHLET: Nay, begone, ghost, and to thy rest!
GHOST: Really, I am far from dead, my boy.
BUSHLET: To thy rest!


[the GHOST exits, grumbling]


BUSHLET: Would that he had lived.
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,
The sun wilt come out tomorrow, come what may.
And then shall I give the signal, and let loose
The dogs of war! Probably. Pretty sure now...
Hey! What ho! A firefly! C'mere, thou rogue!


[BUSHLET wanders off, chasing the firefly.]


BER.: And so we learn that nothing is to be learned.
FRA.: Aye, 'tis a walking riddle that prances yonder
Fixed on that fly, heedless of the pond he approacheth...


[Pause. A loud SPLASH is heard anon.]


BER.: Come, sweet Francisco, a beer will I buy thee.
FRA.: Aye, thou hast it! Or perchance a hard lemonade.
Lead on, Bernardo! Let kings to their businesses,
And us to ours.


[Exeunt.]

Troj

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
first Bush's deslixia has nothing too do with his albility to lead, but it does divert from the real issuses of his adminastration.the bush doctrine is an unpresidented direction of agression against the world and will result in major unrest in the world for many years to come ..America you can stop this please do!!

Troj

Monday, September 30, 2002 - 07:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Please read read "the Bush Dyslexicon" by Mark Crispin Miller to see that Bush never say's anything that he means

Fluff

Tuesday, October 01, 2002 - 11:51 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Hehehee! Really?

I think he says what he means when he is unscripted. Like he told everyone about Saddam, "This is the man that once tried to kill my Dad."

Max

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Thought some of you might appreciate this.

BushReads

Wargod

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 09:59 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ok, I don't usually post to the political discussions....but I got to say something this time!

Hahahahahahahahaha!

It really is kind of sad though....someone could have told him, LOL.

Goddessatlaw

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Maybe he and Barbra Streisand have more in common than she'd care to admit.

Zachsmom

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 10:12 am EditMoveDeleteIP
<president bush finally found the answer to the question of "what the definition of is is" it's si si!! YES YES>

Kaili

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
That's great- my mom sent me that picture this morning in an email. I love it.

SNL had some good ones with the ball of yarn too.

Fluff

Wednesday, October 02, 2002 - 01:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!