Archive through September 11, 2002
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Archive through September 11, 2002
Yuhuru | Friday, September 06, 2002 - 03:08 pm     When I meant there was nothing I could do Oceans. I meant beyond contacting the White House, etc. There are several ways for the President to start a war without officially declaring a war. I can't stop that. Also I found out the hard way that even those who are supposed to represent me generally don't, but I still vote. We're losing privacy rights left and right while a large number of poeple are opposing it, but it hasn't mattered because we're doing it to protect our freedoms. That's ironic. That's what I mean by helpless. |
Observerx | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:45 pm     Oh forget it!!!!! |
Hillbilly | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:51 pm     Observx...is this a complaint about the moderation of this board? It is not on topic. This is a privately owned board and the owners can set any rules they wish. |
Observerx | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 02:53 pm     Thanks Hillbilly. Sorry to see that you disappeared from the BB board... I enjoyed your posts. |
Hillbilly | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 03:09 pm     No problem Observerx...I just don't want to see you get banned. I think you offer a lot of good perspective on issues. |
Bbtimes3 | Saturday, September 07, 2002 - 05:37 pm     The Anna Nicole Smith show is on the E! network - not MTV. |
Max | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 07:45 pm     I thought I'd share this with all of you. It's the text from a remembrance ceremony at my church today and I think it's quite powerful. This Flash presentation was also part of the service and is really a beautiful presentation: Can't Cry Hard Enough Several of us remarked how we wish the President had attended this service. "A Time of Remembrance and Hope We light the first candle of remembrance for all those who suffered and died on September 11, 2001 in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia. We remember those who still live and who suffer because of the events of that day. When we remember stockbrokers, office workers, maintenance workers, bystanders, window-washers and all others who worked together so valiantly to help each other, we can say together We remember great courage. When we recall firefighters who rushed upstairs as most everyone else was racing out, we can say together, We remember selfless service. When we recall police officers who stood to protect and defend the people and did their duty until the towers came crashing down on top of them, we can say together, We remember selfless sacrifice for the safety of others. When we recall thousands of workers, women and men, old and young, single and married, American-born and those born in countries around the world who did not escape the buildings, we can say together, We remember the loss of human life. When we recall citizens who rushed to help and did all they could to help, we can say together, We remember and give thanks for dutiful commitment to those in distress. When we recall people who stood in line at the nation's blood banks to make living donations from their very bodies, we can say together, We give thanks for those who live on to pass on life and love. When we remember millions of Americans who gave so generously of their life and labor to help survivors and their families recover from their losses, we can say together, We are grateful for generosity. Remembrance begins with remembering the affliction of our brothers and sisters, and marking their pain as our own and becomes a sacred moment when we raise up and hold to the light of the eternal moment those who have passed. We light the second candle of repentance, recognizing that we have not always done enough to address sources of anger, hate and rage that can lead to acts of violence. In our sadness, horror and shock, we acknowledge that our own fears turned murderous and we have sought revenge, sometimes against even the innocent. We confess and regret our own anger and recognize its dangers to our spirits, our health, our community, and others. In the aftermath of September 11th, 2001 we have been tempted to seek only our own good, hear only our own truth, acknowledge only our own suffering. We know that peace will come to us and to our children when cries for justice anywhere and heard and we seek justice everywhere. In striving for security and peace we run the risk of confusing might for right and participating in the very behaviours we condemn. Guard and guide our country that in our search for security we may not trample on the innocent. Repentance means to turn away from wrong deeds and choosing deeds requiring moral restraint, that are more beneficial to all persons who suffer. We light a candle to light the way to a better world for our children and our children's children, and all the children of God. We recall with joy the unity we felt in the outpouring of help, kindness, thoughtful words and deeds from at home and around the world. We must hold firmly to our unity, borne forward now not of tragedy but of loving kindness. In a year filled with tragedy, we dare to hope for a day yet to come in which the slaughter of innocents, greed, ambitions of power, and all forms of bigotry are but memories of the past. We light the third candle of hope as we pray for the future that is secure in God's care: God of the ages, before your eyes all empires rise and fall yet you are changeless. You are near us in this age of terror and in these moments of remembrance. Uphold those who work and watch and wait and weep and love. By your Spirit, give rise in us broad sympathy for all the peoples of your earth. Strengthen us to comfort those who mourn and work in large and small ways for those things that make for peace. Bless the people and leaders of this nation and all nations so that warfare may become only a memory. We pray in the strong name of the Prince of Peace. Amen." |
Whowhere | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:39 am     http://globalsecurity.org/ |
Whowhere | Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:42 am     double post |
Babyruth | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:06 am     Bush speaking at the Pentagon. aarrrgh!! Bush is making this about war and might and military responses. It's THICK with pro-war propanganda, not much about the people lost. He makes me sick. |
Marysafan | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:20 am     The coverage from the pentagon is chilling. Just as suspected ...manipulation of emotion to further political agenda. I feel used and angry. There were brave innocent lives lost in that place. This was a time to remember and honor and them. I too am sickened by this display of political rhetoric. |
Whowhere | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 07:49 am     Most people (including victims’ families) want to hear that our President is doing what he can to prevent this act of war from happening ever again. Some people are ready to give their lives to protect their country, just like the men and women who sacrificed their lives through many different wars to make our country the most powerful and the greatest country in the world. http://Globalsecurity.org |
Babyruth | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 08:35 am     That's what his speech tomorrow is for. Today's should have been just about remembering the people, honoring the loved. You know, a MEMORIAL. |
Whowhere | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:12 am     Perhaps you should read the entire speech. It's not all about politics. Maybe that's the only part you choose to hear...... President Bush's Remarks at the Pentagon: "One year ago, men and women and children were killed here because they were Americans, and because this place is a symbol to the world of our country's might and resolve. Today, we remember each life. We rededicate this proud symbol. And we renew our commitment to win the war that began here. The terrorists chose this target hoping to demoralize our country. They failed. Within minutes, brave men and women were rescuing their comrades. Within hours, in this building, the planning began for a military response. Within weeks, commands went forth from this place that would clear terrorist camps and caves and liberate a nation. And within one year, this great building has been made whole once again. Many civilian and military personnel have now returned to offices they occupied before the attack. The Pentagon is a working building, not a memorial. Yet the memories of a great tragedy linger here. And for all who knew loss here, life is not the same. The 184 whose lives were taken in this place -- veterans and recruits, soldiers and civilians, husbands and wives, parents and children -- left behind family and friends who loss cannot be weighed. The murder of innocents cannot be explained, only endured. And though they died in tragedy, they did not die in vain. Their loss has moved a nation to action in a cause to defend other innocent lives across the world. This war is waged on many fronts. We've captured more than 2,000 terrorists. A larger number of killers have met their end in combat. We've seized millions in terrorist assets. We're reorganizing the federal government to protect the homeland, yet there's a great deal left to do. And the greatest tasks and the greatest dangers will fall to the armed forces of the United States. I came to the presidency with respect for all who wear America's uniform. Every day... Every day, as your commander in chief, my respect, and that of our nation, has deepened. I have great confidence in every man and women who wears the uniform of the United States of America. I am proud of all who have fought on my orders, and this nation honors all who died in our cause. Wherever our military is sent in the world, you bring hope and justice and promise of a better day. You are worthy of the traditions you represent, the uniform you wear, the ideals you serve. America is counting on you, and our confidence is well placed. What happened to our nation on a September day set in motion the first great struggle of a new century. The enemies who struck us are determined and they are resourceful. They will not be stopped by a sense of decency or a hint of conscience. But they will be stopped. A greater force is amassed against them. They are opposed by freedom-loving people in many lands. They are opposed by our allies who have fought bravely by our side. And as long as terrorists and dictators plot against our lives and our liberty, they will be opposed by the United States Army, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force and Marines. We fight as Americans have always fought not just for ourselves, but for the security of our friends and for peace in the world. We fight for the dignity of life against fanatics who feel no shame in murder. We fight to protect the innocent so that the lawless and the merciless will not inherit the Earth. At every turn of this war, we will always remember how it began and who fell first -- the thousands who went to work, boarded a plane or reported to their post. Today the nation pays our respects to them. Here and in Pennsylvania and in New York, we honor each name and each life. We ask God to bring comfort to every home where they are loved and missed. And on this day, and on every day, may He watch over the United States of America. God bless." |
Babyruth | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:33 am     I listened to it live, I've read it here. My observations and feelings about the speech haven't changed (if anything, they've deepened). That said, I can see how this speech would be comforting to families of people who work in the military/pentagon, so I understand that it was appropriate in that sense. I was venting and expressing my opinion, not meaning to offend you, Whowhere, or anyone else. I'm sorry if I did. |
Faerygdds | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:47 am     Baby... who... we are all entiled to our own opinions... You are BOTH playing nice, but you both seem to worry about what others think of your opinions and worry about offending others. The reality is that we all have our own views... and that's probably a good thing. Diversity is, after all, what this great nation is about! It's your right to have you opinion... and the general rule around here is something along the lines of... as long as you don't personally attack a person... it shouldn't be taken personally or be seen as offensive. {stepping out of convo} Ready.... debate! lol
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Marysafan | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:51 am     Babyruth, I just started a whole post saying what you said so succintly (not one of my strong suits). I agree with your take on it. |
Babyruth | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 09:59 am     Thanks, Faery. I agree, and have never apologized for my opinion, or for anyone taking my expression of it personally. I wanted to acknowledge Whowhere's feelings, however, and let her know I did not intend to irritate/offend her. That's not my style. Today's a tough day for us all.  |
Whowhere | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:00 am     I agree Faery! No offense was taken and I too hope I didn't offend anyone. I just feel (like you) so strongly about my opinion(s) and today they only seem stronger. Maybe I should go into 'lurk mode'. Truce??!! |
Faerygdds | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:06 am     No truce! I love hear about others opinion... I think of it this way... if *I* come here and there are opposing and diverse opinions.. I'm bound to empathize with at least one of them... THen I feel like, "Whew... at least I'm not the ONLY person who feels that way" so.... speak freely! BTW who.. I just checked your profile.. and you ARE gorgeous! |
Babyruth | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:14 am     Faery...but wasn't I a beautiful baaaay-by? LOL Sorry, maybe another day for debates. I'm back to feeling sad. |
Faerygdds | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:16 am     OMG baby... you were SO CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!! I need to find a picture of me to post... LOL |
Babyruth | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:21 am     HaHa thanks. SpongeBob and I go way back, as you can see. Yes, please post a pic of the Faerygoddess for us! |
Whowhere | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:27 am     Baby - you were a beautiful baby and that sink is awesome!! What I wouldn't give for a sink THAT big!! Thanks for the compliment you guys - you're making me blush! |
Twiggyish | Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 10:37 am     Ok, I'm going to go find a baby picture of me to post, too...LOL Don't laugh! |
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