Archive through September 09, 2002
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Archive through September 09, 2002
Whoami | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 11:54 am     Mack, thank you so much for sharing that website with us. Wow, I spent over a half an hour on it, and still think I missed some stuff. God Bless you. |
Mack | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:15 pm     Thanks Whoami. By the way, Mack is my nom d'internet for BB. In other words, Mack=Randy. |
Jkm | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:25 pm     Thanks Drpepper. We haven't decided yet what we are doing to celebrate her birthday. I flew for business last week -- first time since. (Found out I had metal supports in my new shoes!!! ugh!) Comming home I got search at the gate. I wasn't nearly as anxious as I thought I'd be. My daughter's were though. We have firefighters in our family -- We've flown on planes for vacation -- we've even done the tourist thing in very tall buildings. This spring we went to Chicago and almost out of spite (because I am truely terrified of heights) we went up in the Hancock tower with my daughters. I think it was the 93rd floor. The view really gave you alot to think about. Didn't dwell on it with the girls - but reflected to myself. You get so caught up in day to day life. Working to pay bills. One day at time - from one school event to another. All wrapped up in your own little safe world. (the it only happens to other people relm). Your own little universe and all the daily drama that goes with it.... Then something happens that just shatters the image of "one" ness. You wake |
Grooch | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:30 pm     Mack, thanks for the site. I will be passing the link on to other people. |
Jkm | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 12:39 pm     Sorry got interupted. You wake up and all of a sudden you and your family are not alone in the world. You no longer feel like things happen to "other" people. You worry more about how safe your children are and what kind of world we leave for them. I have come part way around the circle. From one's own universe to grappling with the weight of all back around to an awareness and acknowledgement of just how small the world is. I no longer sit in fear and worry every day. I have my moments. I am more causious on lots of everyday things I used to take for granted. I don't listen to the evening news and cnn around the clock -- just can't handle that. I'm chosing to be surrounded by more positive influences. Volunteering with the things my kids are involved in. Hugging more. I know it won't help the world, but helps me get back to some comfort in my families universe. Sorry so long. Just really, really felt like getting that off my chest. |
Corriecat | Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 05:11 pm     I think the Massachusetts Patriots Day is the 3rd Monday in April. Its one of those non-official holidays that the kids get off school but most adults dont get off. We get it off at work because the owner used to run in the marathon but my husband has to work. If you live in certain counties of MA you also get Bunker Hill Day. Personally I don't think 9/11 needs a special name. Others may be comforted by naming it and that's good too so I wouldn't oppose it. We all have our own way to deal with it. I still get very sad sometimes when I think that a place where I had a wonderful trip with my husband and best friend isn't there any more and that so many people are gone. One month after 9/11 we were in line to cross the border back into the US when they had one of those secuity alerts and started to close the borders. We were hurried through and it was scary and sad and also made me angry. One thing I remember was how on the board we all lit candles together. It was very comforting to be doing something with everyone here. I plan to light candles this year to remember, to hope, and to celebrate the birthdays and good people here and hope others will join me. |
Calgaryperson | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 04:50 pm     Several networks begining intend to go off the air. A&E, The History Channel, The Biography Channel from 8:46 am ET to 10:29 am will show a running scroll of all the names of people who died. From 8:30 am ET to 10:30 am ET, HGTV, Food Network, DIY Network, and Fine Living will show images, and and on-screen message marking the day. Several networks will run a PSA marking September 11th at the exact same time. The networks airing it are ABC Family, American Movie Classics, Animal Planet, Bravo, Comedy Central, Court TV, Discovery Channel, Discovery Health, Game Show Network, The Independent Film Channel, International Channel Networks, Lifetime Movie Network, Lifetime Real Women, Lifetime Television, MetroChannels, MuchMusic USA, News 12 Networks, The Outdoor Channel, Ovation, TBS Superstation, TNN: The National Network, The Learning Channel, Turner Network Television, Travel Channel, Turner South, TV Land, WE: Women’s Entertainment, The Weather Channel and Wisdom Television. |
Cjr | Wednesday, August 21, 2002 - 09:49 pm     I have been thinking about 9/11 for several weeks now. How at times it seems like a lifetime ago and yet it seems like yesterday in other ways. I will hug my sons and pray that my two year old grandson doesn't see anything like this again in his lifetime. I will talk with my friends and family and co-workers and praise God that they are all safe and I am able to do so. And then I will light some candles and remember. The visions will stay with me always. The posts here are so special. Thanks to all of you. |
Twiggyish | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 05:54 am     I was thinking about this today. I hope we don't politicize Sept. 11. We have 364 other days of the year to wonder why it happened and to wonder what could have prevented it. Maybe we can think about those who died, and the thousands of selfless acts of bravery. On that day, the world literally stopped. There wasn't a country not affected. On that day, we all grieve together. Let this day stand as a testament to the human spirit. |
Reader234 | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 10:59 am     Thanks for that Twiggy, I have been thinking that as well! Last night I watched part of the 63 babies w/o fathers, it was hard to watch. Innocent lives should not be politicized. And I agree with the date thing... Pearl Harbor, huge massive life changing, and we dont refer to it by the date (I think Dec 7, 1941 - - who will ever forget FDR's speech a day that will live in infamy") I say it will take a grass roots effort tho to get people to change, 9-11 is so embedded in our minds! AND how could it not, with all the media shoving it down our throats! (referring the 9-ll, all the special newscast were renamed with 9-11) And also Calgary there was radio talk about whether or not to air commercials during these specials. A few sponsers asked NOT to air thier commercials during the time, and a few are going to pay for the entire show (Ford, Sears, and WalMart, and a plane, United? but I forget where they stood on airing or sponsoring a show!) |
Mssilhouette | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:33 am     Well as for the name I don't mind 9-11 or Sept 11. I really don't think a terroristic act needs to have a name stamped on it. We all know what it is and what happened. Pearl Harbor is only named after the place. In 1941, didn't papers call it the "Attack on Pearl Harbor", simply because I don't think many people at that time knew exactly where it was. I think we all know where New York is. So 9-11 is an acceptable name. Giving it a title isn't going to help us to remember it better. No of will forget. No matter if we call it 9-11 or not. I'd like to stick with Sept. 11 or 9-11. When the date rolls around many people will think about it because we can't help but do that. I'm sure it was the same after the anniversary of Pearl Harbor. |
Whoami | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 11:35 am     9-11 is now imbeded in our brains. Where I agree the date itself shouldn't be the Name, how else can it be refered to? As you pointed out, Pearl Harbor isn't called "December 7th." But, when it comes to physical location, Pearl Harbor was the only place hit, so it's easier to refer to the event as Pearl Harbor. Last September, three physical locations were hit. The media has already seemed to focus most on the WTC. I'd hate to think of this moment in history being called WTC, or anything like that. The Pentagon, and the field in PA were just as tragic, regardless of the fact that the quantity of lives were less. I've actually found it a bit sad that a tragic event in a specific location ends up with the location being the name of the event. I doubt the people who are involved with Columbine HS on a daily basis are very thrilled that "Columbine" has been capatalized into an event in history. Just random thoughts about a very tough subject, a very tough time. |
Twiggyish | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 12:34 pm     I guess my post made it sound like the date or name of the date was the point. What I meant was let's not spend the day worrying about why it happened, but rather let's remember those who died and the testament of the spirit. With the 364 other days of the year, we can wonder why and what could have prevented it. |
Whoami | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 01:08 pm     You're so right Twiggy. As far as I'm concerned, this Sept. 11 will be all about the victims, their families/friends, and all the rescuers involved. |
Reader234 | Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 12:54 pm     bump, due to the other Sept 11 thread, wonder if they could be combined? |
Kaili | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 09:45 pm     Okay, I'm sure there are many, many people here who won't like what I'm about to say but I'm going to say it anyway because I am getting so frustrated with this. To those who are doing "it", please don't take personal offense. I'm not directing this post at anyone in particular, but rather it's just my opinion and I need to vent. I know this is a bad time for many due to the 1 year anniversary and possibly increased sensitivity to the topic. If so, please skip this post. I really just have to say that hearing "God Bless Us" so much in reference to the terrorist attacks just kinda bugs me a bit. I went to a church today- not going to say what kind of church but I will say it wasn't mine (I was there for a friend's nephew's confirmation). While they were praying, the pastor said a prayer for the United States and God Bless us. He also said a prayer for our financial institutions but that's a whole other rant. Anyway, this bugs me to no end because it comes across to me as though WE are the only privledged people in the entire world who deserve a prayer or a blessing. Is saying this an implication that God cares more about Americans than about people in the rest of the world? I would rather hear people pray for the world or say God Bless the world/everyone. So yeah, we have the media hype, we have the national group mentality of sheep blindly following our leader (on the Iraq topic- I noticed today in the paper the media is already working for GW by running huge stories on how they have so many weapons of mass destruction in order to brainwash the masses to follow GW's plan), and we have people returning to the with us or against us mentality because of the media hype. Why can't anyone be neutral? What makes our deaths so much more tragic than other deaths in the world- including those that were caused by us? We killed civilians too- we killed MANY civilians and not just in the so-called war on terror. We've been doing it for a long time. But who cares right? Their deaths are just collateral damage and why should we want God to bless their innocent dead? Okay, I'm done. I have to say to clarify- I can't stand Bush, I never liked how he responded to the terrorist attacks, and I never joined in on the jingoism that occurred after Sept 11. I don't think you have to wave a flag to love your country and I don't think you have to give blind support to your country's actions. Some say love it or leave it, I say love it or change it. I feel for the people who lost their lives and who lost family, but I don't need to be constantly reminded. Don't worry- I won't forget. I am reminded every single day. There hasn't been a day that has passed where I haven't heard Sept. 11 mentioned in some way or another. But what do we have to "nover forget" for? So we can remember why we are over there bombing poor, innocent villages? Why we are becoming imperialistic and making a list of evil doers to overthrow? I don't buy it. Sorry. Okay, I'm ready to take the heat for this post now. |
Max | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 10:03 pm     Kaili, I posted something from my church service today over here. Maybe it will help to know that some churches are keeping a broader worldview than it sounds like you heard today.  |
Vanillarose | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 10:23 pm     Wow! Kaili, you got the point across so well!! Everyone seems so ready to think in terms of us vs. them. It seems to me that they see things in black and white, forgetting that there are so many varying shades of gray. I am sick of hearing about George Bush running from world leader to world leader to try to drum up support for an attack on Iraq, in which probably many, many innocent Iraqi civilians would be killed. I so agree with just about everything you've said, Kaili, and I think, in this national climate, you were brave to say it! I know that many people will think that we're unpatriotic America haters. It's that "you're either with us or against us" mentallity. I SAY, I LOVE THIS NATION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I HAVE TO HATE OTHER NATIONS OR OTHER PEOPLES. That's all I'm going to say, because I tend to get very intense about this issue and then I would probably start to rant and ramble. |
Oregonfire | Sunday, September 08, 2002 - 11:34 pm     oops, didn't see this thread when I created the other one, but here's what I said: I've been watching 60 minutes two-hour special on 9-11, and they are doing an excellent job. I remember the trading company that was in one of the Towers covered last year, and was glad to see them doing so well. Just wanted to put that out there. Ed. to add: Personally, I like to see the stories of those most directly affected by 9-11, not the hype surrounding it or "celebrity takes" on the day. The ordinary people whose lives were affected by the event, and those who pulled together to help them from coast to coast, are of more interest to me that some vague flag-waving. |
Maris | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 03:49 am     I sinscerely doubt that the pastor at that church's intention was to indicate the US was the only priviledged country deserving god's blessing. When a priest or any religious leader makes a blessing on people it is usually a prayer to protect people and I don't see anything wrong with asking for God's protection especially now. That our death's are more tragic to us is a normal human reaction. That does not mean we are not sorry when other people died. However, if your brother, mother, father, sister, neighbor or friend dies, it is different than a stranger dying. I wouldlike to add though people from over 50 countries died on that day, it wasnt just "imperalistic" Americans. People reacted so strongly to 9/11 because it could have happened to any of us. We could have gotten up one moring, gone to work, sat at our desks and then disappeared from the face of the earth. We can't be neutral. We were attacked. I wont give you heat for your post. I feel pity for you that you feel such anger and resentment over some people wanting to memorialize what is certainly the biggest tragedy in my lifetime. |
Kaili | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:23 am     Maris- Please don't pity me- it's not anger or resentment toward people for wanting to memorialize- it's irritation that we think so highly of ourselves. I am not abnormal for thinking how I do, and i am not alone in thinking how I do. I may be in the minority, but I'm by far not the only one. You misread a few things that I said, I believe. I didn't say we/you should be neutral- I was referring to Bush saying other nations MUST be with us or against us. And yes, we were attacked but now we are planning an unprovoked attack of another nation. Iraq isn't doing anything to us right now and there are far worse dictators in the world than he is. We only care about him bexcause he's sitting on oil. An attack is an attack. Violence doesn't create peace. It never has and it never will. I say imperialistic because we went into Afghanistan and decided they needed new leadership and we could bring it to them. We have been trying for years to get Castro out of power and now Saddam. Then we will make sure that they have the kind og government that we like. I could get started on how I feel about our treatment of Cuba but this is the wrong thread for that. Anyway, don't pity me. If people didn't have different ways of thinking, imagine the mess we would be in. And please don't assume that I don't care about what happened or that people died horrible deaths, that I think people shouldn't memorialize. I never said that. |
Resortgirl | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:37 am     Kaili, I agree with much of what you've said. I know it's not the most popular stance to take but I'm glad that you expressed it. I was recently discussing this subject with a friend, telling her how unhappy I am with the possibility of the US attacking Iraq. I hold the same sentiments as you in regards to the killing of innocent Iraqians. What gives us this right? My friends response to this is that we can't just leave them alone with their weapons of destruction... they will use them on us. I don't know what the answer is, I just know that I feel that killing them is wrong. Period. |
Maris | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:49 am     September 11 isnt about Iraq nor is it about and it isnt about George Bush either. I did not vote for George Bush and I wont vote for George Bush again but I will never change my view that WE were the victims on 9/11 and nothing will change my mind. I accept no blame for 9/11. I fully support going into Afghanistan and we did not do it to change the government, although it was an oppressive regime. If you remember, the Taliban was given nearly two months to turn over Bin Laden. They refused. They brought it on themselves. We did not go in bombing indiscriminately. There were a few mistakes made but we were a lot more careful about the Afghan people than the Taliban ever were about their people. |
Azriel | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 05:02 am     Kaili, when Bush said you must be with us or against us, he was talking about the practice of supporting terrorists. I don't think that was an arrogant statement at all. It was a cry for humanity to join us in condemning and ending terrorism. That is not just in our interest. The whole world could only profit from it. It saddens me that people would use this in a political argument against Bush. It was said in a time and place where it was very appropriate. It seems awful cold to me to use Sept 11 and the events that surround it to further a political agenda.  |
Resortgirl | Monday, September 09, 2002 - 05:48 am     You right Maris, September 11th really isn't about Iraq. And I don't think we have any blame for September 11th. But September 11th did seem to bring about Bush's desire to take out Saddam. I'm not really very well versed on politics so I have no right to discuss them. I'm just a pacifist who hates the thought of war and more dead innocents. |
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