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Wargod | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:25 pm     I was thinking the same thing. The girls in my neighborhood that age, are still little girls. My neighbor wouldn't let her 8 year old wear makeup for a school performance (which was done in a theater, with the bright lights, so make up was required.) Her reasoning was 8 year old girls are not old enough for makeup....I couldn't imagine her reaction to find the 8 year old wearing a thong!!! I think though, this goes right back to my complaint of clothes shopping for my 3 year old daughter. Aggravates me no end to have to search to find something appropriate for her, and not a miniture version of an outfit Brittney Spears has been sporting. If clothes designers think daisy dukes and the backless, midriff shirts are appropriate for 3 year olds, guess they have no problems with making thongs for 8 year olds......sigh. |
Faerygdds | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 03:31 pm     You see Wargod.. now THAT is the problem... what happee to the good old days where little girls wear rompers and little jeans and t-shirts... why do they even MAKE clothes that are WAY to mature for them??? Troubled times.... |
Spygirl | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 04:51 pm     Maesin, you've only got #457 reason so far??? I can help you with that |
Kaili | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 07:43 pm     Even the t-shirts they make for young girls have some implications that kids that age don't understand or need to be wearing...like the ones that say "hottie" and stuff. I can't think of good examples now, but I'm sure you've all seen them. And the shorts are so short! I am not very big- I often shop in petites or juniors- and it's hard to find shorts for me that don't expose my butt cheeks! |
Mamaanja | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 08:51 pm     Check out HannaAndersson.com for the absolutely cutest clothes for children. The girls clothing is modest yet stylish and fun. Very European. And this thread totally confirms my desire to homeschool our children. Yuck Yuck Yuck |
Reader234 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:17 pm     yep faerygdds, my feelings exactly!! I'm a sandwich parent!! I have a sr in high school, and one starting kindergarten! (dont get me started! lol) ANYWAY!! I'll never forget the parent meeting I went to for my middle son's jr hi, the principal casually remarked at a meeting on the drugs found in school (3 kids arrested!) that the super. of the district was appalled she informed the parents...however, as luck would have it the day BEFORE she sent REMINDER notices of the published dress code...51 phone calls on the DRESS CODE - - nothing on the drug aresst!! At the meeting, the parents wanted to discuss... THE DRESS CODE!! HELLO - wake UP!! uggg! They say its impossible to find long enough shorts. . . I say IF YOU dont buy them, they WONT MAKE THEM!! and try land's end.com, they'll make what you need, shop in the "misses" dept, they have longer shorts there... So, I "think" (mother of boys so far!! *G*) if you set the standards, and decide, your child, will understand. I also have to be honest and talk to my child about "stranger danger" dressing at home, having fun, its appropriate to wear tank tops, swimming tops, and even halters... at school, uh hu, sorry NO WAY.. each office has a "dress code" weekends, office attire, weddings etc, and guess what??? It's NOT appropriate to wear tank tops/thongs/belly buttons to show (etc) AT SCHOOL!! deal! fwiw, my opinion!! (ps I fully support EACH parent to make their choice, and to pick THEIR battles, each child is different, each home, is... please take no offense, I in do way have any answers... she is only 6... but I try!!) |
Faerygdds | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:29 pm     Pesonally I went to private Cath high school and my biggest worry was how short my skirt could be... you know how short it could be??? If you put your arms down at your side the bottom of the skirt HAD to be below the fingertips... try it... that's PLENTY short enough! You got it reader.. it's called standards.. but unfortunately it those ppl in our society that decided a long time ago that it was the schools job to teach their kids these things rather than for them to learn them at home that make things the way they are. If and when I have kids... I will DEFINITELY be home schooling!!! |
Reader234 | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:39 pm     wow Faerygdds, I didnt go to a cath school (but did see the play Late Night Catechism, highly reccomend!, oh and I am Luthern... kinda sorta understand... and my entire block where I grew up they were catholic, so I HAD to attend catechism!! *g) anyway... LOL.... we too in the '70's had that same standard, I remember grandma made my clothes, and I had to stand still while she measured my hemline on the arms to the fingertip.. now today, as a mom, THAT IS TOO SHORT!! lol!! (and my aunt, who is 2yrs older than me, well she would wear her short skirt UNDER a longer skirt, get on the bus, and viola!! no long skirt!! See, my kids dont have a chance, in addition to btdt, I also as a teacher, I have spies everywhere - - or at least my kids "believe" I do!! muhhhhaaahaha!!) |
Faerygdds | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 10:47 pm     LOL!!! It's too short for 12, but not for 15!!! Especially when you consider that I was 15 in 1986... the era of the mini (not MICRO) skirt!!! I loved my skirt!!! and my little oxfords that I kept so clean and white! The only "originality" we were allowed were our hairbows... ah yes.. the hair bows of the 80's... I remember them well... then they put restrictions on those too! Seems some ppl couldn't see over them in class!!! LOL Oh Yeah.. and socks... we got to wear funky socks! |
Snee | Monday, August 26, 2002 - 11:20 pm     it is definitely the 'in' thing to wear thongs at my middle school. last spring a teacher working in the library with me said, "look at janey over there." i didn't notice anything. "look at her butt!" and...apparently janey didn't know the how-to-get-thong trick and tried bunching up her regular undies, thong-like. pants were sheer and tightish. ewww! on that other note: many teachers i know DON'T have children. hmm. |
Schoolmarm | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 05:05 am     It was a joke at our school that teaching in the inner city was the best birth control! LOL! When I was in elementary school, we had to wear dresses, skirts or "not jean" pants until I was in 4th grade when colored jeans were allowed. We couldn't play on the jungle gym or monkey bars unless we wore shorts under our dresses. For years I thought that it was normal to wear shorts under all dresses and I remember insisting to my Mom that I had to wear my shorts under my dress to church! OK, I'm a rule follower! And I thought that it was hard to get student teachers to dress appropriately! At least none of mine this year have pink hair! The catholic school where I take the juniors for field experience has a dress code. It's simple and most of the kids like it because it is easier to get dressed in the morning and they aren't competing in a fashion show. They wear white, beige, and navy (school colors are white and Navy) plain or plaid. No tank tops, no sandals. One day per week is no uniform day. We were considering uniforms in the public inner city school to equalize the economic differences between our "inner city" neighbor hood and the middle class neighborhood that were combined for desegregation purposes. We didn't do it because we couldn't find colors that weren't gang colors. <marm is still wishing that kids could just be kids!> |
Wargod | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 09:22 am     Personally, I'd take pink hair over fighting my daughter on wearing thongs, LOL. Thank God she's only 3 and wears what I give her without a fight! I've pretty much decided that if my daughter decides to wear plaid shorts with a polka dot shirt, I won't really throw a fit, unless her bottom hangs out those shorts and she's showing too much of her tummy, LOL. I have no problem with my kids expressing their styles, but withing a certain level of appropriateness. Like Reader said, you have to pick you're battles, and decide whats appropriate for your children. But, I'll tell you, there's just times I cringe seeing little girls trying to grow up to darn fast! |
Kaili | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 12:13 pm     I start student teaching next week on Tuesday...at our meeting on campus last month were were told some of the things cooperating teachers have been concerned about re student teachers. One of the things was that they also tend to often show too much skin. Student teachers go in wearing short little skirts, tank tops, bellys exposed, etc. And here's me, shopping like crazy trying to find clothes toseperate me from the students since I am only about 6 years older than them! We were also told about one girl who would literally make out with her boyfriend in front of the school before she went in to teach (he dropped her off every day). |
Reader234 | Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 02:15 pm     Good Luck Kaili!! Hope you have a great cooperating teacher and class!! I always get laughed at when I shop for clothes, I can always find the "teacher look"!! And I so agree, IF we as consumers DONT BUY those clothes, then and only then will manufacturers get a clue and not make them. As long as there is a market, there will be someone to make a buck! I also would reccommend Land's End, they have shorts, skirts, and pants with inseam lengths!! I also tell parents to shop in the "misses" departments, and I tell them to think about the difference between appropriate and inappropriate, beach wear at an office is NOT appropriate, pleases think of school as our office!! And talk about growing up tOOOOOooo fast!!! Why is it young girls dont play with dolls/barbies beyond the age of 5ish?? Why is it I played dolls well into 5th grade, with ALL the girls I knew??!! Now, no way!! Its just too "babyish"!! uh oh, sounds like I'm getting on a soap box!! |
Earthmother | Friday, August 30, 2002 - 06:38 pm     At our local high school some parents actually (still amazes me) marched on the district office because their children were not allowed to wear shirts with Budweiser cans on them. We spent years trying to perfect a dress code that would allow kids to dress in current fashion, but not allow partial nudity and nothing connected in anyway with drugs or alcohol. Now what kind of parent fights this? It never ceases to amaze me how parents participate in behaviors non condusive to learning and behavior that is dangerous because they want to be friends with the kid instead of the authority figure. I teach middle school and at last year's graduation one parent dressed her son like a pimp and she wore an outfit that a prostitute would think was too provocative. As long as parents continue to allow their young kids to idolize performers who dress (or don't dress) the way Brittany Spears, Christina Agulara,and Jennifer Lopez, or swear like some rappers do, or listen to the lyrics of Emnim (which exploits physical violence against women) or some who promote killing and disrespect of the law, then it will continue. I've heard from kids that their parents bought them show tickets to see movies rated for +17 gave the kids the tickets and then went home...these kids are 12. If the parents condone it the kids will do it. Schools do their best to control this kind of stuff but we can't do it all. We have parents in our face all the time regarding their kids and their so called rights. It's becoming a losing battle. We have so many single parents who have to work and leave their kids to their own devices. Many of them learn how to behave on the streets. I even took a poll of my class to see how many have parental restrictions on their computers at home...sadly 5%. Scary isn't it. By the way..this is a gender biased society and girls behavior is often overlooked while the same behavior from boys is harshly handled. I see sexual harrassment by both sexes on a regular basis, but almost exclusively if dealt with by administration the boys receive the strictest punishments. Boys tend not to run home and tell mom that some girl touched his butt especially when they get to middle school. |
Faerygdds | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 12:30 am     Unbelieveable EarthMother... Although... *I* was one of those kids that my parents took to the movies that were rated R (+17 didn't exist back then)... But then again... I was a horror movie buff from BIRTH I think... I remember seeing Alien at 7ish, The exorcist on Video at 8 (although I only got the part where the furniture started flying)... Poltergiest, Amityville... all the scary ones, but they went with me and saw it first so they could cover my eyes during any partial nudity. I just liked to be scared growing up. LOL By the time I was 13or 14 I could go see a horror movie by myself, but I went for the horror, not the sexual stuff... Yep... I was a Freddy/Jason/Michael Myers fanatic! Whose fault is that??? Actually it all started with Anthony Perkins in a little movie called........ Psycho.... then another little movie called the Birds... so blame Alfred Hitchcock! lol |
Reader234 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 07:57 am     EArthmother, how about learning from a 4yr old he saw Chuckie is dead movie, he wouldnt come out from under the tables, our director called social services, and found other abuses. That may have been extreme, but I've gone to the movies with dh, R rated, and sure enough young kids are there, hard to trust a babysitter...I agree, thats why we hadnt gone to the movies in like 10 years, thanks to RENTALS!! And dont get me started on parents and dress codes. In this upper middle class suburbia (near Chicago) the principal sent the dress code home, with a reminder that spring is almost here, and dont forget the consequences or the dress code, or something like that,,, SAME DAY... 3 students arrested for drug possesion with intent to sell (jr hi btw!) She drafted a letter, planned an all school convo, and invited parents to that, plus she had the school's police offer give a talk to parents. Now, that isnt unique, right? HOWEVER, she got 56 calls complaining the dress code too strict (it lists length of shorts, no belly button or shoulders could be shown--nothing about thongs *G).. how many on the drugs? ZERO!! And how many parents in the school of 650 kids came? 15!! (because I was one of them! I "expect" drugs to be part of school, and I wanted to commend the principal for not sweeping it under the rug!!) Well, enough ranting on my part!! |
Reader234 | Saturday, August 31, 2002 - 08:02 am     oh, and can I also add, that involvement is the key!! I read the homeschool thread and thought about posting this... I insisted on knowing my kids friends, I got them involved in sports, drove them, and attended (boring) practices and games. I feel that involvement was very key. They were also part of Boy Scouts. They "bought" into the ideals, and we feel we set examples. It wasnt always rosey!! Man the arguements, and tears teenagers are rough, and I have a 5 DD, who knows what the future will hold?!! My son had a '' for a gf, well to be honest she was a nice girl, from a very respectable family, but she rebeled big time - I insisted upon meeting her family IF he wanted to date/go to big dance w/ her... I met the mom (because dad didnt allow dd to date!! if they only knew the games she played! But how to stop it?? I have NO idea!! I have a LOT to learn!!) And like above post, staying involved. Because I subbed in their schools, my kids knew I had "spys" everywhere.. not really, but it was a family joke!! In 1st grade my ds pulled a chair out from the teacher, it was innoncent, but still, because I was there, I was able to "follow thru" in an event the teacher wouldnt have told me about. At the jr hi, subbing, I have seen a side the school PR people will not publicize!! Stay involved... it may mean the difference!! |
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