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Crazydog

Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 02:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Here's a link to the CNN story

Winona's a thief!

Does anyone else find this whole Winona situation pathetically funny? First she has the hearing postponed FOUR times. Then she conveniently breaks her elbow during a court recess? I didn't see the footage, but is it really possible to break an elbow by allegedly getting hit by a camera? And then she complains about pain while on the stand to gain sympathy? I hope she is found guilty and I hope she is forced to own up to her transgressions. It's such B.S. when celebrities are given "probation" while regular folks would be getting punished.

Ocean_Islands

Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 04:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's more pathetic when people make fun of someone who might have a mental illness.

Oregonfire

Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 04:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Winona has on occassion had to drop out of movie projects due to "mental exhaustion." I think she's a frail one all right. I also think she's hugely embarrassed about getting caught shoplifting--she seems an introverted type to me. I'm glad they caught her, but wish for her sake that the whole matter had been a private one.

I've been disappointed in her post-"Heathers" career. She was my hero in that movie!

Mssilhouette

Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 04:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
You know it's even more pathetic when that same person goes on SNL to make fun of said illness. Kinda opens the door don't you think.

I saw the footage and I HIGHLY doubt that her elbow is broken. What happened is that a camera person was bumped which caused someone else to bump into Winona. But from what I saw it wasn't really hard enough to break anything.

Yeah she's frail but from the Store tapes she was carrying a whole lotta crap around the store so she ain't THAT damn frail.

Let's just stick to the facts of this case and if she's guilt let's hope she gets what she's supposed to. Nothing more, nothing less.

But she's already getting the pillow treatment by having the thing postponed for so long. By the way having a "broken" elbow would mean that it should be in a cast and it really wouldn't require a pillow.

But regardless of all these stunts, either the woman DID steal or she didn't. I know that's all I'd be focused on.

Oregonfire

Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 05:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I meant psychologically frail, not physically. She just doesn't seem to be able to handle a lot of pressure. She made a very good teenage actress, but so far, maybe not a great adult.

BTW, she was supposed to be in Godfather III, but dropped out due to "mental exhaustion," and was replaced by Sofia Coppola, whom many said ruined the movie due to her poor acting skills.

I just would not want to be famous and have everyone know your problems!

Mssilhouette

Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 09:40 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really don't see her as that frail, psychologically or physically. She looks frail, but looking and actually being one is a different matter.

You know there are some celebs that manage to stay out the public eye when they're not working. And some seem to crave it...go figure.

Jewels

Friday, June 07, 2002 - 06:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
What I heard was that the "bump" by the media re-injured the elbow that she had injured while filming the new Adam Sandler movie. Don't know if that is true either, but that is what I remember hearing.

Guinevere

Friday, June 07, 2002 - 12:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I can't help but feel sorry for her - she does seem psychologically frail to me.

I understand the point about celebrities getting away with things ordinary folk wouldn't, but the fact is that ordinary folk don't have to have their embarrassing pecadillos make international news. I'm thinking of Ryder, Hugh Grant, Pee Wee Herman.

I know shoplifting is wrong (though in a lot of cases, and especially this one, it does seem to be the manifestation of a psychological problem - I mean, it's not like she couldn't have afforded what she allegedly stole). But at the same time, it seems the humiliation she's suffered thus far is ample punishment.

I'm not saying she should get off, just that I feel sorry for her.

Marysafan

Friday, June 07, 2002 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I once had to tesify against someone involved in shoplighting. This person was a card carrying member of SAG..and a role in Stephen King's "Children of the Corn."

You would not believe the theatrics this man put on. Wailing on the witness stand, storming out of the courtroom shouting, "Why are they doing this to me!"

Fortunately, video tape doesn't lie. He had been caught in the act 7 times. He managed to come up with plausible excuses for 3 of the items...but we were able to convict him on 4 counts. We only needed one.

It appalled me to no end that this highly, educated, well respected man of the community had been shoplifting for quite some time, probably years. Thanks goodness the store finally had cameras installed. This was just the first two weeks!

He cast himself as a victim in the proceedings and played the part...but not well enough. The judge didn't fall for it, and I knew better.

There comes a time when you need to be accountable for your actions.

Pottedplant

Friday, June 07, 2002 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I agree she needs to be held accountable. If "celebrities" do not want fame, then they need to stay out of the lime light. She must have know what she was doing was wrong. I think she would have enough money to pay for Drs or therapists.
Maybe this will help her seek out the help she might need.

Christina

Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 03:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Arent there people in this world that cannot help themselves? Is clepto....Just asking if this a sickness? Cannot remember the whole word.

Mssilhouette

Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 10:03 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes its a pyschological disorder. Cleptomania, is the full term if I'm not mistaken.

I think what's annoying most people is the theatrics surrounding this case. If she has a problem then get some help but all the drama is really unncessary. I"m not talking about the media blitz but the constant dealays.

And if she has this disorder then shouldn't they be bringing in a doctor to actually say that she might be suffereing from it.

For now we'll just have to wait and see what happens in the case.

Spygirl

Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 10:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
It is a psychological disorder, camped with all of the impulse-control disorders.

Oregonfire

Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 10:22 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I also wonder--not that it's any excuse--if leading the lifestyle of the rich and famous puts pressure on celebrities to always have expensive new things. It's been a while since Ryder had a decent hit; she may not have as much money as people think.

I'm not saying that what's she's done is excusable, but feeling the need to keep herself up in the style to which she's grown accustomed may be a contributing factor in her clepto behavior.

Crazydog

Monday, June 10, 2002 - 07:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Yes, MsS, at least with regard to me you're right about why I am so annoyed by this case... it's the multiple delays, the "does she look like a homeless lady", the "magic camera bump", etc. It should be an ordinary, open and shut, here she is on the security cameras, did she or did she not steal case.

I recognize she may have some mental problems, but if that's the case she needs to get some help and all this attention that she is drawing upon herself by the quadruple postponements is puzzling. Then again, she seems to revel in it. It's sad because she has gone from a twice-Oscar nominated promising young actress to starring in Adam Sandler movies. Her career is fast fading and you can bet this circus act continues to bring her name recognition. Surely she wouldn't have landed a Saturday Night Live spot (where she proceeded to make fun of herself about this ordeal) if this theft incident wasn't brought to light.

I think the media is partly to blame. The media has a tendency to think everything is newsworthy. Sorry, but I find it highly uninteresting that Michael Douglas' brother was busted for cocaine some years ago or that just recently some singer was caught at the airport with marijuana. Then again, the whole Winona thing originates from the land of Hollywood, the same region which seems to think interrupting normal program to bring you a live 6 hour telecast of a slow-speed chase involving a stolen 7-up truck makes for riveting television.

Grooch

Monday, June 10, 2002 - 07:30 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Newsweek: The District Attorney's Office Has Evidence That Purportedly Shows Previous Shoplifting Incidents by Ryder, Newsweek Has Learned -- Jokes on SNL in Poor Taste; 'Nobody Is Going to Write a Script for Them If They Get Caught Shoplifting' Says Top Star

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Story Filed: Sunday, June 09, 2002 10:07 AM EST

NEW YORK, Jun 09, 2002 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The district attorney's office in Los Angeles has evidence that purportedly shows Dec. 12 wasn't actress Winona Ryder's first shoplifting incident (though she's never been charged before), Newsweek has learned. Ryder was arrested on Dec. 12 at an L.A. Saks Fifth Avenue on charges of shoplifting and drug possession and is facing a trial.

(Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20020609/NYSU004 )

On May 18, Ryder hosted Saturday Night Live and cracked jokes about her case. Some of her peers found that PR gambit, however successful, in poor taste, Newsweek reports. "It's not funny and kids need to understand that," says one top female star in the June 17 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands Monday, June 10). "Nobody is going to write a skit for them if they get caught shoplifting."

The shoplifting arrest occurred about a year after Ryder released two movies that tanked. "She lost that kind of cool a long time ago and watched the Gwyneth Paltrows and the J-Los take over," says another female star. "She was supposed to be Hollywood's darling, the cute one who got all the rockers." It didn't help that in Hollywood, Ryder no longer had the "right" friends, report General Editor Devin Gordon, Senior Editor John Horn and National Correspondent Allison Samuels. "She's nice," says the star, "but I have to say I always thought she was kind of odd. I think that's what a lot of Hollywood thinks."

This week, Ryder will enter a plea of not guilty and the trial will follow within six months. "I just think it's an insane circus," says Andrew Niccol, who directed "Simone," Ryder's upcoming movie starring Al Pacino. "I mean, look, she didn't kill anyone. I'm sure public sympathy is far more with Winona than some department store."

The truth is, many people are rooting for Ryder, including her past and present employers, who say they'd hire her again in a second. "She was a pro and a half every day," says Sid Ganis, who produced her upcoming "Mr. Deeds." Ben Stiller, her "Reality Bites" costar, sent Newsweek a fax praising her family and calling her "a good person." James Mangold, director of "Girl, Interrupted," says, "I think Nonie is deeply sensitive, deeply thoughtful. She loves puzzling and puzzling over things. She can get lost just in reading and thinking and listening to music."

(Article attached. Read Newsweek's news releases at


http://www.Newsweek.MSNBC.com. Click "Pressroom.")

Oregonfire

Monday, June 10, 2002 - 07:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I thought that was pretty sad how she suddenly turned up on Saturday Night Live after laying low for so many years. She's officially become damaged goods and a joke, and hopefully has the strengh of character to turn it around for herself. Hollywood is not kind to "problem" actresses with sagging careers, though some say otherwise in the above article.

Crazydog

Monday, June 10, 2002 - 10:24 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Oregon, I agree completely. She has successfully managed to become the latest in a string of people whose very name draws snickers. Buttafuocco. Gilooly. And now, Winona.

Has she appeared on any late night shows, a la Hugh Grant, to explain herself? Maybe her lawyers advised her not to say anything. If so, I'm puzzled by the SNL gig. I agree with the Newsweek article Grooch posted. Poor taste.

Twiggyish

Monday, June 10, 2002 - 10:34 am EditMoveDeleteIP
I think this is so sad. I really like Winona as an actress. She's very talented. My hope is that she will seek help.