Archive through January 30, 2002

The ClubHouse: Archives: Rose Red: Archive through January 30, 2002

Twiggyish

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 07:56 am Click here to edit this post
Some of you may find this show hokey, but I am enjoying it. It is giving me the creeps, but I can't help watching.

I am trying to figure out some of the mysteries.

1. Why has Annie been able to reach out to the "ghosts"?
2. Why does Annie play old music over and over again?
3. What's up with the minature house in the study?

Ok, now here is an observation. First, why sleep in that house? Why have separate rooms? Why do they listen to that woman in charge? and this one:
Why are there if they know people disappear?

Grooch

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 07:59 am Click here to edit this post
What is this show? I never heard of it before.

Oregonfire

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 08:06 am Click here to edit this post
I've been watching it too, and am grateful to have an alternative to inane sitcoms and gritty crime shows. Monday night programming is especially painful, with that horrid "King of Queens/Seventh Heaven" blockade.

All of the above questions have one answer: Because it's Stephen King, that's why! None of it makes any sense. King has a penchant for spooky young girls, from Sissy Spacek in Carrie to Drew Barrymoore in Firestarter. Shakespeare it ain't, but his stuff is always entertaining.

I think "Annie" is the girl from Dolores Claybourne, one of my favorite all time movies. Anyway, I'm looking forward to tonight's finale.

Weinermr

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 09:56 am Click here to edit this post
I'm glad to hear someone else is watching this. The pace is a little choppy - stop, start, stop, start, etc., but there have been a few good scary moments.

I think Annie (or the actress playing her) is the best thing about this miniseries so far. She is really good.

Imagine though, sitting in bed, watching Rose Red, the scary atmosphere, the anticipation, and then suddenly the earthquakes we had last night in Southern California hit - 4.2, 3.9, 3.8, all near where I live!

Now THAT is scary! Earthquakes by themselves can be unnerving. But the combination was a bit much LOL

Twiggyish

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 10:46 am Click here to edit this post
I would have jumped out of my skin! I was sitting there on the edge of my seat..knowing there was something ready to pop out of nowhere!
How about when they are all in the room talking and the meter showed several entities showing up.

I am glad you all are alright , I heard about the tremors (4.2?) on the news this morning.

Grooch: It's a Stephen King miniseries!

Moondance

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 10:56 am Click here to edit this post
Musciman... thought about you today... I didn't feel them but knew you lived farther north (I live in Venice)... wow, what a way to experience a scary movie!!!! Didn't we just have another one a little while ago?

Juju2bigdog

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:18 am Click here to edit this post
Weinermr, I had not heard about the earthquakes thus far this morning. After reading your post, I went here:

Los Angeles Earthquakes

That must have been very scary while watching Rose Red.

Now, as to Rose Red, this is quite weird. I had never heard of the Rose Red mini-series until I read something about it on another board yesterday morning. Yesterday Bigdog and Rover went to the Re-Store, a non-profit home building materials store. You never know what you are going to find at the Re-Store. That is where Bigdog found my magnificent mahogany desk I now sit behind. Anyhow, yesterday I tagged along. They had two antique lightposts without the light fixtures for the top. There was a piece of paper taped to each one, and I could see the words Rose Red on the paper, so I went over for a closer look. The paper was an authentication that the lampposts had been used in the filming of the mini-series Rose Red in the Tacoma, WA area in September 2000. Is that weird or what?

So then I came home and read a little something on the mini-series. The house depicted is supposed to be the Winchester house in San Jose, CA. You talk about a spooky place! Anybody going to Silicon Valley or the San Jose, CA, area, be sure to stop in to visit this tourist attraction. It is fascinating.

Winchester Mystery House
Sarah Winchester

Unfortunately, I did not see either of the first two episodes of Rose Red. Does anybody who has watched the first two episodes think it would be worthwhile to jump in on the story at episode three?

Dahli

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:20 am Click here to edit this post
Isn't the finale on Thursday night..? or are my listings totally screwed up??

Twiggyish

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 11:26 am Click here to edit this post
I don't know Juju, because they really don't recap much. You can give it a try. All I know is it is bone chilling and creepy. (Like an old fashioned scary movie) That is a coincedence that you saw that about Rose Red. I don't think I would own anything from there..LOL Going now to check those links.

Dahli, I think you are right about Thurs.

Oregonfire

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 12:34 pm Click here to edit this post
I think you could hop right in, JuJu. The first night was really choppy and mainly just some background info about the ambitious paranormal professor (Nancy Griffiths) and spooky little Annie. The professor had gathered a bunch of psychics together to explore the house, hoping to prove that ghosts exist or some such blather.

Basically the house was built in the 1890s by some rich guy for his wife. People die right from the beginning. Men are pretty much decapitated and just killed outright, but women and little girls are absorbed into the house's persona and show up on occasion to spook everyone out. Look for the black house servant, Suki something or other. She's pretty creepy. Rose Red seems to have a mind of its own, and can multiply rooms at will.

It seems that the plot pivots on Annie's connection with a little girl who disappeared into the house a 100 years before. Every time they try to touch, the connection is interupted. I think when they finally do connect, there's gonna be a whole lotta shakin' going on. That's pretty much all you need to know. That, and I'm happy to see the reemergence of Julian Sands, an actor that I loved in "A Room with a View."

Weinermr

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 12:35 pm Click here to edit this post
Yes, the finale is on Thursday night.

Moon, I would have been surprised that you hadn't felt the quakes, but a co-worker who lives in Culver City didn't feel them at all either. On the other hand, a co-worker that lives in Long Beach DID feel them.

Since last night there have been 28 additional quakes or aftershocks, and in the last 15 minutes there was a 3.6 and a 3.1.

Thanks for the link Juju. I have that site bookmarked at home and work. We get lots of quakes in the Santa Clarita area (Valencia in the site description), and I like to keep track.

Angelnikki

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 04:27 pm Click here to edit this post
i just have to say one thing
DONT TALK ABOUT THE KING OF QUEENS THAT WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE THAT SHOW :):):):):)

Juju2bigdog

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 05:20 pm Click here to edit this post
Oregonfire, thanks for the synopsis. I just might watch the finale now.

Twiggyish

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 06:42 pm Click here to edit this post
I love the characters in this one. They each fit a category. There is humor, as well. Stephen King was a pizza delivery guy.

I haven't seen a truly spooky movie in a long time. The scenery and effects are good, too.

Llkoolaid

Tuesday, January 29, 2002 - 06:56 pm Click here to edit this post
I am so glad I read this thread, I would have hated even to see a minute of this show. I cannot watch anything even a little bit scary or I have nightmares for weeks. When my kids rent scary movies I leave the house. I don't watch horror or violence, my imagination takes over and when I go to sleep I dream about my family members being the victims in these movies. I know it is stupid and fake and all that but I can not deal with them.

Kep421

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 04:52 am Click here to edit this post
I am loving this movie....

When I started watching the movie, I immediately thought of the Winchester House because I remember seeing the house profiled on an episode of "American's Castles"...At the time, I thought the house would be a great setting for a mystery novel.

I think all the characters are true King. In a sense I think the story line most resembles "IT" as it is going to take the unique talents of everyone involved to get to the bottom of this story.

I initially liked the professor who is leading this "investigation", but since the second episode, I'm beginning to think she is part of the evil somehow. I also don't trust the guy who got lost in the house as a child. Something about just him doesn't ring true. Annie, on the other hand, I think is really trying to reach out to the only "non-evil" spirit in the house.

I think that Stephen King is a lot like Mark Burnett in that he likes to make you think one thing and then jumps totally out of left field with a shocker. So I don't think the little child spirit is as evil as she is being made out to be...and I don't think the Mom is all innocence and light either. I could be wrong, as I have been before in Stephen King stories...but that's what makes him such a great story teller...

I heard he's planning to retire in about 3 years...no more books.

Kep421

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 05:02 am Click here to edit this post
Twiggy, I think I can partially answer your questions:

1. Annie can reach out to other spirrts because that is her "special" talent. One of the guys is cognitive (he can read minds) another person can see the past, etc. Everyone who has been invited to the investigation has a unique paranormal talent that the professor wants to use to "get in touch" with the spirits.

2. Annie plays old music because she is connected somehow to one of the people who died or was lost in the house. If you pay close attention, whenever they show flashbacks to a story of something that happened in the house, (especially during one of the party sequences) they play the old time Glen Miller songs. Her connection to the house is part of the mystery.

3. I believe the miniture house is real and an actual item in the Winchester House. It's connection to the story is also part of the mystery and hopefully we will find out tomorrow night.

Twiggyish

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 08:51 am Click here to edit this post
Good point about the professor. I had that sense about her, too. I think there is more to her story. The child spirit might be trying to help them, and that would be one reason Annie has not been harmed.
The connection to the 1940's, might have to do with the actress who disappeared. There was mention of large parties during that time period.
Here is something else..
As the house is reawkened, so is Annie. If you notice her speech is becoming clearer and more frequent. She is autistic, which is a disconnection from the world. The house was also in a sort of dormant state.
The rose symbol is also seen throughout the story. If you notice, it appears frequently. The house itself, is a character, as it appears to be living. I found the scene in the conservatory or glass house, is slowly blooming. The rose bush is now fully blooming.

I can't wait til Thurs.

Micknrc

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 10:04 am Click here to edit this post
Kep and Twiggy-

I have a feeling that the bad feeling we sense emanating from the professor is merely the egregious overacting Nancy Travis is doing in a desperate attempt to revive her flagging career.

If she utters one more coy, glib cliche with a little flip of her curls, I may hurl. BTW, is it me or does the Steve character seem a decade or two too young for her? (not that i don't appreciate younger men from a purely hypothetical perspective...heh heh)

But Julian Sands is positively yummy in this one (poor julian must've needed a quick buck)...and our esteemed Mrweiner is right...the kid has a wonderfully expressive face.

The writing is wearing me down, however, too much exposition/explanation. As they say: "Show, don't tell." jmho

Twiggyish

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 10:25 am Click here to edit this post
Steve is younger and it is obvious. Perhaps the Ms. Travis is only interested in him because he is heir to Rose Red? I think she does have an alternative reason for being there. There many scenes of her smiling when something dangerous is going on.
I'm going to ask a trivia question here.. Is the "old" guy with the heart problem, the same guy from the old show, "Adam 12"?

Weinermr

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 11:59 am Click here to edit this post
Twiggy -

The old guy with the heart problem is Kevin Tighe, from the old show "Emergency" (he played a paramedic), not Martin Milner from Adam 12. When I first saw him, I thought of Martin Milner too. That's funny that we both thought the same thing.

Weinermr

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 12:06 pm Click here to edit this post
Oh and my opinion of the Nancy Travis character, is that she is simply going nuts! Nothing special or significant about her - she is simply obsessed with Rose Red, and will go insane before they are through. She's already halfway there.

Kep421

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 01:35 pm Click here to edit this post
OMG Micky, you are hilarious!!!!

But you are also dead on with to much explaning...I actually fell asleep during Nancy's presentation in the first episode...us working people can't stand too much droning on that late in the evening!!!!

Hey Twiggy, good call on the connection between Annie's awaking as the house comes to life...I noticed it, I just couldn't put my finger on it specifically...

Is it Thursday yet????

Juju2bigdog

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 03:53 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay, I am going to watch it. Y'all talked me into it.

Cablejockey

Wednesday, January 30, 2002 - 04:04 pm Click here to edit this post
So far this mini-series reminds me a lot of "The Haunting". Actually Stephen King did not write this he wrote the screenplay based on a book called The Diary of Ellen Rimbauer. It was filmed in the 36000 sq ft Thornewood Castle in Tacoma Washington. I hope it has a bang up finish and so far the scariest thing I found was Annie talking about the "boogie woman"!