Archive through September 30, 2001

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Johnlvs2run

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:19 pm Click here to edit this post
Tess.... I've got it all figured out now

Karuuna

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:24 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay, Tess, but both my wing scores were equal, so what the heck does that make me?! :)

Johnlvs2run

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:26 pm Click here to edit this post
I've read types 1, 4, 5, 6, and 9 and while some of it is true... none of them fit me all that well.

Babyruth

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:30 pm Click here to edit this post
I'm a "7", followed very closely by a "2". (is that called 7 wing 2?)
Yes, it was hard to choose between them when I felt that both choices applied.
I had no points whatsoever for Type 1! Is that a bad thing?

It would be fun to answer them for Will, Nicole and the other HG's, based on what we think they would say. Anybody want to try?

Moondance

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:35 pm Click here to edit this post
Wing is you second highest score

Johnlvs2run

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Baby... lol!

I bet people who know me would answer them differently... I am curious about that.

Order of my scores... 5... 1 and 4... 9 and 3... 8, 7, and 2... 6

The lowest is right next to the highest.

I have the briggs/meyer (somewhere) ... might it be a more accurate one?

Tess

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:39 pm Click here to edit this post
Kar--I would say, based purely on the instructions of course, that you are a split-personality!! Although, on closer inspection--if your two wings are identical--that would split you between helper and peacemaker (if I'm remembering correctly) and that sounds right for the Kar I know and love.

Babyruth--the way I read the instructions, it's not unusual to have scores that are similar in more than one area however, your wing score would be the highest score of the two types on either side of your main type. So--if you are a 7, your wing would be whichever scored highest of type 6 or type 8. I think you should try the HG answering thingy. That sounds like fun--on the other hand.......

John--you're still a mystery to me, Sweetie!!

Moondance

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:42 pm Click here to edit this post
John... go take a run ... take a shower ...relax ... center and take it agin... try not to think about the questions toooo much and see what happens.

Is your sunsign Cancer or Taurus?

Karuuna

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:44 pm Click here to edit this post
Tess, except I'm a reformer, and my wingers and rationalist and idealist -- I'm really trying to figure out what that means. Unless it just means that I'm so well-balanced. :)

(PS: John's a mystery to all of us, that's part of why we like him!!)

Moondance

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:45 pm Click here to edit this post
My vote Kar would be well balanced!

Babyruth

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:45 pm Click here to edit this post
ok, I'm 7, 2, 8+9, 3+4+5+6. So I guess my wing is an 8.
Reminds me of Ernestine:
(*snort!* One wingy-dingy, two wingy-dingy)

Tess

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:49 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay--I'll admit to being confused still but luckily I saved the instructions to read all this later--after dinner. Here is the part of the instructions about Wing scores. Hope it helps. This still makes me tpye 2 wing 1 (even though type 9 tied with tpye 1)

Wings
Your (dominant) wing is indicated by the higher score of one of the types on either side of your basic type. For example, if you test as a Two, your wing will be One or Three, whichever has the higher score.
The second highest overall score on the RHETI is not necessarily that of the wing. For instance, a Six's second highest score may be Nine; this does not mean that his or her wing is Nine. (Look at the scores for Five and Seven; the higher is the Six's wing.)
In all cases, the proportion of the wing to that of the basic type must be taken into consideration. Some people will have a relatively high wing score, in proportion to their basic type. Some will have a moderate, or even a low, proportion of wing to basic type. This consideration is significant for understanding a person's reactions and behavior, particularly if a prediction of his or her performance is being attempted, as in a business setting. Understanding the relative proportion of the wing to the basic type also yields insights into the childhood origins of the person, codependency issues, and potential pathology. (For a complete explanation of the proportion of wing to basic type, see Personality Types, revised edition, 418-421).

Johnlvs2run

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:50 pm Click here to edit this post
Tess.... thank you, I like being a mystery

Well, I just found this...

"There are two explanations for this kind of close pattern.
First, the subject may have been engaged in therapy or spiritual development for
many years and may have resolved the problems and conflicts of his or her personality.

"As essence is developed, personality loses its grip;
hence, the more work a person does on himself or herself,
the more it eventually becomes difficult to test personality, and scores would be expected to equalize."

............. or............

"The second explanation for a relatively close distribution of scores
is that the subject may not have spent much time in personal development
and therefore lacks the self-knowledge necessary to take the RHETI properly.

I think the answer is somewhere in between those....

Johnlvs2run

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:53 pm Click here to edit this post
haha, thank you Karuuna

Moon, okay I will do that ... sign is taurus.

Tess

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:55 pm Click here to edit this post
Kar--I think this all means I have a headache now. I agree that you are much more balanced than the average bear.....I'm still confused about your wing placement however. If you're a reformer (that's my wing)--I think that is type 1? So your wing would be either type 2 or 9....helper or peacemaker. It's either that or I definitely need to go to bed and stay for about a week--cuz I can't read.

Tess

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 04:59 pm Click here to edit this post
John I read that part as well. I actually downloaded the instructions and explanations because I just didn't get it at first...or second... I even took the test twice (same results both times--whew).

Yep--I think you'll always be a man of mystery. I would make the most of it if I were you.

Karuuna

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:04 pm Click here to edit this post
Okay, Tess, here's what mine said:

Basic Fear: Of being corrupt/evil, defective
Basic Desire: To be good, to have integrity, to be balanced
The One with a Nine-Wing: "The Idealist"
The One with a Two-Wing: "The Advocate""

So, maybe the wings are different, given what your primary score is?

On the Kiersey test I just took, I came up with Idealist. Interesting!

Roe325

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Ok Moon, i just took the other test. and these are the results. What do they mean? be gentle.

thAssuming that you are an ENTP,
Your DOMINANT function is Extraverted Intuition.
Your AUXILIARY function is Introverted Thinking.
Your TERTIARY function is Extraverted Feeling.
Your INFERIOR function is Introverted Sensing

Tess

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Kar--I have no clue which your wing would be if both scores were identical. I'm still thinking you are very well-balanced.

Mine is: Ê
The Caring, Interpersonal Type: Generous, Demonstrative, People-Pleasing, and Possessive
Basic Fear: Of being unwanted, unworthy of being loved
Basic Desire: To feel loved
The Two with a One-Wing: "Servant"

I guess that makes me your servant then. Any commands??? Oh--and where did you find that Kiersey test?? I've been trying to get people to wait on me instead and so far it's just not working out around here. Maybe another test will give me another personality!!

Moondance

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:18 pm Click here to edit this post
John ... it doesn't matter how much you have grown...hopefully we all have the question is in how you have been the majority of your life (sometimes truth hurts:))...again not what you are working on or how you have changed but how you have handled things at a basic level.

Tess there are two different ways to figure out your wing ... the way in which is in the instructions on this particular site or on other ennergrams I have studied the 2nd highest score...

Hope that makes sense ... the wing is like your rising sign in astrology

Johnlvs2run

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:18 pm Click here to edit this post
Tess, you are funny... lol... I will do my best to make the most of it

By "reading" all of the types... the one that fits me best is type 7.

But types 6 and 8 don't fit me that well at all.

Interesting.

Moondance

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:21 pm Click here to edit this post
I have another one

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

this is Jung - Myers-Briggs Typology

Moondance

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:25 pm Click here to edit this post
Roe...
ENTP

Tess

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:25 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks Moon--that helps since I was going to be a split personality--er, well-balance, too.

In the meantime--I tried to download the second test that Kar took but I can't open it.

I'll try option number three. Thanks for the links---these are great!!!

Karuuna

Sunday, September 30, 2001 - 05:26 pm Click here to edit this post
The Kiersey test I took was here:

http://www.advisorteam.com/user/ktsintro.asp