Acknowledgement to the Moderators
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Acknowledgement to the Moderators
Faerygdds | Saturday, June 16, 2001 - 08:31 pm  OMG Nancy... I actually remember that! You got into with a live feed poster... I look at it this way... If my Father logged in to see what I said about a particular HG, would it be something I would be embarrassed or ashamed of? or possibly proud of? Those are kind of my guidelines.... but then again that's me and I'm ! |
Gail | Saturday, June 16, 2001 - 08:41 pm  I try to stick to what I would I would feel comfortable saying in person or if they read what I said about them. |
Backhome | Saturday, June 16, 2001 - 09:17 pm  I'm going to jump in with my $0.02 worth here. Once I found this board after BB started last year, it was here that I stayed primarily because it appeared to be frequented by thoughtful individuals who shared an interest in a unique (at the time) TV show. As a newbie, I had no idea of what a moderator was or what they did but as I've read the messages over the last year, I've come to discover that a great deal of why this board appears the way it does is due to the actions of the moderators. Unlike other boards, this is a community of adults (or at least adult-acting individuals) where differences of opinion are encouraged. Unlike other boards, postings don't degenerate into a trading back and forth of name-calling that is more appropriate in a grade school. I believe in free speech. However, I also enjoy an environment where I know that I can respectfully voice my opinions and have them responded to in an adult and rational manner. If others don't care to abide by the modest restrictions placed on this board, then let them post somewhere else. To the moderators -- I appreciate the job you do. You probably don't get the thanks you deserve and I'm glad someone thought to begin this thread so that we can acknowledge your efforts in helping this board's becoming the "community" it has. |
Misslibra | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 12:46 am  Backhome that someone wasn't just anyone it was Merlin The Wise One who started this thread. Spygirl, I can so relate to those BB AOL Chatrooms. When BB first began that is where I went, and plus I had not been online much, so I thought the way people were acting in there were the norm. And they can be a ruff, and very rude crowd, and some of that can easily rub off on you if you hang out in there to long. So I must admit I was a Wild Child when I came to this site, even got into a few fights, but that was after I was attack first. Look at me now, I have a whole new attitude! My goal now is to come here and have fun, and to think and be positive! There is nothing more depressing for me now then to go to a board where everyone is attacking everyone else. A certain board comes to mind but I'll keep it to myself. And I most certainly will never go back there again. Whatever forces were at work to give Neil the Idea to start this Web Site I'm thankful for it. I know I have really grown alot since being here. Because even though we can't see each other face to face you still want to be treated With respect. Lance, it's going to be kind of hard to get people to understand that it's not the person they hate but it's their behavoir, and so it's there behavior they should be critizing. That is a excellent point. But I have to admit to calling Sara a big mouth! Let's see the politically correct way would be to say. Sara talks alot, and I'm tired of her constant singing will she ever shut up?! LOL I have had a few post zapped in my time, some should of been zapped and Gail was on it, and rightly so. I was just checking to see if she was still awake, LOL and she was. I was playing that Flame Warriors Game I'm sure you all remember. The Moderators do a very good job, and it is very refreshing to come to this board and feel good about what you read, and people aren't attacking each other, and how we genuinely show respect for each other around here, and I like that alot. |
Lancecrossfire | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 12:54 am  Thanks for the additional comments. I too hope to keep my humor about me. Without it I'm pretty worthless to myself and others. Misslibra brings up a good point I'd like to echo (no intent on copyright infringement on the poster Echo ) Neil started it all of as a hobby, and others became interested in being a part of it. It is his good graces of letting others in that got the whole thing going. While it is a true team effort, he was the one that got the team going. I just didn't want that to get lost in all the talk of the moderators. Thank you Neil for letting us all be a part of something you started up almost a year ago. It is a pleasure to be a guest in your house. |
Misslibra | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 01:05 am  I agree with you Lance this is Neil's house, and when you come inside you have to show respect! If you want to fight you have to take it outside! |
Soeur | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 06:21 am  It is hard for me to believe that I have been a member of TVCH for 8 months! This was my first discussion board. My thoughts about moderation have changed after witnessing the damage done by posters who lose it. Personal animosities do not belong in public space where they poison the atmosphere for everyone. The worst problems on the site stemmed from situations where individuals misrepresented who they were and other members felt betrayed. The moderators had a tough job making calls on how to proceed in the middle of a very charged atmosphere. Now that things have settled down I hope that no conflicts are stirred up by people who just like to see eggs fry on hot cement - it is very inconsiderate to everyone else. There have been times when I have been targeted and could have responded and escalated an already negative situation but I sat on my hands. Instead, I let the moderators do their job and that was much more effective. Thanks. |
Grooch | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 06:39 am  After reading all these posts, I'm beginning to understand better what is acceptable in posting for Big Brother. But can we still call Survivor Keith "Chickenleg, Cheaterman"? |
Soeur | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 06:43 am  I like the sound of that Grooch  |
Grooch | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 06:51 am  Well, there's usually an exception to every rule. I think this one should be it. |
Wink | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 10:22 am  Well Sheesh Grooch it figures you'd pick that one to be the exception. |
Grooch | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 10:25 am  Do you have a better one?  |
Wink | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 11:00 am  On a serious note TVCH is one of only 3 message boards(all moderated), I've been an active member of other than a gardening forum where the sh*t slinging was limited to fertilizer. I have no problem with moderation as long as equality rules and the stating of a respectful opinion is not frowned upon but encouraged. And realizing that a moderators job is for the most part an often difficult and more often thankless one I add my thanks. |
Zeb | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 01:01 pm  I believe one of the questions that was asked was if the board itself was becoming like the Utopian Big Brother. What is the boundary of self expression or getting a point across on any board? Yes, in a perfect world we would all be Barney Fife and Aunt Bea and serve tea and talk about the reality shows like Miss Manners would talk about proper ettiquette. It would make things a lot easier here. However, that's not reality and it's not necessarily more fun that way for the majority of the folks. Take a poll. Controversy is like a magnet whether we get it from the TV screen or in a relevant conversation on a messageboard. In fact, CBS is counting on controversy to keep people tuned in. If it was all perfect and politically correct, 95% of the viewers would turn the set off, right? Do we participate in messageboards to have fun or to be told how to react or what to think about someone or some thing? Thank goodness it's not like that here. I think the difference is that most of the moderators have an intuition to who a poster is (if they've been here a while) and why they post what they do. Yes, BB time is nice and I'm glad to see all the new posters but what happens afterwards? I'm sure everyone would like to see the TVCH grow into a year round community rather than a summer pit stop. Trust me. You'd be surprised what all can happen in a year if you stick around. It's better than an amusement park thrill ride. |
Grod | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 03:02 pm  So, okay--referring to my previous post I am no more cleared up. Is it okay if I call myself "stupid" at times? Or am I asking a stupid question, but not actually calling myself stupid? (its sunday and i feel humorous - probably from the wine Dilli threw me last night in the chat) |
Whit4you | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 03:23 pm  I'm baaaaaaaaaaack - exhausted - but I missed ya'all soo here I am My 2 cents on this issue. If you want a highly moderated message board - pick any slow paced board on AOL. If you want totally uncensored boards - go to usenet. This board is for everyone else. As moderators come and go over time it may change - but for now they seem to have achieved the perfect balance for the majority of us that post here. I don't believe anyone could find a moderated board that was moderated in a way that was absolutely and totally perfect for them, unless they were the only moderator. What I have to say is there are two aspects to this board, the general chat amongst ourselves, and the BB game discussions. I think the way you need to approach disagreements and negative posts towards another poster here - is just how you would do so - if the TWO of you were a guest in someone else's house. If say you and "John" - were a guest at "Neil's" house - out of respect for Neil and his house, you might give "John" a hard time, but he is an invited guest so you wouldn't cross a certain line. As far as the bashing of the BB houseguests goes... I don't care if they are making a choice to play a game or not. Their best friend / mom / brother / cousins / boss and so on didn't make that choice. I believe the best way to handle your bashing / derogatory posts about houseguests is to put yourself in the shoes of their mom/ brother / son / cousin / girlfriend or whatever. Imagine how you'd feel if the post you just wrote was about your mom/brother/son/cousin/gf - if you think it'd really hurt you or make you feel really bad - for no good reason. Perhaps you can edit your post to sound less hurtful. The HGs are on TV yes, but they arent' soap opera characters - they are real people with real familes - most of whom have a computer and do get online. I'd like this to be one of the FEW places out of millions of internet sites out there, that they can go without feeling totally attacked, or like their reputation is ruined and so on. Gail said it so correct - if your bashing them for something that they can not change - it really should be removed. It's serves no good purpose and is cruel. If I were a moderator here and someone said "John looks like a dog who's been hit by a truck" - I'd remove that post. It serves no purpose - send an email to friends if you want to say that but why post it somewhere where his family or friends / or even John might see it and be hurt by it - since the post doesn't accomplish ANYTHING. If we as a group - moderate ourselves - then the moderators only have to deal with those newbies who didn't take a few hours before they began posting to acclimate themselves to our environment. All that being said - I still wonder why they don't make the BB area with a "disclaimer/warning" as most sites even the officail one - about it being 18+ only - sending those under 18 to disney.com. Because the show is not meant for kids - and really the discussions ABOUT the show isn't meant for kids either. But there's two weeks left - nobody's listened to this suggestion yet (or have they ever even seen it? LOL) sooooooooo doubt they'll start now. I assume it's cause Neil wants this board a "family" board - but well my house was always a "family" house - but their were goings-on in it - that were "adult only" if ya know what i mean LOL. Ok shutting up now |
Gail | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 04:03 pm  Actually, Whitney - this is not a "family" board - I think Neil said that it was a long time ago but it isn't anymore. There are certain words blocked by the profanity filter (and that also helps keep this from being blocked by certain company's firewalls) but it is not a kid's board. I am sure we have a few kids as members - no way to stop it. Check out the FAQs - this was one: Is this still a 'Family-Oriented' board? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ClubHouse: The ClubHouse: F.A.Q.: Is this still a 'Family-Oriented' board? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Family-oriented' does not describe this board properly, so it is no longer called that. This board is here for everyone to use, but is geared towards mature people, whether that be children or adults. It is not necessarily a child-proof area, nor is it a XXX site. It is a MATURE site. Please see the next FAQ for a definition of MATURE. What does 'mature' mean? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ClubHouse: The ClubHouse: F.A.Q.: What does 'mature' mean? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mature means, you have the brains to know when something is appropriate and when it is not. It doesn't mean you are clean as a Nun, or angelic. It means you know when to do what and when to say what. According to the Oxford Universal Dictionary: "Formed after due deliberation, deliberateness of action." |
Whit4you | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 04:36 pm  Gail - interesting that yuo say that - it was something I wasn't aware of. However, most responsible parents who don't wish to moderate their childrens net activities every moment use filters. I don't believe there is anything on this site that allows those filters to block this site - there are a couple of sites you can voluntarily register your site with (sorry can't name them off top of my head but will look them up if you'd like me too) anyhow that you can register with that will put you in their filter for parents. Those filters aren't just ment for XXX sites they are meant for sites such as this one where we at times discuss things that wouldn't be healthy for a 12 year old to read without us discussing it as if a 12 year old were listending (the drug thread for example) I'm just one of a few hundred posters here but I'd like to see one of two things happen here - the "home" screen with a disclaimer that the filters will pick up (I can research what it needs to say for the filters to pick it up if that's an option) or - the BB section is entered through a 18+ enter here (link) everyone else try kids.com (link here) or at the very least we register with the 2 or 3 most used filters. I do not believe in anyway that we should be responsible for babysitting others kids, but we can help those who do care enough about their kids to register with the filters. Frankly those kids who's parents do not in anyway moderate their kids net viewing - won't be here - they will be at the XXX sites. Seeing a bit of adult context here - compared to the other risks they face - in MY opinion - is nothing. Anyhow - I've had a VERY stressful week and I'm sooooo trying to take my mind off of it - but my brain isn't functioning well enough at the moment to know if I'm making total sense or not, but I hope I am Whit |
Zeb | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 04:54 pm  I'm polite enough to wipe my feet on the outside mat before entering someone's home and equally polite to those that want to lay down in front of the doorway.  |
Zeb | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 04:56 pm  Just kidding. (I know someone will spank me for that.) lol! |
Ryn | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 07:49 pm  Hi again, Allow me to throw out a couple of my thoughts. I recall in the early days of the board in talks with neil. He actually at times wanted anyone to be able to post anything, then saw how things would degenerate and realized their had to be some moderation. As for the board being what I want (since I am a moderator), there are many many posts that, if I only had to worry about myself, I would leave alone. But I also know that their are others that fail to see some jokes and deeper meanings in some posts. Chat/message boards are notorious for lacking one thing, the ability to hear the writers tone of voice, in other words a lot of times 'jokes' or sarcasm just don't translate well to the written word. So, I have removed/edited posts at times that I know others will not understand, when I do this I try my best to explain to the poster (if necessary) why I did what I did. Other times it is quite obvious that posters know that a lot of people will misread their posts and do it just to walk that fine line. It ends up making the moderators life more difficult but its not going to end. As far as the "family" thing. I doubt many younger individuals are going to find much of interest on this board, but I personally approved someone last week that gave their age as 16, so I am sure there are people under 18 reading and posting here. Anyone under 18 that is reading all the long winded posts (especially mine) and not immediatly going back to AOL chat is most likely more mature than some of the "older" people that inhabit this board!!! 2 weeks 4 daze to go!! |
Whit4you | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 09:19 pm  Ryan - I agree with you, the average rapper-two-live-crew-lover-teenie bopper won't be spending their time reading this board. However - if their is a parental guidance at the front door - I have missed it? Please please understand I am soooooooooo against anyone expecting the rest of the net to conform to parents who choose the internet as a babysitter and expect 100's of millions of adults to conform to a 6th grade recess level of conversation. BUT - if as a parent I dropped into this newsgroup and read a few dozen random posts - I'd say sure this is ok for my 13 yr old and wouldnt block it. If we've grown (and I have alot of hopes in what I've read here this past month that we have) to the point where we as adults don't have to gear our conversation to the level of a 6th grader, but just at a level having some decency... then I'd like to know their is a suggestion to parents at the front door. Truthfully for me I'm only saying this cause I'd like that warning at the front door of the BB section, cause it's so hard to truely discuss 24/7 of watching adults and giving folks the understanding of what's really going on when theirs no "18+" disclaimer at that front door. Bottom line and I know this from experience - any suggestion that something is adult only - ONLY serves to ATTRACT teens BUT - because this board is so ... unattractive TOO teens by its name and nature - having a mature audience disclaimer at the BB front door - wouldn't attract MORE teens to this newsgroup because they wouldn't be here in the first place. It's more of a - Hi Judy - welcome to the group - there are a few sections here you might want to keep-out-of-reach-of-young-teens Please understand I'm not trying to conform this group to my own way of thinking... I'm just offering ideas and suggestions your more then free to take or leave. I speak as someone experienced at avoding teens to a very adult natured group - and as a parent and so on. As far your comments on how this board is moderated now - your right there are so many nuances and fine lines and so on - and I think the moderators here do a damn good job of trying their best to find a happy medium for our enjoyment. |
Ryn | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 09:25 pm  Whit, I may post a longer response in a minute but let me whip one off right now.... All I can say is I would rather the kids end up here than in the AOL chat rooms discussing Big Brother (which did not have any disclaimer last year that I recall but I could be wrong). |
Lancecrossfire | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 09:33 pm  We have 1 member I know for sure is less than 18, and has been around for a bit of time. Our own Axman is 15 (or was in March). He carries on a good conversation and has added energy and some good perspectives since joining TVCH. I have no idea if his parents know of us or not. He posts responsibly, IMHO. |
Whit4you | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 09:43 pm  Ryn - (delete this post perhaps?? just don't know how to email you and wanna make sure you read it) I prolly shouldn't be posting tonight - I am fresh back from my mom's funeral and 4 nights with NO sleep here cause I'm too tired to sleep and trying to keep mind busy, so my posts may be coming across harsh and my understanding of your responses may be wrong as well... ) I 101% agree with you that out of about 5 million websites this is the one I'd most want my own 12 year old to hang out at IF my son were still 12 and didn't mean to imply otherwise ok? I'm gonna just read posts the rest of the night rather then respond to them cause I'm thinking perhaps the way I'm posting or at least the way I'm interpreting responses is totally not the way they are meant - do to sleep deprevation... I luv the moderators and this site - and would never imply that this site is detremental to teens... sorry if I said anything that lead you to believe otherwise. I'm thinking I'm "pushing" or at least sounding like I am pushing my suggestions tonight - so - I'll stop till I get some sleep and just enjoy some catching up on the last 4 days of posts till I get some zzz's or perhaps go off to my own folder and address what's really eating me instead of venting or appearing to vent in other ways Luv ya all Whit |
Ryn | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 09:50 pm  Whit, sorry for your loss. Its ok - never hurts to look at all sides of any 'argument' I never took what you wrote as venting. As for contacting me via e-mail, thats fine but most times I prefer to discuss things in the forums if possible!!! My mail is easy to find, click on my name & you shall see it. Some people choose not to publish their mail but mine is right there. |
Tksoard | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 10:21 pm  Sorry to change the subject, but I knew I could find a mod. here instead of trashing a folder for attention. The Aussie BB Live thread needs to be archived. I get "this page is too big to be seen". Thanks. I just really want to read what happened tonight while I was away. |
Ryn | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 10:32 pm  I will check into it asap - if someone else has not already!! |
Tksoard | Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 10:38 pm  Thank you Ryn! |
Admin | Tuesday, June 19, 2001 - 06:32 am  I just expect everyone to enjoy themselves without stepping on other peoples feelings, toes or egos, myself included. The day I personally stop having fun or see that the majority of members are not, is the day the TV Club will cease to exist. |
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