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Zeb | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 04:37 pm  Ok, to clarify, I'm not knocking anyone's opinions here but I do think it's a bit early in the term to be this critical. Neither Gore nor Clinton were perfect model businessmen either. |
Ocean_Islands | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:00 pm  I think you should address some of the issues Zeb, don't you think? |
Zeb | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:07 pm  Short and Sweet Clinton Issues Addressed Clinton Issues Addressed Part 2 Gore Issues Addressed Gore Issues Addressed Part 2 |
Moondance | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:13 pm  Zeb... we are talking about our future, can you address that? |
Zeb | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:15 pm  Yes, but it's way too early in G.W.'s term to make judgements on our future. According to you all, it's going to hell in a handbasket after 4 months and I'm not that pessimistic. Remember, OPEC had made its decision and the stock market was already in turmoil when he entered office. He inherited a degree of problems, so give the man time. |
Moondance | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:18 pm  It's never to early to be concerned about our future... he has been in office for over a 100 days... seems long enough to have sort of record to go Zeb... |
Bijoux | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:41 pm  Boy Zeb, betcha never thought that you and Clinton would both be urging people to refrain from jumping to conclusions on President Bush. (Just read an article on the Washington Post web site on Clinton's meeting with Jiang.) He has not started out error free (such as proposing an end to salomnella testing of beef destined for schools) and had to backtrack immediately. He can certainly be forgiven for a shaky start. Most new administrations do go through a learning process. President Bush has announced a slew of new policies, many eliminating or overturning the previous administrations'. Many of the policies he is proposing I don't support. At best they are merely trial balloons, designed to elicit feedback, in other cases it is an intention. The key for me however is that feedback is required no matter what he is proposing, no matter how long he has been in office. It is the responsibility that we, as citizens of a democracy, have. |
Zeb | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 05:59 pm  I don't like politics, but if everyone wants to get all worked up on someone they don't like anyway and base their decisions on 4 months into the term, then knock yourselves out. Literally. LOL! |
Highlander | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:03 pm  unfortunatley decisions made in the last four months can have an impact for decades to come. |
Moondance | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 06:11 pm  Yes, they have Highlander and it is unfortunate that some fail to see or UNDERSTAND that... |
Zeb | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:02 pm  That's so cliche |
Moondance | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:09 pm  We are willing to put forth facts but once again Zeb, you have not only charactor attacks on Clinton and Gore. |
Zeb | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:11 pm  Ah, but there are character attacks on Bush in here...along with speculation for our ruined future. |
Moondance | Wednesday, May 09, 2001 - 07:22 pm  Zeb We went round and round about this when you were Guru ... you are fast to judge Clinton/Gore characters but slow on producing any facts that the political discussion is about ... we have brought up many concerns and what we as Americans can do about it ... these are REAL concerns not made up. So tell us what Bush has done as a President so far that would make him presidential ... looking after our future, environmentally and finically. What we have done has presented concerns on the decisions he has made so far and you have not brought anything to the discussion to counter this. |
Zeb | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:12 am  What is there to counter but speculation? Doom and gloom. I'll ponder this thread next week. Yeah, that's the ticket. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 05:56 am  Here are excerpts from an article in todays NY Times: PRICE OF GASOLINE MAY POSE PROBLEM FOR WHITE HOUSE By RICHARD L. BERKE 05/10/2001 The New York Times Page 1, Column 4 c. 2001 New York Times Company WASHINGTON, May 9 -- Republicans in the White House and around the country are increasingly nervous that surging gas prices and rolling blackouts will pose a colossal political problem for President Bush because they are matters that he has limited control over but that touch people in their daily lives. For Mr. Bush, the issue is particularly perilous. He is trying to defuse a political time bomb while not threatening the oil industry, which once employed both him and his vice president and was a huge source of donations to his campaign. ... Leading Republicans expressed fear that the close ties of Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney to the energy industry had cost them credibility. Some also said they were concerned that Mr. Cheney's remarks about conservation last week -- that saving energy was a ''sign of personal virtue'' but not a basis for ''a sound, comprehensive energy policy'' -- could invite more recriminations from Democrats and environmentalists. ''This is going to be a very sticky wicket for them,'' said a Republican strategist who is close to the White House. ''Emotionally, there's a lot of suspicion about the oil companies' motives'' and that energy executives are Mr. Bush's ''pals making money -- and he's not going to crack down on them.'' He added: ''It really throws his message discipline and agenda control out the window. This is going to be a really significant test because all of a sudden education doesn't matter as much.'' ... Representative Jay Inslee, Democrat of Washington, cast the matter as one of the people battling big oil, saying: ''The president of the United States needs to start listening to those people in the food banks rather than his contributors in the state of Texas. He doesn't work for the oil companies anymore, he works for us.'' |
Zeb | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 09:28 am  "surging gas prices and rolling blackouts will pose a colossal political problem for President Bush because they are matters that he has limited control over" It's not a problem if all the whiners would realize that. |
Max | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 09:31 am  I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, Zeb. Do you mean it's not a problem for the President or that surging gas prices and rolling blackouts aren't a problem? Are you saying that people are whining about the President and how he's handling these issues or whining because they are paying more for gas and occasionally have no power to their homes and businesses? Just wondering. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 09:39 am  I think the operative word is 'limited'. He does have some control over legislation. He does have some control over perceptions and policies. Obviously he can't lower gas prices with a signature. We've mostly been talking about environmental issues, not gas prices. |
Zeb | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 10:46 am  I'm saying that all the people in this thread that are whining about things they know the President has limited control over should pipe down. You talk about me getting all worked up but it's nothing compared to what you all have been doing. It's like a lynch mob. You take some of the comments most of you have made, hand them to some dolt who believes it and it winds up getting someone shot or injured. Give the man some time. The future isn't doomed after only four months. |
Zeb | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 11:20 am  To clarify, when I say "dolt" I mean someone who believes the hype that our future is doomed after only 4 months and has an immediate illegal solution to the problem. |
Ocean_Islands | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 11:25 am  I don't think there has been any whining here. This is a place to sound off about current and threatening government policies. Obviously the future isn't doomed after only four months. It takes an active engagement in the issues to know what you believe and are willing to fight for. So what are your solutions, Zebman? Are you in agreement with everything the Bushmeister is up to lately? |
Karuuna | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:05 pm  No, nothing is doomed after 4 months. But trends and directions can certainly be seen. And to ignore that Bush has renegged on promises, and his general direction is little environmental concern, and great sympathy toward big business would be foolish. JMO. Now, I hope some dolt doesn't come and shoot me!  |
Zeb | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 12:56 pm  No, you're not in the spotlight of criticism/fanatacism. |
Kady | Thursday, May 10, 2001 - 01:42 pm  Zeb---Just so you know you are not the only Bush supporter, you have me and Az on the Bush side. I just don't like discussing politics. To be totally honest, I don't know much... my support of Bush is solely based on character. |
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