Archive through March 15, 2001

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Norwican

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 11:12 am Click here to edit this post

Thanks for your answer Rollerboy (although I disagree ).

It's your turn to pick someone.

Rollerboy

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 11:18 am Click here to edit this post

Since I don't know who's already been up to bat, who wants to play? Don't be shy.

Lafatme

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 01:14 pm Click here to edit this post

i will

Rollerboy

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 02:52 pm Click here to edit this post

ok Laf, truth or dare.

Lafatme

Tuesday, March 13, 2001 - 09:47 pm Click here to edit this post

sorry, i got called away and forgot i volunteered. okay, truth.

Rollerboy

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 06:04 am Click here to edit this post

You walk out into your front yard tomorrow morning to get the paper and find a trash bag containing 1 million dollars in small bills. What do you do and why?

Lafatme

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:12 am Click here to edit this post

aw c'mon roller, i don't think this is the proper forum for me to give investment advice.

Rollerboy

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:17 am Click here to edit this post

Good answer Laf, and honest to. :)

Your turn to pick.

Lafatme

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:22 am Click here to edit this post

i want to say "find the owner and return it" but that wouldn't be true. i would keep it, try to support some churches and charities, give some to homeless and needy people, and get a new lexus sc400.

but i did say truth:

thr REAL truth is that i will NEVER find a million dollars in my yard so we'll never know if this answer is really true or not.

Guruchaz

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:24 am Click here to edit this post

Sorry Laf. Go ahead and make your post.



Max, truth or dare?

uh huh huh!

Lafatme

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:27 am Click here to edit this post

misslibra...TRUTH OR DARE?

and it won't be a hypothetical question. i am going to play golf though so i'll be away a while. if someone else wants to take my place for the day it's okay. i'll be back later.

Max

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:50 am Click here to edit this post

Two challenges at once? :)

I'm up for it.

Truth, GuGu. You scare me not!

Merlin

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:55 am Click here to edit this post

back away Max, guru/charlene must have a loaded question for you.

Max

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 08:57 am Click here to edit this post

Ah, but GuGu has no idea what kind of guns and ammo I have in MY arsenal! LOL

Guruchaz

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 09:59 am Click here to edit this post

Truth it is.

Max, you've expressed some views concerning feelings and thoughts in regard to people who are either confused about their gender or have possibly undergone "the operation".

___________

Have you, yourself, either undergone such an ordeal or witnessed someone going through this?

If so, please explain.

Max

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 10:40 am Click here to edit this post

I am woman--always have been, always will be. Can't conceive of wanting to be anything else! :)

However, I have a good friend who is a transsexual or transgender, if you prefer. I think I've mentioned her here before. I didn't know her before the surgery. We worked in the same company, but not together or even in the same location. After the surgery, we did work together and became good friends. I've learned a lot from her in terms of what the process was, what made her need to have the surgery, and more. I cannot imagine her having been a man--she just seems to think like a woman (and I think we all acknowledge that there is a difference in how male vs. female synapses fire off). I cannot imagine being in the shower and feeling physically ill because of how my body parts are configured. Or looking in the mirror and feeling that a stranger was looking back at me. That's the kind of thing she dealt with for 40-some-odd years.

The whole thing is very interesting to me because I like to think that I look at people without making prejudgements based on outward appearances--especially gender. I mean, that's what the women's movement in the '70s was all about--seeking equality and removing gender stereotypes.

However, getting to know Patti and learning about her struggles has made me realize that saying I don't make assumptions based on gender and really living that way are two different things. Really what it's done is make me aware of the gender-based prejudices I have in ways that I never would have confronted if I didn't know Patti.

For example, I recently had a job opening and was interviewing candidates. One person came in and looked rather androgenous. His style of dress, his mannerisms, even his facial structure, were somewhat feminine. My mind kept wanting to pigeon-hole him into a category of gay or transgender or to find something to more clearly place him squarely within the "male" category. That bothered me. Why did it matter? It really didn't! All that mattered was whether he was qualified for the job I was trying to fill. Certainly, no matter which category he ultimately fell into, it wouldn't (and didn't) effect my hiring decision.

This kind of thing really makes me get introspective. What is it about me that makes me want to categorize based on gender? Why does it matter? Why can't I get past that completely?

It's an issue that's raised itself here, too, in Game I. Why was it important that a player's gender be identified? When the player didn't identify it specifically, but allowed others to make assumptions, why was it so controversial when folks discovered their assumptions were incorrect? If you removed "gender" and replaced it with "skin color", would you feel differently about the whole issue?

Kinda makes you go, "hmmmmmmmm," doesn't it?

If you are a Star Trek fan, there is a wonderful episode in the original series. I don't remember the name, but it has to do with two alien beings who are pursuing each other with a venomous hatred across the galaxy. Each is completely white on one half of his body and completely black on the other. Why do they hate each other? Because one is white on the left and the other is white on the right. A very powerful statement on racism and a daring topic in the late '60s when it was origially aired.

I think we've progressed in our ability to think beyond skin color, although we certainly aren't completely color-blind yet. We've still got a long way to go in thinking beyond gender, though. Or, at least, I do.

Does that answer your question?

Merlin

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 11:00 am Click here to edit this post

Good response Max. What makes me go hmmmmmm is the fact that guru/charlene asked this question. Coincidence I guess.

Guruchaz

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 11:10 am Click here to edit this post

<sigh>


Yes, excellent answer Max. Have you always gone by Max? Ok, nevermind.

Misslibra

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 03:08 pm Click here to edit this post

Ok Laf I'll take truth and please be gentle with me. Or else I wont tell you shit ! LOL

Guruchaz

Wednesday, March 14, 2001 - 03:11 pm Click here to edit this post

LOL ML!

Good to see you around again.

Lafatme

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 03:38 am Click here to edit this post

misslibra,

please state your best and worst experiences here at the tvch.

thanks

Misslibra

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 08:08 am Click here to edit this post

Well lets see, the worst times for me would be when things get to politcally correct around here, you began to feel you can't really express yourself and say what you feel. Without someone taking it the wrong way. You feel like the site is being taken over by a bunch humorless old people who are so sensitive you have to walk on eggshells at times around here. JMO

The best times are when I come here and I read posts that gives me the first smile or the first laugh that I have had all that day. The welcome back thread after the Game also was a big lift for me. The kind comments that were posted in it did my heart good!

Laf, that wasn't so bad, I must say I began to wonder if he is taking this long to come up with a question it's probably going to be a humdinger of a question.

And it's not that you took to long, it's that I have found myself to be very impatient and in a hurry to get things over with. A trait that I am coming to dislike about myself. My mom said when I started to walk I never walk but always ran everywhere I went as soon as my feet hit the floor always in a hurry to get to where I'm going.

Ok whos the next victim, and could you hurry it up! J/K

Digilady

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 08:22 am Click here to edit this post

I'll take one, Libra!

Misslibra

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 08:23 am Click here to edit this post

Az... Oh Az where are you ? Truth or Dare ? I have a juicy question to ask you.

Misslibra

Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 08:27 am Click here to edit this post

Ok Digi Truth or Dare ?