Are you politically correct?

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Moondance

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:02 am Click here to edit this post

Twiggy you expressed yourself very well also!... I did not find your posts attacking at all... you had great points as did Adven.

Moondance

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:03 am Click here to edit this post

BTW... Ocean care to comment other than about your car... you did start the thread

Ocean_Islands

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:21 am Click here to edit this post

Political correctness is a kind of new Puritanism.

What is wrong with the Puritans and Puritanism?

Contrary to what the word means, it does not mean 'to be pure'. It means to be perfect.

People who are accepting of others realize that there is no such thing as perfection.

Being perfect does not exist. However, some people maintain it as a way to judge others.

Puritanism is about judging others to determine whether or not they are perfect (or what they might call 'pure'). There lies the problem.

The problem with political correctness lies in its desire to judge other people and their approach to the world.

It's all very well and good to want a perfect world and perfect people in that world.

It's entirely wrong, however, to expect people to live up to that ideal image as one sees it in one's own mind, with the operative word being 'ideal'.

Norwican

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:33 am Click here to edit this post

only when necessary.

Twiggyish

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 08:31 am Click here to edit this post

"Puritanism is about judging others to determine whether or not they are perfect (or what they might call 'pure'). There lies the problem."

I don't know about that. How does it apply to PC?
If you mean being PC, it is forcing a person to be perfect?
Why can't it be a mixture of both?
While we may not live up to expectations or ideals as people, we can accept others and take into consideration those things which may be offensive to them.
Perhaps I am not understanding your meaning. **debate mode**

Moondance

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 08:42 am Click here to edit this post

I am with Twiggy on this one!
The definition does not mean to be perfect but to consider others feelings

Lancecrossfire

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:03 am Click here to edit this post

Digi, the Lexus isn't big at all. Two door sports car version. Just a bit smaller than your Vette. But since it's not a Beemer, I'm not a yuppie! yeah!

Rollerboy

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:13 am Click here to edit this post

Some Observations:

Fair does not equal real. "Fair" is the imposition of societal values on the members of that society in order to "level the playing field". In order to protect those of lesser wealth, health, strength, etc. "Real" is what is.

Politically Correct means, you agree with me in the context of whatever. The words would seem to be mutually exclusive. It used to be "politically correct" to slaughter Native Americans and lynch African-Americans. Political, yes. Correct, no.

BMW's are fine cars. I couldn't afford the Boxter (that I wanted). So I got the BMW roadster and haven't had so much fun on the road since I sold my '72 MGB way back when.

Max, I take issue with #2 on the list of agreements. If someone decides that I'm an ***hole, (his opinion), and proceeds to kick my ***. Even if I don't take it personally, I would still suffer.

Ocean_Islands

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:22 am Click here to edit this post

In a perfect world, no one's feelings would be hurt.

Digilady

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 10:45 am Click here to edit this post

LOL Roller!

Your statement "Politically Correct means, you agree with me in the context of whatever" is right where I was going. Me, I call em sheep.

OI-vey put it very nicely, as he usually does.

Mrs. Un-Pc here just lets it rip! No harm, no foul meant.

Lawsie folks take things personally sometimes! Need to lighten up, I tell ya.

OI, in a perfect world, reckon folks would =have= feelings? (Thinking the Stepford Wives, here"

Norwican

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 12:35 pm Click here to edit this post

Don't necessarily agree Rollerboy and Digi.
For example, in my "professional life" I may not agree with a client and have no problem telling them so. However, it would not be in my best interest to tell him (generally is a him) exactly how I feel about him.
In that instance, I feel it necessary to be "politically correct" and not call him a pr*ck or whatever other endearing term that may come to mind when speaking to this person. In my "non-professional life" I do not feel it necessary to be "politically correct" at all.

Willi

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 12:56 pm Click here to edit this post

There are times when it is necessary to be politically correct.

For example, I was very active in getting legislation passed here in New Hampshire. In order for this to happen, I was forced to listen to people who said very unkind things about childrens protection and how tougher laws were not necesssary...They had all kinds of really ridiculous & outdated arguments...These were, however, State legislators & State Senators. I didn't have the luxury of telling them what I thought of them and their opinion. It would have been wonderful...I would have felt GREAT...However, this legislation would have been dead in the water. Would I of felt better giving those people a severe tongue lashing? Yes. But only temporarily so. Instead, I sucked it up...I listened politely & had all my facts & experts in order which I presented in a calm manner...A very PC manner.

Mission accomplished.

Rollerboy

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 01:22 pm Click here to edit this post

That isn't political correctness, that's just politics, Willi

Max

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 01:27 pm Click here to edit this post

It's diplomacy. Knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em is key not only in poker, but in life, especially when you are trying to keep the bigger picture in mind.

As Spock said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Willi

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 01:33 pm Click here to edit this post

$#%!
I wanted to be politically correct!
Just for a moment...lol

:)

Norwican

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 02:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Willi... you're political and correct

Soeur

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 02:14 pm Click here to edit this post

Nor just tied it all up neatly.

Willi

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 02:55 pm Click here to edit this post

Awww...
Thanks Nor :)

Twiggyish

Monday, February 12, 2001 - 03:50 pm Click here to edit this post

Nor, exactly. I teach a classroom of adults. (A school is not a place to NOT be PC) There are many times I could "let it rip" .. but I have learned to refrain from that luxury. It is better to hold my tongue and then vent later. Surprisingly, the students who have been trouble in the past, usually end up in one of my other classes, the next term..lol Go figure.

Glass

Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 10:21 pm Click here to edit this post

It seems like a bunch of folks nowadays have a big chip on their shoulders about perceived personal and social injustices and act the role of victim or social savior (even for long past misdeeds - I say get over it and move on!). Instead of "political correctness" - which has always seemed like an oxymoron to me anyway, what about moral correctness? Whatever happened to the GOLDEN RULE? and for that matter PERSONAL ACCOUNTIBILITY for one's own actions and speech? A little respect for each other as human beings would go a long way.

Also, I can't help but notice that many PC folks seem to lack a basic sense of humor (they take everything & themselves too seriously) or even show much common sense about what they are supporting or fighting against. It has gotten a bit extreme, even fanatical at times.

I always liked "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "Judge not lest ye be judged. This of course is just MHO.

Digilady

Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 11:01 pm Click here to edit this post

Yeah buddy! Glass, I like your POV.

PC folks always seem, somehow, massively superior to the rest of us. Do as we say, or... you're not PC! LOL

As to the humor gene, that never did come with the package.

Glass

Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 11:34 pm Click here to edit this post

Thanks Digilady!!! I guess we can just be hopelessly un PC together! I'm hoisting a beer in our honor (the hops and barley were killed/harvested humanely so it ok).

Twiggyish

Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 05:36 am Click here to edit this post

Well we are entitled to our opinions. As to Judge not lest ye be judged..I live by that creed. To me it is far more caring, to take into consideration the feelings of others. But then what do I know. IMHO

Digilady

Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 08:37 am Click here to edit this post

Exactly, Twig.

Especially the judging part.

I think that's where I get so whacked about the PCers. Woah! You agreed with =that=?

Watch out, girlfriend, they're gonna yank your PC card!

<snark>

Twiggyish

Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 08:49 am Click here to edit this post

lol