Are you politically correct?
The ClubHouse: General Discussions - Jan -Apr. 2001: February:
Are you politically correct?
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Moondance | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:02 am  Twiggy you expressed yourself very well also!... I did not find your posts attacking at all... you had great points as did Adven. |
Moondance | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:03 am  BTW... Ocean care to comment other than about your car... you did start the thread |
Ocean_Islands | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:21 am  Political correctness is a kind of new Puritanism. What is wrong with the Puritans and Puritanism? Contrary to what the word means, it does not mean 'to be pure'. It means to be perfect. People who are accepting of others realize that there is no such thing as perfection. Being perfect does not exist. However, some people maintain it as a way to judge others. Puritanism is about judging others to determine whether or not they are perfect (or what they might call 'pure'). There lies the problem. The problem with political correctness lies in its desire to judge other people and their approach to the world. It's all very well and good to want a perfect world and perfect people in that world. It's entirely wrong, however, to expect people to live up to that ideal image as one sees it in one's own mind, with the operative word being 'ideal'. |
Norwican | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:33 am  only when necessary. |
Twiggyish | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 08:31 am  "Puritanism is about judging others to determine whether or not they are perfect (or what they might call 'pure'). There lies the problem." I don't know about that. How does it apply to PC? If you mean being PC, it is forcing a person to be perfect? Why can't it be a mixture of both? While we may not live up to expectations or ideals as people, we can accept others and take into consideration those things which may be offensive to them. Perhaps I am not understanding your meaning. **debate mode** |
Moondance | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 08:42 am  I am with Twiggy on this one! The definition does not mean to be perfect but to consider others feelings |
Lancecrossfire | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:03 am  Digi, the Lexus isn't big at all. Two door sports car version. Just a bit smaller than your Vette. But since it's not a Beemer, I'm not a yuppie! yeah! |
Rollerboy | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:13 am  Some Observations: Fair does not equal real. "Fair" is the imposition of societal values on the members of that society in order to "level the playing field". In order to protect those of lesser wealth, health, strength, etc. "Real" is what is. Politically Correct means, you agree with me in the context of whatever. The words would seem to be mutually exclusive. It used to be "politically correct" to slaughter Native Americans and lynch African-Americans. Political, yes. Correct, no. BMW's are fine cars. I couldn't afford the Boxter (that I wanted). So I got the BMW roadster and haven't had so much fun on the road since I sold my '72 MGB way back when. Max, I take issue with #2 on the list of agreements. If someone decides that I'm an ***hole, (his opinion), and proceeds to kick my ***. Even if I don't take it personally, I would still suffer. |
Ocean_Islands | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 09:22 am  In a perfect world, no one's feelings would be hurt. |
Digilady | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 10:45 am  LOL Roller! Your statement "Politically Correct means, you agree with me in the context of whatever" is right where I was going. Me, I call em sheep. OI-vey put it very nicely, as he usually does. Mrs. Un-Pc here just lets it rip! No harm, no foul meant. Lawsie folks take things personally sometimes! Need to lighten up, I tell ya. OI, in a perfect world, reckon folks would =have= feelings? (Thinking the Stepford Wives, here" |
Norwican | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 12:35 pm  Don't necessarily agree Rollerboy and Digi. For example, in my "professional life" I may not agree with a client and have no problem telling them so. However, it would not be in my best interest to tell him (generally is a him) exactly how I feel about him. In that instance, I feel it necessary to be "politically correct" and not call him a pr*ck or whatever other endearing term that may come to mind when speaking to this person. In my "non-professional life" I do not feel it necessary to be "politically correct" at all. |
Willi | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 12:56 pm  There are times when it is necessary to be politically correct. For example, I was very active in getting legislation passed here in New Hampshire. In order for this to happen, I was forced to listen to people who said very unkind things about childrens protection and how tougher laws were not necesssary...They had all kinds of really ridiculous & outdated arguments...These were, however, State legislators & State Senators. I didn't have the luxury of telling them what I thought of them and their opinion. It would have been wonderful...I would have felt GREAT...However, this legislation would have been dead in the water. Would I of felt better giving those people a severe tongue lashing? Yes. But only temporarily so. Instead, I sucked it up...I listened politely & had all my facts & experts in order which I presented in a calm manner...A very PC manner. Mission accomplished. |
Rollerboy | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 01:22 pm  That isn't political correctness, that's just politics, Willi |
Max | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 01:27 pm  It's diplomacy. Knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em is key not only in poker, but in life, especially when you are trying to keep the bigger picture in mind. As Spock said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."
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Willi | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 01:33 pm  $#%! I wanted to be politically correct! Just for a moment...lol
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Norwican | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 02:01 pm  Willi... you're political and correct  |
Soeur | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 02:14 pm  Nor just tied it all up neatly.  |
Willi | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 02:55 pm  Awww... Thanks Nor |
Twiggyish | Monday, February 12, 2001 - 03:50 pm  Nor, exactly. I teach a classroom of adults. (A school is not a place to NOT be PC) There are many times I could "let it rip" .. but I have learned to refrain from that luxury. It is better to hold my tongue and then vent later. Surprisingly, the students who have been trouble in the past, usually end up in one of my other classes, the next term..lol Go figure. |
Glass | Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 10:21 pm  It seems like a bunch of folks nowadays have a big chip on their shoulders about perceived personal and social injustices and act the role of victim or social savior (even for long past misdeeds - I say get over it and move on!). Instead of "political correctness" - which has always seemed like an oxymoron to me anyway, what about moral correctness? Whatever happened to the GOLDEN RULE? and for that matter PERSONAL ACCOUNTIBILITY for one's own actions and speech? A little respect for each other as human beings would go a long way. Also, I can't help but notice that many PC folks seem to lack a basic sense of humor (they take everything & themselves too seriously) or even show much common sense about what they are supporting or fighting against. It has gotten a bit extreme, even fanatical at times. I always liked "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and "Judge not lest ye be judged. This of course is just MHO. |
Digilady | Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 11:01 pm  Yeah buddy! Glass, I like your POV. PC folks always seem, somehow, massively superior to the rest of us. Do as we say, or... you're not PC! LOL As to the humor gene, that never did come with the package. |
Glass | Wednesday, February 14, 2001 - 11:34 pm  Thanks Digilady!!! I guess we can just be hopelessly un PC together! I'm hoisting a beer in our honor (the hops and barley were killed/harvested humanely so it ok). |
Twiggyish | Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 05:36 am  Well we are entitled to our opinions. As to Judge not lest ye be judged..I live by that creed. To me it is far more caring, to take into consideration the feelings of others. But then what do I know. IMHO |
Digilady | Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 08:37 am  Exactly, Twig. Especially the judging part. I think that's where I get so whacked about the PCers. Woah! You agreed with =that=? Watch out, girlfriend, they're gonna yank your PC card! <snark> |
Twiggyish | Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 08:49 am  lol |
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