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Oregonfire

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 01:40 am EditMoveDeleteIP
My sister always uses her cell phone while she's driving, but I have a hard time getting a hold of her, so it's often the only time we can talk. But when I was home to visit a few weeks ago, I found out that she drives with the cell phone in one hand, and a cigarette in the other, and her *knee* steers the car! I was like "what the heck are you doing?!" Scary stuff.

Here's another random topic: How many of you like working really late at night? I've been working online from 11 p.m. to 2 p.m. of late and enjoy the schedule. Am I the only vampire?

Here's another random topic: Do you think that there is anything to the "birth order" theory? I'm the younger child and I guess I act like it.

Resortgirl

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 06:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Grace, I forgot my computer on when I went to watch BB and then I fell asleep, so it was on all night... OOPS!

Glad you're OK!!!

Sia

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 12:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Speaking of computers and phones, does anyone here use "call-wave" to take messages while on-line? We just have one phone line & being on the computer ties up my telephone line; I do have call-waiting, but the caller just hears my line ring & ring if I'm on-line. It annoys my m-i-l to be unable to reach us. Anyone prefer another service to call-wave? Thanks.

Urgrace, I'm so happy you're safe!

Oregon, I hope you're feeling well now. My CAT-scans last month to check on my hernias also revealed that I have a 2.5-cm ovarian cyst? Do I have to do anything about this? Surgeon who ordered CATs is NOT my ob/gyn, so he doesn't care about the issue. My D.O., likewise, tells me to consult my gynie. I'm fed up with specialists! Drives me nuts!

Whit4you

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 03:26 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
My random topic of the day - prositution.

Can someone explain to me why it's prefectly legal for someone to spend 30 bucks on drinks for a gal and get lucky but it's not for him to just hand her the 30 bucks?

Can someone explain to me why it's legal for a gal to get paid to have sex with a guy if there is a director directing it...(porn flick) but it's not legal if there is no director?

Can someone explain to me why it's legal for someone to get beaten to a pulp for $$ (boxing) but not do something else sexual with their own body..ie sex for $...

Can someone explain to me why we spend BILLIONS of dollars fighting prostitution every year - billions that could be spent on trying to help all the women who are raped every year... why in the world would we as a society want to spend billions to fight a women doing something with another consenting adult - when those $$ could instead be spent on helping to stop the thousands of women a year who are beaten or killed or raped.

I think prostitution being illegal is one of the most pathetic situations out there.

And why oh why are the pro-abortion people not outraged by this.. it's OUR bodies so why is it not OUR bodies when we decide we want to collect a fee for sharing it with someone else.

No I'm not a prostitute nor have any interest in ever being one... but one of my best friends was and I she was a great gal...she's dead now but she was an awesome lady and I see nothing wrong with what she did.

I think it's pathetically hypocritical for our govenment to spend more money fighting a women doing something willingly with her body then they do to fight the rapist who do not give a women a choice. There are 10's of thousands of dna packets sitting on a shelf - because there is not enough funding to test them... to get those rapist off the streets... because they are to busy spending their $$$ on vice squads.

Ducky

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Sia, We have had CallWave for over 6 years and have had no trouble with it and feel it is worth every penny we spend for not missing important phone calls.
When we first signed up it was just $1.00 per month but during the years there has been upgrades so they raised the price and we pay $3.95 a month now and they just add it to your phone bill.
CallWave has updated again and now has caller ID so you can also see who is calling you as the persons number shows up. Which is nice so you don't have to try and remember there number if you forgot it.
I don't know of any other program out there other then this one.
And Oh! I Just looked in your profile. I'm from OZ to!

Lancecrossfire

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:12 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ducky!!! Hi!

Ducky

Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 10:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Hi! Lance

Jan

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 10:05 am EditMoveDeleteIP
certainly a contentious topic whit but I agree with you. You make some very valid points (and I have never even known a prostitute :))

I think if prostitution were legalized then monthly medical checkups could become mandatory and the whole thing would be a lot safer. It is never going to go away anyway, so why not legalize it and then it can be better controlled.

Isn't it legal in Nevada?

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 11:11 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Change of subject to cheer you up this Sunday afternoon.. (This was emailed to me)

http://www.lifegem.com/index.htm

Post your thoughts on this..

Halfunit

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Twig.. what will they think of next??

Whit4you

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Intersting concept Twig - guess it seems to me to be a bit morbid but it certainly isn't up to me to judge what others might do in a case like this.

Twiggyish

Sunday, September 15, 2002 - 03:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I think it's awful!

Of course, it'd make you think twice before buying estate jewelry..LOL (It might be Grandma)

Whit4you

Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Wondering what people think of the schools using the kids to sell magazines and other assorted items? The marketers make a great deal of money using the kids (and their parents....friends of parents...and so on)

I had one child.. most of my friends had 2 or 3.

Personally I've never agreed with it - they offer them prizes sure but the amount of money your friends have to cough up to buy the things they are selling could be put to better use I think in direct contribution to your kids school etc.

Those 4 dollar a roll wrapping paper...etc...ya know?

I just don't agree with alot of the messages it sends out and don't like corporations making a profit off our kids labor. I think if they want to make money for the school they should make something - for example xmas decorations and then use the donations directly for the school... rather then having some company making a profit.

This has always bugged me - rather then have my son hit my friends up for them to pay some outrageus price for wrapping paper. I asked him which of the prizes he was going for and gave him alternative ways he could earn the prize (mowing lawns... raking leaves...and so on) then if he worked hard I'd split the cost with him when he was halfway there.

I think my friends could all donate their money to their own kids school and I can donate what I have to donate to my son's school.

This is just my opinion obvoiusly most don't agree with it or it wouldn't be a common practice in schools all over america.

Urgrace

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:37 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Whit, it has always bugged me that the nation can berate and belittle other countries for child labor, but let our own children sell cookies, wrapping paper, candles, and candy for profit. Even if the children make the product themselves it's still child labor.

Problem is most of the parents are already paying plenty of taxes to support the schools, and yet have to pay extra for their school supplies, some for books, and clothes and in some instances tuition. But because our society expects the children to be socially active there has to be a way to support all the extra curricular activities as well.

My granddaughter was presented with her fund raiser catalog the first week of school. She is in pre-K and just turned 5. I have no idea what the 'cause' is.

Twiggyish

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 11:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Our school used to require they sell at lest $50.00 worth of candy, magazines..etc.
Finally, they decided to allow parents to make donations, without having the sales.
My husband used to take the candy boxes to work and let the "chow hounds" buy..LOL

Kaili

Saturday, September 21, 2002 - 12:51 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I remember having to sell pizzas in elementary school. I was a pretty shy kid and the worst thing ever was having to go to strangers houses and ask them to buy food from me. I think I did it one afternoon then never did it again.

Reminds me of the book The Chocolate Wars

Bigd

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 07:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
THANK YOU!!!! I have always been against these "promotions" and "sales" they make these kids participate in. It's bad for the kids, it's bad for the parents, it's just a bad idea - in my opinion. I always thought I was the only one that felt this way. When my youngest son was in 3rd grade I sent all the literature back to the school and refused for him to participate and he was SO ostrisized for it that I've never been able to forgive myself. I was in the midst of a huge "life crises" and he comes home with another of these campaigns and I didn't have the money to support it and I had enough on my plate at work than to try and coerse my fellow workers into buying and letting him go door to door in the neighborhood was out of the question.

I live about 150 yards from an elementary school and they have started their campaigning and 4 of the kids on my street have been to my door already. These campaigns have so many "issues" that I would like to see them banned.

Pixie

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 04:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
As a school teacher and club sponsor(High School), I understand the need to raise funds. However, as a parent, I also hated those brochure sales!! I'd just rather make a donation and not have to deal with "junk" that I really didn't need. I did on occasion find something I really liked in the "junk." Why is it necessary? Because school systems are NEVER funded enough to supply all the needs. At least in my state, Alabama, taxes are so low that we have one of the lowest $ spending per pupil ration in the U.S.

Most school fundraiser campaigns will gladly take a donation without you having to purchase anything and it should be tax deductible.

I also remember having a supplies list a mile long when my children were in primary and elementary grades. Some of my coworkers who have young school age children now complain that the request lists have gotten longer.

I know of at least one local school system (not mine) that banned student selling of any kind. I was good on one hand yet stopped a long tradition of Band Calanders. If you bought a calander you got to have birthdays and aniversaries printed on the appropriate date. A local radio personality used to call out the birthdays and anniversaries each morining.

Squaredsc

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 05:03 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
i hate when my kids bring home those fundraiser things, in fact, i am looking at them now. for my oldest child who is in middle school, he wants to sell 12 items so he can go to a sock hop at the school. now what kind of mess is that. in order to be "in" ive got to find 12 people to buy stuff from him. and my youngest child who is in elementary school wants to sell 200 items so he can win an x-box. now that is totally out of the question, but i still have to find 12 more people so he won't be slighted.

i hate it. i would rather sell m & m's or candy bars, but not the wrapping paper, candy tins, yuck.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 05:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I hate fundraisers! I generally refuse to participate in most outside of my own child and my 2 nieces (who rarely ask). Magazine sales are the most likely way to get me to buy...especially when the local newspaper is one of the choices. Oh...and if they want to take my refundable pop cans in they are welcome to them cause I hate feeding them into the machines with a passion. :)
My nieces high school sports teams sell ads in their programs as a fundraiser for those programs and I willing participate in that when asked...the latest ad is a composite of baby and young child pics and signed with love from the (blank) fan club.
As to school supplies...I have not had to buy any more for my kid than we had to have when I was growing up nor do the kids where I work. I take that back...now I have to buy computer disks or pay some outrageous fee.

Gail

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I don't like these school funraisers either. I hate that they are sending kids to go knocking door to door on homes of strangers to get them to buy crap they don't need. I just think there are enough dangers for kids out there without have to do that.

I remember going door to door when I was younger trying to sell girl scout cookies and it sucked big time. Back then, people didn't really like girlscout cookies that much.

I really get hit up at work for fundraisers and it is starting to get annoying. I am starting to feel like I am getting taken advantage of. Alot of the parents bring the brochures into work and hit me up. So far, I have bought from 4 different ones. I hope it ends soon.

One of the guys said his daughter got her brouchure the very first day of school. I am paying a pretty hefty fee for state and property taxes and when we have local elections, I always vote yes to giving more to the schools out where I live. I don't have kids but I do believe it is important to give the schools what they need to get quality teachers and supplies.

I had a kid knock on my door last year selling snicker bars. Are you kidding?? Why would I want to pay double price for a snicker bar? jeeze

Wargod

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:18 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Let me say...I hate school fund raisers, LOL.

We do participate in 3 though. My daughters preschool does a bike a thon every year. The money earned goes to the children's hospital. The week before the children study bike/trike saftey, police officers and fire fighters come in and give little lessons on being safe and such. We participate in this one because we like the kids to know about donating and fund raising for a good cause.

The other two we do our the candy bar sales. Only reason we do this is because its a ••• for tat type of situation at my hubbys work. The guys all take candy in and sell it to each other. Both kids do this one for their schools. We sell one box for each of them, which I think is about 20 candy bars?

I do refuse to do any of the others....the stuff is expensive for what you get, the kids don't get anything worth me going to all my friends and family begging them to buy, and it turns into a big hassel for me.

Personally for me, I'd rather support the school directly by donating school supplies and volunteering...at least that way I know my money and time go to their schools and not somewhere else.

Myjohnhenry

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:33 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I really like it at work when people are free to bring the brochures and put them in the staff lounge, coffee area, whatever and then people are free to buy or not buy and there is no sales pressure or buying pressure that either side has to deal with.
My kid goes to a very small school for kids with special needs and the only "fundraiser" they did last year was actually for money and items that they were in turn donating to another organization. The kids did a great job on it and it is a great lesson for them to learn.

Wargod

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Gail, I know here when they send fund raiser stuff home, we get a letter with it asking parents not to go door to door.

MJH, hubbys job does the same thing here...they leave the order form of candy in the lounge with an envelope for money.....if someone wants anything, they take care of it there. Like I said..its kind of a "I bought from your kid, if you want, you can buy from mine."

I'll tell you the ones that bother me. It's not the kids, because I think they're actually doing somthing good for them, but the way the organization does it that bothers me. It's the UCANN (???) kids. Organization keeps at risk pre-teens, teens off the streets and doing something productive. They do fund raisers several times a year, selling usually tins of candy, and the money they earn gets them a trip to D.C. or something like that. I always buy something becuase I think they are doing a good thing. The part that bothers me is that they go into neighborhoods....after dark, knocking door to door. They usually go in groups of four, but each kid goes to a different house...that worries me!

Whit4you

Sunday, September 22, 2002 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
So lemme ask this? I was a bit reluctant to bring this up because I assume most are for this since it's common practice in almost all schools.

But judging from the response - MOST seem to feel the way I do.

So why is this then such a common practice? It's our kids and OUR schools - so unless this is just a huge coincidence in the sampling (takes quite a few people to make a good 'poll' ya know)

But anyhow if most feel as I do - then why is it such a common activity? Is it because we don't say anything?

I know I didn't - because of one reason -because *I* assumed everyone ELSE thought it was ok - ya know? Based on the comments here though now I'm starting to wonder.