Archive through July 27, 2003
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July 27, 2003 - Day 23 - Nathan uses POV - Alison Veto'd - Dave Nominated:
Archive through July 27, 2003
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:20 pm     Outside Dana announcing that Nate is still not saying. And she makes fun of Erika's approach.. would she rather have Jack go.. Robert agrees, that Erika wants to keep Dave because he's stronger player. Jun snorts, "nice try". (ed they won't have Jun) Jun says Jack would be so hurt. Dana says she told Nate she didn't want Dave to go hoping he'd change his mind. Dana says if Nate wins this, I'll kill somebody. Dana asks Jack if he has volunteered to sacrifice himself.. Jack says NO.. he's no lamb.. Dana says she thought so and he's ok.. Jack asks who she'll put up.. she claims she doesn't know, both good players. In the kitchen.. Ali is telling Nate SHE can win every competition from now on, EVERY ONE. They are snarking about Dana. Ali says know what you could do.. Ali now telling Erika that they will never EVER go against Erika.. Erika, wearing the silly HI MOM tshirt says she knows. Ali now trash talking about Jun to Erika. Dana says she will tell Dave she dunno.. won't tell him what she'll do. |
Kackie | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:23 pm     First post..but didn't want anyone to miss conversations since Veto ceremony will be soon... I'll try my best to recap.... Erika spoke shortly with Dana outside..before being called to DR about Nate using Veto. Dana won't talk to him because it will just pi$$ her off. Erika suggested voting out Jack instead of Dave. Dana asked if that's what he (Jack) wants and Erika said "no"...and off to the DR. Dave and Ali in TR talking about her off the block and him on. Ali said everyone wigged out last nite when she was talking to Justin and she was only working on strategy. Tells him he will not go if put up. Caught Dana and Nate in Kitchen talking but missed most of what was said. Got the impression that he was saying that it sucked to be in "their" positions. Now Dana outside talking with the J3 about her talk with Nate and she's pi$$ed...(as usual). Tells them that she better go after him (Nate ???) when she's gone. Dana gets Jack on the side and asks him if he is sacrificing himself...and he tells her "no". She said she didn't think so. Jacks asks her who she will put in Ali's place and she says she has no idea...all good players. This is probably late because I already messed up with my password! |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:30 pm     Dana and Nate in HOH.. Dana hates this part of the game.. Nate says Ali will do whatever he says. Could possibly talk to Ali about not doin' it.. So, Dana, this is your chance to redeem yourself.. If I take her off and you put up someone besides Dave and Erika, then you are safe for next week. Your opportunity to come back. Nate guarantees Dana 90% that if he takes Ali off the block Ali will get HOH. Dana says pissing her off, she had a reason for doing what she did. Dana thinks using the veto unless you are up is weak. Nate says this would be your safety valve. Says you are close to Justin and Jun but it would guarantee your safety from her (Ali). Dana still can't believe that Ali is going to play the game based on the game, dude.. need people who are not gonna judge based on personal.. Nate says he guarantees she won't come after people. Dana says it is about the final seven. Ali is not a level-headed adult. Nate says everyone in the house has made drama, we don't have exes, so we can't know.. Nate respects Dana's decision.. Tension. Two of us (Dana and Ali) always friction. Dana says if she's one of the final two, Ali would absolutely vote against me, no matter who the other is. Nate doesn't think so. Dana says Ali hates her. Nate says you have plenty of others who feel that what you did was wrong (but he only names Jack and Dave, who he wants out). Dana says you cannot trust anybody but yourself. Nate says if you trust no one you can't win. Nate has no problems against Dana, this is opportunity to be safe again. You don't have to take me up for it, go with your gut, what you need to do. Dana is so pissed, sigh. Dana says the safest thing for her to do would have been to put up Nate and Ali.. because Nate would be the only one to save Ali but she didn't do it, everyone told her to do that but she didn't. Nate says your emotions are playing the game.. you chose to split with us. Dana doesn't CARE. Did what she wanted to do. Didn't want to put somebody up because everybody wanted me to put them up. Nate says that isn't what they were saying, that to stay with them was her best move. Dana looks at final seven. Nate says you only look at voting, how do you know you are going to make it that far. Dana says she doesn't care but it will be fair vote (without Ali). Dana says just like she refused to put up Justin, she refused to put up Nate. Nate thanks her, says he's the same way. Nate hopes she respects any decision he makes. Dana says it will be hard for her to get over that if he takes Ali off. Nate says he was betrayed by Dana.. told Jack he was safe. Says she told them she was going on individual and maybe Ali didn't get that it included her. |
Prism72 | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:33 pm     Dana went outside. Tells someone that she doesn't want to see Dave go. Says Nate wants people to sweat. Jack -- Do you have any idea who you would put up? Dana -- I don't. All four cameras just switched to Nate and Ali in kitchen. BB: David, please go to DR. Ali -- Davviiieee! (ed: rolling eyes) Erica comes in. Has put on her "Hi Mom" shirt. All 3 whispering; hard to hear. Sorry, couldn't catch it. Erica already went outside. --- Dana and Nate are now in the HOH. Nate -- I'm still not for sure I'm going to use it, but if I do it's more than likely, it will be for Allison. She'll do anything to say. She's told me that and I know she will. Dana, this is your chance to redeem yourself. If i take her off and you put up somebody besides Dave or Erica ... it's your opportunity to come back. i'm not threatening you. I guarantee you that she's going to win HOH if I take her off the block. (ed: He will tell Ali to put Dana up) Dana -- i understand you need someone that you feel will always have your back. i still don't know i would do this. If i was you and it was Jun, i would have a hard time with that decision. Nate -- it's up to you. I feel like you could put up any one of these people ... i know you're close to justin and jun. I'm just throwing this at you and it's something to think about. You have my word that Ali wouldn't come after you. Dana -- This is about picking the final 7. I don't feel that Ali is a level-headed adult. Nate -- Everyone in here had made drama. Dana -- If i go out, i go out on my terms. If I go next week, I go much happier than if I had done what I don't want to do. Nate- I understand that. Dana -- It's just not a comfortable environment. Nate -- Then you're going off emotions, not strategic. Dana -- No, I'm not! I picked Ali b/c she's not level-headed. Nate -- There are plenty of people (dave, erica, jack, etc) that think what you did to Ali was wrong. Dana -- you can't trust anybody in this house except yourself. Nate -- if you don't trust anybody, you won't get anywhere in this house. dana -- I'm glad we can talk about this. Nate -- I don't have any problems with you at all Dana and I never have. Dana -- i'm so pissed... Nate -- Like i said, i still haven't decided. Dana -- The safest thing would have been if i put the 2 of you up together and I didn't, so think about that. nate -- why would you have done that? Dana -- B/c you're the only one who would take her off the block. Nate -- your safest move would've been to stick with us. Dana -- No it wasn't! I didn't want to put someone up b/c someone else wanted me to, i had to play the game and put up who i wanted. Nate -- everything is fake in this house. You just said you would've put me on the block. Dana -- Yeah, b/c you're the only one who would take her off but I refused to do that. Nate -- I respect that. I hope you respect any decision I make. Dana -- It's going to be hard for me though if you do that. Nate -- you crossed me though by putting Ali and Jack up. I feel that I was betrayed by you. Dana -- I threw a big curve ball ... i know ... so you do what you feel you need to do. Nate -- well, if you're pissed off at me if I use it, I'll understand. Dana -- do you know what Ali was saying last night? She was out there spilling her guts last night. Why would she do that? Nate -- I know. Did you not hear us yelling? We got into a huge fight about it. It's one of those things... Dana -- i chose the one that I felt would be the first one to come after me. I honestly did. I honestly felt it was the best move for me. Nate -- Everything you do, I respect. |
Prism72 | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:37 pm     Nate -- you're a competitor and you want to win. Nate leaves the room. Camera follows to the kitchen. Laughs at the people outside. Now in one of the rooms with Ali. Nate -- i'm not going to let anyone sway my vote. Ali -- What did she say to you? Nate -- about you and Justin ... that you were trying to get him over to our side. Ali laughs ... Did you tell her you already knew? Nate -- yeah. Ali -- It was an attempt. A failed attempt. Nate -- Why would you even attempt though? Ali -- I wasn't sure. Nate -- She hates your guts. (Damn! camera just moved outside) |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:42 pm     (ed. this looks like the right thread to me??) So Nate runs to tell Ali about his convo with Dana. Dana runs to Robert for same reason. Robert thought Nate was way smarter than that. Dana asks Robert who it would hurt Nate more to see go.. he makes no comment.. she says biggest strongest player (Dave ) Dana assures Robert she isn't switching sides.. All cams on Robert. |
Smyledm | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:57 pm     Exes & Dana all in HOH discussing Nate using Veto and they are wondering if he realizes they will all come after him. Dana is SOOO pissed off... If he uses veto Dave is out... |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 12:57 pm     Dana now telling Jun about her convo with Nate.. says if she was a guy she'd have punched Nate in the face.. Robert comes in.. Justin comes in.. says make sure Nate knows he is going next week. Dave says he knew three days ago that Nate was going to use it. Dave told them Nate thinks Ali will take Nate to the end. Jack supposedly tolk Robert that they would also put Nate up (ed didn't hear that) Dana telling what Nate said to her. Dana says she doesn't know they are coming after him Everyone agees Dave has to go. Dana is so pissed at herself she didn't put Nate up. Jun says there is no way the other group is going to put Nate up. Justin not agreeing with that. Jun says if they win HOH, put up two of us.. they can have three votes, it is tied and hoh breaks tie. Jun says we just can't let them get it. Dana claims her speech now will make the cover of the Daily news. Dana says there is a second page of instructions for what she would have to say but they haven't ever let her see that. They think if Nate tells DR that he is using it then Dana will be called in so she will know what to say. She plans to say David you have Nate to thank for this. Nate, I have to be more of a man than you will ever be. Dana tells them they have to get HOH, for your life. Jun leaves. Robert says I knew he was gonna use it Nate is such a baby. The person we needed to not win veto won it. Dana says that's what will happen next week with HOH. Robert says we have to take out Dave. Dana says oh did I tell you what Erika said about kicking Jack out.. for sequestration?? Robert says Erika's not bright. Robert says they are turning on each other. Justin is there now, says they know Dave is their strong one. Dana will be PISSED if Nate isn't next to go. Robert says Nate and Ali both up next. Have to get Nate out. Robert says Nate has ballz to say that to you.. Repeat of her arguments.. Dana saying it isn't personal.. |
R151996 | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:04 pm     Dana repeatedly recounting her conversation with Nate, now saying that Nate told her Ali has a 90% chance of winning HoH next week. Robert reacts by saying if there were only four in the running, she'd only have a 25% chance. At it is now, Robert says Ali has less than an 8% chance (ed: 1/8 = 12.5%). |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:04 pm     Ali has him brainwashed, says Justin. Nate believes 99% that Ali will win HOH. They agree that's a stupid thing to say. Dana thinks Nate came out of DR (where he was called to do his Veto. Dana says Ali is in there reading the Bible, such sacriledge. Jee wants to fix the hose and he tried to fix the wringer. Jee says don't be thinking I can pull out lumber.. TP holder is good now, wall is weak. They call Jee "Mr Fix-it" Jee is going to tape a condom around the hose hopes it will work. Dana and Jun, Jun telling her what she said to, I think Erika, being blunt. Jun now telling Jee3 about Erika asking Jun what was up and Jun told her of course they will go after David.. Jack and Erika are weaker. BB goes outside. Where Erika looks very stressed. Jee4 plus Jun.. Jun says Erika's just willing to crawl up anyone's a$$ BB switchs all of quad away from this convo. Dana is talking to Erika and others outside now. Dana telling Erika Dave is the last person she wanted to put up. Wants to hit Nate. Dave says he might hit back. |
Aremid | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:05 pm     Jun - Erica just asked me what the deal is...rid of dave, and you and jack are weaker (RP communicating) She is talking to Jee and Justin They say it totally sucks Robert - him leaving wasn't supposed to be happening this early Jun - Erica is afraid to crawl up anyone's a-- Camera moves outside |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:06 pm     They commiserate about the power of the veto. Dana AGAIN says it is ok to take yourself off.. Quiet on all feeds except the dryer, industriously drying stuff. |
Ryn | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:09 pm     Looks like BB may be blocking the veto meeting this time around. all 4 feeds show the backyard...
It might be that they are just getting ready as well. |
R151996 | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:10 pm     All HGs inside now, but all feeds remain on the back yard. Time for veto meeting to start. (ed: This may be the alternative to FOTH that will be shown for long periods since E4 in the UK will now be airing live feeds.) |
Ryn | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:12 pm     Someone comes outside - hands on hips.... Can't see who. Male I think. HE walked around for a second, snaping fingers and clapping hands and then went back in. |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:12 pm     Someone is in the yard now. Investigating on Feed 2.. Possibly Erika? Went back inside. |
R151996 | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:14 pm     Nate out. Veto used. Tells Jack Dana lied to Ali's face. |
Ryn | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:15 pm     Nate and JAck came outside - nate used it it seems. He said that he had more to say but didn't. He said Dana deliberatly lied to them about Alson being safe, Jack says he understands. Dave - this business with alison I understand, I don't take it personally- I think you should understand that you pissed a lot of people off. |
R151996 | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:16 pm     Nominations are Jack vs David. Nate confirmed it to Jack. |
Ryn | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:16 pm     Erika comes out - says "you better get it" (meaning HoH). Nate says he knows he is going up for nomination and will be voted out. Dana did indeed put up Dave in Alison's place. Alison comes out Jack "Ali that was nicely put..." |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:18 pm     ryn, I also thought Male at first, but they seemed to have a knot of hair.. Jack is out there now, Nate too. Nate saying didn't want to be overdramatic. Felt like what she did was wrong .. had to do it. Jack understands nate's relation to the alliance and that on the other side of the house had lost people Nate says did what I had to do. Jack saying that this with Ali was a strategic move by Nate. Jack says you do understand that you pissed alot of people off. Said in DR that Nate would feel isolated if Ali leaves. Erika goes by and says "she'd better get it"..Nate says he's sorry (ed. Dave must be up) Nate says he'll go up next week if they win, feels Ali gives them better chance, whether Dave or Jack goes. Jack says "Ali that was nicely put". Nate wishes he could get them both off. Nate asks Jun if she was pissed off too.. Jun says no but he should have been more accurate in what Nate said, that he and others were ready to betray Dana before any of this happened so using the betrayal card.. Nate says he did what he had to do. Dave is in HOH with Dana and Robert.. making fun of Nate. |
Ryn | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:19 pm     Nate asks Jun if she was pissed off at him. Jun says no - but she wishes his speach was more accurate... that we were all ready to kick her out last week. Jun continues to talk - nate says it sounds like you are defending her. Cams cut to Dave in HoH with Robert, Dana, Justin.... David is laughing and joking with them.
Justin - I can't believe she is getting sequestered and I am gonna have to put up with her for the rest of the summer. |
Ryn | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:22 pm     Dana saying she feels bad, didn't want to see Jack go.... Perhaps they are telling him they will save Jack... Looks like they are trying to make a deal with Dave to come with them and they will save him in the vote. Dana says "we have 4 votes......" Jee comes in.... Robert says his speach was weak - "she deserves another chance??" |
Seamonkey | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:23 pm     Dave, Justin, Robert, Dave trashing Nate and Ali. Dave says he tried to explain to Nate, but Nate just sees Ali as his Angel of Rescue.. blue duck, blue duck. Dave says he'll talk to Erica. Justin talks about Ali being sexually aggressive.. Dana says she feels bad for Jack. Tells Dave he has to go for himself.. we have four votes.. Dave says, nah.. it is over. Dana says betrayal, she will put her foot up so far up Nate's a$$ Knock.. Jee pops in.. asks if anything else for him to fix.. they laugh. They hated Ali's speech. hope someone is covering outside.. |
Ryn | Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 01:26 pm     Dana says - its sucks - I don't wanna send Jack home but we have the votes. They want a two week agreement with Dave - in order to save him. Dave is just sitting and smiling...not agreeing to anything. They are bashing Nate right and left - that he screwed things up - saying he is insecure, etc etc..... Robert - that was the stupidest move..... Justin - dude - I will take a day and half trying to memorize a nomination speech if I get HoH - to bash Nate. Robert agrees - he said he will too. Just general ripping on Nate - no agreement from Dave to give them a 2 week promise. |
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