Archive through July 19, 2003
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July 19, 2003 - Day 15 - Jun's B-Day, Salad Bikinis:
Archive through July 19, 2003
Sara123 | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 02:55 am     JED in the desert room. We have until noon Sunday to guage how Jun and Ali are holding up. Dave says he thinks they're ok for now, believes they'll come to him to talk if they're wavering. Erica is wishing Jee would just nom Dana. Figuring out how nominating Erica and Michele benefits Jee/Robert/Justin. Erica sees it - it hurts their alliance and it hurts Nate's alliance. There's nothing else they can offer Jee to change his mind - he doesn't want to hear it anymore. Dave laid out the arguments logically, made sense to everyone but Jee. All agree Jee's an idiot... Trying to figure what reason Jun would have to go the other way (keep Michele). Maybe if she thinks Nate would want M to stay? If they were trying to bring Jun over, Robert wouldn't have been so paranoid when Jun walked by after he was talking to Dave. So they don't think Jun is going to go over with Robert, they're more worried that Nate doesn't really have Jun. Dave and Jack say Jun has been real firm every time they've talked to her, and is working Dana. Talking about losing Scott - that was a big blow for them. Really screwed up their numbers. Jack asking Dave, what did Nate say when he first went into the room to talk to Jee? Dave was trying to push the issue about Dana, Nate did the same. Jee had the same response to Dave, Nate and Jack. D: Jun's not stupid though. She knows Erica's valuable to them while those 3 are around. Erica assumes she'll be a target while they're still in. Jack and Dave think Nate's still solid with the original alliance, but is worried about being a target. Talking again about how they think it would be good to shock Jee by using the veto. Worried that Nate doesn't want to lose Michele. Speculating that if Jee thinks Dave might possibly use the veto, then he will have a nom chosen. But this isn't much of a risk, since Jee is oblivious to what's going on, and believes that everyone wants Erica out. They're still wishing that they had been able to convince Jee to nominate Dana. And it's bedtime for the desert folks... |
Philamom | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:11 am     Dave, Erika, and Jack having a late-night (early morning) talk in their bedroom. I came in on the middle of it. Jack: Nate's being firm. Every time I talk to him, Nate is firm. He's with us. Erika: Nate came to me ... asked what happens if Ali goes against us? Jee is worried...I said to him, what would happen if Dave used the veto. Jee got all flustered. Jack: yeah Erika: He does not want to lose Michelle. He does NOT want to lose Michelle. (she repeats this with a lot of emphasis) Dave: I liked the idea of using the veto ... but Jee's already thinking ... he'll have an answer ready (I think the gist of the conversation was to use the veto unexpectedly, hoping to catch Jee unprepared, and Jee would then nominate Dana ... but they realize that won't work) More talk to the effect that if Dave uses the veto, Jee will probably nominate Dave or Jack. Jack: But I was talking to Jee today. I thought he said he wasn't gonna nominate me or.... Dave: Jee is so convinced that everyone is going after Erika. He has no idea. He is so set in his mind. He even thinks me and you (talking to Jack) .... thinks it'll be 8 to nothing. Talk about people lying to Jee and Jee believing them. Jack: I was hoping we could find a way to get him to put Dana up ... but Jee's not thinking logically. Jack, Erika, and Dave basically agree that they'd rather have Dana up and get rid of her than get rid of Michelle. But Jee isn't cooperating, so they have no choice. Dave: He (Jee) is an idiot. He's not playing the game. And connection lost. |
Sara123 | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:24 am     Erica is up again, trying to figure things out. Says they're coming after you (Dave) anyway. Dave says he knows and is not afraid, he just wants to help the team. Jack has a deal with Jee, they won't come after him. So Jee has to go after Nate's crew, and Nate's not afraid. No wait, yes Nate is afraid to be nominated. Jack is pretty clear that Jee said if Dave uses the veto all deals are off (so he might nom him). Now they're talking about Marcellas not using the golden veto on himself last year. Erica even bumped into him(!) at a casting call (for a modeling gig) and asked him about it. Sounds like Marcellas hears that all the time... Dave saying the focus goes on him if he uses the veto. Jee & co may not want to put up Jack or Nate if they think they have a chance to recruit them in the future. Jack likes the idea of using it, because of the shock value. But with such a fixation on Dana, it takes the focus off the main target (Justin). So maybe they should shock them with the vote instead, and throw them off their game for the HOH comp. But Jun and Ali need to be solid for either strategy to work. Now they're wondering if they're giving everyone else too much credit. Dave saying in other BBs the smartest players thought too much, sees it happening here too. So maybe they let it ride for now? Right now they think the talk Dave, Robert, Jack and Nate had outside (that Erica is the one to go) has convinced Jee & co that there's nothing to worry about. The shock of Erica staying will increase JED chances of winning HOH. Wondering if Ali and Jun made an agreement with Jee & co to vote Erica out? Jack and Dave think A&J led Jee to believe they'd do it, but didn't commit to a deal. They believe that A&J will stick with the original plan (boot the ex's), but Dave will keep talking to them. Dave is the man - he would rather have the POV and the pressure than have it out of his hands. Now saying that if he doesn't use POV that will just build trust with Jee & co, keep them thinking Erica is out so they don't try to recruit A&J to their side. Now discussing how J&co are blinded by the idea of getting Erica out now, Dana later. Just doesn't make sense! Jee is going after Erica because Robert planted the fear of her in his head. Dave telling Erica that Robert has said "You cannot believe a word she says. She'll kill your f*in family". Poor Erica - she's saying she was a great girlfriend to him, hes the one who was a jerk to her. He started working for her company, she called her bosses and told them what he was like. The last job they had together, R cheated on her with someone they worked with, at work. She was a bartender, she got him a job promoting salsa dancing at the club. He was fired from his last job (restaurant mgr) after about 4 weeks. Jack jokingly says "you know he's organizing a trip to Vegas after the wrap party". Erica's not going... Now kidding Erica about going after Dave's family. |
Angelsluv | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:25 am     Dave told Erika about how Robert told Jee that she was going to put him on the block if she gets HOH.. Erika said that he didn't know her, ect.. Then Dave told Erika that Robert told Jee that Erika would kill him and his family, where Erika said that was so stupid and why would he believe that. Then back to how Robert is telling lies, ect.. Then Erika told Jack and Dave that on a stack of bibles on her mother's grave that her family could verify that she was a great girlfrienf to Robert, got him jobs, etc.. Then he was terrible to her and cheated with a woman they worked for. After the breakup, she went to her boss and said "I want to let you know what type of guy Robert is..". It was him that screwed it up his job and not her..Also that Robert claiming that he is the manager of a resturant..Come to find out that he was working that job for like 4 weeks and was recently fired. |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:32 am     Jack, Erika and Dave talking strategy... Jack: I kept telling them that now is the time to get Dana..that if they want to get Erika she isn't going anywhere...but they have to get Dana now. I kept telling them that it makes no sense. Dave: It would be one thing if they had a plan but they are so stupid they are not seeing the big picture Erika: they don't even know me Jack: Dave, Jee has his idea that if they don't get Erika now she will come after him later. Dave: that just makes no sense. Robert is telling them how awful you are. Like you will come after people and kill thier family. Erika: I can swear that I was a good girlfriend to him, he was bad to me. He's pissed off because he started working for the company I work for and I called my bosses and told them what kinda person he was. Jack: then he got fired? Erika: they fired him, but I don't think it had anything to do with me. They talk about a job at a bar that Erika and Rob worked at together when they were dating. Jack: So now he manages a restaurant? Erika: He did for 4 or 5 weeks, then he got fired. Jack: He tells everyone here that's what he does. Erika: no, he got fired. Erika: the producers asked me if I was vindictive and I told them that i called my bosses on him, but that i don;t think that makes me vindictive. Dave: well I'm still gonna watch out for you, because I don't want you to kill my family (joking) Erika: (laughing) I can't believe he's telling people that. That has to make me look horrible. Erika: BB I'm mad at you for putting my ex in here! I should have known he was bad news when my dog bit him. Dave: I have this gut feeling that this is going to work out. I really feel that Jun and Ally will go with us. It's just the fact that you're up there that worries me. I'd feel personally responsible if I didn't exercise the veto and you are gone. Erika: I wish that it wasn't just one vote. Dave: yeah. I was thinking...we know that Dana can't be trusted...but maybe if we tell her the whole shabang right before she goes into vote then maybe we could sway her vote. Jack: but she's gonna vote against Erika Dave: she's scared tho because nobody is telling her anything. She's a loose cannon. So maybe if I talk to her right before she goes in to vote. She needs to know that if she goes with us that she's not going up next week, but if she doesn't then they will put her up next week. I don't know, maybe if we do it right before nominations? Jack: but we can't trust her Erika: no we can't trust her. I'm gonna kill Scotty for this...this is all Scotty's fault. I'm pissed off at him right now. We wouldn't be in this predicament if it wasn't for him. Dave: or if we had listened to you about Amanda. That pisses me off the most because that was within our grasp. Erika: well we can't cry over spilled milk. She gets up... Erika: anyone have any vicodin? heroin? any "in's" ?? She leaves the room....goes to the kitchen. Dave: we are the one's playing this game the most Jack: yeah, but it's not working out that well. Erika back. Jack: you have a headache? Erika: yeah I do. Looks like they are now settling down and going to sleep. |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:36 am     Dana up making a pbj. Looks like everyone else is sleeping. She's eating it standing in the hall looking at everyone's picture's on the wall. Now she's done and went back to bed. All the hg's are snug in their beds. G'night! |
Sara123 | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:37 am     Back in the desert... They're still worried about the vote margin being so narrow - 1 vote swings it. There's just no way they can be completely sure of Ali and Jun. Dave wondering if they can convince Dana to keep Erica? No one is telling her anything, b/c she can't be trusted. Dave wondering if he can manage to be the last person she talks to before she votes, then he can spring the Save Erica plan on her and get her vote. But they realize that ruins the shock factor (and their advantage in the HOH comp), so now they've agreed it's a bad plan. They will not tell Dana. Looks like it's really bedtime this time... |
Lostintheglades | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:43 am     3:30 am BB Time Erika and Jack are still up. Erika talks about Robert being a promoter at her club. And he made some good money there. Jack says that Robert says he's manageing a restaraunt. (Erika says no...he was fired from that job. ) Robert wants to set up a party in Vegas and the winner will pick up the bill. Producers asked if she was vindictive she said she did call her bosses about him...Dave..."well I won't evict you then cause I don't want you to kill my family." Jack is up. Someone is still in HOH with Jee but they aren't showing the HOH. Erika looks at camera and says BB I'm mad at you for putting my X in here. "Quit looking at me." Erika says she should have known Robert was bad news when her dog bit him. Says the camera can't look at her anymore and trying to bribe her with turtles won't make it better. D - I have a gut feeling this can work but it can mess me up if it doesn't work. They aren't sure about the votes. Trying to count the numbers. He thinks that Nate and Ali are with them and will evict Michelle so they can get Dana next week. But if the votes aren't there then Dave will feel like crap not using the Veto. Dana thinks everyone is after her. So she's a loose cannon. I feel if I'm the last person she talks to before she votes maybe I can convince her to vote Michelle out. D Thinks Dana needs to realize they're going after Robert and Justin not her. Now talking about Scott not being there..messed them up. Erika is up now. D - We're playing this game the most of anyone. The others are just following the leader. Jack congratulates David again on his win. D says Ali was close too. Feed 3 - Dana has been very wrestless, finally gets up and goes to the kitchen. Makes a PB&J. Eats her sandwich and goes back to bed. Erika, Dave and Jack all appear to be sleeping now. Erika has a headache. (Ed...so do I, these hamsters gave it to me.) 3:40 BB Time - Quad cam..all is quiet. Dana is still tossing and turning quite a bit. |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 04:30 am     408am BB time: Dave rolled over. 424am BB time: Erika mumbled something in her sleep. It sounded like "I still love you Robert." (ed. I'm kidding!!) |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 04:40 am     Jack just got up and did something for about 10 seconds. (I don't know what..the camera didn't follow him) and is now back in bed. |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 05:11 am     Jun up, uses bathroom, then back to bed. She is sleeping in HOH room tonight. (alone) |
Lostintheglades | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 05:11 am     5:12 BB Time I can hear people talking but don't see anyone....come on camera man...catch up. Guess someone was just getting up to use the bathroom. But I know I heard 2 voice...only caught a glimpse of one though and couldn't tell who it was. Argggggggg. darn...rp froze. |
Lostintheglades | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 05:12 am     ty HehItsLori... |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 05:55 am     Jack up again for a few seconds and then back to bed. (ed: He may have opened or shut the door to the room...maybe it has something to do with the temperature? He is sleeping w/o any covers.) |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 06:00 am     Jack back up...this time using the bathroom. Out of w/c. (no hand washing) Back to bed. |
Hamsterlady | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 06:33 am     All HG's asleep. Sky shot on Feed 4.
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Hamsterlady | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 07:11 am     HG's still asleep. Nothing's really changed from the above picture. |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 07:14 am     Jun is sleeping in HOH room. She's on her back, wearing her glasses and snoring like a freight train! |
Heyltslori | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 07:27 am     Jun up using bathroom. Out of w/c, washes hands. Back to bed, this time taking off her glasses. Jack up using bathroom. Out of w/c. No hand washing. And back to bed. |
Hamsterlady | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 08:24 am     HG's still asleep. Occasional tossing and turning is all. |
Aremid | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 08:45 am     Hgs still sleeping. Jun in HOH room. One camera is on the sky. Very quiet in the house. |
Hamsterlady | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 09:00 am     Jack just got up and went to the WC (with sound on). Washed hands. Got back into bed. |
Hamsterlady | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 09:53 am     F1 - Jun sleeping in HOH F2 - Desert Room - Dave, Erika, & Jack sleeping F3 - Blue Room - everybody sleeping F4 - Cam's on top of Dave sleeping |
Hamsterlady | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:05 am     Jack and Robert just got up. Jack got up first and went into kitchen then back to his room to get his shoes and goes outside to put them on. Robert's outside also. They're now tending to the pool. |
Seamonkey | Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:07 am     Jack is up, he walked the lengthh of the house and woke up one of the guys, who quickly got up.. both outside.. Looks like Robert (who keeps sniffling and picking at his nose, per usual).. Just pool cleaning. (Ed. was thinking this was someone else and was strategy). |
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