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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Big Brother IV - July 2003 Live Feed Archives: July 14, 2003 - Day 10 - Much plotting - HGs get Hula Hoops: Archive through July 14, 2003

Ryn

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Quad cam -

Robert is on 1 & 2 talkign to Dana

Dana is quizzing him on what they (erika & robert) were talking about robert filling her in.

She asks if Dana approached him - yes

I missed something - feed froze

Dana told robert something - told him to say something to Erika in front of everyone - that it will embarrass her.

He talks about erika crying about scott - that sh was emotional - and it was all about her - not scott.

re-hashing the convo some more...

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Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali says we can't lose Erika. Jack wants to go in says David is talking to Michelle.

Now Ali is in joking about BB spraying the ground green?

Meddowmuffin

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Feed 2 - 12:34 BBtime

Robert and Dana in bedroom

Robert is recounting his side of his conversation with Erika to Dana. Telling Dana that Erika is fu*king emotional, fu*king crazy, lots of "fu*king"'s being thrown around.

R: She really genuinely, genuinely didn't care.

D: did she approach you, or did you approach her?

R: She approached me. She told me that the game is so emotional because of Scotty.

Then Erika walks by on the way to diary room and says something I didn't catch to Dana. Dana gets kind of pissed. Say's "why didn you say that?" but Erika must have been out of ear shot.

D: What was that? She probably thinks I pulled you in here to talk.

R: I'll tell her whatever you want, whatever.

Oh - Erika said "Everything isn't about the game")

D: Tell her, in front of everyone that you pulled me in here - that would piss her off. She was fu*ked up to assume I pulled you in here. She don't want to have a pissing match with me.

R; I don't know what she wanted, for me to say 'hey baby I miss you and let's hang out' - I told her we aren't friends

TIMED OUT

Prisonerno6

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert now relating convo to Dana.

Dana asked who approached whom. Robert mentions Eriks comment about it being motional. Erika called to diary room.

Eirka tells Dana "Everything not is about the game" as she goes to diary room.

Dana says E thinks D pulled R into bedroom to talk.

Goes back relating convo. Says E was crying about Scott and then says she was crying about herself. R says about E the day you walk out the day I walk out I will never effin talk to you again. Relates about high school sweetheart convo.

Dana complains about "It's not about the game" comment. Says it's all about the game.

(Must paraphrase D & R conversation because otherwise it would be all red dots....)

R says he told E there are lots of other people to talk to. D says her trying to talk to you is about the game. R agrees, it's because she knows he's tight with everyone.

Jun came in and said Michelle wants to know something. D says R saksed her to come back. Alison joins those three and related what E said about not being in high school. Michelle is on the bed. D says if she's not here to play the game then take your a$$ out after Scott.

Ryn

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:44 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana & robert...

Dana we are all in the house for the game - and we know it - if you aren't then get outta the game. (as if she is sayign it to erika).

Dana wants robert to tell Erika that Dana pulled him into the room to talk - just to mess with her mind.

Dana - in all honesty - did it bother you that the two of you were not talking?

Robert - no - not at all.

Robert - even when I used to call her to apologize ....... she even said outside I never apologized and I knew I did but I decided not to say anything.

Dana - I need to learn not to fly offf the handle cause I have a Cuban temper - like my father.

Jun and Alison and Michelle come in the room.

Dana says robert asked her to come talk, and that Erika thinks she pulled him back.

Ryn

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:47 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana is quoting Erika - that the thing that set her off was that she said "not everything is about the game" (in reference to the conversation Erika was having with Robert outside)

Alison whispered some information to Dana and Robert - can't hear it.

Dana or Alison says "they" (Jack and Erika) have to be the next to go.

They say Jack is clueless about whats going on.

Then Dana or Alison says that the other two need to go first (ed - I think they mean Dave and Erika).

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana and Robert talking.. Robert is angry but doesn't want to play nice with Erika.. Dana is saying Erika is playing this for herself.. why is she talking to Robert? Robert is rehashing that every time he'd call her, she'd have a boyfriend and wouldn't listen to him when he tried to apologize.

Of course the reason she talked to him was because she knows he is tight with others, like Dana..

Dana is also wound tight about it.

Dana is upset, apparently Erika was upset that Robert wanted to vent to Dana..

Michelle there too.. this may be about Erika saying to Michelle that she really doesn't want to be there.

Robert is glad she came out (Ali? Michelle) but says Erika was upset that they interrupted (ed. well, yeah)

Ali is in there emotionally agreeing with Dana (who ten min ago she was plotting against with Jack and Erika)

Dana says have to be next two to go Jack and Erika??)

Whew!! Lotsa plotting but now pretty much everyone is around the table.

Dana tells Michelle to come over here, Michelle says she is comfortable where she is.. maybe not at the table..)

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert telling Justin about the convo with Erika then the confrontation between Erika and Dana.. just quietly says he'll fill him in later.

Robert loudly joking about how he waited for Amanda to come back in last night. (when Amanda and David were up all night talking).

Justin, Robert, Jee and Ali on couches. Amanda walks over too Robert wants her to sit with him

Ali is stroking jee's hair. Amanda is sitting with Robert rubbing her back.

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:00 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Michelle is on the floor in teeny bikini.. Ali is to give Robert a haircut..

Robert continues to stroke Amanda's back beneath her clothing. Camera guy is very interested.., tight shot.

The couch group is talking, joking teasing.

quad.. someone says they like sexually aggressive women, other guy says who doesn't.

zzzz.. rehash of drunken game last night..

I'm out..

Kaili

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
F3- Jack asks Dana if she has second thoughts about the voting.

Dana is thinking about if she should apologize to Erika- telling Jack she feels horrible about what happened. Says she is strong and can't let it affect her.

Jack says the chemistry between each set of exes is different. Dana says it ranges from Amanda & Scott to David & Michelle (one set that get along, one that didn't).

Dana says you have to be stupid to go against the grain- Jack says you have to go with the grain until you have to make a survival decision. Dana replies taht it's starting to wear on everyone.

Prisonerno6

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana and Jack talking. Dana wondering if she shoudl apologize to Erika. Says E and R was obviously having a private moment. Assumed it was about the game.

D says they have range of ex-relationships from E/R to D/M. Siad she let "it" get to her (the game?).

(Missing a lot of this 'cause they're really quiet)

Ryn

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana and jack at the kitchen counter - cam 3

jack - how you feel?

dana - I feel bad about Erika

jack - you having second thoughts about the alliance, about the way we are voting?

Dana - i feel bad cause Erika was mad that i was trying to listen when she and robert were talking - that it was about hte game and it was totally different.

Jack - the ex's relationships are all completely different.

Dana - its hard to trust - i am sure people have a hard time trusting me when i am talking to justin and Robert.

Jack - you going to have a hard time voting against justin if you have to?

Dana - no

......

jack - have you gotten close to robert?

dana - yeah

j - whats he saying about robert?

dana - its pretty obvious- he knows if she stays his odds of winning are less and if he stays her odds are less too.

Dana - its hard to think that things aren't related to the game (like erika and robert talking).

Jack- i've watched this game and if you get too suspicious you are like a pinball going from thing to thing.

........

dana thought the ex's wuld team up at first.

jack says that you shouldn't jump to that conclusion too fast - says he was married to a new yorker and he knows they are quick to jump - but thats what makes them fun too.

.........

dana says that it made her suspicious with Erika saying every day she wanted Robert to go - and suddenly she is outside talking to him.

dana says jack she trusts erika now - she didn't for a minutes

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:13 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun joined the couch crowd talking about Ali snoring loudly.

Dana and Jack whispering.

Jack says the chemistry is so different with exes.. ridiculous like Scott/Amanda and Robert/Erika..

Jack is trying to get Dana to say she would put Justin up.. she of course says no problem.

Dana thinks Michelle and Dave are the coolest being exes (ed. duh, what Robert said about age 15).

Jack asks if Dana is close to Robert, what is he saying about going after Erika.. she says Robert is open that he and E want each other out. The fact E is there doesn't stop him from having fun but might stop him from getting anywhere.

Dana says to HER everything is related to the game. (ed. but she has no ex in there :) )

Jack mentions people getting into a pinball game trying to cover all the bases, early in the game have to stick with the people you arrived with.. (telling Dana she's being the pinball)

Jack says he's watched this show and never in the game was there such a readymade alliance non vs exes.

Dana said her first thought was that the ex couples would ally.. Jack says but you can't jump to that conclusion. Dana admits that she did that this morning.

Jack says he's been divorced, around lots of divorced people, so the last thing he would think is that the exes would connect and work together and he says they haven't in the game.. Dana says within the group of exes..

Dana admitting she overreacted that Erika and Robert were talking.

Jack asks if Dana trusts Erika in an alliance, Dana hesitates and says yees..

Jack, we need to rely on each other . 7 of us, Michelle is a wildcard.. if you exhaust yourself trying to get into every convo, bite your a$$ going in circles..

Dana says yes (ed, but seems not convinced).

Jack says Erika is a very private person, says private about her life, he rooms with her but E doesn't talk about her life, Jack shares his.. Erika is fine with what the 7 are doing.)

Jack says he's watched this game for 3 years, last two have been more negative. what you see in this game is..

Michelle interrupts, pouting that it is SO hot, etc.

Jack says if too much trust, if you isolate not good but if you exhaust yourself trying to cover all the bases, you end up being a target..

Seen players not last very long because initially they are too engaged, covering backs wiht 3-4 different people. Need to rely on ourselves in terms of voting.. you aren't worried about me or jun or nathan?

She's listening, but.. seems unconvinced.

gotta go, really..

nate with cap??

talking about the stresses.

Kaili

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
F3- Jack tells Dana that thuis early in the game you have to stick with t5he people you arrived with until you run out of votes- never before in this game has there been such a ready made alliance.

Dana agrees. Jack tells her not to jump to conclusions- she said taht is what she did this morning. Jack says when they formed the alliance they assumed that exes wouldn't work together.

Dana talking about Erica and what she assumed they were talking about (the game)- not that they were talking about their past.

Jack saying they have to cover their backs- Dana says they can't be having confrontations and verbal attacks. Jack says she isn't one to talk about her life- but she is firm in what they are doing with the 7 of them (the alliance).

Dana has watched the game for the last two years. Jack says those two years were more indicative of what the game is about than the first.

Jack says he saw great players come into the show and they are too engaged initially.

Nathan joins them at kitchen counter and asks if everything is okay. Nate says the house is wearing on everyone- they're all short tempered with lack of food and sleep.

Ryn

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
jack on BB - he has watched all 3 years...

he said the 1st year was different - but in the last 2

There was too much distrust. You need to not exhaust yourself trying to cover your bases.

Don't isolate yourself, etc (in general - not just towards dana).

Nathan has come up to them

Nathan "I think this house is wearing on everyone"

Prisonerno6

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun and Ali talking about E/R convo and dana's reaction. Ali said Dana was listening at window and in front of Jack said, "I don't effing trust them!"

Jun says something about E bawling.

They are hiding behind the red cubes, peeking up to spy on others, laughing like a couple of grade schoolers...

Now they crawl behind the counch to listen at outside window (don't know who's talking about there). Oh, Dana and Erika, who shoudl be able to hear them laughing. Erika is weepy. Someone asks what they are doing, Ali says just being silly for the cameras.

Ryn

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison and Jun whipering

Alison explains to Jun that Dana was trying to listen earlier to Robert and Erika and was freaking out - so Alison went out to break up Robert and Erika before Dana freaked out any more and gave away the fact that they don't consider Jack and Erika as a part of the aliance anymore.

Dana must have gone out to talk to Erika - so now Jun and Alison are trying to listen in - but they are laughing as they do it.

401408

The conversation outside is simply Dana and Erika talking about the game and Dana explaining why she was mad and that she feels bad.

Alison and Jun are not listening any more - I think they were kind of half-joking as anyone in the room could seem them evesdropping.

Prisonerno6

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:24 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana and Erika...

D says she needs to learn to control herself and not jump to conclusions. Apologizes to E. Says she wishes she could identify with what E is going through. Erika is sniffling. D says if there is anything she can do. E syas she doesn't know why she is here with him (R). D asks if she thinks everything happens for a reason, is it just a twist for somebody's amusement. E says it makes he mad and she's trying to deal with it. D says she feels for her, she doesn't know how she would handle it. IF they did it to some they should have done it to everyone, it wasn't fair.

Kaili

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
F3- Jack, Nathan, and Dana still

Jack says if you rely on too many people you end up with no one to rely on. Nate saying he understands because he would be uncomfortable with an ex in the house too.

Jack telling Nate that he was telling Dana that she needs to trust Erika and that she is committed to anything the group wants to do. Don't be paranoid about the alliance talking to other people as long as they stick together.

Robert has joined them now as well. Talking about NY people speaking their mind- Jack used to be married to a New Yorker.

Jack asks why he is whispering- they are talking about the sun now. Dana says they get so used to whispering taht they do it all the time and always look suspicious.

Dana outside now apologizing to Erika. Says Robert called her into the room- she wasn't being nosey. Says she doesn't have an ex here so she assumes it's all about the game. Erika crying- Dana saying she feels bad about questioning her.

Paraphrasing and missing some stuff...
Erika- you're playing a great game

Dana- I should have addressed you later if I was suspicious

Erika- I just wanted to talk to him- I didn't think he was going to be here

Dana- you didn't expect to have to deal with emotions, I wouldn't be able to just le it go without discussing it- so much unresloived stuff- it's easy for me to judge and assume it's all about the game cause I don't have an ex here.
Need to control myself, not jump to conclusions.

She's saying Robert was going to go and talk to her, but she said she would do it because it's not high school and they're all adults. Says their relationship was different and it's not like she can go to a 21 year old and ask for advice about relationships from them

Erica says she doesn't know why she's here with him.

Dana wonders if Erika feels everything happens for a reason? Says Erika is not a machine, she feels for her, doesn't know how she would handle it. It isn't fair- they should have done it to everyone because it's not fair to them (those who have exes there).

Erika says she doesn't know how she feels right now. Dana says it's gotta be tough.

Michelle walks by and asks if Erika is okay. Dana and Michelle talk about PMS crying. Michelle says if she wants to let out any anger she's there to listen. Dana says how cute she is and how she wishes she was 19 again.

Erika goes to get swimsuit on.

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:28 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana admits that if she had an ex here it would be totally different.. Nate says he does understand.. Jack too..

Jack says Dana has to trust Erika, she's solid, committed to anything the group wants to do.. so we shouldn't be second guessing if she talks to Robert. Nate also says you can get "wore out".

Jack again says stick with the seven.

Dana keeps talking with Robert there.. just talking and talking.. Jack recovers by saying to Robert that they were talking about people getting on nerves (to cover what Dana was saying about losing trust within alliance) (ed. the loose cannon syndrome?)

Jack doesn't want to get sunburned.

Jack is good.. jokes about whispering, loudly, to deflect anyone who was suspicious about them whispering..

They tell Dana she should talk to Erika.. she goes outside and says she is really super sincerely sorry, that she doubted for a second.. Erika is still teary.. Dana says she wasn't nosy but was suspicious.. Robert did call her in.

Dana says Erika was right.. Dana has no ex in there and for the exes it isnt' just about the game.. Dana is talking very fast, running in place, intense.. etc etc.

Erika still sniffling.

E says Dana's playing the game, great game, etc.

E still with no sunglasses.

E says she just wanted to talk to him.. now crying about Scottie again.

E surprised she is crying, didn't know Robert would be here, etc.. Dana asks if E is premenstrual. etc..

Quad.. switching to feed with jack, ali, robert, nate and an elbow.. Michelle laughing in kitchen

All clothed but Michelle in little red bikini..

Talking about their mottos.

Ali admits hers is Irwin spelled backwards is winner.. no one calls her on the fact that it would be NIWRI..
Checking quad again..

(why can't I leave this alone?? sicksicksick)

back to Erika/Dana convo very quiet..

Erika doesn't know how she feels right now.

Dana says gotta be tough.


Someone else there now.. (my guess is Michelle, who seems to appear at every private convo)..

Michelle asks if Erika is ok. Dana says when sne is PMS she'll be crying, Michelle says her too, asks Erika is ok again. M says she's there to listen if E wants to let out anger.

They are laughing about BB spraying the grass green.

Erika goes in to get in bikini.. walks past those at kitchen to turtle room. to bathroom. to WC, blows nose checks porecam .

OK, I'm gone. really.

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:31 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun, Nate and Ali on HOH bed laughing about trying to monitor everything ..

Dana has burst in, no motormouthing about how she doesn't have an ex here, genuinely felt bad,

FOTH

Prisonerno6

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali, Jun, Nate, Dana in HOH, Dana, sprawled over Nate with her arms aroud him. Talking about getting DVDs of the show. Jun has her bikini and fishnet top on, N says fishnet is so provocative.

FOTH

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:35 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
outside michelle is having a "like" filled convo with Erika about the passage of time in the house..

in HOH same gang, brittle laughs.. they encourage Dana that it was good for her to aplogize to Erika.

Dana lying on top of Nathan now.

Ali is highly amused about everything.

Ali gleefully says "poor Amanda" they all agree she is so nice.

Snarky talk about their DR entries. Ali says she talks about Justin, Nathan. Nathan says they ask him about Michelle all the time. Dana says all of hers is about Nathan.

FOTH
byee

Ryn

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:36 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun, Alison and Nathan in the HoH room.

Laughing about the goings on this AM - they seem to be talking about either Erika or Dana - that you can't talk to everyone in the house, not get worried if someone else is.

Its Dana they were referring to. Dana is in the HoH room now - telling them the same thing she has told others. that she felts bad about Erika.

Alison says she kinda gave Amanda a hint she was the one getting voted out when she gave her a drink last night. Jun did something similar.

They are giggling, and at the same time saying "she is so nice."

Nathan - "I can't wait to get the DVD and see all the stuff" (ed - huh what? lol)

Talking about the Diary room.

Alison "the ask me about justing and my boyfriend at home, well, my ex"

Nathan "they ask me about michelle all the time"

now talk has changed to bathing suits

Seamonkey

Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:39 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert has joined them in HOH now. Robert tells Jack to come in..