Archive through July 28, 2003
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July 28, 2003 - Day 24 - Plotting - who will go Dave? Jack?:
Archive through July 28, 2003
Kalekona | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:04 am     Ali and Nate playing horse nate "what are you a hor?" Feed 3- Jack, Justin and Dana talking about ali and Nate and veto said the speech was uncalled for and no reason to keep ali "to give her a second chance They are trying to make a deal with Jack and Erika. Jack- nate is uneffective in voting a descissions. we need to have these meetings more often instead of staring at each other across the abess Justin-actions speak louder than words. nate honestly believes Ali is going to win HOH jack- based on how far she got last week, he thinks she'll win justin-that was a trick question and she feel for it. off to talk to Erika. They do want a deal with Jack and Erika to nominate nate and ali if either one gets head of household. Jack was actually agreeing with them in principle.. (ed game play or trying to safe himself?) <ok this is my first time posting so forgive the choppy incomplete conversations, i hope i get better.> |
Watching2 | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:12 am     Jack is now asking dana and justin if there's any negotiating or are they set on keeping dave. They're telling him as far as it goes now they're voting Dave out. They hope they wont take Nate back into their group. Dana says she did what she did to level the playing field. Jack says he'll obviously have to look for some protection. Jack wasn't happy with what Nate did today. Justin is telling Jack he has 100% protection from them - Dana..I swear to god. Just - I've never lied to you Jack. I know you've had to lie to me, but I never had. Dana says she put up Jack with Allie because never thought Jack would go. Jack didn't think Nate would use veto since Allie said she was ready to go quietly. (lost sound) Dana is saying you cannot play with emotions even tho that's what people were accusing her of doing. Justin wants to know if they can get Erika on board. They had told Dave he was ok, but rethought it after he left room. They want Jack to talk to Erika. They know she's close to David. Dana didn't want to see Dave go, but Nate put her back up against a while. They're afraid that David might take Nate back into the fold. Should get stronger player out - so Dave needs to go even though they wanted him to get to being sequestered. They're talking about the numbers and they can guarantee Jack & Erika safe for two weeks. Later it will be all for themself. Jack says they have to stop nominating on emotions. That's why they thought about keeping Dave earlier in day, but now rethought it. D- After one of us goes next week it will be 4&4 again. Jack says if he talks to Erika he can't lie to her. She's going to want to know what they're telling you. They're saying he can tell her they're offering her the same deal. Justin & Dana think David will take Nate back. Jack says he'll talk to Erika. Dana says he can wait until tomorrow. Dana said before her biggest mistake in game was not putting Nate & Allie up at same time when Jack said that's what they should have done. Dana is saying she made a great move for the game even though she went against original. She's talking about how Nate is selfish and packed w/emotions. She didn't use veto cuz Nate didn't want it even though she wanted Scott out. Then David didn't use it. Justin is telling Jack not to let Nate talk him back into letting him back in. He's going to say they're better together. Jack is saying Nate isn't that good w/keeping convictions and plays with a lot of fear. Dana says he hit the nail on the head and she's so fg mad at him. Dana is saying you can't depend on Nate to carry them through. Justin knew last night he was going to use veto. Jack is saying to keep the chaos out of the house they need to talk to each other rather than stare across yard at one another. Justin is sick of all the lying and what he'd like to see is Jack or Erika put up Nate. Nate really thinks allie will get HOH next week and they're all saying how stupid that is. Allie said she lost on purpose last week and Justin says she got caught on trick question. Dana and justin are going for their nightly rub down. Jack is sitting on couch outside contemplating. David sitting on side of hot tub, Jee & Robert in tub. Sounds like Allie and maybe Nate are playing BB. Jack sitting looking pensive. Getting up now and casually walking toward hot tub. Dave is making silly noises. Jack says hello to Erika. Erika asks if he's not hot tubbing and he says he had his haircut, had shower, so not going in. Asks if temp went up and Erk says seems like it went down. They're talking about what's not working on hot tub. Jack says it's still 98 deg. |
Watcher | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:12 am     Dana and Justin have come out to the patio with Jack to talk. Others are outside now, too...some playing basketball across the yard. Justin just told Jack that one way or the other, they think they are getting Dave out of here. Jack said he just wanted to touch base and see if they had made up their mind. Dana said there is no reason not to take out a strong player now..it can't be about people. Justin and Dana think that is exactly why Nathan did what he did...to get David out. He thinks that Jack and Erika would be nothing without David. Justin says he just hopes that they don't take Nathan back. Justin says once David gets out of here, you guys could have 2 solid weeks. Jack says he would need some guarantee...you know what Nathan is going to do. Dana says yeah he's going to put up me and Justin. Justin thinks Nathan thinks he is going to be running the ship. Dana and Justin telling Jack he will have their 100% protection. Dana says it was never her intention to have Jack leave. Justin says Nathan and Alison deceived everyone. Jack says he was not happy with the decision that was made today. Dana's intention was to make it a level playing field. You cannot play on emotions and people were saying I was playing on emotions. I can guarantee you both that you will be safe for the next 2 weeks. Jack says he will talk to Erika. Dana says she knows Erika will not want to see David go. She doesn't either, but Nathan put her back against the wall. Jack tells her what she should have done was put Nathan and Ali up together. Dana says that might be the biggest mistake she has made in here..might be her downfall. They are trying to make a deal with Jack and Erika to get Alison and Nathan out of there and then deals will stop. Jack says what we have to do is stop making emotional decisions from now on and go for the jugular. Dana says she never thought in a million years that Nathan would use the POV. Justin says did you hear his speech? There is no reason to give Ali another chance...for what? (a lot of fast talking on Dana's part so missing a lot of this...but a lot of what she is saying has been said a lot already in the past day or two) Jack says again that he will talk to Erika. Justin just wants them not to let Nathan talk them out of it. He will talk to them and try to convince them to go with the numbers. Jack says Nathan plays with a lot of fear. Dana says he hit the nail on the head with that one and she is just so f**king mad. (noise from basketball court getting loud so can't hear some of conversation) Jack says to manage this thing better and to keep the chaos out of the house, they need to have conversations like this. Justin said he would love to see Jack or Erika get HOH and put Nathan up. He is fed up with him. Says Nathan actually feels Alison will win HOH. Dana says why does he say that when it is pure luck. Justin says that Alison said she lost last week on purpose, but the fact of the matter is it was a trick question. Now Justin and Dana get up and go inside after Jack assures them that he will talk with Erika and get back with them. Jack remains sitting on patio, as if in thought for a few minutes. Now gets up and walks over to hot tub to chat with the hot tub group...Erika, Jee, Robert, and David. |
Watcher | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:32 am     Cam 1 Dana is lying on Justin's bed on her stomach, shirt pushed up high, with Justin straddling her legs and giving her the nightly massage. Dana says wouldn't it be great if we were the last two? Justin says it would be awesome. Dana says we could say f**k you to everyone...you hated us. Says the only bad thing would be that they wouldn't get the beach time. (sequestering) Justin says are you kidding? We would get beach time for a month after this. (both laughing) Laughing now about Robert and how he makes them laugh. When he gets excited he slaps himself on the side of the head. Dana thinks her Dad will love Robert. Now talking about the people behind the wall. Dana believes they get excited back there watching them. Justin says he can't believe they think that they can't hear them behind the walls. Dana says Dave is going to leave this house hating f***ing Nathan with a passion...he really is. Says her whole back feels bruised. Suddenly Justin lays on top of her for a minute and pulls covers over them saying mic mic, then raises up and continues massaging her. FOTH now. |
Canadian_Bbfan | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:48 am     Beddy time... Erica and Jack and Dave together... Ericka perturbed voice talking about talking with Dana and Jun, specificly adds 'Korean' to Jees discription as she spits it out vehemently. E - I mean I guess, you know what I have to admit ... if either of you were up and I had the veto I'd have done it too.... I'd have totally done it Erica- I'd have done it too, it is to my disadvantage, but I understand it. |
Watching2 | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:51 am     Recap of conversation in bathroom among Nate, Allie, Jack & Erika. Jack is telling them everything he talked about with Dana. Saying they're offering him and Dave same deal. He's telling them they want a guarantee from him they wont nominate him if he's HOH. They were practicing trivia for HOH. Now Jack is telling them that Dana said she won't let Nate dictate when David goes. Jack has been trying all damn day to get Justin alone and as soon as he did, Dana showed up. Jack is talking about their alliance sticking together no matter who goes. He wants to know if it's him before Julie says so. They think they can get Robert & Jee on his their side. They don't trust Jun at all. She's trying to get info all the time (this was said previously.) Next week it will be tie-breaker and HOH will have to decide - they have to get it. Now Jack is saying that they need to talk to Dave and tell him what they're doing - telling both they are staying. Ask Dave how he would like to go. Dave came in. Jack also said they need to keep that they are still aligned with Nate & allie secret. Jack is now telling Dave they told him they changed their mind and are keeping Jack. They think the 3 of them E, Jack & Dave are with them - Dana & Jus, etc. now. Talking about next HOH and however it goes as long as one of them gets it to put up Justin and dana. Justin will draw blood to win veto. Jack says they think Dave is so pissed at Nate and Jack told him he was too, so they want them to recruit Erika. They are letting them believe they are mad at Nate, but not really. Erika says she can't wait until they approach her and Jack relates they wanted him to talk to her and he'll just say she wants them to come to them. They all need to relate that they're pissed at Nate - (this is a bluff so it seems) Jack, Erika & Dave all in bedroom. Erika says the other group are such morons. Jack says they are morons. (They must be true to alliance w/Nate & Allie since they are no longer a part of this conversation.) They think they're idiots to come to them for a deal. E says they both have their sides so go away. Jack says they think Nate messed up today so they can get them with them. Jack says he put on red shirt to blend in w/eviction chair. He's been telling them he doesn't want to be seen. Erika says today was worst possible scenario for them, but she has to admit, if she had the veto and dave or jack were up, she would use it too. Jack says he doesn't really blame nate for him and dave says he doesnt either. DR asked Dave how he felt about Nate using veto and (missed what he said) but Dave said, More power to him. Jack was surprised Nate did it, but he understands it. Jack goes to brush teeth. Someone in shower, but voice still in br w/Erika & Dave. Back to E & D. Dave wonders what they'll do since he has a better chance at winning competitions. Dave says if they want E to cut a deal, she has to go the way she wants. E says she can't believe they haven't approached her. Dave can't stand Jun - talks more sh** in DR about her than anyone. Talking about Jack's disadvantage being married and can't do what he can do w/flirting, etc. Now E is telling Dave she was trying to plant seeds in hot tub with rob & jee how boring it will be there w/o dave. E says if Dave does stay they'll be sitting pretty for a couple of weeks. (Looks like Erika would prefer Dave to stay!) Dave says he keeps forgetting he's on camera and has hands in his pants. |
Watcher | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:51 am     (came in in the middle of conversation between Jack and Erika, so hope someone else got this) Jack talking to Erika about conversation with Justin and Dana. Says he has been trying to talk to Justin all day. Says he has got to get David in here. Dave feels pretty strongly they have made a commitment to him to get Jack out and it may be that way. Erika can't get a reading on it. Dave comes into room now. Erika says it's my two little nominee boys. I'm sorry guys. Jack tells David they offered him same deal as they offered Dave this morning and now they say they have changed their minds and Dave is going. Says he thinks they are covered no matter who gets HOH. Dana and Justin now thinks the three of them are now with them...that they are so p*ssed with Nathan. Jack asks Dave if they ever told him they would not ambush him...that they would come to him and tell him if he was going to be the one to go. Erika says they can't do that....it's against the rules. Jack says they offered to come to him and tell him if he would be the one to go. Erika says how can Dana even know...she isn't voting. For the sake of covering David's back, Jack will tell them that David is also angry at Nathan and Alison. (to protect him) Jack suggests to Erika that she tell them she will go along with them just to cover herself. They are all going to pretend they are p*ssed at Nathan. (whispering..so hard to hear some of it) Jack says they are offering Jack and David both the same thing...maybe it's a test, but they will have to vote one of them off. Erika says they are such morons. Jacks says they are morons, but we've got to win the contest. Erika asks why would they even ask anyone for a deal..they're so stupid. Just do what you gotta do...stay away from us. Jack says he has been very preoccupied since Dana dumped that s**t on him this morning thinking he was going to be the one to go. Erika says it was horrible for her...her two best buddies up on the block. She has to admit if one of them was up on the block, she would have used the veto, too. They can't blame Nathan, even though it is not to their advantage. Jack has never felt any problem with that decision. It surprised him that he understands it. Gets up, saying he has to go brush his teeth...leaves the room. Erika telling David that Dana has no power...it's Justin calling the shots. Erika wondering why they haven't approached her. Talking about Jun. Erika says she hates that b**ch. Dave says he just wants to hit her everytime she touches him. Erika says one thing is...if it's you and I left, then we know we will be safe for next 2 weeks. |
Canadian_Bbfan | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:59 am     Backing up what Watching2 has put at the end of the post abouve... picture proof of Dave:
shortly after this he had both in. |
Watcher | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:07 am     Cams 1 & 2 Dana/Justin massages seems to have ended. Now they are lying side by side on bed not much talking, just teasing and playful with each other. Heard Jee's voice for a second saying so Rob, talk to me...now sound back to bedroom, but little conversation. Dana asks Justin why he is lying all up on her. He replies because she smells good...like flowers or something. (changing back to other cams) |
Watcher | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:15 am     Jack leaving Desert Room...says he is going to go eat some Advil. Erika says mmmmm...sounds delicious. David says the only sh***y thing is if he leaves he will have to get a job. What month is this? July? (in thought) Wonders out loud...two grand maybe? Yeah would say about two grand....might last him til fall and he could get a little rest. He doesn't want to go yet. He doesn't know what to do, he has so many decisions. Now he is making sound of dripping water. Jack comes into room and lights go out. Erika wonders what time it is. She gets up and says she is going to go get something to eat. Jack says he hates that packing s**t. Jack lies down on bed and says what a revolting development this is. David laughs. Says the most pressure he feels in here is having his kids on the internet...all that grab a** profanity s**t. He just can't get involved in it. David says he isn't too comfortable with the internet thing either. You know someone is going to get everything that goes on. Now cam moves to patio....Jee and Rob talking. |
Auntie | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:31 am     jee is telling robert that they can't be blinded by dave's charm. robert agrees. they say that dana goes to jun for advice, and follows it. jee says he saw it in justin today, he's letting personal feelings get in the way. but he doesn't like nathan, and neither does jee. jee says nathan is boring as hell, he's a . jee says he thinks dave has been throwing competitions, that when david wanted to win one, he did - the veto competition. dave asked jee who he would have put up if he had used the veto. jee is convinced that if dave wants something, he will do it. he says that dave could easily win the hoh, if he doesn't go this week. jee says the question is that if dave wins hoh and does not put nathan up, that's the worst case scenario - but in this house, worst case scenarios are always what ends up happens. jee expounds on dave winning hoh and not putting nathan up, he thinks that is very plausible. jee says jun has already thought about all this, he knows her. robert says that he and jee each need to win hoh to get themselves to the end game. jee says ali is all about giving up her body for a vote. jee says that dave grabs her ass, nathan has some, and jee says if the wanted to, he could spread her cheeks. ali uses her body and doesn't care, he doesn't respect her for that. jee gives props to ali for using her body to stay. jee says michelle deserved to leave because she didn't do anything to save herself. jee says erika worked it, worked her age to stay. either way, it's true, she wasn't going to win the 500, but he didn't want her to go on his watch as hoh. jee says he likes erika, but he isn't going to hang out with her during sequestered with her, he will make the best of it, if he gets drunk enough, he will hang with anyone though, but people are different when they are in the house, and the sequestering might be different. jee remarks on the tension between ali and dana, how much they hate each other. robert says he is going to slap nathan down for being a , he's going to ask him if he wants to get slapped now or later? jee says nathan is going to deny that shit. he says that dana grows on you, the first day, he and dana had beef. nathan arrives, robert asks the question - you want me to slap you now or later? are you whipped or what? posting |
Watcher | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:31 am     Jee is talking about one of the females in the house (didn't hear which one). Says she is so fake...he can't stand that fake stuff. Thinks she wants to f**k David. Robert says she should...before he leaves. Robert can't wait until the time comes when they leave the house and they are together talking about the time in the house....the way they talk every night. Jee says he couldn't stand being in the house if they didn't have this. With Justin and Dana he feels like a third wheel. Says Dana is becoming more loving to him and Robert because Justin brings out that girly thing in her and that could be a mistake for her...not with them, but with others. Jee says America loves David...he is so wacky and entertaining. He is all about loving life and that's why we love him and that is why America loves him. That is why he will go a long way. Talking about Jun and Dana's bond. Saw the seriousness in Justin today. He is letting emotional things get in the way...he hates Nathan. Jee doesn't think Nathan is as much a threat as David in the competitions. He thinks David has thrown a lot of them. Thinks if he wants something, he will win it. If he doesn't leave this week, he could easily win HOH. He's not going to hold back anymore. Jee says worse case scenarios always happen in this house. He thinks David would use Nathan on his side if he stays and put up Jun and Dana or Justin and Jun. Says Jun has already thought about this..he knows, because he talked to her about it. Robert says that is why they have to win HOH. Jee says Ali is all about giving up her body for a vote. He bets that he could spread her cheeks if he wants. Robert says spank her a** tomorrow. They agree she likes that...wouldn't care. Jee says he cannot believe she turned it around...the way she changed Nathan's mind. He gives her kudos...that is amazing how she did that. Now talking about how it will be when they are sequestered all together. Says people can be very different when they are in the house. They see Ali up in the kitchen. Say Dana and Ali have a lot of conflict between them...you can just feel it when they are together. Jee says Dana grows on people. Says the first day she and Jee had a beef....(he didn't finish thought as Justin and and Dana just walked out) |
Kalihiwahine | Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:38 am     On patio, Jee has been talking with Robert. Jee: Dave is a threat, someone who can win competitions, better for him to leave. Also said that Jun has power over Dana... that Dana checks out every decision with Jun first. Saying that Dana is feeling "girly" because of Justin making her feel good and it showed last night when she came around and kissed him & Robert goodnight... even though Dave is "charismatic and lot of fun", he's a threat... has to go. Jee & Robert talking about their (J&R)relationship has been so good. Jee says that if Robert were not there, he (Jee) would probably just be playing cards all the time. Says that they will get together after the game with Jee's girlfriend and whoever Rob is with. Really enjoying their time here in the house together. Justin & Dana are now out with them. Rehashing their earlier conversation with Jack. Their offer to Jack about HOH and future nominations. In the house, Nathan & Allie are still awake and refreshing their memories about past events so in case this info is needed for competitions. |
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