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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Big Brother IV - August 2003 Live Feed Archives: August 11, 2003 - Day 38 - Nathan tries to save himself: Archive through August 11, 2003

Justareader

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
I had to go to cam 4: sounds like nate is trying to get justin and company to vote jack for eviction....can anyone transcribe it ? I have to take care of daughters....I can post a little synopsis later...

Stinkyhalf

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate is begging Just to team up. Telling him Jun who is not going after the HOH and 3 people are going after him. It just something for you you to think about
Jus... you had good move man untill you took Ali down. She has been telling me things sence day one. I know when she is lying and I call her out on it. She told me from day one she would not put me up.
Nate... she told me she made a deal with her if she didnt put you up and you wouldnt put her up.
Jus... she is all about herself and dont care about one ••••••• person in here.
Jus... I honestly dont think she will put me on the block. She is the last person on my list I am not going after her.
Jus... she just turned me against you.
Jus... telling Nate Rob was pissed when Nate said Jus was the only threat on the other side.

Jus... what the •••• lets do something different in this game, Jus lets forget the past.
Nate... I swear to God if you spare me I will put up anybody you want me to.
Jus... its not that man you got to do what best for you without hurting us.

Nate... telling different ways to get rid of people Jus wants gone. I have never trusted Erica and Jack..
Jus...The only way I would consider it is because Jack is going out next week. It dont matter who goes first.

Zelindar

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Just tuned in to Nate and Justin alone in HOH. Nate trying the Hail Mary pass by dissing Ali and saying he never had it out for Justin and he never tried to get Ali to put Justin up when she was HOH (ed. a lie).

Nate says he never had an alliance with Jack and Erika. Justin says the J3 want Jack out and it doesn't matter to him if it's this week or next.

(PP)
Justin - I am a lot more forgiving but it's gonna take a lot to convince Jee and Robert.

Nate - I don't mind talking to them

Justin - It might be better if I talk to them

Nate says he wants Jun and Ali out.

Justin discussing scenarios if he keeps Nate and gets Jack out now. (He sounds sincere but wait until he gets back with J3 to see what he says).

Nate saying Ali wanted Dana out then Justin since she can't win with Justin in the house. Nate swears his loyalty to J3 if they keep him.

(More in a sec...)

Kaili

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun is whispering to Erika and Jack in bathroom about the conversation going on in HOH- hard to hear any of them.

Now Erika and Jack in desert room- whispering- Erika says they would prefer someone else take out Jee and Jun. Jack says Jun needs to take that jump- says Jee won't but he may be torn since Jun is the target. Erika says Jee knows he's odd man out and that is why he needs to jump.

Erika says they have the jury but they're in a better position with Alison than they are with Jee and Jun.

Erika says it's a diferent game with the jury- doesn't remember this going on last year.

Jack says Nate is doing exactly what he needs to be doing. Erika says the way the game is played is to do what you can to stay in. Jack says he doesn't expect him to roll over, Nate is mad at Ali and keeps mentioning the money.

Erika says Ali doesn't get the concept of alliances. Jack says she gets a blank look in her eye- she's too quick to agree sometimes.

missing some- whispering

Talking about scenarios- Erika says Jun's their mole.

Stinkyhalf

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:57 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jus... it will take a lot o convince the others
Nate... I will talk to them
Jus... No let me
Nate... I am telling you man I dont have or trust anybody in here.
Jus... the only person I am worring HOH is Erica
Erica... Lets just say if she does win, not saying she will I will guarentee I will get the veto
Nate... Honestly if she sees Jack gone she may come after me. The only person you would have gunning for you is Erica. The only way we went againse each other is cause of the girls. They are in there sceeming now
Jus. I have a fear of Erica. With Ali it was we would just tell each other stuff but she lied to me a couple days. I just let her talk.
Nate... bashing Jun and Ali and done want to see her kiss ass all the way to win this game
Nate... if you keep me here I am loyal to you 3
Jus... If I am on the block with robert what will people do... he is worried about this.(Trying to get Nate to say he would vote Robert out. But Nate did not)
Nate... back to bad mouthing Ali... I am in a bad situation because of it.
Nate... if you put me on the block next week
Jus... if we keep you we keep you. Why vote you out next week
Nate... I have no chance to make it with the jury, I am telling you I have no alliances. I wont ever come after you guys till I have too.
Jus... I understand sometimes when people lie, it has nothing to do with that and I dont doubt you cant be trusted...
Nate... I just want you to think about it, I have no alliancea. Jack and Erica are togeather to the end. Ali, playes both sides

RP froze up

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 12:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun leaves.. Justin still in bed.. Jee totally immersed in the cd. Robert still there but not on the actual feed (ed. best place for Robert)

Jee3 alone.. in HOH Robert says "heavy meeting in the turtle room".. they cackle.. wonder why Nate is allowed in the meetings since he's on his way out.

quadcam check.

Ali, Jack and Erika in turtle room.. on another feed Nate was sitting in an orange chair, seemed to be in bathroom area.

Ali said "we can do this"

Ali wonders what scheme Jee 3 will come up with..

Erika says "three brain cells".

Jack calls them "the amoebas".

Erika says "Ali remember that we'll have your back"

Ali cackles..

(ed. Will Ali Ally with the four or the two?.)

Ali says once we get the big one out (ed. Justin? ).. it will be easy.

Kack says Robert will crumble.

Erika says he has to go.

Ali says we can "so do this".

Going to Nate-feed.. he's talking.. oh!! he's in HOH!! Saying "let's forget the past!!".. still saying if Nate was to stay

Says to Justin why don't we fricken team up.. told Jee once didn't put him on the block.. etc.

Justin says he respects Nate coming in and talking.

Nate says you can't participate next week, wouldn't put "you guys" up.

Justin says the turning point was when Nate took Ali off the block, didn't understand the move.. Ali has been telling me stuff from day one.. came up first day and said she'd never put Justin up, that she lies all the time but Justin can tell when she's lying.

Justin said he told her if she ever got HOH and didn't put him up, THEN he'd owe her.. and she didn't put Justin up.

Nate says Ali told him Justin made a deal with her.

Ali says we are letting freakin' Ali do this.

Justin says when you get home, you will kick yourself in the a$$ when you hear what Ali says about you and me.

Nate keeps bringing the convo around to "if you spare me"

Justin says he doesn't think Ali will put him up.

Justin says he's really not after Ali, she's the last person on his list now.

Justin says he's after Jack and Erika.. says Nate wasn't even on the list.. but the talk in the hottub where Nate said only Justin, Ali, etc were threats for HOH but Jee and Robert were sitting right there and were really upset that Nate didn't mention them.

And Justin says he saw Nate talking to Ali right before that.

Nate says if I leave Jack and Erika will put you up.

Justin pressures Nate, who would you put up

Nate says Jun..

Now says if he is spared he will put up anyone they want.

Just says he doesn't mind if he puts Jun up, just not Robert, Jee or me.

Nate wants to go after Jun, feels like "her and Ali".. mumble..

Justin says if you put up Jun and Ali, whoever Jee3 wants out will go..

Justin says nothing to stop Erika and Jack from putting up two of Jee-3.

Nate says the trust is gone, never trusted Erika and Jack. Only one he trusted was Ali..

Justin says he can only realistically consider this .. they want Jack out next. but I don't know how you're going to act.

Nate says DUDE, outside this house i'm a freakin' loyal guy..

This is in you guyses hands.. I have no alliances, brother.. Jack is makin deals.

Justin says he's more forgiving but it will take lots more to convince Jee and Robert.

Nate says he had Justin's back the first week.. and says he kept Jee safe.

Talking fast and furious.

Nate says he'll be happy to talk to Robert and Jee. Justin says better if he does that.

Nate yammering away. Justin staying calm..

Nate loves hangin' out with you guys.. would rather see us make it that f-ing Jun, Alison..

Justin says, then Jack would leave, only worried about Erika..

Nate says if Erika won HOH, she'd put up Robert and Justin, everyone would go for veto.

Justin says he wouldn't want to go for veto if he was up with another jee3.

Nate says when Erika sees Jack gone, she might come after ME.. make a deal with you guys.

Nate says HE can talk to Ali and bring her along.

Totally in you guyses favor. Going against each other totally because of the girls.

Nate say he was NEVER in alliance with Jack and Erika. And Ali went behind his back.

Justin says his only alliances were with the two guys and Jun. Ali lied some of the time.

Justin says he's on the ropes too.

Nate says let me be honest, you are a cool guy.

Nate says between me and you.. Ali said he wanted Dana gone first and said if Justin is in this house, I don't stand a chance. Thinks Ali will manipulate herself to the end.. hates to see someone like that.

Justin says if I keep you here and I'm on the block, I worry about the votes, not the veto.

Nate says keep me here and my loyalty is to you guys.

Justin says if I'm up against Robert, then my people have to make a hard decision.

That worries Justin a little bit. but then he doesn't care that much.

Nate says we shouldn't be letting the girls con us.

Nate says Ali comes to me and tells me Justin is talking about you..

Nate wants to to go all the way with Justin..

Justin says if we keep you it wouldn't make sense to put you up the next week, we keep you to work with us.

Nate says it is different now, Ali comes up to him and he tells her to get away from him. Won't come after "you guys" until I have to. I'm a damn loyal guy.

THis would be a ballsy move, some ups but downs too.

Nate says Jack and Erika never gonna separate, Ali is totally with them. Justin says Ali is playing both sides.

Justin feels bad that Nate had to go through all this sh!t with Ali.

Ali can be convincing and seductive, etc., says Justin.

Nate wants a second chance.. could really help you guys out.

ANd this goes on and on and on


Now talking about the room, etc..

leaving..

Stinkyhalf

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jus... I will take it for the team. If I see Erica or Jack win I know I am going down.
Jus... walking in the house we were underdogs, I can walk out of the house happy. Being on the jury is playing the game, poor Michelle was not playing the game
Nate... I dont have any problem talking to anybody
Jus... now telling Nate about Jack talking to Jun earlier... blah blah blah Jun said we should just get Jack out of here. Telling Jus plans from weeks ago.

Both got quiet

To hard to follow these guys, same crap over and over.

Kaili

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack- doesn't make sense taht the whole side of the house would gang up on us at once- it's against the law to pick on senior citizens

erika- justin was way too adamant about getting Nathan put up- it's not going to happen.

Jack- they keep saying they don't want to deal with crazy women

Erika- then why take the risk- who knows if it's going to be elimination veto

Jack- they don't think we can win anything- very presumptous

Erika- they want to keep ali to use her to get rid of jee and jun- they want you out firts. it's very sneaky

Jack- this is more crucial than last week

Erika- we lost Nathan, but now we don't have to deal with him- i'd love if he stayed around but the cards aren't falling in his favor- would have loved the final 4 to be me you, nate, and ali

Erika- Justin has been feeding it to Jun- deflects her- she keeps falling into their trap, it's ridiculous

Jack- Jun would be very weary about laying down- what if Ali won it and put them up- why would they believe us that Ali is going to lay down?

Erika- it's a risk but...she doesn't think Jee will tell them what we've been talking about

Jack- I think she has some doubt that he'd tell them

Erika- maybe he's trying to see who they're targeting to be sure. Maybe he wants to find out if we're lying.


Erika- Can we win a compitition- are we able to

Jack- I'll go up there and my brain will freeze again

Erika- I'm not worried- you've been great with the other ones. Ali is compulsive

Jack- that's what I was thinking- she's flighty- brain interpreted it as compulsive, not obsessive- it was stupid- I plead insanity- can't rationalize it

Erika- we have to get HOH this week or we're screwed

Watching2

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin is spilling everything to Nate now re: what Jack has said to Jun every day. Continues to diss Allie about saying Jun & Jee has alliance. Justin is REALLY telling him everything. He still says it's going to take convincing the others in the alliance. Nate says he'll talk to all, but Justin says it would be better if he did it.

Justin is telling Nate he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way by using veto on Allie. Nate says he was told they were after him and Justin says he understands because he knows how Allie is and wouldn't have believe her.

Nate is swearing his alliance to the Jee3 if they save him. He'll even put up Allie if that's what they want.

Justin is saying that Allie can't know she's going out if she is - she won't get nominated, but will be put in with veto.

Justin and Nate seem to be bonding over their "Allie stories."

They are repeating earlier conversations, but Justin seems sincere with Nate. (Will see what happens when he's back with his "team.)

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate says he doesn't know how true Justin is with Jun, but if HE is with the guys they can clean the clock..

Justin says he'd have to clear it with Jun and Jee and Robert.. they have a good group

Justin says he knows he's the first target but he's ok with that..

Justin could walk out and be happy.. made it this far..

(says Nate didn't get a "fair shake")

Nate doesn't have no problem calling them all into the room..

Justin says that Jack and Erika have approached Jun and even Jee..

Then says that Jun said they should get Jack out (???)

Then Justin says Ali keeps saying that Jun and Jee have an alliance.. Nate nods.. Justin says in one ear and out the other Ali also tells him that Robert and Erika have an alliance.

Justin tells Nate that when he took Ali off he went against HOH.. Nate says he heard that he would be next off and Ali was his only ally..

Justin is being very understanding of Nate..

Nate grovels that he'll talk to all of them.

justin says he knows Nate wants Jun out.. Nate backpedals and says he'll go after Jack and Erika (ed. uh nate, if you are there, jack is gone).
Then Nate says he and Ali would be strong with the Jee3 (skating around the Jun issue)

Now Justin is putting forward if Ali is to go.. she must not know all week.. get veto put Ali up then)..

Nate again reliving his former predicament.. wants a second chance because bad Ali kept him and Justin apart!

ACK, timed out just before Justin MIGHT reveal if he wants Ali gone, or Jun.

Justin says half and half decision.. take a lot of convincing.. if he had HIS choice he'd probably do it.. lots of convincing.. but would have to convince the other jees..

Zelindar

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin tells Nate it would be a very ballsy move to take Nate in. They talk about how Ali goes back and forth between them talking about the other. Nate feels like Ali was the olny person he could trust and it backfired on him. Now his back it to the wall.

Nate: All I'm asking for is a second chance.

Nate says Ali got to him and Justin says he understands completely. Justin agrees that Nate didn't have a fair chance either.
(PP)
J - You gotta convince Jun, Jee and Robert. I'm gonna do what is best for the team now. I can say I played the game with no regrets and you can't say that.

N - I don't have any problem talking to them in here or seperately.

J - Ali was telling everyone Jun and Jee have an alliance and it went in one ear and out the other. She said Erika and Robert had one too and I had to laugh.

feeds coming in and out

N - I'll go after Erika.

J - This doesn't leave this room...if Ali goes up she has to go out. She can't know about it beforehand.

Nate agrees wholeheartedly. That's why he wants a second chance.

Justin counting numbers now...talking about putting up Erika and Jun, getting the veto and putting Ali up.

It's going to take a lot of convincing but J says if it was up to him, he'd do it (vote Jack off and take Nate in).

Kaili

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika and Jack in desert room- they fell quiet and both appear to be in thought...

Erika- do you think Nate threw the ping pong ball competition>

Jack- no- he kept talking about it, analyzed it to death...he wouldn't depend on Ali to do the right thing

Erika- I thought they were tighter than that- they were not

Jack- last thing I heard Julie say before the trap came down was that Ali and I had 6 apiece- thought there was going to be a tie breaker. Next thing I knew she has seven.

*Quiet again*

(gotta go- just thought I'd help for a few minutes)

Watching2

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin says this is all good stuff, but it's going to be f'g hard to convince those guys. Rob just came in and asked Justin if he wanted coffee.

Justin has to talk to them first - pitch it to them and then Nate will definitely have to give the pitch to them, but Justin needs to talk to them first.

Nate said whatever he says in there stays in there. Justin says definitely. Nate pledges his allegiece. Justin says he'll give it a try and Nate leaves.

(have to break here)

Stinkyhalf

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jus... If it was up to me I would keep you but its up to the others... If you stay we will tell you everything.
Nate... Said again their trouble was the girls. Erica may make a deal with you three and come after me

Rob comes in and ask if they were dont talking.

Jus... I want to talk to them first
Nate... I will talk to them after if you want me too.
Jus... we got the votes ALI, JEE, JUB
Nate... will Jun vote
Jus... Jun will do what we say

Nate leaves room

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate just hates a damn girl coming between two Dudes. (!!!)

Justin says can talk about it after we talk to those guys.

Robert knocks, gets something and leaves.

Nate AGAIN says wants a second chance.

Justin says he has to talk to them first..

Says they'll think Nate brainwashed Justin.

Justin says whoever he says goes, goes. Jun, Robert and Jee.

Nate is surprised, would Jun want him to stay?

NATE LEAVES.

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:17 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
All four feeds went to turtle room, where Erika and Jack are whispering about Jun and Jee in a pinch..

Jee-3 in HOH.. Justin making the presentation, Nate is humiliated, Ali brainwashed him.. etc.

Jee and Robert like this.

Says all of Nate's anger is about Ali, not because he's on the block. Robert agrees.

Justin says that Nate said he doesn't trust Jack and Erika.

Robert and Jee are nodding like puppets.

Justin says what if we get Jack out now.

Nate wants either Erika or Ali out.. (ed. not mentioning that Nate wants Jun out).

Justin thinks Nate would be so grateful, like they were with Dana (ed. didn't they turn on Dana later?)

Justin says he told Nate he'd have to put up Jun.. Jun and Erika.. then Ali is up and out.. (if they get veto).

Justin says if Nate stays he can tell Ali to throw HOH.. Justin says even if she does get it we aren't in trouble.. chance that Nate would go up.

The other side. if we get him out.

Robert says he has thought about this.. Nate already proposed this to him.

Robert says the longer Nate stays the harder it is for them).

Jun comes in and Justin starts his proposal again.

yadda yadda.. about Ali.

Kaili

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:29 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One more...paraphrased

Jack- thinking about who Ali will vote for- if he will be going- says Jun will do what justin says in a pinch.

Erika- I think it's a moot point- they think Nate is too emotional- he'll be gone

Jack- what if Jee tells Nate about the deal with us and Jee/Jun

Erika- I don't think Nate would buy it

Jack- they feed on Nate's anger at Ali- I can't see them keeping Nate here

Erika- i don't think they're going to

Ali comes in

Justin called in Rob and Jee right after- locked Ali out

says she layed on couch to try to hear- Nate walked out and looked at her then went outside for 2 minutes- came back in Ali gave him a dirty look. Says Nathan's making a deal to stay in

Ali -Nates being a traitor-why do they need him to get to me?

Jack- they don't, he's doing what he has to to stay- I knew something was up this morning when they all went in and closed the door of HOH- Nate has nothing to bargain with

Jack- Nate and I agreed days ago we would both do what we could to stay- had the same agreement with David

RP Communicating

(missed some)

Ali- I'll go ask him myself, I'm pissed (she leaves)

Erika- I don't think they'll keep him

Jack- I want to give them some time to do some circular reasoning- they'll eventually get back to where they started- I want to talk to Justin alone without Robert and Jee around. They're a herd mentality and a posyuring when you try to negotiate with more than one person

Cuts to Ali and Nate outside

Nate- I'm not going to campaign against Jack (HAHA)- just went to talk to them- why do you call me a traitor

Ali- the only deal I can see is you agreeing to help them get me out

Nate- you aremn't next

Ali- I know I am- I'm not mad at you but I will be if you're talking about me

Nate- you went behind my back- you can't talk

Ali- how?

Nate- i'm trying to survive- we were talking taht's it.

Ali- is it working?

Nate- I don't know- my one shot- I thought you were going to help me out and you haven't done anything

Nate- I'm sure if there's anything to talk about they'll call me back in there- it seems like you want me to go- why are you getting mad at me for trying?

Ali- I know you will go in and turn on me tro stay- I have a good feeling you did- I would expect you to be a man and at least tell me yourself- I want to know what you said about me

Nate- we talked about everything- you, Dana, Jun- how everyone's playing the game. You have nothing to worry about. You should be happy you're here and made sequestering- I saved you- seems like you're selfish more than I am

Ali- at least I don't talk sh*t about you

Nate- you don't even know what I said- how can you say that

Ali- I know you

Nate- I have no idea if I made it

Ali- you're very vague because you're hiding something

Nate- hiding what

Ali- I don't know

Nate- we talked in general about life- he thinks I'm a cool guy, I think he is. You can't be mad at me for trying to save myself

Ali- I'm not mad for taht but don't talk sh*t on me

Nate- Chill out- i'm not coming after you

Ali- did you tell them if they saved you you'd put up Erika or Jun or

Nate (interrupts) I'm not talking about the game

Ali- so you did

Nate- i'm not going to do it- you can call me anything instead of trying to supporyt me- it's like you want me to go

Ali- i never said i wanted you to leave but never asked you to talk behind my back either

Nate- how do you know I did

(Ali gets up and storms off into the house)

Nate goes back in too. Tells he she's overreacting- she blows things out of proportion.

Nate goes and lays in bed.

*Last post- I have to go now for sure*

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:38 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert says that's how the game is played.. you F up and you leave! I want him out.

Justin continues to plead the case for keeping Nate.

Jun says who's Nate going to put up.. Jun and Erika.. Jun says not Alison?

Jun.. you think Nate is willing to go out on a limb.

Jun says you guys had a threesome.

Robert says never get another chance.. he has to go this week.

Robert says in the future, we won't be able to get nate out.

Justin says he's the one who will go before them.. playing the sympathy card with Robert.

Jun says Justin wants us to put ourselves in his shoes.

But why do we believe Nathan.

Justin says Nate wasn't lying (but doesn't repeat the stuff about the evil girls).

Jun says what did he say about me? Justin not really answering that.. claims he said people think Jun is swayable.

Jun says it is different you guys are guys.

Robert says what do you want to do.

Justin says hard for Nate if he has to come in and talk now.

Robert says at the end is the problem.

Jun says Nate will run right back to Ali and Erika, he's not stupid.

Justin not buying that..

Jee says why risk that?

Jun says its not cool, when he and Ali are talking, it is always about you first.. why keep him another week.

Robert agrees.

Justin still countering all of them.. that Nate will be on "probation"

Jun says we've learned that when you have the opportunity you have to take it.

Robert says don't think it will be perfect.

Justin says nate will tell ali to throw hoh.

Robert says we'll do what is best for you.. you are HOH.. but for the team it is best for Nate to go.

Jun says for the team we know one of them are going.

Justin says he told nate the hardest thing is to convince "my team".

If we do make the move and keep Nathan we only have to worry about Erika getting HOH (ed. uh.. Ali?? )

Justin says what if Nate goes to the end and Fs us over.. he wouldn't win..)

Jee points out that Nate would still get the $50 grand.. and he should be gone this week.

Jee isn't convinced.

Tough for Justin.

Justin says if he had a guarantee that Jack and Erika wouldn't win HOH, he'd kick Nate out now.

Jun says that is thinking ideally.. Nate will change his mind to save his a$$,

Robert says if Ali got HOH, Ali, Nate and Erika could get anyone out.

Jee says it might backfire, that is his worry.

Jun says at this point it is a sure thing.. get him out now.

Robert says we won HOH and veto, all that work, get him out now. Jun says yes, all the work done but we need to get him out.

Jee says we need to make a decision here.

Justin wants to keep it open.

Jee says he'll hear Nate out. but..

Jun looking quiet.. she's been told to lie low, pretend not in allliance, Nate won't talk to her.

Jee says if Nate is saved, he will team up with them and go after us.

Justin trusts Nate.

Jun says would rather be us against Jack and Erika rather than us against Nathan and Ali.

Jun says Ali and Nate were giggling and talking right before Nate came in to Justin.

Justin says he could empathize with Nate, Ali totally at fault, seductive, etc.

Robert says "SO WHAT?" he f-ed up, he goes.
(ed and for once, I agree with Robert).

Jun says Nathan has to go.. he turned on them so easily, he'll turn against us.

Jee and Robert agree.. Jee says he has you almost convinced.

Robert doesn't want to be against him at the end.

(Justin is really wanting to keep Nate)

Jun says he didn't offer this last week or four days ago, only now when he is desperate.

Robert says he'd rather lose to Jack than to Nate.

Justin is guilt tripping them that they have to keep Justin more safe.

Jee says so you would be safe.. Justin says no, all of us. Jun says "except me".

Justin pedals hard and says but he'll put you up with Erika. Jun says he'll put me up with one of you and I'm gone.

Jee is willing to go with Justin, but we are a team and you are putting her (Jun) in jeopardy.

Jun says we still have the upper hand, stronger bond.. nothing different except Nate came in and spilled his guts.

Justin says if Nate puts Jun up, she's not at risk. Jee says, that's what he says.

Jun says he WILL put me up with one of you.. not Erika.. he won't want to piss off Erika.

Justin claims oh no.. Nate hates Erika and Jack.

Justin still talking fast in favor of keeping Nate.

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee says he can see it for Justin but not good for the team.

Justin says you can tell he's sincere.

Jun says he is sincere now but won't be next week.

Jee agrees with Jun.. Nate won't realy stick with them.

Jun says Nate has every right to go back on his word.. it is a game. and he should go.\

Jun and Robert don't buy that Nate can tell Ali to throw HOH. Jee chimes in and says Ali just said she wants Nate out.

Jun says Ali and Nate are both flip floppers.

Justin is still hung up on himself being on the block.

Sbeachy

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:46 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin is still working the J4 about keeping Nate. He want's them to hear Nate out, because he seems very sincere. Justin wants the other's to wear his shoes for a minute. He says he feels more comfortable having Nate being grateful next week and Jack gone because that means their are 2 people( ja& er) that would immediatley put up Justin. Robert kind of understand, but is thinking to the future. Justin says what future do I have if Ja or Er get HOH. Justin feels more comfortable that Nate won't come after him. Jun is asking him why change up the plans. Justin doesn't want to regret making the wrong decision. Especially if Jack or Erika get HOH.
Justin want's Rbo and Jee to talk to Nate, and ask question's of him. Jun asks why she can't hear it. Just tells her that she needs to remain in the othersides eyes as the "floater". That way she can keep gathering info.

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:48 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun says nothing has changed in two days except Nate is desperate.

We get rid of Nate, now, while we can.

Justin says he'll "hate my life" if Jack and Erika get it..

Jun says so do we make a group decision or just do what you want.

Justin wants Nate to talk to Jee and Robert.. Jun says why not me.. Justin gabbles about her being seen as a floater.. Jun agrees but says she can see why Justin wants this but Nate wants her out.
Justin says oh no. Jun says Nate hates Jun..

Jee and Robert alone.. Jee says he understands that Justin is thinking more for himself.. save yourself, one person, keeping Nate in.. as vs the whole team.

Robert is listening. to Jee.

Nate comes in, in a towel.

Justin went and got him.. Jun went outside.

Now Nate is making his pitch to Robert and Jee.

Ali as the whole reason Nate did everything.. girl coming between guys. blablabla..

(I have to leave for a minute at least)

Seamonkey

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 01:54 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nate telling Robert and Jee.. "us three to the end"

.. Robert says he trusts him.. no changing..

Jee3 and Nate.

Nate now saying he was "stuck" with the damned alliance of 8..

Jee says he can see that Nate is being very sincere.. you might mean it but next week they might change your mind..

Nate says you're gonna have to believe me.

Nate is playing on Robert's hate of Erika to say he can't get into Erika.

Robert questions why Nate thinks he controls Ali.

Nate says if you guys spare me, I'm with you.. don't think Ali will put them up.

Ali would put up Erika and Jun.

Aremid

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:05 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
na comes to the door of the bedroom where Ali is
Ali - says something about don't talk to me
Na - lets just let things happen...I'm just telling the story of what has happened from this and that...and let's just
Ali- they going to keep you
Na - I think they might
Ali - let's go from there
Na.....we'll go from there, don't go in there and try to ? my spot....don't go in there and say ?? OK?
(RP communicating)
Na - I know i'm going to be out the door anyway, if I leave next week, I'll leave next week, I just don't want to leave this week that way...like I didn't have a chance with the veto
Ali - you didn't
Na - do you want to go outside
Ali - NO
Na - Why
Ali - cause
Na - sighs
Na leaves the room

Ali - I'm not

Ryn

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:06 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Robert/Jun/Justin/Jee discussing voting Jack out instead of Nathan - since Nathen is promissing to vote out anyone they want if they save him.

Robert says it would suck to have him on the block anothr week (suck as in annoying it seems).

They feel that if they keep him he will stay longer than they expect and win something.

But they also feel that it might be good to eliminate Jack because he is aligned stronger wit Erika.

Aremid

Monday, August 11, 2003 - 02:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Na- I was in there talking about the game...and Ali thinks I am out to get her...just wanted you to know
Ja - she's emotional
Na just wanted you to know
Ja - thanks him and tells him he knew he had to go in there
Na - Ali I saved your bu--...I'm supposed to roll over and die
Ja - did she tell you she was mad at you
Na said something I couldn't understand (sounded like Oh yeah)
Na - I'll let you know everything
Ja - I expect you to go in there...you had t
Na - wanted to give you a heads up
Ja - I don't know any more than I knew before either