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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Big Brother IV - August 2003 Live Feed Archives: August 21, 2003 - Day 48 - The 'Twist' - JEack/Erika nominated.: Archive through August 21, 2003

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Wednesday, August 20, 2003 - 11:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
ali:jack and erika told me that you guys are going to put them up and then use the veto and put me up.
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jee:what i'm asking you is that if the veto used that you are perfectly safe. but if you win hoh next week,i want to know if i as safe.
ali:you are and we have to win every hoh the rest of the way.but i think jack is throwing every competion.
jee:i think we way over estimated him.
ali:jee,i don't care,just tell me how to vote and i'll do it, as long as its back to back.
jee:your're safe if the veto is used cause i will put up jun.
ali:i'm not on their side,you have to believe me,i'm not playing both sides.
jee:i know,and its good that you're kind of close to them cause you could bring back info.
ali:are we going to let these people know that i officially joined you.
jee:no,cause they'll go after you.i'm not taking anything against rob but he's not winning anything.
ali:but he won two veto compitions.
jee:but i gave that to him,he didn't really win them.

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Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:14 am EditMoveDeleteIP
jee calls erika into the hoh room. he tells her that he's seriously considering putting her and jack up.

erika:you're putting me up again.
jee:that's where i'm leaning but its not for certain cause we don't know what the twist is.

jee tells erika what jack told him earlier and he said it touched his heart. erika asks who would he put up if veto is used and jee says he doesn't know but it would be between jun and ali.

jee says he respects jack and erika the way they have played the game. and at this point of the game,there are only two teams so you probably know who's going up.

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Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:21 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali and Jee talking in HOH.

Ali tells Jee to not ever think they she's with "them" - Jack, Erika, Jun.

She's worried about what to tell them when she leaves the room. Jee says she can tell them if she wants. He's telling her that he will put up Jack & Erika and tell them it's his turn to take out their alliance since they took out part of his.

He says not to let them know she's on their side now. Jee tells Ali she is a stronger player than Robert. Jee says Robert hasn't really earned anything in a game sense. He really likes him as a friend, but he hasn't done that much.

(sorry missed a lot)

Jee is saying they'll talk again after the announcement of the twist. Ali is happy for Jee. Jee is happy he got actual things from home this time as HOH.

Jee tells Ali to call Erika in. Ali says she's next.

Jee tells her to come sit and asks how she is. Are you feeling OK? E says she's OK.

They're discussing how hard it is to nominate people you like in the house. Jee is telling E that she and Jack are very worthy opponets and he respects them.

He asks her if there's anything she'd like to say, even criticize him. He says he hasn't really decided who as yet to nom since the twist is changing things. E says you're nominating me! Jee says to be honest he could do that, but things could change w/the twist.

Jee says if Jack or E had gotten HOH it would be obvious Jee & Rob would be going after them because it's a game.

E - says if one of them goes that Jee can be sure of the loyalty from the remaining person.

Jee talks about Jun & Ali being floaters and says they are playing a different game, but they're here.

He starts to tell her about Jack offering to go since E deserves to be there. She says she knows and he says not to cry because he gets very emotional in this house and he might cry too. Jee was really touched Jack said that. They are both telling each other how much they respect each other. E says Jee made her cry.

E wants to know if she and Jack were up and got veto who would he put up. Jee says that's hard to say, esp. with twist. It could be either one as far as he's concerned since they're both floaters.

Jack & Erika are the biggest threat right now. Jee can't play with emotions right now because he couldn't put anyone up.

Justin worked hard to keep Rob & Jee in house and he wouldn't want his eviction to be in vain.
Erika respects that and would expect him to play that way. She would have had different nominatons if she was playing by emotions.

Jee is saying the first time he had HOH it was early in the game and there was the 8 alliance and he was influenced by some people. Others wanted him do to more of their dirty work and he thought he had done enough. He felt bad about Michelle going because he promised her and that's how he is. He's gotten over it and Erika reminds him he didn't know.

Jee keeps telling her how much he respects Jack & Erika. He can't say for sure until he finds out what the unexpected is, but he couldn't lie and say that he wouldn't be leaning toward putting up E and Jack.

They are giving each other props for their game playing. It's not personal, it's game playing. Jee always like to be honest w/people and he wanted to honest w/her. Tells her to call in Jack.

Jack thanks Jee for letting him talk to him. Jee says anytime! They mention having food competition tomorrow. Asks Jack if there's anything he wants to say. Jee tells him how much he was touched by Jack saying E was the better playing.

He's telling Jack the same thing he told E - he can't say he isn't leaning toward putting Jack & E up, but he respects even though they are on opposite sides, he respects him very much.

Jack is saying E and him have had extraordinary talks since they came in the house and they're going to miss that private time. They've said from the way back they hoped to bring Jee on their side since he's such an honorable guy and it could have been Jee, Jun, Erika & Jack in final 4.

Jack says if they could hatch a plan regarding Robert and Allison - they don't know what to make of Ali since they don't know where she stands.

Jack says they were always after the stronger players and that's why they wanted Justin out. They have thought that Rob & Justin were stringing him along as final.

He suggests putting he or E as a pawn and putting up Ali. Jee can't decide on that yet, esp. w/twist coming and also that POV can be used. He'll have to wait to see.

(Timed out.)

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Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
jee calls jack into hoh room.

jee tells jack that it touched his heart what he told him earlier. and that he told erika about it and she almost start crying. jee tells jack that most likely it will be him and erika up.

jack tells jee that erika and him planned that they wanted to bring him into their alliance to make final four with jun.

jee says he's sorry for ruining their plan.

jack asks about veto if its used, and jee says its obvious that there would be only two people to choose from and he doesn't commit to saying which of the two he would put up to jack.

Watcher

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:25 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee holding court in HOH room...Jack's turn now.

Tells Jack that he and Erika just had a pretty long talk.

Tells Jack it touched his heart earlier when he told him that he is the one who should be leaving instead of Erika...that she is the better player...was a very big thing of him to say.

He is not certain because of tomorrow's "Expect the Unexpected", what his decision will be.

He respects the fact that Jack has always been honest with his alliance and he deserves the same thing.

Jack says he and Erika have had extraordinary talks every night...has made them stronger together. Have been saying for a long time...if they could ever arrange for Jee, Jun and he and Erika to be the final four...Jee says yeah, Erika said same thing.

Jack says Jee was never ever targeted. Forgive him for talking about his alliance, but Ali is hard to gauge and in terms of long term planning, if the final four were Jee, Jun, Erika and Jack...says he and Erika have always gone for the jugular. Figured Justin and Robert were trying to get Jee in the finals and then get Jee out.

He knows Jee is man of honor and would never nominate Rob, but there might be a situation this week where he could nominate Erika or Jack as a pawn and they win the veto, they might open up a spot for him.

Jee says there are only two spots for me here, either Jun or Alison. I haven't decided yet which person would go up if you or Erika won veto. I see them as two floaters and haven't made decision yet. Could be either one.

Says Jun jumps away from team to team. He doesn't want to be judgemental about Jun, but doesn't know yet which one of floaters would go up there.

Tells Jack just know that he respects him. They are opponents right now and it's horrible...they respect his team and he thinks Jack respects his.

Says table turns every week.

Jack says it's a nice swing that keeps the game interesting.

Jack says he understands that it's a strategic move on Jee's part, not emotional one, to put them up.

Jee says it's the one he is leaning towards, but won't know until tomorrow.

Jack understands.

Jee says he admires way Jack plays this game and respects him very much. Jack thanks him and says he has played superbly under pressure.

Jee says they will talk again. Says they will talk again after nominations.

Watcher

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee talking with Jun

Says he doesn't really care which one leaves at this point...just wants to break up the alliance.

Jun suggests something to Jee which I missed as she talks so low. Jee says Rob would never go for that. Jun says why does he have to know.

Says it is not Jee's game anymore. Jee says it IS my team.

Jun says what does Robert want you to do?

Jee says it's not what Robert wants.

Talking about Jack and how poorly he has played...that he would feel better in the end going up against him.

They want to get Erika out as she is the strongest. Jun fine with getting Erika out.

Jee says "If the veto is used, I'm going to put you up to make sure the vote will go against Jack or Erika. I've made it clear I want their alliance to be broken up." Jun laughs.

Says she is fine with that. She understands his alliance with Robert. They are on bed, talking and kidding around some.

Jun asks if Ali wants Erika out...Jee says she does.

(some whispering so I can't hear everything)

Said he told Ali some things to feed her some lies. It's really not an alliance but she thinks that it is...that she is protected, but she really isn't.

Jun says they are all going to ask what we have talked about.

Tells her to just say he is planning to put up Jack and Erika, but it depends on what happens tomorrow with the "Expect the Unexpected".

(missing some)

Jee tells Jun to just be careful what she says. If she f***s him over, he will f*** her over, too.

Jun giggles and says she can't believe he won today.

More joking around between them.

Jee says the plan is to get them out and then go after Alison....that he just doesn't trust that b***h.

(Jee talking too fast to catch everything)

Says he is just going week by week.

Jun whispering to him to be careful about something....I heard Robert's name.

Jun asking if he is going to tell Robert that he and Ali know that he is going after Erika. He says yes.

Tells her again to be careful.

After checking out Jee's fridge, Jun leaves.

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Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:38 am EditMoveDeleteIP
jee calls jun into hoh room.

jun asks who does he want out. and jee says it doesn't matter as long as its one of the two,meaning jack and erika.

jun tries to get jee to put up erika and jack and then use the veto to put up ali out.

jee tells jun that if veto is used, that he will put her up.

jee tells jun that erika is the one they plan to evict next cause she's the stronger player. jun asks if ali knows and he says she does.

jun says its a good plan to get erika first unless jack pulls something out of his butt.

jee tells jun to keep watching his back cause he's been watching hers.

Watcher

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:47 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rob and Jee talking now.

Rob asks if anything good happened.

Jee says everyone knows the deal.

Says he made Ali think she was in the alliance.

Told her they wanted to get Erika out.

Said to her, if we get to final four, would you rather have Jack or Erika? Erika is the stronger player....can do better in the end against Jack.

Rob looking all happy...tells Jee he did everything he thought he should do.

Telling Rob everything he said to everyone.

Rob smiling and looking as if he is about to burst with excitement about tonight's events.

Asks if Erika tried to offer him anything. Jee says no. She was crying a little when we talked about what Jack said about putting him up over her and how it touched his heart.

BB Voice: Jee, please stop playing with your microphone.

Okay, says Jee.

Rob saying Ali is a f'n sneak.

Jee says that is the plan...we make her think she is with us.

Rob says the only way Erika will not leave is if she wins the veto.

Asks what he talked to Jun about.

Jee tells her who they are planning to put up. And that they would put Jun up if they get the veto. Just told her. Good, says Rob.

Tells Rob that Jun told him Rob might turn on him in the future. Rob says he would never turn on Jee. Jee says he is just saying that is what people have been saying all along to try to break them up.

Now tells Rob what Jack said about Justin and Rob taking Jee to the finals and then getting rid of him. Then tells him Jack wanting him to go to the final four with them..not Rob, but Jee.


(lost RP)

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Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:55 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They are still telling each other how much they respect one another. Jack is complimenting Jee on how well he through the ball and Jee is saying how much is luck. They will talk after twist and noms. Jack leaves.

Jun comes in.

Jun says she could hear almost everything. He didn't care if they hear. Jun pushes him if he wants to put up Jack & Ali and he gets angry telling her not to push him. He wants to put up Jack & Erika. She says put up Ali and he'll have the house liking him on both sides.

He is really standing up to her and telling her that she is NOT going to convince him to do other than what he wants. She says Robt influences him and he dismisses it but they've decided they want Erika out because she is the stronger player. Jun is OK with them.

Jun asks about what he told Ali and says they know something about about a backdoor plan. He says what backdoor plan?! He tells her not to think he has alliance w/Ali.

Jun is bad-mouthing Ali. They are talking rather testy w/one another. Jun says Ali might tell E. Jee says he thinks Ali believes they are in alliance but not really.

Jee is warning Jun not to open her mouth to Jack & Erika. He tells her to be careful what she says. He tells her if she "fs" him over he will do the same to her and don't think he won't. She tells him to calm down.

Jee says things and Jun gets testy and he says he's messing w/her. He wants to break up the alliance of Jack & E.

Jee is telling Jun that Rob said the final 3 will be him and the two of them. Jun warns him to be careful of Rob.

They have been whispering a lot and I've missed a lot. Jun wants to know if he let Jack know they're after Erika and he says he's not stupid!

He tells Jun he trusts her but she has to watch her mouth. Jun checking his treats and sees icecream and Jee says shes eaten too much icecream. She says he hasnt. She leaves.

Robert comes in and asks how it went. Jee says he used what Justin said and has convinced Ali she is part of them. Rob says that's great.

Goes over what he said to Jack & Erika.
Jee says he told Jack he couldn't say who he would put up if veto is used. He's not certain and won't reveal it esp. with the twist coming.

Rob asks if Erika offered him anything and Jee says no. Rob says that's great.

Talking about E & Jack.

BB - Jee, please stop playing w/your microphone!!

The plan is to try to get Erika out and make Ali think they are with her. If E gets veto, they'll have to put Jun up, but in that case Jack will have to go.

Jee is telling Rob about how Jun has always been saying that Rob may turn against him. Rob says, NO WAY !

He is telling Robert that Jack & Erika were telling him that Justin & Robt would drop him in the finals and they wanted to get him w/them and get Rob out.

Rob is saying the last person Erika and crew would want in finals is Jee because no one could win against him. So she's full of it telling him they want him. Rob is calling E names.

Rob says he shouldn't tell Jun about wanting E out, but Jee says he told her if she "f's" him he will put her up and get her out.

Jee mentions it's getting late and have food comp.

Rob loves that Ali believes they trust her and wont put her up. Ali knows not to believe they will use veto to put her up and get her out and not to listen to the girls.

Rob says they need to concentrate this week on getting Erika out. Will worry about others later. Jun better not use veto and Jee says he already warned her.

(Time out and have missed alot since they talk fast.)

Rob says he's the only one who really wants to be in finals with Jee. None of the others want to. Hopefully they will get to final 3 w/Jun and then kick her out.

Rob is talking like they will win all and when they win HOH next week..and.......... (blah blah)

They're going to use Ali for as long as they can and then she's out. (It almost seems like they keep switching between going to final 3 w/Ali and then Jun, but they talk so fast, I'm missing a lot. I did actually hear them say they would take Jun but their continuing conversation has been confusing.)

Looking and Jees "treats" and now snacking.

Watcher

Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 12:56 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Rob says whatever...to be sure that Jun doesn't tell Erika that she is going...then Erika would be up our a**.

Jee says Jun said she would do whatever he wanted her to do...that's how much control he has.

Rob says he is glad they have Ali on their side right now.

For this week, Rob says we have to concentrate on getting Erika out. If Jun gets the veto, she can't use it...tell her. Jee says he already told her. She basically has agreed to that.

Rob says what he is excited about if it goes well...if they get Erika out, they are looking good for next week. There is not one person in the house who wants to go in the finals with you, but me and I WANT to go in the finals with you.

Tells Rob they are looking good. They are so much favored, they are going to win this again.

Jee says be careful...Jun told me you can hear stuff out there that we are saying. YOu don't want to broadcast that Erika is going this week.

Whispering now. Rob says they are looking so good this week. He is really liking it. He can't believe Jee got HOH this week...this is so big.

Jee says any player now is good player, but what we have to do is break up that alliance.

Now they have gotten off bed and eating some cookies. Jee says his "girl" knows he likes these cookies so she got them for him.

Rob leaves to go get milk. Jee says he is going to go have a cigarette outside.

(sorry, I missed some of conversation...couldn't keep up)