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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Big Brother IV - July 2003 Live Feed Archives: July 17, 2003 - Day 13 - Food Challenge - Erika & Michelle nominated: Archive through July 17, 2003

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika is nominated as well.

Jee going over everything with Michelle - says Dana will go if Erika gets out of the nominations.

Bearstuff

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:52 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee speaking w/ MIchelle in the HOH. He said that she is staying in the game. And even if David or Jack get the veto they will not use it to pull Erika off!

Michelle and Erika are up!

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:53 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Now Jee is simply re-assuring Michelle - the same stuff he said earlier to everyone else.

Michelle is hurt - feels she was used as a pawn.


Jee - it happened to me, will happen to everyone eventually.

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Dallasbbfan

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:55 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
M having hard time. Feels like she being used. Jee says everyone will be a pawn at some time. Again saying he has thought of everything and he wants her to be there. Says she may feel spiteful but he says she will not be leaving. Jee told her if she wins veto she should pull herself off. Worse case would be Erica using it then Dana would go up. If M uses it Dana will still go up.

J wants M to promise she won't say anything to Dana. M says D scares her.

J saying that D talks about everyone behind their back and she isn't reliable.

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:58 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee "believe me when I am telling you, I do care for you, I want you to stay..."

Jee "you understand what I am saying??" (he has said this a million times)

Jee - Dana cannot know this

Jee - Dana is dangerous

Michelle knows this....

Jee seems to be talking about all the reasons Dana will go if she replaces Erika.

Jee says if he put up Dana and Erika then one would have stayed and he would have an enemy in the house. So he had to nominate someone that was safe.

Michelle wonders why he could not have nominated a guy.

Jee doesn't answer this - just goes back to talk about how he felt last week, that no one went to bat for him last week, and he has gone to bat for her.

He says he could not put up a guy because he would break his alliance... (ed - umm Dave? Jack?)

Michelle - I understand, its just gonna make me strnger in the end.

Grannyg

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 06:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
have audio but video is horrible

Ali, ericka, and Jun are now in the kitchen. Jee in room by himself.

video is freeze framing.

Ericka is in turtle room by herself.

LR is rest of group

cam3 is michelle and jee

michelle is telling jee how bad she feels. Jee has done everything he can about keeping her in the house. He intends for her to stay. He had talked to dave and jack and they told him they would not pull ericka off.

jee tells her that if ericka gets pulled off dana is up and everyone wants her out. jee says she has to believe him that he has thought all of this out and no one will vote her out.

michelle stills doesn't understand why she has to be the pawn. jee ask her does she understand what he is saying and she says yes.

he is telling her the truth and he will go back to dave and jack and make sure that she gets to stay. jee understands that if she gets the veto he fully understands her pulling herself out. either ericka or dana is out not her.

jee has tried to think of every possiblity and this is the best. michelle says that dana scares her. jee is telling her that dana talks about everyone.

jee is telling her how dana has flipped on everything. that's why michelle doesn't understand why she is up and not dana. jee thought putting michelle up was the safest thing because no one wants her to go.

jee has said a million times "do you know what I'm saying?" and michelle has said a million time "i know"

jee said he has been where she is and he understands how she is feeling. he has been over to the "dark side" to make sure that she won't be out. he has tried his best to make sure things are ok.

jee said it's up to her how she reacts to all of this. michelle says it's hard for her right now. Jee says she has to know that she is gonna be safe and this is gonna help her grow up a lot.

Dallasbbfan

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Feed 2 shows Jun & Erica cooking dinner. Shades down so must be on lock down. Not much conversation. Switching to F1 same thing. Ali in K now.
A whispering but can't here it. Talking about someone giving her a dirty look because she didn't get something.

A waiting to be called into the DR. Can hear rest of HGs talking in background. Believe they are all in LR but no cam on them.

Now cam switches there as if it heard me!

Oops, back to K (I hate a tease)

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:01 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee is just re re re re re hashing everything......

(ed - sorry - not worth it to me to re-type the same stuff over and over again)

Jee - whichever way it goes it will be unanimous - everyone will vote to evict whomever is against her.

Jee - basically I put myself on the line by saying how much I thought of you.

Jee apparently reveled his reasons in the nominations - why he nominated michelle - the best fit to get Erika out.

(ed - have to gooooo - sorry!!)

Dallasbbfan

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:04 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Those that can eat heading to table for supper. Just gen convo. I'll post if anything that matters is said.

Grannyg

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:08 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali, ericka, jun in kitchen.

making tea. just chit chat. and not much else

robert is now in there with jee and michelle telling her how he went and made deals with the dark side to secure her being in the house.

nothing personal. it's all gonna happen to the best of us. it will happen to everyone in the house. dana now in HOH. talk about the box getting smaller

dana cannot believe she didn't win food. they are now talking about michelle talking to ericka. dana said ericka was mad that they chose michelle to get to her.

jee once again tells michelle he is sorry and he hopes she doesn't hold it against him. she said she knows he is. jee asks for a hug and michelle doesn't at first. jee says she doesn't have to if she doens't want to and she said "no, she wants to" and gives him a hug.

jee said his nerves are shot. how tuff HOH is and dana says she knows. she said it all depends on the week.

they are trying to get jee to go eat. and they go out of HOH. dana wants to know doesn michelle want to go outside or stay in the house. they are sitting in the bed outside of HOH.

listening will post if anything happens

Konamouse

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:10 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Michelle is talking to Jee in the HOH.
He is trying to reassure her that he will do everything possible to keep her in the house, that he did not lie to her, he intends for her to stay. How he thought things out, even if Dave or Jack get Veto (that they wouldn't pull out Erika).
Worse case scenario, if Erika gets Veto and pulls herself out, then Dana will go up against Michelle and that Dana will get voted out.

M: She tries to be my best friend, but I know that Dana is a threat to me.
J: She is a threat to everyone. Dana has no chance of staying in if she is put up in Erika's spot (if Erika gets Veto).
He also assures her that Jack & Dave have her back.
M: I'm upset at being used as a pawn.
J: It was done to me, I understand. Even if I didn't do it, eventually someone else would.

He is reminding her that this is a game, and eventually she would have been put up anyway. He acknowledges that she might hold him in spite. And if she gets Veto, he would understand pulling herself out "that is what you should do". If she did use it, "then Dana goes up against Erika and whomever goes out, goes out."

J: You have to promise me that you won't tell Dana.
M: agrees strongly, Dana scares her.
J: You cannot believe a word she says, she talks behind our backs. People are coming to me and telling me that "Dana has flipped on this, and flipped on that". And how she "barges" into the HOH.
Michelle thought that Jee might go after Dana first.
Jee assures her that everyone loves her (Michelle) and how he couldn't put Dana up initially (because of the chance she could get the Veto). Again, how much he thought it out and how much he cares for her, and that she won't be voted out (Michelle).
M: You could have done the same thing using one of the boys.
J: I know how you feel, but it was worse last week, because no one guarenteed me anything.
If I put a boy up, then someone would accuse me of breaking an alliance and no one would trust me. You're your own person, you can believe what you want to believe, I'm really sorry.
M: I understand. It's going to get harder in the end.
J: You know you are going to be safe... you have to play the game yourself....he points out that people might see her as "weak" if she keeps moping about this. "It's going to happen to every single one of us. It could happen to me next week." He claims to have closed every loophole to keep her in the house. And that he has talked to Jack & Dave to keep them from pulling out Erika (if they win the veto).
But, again, if Erika gets pulled off, then Dana goes up. Either way, it will be unanimous for the other person, that Michelle will be safe no matter what. "I'm telling you the truth. I'm really sorry. It's nothing personal." He must have said some of this stuff during the nominations that Michelle was the "best fit against her (Erika)".
M: says she was trying not to cry all day, she knew before the ceremony that she was going up.
J: "everyone has your back, and you know that".
M: "I dunno if it is because I was nominated, or I was hurt" (regarding her crying).
J: He was hurt to be put up against someone as nice as Amanda, that he was feeling worse than Michelle is feeling now. Reminds her (again) that everyone will have to go through this.

Robert comes in (he knocked first).
R: Supports Jee's position, that Michelle has nothing to worry about.
(whispering)
J: "I made deals to keep you safe". It's nothing personal. I don't want to hurt anyone in this house, but eventually it will happen to everyone in this house. Let's be strong about this, you are not going home.
R: Agrees.

Knock knock
Dana comes in, sits down in the orange chair.

Knock knock, Ali announces dinner.

D: Dude, I fu(.ing wish I had won food.
M: "Erika came to me, Michelle, don't take it personally, it's all against me."
D: (says something derogatory about Erika)
R: Everyone knows she is going (Erika).
BB asks them not to lay on their microphones (especially Robert).
R: when is veto?
D: Veto is probably Friday.

Jee asks to get a hug from Michelle (she agrees).
D: "I wish we won so bad."
M: "Why don't you go eat Jee?"
J: "I'm not hungry"
Robert & Dana push him to go and eat.
J: "This whole HOH thing is really tough.
D: "I can imagine. I know it gets harder the longer but it might get easier if things happen to put up certain people.
M: "Go eat, come on."
D: "We're the only girls not eating, so we have to be miserable together. Do you want to stay in here or go outside?" (to Michelle)

They leave HOH and are sitting out in the hallway outside the DR. More complaining about not being able to eat. Dana will ask if they can have English Muffins. Dana is "so mad at myself" Heavy sigh.
M: "we can't even have to little chocolates".
D: "can't have ice cream, can't have M&M, can't have anything to drink. Oh my ghod, the smell is killing me. We should have fixed the teams better."
M: "I thought we had a good team".
D: agreed.

posting

Dallasbbfan

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:11 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Roert & Dana now in HOH with J and M. He is stilllll apologizing. Others not saying anything. M and J hug. J sprawls out on bed. Dana in chair resting chin on hands on nom box. Jee says HOH very stressful. D says lot harder when less people in house because you are closer to them. All leave HOH. J to table to eat. M and D to blue room. Says Dave and Nate went to hottub. D mad at herself because they can't eat. Wonder if they can have English muffins.
D says they can't even have an M&M, no ice cream, not even anything to drink. The smell is killing her.

They both thought they had a good team. D thought for sure they would win it. Say week should go by fast.

Switched to the staying power of M's make up. Then back to food. Decide to try to make PBJ but think they need to wait until others finish. Going outside.

Dallasbbfan

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:14 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Last post for me tonight.

M outside still looking sad. Sitting by herself. D says at least they don't have to do dishes this week.

F4 D and E sitting in round chairs. Going to play Rummy.

Looks like no excitement for a while. Night all!

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:22 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
One post - but I cannot stay...

Jee just explained that there was a problem with the key box - the keys would not go in the right way. Thus a technical difficulty.

Apparently the HGs had to stay outside while Jee was in the Diary room trying to get it to work.

The HGs were told there were technical difficulties - they thought it was camera problems - not a problem with the box.

(ed - thats it - I'm out again)

Grannyg

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:27 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
all four cams on kitchen and the group that can eat are eating talking about the food competion.

justin saying how long michelle stood looking at the board and trying to decide what food to pick.

Philamom

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Feed 1 on Erika, Alison, Jun, Jack, Justin, Jee eating.

Erika: I only feel bad for some people (about not being able to eat). Other people I personally don't give a sh** about.

Jack: Have something to eat, Jee. Sit and eat with the winning team

Some dinner conversation.

Justin: It's like all of the sudden the house turns on each other .. not that that's the case

Erika: in a way it is

Switch to outside. Robert and Nate talking.

Robert: Everyone is for it ... even Jun

Nate: Man, Robert, this is rough ... this is gonna be so rough

Rob: We just can't piss anybody off

Nate: Dana is freaking out. She's already lost it

Rob: I caught her lying about me ... that's it

(more Dana-bashing, didn't get all of it ... nothing new)

Rob: Dana even thought that me and Erika had an alliance! (disbelief in Robert's voice)

N: that is so crazy

R: when she told me that, I was like ... and you know, she's using poor Jun. She said to me, we gotta get Jun

Nate: She was out here every five minutes, running in ... where's everybody at? What are they saying?

(Lost feed)

Nate: I swear I won't lose another food competition ... I don't care what it takes, I'll eat f***ing chicken liver til i die (ed ... get over it, Nathan)

Robert: this is the part of the show you don't know about ... they're having dinner and we're out here

Rob: so it's Jun's birthday and we can't do anything. That's gonna suck

Female (Michelle?): When's her birthday?

Nate sitting in hammock by himself, looking rather annoyed

Back at kitchen table with the eaters. General chit-chat about the food competition, need for protein, and so on.

Grannyg

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:32 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
talking about the stress of HOH. justin said it was stressful for all of them. jee said the whole house was stressful.

jee suggest that they delegate chores. like cleaning the bathroom. jee says he will clean the bathroom all week long. Ali says to let a girl to that and jun said "why". ali thinks they won't clean good. one of the guys said they were not the cleanest in the world.

jee likes for things to be the way they should be. not a neatness freek but he does like for things to be put back the way they were.

(other puter is ready for me to try to boot on again. so i'm out of here)

Aremid

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 07:59 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Michelle is in the bed
Female - What are you thinking about?
Mi- daydreaming
Dana says maybe they will play spades later if she wants
Camera moves outside
long shot of the yard
Male asks Jun? if she had a taco, she tells them she did and what was on it
Switched cameras, show Robert, Ali, and Jun- Jun is doing Robert's nail
Jun - pretty confident that she's not
Robert - who
Jun - that she's not going anywhere
Jun ....put someone else up and save Erica
(Jun is talking very low)
Jun - how do we know what kind of competition is coming...at the same time...to get her off
( plane)
Jun - he is not going to want to lose a member of the dark side either...the power to put a person up if there is a veto
Robert...Dana....( saying something relating to Dana)
Jun - ummumm
Nathan comes over and sits down
Jun says she is going to get her cuticle cutter, and then someone says that men get this done more than women
Robert - They do?
Jun - yes
They mention Ali eating tacos, and she said they weren't good - Nathan thinks she is just saying that...and then Erica not eating meat is mentioned
Switching Feeds
Camera 4 on the same people
Camera 1 on them too
Just general talk

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Cam1

Jun seems to be giving a manicure to Nathan ... Alison nearby

Jun comments that she can't believe how annoying Dana has suddenly become.

Jun doesn't think they had enough gunk in the bucket during the challenge to get the Hot Tub key - she thinks they wanted them to have it.

Michelle gets in hot tub - robert is there - Jack said the temp was something like 104

Michelle says she needed something to do - since she can't eat.

can't hear the convo over the bubbles - switching feeds..

Aremid

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:20 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Dana and Mi are in the bedroom talking about shrimp scampi
Mi - at least we know we have that coming in 6 days...did you drink water
Mi - did you eat icecream last night
Dana and Mi say no
They say they have to do laundry tomorrow
Mi - you don't get full from this
Dana - I know , maybe if you eat three in a row
Mi...its so weird...never met anyone from Oklahoma
Dana - is someone in bed over there
MI - don't know
Dana - hearing things from over here
Mi...that side
Dana - good thing they miss us uh, can't live without us
Mi - there is something going on in the ? back here ( must mean in the walls)

Dana - I really miss my friends at home
Mi - I really miss my family

Dana - so quiet...Oh my God...but you know what feels good, I'm not looking at people whispering at each other...I don't care what they are talking about out there
Mi - I don't ever care

Jee comes in and wants to know what they are doing
Mi - Just sitting here
Jee tries to get them to get up and come out
Dana says she is about asleep
Mi says she might come out - at least she won't be staring at the walls
Dana says she will be up at 2 in the morning

Outside Jun is doing Nathan's fingernails
Jun asks someone to bring her a paper towel on her way out - for Nathan, not for her

They talk about previous competitions, and Jun says she thinks they would have gotten the hottub anyway, because they want to see us in it

Loud plane - Jun is talking about somebody (maybe Erica) coming up and saying What's The deal?

The temp in the hottub is 103
Female - too hot for my blood
Nathan had already said it was too hot for him to get in
BB - Jun, please go to the DR

In the hottub, Mi says you can't look forward to having dinner

(No strategy talk at this time)

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:21 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
only 2 real feeds - (duplicates) - all on hot tub - dave has joined them.

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:30 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Alison, Jun and Nathan discussing the key order...

Alison was 1st, Nathan 2nd, Jun last......

Jun was mad at him for doing that.

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:34 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Apparently the HGs will be making ty-dye shirts (sp) - sorry if thats old news.

Alison is working on them. Goes inside to get some of the stuff they need.

all 4 feeds identical for a minute.

Now 2 & 2 - but still all focused on Nathan and Jun - and David is working out a little.

Very little conversation

Ryn

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:41 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Nathan and Dana in the red room - Dana in bed. Nathan asks if she is ok - she says yeah - she says she just passed out for a little while.

Nathan - "get off me camera"

he is getting ready to go to the hot tub.

now cam outside - Alison brings out the tye die stuff - asks who wants to do them

Several join in - they need to soak them in tap water and ring dry.

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Aremid

Thursday, July 17, 2003 - 08:42 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Ali - she's got little more of a problem that we do
Jun - trying to teach me a lesson, I'll knock him out
Nathan - he put me third
Jun - he said from my observance
Male - I hate you, you hate me
They talk about tie-dye
Ali - no problem, I can do that
Male - you guys wanta do tie-dye
Nathan - that one can be pinky and that can be stinky

Alison reads direction
Justin goes over the directions with Alison
Ali - have you done this stuff before
Justin - No , I just read it before we did evictions - nominations

Jun tells Nathan to let his toes dry before he gets in the hottub
Nathan - you're not going to do the cuticle thing
Jun - not on your toes, you're a little girl
Nathan - I'm just enjoying it
Jun continues to work on the toes

Camera moves inside to the bedroom, Jun and David are asking Dana if she is ok, she says she has a headache, but she is fine

Camera moves back outside
They have the T-shirts out getting ready to soak them

They are discussing Sizes and trying them on - some of them look small

They have to soak them in the hot water and then wring dry