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TV ClubHouse: Archive: Big Brother IV - August 2003 Live Feed Archives: August 14, 2003 - Day 41 - Erika HoH - Food Comp : Archive through August 14, 2003

Robinyyes

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
back to sleeping cage dwellers....

Ryn

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:07 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Cam 1 - Erika and Jack discussing noms - she wants to talk to Robert later.

I think Erika is suggesting options with Robert - going to him and getting him to promise not to nominate Jack/Erica next week. Get him to put up Jun/Ali.

The veto is becoming a problem, hard to make promises now because too few people left....

Ryn

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:13 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack and Erika now discussing that they think Justin knew what was going on ast night - they were not sure how much he was sleeping on the hammock and how much he was watching/listening to (ed - having watched it - he was awake right before Jack/Jee/Ali all quit).

These two are just going through different options..... its all planning for next week. They assume this week that Justin is gone.

Jack now thinks that maybe they do not need to deal with Robert - also not sure how loyal Jee will be with Robert with Justin gone.

I think Jack is implying that making a deal with Robert might tick off Jee/Alison.....and maybe no need to deal with him and just pick him off next.

Jack says Alison will feel robert will come at her if he gets hoh....

(ed - ok - making my head hurt like Jee3 a couple weeks ago - can't type..... nothing of substance - nothing solid - just "what if's)

Robinyyes

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
jack points out to erica that just is gone unless he is veto'ed off in which case jee will become the pawn and rob will go. but they are talking fast and coming up with lots of options..sorry

Ryn

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack realizes by telling Jee he is "unbeatable" (last night) he is telling him that they will not take him far either. he says 'we need to stop telling him that.'

Jack also feels Jun is in it for the 50k.

Jack knows that they can't have anyone from the Jee3/Jun alliance in the final 2 because of the voting (they will lose if anyone from the other side makes it if they vote as they promised to a couple weeks ago.)

Jack wants it to be Jack/Ali/Erika/Jun in the final 4.

Kaili

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack says it needs to be "me, you, Jun, and Alison in the final four, then it's going to get really hairy. We'll have to beat both of them"

Erika says Ali can't beat Jun if those two are the final two. Erika says Ali knows she can't win if she doesn't have Erika and Jack.

Erika says she (Ali) won't be able to compete if she's HOH and takes out Jun. Jack says it's crucial they get the last HOH. He says the immediate problem is Justin's veto. Erika doesn't think he'll get it- says they're making them more difficult to get.

One of them also said there will probably be a change in the HOH format before the end.

Jack says they have to prevent Alison swinging over to them if Justin gets the veto- they'll use the argument of the finals to keep her with them.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack and Erika are plotting in the tortoise room, realizing that veto can screw up their promises.

They think they are fine with everyone else but need to make a deal with Robert.. that somehow if Robert wouldn't get/use veto, he wouldn't put them up but somehow they also say if Justin is vetoed off, Robert will go.

Jack says if we make a deal with Robert, Robert will tell Jee of the deal and Jee and Jun will know that one of them's going up. They say something about Robert putting up Ali with Jee or Jun as a pawn.. Erika quickly says Jun as the pawn.

(ed. when you finally get the power you finally realize that it isn't all that simple and straightforward)

Jack says Erika's offer to Robert will help Jack and Erika for that next contest but Jack thinks Robert will fall apart.

Jack thinks Jee will stick with them (Jack says Jee feels betrayed) but he's so loyal. Have to talk to Jee, see how Jee feels.

Jack says Ali is going to know that Robert would come at Ali and maybe Jun

Deal is only good for us in terms of recruiting Jee and keeping Jee and Jun with us.. may not be a good deal for us.

Erika sighs..

Jack says since we are "flushed with victory and tired" don't have to make the deal with Robert today.

Jack says it is a tough decision, Erika's idea is very sound in terms of protecting Jack and Erika.

At the point, we were all together last night but Ali had to protect us.. if we make a deal with Robert, Ali will know she has to fight like crazy and if she gets it she'll put up Robert and Jun.

Then they question if Ali would put up Robert.

Jack says Jee and Jun and Ali might feel betrayed if Jack and Erika scratch out a deal with Robert
(ed. you THINK?)

Jack wants Justin, then Robert in that order, but can't if we have a deal with Robert.

Erika says Jee is gonna fight like hell* to get it (HOH). Might put up Ali and me (Jack) as a pawn. Then veto comes into play and I'm vulnerable again.

Jack says it is possible we'll have to continue to contend with Justin if he gets the veto tomorrow.. we've discussed this with Jee, so then we vote Robert out with Jee as pawn.. then fight with Jee and Robert and Jun against Ali, you and I.

Erika says we are back to square one. They fear pissing off Ali.. so won't.

Jack says Ali was a loose cannon last night in that cage.. they wanted her to act hurt or something, Jack says Ali wanted the spotlight on her, all the cameras and attention.

Jack says Ali had to pee early or she'd have been out.

Erika says Ali is paranoid, crazy.. she had to stay until Jee left and then bugged Erika by asking if she would put her up.

Jack and Erika are really irritated that loose cannon Ali didn't comply totally with their plan, even tho Erika admits that Ali might have worried about throwing it in front of Justin, like Jee.

Jack talks of if Justin vetoes himself off could boot Ali.

But no.. they the Jee-3 would be intact and they'd lose Ali.

Jack and Erika feel that they MUST keep Ali in final three, they feel that ANYONE ELSE would beat them because of DANA.

So they don't like it but feel they must protect Ali at all costs.

Jack says Ali will make a deal with Justin.. Erika can't compete, Ali has no regard for Jack.

Jack talking about deal with Robert, but Justin might be gone.

..

Justin wins veto tomorrow, we'll vote Robert off; Jee is pawn.

Problem would be Justin and Ali allied with Jee with them..

Erika says Ali knows she has to be in final with one of them or she cannot win. Erika says Dana was good for that because she knows she cannot win without them.

Jack says Ali had two or three mood swings, big ones, in the cage.

Erika thinks Ali will be more focussed when Justin is gone.

Jack points out that last night by telling Jee no one can beat Jee in the finals, they've planted the seed that Jack and Erika cannot let Jee into the finals (ed. duh, I said that last night).

Jack tells Erika they cannot tell Jee he can beat anyone after this, hoping he'll forget it.

Jack says he thinks Jun is playing for second place, knowing that no one respects her to win.

Jack says in the deep recesses of Jee's mind he might know he could win, but hasn't grasped ..

Jack says Erika told Jee that no way would those two guys take him to the finals. Jack says then he thought shouldn't stoke that fire too much.

Erika says Jee is too screwed up right now to think of that.

Jack says we need Jee and Jun today. Erika says when? Need Jee or Jun to work with us on Justin and Robert but at some point if Jun sees that she's gonna want to be in final four. We don't want Jee in a position in final four where he could win.. so we need Jun and Ali in final four.. then it gets really hairy.

Jack says Ali would like nothing better than to be in finals with Jun.. Erika says Ali cannot beat Jun in final two..

They repeat that they have to keep telling Ali that she cannot win without Jack or Erika in final..

Jack says Ali is going to want to go into final with me.. you'll beat her (ed. think Jack would beat her too)

Erika says if Ali is HOH and takes out Jun, Ali can't compete.. then she realizes that at that point, one can get HOH back to back.

Jack says they have to win that last HOH.

Jack snaps back into the here and now and says the main problem is veto. Erika says Justin won't get veto, they are getting harder.. Jjack seems to agree that vetoes will be like the Quoridor game where they can just gang up on Justin. Jack says they have to make sure Ali doesn't ally with Justin, using the argument about finals.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:41 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack asks if Erika wants Alison in HOH when people come to talk to ERika.. then mentions having Jack and Ali..

But maybe your style will be to do it alone.

Your style doesn't have to be like the amigos.. makes you look stronger anyway.

(says Jee-3 were weak apart)

So it sounds like Erika will meet anyone alone in HOH, she said she preferred that.

Jack says he doesn't have to be in there, we will talk before and after anyway.

Erika asks if she should make deals with Jun and Jee, at least Jun.

Jjack says we have a deal with Jun, not going to be a pawn or nominated.

Erika says next week.

Jack says need a deal with Jun AND Jee.. but today he's gonna be torn.

Any deal with Jun and JEE, Ali has know know about it as a package deal, Ali will be paranoid and leery.. has to be in finals with Ali, Jack says. Have to include Ali.

But problem is that as Nate said, Ali runs to Justin and blabs everything. Erika says I know. Jack says she's been doing it all along.

Your argument to her is about final three.. she is so emotional.. but if he doesn't get veto, Ali won't get near Justin.

Back to question about Jun.

Erika says you have to sit in on negotiations..

Says Ali may be fine, wants to be perceived as going both ways.

Jack says Justin could come in about veto.. he's gonna try to sacrifice Robert to save himself.. but Jack says Nate and Dave and Jack had deal to go so far and then go on own.

Erika tells Jack whan Jun told her that Robert was thinking to sacrifice himself for Justin.

They sneer at this idea.. two ways.

1. Robert would never sacrifice for anyone

or.

2. If Robert sacrificed, then it is because he is weak, has no patience, determination and stamina.

Erika says you saw Robert in that cage, very indicative of our personalities..

(ed. what about the migraine?)

Jack tells Erika she is superior mentally and physically, that Robert didn't participate while in the cage.

Jack says having Jun in there kept Robert in so long..

Jun was SHOCKED, they say.. Erika says she was SHOCKED, Jack says Jun was SHOCKED and Jack was SHOCKED that Jun was shocked.

Jun just doesn't realize what a windbag Robert is.

Kaili

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:43 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack asks if she wants Alison in the HOH room if people come to have talks with Erika. He wants to know if he and Alison should sit in on the talks. She wants to talk to everyone alone. Jack says that style makes her look stronger- the stooges couldn't do anything without being together.

he says he doesn't have to be in there because they'll talk about it before and after anyway.

She asks if she should make deals with Jun and Jee- Jack says they have a deal with Jun- she won't be a pawn or be nominated. Erika says "In terms of next week...."

Jack says they need a deal with both and Jee may be coming around- he'll be torn today. Any deal they make with them, Alison needs to know about it. He thinks she'll be paranoid- even if neither are in the room with Erika, she needs to be included. the problem is, as Nate said, she runs to Justin with the plans- she's been doing it all along. You're argument with her about the final 3 should be enough to keep her away from Justin.

Jack thinks Justin will come to Erika with a deal about the veto. Thinks he'll try to sacrafice Rob to save himself.

Erika sais Rob told Jun if he got the veto he would sacrafice himself- Jack says taht is so lame, he just wants to walk out the door.

Erika says when push comes to shove he probably won't. He doesn't have the stamina for this kind of game- that's why he's in the hot tub all day. She feels bad for Justin taht he's aligned with them- Justin said himself he was forced to align with them .Rob is smart but doesn't have the stamina and determination. The cage was indicative of our personalities.

Jack says it wasn't the physical- mentally he wouldn't talk to anyone

Erika- He couldn't deal with that.

Jack- I feared having Jun in there was the onlt thing keeping him there but he went out anyway

Erika- Jun and Jee were surprised

Jack- Jun was shocked, i was shocked taht she was shocked. Jun doesn't realize what a windbag he is (basically saying how Rob talks tough with the stooges but he isn't that tough)

Jack- if Justin gets the veto- we'll have to deal with him all over again- if he doesn't we vote him off and i don't think tehre's ear of Rob getting HOH- if Rob has this defeated attitude- there won't be a leader on the other side- it'll be Jee and he'll just compete hard- not provide a lot of leadership. You started off saying we should make a deal with Rob- that has a cozy look to it- it just won't affect how the others look at us- whether we can use them or not.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jun and Jee will be tested IF Justin gets the veto.. No one will fear Robert in HOH. Robert has defeatist attitude. Jee won't provide leadership, just compete hard.

You started off saying we should make a deal with Robert, that has a real cozy look to it but it will affect the way others look at us, whether we can use them or not.

(ed, now we'll see if Robert and Erika do have an alliance, don't think so, but..)

Jack says the deal with Robert..

wuld mean if he won HOH, Ali up with a pawn.. Ali knows that. That would be.. but we want Ali to go all the way with us.. if she's up.. she would go. If Robert had the votes, if she's put up with Jun, what does Jee do?

Erika says then he puts up Alison. Jack agrees.

Jack says he likes her idea but the argument against that is we are dealing with a weak guy..

Erika says Robert really wants to leave, so maybe without Justin Robert will crumble.

Erika says no deal with him.

Jack says no deal today, see where the veto falls, read some attitudes around here.

Erika wants to go thru it again

HOH cannot vote..

votes are Jack, Ali, Jee, Jun..

Erika would be the tiebreaker.

(Jack says they assured Jee of that).

Jack.. we vote Justin off and we don't have a deal with Robert.. and he gets it you and Ali and I are vulnerable.

If we do have a deal, Ali and Jun vulnerable.. but cannot trust Robert to keep his mouth shut.

And if Robert wanted to play the game and Justin is veto-proof..

Erika interrupts.. have to consider, at one point, we don't know if Ali and Jun will compete or will they throw it if they feel like they are in a good position.. so if we make that deal it will force them to compete and they won't be able to put us up anyway.

(ed. Erika seems to want to make a deal with Robert after all this talk)

Jack says if Robert is veto-proof, Robert may think why should he make a deal with them. Erika thinks she has the upper hand there, which Jack wouldn't.

Kaili

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:57 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack- a deal with Rob would be if he won HOH- put Ali up with a pawn. That would be a good- I don't know. If she's up, she would go. If she's up with Jun, what does Jee do?

Erika- He votes out Alison

Jack says negotiating with Rob is negotiating with a weak guy

Erika thinks once Justin is gone Rob will crumble- no deals we'll just have to wisk it

Jack says no deals today- we'll have to see where the veto falls

Erika- lets do the votes- you, Ali, Jee, Jun...
2 to 2 I'm tie breaker

jack- we vote Justin off and we don't have a deal with Rob- and he gets it- and you and Alison are vulnerable. If we had a deal with him Alison's voted off, then Jun

Erika laughs

Jack- the deal is only good for us if we can conceal it with Robert- we can't trust him to keep his mouth shut. If Rob were willing to play the game, if Justin is veto proof

Erika- consider this Jack, at a point I don't know if Ali, Jun will compete for it- it's at a point where they might throw it still- if we make taht deal it'll force them to compete and they won't be able to put us up anyway.

Jack- rob's gotta figure we're after Justin- if Justin is veto-proof Rob may not want to give up his oiptions next week- he won't think he neds a deal.

Erika says he doesn't know with me- it's not you- (implying Rob may think Erika is targeting him because it's Erika that's HOH, not Jack)

Jack- I hadn't thought of taht- it's pretty good cover- it depends on how the others view it- where is Ali going to go with Justin gone
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Erika- she's forced to be with us, we have to cover our asses- she had no problem making deals behind our backs to not put them up

Jack- if Ali gets HOH next week- she puts up Rob and Jun (Erika says or Jee and Jun)-

Erika- she wants to get at Jun

Jack- Rob may hang around here longer than we think- what needs to happen is next week I need to win- we have to win all the way through from now on.

Erika- i'm just going to say me- you can't put me up- if you go up against anyone you can be the pawn again. I hate to do that but I might not be able to do a package deal.

Jack- the deal with Rob assumes he wins HOH- does he nominate me up against Alison?

Erika- Sh*t, Jack, my brain hurts. It's complicated. He might put you up against- well we're okay either way- Ali and Jun would be gone before you but then we'd lose both of them

Jack- we've gotta consider- Ali in the fianl three- if the deal is with you only and Rob puts me and Ali up and Ali gets the veto- he's nominate Jun or Jee

Erika says Jee would go, Jack safe either way but they'd be screwing themselves

Jack says they'll expect a package deal

Jack- we have to figure what Justin's going to come in there with - he knows he;s going to be nominated.- He may not try to do any negotiations until after the veto...

(timed out mid sentance)

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 10:58 am EditMoveDeleteIP
They don't mind sticking it to Ali, she didn't have any problem making deals behind Jack/Erika's back.. so if she gets HOH she knows she needs Jack and Erika.. she'd put up Robert and Jun or Jee and Jun..

They say Ali is emotional, wants to get out Jun..

Jack says well HE just has to win next week.

They laugh.

Erika says she will just say ME.. you cannot put ME up. That leaves Jack as a pawn, safer and may not piss Ali off.. may not be a package deal.

Erika says if you put anyone up against Jack, they are gone.

(Jee is up now..)

Erika says sh!t.. my brain hurts.. it is complicated they agree.

They keep coming back to Ali in final three, can't be Jun.. for the jury.

If the deal is with you only and Robert puts up Ali and Jack and Ali gets the veto and then he nominated Jun or Jee..

Jack sees her point in just saying ME.. not a package deal.. others will expect that.

Jee left the WC and is wending his way back to bed.

Jack thinks it was Robert or Jun (nope)

Jee crawls back into his bed.

Jack says first thing today, what's Justin going to offer. He knows we're gonna nominate him.

He may not try to do any negotiation until after the veto. Fruitless right now, he knows we are going to nominate him. Jack says he told him as much when he was trying to save himself the other night.

Jack says Justin came to the right conclusion, that Nate might go after him. Erika says she knew that.. when Nate has a vision he goes after it.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:01 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Erika says she's a different HOH than DANA, everyone went in Dana's room.. then she says "no one wants to come in with me, Dad"..

(ed. even Erika, she's in the desert room)

Erika says, so no deals?

Jack says we don't have to think about a deal with Robert until veto is settled. If Justin gets the veto then we are in a position.. don't want to be in a deal with Robert now, want to take him out if Justin gets the veto.

If we make a deal with Robert now, not to vote him out, Justin gets the veto, then we are stuck.

Jack says wait til after the veto.. that is tomorrow.. get a better feel about how Jee is feeling, is he accepting that his survival lies elsewhere than with Robert and Justin.

Kaili

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:02 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack- I advised Nate to break his agreement and go after him- the last thing Nate said was he was going to do that and go after him

Erika- Nate's the type of guy- when he has a vision he goes after it- I'm a different HOH than Dana was- nobody wants to come talk to me, Jack

Jack- it's a different chemistry in here- you're instincts are good, that's the first thing you thought of today- we don't have to think of a deal with Rob until the veto

Erika- why?

Jack- if Justin is vetoed, then we're in a position- we want to take him out if Justin gets the veto- don't want to make a deal with him yet. If he doesn't we make a deal with Rob and say they'll vote Justin out and Rob can't put them up next week- if Justin gets the veto we're stuck

They agree to wait until after the veto

Jack- by them we'll get a better feel of how Jee is feeling- about his survival- that it may lie elsewhere than with Robert and Justin.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:15 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack: Would Robert keep the agreement to not put us up?

Erika: Who knows.

Jack.. if Robert were more savvy, but then you're an ex so he may think you want to boot him out.
If he were more savvy he'd go for our agreement.

Erika says we don't know if he's ready to go or what his deal is.. maybe he would save Justin, Erika says she was like, WHAAT?

Jack says that's just crazy.

Erika says we HAVE to make the deal after the veto, will force Alison and Jun to compete next week.

Jack says they'll hear about it, come to us.

Jack says to tell Erika to keep his mouth shut.. Erika doesn't care, she doesn't trust either one of them (Ali and Jun), so why should I care? Why should we care?

Should we?

Jack says no.. what gets tricky.. with the appearance of caring..

Erika says, like Alison does??

They laugh.

Erika says they could play it off that Robert isn't going to get HOH anyway, so... not a big deal.

Jack says say no one gets the veto, and Justin tries to work a deal with Ali about the veto next week.. Justin and Ali on the block..

Erika says it comes back to me.. because Jun and Jack will vote out Justin. Erika says Ali is in a beautiful position this week, she has no choice.

Jun is up now, just saw her go thru into living room.

Jack says we thrashed that one.. and now back where you startet..

Jun pads into bathroom.

and back out.

Jack says you have a chore today, you have to pick the food teams.. you may.

Erika interrupts him and says sorry but should I make the deal just with me, would you be willing to go up as a pawn.

options.

Don't make a deal.

Make a deal with me and you, piss off Ali and Jun

Make a deal with just me.

Jack says the whole situation is how others view any association we have with Robert.

Erika says but Ali had a deal with Justin and Robert.

Erika says "hook a girl up, Jack" what should I do? Do I make a deal with Robert? Am I perceived as being a loose cannon, not protecting my alliance.

Jack says anyone would be surprised to see you make a one-on-one deal with Robert since we are allied, but.. we are together, but is a good idea in terms of power.. (to just protect Erika).. says Ali did the exact same thing last week.

Jack thinks that is a good idea, just Erika making the deal, thinks at first people might not believe Jack wasn't included, but you aren't Ali

Aha.. a view of the goody basket in the HOH awaiting Erika..

Erika just doesn't trust Ali and Jun to compete next week.

Jack says we have to keep telling Ali about finals.. to make her compete.. Erika says will that be enough. Jack doesn't know, Ali is so emotional.

Difficult decision and.. the think I like about the timing is we don't have to make it right now, continue to think it through, read attitude the next couple of days.

(ed.. go back to food comp, want to know who Jack wants to be weak :) )

If you have a deal with Robert by yourself, I don't feel threatened, but Ali.. knows Robert would put her up, thinks we cut her loose.

But so what?

Jun out of WC and back through house/

Jack says a deal with Robert shows our hand, contradicting ourselves.. the argument of us three in finals, she has to compete every week. Erika says Ali needs us. Jack says she needs us and we show her loyalty as far as we can.

See how it falls.

Ali's going to get real crazy again if Justin gets the veto.

Erika says cross that bridge when we come to it.

Kaili

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:18 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Jack asks Erika if Rob would keep the agreement- she doesn't know. Erika doesn't know how ready to go Rob is- if he would save Justin so he could go. She thinks they do have to make a deal after the veto to force everyone to compete next week. She hates to push them up against the wall, but this is a game.

Erika says she doesn't trust either one of them (Jun and Ali) so she doesn't care. Jack doesn't either. He says they have to put on the appearance of caring. Erika says- kind of like Alison does? and laughs.

She says they could play it off like Rob won't get HOH anyway- that they're just covering themselves.

Jack says suppose Justin tries to make a deal with Ali about the vote. Erika thinks it will always go back to het for a tie. Jun will vote out Justin and Jack will- Ali has no choice this week.

(audio went to sleepers for a little bit so I missed some)

Jun seems to be up- walking through house to the kitchen

Jack says Erika has to pick the food teams today- maybe she'll have to

Erika says sorry to go back to this but...asks if she should make a one on one deal with rob-would he be comfortable going up as a pawn? 3 options- no deal, make a deal with both of us and p*ss off Ali and Jun,m or I just make the deal

Erika doesn't know what to do- wants Jack to give her advice. She doesn't want to be seen as not protecting her alliance. Jack thinks they would be surprised if she made a one on one deal with Rob but it doesn't matter because they're in it together- Erika says Ali did the same thing last week. Jack doesn't think just her making a deal is a bad idea- he doesn't think anyone would believe she would do that at first because she's not Alison- could be good cover.

Erika says the only reason she makes the deal is she isn't sure Ali and Jun will compete next week and she can't compete- if Jee gets it then Jack will go out. They wonder if the final 3 argument with Ali will be enough to keep her with them- Jack says Ali is so emotional. He likes they don't have to make a decision right now- they have a few days to read people's attitudes.

Jack- if you have a deal with Rob by yourself I don't feel threatened but Ali knows Rob will put her up and she'll think we cut her loose. We're contradicting ourselves to tell Ali to be in final 3 with us then making a deal with Rob that guarantees she gets put up.

They think she needs them- now they say no deal. They'll see how it unfolds.

Jack- Ali's going to get crazy again- Justin will play her.

Erika- we'll have to cross that bridge when/if we come to it

Erika- we can still make the deal with Jun and Jee taht they can't come after us, I made a deal with Ali last night stepping out of the cage

Jack- perfect- she'll always know that the two of us will face her- she thinks she can always compete enough to slide in at the end

Erika- the question then is who do we take out next week- Robert or Jun?

Jack- good point

Erika- has to be Robert if you get it. If we make the deal with Jun...

Jack- if I win I put up Robert and who's the pawn

Erika- you have a tough week next week

Jack- tell Jee we're not going to vote him off

Erika- I hope Ali..who will the votes be if you're HOH

Jack- you, ali, jun

Erika- sweet, we're good. My brain hurts.

***Gotta go have lunch, I'm out***

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:19 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ERika says we can still make the deal with Jun and Jee that they can't come after us. Jack says right. And Erika made the deal with Ali in the cage. Jack says that was a good move. She will always know that the two of us will face her.. if she trusts us enough to get to F3, but Ali will think she can slide into F2 by competing.

Erika says now we have to decide who to take out next week, Robert or Jun?

after a pause, Erika says it obviously has to be Robert if YOU get it.. yes.. or no? if we make the deal with Jun.

Jack says if I win next week, I put up Robert and who's the pawn? Erika says you have a tough week, Jack.

Jack says maybe Jee?

Erika hopes that Ali.

Next week.. Jack HOH. votes Erika, Ali and Jun
so we are good to get Robert out.

Erika's brain hurts.

Erika says we can't just deal with numbers, have to deal with personalities and alliances.

Jack says we are running out of cover.

Erika says we ran out of cover last night, that's why we had to get it.

Jun is at porecam.

Kaili

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:20 am EditMoveDeleteIP
(Bottom feeds showing HOH room and Erika's stuff)

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:23 am EditMoveDeleteIP
CAm's scanning empty HOH with goodies, pics of dogs and a pink-flowered pillow. also a picture of women in black?

Various goodies.

Jack says there won't be communication between Ali and Jun..

Cameraman is very excited about HOH room :)

Jack again says have to use the final three to keep Ali..

Erika says Ali and Jun are afraid of each other so that will make them compete.

Soi no deals to day.

HOH robe is green.

Looks like She got two pillows, or at least cases.

And slippers too :)

Finally Erika leaves the turtle room.. talking to Jun

Jack now emreges too.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:27 am EditMoveDeleteIP
well, that was emerges..

Erika goes outside and jack quickly follows.. under the guise of putting up outside shades. ERika says what was negotiated in the cage last night pretty much was what would have happened today.

FOTH!

Jun deealing with detritus of last night's food.

Erika's HOH rose is white, with fern and baby's breath

Erika comes in and starts cleaning too, has sunglasses on.

Jun says it is 11:30, yawning.

Asks if they let Erika in? Done with room??

The cameraman is SO excited.

Erika runs for her key!!

But then she stops to brush her teeth, in sunglasses of course.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:29 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Now.. she's going to see if she can go in, Jack follows Erika.. she says nope.

huh.

(wonder if BB requires whole house to be around when HOH is first opened so they can get the shot of who is sincere and who isn't regarding goodies?)

Jun freshening toenail polish.

Jack at sink.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:32 am EditMoveDeleteIP
ERika asks Jun what she's laughing at.. Jun says you. Last night, it was CRAZY.

Jun says she felt like the biggest snake, going so soon.

Jun says she's going to call Erika masochistic nostradamus (I think because Erika predicted the competition so well).

Erika is babbling about being glad Dave is gone, or she would have had to cut him loose, etc.

Jack making coffee, finally.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:45 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Missed some convo, out of room.

Jun talking to Erika, says Ali did the smartest thing, she didn't need to make a move right now.

Robert seems to be up going there to see if any Jee-3 convo.

Robert says Ali was snoring her f-ing a$$ off.. Ali whines that it was Jun.. Justin and Robert say, both, but it was you, Ali. They say Jee was too.
Ali whining more that it wasn't MEEEE.

This talk being a snore :) ...
hmm. Ali on bed looking very thoughtful. Perhaps listening to convo from other room?

Jack called to DR. Jack goes by Ali.

quadcam:

Jack washing dishes, Jun starting breakfast.. she earlier remarked that she was happy they were getting to do breakfast, need to get in some food before some go off food.

Ali out of bed, talking to Erika.. missed it or cam moved.

Alison please go to DR.

Robert and Justin go into storeroom for batteries.

They say Jee was snoring really loud.

Robert says at least it wasn't Nathan sleeping there. Robert asking about food competition, wants to eat lots now.

Ali at porecam with toothbrush

quad

No video, but audio.. Robert says to Jun they let us sleep in.. Jun says good thing.

Jack still washing dishes.

Jun says Ali was talking in her sleep, asking for a little more room ..

Robert says Ali was snoring her butt off. Jun says me too probably.

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 11:50 am EditMoveDeleteIP
Justin takes Ali's place at porecam, grooms his hair with water ..

Jun cooking, Erika pours coffee, (my neighbor cooking bacon? ACK.. like smellovideo)

Think Jun is making pancakes.

Looking outside for possible convo.

Ack.. closeup of Robert's face.. just sitting and drinking coffee.. he chugs the coffee and goes inside.

Says it is so hot.

Looks like Jee is back in bed, curled up.
Robert comes in and adjusts thermostat, leaves bedroom. Jee is stirred, not shaken and still buried in covers.

FOTH

Seamonkey

Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:02 pm EditMoveDeleteIP
Jee and Justin on couch, Justin shuffling cards. Jee says his back hurts bad.

Jee asks about loud snoring.. Justin says Jee's was the loudest he's heard but Ali was also snoring.

Jee says we'll talk.

Justin says we'll talk later.

Justin says Ali already talked to him..

Jee says it was not just physical.

They agree to talk later.

Erika is having hair issues with her mic. Walks by Justin and he just watches her go by.

Checking on Ali and Robert in bathroom.

Robert says he knew Ali could go to the end since you already peed.. says like you did!! Said after Jun and Ali peed.. he told Justin that (ed. he did indeed say that)

Ali says she wasn't going anywhere after she peed.

Jee comes in and starts brushing each tooth.

Ali says they'll all get called in to DR today.

Ali says she was so hungry when she got out.

Jee says last night he was called into DR, came out and everyone was asleep, so he just chilled with his beer and the wine, was up til 3am.

Justin called to DR.

quadcam:
Justin in DR.. yawning.. a male voice says we want to talk to you about the events of last night.. and dang FOTH.

Ali is AGAIN obsessing about Donny and hoping he's at football camp with no cable, didn't see "it".

(about bedmate).

heh.. Jee and Robert say, he didn't see it, but he will hear about it and it won't look good, you'll have to do a lot of explaining.

Ali says her mom and dad keep in contact with Donny.

Jee says he would have flipped out if it was his girlfriend.

Ali whines and asks if she was that bad. they assure her it is just a role.

All feeds watch Jee brush teeth. Can hear Ali ask Erika if she can get in HOH yet?